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#31
General Discussion / Re: Fav quotes
February 14, 2017, 04:57:34 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 26, 2017, 06:02:16 PM
"The antiwar left vacated when Obama took office.

The anti-corruption right disappeared when Trump became president.

Watch the light where roaches scatter."―Jeremy Harding, via Facebook

As sort of a spiritual sequel to the above:

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Something tells me Watson is going to be completely silent on all this expansion of govco now that Trump is doing it.  Just like conservatives were with both Bushes, Reagan, etc, and Liberals with Hillary, Obama, Bill Clinton, etc.  Same business as usual.  The pendulum swings in the opposite direction, but doesn't deviate from its pivot.

I still remember hearing of liberals back in the 60s and 70s.  Turns out, they didn't give a shit for anyone but themselves.  Certainly not for conservatives or libertarians.  Wouldn't surprise me to see the same thing with conservatives in the next decade or two, with libertarians still taking it like we always have. :(

That being said, his video, on the surface, makes sense.  You can't be both winners of the culture war (or, 'Will of We The People(TM)' as they like to call it) AND the counterculture at the same time.  Those two things are mutually exclusive, so pick one, liberals.
Just like the Conservative Christians who, back in the day, would say, "THIS IS A CHRISTIAN NATION!" and, "Halp! We am being oppressed! D:" Again, given that we're a democracy, those two are mutually exclusive.  Pick one.

By Paul Joseph Watson's logic, libertarianism is the original and ultimate counterculture, and until the state is dead and buried, will remain that way indefinitely.
#32
General Discussion / Re: Fav quotes
February 14, 2017, 04:40:39 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 12, 2017, 04:25:02 PM
They're clearly afraid of what he'll say.

EDIT: and I put this here, if only because I can respect what he is doing here. He made a mistake, he owned up to it:

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I heard a bit about that from Teal Deer, but, true to his name, couldn't be assed to watch the entire video.  I got the basic idea of what happened, but it's good to know Sargon owned up to it.
#33
General Discussion / Re: Fav quotes
February 09, 2017, 08:52:01 PM
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*Standing Ovation!*
I don't get the crap people throw at Milo.  He doesn't come off as "racist, sexist, Nazi, etc."
#34
General Discussion / Re: Fav quotes
February 08, 2017, 09:39:38 PM
Bork! RARF! D: D: Well played Shane!

Does that description of his also sound like East and/or Nazi Germany to you?  Knowing Browne, I suspect that was part of his point.

And speaking of Harry Browne, more awesomeness from him:
"Immigrants create demand rather than take jobs away

Four worries drive most of the opposition to immigration:
1) JOBS: A new immigrant brings with him a need for products and services-which his job gives him the money to buy. So the immigrant has no net effect on the competition for jobs or the level of wages. Immigrants don’t take jobs away from Americans. They increase the demand for labor and they help meet that demand.
2) WELFARE: The answer is to stop providing taxpayer-supported welfare to anyone-immigrant or citizen.
3) CULTURE: The answer to the culture problem isn’t to keep immigrants out, but to restore the America of free individuals, each responsible and self-governing. Immigrants will embrace our culture more quickly when government stops trying to dissolve it.
4) NOT ENOUGH ROOM: The US is still a country of wide open spaces. America could triple its population without our existing cities growing any faster than they do now.

Source: The Great Libertarian Offer, p.172-173 , Sep 9, 2000 "— http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Harry_Browne_Immigration.htm
^This is a special one.  It was the bit that helped convince our own Dave to no longer be anti-immigrant. X3

And since we're on the topic of Harry Browne: 

"A free country has no issue with people coming and going, but a welfare state is scared to death of every rich person who can get out and every poor person who can get in."— http://shanedk.deviantart.com/journal/How-to-Argue-for-Immigration-Restrictions-555001819

Semi-off topic, but all this hoopla over immigration reminds me of that one classic Simpsons episode where their mayor was caught in a huge spending scandal, and so he used the scapegoat/distraction of illegal immigrants.  And it totally worked.  As in, his scandal is not brought up for the rest of the episode (or series).  Why do I get the impression this kind of thing is happening now;  AND has happened many times before?
#35
General Discussion / Re: Fav quotes
February 06, 2017, 10:55:17 PM
"Caught in an insoluble contradiction are those believers in the free market and private property who still uphold immigration barriers. They can do so only if they concede that the State is the owner of all property, but in that case they cannot have true private property in their system at all."—Rothbard, Man, Economy and State

Rothbard, kicking ass and taking names from the grave.  Gods, I miss him. T_T
#36
The Podcast / Re: Podcast for 5 February 2017
February 06, 2017, 10:53:54 PM
Oh, shit! Blake Pettys! :D Was wondering if/when he'd be on the podcast. :)
#37
General Discussion / Re: Fav quotes
January 26, 2017, 06:02:16 PM
"The antiwar left vacated when Obama took office.

The anti-corruption right disappeared when Trump became president.

Watch the light where roaches scatter."―Jeremy Harding, via Facebook
#38
General Discussion / Re: Fav quotes
January 26, 2017, 05:55:29 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on December 26, 2016, 02:53:17 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_24494_5-reasons-trumps-immigration-plan-goddamn-mess.html
Okay, they try and shoe in some backhanded Hillary support and try to ass pull saying that Obama's deportations were focused on real criminals, instead of just being in wrong country, in a weak attempt to defend him having more deportations than any other president, but overall pretty good. :)

http://www.cracked.com/article_23872_6-dumb-myths-people-constantly-believe-about-immigration.html
#1 is awesome.  As is #2.  So far it seems like cracked actually knows what they're talking about.  To the point where I'd call both of those much more wins than fails. :)

Even more interesting about that top article though: note the professions most represented by illegal immigrants!  Food related things like agriculture, fishing, hunting, and housing related stuff like construction.  So even IF Trump succeeds in getting them all out, all it would do is cripple those industries, making them MUCH more expensive (law of supply and demand is still a thing, last I checked, even for Republicans) and make the same working class Americans who voted for him that much worse off!
"Give a man enough rope, and he'll hang himself" applies here...
#39
General Discussion / Re: Fail Quotes
January 21, 2017, 11:29:34 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on January 21, 2017, 10:06:43 PM
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Sweet Celestia! This video contains so much straw that you can barely find a needle in it!

Yo, Shane, can we have Lord Killian rip this strawman a new one? Consider this a request.
Seconded.
#40
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 21, 2017, 08:21:51 AM
Ah, it must be the vaginal steaming I was thinking about.
I remember that.  Because of Buzzfeed.  Needless to say, I don't watch their videos that much these days.
#41
General Discussion / Re: Fail Quotes
January 17, 2017, 08:48:57 PM
Okay, so I said I wasn't going to post much in this thread anymore, but this was just too much NOT to post:

"Discrimination is how things are made good."--Cantwell, from this:  https://www.facebook.com/LibertyHangout/videos/1852066598340254/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

Also, given that this is a live feed, currently in motion, by clicking that link, you agree I am not responsible for any content (including the breaking of rules of this forum, and so forth) that Cantwell ends up saying, should he use the n-word.  I posted that as a source for those who want to see it.  I haven't and am not going to watch that debate.
#42
Quote from: BlameThe1st on January 15, 2017, 11:53:16 AM
You'd think that with the GOP set to strike down government-mandated healthcare,
Let me stop you right there.  They're not against it.  Hell, it was Bush who expanded Medicaid/Medicare, and Romney who first pulled the healthcare mandate crap when he was governor.  No, they only are against it when it's from The Other Team.  They LOVE protectionism.  Tariffs, trade restrictions, etc.  Always have.
#43
...And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I don't take Slate seriously.  "Oh people won't be dying as much in car accidents?  Think of how many people they have saved by dying and giving people their organs!"

Folks, if you're really that concerned about organ shortages, why not just remove the ban on selling them?  As Shane explained in great detail here:  http://shanedk.deviantart.com/journal/How-to-Argue-for-Universal-Health-Care-474635164
#44
I've not been this angry, upon seeing that event, in a very long time.  To paraphrase Robert House from Fallout New Vegas:  May there be a hell for them.  A tartarus, bleak, unending...
#45
General Discussion / Re: Fail Quotes
December 31, 2016, 07:57:00 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on December 30, 2016, 02:36:26 PM
It should be noted that the people he's decrying for living in mansions AREN'T all that rich.  He's describing what are usually known as 'upper middle class' or 'professionals'.  (This basically are the people who make their living by acquired skills that usually take some underlying talent to learn and use well, but don't usually involve any great physical exertion or use of heavy equipment.)

I'm damn well pleased that people typically in the low 6 figures for income are able to buy large, luxurious homes today.  That indicates just how fast productivity has improved.

Decrying that the richest get richer ultimately means you'd be perfectly happy if everyone lived in identical mud huts, and would object if the worst homes actually in use were small modern cottages if the best were large mansions.
Gotta love the rat race mentality of modern liberals.