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Title: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: AHPMB on December 15, 2009, 12:27:58 AM
For those of you not already aware.  Professional creationist liar and convicted tax cheat Kent Hovind's doctoral dissertation was recently leaked to the internet.  Hovind has long done his best to keep this document under wraps and it's not hard to see why.  It's easily one of the greatest works of unintentional comedy ever put to paper, 102 pages of pure hilarity.  This document demonstrates just how loose the standards are for Patriot University, whose campus is an illustrious double-wide trailer that also serves as the house of its President and founder.

Just a few things I noticed as someone who has submitted documents for peer review:

1.  He starts his dissertation, and remember this is supposed to be a formal monograph with, Hello my name is Kent Hovind.

2.  The vast majority of it is un-sourced, and in fact he cites one of his biggest sources in the introduction as his own radio show.  In other words, his research is listening to himself talk.

3.  Liberal use of exclamation points, again in a formal dissertation.

4.  Blatant and childish ad hominems, such as commenting on the weight of Darwin's grandfather Erasmus.

5.  A collection of nearly every ridiculous fallacy and misunderstanding of science that has made Hovind our favorite nut-job, with exception of his notion that a massive sphere of ice floated in space over the earth. 

Read it for yourself, and as you do, just keep telling yourself that this is supposed to be a doctoral dissertation.  Stop occasionally and imagine peers at Harvard, Oxford, M.I.T. or Caltech reading this thing.  Try to picture Kent before a committee.  You'll be pissing yourself in not time

http://88.80.16.63/leak/kent-hovind-doctoral-dissertation.pdf (http://88.80.16.63/leak/kent-hovind-doctoral-dissertation.pdf)
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 15, 2009, 01:01:49 AM
Is it legit?
...Wait, I mean... Everyone could write some poorly formulated, badly researched and straight out lying crap and it would look like Hovind's but is this the real thing?
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: AHPMB on December 15, 2009, 08:40:21 AM
Having read through it, I concede it might be a fake but there are some factors that make me think it's real.  First off, the length.  It's just over 100 pages.  That's a lot of work for a fake.  The last spat over his dissertation was years ago, so why would someone go to such lengths now, for a guy that's already in prison.  Second, the font.  This was clearly typed up on a typewriter, which would be consistent with the time Kent supposedly wrote the thing.  In fact, Kent cites who his typist was.  I would think a fake would have been written on word processing software, unless the person faking it would incredibly dedicated.  Three, whoever wrote this is intimately familiar with Kent Hovind's views, this thing reads like a condensed version of all his video lectures.  So again, if this is a hoax, the person writing has obsessively studied Hovind enough to sound like him on paper flawlessly, and dedicated enough time to write 100 pages worth of it.  That just doesn't seem likely. 

So it could be a hoax, but the level of detail here to me indicates that it is likely legitimate.
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: MrBogosity on December 15, 2009, 08:54:05 AM
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This was clearly typed up on a typewriter, which would be consistent with the time Kent supposedly wrote the thing.

Actually, it's obviously a dot matrix computer printout, which is consistent with both the time it was written and Hovind's own comments about it. This would mean that, if it is a hoax, they got a period printer AND the software to print properly on it, further making a hoax unlikely.
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: MrBogosity on December 15, 2009, 09:00:14 AM
It is consistent with this report:

http://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/bartelt_dissertation_on_hovind_thesis.htm

(Of course, a hoaxer would try to make it consistent with such reports.)

Also, I recall that NCSE has a copy, and they are prohibited from releasing it. But maybe they could at least verify if the one on WikiLeaks is legitimate?
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 15, 2009, 10:53:01 AM
Holy shit!
That reads like something I wrote back in first grade. Just with more spelling errors.
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: valvatica on December 15, 2009, 11:25:38 AM
It is legitimate. Along with NCSE holding a copy, someone on PZ Myers' blog reported that he was the source:

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This is a copy of the original I obtained from Patriot University back around 1999. I asked Hovind for permission to publish it on the web, but he refused.

I did send copies to a few select people for scholarly purposes, because Hovind didn't say I couldn't distribute it and he never asked for the copy back.

I know this is a copy of mine because it has the page number count by tens that I wrote in the bottom right corner.

I counted the pages because Hovind had claimed his "dissertation" was 250 pages. I asked him about this in the email exchange I had with him, and he said it was continually "growing" and would be published as a book soon. To my knowledge no such book was ever published.

I am quite sure I got the only copy in existence when PU mailed it to me because it came with a picture cut out of a magazine and affixed to page 79 or so with transparent tape. I mean, who does that in a real dissertation?

Original blog posting: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/kent_hovinds_doctoral_disserta.php#comments
The name is Skip Evans, and the quote above is from Comment #110.
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: MrBogosity on December 15, 2009, 11:38:37 AM
I was wondering why the page numbers were handwritten.
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: MrBogosity on December 15, 2009, 11:41:18 AM
It is legitimate. Along with NCSE holding a copy, someone on PZ Myers' blog reported that he was the source:

Original blog posting: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/kent_hovinds_doctoral_disserta.php#comments
The name is Skip Evans, and the quote above is from Comment #110.

PZ himself said in the comments he's seen the NCSE copy, and this one is identical.
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 15, 2009, 11:43:21 AM
EDIT:
Disregard that last point.
I got it. :D
I can't wait to read through it.
I need a good laugh. :)
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 15, 2009, 11:47:45 AM
No no, that's the way it's supposed to be. It's a product of Kent after all.
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 15, 2009, 11:51:33 AM
For those of you not already aware.  Professional creationist liar and convicted tax cheat Kent Hovind's doctoral dissertation was recently leaked to the internet.  Hovind has long done his best to keep this document under wraps and it's not hard to see why.  It's easily one of the greatest works of unintentional comedy ever put to paper, 102 pages of pure hilarity.  This document demonstrates just how loose the standards are for Patriot University, whose campus is an illustrious double-wide trailer that also serves as the house of its President and founder.

Just a few things I noticed as someone who has submitted documents for peer review:

1.  He starts his dissertation, and remember this is supposed to be a formal monograph with, Hello my name is Kent Hovind.
Not only that, but it labels that part as the "introduction".
Aren't formal papers like this supposed to start with an abstract?
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: AHPMB on December 15, 2009, 11:56:40 AM
Actually, it's obviously a dot matrix computer printout, which is consistent with both the time it was written and Hovind's own comments about it. This would mean that, if it is a hoax, they got a period printer AND the software to print properly on it, further making a hoax unlikely.

Whoops good catch, it is a dot-matrix print-out.  I was looking at the font, but the old word processors did type just like that.
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: MrBogosity on December 19, 2009, 07:19:18 AM
Eugenie Scott just responded to my email, saying it looks like the copy they have (but they did NOT get it from the NCSE). It's the real deal, folks!
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 19, 2009, 10:09:15 AM
You have email exchanges with Eugenie Scott? That hot science momma?!
I'll put you on my list of stuff I watch with envious eyes. >_o
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: valvatica on December 19, 2009, 11:41:56 AM
Props to you for following through and confirming this Shane  :)
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: BZ987654 on January 19, 2010, 06:11:12 PM
It is honestly is going to read like a drunken text message and I am not sure I can handle that.
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on March 19, 2010, 08:04:25 AM
I guess CSE had it taken off the internet? Link provided is dead.
Title: Re: Kent Hovind's Doctoral Dissertation now on the web
Post by: MrBogosity on March 19, 2010, 08:19:07 AM
WikiLeaks has had to take down a lot of their content because of the sheer amount of hits that they can't afford, hence the current fundraising drive. Here's their donate link: http://www.wikileaks.org/#Change_you_can_believe_in

I have the PDF of Hovind's dissertation if anyone's interested.