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Title: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 19, 2009, 01:02:11 AM
Whatever ones you like.  Whether they came from real or fictional sources, show them all!

I believe in no god, no invisible man in the sky, but there is something out there far greater than each of us: A combination of our efforts, a great chain of industry that unites us.  It is only when we act in our own self interest that this chain pulls society in the right direction.  The chain is too powerful and too mysterious for any government to guide.  Any man who tells you different has either a hand in your pocket or a pistol to your neck - Andrew Ryan, Bioshock

Life is not about what happens, it's about how you react to it - My father

Have you ever noticed that if you make something illegal, everyone seems to rush out to go do it just to be unique?  Yet if you make something merely inconvenient, nobody goes anywhere near it.  With this is mind, I have the perfect solution to the drug problem: legalize all drugs...and sell them at the post office! - Me
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 19, 2009, 08:29:11 AM
"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them. If I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I and I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." --Bernardo de la Paz, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

"I say you cannot administer a wicked law impartially! You can only punish, only destroy. And I warn you: a wicked law, like cholera, destroys everyone that it touches--its upholders as well as its defiers." --Henry Drummond, Inherit the Wind
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 19, 2009, 11:30:45 AM
Wow, Shane, those quotes are awesome.  ;D
I especially like the first one. :)

"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning and observations of a single individual." - Galileo Galilei

"In math there is nothing new; you just start with a few axioms and rearrange them." - Richard Feynman (paraphrased)

"Math is to science, what masturbation is to sex." - Richard Feynman
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 19, 2009, 12:20:16 PM
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies." --Groucho Marx

"Facts? I'm sick of facts! You can use them to prove anything that's even remotely true!" --Homer Simpson

"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts; they alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering." --The Doctor, Doctor Who: "The Face of Evil"

"Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather...We will create a civilization of the Mind in Cyberspace. May it be more humane and fair than the world your governments have made before." --John Perry Barlow, A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 19, 2009, 02:38:20 PM
"82% of all statistics are made up on the spot." --My English Professor

I'll do you one better for the next few quotes:  

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(http://mises.org/Community/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.PostAttachments/00.00.00.22.10/Capitalism.jpg)

(http://mises.org/Community/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.PostAttachments/00.00.00.22.11/Gold.jpg)

(http://mises.org/Community/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.PostAttachments/00.00.00.22.12/Intervensionism.jpg)

(http://mises.org/Community/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.PostAttachments/00.00.00.22.13/Welfare.jpg)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 19, 2009, 03:05:50 PM
"Bureaucracy is expanding to fit the needs of an expanding bureaucracy." --Ashleigh Brilliant

"Your ideas are too narrow, too crippled. I am a citizen of the universe, and a gentleman to boot!" --The Doctor, Doctor Who: "The Dalek Master Plan"

"Fables should be taught as fables, myths as myths, and miracles as poetic fancies. To teach superstitions as truths is a most terrible thing. The child mind accepts and believes them, and only through great pain and perhaps tragedy can he be in after years relieved of them. In fact, men will fight for a superstition quite as quickly as for a living truth--often more so, since a superstition is so intangible you cannot get at it to refute it, but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable." --Hypatia of Alexandria
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 20, 2009, 06:38:39 PM
I can't seem to grasp what it is about Dr. Who that makes people like it.  What stuff I have seen of it I found boring.

And speaking of Sci-Fi stuff:

(http://www.filehurricane.com/viewerthumbnails/72200722046PM_hahahah.jpg) (I'm not actually a Star Trek fan, fyi).

"You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.  You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.  You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich.  You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.  You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence.  You cannot help small men by tearing down big men.  You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.  You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.  You cannot establish security on borrowed money.  You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they will not do for themselves." - Attributed to Abe Lincoln but disputed.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 20, 2009, 08:15:40 PM
"Which is the quickest way out of here?" [Everyone points in different directions] "Yes, well, that's democracy for you." --The Doctor, Doctor Who: "Castrovalva"

"If somebody who knew the future pointed out a child to you, and told you that the child would grow up totally evil, to be a ruthless dictator who would destroy millions of lives, could you then kill that child?" --The Doctor, Doctor Who: "Genesis of the Daleks"

"Answers are easy. It's asking the right questions which is hard." --The Doctor, Doctor Who: "The Face of Evil"

And something else from the SF scene:

"Many who live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death and judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends." --Gandalf, The Lord of the Rings

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 20, 2009, 10:57:11 PM
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—“No. You move.”"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
   
"I Know What Freedom Is...You Know Compromise." - Captain America Civil War: The Confession.

"People should not fear their governments. Governments should fear their people." - V, V for Vendetta (The movie, not the comic. I know the book's better and the movie was a terrible adaptation, but I still enjoy it, dammit!)

More V quotes, but from the comic book.

"Good evening, London. I thought it time we had a little talk. Are you sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin... I suppose you're wondering why I've called you here this evening. Well, you see, I'm not entirely satisfied with your performance lately... I'm afraid your work's been slipping and... and well, I'm afraid we've been thinking about letting you go. Oh, I know, I know. You've been with the company a long time now. Almost... let me see. Almost ten thousand years! My word, doesn't time fly? It seems like only yesterday... I remember the day you commenced your employment, swinging down from the trees, fresh-faced and nervous, a bone clasped in your bristling fist... "Where do I start, sir?", you asked, plaintively. I recalled my exact words: "There's a pile of dinosaur eggs over there, youngster", I said, smiling paternally all the while. "Get sucking". Well, we've certainly come a long way since then, haven't we? And yes, yes, you're right, in all that time you haven't missed a day. Well done, thou good and faithful servant. Also, please don't think I've forgotten about your outstanding service record, or about all of the invaluable contributions that you've made to the company... Fire, the wheel, agriculture... It's an impressive list, old-timer. A jolly impressive list. Don't get me wrong. But... well, to be frank, we've had our problems too. There's no getting away from it. Do you know what I think alot of it stems from? I'll tell you... It's your basic unwillingness to get on in the company. You don't seem to want to face up to any real responsibility. To be your own boss. Lord knows you've been given plenty of opportunities... We've offered you promotion time and time again, and each time you've turned us down. "I couldn't handle the work, Guv'Nor", you wheedled. "I know my place". To be frank, you're not trying, are you? You see, you've been standing still for far too long, and its starting to show in your work... And, I might add, in your general standard of behavior. The constant bickering on the factory floor has not escaped my attention... nor the recent bouts of rowdiness in the staff canteen. Then of course there's... Hmm. Well, I didn't really want to have to bring this up, but... Well, you see, I've been hearing some disturbing rumors about your personal life. No, never you mind who told me. No names, no pack drill... I understand you are unable to get on with your spouse. I hear that you argue. I am told that you shout. Violence has been mentioned. I am reliably informed that you always hurt the one your love... the one you shouldn't hurt at all. And what about the children, its always the children who suffer, as you're well aware. Poor little mites. What are they to make of it? What are they to make of all your bullying, your despair, your cowardice and all your fondly nurtured bigotries? Really, its not good enough, is it? And its no good blaming the drop in work standards on and management either... though to be sure, the management is very bad. In fact, let us not mince words... The Management is terrible! We've had a string of embezzelers, frauds, liars and lunatics making a string of catastrophic decisions. This is plain fact. But who elected them? It was you! You who elected these people! You who gave them the power to make your decisions for you! While I'll admit that anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the same lethal errors century after century seems to me nothing short of deliberate. You have encouraged these malicious incompetents, who have made your working life a shambles. You have accepted without question their senseless orders. You have allowed them to fill your workspace with dangerous and unproven machines. You could have stopped them. All you had to say was "No". You have no spine. You have no pride. You are no longer an asset to the company. I will, however, be generous. You will be granted two years to show me some improvement in your work. If at the end of that time you are still unwilling to make a go of it... you're fired. That will be all. You may return to your labors."

"There's no flesh or blood within this cloak to kill. There's only an idea. Ideas are bulletproof."

Rorschach: "Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon. That's always been the difference between us, Dan."

"None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with you. You're locked up in here with me."

"You see, Doctor, God didn't kill that little girl. Fate didn't butcher her and destiny didn't feed her to those dogs. If God saw what any of us did that night he didn't seem to mind. From then on I knew... God doesn't make the world this way. We do."

I'm obviously something of an Alan Moore fan. And just for good measure...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IReCgN2T-Tw

(For some reason, I can't seem to embed youtube videos.)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 21, 2009, 01:02:33 AM
"With government, 'no' means 'yes';
and 'yes' means 'anal.'" - Me.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 21, 2009, 01:32:10 AM
"You must treat government as a mad dog, requiring constant vigilance. One single lapse in your attention, and this mad dog will steal your food, tear your furniture, attack your friends and neighbors, or maybe even maul you to death. Keep it in check, and it will perform the only job it could possibly serve- to protect you from other, madder dogs." - me
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 21, 2009, 08:46:16 AM
The origin of the V quote:

"When people fear the government, there is tyranny. When government fears the people, there is liberty." --Thomas Paine

Testing the embed of your video:


It's working for me. Great movie, BTW. Never as good as the book, of course, but still worthy of it.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 21, 2009, 05:08:10 PM
I saw the movie as someone who never heard of the book until that point.  Couldn't get into the movie honestly.  It's really hard to take all the overly heavy handed material seriously in a super hero story.

Though I didn't get as far as that scene.  Anyone care to give me some context behind it?

Anyway, quotes...

When someone says 'there ought to be a law', there probably oughtn't - Penn Jillette

Why do I do this?  Why do I fight creationists?  Because their god is too small - Phil Plait

Never assume yourself beyond temptation for that is the first step towards succumbing to it - Aryll, a character from one of my stories.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 21, 2009, 05:26:21 PM
Well, if we're doing characters from our own stories: "Far greater than the loss of freedom is the loss of hope, for without hope you lose the ability to regain that which was stolen from you."
http://e-stories.org/read-stories.php?sto=4536
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 21, 2009, 06:14:22 PM
I saw the movie as someone who never heard of the book until that point.  Couldn't get into the movie honestly.  It's really hard to take all the overly heavy handed material seriously in a super hero story.

Well, Adrian Veidt (the guy talking about the people he's murdered to save humanity) has faked an attack by a large outside force in order to end the cold war. In the comic, it was an alien attack. In the movie, it was Dr. Manhattan. Rorschach, being something of an objectivist, feels that he cannot accept this false peace and leaves to tell the world. Dr. Manhattan feels that he can't let him do that. The rest plays out as such.

You really can't read Alan Moore books as "super hero" stories. More like stories that have "super heroes" in them. The Watchmen comic book was critically acclaimed for many reasons, one of them being that it deconstructed the super hero archetype and tried to see how the existence of super heroes would deform the world they live in.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 21, 2009, 06:20:33 PM
"War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control... All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield... controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control... War becomes routine. "-Snake Metal Gear Solid 4

As for Watchmen, it felt as though Synder just decided to jam in as much of the dialouge as he could with no context or reasoning for it. The only thing that he gave his own spin to (and did masterfully) was the beginning part with Bob Dylan summaring the events from the 1930's until the late 80's when the story picks up.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 21, 2009, 07:47:54 PM
Oy...Metal gear solid.  Once it was cool but these days, it's become almost of a satire of itself.  I now cringe every time someone says a sentence with "on the battlefield" in it as though this were the first time it were ever said...

Ooh, Shane, you write too?  I'll have to take a look at that some time.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 21, 2009, 08:57:47 PM
Yeah, replayed the first one a while ago, and some of it is definitely cheesy. However, did you play 4? Reason I bought a PS3 and it was worth every penny.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 22, 2009, 12:39:50 AM
I refuse to play 4.  The cut scene length is beyond the pale and it's not because there's so much story to tell, it's because much of the dialogue is horribly long winded and redundant.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 22, 2009, 08:24:47 AM
All right, people, back to the quotes:

"Anyone who has to demand respect automatically deserves ridicule. If you deserved respect, you'd already have it. You'd be rolling around in it, like a televangelist in other people's money. No, what you deserve is mockery." --Pat Condell

"My freedom is more important than your faith." --Pat Condell

"What I like most about Christianity is that it's not Islam, which is a major bonus in my opinion. Unfortunately, it is Christianity, which kind of takes most of the shine off it for me." --Pat Condell

"I find it quite ironic that some Christians would like to ban the Harry Potter books, in case their children turn to witchcraft and away from Jesus, as opposed to turning to Christianity, and even further away from Jesus." --Pat Condell

"I can assure you that I venerate free speech as highly as anybody on this planet venerates their god or their scripture or their prophet, and any attempt to suppress free speech is deeply insulting and grossly offensive to me on a personal level...Freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of identity: this is my Holy Trinity, each one an intrinsic aspect of my god: Freedom, the holiest of holies. Yes, it bloody well is! It is absolutely sacred and inviolable beyond any negotiation or compromise, now and forever, amen." --Pat Condell

"The time to start defending your freedom is while you've still got it, not after it's gone." --Pat Condell

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 22, 2009, 01:46:50 PM
"Yes because we all know
Private = greedy fucks and broods of Satan that likes to kick babies during their free time.
Public = Omni-benevolent, generous spirits sent by Yahweh." - 11mc22 (being sarcastic in response to that mecher3k socialist woo).

"Communism is a party!" - A (de)motivational picture I saw on Encyclopedia Dramatica.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 22, 2009, 06:24:24 PM
Why is it illegal to sell something that is completely legal to give away for free? - George Carlin on prostitution

A politician is someone who can talk for hours and never actually say anything - don't know who said this one
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 22, 2009, 06:54:54 PM
"'The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.' -- H.L. Mencken
Fuck You, Thunderf00t" -- FlowCell, Thunderf00t: Zealot of The State (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBipkULRTQI)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 22, 2009, 07:45:22 PM
Carlin was The Man:

"Keep in mind that Hitler was elected in a full, free democratic election." --George Carlin

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." --George Carlin

"I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." --George Carlin
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 22, 2009, 11:37:48 PM
So is ladyattis. :)

"Because the Venus Project doesn't have the market signal of the price mechanism to direct the efficient allocation of scarce resources and to tell people what needs to be produced, how to produce it, and so on.  China tried it and failed.  The old Soviet Union tried and failed.  But they were very persistent and tried ways of mucking around with it and were that much worse off because of it.  The Zeitgeist Addendum people will be just as disheartened when they try and it doesn't work. It's a failure: get over it."  ladyattis, Corrections and further criticisms of the Venus project (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXZu4sqzp80)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 24, 2009, 03:50:09 PM
"If you're innocent, you should have no problem with me probing your ass." A. Jones, Catholic School: Archon (Episode Seven) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZqPJpIYyyw)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 24, 2009, 08:47:41 PM
"Freedom is the answer.  Now what was the question?" --A bumper sticker Shane once saw.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 24, 2009, 08:59:18 PM
"Freedom is the answer.  Now what was the question?" --A bumper sticker Shane once saw.

"Politicians are like diapers: they should be changed regularly, and often for the same reason." --A t-shirt I once saw.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2009, 01:44:52 AM
"5 out of 4 people have trouble with fractions." -- A t-shirt I once saw

"Who would the planet be better off without? (a question to TheAmazingAtheist in an interview)

We need a lot less fucking bureaucrats and red tape. Why does everything require a permit and proof of ID and requisition form B-12? My dad has three licenses with three different names and three different ages as a kid because the folks at the DMV just took your word for all of it. Now, some might say that this is a terrible thing - but it was a great thing. It meant that you could start over, that you’re life wasn’t under scrutiny and that your mistakes didn’t haunt you to the grave. People need breathing room and rules that are flexible - I think the cynicism and paranoia of my generation is largely due to this awareness that you are chained to your identity. You have a designation number and your fingerprints are on record and that is your inescapable reality. People don’t feel like people anymore. They feel like cattle, with ID tags in their ears, branded as property of their respective governments." -- TJ's response.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 25, 2009, 03:16:34 PM
"The only alternative to the Invisible Hand is the Iron Fist." --Me
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2009, 03:39:53 PM
(Good one, Shane. :) )

I love the quotes on your site:

“Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out.” —George Carlin

“‘Thou shalt not kill.’ Murder. The fifth commandment. But if you think about it, religion has never really had a problem with murder. Not really. No, more people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason. All you have to do is look at slavery, the Middle East, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Holocaust, and the World Trade Center, and you’ll see how seriously the religious folks take ‘Thou shalt not kill.’ The more devout they are, the more they see murder as negotiable.” —George Carlin

“First the Nazis came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.” —Pastor Martin Niemoller

“You might think it hard to come up with anything nice to say about Islam, but I can think of a few things. Firstly, I like their symbol, the crescent moon. I find it much more attractive than the cross, probably because it doesn’t have anybody nailed to it.” —Pat Condell

“Of course, I have to balance these doubts against the counterargument, which is, ‘But it’s in the Bible, so it must be true, because the Bible is the word of God, because it says it is, so it must be true, because the Bible is the word of God,’ etc., etc. Clearly for some people, God doesn’t move so much in mysterious ways, as in ever-decreasing circles.” —Pat Condell

“Hey, I don’t want to get abusive here, because that creates enemies. On the other hand, you’re already my enemy, so what the hell, you murdering lump of slime!” —Pat Condell, to Osama bin Laden

“Now, thanks to the sacred war on freedom—I mean, terror—America has something called the Patriot Act, which is essentially a charter for fascism in the land of the free. It could have been written by Hitler, somebody with whom I think you [Osama bin Laden] would have alot in common. After all, a bunker, or a cave, ultimately, there’s only one way out, isn’t there?” —Pat Condell

“I think if Hell does exist, it’s probably...something more subtle that consumes from within, something like eternal regret, perhaps, something not done, not challenged, not risked, not loved enough. Or maybe it’s just burning in fire.” —Pat Condell
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2009, 03:40:40 PM
“The free market is ugly and stupid, like going to the mall; the unfree market is just as ugly and just as stupid, except there is nothing in the mall and if you don’t go there they shoot you.” —P.J. O’Rourke

“Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.” —Ronald Reagan

“Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you need is also big enough to take away everything you have.” —Barry Goldwater

“Social Security operates on a very simple principle: the politicians take your money from you and squander it.” —Harry Browne

“Republicans campaign like Libertarians and govern like Democrats.” —Harry Browne

“Left-wing politicians take away your liberty in the name of children and of fighting poverty, while right-wing politicians do it in the name of family values and fighting drugs. Either way, government gets bigger and you become less free.” —Harry Browne

"There already are 20,000 federal gun laws and regulations on the books. If those laws haven't made America safe by now, why should we think 20,001 laws will suffice?" —Harry Browne

“If you give a good politician the power to do good things, you automatically give a bad politician the power to do bad things.” —Harry Browne
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2009, 03:41:08 PM
“Why is it, when you go to a vegetarian’s house, you hardly ever see vegetables in the freezer? No, you find funny little make-believe foods, like vegetarian bacon, vegetarian hot dogs, vegetarian hamburgers, vegetarian beef stroganoff—well, what about vegetarian vegetables, huh? If your food is so much better, how come you have to pretend you’re eating mine?” —Tim Slagle

“I think the environmental alarmists are the intellectual descendents of the people who told us that if we didn’t throw virgins into the volcano, a giant sea monster would come around and eat us. Then, sooner or later, there’d be an eclipse, and they’d say, ‘See? We told you this would happen!’ ‘No, you said we’d be eaten by a giant sea monster.’ ‘Well, whaddya think’s blocking out the sun?’ ‘Oh! Well, we’d better throw in a virgin, then! I sure hope we can find one...’” —Tim Slagle

“Nothing ruins a perfectly good ‘Drugs Kill’ campaign faster than a pothead who can win the Triathlon.” —Tim Slagle

“Go ahead, tailgate; see if I care.” —Jamie Hyneman in a supersized rocket car, Mythbusters

“I just had one of those, ‘What the hell are we doing?’ moments.” —Adam Savage, Mythbusters

“To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first, and call whatever you hit the target.” —Ashleigh Brilliant
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2009, 03:42:08 PM
“You are terrified of your own children, since they are natives in a world where you will always be immigrants. Because you fear them, you entrust your bureaucracies with the parental responsibilities you are too cowardly to confront yourselves. In our world, all the sentiments and expressions of humanity, from the debasing to the angelic, are parts of a seamless whole, the global conversation of bits. We cannot separate the air that chokes from the air upon which wings beat.” —John Perry Barlow, A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace

“How hard can it be to blow up a room full of gasoline?” —Adam Savage, Mythbusters

“Prediction is very difficult, especially if it’s about the future.” —Niels Bohr

“If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy....The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad.” —James Madison
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2009, 04:21:24 PM
"The problem with political moderates, is that to them, extreme means a decrease in government, keeping government the same, or 'too much increase' in government.  A political moderate is therefore, someone who wants government to continue to grow at the same pace, expanding its influence, size and scope, while ignoring all the past failures that were caused by more of the same increases in government that they advocate.  And they wonder why Libertarians think they're stupid."  --Me

"Does this mean that If we had a full reserve banking system along with a gold standard AND zero regulation of the financial markets, then the financial crisis wouldn't have happened?

Also, by keeping the financial markets that way, would this prevent the huge market crashes (e.g. the 1921, 1929 crashes and the 2008 collapse) that can cause even people with diverse stock/investment portfolios to lose most or even all of their savings?" --Me, in response to Shane's video How Fractional Reserve Banking Increases Inflation - HD version

"Yes, that's EXACTLY what it means." --Shane, in response to my above question.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 26, 2009, 09:34:25 AM
"The society that puts equality before freedom will end up with neither. The society that puts freedom before equality will end up with a great measure of both." --Milton Friedman, Free to Choose Part 5: "Created Equal"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 26, 2009, 07:16:45 PM
So let me get this straight, we ban smoking everywhere we see it, we won't even let them make smoking lounges where smokers can go and there is no reason whatsoever for a non smoker to go anywhere near it...yet we're allowing the middle eastern folks to have hookah smoking lounges because "it's part of their culture"?  So kids, what's the moral of this story?  In the ongoing battle to learn who is the greater evil, it seems political correctness has beat out behavior policing and takes the belt - One of my rants
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 26, 2009, 07:37:44 PM
So let me get this straight, we ban smoking everywhere we see it, we won't even let them make smoking lounges where smokers can go and there is no reason whatsoever for a non smoker to go anywhere near it...yet we're allowing the middle eastern folks to have hookah smoking lounges because "it's part of their culture"?  So kids, what's the moral of this story?  In the ongoing battle to learn who is the greater evil, it seems political correctness has beat out behavior policing and takes the belt - One of my rants
(You forgot the put the quote symbols: "" around your quote, dude. :P )

"'I think Halo is a pretty cool guy. eh kills aleins and doesn't afraid of anything...' —retard anon" —Encyclopedia Dramatica.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 27, 2009, 01:03:17 AM
"If you have been voting for politicians who promise to give you goodies at someone else's expense, then you have no right to complain when they take your money and give it to someone else, including themselves." - Thomas Sowell

"Maybe people wouldn't try to get welfare if the government wasn't taxing them to death." - Shane
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 27, 2009, 03:15:26 AM
Okay, time for some silliness.

"Think for a moment about the concept of the flamethrower. Okay? The flamethrower. Because we have them. Well, *we* don't have them, the army has them. That's right. We don't have any flamethrowers. I'd say we're fucked if we have to go up against the army, wouldn't you? But we have flamethrowers. And what this indicates to me, it means that at some point, some person said to himself, "Gee, I sure would like to set those people on fire over there. But I'm way to far away to get the job done. If only I had something that would throw flame on them." Well, it might have ended right there, but he mentioned it to his friend. His friend who was good with tools. And about a month later, he was back. "Hey, quite a concept!" WHHOOOOOOOOSSHHH! And of course the army heard about it, and they came around. "We'd like to buy about five hundred-thousand of them please. We have some people we'd like to throw flame on. Give us five hundred thousand and paint them dark brown. We don't want anyone to see them." " -George Carlin

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 27, 2009, 09:34:04 AM
"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" - Optimus Prime

What?  He was my hero when I was a kid!  ><
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 27, 2009, 05:18:45 PM
"Hello, dear lady. A lovely evening, is it not? Forgive me for intruding...I thought it was time we had a little chat, you and I. Ahh...I was forgetting that we are not properly introduced. I do not have a name. You may call me V. Madam Justice, V. V, this is Madam Justice. Hello, Madam Justice. 'Good evening, V.'

"There. Now we know each other. Actually, I've been a fan of yours for quite some time. Oh, I know what you're thinking...'The poor boy has a crush on me...an adolescent fatuation.' I beg your pardon, Madam. It isn't like that at all. I've long admired you...albeit only from a distance. I used to stare at you from the streets below when I was a child. I'd say to my father, 'Who is that lady?' And he'd say, 'That's Madam Justice.' And I'd say, 'Isn't she pretty.'

"Please don't think it was merely physical. I know you're not that sort of girl. No, I loved you as a person. As an ideal. That was a long time ago. I'm afraid there's someone else now...

"'What? V! For shame! You have betrayed me for some harlot, some vain and pouting hussy with painted lips and a knowing smile!' I, Madam? I beg to differ! It was your infidelity that drove me to her arms! Ah-ha! That surprised you, didn't it? You thought I didn't know about your little fling. But I do. I know everything! Frankly, I wasn't surprised when I found out. You always did have an eye for a man in uniform. 'Uniform? Why I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about. It was always you, V. You were the only one...'

"Liar! Slut! Whore! Deny that you let him have his way with you, him with his armbands and jackboots! Well? Cat got your tongue? I thought as much. Very well. So you stand revealed at last. You are no longer my justice. You are his justice now. You have bedded another.

"'Sob! Choke! Wh-who is she, V? What is her name?' Her name is Anarchy. And she has taught me more as a mistress than you ever did! She has taught me that justice is meaningless without freedom. She is honest. She makes no promises and breaks none. Unlike you, Jezebel. I used to wonder why you could never look me in the eye. Now I know. So good bye, dear lady. I would be saddened by our parting even now, save that you are no longer the woman I once loved."

[He sets down a heart-shaped box with a bow.]

"Here is a final gift. I leave it at your feet."

[He bows, and walks away, and the statue of Madam Justice explodes, taking the Old Bailey with her...]

--V for Vendetta
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 28, 2009, 03:48:28 AM
"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" - Optimus Prime

What?  He was my hero when I was a kid!  ><

Same here, though I was more into Beast Wars and Dinobot. Yeeessssss. (If I reference the main villain's speech patterns, does that count as a quote?) It's a good sentiment, nonetheless.

    [The Maximals pretend that Dinobot is seriously injured to trick Starscream]
    Rattrap: [to Dinobot] Lie still! And GROAN, for cryin' out loud! You're supposed to be half-dead!
    Dinobot: If you don't shut up, Vermin, you will be my role model!

    [Dinobot is telling the Maximals about how he fought a clone of his]
    Rattrap: Besides, if there was a clone, then where is he?
    Dinobot: I'm afraid he's gone for good. A shame really. He was such a handsome creature. And…quite tasty.
    [Dinobot flicks a piece of flesh from between his teeth at Optimus Primal's face and belches. Cheetor gives him a thumbs-up, Rattrap stares at him, Rhinox frowns and Optimus says...]
    Optimus Primal: You're disgusting.
    [Dinobot smiles]

DINOBOT'S LAST WORDS:

Tell my tale to those who ask it. Tell it truly, the evil deeds along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly. The rest...is silence.

Quote
"Hello, dear lady. A lovely evening, is it not? Forgive me for intruding...I thought it was time we had a little chat, you and I. Ahh...I was forgetting that we are not properly introduced. I do not have a name. You may call me V. Madam Justice, V. V, this is Madam Justice. Hello, Madam Justice. 'Good evening, V.'

"There. Now we know each other. Actually, I've been a fan of yours for quite some time. Oh, I know what you're thinking...'The poor boy has a crush on me...an adolescent fatuation.' I beg your pardon, Madam. It isn't like that at all. I've long admired you...albeit only from a distance. I used to stare at you from the streets below when I was a child. I'd say to my father, 'Who is that lady?' And he'd say, 'That's Madam Justice.' And I'd say, 'Isn't she pretty.'

"Please don't think it was merely physical. I know you're not that sort of girl. No, I loved you as a person. As an ideal. That was a long time ago. I'm afraid there's someone else now...

"'What? V! For shame! You have betrayed me for some harlot, some vain and pouting hussy with painted lips and a knowing smile!' I, Madam? I beg to differ! It was your infidelity that drove me to her arms! Ah-ha! That surprised you, didn't it? You thought I didn't know about your little fling. But I do. I know everything! Frankly, I wasn't surprised when I found out. You always did have an eye for a man in uniform. 'Uniform? Why I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about. It was always you, V. You were the only one...'

"Liar! Slut! Whore! Deny that you let him have his way with you, him with his armbands and jackboots! Well? Cat got your tongue? I thought as much. Very well. So you stand revealed at last. You are no longer my justice. You are his justice now. You have bedded another.

"'Sob! Choke! Wh-who is she, V? What is her name?' Her name is Anarchy. And she has taught me more as a mistress than you ever did! She has taught me that justice is meaningless without freedom. She is honest. She makes no promises and breaks none. Unlike you, Jezebel. I used to wonder why you could never look me in the eye. Now I know. So good bye, dear lady. I would be saddened by our parting even now, save that you are no longer the woman I once loved."

[He sets down a heart-shaped box with a bow.]

"Here is a final gift. I leave it at your feet."

[He bows, and walks away, and the statue of Madam Justice explodes, taking the Old Bailey with her...]

--V for Vendetta

Best. Comic. Scene. Ever.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 28, 2009, 06:59:23 AM
Tell my tale to those who ask it. Tell it truly, the evil deeds along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly. The rest...is silence.

Well, I guess if you want great last words, be sure to take them from Shakespeare!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 28, 2009, 07:14:44 AM
Gotta love those Hamlet quotes:

"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."

"'Sblood, do you think I am easier to be played on than a pipe? Call me what instrument you will, though you can fret me, you cannot play upon me."

"Hear you sir; What is the reason that you use me thus? I lov'd you ever: but it is no matter. Let Hercules himself do what he may, the cat will mew, and dog will have his day."

"If thou didst ever hold me in thy heart, absent thee from felicity awhile, and in this harsh world draw thy breath in pain to tell my story. O, I die, Horatio; the potent poison quite o'er-crows my spirit: I cannot live to hear the news from England, but I do prophesy the election lights on Fortinbras: he has my dying voice. So tell him, with the occurrents, more and less, which have solicited. The rest is silence." (his dying words)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 28, 2009, 08:11:30 PM
Well, I guess if you want great last words, be sure to take them from Shakespeare!

Dinobot quoted Shakespeare a lot in the show.  Really interesting considering he doesn't at first strike you as the artsy type.

"A perfect world, the promise of every fascist..." - Spiderman

"I wish you intelligence.  I would wish you luck but that runs out sooner than you think" - Archmage Thalantyr

"Who is more the fool?  The man who sits in his old chair enjoying the sunshine or the man who labors long for a fine new chair he might get to sit in some day?" - Halfling proverb

"Victory favors neither the righteous nor the wicked.  It favors the prepared" - unknown

"A man creates, a parasite says 'where's my share?'  A man builds, a parasite says 'what will the neighbours think?'  A man invents, a parasite says 'careful, you may be stepping on the toes of God'" - Andrew Ryan
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 29, 2009, 09:44:57 AM
Dinobot quoted Shakespeare a lot in the show.  Really interesting considering he doesn't at first strike you as the artsy type.

Well, he was one of my favorite characters. I'm afraid I was too young to be aware of the Shakespeare references at the time. Blame bad public schooling. =P

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul. – George Bernard Shaw

America needs fewer laws, not more prisons. – James Bovard

War is just one more big government program. – Joseph Sobran

Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. – John Adams (1814)

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.– Benjamin Franklin

One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation. – Thomas B. Reed (1886)

If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. – Jacob Hornberger (1995)

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. – P.J. O'Rourke

The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates. – Tacitus

Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. – George Washington
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 29, 2009, 10:24:15 AM
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. – Benjamin Franklin

Okay, now you've gone and hit a button...It's "Those who would give up..." Why would Benjamin Franklin, an incredibly intelligent man and one of the greatest writers who ever lived, use such horribly bad grammar as that?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 29, 2009, 11:59:27 AM
Okay, now you've gone and hit a button...It's "Those who would give up..." Why would Benjamin Franklin, an incredibly intelligent man and one of the greatest writers who ever lived, use such horribly bad grammar as that?

Oops! Sorry! I'll fix it. I guess I really am a bit out of it. >.<
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 29, 2009, 12:21:57 PM
It's okay, a lot of people quote it that way, for some reason.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 29, 2009, 01:13:53 PM
"We have once again arrived at a moment in history where the truth can be defined as 'that which you can make other people believe.' The methodology for creating that belief is repetition. Say something enough times and it becomes, for millions of people, the truth. I am endowed like a stallion. This is why control of the media equals control of the populace. I am endowed like a stallion. And also why a state run television news channel is so very dangerous. I am endowed like a stallion. Now there are those who would argue this has already happened and that a certain cable news channel is actually a covert extension of our government. I am endowed like a stallion. The fact that the channel is run by a high-ranking party official, an anchor person from the channel became a White House spokesman, and another top-ranking party official became an on-air news commentator is often used to make this argument. I am endowed like a stallion. Of course, this fact would be entirely inconsequential if the oft-repeated falsehoods they attempt to imbed into the Zeitgeist were simply amusing, or at worst, inane. I am endowed like a stallion. But, unfortunately, that is not the case. I am endowed like a stallion. The heavy repetition of lies and smears for political gain are by no means inconsequential. I am endowed like a stallion. Which is why each and every one of us must use whatever resources we have at our disposal to disseminate the actual truth. I am endowed like a pony." --Chuck Lorre
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 29, 2009, 01:42:44 PM
"The point is, this might not seem important to you foreigners with your fancy food and your crap beaches, but Australia is a warning. It shows the world just how easy it can be to suppress what you and your hoary minions disapprove of, by exploiting bureaucracy and waving the banner of "think of the children." And even if the current authorities aren't actually evil, but are genuinely motivated to protect the innocent through completely retarded and ineffectual methods, then what happens a few governments down the line, when the same power could be in the hands of literally anyone? (anyone with a lot of money and people skills, anyway).

How easy would it be to refuse classification to games that criticize the government? Or news programs depicting jackbooted police stomping on the faces of dissenters like they're the Appalachian Trail? How soon before they can start refusing classification to human beings? We might as well just go whole hog and create "Logan's Run." At least then we'd all get laid." - Yahtzee, talking about Left4Dead 2 and other games being banned in Australia
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 29, 2009, 09:03:20 PM
From Jerome Bixby's The Man From Earth:

"Everywhere, creation myths, new Gods, so many, so different. I finally realized that it was...probably all hogwash." --John

"Anything is possible!" --Various characters

"Time...We can't see it, we can't hear it, we can't weigh it, we can't measure it in a laboratory. It's a subjective sense of becoming what we are instead of what we were a nanosecond ago, becoming what we will be in another nanosecond." --Dan

"Are you a vampire, John? Even an unknowing one? Do you stand alive and tall in a graveyard that you helped to fill? Bored, perhaps lonely, because your heart cannot keep its treasures?" --Will

"Please, permit me to be infantile by myself." --Will

"How can it be sacrilege? He hasn't said anything yet!" --Harry

"I can give you the Ten Commandments in ten words: Don't. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't!" --Harry

"Edith, I was raised on the Torah, my wife, on the Koran. My oldest son is an atheist. My youngest is a Scientologist. My daughter is studying Hinduism. I imagine that there is room there for a holy war in my living room, but we practice live and let live." --Harry

"Taken alone, the philosophical teachings of Jesus are Buddhism with a Hebrew accent: kindness, tolerance, brotherhood, love...a ruthless realism acknowledging that life is as it is here on Earth, here and now. The Kingdom of God, meaning goodness, is right here, where it should be." --Dan

"But a talking snake make a lady eat an apple, so we're screwed. Heaven and Hell were peddled so priests could rule through seduction and terror, and save our souls...that we never lost in the first place." --John

"What does Jesus have to say to those present who find it difficult to believe in him?" --Will "Believe in what he tried to teach, without rigmarole. Piety is not what the lessons bring to people; it's the mistake they bring to the lessons." --John

"That is fascinating, isn't it? A brave attempt to teach Buddhism in the west. It's no wonder he failed. We're not ready for it." --Dan

"Did you know Voltaire was the first to suggest that the universe was created by a gigantic explosion? I think Paul would agree. And then Goethe was the first to suggest that spiral nebulae were swirling masses of stars. We now call them galaxies. It's kind of funny how often new concepts of science find their first tentative forms of expression in the arts." --John

"Is that Psych 101?" --John "No, it's Woman, One on One!" --Sandy

"I sense...space. A kind of latitude of what we happily call reality, in which, as everybody keeps saying...anything's possible." --Dan

"I'm gonna go home, and I'm gonna watch Star Trek for a dose of sanity." --Dan

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 30, 2009, 10:41:31 AM
Richard Dawkins:

"I do remember one formative influence in my undergraduate life. There was an elderly professor in my department who had been passionately keen on a particular theory for, oh, a number of years, and one day an American visiting researcher came and he completely and utterly disproved our old man's hypothesis. The old man strode to the front, shook his hand and said, 'My dear fellow, I wish to thank you, I have been wrong these fifteen years.' And we all clapped our hands raw. That was the scientific ideal, of somebody who had a lot invested, a lifetime almost invested in a theory, and he was rejoicing that he had been shown wrong and that scientific truth had been advanced."

"What worries me about religion is that it teaches people to be satisfied with not understanding."

"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Sahara. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively outnumbers the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here."

"You've just said a very revealing thing. Are you telling me that the only reason you don't steal and rape and murder is that you're frightened of God?"

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

"[Pope John Paul II] suffered an assassination attempt in Rome, and attributed his survival to intervention by Our Lady of Fatima: 'A maternal hand guided the bullet'. One cannot help but wonder why she didn't guide it to miss him altogether. Others might think the team of surgeons who operated on him for six hours deserved at least a share of the credit. But perhaps their hands too were maternally guided. The relevant point is that it wasn't just Our Lady, who in the Pope's opinion guided the bullet, but specifically Our Lady of Fatima. Presumably Our Lady of Lourdes, Our Lady of Guadeloupe, Our Lady of Medjugorje, Our Lady of Akita, Our Lady of Zeitoun, Our Lady of Garabandal, and Our Lady of Knock, were busy on other errands at the time."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 30, 2009, 09:02:02 PM
"Marriage is a religious contract to theists, and a social contract to atheists and agnostics. In either case the government shouldn't be able to regulate it. Imagine if the government regulated friendships, and some politician said blacks and whites can't be friends. It is a repulsive idea, and the repulsion you feel from that, is the repulsion gays must feel every day." --TheHeather1985 in response to this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09LCETmYa-g
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 01, 2009, 06:13:56 PM
"I am a skeptic because I have experienced the joy of being wrong." --Me
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 02, 2009, 02:17:51 PM
I'm adding this quote just for its silliness. No jokes about "motto of the Republican party" or whatever.

http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/img/movie-reviews/zardoz/penisIsEvil.mp3
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 02, 2009, 02:22:35 PM
@Virgil:  LOL!!!

"That's Mama Luigi to you, Mario."  --Luigi "The Super Mario Brothers Super Show"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 03, 2009, 10:52:00 AM
"I think if God is dead, he laughed himself to death. Because, you see, we live in Eden. Genesis has got it all wrong--we never left the Garden! Look about you; this is paradise! It's hard to find, I'll grant you, but it is here. Under our feet, beneath the surface, all around us is everything we want. The Earth is shining under the soot. We are all fools." --Justin Playfair, They Might Be Giants

"There are no masses in Dodge City, only individuals taking responsibility for their own actions." --Justin Playfair, They Might Be Giants

"[Don Quixote] had a point. Of course, he carried it a bit too far. He thought that every windmill was a giant. That's insane. But, thinking that they might be? Well, all the best minds used to think the world was flat. But what if it isn't? It might be round. And bread mold might be medicine. If we never looked at things and thought of what might be, why, we'd all still be out there in the tall grass with the apes." --Justin Playfair, They Might Be Giants
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 04, 2009, 06:13:50 PM
"Compassionate Government:  Because nothing says 'I care' like a gun to the head!" --Demotivational Poster on the Mises forum I once saw.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 06, 2009, 12:56:41 PM
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." --Carl Sagan.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on October 09, 2009, 11:39:28 PM
"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain."
— Frédéric Bastiat (The Law)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 11, 2009, 01:18:56 AM

"Alright you Primitive Screwheads, listen up! You see this? This... is my boomstick! The twelve-gauge double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaPlRvjm3PY
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 11, 2009, 09:55:44 AM
"Yo Taylor, I'm really happy for you, I'mma let you finish but Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time. One of the best videos of all time!" —Kanye West, at the VMA's
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 23, 2009, 11:06:09 AM
"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance. Yet this sort of aggressive ignorance is inherent in the creed of anarcho-communism." --Murray N. Rothbard, The Death Wish of the Anarcho-Communists (http://mises.org/story/2197)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 06, 2009, 05:02:55 PM
"American conservatives can always be counted on to denounce a lame-duck president of their own party who is sinking in the polls. They worked hard to make Bush president, refrained from criticizing his egregious policies for years, focused all their ire on a mythically powerful left, and now that things aren't working out so well, they bail out.

"The conservatives denounce their presidents for the same reason that the left denounces Stalin: they want to evade responsibility for the results of the policies imposed by monsters that they themselves created. When the left does this, we know not to take it too seriously. If you give the state the right to expropriate all private property, you can't be too surprised when dictators take over.

"Similarly, when the whole of your intellectual enterprise has been wrapped up in celebrating the nation-state and its wars, condemning civil liberties, casting aspersions on religious liberty, and heralding the jail and the electric chair as the answer to all of society’s problems, you can't complain when your policies produce tin-pot despotic imperialists like Bush. You have no intellectual apparatus with which to beat them back."

--Lew Rockwell, The Great Conservative Hoax (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/conservative-hoax.html)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 20, 2009, 06:53:20 PM
"May those who love prosper; let them perish who cannot love; let them perish twice over who veto love." --Lucius Caecilius Iucundus of Pompeii
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 20, 2009, 10:39:13 PM
"Economics does not say that isolated government interference with the prices of only one commodity or a few commodities is unfair, bad, or unfeasible. It says that such interference produces results contrary to its purpose, that it makes conditions worse, not better, from the point of view of the government and those backing its interference." Ludwig Von Mises, Human Action p. 758; p. 764 Price control
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 06, 2009, 02:05:20 PM
"I don't respect your beliefs, and I don't care if your offended."  --Pat Condell, his website introduction
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 06, 2009, 02:40:53 PM
"Culture is economy."  --ladyattis
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 08, 2009, 11:47:33 AM
"'So Capitalism refers to [t]he control of means of produ[c]tion. You can have state capitalism and private capitalism.'

No, you can't.

Capitalism refers to private ownership of capital goods. Ownership entails full control over those capital goods.

State capitalism is an oxymoron. The proper term for what you want to describe is called Fascism--and it is *not* Capitalist." --BigDaddyBongos in response to oraci.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 10, 2009, 12:02:24 AM
Y'all like Carlin quotes, eh?
Even this one?

" One of the more pretentious political self-descriptions is "Libertarian." People think it puts them above the fray. It sounds fashionable, and to the uninitiated, faintly dangerous. Actually, it's just one more bullshit political philosophy. " George Carlin in Napalm and Silly Putty
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on December 10, 2009, 12:43:41 AM
Y'all like Carlin quotes, eh?
Even this one?

" One of the more pretentious political self-descriptions is "Libertarian." People think it puts them above the fray. It sounds fashionable, and to the uninitiated, faintly dangerous. Actually, it's just one more bullshit political philosophy. " George Carlin in Napalm and Silly Putty

Meh, he was like that with everyone. =P
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Post by: Gumba Masta on December 10, 2009, 12:47:46 AM
He sure was an equal-oppurtunity offender. ;D
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2009, 01:44:10 PM
Nickelodeon2002:  “A Bachelor's degree is now worth what a high school diploma was worth 30 years ago.  The dream of easier success has been propagated via the education establishment to promote their own well being rather then that of the student.  I have no doubt that a masters degree, then a PhD will soon be the ‘requirement’ for easy success, at great expense to the student.  At some point in time however the quality of instruction and its actual economic value is going factor into the system.  Can u say ‘Ed’ bubble?”
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2009, 01:51:47 PM
(More insightful comments from this video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM23TZxzOw8 )

Nyteaparty:  "This guy from Columbia got schooled."

APRtunedAudi:  "He sure did, Keynesian economists are probably the dumbest people on the planet.... its funny how the poster child for the Keynesian theory is now Robert Mugabe."

Me:  "Ha!
Robert Mugabe = Poster-boy for Keynesian Stupidity, or PKS.
I love it!"
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 13, 2009, 04:41:54 PM
"The Right to Bear Arms is not the Right to Hunt Deer. Our founding fathers were never worried about having the right to hunt taken away from them. The Right to Bear Arms is the right to arm one's population in the event an unjust government needs to be overthrown. Right now, the Right to Bear Arms is the only form of term limitations we have in the Constitution. That's why we need Uzis." --Tim Slagle
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 13, 2009, 04:43:49 PM
"I think the people who say we're going to die from Global Warming are the intellectual descendants of the people who said that if we didn't throw a virgin into the volcano a giant sea monster would come around and eat us. And then, sooner or later, there'd be an eclipse, and they'd say, 'See? We told you this would happen!' 'No, you said we'd be eaten by a giant sea monster.' 'Well, whaddya think's blocking out the sun?' 'Oh! Well, we'd better throw in a virgin, then! Sure hope we can find one...'" --Tim Slagle
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 13, 2009, 05:07:54 PM
"There was an audio book version of the book version of the film version of [Al Gore's] PowerPoint presentation ["An Inconvenient Truth"]. It was read by Beau Bridges, Blair Underwood, and Cynthia Nixon. Apparently, it took three actors to get through the whole thing without falling asleep." --Tim Slagle
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Post by: Gumba Masta on December 13, 2009, 05:11:35 PM
So is that why Al Gore invented the Internet! That way at least someone listens to his speeches.
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Post by: AHPMB on December 13, 2009, 05:15:31 PM
Thomas Paine, my favorite American of all time:

"Society is produced by our wants, government is produced by our wickedness...Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state is a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one."
From Common Sense

James Madison

"Religion. The inefficacy of this restraint on individuals is well known. The conduct of every popular Assembly, acting on oath, the strongest of religious ties, shows that individuals join without remorse in acts against which their consciences would revolt, if proposed to them separately in their closets."

From his letters to Jefferson

Richard Dawkins quoting a former editor of New Scientist Magazine

"Science is interesting, and if you don't like it you can fuck off."
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 13, 2009, 08:20:43 PM
"Al Gore has said that 'El Niño' is Spanish for 'Global Warming.' I think 'Al Gore' is Democratic for 'Dan Quayle.'" --Tim Slagle
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 13, 2009, 11:13:54 PM
"I think Shane Killian is a pretty cool guy; eh pwns hoaxtards and creationists and doesn't afraid of anything!" - Me, in response to Guest655321 saying I looked like Shane's "lackey".
(http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/f1/Trollface_HD.jpg)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 20, 2009, 06:44:51 PM
"What you are not permitted to do in a free market is use violence in the attempt to create an artificial scarcity." --Murray N. Rothbard, Power & Market
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 21, 2009, 02:30:55 PM
"As the area of your knowledge grows, so too does the perimeter of your ignorance." --Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 21, 2009, 02:44:30 PM
"Unless you are a creationist, a moon hoaxer and/or a State Cultist, in which case, there is no bound to the level of ignorance you will possess." --Me in response to the above quote.
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 21, 2009, 02:54:31 PM
That wasn't what he meant. What he said was basically, the more you learn, the more you realize there is to learn. The dogmatists keep their knowledge low, and so remain ignorant of their own ignorance.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 21, 2009, 03:46:56 PM
That wasn't what he meant. What he said was basically, the more you learn, the more you realize there is to learn. The dogmatists keep their knowledge low, and so remain ignorant of their own ignorance.
Oh, I know what he meant and I whole-hardily agree with him.
I was just feeling snarky.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 21, 2009, 05:10:00 PM
"People say I'm indecisive but I don't know about that." --A U.S. President I can't remember the name of
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Post by: Gumba Masta on December 22, 2009, 02:13:10 PM
"Most people call me a contrarian but I don't agree with them." Something I read somewhere, sometime by someone.
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Post by: valvatica on December 22, 2009, 02:22:04 PM
"Liberty cannot be imposed on anybody, only Tyranny can. If Liberty is given, then the last man on Earth would be in chains." --FlowCell
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 22, 2009, 02:22:34 PM
"I know we all agree that we ought to love one another, but I know that there are people out there who do not love their fellow human beings, and I HATE people like that!" --Tom Lehrer
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 22, 2009, 03:43:08 PM
"If you don't hear from me in a month, send dinner." --The king of Hyrule (via sentence mixing on a youtube poop)
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 22, 2009, 04:53:55 PM
More Tom Lehrer:

"I find enough mystery in mathematics to satisfy my spiritual needs. I think, for example, that pi is mysterious enough (don't get me started!) without having to worry about God. Or if pi isn't enough, how about fractals? or quantum mechanics?"

"I do have a cause though. It's obscenity. I'm for it!"

"One problem that recurs more and more frequently these days, in books and plays and movies, is the inability of people to communicate with the people they love: husbands and wives who can't communicate, children who can't communicate with their parents, and so on. And the characters in these books and plays and so on, and in real life, I might add, spend hours bemoaning the fact that they can't communicate. I feel that if a person can't communicate, the very least he can do is to shut up."

"The real issues I don't think most people touch. The Clinton jokes are all about Monica Lewinsky and all that stuff and not about the important things, like the fact that he wouldn't ban landmines."

"I think my target was not so much evil, but benign stupidity: people doing stupid things without realizing or, instead, thinking they were doing good."
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 22, 2009, 05:15:34 PM
More Tom Lehrer:

"I find enough mystery in mathematics to satisfy my spiritual needs. I think, for example, that pi is mysterious enough (don't get me started!) without having to worry about God. Or if pi isn't enough, how about fractals? or quantum mechanics?"
I think I like this guy.
He must be even more fascinated with Euler's Identity:  e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 22, 2009, 07:16:46 PM
"In the Bible, there's The Old Testament, and The New Testament, but the New Testament's 2000 years old. I think it should be called The Old Testament and The Slightly More Recent Testament." --Steven Wright
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 22, 2009, 08:21:28 PM
People tend to think us Jedi can do no wrong but we all know it's not like that at all.  I'm not just talking about how we can fall to the dark side either.  I mean sure, yes that is proof of our fallibility but I mean how even the purest, most noble, robe wearing jedi can act with nothing but the best of intentions and still get it completely wrong - Jole, Knights of the Old Republic
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 23, 2009, 05:04:11 PM
H.L. Mencken:

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary."

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

"Progress: The process whereby the human race has got rid of whiskers, the vermiform appendix  and God."

"There is always a well-known solution to every human problem—neat, plausible, and wrong."

"The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos."

"The only good bureaucrat is one with a pistol at his head. Put it in his hand and it's good-bye to the Bill of Rights."

"Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty—and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies."

"I believe in only one thing and that thing is human liberty. If ever a man is to achieve anything like dignity, it can happen only if superior men are given absolute freedom to think what they want to think and say what they want to say. I am against any man and any organization which seeks to limit or deny that freedom."

"Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under."
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 23, 2009, 05:48:28 PM
"Just because something is imaginary, doesn't mean it isn't real!" --The dude from the Imagination Land Episode of South Park.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 23, 2009, 05:51:17 PM
"Drugs are bad, MKay?" --Mr. Mackey on South Park, and me on Shane's Drug War videos. :P
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 23, 2009, 06:20:31 PM
If we're doing cartoon characters:

"Facts—I'm sick of facts! You can use them to prove anything that's even REMOTELY true!" —Homer Simpson
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 23, 2009, 06:27:47 PM
Shane?
I think you already posted that. :P

"I love the feel of grain
The screams of a man in pain
Blood coming down like rain, showering me!

That everlasting thrill
During the final kill
Body dumped in a landfill
Got off Scot free." --Brown Ferret, Ferrets, by Jason Steele (http://www.filmcow.com/ferrets.html)
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 23, 2009, 07:39:37 PM
Bah, it's hard to keep track in a 7-page thread...
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 23, 2009, 07:52:14 PM
Bah, it's hard to keep track in a 7-page thread...
You must love that quote.

"Ich bin ein Berliner."  --JFK
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Post by: Virgil0211 on December 24, 2009, 01:23:05 AM
You must love that quote.

"Ich bin ein Berliner."  --JFK

"Essen mein scheise gehen."- Random German dude to Cartman's mom in "South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut".

"[Blackadder has just unwittingly slammed the door in the faces of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert]
Ebeneezer Blackadder: I am not at home to guests!
Prince Albert: I flatter myzelf ve are llather special guests, sir.
Ebeneezer Blackadder: Oh, of course, I must apologize! It isn't often that one receives a Christmas visit from two such distinguished guests.
Prince Albert: Ah, zo you llecognize us at last!
Ebeneezer Blackadder: Yes! Unless I'm very much mistaken, you're the winner of the 'Round Britain Shortest Fattest Dumpiest Woman Competition. And for her to be accompanied by the winner of this year's Stupidest Accent Award is really quite overwhelming.
Queen Victoria: [inaudible exclamation]
Ebenezer Blackadder: Cork it, fatso! Don't you realise that this is the Victorian Age, where apart from Queen Piglet-Features herself, women and children are to be seen and not heard!
Prince Albert: Queen Piglet-Features!
Ebenezer Blackadder: Yes! "Empress Oink," us lads call her. The only person in the kingdom who looks dafter than her is that stupid Frankfurter of a husband. "The Pig and the Prig," we call them. How they ever managed to produce their one hundred and twelve children is quite beyond me. The bed-chambers of Buckingham Palace must be copiously supplied with blindfolds!
Queen Victoria: Why, we've never been so insulted in our entire lives!
Ebenezer Blackadder: Well, all I can say is 'you've been damned lucky!'"

From The Blackadder Christmas Carol
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 24, 2009, 09:01:28 PM

A sample:  "It then presents a biased view of creationism..."
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Post by: valvatica on December 24, 2009, 09:31:32 PM
"It then presents a biased view of creationism..."

I've brought up before that he refers to it as both "creationism" and "intelligent design" in the original Way of the Master video. So much for trying to defend the fact that they are "entirely different" things  ::)
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 25, 2009, 10:52:54 PM
All life carries the essence of stars - Rosalina

When you think about it, that's actually quite true.  Who'd have thought a character from a Mario game would get it right?
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 27, 2009, 12:07:14 AM
(By the way, all the pictures I had in this thread are back up and running (viewable) again. :) )

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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 28, 2009, 03:47:57 PM
"ALL CREATIONISTS ARE LIARS." --Shane D. Killian, after correcting a Creationist/IDiot.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 28, 2009, 03:50:59 PM
"We haven't found a gene for race, ergo, race must be a choice."  ConfederalSocialist being satirical.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 28, 2009, 03:51:27 PM
"You can't have your cake, and eat it too." --Unknown
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 28, 2009, 03:52:23 PM
"On the other hand, there are five more fingers." --Steven Wright (Thanks Shane!)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 28, 2009, 03:52:53 PM
"A bird in the hand is worth half in the stew."  --Me
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 28, 2009, 03:53:28 PM
"I'm very hard now." --Dr. Rabbit on a YouTube Poop
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 28, 2009, 03:55:25 PM
"There's nothing to fear, me and Ray Comfort are going to have gay 69 intercourse." --Kirk Cameron on that YouTube Poop I linked to.
"Kirt Camera is a pretty cool guy, eh has gay 69 sex and doesn't afraid of anything!" --Me in response to said YouTube Poop.
(http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/f1/Trollface_HD.jpg)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 28, 2009, 03:57:53 PM
"The consumers suffer when the laws of the country prevent the most efficient entrepreneurs from expanding the sphere of their activities. What made some enterprises develop into big business was precisely their success in filling best the demand of the masses." --Ludwig von Mises, Planned Chaos, p. 22, AntiTrust Laws
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 28, 2009, 03:59:56 PM
"Under capitalism, material success depends on the appreciation of a mans achievements on the part of the sovereign consumers. In this regard there is no difference between the services rendered by a manufacturer and those rendered by a producer, an actor or a playwright." --Ludwig von Mises, The Anti-Capitalistic Mentality,  p. 31 Arts
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 28, 2009, 04:02:21 PM
"It is an enormous simplification to speak of the American mind. Every American has his own mind." --Ludwig von Mises, Theory and History, pp. 191-92 America

"All rational action is in the first place individual action. Only the individual thinks. Only the individual reasons. Only the individual acts." --Ludwig von Mises, Socialism, p. 97 Action

"Ludwig von Mises is the shit." --Me
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 28, 2009, 04:10:26 PM
"On the other hand, there are five more fingers." --also unknown

Steven Wright.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 28, 2009, 05:31:37 PM
Thanks, Shane. :)

"As the Government gets more and more oppressive, as taxes get higher and higher, more and more people are going to look to evade these taxes in order to simply survive." --Peter Schiff, Health Care, The "Patriot" Act & the U.S. Constitution (http://youtube.com/watch?v=E0KTFHNU7Ag)
Peter Schiff is win.
I suggest everyone here watch the entire video for full context. :)
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Post by: Gumba Masta on December 28, 2009, 07:32:13 PM
"You can't have your cake, and eat it too." --Unknown

But you can't eat it when you don't have it either.
...You're fucked any way...it's hopeless...it's...Oblivion! @_@

Sorry um... What were we talking about?
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 28, 2009, 07:36:58 PM
Also, there's no point in having a cake if you're not going to eat it.

I always thought that was a stupid expression.
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Post by: Gumba Masta on December 28, 2009, 07:51:08 PM
The cake is a lie!
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 28, 2009, 08:53:55 PM
@Shane/MrBogosity:  True, I thought the same thing when I heard it (aside from confusion).
I suppose it just means that there are going to be times when you have to choose.
For example, you can have freedom, or you can have a welfare/warfare state (to use examples from the Mises Institute and Ron Paul respectively); you can't have both.

@Gumba Masta:  And here I was wondering if anyone would try to make the link between those two sayings. :P



Some more good quotes:

"Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what's going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?" --Will Rogers

"Christmas is the time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay for it. Deficits are when adults tell government what they want and their kids pay for it." --Richard Lamm

"[Keynesian] Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists." --John Kenneth Galbraith

"DO NOT WANT!!!" --An internet meme
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 28, 2009, 09:36:22 PM
"While it is true that Taxation is robbery, I find that, like other forms of theft, it exists in varying degrees of severity.  The least severe would be simple direct taxation, usually in the form of a sales tax.  Above that would be taxes that are less subtle for more specific things (e.g. Telephone tax).  When you tax something directly, it is like discrimination (sort of) among services and goods.  Beyond that would be taxation for things long since past that we didn't have any responsibility for, such as the Spanish War Tax.  Beyond that would be taxes on productive behavior (Income Tax, Corporate Tax, Capital Gains Tax, Death Tax, Taxes on Dividends, etc).  Not only do they make up among the biggest source of income for a State that cannot deserve the funds, they also mess with the market incentive structure, slowing growth and accumulation of capital.  This harms the people who the politicians would try to help most with their "income re-distribution schemes".   There are still worse.   In third place would be a direct inflation tax, when the Federal Reserve prints money, either to pay off debts, or to "stimulate the economy".  This causes a vast host of problems ranging from Inflation, the destruction/devaluation of capital, to the boom and bust cycles.  It is this high up because it just so goddamn deceitful.
However, there is a spin that can be made on this that can make it worse.  It ties for first place.
What are these two most evil forms of theft from the State?
They are:
a.  Borrowing money via deficit Spending which has all of the effects listed along with having to pay it back WITH INTEREST.  It is the worst of every world.
b.  State Regulations.  From what I understand, not only do they make us less safe (FDA and AMA) they also brutalize our economy.  Each job given to a regulator takes away 150 jobs from the private sector and vise versa, all under the pretext of making us safer when they don't.
Don't even get me started how they hurt our liberties..."
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2009, 12:24:26 AM
"The State in the U.S. now extorts 75% of our wealth through both direct and indirect means.  Sometimes I just wish the State would just give everyone a flat tax of 75% and completely stayed out of everything, and did nothing else.  That would suck, but at least that would be HONEST." --Me
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 29, 2009, 12:31:58 PM
When I accused someone supporting a censorship law of being inconsistent, he responded by telling me it's better to judge things on an individual basis than worry about being consistent.

My response...

"You say it as though the two things were mutually exclusive.  Virtue requires consistency, otherwise at best, you're only doing the right thing some of the time."

It was never responded to.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2009, 04:27:57 PM
>_>
<_<

"DEMOCRASHEY! FUCK YEAH! TWO WOLVES AND LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO EAT, YEAH!!!" --Morrakiu, making fun of democracy.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2009, 06:08:53 PM
"Statism is a religion that I simply do not practice. I obey because I'm under threat of violence to accept the tenants of a religion, the beliefs of which I simply do not share. I have no faith in this man-made religion known as Statism." --Dale Everett, Rejecting the Religion of Statism (http://youtube.com/watch?v=C90gWl6cils)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2009, 07:29:51 PM
"I would just like to take a moment to clarify something since there seem to be a lot of different interpretations of what I mean when I poke fun at “minarchists”.

When I use the term “minarchism”, I’m referring to an individual belief system, someone who believes a small government is necessary, and perhaps evil. A minarchist believes that government has a role in protecting life, liberty, and property. By itself, that wouldn’t be worthy of ridicule, but where it falls apart is when they insist that it must be an authoritarian monopoly on violence, i.e. that it must exert a supreme authority over a certain geographic region and individuals cannot choose to act apart from it. By its very nature, such a thing will never protect life, liberty, and property. Such a thing is inherently contradictory to such values. If, on the other hand, you can let go of the idea of it being a monopoly, then it is subject to the controls of the free market and regains the accountability that’s essential for it to ever do more good than harm.

Secondly, while I have no faith in politics to get us any degree of freedom in the big scheme of things, I have nothing against a gradual approach. Agorism takes a gradual approach and I believe in agorism. I’m all for taking little bites out of the elephant if it works. In fact, I am concerned that existing governments may rapidly collapse due to their own incompetence and some degree of chaos will inevitably ensue because most people remain in a child-like state of subservience and don’t know how to live as adults. They have no idea how to function outside the rule of governments. However, I don’t think it’s something we should try to induce and I certainly don’t believe in using violence to overthrow the government. I don’t think it’s either right or viable. I think we need to be building up voluntary versions of the services we currently ascribe to monopoly governments while at the same time acting as wrenches by refusing to comply with existing violent governments. Something along those lines is what I believe will make gradual progress toward more individual freedom.

Most importantly, both minarchism and anarchism are individual points of view, or philosophies about how to maintain civilized society. It’s only when individuals evolve that society will make progress. When I hear someone talk about whether anarchy is possible, I cringe. This is where I differ with many anarchists. Society cannot exist in a state of anarchy because it’s a fiercely individualist philosophy. It is possible for YOU to achieve it because it happens when YOU personally transcend the indoctrination that will allow YOU to stop being a cog in the machine of violent governments, and to at least begin to consider becoming a wrench. Once you understand that, then you realize how silly it is to think of minarchy as a step on the way to anarchy. Anarchy, as a philosophy, is the first and most crucial step that individuals must make in order for all of us to make progress toward a smaller and less intrusive government. As long as you see government as a necessary thing, as the protector of your liberties, you are seriously deceived and have little hope of making any progress toward even shrinking it.

But the good thing about minarchists is their hearts are in the right place. They are the hope of the future. Almost every anarchist was a minarchist somewhere along the way. So if you’re a minarchist and you’re offended, just realize I’m also kind of poking fun of myself. It wasn’t that long ago that I was where you are."  --Dale Everett, The source (warning, will be offensive to Minarchists) (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2009/06/26/top-10-causes-of-minarchism-7/)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2009, 07:47:12 PM
(For those wondering, yes, I'm in an Anarchist mood at the moment.  Don't worry, I have only three more from Dale to provide and (unless I find more neat stuff) I'll give it a rest.)

"In The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, a massive super computer is asked for a simple answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything. It spends 7 and a half million years to determine that the answer is 42. Of course, the realization is quickly made that a simple answer to an extremely complex question, or more accurately many difficult questions, is ridiculous on its face. The real answers to all the big problems are not easy, however badly we may desire them to be.

A lot of irrational beliefs have been fostered and perpetuated by barbaric civilizations in their desperate quest for answers. Virgins have been thrown into volcanoes to appease angry volcano gods. Rain dances have been performed to water dried up crops. People pray to various gods to heal a sick loved one. I happen to be an atheist. If I tell a person his prayers won’t work because his god doesn’t exist, it’s not so I can give him a new god to pray to instead. The point is encouraging him to abandon the simplistic answer to a very difficult problem so he can face the cold hard reality. There are many realistic cures for cancer being pursued with varying degrees of success, but they can be painful, time-consuming, expensive, and don’t always work. If he pursues these and his loved one gets better, his god will get the credit. If not, he will make excuses. Perhaps his faith wasn’t strong enough! Through an atheist’s eyes, his prayers had little to do with his loved one getting better except perhaps from a placebo effect.

We look to governments in much the same way we look to gods, to offer us easy answers. Similarly, when things work, we give governments credit. When they don’t, we make excuses. We still have crime, war, car accidents, poverty, sickness, and death, despite the fix-all of authoritarian monopolistic governments, and sometimes because of. Instead, governments are forgiven for these massive failures and we continue to insist they have some crucial role to play.

I don’t present anarchy as an alternative fix-all solution just as atheism is not a cure for cancer. If I tell you that your prayers are doing nothing to heal a sick loved one, that doesn’t mean I have a cure for their cancer. It just means I’m encouraging you to seek any one of many possible treatments that have some basis in reality. Otherwise your efforts are futile at best, and possibly even harmful if they’re delaying you from pursuing real solutions.

The answers to the difficult problems aren’t simplistic. We can’t simply pass the buck to gods and governments and expect them to get resolved. It’s a hard pill that we each must swallow if we’re to evolve our societies. Our irrational beliefs provide comforting delusions not easily given up. This is true of notions of gods, mysticism, and paternalistic governments.

When someone asks me something like how anarchy will prevent crime, the question sounds absurd. The question has it’s origins in an incorrect presumption that our governments are preventing crime. Instead, police spend most of their time creating and enforcing false crimes like making plant possession illegal, and writing tickets to predominantly innocent people to pay their own salaries. Meanwhile, the false sense of security they provide to true believers prevents them from taking measures that would actually make them safer like fortifying their homes, getting sufficient insurance, and arming themselves for self protection. Anarchy won’t prevent crime, but preventing the crimes perpetrated by governments would certainly be a good start in the right direction.

As an anarchist, I will confidently tell you that violent authoritarian models of government are not answers at all. They don’t solve life’s many complex problems. It doesn’t mean I have a simple solution to offer in their place. The answer many will not want to hear is that there is no superior government to offer, just as there are no new gods with healing powers to replace those whose existence I have denied. The unpleasant but truthful response is to shatter the comforting delusions so we can start the hard but inevitable march toward finding real solutions to the problems life throws at us.

Just like religions, governments comfort us with fantasies. They claim we need them to protect us from crime, but they’re the greatest perpetrators of crime. Governments take more money from us on a regular basis than thieves would ever manage to steal in their absence. Police are locking up innocent people for victimless crimes, sometimes killing them in the line of duty or torturing them with tasers while their government status protects them from the repercussions of their actions. The supposedly free country of the U.S. locks up a larger percentage of the population than any country in history. The exorbitantly expensive war in Iraq is killing our loved ones as well as countless Iraqis, all the while fueling anger that makes us more likely targets for terrorism. Right now the massive bailout is taking money from our economy and giving it to favored elite in the name of helping us. They’re swiping more wealth from the poor and middle class in one fell swoop than all the welfare they’ve ever offered throughout history, and handing it over to their wealthy supporters. They’ll amputate our legs and then offer us a free wheelchair to show how badly we need them. Authoritarian governments haven’t reduced crime. They’ve simply claimed a monopoly on it.

Why doesn’t the rain come when we do the dance? We all have a sense that governments are horribly off in some way or another but can’t quite put our fingers on it so we keep doing all the same rituals to try and fix it. Democrat and Republican candidates get more alike each election, but voters keep thinking that if they just get their guys in there, the “good guys”, and get the “bad guys” out, it will make things better. The truth is they’re all bad guys and the inherently corrupt system makes them that way. The vote they recently had was a ritual designed to reinforce and validate an irrational belief that authoritarian monopolies can be in any way accountable to the people.

Governments continue to fail us because we’ve put our faith in something that makes no sense. We’ve consolidated power but we haven’t consolidated morality. We handed our teeth and our testicles over to governments, attempting to delegate solving all the really difficult problems. People have faith that it will act on their behalf, but there’s no logic backing that faith. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. In our desperation for simple answers, we have perpetuated an irrational belief that the only way society can function peacefully is if one organization has all of the power. Many call it a monopoly on violence as if that’s a good and necessary thing! They insist that governments be monopolistic over a region and that means they have to exercise violence or the threat thereof to maintain those monopolies, usually against innocent people. In essence, they claim government can only work if it’s a criminal organization. The exact opposite is in fact the case. The checks and balances that the founding fathers tried to institute are nothing more than internal checks and balances of a criminal organization on itself. There is no way to watch the watchers. Effective checks and balances can exist only to the extent that we manage to distribute power back out to sovereign individuals.

To those with a continued religious faith in the state, I say the authoritarian but also benevolent government you want is a paradox. It does not exist and cannot be created no matter how badly you desire it. Just as atheism is only a solution to futile mysticism, anarchy is only a solution to one problem, but one which is quite pervasive– the irrational belief that an organization which is inherently criminal can also be benevolent. Anarchy is not an answer in itself. It’s simply a rejection of the false answer.

There are many paths and many solutions to the difficult problems. There are many ways for us to work together without enslaving all of humanity under tyrannical mob bosses. There are many ways to fight crime without becoming criminals ourselves. There are many ways to help the poor without becoming thieves. In fact, there would be a lot less poor if governments stopped pillaging the economy. If someone doesn’t amputate your legs, you won’t need them to provide a wheelchair. Problems are solved by many people with expertise in different areas all focusing on what they’re good at. The ultimate checks and balances are the result of a truly free market of individuals working together. I’m skilled in many areas, but there are far more areas where I lack expertise. I have no idea how to make shoes and yet I am wearing nice shoes which government didn’t provide.

So anarchy isn’t the answer. However, it is the beginning of finding real answers. Anarchy is merely a rejection of falsities. The anarchist has chosen to abandon childish fantasies and face reality, and in so doing is better equipped for pooling his skills in a mutually voluntary fashion with other awakened individuals toward finding real solutions. Realizing that the magic bullet solution we’ve been pursuing is irrational and hopeless is only the first step, but it’s an absolutely crucial step if we’re to make progress toward real freedom, peace, and prosperity." --Dale Everett, Anarchy Isn’t The Answer (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2008/11/28/anarchy-isnt-the-answer/)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2009, 07:51:17 PM
"I’m getting asked a certain question a lot lately. Why pick on minarchists? We’re on the same side! Why aren’t you picking on socialists more? I’m glad I was asked because it made me put some thought into best how to express this with words. What is it about the philosophy of minarchism that really gets up in my craw?

And then it occurred to me. Anarchists and minarchists in one key respect are polar opposites. I’ve said before that there is an ocean between an anarchist and a minarchist, but only a creek between a minarchist and a socialist and I can finally nail it down succinctly. An anarchist believes that a monopoly government is the source of our enslavement. A minarchist believes a monopoly government is crucial to protecting our liberties. Exact opposites! So why do people keep saying we’re on the same side? Presumably it’s because we have similar preferences. We both love liberty.

Now let’s compare minarchists to socialists. A socialist will justify aggression on the basis of need. Food, shelter, and medical care are all essential needs and a socialist feels justified in using aggressive violence to satisfy those needs. On that same basis, a socialist will also absolve individuals of responsibility and pass that responsibility onto “society” which is a very abstract and subjective thing, a calamity of collectivism, which of course is why it’s such a disaster in implementation. It’s why individuals fail to develop a sense of their own responsibility and become incredibly dependent on their governments, remaining in a childlike state with governments assuming the role of their parents.

So now let’s compare minarchists to socialists. A minarchist loves liberty a lot. A minarchist also believes aggressive violence against innocent people is justified due to a critical need, but only for that which suits their personal preference, i.e. providing for the protection of liberty. This is commonly defended in the same manner that socialists use for justifying aggressive violence, i.e. on the basis of need*. The minarchist claim is that we are responsible for providing for all of our own needs whether it be food, shelter, health care, or educating our children, but when it comes to the most crucial thing that’s at the foundation of all the others, they absolve the individual of responsibility and pass that crucial task on to a murky subjective thing, that calamity of collectivism known as “society”.

It’s for this reason that I believe the minarchist approach to liberty is such an utter failure. I don’t argue against minarchism to pick nits or because I’m a purist. I’m a long way from being a purist. If I were, I’d stop making calculated decisions regarding my activism. I’d drive without a license and I wouldn’t pay a single penny in taxes no matter what, even if it meant pointlessly rotting in a jail cell or living as a hermit in a booger hut.

No, I argue against minarchism because I believe principles are pragmatic and that the promotion of minarchism is a big part of the problem. They’re arguing against socialism out of one side of their mouths while proposing a slight variation on socialism out of the other side. It’s an incredibly weak argument and makes an easy target for our opponents to poke holes in. I love them because we have a common interest, but I feel a need to exercise great care in how I team up with them because the act can make me an easy target right along with them. It can be quite a liability from a completely utilitarian and pragmatic point of view. The irony that they’ve often felt the same way about me has not escaped me.

In the process of defending minarchy, one is also inevitably defending socialism. It is for that reason that I am so skeptical of whether minarchy is even possible. Governments, like a cancer, don’t stay small as long as they have legitimacy and they don’t get smaller as long as they have near 100% compliance with their demands and massive moral support. Can we have much smaller government? I hope so and I’m an optimist. I think we can. I’m sure we can make governments smaller, which I would be thrilled to do, but it will require anarchism to get on the right track.

Minarchists, I love you like I love a pet that just won’t potty-train. I know you’re trying your darnedest, but it sure is frustrating. I’m going to keep making fun of you, but just remember that it’s playful ribbing from a friend; an incredibly condescending and tactless friend, but a friend nonetheless.

* Here’s a little thought game for objectivists. Grab a highlighting pen and go through some of your blog posts against anarchism. Now highlight everywhere you say the word 'need'. Can I get an “Oh, SNAP!” from some of my gay fans?" --Dale Everett, Anarchists & Minarchists & Socialists, oh, my! (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2009/06/30/anarchists-minarchists-socialists-oh-my/)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2009, 08:03:02 PM
"Here’s your chance to sell me on the notion so make it good. Bare in mind, however, that I’m a critical thinker and I’m looking for logical arguments without the usual presumptions like “It’s always been done this way.” If we invented really efficient and clean-running hovercrafts, it would be silly to cling to the idea of wheels just because that’s how it’s been done for thousands of years. I’m also tired of arguments from need which are irrelevant. It doesn’t matter how much we need unicorns if they don’t exist or voodoo spells if they don’t work. There’s no point in having a discussion about the benefits of unicorns and their healing and purifying magical powers until someone convinces me they exist or they can create them.

And of course, there is the ever common presumption that minarchy “works”, but that would be circular because that’s the point of this post. I don’t believe it can work and in fact I think it’s counter-intuitive to think that it would. I see no historical evidence that societies are better off thanks to the existence of monopoly governments and I see no evidence that such things can stay small, and that’s what I mean by “work”. I think the record for a semi-smallish monopoly government is about 8 and a half minutes for the American version before the tyrannical power grab known as the Constitution, give or take a few years.

So please make an effort to abandon the common presumptions. Pretend I’ve not been to the government indoctrination centers known as public schools and that I haven’t spent my developing years immersed in a society that takes it as a given that the way to less violence is through violence. I would also appreciate if you will have your discussion with me and not just continue some discussion you’ve had with other anarchists. I am not proposing an alternative to your minarchist system. I’m sure that may seem convenient, but it’s the only way I can be intellectually honest. I suggest this post of mine for clarification, but I will put it another way. As a minarchist, you are the one suggesting one magic pill that cures all ills. I am not suggesting that such a thing exists or can be created. I am not aiming to replace your blanket system with some other. I do not have to know a cure for cancer to demand proof that voodoo spells are anything other than a complete waste of time and resources or that certain voodoo rituals may even be harmful to the intended recipient.

So to be clear on semantics, what I am referring to is an authoritarian style monopoly on violence being presented as a means to achieving a more civilized society than we could have if we withdrew our support from such things and began to individually but cooperatively oppose tyranny and mystical claims to authority in all its forms whenever it pops up its ugly head. Please attempt to disregard previous discussions with other anarchists and whatever straw-men arguments they have conveniently provided you to knock down. You are not arguing against something. You are arguing for something. There are many problems that societies face in their attempts to work out the differences among themselves and I posit that there are many solutions to those problems and I see every reason to allow people to try whatever they think might work as long as they aren’t violating anyone’s rights in the process, the one thing that minarchists insist must be done for their magic pill to work.

Here’s a tip. When you inevitably ignore my request against arguments of need and argue that we need authority figures because humans are inherently incapable of civilized behavior without them, please explain where that authority will come from that will cause those particular flawed humans to be morally superior to the others. For instance, if it originates from some god who is presumably superior morally to us flawed humans, you’re going to first have to take a few steps back and convince me of its existence. You will then need to convince me that this god has in fact granted its authority to some particular mortal agents causing them to overcome this otherwise tragic flaw in human nature. If you have a magic piece of paper, a magic badge, a magic title, or a magic black robe that corrects this inherent flaw of moral imperfection in human beings, you’ll need to explain to me how the ritual works that creates these talismans. And I’m afraid “majority support” is epic fail as an answer so can we please keep the discussion moving forward? Majorities have been violently exploiting minorities for all of recorded history.

Are you beginning to get a sense of why I am skeptical of Utopian magic pill solutions? Humans are as varied in personalities and motivations as snowflakes which makes for some complicated problems when we try to get along in a civilized manner. It will likely take us a lot of trial and error in a free market to find good solutions for these many problems. Monopoly governments have been doing more harm than good for thousands of years. All I suggest is that we finally abandon our fantasies so we can begin to get to work on real solutions. But if you actually have the snake oil elixir that fixes everything and it really works, I will gleefully burn all my anarchist and voluntaryist t-shirts and stand in line to buy some from your booth at the next Porcfest! Until then, I hope you will understand why I find the notion thoroughly worthy of ridicule in comic strip form.

In closing, I have a crazy notion for you to consider. Let’s change individuals. With each individual who learns what it really means to behave morally and to co-exist in a civilized manner with his or her neighbors, society gets a little bit better. That’s one more person who will contribute his ingenuity and brotherly love to humanity’s many problems. That’s one more person who will appreciate the value of peace and tolerance for others and their differences and pass on that value to his children; teach that value to his neighbors. It’s a realistic and gradualist approach. It’s not an attempt to suddenly and violently overthrow governments. It’s not Utopian. Blanket solutions for all of society are mystical. Individual changes are realistic and possible and those changes can ripple out to other individuals and have an exponential positive impact and make quantifiable steady progress toward peace and prosperity. Those of us who have chosen to be civilized will be better equipped than any slave for working together voluntary to protect our rights and provide for our mutual benefit. Anarchy is not a violent system that we attempt to impose on millions of people with or without their consent. Simply choose right now to consistently reject arbitrary and mystical claims to rulership of one man over another. Such designs are inherently exploitative and harmful. Anarchy is possible. Anarchy is in your head and in your heart the instant you are ready to embrace it." --Dale Everett, Is Minarchy Possible? (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2009/06/29/is-minarchy-possible/)
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Post by: Virgil0211 on December 30, 2009, 02:44:26 PM
"No, not worst. Typical." -My father in response to this video:
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Post by: Gumba Masta on December 31, 2009, 04:46:03 PM
"Rule 29: The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less."   7 Habbits of highly successful pirates - Taken from Schlock Mercenary by Howard Taylor.
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 31, 2009, 05:04:06 PM
"Communicating badly and then acting smug when you're misunderstood is not cleverness." --XKCD #169
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Post by: Gumba Masta on December 31, 2009, 05:25:25 PM
"Comuniwire Cattaping"    The original Bionic Commando for the NES   
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2009, 05:27:00 PM
"Communicating badly and then acting smug when you're misunderstood is not cleverness." --XKCD #169

"That just about sums up guys like Harry Felker on the Mises Institute forum." --Me in response to the above quote.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 01, 2010, 06:02:58 PM
"And THIS is the contradiction of the Statist. People are evil so they need to be ruled over by a Government.

But who’s going to make up that Government aside from those same evil people; who, of course, will likely end up being even more evil, because they will have control over a monopoly of the initiation of force?" --Me modifying something Shane once said.
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 02, 2010, 01:51:01 AM
"Beware those who have taken authority as the truth rather than the truth as authority"
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Post by: MrBogosity on January 02, 2010, 05:45:56 PM
"If something's of supreme importance, then it's all the more necessary to keep politicians away from it." --nonantianarchist on YouTube
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 02, 2010, 06:09:33 PM
"If something's of supreme importance, then it's all the more necessary to keep politicians away from it." --nonantianarchist on YouTube
"That includes such extremely important things like the police, courts, defense, prisons and the law." --Me, in response to the above quote
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 02, 2010, 08:59:33 PM
"Snooping as usual, I see."  --Dr. Robotnik, in The Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog
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Post by: Gumba Masta on January 03, 2010, 03:57:21 AM
"Just because the World descends into madness you are not allowed to indulge in your personal delusions."
What do you think, does this belong here?
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Post by: valvatica on January 03, 2010, 04:16:37 AM
"Are you children here to act like the U.N. or to squabble and waste time?"
--Principal Skinner addressing the junior U.N. club, The Simpsons
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 03, 2010, 06:40:10 PM
The irony!
It burns! lol!

"Those who think that the destruction of war increases total 'demand' forget that demand and supply are merely two sides of the same coin.  They are the same thing looked at from different directions.  Supply creates demand because at bottom it is demand.  The supply of the thing they make is all that people have, in fact, to offer in exchange for the things they want.  In this sense the farmers’ supply of wheat constitutes their demand for automobiles and other goods.  All this is inherent in the modern division of labor and in an exchange economy." --Henry Hazlitt, Economics in One Lesson (http://jim.com/econ/chap03p1.html)
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Post by: Gumba Masta on January 03, 2010, 06:43:16 PM
What about undertakers, don't they profit?
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 03, 2010, 06:45:49 PM
What about undertakers, don't they profit?
Yes, but Hazlitt is talking about the economy when taken as a whole.

"This fundamental fact, it is true, is obscured for most people (including some reputedly brilliant economists) through such complications as wage payments and the indirect form in which virtually all modern exchanges are made through the medium of money. John Stuart Mill and other classical writers, though they sometimes failed to take sufficient account of the complex consequences resulting from the use of money, at least saw through 'the monetary veil' to the underlying realities. To that extent they were in advance of many of their present-day critics, who are befuddled by money rather than instructed by it. Mere inflation—that is, the mere issuance of more money, with the consequence of higher wages and prices may look like the creation of more demand. But in terms of the actual production and exchange of real things it is not." --Henry Hazlitt, Economics in One Lesson (http://jim.com/econ/chap03p1.html)
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Post by: Gumba Masta on January 03, 2010, 07:20:43 PM
Of course his arguments are only viable if you actually want to preserve a functioning human society.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 05, 2010, 11:00:12 PM
"Emergence is science-y speak for awesomeness!" --Me
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2010, 04:13:40 AM
Ludwig von Mises: "What makes natural science possible is the power to experiment; what makes social science possible is the power to grasp or to comprehend the meaning of human action." - Money, Method, and the Market Process
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2010, 06:13:32 PM
"And of course,  if you're one of those woos who's just going to flame on without even attempting understanding what's going to be said, all I have to say is 'may your chains rest lightly upon you.'" --Shane Killian, Economic Basics Part 5: Unemployment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBm3_1SXAw8)
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Post by: MrBogosity on January 07, 2010, 09:44:13 AM
"Correlation doesn't imply causation, but it does waggle its eyebrows suggestively and gesture furtively while mouthing 'look over there'." --XKCD #552 (mouseover text)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 07, 2010, 02:24:23 PM
ROFL!!!

"ANYONE who says that we've got a free market in the United States of America deserves to be laughed at for his stupidity and ignorance." --Me (possibly paraphrased from Shane)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 08, 2010, 06:10:40 PM
"To retain respect for sausages and laws, one must not watch them in the making." --unnamed member of the Illinois state legislature (often attributed to Otto von Bismarck)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 09, 2010, 03:07:01 AM
"The definition of freedom is not complicated.  Freedom means that which the government does not control.  You are free when the government cannot steal your income, when it cannot tell you what to say or with whom you may or may not associate.  You are free when the government cannot take your kids and send them to far-flung wars to kill and be killed.  You are free when you control your life, your property, your church, your business, and your future.  You are free when the government cannot inflate away your savings, tax away your profits, lay waste to your dividends by regimenting corporate life, or controlling how much of what you buy and sell and from where." - Lew Rockwell
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 09, 2010, 03:13:30 PM
"I always thought it was hypocritical of leftists to complain about the right enforcing morality in the bedroom when they themselves are trying to enforce morality in the wallet." –Shane Killian
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 09, 2010, 06:41:48 PM
(http://anarchyinyourhead.com/comics/2009-09-26-cop_pr_issues.png)

"I didn’t hear the conversations myself, but my understanding is some police were complaining about the lack of respect they were receiving at a recent protest regarding cannabis in Keene Central Square. I have some thoughts for cops who don’t understand why you are becoming so universally despised.

It used to be somewhat safe to target young people. There were plenty of folks from an older generation when police were primarily peace officers, before you transitioned more and more into “law enforcement” officers and started viewing everyone, especially younger people, as potential law breakers instead of as the people you were trying to protect from a small number of truly dangerous criminals in the population. You had easy brownie points with that older generation. Many of them didn’t fit the profile for your law enforcement and when they hear about police abuse, they tend to assume it’s an isolated case. When mostly younger people are targeted for victimless crimes, they assume they deserved it.

Times have changed and they will continue to change. Those older generations who remember the good ole days are passing away. They’ve been replaced by people who have been targeted for petty harassment over victimless crimes many times or at least know people who have. They see you as predators rather than protectors, and rightly so. They are merely following a healthy instinct for self-preservation when they fear you, and when they fear you, they naturally hate you. I try not to hate you myself, but I admit it takes effort.

I would like for a dialogue to remain open between police and the growing numbers in the population who disapprove of what you have become. I know it sounds insincere considering I make fun of people in my comics, but I generally stick to representative fictional characters unless a particular individual has earned special recognition. Generally, while I stand up for my rights, I try to show respect in hopes that the same respect will one day be returned." --Dale Everett
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 09, 2010, 07:11:31 PM
"'Accept as your savior our Lord Jesus Christ or your soul will burn in Hell for all eternity!'

'Acknowledge the authority of an aggressive state or all of society will descend into violence and chaos!'" --Dale Everett, making fun of the appeal to fear often used in place of reasoned logic, and noting the parallel between religion and state dogma.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 10, 2010, 09:37:39 PM
"Think about it." --cdk007
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 11, 2010, 09:14:57 PM
This was a good one when I said that communism is a top down system.

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I would dispute this. The examples of China and of other single party governments we have at the moment are one of several different variants thereof, and do fit your description. Communism as it's core theory is definitely not top down....

To which I responded that communism needs a central authority or it isn't worth the paper it's printed on.


"Hey you making the pies. You have to share them out with the rest of the people in town to be fair."

"Oh? Do you have any authority to make me?"

"No"

"Well fuck off then!"
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 12, 2010, 05:56:31 AM
"@AkiRa22084: There are scientific achievements all over the world. Anyone can learn about any scientific achievement by going on the Internet. Yet not all societies are prosperous. Hence science is not sufficient. Only saving and investment can bring disembodied science to life, and it is the free market that makes these things possible." --DRNevans on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-LJ3wZjD4I

I wasn't sure whether or not to put this in here or the fail quotes.

What do you guys think and why?
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Post by: MrBogosity on January 12, 2010, 06:30:10 AM
Well, not everyone has internet access. But he has a point: it can be as expensive to read, understand, and learn to use a scientific advance as it was to make the advance to begin with. You need economic wealth to make this happen.

The concept of individual liberty led both to the free market and wealthy economies, and to scientific advancement. That's not a coincidence.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 12, 2010, 06:39:59 AM
Agreed.
Then it's settled:  the quote is a fav, not a fail.

The concept of individual liberty led both to the free market and wealthy economies, and to scientific advancement. That's not a coincidence.
Try telling that to thunderf00t, or the members of the LeagueofReason forums.
:P
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Post by: MrBogosity on January 12, 2010, 06:45:41 AM
I tried. :(
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 12, 2010, 06:52:45 AM
I know.
I was just teasing.  Sorry if I hit a nerve. ^^;

"I was once a man.  Just kidding; I've always been a snake."  --a snake on a cartoon which aired on Adult Swim that I can't remember the name of
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 12, 2010, 05:55:23 PM
"Don't tread on me."  --Gadsden Flag
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Post by: MrBogosity on January 12, 2010, 05:56:33 PM
Gadsden Flag is the name of it.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 12, 2010, 05:59:05 PM
Thanks. :)

"If people are good, you consider having a state.  If people are evil,  you don't dare have a state." --Someone on the Mises Institute forum.
"If people are good, you don't need a state. If people are evil, you don't dare have one." --Shane Killian's rewording of the above quote.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 14, 2010, 02:18:57 AM
I'll do you all one better for the next Fav quote:

(http://mises.org/Community/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Discussions.Components.Files/27/8780.07_2D00_1076428675.jpg)

This one is straight out of TheAmazingAtheist's demotivational picture collection.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 14, 2010, 02:22:40 AM
"Hey douchebag why dont you take your creationist propaganda and shove it!" --dooivid, whose comment on Shane's video ("Watch Expelled with subtitles correcting the lies!") was marked as spam for some reason
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Post by: MrBogosity on January 14, 2010, 06:32:39 AM
Thanks. :)

"If people are good, you consider having a state.  If people are evil,  you don't dare have a state." --Someone on the Mises Institute forum.

I would have stated it as, "If people are good, you don't need a state. If people are evil, you don't dare have one."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 14, 2010, 01:18:20 PM
I would have stated it as, "If people are good, you don't need a state. If people are evil, you don't dare have one."
...Blah.  Good idea.  I'll reword it as that.
Fixed.
Thanks again, Shane. ;D
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 16, 2010, 10:31:11 AM
"It's time to admit that public education operates like a planned economy, a bureaucratic system in which everybody's role is spelled out in advance and there are few incentives for innovation and productivity. It's no surprise that our school system doesn't improve: it more resembles the communist economy than our own market economy." --Albert Shanker, former president of the American Federation of Teachers
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 16, 2010, 10:39:48 AM
"It's time to admit that public education operates like a planned economy, a bureaucratic system in which everybody's role is spelled out in advance and there are few incentives for innovation and productivity. It's no surprise that our school system doesn't improve: it more resembles the communist economy than our own market economy." --Albert Shanker, former president of the American Federation of Teachers
You just earned a -1 on your bogometer with that one.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 16, 2010, 11:26:14 PM
"At the risk of breaking Godwin's Law, the people commenting against me, Shane and the other free marketeers remind me of White supremacists. 
Only instead of the Jews, it's the rich that are evil.
Instead of the Aryans, it's the poor who are being destroyed.
Wow." --Me noting a rather interesting parallel between the Nazis and the Socialist folk.
(BTW:  If this comment violates the forum rules, just tell me and I'll remove it by replacing it with something else.  I have tons of good quotes. :) )
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2010, 09:23:49 PM
"Creationism is bullshit." --Anybody educated on the subject
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 18, 2010, 10:56:31 PM
http://marukasurelius.deviantart.com/art/31231232-145885072

Now that's a keeper!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 18, 2010, 11:12:48 PM
http://marukasurelius.deviantart.com/art/31231232-145885072

Now that's a keeper!
I could have shown you that. :P
I found that same picture in TheAmazingAtheist's demotivational pictures.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 18, 2010, 11:47:22 PM
Where can I find them?

I don't look at TAA much, he's very...not funny.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 18, 2010, 11:49:02 PM
Where can I find them?

I don't look at TAA much, he's very...not funny.
I'll dig up the URL for you.
Just to warn you though.
A huge number of the pictures involve jailbait (underage, overdeveloped girls), and jokes about it, e.g.  "If no one wanted to fuck it, there wouldn't be a law against it".
Just to give you that warning.
You sure you want to see it?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 19, 2010, 12:11:37 AM
tsk, I'm a skeptical libertarian atheist, I am VERY difficult to offend.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 19, 2010, 01:25:24 AM
tsk, I'm a skeptical libertarian atheist, I am VERY difficult to offend.
Heh. :P
OK.

Here you go:  http://demotivateyou.com/
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 20, 2010, 08:45:43 PM
"By sending me stupid comments/hate mail, you acknowledge that I own all rights to the entire contents of your message, any images sent with the message, your email address, your house, your car, your first born and your soul. Furthermore, you agree to make your email address publicly available on this or any other web site, and you accept my views and opinions as being right regardless of anything. Furthermore, you agree that it is okay for me or anyone else to slander and/or libel you on this or any other web site, in public, at your place of employment, or anywhere else in this or any other universe and/or dimension. Know that leaving me a stupid comment is a request for character defamation, endless belittling and excessive mockery. You may not sue me for any reason, ever, and this disclaimer is subject to change without notice, and you are still subject to the rules regardless of any changes made. If you do not agree with these rules, then don't send me comments when you feel the sudden urge to talk out of your ass. Sending me stupid comments will lead me to believe that you are infact stupid. This may result in a block. There are enough stupid people on YouTube and they need no help from you. As a matter of fact, just play it safe and don't talk to me at all. Don't forget to subscribe, stupid." --Sarahon06's profile page (http://www.youtube.com/Sarahon06)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: valvatica on January 22, 2010, 02:40:18 AM
I found this one by LadyAttis hilarious (I know some of you have already seen it  :)):

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 22, 2010, 03:00:52 AM
I found this one by LadyAttis hilarious (I know some of you have already seen it  :)):

Oh, that was fuckwin. X3
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 22, 2010, 03:19:29 AM
"Everybody should be free to believe what they want, and we should be free to call it stupid" --Russell Glasser

Source: 
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 22, 2010, 02:14:19 PM
"Free people & free markets go hand-in-hand. Ya can't have 1 without the other." --Tutilost on YouTube
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 22, 2010, 10:01:34 PM
"Capitalism:  An economic system based on private ownership of capital" --Princeton's online dictionary.

Also the way every single textbook in social studies I've had defines it.
That definition in mind, here's what I don't get.  Why is it that Agorists (which I don't consider myself one for various reasons..) consider what we have to be a "capitalist" economy?
If "capital" (say, capital goods or money) are owned privately, that implies title, control, liability, use and disposal.
Since the big corporations in our system are shielded from liability,
most normal people don't have control, title, or use via state restrictions all over the economy in countless ways,
how they what we have in ANY way be considered a "Capitalist" economy?
They argue, "well, this is what capitalism is; how it exists."
OK, except then that means that it DOESN'T exist, at least not in great enough proportion to be considered the primary part of the system.
What we have is the result of the State (what many call government), not of capitalism being tried and then leading to it (as Shane worded differently than me in his Question & Answer videos).

As Shane said, "We're NOT a primarily capitalist economy.  We're a primarily corporatist economy and have been for full on a century now."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 24, 2010, 09:32:51 PM
“Whatever the issue, let freedom offer us a hundred choices, instead of having government force one answer on everyone.” —Harry Browne

I want to put the quote where he compared Republicans to Libertarians here from his book.
Would that violate copyright law?
It's a big quote, but still so awesome...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 25, 2010, 06:32:50 AM
Quote's don't violate copyright; they're fair use.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 25, 2010, 11:12:15 AM
Awesome!  ;D

" --Harry Browne, Why Government Doesn't Work, pages 211 & 212


This is the quote I was thinking of.
I like this one.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 25, 2010, 08:11:36 PM
The truth is unattainable.  It will always be shrouded in fog.  Though you reach through the murk and the gloom to grasp something, you have no means to know it is the truth.  In which case, why?  What sense is there in yearning for truth?  Close your eyes, lie to yourself, live in blissful ignorance.  It is a much smarter way to exist.
Obtaining the truth is simple, all you have to do is believe it is the truth.  Very well, then I will grant you one truth...you will all die here! - Shadow Teddie, Persona 4

I love this game so much.  "Truth vs. deception" is one of it's big themes as you can no doubt tell.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 28, 2010, 09:17:41 PM
"Liberty is not an inter-subjective consensus." --FlowCell
"...it is true because words mean things. If we can make words mean what ever we want, then language is meaningless." --FlowCell

Both from his latest video: 
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 28, 2010, 09:46:30 PM
Phil Helenes' version of Genesis.  I loved it dearly.  ^^

In the beginning, there was light, light so hot that nothing else could exist, but the void grew faster than the light and that was good. And out of the light came the tiny heralds of what was to come, as small to an apple as an apple is to your spherical world. For I tell you light can become solid and solid can become light. Take heed for I tell you what no man yet knows. And the heralds waited in the light for their time and 400 millenia later, when it could be so, so it was. And these things I will call atoms fell together. And I tell you children of the light, in the void, great clouds of atoms fell together, called by mutual attraction, forced to become one, growing in size, gaining mass until at the center of the great clouds there came a new light. As atoms of the first and simplest kind were forced together to become atoms of the second kind. And behold! The first star was born!

Soon there were many stars, swirling by the hundreds of thousands of millions, floating in islands like discs, each island separate, racing apart. And the islands themselves shall be numbered in the hundreds of thousands of millions. And some of the stars were small and burned slow and dim and long. And some were giant and burned bright blue and fast, making atoms of the second, third and forth up to the twenty sixth kind until they could burn no more. And then they die a powerful death buildling up atoms of the ninety second kind and beyond which they spread along with abundant blinding light like seeds back into the void, disturbing the stillness of the surrounding atomic clouds, giving birth to countless stars in their wake. But these new stars drew around them disc shaped cloaks of the ninety two types of atoms, the ashes and the seeds of the first giant stars. And the heavier elements fell towards the new stars and over millions of years there formed worlds of rock and metal to encircle the sun. And away from the star, worlds of vapour and ice were formed, circling more slowly in accordance with their greater distance from the sun. And nine thousand million years later after the beginning of one star, one rocky, metalic world, ninety two types of atoms danced to the tune of the light and the lightning while mountains fell from the sky. This place would be called Earth.

And for half a billion years, the dance went on, atoms joining in ways forbidden in the heat inside the stars from where they were made but inevitable where the magnet is mightier than the fire. And by the law of the magnet and the lodestone, one chain of many atoms begat chains of identical form and the chains spread through the waters, filling them, growing in size and complexity, taking unto them the poisonous clouds and vapours that hung over the world and giving back the air. And the sky of the earth, now clear of the falling mountains, turned blue. And four thousand million years later still, you stand here, yearning to know how you came to be.

But if you have the mind to ask the question, you have the mind to find the answer. Look to the light of the world, see how they dance. From this and only from this will you find the answers that will lead you to the knowing. And one day you will make better eyes from the sand and look out into the night and you will see wonders, things hidden unto them. But keep looking and thinking with better eyes and clearer thoughts and knowledge will come to you. You will see the island discs of countless millions of suns stretching back into infinite. But be not afraid, see my creation, the jewels of millions of suns, stars of blinding light, holes of darkness that hold back the light, the clouds of atoms from which you came. And it is all yours if you can work as one. I can give you no more than all that is.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2010, 03:47:03 PM
If I have put this here before, say so, and I'll remove it.  I can't stand double posts.
A thought provoking essay:

Anarchists & Minarchists & Socialists, oh, my!
June 30th, 2009
by Dale Everett
"I’m getting asked a certain question a lot lately. Why pick on minarchists? We’re on the same side! Why aren’t you picking on socialists more? I’m glad I was asked because it made me put some thought into best how to express this with words. What is it about the philosophy of minarchism that really gets up in my craw?

And then it occurred to me. Anarchists and minarchists in one key respect are polar opposites. I’ve said before that there is an ocean between an anarchist and a minarchist, but only a creek between a minarchist and a socialist and I can finally nail it down succinctly. An anarchist believes that a monopoly government is the source of our enslavement. A minarchist believes a monopoly government is crucial to protecting our liberties. Exact opposites! So why do people keep saying we’re on the same side? Presumably it’s because we have similar preferences. We both love liberty.

Now let’s compare minarchists to socialists. A socialist will justify aggression on the basis of need. Food, shelter, and medical care are all essential needs and a socialist feels justified in using aggressive violence to satisfy those needs. On that same basis, a socialist will also absolve individuals of responsibility and pass that responsibility onto 'society' which is a very abstract and subjective thing, a calamity of collectivism, which of course is why it’s such a disaster in implementation. It’s why individuals fail to develop a sense of their own responsibility and become incredibly dependent on their governments, remaining in a childlike state with governments assuming the role of their parents.

So now let’s compare minarchists to socialists. A minarchist loves liberty a lot. A minarchist also believes aggressive violence against innocent people is justified due to a critical need, but only for that which suits their personal preference, i.e. providing for the protection of liberty. This is commonly defended in the same manner that socialists use for justifying aggressive violence, i.e. on the basis of need*. The minarchist claim is that we are responsible for providing for all of our own needs whether it be food, shelter, health care, or educating our children, but when it comes to the most crucial thing that’s at the foundation of all the others, they absolve the individual of responsibility and pass that crucial task on to a murky subjective thing, that calamity of collectivism known as 'society'.

It’s for this reason that I believe the minarchist approach to liberty is such an utter failure. I don’t argue against minarchism to pick nits or because I’m a purist. I’m a long way from being a purist. If I were, I’d stop making calculated decisions regarding my activism. I’d drive without a license and I wouldn’t pay a single penny in taxes no matter what, even if it meant pointlessly rotting in a jail cell or living as a hermit in a booger hut.

No, I argue against minarchism because I believe principles are pragmatic and that the promotion of minarchism is a big part of the problem. They’re arguing against socialism out of one side of their mouths while proposing a slight variation on socialism out of the other side. It’s an incredibly weak argument and makes an easy target for our opponents to poke holes in. I love them because we have a common interest, but I feel a need to exercise great care in how I team up with them because the act can make me an easy target right along with them. It can be quite a liability from a completely utilitarian and pragmatic point of view. The irony that they’ve often felt the same way about me has not escaped me.

In the process of defending minarchy, one is also inevitably defending socialism. It is for that reason that I am so skeptical of whether minarchy is even possible. Governments, like a cancer, don’t stay small as long as they have legitimacy and they don’t get smaller as long as they have near 100% compliance with their demands and massive moral support. Can we have much smaller government? I hope so and I’m an optimist. I think we can. I’m sure we can make governments smaller, which I would be thrilled to do, but it will require anarchism to get on the right track.

Minarchists, I love you like I love a pet that just won’t potty-train. I know you’re trying your darnedest, but it sure is frustrating. I’m going to keep making fun of you, but just remember that it’s playful ribbing from a friend; an incredibly condescending and tactless friend, but a friend nonetheless.

* Here’s a little thought game for objectivists. Grab a highlighting pen and go through some of your blog posts against anarchism. Now highlight everywhere you say the word 'need'. Can I get an 'Oh, SNAP!' from some of my gay fans?" --Dale Everett, source (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2009/06/30/anarchists-minarchists-socialists-oh-my/)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2010, 07:06:37 PM
"The Twilight series sucks." --Any reasonable person
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on January 31, 2010, 12:22:34 AM
"The Twilight series sucks." --Any reasonable person

"A-Fucking-Men to that!" My girlfriend and I in response to the above quote.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 31, 2010, 10:22:44 AM
"A-Fucking-Men to that!" My girlfriend and I in response to the above quote.
"I knew you would like that.
I was thinking of you when I posted that."  --Me in response to that quote.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 01, 2010, 12:01:59 AM
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" --Barry Goldwater
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 01, 2010, 01:06:33 PM
"The essential psychological requirement of a free society is the willingness on the part of the individual to accept responsibility for his life."
--Edith Packer, clinical psychologist

"War and poverty are caused, not by 'selfish others,' but by our own reactions to them. If we wish to change the world, we must first change ourselves." --Dr. Mary J. Ruwart


Both quotes are from the free online version of Healing Our World.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 01, 2010, 02:04:40 PM
The state that does not recognize the value and dignity of human life is obsolete - The Twilight Zone, "The Obsolete Man" episode.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 02, 2010, 03:30:20 PM
From "So Long and Thanks for All the Fish" by Douglas Adams

[An enormous spaceship has just landed on Earth, causing incredible destruction in the process. A giant robot then steps out.]

"I come in peace," it said, adding after a long moment of further grinding, "take me to your Lizard."

Ford Prefect, of course, had an explanation for this, as he sat with Arthur and watched the nonstop frenetic news reports on television, none of which had anything to say other than to record that the thing had done this amount of damage which was valued at that amount of billions of pounds and had killed this totally other number of people, and then say it again, because the robot was doing nothing more than standing there, swaying very slightly, and emitting short incomprehensible error messages.

"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."

"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"

"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."

"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."

"I did," said ford. "It is."

"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"

"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."

"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"

"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."

"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"

"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 02, 2010, 03:59:26 PM
@Shane's quote: lol

"The ideas of economists and political philosophers both when they are right and when they are wrong are more powerful than is commonly understood.  Indeed, the world is ruled by little else.  Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence are usually the slaves of some defunct economist." --John Maynard Keynes, The General Theory

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design." --F.A. Hayek, The Fatal Conceit

Both quotes and their sources are from that video of Keynes and F.A. Hayek rapping.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2010, 02:39:43 PM
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God." --Epicurus
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2010, 09:47:24 PM
"@dizzle42008 Economics has tremendous scientific merit, but psychology is dead. It's all about cognitive neuroscience now."  --TheAmazingAtheist
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2010, 07:10:27 PM
"First, the private sector is superior to government as a problem-solver because private transactions require the consent of all parties to them. When government interacts with people, there is always at least one party that is forced to participate and that is, therefore, abused and exploited.

Second, private decisions are made by individuals and firms that know more about their particular circumstances than anyone else could possibly know. In contrast, governments cannot know as much about the persons and institutions they deal with and thus are forced to make and enforce arbitrary general rules that apply the same to different people and different circumstances, regardless of the absurd or unjust consequences.

Third, because, in the words of Frederic Bastiat, people are not clay, they always react and respond to the state’s use of power against them in ways that result in unintended and negative consequences from the state’s point of view, now fashionably called 'blowback.'

Fourth, the widespread use of state power erodes private morality, as people learn from the state’s actions and rationalizations that it is acceptable to use force against others to achieve your goals. Unfortunately, the state and its politicians—corrupt, mendacious, rapacious, lascivious, and ruthless—have become the great moral teachers of our time." --James Ostrowski, A $21 Trillion Tax Cut (http://mises.org/story/633)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2010, 11:01:04 PM
"Nobody can be at the same time a correct bureaucrat and an innovator." --Ludwig von Mises, Bureaucracy
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 06, 2010, 02:26:23 AM
"Should not reason alone be the judge?" --Hypatia
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 06, 2010, 03:08:15 AM
"The luxury of today is the necessity of tomorrow. Every advance first comes into being as the luxury of a few rich people, only to become, after a time, an indispensable necessity taken for granted by everyone. Luxury consumption provides industry with the stimulus to discover and introduce new, things. It is one of the dynamic factors in our economy. To it we owe the progressive innovations by which the standard of living of all strata of the population has been gradually raised." --Ludwig von Mises, Liberalism
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 06, 2010, 10:11:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A  This interview is loaded with good ones.  I like this guy!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 08, 2010, 10:03:11 PM
"One of the things that always shocks me is how people whom I would trust, maybe not with my wife, but certainly with my pocketbook, in their private capacity, whom I would never question the integrity of, will in their public capacity, because they believe that it's in the best interests of other people, lie to the American people." --Milton Friedman
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 09, 2010, 02:02:51 PM
"I have come to the conclusion that the more someone boasts about being for free speech, the more likely he is to engage in censorship." --Me, right now
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 11, 2010, 04:19:41 PM
"I concluded that [the Federal Reserve Board] was indeed a weak reed for a nation to lean on in time of trouble." --Herbert Hoover, in his memoirs
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 11, 2010, 06:33:41 PM
"I have come to the conclusion that the more someone boasts about being for free speech, the more likely he is to engage in censorship." --Me, right now

Well, not always.  Look at Pat Condell.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 11, 2010, 08:11:54 PM
Well, not always.  Look at Pat Condell.

True, but Pat Condell does it to defend free speech. I'm talking about people who pay lip service to free speech while defending their pet political agenda.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 11, 2010, 08:56:19 PM
Well, not always.  Look at Pat Condell.

Funny you should mention him:



The only two videos of his I have EVER rated one star.
Ever.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: valvatica on February 11, 2010, 09:26:22 PM
Speaking of being able to walk around naked, what is the anarchist/anarcho-capitalist/anti-statist/libertarian take on it? It doesn't interfere with anyone else's life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, right? So is it permissible?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 11, 2010, 09:31:04 PM
Speaking of being able to walk around naked, what is the anarchist/anarcho-capitalist/anti-statist/libertarian take on it? It doesn't interfere with anyone else's life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, right? So is it permissible?

The problem usually isn't walking around naked on your own property. For one thing, most people wouldn't walk around naked in full view, and neighborhood boards/landlords/etc would probably establish their own rules against such behavior while still exercising their own property rights. At least, that's how I understand that part. As far as someone running around nude on someone else's property, well, that's just the property owner asserting his right to eject anyone from his land if he so wishes.

The public nudity laws and such are excessive and unnecessary. The only time they would actually come into effect would be on so-called 'public land' or state-owned property. Considering the fact that the state should 'own' as little property as possible, this problem solves itself.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 12, 2010, 12:17:44 AM
Quote
The only two videos of his I have EVER rated one star.
Ever.

I hardly see why.  He said it best when he said "If the world were as honest as it ought to be, it would be a non issue as the burka would already have been ridiculed out of existence."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2010, 01:11:48 AM
I hardly see why.  He said it best when he said "If the world were as honest as it ought to be, it would be a non issue as the burka would already have been ridiculed out of existence."
Because he's advocating an outright ban in the videos...
That's the part I take issue with.
The use of state force for illegitimate reasons.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 12, 2010, 05:33:38 AM
Speaking of being able to walk around naked, what is the anarchist/anarcho-capitalist/anti-statist/libertarian take on it? It doesn't interfere with anyone else's life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, right? So is it permissible?

Fine by me.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2010, 08:29:16 PM
"The statist can pursue the matter further: 'If you grant that it is legitimate for people to band together and allow the State to coerce individuals to pay taxes for a certain service — "defense" — why is it not equally moral and legitimate for people to join in a similar way and allow the State the right to provide other services — such as post offices, "welfare," steel, power, etc.? If a State supported by a majority can morally do one, why not morally do the others?'
I confess that I see no answer to this question. If it is proper and legitimate to coerce an unwilling Henry Thoreau into paying taxes for his own 'protection' to a coercive state monopoly, I see no reason why it should not be equally proper to force him to pay the State for any other services, whether they be groceries, charity, newspapers, or steel." --Murray N. Rothbard, Are Libertarians "Anarchists"? (http://mises.org/story/2801)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 12, 2010, 09:00:48 PM
It's very simple: government is force. Therefore, government is legitimate only where the use of force is legitimate, and in no other way. Since the initiation of force is illegitimate, the government can't do it. Defense isn't an initiation of force; welfare is.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2010, 09:15:07 PM
It's very simple: government is force. Therefore, government is legitimate only where the use of force is legitimate, and in no other way. Since the initiation of force is illegitimate, the government can't do it. Defense isn't an initiation of force; welfare is.
"welfare is."
Well, when done by the state by theft (taxes).
Remember, though, Rothbard is talking about a coercive monopoly, initiating force (taxes taken at gun point) to provide a service, defense.
He's not talking about whether or not the service should exist or not.

Here are two videos talking about this, or at least act as food for thought:


Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 13, 2010, 01:55:56 AM
Because he's advocating an outright ban in the videos...
That's the part I take issue with.
The use of state force for illegitimate reasons.

Here's the difficult thing.  We all know the burka is backed by cohesion.  Even if the women say they're cool with it, the cohesion is still there because we all know what happens to a muslim woman who refuses to wear it.

It's the same problem as "When is it okay to intervene on an abusive spouse when the abused person won't press charges?"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 13, 2010, 02:12:32 AM
Here's the difficult thing.  We all know the burka is backed by cohesion.  Even if the women say they're cool with it, the cohesion is still there because we all know what happens to a muslim woman who refuses to wear it.

It's the same problem as "When is it okay to intervene on an abusive spouse when the abused person won't press charges?"
In other words, by duress.
OK, I think I see your point.
But I still don't see how that begets the state to use preemptive aggression on their behalf.
The Muslim women, like anyone else, are responsible for themselves and for their own defense.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 13, 2010, 02:27:15 AM
Yes, banning the burka is really missing the target but what should be done instead?  A message does need to be sent that "You're free to live here but you don't get to treat women or anyone for that matter like possessions.  That's not acceptable here."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 13, 2010, 02:47:26 AM
Yes, banning the burka is really missing the target but what should be done instead?  A message does need to be sent that "You're free to live here but you don't get to treat women or anyone for that matter like possessions.  That's not acceptable here."

Well, at least in Texas, the prosecutor is able to bring charges against the abusive spouse if he/she believes there is enough evidence to convict (or, as they phrase it, enough evidence to reasonably conclude that the husband committed the crime and a conviction can reasonably be obtained).

The best method would probably be private/charitable attempts at education, providing safe havens, etc. Maybe make it easier for women to obtain restraining orders against their husbands? Just throwing out ideas here.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 13, 2010, 07:41:04 AM
Here's the difficult thing.  We all know the burka is backed by cohesion.  Even if the women say they're cool with it, the cohesion is still there because we all know what happens to a muslim woman who refuses to wear it.

It's the same problem as "When is it okay to intervene on an abusive spouse when the abused person won't press charges?"

But if you ban burkas, then aren't you fighting a symptom and not the cause?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 13, 2010, 09:55:35 AM
But if you ban burkas, then aren't you fighting a symptom and not the cause?

Yes, that's why I said in the next post that banning the burka is missing the real target.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 13, 2010, 10:03:44 AM
"Why do we even have newspapers?" --My daughter
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: IceSage on February 13, 2010, 10:19:06 AM
"Why do we even have newspapers?" --My daughter

So domesticated pets who can't go outside yet have something to potty train with so the carpet doesn't get messy, duh!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 14, 2010, 09:59:19 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again and I will keep saying until people get it into their heads. Anyone who speaks of profit like it's a dirty word is a hypocrite. Every single one of us who have any contact with society whatsoever makes profit off the needs of another. This is a GOOD thing! It's what binds us together.
Anyone who tells you it's a bad thing is doing so for his benefit, not yours. - Me
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 14, 2010, 10:35:30 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again and I will keep saying until people get it into their heads. Anyone who speaks of profit like it's a dirty word is a hypocrite. Every single one of us who have any contact with society whatsoever makes profit off the needs of another. This is a GOOD thing! It's what binds us together.
Anyone who tells you it's a bad thing is doing so for his benefit, not yours. - Me

I love it! One of my faves now, too.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 14, 2010, 01:29:06 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again and I will keep saying until people get it into their heads. Anyone who speaks of profit like it's a dirty word is a hypocrite. Every single one of us who have any contact with society whatsoever makes profit off the needs of another. This is a GOOD thing! It's what binds us together.
Anyone who tells you it's a bad thing is doing so for his benefit, not yours. - Me
Outstanding quote, dude. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 17, 2010, 12:56:44 AM
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value -- zero." --Voltaire - 1729
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: The Late Andrew Ryan on February 18, 2010, 11:42:57 AM
"The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else."
-Frederic Bastiat

"I believe in no God, no invisible man in the sky. But there is something more powerful in each of us, a combination of our efforts, a great chain of industry that unites us. But it is only when we struggle in our own interests that the chain pulls society in the right direction. The chain is too powerful and too mysterious for any government to guide. Any man who tells you differently either has his hand in your pocket or a pistol to your neck."
-Andrew Ryan, Bioshock

"A man who chooses between drinking a glass of milk and a glass of a solution of potassium cyanide does not choose between two beverages; he chooses between life and death. A society that chooses between capitalism and socialism does not choose between two social systems; it chooses between social cooperation and the disintegration of society. Socialism is not an alternative to capitalism; it is an alternative to any system under which men can live as human beings."
-Ludwig Von Mises

"Democracy is not, cannot be, and has never been anything more than glorified mob rule. It is the taking of an institution originally founded as a way for a group of religious military leaders to gain tribute from those that they subjugated by force, and turning it into a great popularity contest. Democracy is not pure; it is not sacred unless one considers a mob sacred. Democracy is not freedom unless one considers 4 men voting another 2 into slavery freedom, and indeed unless one agrees that the American slave trade was freedom. Democracy is the barbaric practice of having 51% of the population to put a gun to the head of the other 49%. Democracy takes humankind’s oldest lie and turns it into a virtue to be sold off to those with the best speaking abilities and most appealing promises.”
-Me
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 18, 2010, 04:35:29 PM
I don't know if I posted this or not:

Democracy: Two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

Representative Democracy: Two thousand wolves and one thousand sheep electing two wolves and a sheep, who vote on what's for dinner.

Constitutional Republic: Two thousand wolves and one thousand sheep electing two wolves and a sheep, who vote on what's for dinner, but are restrained by a Constitution which states that they cannot eat sheep. The Supreme Court then determines (in a five wolves to four sheep ruling) that mutton does not count as sheep.

Liberty: Well-armed sheep contesting the above votes.

--Me (based on an old saying)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 18, 2010, 09:00:46 PM
I don't know if I posted this or not:
Democracy: Two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
Representative Democracy: Two thousand wolves and one thousand sheep electing two wolves and a sheep, who vote on what's for dinner.
Constitutional Republic: Two thousand wolves and one thousand sheep electing two wolves and a sheep, who vote on what's for dinner, but are restrained by a Constitution which states that they cannot eat sheep. The Supreme Court then determines (in a five wolves to four sheep ruling) that mutton does not count as sheep.
Liberty: Well-armed sheep contesting the above votes.
--Me (based on an old saying)

"Liberty is what all true libertarians strive for!" --Me, combining that saying, Shane's quote and a youtube poop phrase.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 20, 2010, 02:40:16 PM
"I could care less about who are the real libertarians or anarchists.

I care about what works and whats doesn't.
So far you haven't made any points defending your views." --11mc22
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 20, 2010, 07:40:38 PM
"Perhaps, but they're primarily held responsible by their owners/parents. If the neighbor shits in the dog's yard, for example, the neighbor has a greater tendency to blame the owner for not controlling the dog rather than the dog itself, although he may be angry at both.
A little misanthropic, aren't we?" --Virgil0211

"'If the neighbor shits in the dog's yard...'
...then said neighbor has something wrong with him.
" --WhyCantIVote

Emphasize added to parts containing epic win by me.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 20, 2010, 07:46:59 PM
Should that be a Fav Quote or a Fail Quote?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 20, 2010, 07:48:14 PM
Should that be a Fav Quote or a Fail Quote?
A fav quote.
Because, as I said, it made my day. :)
I haven't laughed that hard with someone in months.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Whycantivote on February 20, 2010, 09:50:27 PM
When trying to reason with socialists:

"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: valvatica on February 20, 2010, 11:06:14 PM
"Perhaps, but they're primarily held responsible by their owners/parents. If the neighbor shits in the dog's yard, for example, the neighbor has a greater tendency to blame the owner for not controlling the dog rather than the dog itself, although he may be angry at both.
A little misanthropic, aren't we?" --Virgil0211

"'If the neighbor shits in the dog's yard...'
...then said neighbor has something wrong with him.
" --WhyCantIVote

Emphasize added to parts containing epic win by me.

If the Pope shits in the woods... is the bear a Catholic?  :P
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 24, 2010, 10:36:05 AM
Here's one my father carried around in his wallet every day:

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.” --Theodore Roosevelt
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 24, 2010, 12:05:38 PM
Here's one my father carried around in his wallet every day:

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.” --Theodore Roosevelt

Thanks for posting this, Shane. I really needed that.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 24, 2010, 12:54:47 PM
Thanks for posting this, Shane. I really needed that.
Seconded.

Another good quote: 

"The free market is the only thing that can [plan for the long term]!

Not the government [the state]; it only thinks until the next election.

Not the commons; it gets depleted quickly." --Shane
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 24, 2010, 01:55:55 PM
Thanks for posting this, Shane. I really needed that.

Here's another you might find helpful:

"Life is like a sewer: What you get out of it depends on what you put into it." --Tom Lehrer
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 24, 2010, 07:28:03 PM
Here's another you might find helpful:

"Life is like a sewer: What you get out of it depends on what you put into it." --Tom Lehrer
That was priceless.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 25, 2010, 09:03:21 PM
"Except that [appealing to an expert] is still an appeal to authority.  Experts, even when dealing with their field of expertise, still have to present evidence to support their claims." --DeistPaladin
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 27, 2010, 12:57:38 AM
"Sometimes the tree of economic prosperity needs to be watered with the blood of failed businesses." - PissedFechtmeister in this video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14C-H3W03VI
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 27, 2010, 07:07:01 AM
"capitalism is about cooperation- figuring out the most efficient way for people to cooperate with each other without having the fruits of their labor taken from them by force. a single industrialist is useless- he needs to trade with others, goods and ideas, and everyone is better off for it. the poor get jobs, and products, that they wouldn't have the resources or ingenuity to create themselves. and the industrialists get rich. is it perfect? hell no. but to say that it is anti-cooperation is a butchering of the facts." - obsidianavenger, League of Reason

http://forums.leagueofreason.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3381

Before I go any further:  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Apparently, things are a tiny bit more civil in the philosophy section of the forum.

And again:  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 27, 2010, 07:16:42 AM
That user joined two months ago. So, new guy. We'll see if he has better luck than I did...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 27, 2010, 07:18:01 AM
Oop, but look at the next response...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 27, 2010, 11:52:57 AM
"capitalism is about cooperation- figuring out the most efficient way for people to cooperate with each other without having the fruits of their labor taken from them by force. a single industrialist is useless- he needs to trade with others, goods and ideas, and everyone is better off for it. the poor get jobs, and products, that they wouldn't have the resources or ingenuity to create themselves. and the industrialists get rich. is it perfect? hell no. but to say that it is anti-cooperation is a butchering of the facts." - obsidianavenger, League of Reason

http://forums.leagueofreason.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3381

Before I go any further:  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Apparently, things are a tiny bit more civil in the philosophy section of the forum.

And again:  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
*shits himself*
Damn.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 27, 2010, 02:37:46 PM
"Both corporatism and socialism are theft." --Shane

"Statist logic:  It's the equivalent of dividing by zero." --Me, referring to that metric where the number of social programs corresponds to quality of life.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 27, 2010, 02:52:10 PM
Is that the same as multiplied by zero?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 27, 2010, 02:55:14 PM
Is that the same as multiplied by zero?
No, anything times zero is zero:
a*0 = 0.
Zero product property for the win. :P
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 28, 2010, 12:04:55 AM
"NASA is one of the most inefficient agencies. Meanwhile the private market for communication satellites thrives. Even the few technologies that have benefited the rest of the world only became so when the free market was applied. You seem to think the government knows what's best for people than what people do. Fine, surrender as much money and freedom to them as you like, but do not advocate that others do the same." --kev3d

"Government should not be involved in education at all, same with the arts. The private market provides FAR better results. The greatest works of art were created for profit, for example." --kev3d

"What criteria? Why should the government decide what is "wanted"? Government funding "special projects" is the root of corruption and the next thing you know you have bridges to nowhere and astronauts testing the effect of zero gravity on jelly beans." --kev3d
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 28, 2010, 02:56:55 AM
Personally I am very interested in Zero and Low Gravity Jelly Beans.
I'm certain it'll be a boon for the dieat industry.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 02, 2010, 10:48:56 AM
"Liberty lies in our hearts, and once it dies there, no constitution can save it." --Learned Hand
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2010, 11:36:30 AM
"Because I really love you, the world just has to move." -- Schnuffel Kuschel (Snuggle Bunny)

"SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH WHEN BILLY MAYS IS TALKING!" --Billy Mays via YouTube Poop sentence mixing
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 02, 2010, 12:39:29 PM
That's quite a range, going straight from Learned Hand to a YouTube Poop...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2010, 01:02:06 PM
That's quite a range, going straight from Learned Hand to a YouTube Poop...
Hey, at least I put a quote from Snuggle Bunny to soften the blow. :P
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 02, 2010, 02:47:52 PM
Bah, it's what the inside of my head looks like on any given day.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 04, 2010, 10:18:22 AM
"Most of the government offices closed, things shut down, checks didn't get in the mail, and so forth. And the Gallup Poll took a survey to find out how the American people felt about this. 17% of them thought it was a terrible thing, 19% of them thought it was a wonderful thing, 8% of them had no opinion whatsoever, and the other 54% didn't even notice the government had shut down." --Harry Browne, "I Dreamed They Repealed the 20th Century"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 04, 2010, 05:50:28 PM
Tim Slagle:

"In a recent poll by ABC and the Washington Post, they determined that 80% of America was opposed to the recent Supreme Court decision in Citizens United v. FEC.  I would have like to seen something much more relevant, like how many people know that the case before the Supreme Court was even called “Citizens United v. FEC?”"

"Strangely, when the Democrats are on the losing side of the poll, they are drawn to Republicanism quicker than an accused felon finds religion."

From: http://biggovernment.com/tslagle/2010/02/20/freedom-to-censor/

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 04, 2010, 07:32:18 PM
"And if the flying spaghetti monster is correct you both are screwed and I get a stripper factory and a beer volcano. Ramen." --YouTube user johnrainrules responding to a discussion of Pascal's Wager
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 05, 2010, 12:17:48 AM
"SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH WHEN BILLY MAYS IS TALKING!" --Billy Mays via YouTube Poop sentence mixing

Found the source of the quote.
I'm fucking ecstatic right now. :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 05, 2010, 03:29:03 PM
Requiescat in pace, Billy Mays. *cuts his throat*
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 07, 2010, 11:23:54 AM
"Set it free and let it be:  the laissez faire economy!" --My motto of economic and social policy.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 07, 2010, 12:11:24 PM
If you really love it, eh?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 07, 2010, 06:40:51 PM
"I don't give a rat's ass about Friedman. He was an enabler of the most harmful aspect of Keynes's policy recommendations (the inflationary monetary aspects), and in so doing linked those policies (and their results) in the popular mind with free market economics. I dare say he has done more damage than any Keynesian or socialist to the free-market cause." --nonantianarchist
Source:  The comments of this video

Man, the poster of the above video, radiohogan is a typical dogmatic Statist.
A know-it-all condescending prick, full of double standards, and the usual gall.
Man, why can't these people just...die, already...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 07, 2010, 07:29:07 PM
Because god loves us.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on March 07, 2010, 11:24:06 PM
"I don't give a rat's ass about Friedman. He was an enabler of the most harmful aspect of Keynes's policy recommendations (the inflationary monetary aspects), and in so doing linked those policies (and their results) in the popular mind with free market economics. I dare say he has done more damage than any Keynesian or socialist to the free-market cause." --nonantianarchist
Source:  The comments of this video

Man, the poster of the above video, radiohogan is a typical dogmatic Statist.
A know-it-all condescending prick, full of double standards, and the usual gall.
Man, why can't these people just...die, already...

I love how he says one of his biggest interests was economics, and then makes videos about the labor theory of value. That thing has been dead and buried for so long, there's no way he could have taken a single class in economics and take it seriously. Even Keynes wasn't stupid enough to buy into that shit. Two words: Marginal Utility.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 08, 2010, 12:30:50 AM
Quote
Man, why can't these people just...die, already...

Because if the socialists die, then we all have to kill ourselves too otherwise it's not fair.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2010, 12:50:51 AM
I love how he says one of his biggest interests was economics, and then makes videos about the labor theory of value. That thing has been dead and buried for so long, there's no way he could have taken a single class in economics and take it seriously. Even Keynes wasn't stupid enough to buy into that shit. Two words: Marginal Utility.

Did you read his replies to NonAntiAnarchist?
He claims to have (surprise!) a degree in economics.
Shane, me, you and anyone with a functioning brain and/or the slightist knowledge of economics:  YEAH RIGHT!!!

He also claims that: "You are assuming people save with paper money. Americans do not save at all. This is their answer to inflation.

Asians, on the other hand, exchange paper money for gold (Indians & Chinese, for example). There are the folks who now control the world. What we do doesn't matter. The Chineses are converting paper money into commodities as fast as they can (copper, iron, etc.)."

My apologies if this violates the forum rules if he's displaying bigotry, but I'm too tired to give a good paraphrase...
Nevermind he didn't provide a single source for this odd claim and even if he did, he still didn't answer a very VERY important question:  What are the controls?

He goes on with: "Asians have always saved 30% or more. Americans never saved more then 10% years ago. Americans have had a negative saving rate for decades. How does economics explain such a monster difference? It can't. Only anthropology or sociology can study cultural differences.

We borrowed from the savers (Asians). Karl Marx wrote 'whoever rules China rules the world.'"
1.  HUGE argument from ignorance.
2.  Again, what is his source?
3.  If so, does that period include when we were on a gold standard?
4.  If so, what are the controls?
5.  Is he comparing like to like (commodity standard to commodity standard, etc)?
6.  Are those likes compared the same way, using the same techniques (e.g. the USA and Europe count unhealthy babies born differently and that effected their infant mortality rates and life expectancy).

I also saw him call Karl Marx a "great social scientist".
Given his vast lack of understanding of how science, even College Freshman level Social Scientific Methodology, works; he looks like a creationist saying that "Kent Hovind is an amazing Biologist".

I suspect he's making like PawelKolasa (the geocentrist Shane debunked a while back) and is just pulling shit out of his ass.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on March 08, 2010, 01:10:23 AM
Did you read his replies to NonAntiAnarchist?
He claims to have (surprise!) a degree in economics.
YEAH RIGHT!!!

He also claims that: "You are assuming people save with paper money. Americans do not save at all. This is their answer to inflation.

Asians, on the other hand, exchange paper money for gold (Indians & Chinese, for example). There are the folks who now control the world. What we do doesn't matter. The Chineses are converting paper money into commodities as fast as they can (copper, iron, etc.)."

My apologies if this violates the forum rules if he's displaying bigotry, but I'm too tired to give a good paraphrase...
Nevermind he didn't provide a single source for this odd claim and even if he did, he still didn't answer a very VERY important question:  What are the controls?

He goes on with: "Asians have always saved 30% or more. Americans never saved more then 10% years ago. Americans have had a negative saving rate for decades. How does economics explain such a monster difference? It can't. Only anthropology or sociology can study cultural differences.

We borrowed from the savers (Asians). Karl Marx wrote 'whoever rules China rules the world.'"
1.  HUGE argument from ignorance.
2.  Again, what is his source?
3.  If so, does that period include when we were on a gold standard?
4.  If so, what are the controls?
5.  Is he comparing like to like (commodity standard to commodity standard, etc)?
6.  Are those likes compared the same way, using the same techniques (e.g. the USA and Europe count unhealthy babies born differently and that effected their infant mortality rates and life expectancy).

I also saw him call Karl Marx a "great social scientist".
Given his vast lack of understanding of how science, even College Freshman level Social Scientific Methodology, he looks like a creationist saying that "Kent Hovind is an amazing Biologist".

I suspect he's making like PawelKolasa (the geocentrist Shane debunked a while back) and is just pulling shit out of his ass.

Wow... Just... Wow...

And another fucked up thing with these socialists? They keep screaming exploitation, that the factory owners control the means of production. Here's the problem. They specifically limit their criteria to exclude labor as a means of production. However, in modern day economics, labor, along with other capital, is seen as an input, that which is used to produce a good or service. Who controls labor? The workers. So, really, the control over the means of production is split. In addition, households (again, workers) do the saving that is then borrowed by firms to purchase more capital and expand their businesses in order to produce the goods and services consumed by households. In the end, what the socialists see as exploitation is instead a symbiotic process. The firms and households live and die by the actions of the other. This keeps both sides in check, and prevents one from exploiting the other. That is, until you introduce the sabots of violent force into the machinery and fuck everything up.
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Post by: Gumba Masta on March 08, 2010, 04:50:03 AM
Should'nt those be in the fail quotes then?
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2010, 09:51:33 AM
Should'nt those be in the fail quotes then?
True...
I just had to get his stupidity off of my chest.
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Post by: MrBogosity on March 09, 2010, 06:22:20 AM
"It is, they say, not Russia that plans aggression but, on the contrary, the decaying capitalist democracies. Russia wants merely to defend its own independence. This is an old and well-tried method of justifying aggression. Louis XIV and Napoleon I, Wilhelm II and Hitler were the most peace-loving of all men. When they invaded foreign countries, they did so only in just self-defence. Russia was as much menaced by Estonia or Latvia as Germany was by Luxemburg or Denmark." --Ludwig von Mises, Epilogue

Man, does that sound like our foreign policy today or what?
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2010, 06:54:45 PM
"I have never heard any suggestion from a minarchist on how to limit the power and expansion of the state, other than what was already tried in the initial experiment. It's always either the 'magic paper'-hypothesis, or an appeal to the Hobbesian story." --PanzerDivisionBOM on Shane's 3rd HD Constitution Lecture video
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2010, 07:02:55 PM
"It is, they say, not Russia that plans aggression but, on the contrary, the decaying capitalist democracies. Russia wants merely to defend its own independence. This is an old and well-tried method of justifying aggression. Louis XIV and Napoleon I, Wilhelm II and Hitler were the most peace-loving of all men. When they invaded foreign countries, they did so only in just self-defence. Russia was as much menaced by Estonia or Latvia as Germany was by Luxemburg or Denmark." --Ludwig von Mises, Epilogue

Man, does that sound like our foreign policy today or what?
Damn.
Moral of the story, Interventionism (whether economic or military) is bullshit.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2010, 07:08:14 PM
"The state is an evolutionary relic. Statistically private defense contracting has been more successful than the US military. It should follow that the same would be true for security contracting. It doesn't matter who our 'enemy' is. The choice is between a huge conglomeration of the worlds most useless people or a decentralized profit based form of economics in military industrial matters. So this is my proposal in answer to the militia issue. It's not a political issue. It's pure business." --GrandArchitect3D, "Liberals are cunts" by InTheEndIWasRight (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=CCV0MZ0irWU)
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Post by: Gumba Masta on March 11, 2010, 08:12:01 PM
Does he mean contractors like Blackwater?
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2010, 08:25:11 PM
Does he mean contractors like Blackwater?
Ask him yourself. :P
I linked the video where the comment was made.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2010, 08:44:25 PM
"(I just realized I'm trying to talk sense into a guy who voluntarily chose to name himself 'clown porn'...)"--Shanedk, Re: Healthcare, Let's Help Each Other (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpeoZsCobrM)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 13, 2010, 01:34:15 PM
"Do not bother responding to gklr he is a troll he is only here to get channel views and waste your time. If you really want to run around in circles trying to debate him you can but you will never get anywhere, he will never recognize the validity of any of your arguments and he will intentionally make dumb arguments to get a rise out of you. He will also respond by taking your points out of context.

If the 'fuck you' video he has on his channel does not give him away his comment history will"--Valmarith (another person gklr is fucking around with...)
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 13, 2010, 10:31:53 PM
"I'm not so much anti-religion as I am pro-freedom so if religion were pro-freedom, I wouldn't have a problem with it.  But then again, if religion were pro-freedom, it wouldn't exist."  Pat Condell

I've noted you can say the same about the state.  But then again, it's amazing how frequently the church and the state can be interchanged.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 14, 2010, 12:30:25 AM
"I'm not so much anti-religion as I am pro-freedom so if religion were pro-freedom, I wouldn't have a problem with it.  But then again, if religion were pro-freedom, it wouldn't exist."  Pat Condell

I've noted you can say the same about the state.  But then again, it's amazing how frequently the church and the state can be interchanged.
Well, as ConfederalSocialist has explained in his videos called, "Mommy Government" the state is an outgrowth of religion (or something like that).
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 16, 2010, 03:45:24 PM
"Dictionaries DO NOT define words. They only report popular usage. They ARE NOT authoritative sources." --Shane to some dude in his healthcare video
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Post by: valvatica on March 16, 2010, 06:20:31 PM
"Dictionaries DO NOT define words. They only report popular usage. They ARE NOT authoritative sources." --Shane to some dude in his healthcare video

I can see this becoming a problem if it's not already. While it's true dictionaries can be terrible in containing accurate scientific definitions for colloquial words (like AronRa pointed out with "animal" and "monkey"), for political terms they sometimes are in agreement with common usage and sometimes not. If dictionaries are only a conveyance of popular usage (they don't "define" the words as much as just render on pages what speakers of the language agree to), won't this create problems in arguments like the ones you guys have had with others? (If you thought ad hominem recursus was bad already...)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 16, 2010, 07:14:04 PM
I can see this becoming a problem if it's not already. While it's true dictionaries can be terrible in containing accurate scientific definitions for colloquial words (like AronRa pointed out with "animal" and "monkey"), for political terms they sometimes are in agreement with common usage and sometimes not. If dictionaries are only a conveyance of popular usage (they don't "define" the words as much as just render on pages what speakers of the language agree to), won't this create problems in arguments like the ones you guys have had with others? (If you thought ad hominem recursus was bad already...)
It's especially bad for more complex philosophical positions like "Atheism" and "Anarchy".
Check out the featured video on my youtube page by Ffreethinker to see what I mean...
Simply put, the dictionaries are full of shit with their definitions of Atheism, some even going as far as equating it to Hedonism (wtf?).
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 20, 2010, 11:40:04 AM
"If the only arguments for the existence of god contain logical fallacies, god may as well be a fallacy." --Unattributed quote on Morrakiu's userpage

"If the only arguments for the existence of a good/necessary state contain logical fallacies, the state may as well be a fallacy."--Me
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 21, 2010, 11:41:23 PM
"You're right that economics is complicated, which is exactly why free market thinkers don't pretend to be able to fully understand it enough to attempt centralized planning like you advocate." --Codad, The Free Market Was Framed: Government Intervention Caused The Financial Crisis by Jacob Spinney (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDp65Juibes)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 23, 2010, 02:09:06 PM
"I - USE - EXTENZE - AND NOW - MY COCK - IS SO BIG - IN SOME STATES, IT'S EVEN ILLEGAL" --Billy Mays in a YouTube poop (more sentence mixing)

Here's the source for those who are wondering: 
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Post by: MrBogosity on March 24, 2010, 05:24:28 PM
"Remember, when it comes to perpetrating a hoax, NASA has infinite resources, infinite talents and infinite competence. They lack competence in only one regard: landing humans on the moon." --YouTube user ApolloWasReal
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 26, 2010, 08:53:43 PM
"Save the World.  Smash the State."--Me
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 03, 2010, 11:24:07 PM
"Sup dawg, I herd u didn't liek forming babby, but I accidentally in your base." --xkcd comic strip.

Thank Shane for getting me addicted to that.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 05, 2010, 10:43:02 PM
"Communicating badly and then acting smug when you're misunderstood is not cleverness." --XKCD #169
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/words_that_end_in_gry.png)

Epic win.
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Post by: MrBogosity on April 05, 2010, 10:54:34 PM
And the mouseover text: "The fifth panel also applies to postmodernists."
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 05, 2010, 11:01:23 PM
And the mouseover text: "The fifth panel also applies to postmodernists."
True dat.

Here's another one: (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/search_history.png)
"As if I needed another reason to hate AOL...The only reason I even use them at all is for the IM service they have, and only then because so many of my friends us it..."--me on the above comic strip.
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Post by: The Late Andrew Ryan on April 06, 2010, 11:09:36 AM
And the mouseover text: "The fifth panel also applies to postmodernists."

For the love of god what exactly are postmodernists? I've never actually encountered one but everytime I try to read the wikipedia discription on it I just can't grasp exactly what these people are supposed to believe.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 07, 2010, 11:28:53 AM
For the love of god what exactly are postmodernists? I've never actually encountered one but everytime I try to read the wikipedia discription on it I just can't grasp exactly what these people are supposed to believe.
People who believe truth is relative, or something like that.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 07, 2010, 11:37:47 AM
"Honey comes from 4chan."--1:32 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNOcpw2duBs)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 08, 2010, 04:20:33 PM
Frederic Bastiat is very much underrated:

“Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.”
“The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.”
“When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will.”
“Taxes must, in the end, fall upon the consumer”

Apologies if any of these are re-posts.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 09, 2010, 06:06:32 PM
"The free market contains no coercive mechanism to grant special privileges to any one party. Only the government has the power to initiate coercion [in this fashion]. You want a single, monopolistic institution to have plenary power to order society as it sees fit, and you're going to pretend to be surprised when it turns out to be dominated by antisocial forces?"--Thomas E. Woods, Jr. Anatomy of an Economic Ignoramus (http://mises.org/daily/3695)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 12, 2010, 10:49:07 PM
"as atheists, they see themselves as the epitome of reason, as modern liberals they view everyone either as dumb, helpless puppies, or greedy suit men. only through their great reason and higher morals can they guide all the morons to utopia, saving them from the exploitation of the suits.
it's a thin veneer of moralizing bullshit covering an ocean of malice and brutality." --junior00bacon00chee, Secession & retard liberals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tgzlrMPWWA)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 13, 2010, 07:49:03 PM
"[W]e should pay people to dig a ditch and bury Keynesianism in it."

"Trying to cure a recession with more cheap credit is like trying to cure chemotherapy with more cancer."

from Daily Kos, of all places: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/1/8929/21462
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 14, 2010, 11:36:42 AM
"Taxes are the price we are forced to pay for the state, not civilization." --InTheEndIWasRight
"State =/= civilization" --Morrakiu
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 14, 2010, 01:37:20 PM
"Democracy is a failure.  Accept it and move on."--Me
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 15, 2010, 12:21:29 PM
"Yo Creationists, I'm really happy for you, I'mma let you finish but Charles Darwin had one of the best scientific theories of all time. One of the best scientific theories of all time!"--Me, and Kanye West.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 15, 2010, 06:00:41 PM
"If Adolf Hitler had actually existed, would you have fought for him or against him?" --Baya Rae 4900 (emphasis added by me)

Source:  (http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/8/86/Hitlerexisted.png)

I would have made it a fail quote, but this was one where it was just so damn funny, it HAD to be put here.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 15, 2010, 11:04:24 PM
Ludwig von Mises was the man.
All of the following quotes are attributed to him, and are from "The Quotable Mises" bit at Mises.org.


"With regard to economic goods, there can never be absolute overproduction." - Planning for Freedom

"The capitalist system of production is an economic democracy in which every penny gives a right to vote. The consumers are the sovereign people. The capitalists, the entrepreneurs, and the farmers are the peoples mandatories." - Bureaucracy

"Monetary calculation and cost accounting constitute the most important intellectual tool of the capitalist entrepreneur, and it was no one less than Goethe who pronounced the system of double-entry bookkeeping one of the finest inventions of the human mind." - Liberalism

"Under such a socialist mode of production all personal incentives which selfishness provides under capitalism are removed, and a premium is put upon laziness and negligence. Whereas in a capitalist society selfishness incites everyone to the utmost diligence, in a socialist society it makes for inertia and laxity." - Human Action

"Foreign-exchange control is today primarily a device for the virtual expropriation of foreign investments. It has destroyed the international capital and money market." - The Theory of Money and Credit

"Nazism conquered Germany because it never encountered any adequate intellectual resistance." - Omnipotent Government

"The romantic revolt against logic and science does not limit itself to the sphere of social phenomena. . . . It is a revolt against our entire culture and civilization." - Epistemological Problems of Economics

"It is vain to object that life and reality are not logical. Life and reality are neither logical nor illogical; they are simply given. But logic is the only tool available to man for the comprehension of both." - Human Action

"Every socialist is a disguised dictator." - Human Action
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 17, 2010, 11:11:59 PM
82abhilash:  "Do you ever get the feeling that we are slipping into the dark ages?"

Shane:  "No.
I get the feeling that many people are trying to put chains around our feet and DRAG us into the dark ages."

Me: "Be it the creationist liars, state dogmatists; or dogmatists in general..."

I simply HAD to add this little exchange.
The part from me wasn't a part of the original exchange, but was just me adding my two cents.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 18, 2010, 06:47:56 PM
"This is what I hate about democracy. It gives the illusion of freedom." --TheSupremeSketpic
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 25, 2010, 05:30:16 PM
"My populist tactics have made quite an impression
I transformed the republic's regression
You know me, tyranny, still I'm taking a bow
So say it loud and say it proud, we're all emperors now!"--opheliaic on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRvjZbspAc0) by Morrakiu

Epic win.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 25, 2010, 05:43:35 PM
Ludwig von Mises: "Modern war is not a war of royal armies. It is a war of the peoples, a total war. It is a war of states which do not leave to their subjects any private sphere; they consider the whole population a part of the armed forces. Whoever does not fight must work for the support and equipment of the army. Army and people are one and the same. The citizens passionately participate in the war. For it is their state, their God, who fights." - Omnipotent Government
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Post by: MrBogosity on April 25, 2010, 08:23:18 PM
"In a democracy, of course, you always get a choice. Do you want to be governed by the red or by the blue? It's entirely up to you. Do you want to be patronized, or condescended to? By liars or by crooks? You get to choose. Would you prefer your fundamental values to be insulted, or ignored? By con men, or by charlatans? In short, do you want your influence to be zero, or nil? And when would you like to be listened to: never, or not at all? It's your choice. Do you want some more choice? Take it, or leave it--now there's a real choice!"

"If either of [the major parties] wins, democracy will lose, and you know that, too. Now THAT is what I call a wasted vote."

--Pat Condell, from this video:

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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 25, 2010, 08:59:56 PM
Sounds like Pat Condell is waking up the idea that maybe democracy isn't all it's cracked up to be. :)
He's clearly awakened to the idea that voting for a party other than the main party is NOT a wasted vote.
And that government/states tend to work best when it is most localized.
You go Pat!
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 26, 2010, 01:21:09 AM
The proper reply to anyone using ad hominem to mean "name calling" or "verbal abuse" while claiming to be a skeptic and smarter than you:

"Let me Google that for you. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ad+hominem%E2%80%8E&l=1)" --Me
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 26, 2010, 12:41:40 PM
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That which can be asserted without evidence can be discarded without evidence." -- Carl Sagan, last time I checked.
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Post by: Whycantivote on April 26, 2010, 05:41:51 PM
"In a democracy, of course, you always get a choice. Do you want to be governed by the red or by the blue? It's entirely up to you. Do you want to be patronized, or condescended to? By liars or by crooks? You get to choose. Would you prefer your fundamental values to be insulted, or ignored? By con men, or by charlatans? In short, do you want your influence to be zero, or nil? And when would you like to be listened to: never, or not at all? It's your choice. Do you want some more choice? Take it, or leave it--now there's a real choice!"

"If either of [the major parties] wins, democracy will lose, and you know that, too. Now THAT is what I call a wasted vote."

--Pat Condell, from this video:


Interestingly there are now three "major" parties in the UK: the Conservative/Labour duopoly could be broken by the Liberal Democrat party. If that does happen it could provide other minor parties with a chance to increase their influence in Parliament - although most of the UK's minor parties are merely extremist versions of the major parties (the UKIP, which Pat Condell supports, seems to be an offshoot of the Conservative party).
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 27, 2010, 12:51:53 PM
Someone was going on about how companies lie about their products all the time and we need the politicians to stop them and so on and so forth.

"Tell me...what promises did your PM make when he was last campaigning?

How many of them has he kept?

I didn't think so"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 27, 2010, 08:50:07 PM
"What I'm objecting to is the opinion that since we learn a different way we must, therefore, be ignorant." -VeritasEtLibertas82
A comment on this video:
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 29, 2010, 03:57:16 PM
--Pat Condell, from this video:

Well, Richard "The Dick" Coughlan didn't like that:

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Whycantivote on April 29, 2010, 04:51:46 PM
Well, Richard "The Dick" Coughlan didn't like that:


The UKIP isn't any better than the other parties. They talk about reform but it doesn't sound like they'll reduce government spending or decrease the government's power by a significant amount. Their immigration policy is draconian.

Their policies (and the policies of the other UK parties) can be viewed here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8515961.stm#subject=key&col1=conservative&col2=labour&col3=libdem (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8515961.stm#subject=key&col1=conservative&col2=labour&col3=libdem)
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Post by: Gumba Masta on April 29, 2010, 05:10:03 PM
Then again is there ever anything that HE likes?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 29, 2010, 07:11:34 PM
The UKIP isn't any better than the other parties. They talk about reform but it doesn't sound like they'll reduce government spending or decrease the government's power by a significant amount. Their immigration policy is draconian.

Yeah, I can only conclude that the word "libertarian" means a different thing over there.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Whycantivote on April 29, 2010, 07:45:19 PM
Yeah, I can only conclude that the word "libertarian" means a different thing over there.

In Europe many small, euroskeptic conservative parties will refer to themselves as libertarian. Those parties invariably have extremist, xenophobic immigration policies -normally in the name of defending "Judeo-Christian culture"- but will endorse minor public spending cuts, or will endorse public spending cuts only slightly larger than those proposed by the mainstream parties, in order to justify their use of the word libertarian (although by their logic even Margaret Thatcher is a libertarian). They also avoid issues such as drug legalization or privatization of public services and usually favour an expansion of the military -the UKIP wants to increase the military budget by 40%.

An actual libertarian party in the EU would probably need to refer to itself as a "capitalist liberal" party (the word "liberal" doesn't have the same implications in the EU as it does in the USA).
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 29, 2010, 07:49:34 PM
Yeah, I can only conclude that the word "libertarian" means a different thing over there.

You say Tomato, I say Luftwaffe.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 03, 2010, 02:40:12 PM
Well, Richard "The Dick" Coughlan didn't like that:


Pat Condell responds:


I find it ironic that he claims the United State Constitution is, "The greatest document ever written." Yet holds mob rule (democracy) on such high merit.  I suspect he hasn't read the constitution, and/or is paying lip service to the ideals of a constitutional republic.

"Democracy is not freedom.  It is mob rule; a tyranny where the majority imposes their will--at gunpoint--on the minority.
It is a god that fails everytime it is tried; from the Greek city states to Rome after the fall of their republic.  In practice it is shown to be the biggest empowerment to special interests and power seeking politicians there is."--Me on Democracy.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 03, 2010, 03:35:41 PM
Let me see if I understand him correctly:

Sure, the UKIP are a bunch of deranged lunatics who want to pass dangerous legislation, but at least they want to keep a form of government in Britain that allows you to oppose them and defend yourself against them, as opposed to the other parties, who are a bunch of deranged lunatics who want to pass dangerous legislation and STOP you from opposing them and defending yourself against them.

Do I have that right?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on May 03, 2010, 07:24:20 PM
I don't think you have to extra call politicians dangerous lunatics. That's pretty much a given.
But yeah, that's pretty much how I understood his argument.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 03, 2010, 10:26:28 PM
Let me see if I understand him correctly:

Sure, the UKIP are a bunch of deranged lunatics who want to pass dangerous legislation, but at least they want to keep a form of government in Britain that allows you to oppose them and defend yourself against them, as opposed to the other parties, who are a bunch of deranged lunatics who want to pass dangerous legislation and STOP you from opposing them and defending yourself against them.

Do I have that right?
Pretty much, only add "oppose the EU's threat to Britain's national sovereignty" to "oppose them" and you got it! :D
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Whycantivote on May 04, 2010, 12:22:40 PM
Let me see if I understand him correctly:

Sure, the UKIP are a bunch of deranged lunatics who want to pass dangerous legislation, but at least they want to keep a form of government in Britain that allows you to oppose them and defend yourself against them, as opposed to the other parties, who are a bunch of deranged lunatics who want to pass dangerous legislation and STOP you from opposing them and defending yourself against them.

Do I have that right?

The UKIP wants to withdraw from the EU, close the borders and deport all illegal immigrants. They aren't going to implement a bill of rights, they aren't going to cut the £700Billion budget by any more than the other parties, they aren't going to change the House of Lords but they are going to move powers away from the devolved parliaments and back into Westminster and they are going to give themselves the authority to declare war.

The UKIP is little more than an extremist version of the Conservative party.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 05, 2010, 02:39:34 PM
"Those of us that disagree with government regulations aren’t against refs and rules. We’re against a single monopoly of the rulemaking that has been repeatedly and almost universally captured by the very industries it supposedly “regulates” and used to harm consumers, restrict competition and erect barriers to entry in order to protect politically powerful incumbent corporations." --John Papola
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 05, 2010, 08:16:54 PM
A response to the 'Restore Stephen Baldwin' video I posted in the fail quotes:
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on May 11, 2010, 11:56:14 AM
(http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20100423a.gif)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2010, 04:31:12 PM
(http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20100423a.gif)
That image is made of win.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2010, 04:40:33 PM
Unless otherwise stated, all of the following are from OKCupid's Militant-Mike1.
While his profile is fuckwin, he tends to have less-than-awesome grammar, which I will try to correct, but leave out for brevity.
Also, at one point he uses the f-word used as a derogatory slur for a homosexual to describe U.S. leftists, which I will edit out, due to Shane's rule against bigoted language.
The latter is also the reason why I have not posted his OKCupid profile's URL here.
What's more, because of the shear volume of words to be used, this will span several posts.
I hope you all enjoy these as much as I do. :)

"I do not surrender my treasures, nor do I share them. The fortune of my spirit is not to be blown into coins of brass and flung to the winds as alms for the poor of the spirit. I guard my treasures: my thought, my will, my freedom. And the greatest of these is freedom."

"Liberty is not negotiable. I will not allow you to pick and choose what liberties I am entitled to enjoy. Liberty is my natural right at birth. I will not compromise away the most precious thing I posses as a human being, Liberty. There can be no compromise with freedom and government control. To accept 'just a few' violations of liberty is to surrender the principle of inalienable individual rights. Likewise when there is a compromise between justice and injustice, the result is an injustice. When there is a compromise between rationality and irrationality, the result is irrational. When there is a compromise between integrity and hypocrisy, the result is hypocrisy. Therefore any compromise between freedom and slavery, results in slavery. If you wish to give up your liberty for safety or whatever else you think is worth that price, you are free to do so. You however have NO right to make this choice for me."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2010, 04:44:31 PM
"The good of 'society' has replaced the notion that the individual has a sacred right to live unmolested by government interference."
- Ron Paul

"I believe all human interaction should be voluntary; no exceptions. That even applies to those people calling themselves 'government'. Only the psychopaths of the world believe it's OK to shoot people to provide services. It doesn't matter what the service is; you don't shoot people to build roads or to pay for schools."
Or to provide health care.

"That two men have no more natural right to exercise any kind of authority over one, than one has to exercise the same authority over two. A man's natural rights are his own, against the whole world; and any infringement of them is equally a crime, whether committed by one man, or by millions; whether committed by one man, calling himself a robber (or by any other name indicating his true character), or by millions calling themselves a government." -- Lysander Spooner
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2010, 04:53:34 PM
"The State! Always and ever the government and its rulers and opera­tors have been considered above the general moral law. The 'Pentagon Papers' are only one recent instance among innumerable instances in history of men, most of whom are perfectly honorable in their private lives, who lie in their teeth before the public. Why? For 'reasons of State.' Service to the State is supposed to excuse all actions that would be considered immoral or criminal if committed by 'private' citizens. The distinctive feature of libertarians is that they coolly and uncompro­misingly apply the general moral law to people acting in their roles as members of the State apparatus. Libertarians make no exceptions. For centuries, the State (or more strictly, individuals acting in their roles as 'members of the government') has cloaked its criminal activity in high-sounding rhetoric. For centuries the State has committed mass murder and called it 'war'; then ennobled the mass slaughter that 'war' involves. For centuries the State has enslaved people into its armed battalions and called it 'conscription' in the 'national service.' For centuries the State has robbed people at bayonet [gun-] point and called it 'taxation.' In fact, if you wish to know how libertarians regard the State and any of its acts, simply think of the State as a criminal band, and all of the libertarian attitudes will logically fall into place." -- Murray Rothbard

"Off goes the head of the king, and tyranny gives way to freedom. The change seems abysmal. Then, bit by bit, the face of freedom hardens, and by and by it is the old face of tyranny. Then another cycle, and another. But under the play of all these opposites there is something fundamental and permanent — the basic delusion that men may be governed and yet be free."--H. L. Mencken

"It doesn't seem to me that people who are serious about freedom can indulge themselves too much longer in the fantasy that freedom can be advanced through politics without the risk of doing themselves substantial hurt. Politics are the dynamic of government, government is theft and slavery, and we can achieve freedom through political action like we can achieve celibacy through rape."--Victor Milan
I don't necessarily agree with this one, however, it's still a fav because it makes a nice point.

In his "I spend a lot of time thinking about" section of his profile:
"How anyone can believe Socialism is motivated by benevolence. The very premise of Socialism has always disgusted me to my core:

'Socialism is the doctrine that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that his life and his work do not belong to him, but belong to society, that the only justification of his existence is his service to society, and that society may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good.'--Ayn Rand"

"Democracy, and how I hate how total fucking dumb asses' votes count as much as mine; and how much I hate the evil premise of democracy:

You belong to everyone else."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2010, 04:57:05 PM
"When most people I hear in my daily life discuss politics or anything dealing with government in general this is all I hear:

'Blah, blah, blah, I'm going to send men with guns to your house and coerce you to do as I say. Take your money to spend on whatever I think is a better use of it, and to add insult to injury, I'm going to pretend its my right to do such, and call you selfish, evil, and un-American for just wanting to be free and left alone!'"

"I like turtles." (What? It made me laugh.)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2010, 05:11:35 PM
All of the following will be from the "You should message me if" section of Mike's profile:

"First off you shouldn't message [me] if:

You are some pseudo 'rebel'. All you Democrat douche bags piss me off more than the Republicans do. At least Republicans don't pretend to be against the status quo, and 'hate' the government. You guys sure loved the government during the shitty Clinton years. I don't remember any of you commie red democrat douche-bags having any complaints about any of Clinton's little wars. Just come out and admit it, you only think war is bad when the war president has a 'R' next to his name. War is waged for good and noble reasons when waged by a democrat. Give me a fucking break. What pisses me off about you people the most is how you harp about how the Republicans are such tools, and how enlightened and good you are. In reality, you are the biggest fucking tools around. Stop pretending you are fighting the status quo, YOU ARE THE STATUS QUO!

You support Barack Obama for president, and think he is for change. I'm getting so sick of hearing about how great Obama is, and how much 'change' will happen. Obama is an evil calculating politician, like all the rest. I hope he wins so all you ass-hats will be so disappointed when he doesn't bring our troops home, and sends more troops to Afghanistan and all the other places he wants to send them. Looks like when Obama talks about change he just meant changing where we send our troops. He voted for the bail out. You Obama-zombies are so naive. I will not be voting for this socialist war monger.

You think John McCain is the lesser evil. John McCain is as much as a socialist war monger as his buddy Barack Obama. If you can't understand this simple fact, I have no desire to waste time conversing with you.

People who believe the problem is Bush, and just the Republican party. Yes I will admit Bush is PART of the problem, and he needs to meet justice. What you fucktards don't realize is, there was a problem before Bush, and there will still be one no matter what establishment crony wins this sham we call elections.

I do not care what your personal opinions of guns are. But if you think that dislike of something gives you the right to disarm people, move along tyrant. I'm sure its clear from my words there are MANY things I dislike, but you don't see me advocating their prohibition, do you?

If you think Lincoln was a good president and great human being, please go kill yourself.

You support 'Anarchist' Communism. That is a oxymoron if there ever was one. So tell me how you plan on smashing a naturally arising [and therefore default] system like Capitalism, without a massive state?... I never see anyone besides fellow Market Anarchists falling on the 'Anarchist' section, you people always land down on socialist, where you statist swines belong.

I would like to make clear, I have no problem whatsoever with any VOLUNTARY, socialism or communism. As long as everyone consents, it is fine with me.

I have nothing but hatred for all new age bullshit. From astrology, to healing crystals, Feng Shui, or whatever else your trendy ass is claiming to believe in to show how cultured and enlightened you are. New agers are the most pretentious cunts I have ever come across. Total fucking tools.

Eastern religious people tend to annoy the shit out of me, as they tend to be liberal types that want to be fashionable and adopt some westernized version of some Eastern philosophy so they don't have to call themselves 'atheist' or 'agnostic'. And related to my hatred of New Age especially is Wiccans and those Neo-Pagan treehugger morons that adopt their beliefs because they got into an argument with their mothers and want to piss them off. You know they're almost always teenage girls with mommy issues. At least someone who is, Christian, Jewish, etc is doing it because they believe in or were raised that way, not just to be an elitist prick, "cultured", "open minded" or a "free thinker."

People with blind hatred of Capitalism. I'm so sick of people who clearly have never bothered to read an economics book but yet have strong opinions and knee jerk reactions to Capitalism while not even understanding it and confusing it for Corporatism or some bastardized version of a so-called 'free market'.

If you have ever said in conversations these lines:
'There ought to be law against that!' or 'The government should do something about that!' particularly in regards to some bullshit notion of 'social justice' or protecting people from themselves; we will NOT get along."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2010, 05:15:14 PM
"Now you should message me if:

You do not advocate [the initiation of] force to achieve your ends.

You do not want to take/steal my property or have others do it for you, including people called the state, for any reason.

You are not an absolute ethical subjectivist (insofar that you believe 'anything goes' and that you can do whatever you want) or an utilitarian.

You don't view human lives and their property as just a calculation in your cost-benefit analysis.

You have a passion for Justice.

You value Justice over 'tolerance' and 'acceptance.'

'Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.'-- G.K Chesterton

You are tolerant of other forms of organization and interaction than the kind that you promote.

You long for things as they could and should be, regardless of how things are.

You reject democracy and view it as another form of control over the individual. Might does not make right--no man, or group of men in any size or number, has any right to command another man for the sheer reason that that view is popular. If the lynch mob kills a man simply because he is unpopular, it is murder all the same, even if that mob consisted of every other person."

Woo!
That was long.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2010, 05:18:16 PM
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Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 19, 2010, 05:42:36 PM
"A common retort to anti-statism is that it is Utopian.  The people making this assertion seem to think that anti-statists believe that getting rid of the state will abolish all initiations of force, stop all robbery, stop all fraud and solve all problems.
However, this is not so.
We simply believe that stopping the initiations of force, robbery, fraud and problems caused by the state would be an outstanding start in the right direction, and a necessary one if we are to progress into society." --Me
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 19, 2010, 07:16:25 PM
In response to the first 1 minutes, 55 seconds of this video:

"Actually, Mr. Rothbard, I can make this even easier for you.
War is justified if and only if:

1. It is a purely defensive war: no preemptive 'we need to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here' bullshit.
2. The people fighting in it and funding it do so on a voluntary basis alone.
3. If all other peaceful measures and options have been tried and failed.
4. If it does not involve meddling in the affairs of others.

Your basis of 'overthrowing an oppressive power' could be used to justify the BS that is the Iraq invasion.
As it is given as a justification for the Iraq War, and for the Cold War--which you yourself oppose."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on May 20, 2010, 01:16:03 AM
There are a lot of doors being opend and shut with creaking noises.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2010, 06:39:45 PM
This entire video is a fav quote.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2010, 07:17:15 PM
As is this journal entry by Militant-Mike1 (just giving credit where it's due).
I will bold the part that is my favorite:

Quote
Spontaneous Order

Jun. 15, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KECcfKViog

 "liberty not the daughter but the mother of order," - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

 

I loved this video, but have two major complaints with it.

1. Anti-religious where it really doesn't need to be.  I don't care for religion myself, but I don't see why there would cease to be religion in an anarchist society. Religion is voluntary, and some religious people are also anarchists.

2. At the end the videos it asks if Anarchy is practical now, and it says no for now it is utopia. I take issue with this part because of poor wording.  Anarchy is impractical now, not because it cannot work, but because people are not anarchists. Until people reject the notion of states, we will not have our 'anarchy' long. Let's say we smashed the state tomorrow, without first converting humanity to be anarchistic, they would still be statists, disorder would take place, they would blame anarchists, say that statism is right, and demand a strong leader to bring them order, and a Hitler type would rise to meet that demand and would have much popular support. The way the video words it makes it sound like they are saying anarchism is unpractical now, and doesn't explain at all by what they mean.

In spite of these 2 things I'd give this video A-
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 21, 2010, 08:17:24 PM
Isn't his point #2 exactly what communists say?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2010, 08:23:44 PM
Isn't his point #2 exactly what communists say?

Now that you mention it, you do have a good point about that.
Oh well.
It did and still does remind me of a point you and others have made:  rulers can only rule for the long run if they are perceived as legitimate (assuming of course the population isn't already crippled but that's another story).
Therefore, we need to spread the word about free market economics in order to help correct so much of the garbage and dogmatic bullshit about economics out there to help undermine the legitimacy of rulers.
Or something or other. :P

EDIT:  Just for the heck of it, I'm going to ask him that and see what he says back.
He's a pretty arrogant and rude guy, but assuming his response has any substance (which I hope it does), I want to see what it is.
I'll post the reply in this thread.

EDIT 2:  Granted, I didn't watch the video, but I have a sneaking suspicion there is a conflation of Anomie = Anarchy.
Maybe.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2010, 09:03:45 PM
Regarding the video.
0:30 - OK, the definition used is the original definition of anarchy.  This could be problematic simply because of how vague it is.
What exactly is a "ruler"?  Am I the ruler of my property because I have the right to use it in ways that people who don't own it have (remembering that rights and responsibilities thing) giving rise to Anarcho-Communism for example?
E.G.: the head of a house-hold?
Or a business owner?
While the definition is a nice start, I simply don't like how vague it is.
I prefer the definition more akin to anti-statism on my profile:

"state (n.): A geopolitical monopoly on the 'legitimate' initiation of force, insofar as the use of first-strike force would be considered illegitimate if used via people who aren't acting as agents of the state; an extortion racket; a legitimized mafia"

0:32 through 1:36 - OK, more vagueness.  First off, I personally (and other anti-statists) don't mind the idea of leaders, even "dictators", "kings" etc, so long as they are voluntary (e.g. don't use the initiation of force for funds).
There is nothing wrong with leaders, so long as they are voluntary is the point here.

1:36 through 2:49 -Well, that's a nice example, but anti-statism, in addition to being a free market in all none-force services (e.g. medicine, education, goods, etc) would also be a free market in societal varieties as well.
Anarchy is emergent.  So you could have any number of different possibilities with arrangements, not just the ones shown there.
I know he shows it as an example, but this point really needs to be noted.  Anarchy/Anti-statism is a negative state.

2:50 until the last few seconds - His point is somewhat contradicting though.  'C' wants "free stuff" so they...buy weapons and risk their lives voluntarily to try and secure said "free" goods?
Also, there CAN be police, courts, military, etc in a stateless society.  There would just be competition among them (e.g. by service payments, or whatever other voluntary payment method people come up with).
What's more, I recall a video by ConfederalSocialist.  He noted that Iraq war is taking more than Iraq's entire GDP.  Remembering that war is expensive (especially if NOT done in pure self defense-just look at our own country), and the fact that because there would be very limited wealth creation (as resources go from the creation of wealth to the destruction of wealth) if any at all, it would be very hard, if not impossible for 'C' to maintain that offensive war for any extended period.
Unless of course they form a state, but then, they'd have to deal with the rest of the "country", and because they would have been more free, other things equal, they'd have more wealth to spend of defense.
I think you see where this is going.

4:27 through 4:33 - But notice how he never says WHY he thinks it is Utopian.
He merely states his opinion that it is.
Other Anti-statists such as Stefbot and opheliaic have rebutted this.  As such, I will not address this assertion.

So my grade will probably have to be a B-, or a C+.
It was above "average" in that he noted that Anarchy does not imply chaos, anomie, etc, but the vagueness, lack of economic considerations, and lack of emphasis on emergent voluntaryism, really cost him.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 23, 2010, 07:56:09 PM
Sick of Nightmare's gov worshipping tirades, I decided to throw some back at him.

When his PM to me included this gem...

"And quite frankly, it's more imoral to make people pay thousends up front to get injuries treated."

I decided to do a quick calculation...

Quote
I found this quote of particular interest and decided to get out the calculator.

According to CBC news report, Canada's healthcare budget for 2005 was 41 billion dollars.
Canada's population is 33.3 million.  Divide and the total is 1231$ per year approximately.  (Canada's healthcare budget actually increases every year so I'm in fact being generous with these numbers)

This means, that every man, woman and child in Canada is taxed 1231$ per year to pay for healthcare.  So, even if everyone in Canada got sick or injured once every five years, that means we would be charged 6000$ per treatment...

In truth, people on average get sick or injured significantly less than that so this number is actually much higher.

So....what was that you were saying about charging people thousands for treatment being immoral?  Hmm?

I hope I did this right...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 23, 2010, 09:10:22 PM
Sick of Nightmare's gov worshipping tirades, I decided to throw some back at him.

When his PM to me included this gem...

"And quite frankly, it's more imoral to make people pay thousends up front to get injuries treated."

I decided to do a quick calculation...

I hope I did this right...

I thought you did pretty good.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 24, 2010, 02:28:31 PM
"Religion is JUST a theory, people! A worthless one if you'd ask me."--allianceofdemons on youtube
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 24, 2010, 08:37:01 PM
Isn't his point #2 exactly what communists say?

Alright, I said I'd ask him exactly what you said and here's the reply I got:

"Never heard a communist say anything like that at all. Matter fact most of them try to say anarchism will never have to worry about anything because everyone 'will produce enough shit' or something. Yeah like disputes would never arise in a free society. You should read some Ludwig von Mises, about how its impossible for a minority to rule a majority for long unless the minority starts to become more popular etc, you think if the small group of anarchists we had now destroyed the government the bulk of humanity wouldn't just try to get a state back?"

I would personally like to hear what you think of his response.
As for me, it's the last clause that caught my attention.
Well of COURSE if we use force ("destroy") to overthrow the state, people would hate us for it, would see us as violent aggressors and would probably put us in gulags for killing so many people!
That would of course, make people associate anarchy and anti-statism with violence and of course further increase the state's legitimacy: the LAST thing we need to do.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 24, 2010, 08:59:28 PM
I call BS. He's NEVER heard a communist say this?

"Let's say we smashed capitalism tomorrow, without first converting humanity to be communistic, they would still be capitalists, disorder would take place, they would blame communists, say that capitalism is right, and politicians would rise to meet that demand and would have much popular support. The way the video words it makes it sound like they are saying communism is unpractical now, and doesn't explain at all by what they mean."

That's EXACTLY what they say. What they ALL say. He CAN'T have had any dealings with communists if he hasn't heard that.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 24, 2010, 10:01:51 PM
I call BS. He's NEVER heard a communist say this?

"Let's say we smashed capitalism tomorrow, without first converting humanity to be communistic, they would still be capitalists, disorder would take place, they would blame communists, say that capitalism is right, and politicians would rise to meet that demand and would have much popular support. The way the video words it makes it sound like they are saying communism is unpractical now, and doesn't explain at all by what they mean."

That's EXACTLY what they say. What they ALL say. He CAN'T have had any dealings with communists if he hasn't heard that.
Indeed.

Out of curiosity, do you think my assessment of the last point of his reply is accurate?
I honestly don't imagine the state being done away with unless it dies via the vast debts it has accumulated and finally undergoing a super hyper-inflationary collapse coupled by the intellectual death that Stefan Molyneux has pointed out.
Maybe.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 24, 2010, 10:06:37 PM
"So we are to trust individuals and the free-market or 'freedom' to prevent pockets of power from developing that can be exploited because a self interested people will stay informed.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree since you are liberal (as in free-market) and i'm more of realist."

"You trust a small monopoly group with armies and nukes and the power to counterfeit currency and you call yourself a realist?"--Stefan Molyneux, responding to the above.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 25, 2010, 02:50:41 PM
Isn't his point #2 exactly what communists say?
Aaaaand...at the risk of getting flamed, that wouldn't make it false.
I mean, if that's what you're getting at.

As for how to change over to anarchy...
I dunno.
How did people change from monarchies to republics?
(Seriously. ^^; )

*EDIT*  Although it just occured to me that, because private property is the naturally arising relationship between human beings and material things (Austrian School) as opposed to communal sharing forced or otherwise (socialism), that that would partially invalid his point.

"I am so smart! s-m-r-t.  I mean, s-m-a-r-t!"--Homer Simpson.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 25, 2010, 04:33:24 PM
Oh, it's not false, I just think it might be about as realistic.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 25, 2010, 04:40:50 PM
Oh, it's not false, I just think it might be about as realistic.

What might be as realistic?
Him and others toppling the US Government?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on May 25, 2010, 04:57:28 PM
Oh yeah. Just wait till you see the ruskies mind controled giant squids sinking your warships off the coast of florida.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 25, 2010, 05:12:21 PM
What might be as realistic?
Him and others toppling the US Government?

No, getting every single person on the planet to agree with a particular philosophy.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 25, 2010, 05:35:05 PM
No, getting every single person on the planet to agree with a particular philosophy.
Very true.

Also, to make it so this thread doesn't stray to far off topic:

"Communism is a mistress that you later find out was a mister.  And no amount of showering can wash the shame away."--The Cloak
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: valvatica on May 25, 2010, 09:45:24 PM

"Kyle, this is the way the world works. If you want to find some quality friends, you gotta wade through all the dicks first."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on May 26, 2010, 01:24:11 AM

"Communism is a mistress that you later find out was a mister.  And no amount of showering can wash the shame away."--The Cloak

Unless that sort of thing turn you on... Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 26, 2010, 11:57:40 AM
Ludwig von Mises: "A society that chooses between capitalism and socialism does not choose between two social systems; it chooses between social cooperation and the disintegration of society. Socialism is not an alternative to capitalism; it is an alternative to any system under which men can live as human beings." - Human Action
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 26, 2010, 11:59:54 AM
"The Borg continue to live up to Q's remark about them, that they are a threat unlike any the federation has ever faced. They're coming not to conquer, but to consume. They cannot be negotiated with, and they cannot be stopped. They not only enslave, but take your very soul and turn you against any and all you hold dear. But perhaps the most infuriating part of all that, is that they actually think they're doing you a favor. They are a personification of that terrifying adage; 'We're from the government, and we're here to help you.'"

sfdebris in this video:

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 26, 2010, 01:57:31 PM
"When something becomes illegal, consumer demand does not vanish."--Danny G. LeRoy, mises.org/daily/4429
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 26, 2010, 09:24:38 PM
"Immigration is only a problem in the context of a state. Without taxes, nobody would care where each of the 300 million people living in your geographical area were born.

At most, the most bigoted ones would care about where their neighbors were born."--zuiprax, on
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: valvatica on May 28, 2010, 01:42:29 AM
"Here's the first rule of bullshit: If somebody says 'There ought to be a law...', there probably oughtn't."
--Penn Jillette, from the Endangered Species episode of Penn & Teller: Bullshit!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 28, 2010, 01:06:20 PM
"Here's the first rule of bullshit: If somebody says 'There ought to be a law...', there probably oughtn't."
--Penn Jillette, from the Endangered Species episode of Penn & Teller: Bullshit!
Pure win. :D

Ludwig von Mises: "It is the typical policy of Après nous le déluge. Lord Keynes, the champion of this policy, says: In the long run we are all dead. But unfortunately nearly all of us outlive the short run. We are destined to spend decades paying for the easy money orgy of a few years." - Omnipotent Government

Ludwig von Mises: "There is no kind of freedom and liberty other than the kind which the market economy brings about. In a totalitarian hegemonic society the only freedom that is left to the individual, because it cannot be denied to him, is the freedom to commit suicide." - Human Action
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2010, 04:06:00 PM
"it's not that hard for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. you'd just need a really sharp blender and a really small hose."--dsaerno
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2010, 06:29:25 PM
"The definition of freedom is not complicated.  Freedom means that which the government does not control.  You are free when the government cannot steal your income, when it cannot tell you what to say or with whom you may or may not associate.  You are free when the government cannot take your kids and send them to far-flung wars to kill and be killed.  You are free when you control your life, your property, your church, your business, and your future.  You are free when the government cannot inflate away your savings, tax away your profits, lay waste to your dividends by regimenting corporate life, or controlling how much of what you buy and sell and from where." - Lew Rockwell

In retrospect, this might also be part fail quote as well.
Freedom is absence of the initiation of force.
Are you free as a thief robs you and/or threatens your life?
I would hope not.
While the state is easily one of the biggest causes of not being free, it is certainly not the only one.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2010, 10:49:55 AM
"If you're going to point out failures of the free market, make sure the failures are actually caused BY the free market, and not by intervention of the sort you yourself are advocating."--Me, inspired from shanedk

"If you're going to point out why evolution can't happen, make sure these flaws are actually something the scientists believe, not your own strawman."--Me, inpired from TheriminTrees
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2010, 03:52:58 PM
Ludwig von Mises: "Capital is not a free gift of God or of nature. It is the outcome of a provident restriction of consumption on the part of man. It is created and increased by saving and maintained by the abstention from dissaving." - The Anti-Capitalistic Mentality

"Government has no power to eliminate scarcity."--Gary Galles (http://mises.org/daily/3752)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 03, 2010, 10:19:49 AM
This whole speech is a fav quote:


Part 2:

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 04, 2010, 04:57:26 PM
"Blaming the free market for recessions is like blaming gravity for plane crashes." --Anyone know who said this? I've heard it for many years, but never knew where it originated from.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2010, 05:23:37 PM
"Blaming the free market for recessions is like blaming gravity for plane crashes." --Anyone know who said this? I've heard it for many years, but never knew where it originated from.

I have no idea.
But wasn't it, "Blaming greed for recessions is like blaming gravity for plane crashes."?
Your quote didn't give any google results (with the quotes), but mine gave two.  Of course, it was just a newspaper comment or two with no credit given to who first said it.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 04, 2010, 05:53:06 PM
I imagine there are tons of iterations. I can't remember what form I first heard it, it was so long ago.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2010, 06:32:27 PM
To answer your question, no, I don't know where it first came from. :(

"I cut down trees, I wear high heels
Suspendies and a bra
I wish I'd been a girlie
Just like my dear papa"--The best part of that Monty Python "Lumberjack" song.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 04, 2010, 06:50:32 PM
"Blaming the free market for recessions is like blaming gravity for plane crashes." --Anyone know who said this? I've heard it for many years, but never knew where it originated from.

I first heard it from Stefan Molyneux but I believe he was quoting someone else.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 05, 2010, 06:57:33 PM
Epic Fav Quote:
(http://img.moronail.net/img/2/0/1020.jpg)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AHPMB on June 06, 2010, 10:54:31 AM
"Blaming the free market for recessions is like blaming gravity for plane crashes." --Anyone know who said this? I've heard it for many years, but never knew where it originated from.

I've heard that quote used in hundreds of different forms defending everything from the free market, to self interest, to socialism.  I think the original use came from Thomas Sowell when he was discussing people blaming greed as a cause of recession, though I don't know which article.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 06, 2010, 12:18:06 PM
"'Circumcision' is this nice-sounding, sterile, harmless word, and 'mutilation' has all these negative connotations. In both cases, I think we should call it what it is: amputation. In males, you're amputating the foreskin, and in females the clitoris and possibly the labia minora. It's AMPUTATION. And it should NEVER be done without a damn good reason."--Shane Killian in this video's highest rated comments section. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAlEcB4KNDo)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: valvatica on June 07, 2010, 02:54:04 AM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 07, 2010, 07:10:26 PM
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."--attributed to Jack Handey
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2010, 11:19:01 AM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 11, 2010, 01:32:20 AM
A friend showed me this quote which is from the video game Ceasar 4.
"This house needs religion to evolve."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on June 11, 2010, 03:23:18 PM
A friend showed me this quote which is from the video game Ceasar 4.
"This house needs religion to evolve."

There should be a "FACEPALM!" thread for quotes like that...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 11, 2010, 04:24:30 PM
There should be a "FACEPALM!" thread for quotes like that...
Why do you think I started that "fail quotes" thread? :P
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 11, 2010, 04:45:19 PM
My apologies if I've already posted this, but this was just too good to NOT put into the light.
It's a bit long, so I will link to it instead.
Shane, this one's for you:
What you must believe to be a Democrat/Republican by Darian Worden (http://www.okcupid.com/profile/Militant-Mike1/journal/6588951328268915063/What-you-must-believe-to-be-a-Democrat-Republican)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 11, 2010, 04:47:21 PM
Lord T Hawkeye, I know that you like Stefan Molyneux's work.
So here's a little piece I'm sure you'll love.
I don't know if you've read it or not, but I've read it twice, and think he hit the nail on the head.
The Gun in the Room by Stefan Molyneux (http://www.okcupid.com/profile/Militant-Mike1/journal/8343391846816144145/The-Gun-in-the-Room)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 11, 2010, 04:52:10 PM
Another one from Mike's journals (last one for now, I promise!):
As it says--DON'T READ AHEAD UNTIL YOU MAKE YOUR CHOICE!
Who Would You Vote For? by Mike (http://www.okcupid.com/profile/Militant-Mike1/journal/8221555972727197836/Who-would-you-vote-for-)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: valvatica on June 12, 2010, 07:36:13 PM
I don't consider this a favorite quote, just funny considering when it was written (1989, in the second edition). I recently finished The Selfish Gene and found this endnote on computer viruses:

Quote
What is less easy is to know how to combat them. Unfortunately some very expert programmers have had to waste their valuable time writing virus-detector programs, immunization programs and so on (the analogy with medical vaccination, by the way, is astonishingly close, even down to the injection of a 'weakened strain' of the virus). The danger is that an arms race will develop, with each advance in virus-prevention being matched by counter-advances in new virus programs. So far, most anti-virus programs are written by altruists and supplied free of charge as a service. But I foresee the growth of a whole new profession—splitting into lucrative specialisms just like any other profession—of 'software doctors', on call with black bags full of diagnostic and curative floppy discs. I use the name 'doctors', but real doctors are solving natural problems that are not deliberately engineered by human malice. My software doctors, on the other hand, will be, like lawyers, solving man-made problems that should never have existed in the first place. In so far as virus-makers have any discernible motive, they presumably feel vaguely anarchistic. I appeal to them: do you really want to pave the way for a new fat-cat profession? If not, stop playing at silly memes, and put your modest programming talents to better use.

What's funny, is that it's exactly how he predicted it, but worse. It's not only the constant arms race between virus/anti-virus, but false positives: anti-virus programs (which are themselves viruses) which infect your computer and subsequently offer to remove the virus for a price! I can't tell you how common that shit is getting and how desperate it's making people to pay to make it go away, only to have it come back. I literally chuckled when I read the "software doctors" part.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 14, 2010, 12:55:05 AM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/southern_half.png)

And the mouse over text: "Also, if you read his speech at Rice, all his arguments for going to the moon work equally well as arguments for blowing up the moon, sending cloned dinosaurs into space, or constructing a towering penis-shaped obelisk on Mars."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 14, 2010, 04:57:02 AM
, or constructing a towering penis-shaped obelisk on Mars."

Well, he wasn't JFK for nothing.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 15, 2010, 02:59:42 PM
"If you vote, you can't complain."--Dale Everett
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: valvatica on June 15, 2010, 06:28:50 PM
"If you vote, you can't complain."--Dale Everett

Isn't that supposed to be "If you don't vote..."? Unless there's some irony I'm not seeing.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 15, 2010, 06:58:34 PM
Isn't that supposed to be "If you don't vote..."? Unless there's some irony I'm not seeing.

He switched it, and for good reason:  http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2008/10/14/if-you-vote-you-cant-complain/
http://anarchyinyourhead.com/uploads/anti_vote_brochure_vers2.pdf

The short version on the second link:

"If You Vote,
You Can't Complain


I'm sure you've heard the expression
the other way around, but does it
make sense? You knew the rules of
the game before you played. If you
buy the story at face value, then you
believe in the rules of the game. If
you didn't get what you wanted then
at least in theory you lost fair and
square. So why are you complaining?

The expression seems to be based on
the notion that if you don't like the
way things are, you should do
something to change things. Of course
the democratic process is presented as
the one and only “something” you can
do. It's not. Additionally, what if the
thing you take issue with is the
process itself? Imposing one-size-fits-all
solutions based on who can amass
the biggest gang is not the only, and
certainly not the best, way for society
to address problems. Some of us don't
buy into the rules of this dangerous
game, so we choose not to play and
we encourage others not to as well."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 15, 2010, 07:07:40 PM
George Carlin said pretty much the same thing, only funnier:

"I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain,' but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote--who did not even leave the house on Election Day--am in no way responsible for what these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 15, 2010, 07:15:42 PM
I prefer Dale's explanation over Carlin's because Carlin's would technically only apply if you voted for the winning candidate.
Dale's applies regardless of who you vote for.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 16, 2010, 07:02:23 PM
In response to the wage slavery idea of "WORK OR STARVE!!":

Quote from: AshillaBeige
Because the situation is BREATHE OR DIE, we are slaves to our lungs.
Lets overthrow our lungs.
on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN5LDFbXYaY)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 16, 2010, 11:52:32 PM
"Here's the first rule of bullshit: If somebody says 'There ought to be a law...', there probably oughtn't."
--Penn Jillette, from the Endangered Species episode of Penn & Teller: Bullshit!
"The second rule of bullshit and the first rule of skepticism: There are no sacred cows."--Me, saying what you know was on his mind during the making of every single episode of that show. :3
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: valvatica on June 17, 2010, 02:59:40 AM
Well put. I have another one that's a keeper:

""Nobody can convince me?" Bells should go off in your head when you hear those words. That's his* bullshit idea of skepticism. A real skeptic demands to be convinced, with evidence." (Emphasis mine) *Quoting some conspiracy nut in the episode in question
--Penn Jillette, from the Conspiracy Theories episode of Penn & Teller: Bullshit!

It never made more sense to me why people have such contempt for conspiracy theorists. It's not that their beliefs are ludicrous necessarily, it's that they don't want to entertain the possibility of being wrong, ever. They state things such as "you can say anything you want to me, but nothing will change my mind." There's nowhere to go from that. There's no discussion to be had. Their wanting the conspiracy to be true means more to them than ascertaining that which is actually true. So, no different than creationists, really.

Also, thanks for the corroboration of the voting quotes. I never thought of it that way.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 17, 2010, 06:34:53 AM
Well put. I have another one that's a keeper:

""Nobody can convince me?" Bells should go off in your head when you hear those words. That's his* bullshit idea of skepticism. A real skeptic demands to be convinced, with evidence." (Emphasis mine) *Quoting some conspiracy nut in the episode in question
--Penn Jillette, from the Conspiracy Theories episode of Penn & Teller: Bullshit!

Oh I remember that guy, he wore a black berret, glasses and I think he even had the goatee.
Either he was unbearably cliched or a poe.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 17, 2010, 09:51:36 PM
"A traffic jam is a collision between free enterprise and socialism. Free enterprise produces automobiles faster than socialism can build roads and road capacity." --Andrew Galambos
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 18, 2010, 12:59:46 AM
Werent roads built so people buy more cars?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 18, 2010, 07:15:34 AM
I don't know of a single city in the US where the number of lane miles has kept up with the amount of miles driven. Around here, it seems like they're always 20 years behind.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 18, 2010, 08:15:38 AM
And that is bad?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 18, 2010, 08:34:52 AM
Yes, because it means there's greater traffic, more traffic jams, people taking longer to get to where they want or need to go, and lots more pollution as a result.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 19, 2010, 06:03:18 AM
What you're saying is that there be more cars with or without roads to be jamed by them?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 19, 2010, 07:14:40 AM
It's based on miles driven; not only how many cars there are, but how much people drive them.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 19, 2010, 10:03:22 AM
How many cars can one person drive at a time anyway?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 19, 2010, 10:18:37 AM
What does that have to do with anything?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 19, 2010, 11:44:40 AM
What it has to do with it?
Oh, let me count you the ways...

One,
two...
uh, threeee
...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 19, 2010, 12:30:38 PM
OK, I think your bogometer's going up now.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 19, 2010, 12:54:48 PM
"Dey tuk er jerbs!"--South Park
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 19, 2010, 03:43:18 PM
OK, I think your bogometer's going up now.
As it damn well should.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 19, 2010, 04:16:13 PM
"Take your hair and stick it in me!"--Na'vi woman
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 19, 2010, 07:24:03 PM
Okay, once again trying to lift this thread out of a puerile quagmire:

"We do not choose political freedom because it promises us this or that. We choose it because it makes possible the only dignified form of human coexistence, the only form in which we can be fully responsible for ourselves. Whether we realize its possibilities depends on all kinds of things--and above all on ourselves." --Karl Popper, "On Freedom" (1958)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 19, 2010, 09:53:28 PM
"A jealous lover of human liberty, deeming it the absolute condition of all that we admire and respect in humanity, I reverse the phrase of Voltaire, and say that, if God really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him."--Mikhail Bakunin
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 21, 2010, 06:48:29 PM
"There is no religion of philanthropy. All dominant religions are fueled by money."--allianceofdemons
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 21, 2010, 11:38:31 PM
First what would probably qualify as a fail quote for the sake of context:

lynchmobb2000: "Grow up, not everyone who wants socialized medicine is a statist. Although I am a proponent of universal healthcare, I oppose a thousand things the govt does. And taxation is not theft, your presence in the country says you consent to pay your taxes when they are due.
Some problems are so big only govt can solve them. Universal healthcare is one of them."

The response made of win, with the most epic part bolded, by me, for emphasis:
Quote
Some problems are so big that only the gods on earth can solve them? Do you not see the problem with this idea?
Taxation is extortion. If the mob did the same thing, they would go to prison, so living in a arbitrary area does not give others the right to steal from you.
And yes, you are a statist if you think that the state is the only way to solve something.
I also resent this "grow up" bullshit. You are never to old to be outraged by tyranny.
--FearsEdge, on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McRfwSHzRz0)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 22, 2010, 03:51:32 PM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 28, 2010, 05:34:01 PM
"The only thing the demopublicans want more than to know what you're up to is
for you not to know what they're up to." --Tom Bailey (North Carolina Libertarian activist)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 29, 2010, 01:08:30 AM
"Socialized Medicine:  Making medical costs vanish using the power of wishful thinking."--Lord T Hawkeye, in an AIM session.
Idea by him, refining and proofreading by me.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 29, 2010, 10:02:56 PM
"Fucking' markets, how do they work?
And I don't want to talk to a free market anarchist.
Y'all motherfuckers lying, and gettin' me pissed!"--Me, being a smart-ass.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 01, 2010, 12:52:43 AM
"War, debt and inflation are good for the economy."--fail quote inspired by Lord T Hawkeye's 'Debt is good' acquaintance.

"Like self-cannibalism [eating yourself] is good for your health."--The proper response to the above
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 01, 2010, 02:00:17 AM
Well... It's sort of a last resort.
I once had a game where you could develop a spaceship tech that cannibalized part of the hull to convert it to energy for your ship weapons.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 01, 2010, 04:29:56 PM
Anyone know who said this?

"Even the best laws can't keep bad men from doing evil things."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 01, 2010, 04:51:18 PM
No idea.

How about this one:
"Bureaucracy: the practice of making organizations as inefficient as possible."?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 01, 2010, 05:10:25 PM
Burt Reynolds?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 02, 2010, 01:37:10 AM
Anyone know who said this?

"Even the best laws can't keep bad men from doing evil things."

Penn Jillette said something like this.

"You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by making insane laws...that's insane."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 02, 2010, 01:58:56 AM
"Bureaucracy grows to fit the needs and demands of a growing bureaucracy."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 02, 2010, 06:09:57 AM
"Bureaucracy grows to fit the needs and demands of a growing bureaucracy."

Actually, it's: "Bureaucracy is expanding to fit the needs of an expanding bureaucracy." --Ashleigh Brilliant
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 02, 2010, 07:35:19 AM
So I got the wording wrong. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 02, 2010, 01:03:47 PM
If it makes you feel any better, I liked your wording more than the original's.

"War, and preparation for war, is a racket; serving the special interests." --Ron Paul
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 02, 2010, 06:10:06 PM
"in inflation everything gets more valuable except money"--Princeton's Online dictionary.
Put here because it made me laugh.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on July 03, 2010, 02:55:38 AM
So I got the wording wrong. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

...


Don't remember how you could put YouTube videos in here, so I can't really give you the obvious follow up.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 03, 2010, 03:08:00 AM
Don't remember how you could put YouTube videos in here, so I can't really give you the obvious follow up.


"If you want something done right, do it yourself."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 03, 2010, 05:04:15 PM
"Is it just me, or does Stefan Molyneux's voice sound like it's computer generated?"--Shane Killian Comment on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAiYlaGxyV0)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 05, 2010, 02:30:12 AM
"It would seem that the correct prejudice to hold when reading any science story in any non scientific journal is to assume it's utter bullshit."--morganbath, highest rated comment on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmECHrOcFlc)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 10, 2010, 08:56:42 AM
Heh, they seem to be having fun with that cartoon.

http://blog.mises.org/13218/the-24-types-of-authoritarians/
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: valvatica on July 10, 2010, 05:18:41 PM
My favorites are Petty Tyrant, The Deluded, and The White Sheep. Every time I walk down the sidewalk to the transit center, I can't help but laugh when I pass the tall "No Littering, $500 Fine" sign planted in the grass, with trash scattered all around it. I should take a picture and post it here, now that I think about it :-)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 10, 2010, 05:57:33 PM
Heh, they seem to be having fun with that cartoon.

http://blog.mises.org/13218/the-24-types-of-authoritarians/
DUDE!
Thanks for sharing! :D
That was pure win.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 17, 2010, 10:09:17 AM
"No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free." --G'Kar, Babylon 5: "The Long, Twilight Struggle"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 17, 2010, 10:40:04 PM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 18, 2010, 08:27:54 AM
Another great G'Kar quote:

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on July 19, 2010, 05:09:01 AM
Thank you very much Shane, now I will watch every single episode of that show  :)

Now some from me:

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 19, 2010, 06:42:07 AM
Thank you very much Shane, now I will watch every single episode of that show  :)

Now some from me:
"The video you have requested is not available." Please double-check.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on July 19, 2010, 09:42:01 AM
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Edit: fixed.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 20, 2010, 08:23:36 PM
"We could not maintain the Gold Standard, nor the Silver Standard. We could not maintain the Copper Standard. And now, we cannot even maintain the Zinc Standard." --Ron Paul, Financial Services Committee Hearing, 20 July 2010, as shown in this video:


(Also, big LOL starting at about 7:04.)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 22, 2010, 06:05:28 PM
Ludwig von Mises:  "What elevates man above all other animals is the cognition that peaceful cooperation under the principle of the division of labor is a better method to preserve life and to remove felt uneasiness than indulging in pitiless biological competition for a share in the scarce means of subsistence provided by nature. Guided by this insight, man alone among all living beings consciously aims at substituting social cooperation for what philosophers have called the state of nature or bellum omnium contra omnes or the law of the jungle." - The Ultimate Foundation of Economic Science
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 25, 2010, 08:41:23 PM
Another great B5 quote:

"Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe and Lao-Tzu, Einstein, Morobuto, Buddy Holly, Aristophanes...and all of this...all of this was for nothing...unless we go to the stars." --Jeffrey Sinclair, Babylon 5: "Infection"

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 03, 2010, 11:49:35 AM
"What worries me more than the people who are trying to take over are the people who already have." Richard Coughlan, in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObvOzWiwHMU)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 03, 2010, 09:00:35 PM
This entire video is a win:


As I stated in the comment section:
About 16 minutes in, about "pirate publishers", it reminds me of how, before the government got involved in health care, many doctors (or at least the AMA) complained that health care was too cheap, too available to the point where the medical industry would soon be bankrupt.

I would bet that the publishers making similar claims are also full of it.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 04, 2010, 03:16:44 AM
"Can anything be more ridiculous than that a man has a right to kill me because he lives on the other side of the water, and because his ruler has quarrel with mine, although I have none with him?" -- Blaise Pascal

"Whoever wishes peace among peoples must fight statism." -- Ludwig von Mises

"The great non sequitur committed by defenders of the State is to leap from the necessity of society to the necessity of the State." -- Murray N. Rothbard

"The worship of the state is the worship of force. There is no more dangerous menace to civilization than a government of incompetent, corrupt, or vile men. The worst evils which mankind ever had to endure were inflicted by governments." -- Ludwig von Mises

"Socialism is not the pioneer of a better and finer world, but the spoiler of what thousands of years of civilization have created. It does not build; it destroys. For destruction is the essence of it. It produces nothing, it only consumes what the social order based on private ownership in the means of production has created." -- Ludwig von Mises

"Putting aside all the fancy words and academic doubletalk, the basic reason for having a military is to do two jobs — to kill people and to destroy." -- Gen. Thomas S. Power
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AHPMB on August 04, 2010, 02:39:26 PM
I try to read Asamov at least once a year.  My favorite quote of his is still: "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 04, 2010, 03:37:20 PM
I try to read Asamov at least once a year.  My favorite quote of his is still: "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."

Not familiar with him. I do read Asimov, though. :P

"Dalton's records, carefully preserved for a century, were destroyed during the World War II bombing of Manchester. It is not only the living who are killed in war."

"Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right."

"Self-education is, I firmly believe, the only kind of education there is."

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 04, 2010, 08:41:09 PM
I showed Lord T Hawkeye this video (also a Fav Quote in and of itself):


To which he responded with:  "I just stick with the simple one:  70% of women jack off, 90% of men do and the rest lie about it."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 05, 2010, 02:05:55 AM
Oh, apparently Coughland got banned over that video when it was flagged down for "inappropriate" content.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 05, 2010, 06:48:36 AM
And there wasn't anything inappropriate in it at all; just a discussion of the statistics and what they mean.

I wonder who complained?
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Post by: Gumba Masta on August 05, 2010, 09:16:06 AM
I think we would get a shorter list if we asked who would'nt do that.
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Post by: MrBogosity on August 05, 2010, 02:41:23 PM
Richard on the takedown:

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Post by: Gumba Masta on August 05, 2010, 03:44:12 PM
Well all I can say about this is best summed up in

(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o196/Gumba_Masta/HatersGonnaHate.jpg)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 07, 2010, 06:29:20 PM
I think this whole letter here is for the win.

http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2010/08/a-letter-dated-august-7.html
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 10, 2010, 08:39:05 PM
"People collect Jack Chick tracts the same way people collect pornography—and for the same reason." - Ivan Stang
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2010, 08:19:26 PM
(http://o.onionstatic.com/images/articles/article/12321/Cartoon-Canada-Threat_jpg_630x1200_upscale_q85.jpg)

I love The Onion's editorial cartoons.
I still remember the days when we in the states would mock Canadian Fiat $'s for being worth less than ours.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 12, 2010, 09:25:40 PM
"Fuck you division of labour! We don't need your bullshit!"--Morrakiu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmyNyVVWlbo)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 14, 2010, 02:27:04 AM
"Collectivism is slavery."--F. A. Hayek
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 14, 2010, 02:42:52 AM
"@Wollff85 Do you apply this universally? When a black man robs a store, is it the responsibility of all black men to stand up and denounce that black man? Is it the responsibility of all men to take responsibility for the man who beats his wife? Must all Japanese denounce the Rape of Nanking merely by virtue of the land they were born on?

Why should individuals care about what random other individuals they have never met do? No one is responsible to defend or denounce anyone else."--Stargazer5781

Source:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEouJvowQ-A
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 18, 2010, 01:32:20 AM
Well, since we've been discussing Penn & Teller in another thread, I found this from Lord T Hawkeye, that made me smile:

"We should be skeptical of government but we shouldn't just make shit up."--Penn Jillette, on the 9/11 conspiracy theories(?)

And speaking of 9/11, I found out that JBC (the dude hawking the "Modern Physics is irrational" bullshit on this thread (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=500.0)) is a 9/11 truther.
Why am I not surprised?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 19, 2010, 02:18:34 AM
This entire video is made of win, from start to finish.


A sample: "Marxism and socialism is based on the religion of central planning in the economy; just like theism is based on the belief of central planning in the universe.  Capitalism is the atheism of an economy."--The last words of the video.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 20, 2010, 12:46:14 PM
"Those individuals who committed this heinous act of violence did not stop off first and ask American Muslims for permission before flying these planes into buildings. Neither did they consider the consequences of how this act would hurt American Muslims in our society. On the contrary, one of the most shameful things I have found about the political manipulation of September 11 is the refusal to even mention the Muslims who were murdered that day as well." --Mike Beitler, Libertarian candidate for US Senate (NC)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 20, 2010, 02:31:01 PM
"Those individuals who committed this heinous act of violence did not stop off first and ask American Muslims for permission before flying these planes into buildings. Neither did they consider the consequences of how this act would hurt American Muslims in our society. On the contrary, one of the most shameful things I have found about the political manipulation of September 11 is the refusal to even mention the Muslims who were murdered that day as well." --Mike Beitler, Libertarian candidate for US Senate (NC)
*Applause* Very well put.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 22, 2010, 03:27:54 PM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 22, 2010, 03:34:26 PM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 22, 2010, 04:50:09 PM
What the hell?!
What is it with all these people recording videos while sitting in a car, driving around?
This one even holds a fucking mike!
Is this some sort of "Jerkass - Youtube Edition"?
Don't they know they endanger lives with this kind of behavior. Not just everyone else's but their own as well, mainly because I tend to shoot everyone I see doing that on sight.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 24, 2010, 09:05:33 PM
"See, I think Objectivists miss the point by trying to make it a system of ethics. The point of libertarianism is ONLY about what level of force is permissible in society."--Shanedk, comment to an Objectivist on his Free Market video

That's one of my bigger issues with Stefan Molyneux (he's a post Objectivist from what I can tell).
He takes it too far in the opposite direction of guys like Fringeelements (who's a moral nihilist).
I mean, don't get me wrong, moral arguments are good, and economic arguments are good, as are logical arguments.
I personally think a balance is needed.
I wasn't pushed out of full blown statism into anti-statism by any one (or two) of these alone.
And I would bet that I'm not the only one either.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 24, 2010, 10:52:02 PM
I don't see why people treat them as exclusive.  They're all tied together by logic and evidence.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 25, 2010, 12:29:42 PM
I don't see why people treat them as exclusive.  They're all tied together by logic and evidence.
You noticed that too, huh?
Glad I'm not the only one. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 25, 2010, 12:30:35 PM

Made.
Of.
Win.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 29, 2010, 09:18:43 AM
Heh, not a bad analogy for something I made up on the spot at 6 AM

Quote
Wraithkun 6:14 am
(6:14:07 AM):     I'm still not sure why I can't sue the gov't for breach of contract.
Lord T Hawkeye 6:14 am
(6:14:21 AM):     for the same reason you can't kill Shabranigdo with the dragon slave

Explanation: Shabranigdo is a demon lord from the anime Slayers.  Dragon slave is a powerful spell that draws it's power from the negative forces of the world, a power Shabranigdo has complete control over.  So like Lina Inverse herself explains "It's like coming up to someone and saying 'hey, could you help me kill you?'"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 30, 2010, 11:14:34 AM
Ludwig von Mises: "If there were no regularity, nothing could be learned from experience." - The Ultimate Foundation of Economic Science
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 31, 2010, 08:43:17 PM
"Libertarian Socialism is the single biggest oxymoron in political science."--RaymondDundas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0fV1mbeyP0)

Well, with the possible exception of "State Capitalism".
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 01, 2010, 12:36:39 AM
This video is made of win.
I would bet that every word of it applies to 9/11 truthers as well.
So when JBC plays internet tough guy insisting I make videos about the stuff he believes that I think is bullshit, while I didn't respond, I suppose another good response would have been to just say what ThetaOmega did at the end of this video.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 01, 2010, 06:50:20 AM
I see someone's channeling Yahtzee there.
Needs a bit work in the animations and some voice excersise but he should be on a good way, barring the usual pitfalls.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 03, 2010, 04:40:00 PM
"When all else fails, do the experiment."--My Physics Professor
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 10, 2010, 04:39:43 PM
"The evolutionary model says that 1+1=2, and yet there are proofs on YouTube that show how 1+1=0 using the evolutionary concept of the Sqrt(-1). I mean the truth of evolution proves how false it is. How can we even be sure that Sqrt(-1) = i ? Therefore, since 1+1=2=0, god created all the plants and animals and all of their disturbing genetic defects. And, yes, god created the genetic defects for a reason too. I mean, look at how bad he fucked up his math." --MultiPaulinator, on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym--wS7xUsk)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 10, 2010, 04:55:47 PM
Nice.
Reminds me of the people who use Epimenides Paradox/Dilemma to show that logic is false/flawed/human/whatever.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 10, 2010, 11:45:59 PM
(Sing-Songey): Oh, guys, look what video has been reinstated:

;D
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 16, 2010, 01:08:14 AM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 16, 2010, 10:06:57 PM
"@Leiwaena Eye for an eye is a throwback to our more primitive times and the more we can learn to control such urges, the better. When men do wrong, compensating the victims of such wrongs should be first priority and right now, it's not even an afterthought and I think that's very tragic.

The real one to be angry at is governments. They are the ones who mastermind all these attrocities. The soldiers who do them are just the poor slobs indoctrinated into it."--Lord T Hawkeye (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bboqH5u6bo), in the comments, obviously.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 17, 2010, 02:13:47 PM
Here's a tidbit that's more or less the basis of most, if not all governments these days, if not eternally:

"Money talks, bullshit walks."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 17, 2010, 03:34:12 PM
"It is even more astounding that the pencil was ever produced. No one sitting in a central office gave orders to these thousands of people. No military police enforced the orders that were not given. These people live in many lands, speak different languages, practice different religions, may even hate one another—yet none of these differences prevented them from cooperating to produce a pencil. How did it happen? Adam Smith gave us the answer two hundred years ago."--Milton Friedman, afterword of "I, Pencil"

Source:  http://fee.org/library/books/i-pencil-2/
It goes without saying that "I, Pencil" is also a huge win.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 17, 2010, 05:49:51 PM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 22, 2010, 10:37:41 AM
"The Constitution has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist."--Lysander Spooner (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX1Tj9WaO4g)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 23, 2010, 12:10:47 AM
"THE STATE CAN YIFF IN HELL!!!!"--Apptendo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXctmqir8ms) in the comment section
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 23, 2010, 12:11:33 AM
This (http://www.shanekillian.com/blog/index.php?/archives/134-Opposing-more-speech-suppression-in-the-name-of-copyrights.html) is an epic win quote.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2010, 07:43:10 PM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 29, 2010, 06:57:13 AM
A couple good ones from my namesake:

"A man is what he is, Bob, and there's no breaking the mold. I tried that and I've lost."

"A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that."

From Jack Schaefer's Novel "Shane," spoken by the titular character.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 29, 2010, 10:53:08 AM
One by my friend Wraith

Wraithkun 7:48 am
(7:48:21 AM):     Oy, spoony can't get legit acting jobs because the talent agencies say he doesn't have enough experience.
(7:48:49 AM):     woo, hollywood, you wonder why you're pissing away into obsolescence, it's because you set up a dynasty and you're full of shit.
Lord T Hawkeye 7:48 am
(7:48:56 AM):     indeed
(7:49:04 AM):     like to pretend the internet doesn't exist
(7:50:05 AM):     This is the REAL reason why they keep trying to censor the net.  It's not because piracy is killing them because it isn't
Lord T Hawkeye 7:50 am
(7:50:26 AM):     It's because the internet lets amateurs compete on an even level with the established and that pisses them off
Wraithkun 7:50 am
(7:50:39 AM):     People being able to make enjoyable content is killing them XD
Lord T Hawkeye 7:51 am
(7:51:06 AM):     yeah, someone making music in his basement is equal to the big name bands on the net
Wraithkun 7:51 am
(7:51:31 AM):     hollywood wishes that it were the 1900s again and they could charge people to watch a five-second video of a guy doing a backflip.
Wraithkun 7:52 am
(7:52:34 AM):     and the reviews say "Like magic, the picture-man moves!"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 29, 2010, 08:06:25 PM

Glad to hear more of the Libertarians and Anti-Statists talk about this. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 29, 2010, 09:07:23 PM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 29, 2010, 09:07:51 PM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 30, 2010, 10:20:14 PM
Statists: Like zombies without an interest in brains.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 01, 2010, 06:47:02 AM
Statists: Like zombies without an interest in brains.
It's certainly more intelligent than most conversations I have with statists...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 02, 2010, 02:27:59 AM
"I'm also glad that Shane showed me this:  http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=libertarian
Showing that, sorry, "libertarian" was NOT originally used to mean "anarcho socialist", despite what the idiots like Chomsky will tell you.
A search also reveals the term "tea party" where it mentions the ones "beginning in 2009" http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=libertarian
which they would call conservative to try to discredit the source.  Which is ironic because they never seem to provide any sources for the original use of the term themselves.
And because it's a red herring.  They were talking about the original meaning of the word, which is clearly unrelated to anarcho-socialism.
Just like the republicans, they like hijacking terms and movements.

Democrat vs Republican = Douche vs Turd"--Me, in AIM with Lord T Hawkeye, slightly revised.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 02, 2010, 02:29:20 AM
"After reading something on Cracked, something occured to me.
Determinism vs Free Will is a false dichotomy.
As demonstrated by Shane's point about quantum mechanics, one COULD still argue that that just means our brains aren't deterministic, but that doesn't prove we "choose" things via free will.
Which is true.
However:
1. No one advocating free will (that I know of) says that we aren't influenced by our environments or past experiences.
2. They're essentially trying to say: "use choice to choose between the freedom-to-choose and non-choice"
Granted, it sounded better when the thoughts first started flowing in a few days ago.
   
So worst case senario, even IF free will isn't proven, determinism is still falsified via quantum mechanics."--Me in the same IM with Lord T Hawkeye.

So question, how does having a probabilistic (quantum mechanical) brain give us free will ("the ability to choose" as it is often defined)?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 02, 2010, 06:24:47 PM
"We have a two-party system: the Silly Party and the Stupid Party." --P.J. O'Rourke

"The hard part is telling which one is which." --Me
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 02, 2010, 07:11:00 PM
We also have the lemon party, but that's neither here nor there.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 02, 2010, 10:27:53 PM
Anyways, back on topic:

As people in science say, "If you can't explain what you're doing to an 8-year old, you're a fraud who doesn't know what he's doing."--can't remember who exactly
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 03, 2010, 01:44:46 PM
From a this thread right here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.236241-Poll-Should-he-still-be-punished

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WINDOWCLEAN2:
He should be given a light punishment, Nothing to severe mind you. Perhaps just an hour or two of Council work or Psychiatric care perhaps.

Psychiatric care?! Are you actually suggesting you send a 13 year old boy going through puberty to a shrink because he looked at girls HIS age?! I guess we should now send teenagers under the age of 18 that had sex to a shrink as well because well fuck me, there's obviously something wrong with them since they disobeyed the law. They're pre-teens. They're going through puberty. Of course they're going to look at naked women. So because this one decided to look at naked girls HIS age he should be punished? By your logic, any 13 year old who thinks of other 13 year olds in a sexual manner is fucking mentally ill. That makes absolutely no sense.

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 03, 2010, 02:38:04 PM
I looked at the thread.
Notice how:
1.  There is no discussion of restitution to any wronged party (hint: there were none; it was a victimless crime), only of punishment.
2.  People are just jabbing on about how, "Well, it's the law, and so he should be punished."  Epic fail.  So was helping the slaves in the USA during early 19th century, and helping the Jews in Germany escape during the holocaust.  Sorry, but the state is NOT the final arbiter of mortality anymore than "god" is.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 03, 2010, 07:04:14 PM
I got a question for the nudity crusaders.

What if a young, female artist draws a self portrait of herself nude?  Are you going to try and stop her?  By force if needed?
If so, explain to me how you're still the good guy here.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 04, 2010, 07:35:24 AM
I got a question for the nudity crusaders.

What if a young, female artist draws a self portrait of herself nude?  Are you going to try and stop her?  By force if needed?
If so, explain to me how you're still the good guy here.

"It's DA LAWL, so she should be punished"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 04, 2010, 09:39:05 AM
By spanking the naughty, naughty girl?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 11, 2010, 06:58:09 AM
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." —Marcus Aurelius (predates Pascal's Wager by 1600 years).
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 11, 2010, 11:01:05 AM
Basicaly the antipode?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 13, 2010, 07:56:49 PM
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." —Marcus Aurelius (predates Pascal's Wager by 1600 years).
Thereby pwning Pascal.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 16, 2010, 09:49:21 AM
"Many leftists falsely believe that governments are somehow better than corporations, not realizing that there's a reason corporations have to enter government to get the guns and protectionism in the first place." --Michael Shanklin
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Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2010, 02:42:40 PM
"This video leaves out what I think is by far the greatest cost of all: the souls and minds of the young.

Ever since the Prussian model was adopted, no significant progress has been made in the process of education. If anything, schools are worse now than they were a hundred years ago. A nation that could once absorb Locke can now barely read at all, and fully one third of all schoolchildren have to be kept drugged, so as not to constitute a physical danger to themselves or others."--PanzerDivisionBOM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzvKyfV3JtE)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 17, 2010, 02:50:08 PM

Finally, some people are waking up to Tf00t's behavior.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 17, 2010, 05:38:13 PM
The creepy part is when Coughland is forced into the role of being a voice of reason in a sea of madness.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 20, 2010, 12:56:45 AM
"But then again, Keynes said alot of things." -my macro teacher. (In a bit of a dismissive tone.)

It may not seem that funny right here, but in context, it was hilarious.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 20, 2010, 09:49:31 AM
http://xkcd.com/808/
And the mouse-over text.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 20, 2010, 02:09:09 PM
(http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/focus-mopatents.png)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 20, 2010, 02:09:33 PM
One of these things is not like the others; one of these things is (intellectually) dead:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4075/4858534409_ed4aae5f18_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 20, 2010, 11:13:19 PM
"Everyone should debate with a post-keynesian at least once, but try to keep it limited to that. It's a very... 'different' perspective." (My macro teacher, trying to be PC)

(After a bit more prodding from other students.) "No, I don't go out and debate with post-keynesians. It's like debating with a conspiracy theorist."

Interesting bit: There were some post-keynesians who predicted the housing bubble as well as the Austrians. Strangely enough, they cited something called Credit Cycle Theory, emphasized by post-keynesians, as the reason for their belief that there was a housing bubble. Guess what the progenitor of Credit Cycle Theory was? It begins with an A and ends with a TBC. =P

And one difference was that they dropped the preceding expansion of credit as a contributing factor in favor of the animal spirits somehow causing a rise in irrational lending. Cuz, you know, saying 'just cuz' is such an appropriate explanation. Might as well claimed it was done by pixies.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 21, 2010, 01:20:58 AM
    "It is about .00001% of the human population that causes 99.99999% of the world's problems.  And that tiny percent, it's not the world jewish banking conspiracy, it's not the asylum seekers, it's not the secret homosexual conspiracy running hollywood, it's not even the scientologists.  It's the leaders.  What we need is an administration at most.  We don't need people to boss us about." - Alan Moore

Don't know the guy well but I like him already upon hearing that quote.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 21, 2010, 12:59:35 PM
"The Living-constitution preamble: We the Oligarchy of the US, in Order to form a more perfect central government, establish only criminal Justice, insure controlling Tranquility, provide for the common redistribution, promote social Welfare, and secure Liberty to the Oligarchy and their Posterity, do establish this erratic unpublished constitution for the US." --YouTube user Mike10four, on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7qF0t_2xms)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 21, 2010, 01:17:20 PM
Don't forget the part right after that: "As for the people, they are on the road to serfdom."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 21, 2010, 07:24:08 PM
Damn it, TJ was this close ->||<- to directly stating that private property is a way to conserve and protect the environment.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 02, 2010, 11:56:15 AM
"Keynes is like the Chicago Cubs of Economics. In both cases, repeated failure has been rewarded with undying fanatical devotion." --Tim Slagle (in a Facebook comment)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 03, 2010, 11:01:28 AM
I was going to post this yesterday, but I figure now's as good a time as any other:

http://anarchyinyourhead.com/uploads/anti_vote_brochure_vers2.pdf
This is made of epic win.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 03, 2010, 05:34:57 PM
"2 + 2 = a pink unicorn.

That's all they [statists] are arguing to begin with. 'The state' is a drop in replacement for god, as you have pointed out before. God can do anything, the state can do anything, laws of economics do not apply in the minds of statists. They will ride the titanic to the ocean floor."--Individualism101, highest rated comment on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF58InCvAAA)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on November 05, 2010, 09:54:46 AM
Pretty good except for the area near the end when he starts talking about the politics of it; e.g. conflating corporations with business in general.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 05, 2010, 11:20:19 AM
Yeah, there seems to be a real cognitive dissonance with him of late.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 07, 2010, 11:11:37 AM
"You fool, don't you know Jesus was really Lucifer in disguise? It says so in this book I read from a long time ago that says it is 100% true, so it CAN'T be a lie. Jesus was really the devil, and he actually raped and pillaged his way through Israel. Then Optimus Prime, True King of the Jews, ate his head and tea-bagged his corpse. This event was recorded in this book by Fidel Castro's talking burro. If you don't believe it you're going to Richard Simmons' walk-in closet for all eternity."--338dmac on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym--wS7xUsk)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 09, 2010, 08:48:28 PM
From the fail quotes thread: http://whatinthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/
Definitely a win, in my honest opinion.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 09, 2010, 09:15:38 PM
"History is the lie commonly agreed upon."--Voltaire
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 10, 2010, 06:32:32 AM
"None are more helplessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." --Goethe
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 10, 2010, 06:33:22 AM
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." --Gandhi
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on November 10, 2010, 08:22:13 AM
Was that quote from in between his racist rantings?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 10, 2010, 11:37:42 AM
@Gumba Masta: You got that from cracked.com didn't you? :P

Made of win:
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Post by: Gumba Masta on November 10, 2010, 11:44:09 AM
Actually it was Bullshit.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 10, 2010, 01:14:10 PM
A very underrated article from the Mises Institute:
The Fallacy of Intellectual Property by Daniel Krawisz (http://mises.org/daily/3631)

Two related (much shorter, and very awesome) articles by Dale Everett:
Guest Comic by The Muslim Agorist (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2010/07/16/guest-comic-by-the-muslim-anarchist/)
The Trouble With Selling Tribbles (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2010/10/07/the-trouble-with-selling-tribbles/)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 12, 2010, 12:44:34 PM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on November 14, 2010, 10:35:48 PM
Ludwig von Mises: "Freedom in society means that a man depends as much upon other people as other people depend on him." - Economic Policy

Ludwig von Mises: "Under capitalism, material success depends on the appreciation of a mans achievements on the part of the sovereign consumers. In this regard there is no difference between the services rendered by a manufacturer and those rendered by a producer, an actor or a playwright." - The Anti-Capitalistic Mentality, pg. 31
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 16, 2010, 07:28:36 PM
"It is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read in my entire life. And I have read the Bible and Atlas Shrugged." --ERV (http://endogenousretrovirus.blogspot.com/2008/04/premise-lawsuits-toddler-animations-and.html)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 17, 2010, 01:29:37 PM
"It is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read in my entire life. And I have read the Bible and Atlas Shrugged." --ERV (http://endogenousretrovirus.blogspot.com/2008/04/premise-lawsuits-toddler-animations-and.html)
Referring to the new version of Expelled?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 17, 2010, 03:48:13 PM
Referring to the new version of Expelled?

Referring to this court brief the Expelled producers made to show that it wasn't plagiarism to blatantly rip off someone else's work and pretend it's your own.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 17, 2010, 08:05:37 PM

The State:  Because nothing says "We Care for you./We Love you." quite like a gun to someone else's head.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 17, 2010, 08:19:57 PM
"To those with a continued religious faith in the state, I say the authoritarian but also benevolent government you want is a paradox. It does not exist and cannot be created no matter how badly you desire it. Just as atheism is only a solution to futile mysticism, anarchy is only a solution to one problem, but one which is quite pervasive– the irrational belief that an organization which is inherently criminal can also be benevolent. Anarchy is not an answer in itself. It’s simply a rejection of the false answer." - Dale Everett
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on November 18, 2010, 01:04:04 AM

The State:  Because nothing says "We Care for you./We Love you." quite like a gun to someone else's head.
Milk?
Seriously... that is seriously fucked up. I mean what's next? Goverment banning food in general because you can choke on it if it's inpropperly chewed and you swallow to fast?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 18, 2010, 03:21:14 PM
More epic win by Stargazer5871:

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Post by: Travis Retriever on November 18, 2010, 07:13:12 PM
"Looking back, I had tendencies towards anarcho-capitalism even back in high school.  I resented being herded around day in and day out from start to finish and I still resent all those years lost today.  I was bullied too for the unforgivable crime of being different and I resented them for making it possible for it to happen.
Grab your freedom with both hands kids and don't let anyone get their filthy hands on it.  It is yours and yours alone."--Lord T Hawkeye in an AIM convo with me.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 19, 2010, 08:07:59 PM
This was originally an off-hand snarky comment of mine, but thinking back on it I'm actually kind of proud of it:

"A liberal is a generous person. A libertarian is a generous person who understands the concept of opportunity costs." --Me, in the comments of this video (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=QVPu-jyWvQY)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 20, 2010, 02:03:47 AM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on November 20, 2010, 11:53:10 AM
Stargazer5781: "Statism is all well and good until you realize that people in the state are human too. If your claim is that people need to be ordered around and controlled, who will order around and control the people in the state? Statism necessitates the existence of gods and only made sense back when people thought the heads of state were gods. When you realize gods don't exist, all arguments for a state self-detonate.

P.S. Look up psychological projection on wikipedia."--One of the highest rated comments on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wEZwfw1Z1I)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 20, 2010, 01:36:28 PM
Ludwig von Mises: "No proletarian contributed anything to the construction of antiliberal teachings. At the root of the genealogical tree of modern socialism we meet the name of the depraved scion of one of the most eminent aristocratic families of royal France." - Omnipotent Government

Ludwig von Mises: "New experience can force us to discard or modify inferences we have drawn from previous experience." - Epistemological Problems of Economics
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 21, 2010, 12:56:02 AM
My apologies to Shane and the other minarchists in advance for this:

"Minarchists, I love you like I love a pet that just won’t potty-train. I know you’re trying your darnedest, but it sure is frustrating. I’m going to keep making fun of you, but just remember that it’s playful ribbing from a friend; an incredibly condescending and tactless friend, but a friend nonetheless."--Dale Everett, Anarchists & Minarchists & Socialists, oh, my! (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2009/06/30/anarchists-minarchists-socialists-oh-my/)

The article linked is also a win quote.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 21, 2010, 01:47:12 AM
"According to the labor theory of value, the workers could have gone to a vacant lot, and produced the same amount of wealth by replicating the same physical actions they undertook working for the greedy capitalist, this time without a building and without any equipment, management, customers or business plan. If we take away the greedy capitalist, these little details must go as well. Just think of Marcel Marceau pretending to work. That's right. You syndicalists pretend to work and we capitalists will pretend to pay you."--James Ostrowski (http://mises.org/article.aspx?Id=1132)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 21, 2010, 09:29:14 AM
I'm shameless plugging again but oh well...

One can never conclude rationally that the government is righteous for the simple reason that the government does not abide by it's own stated moral principles. You can practice what you preach and be wrong but you can never not practice what you preach and be right. - Me
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Post by: Travis Retriever on November 21, 2010, 10:41:47 AM
I'm shameless plugging again but oh well...

One can never conclude rationally that the government is righteous for the simple reason that the government does not abide by it's own stated moral principles. You can practice what you preach and be wrong but you can never not practice what you preach and be right. - Me
As Stefan said, if using violence to achieve what is considered virtue is moral, then the state is still immoral for preventing us from doing what it does.
If using violence to achieve what is considered virtue is immoral, then the state is obviously immoral.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 22, 2010, 02:15:22 PM
"I am convinced that there are more threats to American liberty within the 10 mile radius of my office on Capitol Hill than there are on the rest of the globe." - Ron Paul
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 22, 2010, 03:50:58 PM
"I am convinced that there are more threats to American liberty within the 10 mile radius of my office on Capitol Hill than there are on the rest of the globe." - Ron Paul

Posts like this make me wish they had the thumbs-up mod for SMF ready. Until then, have some more anti-bogons!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2010, 06:32:13 PM
the thumbs-up mod for SMF
What's that?

Until then, have some more anti-bogons!
Thanks!  :D
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2010, 06:33:22 PM
"How about we tell all the old people to go fuck off like the dirty parasites they are and stop their legalized theft of younger people's income. I don't care if they have 'paid into the system,' I don't owe them shit."--FlowCell's comment on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70lkobYY0Hc)

Posted more for the middle and last parts.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 23, 2010, 06:45:41 PM
What's that?

Exactly what it says: lets you thumb up or down an individual post.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2010, 06:46:47 PM
In my defense, I didn't know what SMF stood for. :P
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 23, 2010, 07:16:34 PM
Look at the bottom of the page...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2010, 07:49:48 PM
Look at the bottom of the page...
lol, my bad.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2010, 07:57:12 PM
"I will not settle for a compromise between freedom and statism [such as minarchy] for the same reason I will not settle for a compromise between rape and lovemaking."--Lord T Hawkeye, with the []'ed bit by me.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2010, 11:49:51 PM
"You can't waste your vote unless you vote."--Penn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_MDhtwqEJA)

The video is also a fav quote.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 25, 2010, 06:43:50 PM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 25, 2010, 09:21:15 PM
"If you hate America so much, why don't you go to your libertarian paradise in SOMALIA!!! England is much better than Somalia, and it's because of and only because of their [Somalia’s] current lack of a state and it has nothing to do with decades of fascist and later communist dictatorships or the current invasions from the UN and Muslims.

STATE = CIVILIZATION!!! My MACHO states will destroy your FEMININE anarchy! REAL WORLD!!! YEEEARRGH!!"--Fringeelements in this video's comment section (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoX1HCxxMJo)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 25, 2010, 09:25:14 PM
"You don't have to like something to acknowledge its legality."--xxxThePeachxxx in this video @0:55 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDDCapfnxDA)
The video and its sequel were also fav quotes.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 25, 2010, 10:24:19 PM
"You don't have to like something to acknowledge its legality."--xxxThePeachxxx in this video @0:55 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDDCapfnxDA)
The video and the one it is a sequel to were also fail quotes.

Why were they fail quotes? I thought both videos were right on!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 25, 2010, 10:46:41 PM
Why were they fail quotes? I thought both videos were right on!

I MEANT to type "fav" quotes not "fail" quotes.
Blah, I'm tired.
It's been fixed.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on November 26, 2010, 02:15:53 AM
Don't you mean prequel?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 26, 2010, 08:10:22 PM
"Economic realities can be a real bitch."--Me
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 27, 2010, 05:04:50 PM
http://mises.org/daily/3737 ("A Free-Market Guide to Healthcare")
Nice article.
It's a compilation of a large number of articles and other media about the free market approach to health care.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 28, 2010, 01:34:20 PM
Ludwig von Mises: "The characteristic mark of this age of dictators, wars and revolutions is its anticapitalistic bias. Most governments and political parties are eager to restrict the sphere of private initiative and free enterprise." - Planned Chaos
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 29, 2010, 12:38:21 PM
My apologies in advance if I have already posted these, however, both videos are Fav Quotes:


Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 29, 2010, 10:39:29 PM
I'm starting to really like xxxThePeachxxx's videos. :)

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 29, 2010, 11:08:57 PM
"Let's get some UPB up this this bitch!"--What Stefan WOULD say if he was also a Juggalo.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 29, 2010, 11:17:27 PM
If I haven't shown this already:

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 01, 2010, 10:19:39 AM
If I haven't already posted this:
Outstanding video. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on December 01, 2010, 05:06:21 PM
"Ahh Real Captain Olimar. I remember him well.
He was a man in full control of his faculties as he hung them out to dry in the rain."

Gumba Masta, with another good one. He's on a bit of a roll this week, it seems. =P
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 01, 2010, 06:49:17 PM
I really was the only person (besides Gumba Masta) who liked RCO, was I?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on December 01, 2010, 11:39:17 PM
I really was the only person (besides Gumba Masta) who liked RCO, was I?

*shudders* Coming back... coming back... coming baaack....
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 01, 2010, 11:40:34 PM
*shudders* Coming back... coming back... coming baaack....

REAL CAPTAIN OLIMAR!
IF YOU'RE READING THIS COME BACK!!! I MISS YOU!
VIRGIL0211 IS LYING! HE MISSES YOU TOO!
WE ALL MISS YOU!!!!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on December 01, 2010, 11:55:19 PM
REAL CAPTAIN OLIMAR!
IF YOU'RE READING THIS COME BACK!!! I MISS YOU!
VIRGIL0211 IS LYING! HE MISSES YOU TOO!

:P

YOU WILL NOT BRING HIM BACK!!! YOU SHALL NOT!!!
DU WERDEST EINE KRAKENSCWESTER BRACHEN!!
ICH WERDE SICH TOETEN!!!!
NI3 BU2 SHI4 DONG1 XI5!!!!
KUTABARE!!!
BAKA ITTENAI-YO!!!
OBOETERO-YO!!!

Um... yeah... I'm not lying.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 02, 2010, 02:14:16 AM
Maybe he'll come back if you say his name three times while looking into a mirror?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 02, 2010, 09:30:54 PM
"Time Cube's Law: The probability of an author being a crackpot is directly proportional to the length of their webpage."--Guncriminal

The source is @5:20 in this video -
 
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 02, 2010, 11:28:49 PM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 03, 2010, 11:28:15 PM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 04, 2010, 01:54:58 PM
"It seems to me that the entire modus operandi of politics is the oversimplification of problems and the overcomplication of solutions." --Me again. I do have my moments...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 04, 2010, 02:39:23 PM
"Que Sera, Sera (Whatever Will Be, Will Be)."--Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Que_Sera,_Sera_%28Whatever_Will_Be,_Will_Be%29)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 04, 2010, 08:02:33 PM
EDIT:  A note to Shane - the following are only talking about minarchists who believe in monopoly governments (like eagleeye1975 on youtube).  The following DO NOT apply to you, so ignore them.

If you don't feel like watching the video, this image sums it up quite nicely:

(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9334/36385547.png)

Explanation:
"Negative rights
If I take your stuff, I'm invoking that I have more rights than you. That you do not have the right to the stuff but that I do. Negative rights rejects this. It is egalitarian regarding actions. If something is bad for one (to do), it is bad for all.

Positive rights
I have a right to something. Society owes me. This implies that there is a right to supply this, and also a right to take from others to supply this. Implied is also that it is the state that can take and supply this. If everybody has a right to things and has the right to decide what, and has the right to take it, then you're at pure chaos and might makes right. Suggesting universality to people who believe in positive rights, namely that if it's good to coercively provide X then it should be good for anyone to coercively provide X, is usually quickly rejected. They don't reject the proposition that it's good to coercively provide X but that it should be good for anyone. So they believe in public law different from private law. If I steal from my neighbor and give it to my parents it's theft. If a police man steals from my neighbor and gives it to my parents then it's social welfare."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 05, 2010, 11:28:47 PM
"GW [Global Warming] is real, AGW [Anthropogenic Global Warming] is only 90% likely,

AGW Apocalypse is religion."--KerryOakley (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?threaded=1&all_comments=1&v=YWFbjBwEGfM)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 06, 2010, 12:29:17 AM
Scroll to 5:15 to see the Win Quote.  ;D
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 06, 2010, 12:32:16 AM
Another satirical masterpiece by Morrakiu.  :D
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 07, 2010, 06:18:02 PM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 09, 2010, 10:10:46 AM
I swear, at least half of what comes out of Stargazer5781's mouth is epic win.
From the following video's comment section:

"Pretty much why I asked the questions at the end the way I did. If you spend more than 60 seconds trying to answer them you realize how much of a non-solution the state is (though I'd be EXTREMELY impressed if someone actually gave coherent answers). The state and God make the same fallacies, might as well use the same methods against them."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 10, 2010, 03:10:57 PM
"Democracy is a barbaric, inherently unsustainable political system resting on the pernicious fundamental illusion that the rubes and yahoos - universally acknowledged by the precious few capable of serious, sustained thought to be incapable of mental development very far beyond the age of ten - can somehow, despite their individual asininity, ascend to the zenith of wisdom when only they aggregate into a single mass. The people will only elect those like them: short-sighted fools."--IvanTheHeathen on this video's comment section (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl424cDABjw)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 10, 2010, 03:11:39 PM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2010, 12:22:46 AM
Quote from: Textra1
@Soulfree2008 It's so cute that you think that a government of the people, for the people will lead to a non-coercive state, but America is an example of the failure of that principle. It's time to stop creating lords for ourselves and grow up. Dependence on the state is created by the state, so that people can argue that we need the state. The state is a crutch and it's time we moved on from it.
Source (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?threaded=1&all_comments=1&v=itoBorvUIx0)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2010, 12:53:47 AM
This made me think of Shane.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 11, 2010, 05:40:46 PM
Something surhot just posted in Fail Quotes reminded me of this:

Quote from: "So Long and Thanks for All the Fish" by Douglas Adams
"I come in peace," [the giant robot whose spaceship has just landed and caused lots of damage] said, adding after a long moment of further grinding, "take me to your Lizard."

Ford Prefect, of course, had an explanation for this, as he sat with Arthur and watched the nonstop frenetic news reports on television, none of which had anything to say other than to record that the thing had done this amount of damage which was valued at that amount of billions of pounds and had killed this totally other number of people, and then say it again, because the robot was doing nothing more than standing there, swaying very slightly, and emitting short incomprehensible error messages.

"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."

"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"

"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."

"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."

"I did," said ford. "It is."

"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"

"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."

"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"

"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."

"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"

"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 11, 2010, 05:44:55 PM
See, the lizards do rule the world.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2010, 03:54:15 PM
I didn't even know America had these many presidents.
But if you ask me I would choose Madison both as best and worst.
He had the gall to both go to war with Canada and loose it.
I bet it's because of video games. I heard he was an avid Fan of the Fallout series.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 12, 2010, 03:56:30 PM
For my recent string of fav quotes I'd like to thank a very special person.
Say about Kent Hovind what you want, but he teached me how far you can get with a livid disregard for reality and a absence of sanity.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 12, 2010, 04:09:24 PM
For my recent string of fav quotes I'd like to thank a very special person.
Say about Kent Hovind what you want, but he teached me how far you can get with a livid disregard for reality and a absence of sanity.

I think the big difference is, you're doing it on purpose.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 12, 2010, 05:20:59 PM
For my recent string of fav quotes I'd like to thank a very special person.
Say about Kent Hovind what you want, but he teached me how far you can get with a livid disregard for reality and a absence of sanity.

No more bogons for you.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2010, 05:40:02 PM
"I've got over 9000 wieners and I know right where to stick them."--Me, inspired by Encyclopedia Dramatica's article, "Gee Bill".
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 12, 2010, 06:10:02 PM
I think the big difference is, you're doing it on purpose.
I allegedly do it on purpose
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2010, 07:11:27 PM
Ludwig von Mises: "It is a poor makeshift to call any age an age of transition. In the living world there is always change. Every age is an age of transition." - Human Action
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 14, 2010, 06:32:31 PM
"To admit [the creationist] view is, as it seems to me, to reject a real for an unreal, or at least for an unknown cause. It makes the works of God a mere mockery and deception; I would almost as soon believe with the old and ignorant cosmogonists, that fossil shells had never lived, but had been created in stone so as to mock the shells now living on the sea-shore." --Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 17, 2010, 12:15:57 AM
"Third, the world did not begin on September 11. Our 104-year-old [this was written in 2002] policy of global intervention has made many enemies. What is happening now is a textbook example of how government grows. Government intervenes into some aspect of life, domestic or foreign, where it doesn't belong. It screws it up good, creates problems that would not otherwise exist, and then uses its powerful propaganda machine to disguise the true cause of the problem and convince people that even more government action is required. To paraphrase Ludwig von Mises, government creates its own demand."--James Ostrowski (http://mises.org/daily/895)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 17, 2010, 03:46:11 AM
Made of win.
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 17, 2010, 06:42:12 AM
Script and commentary for the above play:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/mozart.html
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 19, 2010, 03:28:32 PM
I didn't do everything I wanted to do,
I didn't become everything I wanted to be,
But because I aimed for the stars,
I reached the top of the world.

--Harry Browne's self-written epitaph
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 19, 2010, 03:58:36 PM
Script and commentary for the above play:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/mozart.html
I meant to post that myself.
Thanks, Shane. :)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 20, 2010, 09:19:05 PM
A good one from ladyattis.


So true.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 20, 2010, 09:31:09 PM
From the comments of this video:

The win is in blue.

GarlicPudding: "'I bet the insurance companies love that.'
Yeah, just like the car insurance companies loved it when some states passed a law that requires you to be insured when you own a car.
And yet, I haven't seen anyone get angry about that...."

Morrakiu: "@GarlicPudding
I think both should be opposed. You won't find as many republicans in opposition to car insurance mandates as you'll find in opposition to health insurance mandates. A lot of the opposition is just partisan bullshit. Mitt Romney instituted a plan similar to Obama's in Massachusetts, but the republicans love him. I wish these twats would just pick a coherent set of principles, actually stick with them, and stop the 'red team vs. blue team' crap."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 21, 2010, 12:08:55 PM
"The worst thing climate science did, was to let people like Gore, Laurie David, and RFK Jr. run around for five years in the mid '00s, telling everybody that the current weather was PROOF of Climate Change. Now that the weather has turned, so has public sentiment; not only against global warming, but the whole of climate science. Their lackadaisical attitude towards alarmism only served to diminish science in general." --Tim Slagle (in a recent Facebook post)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 21, 2010, 12:21:08 PM
"The worst thing climate science did, was to let people like Gore, Laurie David, and RFK Jr. run around for five years in the mid '00s, telling everybody that the current weather was PROOF of Climate Change. Now that the weather has turned, so has public sentiment; not only against global warming, but the whole of climate science. Their lackadaisical attitude towards alarmism only served to diminish science in general." --Tim Slagle (in a recent Facebook post)
I'm starting to like this Tim Slagle guy.
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Post by: Gumba Masta on December 21, 2010, 12:28:34 PM
Speaking of "Lackadaisy" (http://lackadaisy.foxprints.com/)
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Post by: Gumba Masta on December 22, 2010, 10:26:07 AM
This is from the Chopping Block on December the eight.
http://choppingblock.keenspot.com/d/20101208.html
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 22, 2010, 11:18:40 AM
I'm starting to like this Tim Slagle guy.
The more I learn, the more I'm also convinced that idiots like Al Gore are the Kent Hovinds of Climate Science.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 22, 2010, 08:50:33 PM

Now all he needs to do is extend this to economic freedoms, and he'll be a libertarian again.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 22, 2010, 11:09:35 PM

Unbelievable.
(To the tune of Charlie's Grampa's song on Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory -- The original, not the new version):
I never thought I'd see the day, when I'd hear Pat Robertson come and say,
"We need to, legalize pot."
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Post by: Virgil0211 on December 23, 2010, 12:13:30 PM

Unbelievable.
(To the tune of Charlie's Grampa's song on Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory -- The original, not the new version):
I never thought I'd see the day, when I'd hear Pat Robertson come and say,
"We need to, legalize pot."

I have no words...

O.O
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 23, 2010, 01:22:15 PM
Maybe.....it is dangerous after all?
Or is it just because you can only believe in Jesus when you're high?
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 23, 2010, 02:58:16 PM
Anyone else remember when Nixon went to China?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 23, 2010, 03:12:07 PM
Anyone else remember when Nixon went to China?

No.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 23, 2010, 03:13:37 PM
I do... I just don't remember what it was that he did there... if anything.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 23, 2010, 04:54:46 PM
It was the fact that he WENT there. Lots of pansy-ass, bedwetting, pinko liberals wanted us to open relations with China. But when the all-American, über-Patriotic, drug-and-Vietnam-war-waging commie-hater Nixon did it, people started coming around and realizing that it might be time to actually listen to some other human beings besides themselves.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 23, 2010, 04:59:40 PM
Too bad that for china freedom still seems to be just that funny word those foreigners use.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 23, 2010, 07:01:16 PM

Another classic by Stefan. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 23, 2010, 07:13:49 PM
Oh hey, Minecraft refference. Did you get it too?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 24, 2010, 02:57:12 PM

Another awesome video by DarkMatter2525. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 25, 2010, 02:21:58 AM
NSFW:  http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/b1e50c566e/further-proof-that-god-created-us
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AHPMB on December 25, 2010, 10:35:13 AM
It was the fact that he WENT there. Lots of pansy-ass, bedwetting, pinko liberals wanted us to open relations with China. But when the all-American, über-Patriotic, drug-and-Vietnam-war-waging commie-hater Nixon did it, people started coming around and realizing that it might be time to actually listen to some other human beings besides themselves.

Nixon was, in many ways the last liberal President.  He talked like a hard-line war hawk, but this is the guy that ended Vietnam, created the EPA, reaffirmed Affirmative Action, got the ERA through Congress, and reaffirmed many of the Great Society programs.

I always say, Nixon was our last liberal president, Clinton is the last conservative one.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 25, 2010, 11:49:04 AM
They were all statist presidents.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 25, 2010, 12:04:23 PM

I see people everywhere, including liberty lovers like AHPMB, making this error.
In reality, we are not the state.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 25, 2010, 12:18:23 PM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 25, 2010, 12:19:47 PM


As I posted on the latter video:

I like RJWeapon's point about the military.  As a friend of mine (Shane) once said, "Duress is NOT consent".
And knowing the statists, especially from the UK, Denmark, etc, they'll just say crap like, "well they listen to the people in MY country; yer just doin' it rong!"
As for the point about the military, if the person signed up for it voluntarily, then they have no sympathy from me.  If they were drafted (under threat of violence) and forced to kill people, can you say I "consented" to it or was responsible for it when I didn't have a say in the matter?
In which case I would fail to see how I would be responsible if I didn't have any damn choice in the first place.
One could argue, "I had a choice; do it or die" but that's just utter crap.
By that "logic" every single anarchist is responsible for war crimes because he "paid" for them via taxes and inflation.

RJWeapon's analogy of an opinion poll is more accurate than many would think.
In essence, that's what voting is--an opinion poll.
Elections in the USA are decided by the Electoral College, not by the voters themselves, even if there is a conflict between the two; the Electoral College trumps the voters.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 25, 2010, 01:00:11 PM
In the first episode of Death Note, after Light Yagami tells Ryuk that he wants to use the death note to purge the world of evil people, of criminals and of wrongdoers; that he aims to create a world of people who are kind and hard-working.

In response to this, Ryuk gives what is perhaps the most insightful and most liberty leaning quote in the entire anime:
"If you do that, then the only evil person left would be you."--Ryuk, Death Note: Episode One "Rebirth"

Source (Scroll to 10:00): 
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 25, 2010, 08:40:41 PM

More epic win by Michael Shanklin. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 25, 2010, 08:54:53 PM
Mike Shanklin is full of win.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 26, 2010, 01:46:15 AM
True dat.

This is one of the videos that inspired me to start this thread. (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=492.0)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 26, 2010, 01:54:14 AM
I fucking love these things. ;D
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 28, 2010, 08:55:11 AM
"Courage begins with a commitment to see things as they are, rather than how we wish they were." --Ron Paul (source (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdafLIQfWlY))
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 28, 2010, 02:29:40 PM
"Countries don't go to war because of the differences of their people but out of the similiarities of their leaders"
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 28, 2010, 03:08:44 PM
"Countries don't go to war because of the differences of their people but out of the similiarities of their leaders"

Like!

Who said it?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 28, 2010, 03:22:23 PM
I wont tell you!
If you'd knew I had said that my bogometer would plumet.
Ooops. @_@
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 28, 2010, 03:27:10 PM
I wont tell you!
If you'd knew I had said that my bogometer would plumet.
Ooops. @_@

I gave you a cluon (antibogon) just for posting it.
I tried to give you another for saying you thought of that, but it said I cannot repeat a karma action within an hour. :P
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 28, 2010, 03:36:15 PM
Would you give me a Bogon if I told I first came up with that bit on the philosphy discussion board of a Furry RP Forum?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 28, 2010, 03:56:26 PM
Would you give me a Bogon if I told I first came up with that bit on the philosphy discussion board of a Furry RP Forum?
No, because that would be the karma equivalent of a genetic fallacy. :P
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 28, 2010, 04:34:31 PM
Even your greatest donor has abandoned you, Gumba. Your bogon gaining days are OVER!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 28, 2010, 04:42:34 PM
 Nooooooooooo! (http://"http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/")
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 28, 2010, 06:25:46 PM
I gave you a cluon (antibogon) just for posting it.
I tried to give you another for saying you thought of that, but it said I cannot repeat a karma action within an hour. :P
That's okay; I just did it for you!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 29, 2010, 12:30:07 PM
"A library is a much more sacred building than a church." --Kurdy, Jeremiah: "Out of the Ashes"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2010, 02:44:27 AM
"If you can read this I'm not impressed.  Most people can read."--a picture of a bumper stick
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2010, 12:07:53 PM

As stated in Fail Quotes, the above video is win.
I think Tim Slagle is very underrated.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 31, 2010, 12:40:37 PM
I dunno. I mean I agree that Al Gore should be gored for his idiocy. But it's not really science's fault that media likes to take a scientist's statment, pick out a part and come up with big ass scary headlines from it and omiting all the rest he said.. Or is it?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2010, 12:41:53 PM
I mean I agree that Al Gore should be gored for his idiocy. But it's not really science's fault that media likes to take a scientist's statement, pick out a part and come up with big ass scary headlines from it and omitting all the rest he said.. Or is it?
Made of win.  Indeed.
You just earned yourself another anti-bogon for that one. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 31, 2010, 01:23:09 PM
Wasn't he in positive numbers only last week? Is this the fastest someone's gotten below -20 on the bogometer?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 31, 2010, 01:24:16 PM
I'm the ocean. I'm the wind. I'mma friggin force-a-nature. Nobody get's me, baby.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2010, 01:31:11 PM
Wasn't he in positive numbers only last week? Is this the fastest someone's gotten below -20 on the bogometer?
That's correct.  And yes, it is, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 31, 2010, 01:52:35 PM
Oh, I'm not worrying, I'll find a way to get my bogons back.
And then I'll use my stupidy engine to power a robot army... TO TAKE OVER, THE WORLD!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 31, 2010, 02:21:49 PM
I don't even want to THINK about what would happen to a bogon-powered engine when it's turned on...I just don't want to be within 20 miles of it!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2010, 04:04:09 PM
I don't even want to THINK about what would happen to a bogon-powered engine when it's turned on...I just don't want to be within 20 miles of it!
But what about a cluon powered engine?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 01, 2011, 12:34:04 PM
"The statist 'intellectuals' that represent themselves as logical, scientifically-minded people really annoy the heck out of me. They'll act perfectly rational until someone tries to make an argument against statism, and then suddenly they start babbling as incoherently as a Creationist, blissfully unaware of how ignorant they sound. When thunderf00t started delving into economic topics, I couldn't take it. I had to unsubscribe. The worst part is he's passing his ignorance on to his subscribers."--787Bisurdaddy, from the comment section of this video: 
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 01, 2011, 07:48:04 PM

There are actually people who think silver's, and possibly gold's, price is going up is because it's in a bubble?
There are people who actually believe that?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 01, 2011, 09:02:35 PM
How come other metals like neodymium are going up, too? Is there a neodymium bubble as well?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 01, 2011, 09:07:10 PM
There are actually people who think silver's, and possibly gold's, price is going up is because it's in a bubble?
There are people who actually believe that?

It's actually wrong at 1:46. You can take out a loan to buy anything.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 01, 2011, 09:52:36 PM
How come other metals like neodymium are going up, too? Is there a neodymium bubble as well?
along with gold, platinum and palladium, to name a few.

It's actually wrong at 1:46. You can take out a loan to buy anything.
Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that was a bit weird when he mentioned that.  Also, the use of anecdotes was lacking in rigor, but otherwise, I liked it. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 01, 2011, 10:02:50 PM
along with gold, platinum and palladium, to name a few.

Yes, but neodymium isn't traded as a precious metal, so it's a great metric for comparison.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 01, 2011, 10:52:33 PM
And styrofoam?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 02, 2011, 12:05:45 PM
Usualy I'm at odds with Lee Doran aka How the World Works.
But in this one video I found myself agreeing with every single word spoken

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 03, 2011, 01:53:52 AM
This one will require a bit of context.
In this video by Thunderf00t: 
TF shows Alex Jones in one of his crazy rants.
To which Shane continues with, "0:40 - YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE SCREAMING SO LOUD THAT YOU CLIP THE VOLUME LEVELS IN YOUR MICROPHONE UNTIL IT SOUNDS LIKE COMPLETE SHIT EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A PROFESSIONAL RADIO HOST? HUH? YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE???"

And another guy, KyleKJune, "YOU KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE SCHIZOPHRENIC"

And another one, daemonowner, "You know what its like to be the most paranoid Schizophrenic on earth!?!?!?!"

To which I would continue that bit with, "YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE BEING THE MOST PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENIC ON EARTH!!!!!!!!? HUH? YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE???"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 03, 2011, 05:20:36 PM
"Mr1001Bolsheviks blocked me for telling him that Francisco Franco was less authoritarian than the Spanish anarchists during the Spanish Civil War so I can't inform him that this video exists but if he is made aware of it, he would be pissed that one of his perceived comrades would betray him."--RaymondDundas' description in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34YxvgkzN-Y)

"I piss on the graves of the anarchists who died in the prisons of Franco. Franco did a good thing killing them. Spain was incredibly lucky the nationalists won. As a result, Spain was an economically stagnant shitty third-way economy instead of a communist megadeath nightmare. The communists would have killed more, evidence is found wherever they won.

Life experience! Because extrapolating the .05% of the world you've seen is the best way to construct an unprecedented economic organization!"--Fringeelements; highest rated comment on the above video

"@MarmaladeINFP Failed [post hoc] assumption addressed in the video that honesty is for 'shits and giggles' whatever the flying fuck that means. I go over the disposition for honesty as a utilitarian conquest in assuming that there is any utility in making a channel and discussing such ideas. Objectivists are far less authoritarian than left-'anarchists' such as mr1001nights. LaughingMan0x even agrees with me on that. Your comment is full of piss and shit and fail and squid eyeballs."--RaymondDundas; second highest rated comment on the above video



I don't know all the details about the Spanish "Anarchists" of that period, but from what I've heard, they were "anarchists" in name alone.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 03, 2011, 06:11:34 PM
Let's say that the lot of them was horrible to variing degrees and drop them in a ditch.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 04, 2011, 06:14:46 PM
"But without God, how will we build roads?"--someone on one of Morrakiu's Catholic School videos
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 05, 2011, 07:28:14 AM
Alright, this time's it's a real fav quote. ;)

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 06, 2011, 06:22:41 AM
"Seriously, conspiracy theorists, ending government coercion would stop all of it. There would be no way for them to tax the crap out of us to put fluoride in the water, no large scale wars, no victimless crimes, no "sprayings", hell, no lying political tyrants ever again.

"A conspiracy theorist helps their masters by NOT spreading anarchy/voluntaryism... by supporting government coercion on peaceful people." --Michael Shanklin
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2011, 12:52:49 PM
"Seriously, conspiracy theorists, ending government coercion would stop all of it. There would be no way for them to tax the crap out of us to put fluoride in the water, no large scale wars, no victimless crimes, no "sprayings", hell, no lying political tyrants ever again.

"A conspiracy theorist helps their masters by NOT spreading anarchy/voluntaryism... by supporting government coercion on peaceful people." --Michael Shanklin
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks so. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2011, 04:00:33 PM

Very good video by Stefan. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2011, 04:07:49 PM

Another outstanding video. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2011, 09:32:45 PM
"An atheist who is a statist is just another theist"--Stefan Molyneux; description on his latest video (as of this posting) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qID7Jsu1K0s)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 08, 2011, 09:58:12 AM
Just for the beauty of the Poe:

http://www.youtube.com/user/shockofgov

Check out his comments on other videos as well.

(And in case you're wondering, it's based on this guy: http://www.youtube.com/user/shockofgod whose entire tenure of posting would fill a whole separate Fail Quotes thread!)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 09, 2011, 01:26:24 PM
..., that does'nt happen to be your account?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 09, 2011, 04:10:23 PM
Nope, not me.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 13, 2011, 06:43:53 PM

Stef at his best, once again.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 14, 2011, 10:46:37 PM

Stefan has really been on a roll lately.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 17, 2011, 09:47:48 AM
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate." --Martin Luther King, Jr.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2011, 06:41:48 PM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 18, 2011, 01:26:22 AM
"We should ban all guns. No one should have guns! Guns should be illegal."

"Sounds great. How are you going to enforce it?"

"lolwut?" --Stargazer5781 Source:  This video's highest ranked comment:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ21T7PC_tg
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 19, 2011, 05:56:51 AM
"Rule 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it."
-The Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates-
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 20, 2011, 09:04:50 PM
"eleutherophobia (uncountable) 1. Fear of freedom." -Wiktionary

Best.
Word.
Ever.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 20, 2011, 09:55:49 PM
But not as much fun as "sesquipedaliaphobia" (a fear of long words).
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 22, 2011, 02:29:32 PM
"Just tell me where in the world you find these angels who are going to organize society for us." --Milton Friedman
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 23, 2011, 12:43:08 PM
"I HATE the term 'crony capitalism' because there's nothing capitalist about it at all." --Shane (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hf-9fM71i8)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 23, 2011, 05:27:49 PM
Lots of my FB friends are quoting me on this one:

"It makes sense to me that government robbing Peter to pay Paul will virtually guarantee them getting Paul's vote. What baffles me is that they keep getting Peter's vote as well!" --Me
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 23, 2011, 06:24:40 PM
Well, since we're quoting ourselves here, I'm actually quite proud of this one:

"The people saying that I should be grateful of government because it provides me with services/goods/etc must think I'm at least 6 different types of stupid.  If the government didn't tax away over half of our income, regulate away our opportunities and inflate away our savings, just to name a few, I'd have that much more wealth and wouldn't NEED government in the first place." --Me
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 24, 2011, 12:38:25 PM
I'd recommend watching the first video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-jg90JNksE) before this one:

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 24, 2011, 09:48:00 PM
I have absolutely no clue what he is talking about but I'm certain I am appaled by it.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 28, 2011, 10:20:12 PM
"The moral argument for [the] repudiation [of the national debt] is easiest to follow[,] although by itself [it] says nothing about the practical results. Treasury securities represent a stream of future tax revenues, and investors have no more just claim to those returns than to any investment in a criminal enterprise. I favor total repudiation of all government debt for the same reason I favor abolition of slavery without compensation to slaveholders."--Jeffrey Rogers Hummel (http://mises.org/daily/5000)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 29, 2011, 06:42:23 AM
Good point. While the beneficiaries in a Ponzi scam might have a valid civil claim against the perpetrator of the scam, they do NOT have a claim to any money that the current investors would have paid into it in the future. I think the same concept applies here.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2011, 11:56:40 AM
"From what I've seen, HTWW doesn't even understand the difference between capitalism and corporatism, something that's usually only reserved for the ignorance of statists. He's also been conned into believing that the US health care system is a free market system and put himself in the position of defending it.

Really, if he wanted to help the cause of libertarianism, he'd switch to the other side."--Shane on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYWxflErVWk)

Glad SOMEONE else noticed that.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2011, 03:33:31 PM
And speaking of the national debt:

Have I posted this already?  If so, it deserves to be brought up again. :)


And to those who would bring up the bogosity known as the "Social Contract":

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 29, 2011, 11:40:29 PM
"The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And even if he is not romantic personally he is apt to spread discontent among those who are." --H.L. Mencken
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2011, 12:24:28 PM
@Shane:  Very good quote. :)


"YES! In the State of the Unicorn address, Obama kept emphasizing how force-funded investments in future technologies will result in the yet unknown industries of the future.

This led me to ask, 'If nobody knows the industry of the future, isn't it best to let everyone invest in whatever they want?'

HOW can one make the claim that something amazing will result from funding...but not know what it is yet?" --SanieClaws, highest rated comment (as of this posting) on this video:

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2011, 01:03:20 PM
Ludwig von Mises: "A free man must be able to endure it when his fellow men act and live otherwise than he considers proper. He must free himself from the habit, just as soon as something does not please him, of calling for the police." - Liberalism
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 30, 2011, 08:23:47 PM
"Actions that would be considered reprehensible if done by an absolute dictator, are considered morally legitimate if done by a democratically-elected government." --Downsize DC Foundation, The Democracy Fallacy (http://www.downsizedcfoundation.org/blog/the-democracy-fallacy)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2011, 08:32:14 PM
Shane, that is freakin' epic, man. :)


However, I would change the wording a bit.  I would have said, "Actions that would be considered reprehensible if done by an absolute dictator, or even just private individuals, are considering morally legitimate if done by a democratically-elected government." (boldface to emphasis change)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2011, 11:17:13 PM
"Free Market Fascism doesn't, and cannot exist.
Mussolini:
'If [classical] liberalism spells individualism, Fascism spells government. The Fascist State is, however, a unique and original creation...in the economic field by the increasingly numerous and important functions discharged by trade unions and trade associations with their disputes and ententes, affecting both capital and labor;'

That's economic intervention; Free market is interventionless last I checked."--shadowgeyser

"No Jacob, the State is the default position. Look at how complex civilization is, there must be a designer i.e the State."--shadowgeyser

Source of both quotes is the comment section of this video: 
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 31, 2011, 01:41:19 AM
"Actions that would be considered reprehensible if done by an absolute dictator, are considered morally legitimate if done by a democratically-elected government." --Downsize DC Foundation, The Democracy Fallacy (http://www.downsizedcfoundation.org/blog/the-democracy-fallacy)

Wait, there's actually a serious way of saying what i said in the fail quotes thread?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 31, 2011, 06:42:32 AM
Wait, there's actually a serious way of saying what i said in the fail quotes thread?

And you wonder why your bogometer keeps going down!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 31, 2011, 09:39:26 AM
Well I did manage to get it up again for a while...
but then I ran out of viagra.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 31, 2011, 05:26:12 PM
"You've got the brain-washed, that's the Republicans, and the brain-dead, that's the Democrats." --Mark Russell
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 01, 2011, 12:52:31 AM

Another outstanding masterpiece by Lord T Hawkeye. :)

He had to disable comments on the other video, but not before posting this piece of pwnage:

"@montereypopfestiva67 okay, so I'm a pompous ass for saying you're wrong and then you proceed to declare me wrong without backing it up? Interesting...

Sorry but all sources outside of your state run schools say otherwise. I'm not simply taking your word on that. You gotta give me more.

Finally, even if they weren't talking surrender, what if you simply didn't attack at all? Tell me straight shot, what is the WORST thing that could possibly have happened?"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 01, 2011, 11:50:47 AM
Two fav quotes from this article (http://www.thefreemanonline.org/headline/can-government-manage-the-economy/):
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It’s an astounding non sequitur: to assert that government can prevent crises, recessions, and “swings in unemployment” while being fully aware that for 98 years it has been trying to do it and failing.
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I call it the watchful eye illusion: the idea that government has greater knowledge and wisdom than the public. In extreme form this illusion treats government as God, as a superior being, who, from His Olympian position, surveys the scene and controls error and wrongdoing. Once this illusion is locked into your thinking, you remain convinced, despite any amount of failure, that government has the ability to do things right next time.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 01, 2011, 04:51:56 PM
Nice!
And people wonder why me and Lord T Hawkeye call statism a "religion":  it's just trading one infallible authority for another.

And of course, you, me and others already call it "The Cult of the Omnipotent State".  The reason?  Because the glove fits.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 02, 2011, 05:29:58 PM
"[I]f you are using the same tactics as the Creationist movement, you gotta start thinking that maybe, just maybe, you arent as educated on this topic as you think you are." --Abbie Smith, ERV (http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2011/02/whats_good_for_the_goose_is_go.php)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 04, 2011, 12:24:11 PM
"A text itself is neither worthless nor worth a lot. What makes any text--including our constitution--be worthwhile is how well the people keep to it. The reason why we still (for the most part) have free speech in this country is not because of ink on parchment; it's because people have been willing to step forward and defend the concept." -ShaneDK on his latest constitution video.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2011, 04:05:54 PM
"*beep*

WRONG! The reason why you still have some free speech is because the central hub of organi[z]ed crime and mob rule known as the state wants people to be be free to some extent because it makes people more productive and serves the state better!"--rebel1q in response to the above.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2011, 04:08:37 PM
"They may take our tails, but they may never take, OUR SEMEN!!!!"--Semen Wallace @1:17 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrzuWl9ml2Y)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2011, 05:24:51 PM
Ludwig von Mises: "There is really no essential difference between the unlimited power of the democratic state and the unlimited power of the autocrat." - Socialism
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2011, 06:02:59 PM
Stefan Molyneux/Jan Helfeld Debate – Anarchism Versus Minarchism (http://readfdr.wordpress.com/2009/08/30/144/)

The transcription of the video.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2011, 02:56:34 AM
"Here's the first rule of bullshit: If somebody says 'There ought to be a law...', there probably oughtn't."
--Penn Jillette, from the Endangered Species episode of Penn & Teller: Bullshit!

"My dear, there are two rules of skepticism:  1) If someone says, 'there ought to be a law,' then there probably shouldn't be.  2)  There are no sacred cows."--Me, modifying Penn's 'rule of skepticism'.  Boldface added for emphasis.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 05, 2011, 04:14:49 AM
Maybe no sacred cows but can we agree that there's some choice ass?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 05, 2011, 04:28:04 PM
Maybe no sacred cows but can we agree that there's some choice ass?

Now, now. That's no way to talk about your mother. =P
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 05, 2011, 06:15:50 PM
Good god, you actually got the refference?
But did you get the one I ment?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2011, 06:55:56 PM
To all the people (including MisterBusta) who say, "Morality comes from God.":

(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9553/euthyphrodilemma.jpg)

Source is on the Mises Institute forum's (now stickied) Freedom Images thread, page 8.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 05, 2011, 07:45:01 PM
Good god, you actually got the refference?
But did you get the one I ment?

It's mended, not ment. And yes, I did. By the way, duct tape was a poor choice. Should've just replaced it.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 05, 2011, 07:58:33 PM
Oh good... which one was it. I've kind of forgotten. <_<
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2011, 07:59:40 PM

"And with what cost does he purchase this increased threat of crime and violence? The sacrifice of his own liberty. For all of mankind’s experience speaks to the fact that by far the single most common aggressor against the rights of mankind is, and always will be, states. In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson expressed the concept that states exist for the purpose of securing our rights. Yet, what a misguided notion! To see how misguided this notion is, one merely needs to read the so-called Bill of Rights to the Constitution. This document attempts to secure for all Americans the rights to freedom of speech, freedom of worship, freedom of the press, freedom to peaceably assemble, freedom to bear arms, security against having the military quartered in my home, security against unreasonable searches and seizures, and security against unfair judicial proceedings. But who is it that threatens these rights if it is not states? The argument is, therefore, circular: I need a state to secure my rights, which rights are only threatened by states." --Caleb Johnson (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2008/03/21/the-anarchy-boogey-man/)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 06, 2011, 12:53:08 PM
"Countries don't go to war because of the differences of their people but out of the similiarities of their leaders"

And speaking of the causes of war:

"The carnage of conflict is only an effect of the core violence which supports war, which is
the military enslavement of domestic citizens through the draft – and even more
importantly, the direct theft of their money which pays for the war.

Without the money to fund a war – and pay the soldiers, whether they are drafted or not –
war is impossible. The actual violence of the battlefield is a mere effect of the threatened
violence at home. If citizens could not be forced to pay for the war – either in the present in
the form of taxes, or in the future through deficit financing – then the carnage of the
battlefield could never possibly occur.

I have read many books and articles on the root of war – whether it is nationalism,
economic forces, faulty philosophical premises, class conflict and so on – none of which
addressed the central issue, which is how war is paid for. This is like advancing merely
psychological explanations as to why people play the lottery, without ever once mentioning
their interest in the prize money. Why do people become doctors? Is it because they have a
psychological need to present themselves as godlike healers, or because they are pleasing
their mother and father, or because they are themselves secretly wounded, or because they
possess an altruistic desire to heal the sick? These may be all interesting theories to pursue,
but they are mere effects of the basic fact that doctors are highly paid for what they do.

Certainly psychological or sociological theories may explain why a particular person
chooses to become a doctor rather than pursue some other high-paying occupation – but
surely we should at least start with the fact that if doctors were not paid, almost no one
would become a doctor. For instance, if a magic pill were invented tomorrow that ensured
perfect health forever, there would be no more doctors – because no one would pay for the
unnecessary service. Thus the first cause of doctors is – payment.

In the same way, we can endlessly theorize about the psychological, sociological or
economic causes of war, but if we never talk about the simple fact that the first cause of war
is domestic theft and military enslavement, then everything that follows remains mere
abstract and airless intellectual quibbling, more designed to hide the truth than reveal it.

We can only point guns at foreign enemies because we first point guns at domestic citizens.

Without taxation, there can be no war.

Without governments, there can be no taxation.

Thus governments are the first cause of war.

The truth of the matter, I believe, is that deep down we know that if we pull out this one
single thread – that coercion against citizens is the root of war – we know that many other
threads will also come unraveled."--Stefan Molyneux, Everyday Anarchy, page 31
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 06, 2011, 05:31:49 PM
Or shorter...
War, war never changes.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 06, 2011, 08:45:27 PM
"Neo-conservatives are just ex-Trotskyist commies.  They all suck." --deathtotyrants76 in the comments of this video:  
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 06, 2011, 09:02:18 PM
"I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed 1000 more if only they knew they were slaves." --Harriet Tubman
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 06, 2011, 10:03:50 PM
"I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed 1000 more if only they knew they were slaves." --Harriet Tubman

I'm still looking for a definitive source for this one.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 06, 2011, 10:17:42 PM
I got it from one of Mike Shanklin's videos in case you're wondering.

"Reagan's anti-communist rhetoric notwithstanding, his spending records indicate he was more concerned with creating a socialist state at home than stopping the ones abroad." --Me, inspired by James Ostrowski, and the slew of criticisms to conservativism/republicans from the Mises Institute recently
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 06, 2011, 11:49:28 PM
And speaking of Ostrowski:

"And don’t tell me about 'free riders.' It’s my plan that eliminates the free riders: people who live at the expense of unwilling others. Besides, I’d rather have a few 'free riders' than have a whole nation of tax slaves (unfree carriers)."--James Ostrowski, Shane, you'll love this Mises Daily.  It's like a short version of Harry Browne's book, "Why Government Doesn't Work" (http://mises.org/daily/633)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2011, 11:39:58 PM
"A lynch mob is a democracy [a]s well. Should that be held sacred?" --Virgil0211 in the comment section of this video: 
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 10, 2011, 04:52:44 PM
"Actually science without religion is fucking awesome." --Sconz32; highest rated comment (as of this posting) on this video: 

"Faith IS hope without evidence. When people believe that Noah herded two of every animal on Earth into a big boat and floated around for 40 days, they don't do it because there's proof, they do so with hope because they WANT to believe it's true.

The scientific method itself doesn't approve/disprove anything. It's not an intelligent agent, it's a process." --shade1978x, second highest rated comment on that same video
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 11, 2011, 06:45:40 AM
"Fine. Lets grant the premise that everything scientists say about evolution is a lie. Why does it work? Why do we get results when we use the concept of evolution as the foundation for our experiments? Why do we learn new information? Why do we solve problems? If evolution is a lie, its a lie that gives us results. If Creationism is true, its a truth that provides us with nothing except a warm fuzzy feeling that a cruel, inept deity exists." --Abbie Smith
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 11, 2011, 10:28:52 AM
You want to trust your healthcare to the same people who happily wage wars and sell the future productivity of your children to pay for it...and you're trying to say I'M naive? - Me

"well, see, that's not the same thing. it doesn't count because..um...YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN WHO WILL FORCE YOU TO PAY TAXES IN A STATELESS SOCIETY SO IT DOESNT WORK!"
Seriously, it's like showing a solar panel to someone, who tells you it will never work because there's nowhere to pour the gas in. - My friend Wraith's reply
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2011, 03:19:29 PM

Epic win.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 12, 2011, 04:05:27 PM

Epic win.

Failz around 1:35: Global Cooling was never a scientific consensus, and the educated world has agreed that the Earth is round for almost 3000 years.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 12, 2011, 05:22:08 PM
"What do you call a small businessman who makes $300,000 and wants lower taxes and less regulation so that he can re-invest in his business and hire more workers? He's 'greedy.' What do you call a billionaire who calls for HIGHER taxes and more regulation so that he won't face competition from small business? He's 'a philanthropist and a humanitarian.'" --DownsizeDC.org (on their Facebook page)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2011, 05:23:47 PM
Failz around 1:35: Global Cooling was never a scientific consensus, and the educated world has agreed that the Earth is round for almost 3000 years.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice that. :)
Beyond those things, it was good, despite what I perceived as a conservative slant.  My favorite was the bit about a college education and the 63% chance that you'll make either the same as or LESS than the people who didn't attend college.

EDIT:  I've got 2011 posts! Same as the number of this year!. ;D
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 13, 2011, 06:06:18 PM

Glad to know more and more people are catching on to this.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 14, 2011, 02:51:48 AM
"I will never understand people who treat pollution as a result of capitalism...Pollution, by definition is a violation of [the] property rights of the person whose property is polluted [without] their consent; and as such, is as antithetical to capitalism as government wealth re-distributive schemes." --Me, in the comments to this video: 

I do have my moments.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 15, 2011, 10:47:49 AM
"Political tags--such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth--are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." --Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough for Love"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 15, 2011, 02:09:33 PM
"Political tags--such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth--are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." --Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough for Love"

I think I just found what will be my next signature!

Heinlein really seems awesome, based on what I've seen of him.
I really don't know what that "24 types of Libertarian" poster we saw earlier was bitching about when it said one of them was, "Too much Heinlein".
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 18, 2011, 03:25:19 AM
Not so much a fav quote as something I need to get off my chest:

"Many of the 'capitalists' I know at my college--my economics professor, my physics professor, etc--are actually corporatists, given that they seem convinced what we have in the USA is a free market.  Really, if they wanted to help the cause of freedom, they'd switch sides, or at least stop conflating mercantile policies like Intellectual Property and government intervention on 'externalities' with a free market." --Me

Yeah, I will NEVER understand the people who use the externalities argument for government intervention.
Even everything they stated were true, by their own admission, we can't have a government either:  For what is government if not one giant externality?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 18, 2011, 03:49:46 AM
"In political science and economics the five biggest contradictions are: 'Limited Government', 'Anarcho-Communism/Socialism', 'State Capitalism', 'Libertarian Socialism' and 'Crony Capitalism'" --Me
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 18, 2011, 06:30:58 AM
What about "crony capitalism"? I really hate it when people call it that...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 18, 2011, 06:46:41 AM
Since we're at it...
What about the term "Casino Capitalism" ?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 18, 2011, 11:01:16 AM
What about "crony capitalism"? I really hate it when people call it that...

Crap, one second...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 18, 2011, 12:40:29 PM
Since we're at it...
What about the term "Casino Capitalism" ?
Or "Disaster Capitalism".
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 18, 2011, 02:29:03 PM
"In a world in which the last superpower is losing control — and the sooner the better — American conservatives will have to make a choice. Do they favor freedom? Or do they favor the global military state? Fess up, fellows. You have to make the choice." --Llewellyn H. Rockwell Jr. (http://mises.org/daily/5055)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 18, 2011, 06:05:49 PM
This entire article is a win quote:  The Mystery of FDR Unraveled by Llewellyn H. Rockwell Jr. (http://mises.org/daily/4801)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 19, 2011, 07:24:25 PM
America — Love It or Leave It by Harry Browne (http://www.harrybrowne.org/articles/AmericaLoveIt.htm)
Gotta love Harry Browne.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 20, 2011, 10:58:20 PM
And to balance out the overload of bogons from my last post, here's something full of nutritious cluons:
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 21, 2011, 06:12:18 PM
"There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." --Richard Feynman
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 22, 2011, 12:51:24 AM
[video embed left out because it is no longer available]

"Kyle, this is the way the world works. If you want to find some quality friends, you gotta wade through all the dicks first."

That was a good one.  I'm glad I saw you posted it, otherwise I might have ended up posting it myself soon. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 22, 2011, 12:55:30 AM
This whole speech is a fav quote:


Part 2:


Faved and thumbed-up.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 22, 2011, 03:43:45 PM
"The best way to run a country would be benevolent dictatorship. There's a problem, though, and that is that dictators are never benevolent, and the benevolent do not wish to dictate." --Richard "The Dick" Coughlan, in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb0MWY6Aacs)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 22, 2011, 07:11:48 PM
For being a dick and a emo whore he says some frightfully sensible things.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 22, 2011, 09:35:40 PM
"The best way to run a country would be benevolent dictatorship. There's a problem, though, and that is that dictators are never benevolent, and the benevolent do not wish to dictate." --Richard "The Dick" Coughlan, in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb0MWY6Aacs)

Not so sure about that.  I think Jacob Spinney's "The state is not great" video made a good case for how even if you did elect incorruptible angels who wanted nothing but what was best for everyone, it still wouldn't work because of the calculation problems which inevitably leads to misallocation of resources.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 26, 2011, 10:58:26 AM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 27, 2011, 02:26:57 PM
"Given that average real IQ scores have increased by at least 24 points since 1900, I think it's safe to say that one of my engineering prof's excuse that, 'well the kids just don't want to learn' is not only nonsense, but outright defamation of character against all the children and parents screwed over by the public school system.
I wonder how he explains the fact that, despite only ~50% of people learning how to read in school, that we have a 97% adult literacy rate in the USA?  If children really didn't want to learn, those numbers would be about equal." --Me, in an AIM session with Lord T Hawkeye this morning.

I do have my moments, sometimes. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 27, 2011, 09:59:30 PM
"Nobody is born aggressive, although aggressive behavior is the easiest behavior to learn." --My Sociology Professor.
To be fair, he does have his lucid moments.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 01, 2011, 09:44:14 AM
"But you see Jacob, the Venus Project will work, because in a Venus Project society resources really are unlimited! Your metaphor would only be correct if on my deserted island there was also an army of magical robots!" --Stargazer5781, a comment on this video: 

Jacob got a laugh out of it, I got a giggle out of it, I'm sure some people here will like it too. :)

Also, check out the other comments left by eagleeye1975, and stargazer5781.
They'll crack you up.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 01, 2011, 09:43:59 PM
"This isn't a bill for health care, let's get to the friggin' action already!" --Spoony (I think):  Source (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/11343-alone)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2011, 06:12:38 AM
I had to include this classic by Harry Browne:

"Some people say I go too far in wanting to cut the government. They say I want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. But here's what they don't understand: It's Rosemary's baby." -- Harry Browne
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2011, 06:14:59 AM
"Today, in tribute to our departed friend, we present a very slightly modified version of Harry Browne's final column. With Pamela Browne's permission, we present this example of Harry's style because it says so much of what we believe, in such a simple, clear, and brief way. We've titled it, 'Why You're a DC Downsizer.'

You're a DC Downsizer because you abhor violence . . .

When a neighbor isn't willing to contribute as much to a social project as you are, you'd never think of:

Using a gun to force him to contribute;

Hiring an armed gang to threaten to kidnap him or confiscate his money if he didn't contribute;

Using the government in place of the armed gang if he didn't contribute -- because every government program, in the final analysis, involves violence against those who don't comply.

If two people have agreed to engage in voluntary behavior between them, with no violence involved, you'd never think of:

Using a gun to stop them;

Hiring an armed gang to threaten to kidnap them if they didn't stop;

Using the government in place of the armed gang to stop them.

If a company and an individual have agreed to engage in voluntary behavior between them, with no violence involved, you'd never think of:

Using a gun to stop them;

Hiring an armed gang to threaten to kidnap them if they didn't stop;

Using the government in place of the armed gang to stop them.

If a foreign government is not attacking America, you'd never support the idea of initiating violence against the foreign country.

As one who abhors violence, you're willing to tolerate anything that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let live -- opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for any purpose.

That's why you're a DC Downsizer."

We miss you, Harry.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 02, 2011, 05:17:42 PM
“So what is government? Very simply, it is an agency of coercion. Of course, there are other agencies of coercion, such as the Mafia. So to be more precise, government is the agency of coercion that has flags in front of its offices.” —Harry Browne
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2011, 10:29:11 PM
The Fight against Intellectual Property by Jacob H. Huebert (http://mises.org/daily/5025)

This article is really something else.  It uses philosophy & moral arguments, takes into account the arguments of the opposition, practical analysis, historical evidence/precedence, references to other good books, is heavily sourced, etc.
Simply put, it's the best article on Intellectual Monopoly since "The Fallacy of Intellectual Property" by Daniel Krawisz.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 04, 2011, 12:05:00 AM
Another gem from the original Austrian Economist, Ludwig von Mises: "European totalitarianism is an upshot of bureaucracys['] preeminence in the field of education. The universities paved the way for the dictators." - Bureaucracy
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 04, 2011, 12:13:15 AM
And not to be outdone is Krugman's Austrian detractor, Robert P. Murphy: "One of the biggest problems in the social sciences is that we can't run controlled experiments. That's why Keynesians and Austrians can cling to such vastly different policy conclusions, despite decades of experience and mounds of data. Just because unemployment "unexpectedly" shot way up after passage of the Obama stimulus package, doesn't mean it was a bad idea. The Keynesians are right: it's possible that unemployment would have been even worse in the absence of massive deficit spending. This is why it's so important to have sound theoretical views, which we then use to sift the data and make sense of things.

Paul Krugman's recent blog posts on state-level unemployment show just how easy it is for economists to protect their views from counterevidence. There are always arguments floating about that can take empirical evidence that was initially a liability and flip it around into a strength." --Conclusion of this article (http://mises.org/daily/5086)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 04, 2011, 11:30:02 AM
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." --Inigo Montoya
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Post by: MrBogosity on March 04, 2011, 12:15:59 PM
Lots of great quotes from Princess Bride!

"You rush a miracle man, you get rotten miracles." --Miracle Max
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 06, 2011, 01:47:46 PM

Classic. :)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 06, 2011, 02:18:02 PM
From Shane's website:  “Cigars killed my Uncle Phil / We knew someday they’d get him / He bent over in the street to pick one up / And a bus drove by and hit him” —Mike Cross

For making me giggle.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 06, 2011, 03:44:04 PM
"I failed to find, although I was eagerly looking for it — that bitter struggle for the means of existence, among animals belonging to the same species, which was considered by most Darwinists (though not always by Darwin himself) as the dominant characteristic of struggle for life and the main factor of evolution. [What I saw instead was] Mutual Aid and Mutual Support carried on to an extent which made me suspect in it a feature of the greatest importance for the maintenance of life, the preservation of each species, and its further evolution.

[I concluded that] life in societies enables the feeblest animals, the feeblest birds, and the feeblest mammals to resist, or to protect themselves from the most terrible birds and beasts of prey; it permits longevity; it enables the species to rear its progeny with the least waste of energy and to maintain its numbers albeit a very slow birth-rate; it enables the gregarious animals to migrate in search of new abodes. Therefore, while fully admitting that force, swiftness, protective colors, cunningness, and endurance to hunger and cold, which are mentioned by Darwin and Wallace, are so many qualities making the individual or the species the fittest under certain circumstances, we maintain that under any circumstances sociability is the greatest advantage in the struggle for life. Those species which willingly abandon it are doomed to decay; while those animals which know best how to combine have the greatest chance of survival and of further evolution, although they may be inferior to others in each of the faculties enumerated by Darwin and Wallace, except the intellectual faculty." --Peter Kropotkin, source (http://mises.org/daily/5071)
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Post by: MrBogosity on March 06, 2011, 03:47:32 PM
From Shane's website:  “Cigars killed my Uncle Phil / We knew someday they’d get him / He bent over in the street to pick one up / And a bus drove by and hit him” —Mike Cross

So if you smoke or dip or chew / You'd better get your fill / 'Cause if tobacco don't get you / An anti-smoker will
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 06, 2011, 03:57:38 PM
So if you smoke or dip or chew / You'd better get your fill / 'Cause if tobacco don't get you / An anti-smoker will
True dat.
ALL HAIL THE NANNY STATE! ;D
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 06, 2011, 08:02:11 PM
This article is chock full of Fav Quotes:  Taxpayers in Revolt by Doug French (http://mises.org/daily/5068)
I would especially recommend reading the whole thing if you're feeling down.  It's very empowering. :)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 07, 2011, 01:10:35 AM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 07, 2011, 03:32:39 PM
"Next time someone tells you that a certain collective goal can't be reached unless you get everyone's participation, tell him that unless you can get everyone's voluntary participation that goal had jolly well better remain unfulfilled because human lives are not yours to dispose of." --Ayn Rand (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OvL1_89QDs)

And the highest rated comment on that video, slightly modified by me:  "@Aurini Not at all. If a slave accepts a meal from his master, does he thus condone slavery? If you go to the state run hospital, it's not because you chose them because as you said, all other options were cut off.

In simplest terms: [duress] =/= consent" --Lord T Hawkeye
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2011, 03:31:19 PM
"Government doesn't produce anything!" -- My econ professor, believe it or not

I have no other words. O_O
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2011, 07:04:57 PM
"The more historical research I read and the more I contrast what economists write with what non[-]economists write, the more I am convinced that the bulk of history and biography should be redone." --Art Carden (http://mises.org/daily/5074/Hamiltons-Curse)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 09, 2011, 11:21:43 AM
"[I]f licensing is so important in order to guarantee competent and qualified service providers, shouldn't we, in the same vein, require all politicians to go through years of training in the areas of philosophy, history, economics (including free-market economics), industrial production, accounting, and management before they are permitted to pass laws that affect the economy and our lives? Shouldn't they be licensed?" --Kel Kelly (http://mises.org/daily/5066)

EDIT: Fixed BBCode error. --MrB
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Post by: MrBogosity on March 09, 2011, 04:54:52 PM
“The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.” —Friedrich Nietzsche
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 09, 2011, 05:19:37 PM
“The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.” —Friedrich Nietzsche

That one was awesome!
I saw Stefan Molyneux quote that one on his video on reason, culture and madness.

Also, my bad, I guess I forgot to use the preview button on my last post. >_<
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 09, 2011, 06:37:03 PM
"'Collectivist ethics' is an oxymoron." --Yours Truly, inspired by this video's title (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OvL1_89QDs)

I do have my moments. :)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 10, 2011, 08:51:54 PM
"...Where we part ways is that is that you—like most of the people in the country—grew up assuming its [the Social Contract's] legitimacy and moral superiority, and never bothered to question it.  Go back 200 years ago, you'd have defended slavery.  And go back 400 [years] and you'd have defended the absolute monarchy." --GunCriminal, 14:10 to the very end (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_B-sDrKmWQ)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2011, 06:22:51 PM
"The education system is a joke, and college is one of the biggest scams in American history." --KillerCracker69, highest rated comment on this video as of this posting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AniIr_sIrRE)

Even worse, is barriers to entry making it so you *need* a college education to get into so many professions you could, and should, be able to just work your way up in.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 12, 2011, 02:42:01 AM
What Is Prejudice? by Ben O'Neill (http://mises.org/daily/5090)

This will make you think.  It sure got me thinking.  I also love the critique of what seems to be the predecessor of FlowCell's more recent posts.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 12, 2011, 07:36:14 PM
The following is from Stefan Molyneux.
It's called, "How to Win Political Arguments in Two Minutes or Less"

"STATIST: I support [FILL IN THE BLANK, e.g. the Surge, Welfare, the War on Drugs, Homeland Security etc. etc.].

YOU: I respect and acknowledge your right to support that program. I encourage you to support it economically (E.g. “You likey the surge? No problem. Take out your checkbook and write a check to Donnie Rumsfeld”). Will you afford me the same respect and courtesy I am giving you? Am I free to disagree with you?

STATIST: Er, yes? (What else are they going to say?)

YOU: Am I allowed to ACT on that disagreement? (Logically, free people must be able to act on their decisions, otherwise it is an illusory right, for example, having the right to free press but not the right to type anything.) Am I allowed to act on my belief without the initiation of force against me?

STATIST: Er, yes?

YOU: So, you agree that I’m allowed to disagree with you. And you agree that I’m free to act on that disagreement, just as you are free to act on your beliefs, so, by way of example, if I don’t likey the surge, am I free to not to write a check and not to economically support the surge?"

Wonderful. :)
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Post by: MrBogosity on March 13, 2011, 11:11:37 AM
"If they can get you to ask the wrong questions, then it doesn't matter what the answers are." --Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow

That should be a skeptic's mantra, up there with "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 14, 2011, 01:23:25 AM
That is until the anti-skeptics start blowing it off as, "a cliché".

More epic win from Ludwig von Mises: "The characteristic feature of militarism is not the fact that a nation has a powerful army or navy. It is the paramount role assigned to the army within the political structure. Even in peacetime the army is supreme; it is the predominant factor in political life. The subjects must obey the government as soldiers must obey their superiors. Within a militarist community there is no freedom; there are only obedience and discipline." - Omnipotent Government

A quote worth showing to every political dogmatist who tries to accuse libertarians of being "republicans/conservatives".
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 14, 2011, 01:37:37 AM
"Men have the right to use physical force only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use. The ethical problem is simple and clear-cut: it is the difference between murder and self-defense." --Ayn Rand

What can I say?  She does have her moments. :)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 15, 2011, 03:09:38 PM
"Fascism, Communism, Hitlerism, Stalinism, are all essentially the same thing. Their superficial differences amount to nothing more than catchwords and claptrap." --Albert Jay Nock (http://mises.org/daily/5030)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 15, 2011, 03:13:24 PM
Ludwig von Mises: "What is called the American way of life is the result of the fact that the United States has put fewer obstacles in the way of saving and capital accumulation than in other nations." - Planning for Freedom
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 15, 2011, 06:52:18 PM
"Animals aren’t people. They are things – property. They have no rights. There is nothing immoral about killing and eating them. Comparing free use of property to abuses of people is offensive." --MaineShark (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2011/02/23/vegan-diet-2/) (italics added by me)
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Post by: Gumba Masta on March 16, 2011, 02:50:57 AM
"Animals aren’t people. They are things – property. They have no rights. There is nothing immoral about killing and eating them. Comparing free use of property to abuses of people is offensive." --MaineShark (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2011/02/23/vegan-diet-2/) (italics added by me)

Of course he fully ignores that people are animals too...
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 16, 2011, 12:57:46 PM
Of course he fully ignores that people are animals too...

He's going by the colloquial usage, which excludes humans. :P
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Post by: Gumba Masta on March 16, 2011, 03:50:39 PM
He's going by the colloquial usage, which excludes humans. :P

That fascist peeeg!
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2011, 05:24:52 PM
I recall Rothbard talking of patents and copyrights in a free market (not a fav quote, just context for the true fav quote):
"Rothbard justified patents of a sort on similar grounds. If Smith sells Jones a new kind of vacuum cleaner and marks it "patented" (or, as Rothbard would have it, "copyright"), that tells Jones that he is only receiving the right to the physical object, not the right to make copies of it. The patent/copyright creates a contractual limitation, just as in the copyright context." --Source (http://mises.org/daily/5025)


I will personally adore Dale Everett's response to that idea:

"'(which you don’t have if the license for the album you bought explicity binds you to not doing so)' -James
'Ignorance of the law contract is no excuse!' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat)

I’d get a signature on that contract if you want that to hold up in the eyes of any reasonable third party arbiter, but even if you do, good luck figuring out which contracted purchaser released the first copy to a bunch of people online who signed no contract so you can try to enforce that contract. You apparently believe in mystical contracts that are attached to bits of electricity and bind themselves automatically to people who come into contact with them absent any explicit agreement.

'And it is so unused you don’t even notice/no harm comes to you.' -James
If that’s really the case, though it seems like quite a reach, a lot of reasonable people would say that constitutes abandonment. Generally speaking, theft equates directly to harm. If you labored to obtain property, then theft of that property is retroactive enslavement. If someone has absolutely no concern whatsoever for a piece of their property, then they’ve effectively abandoned it. It’s like someone picking items out of your garbage on the side of the road.

Nothing you’ve said has provided any logical reason to support this special notion of property (i.e. IP) that makes copying it theft when it’s not theft to copy any other kind of property." --Source (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2010/10/07/the-trouble-with-selling-tribbles/)
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Post by: MrBogosity on March 17, 2011, 06:17:55 PM
It's not that big a thing; this is how trade secret laws work. The person who revealed the trade secret can be prosecuted, but no one who got the info from that person can.

Of course, the "contracts" that come with online music aren't even as clear or as binding as a EULA.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2011, 06:28:02 PM
It's not that big a thing; this is how trade secret laws work. The person who revealed the trade secret can be prosecuted, but no one who got the info from that person can.

Of course, the "contracts" that come with online music aren't even as clear or as binding as a EULA.
And EULAs aren't exactly the most parse-able things themselves.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2011, 06:30:21 PM
And on a much lighter note: 

"Just because I don't have a life, doesn't mean I don't deserve to live"--
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2011, 09:05:43 PM

Very good video. :)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 18, 2011, 02:16:37 AM
"Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence." --George Washington
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 19, 2011, 01:22:35 PM
For those wondering where me and especially Lord T Hawkeye are coming from with religion, especially the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions, wonder no more!


Bonus video (also a win quote): 
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 20, 2011, 02:03:23 AM

0:55 - True dat.  As Shane always says, "ALL CREATIONISTS ARE LIARS!" (also a fav quote).
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 20, 2011, 11:26:13 PM
"Your emotions can also be signals that it's time to re-examine your existing values. Perhaps they're alerting you that you've inadvertently moved away from your own best interests." --Harry Browne, How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 20, 2011, 11:38:25 PM
"No one has ever talked himself (or anyone else) out of an undesired emotion by hurling insults or by delivering a moral lecture." —Nathaniel Branden
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 21, 2011, 03:57:23 AM
"Freedom comes only from seeing the ignorance of your critics and discovering the emptiness of their virtue." —DAVID SEABURY

"Volumes might be written upon the impiety of the pious." —HERBERT SPENCER
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Post by: Travis Retriever on March 21, 2011, 04:13:52 AM
"When you decide to take matters into your own hands, someone may ask you, 'Who do you think you are? Who are you to decide for yourself in the face of society and centuries of moral teachings?'  The answer is simple: You are you, the person who will live with the consequences of what you do. No one else can be responsible, because no one else will experience the consequences of your actions as you will.  If you're wrong, you will suffer for it. If you're right, you will find happiness. You have to be the one to decide.  'Who are you to know?' It's your future at stake. You have to know." —Harry Browne How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World
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Post by: MrBogosity on March 23, 2011, 05:21:32 PM
"Whether you like President Obama or not is not the question. The question is: if you like the Constitution more." - Dennis Kucinich
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 23, 2011, 11:50:08 PM
Any time Dennis Kucinich is the voice of reason, you know you're REALLY screwed - Nick Galespi

Couldn't resist.  ^^
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Post by: VectorM on March 26, 2011, 03:14:19 PM
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Post by: Gumba Masta on March 28, 2011, 08:40:33 AM
To be fair, I don't know the guy who made that video but he does come across as at least a big douchebag as he makes Vogter out to be.
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Post by: VectorM on March 28, 2011, 10:25:04 AM
 Because?
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Post by: Gumba Masta on March 28, 2011, 10:34:07 AM
Welllll, if you put me on the spot like this....
What got to me is how he went on how he kept Vogter around because he was usefull to him, which kind of made his sound like someone who's willing to keep up friendly term on false , what's the word, pretense?, just because it furthers his own agenda. I mean I don't like Vogter, but the guy making the video makes it to me like choosing between a cesspool and a dung heap.
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Post by: VectorM on March 28, 2011, 11:47:51 AM
Meh, doesn't sound like anything you and me don't do already in our daily lives.
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Post by: MrBogosity on March 31, 2011, 10:17:38 AM
Pat Condell is back on form!

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Post by: MrBogosity on April 01, 2011, 06:25:39 AM
"I was happy to see that Newt Gingrich has staked out a position on the war, a position, or two, or maybe three. I don’t know. I think he has more war positions than he’s had wives." --Rand Paul
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 01, 2011, 10:17:54 AM
"1800 Humans know slaves can't be free because there is no history of it working

1900 Humans know machines can't fly because there is no history of it working

2000 Humans know anarcho-capitalism won't work because there is no history of it working.

'there is no history of it working.' is a really lousy predictor of the future." --jeffiek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vlyZLHL00g)
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Post by: MrBogosity on April 01, 2011, 08:10:20 PM
"The spirit of 1776 is not dead. It has only been slumbering. The body of the American people is substantially republican. But their virtuous feelings have been played on by some fact with more fiction; they have been the dupes of artful manoeuvres, and made for a moment to be willing instruments in forging chains for themselves. But time and truth have dissipated the delusion, and opened their eyes...I sincerely join you in abjuring all political connection with every foreign power: and though I cordially wish well to the progress of liberty in all nations, and would for ever give it the weight of our countenance, yet they are not to be touched without contamination, from their other bad principles. Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to T. Lomax, 12 March 1799
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Post by: MrBogosity on April 02, 2011, 01:23:29 PM
"Government is like someone who jumps in front of a parade and then pretends to be leading it." --John Stossel
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 02, 2011, 10:44:34 PM
http://mises.org/daily/5171
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 07, 2011, 05:09:05 PM
I'm pretty sure I've quoted this before.
But still, as an anarchist, it's pretty freakin' awesome:

You guys should read Native American Anarchism (1932) by Eunice Minette Schuster. This was taken from a book review:

 
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The second chapter of this book is devoted to "Anarchism Adolescent - Individualism in the Romantic Period (1812 - 1860)". The author begins by maintaining that the anarchist impulse in this period grew out of colonial Antinominianism and the principle of laissez-faire. The author shows how in particular the writings of Thomas Jefferson combined individualism with agrarianism and thus gave birth to a form of proto-anarchism. Further, the frontier in the West offered a means for those who believed in the principle of individualism to live on their own independently of the State. The author also explains how various impulses arising for example from the philosophy of Rousseau or the Platonic ideal of "Know Thyself" or out of various offshoots of Calvinism came to approximate anarchism. In particular, William Ellery Channing attacked the Puritan idols of New Englanders and thus gave birth to Unitarianism. In New England, Transcendentalists such as Emerson and Thoreau came to embody principles of self-reliance and civil disobedience. Thoreau refused to pay taxes and became an ardent abolitionist. Many of Thoreau's writings could frankly be described as anarchistic, in which he maintained that the government is best which rules not at all and in his opposition to government in general. A second religious offshoot which involved an anarchistic impulse was that of Perfectionism, perhaps best represented by John Humphrey Noyes. It too sought a form of spiritual anarchy. In addition, non-resistance came to play an important part in the formation of anarchistic ideas. From Christ's dictum "Resist not evil" sprang many Christian Non-Resistance and Peace Societies. Further, abolitionism became linked with anarchism, though many anarchists were also to see the dilemma in both opposing slavery and maintaining that the South had a right to secede.


Yes so you commie anarchists can eat a dick*. Telling me I'm not a "real" anarchist" Go to hell.

*militant-mike1's words, not mine.

Source:  http://www.okcupid.com/profile/Militant-Mike1/journal/12982669889170550284/Collectivist-Anarchists-
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 08, 2011, 10:35:31 AM
"Those who do not allow them to work are the first to blame free markets." --Description of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86xMykrUZto)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 10, 2011, 12:40:25 AM
"Government is good at one thing: It knows how to break your legs, hand you a crutch, and say, 'See, if it weren't for the government, you wouldn't be able to walk.'" --Harry Browne

"I say that the Second Amendment doesn't allow for exceptions — or else it would have read that the right 'to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, unless Congress chooses otherwise.' And because there are no exceptions, I disagree with my fellow panelists who say the existing gun laws should be enforced. Those laws are unconstitutional [and] wrong — because they put you at a disadvantage to armed criminals, to whom the laws are no inconvenience." --Harry Browne

R.I.P. Harry Browne.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 11, 2011, 12:33:03 AM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 12, 2011, 08:02:12 PM
"In political science and economics the five biggest contradictions are: 'Limited Government', 'Anarcho-Communism/Socialism', 'State Capitalism', 'Libertarian Socialism' and 'Crony Capitalism'" --Me

Some more:  "Moral Statist" & "Statist Intellectual" and "Moral Creationist" & "Creationist Intellectual"
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Post by: MrBogosity on April 14, 2011, 06:03:06 PM
Pat Condell DEFINITELY back on form!


"I don't reject Jesus; I reject religion. I'm happy to listen to Jesus all day long, as long as he keeps his mouth shut about religion."

"This is what I reject: not Jesus, but religion and the clerical criminals who run it--the people who Jesus despised as much as I do."

"I am very grateful that so many 'experts' have testified to the definite existence of Hell for my benefit. It's a real weight off my mind! I was beginning to worry that the idea of Hell might be just a cynical ploy to intimidate weak-minded, gullible people into submitting to religious fascism."
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 15, 2011, 04:28:25 PM
"Law is opinion with a gun." --Second Highest Rated comment on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jM1xmSeMDE)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on April 15, 2011, 08:32:07 PM
"What Is Economic Growth?

To understand Japan's actual economic growth, we first have to agree on just exactly what economic growth is: it is the production of goods and services. All of our banks, factories, tools, trucks, natural resources, and labor are used almost solely for the ultimate purpose of producing consumer goods — things that we each want and need in our lives in order to stay alive, remain healthy, clothed, and comforted, to enjoy life and to live as well as possible.

An increased standard of living (material well-being, not spiritual or psychological well-being) consists of having more things. The more things we produce — medicines, heaters, sofas, clothes, hammers, sandwiches, suntan lotion, etc. — the better off our lives.

As I will explain below, an economy's growth is not easily or accurately measured with a calculation based on the dollar amount of money spent on goods. Not only are statistical indices like GNP and GDP inaccurate, they are unneeded as far as observing real economic growth. Ordinary citizens in Denmark do not need to compare GDP per capita to know that they live better than ordinary citizens in Somalia. One can simply look around and see what kind of homes, streets, restaurants, grocery stores, and other goods and services are available in each of these countries, and how many hours of labor are needed to acquire these things.

Similarly, in any particular country, one can look around and see whether there are increasing amounts of goods and services over time — i.e., whether there is a positive rate of change of economic growth. The true test of economic growth is whether or not a given amount of physical labor can acquire more goods and services each year." --Kel Kelly (http://mises.org/daily/5170)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 17, 2011, 12:39:43 PM
"The very fact that people can call a government central bank, created by Congress, with 7 board members appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, operating under the decree of government creating legal tender, and being exempt from taxes, and free from any competition [']de jure private['] is just completely laughable in itself." --Chris; the first post on that linked thread (http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/8197.aspx)

Never-mind the fact that the banking/finance industry the single most regulated business sector in all of America; even more than health-care!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 19, 2011, 02:27:03 AM
I read that as Baking/finance industry...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2011, 04:33:43 PM
"Actually, as socialism is the collective, usually by the state, exercise of control over the means of production and fascism does precisely that, setting wages, prices, production, dividends, who one can sell to and who one can buy from, it has been long understood that fascism is, and always has been, a form of socialism. The left/right designation is meaningless in this context as is the fascist assault on OTHER socialists (an act not limited to Nazis).

It's just history." --FletchforFreedom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q98DYXpEHT0)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 19, 2011, 08:01:34 PM
"The Libertarian message in 2012 must be loud, clear, and unequivocal—stop all war! Stop the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, stop the war on drugs and alternative lifestyles, stop the war on civil liberties. Stop All War!" —R. Lee Wrights (http://wrights2012.com/2011/04/wrights-will-seek-libertarian-presidential-nomination/)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2011, 08:54:59 PM
"The Libertarian message in 2012 must be loud, clear, and unequivocal—stop all war! Stop the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, stop the war on drugs and alternative lifestyles, stop the war on civil lierties. Stop All War!" —R. Lee Wrights (http://wrights2012.com/2011/04/wrights-will-seek-libertarian-presidential-nomination/)

Awesome quote!
Not only is it true, of the Libertarians, it will also help to dispell that "Libertarians are extremist conservative" hooey that's out there.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2011, 10:10:41 PM
In response to being told, "No, the Socialist Alternative is a pacifist party." by EclecticSceptic (a fail quote, really).

Shane shot back with this bit of anti-bogosity:  "Socialists are pacifists like the Pope is an atheist."

Source:
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 20, 2011, 12:20:41 AM
The following are all from here:
http://www.youtube.com/Adlasyn
http://www.youtube.com/HalfBrokenButterfly

"Curiosity may have killed the cat, but indifference killed the civili[z]ation."

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." - Henry Thoreau

"Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong." - Ayn Rand

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." - Karl Marx

"Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it." - Noam Chomsky

"Did you ever contribute anything to the happiness of Mankind?"
"Yes, I myself have been happy!" - John Henry Mackay

"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." - Karl Marx (nothing could be more true in regards to socialism itself)

"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." - John Dahlberg-Acton

"Remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall - think of it, always." - Mahatma Gandhi

"Force and mind are opposites; morality ends where a gun begins." - Ayn Rand

"We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." - H.P. Lovecraft

"Every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there, on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam." - Carl Sagan (Pale Blue Dot)

"If God really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him." - Mikhail Bakunin

"Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps, down new roads, armed with nothing but their own vision." - Ayn Rand

"I think it would be a good idea." - Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilisation.

"I am only a child playing on the beach, while vast oceans of truth lie undiscovered before me." - Isaac Newton

The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson

"Pacifism is objectively pro fascist. This is elementary common sense" - George Orwell

"Some laws of state aimed at curbing crime are even more criminal." - Friedrich Engels

"Religion ends and philosophy begins, just as alchemy ends and chemistry begins, and astrology ends and astronomy begins." - Richard Dawkins

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot (my favourite quote of all!)

"The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal.
Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does.
They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness.
These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted." - Aldous Huxley (Brave New World)

"The initial mystery that attends any journey is how did the traveller reach his starting point in the first place." - Louise Bogan

"Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito," (Vergil Aeneid Book VI) - Do not give in to evil but proceed ever more boldly against it.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 20, 2011, 12:22:14 AM
I'm still in awe that he managed to milk win quotes out of not just Noam Chomsky but even Karl Marx.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 20, 2011, 01:33:25 AM
Not as surprised as the quote that rocketed me from plus twenty to minus 14 I hope. =P
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: CarpeLibertatem on April 21, 2011, 06:51:22 AM
"Some people see the glass half full. Others see it half empty. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be." - George Carlin

Not really relating to any topic but I thought quite witty :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: CarpeLibertatem on April 21, 2011, 07:39:07 AM
"The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations." - David Friedman
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 21, 2011, 06:38:40 PM

Epic win.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 21, 2011, 09:52:14 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19151_5-bad-ideas-humanity-sticking-with-out-habit.html
Best. Cracked. Ever.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 22, 2011, 07:11:52 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19151_5-bad-ideas-humanity-sticking-with-out-habit.html
Best. Cracked. Ever.

About number 3 - why do we have to go to school for so long to begin with? School should last half as long, at most. And from then on, let people who are interested in math, or whatever, to specialize in that specifically. Not this generalized bull-crap we have now, that just goes on and on forever.

"Oh, but you might need to know who the president of Turkey was, if you got asked in a TV show or something". Screw you.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 22, 2011, 11:20:51 AM
About number 3 - why do we have to go to school for so long to begin with? School should last half as long, at most. And from then on, let people who are interested in math, or whatever, to specialize in that specifically. Not this generalized bull-crap we have now, that just goes on and on forever.

"Oh, but you might need to know who the president of Turkey was, if you got asked in a TV show or something". Screw you.

True, even Fringeelements has speculated that in a free market, school would probably only last about until the person is 12 years old, until they can be taught a trade if they aren't academic material, and for the more academically inclined students, accelerated year round study so that someone who wants to be a doctor can be ready to get a job by age 17.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 22, 2011, 01:28:57 PM
http://mises.org/daily/5227

Jeffrey Tucker = made of win!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 23, 2011, 04:14:05 AM
"Eight years involved with the nuclear industry have taught me that when nothing can possible go wrong and every avenue has been covered, then is the time to buy a house on the next continent."

- Terry Prachett
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 23, 2011, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: Jacob H. Huebert
Ayn Rand considered the legal protection of a patent or copyright necessary to protect the rights of an idea's creator because of "man's right to the product of his mind." But Rand recognized that ideas couldn't really be treated just like other property. Rights to ordinary property exist in perpetuity — you can pass the property on to your heirs, and they to their heirs, and so on forever. But Rand believed that IP rights could only be recognized for some limited period of time. She could see that if people retained permanent property rights in ideas, this would "paralyze" society as research and innovation would grind to a halt and people would be forced to pay royalties for virtually everything they use to the layabout heirs of long-dead inventors. So Rand recognized that some time limit would have to be established that balanced the inventor's rights with the ability of others to pursue further research.[4] (http://mises.org/daily/5025#note4)

Rand maintained that her philosophy and her views on IP were a product of her moral views on man's rights, so limiting the duration of IP rights to encourage innovation seems uncharacteristically utilitarian. But anyone who believes that IP rights are natural property rights [and/or believes them as a form of property on moral grounds] will have to contend with this difficulty.
(Source of quote (http://mises.org/daily/5025))

Can you image if the people supporting IP on moral grounds actually took IP to the above logical conclusion?
I can already imaging, if we started out with zero patents/copyrights, but with the laws they wanted in place for people to claim patents/copyrights, along with an otherwise free market, the industry would boom at first, causing all the Pro-IP people to go, "Look! See? We NEED IP laws for progress in science and art!"  Then, as the weight of the laws coming bearing down and slowing progress, and people begin to play black market, the slowing of growth would of course be blamed on pirates, as "trespassers" (Notice how they changed it from "thief" to "trespass".  Does that remind you of the name change from Creationism to ID too?) instead of their wholly dated laws, as everyone has to pay royalties for everything long into the future.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 23, 2011, 10:37:19 AM
Like the "Boom and Bust" thing.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 23, 2011, 10:50:14 AM
I wonder how these people think cavemen ever invented spears and bow/arrows without first inventing IP?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 23, 2011, 11:03:31 AM
But Shane, they would have more incentive to make them, if they did have copyright laws, right? Right?

That's how a good democratic society works, after all.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 23, 2011, 12:25:47 PM
Yeah, I'm sure if they'd copyrighted the wheel, civilization would have taken right off! [/sarcasm]
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 23, 2011, 02:18:18 PM
Yeah, exactly!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 23, 2011, 02:25:27 PM
Especially perpetual copyrights and patents...what do these people honestly think the world would be like if we had to pay the descendants of Grog every time we made something with a wheel?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 23, 2011, 03:06:54 PM
Especially perpetual copyrights and patents...what do these people honestly think the world would be like if we had to pay the descendants of Grog every time we made something with a wheel?

My point exactly:  all research and creative innovation, invention and new art would grind to a halt.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 24, 2011, 04:14:21 AM
Quote from: Jacob H. Huebert
Ludwig von Mises was not concerned with natural rights, so he didn't run into this problem. He simply considered IP necessary to motivate people to create useful books and technological innovations. He wrote in Human Action that it is "unlikely that people would undertake the laborious task of writing" such things as "textbooks, manuals, handbooks, and other nonfiction works," if "everyone were free to reproduce them," and that it is "very probable that technological progress would be seriously retarded" if inventors and those who finance their work could not have a patent's help to recoup their expenses.[5] (http://mises.org/daily/5025#note5)
(Source of quote (http://mises.org/daily/5025))

By Mises' logic on IP, all businesses deserve handouts during their first few years in order to make up the huge fixed cost relative to variable costs that causes the average total cost per unit of output to be so high during the start of a business.  Same logic as IP.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 24, 2011, 04:29:39 AM
Dale Everett really hit the nail on the head with IP:

Quote from: Dale Everett
My own views of intellectual property are a bit nuanced.  I definitely don’t believe anyone is entitled to damages or restitution because someone copied, not stole, your shit.  In that sense, I’m completely anti-IP.  On the other hand, I believe in the notion of IP in the sense that you can own an idea to the extent that you can “protect it” without violence.  You can either keep it secret or you can do a good enough job of branding it or at least date-stamping it so others will have difficulty claiming it as their own.  That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be able to make money off of copies but it might help you to counter that and make the money yourself in a peaceful manner.  I’m also a big fan of people expanding on ideas and making them better.  I think claims of damages for copying are unreasonable and they impede that creative process which many consumers stand to benefit from.  I’m also a big fan of reverse-engineering actual physical products and making your own versions of them, possibly improved or just at a lower price.  Patents are bullshit.  This [the elimination of patents and patent laws] is something else that consumers stand to benefit greatly from.
(Source (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2010/07/16/guest-comic-by-the-muslim-anarchist/))

In another bit he also points out the absurdity of the utilitarian claim made by many IP proponents of the artist's or inventor's entitlement.  That is, they seem to be under the impression that you have a right to profit from your works.  Makes me wonder if they thought the bailouts were justified.  After all, not giving those failing companies bailouts would have violated their "right" to profit!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 25, 2011, 01:01:12 PM

This video is made of epic win.
Some samples would include the title: "We Don't Need No (Public) Education: Sheldon Richman on the Separation of School and State"
A bit in the beginning:  "It turns out children would be better off without be any education, than they would be with public schools."
Hence why I think the cost of government should be HIGHER than the accounting costs, AND why I think trying to take into account the "benefits" of government when calculating the cost is complete bullshit.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 25, 2011, 01:03:34 PM
"I have a gun. Break into my house and threaten my family and you'll find out just how much of a pacifist I am." --Lee Wrights
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 25, 2011, 01:25:26 PM
"The courts HATE jury nullification, because it means that just one person from the jury can decide that he doesn't like a law. They want to control the law and tell you what rules you should live by. I say TOUGH SHIT. Lets inform everyone about jury nullification to the point where the state becomes powerless to enforce anything, then we can create real, workable, polycentric law." --Fringeelements (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOQIfj2aarc)

Fringeelements may have a screw or two loose, but he does have his moments. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 25, 2011, 01:39:24 PM
Another example of him being uncharacteristically lucid:

"This will be a video response to TheAzov; but before getting into it, I just want to say that I don't think people who aggressively advocate for state action are good people.  I really don't.  They're evil people and deserve the worst, and so I have no plans to be kind to them.  I have no plans to stop being 'a dick,' as some have said.  They want to throw me in a cage and probably get raped if I don't go along with their plan [and/or] pay for the things they want, and then say that this brutality is social.  When clearly it is the definition of anti-social.  So no chivalry.  These people want to enslave me, because in their narcissism, they think that they can centrally plan better than the grand nexus of interactions of society." --Fringeelements, this video: from 0:00 to 0:52 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=654Nxou1ygY)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 26, 2011, 11:48:06 PM

Replace the talk of religion with talk of statism.
Replace the talk of interpreting the bible with talk of interpreting the US Constitution.

Then watch the above video.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 28, 2011, 09:30:01 AM
From FSBlueApocalypse's signature:

(http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/m1-garand-assembly/pictures/ribbon-sticker1.gif)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 28, 2011, 05:11:14 PM
"It would've been more accurate had Keynes been killed in the ring, then had his corpse propped up and awarded the heavyweight belt by the members of congress." --FletchforFreedom, his thoughts on this video: 
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 28, 2011, 05:38:06 PM
Fav quotes from the video itself:

"Creating employment’s a straightforward craft / When the nation’s at war, and there’s a draft / If every worker was staffed in the army and fleet / We’d have full employment—and nothing to eat!"

"The economy’s not a car, there’s no engine to stall / No expert can fix it, there’s no “it” at all / The economy’s us, we don’t need a mechanic / Put away the wrenches, the economy’s organic"

"People aren’t chessmen you move on a board / At your whim—their dreams and desires ignored"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 28, 2011, 05:44:54 PM
It should go without saying that the video (in particular, F.A. Hayek's lyrics), are also a fav quote.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 28, 2011, 10:39:54 PM
On Jacob Spinney's video response to TheAmazingAtheist's latest video on Ron Paul, I posted a comment saying that I've never seen Stargazer5781 get that irate at a YouTube video before.
Here is SG's response to me:
Quote from: Stargazer5781
@vspqbd I did get pretty pissed while I was watching TJ's video, but TJ was sort of the straw that broke the camel's back in a long series of progressives I've been encountering who absolutely refuse to criticize Obama's violent imperialistic policies, or at best say they're "disappointed." Apparently they love the poor so much that blowing up brown children overseas is ok as long as it's not done by a Republican. To ignore murder and make up stories about church and state infuriated me.

The video response Stargazer5781 made: 
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 29, 2011, 12:38:31 AM
"See this is what annoys me about you new atheists.  The vast majority of you support an authoritarian, paternalist, nanny state and yet you bitch and complain that your rights are being violated because there's a nativity scene in a public park come Christmas time" --Raymond Dundas, transcribed by Lord T Hawkeye
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 30, 2011, 05:12:55 PM
A classic by Fringeelements: 
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 30, 2011, 06:38:17 PM
"People who don't want you to think are never your friend." --TheraminTrees, top right of his channel page (http://www.youtube.com/TheraminTrees)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 01, 2011, 12:33:05 PM
"- Mewling about 'freedom of speech' will prompt me to introduce you to its twin brother, 'freedom of association'. In other words, you will be banned." --Guncriminal's 4th channel rule (http://www.youtube.com/Guncriminal)

Honestly, I will never understand how people like kDest (and other statist wankers) consider non-violent social ostracism (i.e. blocking on youtube or banning them from a forum) to be a "violation of the principles of libertarianism."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 02, 2011, 04:03:20 PM
"College is a racket." --Lord T Hawkeye
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 02, 2011, 04:19:10 PM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 03, 2011, 12:34:02 AM
"Be patient, Grasshopper.
With time comes Goatse." --Gumba Masta (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=724.msg8048#msg8048)

For making me laugh, naturally.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 03, 2011, 12:00:01 PM
error, delete this
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 03, 2011, 03:49:05 PM

Classic by FA Hayek.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 03, 2011, 03:54:36 PM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 04, 2011, 05:01:43 PM
"Fucking pussies out there killing Osama when the real men are at home watching my little pony [friendship is magic]!" --Eyeball117 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeJ6-gN0eB4)
For making me laugh hard enough to make my day.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 05, 2011, 01:14:36 AM
I was actually quite pleased with my (revised) comment on this video: 


"I always thought--and still think--that the people asking whether or not homosexuality, bi-sexuality and transgenderedness* are choices are putting the horse ahead of the carriage.  Before even asking the question of choice or not a choice, you first have to prove that they are bad/undesirable/immoral/etc. It should go without saying that simply asserting it and/or saying, 'because my religious text says so' does not count as proof."

*The strong overwhelming feelings of not belonging to your biological sex, not any sex-change operations, obviously.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 05, 2011, 05:46:44 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19169_the-7-most-impressively-lazy-employees-all-time.html

Almost everything is state related. Just amazing.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 05, 2011, 11:33:37 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19169_the-7-most-impressively-lazy-employees-all-time.html

Almost everything is state related. Just amazing.

Everything save for the second listed on (the office lady) and (possibly) the crematory service.
Dang.
Makes me wonder if some of the people in Cracked aren't closet libertarians.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 05, 2011, 07:33:22 PM
The funeral industry is heavily corporatized due to licensing and the fact that you can't bury your loved ones yourself.  You MUST go through them.  So they could count maybe.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 05, 2011, 07:36:56 PM
The funeral industry is heavily corporatized due to licensing and the fact that you can't bury your loved ones yourself.  You MUST go through them.  So they could count maybe.
Good enough for me.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 05, 2011, 10:18:27 PM
"@3VOLution3NO If we are made from dust, why is there still dust?" --JennyFarlopez, highest rated comment on this video as of this posting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXY-RfBS8o)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 07, 2011, 11:51:28 AM
"Political leaders in capitalist countries who cheer the collapse of socialism in other countries continue to favor socialist solutions in their own. They know the words, but they have not learned the tune." - Milton Friedman
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2011, 01:50:31 PM
"The day that online [gaming] has a functionality to somehow punch your friends through the internet is the day I begin caring about online gaming." --ChuggaaConroy (http://twitter.com/chuggaaconroy/statuses/66911682307440641)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 08, 2011, 04:38:06 AM
"Political leaders in capitalist countries who cheer the collapse of socialism in other countries continue to favor socialist solutions in their own. They know the words, but they have not learned the tune." - Milton Friedman
Reminds me of a variation I once made of that inspired by James Ostrowski.  I already posted it on this thread, but it basically was pointing out that, despite all of Reagan's talk about communism, he actions betrayed him being more concerned with creating a socialist state at home than stopping the spread of socialism abroad.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 08, 2011, 04:41:22 AM
"Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather...We will create a civilization of the Mind in Cyberspace. May it be more humane and fair than the world your governments have made before." --John Perry Barlow, A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace

The rest of it:  https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 08, 2011, 02:48:56 PM
http://mises.org/daily/5269
Very good article. :)
It also points out the inflation being higher thing.

Also in it is a fail quote (that Doug French didn't refute) I will add to the other thread.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 08, 2011, 05:37:52 PM
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels." - H.L. Mencken
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 08, 2011, 05:45:51 PM
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending  scoundrels." - H.L. Mencken

Not as big of scoundrels being defended as those defending the state.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 08, 2011, 09:29:12 PM
"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." --Benjamin Franklin
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 09, 2011, 08:11:16 AM
"Democracy, alas, is also a form of theology, and shows all the immemorial stigmata. Confronted by uncomfortable facts, it invariably tries to dispose of them by appeals to the highest sentiments of the human heart. An anti-democrat is not merely mistaken; he is also wicked, and the more plausible he is the more wicked he becomes." --H.L Mencken
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 09, 2011, 10:36:15 AM
And speaking of democracy: 
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 09, 2011, 09:21:22 PM
Ludwig von Mises: "Nobody is in a position to decree what should make a fellow man happier." --Human Action
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 09, 2011, 11:53:05 PM
"The individuals making up the state would have much to lose (in the short run, at least) from people losing their faith in government.  Just like the individuals making up the church have much to lose (at least in the short run) as people lose faith in gods." --Me during an AIM conversation with Lord T Hawkeye

I have my moments.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 10, 2011, 01:22:03 PM
Lots of great quotes from Princess Bride!

"You rush a miracle man, you get rotten miracles." --Miracle Max

And let's not forget this gem:  "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." --Inigo Montoya
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 11, 2011, 05:51:37 PM
"The only thing that Evil needs to conquer, is for good men to do the wrong thing." --Michael Cloud
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 11, 2011, 06:24:59 PM
"The only thing that Evil needs to conquer, is for good men to do the wrong thing." --Michael Cloud

Like support a monopolistic authoritarian government.

An awesome from Virgil0211:  "You have studied history, not economics. The mechanism by which markets work and how people respond to incentives is completely lost upon you, likely due to your inherent need to see anyone who makes more money than you as being inherently evil and less deserving than yourself."  from the comments of Shane's "Are you a libertarian?" video.

Having talked with someone who can't keep his words on topic for more than five seconds and who was a history major, I can definitely relate.
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Post by: MrBogosity on May 11, 2011, 07:12:25 PM
"Be wary of quotes on the internet; it is difficult to tell which ones are genuine." --Plato

(Also seen attributed to Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Edmund Burke, and Voltaire.)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 11, 2011, 07:54:55 PM
"Be wary of quotes on the internet; it is difficult to tell which ones are genuine." --Plato

(Also seen attributed to Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Edmund Burke, and Voltaire.)

A quote on the internet, telling us to be weary of quotes on the internet, and attributed to people who died before the internet.  That is just awesome. XD
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Post by: Virgil0211 on May 11, 2011, 10:17:51 PM
Like support a monopolistic authoritarian government.

An awesome from Virgil0211:  "You have studied history, not economics. The mechanism by which markets work and how people respond to incentives is completely lost upon you, likely due to your inherent need to see anyone who makes more money than you as being inherently evil and less deserving than yourself."  from the comments of Shane's "Are you a libertarian?" video.

Having talked with someone who can't keep his words on topic for more than five seconds and who was a history major, I can definitely relate.

D'awww. And here I was, hoping that some of my more scathing commentary would get chosen.

I just realized, I think I'm starting to sound like that food critic from Frasier.

And here's a quote from Star Trek Deep Space 9.

JAKE: Come on, Nog.
NOG: No.
JAKE: Why not?
NOG: It's my money, Jake. If you want to bid at the auction, use your own money.
JAKE: I'm human, I don't have any money.
NOG: It's not my fault that your species decided to abandon currency-based economics in favour of some philosophy of self-enhancement.
JAKE: Hey, watch it. There's nothing wrong with our philosophy. We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity.
NOG: What does that mean exactly?
JAKE: It means. It means we don't need money.
NOG: Well if you don't need money, then you certainly don't need mine.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 12, 2011, 12:07:55 PM
And here's a quote from Star Trek Deep Space 9.

JAKE: Come on, Nog.
NOG: No.
JAKE: Why not?
NOG: It's my money, Jake. If you want to bid at the auction, use your own money.
JAKE: I'm human, I don't have any money.
NOG: It's not my fault that your species decided to abandon currency-based economics in favour of some philosophy of self-enhancement.
JAKE: Hey, watch it. There's nothing wrong with our philosophy. We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity.
NOG: What does that mean exactly?
JAKE: It means. It means we don't need money.
NOG: Well if you don't need money, then you certainly don't need mine.
ZING!

A good one:  "Liberty is the mother, not the daughter of order."
Something that every anarcho capitalist believes, or they wouldn't have become anarchists. :3
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 12, 2011, 12:10:21 PM
And while I'm at it:  "@eirefrance No, IDIOT. From Da Vinci to Bernoulli, the principles behind heavier-than-air flight had been well-studied and it was known for a FACT that it was an engineering problem, NOT a question of the laws of physics. In fact, you HAVE to have the sound theory before you can even BEGIN implementation.

You have NO leg to stand on here AND YOU KNOW IT. You DELIBERATELY ask for the impossible because you know you can't win any other way." --Shane, in his "Are you a libertarian" video, (emphasis added by me).

Sound theory is something anarcho-capitalists/voluntaryists/etc have in spades; and have had for years.  Same can't be said for statists, they never even got their theory off the ground as far as logical consistency (much less empirical verification) goes.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 12, 2011, 04:56:20 PM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 12, 2011, 05:11:01 PM
"The problem with collectivist thinkers is that they presume themselves to occupy a non-existent sociologically analogous 'privileged reference frame' where they can observe social phenomena from an "outside," objective viewpoint, and dictate what 'society' is and what it and its values should be for everyone else. However 'networked' 'we' are, valuation originates in each individual mind and there is no escape from that reality. There is no 'social brain' despite the collectivist desire for it." --deepfriedsammich

To which Guncriminal responded with:  "I've noticed something similar, too, which might explain the repeated use of the various self-exclusion fallacies of collectivists. It's as if the collectivist making a statement is experiencing reality rather like you or I would watch a television screen - where what's going on on the screen has no relation with what's going on in the room the television is in."
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 13, 2011, 12:09:03 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-question-youre-not-asking-should-you-go-to-college/

Here's the message overall I'm getting about college, shaped by many sources, in the USA, at least.

If you are going to go into something health care related (especially nursing, biomedical engineering, doctor, etc), go for it.  Assuming you're competent and a hard and honest worker, you'll be fine, maybe even with the debt.
If you're going into something else, but that will still give you a marketable skill set--Non medical engineering, accounting, architecture, etc--go for it, but maybe not take on the debt, just in case, as the economy still somewhat shaky in those areas.
If you're not going into either of those, either stick to a 2 year degree, high school vocational education (read: a trade school or something) or stick to jobs that don't even need that:  save your hard earned money.

You might be wondering why I didn't mention Software Engineering, despite the hot job it's been lately.  Well, I did once hear from an engineering professor that unless you're young and budding and very good at it, you probably shouldn't bother.  Maybe.
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Post by: MrBogosity on May 13, 2011, 06:43:00 AM
Another thing to look at is an internship, where you work for free for a period of time to gain experience and work history.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 14, 2011, 09:01:46 AM
Indeed.


"Innovators and creative geniuses cannot be reared in schools [much less public schools]. They are precisely the men who defy what the school has taught them."

— Ludwig von Mises, in Human Action


You gotta love Mises.
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Post by: Gumba Masta on May 14, 2011, 05:27:16 PM
Cand this go into the fav quotes?

http://fukung.net/v/35130/7cc53ebd00025cba5f520aa960c3adb2.png
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 14, 2011, 05:29:24 PM
Cand this go into the fav quotes?

http://fukung.net/v/35130/7cc53ebd00025cba5f520aa960c3adb2.png

"Can't" is the word you're looking for mister Masta. :P

And yes, because that was fucking awesome. :D
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 15, 2011, 10:21:18 AM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 15, 2011, 02:34:16 PM
"So you're suggesting that allowing someone to choose between having a job for lower than MW or unemployment is slavery, as opposed to forcing them into unemployment with no choice at all? Where’s the logic in that?" --Fernoe, highest rated comment on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOGezJDF5Sk) as of this posting
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Post by: MrBogosity on May 15, 2011, 03:40:21 PM
"I think the vast majority of the 'you're censoring me!' bs is coming from people who haven't quite wrapped their heads around the idea that people who disagree with them have just as much right to speak as they do." --zEropoint68, in this the comments of this video (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=TJONtBAGuto)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 15, 2011, 04:08:28 PM
I also liked the first part too:

"As far as liars, I think you should block on the first lie. Scorched earth for dishonesty and no shit.
There is nothing that can make a liar tell the truth. Nuh Thing."

I would also add that many people throwing that "censorship!" stuff out don't seem aware of freedom of speech's twin brother, freedom of association.
And in some extreme cases seem to think that "freedom of speech" is meant as a positive right, which it isn't.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 18, 2011, 02:17:31 PM

I love it when Stef does videos like this. :)
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Post by: MrBogosity on May 18, 2011, 06:32:06 PM
"I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I’m not afraid of death, but I’m in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first. I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark." --Stephen Hawking
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 19, 2011, 12:57:34 AM

I love it when Stef does videos like this. :)

The reason for this one?  Because it's nice to see some people finally taking on the psychological aspect of statism.

Another good one:  "There is, in fact, only one solution: the state, the government, the laws must not in any way concern themselves with schooling or education. Public funds must not be used for such purposes. The rearing and instruction of youth must be left entirely to parents and to private associations and institutions."

— Ludwig von Mises, in Liberalism
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2011, 09:31:43 PM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_economic_argument.png)

And the mouse-over text: "Not to be confused with 'making money selling this stuff to OTHER people who think it works', which corporate accountants and actuaries have zero problems with."
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 22, 2011, 11:38:57 PM
The top rated comments (as of this posting) on this video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x36kWkB1CD0)

"@S0chan I think the non-aggression principle is a great argument. It's contradictory to be opposed to the initiation of violence (outside threats) while at the same time being in favour of the initiation of violence (government)." --Gu3rr1lla

"Anarchy is not a radical view. The notion that government will fix your problems is the radical view. The notion that immoral men or women will not desire political office to attain power is insane" --kroovyandcal
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 24, 2011, 11:40:09 AM
Jacob Spinney initiates epic win once again: 
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 28, 2011, 01:11:31 AM
http://mises.org/daily/5300
The entire article.
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Post by: MrBogosity on May 28, 2011, 08:10:42 AM
Even just the first line, her proposed tombstone epitaph: "I Lived. I Died. Now Mind Your Own Business."

(Not as awesome as Harry Browne's, though.)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 28, 2011, 11:29:15 AM
Even just the first line, her proposed tombstone epitaph: "I Lived. I Died. Now Mind Your Own Business."

(Not as awesome as Harry Browne's, though.)

What's Harry Browne's?
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Post by: MrBogosity on May 28, 2011, 11:42:48 AM
What's Harry Browne's?

"I didn't do everything I wanted to do, I didn't become everything I wanted to be. But because I aimed for the stars, I reached the top of the world."

I thought I'd made that a Fav Quote awhile ago.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2011, 03:51:32 AM
"I didn't do everything I wanted to do, I didn't become everything I wanted to be. But because I aimed for the stars, I reached the top of the world."
That's win. :)

I thought I'd made that a Fav Quote awhile ago.
Maybe, but when the thread reaches over 63 pages long of posts, it's really anyone's guess at this point.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2011, 03:59:28 AM
Stefan Molyneux definitely has his moments:

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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2011, 04:06:08 AM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2011, 04:08:21 AM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2011, 04:37:38 PM
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Post by: MrBogosity on May 31, 2011, 06:59:11 AM
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it." --Upton Sinclair

[Note: I'm hardly a fan of this guy, but when you've got a good one, you've got a good one]
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Post by: MrBogosity on June 01, 2011, 06:17:38 PM
An oldie but a goodie:

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Post by: MrBogosity on June 01, 2011, 06:21:28 PM
Actually, I do think he got #7 wrong. It should have been: "Economists are more stupid than governments."
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Post by: MrBogosity on June 02, 2011, 06:44:05 AM
"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters." --FDR, letter to Luther Steward, 16 August 1937

Geez, if even FDR understood this, what's people's problem today?
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 03, 2011, 08:20:14 AM
After hearing about Indiana ruling on warrentless searches and the supreme court backing it up...

Government is that kid nobody wanted to play with because he'd always change the rules to make sure he always wins - my friend Wraith
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Post by: Virgil0211 on June 03, 2011, 10:14:56 AM
After hearing about Indiana ruling on warrentless searches and the supreme court backing it up...

Government is that kid nobody wanted to play with because he'd always change the rules to make sure he always wins - my friend Wraith

I had a friend who was friends with someone like that once. He also happened to be a socially conservative/economically liberal southern Baptist who claimed I was going to hell because I watched anime and said "damn" (which provided a bit of fun when I tricked him into saying fuck).
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Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2011, 07:56:43 PM
This entire article:  http://www.cracked.com/article_19248_6-uneducated-amateurs-whose-genius-changed-world.html
Especially numbers 4 and 6.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 08, 2011, 06:13:41 PM
“Okay, here it is--the best answer you can have: I don’t know. If I did know, I wouldn’t tell you. When I DO know, what I know will change, so I won’t really know then either. And then it will change again, so I still won’t really know. And if, secretly, I’d really known all along, I’d still be telling you I don’t know, because everything I said I knew, could be wrong, so I’d never really have known in the first place.

“Quantum security--I don’t know AND it’s a secret.

“I’m glad I’ve been able to clarify this for you.” --Steven Moffat, on when the 2012 series of Doctor Who will be aired
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Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2011, 06:40:21 PM
“Okay, here it is--the best answer you can have: I don’t know. If I did know, I wouldn’t tell you. When I DO know, what I know will change, so I won’t really know then either. And then it will change again, so I still won’t really know. And if, secretly, I’d really known all along, I’d still be telling you I don’t know, because everything I said I knew, could be wrong, so I’d never really have known in the first place.

“Quantum security--I don’t know AND it’s a secret.

“I’m glad I’ve been able to clarify this for you.” --Steven Moffat, on when the 2012 series of Doctor Who will be aired

Best description of quantum mechanics ever.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 08, 2011, 07:22:49 PM
Best description of quantum mechanics ever.

And of econometrics.
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 09, 2011, 07:03:27 PM
A rather harsh lecture I sent to Nightmare060 after he blew off all my evidence for the umpteenth time and tried to claim the moral high ground

"The only proper comparison you can make to defend your position is to compare it to what it was like before and you refuse.  Why?  Are afraid you'll turn out to be wrong?  Is your ego really worth more to you than the well being of others who may in fact be getting ripped off by your government whom you refuse to see nothing but the good in despite all evidence?

This is why I say you don't give two shits about sick people.  Just like all the cavemen who defend the state, you care about getting your precious goodies and aren't bothered in the slightest by who gets hurt in the process.  Why else would you harp on insurance companies for denying coverage yet make excuses when your government outright denies care of any kind to people who need it?  How cold can you get?

Look back at your words REALLY carefully.  Your arguments all rely on your government to be incorruptible and if you believe that, you've got some serious balls calling ME naive."
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Post by: Travis Retriever on June 09, 2011, 09:29:53 PM
"Republicans are all for smaller government...until they get into office. Just like Obama was against the Patriot Act...until he got into office. Whatever party is in power seeks to gain more power while whoever is not in power seeks to keep that power in check...at least until they come into power. It's a vicious circle.
NADER 2012!!!
(oh, I am sooo kidding with that last bit :P )" --MrHoover3000 in the comments of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBavo8IIVCM)
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Post by: AnCap Dave on June 10, 2011, 07:28:44 PM
"Religion wants life to be a fate worse than death." - Pat Condell.

When he's not being a racist knob and sticks with the problem religion brings, he gives us some good quotes from time to time.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on June 10, 2011, 07:56:18 PM
"Religion wants life to be a fate worse than death." - Pat Condell.

When he's not being a racist knob and sticks with the problem religion brings, he gives us some good quotes from time to time.
Islam is not a race, but I still get your point.  It's kind of annoying listening to him blather on about Islam while ignoring the whole military interventionism on the West's part and its role in this and that.
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Post by: MrBogosity on June 10, 2011, 09:33:06 PM
"If I had never lived, someone else would probably have formulated the principle of determinacy. If Beethoven had never lived, no one would have written Opus 111." --Werner Heisenberg
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Post by: MrBogosity on June 12, 2011, 02:05:53 PM
"If we accept the illusion of group rights, we also accept the legitimacy of tyranny. That is why when it comes to human rights, no number is greater than one." --R. Lee Wrights
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Post by: MrBogosity on June 15, 2011, 01:05:52 PM
"Our politicians, left and right, are, to belabor the metaphor, the wastrel son: they are free to spend, to chase fantasies, and to squander resources, for the resources are not theirs, and there is no penalty for their misuse or loss." --David Mamet
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Post by: Travis Retriever on June 16, 2011, 02:01:14 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-life-actually-does-get-better/
John Cheese is really on a roll.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on June 17, 2011, 05:22:51 PM
"College is a racket." --Any sensible person
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Post by: MrBogosity on June 20, 2011, 12:42:24 PM
"It's 'all great men have great women way out in front of them.' Or it SHOULD be." --Steven Moffat
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Post by: Travis Retriever on June 20, 2011, 02:24:51 PM
(http://files.sharenator.com/if_browsers_were_women_If_browsers_were_women-s569x1250-12173-580.jpg)
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Post by: MrBogosity on June 21, 2011, 06:51:28 AM
"ALL free speech is offensive. Speech that is not offensive to anyone doesn't ever have to be defended because no one is opposing it. The only way to have free speech is for people to be offended." --Yours Truly

#2 top-rated comment in this video:

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Post by: Travis Retriever on June 23, 2011, 10:44:18 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-types-friend-everyone-needs/
Though #4 is kind of a sore spot for me because I really don't know an engineering people.
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Post by: MrBogosity on June 24, 2011, 07:07:03 PM
I got booed for saying this, so it's probably true:

"Give a man a fish and he'll eat a meal. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for life. Teach a man to fish in a public school and he'll only learn one method of fishing that probably doesn't even work."
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Post by: AnCap Dave on June 24, 2011, 07:41:01 PM
Pretty much every quote by Sheogorath in The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, notably in the Shivering Isles expansion. Here is one sample:

Quote
"Optimism! How adorable! I love it! Even at the end, you make me laugh. I'm lying. That wasn't funny at all. No matter. Soon you and everyone else will be dead, and I will be left a mad god, ruler of a dead realm. Again."

You can read a few more here:
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Shivering:Sheogorath

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Post by: Travis Retriever on June 24, 2011, 09:22:49 PM
I got booed for saying this, so it's probably true:

"Give a man a fish and he'll eat a meal. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for life. Teach a man to fish in a public school and he'll only learn one method of fishing that probably doesn't even work."

True that.
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Post by: MrBogosity on June 26, 2011, 08:44:47 AM
Win!

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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 29, 2011, 07:54:19 AM
"We shouldn't be asked for our papers"

Response: When you legitimize the state you have ceded all shoulds or should nots. you have ceded control and personal sovereignty. it's like putting a bunch of hungry great whites in an olympic swimming pool, jumping in, and then saying, "they shouldnt have bit me!"

once you create the extortion racket then expect nothing less than for its members to get completely power hungry and out of control.
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Post by: MrBogosity on June 29, 2011, 02:01:05 PM
"For me, the most ironic token of that moment in history is the plaque signed by Richard Nixon that Apollo 11 took to the Moon. It reads: 'We came in peace for all mankind.' As the United States was dropping 7.5 megatons of conventional explosives on small nations in Southeast Asia, we congratulated ourselves on our humanity: We would harm no one on a lifeless rock." --Carl Sagan
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Post by: MrBogosity on July 02, 2011, 10:23:10 AM
This is a great movie for Independence Day, and it's full of fav quotes: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068156/

Adams: I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace, that two are called a law firm, and that three or more become a Congress!

Adams: A second flood, a simple famine, plagues of locusts everywhere / Or a cataclysmic earthquake I'd accept with some dispair / But no, you sent us Congress--good God sir, was that fair?

Adams: You've had a whole week! The entire Earth was created in a week!
Jefferson: Someday, you must tell me how you did it.

Adams: This is a revolution, damn it! We're going to have to offend SOMEBODY!

Adams: I won't be in the history books anyway, only you. Franklin did this and Franklin did that and Franklin did some other damn thing. Franklin smote the ground and out sprang George Washington, fully grown and on his horse. Franklin then electrified him with his miraculous lightning rod and the three of them--Franklin, Washington, and the horse--conducted the entire revolution all by themselves.
Franklin: I like it.

Franklin: A rebellion is always legal in the first person, such as "our rebellion." It is only in the third person--"their rebellion"--that it becomes illegal.

Hancock: Gentlemen, forgive me if I don't join in the merriment, but if we're arrested now, my name is STILL THE ONLY ONE ON THE DAMN THING!

Lee: You've come to the one colony that can get job done: Virginia--the land that gave us our glorious commander in chief, George Washington, will now give the Congress its proposal on independence. And where Virginia proposes, the south is bound to follow. And where the south goes, the middle colonies go! Gentlemen, a salute to Virginia, the mother of American independence!
Adams: Incredible--we're free and he hasn't even left yet!

Adams: How long is this piddling to go on? We have been here for three solid days! We have endured, by my count, more than eighty-five separate changes and the removal of close to four hundred words. Now, would you whip it and beat it 'til you break its spirit? I tell you, that document is a masterful expression of the American mind!

Rutledge: Mr. Adams, once we achieve independence, who do you propose would rule in South Carolina?
Adams: The people, of course.
Rutledge: Which people, sir? The people of South Carolina, or the people of Massachusetts?

Franklin: Never was such a valuable possession so stupidly and recklessly managed, than this entire continent by the British crown. Our industry discouraged, our resources pillaged...worst of all, our very character stifled. We've spawned a new race here, Mr. Dickinson: rougher, simpler, more violent, more enterprising, less refined. We're a new nationality. We require a new nation.

Hall: Mr. President, Georgia seems to be split right down the middle on this issue: the people are against it, and I'm for it.

Rutledge: Mr. Adams is now calling our black slaves "Americans!" Are they, now?
Adams: Yes, they are: they're people, and they're here. If there's any other requirement, I haven't heard it.
Rutledge: They are here, yes, but they are not people sir, they are property.
Jefferson: No, sir they are people who are being TREATED as property!

Franklin: [to Adams, on the slavery issue] The issue here is independence! Perhaps you've forgotten that fact, but I have not! How DARE you jeopardize our cause when we've come so far! These men, no matter how much we may disagree with them, are not ribbon clerks to be ordered about! They're proud, accomplished men, the cream of their colonies. And whether you like it or not, they and the people they represent will be part of this new nation that you hope to create! Now, either learn how to live with them, or pack up and go home! In any case, stop acting like a Boston fishwife.

Adams: Mark me, Franklin: if we give in on this issue [slavery], posterity will never forgive us.
Franklin: That's probably true, but we won't hear a thing. We'll be long gone. Besides, what would posterity think we were? Demigods? We're men, no more no less, trying to get a nation started against greater odds than a more generous God would have allowed. First things first, John: Independence, America. If we don't secure that, what difference will the rest make?

Adams: I see fireworks / I see the pageant and pomp and parade / I hear the bells ringing out / I hear the cannons roar / I see Americans--ALL Americans free / Forever more

LOTS of others that I'll probably think of later...
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Post by: MrBogosity on July 03, 2011, 08:06:27 PM
"He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them to slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportations thither. This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN King of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distiguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms against us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another."

--Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence (removed at the insistence of South Carolina delegates)
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Post by: MrBogosity on July 04, 2011, 07:58:30 AM
"In addition to legal rights, many same-sex couples seek formal state 'recognition' of their marriages.  Opponents fear this would tarnish state recognition of theirs. To both sides, I ask, do you really want your marriage blessed by the government? I’d sooner have mine blessed by the Keystone Kops." --Richard Maybury
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 05, 2011, 03:48:47 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19317_7-pieces-good-news-nobody-reporting.html
:)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 05, 2011, 09:13:43 PM
"The lesser of two evils is still evil, and the enemy of my enemy does not make him my friend." - Penn Jillette

One of his better quotes from an episode of Bullshit.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 06, 2011, 12:51:35 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19283_7-ancient-forms-mysticism-that-are-recent-inventions.html
I know a guy who's into tarot, and another who's a satanist.  Should they ever bring them up to me, I'll link them to this. ^_^
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 07, 2011, 01:45:39 PM
"To say that a bad government must be established for fear of anarchy is really saying that we should kill ourselves for fear of dying." --Richard Henry Lee
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 08, 2011, 11:03:49 AM
Nothing really political or science related, but a great quote none the less.

"I have wined and dined with kings and queens, and I've slept in alleys and dined on pork and beans. I have run the gauntlet. I have done it all and still today The Dream stands tall." - "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes.


I'd also like to throw in the Hard Times promo.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 11, 2011, 06:49:05 PM
"There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose." --John Maynard Keynes
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 12, 2011, 10:41:14 AM
This entire article: The Wasted Vote Lie by Lee Wrights (http://wrights2012.com/2011/07/the-wasted-vote-lie/)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 12, 2011, 11:53:13 AM
This entire article: The Wasted Vote Lie by Lee Wrights (http://wrights2012.com/2011/07/the-wasted-vote-lie/)

Great article. Posted it on facebook. Of course it already received one response:

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Yeah but it works. Power lies where people believe it to be. It the people perceive power to be in a certain place then that mass perception of power is little different then power itself. The lie has become the truth.

While it is true that any good con can work on the masses, eventually, once you expose it for what it is, people come around and realize that they've been duped the entire time.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 12, 2011, 12:00:15 PM
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Yeah but it works. Power lies where people believe it to be. It the people perceive power to be in a certain place then that mass perception of power is little different then power itself. The lie has become the truth.

So he believes in the Law of Attraction?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 14, 2011, 05:04:35 PM
I always did like Judge Napolitano.


Unfortunately though, a lot of Americans DO want to see the debt ceiling raised, not because raising the debt limit is a good thing, but because they were fooled by the scare mongers in the media and in government who told them that if we don't do this then this country would spiral down into economic Armageddon, despite the fact that there isn't a shred of evidence that shows this. What people should realize is that Washington isn't trying to raise the debt ceiling, but rather the spending limit of this country. Increasing this "debt ceiling" is nothing more than a means for which the government can spend as frivolously as they want like they always will.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 15, 2011, 04:42:52 PM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2011, 10:34:37 PM
http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/41220169/ (Original Source (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMOAbWcpKQ)) ("The State as Family")
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2011, 10:47:23 PM
Another good one by Lord T Hawkeye:  http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/39445734/ ("Why are you still a statist?")
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2011, 12:12:51 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-question-youre-not-asking-should-you-go-to-college/
Have I posted this already?  If so, my bad.  This is one of the best articles on that entire site.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2011, 10:20:04 AM
In honor of all the talk of raising the government's debt ceiling, I figured I should post this: 
http://mises.org/daily/5000
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 16, 2011, 10:20:23 AM

I've always liked John Stossel.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 16, 2011, 05:46:33 PM

This parody of Alex Jones made me lol so god damned hard.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 18, 2011, 09:22:17 AM
FINALLY some sense on this issue:

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Post by: MrBogosity on July 18, 2011, 09:57:35 AM
"The problem today is that we don't have much of a national defense. We can't protect this country against any two-bit dictator who gets his hands on a nuclear missile. What we do have is a giant national offense! We have the ability to annihilate any country in the world. We have troops in almost 100 countries of the world as though we were the occupying Roman army. We have bullied other countries into coming to Washington and agreeing to settlements that the President of the United States thinks is good for them. And, of course, we've been bombing countries around the world. It's no wonder that terrorists are trying to attack our country! They don't like our foreign policy. They don't like the idea that we are running their countries, and they want to influence our foreign policy. And the only way they know how to do that is by blowing up the World Trade Center or whatever. If we would simply butt out of other countries' affairs, then other countries would be much less anxious to come over here and try to terrorize us."

--Harry Browne, 3 July 2000 (14 months before 9/11)

How much different would our country be today if he'd been elected?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 18, 2011, 01:33:30 PM
"An essential point in the social philosophy of interventionism is the existence of an inexhaustible fund which can be squeezed forever. The whole system of interventionism collapses when the fountain is drained off: The Santa Clause principle liquidates itself." - Ludwig von Mises

Campaign of Liberty quoting Mises was a nice surprise.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 18, 2011, 03:02:41 PM
Except that I doubt very much Mises misspelled "Santa Claus."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 18, 2011, 03:05:23 PM
Except that I doubt very much Mises misspelled "Santa Claus."

Hmm...never caught that. Then again, I've seen it spelled both ways commonly before.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2011, 03:30:07 PM
"An essential point in the social philosophy of interventionism is the existence of an inexhaustible fund which can be squeezed forever. The whole system of interventionism collapses when the fountain is drained off: The Santa Claus principle liquidates itself." - Ludwig von Mises

Campaign of Liberty quoting Mises was a nice surprise.

True that. Thereby observing that the military interventionist conservatives are about as "small government and free market" as Stalin.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 19, 2011, 08:17:33 AM
Matt Dillahunty in drag is WIN--and his opening argument about how people don't fit in boxes is DEFINITELY a Fav Quote:

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 19, 2011, 01:19:54 PM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 20, 2011, 09:15:14 AM
This is REAL patriotism: http://yfrog.com/klz2lqqj

"Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole COUNTRY decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences.

"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world--

"No, YOU move."

--Captain America
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on July 20, 2011, 03:19:01 PM
I've never read any of the Cap's comic books, but i sure as hell am exited about the upcoming movie. Hopefully that one has some of these thrown in there.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 20, 2011, 03:39:08 PM
Again, not political or science related, but awesome none the less.

Before the cutting edge promos CM Punk put out a few weeks ago, we had arguably the greatest heel turn promo ever.

This was roughly back in 2005, possibly 2006. CM Punk had just faced Austin Aries for the ROH World Championship and won it after an amazing match. Everyone knew CM Punk would be leaving the company soon so he decided to cut a promo. What started off as a celebration with the fans suddenly turned into the greatest heel turn of all time.


Here is part of the promo transcribed for you guys:
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"This belt, in the hands of any other man, is just a belt. In my hands it becomes power. Just like this microphone, in the hands of any of the boys in the back, is just a microphone. You put it in the hands of a dangerous man like myself and it becomes a pipe bomb. These words that I speak, spoken by anybody else but me are simply words strung together and loosely formed into sentences. What I say I mean and what I mean I say and they become anthems! You see if I could be afforded the time to tell all of you here today a little bit of a story. It's a parable of sorts.

There was once an old man, walking home from work; he was walking in the snow, and he stumbled upon a snake frozen in the ice. He took that snake and he brought it home and he took care of it and he thawed it out and he nursed it back to health. And as soon as that snake was well enough it bit that old man. And as the old man lay there dying he asked the snake, 'Why? I took care of you. I loved you. I saved your life.' And that snake looked that man right in the eye and said, 'You stupid old man. I'm a snake.'

The greatest thing the devil ever did was make you people believe that he didn't exist. And you're looking at him right now. I am the devil himself! And all of you stupid mindless people fell for it!"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 20, 2011, 05:37:06 PM
The snake story is pure bogosity, by the way. Snakes only bite people when they're threatened.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 20, 2011, 06:07:49 PM
The snake story is pure bogosity, by the way. Snakes only bite people when they're threatened.

To be fair, pro wrestling is pure bogosity. Doesn't stop it from being awesome.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 20, 2011, 06:09:17 PM
To be fair, pro wrestling is pure bogosity. Doesn't stop it from being awesome.

I know, but I've ALWAYS hated that story. It's used by people as an excuse for passing judgement on others without rational reason.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 20, 2011, 06:13:03 PM
I know, but I've ALWAYS hated that story. It's used by people as an excuse for passing judgement on others without rational reason.

Oh....

Really, this promo is the only time I've ever heard the story. Didn't know it was a well known story.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 20, 2011, 08:50:55 PM
Lee Wrights is always good for a fav quote: "We should strive to see no color in others or ourselves. We should be so busy looking inward; we have no time to notice the colors of our skins."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 21, 2011, 09:13:07 PM

"Many rightly worry about corporate monopolies, but the biggest monopoly on Earth is the United States government." - Jack Hunter
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 22, 2011, 03:45:33 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_16852_5-government-programs-that-backfired-horrifically.html

http://www.cracked.com/article_17216_the-5-most-popular-safety-laws-that-dont-work.html

http://www.cracked.com/article_18600_6-laws-that-were-great-paper-and-insane-everywhere-else.html
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on July 22, 2011, 06:52:44 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_16852_5-government-programs-that-backfired-horrifically.html

http://www.cracked.com/article_17216_the-5-most-popular-safety-laws-that-dont-work.html

http://www.cracked.com/article_18600_6-laws-that-were-great-paper-and-insane-everywhere-else.html

Now go and read some of the comments in these 3, for some nice Fail Quotes.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 22, 2011, 11:52:23 PM
Seems Nick Gillespie was on Real Time tonight, should be a good source of Fail and Fav quotes
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 22, 2011, 11:52:59 PM
Seems Nick Gillespie was on Real Time tonight, should be a good source of Fail and Fav quotes

They actually had a segment trying to defend socialism, and I don't mean not calling it socialism but it's still socialism anyway. Straight up socialism. I'm not even kidding.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 23, 2011, 12:07:21 AM
They actually had a segment trying to defend socialism, and I don't mean not calling it socialism but it's still socialism anyway. Straight up socialism. I'm not even kidding.
Because clearly the fact that it has failed every single time it has been tried without exception wasn't enough.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 23, 2011, 01:39:21 AM
Now go and read some of the comments in these 3, for some nice Fail Quotes.

Alternatively, go here (http://www.youtube.com/SecularNumanist) for some good Fav Quotes (not all are fav's but many are).
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 23, 2011, 07:19:57 AM
Because clearly the fact that it has failed every single time it has been tried without exception wasn't enough.

Yeah, they tried to pull off the old, "sacrificing and sharing" bullshit. Nick Gillespie asked Bill Maher if he was willing to sacrifice and share his cars because he doesn't need more than 1. The rest of the panel looked at him with absolute confusion.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 24, 2011, 07:30:58 PM
WIN:

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 24, 2011, 07:47:19 PM
WIN:


My only complaint with that video is the volume is way too low. I had to turn my AC off, put on headphones, and turn the volume up all the way just to be able to barely make out what he was saying. I could be going deaf, but they should still increase the volume at least a little bit.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 24, 2011, 08:04:23 PM
Yeah, it was really quiet for me, too.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 25, 2011, 07:09:06 AM
Epic Win from our own Lord T Hawkeye:

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 25, 2011, 12:10:45 PM
Hey, I was a tad unsatisfied with it.  Thought I was rambling too much.  But then, I tend to be my own worst critic most of the time.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 26, 2011, 02:50:08 PM

"When seconds count, police are just minutes away." - Mark Grannis
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 27, 2011, 02:50:35 PM
 Another case where TJ got it right.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 29, 2011, 08:07:19 PM
Me responding to a fail quote

Me: Psh, though they loudly like to proclaim otherwise, governments LOVE communism. Means more power to them. They just don't like OTHER communist governments for the same reason that the Bloods don't like the Crips.

Him: That's some more bullshit, Communism is a social state in which the state has become obsolete, and thus abolished. Learn some.

Me: That's what's promised. That's not what's ever delivered. You see, the people who preach them have this strange habit of always ending up making out like bandits while everyone else winds up worse off in the end.

If you need me to spell it out for you: communism is a scam.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 29, 2011, 10:23:36 PM
"I mean, spend 10 minutes on the phone with an Austrian economist.  It's a 1-900 number, it's the worst phone sex you'll ever have, but you will learn something important."--Stefan Molyneux @7:41 in this video:
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 30, 2011, 01:50:22 AM
Ooh, more and now it really gets nasty

Communist: Rule #12 of anti-Communist conduct:

Claim that Marxism is utopian because of its description of a possible future society. Alternately claim that Marxism failed because it never gave a detailed description of how a Communist society would look. Do not pay attention to the massive contradiction here.


Me: I did nothing of the sort. I pointed out that marxism promises equality and prosperity for all and always delivers the complete opposite and last I checked, appealing to emperical evidence is not a fallacious argument. I don't care what an ideology says, talk is cheap. I care about what it does and what communism has done thus far is both tragic and grotesque.

However, if you still insist your ideology's ultimate goal is to do away with government, riddle me this.

In your communist world, what happens to dissenters? What if I don't want to give up my property for the "Good of the collective"? What happens to me?

If your answer involves taking it by force, congratulations! You're now a government! oops!

If you somehow think you can get people to give up their property voluntarily for the "good of the collective", I fear you'll find yourself sadly disappointed. The problems of the world need to be solved with logic and rationality, not with wishful thinking.

So which is it? Statelessness in name alone? Or the megalomaniacal belief that you can bend all human minds to your way of thinking? Either way, it's pretty sinister as I see it.


Communist: Listen, I already explained to you that I don't deny the necessity of force. In my "Communist world," dissenters don't get to steal communal property- if they don't like what they see, and do not want to live there, they have the right to get the hell out. Property WILL be abolished by force, opposition will be brushed aside, by peaceable means if possible, armed opposition will be liquidated. I never tried to hide this in our first talk, and I will reiterate: coercion is an essential weapon in meeting ANY political or social ends.
Also, not all coercion is the work of a government- some of this coercion, conducted by the political will of the majority, is GOOD coercion. When you utilize force to achieve an end, it doesn't make you a villain, but rather, if the end is worthwhile: a hero. "Good," I mean of course, in the relative sense. Violence is never "good" but using violence to live is better than abandoning violence to die. Likewise, using violence to create a superior order is better than settling for a shitty one that doesn't require violence. Catch my drift?


Me: So let's see, you DO support institutionalized violence (as long as you benefit from it of course) so your claim to support statelessness was a bold faced lie.

You argue that violence is good when done by the political elite yet declare that any opposition should be liquidated which is blatant special pleading and really quite shitty, cult behavior when you get right down it.

Conclusion: you're a self entitled bully who thinks disagreeing with your views is just cause to shoot someone in the head.

Get help, you are not well at all. Arguing that violence to force your views on people is not moral. That's psychotic.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 30, 2011, 06:14:30 AM

I do believe Lord T Hawkeye is on a roll. ^_^
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 01, 2011, 06:57:07 PM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 02, 2011, 12:18:09 PM
I still love this quote from Torchwood: Children of Earth. Good Science Fiction is always meant to work on different levels; I think RTD wanted us to substitute "God" for "the Doctor."

"There's one thing I always meant to ask Jack, back in the old days. I wanted to know about that Doctor of his, the man who appears out of nowhere and saves the world. Except sometimes he doesn't. All those times in history, when there was no sign of him. I wanted to know why not. But I don't need to ask anymore, I know the answer now. Somtimes the Doctor must look at this planet and turn away in shame."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 02, 2011, 03:27:45 PM
Another great one from Reason.TV:

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 02, 2011, 03:51:40 PM
That was a great video. Posted it on Facebook. I'm patiently waiting for the replies.

Nick Gillespie did a hell of a job on Bill Maher's show. ReasonTV were kind enough to put his entire time on the show in one video.

Pretty much any time one of the other members of the panel and Bill Maher open their mouth, you could move that to fail quotes.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 02, 2011, 05:51:53 PM
Color me shocked. There actually was a point where Bill Maher wasn't an insane socialist fucktard! Speaking of which, Joe Rogan isn't being unbearable either! I wonder when the exact date was that these two turned off their tolerable switches. Actually it kind of makes him look like a hypocrite in the previous video.

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 05, 2011, 01:07:20 PM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/mac_pc.png)

Epic win. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 06, 2011, 08:04:28 AM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 06, 2011, 08:27:35 AM

I always did like Judge Napolitano.


"You can't make something illegal for an adult just because it would be harmful for a child, otherwise we would all be living and acting like children." - Judge Napolitano
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 07, 2011, 01:52:17 PM
"So sadly lost in all the political prancing of partisan posturing is the fact that, great or small, voting for evil begets evil. Always has… always will. As long as we continue to vote for the lesser of two evils, evil always wins. Nothing else has a chance to win but evil." --R. Lee Wrights
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 09, 2011, 11:16:24 AM
"I am not surprised that Standard & Poor's downgraded the U.S. government's credit rating from AAA to AA+. After all, why should the government have good 'credit' when the politicians who run it have no credibility?" --Jim Babka
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 09, 2011, 11:30:31 AM
"I am not surprised that Standard & Poor's downgraded the U.S. government's credit rating from AAA to AA+. After all, why should the government have good 'credit' when the politicians who run it have no credibility?" --Jim Babka

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d168/IronFury51488/fukkensaved-1.png)

A Scottish friend of mine on Facebook had this to say in regards to the riots happening in England:
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"The unthinking hypocrisy of this country makes me laugh too though. People are outraged about the destruction in London, but the vast majority still go with the "support the troops" propaganda as they do a million times worse to innocent people overseas for nothing. But I guess it's okay because they wear uniforms and get given orders so can't be held responsible. Plus, people don't have the BBC to tell them that it's abhorrent and wrong, and God forbid that anyone should think for themselves."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 09, 2011, 12:02:30 PM
I heard about the riots in London but wasn't able to read the paper at work due to it being busy.  What were the riots all about?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 09, 2011, 12:05:30 PM
I heard about the riots in London but wasn't able to read the paper at work due to it being busy.  What were the riots all about?

Initially, the riots were about police shooting and killing a guy who was an alleged gang member, but they had no evidence to support it. They also planted evidence on the guy to say that he fired first. When the town started peaceful protests to get answers from the police, the police didn't do anything. That's how the riots started. Eventually it escalated to the point now where the initial reason behind it was completely lost though. Now people are just rioting for the sake of it at this point.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 09, 2011, 12:10:49 PM
I saw one very despicable report that said it was due to the same forces that caused the rise of the Tea Party in America, even though the only rioter I saw interviewed said that it was about power to the people and redistributing the wealth, and that he was an anarchist (clearly anarcho-communist).
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 09, 2011, 12:17:32 PM
I saw one very despicable report that said it was due to the same forces that caused the rise of the Tea Party in America, even though the only rioter I saw interviewed said that it was about power to the people and redistributing the wealth, and that he was an anarchist (clearly anarcho-communist).

Yeah, apparently the economic problems in England are part of what inspired the riots as well, but the initial riot was triggered by the police thing.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 09, 2011, 04:01:58 PM
I saw one very despicable report that said it was due to the same forces that caused the rise of the Tea Party in America, even though the only rioter I saw interviewed said that it was about power to the people and redistributing the wealth, and that he was an anarchist (clearly anarcho-communist).

So in his opinion, they don't redistribute wealth ENOUGH?

Retard....
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 09, 2011, 04:50:11 PM
Initially, the riots were about police shooting and killing a guy who was an alleged gang member, but they had no evidence to support it. They also planted evidence on the guy to say that he fired first. When the town started peaceful protests to get answers from the police, the police didn't do anything. That's how the riots started. Eventually it escalated to the point now where the initial reason behind it was completely lost though. Now people are just rioting for the sake of it at this point.

If I remember correctly, didn't England institute a strict gun control policy, one so uncompromising that British Olympic shooting competitors had to leave the country to practice, that was supposed to prevent this kind of violence?

Huh... Just.... Huh...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 09, 2011, 06:14:36 PM
Many Brits are proud of their countries strict gun control policy and how they don't have to worry about things like this as a result.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 10, 2011, 09:23:16 AM
"The problem with politicians is, when they see the light at the end of the tunnel, they build a longer tunnel." --Glen Murray, Ontario Minister of Innovation
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 10, 2011, 04:37:41 PM

Transcript:

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I have a message for Rick Perry and the American people.

My name is Wes Benedict and I have the honor of serving as Executive Director of the Libertarian National Committee here in Washington, DC. I lived in Texas for fifteen years and voted against Rick Perry for governor both times I had a chance.

Now Rick Perry wants to run for president. I have a message for you, Rick Perry.

Rick Perry, you are a pretender, not a defender of free markets.

You supported Lance Armstrong's 3 billion dollar Texas taxpayer funded medical research center. That's like ObamaCare. That's not free market.

Rick Perry, you secured a 300 million dollar business handout slush fund for you and just the two leaders of the legislature to dole out to whomever you felt like being friendly to. That's corporate welfare, a recipe for corruption, and as bad as the TARP bailouts that caused the Tea Parties to explode all across America. In fact, you gave 20 million dollars to Countrywide Financial which later went bankrupt.

You supported a new state business tax. You set up toll road tax collection booths all over Texas highways. The Austin Tea Party and the Austin Toll Party booed at you on the steps of the state Capitol for that. I was there.

Rick Perry, you signed an executive order forcing young Texas schoolgirls to get the HPV vaccine even if it was against their will -- even if it was against their parents' will -- while your former chief of staff was a lobbyist for Merck. Rick Perry, your judgment was so bad the Texas legislature revolted against you and overturned your decision.

I want to compliment you in one area. Libertarians like me embrace immigration and welcome people from Mexico and the rest of the world who seek a better life and the blessings of liberty. Compared to most Republicans, you have been pretty open to immigration. I credit you for being friendly to our southern neighbors. Rick Perry, I support amnesty and I think you do too. You supported a guest worker program to help people who would otherwise be illegal aliens.

But I'm concerned about our economy, about job opportunities, and the direction our country has been headed for a long time. Rick Perry, our country is in deep trouble. We don't need another pretender, we need a real defender of liberty.

Rick Perry, I will not vote for you for president.
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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 10, 2011, 05:33:01 PM
Reading the comments to that video, I see alot of "I'm a Libertarian but fuck the immigrants" wow
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Post by: AnCap Dave on August 10, 2011, 05:48:31 PM

Transcript:

I was gonna post this actually.

He almost came off like he was shooting a wrestling promo.

This guy vs. Rick Perry at Fiscalmania 28!

Someone should make that match in SVR 2011...
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Post by: MrBogosity on August 10, 2011, 07:06:17 PM
I was inspired to create this by something FlowCell said:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6127/6029407689_45bfe14a80_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6029407689/)
 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6029407689/)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 10, 2011, 07:12:35 PM
I was inspired to create this by something FlowCell said:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6127/6029407689_45bfe14a80_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6029407689/)

 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6029407689/)
Saved a copy to my harddrive. :)
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Post by: AnCap Dave on August 10, 2011, 07:17:53 PM
I was inspired to create this by something FlowCell said:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6127/6029407689_45bfe14a80_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6029407689/)

 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6029407689/)

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d168/IronFury51488/fukkensaved-1.png)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 10, 2011, 09:51:52 PM
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d168/IronFury51488/fukkensaved-1.png)
Because I'm a fan of irony (and funny internet images) I simply HAD to save that too. :)
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Post by: AnCap Dave on August 11, 2011, 02:21:29 PM
Here is a good comment from the Pat Condell video on the riots:
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This is the most intellectually lazy video you've put out so far, Pat. You call the rioters all manner of names and say we should take away everything from them, problem solved, QED.

How about this. Instead of Other'ing them like mental midgets of the religious world are prone to do, you try to understand the underlying problems.

I'm not saying what rioters did should be excused, far from it. Punish them appropriately. But calling them names and writing them off solves nothing in society.
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Post by: Virgil0211 on August 11, 2011, 04:05:24 PM
I was inspired to create this by something FlowCell said:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6127/6029407689_45bfe14a80_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6029407689/)

 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6029407689/)

Why, hello there, my new desktop background!

Another fave quote from Flowcell:

"Government, if it emerged from anything, emerged from a state of nature, not a free market. If you are a priest king living in the ancient world, you got all the women and had money so spend since giving you money somehow appeased the gods, so why support a free market when you live the good life?

I'd have a lot more money today if I had invested it instead of giving it away to a Church when I was younger. Church and State are the evil twins born out of Theocracy."
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Post by: MrBogosity on August 12, 2011, 02:56:59 PM
"If government is the answer, it was a stupid question." --A bumper sticker I just saw
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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 12, 2011, 04:26:28 PM
"If government is the answer, it was a stupid question." --A bumper sticker I just saw

Awesome bumper sticker. :)

Here's a possible one I once saw:  "If you can read this, I'm not impressed.  Most people can read."  though it was from a pic I saw on the internet.
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Post by: MrBogosity on August 12, 2011, 09:42:03 PM
Damn! When Rand Paul has his game on, he has it ON!

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Post by: AnCap Dave on August 12, 2011, 09:51:41 PM
Damn! When Rand Paul has his game on, he has it ON!


DAAAYUUUM!!!

Shame he can't be this good all the time though. My head still hurts thinking about that idiocy he spewed on that podcast.
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Post by: AnCap Dave on August 13, 2011, 09:36:26 AM
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 13, 2011, 07:52:59 PM
T-shirt I saw at work today: Don't steal.  The government hates the competition.

This one from my all time fav video game, Persona 4.

People can't live alone, if you give in and sever your ties to human society, it will naturally be harder to live in it.  Yet you refuse to face life and admit your fault, running from your own humanity like a coward!  And though you claim to find life troublesome, you caused nothing but trouble for many others!  Your twisted logic is that of an immature, egocentric brat! - Naoto in response to the villain's speech.
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Post by: MrBogosity on August 13, 2011, 08:02:17 PM
T-shirt I saw at work today: Don't steal.  The government hates the competition.

Ron Paul has that on a placard in his Congressional office. Wouldn't it be great to tune in to a speech from the Oval Office and see that on President Paul's desk?
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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 13, 2011, 11:01:34 PM
This one from my all time fav video game, Persona 4.

People can't live alone, if you give in and sever your ties to human society, it will naturally be harder to live in it.  Yet you refuse to face life and admit your fault, running from your own humanity like a coward!  And though you claim to find life troublesome, you caused nothing but trouble for many others!  Your twisted logic is that of an immature, egocentric brat! - Naoto in response to the villain's speech.

It would be a better quote for me if I didn't hear constant similar stuff from statists (e.g. Vogter2100) saying that, as libertarians, we hate civilization because we hate taxation (seriously), and from Thunderf00t saying that we libertarians "are forgetting that humans are a social species".  Again, I wish I was making those up...
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 14, 2011, 10:20:12 AM
Except those arguments actually work against them, not for them, if only they stopped for 20 seconds and seriously thought about it.  Humans are social animals and that's why we have to point guns at them to make them cooperate?  Of course nobody would understand that!  It makes no sense!
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Post by: Virgil0211 on August 15, 2011, 10:21:35 AM
Today, the win quotes (with mild sprinklings of fail) come to us from the unexpected source of theelmoisevil (I know he does that fucked up some caps some not thingy, but whatever.)

On FSAthe1st's latest video, he had this to say.

"My vote does not carry the weight of a Lobbyists Check. So yes... pretty useless actually. Especially considering human beings can "lie". Would you imagine that... someone lying to get elected. And it is not like that is the exception to the rule. In fact politcians lie continually. And even when caught they continue to lie. Widespread corruption is also well documented. So what is this "vote" you speak of?"

"You don't even stand a chance intellectually so you ban people. You're feeding on people's fears in your videos. Fears of losing the security afforded to them by the state ignoring that one can achieve all of the security afforded by the state utilizing non-authoritarian voluntary means (a form of anarcho-collectivism). A total False Dichotomy you present in your videos. Either you're aware of this and being purposefully misleading (lying) or you're simply ignorant."

(Fail in red, but I think you'll understand my reasons for posting this here.)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 15, 2011, 05:59:11 PM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 15, 2011, 07:40:20 PM
But something bothers me.  If the state (e.g. my econ professor) really believed that things like roads and water ways cannot be provided by the private (peaceful) market, why does the government have to outright prohibit competition to its own "services"?
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Post by: MrBogosity on August 15, 2011, 08:41:07 PM
But something bothers me.  If the state (e.g. my econ professor) really believed that things like roads and water ways cannot be provided by the private (peaceful) market, why does the government have to outright prohibit competition to its own "services"?

Something I've asked many, many times, and never gotten a single answer for.
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Post by: MrBogosity on August 16, 2011, 08:39:16 AM
Jon Stewart NAILS it! http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012---corn-polled-edition---ron-paul---the-top-tier?xrs=share_copy
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Post by: AnCap Dave on August 16, 2011, 08:50:02 AM
Jon Stewart NAILS it! http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012---corn-polled-edition---ron-paul---the-top-tier?xrs=share_copy

The media ignoring Ron is nothing new, but at least someone who gets a large audience is pointing out how blatant it is.

This was blatantly obvious in the 2008 elections as well, and honestly, I find this to be one of the main reasons why Ron didn't win the Republican nomination in the first place.

Also, saw this in my email from DownsizeDC.org:
"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone." Frederic Bastiat
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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 16, 2011, 10:35:50 AM
You know, as much as people want to give flak about Stewart for being liberal I think he has a bit of a Libertarian streak in him.
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Post by: AnCap Dave on August 16, 2011, 10:41:02 AM
You know, as much as people want to give flak about Stewart for being liberal I think he has a bit of a Libertarian streak in him.

He can be at times. Hell, I've even seen Bill Maher with a bit of Libertarian in him at least when talking about Ron Paul...then again he shuts that all off the second he doesn't mention him.
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Post by: AnCap Dave on August 16, 2011, 06:06:09 PM
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Post by: MrBogosity on August 17, 2011, 03:44:49 PM
From the Penn Jillette article I just posted:

"It's amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor and suffering people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness."
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Post by: MrBogosity on August 17, 2011, 09:45:59 PM
"The difference between an addiction to heroin and an addiction to statism is that statism kills more people and is harder to cure." --Michael Shanklin
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Post by: Gumba Masta on August 19, 2011, 05:18:43 AM
He can be at times. Hell, I've even seen Bill Maher with a bit of Libertarian in him at least when talking about Ron Paul...then again he shuts that all off the second he doesn't mention him.

We all are many people to many thing.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2011, 09:24:19 AM

Love the sarcasm here.
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Post by: MrBogosity on August 19, 2011, 09:37:42 AM

Love the sarcasm here.

Wow, that was a veritable deluge of sarcasitrons!
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Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2011, 09:47:27 AM
Wow, that was a veritable deluge of sarcasitrons!

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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 19, 2011, 10:18:26 AM
  Love the sarcasm here.

He also made a video before that on the same topic with even MORE sarcasm. :D
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 19, 2011, 10:32:59 AM
Yeah, I could have sworn I was subscribed to him, but YouTube says I wasn't. I know human memory is flaky, but so is YouTube's system, so I never know whom to blame for stuff like that.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2011, 10:33:30 AM
He also made a video before that on the same topic with even MORE sarcasm. :D

I'm aware. I happen to think that this video is a bit more direct.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 19, 2011, 02:27:47 PM
"All the horror I heard about during the Nürnberg trial, the 6 million Jews, dissidents or people of another race who died, shocked me deeply. But I hadn't made the connection with my own past yet. I reassured myself by thinking I wasn't personally guilty of it...But one day, I walked past a commemorative plaque for Sophie Scholl, here in the Franz-Joseph-Strasse. I saw that she was my age and that she was executed in the year I joined Hitler. And only then did I realise that youth is no excuse. And that it might have been possible to find out the truth...I feel as if I should be angry with that child, that naive young girl...for not recognising the nature of that monster...I could have said, in Berlin: 'No, I'm not doing it. I don't want to go to the Führer's headquarters.'" --Traudl Junge
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 19, 2011, 08:27:05 PM
I'm self quoting again but I really liked this one.

"The "free rider problem" is a classic case of projection.  It's taking a state problem and baselessly projecting it onto a stateless society.  It's no different than trying to defend slavery by saying "But who's going to provide the slaves with jobs if we let them go?"
        It's not an argument. Stop stealing from people to fund butchery under false pretences of national security and THEN we'll talk about a business model for defense agencies, NOT BEFORE!"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 19, 2011, 10:58:45 PM
"I see faith as believing in something when there is no verifiable way to prove it one way or the other...The real question to me is, how does that belief shape what you do in the real world? If your faith causes you to be a better person, help others, and make the universe a nicer place, more power to you, whether you are believing in God or Thor. If it causes you to set fire to others, trample my rights, or prevent my daughter from learning science at school, we will have words." --my long-time real-life friend Chris Goodson
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Post by: AnCap Dave on August 20, 2011, 07:10:12 AM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 21, 2011, 03:55:55 PM
Man, when Cracked has their game on, they have it ON!

"A whole lot of the innovation you're using now -- including the basics of your operating system that were developed, not by Microsoft or Apple but by Xerox -- happened before the era of software patents. Otherwise, those innovations may never have happened at all. Who can afford to pay for every little facet of a system that happens to be similar to what someone else invented?" -- http://www.cracked.com/article_18808_7-reasons-computer-glitches-wont-go-away-ever_p2.html
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 21, 2011, 06:00:31 PM
Yeah, it's amazing how little innovation there has been in computers since software patents compared to what there were before. To think that all of these latest interface designs and techniques are all based on things cooked up in the early 1970s!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 22, 2011, 11:09:54 AM

He has been on such a roll lately.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 22, 2011, 11:54:10 AM
Yeah, it's amazing how little innovation there has been in computers since software patents compared to what there were before. To think that all of these latest interface designs and techniques are all based on things cooked up in the early 1970s!
Indeed.  It's a stark example of how IP laws both don't encourage innovation and stop it outright.  I also like how it's recent enough where fewer people will go on saying, "yes, but that was then, this is now!!11"


He has been on such a roll lately.
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to post that. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 22, 2011, 12:05:13 PM

He has been on such a roll lately.

I didn't understand a word of that...
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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 22, 2011, 12:07:01 PM
From the same Cracked article: 

"Also, you may recall a certain antitrust scuffle Microsoft got into around the turn of the millennium. The results of that ruling have been a bit of a mixed bag: Microsoft can't include its free anti-virus software (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security_essentials/default.aspx) with Windows, because that would stop Norton and McAfee from making users pay $100 a year for their own anti-virus programs that declare critical system files to be viruses (http://siblog.mcafee.com/support/mcafee-response-on-current-false-positive-issue/) and stop the entire computer from running in response." --Stuart P. Bentley (http://www.cracked.com/article_18808_7-reasons-computer-glitches-wont-go-away-ever.html)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 22, 2011, 12:10:16 PM
I didn't understand a word of that...
Here's a transcription made by yours truly:

In the world of the government
Where all they're selling is fear
Telling the truth is treason
Principled leaders are rare

But that's the runway
Those fuckers hate the poor
I voted Obama for peace
Now I cheer for his murderous war

We're the YouTube statheists
And religion makes us frown
Religion is responsible
when the kicks us down

We're the YouTube statheists
our love of reason is a lie
We're a hated minority
and we still wonder why
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Post by: MrBogosity on August 22, 2011, 12:20:55 PM
From the same Cracked article: 

"Also, you may recall a certain antitrust scuffle Microsoft got into around the turn of the millennium. The results of that ruling have been a bit of a mixed bag: Microsoft can't include its free anti-virus software (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security_essentials/default.aspx) with Windows, because that would stop Norton and McAfee from making users pay $100 a year for their own anti-virus programs that declare critical system files to be viruses (http://siblog.mcafee.com/support/mcafee-response-on-current-false-positive-issue/) and stop the entire computer from running in response." --Stuart P. Bentley (http://www.cracked.com/article_18808_7-reasons-computer-glitches-wont-go-away-ever.html)

Personally, as a video editor, I'm sick and tired of them proclaiming video and audio codecs to be malware!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 22, 2011, 01:21:30 PM
Now THIS one is full of win:

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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 22, 2011, 01:46:53 PM
Now THIS one is full of win:

Man, like Rand Paul, when Morrakiu has his game on, he has it ON!
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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 22, 2011, 01:48:14 PM
Personally, as a video editor, I'm sick and tired of them proclaiming video and audio codecs to be malware!

Yet another reason you prefer Ubuntu, yes?  I don't really have the knowledge to understand how it doesn't need antivirus software, but if so, damn.

Also, the whole case of Microsoft being sued because of anti-trust law violations just REEKS of cronyism.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 23, 2011, 12:06:11 AM

"This is just like religious fundamentalists accusing atheists of being 'against god.' Well no, atheists are not against god, atheists do not hate god, atheists do not believe that god exists. So likewise, those who do not believe in the theory of evolution are not against evolution. they don't agree with the existence of evolution."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 23, 2011, 07:13:33 AM
Right. I could have thrown up when I heard the Non-Prophets this week and Matt Dillahunty equated Ron Paul to Rick Perry...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 23, 2011, 09:06:01 AM
Right. I could have thrown up when I heard the Non-Prophets this week and Matt Dillahunty equated Ron Paul to Rick Perry...

I remember when Obama first became President, the Atheist Experience made some kind of stupid remark about how Obama very well could be the first atheist president....yet he is just as religious as any other president we've had in the history of this country.

I think the guy in the video I posted had it right when he said that the reason people bring this up for Ron Paul is that the left liberals who would have voted for him need an excuse not to.
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Post by: AnCap Dave on August 23, 2011, 12:10:31 PM
A Scottish friend of mine just posted this on Facebook in regards to a book he read called Crap Days Out by Gareth Rubin:

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The main criticism of Loch Ness in the book is that it sells the idea that you might have a chance of seeing the monster if you visit. The author's claim that there is zero chance, because it doesn't exist. I have to defend Loch Ness on this one. I think if anyone travels anywhere expecting to see a prehistoric monster, then they deserve to be disappointed.
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Post by: AnCap Dave on August 23, 2011, 01:06:59 PM
Hate to triple post, but I just saw this posted on Facebook and thought it was deserving of this thread.

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Post by: Gumba Masta on August 24, 2011, 07:55:36 AM
Right. I could have thrown up when I heard the Non-Prophets this week and Matt Dillahunty equated Ron Paul to Rick Perry...

Is that the same Matt Dillahunty who said that a scientist still could do his job, even when he professes a belief in god and genesis and stuff WHEN he's able to keep religion seperated from his work?
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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 24, 2011, 11:49:14 AM
I remember when Obama first became President, the Atheist Experience made some kind of stupid remark about how Obama very well could be the first atheist president....yet he is just as religious as any other president we've had in the history of this country.
Figures that they be just a bunch of stupid statheists.

I think the guy in the video I posted had it right when he said that the reason people bring this up for Ron Paul is that the left liberals who would have voted for him need an excuse not to.
Something that Morrakiu's videos have eloquently demonstrated.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 24, 2011, 12:00:54 PM
Figures that they be just a bunch of stupid statheists.

Ohohohoho, oh that pun.
Satan has a special little place in hell for people like you.
And he calls it Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 25, 2011, 12:43:02 AM
http://www.cracked.com/back-to-school-facts/  Alternative title:  "125 (More) Reasons Why Government Schooling is a Failed Institution"
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 26, 2011, 11:29:06 PM
I really just come up with these in the middle of convos out of nowhere.

"It really takes some skill to fail at performing miracles even worse than God does.  At least the state doesn't suffer the disadvantage of not existing."
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Post by: AnCap Dave on August 27, 2011, 03:51:40 PM
"This is a typical tactic used by those who have no sane, reasonable or factual argument to defend their view; when the facts aren’t on your side, attack the other side, question their motives, demonize them, and never, ever admit they may hold sincere beliefs." - Lee Wrights (http://wrights2012.com/2011/08/decriminalizing-drugs-will-save-lives-and-money/)
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Post by: AnCap Dave on August 27, 2011, 10:50:22 PM
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Post by: evensgrey on August 29, 2011, 12:01:24 PM
I think I like this guy.
He must be even more fascinated with Euler's Identity:  e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0

He mentioned that, sort of.  Euler's Identity shows up as a special case of an elementary complex wave equation.  (Yes, I took a QM course.  I FLUNKED it, and BADLY, but I took it.)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 29, 2011, 12:22:01 PM
I remember when Obama first became President, the Atheist Experience made some kind of stupid remark about how Obama very well could be the first atheist president....yet he is just as religious as any other president we've had in the history of this country.

I think the guy in the video I posted had it right when he said that the reason people bring this up for Ron Paul is that the left liberals who would have voted for him need an excuse not to.

I suspect that Obama is probably MORE religious (at least in public) than many of the early Presidents.  Those who were explicitly Deist were likely a great deal less religious than any President in the last 35 years.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 29, 2011, 12:40:22 PM
A couple of my own.

"New is to Labour as National is to Socialism" - bumper sticker, seen for sale in the UK in 2005

"During the course of a long and interesting life, a man must be prepared to abandon his luggage more than once." - supposedly Chinese

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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 29, 2011, 02:40:18 PM

Granted there is some fail in that he confuses Evolution as a forward process by which people get better or something like that, overall, I'd call this a fav.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: kiri2tsubasa on August 29, 2011, 11:40:16 PM
"Capitalism tries for a delicate balance: It attempts to work things out so that everyone gets just enough stuff to keep them from getting violent and trying to take other people’s stuff."   George Carlin.  Makes sense when you think about it, in that odd I have been awake for almost 50 hours sense.

Just because he did terrible things doesn't mean he can not say something that is fairly accurate.
"Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. ...voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."  Herman Goering at the Nuremberg Trials.

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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 30, 2011, 05:46:28 PM

As I said in the comments to said video, it deserves a standing ovation.
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 31, 2011, 08:22:37 AM
As John Stossel pointed out, if women get paid less for doing the exact same work, why would anyone ever hire a man?
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Post by: AnCap Dave on August 31, 2011, 01:27:02 PM
A quote from this lecture:


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The idea that democracy trumps liberty in the Constitution is completely off base. The Constitution doesn't exist to empower majorities. Majorities don't need to be empowered, they're already the majority!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 01, 2011, 10:54:38 PM
"@eagleeye1975 The suffering is going to happen regardless. People have planned their lives around government handouts and they're going to pay the price for it no matter who gets elected. If anything good can come out of it, it has to be the exposure of the state. For that to happen, the state's failure must be absolute. There must be no doubt what the cause of the suffering was. Only then can people have closure and move on. We can't afford to have this myth go on anymore." --Lord T Hawkeye here:  http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=DTZvmoPiMss

To be fair, plenty of people who do that do so because the state has taken over 60% of their income and left them with little to nothing to show for it.  But still, Hawkeye's point still stands firm.
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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 03, 2011, 08:41:10 PM
Someone posted a link to buy the DVD of Atlas Shrugged on the LPF Facebook group, somebody replied

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The worst thing about being a libertarian is having to pretend that Atlas Shrugged didn't suck
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 04, 2011, 09:19:07 AM
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The worst thing about being a libertarian is having to pretend that Atlas Shrugged didn't suck

One of my Facebook friends responding to my repost:

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The movie was horrible. The book serves a purpose though...I can't get more than 3 pages without falling into a coma.
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 04, 2011, 10:13:27 AM
This entire video:


And especially:

"If a progressive is for anything, a progressive has got to be for telling the truth about foreign policy, stopping the killing overseas, and not throwing hundreds of thousands of your fellow Americans into cages! Isn't that at least what you guys stand for? Then for heaven's sake, get off your high horse and join us."
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Post by: AnCap Dave on September 06, 2011, 09:24:39 AM
One of the few videos where Edward isn't playing a character and gets down to some serious business.

I'd say something like, "Maybe this will silence the so called truthers," but we know that will completely ignore this anyway.
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 07, 2011, 05:42:19 PM
It's been awhile since Pat Condell made a video I agree with 100%:

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Post by: AnCap Dave on September 07, 2011, 06:23:13 PM
It's been awhile since Pat Condell made a video I agree with 100%:


Some of the comments in that vid are abysmal though.
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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 07, 2011, 07:46:26 PM
I'd say something like, "Maybe this will silence the so called truthers," but we know that will completely ignore this anyway.

Not a chance, I posted this on ATS, first reply is

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Unless this explains how there was a cover up and explosives were planted in that building leading up to a controlled demolition, then only an idiot would buy it,   
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Post by: AnCap Dave on September 07, 2011, 08:01:35 PM
Not a chance, I posted this on ATS, first reply is

Yep, typical "hurr durr it doesn't subscribe to my theory so it must be wrong even if evidence says otherwise hurr durr."

Honestly, sometimes I think we would be better off if we just blacklist these schmucks from any kind of intellectual debate.
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 07, 2011, 09:52:42 PM

My new social contract.  More of us should do these.  Feel free to make it whatever you want cause hey, according to the statists: You can get away with murder as long as you say it was a contract afterwards.
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 08, 2011, 08:18:54 AM
You inspired me to make this:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6066/6126485187_442440c3ca.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6126485187/)
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Post by: AnCap Dave on September 08, 2011, 08:14:45 PM
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 08, 2011, 08:18:46 PM
Wes is great, but he needs to work on his presentation skills.
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Post by: AnCap Dave on September 08, 2011, 09:06:27 PM
Wes is great, but he needs to work on his presentation skills.

He sounds like he is cutting a promo for his next match at the big pay per view. At least he did when he was talking about Rick Perry. This time he just sounds angry.
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 09, 2011, 07:56:34 AM
"[Rick Perry] thinks that the government can't do anything right, except kill people without mistake." --Penn Jillette
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 09, 2011, 09:40:05 AM
"Wherever there is tragedy, comedy is right behind it sticking its tongue out." --Gilbert Gottfried
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Post by: AnCap Dave on September 09, 2011, 09:43:24 AM

and on the other end of the spectrum:
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Post by: AnCap Dave on September 09, 2011, 06:17:02 PM
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 09, 2011, 06:55:22 PM
You inspired me to make this:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6066/6126485187_442440c3ca.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6126485187/)

Oh!  Can I use that on my next vid?  Please!!  ^^
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 09, 2011, 07:19:45 PM
Of course! You can even grab a higher-res version on Flickr. (If you're being REALLY good, you can give me credit as per the CC license, but you know I'm not an IP guy so I won't come after you anyway...)
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 09, 2011, 08:06:26 PM
Oh I will, it's the gentlemanly thing to do after all.  Thank you.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 09, 2011, 08:46:07 PM

Thanks, Hawkeye.  I needed this.
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 09, 2011, 09:04:29 PM
I aim to please.  ^^
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Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 10, 2011, 01:30:00 AM
"[Rick Perry] thinks that the government can't do anything right, except kill people without mistake." --Penn Jillette

oh yes, it can indeed kill without mistake: like that one guy they found possibly innocent prior to execution, but was executed anyways?

Government is sacred ::)

srsly, that's the sort of thing that makes me want to avoid Rick Perry like the plague. anybody who is willing to execute an innocent man, shouldn't even be entrusted to the task of killing a guilty one-or while we're at it, sit in any position of government.
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Post by: Gumba Masta on September 10, 2011, 03:02:57 AM
Which guy was that? This one or that one?
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Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 10, 2011, 03:50:55 AM
Which guy was that? This one or that one?

that one of course! :P

ok, srsly:

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/06/10/241830/top-10-thing-texas-gov-rick-perry/?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150205907391463_17412811_10150241602096463

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham

the quote: (if for some reason the link doesn't work):

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(1) PERRY ALLOWED THE EXECUTION OF A LIKELY INNOCENT MAN, THEN IMPEDED AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE MATTER: In 2004, Cameron Todd Willingham was executed in Huntsville, Texas after being convicted of arson and the murder of his three children. Even after significant evidence emerged showing that arson had not caused the fire (thus exonerating Willingham), Perry refused to grant a stay of execution. Five years after Willingham was executed, a report from a Texas Forensic Science Commission investigator found that the fire could not have been arson. As the commission prepared to hear testimony from the investigator in October 2009, Perry quickly fired and replaced three of its members, forcing an indefinite delay in the hearing.

and for the sake of integrity, I will modify the previous post. you'll see the correction in underlined.
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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 10, 2011, 09:12:49 AM
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Post by: AnCap Dave on September 10, 2011, 04:19:11 PM
"Why should we, however, in economics, have to plead ignorance of the sort of facts on which, in the case of a physical theory, a scientist would certainly be expected to give precise information?" - F.A. Hayek
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 10, 2011, 04:36:25 PM
"Why should we, however, in economics, have to plead ignorance of the sort of facts on which, in the case of a physical theory, a scientist would certainly be expected to give precise information?" - F.A. Hayek
Because economics is a science of human action, not of physical law. :P
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 10, 2011, 04:38:53 PM
In the comments of this video: 

Quote from: Dirge987
xexixk: "Oh Gulbrik, tell me what I want to hear."

gulbrik: "Taxes are good. The state helps us. These guys are all deluded idealists."

xexixk: "Mmmm, yeah.... Tell me I have all the answers."

gulbrik: "You have all the answers."

xexixk: "OH YEAH! You're an atheist so you're obviously logical."

gulbrik: "I'm getting so hot. But what if he bans us?"

xexixk: "Let him ban us! All I need is someone else telling me how right I am."

gulbrik: "As do I my love."

xexixk: "I love you."

*facenom*

I laughed my ass off at that. ^_^
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 10, 2011, 06:43:37 PM
http://www.theonion.com/video/remembering-911-a-pleasure-for-nation-compared-to,21322/?utm_source=recentnews
Made.  Of.  Win.
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 11, 2011, 02:22:22 AM
I laughed my ass off at that. ^_^

Normally, I do not like gay jokes at all because they're cheap shots and horribly overdone.

In this case however, 100% justified.  I seriously thought they were going to give each other big sloppy kisses any second.  Multiple pages of self congratulatory prattling that would make you want to shove their heads into their crotches and let them drown in their own fluids...

I apologize for that horrific imagery.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 11, 2011, 03:40:44 AM
oh yes, it can indeed kill without mistake: like that one guy they found possibly innocent prior to execution, but was executed anyways?

Government is sacred ::)

srsly, that's the sort of thing that makes me want to avoid Rick Perry like the plague. anybody who is willing to execute an innocent man, shouldn't even be entrusted to the task of killing a guilty one-or while we're at it, sit in any position of government.
Alright, time to sing along:

Our gov, is an awesome god...
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 11, 2011, 03:47:18 AM

Damn.  When this guy has his game on, he has it ON!
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Post by: evensgrey on September 11, 2011, 12:36:24 PM
Blowback certainly hasn't been ignored as a cause of terrorist attacks.  Hitchens has pointed out that it was pretty much the entire reason for the nightclub bombing in Bali.  (Specifically, the heinous crime of preventing the Indonesian military and their armed civilian thug auxiliaries from murdering the non-Muslim population of East Timor, then having the NERVE to help them set up a separate state.  The target was selected because it was popular with Australian tourists, Australia having taken a leading role in East Timor, and Bali having a primarily Buddhist population.)
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 11, 2011, 01:51:37 PM
Yes, but Hitchens is intelligent and not at all jingoistic. Sadly, he is NOT representative of most people.
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Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 12, 2011, 12:09:05 AM
Alright, time to sing along:

Our gov, is an awesome god...

now that should be a favorite quote. pure win!  ;D
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Post by: AnCap Dave on September 13, 2011, 09:21:09 AM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 13, 2011, 04:45:55 PM
Hitchens has pointed out that it was pretty much the entire reason for the nightclub bombing in Bali.
Yet didn't Hitchens still support the war in Iraq?
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Post by: AnCap Dave on September 14, 2011, 09:15:43 AM
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I'll be frank with you Judge. I have some problems with the Constitution in that it is an inherently flawed document because it does rely on the government to police itself but by the same token it's written in plain language that anyone can read, including myself, and from my readings, no the federal government is not allowed to do certain things, it's not empowered to do certain things, and if it's not empowered to do those things then it's not allowed to do those things.
- Glenn Jacobs on Freedom Watch, also known as professional wrestler Kane.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 15, 2011, 01:30:31 PM
now that should be a favorite quote. pure win!  ;D

The full video from which that line came from (also a fav quote): 

I know I've already posted it, but I figured it deserved to be seen, damn it. ;D
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Post by: AnCap Dave on September 15, 2011, 03:13:16 PM
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Post by: Goaticus on September 17, 2011, 08:56:38 PM
To a tyrant or an imperial city, nothing is inconsistent which is expedient. -Euphemus of Athens.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 18, 2011, 12:02:44 AM
And speaking of the Greeks, this image is made of pure concentrated win:

(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9553/euthyphrodilemma.jpg)

The best part is you can replace "God" with "Government," "The Majority," "The U.S. Constitution," etc, and it still works out the same.
Pretty much the only thing that won't work in that would be "Rationality," "Logic," and "Empirical Evidence" as you get a self detonating statement with each of those.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 18, 2011, 12:04:58 AM
This one as well is made of win:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5003/5251202904_0c689228c9_z.jpg)

I'm not a Star Wars fan, so it probably won't have as much impact on me as it would the SW fans here. :P
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 18, 2011, 12:07:04 AM
Shane, whenever I see this one, I think of you:

(http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/102307/libertarian-limit.gif)
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Post by: AnCap Dave on September 19, 2011, 12:12:42 PM

The title is a tad misleading only in that this is clearly not a defense of Social Security.

Social security is an insult to ponzi schemes.
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 19, 2011, 12:33:51 PM
Yeah, at least Ponzi schemes you can opt out of.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 20, 2011, 04:53:56 PM

Something I can relate to...
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 20, 2011, 05:43:50 PM
Something I can relate to...

Reminds me of this:

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Post by: AnCap Dave on September 21, 2011, 09:34:28 AM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 21, 2011, 03:48:19 PM
From tonygmilan7's About Me:

 "Some Universal Facts:
Ludwig Von Mises is the greatest economist of all time.
An expropriating property protector is a contradiction in terms.
You cannot possibly argue against self ownership.
John Maynard Keynes is dead."
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Post by: Houshalter on September 21, 2011, 07:56:17 PM
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If voting changed anything it would be illegal.

Have no idea who the original source was, but I've seen it several places.
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 23, 2011, 10:57:33 PM
"You know what's ALWAYS been faster than the speed of light? The speed of stupid." --Chris Pirillo
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 24, 2011, 03:24:34 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19431_5-mind-blowing-things-crowds-do-better-than-experts.html
Skip to number 2.  It and number 1 appear to be made of awesome.
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Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 24, 2011, 04:45:43 PM
"You know what's ALWAYS been faster than the speed of light? The speed of stupid." --Chris Pirillo

as evidenced by the speed at which the stocks have keeled over in the aftermath of Yesterday's Bernankian Abomination.
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Post by: evensgrey on September 26, 2011, 11:45:21 AM
as evidenced by the speed at which the stocks have keeled over in the aftermath of Yesterday's Bernankian Abomination.

All I've been able to get is that all the central bankers and ministers who have anything to do with money or industry are on the point of panicking because they've all but run out of room (read: cash) to keep fiddling with things in a large swath of the world.

OK, could be a bit painful in the short term when all the government plans go foom at once, but sounds like the best thing that could happen in the medium term.  (In the long term, they'll probably find a way to start fiddling again, but they always will, won't they?)

Actually, selling stocks probably is a good idea if things are about to go foom.  Catch them when they're down and ride them back up as things improve after the governments run out of cash.
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Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 26, 2011, 07:57:21 PM
All I've been able to get is that all the central bankers and ministers who have anything to do with money or industry are on the point of panicking because they've all but run out of room (read: cash) to keep fiddling with things in a large swath of the world.

OK, could be a bit painful in the short term when all the government plans go foom at once, but sounds like the best thing that could happen in the medium term.  (In the long term, they'll probably find a way to start fiddling again, but they always will, won't they?)

Actually, selling stocks probably is a good idea if things are about to go foom.  Catch them when they're down and ride them back up as things improve after the governments run out of cash.


I was referring to Bernanke and his people with the latest QE5 (IIRC it's name). their stupid traveled so quickly, that the stock people in the US panicked almost instantly on the passing of their decision..

I do agree though with your assessment of the medium term and short term. long term goes without saying these days.
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Post by: evensgrey on September 27, 2011, 09:48:03 AM

I was referring to Bernanke and his people with the latest QE5 (IIRC it's name). their stupid traveled so quickly, that the stock people in the US panicked almost instantly on the passing of their decision..


Ah, Quantitative Easing (read:  Let's dump a bunch more fiat currency into circulation and see if we DON'T get the same result as the last four times!).  Fortunately, they can't keep that up forever.  Eventually, nobody will be willing to buy the debt and the whole system will collapse.  It's starting to happen in Europe, which is what they've been panicking over of late.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 27, 2011, 06:07:57 PM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on September 27, 2011, 07:16:40 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19455_5-common-crime-fighting-tactics-statistics-say-dont-work.html
Words cannot describe the awesome.
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Post by: kiri2tsubasa on September 28, 2011, 02:16:48 AM
When ever I see something in a gaming magazine that has my interest and it mentions something I really like (or if it is by Relic or Volition) I use a quote from Fry of Futurama.

"SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY".
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 28, 2011, 08:18:31 AM
The National Archives (of our Federal government itself) has a Q&A on the Constitution: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_q_and_a.html

While much of it is interesting history, there are a few questions that everyone--especially Federal politicians--need to see:

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Q. Why has our Constitution been classed as "rigid"?
A. The term "rigid" is used in opposition to "flexible" because the provisions are in a written document which cannot be legally changed with the same ease and in the same manner as ordinary laws. The British Constitution, which is unwritten, can, on the other hand, be changed overnight by act of Parliament.

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Q. The United States government is frequently described as one of limited powers. Is this true?
A. Yes. The United States government possesses only such powers as are specifically granted to it by the Constitution.

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Q. Where, in the Constitution, is there mention of education?
A. There is none; education is a matter reserved for the States.

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Q. It is frequently asserted that the Supreme Court nullifies an act of Congress. Is this correct?
A. No. The Court has repeatedly declared that it claims no such power. All it does--all it can do--is to examine a law when a suit is brought before it. If the law in question is in accordance with the Constitution, in the opinion of the Supreme Court, the law stands. If the law goes beyond powers granted by the Constitution, then it is no law, and the Supreme Court merely states that fact (Art. III, sec. 2, cl. 1; Art. VI, cl. 2).

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Q. Does not the Constitution give us our rights and liberties?
A. No, it does not, it only guarantees them. The people had all their rights and liberties before they made the Constitution. The Constitution was formed, among other purposes, to make the people's liberties secure-- secure not only as against foreign attack but against oppression by their own government. They set specific limits upon their national government and upon the States, and reserved to themselves all powers that they did not grant. The Ninth Amendment declares: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Amazing how many people deny these tooth and nail.
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Post by: AnCap Dave on September 28, 2011, 09:58:22 AM
Wow, thanks for posting the link to that. Posted that on Facebook.

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Post by: AnCap Dave on September 29, 2011, 05:43:18 PM
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Post by: evensgrey on September 30, 2011, 11:47:33 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19431_5-mind-blowing-things-crowds-do-better-than-experts.html
Skip to number 2.  It and number 1 appear to be made of awesome.

There are many, MANY things made of awesome on cracked.com.  Pretty much ANYTHING where they use statistics is Awesomeness aimed at bogosity.
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 30, 2011, 11:48:11 AM

I dunno, seems to me he might be conflating open borders with open immigration a bit.
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Post by: MrBogosity on September 30, 2011, 11:48:31 AM
"When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system's game. The establishment will irritate you--pull your beard, flick your face--to make you fight. Because once they've got you violent then they know how to handle you. The only thing they don't know how to handle is non-violence and humor." --John Lennon
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Post by: MrBogosity on October 03, 2011, 05:09:20 PM
"Remember, whatever the government can do to others, it can do to you. We are only free when everyone is free." --Lee Wrights
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Post by: MrBogosity on October 06, 2011, 12:28:31 PM
The whole video is great, but the win part starts about 3:23 in:

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Post by: MrBogosity on October 06, 2011, 02:15:38 PM
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children." --Dwight D. Eisenhower
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Post by: MrBogosity on October 06, 2011, 02:47:28 PM
A reworking of an old economics saying that's going around the internet:

"Recession is when you lose your job. Depression is when I lose mine. Recovery is when Obama loses his."
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Post by: AnCap Dave on October 06, 2011, 02:47:54 PM
This (http://www.creators.com/opinion/john-stossel.html) is a pretty good piece by John Stossel.

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Here's my fantasy: Libertarians are elected to the presidency and to majorities in Congress. What would happen next? Well, if libertarians were "in charge," you'd have more freedom and prosperity.

Freedom frightens some people. They say if no one is in charge there would be chaos. That is intuitive, but think about a skating rink. Before rinks were invented, if you proposed an amusement in which people strap blades to their feet and skate around on ice at whatever speeds they wish, you'd have been called crazy. There's got to be speed limits, stoplights, turn signals. But we know that people navigate rinks safely on their own. They create their own order, with only minimal rules.

Society would work the same way — and does to a large extent even today. "Great part of that order which reigns among mankind is not the effect of government," Thomas Paine, the soul of the American Revolution, wrote. "It has its origin in the principles of society and the natural constitution of man. ... Common interest (has) a greater influence than the laws of government."

If libertarians were "in charge," there would be laws to protect us from foreign enemies and those who would steal from us or injure us. Today, by contrast, under the rule of Democans and Republicrats, we're drowning in rules — 160,000 pages' worth. Micromanagement kills opportunity and freedom.

Maybe if there were a way to have more competition among governments, things would be better. Competition forces people to become more efficient and to get rid of stupid rules. What if we let people take over some unused land in America to create areas with fewer rules, simpler legal systems, smaller government?

I explored that subject last week with Michael Strong and Magatte Wade, founders of the Free Cities Project.

Strong said, "We want to encourage thousands of people to create new governments that have different rules, each competing for customers with the best education and best health care, the most peace and prosperity you could imagine."

Of course, state governments would have to approve this.

"There are already Native American reservations in the U.S. ... They can become more free.

Honduras already has something like this. In Senegal, we're encouraging a move toward an autonomous city-state that would allow for peace and prosperity."

Wade is Strong's wife and an entrepreneur from Senegal, where she saw firsthand how bad rules prevent people from creating prosperity.

"We need jobs. Who creates jobs? Entrepreneurs," she said.

But Senegal is awash in rules. There was a government monopoly on cement. When the government allowed competition, prices fell by a third.

She started a beverage company.

"It was an ordeal. I did it because I am from Senegal. I have an interest in trying to improve things. But for an American company ... why would they put themselves through such a thing?"

"What people don't realize is the developing world is massively overregulated," Strong said. "Africa is the most regulated continent on earth."

In the Congo, it requires 18 documents to import anything.

Wade added: "The fact we have so many rules — who benefits most? Multinationals."

"And crony capitalists," Strong added. "Corruption in Africa is a symptom of massive overregulation."

Are there any free cities along the lines Strong and Wade envision?

"Hong Kong and Singapore are the best examples," Strong said. "Now they are among the wealthiest places on earth."

And there is a free city in Dubai because the emirate wanted to create a financial sector, but sharia law prevented it.

"Dubai was brilliant," Strong said. "They looked around the world. They saw that Hong Kong, Singapore, New York, Chicago, Sydney, London all ran British common law. British common law is much better for commerce than is French common law or sharia law. So they took 110 acres of Dubai soil, put British common law with a British judge in charge, and they went from an empty piece of soil to the 16th most powerful financial center in world in eight years."

It's what libertarians have said: Freedom works, and government, when it grows beyond the barest minimum, keeps people poor.
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Post by: MrBogosity on October 07, 2011, 07:11:10 AM
Full of win:

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Post by: AnCap Dave on October 07, 2011, 08:30:33 AM

One quote that really stands out from the video:
"The moment that I have a right, a basic foundation on human right, to somebody else's labor, to somebody else's knowledge, to somebody else's expertise, to somebody else's time, that person has become my slave and I do not advocate slavery and you damn well should not advocate slavery if you are in the business of extending and expanding human freedom." - Stefan Molyneux
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Post by: MrBogosity on October 07, 2011, 10:26:16 AM
Every American needs to read this one: http://peacefreedomprosperity.com/5734/oathbreaker/
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Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 07, 2011, 10:22:34 PM
Full of win:


yeah-that was a great one. it's on my favorites list right now. ;D
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Post by: Travis Retriever on October 08, 2011, 12:13:41 AM

Yet another reason why government will never work.  Ever. Period. End of Story.
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Post by: AnCap Dave on October 08, 2011, 03:38:51 PM
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Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 08, 2011, 03:49:26 PM

Yet another reason why government will never work.  Ever. Period. End of Story.

well, this guy has found himself a new sub.

EDIT: watching more of him makes me even more convinced that he is a good YT investment.  :shrug:
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 09, 2011, 02:36:27 AM
If you think that's good, check out his vid "The Story of your enslavement"
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Post by: AnCap Dave on October 10, 2011, 08:51:28 AM
"If that moron Columbus hadn't of gotten lost we would have a Buddhist instead of a native American in the Village People. I love the fact we make a holiday over a guy who got lost and did his best to enslave and rape a nation. It's like making heroes of the Somalia pirates-if they discover something while they are robbing and murdering folks! Just my opinion!" - John Layfield
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Post by: evensgrey on October 11, 2011, 03:38:47 PM
This (http://www.creators.com/opinion/john-stossel.html) is a pretty good piece by John Stossel.

This reminds me of a Radio documentary (almost comically, from CBC Radio 1's long-running series Idea, which is a Canadian government-sponsored broadcaster that had a surprising number of government-skewering documentaries on that particular show, that is to say, any at all) I heard.

Some years back, Peru attempted to sell its' public telephone monopoly for something like $100 million.  Nobody was interested.  On investigating why, the government of Peru discovered that nobody was wiling to buy it because Peruvian property law was so messed up that it was impossible to define exactly what was for sale.  They cleaned up the law so that there was a clear identification of the exact property that was for sale, and got something like $1 BILLION for it.

This caused a group of Peruvian academics to ask the question:  Does the Developing World fail to develop because of bad property laws?

They investigated a number of countries, and found that the lack of functioning property laws was a major economic problem.

In most Western, developed countries, if you want to build a building on a piece of land that you own, you do something like this:

You go down to the planning office, and file a request for a building permit (which usually requires a copy of the plans for what you want to build, and for common things like detached garages many jurisdictions will even supply you with stock plans for a reasonable design for a nominal fee).  You file that one request with one office, and usually you get an answer back in no more than a few days.

Compare that to the situation in Egypt at the time.  The Peruvians calculated that if you wanted to build a house on an empty stretch of desert, with no agricultural, mining, historical, or other significance, and you spent 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year (what we typically consider full-time employment levels of time and effort in North America), it would take you 18 YEARS to do all the paperwork.  To build a house on an empty piece of desert of no importance to anyone for any reason, except yourself.  This was so pointless and wasteful, that more than 90% of buildings in Egypt had no official paperwork on them whatsoever.

This lack of official paperwork has serious economic repercussions.

In a Western country, if you own a piece of land, there's normally a registration of that fact with the local Land Title (or equivalent) Registry Office.  This is used for assessing property tax, but it also acts as a place where liens of various sorts can be registered and checked for.  This means that when buying land, it is possible to verify that the person you are buying it from has legal authority to sell it, and you can check for encumbrances on the use of that land (such as easements, flood plain restrictions, waterway use and access limitations, etc.).  It ALSO means that a lender can be reasonably certain that all is what it's supposed to be when loaning you the money to buy it against the value of the property itself (the typical way you buy property with a mortgage).

That simply isn't possible in Egypt for almost all people, since there's no paperwork on almost everything.  That means that, for instance, while everyone in the neighborhood may agree who owns a particular house, and so the sale of that house for cash will be accepted, no lender will give a mortgage on the property because there's no way to register that it exists anywhere that informs people about it, and no mechanism available to effectively enforce the mortgage if it goes into default.

That means that most Egyptians have no access to loans against the value of the homes they own, making it very hard for them to get the money to start or expand a business.  Egypt is practically CARPETED with people running small businesses of all kinds.  Some of these people doubtless have the skills, drive, and luck needed to expand their small businesses into larger, more efficient, and more profitable businesses, but they have no way to get the capital needed to do so.

Fixing the mess isn't easy, and won't be quick.  The property laws in the West aren't perfect, and we've been working on them for several centuries.  Acknowledging that there's a HUGE problem with the property law regime (namely, that in many countries it's outright BROKEN) is the first step towards trying to fix the problems.
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Post by: MrBogosity on October 12, 2011, 12:11:27 PM
Full. Of. WIN: http://www.cracked.com/article_19461_6-b.s.-myths-you-probably-believe-about-americas-enemies.html
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Post by: Travis Retriever on October 12, 2011, 01:45:43 PM
Full. Of. WIN: http://www.cracked.com/article_19461_6-b.s.-myths-you-probably-believe-about-americas-enemies.html
Eh, I was going to post it. >_>
And here I thought me and Hawkeye were the only ones here who read cracked.com
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Post by: Travis Retriever on October 12, 2011, 09:17:35 PM
And not to be outdone: 
Lord T Hawkeye pwns the Social Contract yet again.
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Post by: MrBogosity on October 13, 2011, 03:38:12 PM
"I think the US should raise taxes, so the rich can come here to Sweden instead and start jobs here.: --Visfen, comments of this video: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=w7FnUowZKfg
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Post by: Gumba Masta on October 13, 2011, 03:52:47 PM
Fuck. You're right. If we raise the taxes the rich can afford to simply go somewhere else...
We need to disown those motherfuckers completely.
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Post by: MrBogosity on October 15, 2011, 11:16:34 AM
"The world needs the goods and services Americans can potentially produce more than it needs some planetary protection from evil that America can’t possibly provide." --Lee Wrights
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Post by: Gumba Masta on October 15, 2011, 11:26:16 AM
Can those goods include nun porn?
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Post by: MrBogosity on October 15, 2011, 12:45:13 PM
Can those goods include nun porn?

He's a Libertarian, so sure!
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Post by: Gumba Masta on October 15, 2011, 03:20:14 PM
Oh thank god. For a moment I was worried.
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Post by: MrBogosity on October 15, 2011, 03:55:55 PM
Now, GOOD nun porn is another issue; it seems to be harder to find than the Holy Grail...
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Post by: evensgrey on October 15, 2011, 05:12:42 PM
Now, GOOD nun porn is another issue; it seems to be harder to find than the Holy Grail...

Good porn for any fetish is hard to find.  Ah, for the heady days of the late 70's and early 80's, when they really did actually try to write scripts (even if they were kind of inept at it, at least they tried something).
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Post by: MrBogosity on October 15, 2011, 05:56:00 PM
They could at least hire "nuns" without absurdly fake boobs, tattoos over 60% of their bodies, and 8 million piercings...
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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on October 15, 2011, 09:38:52 PM
Not quite a quote, but guess who got on the news for 5 seconds?

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=2936810
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Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 16, 2011, 12:19:14 AM
Good porn for any fetish is hard to find (lolwut?).  Ah, for the heady days of the late 70's and early 80's, when they really did actually try to write scripts (even if they were kind of inept at it, at least they tried something).

you're clearly not looking in the right places....and you must be having the search filter turned on-otherwise it would have been found by now.  :P

I mean, it's gotten to the point where there is (and no, I'm not joking), Bowling Ball porn (from what I'm told pretty stimulating too), Final Fantasy porn (the Spoonyone mentioned this, and even showed some pics), I even am aware of Mortal Kombat porn (just find the cached page from Encyclopedia Dramatica)-all off surprisingly good quality, though I'm not sure if the style is what you want.

in short: I'm sure there is excellent Nun porn out there. just turn the search filter off.  :P
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Post by: Virgil0211 on October 16, 2011, 01:19:06 AM
They could at least hire "nuns" without absurdly fake boobs, tattoos over 60% of their bodies, and 8 million piercings...

Hey, hey, hey! You leave Burning Angel productions alone. I happen to like the punk rocker look, and they're the favorite production company of myself and the missus. Aside from the one that does those nerd porno parodies.
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Post by: evensgrey on October 16, 2011, 05:08:07 AM
They could at least hire "nuns" without absurdly fake boobs, tattoos over 60% of their bodies, and 8 million piercings...

Yes, that would help.

While fine as fetishes go, tattoos and piercings really don't go with the nun thing very well.  At least, not on ALL of them.
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Post by: Gumba Masta on October 16, 2011, 12:38:42 PM
Unless they're Biker Nuns from Mars. Have a Snickers.
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Post by: MrBogosity on October 21, 2011, 12:04:54 PM
"Being a Libertarian in elected office is like being the designated driver in a room full of drunks." --R. Lee Wrights
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Post by: AnCap Dave on October 22, 2011, 07:31:36 AM
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Post by: MrBogosity on October 22, 2011, 02:47:32 PM
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Post by: AnCap Dave on October 25, 2011, 12:29:42 PM
So a friend of mine apparently found a rather interesting item while looking through one of his great uncle's books. Apparently he wrote a poem during the time of the Great Depression.

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d168/IronFury51488/GreatDepressionPoem.jpg)
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Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 25, 2011, 02:44:42 PM
well, since you had to broach the subject, a favorite anecdote (not a quote, but hey, it works):


FDR himself often mentioned this one story about a businessman who hated the New Deal, and how every day he'd buy a newspaper from a kid, stare at it's front page, and throw it away, cursing.

eventually, the Kid asked him: "why are you just looking at the front page?", to which the businessman replied:

"I'm looking for a Death".

"But sir, you know the deaths are listed in the Obituaries, right?

"Son, you better believe this death will be on the front page!"

evidently, not many people were eager to go with the New Deal...
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 31, 2011, 05:22:15 PM
While I don't agree with him on religion, C.S. Lewis did have some nice quotes otherwise.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. "

"Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 04, 2011, 02:40:04 AM
Talking to a friend though I dont' take credit for the idea.  That honor goes to Stefan Molyneux.

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This is why I support the notion that you have no right to any technology newer than the oldest belief you embrace
 If you wanna support collectivism, get off the internet.  That's WAY too new fangled for you.
 hate capitalism?  Turn your car in and buy a trabant
 still believe in religion?  Here's your bucket of leeches next time you need to see the doctor
  Think "unnatural" is inherrently evil?  Next time you wanna travel, start walking!
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Post by: MrBogosity on November 04, 2011, 09:40:41 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-shermer-god-20111104,0,877363.story

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It's time to drop the God talk and face reality with a steely-eyed visage of the modern understanding of the origin of freedom on which the United States was founded and continues to be secured. God has nothing to do with it. If you want freedom and security, you need the following:

The rule of law; property rights; a secure and trustworthy banking and monetary system; economic stability; a reliable infrastructure and the freedom to move about the country; freedom of the press; freedom of association; education for the masses; protection of civil liberties; a clean and safe environment; a robust military for protection of our liberties from attacks by other states; a potent police force for protection of our freedoms from attacks by people within the state; a viable legislative system for establishing fair and just laws; and an effective judicial system for the equitable enforcement of those fair and just laws.
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Post by: MrBogosity on November 05, 2011, 04:18:23 PM
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that,' as if that gives them certain rights...It's simply a whine. It's no more than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well SO FUCKING WHAT?" --Stephen Fry
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Post by: MrBogosity on November 07, 2011, 09:43:06 AM
"It's the loneliest feeling in the world. It's like walking down an empty street and hearing the sound of your own footsteps, knowing that all you have to do is knock on any door and say, 'If you let me in, I'll live the way you want me to live, and think the way you want me to think,' and all the blinds will go up, and all the doors will open, and you'll never be lonely again." --Inherit the Wind
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Post by: AnCap Dave on November 07, 2011, 10:02:22 AM
"Like those clouds, a man's heart can't be bound by the will of others."

"Living in a safe, protected place may give you a sense of security but you'll never know true beauty until the filth of the outside world."

- Juuza of the Clouds "Juuza Gaiden"
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Post by: Travis Retriever on November 11, 2011, 09:16:33 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-we-ruined-occupy-wall-street-generation/

John Cheese unleashes the torrent of anti-bogons yet again. :)  In the first 2-3 items at least.

Except for #2 which is by all accounts a correlation causation fallacy and a fail; and something long refuted by the fact that we're currently in the most severe depression/recession since the Great Depression; while ignoring all the creators of indie content that don't need to be funded by Hollywood.
(For a more thorough refutation:  http://mises.org/daily/5025/The-Fight-Against-Intellectual-Property )
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Post by: MrBogosity on November 11, 2011, 10:10:47 AM
And ignoring the fact that when Napster came out we were at the height of a VERY big bubble.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on November 11, 2011, 11:37:28 PM
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Post by: AnCap Dave on November 12, 2011, 10:23:33 AM

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I wonder what the dead of war would say, if they stayed past their demise, and wheeled around the fading battlefield like invisible kites of regret. I wonder what they would say - the hundreds of millions slaughtered by swords and bombs and guns, vaporized into shadows on broken walls, ground into jam beneath the curled feet of tanks - I wonder what they would say to us? I wonder what they said to themselves, in their last moments, before their eyeballs bled from the crushing weight of war descending upon their lives.

I wonder if all the words that herded them like bitter vacant shepherds off the cliff edge of death - I wonder if those words evaporated just before their lives did? All the words like - patriotism, nationalism, religion, country... soldier. I wonder if all of the words that wrapped around them like a strangling anaconda mummy tape flew away from them before they died, and revealed only the sand - the dead sand - of nonexistence. I wonder if they realized, just before they died, that they were going to go the way of the words that led them to their graves, the words that did not exist, that made them not exist... The countries that do not exist, the patriotism - that is to live on bended knee to violent masters - the class that does not exist, that led them to lay down their lives for nothing, for rulers emptier than the words that hung them. And I wonder what they would say, if they could still fly above the ruin of the world that smashed them - and that they smashed... I wonder what they would say, as they saw all of these ghastly, deadly, empty, strangling words - still roaming the human landscape, still slithering like spindly, spidery snakes through the books and teachers and priests and parents and lies and media and print of this world... The words like, 'honor' - the words like: 'medal' - the words, not that they had been ground out by the empty illusions of their elders, but that they had 'fallen,' like a toppling domino that was a human being...

I wonder what they would think of the music played for the dead, who died from words... I wonder what they would think of the tears of the people who stood by their graves; the tears of those whose agony at their loss went as deep and as wide as a bloody ocean. I wonder what they would think of the tears of the people who cried their graves, the people who did not move heaven and earth to stop them from going and marching and falling into the whirling blades of warring death.

I wonder what they would think of those who sobbed at their passing, but did not stop their journey to their end, that did not throw themselves in front of this train of death that scoops and sweeps and grinds and sprays over the bodies of all those it runs into, and over...

And I wonder what these billions of ghosts would say to the young, whose hearts and minds and bodies are currently gripped in the talons of these empty, dead, dying, murdering, cancerous words... The young who are snatched from the dead classrooms of State propaganda, and the dead pews of religious praise for the dead and the dying and the killing and the murdering... To the young held aloft and carried aloft in the steely and stealing talons of these empty words, being carried high above the lands that they're supposed to be 'protecting' - but that no one is invading -- and, in the name of 'defense,' being carried thousands and thousands of miles across oceans, across frightened white upturned faces, and being dropped from these great heights, to fall like dead drones onto houses, onto hospitals, onto electricity plants, onto useless sand - but most of all, onto people - because these dead words carry live people and drop them to merge in a horrible embrace with victims of mass murder. I wonder what they would say to those being carried off by these words and dropped on the innocent...

And I wonder - I think most of all - what these ghosts - who learned too late what it is to die by words, to be slashed by syllables, to be murdered by mouths - what they would say to those of us who still continue to praise this murder, to salute this savagery, to stand stiff before these slumping corpses, to cheer these deaths - and to continue to mouth these empty phrases -- 'national defense,' the 'war on terror,' 'patriot acts,' 'protection,' 'honor,' the 'fallen,' the 'brave,' the 'few'...

Because it is these words that we mouth - these words that we loose from our throats - that fly into the air and fasten their fangs and their talons onto the mouths and the lives of the young. and block their air, and block their future, and hack and slash their potential, and return them to us in a box, or a wheelchair, or crutches, or blind, or shattered in spirit - to become a repetition of war in the home, in brutality against children, in brutality against those they have every right to be enraged at - those who cheered them on their way to murder, and to be murdered...

The war always comes home...
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Post by: Travis Retriever on November 13, 2011, 12:33:25 PM
"[I'm f]inding the characterization of our upcoming election as a choice between a 'douche' and a 'turd' more than a little annoying. When someone's ordered the deaths of thousands of innocent people calling them a 'douche' doesn't quite cut it. Nor does complaining about how 'disappointed' in them you are." - Stargazer5781
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Post by: evensgrey on November 15, 2011, 02:38:52 PM
"I'll see your six, and raise you thirty-five!"

Sir Trudy Lacklandia
(to a mugger with a six-inch switchblade, on drawing her broadsword)
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Post by: MrBogosity on November 15, 2011, 03:53:32 PM
I knew there was a reason I liked Jerry Doyle:

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Post by: Travis Retriever on November 17, 2011, 09:15:26 PM

From this forum's Lord T Hawkeye. :)
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Post by: AnCap Dave on November 20, 2011, 07:46:28 AM

Peter Schiff has balls.
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Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 23, 2011, 06:19:08 PM
not exaclt politics or socially related, but I just have to share this as a favorite:


http://www.cracked.com/article_16762_6-biggest-assholes-in-animal-kingdom.html

specifically, the one about cuckoos.
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 24, 2011, 09:20:09 PM

I can't top this.  Just watch it.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on November 25, 2011, 08:26:24 PM
"I don't fucking CARE what it's motivation is!  And neither you nor I can read the minds of those who passed it into law.  I care about what it is, and what it does....So what if it was done with the best of intentions?  Does that in ANY WAY change what it is or what it does?" --ShaneDK in the comments of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muwaiFOlY2s)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on November 25, 2011, 09:05:55 PM

Dear people saying, "The police were just doing their job."  Get bent.
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Post by: Virgil0211 on December 02, 2011, 11:31:34 AM
Linky to Daily Show Clip "America's Next TARP Model" (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fshar.es%2Fol31T&h=nAQE3GKmW)

The Star Wars bit had me rofl, as well as the line "Our government is the world's dumbest loan shark."

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Post by: VectorM on December 05, 2011, 02:41:11 PM
“Matter of internal security – the age-old cry of the oppressor.” Jean-Luc Picard

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Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 05, 2011, 03:08:04 PM

no comment.
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Post by: AnCap Dave on December 06, 2011, 05:06:10 PM
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 07, 2011, 08:54:17 AM
I'm leaving this set to play from the start so you can see the taxes Chris Pirillo is talking about, but the quoted portion comes at 2:35:


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But there's not really much I can do, other than elect someone else who's probably going to raise my taxes or do nothing anyway. It's the same party here in the United States, no matter who you pick, no matter what they say, it's the same party. I don't care what anybody tells you.
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Post by: AnCap Dave on December 09, 2011, 07:49:21 PM
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 12, 2011, 02:50:41 PM
"Hey, when Saddam held an election with his name as the only choice my government told me it was proof he was a tyrant and I should be proud to be forced to pay to depose him. But when as many as two thirds of the offices up for election in my home state have only a single name my my government told me that was proof of voter satisfaction. I am lucky to have such a smart demopublican administration that can tell the difference for me. Otherwise I might get mixed up about which was tyranny and which was too good to be opposed." --Tom Bailey
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 14, 2011, 07:42:19 AM

To cancel out the bogons of Rick Perry's original ad.
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Post by: evensgrey on December 14, 2011, 08:10:28 AM
"Hey, when Saddam held an election with his name as the only choice my government told me it was proof he was a tyrant and I should be proud to be forced to pay to depose him. But when as many as two thirds of the offices up for election in my home state have only a single name my my government told me that was proof of voter satisfaction. I am lucky to have such a smart demopublican administration that can tell the difference for me. Otherwise I might get mixed up about which was tyranny and which was too good to be opposed." --Tom Bailey

In a properly operating system, the difference between the first scenario and the second would be that the first is ensured by anyone else who tried getting on the ballot being attacked by the forces of the State, while the second would happen only because most offices are being carried out sufficiently satisfactorily that few people want to bother trying for them themselves.  Unfortunately, in most places, there are steep access restrictions for most elected positions that make it very difficult to get on the ballot in the first place, making it harder to tell the difference than it should be.  Of course, the fact that you don't expect to have somebody come and murder you if you don't pass a ballot access restriction threshold in the US is kind of a give away.
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Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on December 16, 2011, 03:25:23 PM
In a press conference where the Jacksonville Jaguars announced their new owner, a question was asked why he moved a previous business out of Jacksonville

"In the 80s, Jacksonville was the biggest import car market in the world, then the US government imposed a 25% duty called a 'Chicken Tax' and the market died."
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Post by: Gumba Masta on December 19, 2011, 04:57:22 AM
Of course, the fact that you don't expect to have somebody come and murder you if you don't pass a ballot access restriction threshold in the US is kind of a give away.

As they say, hit them when they least expect it.
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 22, 2011, 08:40:34 AM
"I am not a pacifist. I just don't feel I have to kill someone to prove it." --R. Lee Wrights

[After someone jokingly asked for a position in his administration] "What agency do you think you can disassemble the quickest?" --R. Lee Wrights
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 22, 2011, 11:43:57 AM
I think these were a pretty good idea (based on my Atheism is a religion like... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/sets/72157625128254937/) series):

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7008/6549421961_865426fed4_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6549421961/)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7145/6549423007_2310d18e03_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6549423007/)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7158/6549424599_147c0b698c_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6549424599/)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7028/6549426139_98527431eb_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6549426139/)

Whaddya think?
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Post by: AnCap Dave on December 22, 2011, 12:01:40 PM

One of Pat's better pieces.
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Post by: VectorM on December 22, 2011, 06:21:20 PM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 22, 2011, 09:32:31 PM
@VectorM:  Damn it! You beat me to it! :P

Yeah, yet another reason to be against the bogosity known as IP (read: intellectual monopoly).  It's corporatism at it's best (or worst).
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Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 23, 2011, 03:01:41 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

we need more these.

@ VectorM and Surhotchaperchlorome: That video is perfection.
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 23, 2011, 05:56:08 PM
we need more these.

Always open to ideas.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 24, 2011, 01:06:33 PM
Lord T Hawkeye is on fire recently:

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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 24, 2011, 01:09:16 PM
And not just with videos either:

Why are you still a statist? (http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/Why-are-you-still-a-statist-219816956)
If they truly believed: feminists (http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/If-they-truly-believed-feminists-261791116)
Murder is murder is murder is murder... (http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/Murder-is-murder-is-murder-is-murder-266068524)
The rapist, a case example (http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/The-rapist-a-case-example-269564972)
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 24, 2011, 02:02:31 PM
we need more these.

I did think of one more:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7009/6565339687_aaf8f8045f_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6565339687/)
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Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 24, 2011, 05:27:32 PM
I just thought one up: sth about law. religious laws in general, like hindus not eating cows or sth.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 24, 2011, 06:53:46 PM
@Ibrahim90:  What does "sth" mean?
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 24, 2011, 06:55:58 PM
My apologies in advance for this one Shane, but I simply have to share this one.

From the comments of this video:

Shane:  "Here's the thing you're missing: politicians, almost to the man, are narcissists (hence the $200 haircuts). They need to look themselves in the mirror and see great men who will go down in history for their great works. Individuals here and there writing in, sure, won't do anything because they aren't swayed by logic and reason. But people writing en masse hits them in their narcissistic faces. And yes, it HAS worked; I can show you cases."

(The win):  Lord T Hawkeye:  "@shanedk Maybe, though as I said in a past vid, you shouldn't HAVE to be doing this in the first place. It's like hiring a security guard to watch over your store but then you have to stay overnight at the store yourself because you keep catching the guard robbing the place.
So you're effectively paying politicians to do the job that you're the one actually doing."
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 24, 2011, 10:03:22 PM
My apologies in advance for this one Shane, but I simply have to share this one.

Oh, no apologies necessary; I agree with your reply.
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 25, 2011, 05:45:57 PM
I'm sure politicians will listen to letters from voters if it's not too inconvenient but when they have to choose between the voting populace and their corporate buddies, I think it's tragically clear who always wins.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 25, 2011, 10:46:57 PM
This is from a character in a comic book named appropriately enough Anarky.

I never heard of him before but after reading this, I think I like him!

Quote
Everything you know is a lie.

Cast your mind back to when you were a child. Remember how life shone out from within? How everything was new and full of golden hope?

And then “they” got to you. The politicians – the priests – the philosophers – the parasites!

This is politics: “Do what you’re told or we’ll punish you.“”

This is religion: “Suffer misery now so you can be happy after death.”

This is philosophy: “The universe came from nothing and will one day return to it.”

None of these doctrines stands up to rational analysis.

Since the birth of consciousness, hundreds of millions of human beings have been slaughtered by their fellows.

Men – women – children ... snuffed out as if their lives meant nothing.

Why? Because we look to leaders and priests and gurus and “stars” to tell us what to do instead of relying on the powers of our own sovereign minds.

They charge in blood for the privilege of ruling us.

Quoting Einstein out of context, they say that good and evil are relative; that there are no moral absolutes.

They lie. Only two laws are needed to change the entire universe: Never use initiatory force, and never cheat.

The people who run our world constantly break both.

Aristotle believed that man is basically good, decent and noble. If left to his own devices he’ll seek individual happiness within an orderly society.

For Aristotle, human life and sovereign consciousness were the universe’s greatest values.

But Plato believed man is a wild and savage beast, incapable of self-discipline. To manage him for his own best ends, man needs rulers – kings, governments, priests, presidents.

For Plato, human life is worthless, to be endlessly sacrificed to “higher” causes and ideals.

Which one do you think the world followed?

Mao Tse-Tung spouted a lot of nonsense, but he sure got one thing right: All (political) power comes out the barrel of a gun.

You don’t believe me, do you? You live in a democracy. You vote for your leaders.

So tell me – what happens if you want to disobey them?

Say you don’t like the President. You object to paying taxes to support him, his family, his pets, his bodyguards and the friends he wangled jobs for. What do you do?

Or say you don’t like your taxes being used to subsidize foreign arms sales for slaughter in the third world. How can you stop it?

Vote for somebody else, whose policy is the same? Don’t vote?

The government pretends to be there to serve you. In reality, it’s there to tell you what to do.

If you refuse to obey, you’ll be investigated – arrested – criminalized.

Your assets will be seized and given to the state. You will be jailed.

Albert Einstein said that “The only justifiable purpose of political institutions is to ensure the unhampered development of the individual.”

But our institutions are the opposite. They enslave us – rule us by fear and deceit!

They’d gladly bomb us back into the stone age! They don’t want the common man to be anything but a slave!

The world has gone wrong. But I swear by every breath in my body – I will put it right again!

In harsh economic terms, there are only two kinds of people in the world: those who produce goods, services and values ... and those who don’t.

And before you say what about the old, the young, and the sick – we look after them, right? That’s what makes us human.

Intentional non-producers are parasites. To hide their parasitism, they employ the techniques of deception, coercion, and naked force.

Parasites can never create. They can only destroy.

Today, for the first time in history, the parasites outnumber the producers who support them.

They’re entering a final feeding frenzy, which will result in the ultimate evil – a totalitarian state.

Where administration bigwigs view the world from stretch limos, while families sleep in cardboard boxes –

Corrupt businessmen flourish, while honest men beg in the gutter –

Crime explodes – while decent folk are afraid to walk the streets their taxes pay for.

All human life is there – from the best to the worst, the kings in their fortresses to the scum in their sties. And all of them believe it has to be that way.

I’m going to show them that it doesn’t.

The world is collapsing. Madness flares everywhere the animal mind reclaims the conscious mind.

The religious slaughters – the inter-tribal massacres – the wars for oil – have turned our planet into a charnel pit.

Grinding poverty affects half mankind. 20 million people die each year because they’re hungry.

And who pays for the parasites who cause it all? The common man ... his wife ... their children.

The elites have always won. The common man has always lost.

Until tonight.

I merely intend to hold up a mirror, and say – “See what you are, and see what you could be.

“Mankind is poised between a future in the stars, and a future in the mud. So stop the killing – stop the lies – and let’s start living!”

Imagine – you’re a child again. Filled with innocence, and wonder, and life. Remember how good it felt?

That’s what the parasites stole from us. They bled us dry. And like sheep we lined up to give more blood.

But we can have back all that they stole, and more.

The information age provides a spotlight the parasites can’t squirm away from.

Identify them. Negate their evil. Ostracize them.

Step with me into a better world.

– Anarky
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 27, 2011, 01:30:00 PM
To all the "my country tis of thee" jingoists and "America--Love it or leave it!" fucktards,
This one's for you:

http://www.harrybrowne.org/articles/AmericaLoveIt.htm
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Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 28, 2011, 02:22:31 AM
@Ibrahim90:  What does "sth" mean?

something. it's a shorthand (sorta).
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Post by: AnCap Dave on December 28, 2011, 07:42:39 AM
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Post by: MrBogosity on December 28, 2011, 09:25:07 AM
From Steve Kubby on his Facebook page:

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THOUGHTS ON TURNING 65 YEARS OLD TODAY

First of all, I never thought I would ever live to the ripe old age of 65 AND if I did live that long, I would be an old geezer for sure. Nothing in my wildest imagination prepared me for the reality that I’d be skiing over a million vertical feet a year, heading up two companies and helping to repeal California’s horrible marijuana laws.

I was 28 when doctors first told me I had malignant pheochromocytoma (adrenal cancer), that it was terminal and that I had as little as six months to live. The following summer everyone pitched in and helped to run Earth Camp One and we had a good year, even though I was bedridden and in terrible pain much of the time.

That’s when my old college roommate, Cheech Marin dropped by for a visit and offered me a joint. I explained that marijuana is bad for the immune system, or so I thought, and I declined his offer. Cheech was determined to get me high and pointed out that if I only had six months to live, I might I well enjoy it. So we toked up and had a great time.

The next morning, when I took my blood pressure, it was normal for the first time in months. I couldn’t and wouldn’t allow myself to believe it, but after several weeks it was obvious that cannabis was controlling my hypertension and other symptoms of my disease.

So here I am, stunned and amazed to be turning 65, healthy and happy to be alive, surrounded by wonderful friends and awesome children, grateful beyond words for this healing herb that has saved my life.

I’m also very grateful to my friend Cheech, for being there to guide me towards the discovery that cannabis really is good medicine.
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Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 28, 2011, 05:12:39 PM
beautiful story.

well, here's a good one.

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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2011, 07:34:09 PM
"Barack Obama has continued and expanded genocidal activities in the middle east, including the use of radioactive and chemical weapons that prevent pregnancy. He has overseen the mass slaughter of Africans in Somalia and the occupation of Uganda. He continues the blatantly racist drug war. He holds the record for most deportations of any president in American history. Ron Paul seeks to end most or all of these things. If you are truly anti-racist, you have much bigger fish to fry than him." --Stargazer5781 via a bulletin
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Post by: Travis Retriever on December 30, 2011, 04:20:22 PM

I wish Molyneux wouldn't call the Federal Reserve a "Semi Private Bank".  It isn't.  It's a government central bank.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 01, 2012, 10:44:51 PM
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace.  We ask not your counsels or your arms.  Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.  May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."  -- Samuel Adams
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Post by: AnCap Dave on January 06, 2012, 08:44:20 AM
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Post by: Goaticus on January 06, 2012, 05:05:16 PM
"Left-wing politicians take away your liberty in the name of children and of fighting poverty, while right-wing politicians do it in the name of family values and fighting drugs. Either way, government gets bigger and you become less free."

Harry Browne
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Post by: AnCap Dave on January 07, 2012, 04:21:30 PM

It was great until it turned into a Ron Paul love fest.

I like Ron and all, but when you're talking about how Republicans and Democrats are the same, and how elections are a farce, you don't finish the segment by endorsing another Republican for that election, even if he does have pretty good ideas.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 07, 2012, 07:07:13 PM
"Too many in the press interpret any public expression--no matter what--as a desire for more government. If rioters burned down IRS offices and lynched IRS agents, these reporters would assume the rioters were upset because their taxes were too low." --Harry Browne
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 09, 2012, 09:20:24 AM
"A government dogmatist is someone who, after government has legislated away all non-government alternatives, says that Libertarians are hypocrites for not using those alternatives." --Me

(For talking points purposes, "alternatives" are things like private fire departments, private post offices, private roads, etc.)
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 09, 2012, 11:41:00 AM
"A government dogmatist is someone who, after government has legislated away all non-government alternatives, says that Libertarians are hypocrites for not using those alternatives." --Me

(For talking points purposes, "alternatives" are things like private fire departments, private post offices, private roads, etc.)
True.
That.
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Post by: AnCap Dave on January 09, 2012, 07:53:06 PM
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Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 09, 2012, 10:52:58 PM
    "Next time someone's in court for missing some obscure tax payment, he should just say 'I'll be my own defense' and just bring in book after book after book after book of the tax code, look at the judge and say 'are you kidding me?!  Ignorance of the law is no excuse?  Does ANYBODY know what's in these books?  No!  Don't give me this ridiculous nonsense.'"  - Stefan
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 10, 2012, 12:08:53 AM
@LordTHawkeye: I posted a comment about why you went over 10....I think you might be interested in it.  :P
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Post by: Goaticus on January 10, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
Jerry Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy.

"    in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: those who work to further the actual goals of the organization, and those who work for the organization itself. Examples in education would be teachers who work and sacrifice to teach children, vs. union representatives who work to protect any teacher including the most incompetent. The Iron Law states that in all cases, the second type of person will always gain control of the organization, and will always write the rules under which the organization functions."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 10, 2012, 06:40:24 AM
@LordTHawkeye: I posted a comment about why you went over 10....I think you might be interested in it.  :P

"These go to 11!" --Spın̈al Tap
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 10, 2012, 11:41:01 AM
"These go to 11!" --Spın̈al Tap

 ;D

actually, it's the fact that he made a Doug Walker reference (he is the Nostalgia critic/thatguywiththeglasses).
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 13, 2012, 04:55:42 PM
"There's not an exercise or workout that can be done with an audience that wouldn't be far more comfortable being done alone." -- (From #5 on the list) (http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-jerks-you-meet-in-every-gym/)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 14, 2012, 09:40:56 AM
"The problem with political jokes is they get elected." - Henry Cate
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 15, 2012, 06:14:30 PM
Never thought I'd post one of SMOSH's videos in this thread.  But yeah.  That one was made of win.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 16, 2012, 10:54:15 AM
"Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the question, 'Is it politic?' And Vanity comes along and asks the question, 'Is it popular?' But Conscience asks the question, 'Is it right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. I believe today that there is a need for all people of good will to come together with a massive act of conscience and say in the words of the old Negro spiritual, 'We ain't goin' study war no more.'" --Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Post by: AnCap Dave on January 19, 2012, 03:44:48 PM
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Post by: MrBogosity on January 19, 2012, 07:32:37 PM
Just got through watching that. Good speech!
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Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 21, 2012, 02:03:54 AM
well, keeping to the idea that one places favorite quotes here (no one said what topic), I thought I'd add this. for some context, this is a modding project for Medieval II: total war, called Europa Barbarorum II. it's been going on since 2009, and the wait...well, it plays with people's minds:


http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?118629-Twitter-discussion/page53 (it goes on to the next page or two)

here's what I thought was the best of the bunch-it's aboutTarbosaurus' (farcical) use in the Hellenistic era:

Quote from: moonburn
historically their main problem was that you couldn´t have cavalry if you used those babies and if we consider that todays closest living relative to those beauty´s are the chicken then their original place of domestication south east asia doesn´t show up in our map wich brings in more problems in explaining and portraying the enviroment in wich they ended up being domesticated originally, most archeological evidences show that at the start they consumed only 1 virgin every 2 weeks per animal until people started to feed them with pigs and other mamals wich lead to an increase in their methabolic rate and their numbers increased dramatically wich caused demographic problems due to the competition for food most empires that used them where considered invincible but fell down due to internal problems because everytime there was a draught those babies revolted and started eating the peasents wich lead to popular outcry against the excessive budget of the army required to mantain those special units wich where inefective in amphibious attacks or against simple stakes in the ground

in many ways and in comparison with todays civilizations they could be considered the atom bomb of their day since the creation costs too much resources and once you use them you´ll be doomed in the short medium term so yes they look nice but their priçe goes far beyond their recruitment cost (/stupidity)

and yes, I did (accidentally) start this-the silly paleontologist in me. I fear it might become a meme.  :shrug:

and yes, I do feel embarrassed by this.  :-[

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 21, 2012, 09:37:19 PM
"If you truly love the unborn, the LAST thing you should want to do is turn it into the incredible failure the War on Drugs has been." --Me
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 22, 2012, 12:22:52 AM
well, keeping to the idea that one places favorite quotes here (no one said what topic)
It doesn't matter the topic.  It's fairly open-ended as should be implied from Hawkeye's first post to this thread.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 22, 2012, 12:24:18 AM
"If you truly love the unborn, the LAST thing you should want to do is turn it into the incredible failure the War on Drugs has been." --Me
Or support the selling of the unborn via the national debt.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 23, 2012, 09:00:59 AM
NSC is back, baby!

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 23, 2012, 05:11:04 PM
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/5268-Piracy-Episode-One-Copyright

I do so love Jim Sterling.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 23, 2012, 06:08:51 PM
"The real test of a radical or revolutionary is not the willingness to confront the orthodoxy and arrogance of the rulers but the readiness to contest the illusions and falsehoods among close friends and allies." --Christopher Hitchens
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 24, 2012, 07:09:54 AM
"Everything you want is on the other side of fear." --R. Lee Wrights
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 24, 2012, 12:34:09 PM
Full of win: http://reason.com/archives/2012/01/24/do-we-need-a-law-to-make-people-think

Quote
Members of the General Assembly seem to have some kind of disassociative disorder. When a woman walks into a gun store, socially conservative legislators like Cole treat her as rational, well informed, and fully capable of making her own decisions without a lot of “bureaucratic red tape.” But if the same woman walks into an abortion clinic, suddenly she’s an addled dimwit who hasn’t given her decision two seconds’ thought, and somebody needs to make her.

It’s probably fair to say many of the more liberal members of the Assembly share the same biases in reverse: Women who get abortions have thought long and hard, they believe, but gun buyers are just walking blends of testosterone and nitroglycerine, ready to explode at the slightest nudge.

This doesn’t paint a very flattering picture of the citizens the lawmakers represent. But the picture it paints of the legislators themselves should be downright embarrassing.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 24, 2012, 04:25:20 PM
"I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People.
This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government.
Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.
This is the only public statement I will be making on this topic." - Tim Thomas on why he didn't go to the White House with the rest of the Boston Bruins.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on January 25, 2012, 09:05:00 PM
From a question on reddit to Barry Eisler, author and former CIA case officer.

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/ouml9/iama_bestselling_novelist_and_former_cia_who/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/ouml9/iama_bestselling_novelist_and_former_cia_who/)

"Is it true that the CIA created dinosaurs to discourage time travel?"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on January 25, 2012, 11:19:14 PM
And one of Barry Eisler's response to a question about SOPA.

"Sometimes the answer is that the government really is inept. But other times, you have to be careful about assuming you understand the true objective in play. If you assume wrongly, the tactics the government is using to achieve what you assume is the objective will seem stupid. If you correctly understand the objective, though, the tactics can be impressively sound.

On SOPA, for example, if you assume stopping piracy is the true objective, the bill seems stupid. If you understand that the true objective is the expansion of government power over the citizenry, the bill makes sense."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 25, 2012, 11:41:07 PM
And speaking of piracy:  http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/5268-Piracy-Episode-One-Copyright

Wow.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 26, 2012, 06:54:04 AM
On SOPA, for example, if you assume stopping piracy is the true objective, the bill seems stupid. If you understand that the true objective is the expansion of government power over the citizenry, the bill makes sense."

And if you understand that the true objective is to stop independent bands and filmmakers from having an efficient means of distributing their content outside the cartels of the MPAA and RIAA, it makes even more sense!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 26, 2012, 11:42:34 AM
Always follow the money.  For example, who lobbied for SOPA?

Or who lobbied for socialized healthcare?  Was it patients who weren't getting the care they needed?  I think not.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 26, 2012, 04:48:07 PM
Ron Paul Would Ignite the Debate If He Said This: http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/ron-paul-would-ignite-the-debate-if-he-said-this/
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Post by: Travis Retriever on January 26, 2012, 05:47:22 PM
@Shane:  I loved this bit:  “Our campaign has received twice as much money in donations from active-duty military than all other Republican candidates combined, and I’ve been endorsed by the former head of the CIA’s Osama bin Laden unit, who says the other candidates are feeding you propaganda instead of the truth.

“Mitt Romney’s top donors are Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse, and Morgan Stanley. Mine are the Army, the Navy, and the Air Force."

Reminds me of that one conservative former friend of mine who blathered on about how he's for the military, basically acting like they're his gang (seriously).  The kicker?  He's against Ron Paul because he's convinced he's racist.

Well, if Ron Paul is racist (he's not), then the army is super racist for donating the most money to him.
He supports Mitt Romney as if he's different from Obama, yet criticizes the latter as being a socialist that he wouldn't vote for.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on January 26, 2012, 06:18:15 PM
@Shane:  I loved this bit:  “Our campaign has received twice as much money in donations from active-duty military than all other Republican candidates combined, and I’ve been endorsed by the former head of the CIA’s Osama bin Laden unit, who says the other candidates are feeding you propaganda instead of the truth.

“Mitt Romney’s top donors are Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse, and Morgan Stanley. Mine are the Army, the Navy, and the Air Force."

Reminds me of that one conservative former friend of mine who blathered on about how he's for the military, basically acting like they're his gang (seriously).  The kicker?  He's against Ron Paul because he's convinced he's racist.

Well, if Ron Paul is racist (he's not), then the army is super racist for donating the most money to him.
He supports Mitt Romney as if he's different from Obama, yet criticizes the latter as being a socialist that he wouldn't vote for.

Well if he supports Mitt Romney and the only difference between them is skin color ask him if that means he's racist.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 26, 2012, 06:34:48 PM
Well if he supports Mitt Romney and the only difference between them is skin color ask him if that means he's racist.
ZING!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 27, 2012, 09:40:40 AM
"Even while acknowledging that Washington is broken and that Americans have lost faith and trust in government, all President Obama could offer was more interference and government mandates as solutions to the problems government itself has created. His latest gem: “smart regulations to prevent irresponsible behavior.” Government is not just broken. It is running out of control, destroying our lives, our liberty, our security and our livelihood."- Lee Wrights (http://wrights2012.com/2012/01/the-state-of-the-union-is-still-a-state-of-war-2/)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 27, 2012, 12:09:41 PM
I got on a roll last night

http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/art/Justice-for-sale-281738163

http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/The-true-cost-of-free-281742738#comments

When my friend showed me the picture in the first one, it just wrote itself.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 27, 2012, 02:46:37 PM
http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/art/Justice-for-sale-281738163

You should definitely make a video on this point.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 27, 2012, 04:11:25 PM
I think I will.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 27, 2012, 04:39:45 PM
Thereby confirming what most (if not all) of us already knew.  ;)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on January 27, 2012, 09:48:36 PM
More win from Barry Eisler on the subject of using marketing to brand Republicans as the party of small government.

"If a new party entered the fray on a platform of torture, federalization of end-of-life decisions, federalization of marriage, imprisonment of suspects without trial, use of the military for domestic law enforcement, prohibition of drugs and SWAT raids into family homes to catch people smoking pot, empowering the State Department to strip Americans of their citizenship, and a trillion-dollar-a-year, million-and-a-half-man, eight-hundred-overseas-bases military, would you naturally feel, "At last! A party of small government!"? Yet these are all Republican policies."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on January 27, 2012, 09:51:09 PM
And my favorite response of his to people who claim Republicans are for small government even if their administrations and legislative representatives never vote that way.

"I suppose you could argue the Republican small government brand persists because the theory of the GOP is small government, with the problem being the corrupt way successive Republican administrations have implemented that theory. Maybe. But on that argument, shouldn't Communism continue to enjoy a solid brand, too?"

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on January 27, 2012, 10:53:02 PM
And Barry on the Military.

"The Pentagon as Trustworthy. Let's not even go back to Vietnam; we'll confine our examples just to our current wars, instead. So:

Jessica Lynch. Pat Tillman. The 2007 helicopter attack on Iraqi civilians. The Khataba coverup.

Have you ever known someone who lied even about small things? You immediately knew that person wasn't trustworthy, didn't you? And you didn't trust him thereafter, right? So what's different about the military?"
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 28, 2012, 01:08:18 PM
"Not only is the amount that prices rise an inflation tax, but also the amount that prices didn't fall is also included in the inflation tax. Due to improvements in productivity, more goods are created so prices should be falling. On the gold standard, prices fell and the economy boomed." -- thesilverjournal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN7lEMXZRMM)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 28, 2012, 09:46:25 PM
"May the good Lord bless and keep the Czar...far away from us!" --Fiddler on the Roof
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2012, 10:43:18 AM
"May the good Lord bless and keep the Czar...far away from us!" --Fiddler on the Roof
Eh?  How is this a fail quote?
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 30, 2012, 11:20:53 AM
Eh?  How is this a fail quote?
Oops, that was supposed to be in Faves.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 30, 2012, 02:50:01 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/397278_266047146799092_103005129769962_641315_740800687_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 30, 2012, 04:41:24 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/397278_266047146799092_103005129769962_641315_740800687_n.jpg)

now that should be a signature banner  ;D
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 31, 2012, 02:20:29 PM
Fav not only for treatment of the subject, but also explaining how many economic metrics like inflation adjustment and average wage can lead you to the wrong conclusion.

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 31, 2012, 05:29:51 PM
Fav not only for treatment of the subject, but also explaining how many economic metrics like inflation adjustment and average wage can lead you to the wrong conclusion.
What is?  I don't see an additional block of text that is in quotes, or a video.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 31, 2012, 05:30:36 PM
"All you guys complaining about the possibility of guy on guy relationships...you're also denying us girl on girl.  Works both ways if you know what I mean." -- Jesse Cox on SWTOR
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 31, 2012, 05:35:39 PM
What is?  I don't see an additional block of text that is in quotes, or a video.

Damn bogons...
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 01, 2012, 10:18:57 AM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 02, 2012, 08:11:14 PM
(http://guyism.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/10.jpg)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 03, 2012, 02:18:57 AM
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/end-of-poverty/

Posted on an old friend's facebook page. I wouldn't exactly say he knows any better, but still...

EDIT: Crap! Meant to post this in fail quotes. How do I move posts again?

That's okay. I'll use it to segue into a fav quote about documentaries.


"When I make a film, I never want the film to become a vehicle of social propaganda. If I wanted to do that, I'd make documentaries."
Norman Jewison

 
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2012, 09:44:05 PM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2012, 09:46:35 PM

1:00 - 1:21 -- And how statist twats like him (and Vogter2100 and others) call free market economics "free market fundamentalism".
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 06, 2012, 10:51:06 PM
This reminds me of every single Neoconservative I've ever met.

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 06, 2012, 10:55:47 PM
This reminds me of every single Neoconservative I've ever met.


Who else feels sorry for his (former) girlfriend? :P
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2012, 01:21:19 AM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2012, 01:30:33 AM
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 07, 2012, 01:50:57 PM
Who else feels sorry for his (former) girlfriend? :P

I do! :P

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 07, 2012, 08:46:52 PM
Who else feels sorry for his (former) girlfriend? :P

I still thought it was hilarious when she hit him with the pistol.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2012, 11:47:49 PM
"Rationalwiki: what happens when Encyclopedia Dramatica takes itself seriously." -- eleutheromaniac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Gc6ukr9JA)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 08, 2012, 10:29:17 PM
"Yeah, that's right. Even the Daleks won't watch reality television..." - SFDebris in a review of 'Bad Wolf' when the Daleks are revealed as the masters who "don't watch the shows".
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 09, 2012, 01:56:53 AM

1:00 - 1:21 -- And how statist twats like him (and Vogter2100 and others) call free market economics "free market fundamentalism".

Pony tail looks good on me and don't you ever forget it Maher!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 09, 2012, 04:24:23 PM
Pony tail looks good on me and don't you ever forget it Maher!

I've always thought so.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 10, 2012, 12:00:25 PM
Greatest Onion article ever (http://www.theonion.com/articles/iran-worried-us-might-be-building-8500th-nuclear-w,27325/)

Quote
TEHRAN—Amidst mounting geopolitical tensions, Iranian officials said Wednesday they were increasingly concerned about the United States of America's uranium-enrichment program, fearing the Western nation may soon be capable of producing its 8,500th nuclear weapon. "Our intelligence estimates indicate that, if it is allowed to progress with its aggressive nuclear program, the United States may soon possess its 8,500th atomic weapon capable of reaching Iran," said Iranian foreign minister Ali Akbar Salehi, adding that Americans have the fuel, the facilities, and "everything they need" to manufacture even more weapons-grade fissile material. "Obviously, the prospect of this happening is very distressing to Iran and all countries like Iran. After all, the United States is a volatile nation that's proven it needs little provocation to attack anyone anywhere in the world whom it perceives to be a threat." Iranian intelligence experts also warned of the very real, and very frightening, possibility of the U.S. providing weapons and resources to a rogue third-party state such as Israel.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 10, 2012, 02:22:05 PM
Greatest Onion article ever (http://www.theonion.com/articles/iran-worried-us-might-be-building-8500th-nuclear-w,27325/)
The Onion is made of win!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 11, 2012, 12:04:35 AM
You know what I wish?  I wish I could edit posts on my youtube or Deviantart channel.
Why?
Next time someone tries to argue that the ends justify the means, I'll simply edit their post to instead have them singing "I'm a happy happy girl"
When they get angry and demand to know why I did that, I'll reply "Your post annoyed me.  Now it doesn't anymore.  The ends justify the means"
- Me
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 11, 2012, 09:23:25 AM
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Post by: Travis Retriever on February 11, 2012, 11:33:31 AM
TB rage:  There are no words to describe the awesome.

Me:  "TB hates teh Pon3z?  BLASPHEMY!!!
Though I'm not one to throw stones, as I think Doctor Who (all of it) is high brow stuff for top hat wearing Bourgeois mufuggas."  -- a comment I posted on his video
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 11, 2012, 07:37:54 PM
A great video about Obamaton's.

Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 12, 2012, 12:53:30 PM
To everyone that complains that not allowing laws against gay marriage somehow affects their freedom of religion.

(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/417668_371821806161925_275373239140116_1447191_447812794_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 13, 2012, 10:46:50 PM
Martial Arts trainer Matt Thornton "You don’t try to measure a door by sacrificing a goat, or using divination. Likewise, conclusions that are the result of faith-based processes, things such as astrology, homeopathy, and the power of prayer, have all been shown, conclusively, to not work. Again, faith based processes lead one farther away from truth, not closer."
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 14, 2012, 09:48:59 PM
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/419380_363789976972151_192214550796362_1370413_858847685_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 14, 2012, 11:07:28 PM
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/419380_363789976972151_192214550796362_1370413_858847685_n.jpg)

Is that available in a larger resolution?  The text is far too small to read.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 14, 2012, 11:34:58 PM
Sorry, I got it off of facebook. I could expand it their but not here. I'll look for a bigger one.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 14, 2012, 11:39:18 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431255_10150662557695358_653265357_11621324_1724430498_n.jpg)

My girl says the last picture is totally me.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 15, 2012, 12:05:02 AM
Much Obliged, Goaticus. :)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 15, 2012, 01:35:32 AM
That is amazingly true.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 15, 2012, 05:52:19 PM
"But this saga exposes a sad underlying truth of American society—that religious individuals have, for all practical purposes, more rights than the non-religious. Freedom of conscience for not only President Obama, but also the media and most members of Congress extends only to those who base their conscientious objections on dogma. Secular moral convictions—like the basic belief that coercion is immoral—need not apply for the president’s “religious exception.” "

David Bier
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 16, 2012, 07:49:57 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-common-anti-internet-arguments-that-are-statistically-bs/

When John Cheese has it on, he has it ON!
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 17, 2012, 08:59:17 PM
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s320x320/407120_10151277851520654_788555653_22760345_1137846463_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 17, 2012, 09:28:42 PM
I need to get a box of these buttons.

(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s320x320/427188_366994019995512_196601040368145_1391151_803929101_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 18, 2012, 01:44:45 PM
"If someone convinces you of a lie, you will come to regard anyone who tells the truth as your enemy." --Me
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 18, 2012, 08:42:13 PM
Ludwig von Mises: "Man is not, like the animals, an obsequious puppet of instincts and sensual impulses. Man has the power to suppress instinctive desires, he has a will of his own, he chooses between incompatible ends." - The Ultimate Foundation of Economic Science
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 18, 2012, 08:44:47 PM
"Under the division of labor, the structure of society rests on the shoulders of all men and women."

— Ludwig von Mises, in Bureaucracy


You gotta love Mises.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 18, 2012, 08:49:46 PM
"'Who is the biggest underdog of all time?'  The masses."

—  Stefan Molyneux
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 20, 2012, 12:31:12 AM
As stupid as some internet memes are, I will never get tired of this one.

(http://geke.us/InflationMeme.001.jpg)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 20, 2012, 01:03:47 AM
In the Austrian School's defense, the 5th and last panels of are not mutually exclusive.
I've yet to meet an Austrian who didn't refer to inflation as both the "inflation tax" AND as the biggest cause of the boom & bust cycle.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 20, 2012, 06:59:28 AM
I would say other than the "What Keynesians think" panel all of the rest at least have a point.
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 20, 2012, 11:53:00 AM
As stupid as some internet memes are, I will never get tired of this one.

I'm amazed I haven't seen one for atheism yet, so I made one:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7069/6910507613_3051b464e0_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6910507613/)
Title: Re: Fav quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 20, 2012, 05:16:45 PM
I would say other than the "What Keynesians think" panel all of the rest at least have a point.
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