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Title: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 20, 2011, 04:19:16 PM
It seems at least a few people here are fans of the show. Since it is in the midseason break, thoughts on the show so far?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on June 20, 2011, 05:55:04 PM
I love what Steven Moffat has done with it! He's taking it in new and exciting directions while at the same time kept it true to its roots.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 20, 2011, 06:12:20 PM
Agreed. Matt Smith is right there with Peter Davison as my favorite doctor. This doctor has perhaps been the most manipulative of the bunch. He has this crazy man-boy front, but really he is always two steps ahead.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on June 20, 2011, 06:23:39 PM
Yeah, I love the bits where that comes through, like when he said, "Don't play games with me--don't ever, EVER think you're capable of that!" and "Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many." There's a dark, scary person deep inside our hero!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 21, 2011, 04:46:15 AM
Going forward, I'm intrigued by the rumors that Omega is coming back as the main villian. He would serve as a great parallel for this incarnation
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on June 21, 2011, 09:40:37 AM
Some criticism about the upcoming episode (personally, I think he's biased):

Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 21, 2011, 11:45:59 AM
LMAO I always thought Stalin was a trekkie

Seriously though, it'll be interesting to see how Hitler is portrayed. The guy they had for Nixon was terrible.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: VectorM on June 21, 2011, 01:07:32 PM
Some criticism about the upcoming episode (personally, I think he's biased):


The Hitler rage videos are a meme that NEVER gets old for me.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 21, 2011, 07:21:18 PM
Shane, what were your thoughts on the Russel T Davies era? The first season had some promise, but honestly after Eccelston left the show I thought there wasn't anything special besides Moffat's two episodes. The Master's return fell flat as did Davros showing up out of the blue for a 5 minute chat and nothing else.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on June 21, 2011, 08:54:08 PM
Oh come on! Midnight was a work of genius, Human Nature was a heart-jerker, and how could you NOT love Donna Noble?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 22, 2011, 08:19:13 AM
I'll give you Human Nature, but everything in Series 4 besides Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead was mediocre to me. More and more I revist SitL/FotD that show really was the prologue for the Moffat era. Fear factor turned up to 11, River Song's debut, and it really was the first time The Doctor just used his reputation to get by. When he says "I'm the Doctor, and you're in the biggest library in the Universe. Look me up" and the Vashtu Nerada just hightail it was way out of character at the time but makes sense now.

On another note, I hope the show isn't going into limbo or another "Specials" year in 2012. The BBC has said only 6-7 episodes are going to air in 2012. I hope its only because of the 2012 Olympics in London. It would be a shame for 2013 (50th anniversary) to pass without a big payoff.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on June 22, 2011, 08:51:00 AM
Actually the BBC hasn't said anything officially yet, it's just rumors flying.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 29, 2011, 10:27:23 PM
Rewatching The Impossible Astronaut, I'm certain that the "Doctor" Amy, Rory, and River originally meet is the Ganger Doctor. Still not sure if it's the original Doctor or River in the Astronaut suit.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on June 30, 2011, 05:59:41 AM
If he's a flesh avatar, why didn't he melt when he died?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 30, 2011, 10:53:16 AM
With all the emphasis placed on how the Ganger was the Doctor as well, could see some Timey Wimey answer about how since he was around for 200 years he literally became the Doctor.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on June 30, 2011, 04:13:02 PM
Okay, are you guys watching new episodes on the BBC, or is there some way to watch them online?

I thought at one time that it might be kinda cool to see a Star Trek/Doctor Who crossover where the Borg managed to assimilate Dalek technology, then used the power of that tech to more or less gorge themselves on all the strange and unusual tech in that universe. It'd be one step up from the season 5 finale, which was an alliance between all of those forces, with a total integration of those forces. Then again, I still have a bit of a soft spot for the Borg. Those were the boogeymen I grew up with. :-P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on June 30, 2011, 04:14:10 PM
BBC America is showing them, and they're available on iTunes as well. Although there are no new episodes until September.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on June 30, 2011, 04:27:18 PM
BBC America is showing them, and they're available on iTunes as well. Although there are no new episodes until September.

On the one hand, I love Doctor Who. On the other hand, iTunes and I share a mutual hatred of each other.

Choices...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 30, 2011, 05:10:37 PM
Not sure if this is against the rules or not, but this site is another handy place to get all the uncut episodes online

http://drwhostreaming.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on June 30, 2011, 05:31:51 PM
Nothing on it stands out as being illicit. Looks legit to me.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 01, 2011, 02:14:23 PM
Also, get the feeling the "Good Man" River kills is going to be Rory. Several times this season there have been times when you think a character is speaking to/about The Doctor and it is actually Rory.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 01, 2011, 04:58:13 PM
I've been thinking the same thing. I also think Rory and not The Doctor is the good man who goes to war.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 02, 2011, 08:44:44 PM
Thoughts/guesses for the 2nd half of the season?

Seems the Cybermen will factor in heavily in the 2nd half of the season. I'm sure they're not too thrilled about what happened at the start of A Good Man Goes To War. Also, the way Moffat was talking their redesign should've been more than taking off the Cybus logo. Perhaps we'll finally see a meeting of the Original series Cybermen and the "Pete's World" versions.

Still want to figure out just how The Silence and the Church/Headless Monks are linked.

 
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 04, 2011, 11:55:46 AM
Damn, BBC confirmed that we'll only be getting a half season in 2012. Hopefully this is just a compromise so we'll have a "Super" season to celebrate the 50th anniversary in 2013.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 04, 2011, 12:05:40 PM
Oh, well. I can fantasize about my dream match-up of The Doctor VS The Borg. =P

Lol. I know I've brought it up more than once, but I guess I just feel like that'd be an awesome show to watch, even if it was in some alternate universe and not in the canon one. I guess that's what happens when you take a kid who grew up on Star Trek and expose him to Doctor Who.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 04, 2011, 01:04:35 PM
Damn, BBC confirmed that we'll only be getting a half season in 2012. Hopefully this is just a compromise so we'll have a "Super" season to celebrate the 50th anniversary in 2013.

Steven Moffat just confirmed a full season in 2012 at Comic Con Paris. He also said that 2013 will be the best year to be a Doctor Who fan.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 04, 2011, 03:54:52 PM
http://blastr.com/2011/06/doctor-who-wont-be-back-a.php

http://www.kasterborous.com/2011/07/moffs-paris-comic-con-roundup/

Putting two and two together, get 7 episodes in 2012, and then in 2013 remainder of Season 7 and Season 8. Sounds good to me. Wonder where that will put Matt. Contract was for 3 years with options up to 5 years. 4 full seasons would make him the longest tenured Doctor of NuWho, would be an awesome way to end the 50th anniversary season with his regeneration at the end of the Christmas episode.

Also, any particular Multi-doctor stories you want to see?

1. Have a 2-3 episode arch with Paul McGann covering the Time War (also work in his regeneration into the 9th Doctor)

2. A young 1st doctor encounters the 11th

3. Would love to see a 4th/11th mash up as well. Explain Baker's aging by having his Time Lord essence trapped in a fob watch and 4th aging as a normal human being in the process.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 04, 2011, 04:49:26 PM
2. A young 1st doctor encounters the 11th

I'd love to see this, just to see who they end up casting as the 1st doctor. Also, do time lords age like normal humans do until their first regeneration? I mean, if it weren't for those flashbacks of the master as a child, I would've assumed time lords employed an entirely different mechanism for reproduction and maturation. In addition, the doctor's new forms seemed to be getting progressively younger (at least somewhat). At least, that's what it seemed like to me. At the very least, it'd be a good opportunity for them to expound on the mechanics of aging and regeneration for time lords.

3. Would love to see a 4th/11th mash up as well. Explain Baker's aging by having his Time Lord essence trapped in a fob watch and 4th aging as a normal human being in the process.

Best. Idea. Ever.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 06, 2011, 01:21:44 PM
Torchwood: Miracle Day debuts this Friday on Starz. Excited to see Captain Jack and company again. Too bad John Barrowman was busy filming this while Doctor Who was also filming.

If the British government keeps making cuts to the BBC, I wonder if Doctor Who is going to have a similar "American" reboot. Didn't BBC America pay for the first two episodes, or at least paid for the filming done in America?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 06, 2011, 01:27:36 PM
If the British government keeps making cuts to the BBC, I wonder if Doctor Who is going to have a similar "American" reboot. Didn't BBC America pay for the first two episodes, or at least paid for the filming done in America?

Don't give them any ideas. We might end up with another crappy TV movie.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 06, 2011, 02:14:05 PM
Don't give them any ideas. We might end up with another crappy TV movie.

Hah, yeah when the initial reports were that Torchwood would air on FOX I had some bad flashbacks. Although I still think Paul McGann was good as the 8th Doctor.

I'm a bit surprised Torchwood didn't end up on Showtime, considering their history with the BBC.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 06, 2011, 08:50:54 PM
Quit talking about NuWho for a minute, thoughts on the classic years?

Haven't watched any 1st Doctor story all the way through, sadly.

Only 2nd Doctor story I've seen all the way through is Tomb of the Cybermen and thought it was fantastic. If the Cyberman episode in the 2nd half of the season turns out to be a modern day remake I would love that.

I've seen 2 3rd doctor stories, The Three Doctors and Invasion of the Dinosaurs. Three Doctors is alright, although is sets a bad template other multi-doctor stories have followed. Invasion of the Dinosaurs though is an underrated story, IMO.

Seen plenty of 4 and 5. Genesis of the Daleks, Pyramids of Mars, and The Caves of Androzani all deserve their spots on Top 10 Who stories ever. However, one story I'm not really found of is City of Death. The whole Mona Lisa subplot went nowhere, amongst other things. Also, I think the 5th Doctor story Arc of Infinity is underrated.

I was introduced to DW because PBS was showing reruns of 6 and 7. At the time I remember them fondly but now, ehh. I do feel sorry for Collin Baker as it seems he really wanted to have better characters/stories but was hamstrung by retarded chimps in management. Trial of a Time Lord had potential, but was let down by everything that killed Doctor Who in the 80s.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 06, 2011, 09:02:11 PM
Haven't watched any 1st Doctor story all the way through, sadly.

See An Unearthly Child and The Daleks for history's sake; they're good stories. The Dalek Invasion of Earth is good, as is The Aztecs and The Time Meddler. I'm not a fan of the recons, but Marco Polo was such a good story I enjoyed watching it; I think it'd be fantastic if they could recover that one.

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Only 2nd Doctor story I've seen all the way through is Tomb of the Cybermen and thought it was fantastic.

Same here. I also liked The Mind Robber.

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I've seen 2 3rd doctor stories, The Three Doctors and Invasion of the Dinosaurs. Three Doctors is alright, although is sets a bad template other multi-doctor stories have followed. Invasion of the Dinosaurs though is an underrated story, IMO.

Inferno and The Daemons are awesome. I also love Frontier In Space, even though they screwed up the ending to try and make it tie in with Planet of the Daleks.

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Seen plenty of 4 and 5. Genesis of the Daleks, Pyramids of Mars, and The Caves of Androzani all deserve their spots on Top 10 Who stories ever.

The Sun Makers is the best IMO. And it comes out on DVD in the US in October!

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I do feel sorry for Collin Baker as it seems he really wanted to have better characters/stories but was hamstrung by retarded chimps in management.

I absolutely love the way Colin Baker handled the material he was given. Awesome actor.

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Trial of a Time Lord had potential, but was let down by everything that killed Doctor Who in the 80s.

And the unfortunate death of Robert Holmes. Oh to have seen his original ending! (Fucking Eric Saward...)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 07, 2011, 09:13:18 PM
I'll take that to heart. Bored, so here are my 10 favorite episodes of NuWho

1. Amy's Choice
2. The Doctor's Wife
3. Human Nature/Family of Blood
4. Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
5. Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone
6. End of Time Parts 1&2
7. The Eleventh Hour
8. Dalek
9. Empty Child/Doctor Dances
10. Vincent and The Doctor
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 25, 2011, 09:53:55 AM
ZOMG finally a trailer for the 2nd half of Season 6

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00jb05r
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 25, 2011, 10:20:04 AM
River wearing Kevarian's eye patch! Ooooh...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 25, 2011, 12:08:55 PM
Thoughts on the trailer

1. River with Kovarian's eyepatch, wow

2. Silence underwater, wth?

3. The Weeping Angels again? Just as I was singing Moffat's praises for not overusing any particular baddie...

4. At 0:36, are the beings that teleport Classic Series Cybermen?

5. I can already tell the Living Doll episode is going to be really creepy
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 25, 2011, 12:48:59 PM
4. At 0:36, are the beings that teleport Classic Series Cybermen?

They look astronaut-shaped to me. Or maybe they're the creatures/robots we see Amy and Rory fighting at 0:38.

Oh, but hey, Cyber-carnage at 0:44!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 26, 2011, 01:59:06 PM
Well, my girlfriend and I resolved to go through the entirety of the nuWho series thus far, including all the episodes I may have missed along the way. Some of my conclusions from watching/rewatching the show up through season 4:

1. Rose and Eccleston seemed to have barely any chemistry with each other, making the little hints and romantic subplots seem more forced than anything else.

2. That being said, Eccleston's doctor had a great deal of unused potential. I'm hoping they have a special miniseries or something that covers the time war. I want to see what influenced the doctor into becoming the sort of man who would be driven to genocide and the sort of hatred he displayed in 'Dalek'.

3. Rose Tyler and Tennant had a great deal more natural chemistry. The romantic subplots and hints didn't seem as forced. However, one problem that seemed to be shared between both the Tennant and Eccleston eras was the distinct feeling that, at times, the romantic subplots were detracting from the overall effectiveness of some episodes. This was at its worst during Martha's tenure as a companion, to the point that it was just downright distracting at times.

4. Captain Jack is awesome. No further details are needed.

5. Thus far, my favorite companion/doctor pairing has been the 10th doctor and Donna Noble. No romantic subplots to drag down the story, and the two just played off of each other so well. I was a little sad when the Doctor had to wipe Donna's memory. I would've loved to see more adventures between her and Tennant-Doc. Maybe they could use the one left in Pete's world or something.

6. While I agree with FSBA that the Master's and Davros's respective returns could've been more effective, I disagree that they "fell flat". They were still good and enjoyable episodes, and they both seemed logical plots the two would devise (The Master using a paradox machine and the remnants of humanity to attempt starting an empire, and Davros with his reality bomb.). The Davros bit in particular seems to recall how the Daleks used him in Destiny of the Daleks and this little bit of dialogue (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGjn47Y-MTg) (referring to the first one).

7. I'm afraid my familiarity with the original series is somewhat limited, so I may not be aware of the continuity of certain elements. However, I loved the Sontarans in Sontaran Stratagem/Poison Sky. Is their portrayal in NuWho different from their appearances in the original series?

8. Although Stolen Earth/Journey's End could've been done better, I loved the episode before it. I was especially fond of the ending. Red TARDIS is never a good sign.

9. Tennant had a great sendoff, Smith had the best introduction. I loved the montage of the previous doctors.

10. I'm a huge fan of Steven Moffet. Sherlock (available on Netflix, and another Steven Moffet show) is great, and the episodes he wrote of NuWho are some of my favorites. I'm looking forward to sitting down to watch what he does with season 6.

11. I'm still a little on the fence with Smith-doc, although that's primarily from not having seen many of his episodes yet. River seems like she'll be a very interesting character. I'm not too sure about Amelia character-wise yet, but she's gorgeous, so she gets a reprieve from my usual cynicism. My girlfriend said that Rory reminded her a great deal of me, therefore I hate him. :-P

12. I'd really like to see Davros return at some point to be fully utilized, though I wonder just how the new paradigm Daleks would react to him. They referred to the Daleks who found them as impure, and they were formed from Davros' own cells. How would they react to their creator, keeping that in mind?

So, yeah. Those are my thoughts so far.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 26, 2011, 02:18:24 PM
5. Thus far, my favorite companion/doctor pairing has been the 10th doctor and Donna Noble. No romantic subplots to drag down the story, and the two just played off of each other so well. I was a little sad when the Doctor had to wipe Donna's memory. I would've loved to see more adventures between her and Tennant-Doc. Maybe they could use the one left in Pete's world or something.

Agreed. Donna was awesome! Maybe she could come back for the 50th Anniversary Special...

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The Davros bit in particular seems to recall how the Daleks used him in Destiny of the Daleks and this little bit of dialogue (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGjn47Y-MTg) (referring to the first one).

I thought of that exact quote when I watched it.

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7. I'm afraid my familiarity with the original series is somewhat limited, so I may not be aware of the continuity of certain elements. However, I loved the Sontarans in Sontaran Stratagem/Poison Sky. Is their portrayal in NuWho different from their appearances in the original series?

They're actually a bit closer to what Robert Holmes originally envisioned: they evolved on a planet (Sontar) with a much higher gravity than ours, so they're short and squat. But in the classic series, they always hired normal-height actors to play them. Also, I think there might have been a passing reference to Sontar in their first story, but other than that there was never any mention. Things like the war chant (Sontar-Ha!) are new, but then, this is the first time we've actually seen more than one or two Sontarans together at a time.

They've always been a clone race; presumably, natural-born civilian Sontarans still live on Sontar and the military uses cloning to boost its numbers. Literally, their whole reason for existing is to fight and die in the glory of battle. It also means that we can keep having Christopher Ryan and Dan Starkey back in episode after episode...

Ever since their first story, their ongoing war with the Rutans has been mentioned.

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10. I'm a huge fan of Steven Moffet. Sherlock (available on Netflix, and another Steven Moffet show) is great, and the episodes he wrote of NuWho are some of my favorites. I'm looking forward to sitting down to watch what he does with season 6.

You ain't seen nothin' yet!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 26, 2011, 02:57:24 PM
Agreed. Donna was awesome! Maybe she could come back for the 50th Anniversary Special...

Is there a petition somewhere that I could sign in favor of this idea? Or, really, anything a bit more legal than abducting Steven Moffet at the next comic-con. :-P

Although, the thing I really liked wasn't just Donna, but the way she and the tenth Doctor were able to really play off of each other. Their personalities meshed together so well that I can't imagine another doctor actually replicating that. Then again, Steve Moffet was able to turn Moriarty into a gay midget and make it work, so he could probably pull this off.

I thought of that exact quote when I watched it.

Makes me wish they'd put the original Dalek/Cybermen episodes on Netflix already. The most I've seen of classic Who was a bit of "An Unearthly Child" and "The Daleks", and I don't remember much from them.

They're actually a bit closer to what Robert Holmes originally envisioned: they evolved on a planet (Sontar) with a much higher gravity than ours, so they're short and squat. But in the classic series, they always hired normal-height actors to play them. Also, I think there might have been a passing reference to Sontar in their first story, but other than that there was never any mention. Things like the war chant (Sontar-Ha!) are new, but then, this is the first time we've actually seen more than one or two Sontarans together at a time.

They've always been a clone race; presumably, natural-born civilian Sontarans still live on Sontar and the military uses cloning to boost its numbers. Literally, their whole reason for existing is to fight and die in the glory of battle. It also means that we can keep having Christopher Ryan and Dan Starkey back in episode after episode...

Ever since their first story, their ongoing war with the Rutans has been mentioned.

I've always had a bit of a partiality to the warrior/soldier races (Klingons, Krogans, Kilrathi, Germans(:-P), and so on). I don't know what it was about them, but I think it was their criticism/emphasis on strategy rather than individual skill or strength in battle. It seemed a little bit different from the typical soldier culture. The actors they hired were great, though I can't help but wonder if they would ever consider having R. Lee Emery play a Sontaran for a parody special or something.

The only way I'd heard about them before that episode was in an SFdebris review (http://blip.tv/sf-debris-opinionated-reviews/voy-tinker-tenor-doctor-spy-review-4592587) (actually, his review of Dalek is what got me into DW in the first place.) where he jokingly compared the Sontarans to the Hierarchy in an episode of Voyager. "When I first saw them, I immediately thought of the Sontarans from Doctor Who, large-headed aliens in grey suits who, in one episode, captured the Doctor. But no, these are the Hierarchy... large-headed aliens in grey suits who, in one episode, captured the doctor." Although, strangely enough, the hierarchy was almost completely the opposite of the Sontarans. Where the Sontarans were soldiers, the Hierarchy were almost all sniveling bureaucrats, though that made them more interesting as a concept than as villains.

Anyway, I'd love to see more episodes about the Sontarans. Maybe a conflict between the Sontarans and the Cybermen? Speaking of which, just where are the universe-prime Cybermen? Were they wiped out in the original series to be replaced by the Pete's World cybermen (and I ask only because I'm not as familiar with the original show)? Also, just what is the "pecking order" with regards to military strength and technology? I mean, I know that (barring events involving their endangerment or extinction) Time Lords and Daleks are pretty close to the top, but where is everyone else? I mean, the Cybermen barely stood a chance against the Daleks when they faced off.

I apologize, but I just realized at times that despite supposedly being older and more mature than this, I still have a part of me that approaches shows and movies from the standpoint of a 6 year old smashing his action figures together while making explosion noises. :-P

You ain't seen nothin' yet!

From what I've been reading in this forum, I'll get to see the Cybermen come back. I love the Cybermen. They're just so eerie, and the way they sound perfectly complements that trait. And plus, Steven Moffet. I'm sure it'll be a treat.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 26, 2011, 03:06:19 PM
The Cybermen issue has been one that's never really been resolved, which is why I asked about it in the trailer. Moffet's comments about redesigning the Cybermen as well makes me think we'll be seeing the original Mondas Cybermen at some point soon.

There are plenty of Classic Doctor Who stories on Netflix, though granted not many dealing with the Daleks or Cybermen. Still, City of Death, Pyramids of Mars, and Caves of Androzani are required viewing.

As far as a pecking order, it really does depend on the show runner and individual writer. Ie if there was such an episode under Moffet, wouldn't surprise me to see a Weeping Angel be able to wipe out a whole ship of Daleks.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 26, 2011, 03:18:07 PM
One last trailer observation, but at around 16 seconds that is an obviously older Amy. One episode title is "The Girl Who Waited", an obvious Amy reference.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 26, 2011, 03:22:19 PM
Speaking of which, just where are the universe-prime Cybermen?

No, they show up again in A Good Man Goes to War, although the design is still the same (minus the C logo on the chest).

Here's hoping they ignore that bit about killing a Cyberman by pushing a bit of gold into his chest...

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I mean, I know that (barring events involving their endangerment or extinction) Time Lords and Daleks are pretty close to the top, but where is everyone else?

I think those were the only two Type III civilizations. The more ancient, keep-to-themselves races (like the Guardians, the Eternals, or the Disciples of the Light) could probably stand up to the Daleks. Anyone else would be toast.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 26, 2011, 04:44:44 PM
No, they show up again in A Good Man Goes to War, although the design is still the same (minus the C logo on the chest).

Here's hoping they ignore that bit about killing a Cyberman by pushing a bit of gold into his chest...

I think those were the only two Type III civilizations. The more ancient, keep-to-themselves races (like the Guardians, the Eternals, or the Disciples of the Light) could probably stand up to the Daleks. Anyone else would be toast.

*blink, blink*

Uhhh... Type III?

I'm guessing those more ancient keep-to-themselves races are a bit like the Q or Prophets from Star Trek?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 26, 2011, 05:49:49 PM
Type I civilizations can utilize the power of their planet.

Type II can utilize the power of a star.

Type III can utilize the power of a black hole. To a Type III civilization, their only limitations are the laws of physics. Anything physically possible is within their ability.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 26, 2011, 06:08:05 PM
Type I civilizations can utilize the power of their planet.

Type II can utilize the power of a star.

Type III can utilize the power of a black hole. To a Type III civilization, their only limitations are the laws of physics. Anything physically possible is within their ability.

No wonder the cybermen had all the effectiveness of stormtroopers when they fought the Daleks. I always wondered about that power disparity.

So, how exactly does this time lock work? As far as I understand it, it seems to (mostly) prevent time travel within that period of time, at least in most cases. Almost as if time were the surface of a planet, and one area was cordoned off with an electric fence. Was the time lock imposed, or did it occur naturally as the Daleks and Time Lords fought? Does it have any retroactive effect on the presence of the time lords before the war? If not, then why couldn't the time lords intervene in other time-related events? Are they prevented from traveling from before the time war to after the time war?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 26, 2011, 06:42:30 PM
They never really explained the time lock thing. Apparently it's not just an arbitrary rule that the Time Lords set up; even with the Time Lords gone it can only be crossed at a great price, as Dalek Caan discovered. I'm guessing it's something that happens when you have multiple paradoxes converging the way you do in a Time War. Of course, the Time Lords probably could have set one up deliberately; The Doctor did something like that to the Vardans, setting their planet in a time-loop to prevent them from trying to invade Gallifrey again.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 26, 2011, 07:11:46 PM
They never really explained the time lock thing. Apparently it's not just an arbitrary rule that the Time Lords set up; even with the Time Lords gone it can only be crossed at a great price, as Dalek Caan discovered. I'm guessing it's something that happens when you have multiple paradoxes converging the way you do in a Time War. Of course, the Time Lords probably could have set one up deliberately; The Doctor did something like that to the Vardans, setting their planet in a time-loop to prevent them from trying to invade Gallifrey again.

Yeah, but there are several mentions to the Time Lords performing something akin to custodial duties with regards to paradoxes and parallel universes, like in 'Father's Day'. If Time Lords can perceive time the way other species can perceive the room around them and such (AIUI), and can move about it in much the same way, what's to stop some Time Lords from before the Time War from existing in or interacting with the period after the Time War? What's preventing the Time Lords from before the Time War from performing those custodial duties mentioned in "Father's Day"? Does it have something to do with that bit where the Doctor can't cross his own timeline (for the most part)?

Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 26, 2011, 07:24:01 PM
I'm kind of thinking of the Time War as an island, and time travel machines as boats. The war churned up all of these huge currents and waves and vortices that the ships just can't get across.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 27, 2011, 12:59:17 AM
I'm kind of thinking of the Time War as an island, and time travel machines as boats. The war churned up all of these huge currents and waves and vortices that the ships just can't get across.

Yeah, but what about the rest of time? The TARDIS has been observed to travel between the end of the universe to just about its beginning without difficulty. If the Doctor can move between the beginning and the end of time, why can't the other Time Lords? What's preventing the time lords referred to in "Father's Day" from "keeping stuff like this from happening" at points past the time war? For that matter, just when DID the time war occur?

I'm reminded of a phrase someone quoted from some parody somewhere, but I can't remember where it's from. Maybe you'd know. "Yeah, sure it's always been there. But had it always been there five minutes ago?"
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 27, 2011, 07:00:54 AM
Yeah, but what about the rest of time? The TARDIS has been observed to travel between the end of the universe to just about its beginning without difficulty. If the Doctor can move between the beginning and the end of time, why can't the other Time Lords? What's preventing the time lords referred to in "Father's Day" from "keeping stuff like this from happening" at points past the time war? For that matter, just when DID the time war occur?

One thing that's obvious from the Whoniverse is that time isn't linear (wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey). Think of it like an alternate timeline that got cut off. In one sense of it, the Time War never happened. Or, like a blister on space-time that's been closed off to protect the rest of it.

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I'm reminded of a phrase someone quoted from some parody somewhere, but I can't remember where it's from. Maybe you'd know. "Yeah, sure it's always been there. But had it always been there five minutes ago?"

Precisely.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 27, 2011, 07:27:01 AM
One thing that's obvious from the Whoniverse is that time isn't linear (wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey). Think of it like an alternate timeline that got cut off. In one sense of it, the Time War never happened. Or, like a blister on space-time that's been closed off to protect the rest of it.

And that's why time travel stories give me headaches at times. :-P

Maybe there's some sort of fifth dimension, like a kind of supertime, that operates separately from normal time. Alterations and modifications to normal time can happen "before" and "after" each other in supertime without affecting the rest of supertime. To use the quote, the 'always been there' part would be normal time, whereas the 'five minutes ago' part would be supertime. Or something like that. It would explain why the Time Lords' apparent ability to sense the normal flow of time apparently failed to predict the events of the Time War and such, and why they apparently can't make modifications to the timeline after the Time War.

I'm also curious as to whether or not the Time Lock resulted in a physical barrier as well. I mean, if I were the cybermen, the Sontarans, or the Shadow Proclamation, the second I heard about the Time War being over, I would be scouring the area looking for salvageable technology. As far as I know, there haven't been too many stories about rogue Time Lord and Dalek technology being recovered and utilized by other less-advanced species. The closest was that episode in season 5 with the time machine (or was it an actual TARDIS from Gallifrey? I don't remember if they ever specified.). Did The Moment end up wiping out all the technology, buildings, etc, or did it result in something else that precluded the possibility of traveling to the area where the battle/s took place?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 27, 2011, 07:41:05 AM
I always put it like this.
Causality is time travel's bitch.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 27, 2011, 08:16:47 AM
Maybe there's some sort of fifth dimension, like a kind of supertime, that operates separately from normal time. Alterations and modifications to normal time can happen "before" and "after" each other in supertime without affecting the rest of supertime. To use the quote, the 'always been there' part would be normal time, whereas the 'five minutes ago' part would be supertime. Or something like that.

I think of it like lanes on a highway. As long as you stay in your lane, you're in your chain of causality. Time travel is the ability to change lanes and see the alternatives. In The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, Amy remembered the Clerics even when their fellow Clerics had forgotten them. That's because she had changed lanes from another timeline and they hadn't. In Cold Blood, Amy forgot Rory because they were both from the same lane.

The Time War is a lane that's been blocked off with a concrete wall.

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I'm also curious as to whether or not the Time Lock resulted in a physical barrier as well. I mean, if I were the cybermen, the Sontarans, or the Shadow Proclamation, the second I heard about the Time War being over, I would be scouring the area looking for salvageable technology.

I've thought about that. I've wondered how much rogue technology is out there. I always figured Sil would be the first to get his hands on some...

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As far as I know, there haven't been too many stories about rogue Time Lord and Dalek technology being recovered and utilized by other less-advanced species. The closest was that episode in season 5 with the time machine (or was it an actual TARDIS from Gallifrey? I don't remember if they ever specified.).

No, that's apparently a ship used by the Silence (Silents?).

Although we did see leftover Time Lord technology in the form of the cubes in The Doctor's Wife.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 27, 2011, 07:29:04 PM
I think of it like lanes on a highway. As long as you stay in your lane, you're in your chain of causality. Time travel is the ability to change lanes and see the alternatives. In The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, Amy remembered the Clerics even when their fellow Clerics had forgotten them. That's because she had changed lanes from another timeline and they hadn't. In Cold Blood, Amy forgot Rory because they were both from the same lane.

The Time War is a lane that's been blocked off with a concrete wall.

I guess it's not just the time war that seems a bit of to me, but the whole thing of actually changing the flow of time. At one point, time flows in a certain way, and changes at another point. If there was a second time dimension that governed changes to normal time, then that would explain how changes in the timeline could apparently occur in some sort of sequence, or even be possible in the first place. Technically, if time behaved normally in the Whoniverse, then all changes to the timeline would be perceived at once, wouldn't it? This could also be utilized to explain the presence of fixed points in time (the eruption of Vesuvius, for example). Perhaps one could argue that in much the same way that the 5th dimension could be said to govern and override the 4th, the sixth could do the same for both. This could then be used to hint at the existence of another race of beings beyond Time Lords and such who have a great enough power to stop the manipulations of those below them. Or maybe I'm just ranting.

Although, I don't think our two ideas are mutually exclusive. It sounds a bit like that theory of all possible eventualities occurring in alternate realities. Perhaps the whole road thing could be the structure of that 5th dimension, or even the time vortex. I mean, we technically exist in the third dimension, but we can't exactly displace ourselves into whatever part of the universe we please. Then again, I think I may have just given a better answer for the explanation of fixed points in time. Then again, I never did quite understood whether those fixed points were just required to occur or the Doctor just didn't have the ability to change them.

I'd love for them to come up with a clever explanation to some of these things. I need to stop examining fictional physics.

I've thought about that. I've wondered how much rogue technology is out there. I always figured Sil would be the first to get his hands on some...

Uhhh... Yeah! Sil! Definitely! I totally know who that is! *desperately peruses the Doctor Who wiki*

No, that's apparently a ship used by the Silence (Silents?).

Although we did see leftover Time Lord technology in the form of the cubes in The Doctor's Wife.

Uuuuhhhh... Spoilers. :-P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 27, 2011, 07:43:23 PM
Type I civilizations can utilize the power of their planet.

Type II can utilize the power of a star.

Type III can utilize the power of a black hole. To a Type III civilization, their only limitations are the laws of physics. Anything physically possible is within their ability.
HOLY SHIT!  That sounds awesome. 0.0
This is in the Doctor Who universe?  Man, I might have to start watching eps of that on YouTube. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 27, 2011, 07:46:10 PM
HOLY SHIT!  That sounds awesome. 0.0
This is in the Doctor Who universe?  Man, I might have to start watching eps of that on YouTube. :P

Actually, I think it's some scale that someone came up with a while ago that could be utilized for any civilization.

But don't let that stop you. Yes, check out Doctor Who.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 27, 2011, 08:52:51 PM
HOLY SHIT!  That sounds awesome. 0.0
This is in the Doctor Who universe?  Man, I might have to start watching eps of that on YouTube. :P

No, that's the Kardashev Scale.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 29, 2011, 01:23:07 PM
If he's a flesh avatar, why didn't he melt when he died?

There's a second possibility. The Doctor is the only time lord to be replicated via the flesh. It's possible that the flesh absorbed his regeneration ability as well.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 29, 2011, 07:25:41 PM


Also, which soundtrack is this music from?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 30, 2011, 04:17:19 PM
Okay. Just saw the last episode of season 6.1. I only have one thing to say.


Anyone who can say that line with a straight face deserves an Oscar. :-P

But I have a couple of questions. Why did Doctor Who get cancelled back in the 80s? I mean, alot of people seemed to like the 7th doctor, and the wikipedia article makes it seem like there's quite a bit of similarity between the 7th and 11th doctors. So, what happened there?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 30, 2011, 04:29:07 PM
Politics at the BBC, and from the recent actions by that one BBC guy (don't remember his name) to try and claim that there wouldn't be a full season of DW next year, it seems a lot of those forces are still in place.

Some say producer John Nathan-Turner overstayed his welcome. That's probably correct, but in the McCoy years he was doing everything to keep it fresh and new (mostly due I think to story editor Andrew Cartmel).
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 30, 2011, 05:14:21 PM
I did a bit of Googling and found this web page which details all of the things that went into Doctor Who's demise in the '80s. I read over it and everything meshes with my memory of what happened, so I'm sure it's accurate.

http://roswell.fortunecity.com/angelic/96/controvs.htm
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 30, 2011, 06:05:54 PM
I just don't get the BBC. In a time when the Brits are cutting back their funding, Doctor Who is the kind of show that brings in tons of extra revenue.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 30, 2011, 06:11:25 PM
It's government TV. What do you expect?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 30, 2011, 06:32:46 PM
It's government TV. What do you expect?

Sad but so very true
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 30, 2011, 06:41:48 PM
Really though the BBC screwing with Doctor Who goes all the way back to the 3rd Doctor, when they cut the budget back bigtime and almost all of his stories were based in 1970's Earth.

Then you had the real downfall which was the conservative backlash towards the Tom Baker years, which resulted in John Nathan-Turner being installed in the first place.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on July 30, 2011, 10:56:14 PM
Really though the BBC screwing with Doctor Who goes all the way back to the 3rd Doctor, when they cut the budget back bigtime and almost all of his stories were based in 1970's Earth.

Yes and they mandated long 7-part episodes. And according to then-script-editor Terrance Dicks, it didn't actually save them money doing that!

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Then you had the real downfall which was the conservative backlash towards the Tom Baker years, which resulted in John Nathan-Turner being installed in the first place.

That was mostly during the excellent Philip Hinchcliffe years. Then thanks to Mary Whitehouse's brigade they brought in Graham Williams with the instruction that he make the show light and funny. There was still a lot of good stuff, but on the whole it was bad for the show. That's why JNT was brought in.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on August 01, 2011, 06:03:52 PM
Great article on the supposed problems of Doctor Who: http://www.denofgeek.com/television/999237/is_doctor_who_really_in_trouble.html
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 04, 2011, 05:35:55 PM
One criticism I might make of Doctor Who isn't really anything that big. It might seem a bit like I'm nit-picking, but here we go.

There have been some pretty wretched decisions made when it comes to titling episodes. For example, season 1 of nu-Who. The doctor is shocked to find a surviving Dalek... And so would the audience, had they not been tipped off by the episode's title "Dalek". In "Revenge of the Cybermen", the Cybermen don't actually show up until the second part at the end in what is apparently a shocking reveal. I know it's a bit of a strange criticism, but couldn't they have come up with a different title that didn't give away the main bad-guy right up front? Something that leaves a bit for the audience to be surprised from?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on August 04, 2011, 05:46:29 PM
They used to do that back in the '60s, when each episode was given individual titles. But yeah, it is pretty bad when the episode titles get spoilerish, but usually the media and the previews give it away anyway. I remember the preview for Bad Wolf gave away the fact that the Daleks were behind it when it would have been an INCREDIBLE reveal otherwise.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 08, 2011, 10:32:22 AM
Hah, yeah when the initial reports were that Torchwood would air on FOX I had some bad flashbacks. Although I still think Paul McGann was good as the 8th Doctor.

I'm a bit surprised Torchwood didn't end up on Showtime, considering their history with the BBC.

I mentioned this bit to my sister, who came up with an idea that could either be horrible, hilarious, or both. Director Dalek. A member of the cult of Skaro gets stuck in Hollywood after attempting to escape the series 2 season finale, damaging their equipment in the process. In an attempt to fit into this strange world while determining a way to get home and reunite with the other cult members, he takes a job as a director of a sitcom/various low-budget movies.

Although I think my sister came up with it just to have an excuse to say this line-

"You have DEviatED from THE scripTED reSPONse. EXplAIN! EXplAIN! EXplAAAAIIIINNNN!!!!"
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 09, 2011, 06:16:23 PM
I stumbled across this just now and thought I'd post it here.


I noticed a couple of new things this time around. For one, the viking playing chess at about 1:53 seems to also be wearing the eyepatch sported by Kovarian. That could either mean that the eyepatch thing is a fakeout, or the viking is also involved in some way and the eyepatch is more representative of something else.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on August 09, 2011, 06:59:30 PM
One criticism I might make of Doctor Who isn't really anything that big. It might seem a bit like I'm nit-picking, but here we go.

There have been some pretty wretched decisions made when it comes to titling episodes. For example, season 1 of nu-Who. The doctor is shocked to find a surviving Dalek... And so would the audience, had they not been tipped off by the episode's title "Dalek". In "Revenge of the Cybermen", the Cybermen don't actually show up until the second part at the end in what is apparently a shocking reveal. I know it's a bit of a strange criticism, but couldn't they have come up with a different title that didn't give away the main bad-guy right up front? Something that leaves a bit for the audience to be surprised from?

Actually, I just remembered a counter-example: the Jon Pertwee serial The Invasion of the Dinosaurs was just titled The Invasion for its first episode, to prevent spoiling the cliffhanger. Unfortunately, there already was a story in the 1960s called The Invasion and this has created a bit of confusion. Even when they got it right, they got it wrong...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 09, 2011, 07:36:59 PM
Another new trailer came out, big thing is them going into a pyramid labeled "Area 52"
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 09, 2011, 08:05:52 PM
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 09, 2011, 09:27:42 PM

Thank you for that. I couldn't help but notice a bigger close-up of that viking again. Does it look like the same eyepatch to you guys as well?

And btw, I loved the music for that trailer. I've got a soft spot for that sort of thing, though I'm not quite sure what the name of it is. I was never very good with music theory. :-P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on August 09, 2011, 09:48:06 PM
Not sure what you're talking about; the compound meter maybe?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 09, 2011, 11:19:05 PM
Not sure what you're talking about; the compound meter maybe?

Me neither. That was always part of my problem. I have a hard time connecting words to music. I mean, I never even learned to sight-read properly. If I needed to play a piece, I'd listen to a recording of it and extrapolate from there.

But I guess I'd say anything that sounds epic and has a chorus.

Any thoughts on the eyepatch?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 09, 2011, 11:39:36 PM
Best guess it allows you to see and remember the Silence.

Also of interest, the "Viking" bears a resemblance to an old villain "Fenric" Fenric was a Norse God, and remember, one of the things in River Song's diary was a "Picnic as Asgard"
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on August 10, 2011, 06:49:50 AM
Me neither. That was always part of my problem. I have a hard time connecting words to music. I mean, I never even learned to sight-read properly. If I needed to play a piece, I'd listen to a recording of it and extrapolate from there.

Normal meter goes one-and two-and one-and two-and... Compound meter goes one-and-a two-and-a one-and-a two-and-a...

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Any thoughts on the eyepatch?

No clue. I was disturbed the moment I first saw River wearing it.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 10, 2011, 07:52:38 AM
Normal meter goes one-and two-and one-and two-and... Compound meter goes one-and-a two-and-a one-and-a two-and-a...

Wait, I think I remember something about this. 6/4 as opposed to 4/4?


No clue. I was disturbed the moment I first saw River wearing it.

I think they're banking on that. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if that was how one of the teasers ended.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on August 10, 2011, 08:04:42 AM
Wait, I think I remember something about this. 6/4 as opposed to 4/4?

Generally, it's metered as 6/8. It's understood that with a quarter-note meter it's simple meter:

ONE-and TWO-and THREE-and FOUR-and FIVE-and SIX and ONE-and TWO-and THREE-and FOUR-and FIVE-and SIX and...

With an eighth-note meter it's compound:

ONE-two-three FOUR-five-six ONE-two-three FOUR-five-six...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 10, 2011, 09:15:17 AM
Generally, it's metered as 6/8. It's understood that with a quarter-note meter it's simple meter:

ONE-and TWO-and THREE-and FOUR-and FIVE-and SIX and ONE-and TWO-and THREE-and FOUR-and FIVE-and SIX and...

With an eighth-note meter it's compound:

ONE-two-three FOUR-five-six ONE-two-three FOUR-five-six...

I just had a very odd flashback of my dad demonstrating the difference by tapping a pencil on the music stand. Rather often...

And now the rhythm is stuck in my head...

Timothy Dalton! Such a pleasure to meet you. I thought your James Bond was horribly underrated...! Wait... What's with the gauntlet?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on August 10, 2011, 09:21:56 AM
Of course, the best example of a compound meter is the Doctor Who theme itself...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 10, 2011, 11:02:55 AM
Of course, the best example of a compound meter is the Doctor Who theme itself...

You mean the original theme that's a part of all the opening credits themes, or one season in particular?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on August 10, 2011, 11:08:57 AM
You mean the original theme that's a part of all the opening credits themes, or one season in particular?

The original Ron Grainer/Delia Derbyshire theme, of course, and all the title themes since then.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 10, 2011, 01:09:56 PM
The original Ron Grainer/Delia Derbyshire theme, of course, and all the title themes since then.

Just making sure. I mean, the first few opening measures sound like they'd be compound meter if I'm remembering the difference properly.

But that's not really what drew me about the music in that trailer. I guess I'd say that it's the same thing that drew me to the "I am the Doctor" theme from 11th Hour and Carmina Burana.

And I'm slightly glum that my reference to "The End of Time" and President Rassilon fell flat. :-P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 14, 2011, 11:19:42 AM
Anyone else check out the BBC America special last night? I DVRed it and thought it was good. Surprising to see some of the fans of the show.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 15, 2011, 02:07:47 PM

Just caught this one that BBC's youtube channel just put up. It's another trailer of Amy leaving a message on the Tardis. Don't think it reveals too much new info, except perhaps that the search isn't going as well as one might have hoped.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 15, 2011, 03:00:18 PM
Hmm

At 1:20 is that a Silent or just a light reflection? I think just a reflection but would be a crazy reveal for there to have been a Silent in the TARDIS all along.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 15, 2011, 07:00:36 PM
Appears Moffat confirmed a "new" companion for Series 7. I still think it'll be River joining full time, but would be fine with a totally new companion as well.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 15, 2011, 07:10:02 PM
As far as the prequel goes, a couple of things this made me think about

A. His comment about "running faster than he ever has", most people assumed he was running away from something. Was he referring to his search for Melody?

2. For some reason Amy's Scottish accent was heavier than I can ever remember it being

D. The 27th can't get here quick enough

Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 15, 2011, 07:50:52 PM
As far as the prequel goes, a couple of things this made me think about

A. His comment about "running faster than he ever has", most people assumed he was running away from something. Was he referring to his search for Melody?

2. For some reason Amy's Scottish accent was heavier than I can ever remember it being

D. The 27th can't get here quick enough

Just 12 more days. I tried discovering and watching Torchwood in the interim, but it's just not quite the same. Something about Torchwood keeps me from enjoying it as much as Doctor Who, though the characters are certainly interesting.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on August 15, 2011, 08:31:54 PM
They can deal with all sorts of issues in Torchwood that they can't in Doctor Who. Children of Earth would have been over in a flash with the Doctor giving the 456 a stern talking to and a little well-placed technobabble would have made Miracle Day a non-event. But seeing humanity struggle with these things with no savior in sight takes on a whole dynamic that Doctor Who can never have.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 15, 2011, 08:39:44 PM
They can deal with all sorts of issues in Torchwood that they can't in Doctor Who. Children of Earth would have been over in a flash with the Doctor giving the 456 a stern talking to and a little well-placed technobabble would have made Miracle Day a non-event. But seeing humanity struggle with these things with no savior in sight takes on a whole dynamic that Doctor Who can never have.

Disclaimer: I'm about halfway through season 2.

I understand that, but there's just something about Doctor Who that makes me really enjoy watching it. I can marathon episodes of Doctor Who. I don't quite enjoy marathoning Torchwood as much.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on August 15, 2011, 09:35:17 PM
A Torchwood marathon would be hard on the emotions. Especially after episodes like Adam and Adrift.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 15, 2011, 11:50:10 PM
A Torchwood marathon would be hard on the emotions. Especially after episodes like Adam and Adrift.

My girlfriend and I have a rule. No more than two Torchwood episodes a day. At least, not without a couple of Frasier episodes inbetween. Frasier plays the role of ginger leaves on this particular sushi platter. :-P

It's weird. I usually like the dark, post-apocalyptic, damned-near no hope stories and such. It's almost cathartic at times when I'm feeling particularly ticked off or disturbed about something. I mean, I used to watch End of Evangelion whenever I was in one of my off moods to help snap me out of it (Which got me quite a few odd looks from others who had actually seen that movie.). The only reason I don't now is because I lost track of the DVD after I lent it to my philosophy teacher.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 16, 2011, 08:16:32 AM
Torchwood has been hit or miss for me. Children of Earth was amazing, but every other season really had its ups and downs.

It took half its run, but seems Miracle Day has finally kicked it into gear. Last two episodes have been great.

On the DW front, also seems the Daleks will be involved in 6B somehow. If its a minor thing like with The Pandorica Opens/Big Bang, I'm fine with that. But if its the millionth rehash of "ZOMG THE DALEKS HAVE AN UNSTOPPABLE FLEET" only for the Doctor to pull a mcguffin out of his ass, well......
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 17, 2011, 05:49:58 PM
Great idea from another forum

If Moffat is ultimately trying to bring Omega back, what if the 5th Doctor encountered in Time Crash really was Omega? Think about it, would the TARDIS just randomly collide with an earlier version? Or was Omega trying to get back into our reality.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on August 17, 2011, 06:06:28 PM
I dunno, Five went back rather passively for it to be Omega trying to come back.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 21, 2011, 12:19:18 AM
Has anyone else been watching the BBC America specials? I thought "Best of the Doctor" was very good, but tonight's "Best of the Monsters" was bad. Not touching the Cyberman or Sontarans, even when they've appeared in Series 5 and 6 is just facepalm worthy.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on August 22, 2011, 06:31:03 AM
Actually, I think it's some scale that someone came up with a while ago that could be utilized for any civilization.

But don't let that stop you. Yes, check out Doctor Who.

Modified Kardeshev Scale.

Type I:  Utilizing all energy available on their home planet.

Type II:  Utilizing the entire energy output of their home star.  (This requires a classical Dyson Sphere, which is not generally habitable, just a means of harvesting energy.)

Type III:  Utilizing the entire energy output of their home galaxy.  Even Time Lords never reached this level, as they didn't bother to control more than 1 planet at a time.  They did, however, control the singularity from the black hole that was made by Rasilon and Omega, and were able to remotely tie into it to power a TARDIS anywhere and anywhen in any reality.  (They controlled the singularity, which they called the Eye of Harmony, so well and for so long that they entirely forgot that it was a real thing, not some mythic symbol.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 23, 2011, 09:30:48 PM
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 24, 2011, 08:44:56 AM
Also, Omega's return would put a new spin on having River as a "weapon" against the Doctor. Omega needs Timelord DNA to once again be apart of the physical universe. River's DNA could be used for that purpose.
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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 27, 2011, 10:19:45 PM
Just watched the new episode, all I can say is "WOW!"
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Post by: MrBogosity on August 27, 2011, 10:39:19 PM
Amazing! Just taken from one place to another to another. This is gonna get REALLY interesting.
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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 28, 2011, 01:14:54 PM
Dare I say we might finally get a good Cyberman story in Nu-Who? Video contains SPOILERS


Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on August 29, 2011, 08:42:33 AM
Also, Omega's return would put a new spin on having River as a "weapon" against the Doctor. Omega needs Timelord DNA to once again be apart of the physical universe. River's DNA could be used for that purpose.

Omega doesn't need DNA per se, he needs what was called a 'bio-data extract' of another Time Lord in order to be able to make a stable transition.  Given some statements made by the Fifth Doctor, River may well qualify, since it is strongly implied that being a Time Lord is defined as having the ability to regenerate, which it APPEARS River has.  (It's difficult to be sure, since it's not actually confirmed that River is the girl in the spacesuit, it merely seems extremely likely.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on August 29, 2011, 08:56:44 AM
Omega doesn't need DNA per se, he needs what was called a 'bio-data extract' of another Time Lord in order to be able to make a stable transition.  Given some statements made by the Fifth Doctor, River may well qualify, since it is strongly implied that being a Time Lord is defined as having the ability to regenerate, which it APPEARS River has.  (It's difficult to be sure, since it's not actually confirmed that River is the girl in the spacesuit, it merely seems extremely likely.)

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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on August 29, 2011, 09:02:41 AM
And another one:

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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on August 30, 2011, 08:36:54 AM
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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 30, 2011, 10:01:49 AM
I think the shot of River in the trailer wearing the eyepatch will have something to do with why she was in the spacesuit, if she was in it.

I'm still of the opinion the Doctor we saw on the beach in episode one was a Ganger.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on August 30, 2011, 12:41:41 PM
I'm still of the opinion the Doctor we saw on the beach in episode one was a Ganger.

Gangers can't regenerate, though, or the ganger Doctor would have regenerated instead of melting at the end of The Almost People.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 31, 2011, 12:58:26 AM
Gangers can't regenerate, though, or the ganger Doctor would have regenerated instead of melting at the end of The Almost People.

There is another possibility- The doctor ganger took longer to form than the human gangers (the course of an episode/several days (if I remember correctly) vs several minutes). This could have been a result of the minimum exposure, or the complexity of Time Lord physiology. Not to mention, the whole 'previous lives' thing did seem to give the flesh some trouble (remember where it went through all of the previous ones?). It's possible that a ganger would require more time to fully replicate the ability to regenerate, time which it wasn't allowed in the course of The Almost People.

Or I could just be looking into it too much. At this point, I think the ganger thing would be a bit of a cop out. Moffet's not going to settle for that. Who knows. Maybe the doctor that was killed was actually Omega. :-P
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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 31, 2011, 05:39:33 AM
That's what I'm thinking, the flesh at some point should be able to learn to regenerate. Also, remember the line towards the end of "The Almost People" where they said the Tardis stabilized the flesh and made them legit people? Also remember the Doctor still had the Ganger Doctor's shoes on when he left the Tardis, so theoretically there could still be a way to build a Ganger Doctor just for that.
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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 31, 2011, 09:22:08 PM
Something else to chew on, apparently Alex Kingston was the voice of the Papal Mainframe from "A Good Man Goes to War"
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on August 31, 2011, 09:51:06 PM
When did the Papal Mainframe actually speak? I don't remember that part.
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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 01, 2011, 11:20:30 AM
Can't find the clip on youtube, but it was when the Headless Monks were leading the Fat One into the chamber, the voice that was saying something like "We require each ally to offer up someone for conversion" was the Papal Mainframe.
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Post by: Virgil0211 on September 02, 2011, 09:48:04 AM
Can't find the clip on youtube, but it was when the Headless Monks were leading the Fat One into the chamber, the voice that was saying something like "We require each ally to offer up someone for conversion" was the Papal Mainframe.

The who-what now?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 02, 2011, 11:33:50 AM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xj4ds0_doctor-who-6x07-a-good-man-goes-to-war-1_shortfilms (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xj4ds0_doctor-who-6x07-a-good-man-goes-to-war-1_shortfilms)

Go to the 7 minute mark
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on September 02, 2011, 12:56:58 PM
It does sound like Alex Kingston, but we probably shouldn't assume that means that it's River any more than we should assume the Enterprise computer is Nurse Chapel.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 02, 2011, 01:38:57 PM
Yeah, would be interesting though if Moffat tied it in with her "digital" copy in the Library
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Post by: evensgrey on September 03, 2011, 10:05:24 AM
I'm not sure how well the idea of connecting the Papal Mainframe with the digital copy of Rive would work.  She didn't even start studying archeology until the 52nd century, which would seem to be a later era.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 04, 2011, 07:03:14 PM
If you didn't understand the rhyme at the end of last night's episode

"Tick tock goes the clock
And what now shall we play?
Tick tock goes the clock
Now summer’s gone away?

Tick tock goes the clock
And what then shall we see?
Tick tock until the day
That thou shalt marry me

Tick tock goes the clock
And all the years they fly
Tick tock and all too soon
You and I must die”

Tick tock goes the clock
We laughed at fate and mourned her
Tick tock goes the clock
Even for the Doctor

Tick tock goes the clock
He cradled her and rocked her
Tick tock goes the clock
even for the Doctor"
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on September 04, 2011, 07:36:30 PM
That stanza with "mourned her" wasn't in the one Mark Gatiss tweeted.
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 05, 2011, 10:02:27 AM
I thought I'd posted this, but I guess not. It's Sylvester McCoy reading the Doctor's speech from The Pandorica Opens:

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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 05, 2011, 12:12:46 PM
I'm not as big a fan of McCoy as others are, but that is more a product of him being in the show's twilight than anything else. His last season, when he got alot of changes, was pretty good though.
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 05, 2011, 12:54:43 PM
Yeah, if there'd been more episodes like Ghost Light and The Curse of Fenric I think he'd be very fondly remembered.
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 07, 2011, 07:19:34 AM
Awe. Some!

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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 07, 2011, 07:34:22 PM
Very cool!

On a different note, a buddy of mine said that Tom Baker did an interview and said he should return as a regeneration of The Master for the 50th anniversary. Can't find a link, but I think it would be an interesting way to get Baker back and not have to explain any agoing.
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 07, 2011, 08:24:20 PM
As if aging can't be explained with two lines in the script...

Remember when Tom Baker got aged in The Leisure Hive?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on September 08, 2011, 08:42:49 AM
It takes kind of a LOT to make a Time Lord old.  It's been done to The Doctor twice, and both times it took major effort (at least, it was a major effort for anyone other than The Master).

I think we've got the proof that River was in prison for killing someone other than The Doctor, though.

The crew of the Teselector was quite clear that they went after people who weren't punished in their lifetimes for their crimes, and River was definitely being punished (however ineffectually it was) by being held in the Storm Cage for killing someone.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on September 08, 2011, 08:47:15 AM
Nah, all you need is for his TARDIS to bump into a Temporal Enigmatic Concatenator while in the Time Vortex and it'll age him until he goes back at the end of the episode.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on September 08, 2011, 07:39:22 PM
I think we've got the proof that River was in prison for killing someone other than The Doctor, though.

The crew of the Teselector was quite clear that they went after people who weren't punished in their lifetimes for their crimes, and River was definitely being punished (however ineffectually it was) by being held in the Storm Cage for killing someone.

No, they were quite clear: "Melody Pond, the woman who kills The Doctor." And she was pardoned, remember.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 08, 2011, 09:12:36 PM
No, they were quite clear: "Melody Pond, the woman who kills The Doctor." And she was pardoned, remember.

Yeah, but then why would they punish her, even though she is punished by being in stormcage. Unless of course they realize her sentence in Storm Cage is a complete farce.
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 08, 2011, 09:37:35 PM
It's kind of a light sentence for killing the greatest man in the universe, is it not?
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Post by: evensgrey on September 09, 2011, 03:25:23 PM
It's kind of a light sentence for killing the greatest man in the universe, is it not?

That depends on your viewpoint.  If you don't accept the idea that capital punishment is ever appropriate, then life imprisonment (which appears to be what she got for whatever killing it was) is about as bad as it's likely to get.  It's also unclear how many people actually think The Doctor is so great.  He's done some horrific things (and allowed some horrific things) because he thinks he has adequate reason.  While he may well have adequate reason (being able to see all of time and space implies that he really DOES know what the outcome of his interference, or lack of interference, will be) there's no way he's going to be able to prove that to anyone who doesn't have that kind of knowledge.

It isn't just the villainous species like the Daleks, Cybermen, and Sontarans who hate and fear him.  There appear to be any number of perfectly reasonable civilizations that are terrified of him.  For instance, it appears that the Shadow Proclamation wanted him to lead their war against the Daleks precisely because he's the scariest being they know of.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on September 09, 2011, 03:56:32 PM
If you don't accept the idea that capital punishment is ever appropriate, then life imprisonment (which appears to be what she got for whatever killing it was) is about as bad as it's likely to get.

Except, again, she was pardoned--and since she was pretty much coming and going as she pleased, it wasn't much of a prison either.

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It's also unclear how many people actually think The Doctor is so great.

The crew of the Teselecta obviously thought he was.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on September 10, 2011, 05:55:27 AM
Except, again, she was pardoned--and since she was pretty much coming and going as she pleased, it wasn't much of a prison either.

This says some interesting things about the society that created the Teselecta.  They are far more technologically advanced than almost any other species (given the time travel capability they have, it would appear they are somewhere between the Sontarans and the Daleks technologically) but have very crude ideas of justice for such a technologically advanced species that clearly values their ideas about justice highly enough to expend tremendous effort to punish criminals from completely different civilizations.

The crew of the Teselecta obviously thought he was.

Although they were curiously unaffected by his open condemnation of their entire mission.

"Who do you think you ARE?  Never mind, it's obvious who you think YOU are."
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on September 18, 2011, 01:02:53 AM
OK, now we've got a new thing to speculate on:

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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 18, 2011, 06:51:51 AM
Spoiler: The God Complex (click to show/hide)

Either way, seems a lot of reviews of this episode were upset with the atheist overtones. Just #SMH.

(Edited to add spoiler protection -MrB)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on September 18, 2011, 08:03:44 AM
Spoiler: The God Complex (click to show/hide)

Either way, seems a lot of reviews of this episode were upset with the atheist overtones. Just #SMH.

Like which ones?

Some of those "reviewers" are nuts. Like, one throwaway line at the end of Day of the Moon is the show pushing a "gay agenda" even though a married couple in the TARDIS apparently isn't pushing a "hetero agenda."
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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 18, 2011, 08:48:57 AM
Good point
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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 18, 2011, 10:13:19 AM
Good point
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What if it was the reverse?
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Post by: evensgrey on September 19, 2011, 01:07:37 PM
What if it was the reverse?

I don't think I follow you, there.

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Post by: Virgil0211 on September 19, 2011, 01:12:58 PM
I don't think I follow you, there.

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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on September 23, 2011, 01:14:11 PM
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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 23, 2011, 01:51:04 PM
Autumn 2012 start date for Series 7 confirmed, but there will be no gap.
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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 23, 2011, 01:53:01 PM
Also of interest, in a leaked set pic from the season finale

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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 25, 2011, 08:52:49 AM
Good episode last night, though I'm still waiting for a definitive episode with the Cybermen in it.

The ending obviously puts everything into place for the series finale, should be interesting.
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 25, 2011, 10:41:01 AM
Yes, but now I'm really bummed that River shot the Stetson. It was a gift from Craig, man!
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Post by: Virgil0211 on October 01, 2011, 11:25:07 PM
Yes, but now I'm really bummed that River shot the Stetson. It was a gift from Craig, man!

I don't know about you, but I think the cowboy hat really worked. Then again, maybe that's the Texan in me talking.  :-P

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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on October 02, 2011, 12:03:03 AM
That's the part that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but I'll give Moffat a pass for not taking the easy bait and putting in a Ganger.

Overall, I thought the episode was really good as was the season on the whole. Not quite on par with Series 5, but a very strong season none the less.

Also, the ending with Dorium unloaded a-whole-nother bucket of questions, even with several questions still unanswered. Hopefully this "Fall of the Eleventh" doesn't mean Matt will be leaving next year.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on October 02, 2011, 07:56:25 AM
I don't know about you, but I think the cowboy hat really worked. Then again, maybe that's the Texan in me talking.  :-P

I think Matt Smith is the only man in the universe who could pull off a Stetson with a bow tie!

Spoiler: Series 6 finale (click to show/hide)

Also, the ending with Dorium unloaded a-whole-nother bucket of questions, even with several questions still unanswered. Hopefully this "Fall of the Eleventh" doesn't mean Matt will be leaving next year.

Well, we all know Matt Smith will be leaving SOMETIME, so maybe he's just planting the seeds for that eventuality.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on October 02, 2011, 11:19:56 AM
Spoiler: Series 6 finale (click to show/hide)

From Moffat's tweet this morning:

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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on October 11, 2011, 08:09:53 PM
So, my first idea for Series 7

Series opening two parter see The Doctor and new companion discover that the Silents are working on behalf of Omega, paving the way for him to take over the universe. The Omega/Silent team are on the verge of achieving their goal.

The Doctor has discovered a way to return the Time Lords but has not done so for fear of what they have become. Faced with a potential Omega controlled universe, The Doctor chooses the "devil he knows"and brings forth Gallifrey from out of the Time Lock. In order to release Gallifrey, he has to reveal his true name.

The Time Lords return, but are now lead by The Master. The Doctor and companion flee from the Master controlled Gallifrey, once again a fugitive from his people. The Master begins plotting the creation of a Time Lord empire.

Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on October 15, 2011, 05:32:49 PM
I like the idea of bringing Omega back, although he's not really a megalomaniac sort (after all, his two appearances to date have been about him plotting to get HOME and there being unfortunate consequences).

Now, add in some of those unused ideas about The Doctor from the last season of the original run, and bringing back the Tome Lords (still ruled by the apparently resurrected Rassilon) and you've got some INTERESTING possibilities.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 16, 2011, 12:54:34 PM
Speaking of which, anyone here that has listened to the Audio Plays with the eight Doctor?
Specificaly the one called Shada, authored by Douglas Adams that was never finished because of a writers strike and then got remade into a, well, Audio Play?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on October 16, 2011, 06:37:35 PM
I saw the webimation version of Shada, thought it was very well done. Haven't listened to any of the others.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on October 17, 2011, 09:13:24 AM
I had gotten the impression it was production staff or something that went on strike that killed Shada mid-production.
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Post by: MrBogosity on October 17, 2011, 09:22:44 AM
Correct; a writer's strike wouldn't have done it since the episode was already written.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 17, 2011, 03:38:46 PM
Well... maybe they were the paycheck writers that went on strike.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on October 17, 2011, 03:53:52 PM
According to A Brief History of Time (Travel): 
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This was the latest in a virtually annual series of industrial disputes which had already plagued the recording of The Invasion Of Time and The Armageddon Factor in recent years. In this instance, Roberts had booked two lighting crews for the ambitious nighttime chase sequence which formed the climax of episode two; this was due to be recorded on the 18th. Roberts' plan was to tape a scene with one team while the other went ahead to set up the next location. However, the unions recognised Doctor Who as an important target, and on the 16th they summoned the lighting chargehand back to London. As a result, Roberts had to abandon a shot of the Doctor travelling to the Cavendish Laboratory (where Chris was meant to have his lab), which had also been planned for this day.

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More model and effects work was conducted at Ealing on November 15th and 16th. This should have been followed by a two-day studio block on the 19th and 20th in TC6. By now, however, the labour dispute had escalated. Although rehearsals went ahead as scheduled on the morning of November 19th, cast and crew returned to the studio after lunch to find the doors locked: the industrial action had forced the postponement of all recording at Television Centre.

The fate of Shada was now unclear. Three further studio days were planned for December 1st to 3rd in TC3, but as the strike dragged on, Roberts' team was faced with a new problem. Many of the productions which had been delayed by the strike were Christmas programmes, viewed by the BBC as critical to their broadcast schedule. Consequently, it was unlikely that Shada would retain its original recording dates, even if the strike were settled in time. Roberts proceeded with rehearsals, but on November 30th, Williams met with McDonald to discuss the situation. Williams was forced to reluctantly concede that his Doctor Who swansong would never be completed, and ordered the cast and crew of Shada to stand down. As it happened, the BBC reached an agreement with the unions the very next day.

http://www.shannonsullivan.com/drwho/serials/5m.html
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on October 24, 2011, 05:11:00 PM
It seems like the unions miscalculated.  While it is definitely the case that Doctor Who has long been very important to the British as a cultural thing, it does not seem that the BBC considered it all that important, particularly as at this point they had only just started exporting it recently.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on October 24, 2011, 08:02:34 PM
The show was in Syfy during the David Tennant years, although Syfy treated the show like a red headed step child.
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Post by: MrBogosity on October 24, 2011, 08:06:58 PM
Much as PBS did in the classic era.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on October 25, 2011, 10:57:57 AM
I don't think broadcasters quite know what to do with Doctor Who, of any era.  The classic form was like a group of loosely related miniseries.  The new form is sort of like a standard sci fi drama, but it doesn't have enough episodes a season to be treated like one.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on October 25, 2011, 07:04:59 PM
I don't know about the number of episodes being a problem. The Walking Dead firmly planted itself in geekdom with just 6 episodes last season and a 13 episode run this year.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on October 29, 2011, 10:55:18 PM
I'm not talking about the audience having a problem.  13 episodes of good stories and good ideas and good writing and good acting is better than 26 episodes of mediocre stuff.

I'm talking about the broadcasters having problems fitting odd-formated shows into their schedules.  When you build your schedule around having 22-26 episodes a season, dealing with 13 (which is a LOT of episodes a season for stuff coming out of the UK, 4 or 6 has been more typical, and Doctor Who has always done this) is something of a problem.  Some broadcasters (I'm looking at YOU, Fox!) also tend to have problems with series that have a definite order that the episodes need to been seen in to make sense.  (Firefly, specifically, doesn't make a lot of sense in the order Fox aired it, particularly with the pilot at the END.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on October 30, 2011, 12:33:26 AM
Well, BBC America is the current rights holder to Who and they've clearly figured out Doctor Who is their #1 brand. Leading up to the premiere there was a ton of promotional material.

On another note, it seems the internet is ablaze with some interview Matt Smith did. It seems people are turning his thoughts about doing another year of Doctor Who before trying to do something in America into he's leaving next year. Nevermind he's repeatedly said he's excited to be the "incumbent" Doctor for the show's 50th anniversary season.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on November 13, 2011, 05:05:38 PM
Interesting bit of news

Apparently BBC America is holding casting auditions for a female actress, early 20's-mid 30's, any ethnicity, and must be willing to work in the UK for an extended period of time.

I know the BBC really wants for Doctor Who to catch on in America, I wonder if we'll be getting an American companion this year.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on November 13, 2011, 05:48:22 PM
I remember when they tried that with Peri, and made the insulting decision of hiring a British actress and having her fake an American accent. If your speculation is true, then hopefully they'll be doing it right this time.

But I don't know if it means anything; they are BBC America, and they do make a lot of shows in the UK.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on November 13, 2011, 06:19:51 PM
I thought any BBC America productions were done here in the States, so I would figure this would have to be on the behest of the BBC.

As far as Peri goes, I agree. I joked on Gallifrey Base that the most annoying American accents are the bad ones done by British actors ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on November 13, 2011, 11:50:08 PM
I thought any BBC America productions were done here in the States, so I would figure this would have to be on the behest of the BBC.

As far as Peri goes, I agree. I joked on Gallifrey Base that the most annoying American accents are the bad ones done by British actors ;)

I just heard Captain Jack say 'east'rogen (estrogen) in Torchwood's pilot again. =P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on November 14, 2011, 05:11:22 AM
Actually, that would be "oestrogen."
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on November 15, 2011, 03:14:12 PM
Speaking of Torchwood, has everyone seen Miracle Day?  There's somethign really neat in it, but it's a HUGE spoiler if you haven't seen it.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on November 15, 2011, 03:28:25 PM
I liked Miracle Day. I disagree with the people who say it moved too slowly, it was fine with me, but I'll agree that it might have been even better condensed to 6 episodes.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on November 15, 2011, 07:42:14 PM
For me it seemed like everytime Miracle Day was about to get really interesting things started to fall apart again. Had it been 5 or 6 episodes like Children of Earth it might've worked.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on November 15, 2011, 10:32:51 PM
Yes, I agree that the pacing wasn't so great.  It also had rather too many characters.  (The woman who was the rival media presence, who seems to have been introduced solely so they could have the shot of her eye looking around in the crushed car, for instance.)

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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on November 16, 2011, 08:08:31 AM
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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on November 16, 2011, 08:35:16 AM
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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on November 16, 2011, 03:28:32 PM
The Time Lords never really were meddlers. In fact, I distinctly remember them being mentioned as abunch of "Old Senators who sat around and watched."

That was part of the reason why Time Lords like The Doctor and The Master were so unique.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on November 17, 2011, 06:59:06 PM
The Time Lords were meddlers originally.  It was the complete disaster of their meddling with the Minyans that turned them from pacifists to full-blown isolationists.

(Incidentally, that serial also creates a snag in the new series.  River is apparently wrong about The Doctor flying the TARDIS with the parking brake on in error.  The Minyans recognized the landing sound of the TARDIS as the landing sound of a TARDIS, so the Time Lords have always landed that way.  Perhaps they SHOULDN'T have, but they did.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on November 17, 2011, 07:05:01 PM
River was joking. She landed the TARDIS in stealth mode, as the Doctor did later in The Impossible Astronaut.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on November 19, 2011, 03:02:16 AM
In any case, Time Lords were described as having been quite willing to meddle early in their history, before they caused a lot of harm by screwing things up.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on December 15, 2011, 03:43:07 PM
Hmm. That BBC America casting call is looking more suspicious
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Steven Moffat announces "The final days of the Ponds are coming during the next series. Then the Doctor will meet a new friend"

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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on December 19, 2011, 03:43:45 PM
So who else is excited for the Christmas special? I loved last year's episode, though apparently I'm in the minority on that.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on December 19, 2011, 04:03:05 PM
The title makes me cringe a bit, but I like the previews.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 08, 2012, 07:03:59 AM
Just thought I'd ask some of the more learned whovians about this, but I was thinking the other day about my old crossover idea (Borg assimilating Dalek/Time Lord technology) and I was wondering if there were any parallels in the whoniverse to the Borg, specifically their 'adaptation' element where they adapt to and adopt/repurpose new technologies they encounter. Typically, when one compares the Borg to a race in the whoniverse, they're compared to the Cybermen. However, while the Cybermen are similar in the 'convert the local inhabitants and overwhelm by swarming' element, they seem to be driven to standardize others to their specifications rather than adopt newer technologies. In this manner, the Daleks, albeit powerful, are the opposite of the borg. So, I guess I'm asking, is there a race in the whoniverse that shares this trait with the borg?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on February 08, 2012, 07:21:52 AM
In this manner, the Daleks, albeit powerful, are the opposite of the borg. So, I guess I'm asking, is there a race in the whoniverse that shares this trait with the borg?

No, we saw the Daleks do this: in The Chase, they apparently stole a Time Lord time capsule and this was probably how they eventually learned time travel. In Planet of the Daleks, the Daleks had developed a hover platform allowing them to move vertically for the first time. It's true that their delusions of superiority led to stagnation as well as a stalemate in the Movellan War, but thanks to Davros they were able to gain the ability to adapt (although this led to the Dalek Civil War, with the upgraded Daleks fighting the traditional Daleks who thought that the upgraded ones weren't pure Dalek, and were therefore inferior--guess who won). So they finally get the hover technology built-in in Remembrance of the Daleks, which of course was demonstrated in Dalek and pretty much every Dalek story since then. And of course there was the latest upgrade in Victory of the Daleks.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on February 09, 2012, 09:12:45 AM
However the Daleks got their time travel technology in The Chase, the evidently lost it (or never had it, or didn't have it yet) for Remembrance of the Daleks, since one of the reasons they wanted the Hand of Omega was to transform a star into a suitable power source to replicate the experiments that led to Time Lord time travel technology (and didn't end of getting it, of course).  (One idea floating around is that the influence The Doctor had on long-term Dalek development in Genesis of the Daleks resulted in their being a completely different Dalek history, in which the were actually much less of a threat, mostly due to Davros, who actually kinda sucks at being an evil mastermind, having a much greater role in that history.)

Daleks have been shown using different forms of time travel (as have a few other races), all much cruder than TARDIS technology.

As far as assimilating technology in a manner like the Borg, there really don't seem to be any groups that do that, at least that have been shown.  Lots of races will scavenge technology (particularly humans), but nobody has been shown as going out and looking for technology to grab.  There are at least four races that could, but two are more interested in fighting each other than looking for other people's tech (the Sontarans and Rutans, both of whom have extremely high technology already), the Daleks (who are more interested in killing every other living thing in the universe, and have almost the best technology anyway) and the Time Lords, who are the most insular people in the known universe and already KNOW that they have the very best technology.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 09, 2012, 11:23:24 AM
However the Daleks got their time travel technology in The Chase, the evidently lost it (or never had it, or didn't have it yet) for Remembrance of the Daleks, since one of the reasons they wanted the Hand of Omega was to transform a star into a suitable power source to replicate the experiments that led to Time Lord time travel technology (and didn't end of getting it, of course).  (One idea floating around is that the influence The Doctor had on long-term Dalek development in Genesis of the Daleks resulted in their being a completely different Dalek history, in which the were actually much less of a threat, mostly due to Davros, who actually kinda sucks at being an evil mastermind, having a much greater role in that history.)

Daleks have been shown using different forms of time travel (as have a few other races), all much cruder than TARDIS technology.

As far as assimilating technology in a manner like the Borg, there really don't seem to be any groups that do that, at least that have been shown.  Lots of races will scavenge technology (particularly humans), but nobody has been shown as going out and looking for technology to grab.  There are at least four races that could, but two are more interested in fighting each other than looking for other people's tech (the Sontarans and Rutans, both of whom have extremely high technology already), the Daleks (who are more interested in killing every other living thing in the universe, and have almost the best technology anyway) and the Time Lords, who are the most insular people in the known universe and already KNOW that they have the very best technology.

Thanks for both of your answers. I guess I had a thought that my idea for a Trek/Who crossover (which was primarily inspired by the idea of the Borg assimilating the tech if the Daleks and the large population of the cybermen) wouldn't necessarily require a crossover if there was a 'borg-like' antagonist already in the continuity. At the very least, I'd be willing to bet the Who writers would be able to keep the Borg effective as a threat more so than Berman and Braga. Heck, mix in a little 'best of both worlds' and doctor crossovers, you could have an excuse to bring back Eccleston as a guest star. =P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on February 09, 2012, 11:42:55 AM
and the Time Lords, who are the most insular people in the known universe and already KNOW that they have the very best technology.

The Time Lords weren't like that at first, when they first gained their technology. They did a LOT of pilfering from other races to get to where they were--and they used much of that technology to take other races and put them together and have them fight for their amusement. The isolationist policy didn't take place until after all of this--maybe in large part because of it--and from then they rested on their laurels, stagnating as a culture until they had all but forgotten how the technology works to begin with.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 10, 2012, 04:34:07 PM
Holy crap...

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2012/02/make_it_geronimo.php

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/10/scoop-doctor-who-star-trek-official-crossover/

For those who do not wish to linky...

(http://www.toplessrobot.com/DoctorWhoStarTrekCrossover.jpg)


This should be enough of an explanation. :-P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on February 10, 2012, 05:12:20 PM
Hah, nice. I guess you already have it pre-ordered ;)

On another note, wondering just what the production team is up to. Confirmed they are filming 14 episodes plus a 50th anniversary specials. I just hope this isn't a precursor to Matt Smith leaving after Season 7 (or that 7 is going to serve as both the 2012 and 2013 episodes)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on February 10, 2012, 06:13:41 PM
No, Matt Smith has no plans to leave yet. He's still saying he'll take it one year at a time.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 10, 2012, 06:25:57 PM
(http://www.toplessrobot.com/DoctorWhoStarTrekCrossover.jpg)

That "UUUUUNNNNNNNGGGGGH" sound I just heard was that of thousands of nerds creaming their pants.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 10, 2012, 07:37:36 PM
That "UUUUUNNNNNNNGGGGGH" sound I just heard was that of thousands of nerds creaming their pants.

considering that the redhead is pretty cute, can't blame them. :P

that and the mere fact that this is Dr. Who in what I'm assuming is the star-ship Enterprise. Somewhere in Texas, my mom just died and went to heaven.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 11, 2012, 02:54:56 PM
That "UUUUUNNNNNNNGGGGGH" sound I just heard was that of thousands of nerds creaming their pants.

As if millions of voices cried out in joy and were suddenly exhausted...

Dear god. All we need now is a Who/Trek/B5/Star Wars crossover...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 13, 2012, 10:34:17 AM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/13/doctor-who-star-trek-crossover-will-bring-borg-cybermen/

This just in- the crossover shall feature Borg and Cybermen as the villains. Was hoping for borg/dalek, but you take what you can get, eh?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on February 16, 2012, 12:46:42 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/13/doctor-who-star-trek-crossover-will-bring-borg-cybermen/

This just in- the crossover shall feature Borg and Cybermen as the villains. Was hoping for borg/dalek, but you take what you can get, eh?

Daleks don't play well with others.

On the other hand, Borg and Cybermen are...compatible.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 17, 2012, 11:17:08 AM
Daleks don't play well with others.

On the other hand, Borg and Cybermen are...compatible.

Well, I meant 'Borg assimilate Daleks' rather than an outright team-up. Hell, I don't see a whole lot of ways that the Daleks would voluntarily team up with the Borg. The Borg assimilate because 'we are striving toward a state of perfection', and are at least theoretically built on the rather emotionless logic of the hive mind. Daleks exterminate because 'we are perfect and strive to impose our perfection on the imperfection of the universe' and are driven by fanatical bigotry and a lust for conquest. Any such alliances would be temporary at best, and would probably result in one trying to double cross the other. Either the Daleks manage to destroy the Borg, in which case it'd devolve into another 'Doctor VS Dalek' story and eliminate the motivation for a crossover, or the Borg assimilate the Daleks. At this point, the Borg would gain knowledge of the necessary technology for casual time travel, technology equivalent to a class III species (which, as far as I know, the Borg haven't quite achieved yet, at best being between class II and class III), and knowledge of the last great Time War (also, assuming this is in any way related to current continuity, knowledge from the Daleks who broke through the Time Lock). Imagine the reaction on the Doctor's face when he realizes that his greatest enemy will meet their final end only to give rise to something far more horrifying; A force with the massive numbers of the Cybermen equipped with the technology of the Daleks and the Time Lords, all the horrors of the war he sought so desperately to end that he sacrificed his own people to do it. A last ditch effort to stop the Borg from breaking the time lock, an apparent victory darkened by the realization that one small group of drones managed to break through, followed by the emergence of the Borg after consuming everything within. At the front, acting as a single voice to represent this new horde, the 9th Doctor flanked by The Master and Rassilon - all assimilated, and then the Borg standard hail is heard throughout the universe.

At least, that'd be my pitch to the studio if I were throwing out ideas. :-P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 23, 2012, 12:52:48 AM
Well, I meant 'Borg assimilate Daleks' rather than an outright team-up. Hell, I don't see a whole lot of ways that the Daleks would voluntarily team up with the Borg. The Borg assimilate because 'we are striving toward a state of perfection', and are at least theoretically built on the rather emotionless logic of the hive mind. Daleks exterminate because 'we are perfect and strive to impose our perfection on the imperfection of the universe' and are driven by fanatical bigotry and a lust for conquest. Any such alliances would be temporary at best, and would probably result in one trying to double cross the other. Either the Daleks manage to destroy the Borg, in which case it'd devolve into another 'Doctor VS Dalek' story and eliminate the motivation for a crossover, or the Borg assimilate the Daleks. At this point, the Borg would gain knowledge of the necessary technology for casual time travel, technology equivalent to a class III species (which, as far as I know, the Borg haven't quite achieved yet, at best being between class II and class III), and knowledge of the last great Time War (also, assuming this is in any way related to current continuity, knowledge from the Daleks who broke through the Time Lock). Imagine the reaction on the Doctor's face when he realizes that his greatest enemy will meet their final end only to give rise to something far more horrifying; A force with the massive numbers of the Cybermen equipped with the technology of the Daleks and the Time Lords, all the horrors of the war he sought so desperately to end that he sacrificed his own people to do it. A last ditch effort to stop the Borg from breaking the time lock, an apparent victory darkened by the realization that one small group of drones managed to break through, followed by the emergence of the Borg after consuming everything within. At the front, acting as a single voice to represent this new horde, the 9th Doctor flanked by The Master and Rassilon - all assimilated, and then the Borg standard hail is heard throughout the universe.

At least, that'd be my pitch to the studio if I were throwing out ideas. :-P

Further comment on above-

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Where do you guys usually go for news about when the next Doctor Who episodes will air and what the general premise will be?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 23, 2012, 06:28:15 PM
I dunno if that would work: the last attempt at a trans-universal merger in story form was IMHO opinion a complete disaster (Crisis on infinite earth IIRC- though it is DC, not marvel).

though if they can do it right, it would be awesome!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on February 24, 2012, 11:26:10 AM
I dunno if that would work: the last attempt at a trans-universal merger in story form was IMHO opinion a complete disaster (Crisis on infinite earth IIRC- though it is DC, not marvel).

though if they can do it right, it would be awesome!

I always thought that the whole idea of Crisis was to fix the horrendous continuity mess DC had made for themselves out of sheer laziness (by not bothering to even try, while Marvel had people who's entire job was to try and prevent continuity errors from creeping in, which they were fairly good at, but not perfect).

It is, however, very, VERY hard to do a good crossover story.  The story is going to come across as, at minimum, very strange to at least one group of fans because it's going to not be in the normal style of at least one side in the crossover.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 28, 2012, 04:07:03 PM
I always thought that the whole idea of Crisis was to fix the horrendous continuity mess DC had made for themselves out of sheer laziness (by not bothering to even try, while Marvel had people who's entire job was to try and prevent continuity errors from creeping in, which they were fairly good at, but not perfect).

It is, however, very, VERY hard to do a good crossover story.  The story is going to come across as, at minimum, very strange to at least one group of fans because it's going to not be in the normal style of at least one side in the crossover.

sorry for the delay here-just didn't see this thread till now. anyways:

you are right-it was written to sort out continuities*, but it still didn't work out: I say it ended badly, largely because it entailed afterwards that the events in the DC universe would jump ahead one year, and that in and of itself created some god-awful spinoffs (like countdown-another crossover*)-which only make the problem worse IMO. though I do admit, it did at least give us one good set: 52.

and herein lay the challenge: not only does it need to somehow be "normal" style to some of the fan-base, but also, it shouldn't be over developed into something that is a worse mess than before.

and don't get me started on Marvel: I'm still angry over it having spider-man selling his soul/marriage to the devil. srsly, what the hell?

*I personally count it as a crossover, as it entails people from other "earths" being involved in the story-an interdementional crossover.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on March 23, 2012, 12:45:33 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/doctor-who-jenna-louise-coleman_n_1369255.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/doctor-who-jenna-louise-coleman_n_1369255.html)

Jenna-Louise Coleman will be the next companion. Also, BIG spoiler for series 7 contained in BBC America's tweet
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on March 23, 2012, 12:49:50 PM
Also Moffat confirmed what many have suspected, Series 7 will start in autumn with the new companion making her first appearance during the Christmas episode. 8 more episodes in the beginning of 2013 with more episodes to follow afterwards.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on March 23, 2012, 02:03:42 PM
Yeah, hopefully it means they're setting up for something big for the 50th Anniversary.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 23, 2012, 07:14:55 PM
Also Moffat confirmed what many have suspected, Series 7 will start in autumn with the new companion making her first appearance during the Christmas episode. 8 more episodes in the beginning of 2013 with more episodes to follow afterwards.

but think of the fan service!!!  :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on March 27, 2012, 09:02:17 PM
First Series 7 trailer!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 28, 2012, 01:17:42 AM
"Everybody who is not an American, drop you gun!"

that is officially the most awesome thing ever heard this march by my ears. it helps that to its advantage it comes hours after I got a phone call telling me I was rejected from yet another university's graduate program*-making the win all the more soothingly enjoyable and entertaining.


jeez, I sound like a wrestling commentator. :-\


* at least the pofessor didn't call on my birthday, like some other places I know *cough*University*cough*of*cough*Cincinnati*. and he did offer me a potential job, so I can't complain too much.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on March 28, 2012, 09:43:53 AM
Yeah, hopefully it means they're setting up for something big for the 50th Anniversary.

Well, a couple of obvious things:  The entire point of the last two seasons was setting up the big reveal of The Doctor's name, and that this event is so destructive (to someone, at least) that an entire civilization has dedicated themselves to destroying him before he can do so.  (The Silence are either incredibly brave or terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought.  The Doctor has frequently destroyed entire civilizations because they were bent on doing something he couldn't allow.)

The other thing is the newest iteration of the Daleks were redesigned to bring them eye-to-eyestalk with Amy Pond, which is why they're taller than the previous version which was eye-to-eyestalk with Rose.  Why bother doing that unless there's a plan for a grand confrontation?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on March 28, 2012, 02:02:37 PM
The Silence are either incredibly brave or terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought.

Given the fact that they tried to blow up the TARDIS in The Big Bang and end all of existence, I'd say the latter.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on March 28, 2012, 02:15:39 PM
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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 02, 2012, 04:12:12 PM
Watched abunch of episodes on Netflix over the weekend so I'm in a Whovian mood.

Story idea I have for a 50th anniversary, it would probably work better as a short but here it goes.

You have a similar event to Time Crash, two Tardises collide. Catch is the control rooms are seperate so you have the Doctor working with this other Time Lord. At the end of the episode you find out its a young First Doctor.

Dialogue would be a bit tricky to write so that you think its refering to things like the Time War, but it is doable. Also, with Moffatt's attitude towards time travel paradoxes, I could see The Doctor giving himself the idea to hang out on Earth or something else similar.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on February 09, 2015, 08:03:06 PM
So for those of you who've been wanting to get into the series but were disappointed that Netflix didn't have much in the way of classic episodes, it looks like a good amount of them are on Daily Motion:

http://www.dailymotion.com/us/relevance/universal/search/doctor+who+an+unearthly+child/1

Unfortunately, they don't seem to have them at all organized, so you'll have to consult an episode list to get you going:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doctor_Who_serials
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on February 13, 2015, 06:24:10 AM
Classic Doctor Who and the TARDIS on Facebook have their own advice for people wanting to get into the classic series:

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CLASSIC DOCTOR WHO AND THE TARDIS' GUIDE TO WATCHING CLASSIC WHO FOR THE FIRST TIME.
1. Don't start at the beginning. Classic Who has a slower pace to new who and to appreciate the stories who need to get into it gradually and many who have started with An Unearthly Child give up. We advise you to start from The Fourth Doctor and work your way through till you have caught up with the Movie and then when your hooked start with the first and work forwards. This sounds weird but there are only a few oldies that started with Mr Hartnell, most started with Tom as a kid or one of the 80s Doctor's and then went back as videos came into being. This is not me saying there is anything wrong with the first 3 Doctors (these Doctors have most of my favourite stories) it's just, as a starting off point, if you are not used to the pacing, you are more likely to be put off.
2. Try watching a few random recommended stories to get started eg The Pyramids of Mars or The Five Doctor's, just to settle you in.
3. Don't expect sophisticated CGI effects. CGI either didn't exist or was in its infancy when these were recorded. Yes the fx do look basic to our eyes today but these were the most sophisticated at there time and if you compare them to other TV programming of there era with the same budget, they are very good. Concentrate on the story line, most classic Who fans learn to look past the fx and appreciate the atmosphere of the storytelling.
4. Look out for influences on New who. Who can watch the fourth Doctor setting the destruction of the Zygons spaceship without thinking of The tenth Doctor destroying the family of Bloods ship or watch The Robots of death without seeing the robots in Voyage of the damned. It's these little moments that will make your viewing experience so much more enjoyable.
5. If you get bored of one story move on to the next. Like New Who, there are going to be stories you hate and some you love. Every era has it's good and bad stories it's rare for there to be a run of stories you will hate.
6. HAVE FUN you have almost 26 continuous years and a tv movie to catch up on.
Happy Watching.
(Chris)

He's got a point. The Fourth Doctor was da bomb!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on February 13, 2015, 07:05:13 AM
Classic Doctor Who and the TARDIS on Facebook have their own advice for people wanting to get into the classic series:

He's got a point. The Fourth Doctor was da bomb!

Although City of Death is just WAY creepy on so many levels.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on February 13, 2015, 08:15:05 AM
Although City of Death is just WAY creepy on so many levels.

Oh, that was one of the best! (And it's Doctor Who--it's SUPPOSED to be creepy on many levels!)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on February 13, 2015, 10:04:18 AM
Oh, that was one of the best! (And it's Doctor Who--it's SUPPOSED to be creepy on many levels!)

I don't think it's supposed to give off that creepy pedophile vibe City of Death does.

(Romana is dressed as a schoolgirl and carries it off really successfully, particularly so given that Lalla Ward was 28 at the time.  Lalla Ward's said that Romana and the Doctor were in love, and there's clearly something going on between the characters that looks really inappropriate for the ages the appear to be.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on February 13, 2015, 10:50:33 AM
I don't think it's supposed to give off that creepy pedophile vibe City of Death does.

(Romana is dressed as a schoolgirl and carries it off really successfully, particularly so given that Lalla Ward was 28 at the time.  Lalla Ward's said that Romana and the Doctor were in love, and there's clearly something going on between the characters that looks really inappropriate for the ages the appear to be.)

They were in love off-camera, and might have even been married at the time. Besides, she gives her age in the episode as 125 (and since she said 140 in The Ribos Operation she's probably lying about it anyway).

And who doesn't love a bit of cosplay anyway?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on February 13, 2015, 12:13:15 PM
They were in love off-camera, and might have even been married at the time. Besides, she gives her age in the episode as 125 (and since she said 140 in The Ribos Operation she's probably lying about it anyway).

And who doesn't love a bit of cosplay anyway?

They got married the following year.  It turned out to be a fairly poor idea and only lasted three years.  Lalla has since said that they mistook their characters being in love for them being in love.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on February 13, 2015, 03:39:42 PM
They got married the following year.  It turned out to be a fairly poor idea and only lasted three years.  Lalla has since said that they mistook their characters being in love for them being in love.

Tom Baker's written a lot about that. He was going through really bad times, and preferred to go off drinking instead of being with her. He said Lalla suggested they take some time apart, he agreed, and they never saw each other again.

Looking through the excerpts of his autobiography posted to his website, he had a very tortured life. His first marriage ended with him abandoning his kids after attempting to commit suicide and murder his mother-in-law. Doctor Who was a saving grace for him, but it wasn't until he married Sue Jerrard that he was finally able to find peace.

He blames his Catholic upbringing for a lot of the mental trauma. They even forced him to repeat "I am nothing" over and over again.

A lot of it's here: http://thomas-stewart-baker.com/article04.html
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MrBogosity on February 13, 2015, 03:43:11 PM
Now, if you want to talk creepy:

You had Five, Nyssa, Tegan, and Adric. The BBC were so worried about any perceptions that The Doctor might be having sex with his companions that they said he was never to put his arm around Nyssa or Tegan, with the result being that you only ever saw him do it with the young Adric. Yeah, no possibility of misperceptions there...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 16, 2015, 12:23:20 AM
Now, if you want to talk creepy:

You had Five, Nyssa, Tegan, and Adric. The BBC were so worried about any perceptions that The Doctor might be having sex with his companions that they said he was never to put his arm around Nyssa or Tegan, with the result being that you only ever saw him do it with the young Adric. Yeah, no possibility of misperceptions there...

Dr. Who, agent of NAMBLA. Now that would be something to tell mom: she'd flip!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: evensgrey on February 16, 2015, 09:02:19 AM
Now, if you want to talk creepy:

You had Five, Nyssa, Tegan, and Adric. The BBC were so worried about any perceptions that The Doctor might be having sex with his companions that they said he was never to put his arm around Nyssa or Tegan, with the result being that you only ever saw him do it with the young Adric. Yeah, no possibility of misperceptions there...

And this is while they changed Nyssa's outfit from having a large, complex skirt and flats to skin tight jeans and high heels.  (Which, it is implied, the Doctor must have supplied her with, since she's not shown to have any source of clothing other than what's available in the TARDIS.  Then, when they wrote the character out of the show, she spent most of her final adventure in just her underwear.)