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Title: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on January 16, 2013, 04:19:45 PM
This aspect of gun control is rarely discussed, so I thought it would be a good idea to put it out here. That topic would be the illicit manufacture, or gunsmithing of black market firearms. If gun control was passed many arms manufacturing companies in the US would go out of business, many of them produce guns almost exclusively for civilian market. One such example would be STI International. With many talented gun designers and gun makers out of work, there is a big possibility that they could start making copies of firearms for the underground market. Think it is not possible? Think again. It has already happened in the Philippines. In fact many of the guns made by underground gunsmiths in the Philippines end up in the hands of the Japanese Yakuza, Chinese Triads, and other criminal elements in east asia.

Read these for more info

http://kitup.military.com/2011/10/the-home-brewed-danao-guns-of-the-philippines.html

http://www.dausa.org/2007/04/24/boboy-and-danao%E2%80%99s-thunder-things/
 
http://www.photoblog.com/undergroundpix/2008/05/28/

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/asia/south_east_asia/AJ201112270001n

You think that is impressive you should see the illegal arms manufacturing going on in Pakistan. Where they can make fully automatic, Kalashnikovs, H&Ks, m16s, and Even Russian RPGs and US stinger missiles.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5066860.stm

http://www.worldpress.org/Asia/2942.cfm#down

http://tribune.com.pk/story/458310/the-legendary-gunsmiths-of-darra-adam-khel/

http://tribune.com.pk/story/423534/illegal-arms-k-p-home-department-to-crackdown-on-dormant-factories/

http://newagerants.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/darra-adam-khel-the-coolest-place-on-earth-7/

SO any opinions or comments on here. How do you think it will work in the US?
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on January 16, 2013, 05:47:58 PM
 :-\ No replies anyone?
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: MrBogosity on January 16, 2013, 08:33:30 PM
None from me, other than thanks for the info.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on January 16, 2013, 10:26:25 PM
 Your welcome Shane.:)
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: MrBogosity on January 17, 2013, 07:21:29 AM
Your welcome Shane.:)

Aww, now I'm going to have to do this:


:P
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on January 17, 2013, 01:58:45 PM
Whoops ;D
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on February 17, 2013, 05:07:46 PM

Apparently India is also making illegal weapons. Mainly single shot pistols. These are not as fancy as the ones in the Philippines or Pakistan but they have been used in murders.  The criminal here also has an advantage because you can destroy the weapon thus destroying the evidence and they can get another one because it's very cheap. They cost about 1000-1500 rupees each, which is a about 20-30 US dollars.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 17, 2013, 05:51:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMfxM0diG28

Apparently India is also making illegal weapons. Mainly single shot pistols. These are not as fancy as the ones in the Philippines or Pakistan but they have been used in murders.  The criminal here also has an advantage because you can destroy the weapon thus destroying the evidence and they can get another one because it's very cheap. They cost about 1000-1500 rupees each, which is a about 20-30 US dollars.

remind me to get one for Obama someday.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on February 17, 2013, 05:59:27 PM
Or maybe this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C5%82yskawica_submachine_gun

 :)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Blyskawica.jpg)
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 17, 2013, 07:07:16 PM
Or maybe this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C5%82yskawica_submachine_gun

 :)

I can see this going into Palestinian hands. might not drive the Israelis out, but it may help keep what we have left, should enough be made for refugees or townsfolk. could use field strip simplification: clearly held together with screws and threads, rather than the typical methods of the time (or today), and would take forever for a person with little understanding of the niceties of weapon maintenance.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on February 17, 2013, 07:53:07 PM
I can see this going into Palestinian hands. might not drive the Israelis out, but it may help keep what we have left, should enough be made for refugees or townsfolk. could use field strip simplification: clearly held together with screws and threads, rather than the typical methods of the time (or today), and would take forever for a person with little understanding of the niceties of weapon maintenance.

You're Palestinian?
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on February 17, 2013, 07:59:45 PM
I found another gold mine

http://improguns.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 17, 2013, 10:10:42 PM
You're Palestinian?

On my dad's side, yes. he's originally from Hebron. Mom's American. so half and half I guess...naturally, I have a vested interest in seeing my people well armed and ready to defend themselves.

EDIT: there is the caveat that Hamas shouldn't get this: only non Hamas regions (i.e. the West Bank). Hamas sucks at weapons manufacture (e.g. their shitty rockets). besides, they're genocidal in intent: I don't want my people to be treated like the Germans were.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on February 18, 2013, 12:16:11 AM
On my dad's side, yes. he's originally from Hebron. Mom's American. so half and half I guess...naturally, I have a vested interest in seeing my people well armed and ready to defend themselves.

EDIT: there is the caveat that Hamas shouldn't get this: only non Hamas regions (i.e. the West Bank). Hamas sucks at weapons manufacture (e.g. their shitty rockets). besides, they're genocidal in intent: I don't want my people to be treated like the Germans were.

So you don't like Hamas eh?
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 18, 2013, 12:56:32 AM
So you don't like Hamas eh?

no, I don't. Not because they're religious fanatics--that's incidental (or causative: sometimes I wonder if they were insane before they subbed to Hamas ideology). Their genocidal tendencies also don't endear them to me.

it's also because of their propensity of getting Palestinians killed at rates unseen since 1948....by giving the Israelis the excuse to rocket the ever loving shit out of Gaza, they're in many ways worse. the one thing going for them is that they aren't corrupt, but then, the insane rarely are.

but as we live in a crazy world, they won the 2006 legislative seats, and caused Gaza to split off from West bank.

don't like Fatah either (who are socialistic, and corrupt as hell)--so neither major party is much good*. And in case you're wondering, the other parties are staffed by communists or socialists (and they're a substantial minority: 8-15% of the seats)--and I don't mean the half-assed types you find in Europe. if there's one thing we really don't have, it's subtlety.

the only thing they have in common is that they all hate Israel (hatred of Jews themselves varies from mild to well past NAZI levels), and have a nationalist bend to them.

and no, there is no Libertarian party or organization there, and frankly, considering the social attitudes, it would have less luck than it does in the US, or Germany...or Russia. I'd start it, but, I'd be dead within a week, and to no advantage. If I'm to be killed, might as well not be in vain.

speaking of which, that's what the situation reminds me of: Russia in 1917: defeated, hungry, with shitty government, and lots of reds. wouldn't be shocked if it wound up the same way.

*assuming I had no choice at all, I'd go with Fatah--reluctantly. As I haven't been hit on the head enough times and do have a choice, they can lick my ass.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on February 18, 2013, 01:32:11 AM
no, I don't. Not because they're religious fanatics--that's incidental (or causative: sometimes I wonder if they were insane before they subbed to Hamas ideology). Their genocidal tendencies also don't endear them to me.

it's also because of their propensity of getting Palestinians killed at rates unseen since 1948....by giving the Israelis the excuse to rocket the ever loving shit out of Gaza, they're in many ways worse. the one thing going for them is that they aren't corrupt, but then, the insane rarely are.

but as we live in a crazy world, they won the 2006 legislative seats, and caused Gaza to split off from West bank.

don't like Fatah either (who are socialistic, and corrupt as hell)--so neither major party is much good*. And in case you're wondering, the other parties are staffed by communists or socialists (and they're a substantial minority: 8-15% of the seats)--and I don't mean the half-assed types you find in Europe. if there's one thing we really don't have, it's subtlety.

the only thing they have in common is that they all hate Israel (hatred of Jews themselves varies from mild to well past NAZI levels), and have a nationalist bend to them.

and no, there is no Libertarian party or organization there, and frankly, considering the social attitudes, it would have less luck than it does in the US, or Germany...or Russia. I'd start it, but, I'd be dead within a week, and to no advantage. If I'm to be killed, might as well not be in vain.

speaking of which, that's what the situation reminds me of: Russia in 1917: defeated, hungry, with shitty government, and lots of reds. wouldn't be shocked if it wound up the same way.

*assuming I had no choice at all, I'd go with Fatah--reluctantly. As I haven't been hit on the head enough times and do have a choice, they can lick my ass.

 This is why I'm reluctant to support either Israel or Palestine because of the bullshit that goes on in that messed up region (no offense). BTW what religion are you? You said in your introduction you aren't an atheist so Im curious.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 18, 2013, 11:27:29 AM
Quote
This is why I'm reluctant to support either Israel or Palestine because of the bullshit that goes on in that messed up region (no offense).

none taken. It's been a fact of life there since 1919 that the place is a tinderbox. It's what happens when you trust European governments to deliver their end of the deal (heck, trust any govco).

I was raised a Sunni Muslim--Shafi'i jurisprudence (so your average Muslim Palestinian). Nowadays I don't subscribe to any of the main sects of Islam: they all suck: Sunnism too friendly to status quo*, Shiism too much into butthurt over the house of Ali, Ibadis lack firmness (they are supposed to be Kharijites), Mu'tazilites didn't go far enough*, Wahhabis are too Calvinistic, and all around, Muhammad is spinning in his grave (assuming there is an afterlife). they're also far too sure of themselves. So nowadays, I am the local equivalent to "nondenominational".

still learned enough to describe the legal and religious differences in sects, and tell you what each broadly think on an issue, but that's another story.

*it evolved to prop up the Umayyads.
*they're the regions equivalent to deists, though not quite deist by western standards.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on February 18, 2013, 12:20:23 PM
Thank u for the info.

Moving back to black market firearms you should read this

http://books.google.com/books?id=rNNhhuURbLIC&pg=PA253&dq=danao+gunsmith+yakuza&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bmAiUaHkBKTTiwKoxYCgAg&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

On page 253

It says that in 1988 a Kyoto Yakuza Syndicate, the Aizu Kotetsu, recruited five of the Filipino gunsmiths in Danao to make guns for the syndicate. The operation got busted, however they were able to make 160 guns, which earned the Aizu Kotetsu 600,000 US dollars, meaning each gun was worth 5000 dollars a piece.   
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on February 18, 2013, 11:29:57 PM
This piece right here says that the Filipino made guns are popular among US criminals as well, but this source is not a very solid one it does not go into much detail.

 http://www.dausa.org/2002/07/05/danao-made-paltiks-are-weapons-of-choice-among-us-criminals/
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on February 22, 2013, 09:37:10 AM
More black market guns made in the Philippines.

http://kitup.military.com/2011/10/danao-sniper-rifles.html

(http://images-kitup.military.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/PLsniper-rifles.jpg)

(http://images-kitup.military.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/variety.jpg)
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on February 28, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
I found more pictures from Danao "Gun City" Philippine. This one is an absolute goldmine.

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&assetType=image&family=Editorial&p=danao+guns

My personal Favorites for he gallery (bellow)

(http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/112506477-view-inside-the-world-gun-manufacturing-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=lGnjDs01aeQKqjld9R%2fRadFROx1sDln465cphQHzyeiAMPV7B0KE1VWRll2vZhCzo%2f%2f0ogLfK%2fMxO3ecO6wtdw%3d%3d)
(http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/112505312-one-of-the-most-wanted-automatic-assault-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=lGnjDs01aeQKqjld9R%2fRaZ32j%2bXJbhzqk4a5u1D6uLQN5qTOudtY2PDYO0DHgJwYrzoM9zBOpXmHVggzIMcsJg%3d%3d)
(http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/112507106-mr-rio-shark-is-the-oldest-and-best-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=lGnjDs01aeQKqjld9R%2fRaZiefQFpptINM1VhR5WlPA8HP8y%2bJWacZ1Bidft54yDrhlEy59S%2b45gx47jQeHWl9A%3d%3d)

More articles

http://dumaguetemetropost.com/guns-seized-on-passenger-bus-p3126-459.htm

(http://dumaguetemetropost.com/clients/dumaguetemetropost/10-1-2012-5-42-55-PM-1281640.jpg)
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 24, 2013, 02:38:48 AM
You know its funny, They have all these illegal guns, but the homicide rate has been dropping in the Philippines, based on what I've seen.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on March 24, 2013, 10:42:02 PM
You know its funny, They have all these illegal guns, but the homicide rate has been dropping in the Philippines, based on what I've seen.

Seriously? I gotta look into that.

BTW If gun control advocates bring up Japan. Just tell them that many of these guns go directly to their very own Yakuza gangs .LOL ;D

(http://kyotojournal.org/ourfuture/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/yakuza2-e1321923861713.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 24, 2013, 11:36:08 PM
Seriously? I gotta look into that.

BTW If gun control advocates bring up Japan. Just tell them that many of these guns go directly to their very own Yakuza gangs .LOL ;D

http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/philippines/homicide-rate
it did go up in 2002 but, lowered fast.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: evensgrey on March 25, 2013, 08:40:21 AM
http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/philippines/homicide-rate
it did go up in 2002 but, lowered fast.

If I'm understanding it correctly, this excludes a portion of the deaths relating to the ongoing insurrection that's been occurring since the 19th century, correct?  (The page says that this statistic normally excludes killings by large, cohesive groups, so it wouldn't cover casualties in actual battles, but it sounds like it would cover killings in the really nasty, small scale stuff that tends to cause a lot of harm to bystanders.)
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on March 27, 2013, 08:35:18 PM

Yo guys (and gals if there are any on the bogosity forum) check this out.

This video above is about gun making industry in the Pakistani black market?

I think this factory might be legal, but the point still stands. They are making the guns with basic machining tools. Also it is in the Darra region. Lastly if guns were outlawed where do you think they will go?


http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/content/EkFyAkZElFDSBAXykb.html

This piece above says that some of the weapons that the Mexican drug cartels use might be coming from the Pakistani arms market. I don't really know if this source is solid but it is a possibility.


http://www.crimefilenews.com/2011/10/gun-banners-cant-fight-computer-aided.html

Need I say more about the piece on top?


http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1370&dat=19960404&id=UpMVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1QoEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6627,1266728

For more on the Philippines Black Market, here's an interesting piece from Filipino news paper above. Read page 153



Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on March 28, 2013, 06:20:57 PM
More Vids



enjoy and comment. :)
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on April 19, 2013, 01:01:36 AM
http://www.sportingshootermag.com.au/news/machinegun-maker-busted-in-south-australia

Yo guys check this out.

Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: MrBogosity on April 19, 2013, 06:52:55 AM
http://www.sportingshootermag.com.au/news/machinegun-maker-busted-in-south-australia

Yo guys check this out.

As they said in the movie Planet of the Apes: where there's one, there's another, and another, and another...
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on April 19, 2013, 03:30:36 PM
As they said in the movie Planet of the Apes: where there's one, there's another, and another, and another...

Like the drug trafficking networks.

If that is what's happening in Australia imagine the scale it would take place in the US. They do not even have as nearly as many civilian gun companies. With many civilian gun companies going out of business and many workers who have seen and know where to get blueprints, knows how to use CNC and proper heat treating equipment out of work, we won't just see improvised firearms we would see knock offs of existing handguns, assault rifles (Glock, Smith&Wessons, Colts, H&Ks, Walther, Izhmash, Beretta etc), probably some black market custom brands or maybe even RPGs and grenades.

Metal and material? Heck I know some rich people who would love to supply them e.g Mafias, well connected street gangs and probably even legitimate metal companies. Remember during alcohol prohibition there were some wealthy and influential people in on alcohol production and smuggling and the authorities turned a blind eye to it.

Equipment? Again, I know some rich people would would like to give to black market gun makers equipment. Any company working with metal has them. Heck most of it is available in basic machine shops. The 3d Printers also might come into it eventually if the Black Marketeers refine it to the point of making it work.

Smuggling? We would also see another market open for criminals south of the US border e.g. The Cartels. The Cartels are well know for smuggling in guns and ammunition from China Russia, and even out from armories from very unscrupulous elements in the Mexican police and military.

Some people will say that but most people won't be able to find them blah blah blah. Uh people the kids in  the Broncs know where every street corner drug dealers are. It is really arrogant to say that they can't find street corner arms dealers or illegal factories/workshops.
 
Just my take on it
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on April 25, 2013, 02:27:56 AM

Some of this is sensationalism but point still stands

It can be quite easy to get an illegal gun
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on May 01, 2013, 01:45:48 AM
This is an ATF report about the drug cartels using COUNTERFEIT M16s and M203 grenade launchers. They captured 41 m16 copies and 34 m203 launchers

http://www.cryptocomb.org/ATFE%20Mexico%20Counterfeit%20Colt%20M16A2%20Rifles%20and%20M203%20Grenade%20Launchers.pdf

They say that the Cartels might have made these clones.This is all speculation but it is a possibility The misspelling of the word "government", the letter "N" being missing is a sign that they could have been manufactured by the illegal gunsmiths in the Darra region of Pakistan. The gun-makers there are sometimes known for making typos when trying to replicate markings on the cloned guns. They also sometimes make some errors like leaving some parts out or adding addition parts on guns where they shouldn't be.


Skip to 5:01 and watch to 5:05 on the video(above) and turn captions on before watching.

"Made AS China." not "Made IN China"

See what I mean?

For more info look at article bellow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyber_Pass_Copy

Be careful with these guns tho. Some of them are good quality and some are basically bombs in your hand.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: MrBogosity on May 01, 2013, 07:02:44 AM
They say that the Cartels might have made these clones.This is all speculation but it is a possibility The misspelling of the word "government", the letter "N" being missing is a sign that they could have been manufactured by the illegal gunsmiths in the Darra region of Pakistan. The gun-makers there are sometimes known for making typos when trying to replicate markings on the cloned guns. They also sometimes make some errors like leaving some parts out or adding addition parts on guns where they shouldn't be.

I can't help wondering if that might be deliberate, kind of a sneaky way of seeing where your guns are going without using serial numbers.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: evensgrey on May 01, 2013, 07:19:53 AM
I can't help wondering if that might be deliberate, kind of a sneaky way of seeing where your guns are going without using serial numbers.

The misspellings and grammatical errors are probably more effective for that, since missing/extra parts are the sort of problem that is likely to be noticed and fixed, while a misspelled marking is unlikely to be noticed (particularly if the users of the guns are mostly not native speakers of the language the markings are in) and unlikely to be corrected if noticed.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on May 01, 2013, 02:03:49 PM
I can't help wondering if that might be deliberate, kind of a sneaky way of seeing where your guns are going without using serial numbers.

There is also an advantage for a  gun not to have serial numbers. It makes it more difficult to trace
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on May 10, 2013, 03:14:37 AM
http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=9290.0

I was searching the net for more on black market firearm manufacturing in the philippines. I came across this forum.

The guys on this forum page say they have seen M653s aka M16A1 carbines

(http://www.abload.de/img/m16a1carbineakacoltm6549i3.jpg)

S&W pattern revolvers. .357 and .38

(http://abwehr-us.org/images/SW_M66_17.jpg)

Ingram pattern machine pistols

(http://tripwiremilitaryantiques.com/images/MachineGuns/ingram%20mac%2010%20in%2045%20acp.jpg)

All of them locally made by the underground gunsmiths.

Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on June 07, 2013, 01:41:34 PM
Gun Situation Down South

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/germany-gun-trafficking-mexico

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/uruguayan-police-trafficking-guns-brazil

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/guinea-bissaus-top-military-leader-charged-after-farc-sting-operation

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/salvador-colonel-illegal-weapons-sales

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/argentine-military-guns-missing-pointing-to-brazil-connection

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/el-salvador-soldiers-accused-of-selling-weapons-to-guatemalan-honduran-gangs

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/rio-de-janeiro-police-caught-selling-seized-weapons

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-analysis/guatemala-and-the-black-market-for-us-weapons

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/colombia-seizes-china-made-guns-from-rastrojos-gang
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on June 15, 2013, 02:55:01 PM
http://www.unodc.org/documents/toc/Reports/TOCTASouthAmerica/English/TOCTA_CACaribb_firearmssmuggling_within_CAmerica.pdf

It turns out assault rifles even in war torn nations are not the most popular weapons around.

Handguns are the most popular weapons among criminals.

Some of the best places to get illegal guns in in Nicaragua. For example, a Turkish ship with 900 pistols and shotguns was headed to Nicaraguan port.

Corrupt Government Official (Like I have shown in the previous post).

I do not believe the solution recomended in this report will work because of the massive corruption in central America.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on June 21, 2013, 06:25:04 PM
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2010/09/state-police-arsenal-raided-in.html

43 H&K G-36 assault rifles, 26 9mm handguns, Body armor and Grenades stolen. Enough fire power to equip a platoon of soldiers.

(http://www.haborumuveszete.hu/rovatok/fegyverek/lo/megbizhatatlanok_az_m16-osok_lecserelik_oket/G36.jpg)

(http://pm.b5z.net/i/u/6129421/i/beretta-m9-commercial.jpg)

Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on July 16, 2013, 04:42:03 AM
http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/22-grenade-launchers-go-missing-from-honduras-army-supplies

22 RPG-7 Rocket Launchers go missing

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Rpg-7.jpg)
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on July 16, 2013, 01:49:06 PM
http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/ms-13-used-just-32-guns-to-kill-over-200-people-in-guatemala

The article says that pistols are the most popular weapons among the MS street gang in Guatemala and 85 percent of those pistols are STOLEN from local and national law enforcement.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on July 16, 2013, 02:26:51 PM
http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/weapons-ammo-stolen-from-honduras-police-warehouse

300 automatic rifles,

(http://remtek.com/arms/fn/fnc/fnc.gif)
(http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as24/fn_fnc1.jpg)

hundreds of thousands of ammunition,

(http://olive-drab.com/images/ammo_cans_02_400.jpg)

body armor

(http://www.undershirtguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/kevlar-body-armor.jpg)

and other misc weapons go missing from honduran police armory.

Warehouses were under 24 hour surveillance.

Authorities say this could not have happened unless criminals had insiders in the police.

 
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on July 17, 2013, 09:06:52 PM
http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/3000-guns-disappear-in-honduras

Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on July 18, 2013, 11:53:18 PM
I haven't added any pictures for the pakistani gunsmiths, have I?

http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/darra,pakistan/Interesting

Other photos

http://s16.photobucket.com/user/jpglee1/media/DarraFact1.jpg.html
http://s16.photobucket.com/user/jpglee1/media/DarraFact2.jpg.html
http://s16.photobucket.com/user/jpglee1/media/DarraFact3.jpg.html
http://s16.photobucket.com/user/jpglee1/media/DarraFact4.jpg.htm
http://s16.photobucket.com/user/jpglee1/media/DarraFact5.jpg.html
http://s16.photobucket.com/user/jpglee1/media/DarraFact6.jpg.html
http://s16.photobucket.com/user/jpglee1/media/DarraFact7.jpg.html
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on August 12, 2013, 10:12:46 PM
yo guys check this out.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/08/06/homebuilt-automatic-rifle-surrendered-bogota/

(http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/homemadeautomaticriflecolumbiaimproguns1-356x390.jpg)
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 13, 2013, 12:50:19 AM
quite a strange looking firearm...Hardly surprised this was in Columbia: the drug war is at its worst there and Mexico: we get the runoff..
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on August 13, 2013, 01:02:51 AM
I have to ask with nations like this down south of the US border what the hell makes people think that gun control will work here.

I mean the authorities in those countries can not even keep track of their police and military armories. Not to mention corrupt elements get in to these places. 
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on August 19, 2013, 04:31:20 PM
(https://lh3.ggpht.com/-CqaHK9hFFzQ/Uec8yYlG5UI/AAAAAAAAAP4/9LILfMguLnc/s1600/2011911854406372561.JPG)

Homemade shotguns

http://improguns.blogspot.com/2013/07/homemade-shotguns-china-and-jamaica.html
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: evensgrey on August 19, 2013, 05:19:57 PM
I have to ask with nations like this down south of the US border what the hell makes people think that gun control will work here.

I mean the authorities in those countries can not even keep track of their police and military armories. Not to mention corrupt elements get in to these places.

The authorities in the US can't keep track of their police and military armories, and the US doesn't have nearly the corruption problems that some countries in South America do.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on August 19, 2013, 06:12:12 PM
The authorities in the US can't keep track of their police and military armories, and the US doesn't have nearly the corruption problems that some countries in South America do.

Do have any numbers on how many guns are stolen from armories per year?

I did find these articles.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/30/california.stolen.firearms/index.html

http://laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=373911&CategoryId=14092
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: evensgrey on August 20, 2013, 08:29:46 AM
Do have any numbers on how many guns are stolen from armories per year?

I did find these articles.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/30/california.stolen.firearms/index.html

http://laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=373911&CategoryId=14092

The only statistics I've ever seen for this (which would be nearly 20 years old now) claims that thefts from police and military armories (almost all by corrupt police and soldiers) are comparable to thefts from private individuals and straw sales in terms of the supply of illegal guns used in crime in the US.  When I did a quick search, I found a report of hundreds of firearms being stolen from government armories in the UK as well, where that's pretty much the only possible domestic source of illegal guns, and similar reports in other countries (including a report of a vast number of long guns transferred from the US military to US police forces having disappeared), but not anything in terms of recent statistics.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on August 20, 2013, 03:53:36 PM
The only statistics I've ever seen for this (which would be nearly 20 years old now) claims that thefts from police and military armories (almost all by corrupt police and soldiers) are comparable to thefts from private individuals and straw sales in terms of the supply of illegal guns used in crime in the US.  When I did a quick search, I found a report of hundreds of firearms being stolen from government armories in the UK as well, where that's pretty much the only possible domestic source of illegal guns, and similar reports in other countries (including a report of a vast number of long guns transferred from the US military to US police forces having disappeared), but not anything in terms of recent statistics.

There are street gang members that are entering the armed forces.

I guess some of them got access to the armories.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: evensgrey on August 20, 2013, 05:12:50 PM
There are street gang members that are entering the armed forces.

I guess some of them got access to the armories.

That was the point of one of the articles I came up with as well.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on September 10, 2013, 02:58:03 PM
An Ar-15 pattern sub-machine gun
(http://www.reocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1014/colt/images/a2f_submachine.gif)
M1911 .45 caliber pistols
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/M1911_and_M1911A1_pistols.JPG/220px-M1911_and_M1911A1_pistols.JPG)

All made by the Philippines Backyard Gunsmiths

(see vids bellow)
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on September 10, 2013, 06:45:39 PM
This article gives us a hint how the DIY gunmakers in the philippines make the barrels of their guns. I have to tell you this article was not easy to find.

http://wall.eila.univ-paris-diderot.fr/dyn/txt/Herald94/0/5910443

Quote
The barrels had been fashioned out of thick steel pins from a junked bulldozer, crafted into working chrome-plated handguns by Filipino employees and finally engraved with U.S. markings.

I also found this Google Group

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.filipino/OJFDmM1oZHA
 
with one of the users by the name of Isip Bata giving a hint of this

This User says

Quote
Paltiks made in Danao are at par or even excels over the
original equipment produced abroad. An example is the
.45 ACP or M-1911-A1, whose barrel is machine-worked from the steel link
pins of a CAT bulldozer. Definitely better
than a Bar-Sto barrel anytime

I think them being better then a gun made in a Smith & Wesson plant is a bit of a stretch though

(M1911 barrels)
(http://combatrifle.net/1911/Briley%201911%20Barrel.jpg)
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on November 08, 2013, 12:08:52 AM

http://blog.solidconcepts.com/industry-highlights/worlds-first-3d-printed-metal-gun/

http://www.solidconcepts.com/news-releases/worlds-first-3d-printed-metal-gun-manufactured-solid-concepts/

Yo guys and gals check these out.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on November 28, 2013, 10:44:03 PM
http://blog.solidconcepts.com/industry-highlights/world/

2nd metal gun
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on December 18, 2013, 06:32:10 PM
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=363736&CategoryId=14091

South African Weapons found in Mexican Narco Traffickers' Arsenals
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on December 18, 2013, 07:43:46 PM
http://www.nuzhound.com/articles/irish_news/arts2005/oct6_Loyalists_hold_on_to_weapons.php


Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on December 18, 2013, 10:42:37 PM
Looks like South Africa is suffering some problems here

http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/The-reasons-why-there-are-so-many-guns-in-South-Africa-20130222
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on December 21, 2013, 04:53:29 PM
AT-4 Rocket Launcher recovered from LA gang.

(http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130404132112/walkingdead/images/c/cd/AT-4Launcher.jpg)

http://www.policemag.com/channel/gangs/news/2012/06/21/l-a-county-deputies-recover-rocket-launcher.aspx
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 22, 2013, 11:58:33 PM
AT-4 Rocket Launcher recovered from LA gang.

(http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130404132112/walkingdead/images/c/cd/AT-4Launcher.jpg)

http://www.policemag.com/channel/gangs/news/2012/06/21/l-a-county-deputies-recover-rocket-launcher.aspx


"if we don't have gun control, people will be using bazookas!"

yeah, still happens
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on December 23, 2013, 01:43:16 AM

"if we don't have gun control, people will be using bazookas!"

yeah, still happens

Look down south of the US border there are rocket and grenade attacks on a regular basis.

here are some examples

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/08/26/mexico.grenade.attack/

http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=568487&CategoryId=12393

http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=381155&CategoryId=23558
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 23, 2013, 03:10:12 PM
Look down south of the US border there are rocket and grenade attacks on a regular basis.

here are some examples

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/08/26/mexico.grenade.attack/

http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=568487&CategoryId=12393

http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=381155&CategoryId=23558

yeah, I'm totally not surprised: the stronger the gun control, the stronger the weapons...
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on December 23, 2013, 03:38:36 PM
yeah, I'm totally not surprised: the stronger the gun control, the stronger the weapons...

And if you think gun control is a failure in places like the UK and Australia, just wait and see if they pass a prohibition style ban on firearms in the US.  Those place might have illegal guns but they don't have a massive land border which is perfect for weapon smugglers, not to mention leading to corrupt and war torn nations.

Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on December 23, 2013, 03:44:50 PM
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-24/news/sns-rt-us-newyork-weapons-chinabre84n1io-20120524_1_illegal-gun-chinese-men-firearms
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on December 23, 2013, 04:07:21 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2219189/British-arms-dealer-smuggled-80-000-guns-32million-ammunition-rounds-China-Nigeria.html

Accused of selling 40,000 Kalashnikovs to the Nigerians

(http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as01/akm_gp25.jpg)

10,000 Pistols

(http://neastphilly.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/3-350x279.jpg)

If it's true all i can say is wow thats one big shipment
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: MrBogosity on December 27, 2013, 09:13:14 PM
AT-4 Rocket Launcher recovered from LA gang.

(http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130404132112/walkingdead/images/c/cd/AT-4Launcher.jpg)

http://www.policemag.com/channel/gangs/news/2012/06/21/l-a-county-deputies-recover-rocket-launcher.aspx

Turns out, not quite:

http://wizbangblog.com/2013/01/08/fake-news-l-a-copsmedia-tout-rocket-launcher-seizure-that-wasnt/

Quote
On December 27 L.A. Police Chief Charlie Beck displayed a pair of what he claimed were “weapons of war” turned in during his latest gun buyback program. Chief Beck told the media that a pair of “rocket launchers” turned up and he evidently wanted to scare his city and make waves in the media about his success in getting these “weapons of death” off the streets of L.A.

Of course, the “rocket launchers” Chief Beck showed the Old Media establishment were nothing of the kind. Instead, what Beck waved about during the December press conference were U.S. Army training devices that were dummy devices. They are essentially prop pieces made to show young soldiers what such anti-tank weapons look like and how they feel. These training devices have never been able to fire anything nor could they be made to do so.

But, details, details...

Quote
But upon looking into this story further, it appears that Chief Beck has played this misleading game at least once before and with the exact same device.

Back in May, Beck again paraded before the media with a “rocket launcher” he claimed his department had received during a gun buyback program. That piece, too, was clearly marked “trainer” and was incapable of ever firing any rockets.

So, no rocket launcher, just a lying bureaucrat trying to show off.

H/T: Kurrisso Hyde
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on December 27, 2013, 09:28:32 PM
Turns out, not quite:

http://wizbangblog.com/2013/01/08/fake-news-l-a-copsmedia-tout-rocket-launcher-seizure-that-wasnt/

But, details, details...

So, no rocket launcher, just a lying bureaucrat trying to show off.

H/T: Kurrisso Hyde

Oh my mistake,
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on January 20, 2014, 04:45:32 PM
patents for the DMLS printer expires this February
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on January 30, 2014, 12:07:48 AM
http://japandailypress.com/weapons-cache-seized-by-japanese-police-most-likely-yakuza-arsenal-2843180/

Quote
On Monday, Kanagawa Prefectural Police announced that it had seized pistols, a rifle and ammunition that is most likely a part of an arsenal of weapons owned by the Japanese mob – more popularly known as the yakuza.

The seizure of the weapons cache actually took place in December of 2013, and the prefectural police revealed that they had taken into their custody 18 hand guns which included Smith & Wesson revolvers and Colt automatic pistols, a military rifle and 670 rounds of ammunition – all found inside a home in an unidentified location in the prefecture. The police were able to locate the stash with the help of an anonymous tip, who informed them that the local yakuza were stockpiling weapons in the said house.

(http://cdn.japandailypress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/kanagawa-415x260.jpg)
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on January 30, 2014, 12:13:31 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-28/illegal-firearms-found-during-police-raid/5122316
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on March 04, 2014, 02:43:55 AM
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/polish-beha-resistance-smg/
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Skm1091 on July 04, 2014, 12:25:00 AM
http://www.armoryblog.com/firearms/hand-guns/the-iron-glock-homemade-frame-receiver/
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: evensgrey on February 26, 2015, 11:49:06 AM
And if you thought is was hard to stop people making GUNS, think about how easily you can make a BOW:


A PVC pipe, a heat gun, and some paracord.
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 26, 2015, 05:43:08 PM
And if you thought is was hard to stop people making GUNS, think about how easily you can make a BOW:


A PVC pipe, a heat gun, and some paracord.

whenever I get around to making one myself, I'm considering making some....alterations to the PVC bow. Doubtless there are ways of making them stronger: this bow is a pussy in comparison to ones from back home made of traditional materials (no offense to Skallagrim--love the guy).
Title: Re: The Black Market for Firearms
Post by: MrBogosity on May 02, 2018, 04:06:41 PM
The Luty SMG made with hardware store parts.

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