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Title: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: MrBogosity on October 16, 2008, 05:29:23 PM
This is more of a placeholder right now...I really want to do this episode, and it's one of the most-requested topics, but I want to take the time to do it right.

Feel free to go ahead and recommend videos on both sides. I figure Loose Change is a good one to use as a basis for debunking. I also have the BBC Horizon episode Fall of the World Trade Center, although it's a low-resolution Google Video version and I'd like to find a DVD-quality version.

I have various AP clips of the event, but I'd like to get clips of Tower 7 from the damaged side (which the conspiracy nuts never show) and some good videos of actual skyscraper implosions for comparison.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Tom S. Fox on October 18, 2008, 08:29:40 PM
Have you read Maddox' piece (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons) on this topic?
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: BZ987654 on October 18, 2008, 08:30:27 PM
Have you read Maddox' piece (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons) on this topic?

LOL, he used common sense to debunk it. I have to admit it was pretty funny.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Andy120290 on October 18, 2008, 08:36:33 PM
Loose Change is really THE 9/11 conspiracy video in my opinion. I have seen it cited numerous times. It has got almost every one of the usual claims (although I do not think WTC 7 was really covered in detail). There is a really great point-by-point debunk of it called Screw Loose Change. You can watch it here (3 hours long):

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

9/11 conspiracies would make a great episode of Bogosity, but it would probably also be the most controversial because not only does it involve an event that killed nearly 3,000 people, but it is also something that a lot of people actually believe.

As long as you do not get into the really riduculous claims. Did you know that some people believe the Mafia pulled the whole thing off?
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Tom S. Fox on October 18, 2008, 08:41:12 PM
Also, the US government was not even able to cover up Clinton's blowjob, and now it is suddenly supposed to be able to pull off such a coup?
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: MrBogosity on October 18, 2008, 08:43:03 PM
Have you read Maddox' piece (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons) on this topic?

It's good, except that Glenn Beck was parodying the "truthers." You can see how he really feels about them in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnKppff5yQ8

(I'll have to look into a way of embedding YouTube videos here...)
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: MrBogosity on October 18, 2008, 09:03:03 PM
Okay, if this works, you should be able to embed a YouTube video with the tag:

Code: [Select]
[yt](string of characters after "watch?v=" in the URL)[/yt]
So, for the above video, this:

Code: [Select]
[yt]SnKppff5yQ8[/yt]
should result in this:


Edit: Yay! It's working!
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: BZ987654 on October 18, 2008, 09:10:54 PM
Have you read Maddox' piece (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons) on this topic?

It's good, except that Glenn Beck was parodying the "truthers." You can see how he really feels about them in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnKppff5yQ8

(I'll have to look into a way of embedding YouTube videos here...)

I wonder if just posting the embed code would work. It does on other message boards.

Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: MrBogosity on October 18, 2008, 09:13:20 PM

I wonder if just posting the embed code would work. It does on other message boards.


No, it only allows limited HTML (which I haven't even turned on). I'm trying to make a custom tag with a mod. I'll figure it out.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: BZ987654 on October 18, 2008, 09:15:18 PM

I wonder if just posting the embed code would work. It does on other message boards.


No, it only allows limited HTML (which I haven't even turned on). I'm trying to make a custom tag with a mod. I'll figure it out.

Ok, that works, probably best not to turn it on anyway.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: BZ987654 on October 18, 2008, 09:31:51 PM
Okay, if this works, you should be able to embed a YouTube video with the tag:

Code: [Select]
[yt](string of characters after "watch?v=" in the URL)[/yt]
So, for the above video, this:

Code: [Select]
[yt]SnKppff5yQ8[/yt]
should result in this:


Edit: Yay! It's working!

Awesome, you're the man
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: lennyhipp on October 23, 2008, 01:01:54 PM
hasn't all the videos bashing 9/11 conspiracy lunacy been done to death?
what else needs to be said?  Unless you're coming up with a new video not debunked yet, or a new angle, i think there's other things you could be smashing the bogons out of...

like EXPELLED for instance!  :)

I'm sure you'll do a great job, but if someone already did a 3hr debunking of LOOSE CHANGE, then they were probably pretty thorough!  :)

my .03¢

Leonard
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: MrBogosity on October 23, 2008, 01:12:01 PM
I've got a surprise coming up regarding Expelled, when I get a chance to finish it all up...
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Real Captain Olimar on October 23, 2008, 05:00:27 PM
"Lord of the Rings and the Bogon Storms."
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Tom S. Fox on October 23, 2008, 05:07:54 PM
I've got a surprise coming up regarding Expelled, when I get a chance to finish it all up...

Hmm, I’m looking forward to that!
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: MrBogosity on October 23, 2008, 05:44:57 PM
hasn't all the videos bashing 9/11 conspiracy lunacy been done to death?
what else needs to be said?  Unless you're coming up with a new video not debunked yet, or a new angle, i think there's other things you could be smashing the bogons out of...

like EXPELLED for instance!  :)

I'm sure you'll do a great job, but if someone already did a 3hr debunking of LOOSE CHANGE, then they were probably pretty thorough!  :)

my .03¢

Leonard

I've got an angle I think I want to do, that goes beyond a simple debunking, but I don't know if I can pull it off or not.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: rhinovirus on October 23, 2008, 05:45:56 PM
Here is a related parody on loose change
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Tom S. Fox on October 23, 2008, 06:19:17 PM
Good ol’ Maddox.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: IceSage on October 23, 2008, 11:30:00 PM
hasn't all the videos bashing 9/11 conspiracy lunacy been done to death?
what else needs to be said?

True. But even people who witness these things, or could easily research the tons of other places that debunk it... still think it's real. Tons of resources exist, but people still go around thinking it's true.

Also, I think Shane does a very logical, detailed, and comprehensive job in explaining things.

Anyway... There's a LOT of things online that even make me go, "Wait... what?" So, Shane really needs to do this right and cover all grounds. Some examples are:

"All the people saying the same things, in the same manner."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO9s8nNysWg

"People way too eager and way too composed to explain the situation."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEgHU6pS-tg

"Eye witness reports that reporters are 'disappointed' to hear."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AfTyOyKEEQ

"Reports and people saying there's no plane, then news stations always saying. 'NO, we just saw another plane! It was a plane.' while people say, 'Are you sure? I dont see a plane.' "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqjKeBS1JwE

Also, this video is a good one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH21gKbEllM

If you ever do this... Watch out. These are the types of questions and responses you'll get. In fact, everytime I start to research this crap I always find things that even convince ME that there weren't any planes and there was a conspiracy.

That's why I'd love someone like Shane to pool together in one video all of the videos out there, the stuff I linked above, etc.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Real Captain Olimar on October 28, 2008, 07:40:51 PM
Okay, if this works, you should be able to embed a YouTube video with the tag:

Code: [Select]
[yt](string of characters after "watch?v=" in the URL)[/yt]
So, for the above video, this:

Code: [Select]
[yt]SnKppff5yQ8[/yt]
should result in this:


Edit: Yay! It's working!

Awesome, you're the man

now, dog!
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: FelleAndersson on November 02, 2008, 02:12:16 PM

A video that claims it can't be debunked :O
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: BZ987654 on November 02, 2008, 02:44:11 PM


A video that claims it can't be debunked :O

lol, yeah, a 3rd grader could debunk that.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Real Captain Olimar on November 03, 2008, 07:52:03 AM
Here is a related parody on loose change

What about th Giant Rainbow Hamster? He could have sunk it!
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: ffejpsycho on January 03, 2009, 02:26:34 AM
This is a youtuber with some great 9-11Truther debunking vids, I believe he covers all, or most of the arguments...

RKOwens - http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4 (http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4)
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Sinlingual on January 03, 2009, 05:21:24 PM
This is a youtuber with some great 9-11Truther debunking vids, I believe he covers all, or most of the arguments...

RKOwens - http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4 (http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4)
Great link. I honestly think you should do this next. Throw in some cap'n awesome clips for humour would be cool too.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Real Captain Olimar on January 10, 2009, 11:37:51 AM
This is a youtuber with some great 9-11Truther debunking vids, I believe he covers all, or most of the arguments...

RKOwens - http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4 (http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4)

Well, bye bye airplane.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Andy120290 on January 10, 2009, 03:21:28 PM
You know, I have noticed that 9/11 conspiracy theorists act a lot like Moon hoaxers. They put out a bunch riduculous claims that no one person would have the time to debunk and no matter how many get debunked they are always throwing out more theories. I mean, just look at Loose Change. Since when does the "definitive truth" about a subject have to be updated three times (and yes, four versions of Loose Change have been released).

Besides, you still got to love those ridiculous Loose Change parodies.

Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: MrBogosity on January 10, 2009, 08:06:50 PM
At least they're coming up with new stuff. That's more than I can say for the creationists.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Tom S. Fox on January 10, 2009, 08:16:21 PM
That’s because creationists think that things that change are wrong by default.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: ffejpsycho on January 13, 2009, 03:38:15 PM
At least they're coming up with new stuff. That's more than I can say for the creationists.

That is because even these crackpot conspiracy theories are more plausible than creationism. Although not by much
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Real Captain Olimar on January 15, 2009, 07:35:19 PM
You know, I have noticed that 9/11 conspiracy theorists act a lot like Moon hoaxers. They put out a bunch riduculous claims that no one person would have the time to debunk and no matter how many get debunked they are always throwing out more theories. I mean, just look at Loose Change. Since when does the "definitive truth" about a subject have to be updated three times (and yes, four versions of Loose Change have been released).

Besides, you still got to love those ridiculous Loose Change parodies.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: notional on February 17, 2009, 07:20:40 PM
Hey Shane,

You might want to use some footage from Alex Jones' "Martial Law 911 Rise of Police State" since he's a pretty big figurehead in the whole truther movement.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4382151310886411718&ei=8FKbSaXhOZSe-wGih-TkCw&q=Alex+Jones+police+state&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4382151310886411718&ei=8FKbSaXhOZSe-wGih-TkCw&q=Alex+Jones+police+state&hl=en)
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Sinlingual on February 21, 2009, 08:15:58 PM
<embed id="VideoPlayback" src="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-3214024953129565561&hl=en&fs=true" style="width:400px;height:326px" allowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"> </embed>

good debunking of loose change
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Tom S. Fox on February 21, 2009, 08:48:11 PM
Hey, this is like Shane’s lie-correcting subtitles.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: carlos on March 09, 2009, 10:50:05 PM
well i hope this episode comes out soon because im stuck in the middle and im not quite shure what 2 belive
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: 11mc22 on March 09, 2009, 10:56:53 PM
well i hope this episode comes out soon because im stuck in the middle and im not quite shure what 2 belive

uh oh.
well anyways there is a whole youtube channel dedicated to debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories. you will just have to search for it, it takes you like 10 seconds to find out.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: 11mc22 on March 09, 2009, 10:58:07 PM
i found it

http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: 11mc22 on March 09, 2009, 11:00:32 PM
oh nvm ffejpsycho already posted rkowens4 channel on this topic.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Real Captain Olimar on March 24, 2009, 05:39:32 PM
That’s because creationists think that things that change are wrong by default.

Butterflies change, and crreationists don't say THEY'RE wrong by default. You gotta cut down on the hasty generalization, dude.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Tom S. Fox on March 25, 2009, 07:15:21 PM
RCO, I ... I’m starting to hate you. Especially your guts. There, you managed to turn me into the stereotypical angry, hating atheist; I hope you are happy now! Go, before I tell you to DIAF.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Real Captain Olimar on March 30, 2009, 06:41:43 PM
RCO, I ... I’m starting to hate you. Especially your guts. There, you managed to turn me into the stereotypical angry, hating atheist; I hope you are happy now! Go, before I tell you to DIAF.

Well, you DID use a logical fallacy, Thomas Shark Canine, so there, I rest my case.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Tom S. Fox on March 30, 2009, 06:52:40 PM
Thomas Shark Canine?
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Andy120290 on March 30, 2009, 08:25:14 PM
Thomas Shark Canine?

Sounds likes a bastardization of your username. I think it would be best to ignore Real Captain Olimar from here on out.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Tom S. Fox on March 30, 2009, 09:47:34 PM
Yeah, I kinda did plan that.

Also, I knew it was supposed to be a bastardization of my username, but it is not a very good one.
Thomas is actually my name.
Why did he think S stands for Shark?
And Fox/Canine, how clever.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: MrBogosity on March 30, 2009, 10:16:41 PM
Yeah, like "canine" is some kind of major insult or something...
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: ffejpsycho on March 31, 2009, 12:40:40 AM
\I think it would be best to ignore Real Captain Olimar from here on out.

I don't think he would allow that...

BTW... Is RCO actually a spamming creationist? or just a a troll saying random crazy shit for the lulz?

If the former, it is quite sad.
If the latter however, some of the stuff he says is mildly humorous, in a silly non-sensical kind of way...
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Real Captain Olimar on March 31, 2009, 04:20:47 PM
I don't think he would allow that...

BTW... Is RCO actually a spamming creationist? or just a a troll saying random crazy shit for the lulz?

If the former, it is quite sad.
If the latter however, some of the stuff he says is mildly humorous, in a silly non-sensical kind of way...

I'm neither. I'm just trying to get others to see my apparently idiotic input.

That's it.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: ffejpsycho on April 01, 2009, 01:00:04 AM
I'm neither. I'm just trying to get others to see my apparently idiotic input.

That's it.

That's the thing not all of it is idiotic, Some of it is kinda funny (If they are not meant to be serious posts)
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: JaquesPlafond on July 09, 2009, 08:02:41 PM
Personally, i consider this one of the best 911 vids.. it contains a lot of good info. Enjoy!

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145&hl=nl

It's all good fun to debunk the regular nonsensical 'missile in the pentagon' and 'no jets but holograms' nonsense, but i suggest that for once someone really looks into this subject a bit more deeply. There's enough cheap shots out there already, after all.

If this episode is going to be made, i think it'd be interesting to look at how 9/11 has been used bij 'the government', and still IS being used, to push all sorts of political agendas..

I'd like to close with the key points formulated by PNAC

Among the key conclusions of PNAC's defense strategy document (Rebuilding America's Defenses) were the following [3]:

-"Develop and deploy global missile defenses to defend the American homeland and American allies, and to provide a secure basis for U.S. power projection around the world."
-"Control the new 'international commons' of space and 'cyberspace,' and pave the way for the creation of a new military service--U.S. Space Forces--with the mission of space control."
-"Increase defense spending, adding $15 billion to $20 billion to total defense spending annually."
-"Exploit the 'revolution in military affairs' [transformation to high-tech, unmanned weaponry] to insure the long-term superiority of U.S. conventional forces."
-"Need to develop a new family of nuclear weapons designed to address new sets of military requirements" complaining that the U.S. has "virtually ceased development of safer and more effective nuclear weapons."
-"Facing up to the realities of multiple constabulary missions that will require a permanent allocation of U.S. forces."
-"America must defend its homeland" by "reconfiguring its nuclear force" and by missile defense systems that "counteract the effects of the proliferation of ballistic missiles and weapons of mass destruction."
-"Need for a larger U.S. security perimeter" and the U.S. "should seek to establish a network of 'deployment bases' or 'forward operating bases' to increase the reach of current and future forces," citing the need to move beyond Western Europe and Northeast Asia to increased permanent military presence in Southeast Asia and "other regions of East Asia." Necessary "to cope with the rise of China to great-power status."
-Redirecting the U.S. Air Force to move "toward a global first-strike force."
-End the Clinton administration's "devotion" to the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty.
-"North Korea, Iran, Iraq, or similar states [should not be allowed] to undermine American leadership, intimidate American allies, or threaten the American homeland itself."
-"Main military missions" necessary to "preserve Pax Americana" and a "unipolar 21st century" are the following: "secure and expand zones of democratic peace, deter rise of new great-power competitor, defend key regions (Europe, East Asia, Middle East), and exploit transformation of war."

According to the PNAC report, "The American peace has proven itself peaceful, stable, and durable. Yet no moment in international politics can be frozen in time: even a global Pax Americana will not preserve itself." To preserve this "American peace" through the 21st century, the PNAC report concludes that the global order "must have a secure foundation on unquestioned U.S. military preeminence." The report struck a prescient note when it observed that "the process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event--like a new Pearl Harbor."

Many of PNAC's conclusions and recommendations are reflected in the White House's National Security Strategy document of September 2002, which reflects the "peace through strength" credo that shapes PNAC strategic thinking.

When reading his, you may want to ask yourself to which extent 9/11 represents this 'New Pearl Harbor' event, and how it has helped reaching the stated goals.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: MrBogosity on July 09, 2009, 10:09:51 PM
If this episode is going to be made, i think it'd be interesting to look at how 9/11 has been used bij 'the government', and still IS being used, to push all sorts of political agendas..

Oh, believe me, that'll be AT LEAST a third of the episode!
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: JaquesPlafond on July 09, 2009, 11:41:10 PM
In that case i suggest you watch the video i linked to.. it'll provide you with lots of info, and food for thought :)

It's presented by Mike Ruppert:

"This is the man who cost CIA Director Deutch his guaranteed appointment as Secretary of Defense after confronting him at Locke High School with hard facts about CIA dealing drugs." - Dick Gregory

" ...in the course of investigations in the mid 70's he came across information that the CIA was trading drugs in order to fund covert operations in the Middle East...Perot called him back to offer encouragement...Ruppert says that his main objective is to see that the country gets a leader worthy of its people. Even for Ross Perot those will be tough shoes to fill." - PEOPLE MAGAZINE 6/22/92
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Kamasama on July 21, 2009, 02:10:44 PM
One of the "higher profile" sites I've come across is http://www.ae911truth.org/ (http://www.ae911truth.org/). At first I thought they would just use argument from authority, but there are several attempts at justification as well.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 08, 2009, 06:14:17 PM
What about Infowars.com ?
Is that a site full of crap on it concerning the 9/11 attacks?
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 10, 2009, 03:37:46 AM
Personaly I believe 9/11 was a cover up to hide the fact that the Twin Towers really where giant drilling machines, constructed to transport a large detachment of the US army to the supterranian realms to subjugate the Mole People and seize control from their rich stockpiles of rare resources like enriched butter and ham sammiches.
That or a freemason plot to use alien technology to mindcontrol us from space.
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 10, 2009, 10:42:47 AM
Personaly I believe 9/11 was a cover up to hide the fact that the Twin Towers really where giant drilling machines, constructed to transport a large detachment of the US army to the supterranian realms to subjugate the Mole People and seize control from their rich stockpiles of rare resources like enriched butter and ham sammiches.
That or a freemason plot to use alien technology to mindcontrol us from space.
:D ;D ROFL!
Title: Re: The 9/11 Conspiracies
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 10, 2009, 07:54:56 PM
Now imagine me saying it in a monotonous "Ben Stein" tone of voice.