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The Show => Future Episodes => Topic started by: MrBogosity on October 16, 2008, 05:10:52 PM

Title: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: MrBogosity on October 16, 2008, 05:10:52 PM
I think I'll put this one in the next batch (10-12) and do Intelligent Design later on. I don't have a good title yet, but I'd like to dedicate a video to debunking the idea that Darwinism is immoral and led to the Holocaust.

I've been set up now with a copy of Expelled, and I also have this horrendous video made by Coral Ridge Ministries called "Darwin's Deadly Legacy." Plenty of stuff to debunk.

I have the video that Richard Dawkins and PZ Myers made following the release of Expelled.

I know there are some Dawkins videos about the evolution of morality; I think I have some here, but it would take me hours to rewatch them all. If anyone knows where he talks about this, let me know.

I'd also like to make the argument that Darwinism is based on natural selection, and that Hitler used artificial selection against the Jews, so he was really denying Darwinism. If anyone knows of any good videos making that point, let me know.

And again, all videos on both sides of the issue are welcome.
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: BZ987654 on October 17, 2008, 10:13:48 PM
I've been set up now with a copy of Expelled, and I also have this horrendous video made by Coral Ridge Ministries called "Darwin's Deadly Legacy." Plenty of stuff to debunk.

I have not seen either of these videos. However, the Dawkins and Myers video I am sure will be good. It's very sad that we even have to discuss the Hilter argument. I guess when stupid people can spread their stupidity this is where we end up.
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: Tom S. Fox on October 18, 2008, 05:58:11 PM
Will you debunk the claim that Hitler was an atheist?
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: MrBogosity on October 18, 2008, 06:16:24 PM
Will you debunk the claim that Hitler was an atheist?

Yes, Hitler's Christianity will be covered.
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: lennyhipp on October 23, 2008, 02:32:37 PM
I know there are some Dawkins videos about the evolution of morality; I think I have some here, but it would take me hours to rewatch them all. If anyone knows where he talks about this, let me know.


I know there are some Dawkins videos about the evolution of morality; I think I have some here, but it would take me hours to rewatch them all. If anyone knows where he talks about this, let me know.

Not familiar with Dawkins vids on morality, but This one I found interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elEYKpo7kFk
and of course, there's this gem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xva_DGmUQo

man, it woulda been GREAT to be born 1880-1950 huh? when we were so ignorant of science and not a care in the world! 

:))
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: lennyhipp on October 23, 2008, 02:36:39 PM
either the QUOTE function on this forum doesn't work the same as on others, or i'm not paying very close attention to what i'm doing! 

:)

which is probably the case!

but at least i've spelled everything correctly!  :))
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: Real Captain Olimar on October 23, 2008, 04:57:37 PM
Name it "Order of Events."
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: TheBAMman on October 26, 2008, 06:18:48 AM
I've been set up now with a copy of Expelled, and I also have this horrendous video made by Coral Ridge Ministries called "Darwin's Deadly Legacy." Plenty of stuff to debunk.

I have not seen either of these videos. However, the Dawkins and Myers video I am sure will be good. It's very sad that we even have to discuss the Hilter argument. I guess when stupid people can spread their stupidity this is where we end up.

That there is the price of freedom of speech. It's funny how the people who's stupidity benefits from that freedom, try to snuff out this same freedom for people who they oppose.
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: BZ987654 on October 26, 2008, 07:33:26 PM
I've been set up now with a copy of Expelled, and I also have this horrendous video made by Coral Ridge Ministries called "Darwin's Deadly Legacy." Plenty of stuff to debunk.

I have not seen either of these videos. However, the Dawkins and Myers video I am sure will be good. It's very sad that we even have to discuss the Hilter argument. I guess when stupid people can spread their stupidity this is where we end up.

That there is the price of freedom of speech. It's funny how the people who's stupidity benefits from that freedom, try to snuff out this same freedom for people who they oppose.

Yeah, I agree. I still believe this would be less of a problem if western civilization was subject to natural selection.
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: Tom S. Fox on October 26, 2008, 07:39:17 PM
This reminds me of a quote I read on Fundies Say the Darndest Things! (http://www.fstdt.com/default.aspx):
Quote from: My Dreams of 8
Freedom of speech is good, except when it's used to promote retarded liberal ideals and atheism and satanism and anything that goes against Christ! All those should be illegal and punishable by death.
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: Real Captain Olimar on October 28, 2008, 07:39:43 PM
I've been set up now with a copy of Expelled, and I also have this horrendous video made by Coral Ridge Ministries called "Darwin's Deadly Legacy." Plenty of stuff to debunk.

I have not seen either of these videos. However, the Dawkins and Myers video I am sure will be good. It's very sad that we even have to discuss the Hilter argument. I guess when stupid people can spread their stupidity this is where we end up.

That there is the price of freedom of speech. It's funny how the people who's stupidity benefits from that freedom, try to snuff out this same freedom for people who they oppose.

Yeah, I agree. I still believe this would be less of a problem if western civilization was subject to natural selection.

Not a problem if it were all culture.
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: Theta Omega on October 29, 2008, 03:41:53 AM
This reminds me of a quote I read on Fundies Say the Darndest Things! (http://www.fstdt.com/default.aspx):
Quote from: My Dreams of 8
Freedom of speech is good, except when it's used to promote retarded liberal ideals and atheism and satanism and anything that goes against Christ! All those should be illegal and punishable by death.
Unfortunately a lot of people on youtube agree with that, hence why they're only too happy to censor anyone who pwns their fragile beliefs.
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: Andy120290 on March 28, 2009, 01:32:21 AM
Saw this video and I immediately thought of this.

Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: JaquesPlafond on July 10, 2009, 08:37:13 PM
Anyone seen Bill Mahers' 'Religulous' yet? It's pure gold, and a lot of fun to watch :)

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-3791007322683758535&hl=nl

I'm glad to see you're going to tackle ID as well. As far as i can see ID is having everything upside down.. instead of having to fine tune the entire universe in order for us to be able to exist in the form that we do, i think we are actually the RESULT of the universe being as it is. Change the circumstances, and life will also take on different forms.. i think nature clearly shows this.
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: MrBogosity on September 27, 2009, 05:01:31 PM
I received this PM on YouTube; putting it here for archival purposes:

Quote
I came across this website:
http://www.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/burnedbooks/documents.htm

These are the guidelines on banning books in nazi germany, search for darwin (Ctrl F), you will find one of the topics that was forbidden:

[6. Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (H?ckel).]
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: AHPMB on November 16, 2009, 12:52:35 PM
And of course, there's Hitler's rantings about religion in Mein Kampf

"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance
 with the will of the Almighty Creator." -Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Ch.2 pg. 46

"This human world of ours would be inconceivable without
 the practical existence of a religious belief." -Vol. 1, p. 152

"Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable
 stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin
 the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it." Ch 12

"The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for
 compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but
 in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine." -Ch. 12
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: MrBogosity on March 22, 2011, 06:28:01 AM
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=43058
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 22, 2011, 03:58:39 PM
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=43058

Yup, that article/thingie is a fail quote!
Definitely something worth refuting.
Title: Re: Darwin and Hitler
Post by: MrBogosity on March 22, 2011, 04:04:55 PM
Just in case I have trouble finding it later:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV3duw4lJE0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhCgulyqTxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1VlhNKK9DI