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Title: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2009, 03:00:20 PM
Post quotes that are epic failures.
I'll start:

"The day someone quits school he is condemning himself to a future of poverty." - Jaime Escalante
(Because people who have dropped out of school have never become rich or succesful, right? *rolls eyes*)

"When we find that 34% of our young men and women are unfit for military service because of physical and mental defects, there is something wrong with the health of the country and I am trying to find a remedy for it."

"I am trying to fix it so the people in the middle-income bracket can life as long as the very rich and the very poor."

"I usually find that those who are loudest in protesting against medical help by the federal government are those who do not need help."

"I have had some bitter disappointments as president, but the one that has troubled me most, in a personal way, has been the failure to defeat organized opposition to a national compulsory health insurance program."

- Harry S. Truman (Showing his ignorance of history of the healthcare system and how to fix (What did Einstein say about Insanity again?).  Not to mention how 97% of people had insurance before the mid 60s; so I doubt more gov't is what was needed.
Ad Hominem.
Translation:  "I am upset that I couldn't put a gun to people's heads and force them to pay for others' healthcare that would kill millions")

"Democracy is the destiny of humanity; freedom its indestructible arm."

- Benito Juárez
(MAJOR FAIL and ignorance of history.  Do I even need to get into this? Like about how Democracy is complete failure (e.g. The Greek City States, or Rome after the fall of their republic?))

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair (Ironically it was his book that got people to push for Congress to pass regulation that acted as barriers to entry which actually gave the big meat packers artificially high profits.  He did realize this only after the fact:  What a tool.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 22, 2009, 07:32:26 PM
Some pompous jackass I'm debating with though wondering why.  One of those types who can't keep his answers brief and to the point, much like politicians!

him: This was most certainly not ignorance of the Constitution, and most definitely suggests that it has been upheld despite aggressive Executive pursuit of sometimes questionable policy.  (talking about New Deal)

me: I'm going to make sure I'm clear here. Are you honestly suggesting the constitution has been overall upheld to the present day?

Him: I don't buy your contention that people, for the most part, are ignoring it and getting away with it.


And he tells me he's far more hip about politics than me.  I don't even know where to start here...

I started with "Do the words Patriot Act mean anything to you?" and listed a few other big violations.  I wonder what kind of spin I'll get.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 05, 2009, 03:30:53 PM
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The above video has a ton of good ones. :)

A sample:

"we need wars.  if we didn't have wars we'd still be livin in caves.  everythin thats invented today is because of wars."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 05, 2009, 04:16:46 PM
I love trolls, they're delicious.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 08, 2009, 06:18:37 PM
QuoteDoes having a library in your municipality make all bookstores go out of business? Does having a police force stop companies from hiring private security or private investigators? Does having public schools mean all private schools lose?

NO.

Hey Shane, he's stealing your schtick!

But oh yeah, the money to pay for those things just appeared out of thin air!  Okay...maybe it sorta did but...you know, inflation and all that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 08, 2009, 08:28:00 PM
Yes, there's a ton of information showing that government services crowd out private services.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2009, 02:00:27 PM
"The average divorce rate for married couples is roughly 67%.  When an institution has that high of a rate of failure, it is a failed institution." - My old Psychology Professor, who provided no source for this, and not realizing that of the people who enter college, less than 40% go to find jobs in their field of study (according to my High School), thus, by his standard, college/university is a failed institution.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2009, 02:02:05 PM
"Subliminal advertising works; it's why the government outlawed it." --Psy, prof, again, providing no sources
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2009, 02:03:46 PM
"The studies say that students must study for 5 hours for each test to get an A, 4 hours for a B, etc." - Same as above, despite the fact that he provided zero sources, didn't list a single control, and the fact that I got an A in the class, despite an average of about 10 minutes of studying for each test, which, according to him, should have resulting in me failing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 11, 2009, 05:45:20 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on December 11, 2009, 02:02:05 PM
"Subliminal advertising works; it's why the government outlawed it." --Psy, prof, again, providing no sources

Cracked.com had the best counter to this.  If it was that simple to influence people, why aren't government doing it?  The fact that no government has ever been able to successfully utilize subliminal advertising no matter how badly they wanted to should be a confirmation that it doesn't work.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: valvatica on December 11, 2009, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on December 11, 2009, 05:45:20 PM
Cracked.com had the best counter to this.  If it was that simple to influence people, why aren't government doing it?  The fact that no government has ever been able to successfully utilize subliminal advertising no matter how badly they wanted to should be a confirmation that it doesn't work.

Agreed. Well, this doesn't even need to ride on majority vote: If the psy prof (and many others) thought that their assertion was true, where's the proof of it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2009, 10:24:23 PM
Quote from: valvatica on December 11, 2009, 09:44:27 PM
Agreed. Well, this doesn't even need to ride on majority vote: If the psy prof (and many others) thought that their assertion was true, where's the proof of it?
Well, if memory serves, the story he told was like this:  A store in a dept. Store might play a message at really high pitch or really fast, or something like that in order to get the people within earshot to come into the store for a sale, or something like that.
And, according to my professor, this would work!  A surge of people would come and wouldn't know why they were there.  Since they were there, and there was a sale or something, they participated into it.
He said that this was why that sort of thing is illegal.
He gave no sources/studies/controlls, etc.
It also just occurred to me that even IF he could give me the sources for that, that it wouldn't justify making it illegal.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2009, 10:58:42 PM
What really upset me from him was the whole story he fed us about the mentally ill being treated like (I kid you not) Holocaust victims until the State intervened shown in this thread: https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=333.0
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 12, 2009, 09:10:37 AM
I think the best fail quote would be:
"I know what I'm doing."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2009, 11:32:11 AM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on December 12, 2009, 09:10:37 AM
I think the best fail quote would be:
"I know what I'm doing."
Or how about the infamous, "I'm/We're fine."  Famous last words as they say.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on December 12, 2009, 04:46:27 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on December 12, 2009, 11:32:11 AM
Or how about the famous, "I'm/We're fine."  Famous last words as they say.

You know what a Texan's most famous last words are?

"That's nuthin'. Watch this!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 12, 2009, 04:49:59 PM
Is'nt it amazing how fail quotes so often are Final Words?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2009, 04:53:48 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on December 12, 2009, 04:46:27 PM
You know what a Texan's most famous last words are?

"That's nuthin'. Watch this!"
ROFL!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 15, 2009, 02:45:21 PM
QuoteWe've seen this pattern in you for a while, Hawk. Do you want to know why everybody confuses you for an anarchist? It's because before you're presented with any issue, no matter what it is, you already have your mind made up that everything the government does and stands for is bad. That's what sickens me about this. That regardless of your own opinion regarding slavery and Confederate pride, you still side with the SoCV because you're afraid of the Big Bad Government coming to huff and puff and blow down your Brick House of Freedom. News flash: That doesn't happen in a democracy. If the government takes too much away from us, we just vote the bums out. And if that doesn't work, the founding documents themselves even call for an armed uprising should the government morph into an irrevocable tyranny.

You'll just vote them out?  It would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragically wrong...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 15, 2009, 02:53:51 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on December 15, 2009, 02:45:21 PM
You'll just vote them out?  It would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragically wrong...
*facepalms that quote*
Wow....I don't even know where to begin with that...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 19, 2009, 12:26:01 AM
"The benefits of social interactions can only be purchased with the limitations of the individual." --Thunderf00t.

Speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 19, 2009, 01:11:11 AM
Really?
I always read that as your freedom ends where the other one starts.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 19, 2009, 05:49:45 PM
Actually the original was, "My right to swing my fist ends where your face begins."

But TF's quote is very far off from that...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 20, 2009, 12:51:23 AM
I was under the impression that hitting you in the face was my personal freedom and the limitation that social interactions require are that I wont, even when I really, really want to.
Of course some might argue that that is a social interaction within it's own rights. ::)

(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o196/Gumba_Masta/frauen_fischschlacht.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: valvatica on December 20, 2009, 06:37:02 AM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on December 20, 2009, 12:51:23 AM
I was under the impression that hitting you in the face was my personal freedom and the limitation that social interactions require are that I wont, even when I really, really want to.

What you're describing sounds like the 'biological leash' Thunderf00t has touched on in the WDPLAC series.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 27, 2009, 02:13:06 PM
"Thanks for helping me to explain to that guy that removing the governing structure from a society isn't panacea that leads to a utopia, but rather a regressive step toward tribalism. I can't believe anyone could be so naive." --ShaneSaw83

"Your welcome. Even in animal Societies, the beginning of government structures arise. The only reason you do not see other animals having complex government structures is because of the lack of complex communication abilities." --TemplumVerum
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 27, 2009, 02:21:12 PM
I always thought it was the lack of self loathing that prevented other animals from forming goverment.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2009, 05:27:34 AM
DonTruman:  "It's funny how the liberal-left is terrified of America having religious values -- values that might foster horrible ideas like 'do unto others as you'd have them do unto you' or 'thou shalt not steal' or 'love your neighbor' or... But boy-oh-boy are they eager to tell everyone what to do and what not to do. And more importantly, they want to require it by force of law, not merely to promote it as a social value. I.e., they truly want to take away your freedom to do what you want."

@Shane, Virgil, Lord T Hawkeye, and others:  Do I even NEED to get into the sheer stupidity and facepalm-worthyness of this comment?

Here was my response to the above comment:  "Cool story, bro."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 29, 2009, 06:50:59 AM
"HARRY POTTER: ENEMY OF GOD" - "Dr". P. Bradley Carey

At least both of them a fictional characters.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 29, 2009, 12:26:40 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on December 29, 2009, 05:27:34 AM
DonTruman:  "It's funny how the liberal-left is terrified of America having religious values -- values that might foster horrible ideas like 'do unto others as you'd have them do unto you' or 'thou shalt not steal' or 'love your neighbor' or... But boy-oh-boy are they eager to tell everyone what to do and what not to do. And more importantly, they want to require it by force of law, not merely to promote it as a social value. I.e., they truly want to take away your freedom to do what you want."

@Shane, Virgil, Lord T Hawkeye, and others:  Do I even NEED to get into the sheer stupidity and facepalm-worthyness of this comment?

Here was my response to the above comment:  "Cool story, bro."

*singing* Frollo longed to purge the world of vice and sin!
And he saw corruption everywhere...except within!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2009, 03:04:21 PM
Me to my mom after a discussion about a dog:  "The point about eating our dinner reminds me of a youtube poop with that Zelda CD-I game.  It was spliced so that the king actually killed and ate his daughter (Zelda) for dinner."

Mom: "He got that from the bible."

Me: "I doubt it, I think it was just a coincedence."

Mom (with a grin): "Oh, no, it was definitely from the bible."

Nevermind the fact that she would have the burden of proof on that, and wouldn't be able to just assert it.
*facepalms*

And people wonder why I'm also an Anti-Theist in addition to an Atheist and an Anti-Statist in addition to an Anarcho Capitalist...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2009, 03:57:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=uAgQKJuriIo
This video's comment section is so full of fail:  e.g. defense and apologetics for tyranny, arguing that "well you don't know what a police state is.  We're not as bad as Afganistan" Yeah, yet...idiots.
Someone please tell the neocons here to go fuck themselves.

Warning, what has been read, cannot be unread.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 30, 2009, 03:33:50 PM
I have taken a liking to Dale Everett's site and his writing.
He's a pretty insightful guy.

However, the next bit I will paraphrase belongs in this thread:

"Corporations are the real rulers.  Follow the money." --Dale Everett

My (would be) response:  "Corporations are an arm of the State in so much as they are legal entities.  They are NOT the rulers themselves, as they wouldn't exist without the State; that's just silly."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 30, 2009, 03:44:17 PM
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." - Karl Marx
Evidently using magic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 30, 2009, 04:15:44 PM
"It's because we're surrounded by legions of Alex Jones fans.  As much good information he spreads, he also gives out a lot of disinformation." --Someone on the Mises Forum thread on the Fed being a "private" bank

Emphasis added by me.
Speaks for itself, really.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 02, 2010, 07:34:52 PM
"Stupid question:  In the first scenario, couldn't she have put the child up for adoption?"  --Me, in response "Abortion Challenge! Is it Ethical or Unethical? You decide!" by roevswade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRwwfxRm49A)

The fail quote:
"So if she couldn't find a family, murder is okay?"--Nulono in response to me

Personally, I will always adore TheAmazingAtheist's reply to his position on the abortion debate.
"I'm pro-abortion; no, not pro-choice, but PRO-ABORTION:  Kill as many babies as you can."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 03, 2010, 10:27:08 AM
Said when I refuted another "Stalin was an atheist" argument.

"It's interesting how when a religious man commits atrocities, he must be doing it because of his religion... but when an atheistic man commits atrocities, he must be doing it for some other reason."

Yeah, forgetting the fact that those who commit atrocities in the name of their religion ADMITTED IT THEMSELVES!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 04, 2010, 06:38:22 PM
Here's something I said on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAIiKw84zwg) by ladyattis:  "On the, "REGULATION VACATION CELEBRATION!" video, they linked to a story on mises (dot) org, saying that the people there "actually agree with the contents of their video in a more serious sense" I read the first bit, and found the institute had been strawmanned."

And here's the failquote response: "@Surhotchaperchlorome  Keep... There are 'serious' arguments for Somalia being better off without a central governement on the Von Mises Website. There are no researchers @Von Mises. They conduct no behavioral research, doubleblind testing or support game theory. They don't do anything like research. They quote that which seems to support a slightly warped neoclassical economic theory. They are a fringe element, a sometimes interesting critic of dominant Keynesian and Monetarist theory." --TrampEdgewood

CAN I GET A FACE-PALM?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 07, 2010, 01:16:35 AM
"We workers are not dirty.  The only dirt is Capitalist gang.  We workers are the only added value created.  Long live communism." --SlobodnaJugoslavija on this video (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=9NKHJ64qRR8)
Speaks for itself, really.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 10, 2010, 06:31:29 PM
"'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence' is just a cliche'."  --an acquaintance of mine
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 10, 2010, 08:03:46 PM
Why "undisclosed"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 10, 2010, 08:05:59 PM
Because I forget to just say, "an acquaintance of mine".
Blah, hold on...
There.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 12, 2010, 04:45:46 PM
Good ol' Kia.  Never runs out of good fail quotes.

He said "Communism can, and arguably should be, be linked with a democratic political system, and the same goes for socialism."

Now that's worthy of being here on it's own but it gets even better!

I brought up the fact that India does just that and look how much good that's done them.  He comes back with...

"AHAHAHAHA! You are clueless. India is a booming economy that is recovering from protectionist policies that isolated them from the rest of the world, economically, for 50 years."

India is a booming economy?  Yeah, their leaders seem to think so but if you take their word for it unquestioningly, I got a homeopathic cure for brain cancer to sell you.  -_-
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 12, 2010, 05:29:13 PM
India WAS booming while they were allowing the "sweatshops" to flourish. Now that they've cracked down on this again (another socialist thing), their economy's being stifled.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 12, 2010, 11:10:05 PM
"There is no war but the class war." --FakeSagan
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 13, 2010, 12:19:28 PM
To which you should've replied; "In the future there is only war. And war, war never changes.." ...Hnnngggg! Arrrr, arf arf, nyyyung, I have one thousand demons inside me that force me to type this stuff out.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 15, 2010, 01:22:19 PM
"It's not nepotism--he's my brother!" --Philadelphia Mayor Frank Rizzo, after appointing his brother Joe as Fire Commissioner.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 15, 2010, 02:53:42 PM
"You contest that before the industrial revolution classes were more simplistic, but Marx shows us that it is actually the other way around. He suggests that society had a more complex order in say the middle ages (Vassals, fiefs, guild masters, knights, apprentices, journeyman, Burgers, ect.) Where as today our classes are ever more simplified into 2 opposing forces. Bourgeoisie and proletariat. And wouldn't you say that class analysis is NECESSARY to discover if any class is being OPPRESSED?" --TolstoyKafkaEvsky, showing himself to be a Marxist or at least leaning in that direction, and therefore a fucktard.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 16, 2010, 01:50:48 PM
Ah, gotta love the Anarcho Socialists/Communists/Syndicalists.  I never run out of fail quotes from them.

"Capitalism is for the profit of the few, anarchism for sharing among the many. Anticapitalism goes hand in hand with anarchism. What point are you trying to make?" --johnlepo on this video:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 16, 2010, 04:09:21 PM
From that same video, the poster said this:

"I don't know why people are still having the capitalism versus socialism naming debate. Both words can mean entirely different things to different people. What we want is freedom, pure and simple. Call it capitalism, call it socialism, I don't care." --AlaskanAnarchist

I simply can't stand it when people pull the semantics card.
Words have meaning.  His whining won't change that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 16, 2010, 06:06:26 PM
Granted, I find their statist cousins to be far worse, if not for any other reason than the fact that they want to impose a system from the top down...

Witness this idiot (in red). I (in blue) try to help inform.
The conversation takes place in the comments section of this video by FlowCell:

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Staunts:  "Even by making the statement that our rights are natural, you are a person making this claim, therefore it's just another example of rights coming from people. Nobody can stand up for rights other than people, and nobody can take them away other than people. What's so hard to understand about this? How can you demonstrate where rights come from without doing so through the words, actions and perspective of people?" (Um...not sequitor, much?  Not to mention a shifting of the burden fallacy:  he's asking FlowCell to prove a negative.)

Me:  "@Staunts Yes, but people also came from nature.  Ergo our rights have to have come from nature."
(So I try to do what Shane did and try to link the two.  Apparently, that was a mistake...)

*Staunts:  "yeah, but I mean what's the difference. We're nature, we give ourselves rights. Poeple wouldnt consider rights an issue if there werent other people to threaten them, and when they are threatened it's not a tree or the wind that fights for them, it's people." (*facepalms*  What an egotist...we ARE nature?  wtf?  We "give ourselves rights"  What does that even mean?  *facpealms again* Yes.   People VIOLATE and SECURE our rights.  That doesn't mean that rights come from them.  Gotta love how to twists my point into something to fit his statist mindset, and then later on baw's about FlowCell making a video correcting AronRa making FlowCell to be some kind of bully...)

Me:  "Then you agree people secure our rights, that doesn't mean they 'grant' them to us.
Just because there is disagreement doesn't mean squat. Many people don't agree that evolution is a fact. Does that mean evolution is not firmly supported by evidence?
Then look at the comments section and read up on the other hundred or so times your point has been suggested."

Staunts:  "But proving evolution is different than proving we have rights! Evolution leaves physical traces, and continues to do so even if we die away. How do you scientifically prove human rights? Would human rights exist without humans?I think you are just making this pointless distinction to try and sound smart, but what's the point, everybody still agrees that we should have rights."
(*facepalms*  Argument from ignorance + shifting the burden + Ad hominem + bullshit point at the end.  Not all people agree we have rights.)

Me:  "Once again.
See the other many comments where this idea has been suggested.
Should be the first set of comments FlowCell replied to." (Yeah, I'm getting tired of this political dogmatist.)

(Another part of the thread):

Me (replying to *'ed comment):  "And by the last sentence of my other comment to you, I mean the idea that rights come from men.
This idea has been brought up roughly 100 times and has been responded to at least that many times.
Read through comments on this video. " (Yeah, I completely lost all interesting in debating this dogmatist at this point)

Staunts:  "I have and I still find it to be stupid. Like the kind of jerk who has to one-up the other guy(AronRa) by making a pointless distinction to sound smart when you're not really disagreeing with him on the main point.(That we have rights) Our rights come from nature. We are nature, rights come from us."
(*double facepalms*  Argument from personal incredulity and poisoning the well.  Not to mention distorting my first point to mean something it didn't.  What a fucktard.  Just like the creationists, I swear).

Me:  "Then you admit to not understanding the concept.
Come back when you get an education dude, seriously. Nature doesn't just consist of humans..."

Staunts:  "There is no concept to understand. You say our rights come from nature, hut you fail to explain exact;y how that works without human interaction. It's a simple question: do rights exist without someone to even concieve of the idea of rights? You couldnt really say that non human animals think they have rights."
*facepalms* (If he actually BOTHERED to read the comments posted by FlowCell he would know that the idea that there are liberties (or rights) without human interaction is actually proof that they don't come from other humans.
"There is no concept to understand." Puh-leeze.)

Me:  "'Interesting that you'd ask me to show a universal, when you make it sound as if they are particulars. You may as well ask me where the physical location of happiness or the number one. Please don't ask me gotcha questions when you have no idea what you are talking about.

If you want to see something physical, go get a book of laws and read where men have declared your rights null and void. Liberty is the default state of the universe, not legal restriction.' --FlowCell

'Liberty is the absence of restriction, much like how darkness is the absence of light. You don't need anything for darkness to exist. Much as how Darkness existed before stars existed, so too did Liberty exist before Government.

The fact that you can do what ever you want in the absence of governance should be all the proof you need. Nobody would be around to say "no".

Liberty is the default state of the universe. I'm not sure I could explain this in language any plainer or simpler.' --FC

'I view rights as a way of conceptualizing Liberty (a negative) in positive terms. This is why I call rights heuristic (a useful fiction). Its similar to fictional borders on a map defined by treaty or law (heuristic) vs. geographical regions which law has no control over (real). I derive my definition of rights from Liberty, which is why you see conflation. I see them as different perspectives on the same concept.' --FlowCell
"Liberty cannot be imposed on anybody, only Tyranny can. If Liberty is given, then the last man on Earth would be in chains." --FlowCell
A man may be born a slave, but only if his pre-existing rights are violated; he is not a slave by default.

I suppose I should have specified what I meant by "rights", so I do apologize if that caused any confusion.'"
(As I said, in the comment, I will give him that.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2010, 04:54:54 PM
Iconoclastithon:  "@Malthus0

American Libertarianism is very influenced by Rand/Objectivism.

Libertarianism is rooted in social-anarchy. The first people to call themselves Libertrarians{1800s} were such. The American Libertarian ovement is an imposter that usurped the term. So unofrunately real libertarians have to now pre-fix their libertarianismj with left or suffix with socialist{ie: Left Libertarian & Libertarian Socialism}, which is a redundancy, classic liberalism partly informs LEFT LIbertarianism."

On the comment section of this video: [yt]1mkJONJSmrQ[/yt]

I'd say that's an Argument from etymology (argumentum ad etymologia).
What do you think?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 17, 2010, 05:46:57 PM
I'd say it's just plain wrong.

But remember, this is the guy that thinks libertarianism = objectivism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2010, 07:51:57 PM
*nod*
Next thing you know he'll be saying that a mutually voluntarily agreed upon wage is "slavery" (or wage slavery exists).

And even if what he says is true, so what?
Word definitions change.  That's part of how language works, you have already stated.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on January 18, 2010, 12:12:31 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on January 17, 2010, 04:54:54 PM
Iconoclastithon:  "@Malthus0

American Libertarianism is very influenced by Rand/Objectivism.

Libertarianism is rooted in social-anarchy. The first people to call themselves Libertrarians{1800s} were such. The American Libertarian ovement is an imposter that usurped the term. So unofrunately real libertarians have to now pre-fix their libertarianismj with left or suffix with socialist{ie: Left Libertarian & Libertarian Socialism}, which is a redundancy, classic liberalism partly informs LEFT LIbertarianism."

On the comment section of this video: [yt]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/1mkJONJSmrQ&hl=en_US&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/1mkJONJSmrQ&hl=en_US&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="344" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>[/yt]

I'd say that's an Argument from etymology (argumentum ad etymologia).
What do you think?

Found a response to the above video.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 18, 2010, 12:17:04 AM
@Virgil0211:  I saw it.  I also added it to my favorites, as I figured you would.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on January 18, 2010, 12:26:51 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on January 18, 2010, 12:17:04 AM
@Virgil0211:  I saw it.  I also added it to my favorites, as I figured you would.

What was that about great minds thinking alike?

What say we work together on this "AncientAtheist" nutball?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 18, 2010, 01:21:59 AM
Great minds? On my Interwebs...Yeah right. =P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 22, 2010, 07:13:31 PM
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2010/01/22/olbermann-unhinged-supreme-court-sanctioned-murder-democracy

Olbermann went on a mega tirade recently apparently.

Here's the challenge, how much of it can you read without laughing?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 26, 2010, 08:25:26 PM
QuoteYou can't just "print more money", for someone who so adamantly claims to know what a good economy is supposed to look like, you should understand that even if the "political class"(what are you a Marxist now?) may be wasteful but they're not stupid. Printing more money only makes the money they have worth less. And it's not like every member of this "class" has access to the printing machine. A senator can not just go and say "print me more money." When you make such parodies of the actual situation it just makes me wonder what on earth you're thinking.

Oh yeah, they don't print money.  They'd NEVER do something like that...  -_-
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 26, 2010, 08:35:50 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 26, 2010, 08:25:26 PM
Oh yeah, they don't print money.  They'd NEVER do something like that...  -_-
Yeah, what you had in a quote was DEFINITELY a fail quote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 27, 2010, 12:04:02 AM
Is'nt that what the Nintendo DS is for?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 27, 2010, 03:28:29 PM
This guy has put me down one too many times.  Where can I find indisputable proof that politicians DO in fact print money and do it a lot?  I want to send him that along with a subtly nasty comment to drive it home because I've frankly had enough of trying to be civil with him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 27, 2010, 03:57:31 PM
Try http://www.shadowstats.com/.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 27, 2010, 05:51:27 PM
Thanks, I'll take a look even though we all know the reply is going to be "It's biased therefore it's wrong."

Seriously, sometimes I don't know why I bother.  They've completely taken the challenge out of it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 27, 2010, 06:49:41 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 27, 2010, 05:51:27 PM
Thanks, I'll take a look even though we all know the reply is going to be "It's biased therefore it's wrong."

Seriously, sometimes I don't know why I bother.  They've completely taken the challenge out of it.
There's a reason why me and Shane call them "dogmatists", "cultists" and "members of the cult of the omnipotent state".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 27, 2010, 07:39:39 PM
Is that some sort of sex cult?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 27, 2010, 07:56:05 PM
Is there no cure?  Gotta be something...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 28, 2010, 06:38:18 AM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on January 27, 2010, 07:39:39 PM
Is that some sort of sex cult?

Well, we're certainly getting f***ed because of it...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 28, 2010, 11:06:26 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 28, 2010, 06:38:18 AM
Well, we're certainly getting f***ed because of it...
Well, I guess we all need to stock up on lube.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 28, 2010, 11:16:15 AM
"Rights come from society [people]." --Thunderf00t, AronRa, etc.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 28, 2010, 12:40:43 PM
"They dropped a lot of energy in Hiroshima and Nagazaki, and they didn't organize anything!" --Kent Hovind, from Chaos511
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 01, 2010, 12:30:07 AM
Ooh, mr "Government doesn't print money" just gets better and better.

So the site is invalid cause "Well no [censored] the Federal Government prints money, but your insinuation that any individual who happens to be a politician can just print more was vastly misleading. The Federal Government also destroys old money. But they don't just get paid a visit by the Secretary of State who says "Hey guys, I need 20 grand, can you print me some money?" Which is what your statement made it out to look like."

I showed him Shane's vid on money and explained that not only can politicians print money any time, there is no mechanism whatsoever stopping them.

Why's that invalid?

"I know quite well what the gold standard was, how it worked, and how money works now. The Dollar is NOT backed by "politicians", it's backed by the fact that we're a sovereign nation. And unless you've got some evidence aside from youtube OPINIONS that politicians just print money whenever they want to, this argument is over."

Yeah, anything that disagrees with you is just an opinion.  That's kind of a one sided set of rules don'cha think?

Now I've asked him "If it's backed by the people and not by politicians, why aren't competing currencies allowed?"

Taking bets on what the excuse is going to be this time...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 01, 2010, 11:41:40 AM
Ooh, got the answer and it's...

"Lets see, because if you had competing currencies, you could earn a wage in one place and be worthless in another place. How would that be beneficial to the nation? Oh, right, it wouldn't.

So bug off already, I'm tired of listening to your ignorance."

Hey, why stop there?  Let's have one universal computer format so this won't happen.  One universal format for everything.  Perfect!  No more confusion, no more mishaps!  Why didn't we think of this before?

Oh yeah...BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY BLOODY STUPID IDEA!  ><
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 01, 2010, 01:37:37 PM
"Lets see, because if you had competing computers, you could buy software for one and it wouldn't work in another. How would that be beneficial to the nation? Oh, right, it wouldn't."

"Lets see, because if you had competing cars, you could buy parts for one and they wouldn't work in another. How would that be beneficial to the nation? Oh, right, it wouldn't."

"Lets see, because if you had competing game consoles, you could buy a game for one and it wouldn't work in another. How would that be beneficial to the nation? Oh, right, it wouldn't."

"Lets see, because if you had competing grocery stores, you could get a discount card in one place and be worthless in another place. How would that be beneficial to the nation? Oh, right, it wouldn't."

Anyway, is this guy in any way aware of the term "exchange rate"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 01, 2010, 02:02:24 PM
That was my reply.  I asked if there was some magic rule that says you can't exchange one currency for another.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 01, 2010, 09:21:47 PM
Which we by the way already do...with all the different currency from all the different countries that are in the world...the world outside the USA. For who's existance we have sufficient eveidence.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 02, 2010, 05:43:15 AM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on February 01, 2010, 09:21:47 PM
For who's existance we have sufficient eveidence.

I call bullshit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 02, 2010, 05:48:44 AM
That different countries have different currencies at different exchange rates?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 08, 2010, 03:30:40 PM
"If we want to understand origins, if we want to understand how the universe came into existence and everything that is in it, we have to look at theology, not science." --Idiotic video an idiotic creationist pointed me to.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: valvatica on February 08, 2010, 04:14:37 PM
Didn't the individual states prior to the Civil War have their own currency?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 08, 2010, 05:01:59 PM
Or, the comments of almost any liberal (at least, the ones opposing the decision) in this discussion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_35lNmxDYI
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 08, 2010, 05:02:08 PM
Quote from: valvatica on February 08, 2010, 04:14:37 PM
Didn't the individual states prior to the Civil War have their own currency?

No.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 08, 2010, 08:50:12 PM
"I know 'authoritarian' begs the question, but you and I have similar definitions of 'authoritarian' - the violent imposition of will, in this case ownership.
Private property is the violent enforcement of a claim over an area one can effectively *homestead*. The claimed area is smaller, and the mode of enforcement is limited by explicit agreement, as opposed to whatever the fantasy of a state allows.
Though voluntarism isn't authoritarian, private property just isn't voluntarism." --Fringeelements making a fool of himself.
*facepalm*

If this is what Shane, FlowCell, and Lord T Hawkeye are talking about in terms of anarchists, then I'm in full agreement.
In fact, it was this "intersubjective consensus" attitude (which, whether Stodles/Fringeelements, likes it or not IS basically democracy:  he IS in favor of it, whether he wants to admit it or not.  "descriptive vs. prescriptive" my ass...)
As for the idea of an intersubjective consensus that he stresses, and the idea of objective morality being statist, he's full of shit.
He should see FlowCell's video on liberty to see just where THAT leads...

Don't get me wrong.
If he means that the SYSTEM would evolve and emergent via an intersubjective consesus, then I can get on board.
But if he, like AlaskanAnarchist means that freedom is an intersubjective consensus, then he's wrong, as FlowCell, has unequivocally shown.
But then, by the way he described his points in many of his videos and comments (many removed when his ConfederalSocialist account was suspended), you'd think he just wants local level states, as opposed to national sized ones.

I recall him saying that, "well, if they didn't like living in those areas with this restrictive convanent, they could just move to one that doesn't."

Basically, it's the love it or leave it argument that Shane addressed in his first constitution lectures series videos and that LTHE pointed out.
How is that ANY different from taxes, or a state?
Something I also thought was, "then DON'T use that argument against the state.  If it doesn't apply to an anarchist system, it doesn't apply to a statist system either."

I apologize for the long rant, but, as Shane said, about HTWW, and as I'll say about Spawktalk and Fringeelements:  "He [they] also said a lot of stupid things.  I don't side with stupid things."

And speaking of fail quotes,
this video is full of them:

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For those wondering, the quote from Fringeelements was in the comment section of the above horrible video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Whycantivote on February 10, 2010, 07:11:24 AM
"The USSR wasn't socialist nor communist by definition. This isn't my opinion." - a communist by the username of itrainsinoctober in the comments of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=angbZB2WeMQ
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 11, 2010, 02:31:07 AM
And speaking of communism/socialism:


"Mises' works on socialism/Marxism are riddled with straw men. He had no intellectual honesty at all. At least Austrians like Bohm-Bawerk were somewhat intellectually honest." --ZakeD3 on YouTube.

Note how he never specified any of these alleged "straw men".
I responded with, "Such as...?"

Chances I get an honest answer (assuming he replies at all): Little to none.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 11, 2010, 06:34:51 AM
Interesting how Mises's "straw man" was able to successfully predict how communism would fall.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Whycantivote on February 20, 2010, 09:05:21 PM
The entire video description of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cLkouGu8LQ

To summarise it briefly: "Anyone who doesn't think I am entitled to taxpayer's money is a fascist".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 20, 2010, 09:32:37 PM
Just another example of confusing equality of opportunity with equality of outcome.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 23, 2010, 11:06:22 PM
"You gaiz know what Libtards remind me of?

Children, That have been told that they must share some candy for the first time, I bet that's how they feel.
Sharing doesn't come naturally, It comes with maturity and a honed sense of responsibility." --DackIsBack

As TJ once said, "Aww how cute!  It's trying to think."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 26, 2010, 07:51:04 PM
There's just no end to it.  When someone called me fanatical and I demanded examples backing this up, he refused to give specifics so I called him cravenly hiding behind vague statements as usual to avoid being called out.  This was the response...

QuoteNo. You see, I learned from the best. That is to say, you. Once upon a time, I would have, and I still would, for just about anyone else. But you continually ask for things you are unwilling to give. In almost every argument I have seen you get into, you have been asked for specifics, for examples, to stop making generalizations and to present evidence. You might say that you do, indeed, do so. In the occasional circumstance, you have, nevertheless this has almost universally been in significantly less quality and quantity than anyone who has attempted to engage you in a serious debate. When you have been called to task you have typically just completely ignored that section of the post. Completely. I find this, personally, to be one of the few things worse than, uh 'cravenly hiding behind vague statements to avoid being called out'.

so, I am very deliberately not going to answer your questions. For a long time I was quite happy to spend hours researching and typing out essays more concise that most of my university materiel, just for your benefit. For much of that time I was happy to take certain of your axioms on trust, against all good practice, out of respect. I've even been willing to overlook your continued attacks on me, despite your touchiness about the same thing in reverse. However, it has become singularly evident that you do not share this respect, for me or apparently for anyone in this community, unless they happen to bow down to your holy writ world order. That, for me, is the essence of fanaticism, and why I accuse you of it. If you have something to say, I will still listen. But I will not answer to anything you ask me to do or, more accurately if we examine your parsing, demand of me, because you are seemingly incapable of reciprocation. As with most of my comments to you of late, I will say take that as you will. I will not enter into a debate of any kind with you, because I don't see there being any point. I've heard your arguments, decided they are fallacious. You have failed to present any new ones, and you will not give any kind of rebuttal any consideration other than perhaps not being so ridiculous in your examples and supporting arguments next time you state your point of view. Why should I, then, give you anything but the moments it takes to check that there's nothing new in your latest post?

You have, in more ways than can be counted, failed the social contract that exists in any community, or at least this is my opinion, and the reason for which I will not answer your demands. I would also ask that, if you have issue with this, and absolutely must take me to task for it, you either start a thread specifically for it, or you PM me, the latter preferably. the news thread really isn't the place for this.

This is one those big time college types, or so he claims, and yet unless I'm reading this wrong, has no understanding of how the claimant owes evidence, not the skeptic.  -_-
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 27, 2010, 06:50:26 AM
Man, that is just about the biggest shifting burden fallacy I've ever seen in my life!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 27, 2010, 09:30:27 AM
That's pretty much what I said.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Whycantivote on February 27, 2010, 04:57:17 PM
"The British[banking]Empire used the Germany-Poland border dispute as an excuse to initiate war on Germany" - A Nazi while claiming the world would be better off if America had allied with the Nazis. Apparently invading an entire country with the help of allies now only counts as a "border dispute".

I wonder if the Border Dispute in Afghanistan will end anytime soon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 28, 2010, 12:31:03 AM
"you do have a choice! the little guy has a lot of power. free yourself from archons and others will follow!" --freedominsomalia
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 28, 2010, 02:03:28 AM
And it's a false analogy anyway. Grocery stores sell a real product, insurance isn't a real product.
Insurance companies sell a promise and buy a risk- but they don't have to keep that promise, and that's how they make money (by denying legit claims).

But back to the main point- you're factually wrong, nobody is allowed to do anything like that but insurance companies, who don't sell any real product anyway
- Funincluded on youtube

I replied to this by saying "Then why would anyone in their right mind buy it?"

Taking bets on which bogus answer I get to that question.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 28, 2010, 03:03:01 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on February 28, 2010, 02:03:28 AM
Taking bets on which bogus answer I get to that question.

I bet Twenty Zero-G Jelly Beans on my favorite. "Go back to Russia!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 28, 2010, 03:36:59 AM
Nah, I got this

QuoteMost people get their insurance from their employers, it's not just something they have a free market choice in.

Employers might get the cheapest or the best, but it's not just an open free market decision all of the time.

yes people will look for the jobs with the best benefits, but that is neither here nor there

Maybe it's due to late hours but I have no idea what he just said...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Whycantivote on February 28, 2010, 01:20:56 PM
"The good news is that Sarah Palin came only third in a straw poll of right-wing conservatives asking who should be next president of the USA.

The bad news is that the winner Ron Paul, a Republican congressman, may be even pottier than Palin." - Tom Shields; commentator for the Scottish Sunday Herald's opinion section.

On that note; Palin needs to fall into a coma for the next seven years.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 28, 2010, 08:54:44 PM
That actually could increase her chance of being elected president.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 02, 2010, 11:32:50 PM
"SOCIAL HEALTHCARE WORKS. That's not a theory, it's a real world fact. Like everything in life there will always be detractors and I'm not saying it's a perfect system, but the benefits are that it's cheap, it's fair and it reduces the cost of alternatives."

So...social healthcare works as an undeniable fact...but it's not perfect?  It must be nice living in a world where that pesky logic thing doesn't get in your way.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on March 03, 2010, 12:06:27 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 02, 2010, 11:32:50 PM
"SOCIAL HEALTHCARE WORKS. That's not a theory, it's a real world fact. Like everything in life there will always be detractors and I'm not saying it's a perfect system, but the benefits are that it's cheap, it's fair and it reduces the cost of alternatives."

So...social healthcare works as an undeniable fact...but it's not perfect?  It must be nice living in a world where that pesky logic thing doesn't get in your way.

LTH, I have to ask, how the hell do you put up with posting in that politics section?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 03, 2010, 03:36:14 AM
This was on my own youtube vid on the subject.

But as to your original question, I suppose I put up with it because I understand it I guess.  I used to be one of them.  Thought capitalism was evil and the angels up in government were the fearless heroes battling them, the whole nine yards.

Not that I can convince them of that.  I've told them countless times that they employ arguments I used to use liberally but they never believe me.  What would I know about me?  I'm only me after all.  -_-

I can't really say I pity them since they voluntarily have chosen ignorance.  I think the big reason I do is because while I hold little hope of changing most of the woos out there, I can always hope someone with a little more self respect does look at my statements and actually think about them.  I figure if even one person can be made to see the truth, then it's worth it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 03, 2010, 06:42:34 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 02, 2010, 11:32:50 PM
"SOCIAL HEALTHCARE WORKS. That's not a theory, it's a real world fact. Like everything in life there will always be detractors and I'm not saying it's a perfect system, but the benefits are that it's cheap, it's fair and it reduces the cost of alternatives."

So...social healthcare works as an undeniable fact...but it's not perfect?  It must be nice living in a world where that pesky logic thing doesn't get in your way.

We know what that is now: the Best Game In Town Fallacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 03, 2010, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 03, 2010, 06:42:34 AM
We know what that is now: the Best Game In Town Fallacy.

Hmm?  I don't get it though I haven't had my tea yet so that may be why.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 03, 2010, 12:44:19 PM
Look at the thread on unnamed logical fallacies. The Best Game In Town Fallacy is when you assert superiority of your options over other existing options--which, even if you could prove it, does not mean you get to avoid problems with your options or consider other alternatives which aren't in place.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 03, 2010, 01:51:37 PM
Ah, okay.

Oy, this guy just doesn't give up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRzOqXL-5I0

British if I'm reading him right which doesn't surprise me one bit.  They got a double dose of uber nanny state and despite how much they trample their rights, they still leap to it's defense.  Talk about a bad case of battered wife syndrome!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2010, 09:54:40 AM
"Asians have always saved 30% or more. Americans never saved more then 10% years ago. Americans have had a negative saving rate for decades. How does economics explain such a monster difference? It can't. Only anthropology or sociology can study cultural differences.

We borrowed from the savers (Asians). Karl Marx wrote 'whoever rules China rules the world.'"--RadioHogan

"You are assuming people save with paper money. Americans do not save at all. This is their answer to inflation.

Asians, on the other hand, exchange paper money for gold (Indians & Chinese, for example). There are the folks who now control the world. What we do doesn't matter. The Chineses are converting paper money into commodities as fast as they can (copper, iron, etc.)."--RadioHogan
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2010, 10:07:03 PM
"atheist (n.): One who believes there is no god.

If you do not believe there is no god you are not an atheist, a nonatheist."--gklr, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt1wDNRkllQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt1wDNRkllQ)

gklr is a fucking moron.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2010, 10:11:42 PM
[yt]GJ3A4aBNK9M[/yt]
He also made this video.
What do you think?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2010, 11:05:38 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on March 11, 2010, 10:07:03 PM
"atheist (n.): One who believes there is no god.

If you do not believe there is no god you are not an atheist, a nonatheist."--gklr, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt1wDNRkllQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt1wDNRkllQ)

gklr is a fucking moron.
If anyone else wants to take this fucktard on, go for it.
I could use the help...
I'm fucking exhausted. @_@

I'm through replying to this sophistic douchebag.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: LuminousMonkey on March 11, 2010, 11:17:44 PM
"A gnostic claims to know. No-one is gnostic." -- gklr

I really can't be bothered with him after this either.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2010, 11:23:15 PM
Thanks for at trying though.
I really appreciate it, LuminousMonkey. :)
I'm also glad it wasn't just me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 12, 2010, 12:01:06 AM
I also facepalm when he whines about me not showing his fallacies.
There's a reason for that:
1.  I'm as exhausted as fuck.
2.  I don't 'debate' sophistic douche-bags with a chip on their shoulder the size of a mosque.
3.  YouTube auto-marks as spam any comment with quoted material.  How can I?
4.  If he really was in fact, as skilled with logic as he claims he would know they were fallacies and why and what they were called and wouldn't need me to correct them.  So he's a liar either for not correcting himself when he was being fallacious, or he's lying when he says that he knows logical fallacies.

If Virgil0211, Shanedk, FlowCell, LordTHawkeye, etc want to give it a try, they can go for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: LuminousMonkey on March 12, 2010, 12:29:56 AM
I don't think I've good enough at elucidating my thoughts, or I must be misunderstanding what he's saying.

He says this:

QuoteA gnostic claims to know. No-one is gnostic.

To me that looks like he's using the correct definition of gnostic, then suddenly shifts the meaning right after.  Am I wrong here?

Religious people claim to know god exists all the time, they think such things are knowable.  He just seems to, basically twist around and up his own backside.  But I'm just a simple man, so I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on March 12, 2010, 02:20:08 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on March 12, 2010, 12:01:06 AM
I also facepalm when he whines about me not showing his fallacies.
There's a reason for that:
1.  I'm as exhausted as fuck.
2.  I don't 'debate' sophistic douche-bags with a chip on their shoulder the size of a mosque.
3.  YouTube auto-marks as spam any comment with quoted material.  How can I?
4.  If he really was in fact, as skilled with logic as he claims he would know they were fallacies and why and what they were called and wouldn't need me to correct them.  So he's a liar either for not correcting himself when he was being fallacious, or he's lying when he says that he knows logical fallacies.

If Virgil0211, Shanedk, FlowCell, LordTHawkeye, etc want to give it a try, they can go for it.

I'm exhausted myself. I've had about 5 big exams in the last couple of weeks, just picked up my exercising routine again, been trying to teach my girlfriend how to lift weights, and a few other issues. Sorry, but I don't think I'd be much help on this one even if I tried. If he's still bothering you in about 3 or 4 days, drop me a line.


He's a religious woo, right? I might know a couple of people who would relish the opportunity. Old 'hunting buddies', if you get my drift.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 12, 2010, 10:45:02 AM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on March 12, 2010, 02:20:08 AM
I'm exhausted myself. I've had about 5 big exams in the last couple of weeks, just picked up my exercising routine again, been trying to teach my girlfriend how to lift weights, and a few other issues. Sorry, but I don't think I'd be much help on this one even if I tried. If he's still bothering you in about 3 or 4 days, drop me a line.


He's a religious woo, right? I might know a couple of people who would relish the opportunity. Old 'hunting buddies', if you get my drift.
He claims to be an atheist (believe it or not).

He has stopped bothering me ever since I stopped replying to his smug, pseudo-intellectual and sophomoric replies.
I did, however make the video he was bitching about my featured video (just to piss him off).
I'm convinced he's a troll.
I know for a fact that he's at least a liar and a sophist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 12, 2010, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: LuminousMonkey on March 12, 2010, 12:29:56 AM
I don't think I've good enough at elucidating my thoughts, or I must be misunderstanding what he's saying.

He says this: "A gnostic claims to know. No-one is gnostic."

To me that looks like he's using the correct definition of gnostic, then suddenly shifts the meaning right after.  Am I wrong here?

Religious people claim to know god exists all the time, they think such things are knowable.  He just seems to, basically twist around and up his own backside.  But I'm just a simple man, so I could be wrong.
Because no theist ever claims to know, right?
*rolls eyes at the dude...*
Ray Comfort: "I know, and you don't." --when talking to thunderf00t about the origin of the universe and/or god and stuff.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 13, 2010, 01:08:43 PM
"So rocks are atheists? They lack belief in a god."--gklr
*facepalms*
Yes, because as we all know, rocks are sentient with the characteristic of belief, right?
*rolls eyes*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 13, 2010, 01:19:30 PM
"That is quite alright Val. :) Since you are unable to show why atheism is a lack of belief, when I showed that a lack of belief is not anything at all.... you run around commenting I trolled. Ok. Troll this. lol." --gklr

What a fucking condescending prick!
Words are defined as we use them (as he himself says), right?
He says lack of belief in gods is nontheism, except, when I look it up, it says atheism and agnosticism are synonyms.
Can you say epic fail?
As Matt Dilahunty on the Iron Chariots wiki says, "Dictionary definitions can be misleading when dealing with larger philosophical topics like atheism."

"when I showed that a lack of belief is not anything at all"
Right, atheism.
To use his own stupid example of a rock.
It doesn't have belief, it lacks belief, ergo, according to his bogus logic, it is an atheist. :D
He also talks of atheism as "well it exists; a lack of belief doesn't exist, therefore atheism is not a lack of belief"
What kind of bullshit is this?
Is he not aware of the concept of negatives?
And he has the balls to say his definition is the only one logically possible?
By that logic, non-theism is a lack of a belief, which, according to him, therefore doesn't exist.
Non-theism "exists" (however this disingenuous asshole defines it), therefore, non-theism is not a lack of belief.
This is blatant special pleading.
And he has the balls to tell ME to crack open a book of logical fallacies?

What a fucking asshole.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 13, 2010, 01:27:12 PM
"a = not has been addressed often and I posted my video on that topic as a reply here. Etymology is not how we define words and any natural language loses most of it's meanings if it were.

The problem with the logical operator not didn't come until 1905, well after the Greeks founded their language. Logic has come a long way since then."--gklr

OK, basically he's saying that because a = not is Etymology, which isn't how words are always defined, therefore it a != not.
Even though he himself told me that, "Well words can have multiple meanings" and doesn't tell us how:
1. why his prefix of "non" gets special treatment and
2. why our version of atheism can't be one of those meanings

Yeah...
*facepalms*
How does this guy manage to tie his shoes in the morning.
I look at the comment section of that video by FFreethinker and he's been spamming it with his pseudo-intellectual bullshit for months.
Man, where's Matt Dilahunty when you need him?
Matt would tear this guy a new one...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 13, 2010, 01:28:56 PM
"Rocks and numbers are not able to have beliefs yes, and that is why they both are without belief that god exists.
all you have done is state why they lack belief in a god, yet they remain nonatheists.
If you do not believe there is no god, you are not an atheist." --gklr

Circular reasoning + nonsequitor.

Funny how he's so smug about us showing why it's a this or that fallacy.
Yet the people who actually know what they are don't ask this of me...
As I said before, either he's lying about knowing what the fallacies are, or about not having committed them.

Also, I like how he beats the vagueness of language to death with words like "exists" which he seems to redefine with almost every post.

@Virgil0211: Though I stopped replying to his stupid ass posts, he's still giving many others in that video (the one by FFreethinker) trouble.
Does that still make your offer for help from other friends of yours, acceptable?  :P

@FlowCell:  If you want to know why I'm not too keen on philosophy, take a look at the comments left by gklr on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt1wDNRkllQ by Ffreethinker to see why; because Any wordsmithing asshole with a pocket-dictionary and way too much spare time can take advantage of the vagueness of language and use it to support any proposition--no matter how unfounded or outright bogus--they want...

Gotta love word-smithing assholes like gklr and MasterGhostKnight who will say anything, botch up any word, equivocate any word, bastardize any fallacy, etc just to support their own dogma...
As Virgil0211 said, I seriously wonder if both of these two have formal language/thought disorders...
I'm not even kidding.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: LuminousMonkey on March 13, 2010, 08:43:31 PM
He used the argument saying the current king of France is neither an theist or an atheist, because there is no such thing that exists.

He seems think that if someone argues that the word atheist is someone that lacks a belief in god or gods, then it is incorrect, because rocks and people that don't exist clearly aren't atheist.

Talk about moving something completely out of context, I was going to comment and say the next time he talks to rocks, or non-existent people he should let me know.  But I've decided that he's just a waste of my time.

Quite frankly, his discussion seems to be, if you will excuse me, just a bunch intellectual masturbation.  He's talking about set logic, yet seems to miss that it's boolean logic.  If something is not true, then it is false.

Talking about the belief of a rock is out of context in the discussion, and is meaningless.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 15, 2010, 12:30:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=aRzOqXL-5I0&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DaRzOqXL-5I0

Hoo boy, of all the thick skulls I have tried to crack, this is the one of the thickest by far.

According to him, UHC is not forced, there is nothing wrong with it and there's no way Mutual Aid societies could ever work even though they kinda sorta did.

Oh yeah, and when I ask him questions, he claims he already answered them.  -_-
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 15, 2010, 12:49:51 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 15, 2010, 12:30:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=aRzOqXL-5I0&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DaRzOqXL-5I0

Hoo boy, of all the thick skulls I have tried to crack, this is the one of the thickest by far.

According to him, UHC is not forced, there is nothing wrong with it and there's no way Mutual Aid societies could ever work even though they kinda sorta did.

Oh yeah, and when I ask him questions, he claims he already answered them.  -_-
billburns2?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 15, 2010, 01:11:57 AM
Indeed, most of the others were at least willing to answer questions and defend their positions.  He just calls everything wrong and breaks for lunch, putting no effort into the position he claims to hold so dear.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 15, 2010, 01:30:48 AM
As Shane would probably say to him:  "It must be so nice to just assert that your opponent is wrong without out having to go through the process of actually rebutting them..."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 17, 2010, 01:39:59 AM
Nope. This is not how you advance freedom. 1 star for anyone who leans on moral arguments. They don't explain anything, and they won't convince anyone because morality is just made up. - Fringeelements (shockingly enough)

Morality is made up?  Psh...so if I were to steal his wallet at gun point, he would react by saying "Hmm...that person acts in a way quite differently than I would.  How interesting"?

No!  Of course you wouldn't!  You'd think I had done something wrong or...immoral?

He's make some good vids but this nonsense about blurring morality to the point of it being meaningless is just absurd.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 17, 2010, 06:54:03 AM
Of course many people's moral standarts are based on a highly personalized bias.
Like me who thinks that the fact that women arent tearing their clothes off and fling themself at me in hopes of being a part of a debauched orgy that the world has'nt seen since the days of Caligula is just wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2010, 12:06:53 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 17, 2010, 01:39:59 AM
Nope. This is not how you advance freedom. 1 star for anyone who leans on moral arguments. They don't explain anything, and they won't convince anyone because morality is just made up. - Fringeelements (shockingly enough)

Morality is made up?  Psh...so if I were to steal his wallet at gun point, he would react by saying "Hmm...that person acts in a way quite differently than I would.  How interesting"?

No!  Of course you wouldn't!  You'd think I had done something wrong or...immoral?

He's make some good vids but this nonsense about blurring morality to the point of it being meaningless is just absurd.
Yeah, his videos on free will and morality are pathetic.
He really needs to stick to economics and anti-statism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 22, 2010, 12:45:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt-qihwxk0I

Seems I ruffled some feathers with my story time vid about healthcare.  Why is it always the Brits who are first to go charging in blindly when you dare bad mouth the liberal holy grail?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 22, 2010, 06:52:18 AM
It seems like the ones who respond to mine didn't even bother to watch the video. I got the same crap about things like pre-existing conditions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 24, 2010, 12:54:00 AM
"aaaaactually the goal of socialism is ultimately to not have a government at all. True socialism is far closer to libertarianism than statism."

I swear to Ghandi, he was dead serious here...  o.O
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 24, 2010, 12:33:51 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 24, 2010, 12:54:00 AM
"aaaaactually the goal of socialism is ultimately to not have a government at all. True socialism is far closer to libertarianism than statism."

I swear to Ghandi, he was dead serious here...  o.O
From what I understand, he's right.
But what I don't always get is how they're supposed to get to having no government by making it as big as possible.
Do they really think the people in power of this supersized state are not going to give them any trouble giving up all that power?
Or that people aren't going to die from the adjustment?
Why not simply abolish the state to begin with?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 24, 2010, 02:03:04 PM
They're still not closer to libertarianism. Libertarianism is individualism; socialism is collectivism. It's hard to get any more diametrically opposed than that!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 24, 2010, 07:04:02 PM
@Shane:  That's true.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 25, 2010, 02:24:45 AM
My apologies in advance for quoting this one, if it breaks any forum rules, but I simply HAD to put this one in: 

"@scottvska

Take your liberal crap somewhere else. DNA evidence as well as empirical evidence show different race has difference distribution pattern of physical traits and intelligence. "Race doesn't exist!"? What world are you living in? Yeah, keep your head in the sand. " --lwglwglwg

Yes, because controls don't mean anything, amirite?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 25, 2010, 02:36:39 AM
Wait, what?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 25, 2010, 10:14:09 PM
Ah, good old Kia252, I wondered when that little worm would slither along to make up facts

"Just so you know, the AMA is a private organization that has nothing to do with physician licensing, and is most certainly not a the only organization around for physician education and advocacy (their primary roles from my understanding). You may want to rework your talking points."

If the AMA is a private organization and not a monopoly, I am Princess Peach of the Mushroom Kingdom.  -_-
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 25, 2010, 10:17:02 PM
[anything that comes out of the mouth of Vogter2100, MasterGhostKnight, and billburns2 on economics]
'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 31, 2010, 08:32:27 PM
"Turned a million dollar profit last year? How can you classify Locks of Love (yeah, right, love) as a non-profit charity with a four star ranking with that kind of profits." --Some idiot commenter on Charity Navigator: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.comments&orgid=9285

Yeah, like it's a HORRIBLE thing if charities make money! Does this guy reek of political dogmatism or what? I'll betcha he thinks UHC is a great idea...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2010, 08:37:27 PM
Because as we all know, the state never makes any money whatsoever with all the people in it doing what they do as unpaid volunteers.
Oh wait...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 02, 2010, 12:50:25 PM
"@Surhotchaperchlorome

I honestly don't see rational justifications for 'incompetence' theories. Much of our society is planned, just like executives in a firm would plan buisness ahead so that profits can be maximized. Similarly, such planning ensures the maximization and consolidation of power, so that power does not escape from those who are already in power. These people will of course compete (and I'm not accusing a set of people, you could be one of them if power acquisiton was your goal)" --someone on one of Stefan's videos on "statism is dead".

When someone does something horrible, you can choose between malice or stupidity.  I say stupidity is the default because it (a lack of smarts in this) is the negative position.

I'll admit that the politicians are in it for profits, I won't deny that.  I just don't think they are THAT smart to know all of what is going on.
They probably honestly believe that they are doing good.  However, odds are they are probably just indifferent and/or don't give a rat's ass about us and are only in it to better themselves...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 03, 2010, 04:48:21 PM
"It's amusing how public schools elsewhere in the free world manage to put American public schools to shame. So, the answer is private schools? I'm sure they'll do just as great a job as the health care industry." --some state cultist on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzvKyfV3JtE)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 03, 2010, 05:28:52 PM
As someone who heavily relies on medication to at least stay periodicaly sapient I hearthely disagree with this statement.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2010, 10:35:35 PM
"@Surhotchaperchlorome. OK, so you're not a neo-con. What word best describes someone who believes the market is the answer to all the planet's ills?
Stefan may not be a neo-con, but if he believes only unpaid researchers can be believed, he is not a deep thinker. He has swallowed every denier argument without checking them. I've debunked the first few here, and I posted a video reply that debunks two - if he approves it! A few minutes research would have shown him the polar bear claim is a lie."--cristop5

*facepalms*
I'm an anarcho capitalist; which is about as far from neo conservatives as you can get.
Neocons aren't free market.  They just pay lip service to it.
I never said Stefan was right.  I even posted Potholer54's Climate Change playlist to correct him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2010, 11:55:20 PM
I tell him a shorted version of the above after the facepalm and here's what I get:

"@Surhotchaperchlorome. Have a look at greenman3610's channel. It also debunks climate denier myths.

Is 'anarcho capitalism' the same as laissez faire? Apparently it gives you license to use the word 'violent' in a new way. It seems you can now slip 'violent' into any sentence provided it is in rough proximity to the word 'statism' - another new word. Whether you include or remove the word 'violent' - the meaning of the sentence remains exactly the same!
Might I suggest 'violent redundancy'?"

What a fucking dogmatic prick.
Gee, it couldn't possibly be because, oh, I dunno, the State and statism is violent?
I mean, come on...
That whole post was one big fat poking fun/prodding/poisoning the well/appeal to ridicule.
Bah, I don't have the strength for this.
If he's going to treat Capitalism like a religion, I'm sorry, but he's a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 05, 2010, 11:11:37 AM
Stefan was totally on the ball about the eco-hypocrisy vid though.  I mean seriously, if the biggest proponents of global warming don't seem to be taking it all that seriously, why should we?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 08, 2010, 04:16:06 PM
First comment: "unification church is all about inter faith work and bringing peace to this world, ignorant people focus on the negative and ignore the positive"

My comment: "Bullshit.
It's a cult that extorts money out of gullible people."


Now for the fail quote:
Quotebrunoklotz: "@Surhotchaperchlorome

It is the movement of the Messiah and Saviour, working to save this world. But such motivation is maybe beyond some people's imagination."

The old "yer closed minded" bs for the win.

For those wondering, here's the video in question:  [yt]6ffvLTwtlfI[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 08, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
Is it just me or is that theme just promissing unwarranted funk?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 09, 2010, 08:43:06 PM
You know, they say "give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself."

Man did I get a disturbing example of this today...

Another liberal whackjob bleating about how evil insurance companies are so I decided to not try and counter his arguments but simply ask questions and see how long he could dance around them before saying something stupid.

I got to the point where I asked "Food is arguably an even MORE essential service than medicine since you could theoretically never see the  doctor and take your chances but you will definetely die without food.  So, why does nobody object to making profits off food?"

What did I get in response?

QuoteIt isn't immoral to charge for food because the human body can run on almost ANYTHING. That means that I could go outside right now and live off the plants and animals living there. People can live in the desert, because that's what humans do; we survive, we persevere, we overcome! When people buy food or water they are paying for the CONVENIENCE of another human finding it and preparing it. We pay extra for exotic foods that are rare to our lands because it takes more effort, time, and money to gather them.

Yeah...those 25,000 people a day who die of hunger.  They just weren't trying hard enough.  Wow...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 09, 2010, 11:05:25 PM
Yikes...just yikes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 10, 2010, 11:44:46 AM
Speaking of defending atrocities and double standards...
...Something that has bothered me about politicians is that the public will go crazy if they cheat on their spouse, or have whatever else going on in their personal lives.
Heck, I'm sure they'd try and burn the candidate at the stake if he/she molested a few 5 year olds and killed his/her family.
I was taught that people are like this to presidential candidates especially because the person is supposed to be the "moral leader".
But even if the person who became president did the actions above BUT still managed to get elected and, because the person has the politics of Harry Browne or Mary Ruwart, manages to save millions of lives from our wars, FDA, etc, isn't that a good thing?
The person, on net balance saved many many lives and helped billions more.

Yet normally a person with a clean (or close to clean) personal life gets elected and millions die as a result of his policies.
Isn't that far worse than the above scenario?

Yet my teacher would probably say that
QuoteBut he's the moral leader!!!  He can't be president!  He's too immoral!
If I were to defend the first president.

Yet if I were to bash the second president I'd get
QuoteBut he fought them over there so we didn't have to fight them over here!

Because murder is perfectly OK so long as it is done by the state, right?
*facepalms*

The idea that our archons have to be these superhuman perfectly 100% clean lambs is a load of crap...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 10, 2010, 04:04:15 PM
LTH notes that the idea that social animals need a state is a contradiction.

He got this reply:
Quotewe call it a hierarchical structure all social animals have one form of it. And sides there is no true such thing as personal success in our modern world, you drive on public roads funded by the public unless you want to pay a toll to some company for using their roads, you have education unless you want to pay for private and being in a population of uneducated cuts down opportunities for all, there is no escaping that you rely on social systems.
--Some guy talking to Lord T Hawkeye on one of stefbot's videos.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 11, 2010, 06:38:06 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 09, 2010, 08:43:06 PM
You know, they say "give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself."

Man did I get a disturbing example of this today...

Another liberal whackjob bleating about how evil insurance companies are so I decided to not try and counter his arguments but simply ask questions and see how long he could dance around them before saying something stupid.

I got to the point where I asked "Food is arguably an even MORE essential service than medicine since you could theoretically never see the  doctor and take your chances but you will definetely die without food.  So, why does nobody object to making profits off food?"

What did I get in response?

Yeah...those 25,000 people a day who die of hunger.  They just weren't trying hard enough.  Wow...


OK, first off, the same way that they get enraged when presumably someone denies you health care because of money, they should be enraged that someone would deny you food because of money too. And the same way they think that health care is essential to human life, therefore it must be free for all, then they must by all means be for socialized food (or whatever you would call it).

Also, we can put out fires and chase criminals by our self too, but i don't think they would like it if I say we don't need police or fire departments.

Also, the same argument could be applied to health care - your body heals naturally, has an immune system build in to it. If you keep your self warm  and safe from health hazards and drink enough tea and eat enough veggies every day, you don't need health care that much.  And yes, you might get cancer or something that can't be prevented by just doing those things, but you could also get a drought too, so why not have socialized food then?

And anyone who says that our means of getting food is nothing more than convenience, I dare him to try to survive by just hunting. Yeah, you can do it, but say hello to constant battle for survival and no time left to do any of the stuff that modern humans do. You might as well just go back to the Xth century.

Being able to get food fast, on the spot,  is more essential to our way of life today than these people think.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 12, 2010, 12:19:19 AM
I don't know how but it seems liberals have a bad habit of taking a lot of things in life for granted.  That's why they take on this absurd "bash capitalism while reaping the benefits of it and try to stop any progress you can just as long as you can still get lattes" stance.

Worse yet is when you get examples like the quote above of "We care...as long as you believe as we do."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 12, 2010, 02:04:34 PM
FergTubeAble: "Sad. You don't offer any proof, You are simply trying to insult thru imitaion. Your other videos I have seen offer a rational arguement. This is just sad. Stick with the social ideals. Leave personal choice alone."

Quote@FergTubeAble  Do you really need proof to know that a hell of a lot more people are dying of heart attacks over b12 deficiency

Even giving the benefit of the doubt that what he says is true, that's NOT an argument against eating meat, but rather just not eating ridiculous amounts of meat.

The other was quoted because of the poor spelling and to give context to Jacob's quote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 12, 2010, 11:16:29 PM
All from that Ultramediacorp imbecile commenting on Shane's latest video:

Quote@Surhotchaperchlorome If you want to make it a racial question, then yeah we would be just like Kenya is Black and Puerto Rico Brown. Why do you have a problem with that?

Quote@shanedk If the majority is white and you are asking what kind of country we are in a racial context, yeah then we would be white. Or do you think implying a racist component to the argument is gonna scare me into denying what the facts are.

Quote@shanedk They were Deists were they? Gee, you ever read the mayflower compact? You ever read the letters written by George Washington? Just how many signatures on the the founding Documents were those of deists? You care to share the staggering truth with us? Or don't you really know?
*facepalms* The pilgrims did NOT found the USA.  Even *I* know that.

Quote@shanedk Just out of curiosity, what were the Quakers and what was their influence on the founding documents? Think that will give ya some clues
Nor did the Quakers.  And even if they did:  "Regardless of their personal opinions, the founding fathers choose to set up a secular state." --Iron Chariots (NOT a fail quote)

Quote@Elitistb616 No he is completely wrong. The constitution is a contractual agreement and in the very first part of his video he admits the words are not in the Constitution but implies the supposition of a "Concept of said wall being there" when NOTHING like abstract concepts are enforceable moreover he gratuitously adds to the instruction "Congress shall make no laws respecting a religion" is not the intent of any one founder. On the contrary, everyone that signed it in so doing agrees with it

*facepalms* His entire point is a strawman.  As Shane already explained in the very video this bozo is commenting on, you have to go by the meaning of the words as they were used at the time, not founder intent.

I hate to break it to him, but reality doesn't work by majority vote.

Also, his profile:
QuoteMy Mission"

To Destroy, Discredit, Debunk, Disparage the ever lying illusion of evilution. Join me and BigWhammy in exposing the most insidious, insipid, ignorant, idiocy being taught in our public schools today. The fraud, the Hoax's, the Deceptive slippery circular semantics of Atheist speaking out both sides of their filthy foaming mouths. We expose, exploit and extinguish EVERY Atheist / evolutionary ploy with drop dead common sense and scientific facts the old fashioned way and we never lose. I don't care if you're Bitchin Hitchens, Sam The Scam Harrisy, or Dick DoHkins, WE divide and CRUSH the pathetically repugnant pseudo science of evolution leaving the followers of this so called mountain of evidence, choking on the dust of their own regrets.

Evolution is unequivocally the biggest hoax ever perpetrated for the advancement of the religion of Atheism and its NWO agenda
What more need to be said?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 13, 2010, 01:26:26 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 12, 2010, 11:16:29 PM
*facepalms* The pilgrims did NOT found the USA.  Even *I* know that.
Nor did the Quakers.

Of course, everyone who knows a thing or two about a thing or two know that it was elves.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 14, 2010, 11:35:10 AM
"Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society." --Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 14, 2010, 11:38:12 AM
Taxes and not eating the raw hearts of our vanquished enemies.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 15, 2010, 10:30:06 AM
And from someone else on that Unification Church video:

"@Surhotchaperchlorome

Sorry to say, but I think that your viewpoint is not in line with God's. You can ask God humbly and gradually find out the spiritual reality, that Rev Moon is the Saviour."--brunoklotz

Sorry, but I'm not a Schizophrenic...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 20, 2010, 01:53:44 PM
Me:  " Solution: Abolish the war on drugs; legalize ALL drugs, period.
1. But..but..there are GOOD reasons to legalize drugs too! =P"
To which this idiot responded:
Quote@Surhotchaperchlorome What a GREAT solution! Allow everyone to self-medicate into lethargy, and then we will be just another second-rate nation.
--RackedRabbi


Translation: "AHH!!! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 20, 2010, 02:14:23 PM
He puts such a negative spin on lethargy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 20, 2010, 03:47:35 PM
@Gumba Masta:  All the more reason to make his response a fail quote.


"@Surhotchaperchlorome
The historical record would show you that the most paranoid are those in power who plot and scheme to maintain and increase it all cost. History is rife with governmental conspiracies, not a flight of fancy at all." --Some dude on Stefan's video

I was talking about THIS country not "throughout history"; and I figured that was clear based on the context.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 21, 2010, 08:19:52 PM
I made the statement that statism has proven to be unsustainable saying "Numbers don't lie.  What cannot mathematically continue, will not continue" and was met with this gem...

QuoteIt's testament to how little you understand of macroeconomics and... well, mathematics, that you can believe any part of this. Numbers *do* lie, all the time, because they're badly sourced, and debt can continue to grow so long as potential value grows at the same pace. Which it probably does, in long term trends. little stock market crashes and depressions happen all the time, but on the whole, the world economy keeps getting worth more and more, and debt continues to increase alongside it. That's how a capitalist market creates momentum and profitable ventures. Debt will ALWAYS increase, it's actually a sign of a healthy economy. Of course, there are bits of debt that are rather bad, but on the whole, saying the economy is terrible because it's in debt shows an utter lack of knowledge about how capitalism works on a grand scale.

Debt is a sign of a healthy economy?  Well gee, maybe I should go on a shopping spree with my credit card and improve my own personal economy!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 21, 2010, 08:22:24 PM
"...and debt continues to increase alongside it. That's how a capitalist market creates momentum and profitable ventures."
*Facepalms*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 22, 2010, 03:16:25 AM
I consider my self to be a capitalist newb in general, but DEAR GOD WAS THAT STUPID!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 23, 2010, 01:23:27 AM
He goes on with this when challenged.

QuoteNo, because of what I outlined. Listen.

Man has $100. He wants to start a business. He borrows $500 (what the bank will allow based on his existing money), and starts the business. He uses the venture capital to generate profits, paying his debts. He's now worth $600. He could just sit there and continue to make a bit of money, but why do that? he can now borrow 6 times that amount from the bank, so he borrows $3000, and invests it in the same way, growing his business to the point where it can efficiently pay off his debts. He makes the 3000 dollars back. He's now worth 3000 dollars, and why not just keep going? he can now borrow $15000. He is now 30 times more in debt than he was when he first borrowed, but the debt is sustainable because he is worth more. Read my post, I said that

"the world economy keeps getting worth more and more, and debt continues to increase alongside it. That's how a capitalist market creates momentum and profitable ventures. Debt will ALWAYS increase, it's actually a sign of a healthy economy"

I hope this makes more sense with the given example.

Have some more rope...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 23, 2010, 09:56:50 AM
Uh...what exactly happens if he CAN"T make more money than he borrowed?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 23, 2010, 10:30:26 AM
Well to use a technical term... if he only borrows 500 bucks he's fucked.
If he borrows 10 million, the banks will ask him if he needs some more.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 23, 2010, 03:35:53 PM
QuoteHow many Libertarians does it take to change a light bulb?
None. If you just leave it alone and get out of the way, the free market will take care of it."
--Etimos, source (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laCYmjUDOvk)

Do I even have to explain this one?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 23, 2010, 04:00:40 PM
Good heavens no!
You know that explaining it ruins every joke.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 27, 2010, 09:41:37 PM
"The free market is not perfect, it is an ideal. Like communism it is a beautiful idea that can't exist in the real world.

Communism ignores the affects of greed to achieve a perfect society. Free Marketism ignores the affects of fraud and force."--SpamSpamNEggs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy_segw1NII)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 29, 2010, 03:05:20 AM
"But it [paying taxes] is common sense, unless you want your economy and infrastructure to go down the shit hole." --Encyclopedia Dramatica article on "Zeitgeist - The Movie"

1.  "Appeal to common sense" is a fallacy.
2.  Broken Window Fallacy + argument from adverse consequences.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 29, 2010, 07:17:38 PM
I have to ask, what is the basis for this "Without taxes there will be chaos" claim anyway?  Can these people point to one case where a society had no taxes and it didn't work out?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 02, 2010, 08:43:07 PM
On this video:  [yt]urASFJClhdI[/yt]

I made this comment: " /watch?v=ftd-AiOz_Kl ("Understanding Liberty: Answering My Critics " by FlowCell)"

To which the video's uploader responded with:
Quote@Surhotchaperchlorome I appreciate the sentiment of the video and agree with most of the conclusions, but I don't see how "all men are created equal" can be accepted axiomatically. I also think whether or not rights are objective is beside the point. As the video illustrates, what matters is whether or not people believe in those rights. Thus I think the argument for human rights should be out of empathy and potential benefit, not that they are objectively true, since that's hard to prove.
--Stargazer5781

Sheesh, talk about missing the point...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 03, 2010, 02:06:13 AM
Fringeelements is great at politics but I wish he'd think a little harder about his moral nihilism position because I really don't think he gets the full implications of that stance.

To be a moral nihilist, you cannot correct or object to anyone's behavior.  As soon as you do so, you're not a moral nihilist anymore.

QuoteI don't know if every single one, but the major moral codes were said to be prescribed by god. This was how they bridged the is-ought gap, with god.
Morality is subjective like god is subjective. An "ought" cannot exist, and the use of oughts in language is not proof of one any more than using "the mind" is proof of mind-body dualism.
No, you don't need morality to appeal to subjective value. Why are you people still doing this? This is so simple.

This was said AFTER I stated that the golden rule predates organized religion and the state by centuries.  I really wish he'd rethink this position because it's hurting his credibility.

Oh yeah...he states this in another comment...

QuoteNo, the state does not respect the individual, all acts of state are acts of war. A state is a person or persons who claim an area and say you have to do X or force will be applied to you until you obey.

This sounds a lot like an appeal to morality to me...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 05, 2010, 08:16:03 PM
Self explanatory: [yt]oAfzmm6ZvZ4&feature=player_embedded[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 06, 2010, 03:49:40 AM
"If you think global warming is man made you might be a fucking moron. Water vapor is by far the biggest greenhouse gas yet people only concentrate on CO2! This is just another bullshit bogeyman to scare you into giving up liberty and your money. If they don't get you with this they try terrorists, guns, immigrants, gays, trans fat, etc. And if global warming is man-made, then try to find some solution that doesn't involve forcing peoples' hands and drastically lowering their quality of life!"-- Militant-Mike1, on OKCupid.com

Only the bold part is the fail quote.
I do agree that if global warming is man-made, that that does NOT justify using the state to try to stop it.
Voluntarism >> Statism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 06, 2010, 06:24:44 AM
The second sentence is fail, too. First of all, there is no such thing as a "greenhouse gas." The carbon gases (like carbon dioxide and methane) increase the heat index of the atmosphere, which is why increased concentration raise global temperatures. Water vapor doesn't work like that. When it's in the form of humidity, it allows the atmosphere to hold in more radiation, which warms it, but when it's in the form of clouds, it increases the albedo, reflecting away more radiation, having the opposite effect. Also, water vapor is very good at staying at equilibrium--the water cycle removes new water in the atmosphere quickly, while carbon gases can stay in the atmosphere for upwards of a thousand years. Increased concentrations of those results in a new, higher equilibrium; not so with water vapor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 06, 2010, 11:47:53 PM
Fixed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2010, 11:10:04 PM
"@Surhotchaperchlorome I recommend revisiting the history of human civilization. It's been nothing but a purposeful quest for power and control over others. Most recently, the track record of the British empire in establishing countries around the world to farm could hardly be classified as random incompetence.

I wonder where the reflexive need to call this conspiracy theory comes from...perhaps that our entire lives have been spent believing the myth of the invisible hand and free market"--councilonsper.

What a fucking moron...
I probably wouldn't have put this in the fail quotes section if it weren't for the last part.
I mean come on, as I explained in this (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=462.0) topic about Stefan Molyneux's videos, they clearly haven't thought this idea through.
And yes, the invisible and the free market, work.
What a fucking idiot councilonsper is.
Human history my ass, prove what they say or STFU.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 16, 2010, 10:27:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMzeY7rOJvQ

Challenge: How long can you watch and keep a straight face?

I seriously laughed hysterically for a good 5 minutes when he said the rich bring no value to society.  What is this asshole thinking?  That rich people just dropped out of the sky?

PSA voice: Your brain is a marvel of technology, but when you take Marxism, you alter your brain.  You change thinking patterns.  You distort perception.  And eventually...your brain just won't be the same.  Think about it, while you still can.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 16, 2010, 12:47:17 PM
QuoteThe basic structure of the internet was created by govt funding. If a private company had built the internet, it would be entirely different. The govt created the internet to be an open platform that couldn't be disabled by an attack, but a private company would've built a system that could be easily controlled for reasons of profit. Even as we speak, private companies are lobbying to gain more control of the internet and lessen its open structure.

MarmaladeINFP in this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG51uCrYxVM

Edit: The guy kinda got mad after I responded to him:

QuoteIf the government had no control over the internet, a monopoly would have control over the internet. If you don't understand that, your blindness to reality is amazing. Free markets only exist with regulation and effective regulation only exists with a government. Show me an example of a truly free market (fair, just & meritocratic) that has existed without any government regulation at all at any point. You can't. So just STFU!


Correct me if I am wrong, but I sure as hell don't remember reading about the telephone being a monopolized free market service, do you?

OK, last one, I promise:
QuoteThe black market demonstrates how monopolization happens without government regulation. The drug cartels will simply kill their competition and otherwise protect their monopolies at all costs. Even though they aren't regulated, it doesn't stop them from bribing officials. But that is just a mere inconvenience. Without any officials at all to bribe, their control would be complete.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2010, 04:33:57 PM
"The ATF and FBI have a file on me. If you don't have a FBI file you aren't doing enough against this tyrannical state."-- Militant-Mike1 on OKCupid.

Because doing god-knows-what he did to get that is the ONLY way to help the liberty movement, right?
*facepalms*

Don't get me wrong, this guy is pretty cool.
Damn near the rest of his entire OKCupid profile is epic fucking win.
The vast majority of which I will now post in the fav quotes thread.

also:  w00t!!! :D
Forum's back up y'all! :D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: valvatica on May 16, 2010, 09:21:10 PM
Quote from: VectorM on May 16, 2010, 12:47:17 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but I sure as hell don't remember reading about the telephone being a monopolized free market service, do you?

Regarding the Internet, do people purposely forget that it is not centralized? This is not the Internet:

(http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu318/valvatica/funny/1268542243847.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 17, 2010, 04:46:47 AM
Quote from: valvatica on May 16, 2010, 09:21:10 PM
Regarding the Internet, do people purposely forget that it is not centralized? This is not the Internet:

(http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu318/valvatica/funny/1268542243847.jpg)

What episode is that? Started watching South Park again couple of months ago on their website and i am still at season 9.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: valvatica on May 17, 2010, 06:29:19 PM
Quote from: VectorM on May 17, 2010, 04:46:47 AM
What episode is that? Started wathing South Park again couple of months ago on their website and i am still at season 9.

Season 12, "Over Logging"  :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 18, 2010, 01:40:14 PM
I got someone saying that government is a non profit organization, no kidding.

When asked for an explanation for this insane statement, I got this.

QuoteGovernment doesn't run intending to make a profit. It uses money from taxes to provide services. Any "profit" (taxes less services provided) should either have been used in providing services, or shouldn't have been taxed in the first place (lower taxes). The government is not there to be making a profit (and this is perhaps why quite a few are in deficit right now)

Why yes, this person IS British.  How did you guess?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 18, 2010, 02:59:02 PM
Did you explain to him that even a non-profit has to worry about staying in the black?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 18, 2010, 05:36:04 PM
I'll be sure and bring that up but he'll probably just quote the twit who said debt is essential for a healthy economy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 19, 2010, 08:40:31 PM
"Nobody's granting anything on behalf of anyone else. YOU choose to live where you do, therefore YOU accept the contract.. Nothing to do with rape or any such nonsense.
No, I don't agree with everything my government does. This is the third time I've explained that those who believe in government don't believe that government can do no wrong. It's a Libby strawman. " - Our old friend Billburns on youtube

Some days, it's just too easy...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2010, 11:25:41 AM
"No, it's not.
Libertarians seem to have trouble figuring out the difference between having a CHOICE to leave and being OBLIGED to leave."--Billburns yet again.
In response to me saying that the "social contract" is the leave-it-or-leave-it argument.

Man this guy is a tool.
Why he considers himself an Anarchist I'll never know.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2010, 11:27:23 AM
"1. ..and as an adult you can choose where you live - house, town, region, COUNTRY
2. Who said choices had to be easy? TANSTAAFL
3. You need to make the choice that is best for you. Obviously Canada ain't because you whine about it. Nobody is obliged to supply you with something just because you want it. That's not how the free market works.
4. You can accept the concept of social contract and still disagree with everything your government does. They're not not mutually exclusive"--billburns again.

I like how he's trying to use Libertarian memes (TANSTAAFL) and others to try and be ironic and play the gottcha game.
What a tool.

"Truth Warrior
Debunker of bullshit.
Slayer of Libertarians"--The idiot's profile page
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 20, 2010, 02:01:36 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 20, 2010, 11:25:41 AM
Why he considers himself an Anarchist I'll never know.

Because he is a communist. Communism is ultimately supposed be anarchism, where people just naturally act as a social collective.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 20, 2010, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: VectorM on May 20, 2010, 02:01:36 PM
Because he is a communist. Communism is ultimately supposed be anarchism, where people just naturally act as a social collective.

Yeah; anyone else remember that Oingo Boingo song "Perfect System"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on May 20, 2010, 03:37:18 PM
No, how did that one go?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2010, 05:56:53 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on May 20, 2010, 03:37:18 PM
No, how did that one go?

[yt]Qo30hYkJWzc[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 20, 2010, 08:31:52 PM
Nightmare060 makes a fool of himself.  He asked for sources, I gave him Stefan Molyneux's exhaustive study of public healthcare as well as many others and I got this

Quote
So first of all, you are making a no true scotsman logical falacy in that it can't be "True" freemarket unless it's totaly unregulated.

Do you HONESTLY think that having doctors be lisenced so you know that they know what the fuck they are doing? If there were no regulations, any old person could come off the street, claim to be a doctor and sell snake oil to any person that doesn't know the difference.

You may as well throw out the ENTIER scientific method because people die while waiting. But get this; If we let drugs be unregulated, theres a thing called the BLACK MARKET! This will kill more people with fake medecine since there are those who only care about the money.

I never stated there was no regulation to begin with. You are putting words in my mouth. I am saying that social regulations need to be there because of the deceptive people who care more about money or religon than actualy helping people or science. You may as well allow faith healing hopsitals, as they would come without any sort of regulations! I remain neutral on the subject of echonomics because I do not yet understand enough about the subject to comment. And so, I can only comment on the social side of things and the ethics part of it.

If you honestly think that insurance companies, if they were alloud to create manopolies then they can and will deny newborn babies coverage because of pre-existing conditions. And also considering how BP are refusing to admit responsability for the oil spill off the gulf of maxico right now and are LITERALY saying things like "Oh the ocean can handel it, natural oil leaks out more than that", how can you honestly say that free market coperations are honest enough to keep the customers wellfare in mind rather than thinking of their own profits?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2010, 08:41:02 PM
Just reading the first line of that quote, you know he's full of shit.
As Shane has explained many times.
It's a continuum, not a dichotomy.

Also, did you try showing him Shane's video response to FightingAtheist and his pair of videos showing how to fix health care without spending a dime?
Where Shane debunks the claim about the AMA or no doctor licensing false dichotomy?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2010, 09:02:14 PM
Heh.
A reply he made to my comment:

"1: Better to force people to pay a small ammount each month that contributes better overall, than to force them to pay huge ammounts of money upfront.
2: Of course. I know their are charities. I love wildlife charities and wish I could do more to help. But for something as large as healthcare for the whole country I don't like leaving the door open to unregulated for-profit corperations is a good idea.
3: Not if they want to get re-elected."

Translation: "AHHH!! THE SKY IS FALLING!! THE SKY IS FALLING!"
What? He's presented just as much evidence.  Zilch.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 20, 2010, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 20, 2010, 08:41:02 PM
Just reading the first line of that quote, you know he's full of shit.
As Shane has explained many times.
It's a continuum, not a dichotomy.

Also, did you try showing him Shane's video response to FightingAtheist and his pair of videos showing how to fix health care without spending a dime?
Where Shane debunks the claim about the AMA or no doctor licensing false dichotomy?

No, I lectured and shamed him like the child he is.  I told him that he gets an F for presenting no evidence to back up his statements, his knowledge of economics is an embarrasment and if he honestly gives a damn about the sick, he ought to get off his ass and do some homework on the subject rather than regurgitate propaganda from Micheal Moore films.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2010, 11:08:37 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on May 20, 2010, 09:59:18 PM
No, I lectured and shamed him like the child he is.  I told him that he gets an F for presenting no evidence to back up his statements, his knowledge of economics is an embarrasment and if he honestly gives a damn about the sick, he ought to get off his ass and do some homework on the subject rather than regurgitate propaganda from Micheal Moore films.
Yeah, I see what you mean.
Honestly, if you've seen my latest reply to him, well, fun fact about that.
I'm just so sick of hearing the same debunked bogosity again and again, I'm honestly to the point where I can't take their arguments seriously anymore.
Period.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 21, 2010, 12:20:43 AM
I don't take them seriously.  I laugh at them and hope maybe I can shame people for believing in such foolishness.

Though on another note...

"Slayer of Libertarians"?  What?  Is he hoping we're going to laugh ourselves to death?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2010, 04:09:52 AM
A few more grim covered gems on Lord T Hawkeye's videos:

Me:
"@Nightmare060
1. And your evidence for this doomsday situation is?
2. Why not?
3. Because that's worked so well in the past in this country, right?"

Quote1: What doomsday situation? Paying huge ammounts upfront is what you'd have to do in the US right now if you don't have insurance. And there are many documented cases of inusrance companies denying people coverage they desperatly need and making excuses, as well as denying babies because of pre-existing conditions.
2: To large a scale, no garantee that the money will be sustainable.
3: No corrupt poloticians screwing up the NHS thus far :3.
--Nightmare060

from comments on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvEC71m7j4g

As you yourself said, dude, I bet ALL politicians wish everyone was that easy.
And yeah, I suppose I should have known he was from the UK....

Quote@lordthawkeye
I thought this was explained to you...
Nobody is bullying you into doing anything.
You're here by your own choice. If that wasn't true you'd live somewhere else.
That's the Social Contract.
"Myth #1" debunked.
next please...
--billburns2 on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djYq1fr9fKI

And now a poem/story thingie, by me.  It is called, "I killed a man: the social contract".

I killed a man.
I walked onto his land
and told him if he doesn't pay
rent to me I will make his day.

He said I have no right
to give him fright
unless he can do so to me
"No because I use your money
to provide goods and services to you.
You ungrateful lout.
You have the choice to leave."
"If I did the same to you
would you allow it for true?"

"No, for I claim ownership of this land
and of you, if you disobey, you'll die
you disobedient shrew!
If you want to leave that is fine, go ahead
I don't need the likes of you."

"What choice is that, to act as if liberty is given
and chains the default.
They are imposed, not of nature of her fault!"

"I refuse you
I will not pay.
I urge you:
Go Away."

*BANG*
"Justice is served.
He didn't obey his social contract."

THE END
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2010, 04:41:26 AM
Quote@lordthawkeye Making no sense I'm saying what will happen in anarchy and you ask why it isn't happening now? Can you seriously sit there, without actually addressing the issues, and make such blatently contradictory statements?
I'm saying in anarchy this will happen.
Then you ask why it isn't happening?
Let me get my spoon.
If there is no force, then the free rider problem becomes more wide spread than it is now. The reason it isn't more problematic than it is now, is because of force
--yytrert on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B3FrISvypo

Note how he's asserted this many times, but never actually bothers to back it up...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2010, 01:44:30 PM
[yt]qEWz_CLLUsk[/yt]
What more needs to be said?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2010, 07:02:12 PM
Man, billburns2 doesn't know when to quit.

Quote@lordthawkeye
Once again, you're comparing dictatorships, where citizens have no choice as to who governs them, and democracies, where we do.
The Social Contract entails choice: The choice of who governs you and the choice of leaving the country if you so wish. None of those are applicable in Haiti, Iraq (under Saddam), Germany (under Hitler), USSR (under Stalin) or any of the other extremes that you choose to falsely portray as free countries.
This really is too easy...

What scares and angers me the most about that is that people like BillBurns2 can vote.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/mvp27444/l_cb959ca2996ecf8df49a20767a333a68.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 22, 2010, 03:18:10 PM
QuoteWell you can't tell me exactly how we get to a free market, therefore, it's Utopian just like Communism.
--Some conservative imbecile who just admitted he pays lip-service to free market capitalism, and to "hating the government".

My reply:
1. Guilt by Association.
What, both free market capitalists and communists don't like the status quo, therefore we MUST want the exact same results?
Because obviously there is only a choice between the status quo and "utopia", right?
*facepalms*

2. So I suppose the American Revolution never happened?
Or the period of about 20 years of massive economic and personal freedom after the Civil War?
BASIC HISTORY FAIL
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 23, 2010, 03:27:02 AM
Quotehttp://www.thecritui.com/articles/Engle%20II.pdf
Sometimes Libertarians come along thinking that they could somehow have "rights" without also having a state; as if a bunch of private people with hoarded gold who hire thugs to beat people down would not also be a state. As if you could even have things like property and rights without the state. Usually the libertarian concepts of "rights" are really childish and undeveloped, mostly just an instinctive reflection of greed. So I wrote this in part to try to give the tards a better grasp on their dicks, and also to criticize them.
--eric-the-read on OKCupid.

Aw, how cute.  He's trying to think.  ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 23, 2010, 05:30:50 AM
mootheshmoo- The problem with youtube they all seem to be muslims. and very few of everyone else. NO JEWS NO HINDUS, NO BUDDIST and only a handful of Christians. I think that all these muslims are the same person withdifferent usernames on youtube getting paid by some oil rich Arab from the oil we buy from them spreading their ISLAMIC PROPAGANDA to the world and building mosques all other the western world with oil money. That is how EVIL SPREADS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? TO A RARE NON MUSLIM HERE

From the comments on this movie. I've been reading it for a good laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW6t5fgVJoc
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 25, 2010, 04:12:06 AM
"OKCupid's political quiz recognizes the only true anarchy as Anarcho-Capitalism."--that mike dude.

Yeah...which would be nice if they didn't put a picture of the fucking unabomber as the "famous person" for "the only true anarchy...Anarcho-Capitalism".
He's against the people who initiate force and doesn't consider it anarchy, yet it's what OKCupid considers as an example of "true anarchy"?
*facepalms*
They couldn't have used a picture of, say, Murray Rothbard?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 26, 2010, 08:59:05 PM
"Fuckin' magnets; how do they work?  And I don't wanna talk to a scientist.  Y'all muthafucka's lyin and gettin' me pissed."--ICP
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: valvatica on May 28, 2010, 01:43:40 AM
When I first saw the clip I thought that was the SNL parody. My mind was blown when I found out it wasn't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 28, 2010, 09:46:15 PM
"The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the essence of inhumanity" -George Bernard Shaw, source: this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFSoPcD1wAA)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2010, 10:39:54 AM
"@Surhotchaperchlorome And? That video suffers the same flaw. FlowCell never makes a case for why it is not ethical to act hypocritically nor why neo-lockean property norms must necessarily describe the natural relationship of ones self to material things. In fact, he makes an argument that humans are born with inate 'liberty' and yet he never describes how he knows this, or how such a phenomenon can be observed."--TehBANN3D

*facepalms*
While I wish I could show him the comments of that other video by FlowCell, still...
Man, what IS it with so many anarchists and the concept of liberty?
It's one of the reasons I was so reluctant to call myself one.
I suspect he wasn't paying attention when he "watched" the video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2010, 02:13:30 PM
"no, the nazi policies were pretty free in terms of the economy, but the state had a load of control in all the other sectors."--some idiot commenting on Morrakiu's videos
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2010, 03:29:32 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 29, 2010, 10:39:54 AM
"@Surhotchaperchlorome And? That video suffers the same flaw. FlowCell never makes a case for why it is not ethical to act hypocritically nor why neo-lockean property norms must necessarily describe the natural relationship of ones self to material things. In fact, he makes an argument that humans are born with inate 'liberty' and yet he never describes how he knows this, or how such a phenomenon can be observed."--TehBANN3D

*facepalms*
While I wish I could show him the comments of that other video by FlowCell, still...
Man, what IS it with so many anarchists and the concept of liberty?
It's one of the reasons I was so reluctant to call myself one.
I suspect he wasn't paying attention when he "watched" the video.

Also, I love it when people bitch about a video, "not containing this or that" when the poster only had about half a second left...
PS: before I forget, here's the video I showed him:  [yt]ftd-AiOz_KI[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 29, 2010, 07:52:40 PM
coolvideo28, in the comments to this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj9hG91uOoU):

"I dont belong to a Religion I have a relationship with God."

"Adam was the first on earth so No other "religion" as you would call it came first."

In response to ChaseKittens's question, "If the bible told us the universe is expanding, then why didn't Christianity come forth with such a claim before science?": "It always takes mankind an extreamly long time fo Science to catch up with Gods word because he knows everything."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2010, 02:17:18 PM
Quote@jeepndesert
That is the criticism I've had that no anarcho-capitalist has answered. The mining towns owned by corporations were perfect examples of anarcho-capitalism. These mining towns were essentially a capitalistic version of feudalism. Anarcho-fiefdoms?
I like the ideal of anarchism, but the reality of anarcho-capitalism does seem to be very appealing. How can anarcho-capitalism avoid the failings of the oppressive abuse of power by corporations?
--MarmaladeINFP on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60veZm9ZbyU)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 04, 2010, 03:04:12 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 04, 2010, 02:17:18 PM
Quote@jeepndesert
That is the criticism I've had that no anarcho-capitalist has answered. The mining towns owned by corporations were perfect examples of anarcho-capitalism. These mining towns were essentially a capitalistic version of feudalism. Anarcho-fiefdoms?
I like the ideal of anarchism, but the reality of anarcho-capitalism does seem to be very appealing. How can anarcho-capitalism avoid the failings of the oppressive abuse of power by corporations?
--MarmaladeINFP on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60veZm9ZbyU)

<NORMAN>Illogical! Illogical! All units coordinate!</NORMAN>
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2010, 05:21:39 PM
"STOP BLAMING SOCIALISM FOR THE FAILURES OF CAPITALISM"--source: http://gl-es.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=41491064600&topic=11931

"Typical American way of thinking. I doubt you have any knowledge of political economy outside of the US. That's ok, most Americans are ignorant about the what happens in other countries. Just as long as they are allowed to continue to buy cheap goods from poor countries with prices set in New York you don't have to know about how the free market and neo-liberalism has pushed more people into grinding poverty."--ubercomrade on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14C-H3W03VI)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 04, 2010, 06:52:18 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 04, 2010, 03:04:12 PM
--MarmaladeINFP on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60veZm9ZbyU)


<NORMAN>Illogical! Illogical! All units coordinate!</NORMAN>

Don't tell me, let me guess.  The only reason the corporations got away with what they did was because the state gave them monopolies?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 04, 2010, 07:27:54 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on June 04, 2010, 06:52:18 PM
Don't tell me, let me guess.  The only reason the corporations got away with what they did was because the state gave them monopolies?
Well, yes, and let them use the police and national guard as strike-busters. But it's mostly the fact that you don't even have corporations without the state to begin with!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2010, 07:33:19 PM
"free market economics has very little effect in cost to the consumer."--mrgetrealpeople on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAa6dYBwy7M)

@LordTHawkeye:  As Jacob Spinney explained in this video [yt]WBZCHaKmkeM[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2010, 07:48:57 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on June 04, 2010, 06:52:18 PM
Don't tell me, let me guess.  The only reason the corporations got away with what they did was because the state gave them monopolies?
Even moreso than that.  See 0:54 to 1:40 of this video:  [yt]EeW3QVDaS1k[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 05, 2010, 06:17:03 PM
But I digress.  BACK TO FAIL QUOTES! :D

"ABOUT ME AND MY MISSION:
I want you to know, the crux of my mission is to elevate Progressivism and to define the goals and philosophies we strive for in such as way as to be concise, honest and comprehensive. I firmly believe that it is the best way forward for America and that the majority of Americans are actually socially Progressive and marginally economically conservative.

Our voices are muted by the fact that Progresivism promotes social and economic justice and these two points are anathema to predatory capitalism. I believe in and promote a mixed market economy, one in which private enterprise is encouraged and nurtured to promote innovation and progress but where American Citizens are seen as a family. We pitch in together toward Democratically defined goals and programs and protect our valuable resources both tangible and intangible.

Welcome!"--Frank of "The Frank Factor"; introduction on their website.
The same person/people who made this video: [yt]uzLNc7IZU14[/yt]
Which is ironically the "Featured Video" on Shane's "What is the Free Market?" video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2010, 03:18:22 AM
"Landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed."--Karl Marx
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2010, 08:53:23 PM
"christianity led to the rejection of aristotle and the development of natural science via nominalism which was theologically motivated"--some religious woo commenting on Stefan's latest video
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 11, 2010, 02:55:48 AM
I just watched [yt]bMBS43qn7Kg[/yt] by Jacob Spinney.
In it he asks four questions to socialists/communists (be sure to watch the video first, or the fail-quote to follow won't make much sense).

Stargazer5781 noted that based on conversations he's had with socialists, the questions Jacob asked in his video would be answered like this:
Quote1. People would not take out more than they put in. This is a capitalist mentality. People will take what they need and contribute as much as they can because they will value the community as a whole. If they really don't, then I guess they'd get ostracized from the community.
2. People would vote on how much everyone should work, and everyone would work that much.
3. All labor is equal. The labor of the doctor is equally valuable to the society as the labor of the janitor, and they would receive equal access to community resources.
4. The way it works in Cuba is that if something needs to be done, people volunteer to do it because they want to help each other. This is how unpleasant jobs like trash collection etc. are achieved without capitalism. As far as compensation, they would receive whatever they needed.
The community votes on what it needs ahead of time, and the resources are devoted towards achieving those ends as best as possible. This is actually superior to markets because of the impossibility of economic calculation. In Capitalism, entrepreneurs must guess what consumers desire. In socialism, consumers indicate their desires ahead of time and production is directed to fit those desires. Value is derived from labor, so I don't know what you mean by "contributing value".

Stargazer5781 then continues on with: "...and yes, I actually had a socialist use the economic calculation argument against markets once. I almost fell over out of sheer confusion, disbelief, and hilarity."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 11, 2010, 05:14:01 PM
QuoteAnarchists are libertarian socialists and some libertarian socialists are anarcho-communists, you dumbass.
Anarcho-capitalists are not anarchists since they are authoritarians and right-wing libertarians are not libertarians. They are fucking liberals. Term "libertarian" throughout history always meant anti-authoritarian socialist.
Now take that middle finger and shove it up your ass!
--Grindermetalhead being a fucktard.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 12, 2010, 01:12:09 AM
"Again, look at the anime industry and the issue of pirating. Why do you think people download torrents if they have the "I want it, so I pay for it" mentality?
People will freeload whenever they get the opertunaty. It's just a matter of what opertunaty they get.
I would like to see your source that suggests the NHS is responsible for the defacit. However this is something that will have to be delt with as the wellfare of the patiant should be always come first."

To which I replied: Opportunities such as....being elected to office where you are granted the exclusive, monopolistic right to extract money from the whole populace by force and not only get away with it, be praised for it?
If you're actually worried about free loaders, I think piracy ought to be the least of your concerns.  -_-

I think I'm going to name a new fallacy after this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 12, 2010, 03:19:36 AM
I read that the main concern, for the Japanese publishers at least, is'nt the sales they loose but the fear that they loose their mangaka.
Which I read on an article  here (http://"http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/04/24/publishers-fear-mangaka-not-pirates/").
Also be advised that there are boobies on the site, so mostly NSFW, I think.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 12, 2010, 08:32:23 AM
From what I hear, people who pirate have actually been found to buy MORE than those who don't so his point is even weaker on that front.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 14, 2010, 12:19:01 AM
Ah Rachel Browyn, you keep me in business.

Someone on a forum just had a pregnancy test tell her she was pregnant.  Rachel's reply...word for word was this...

QuoteI'd urge you to think about over-population, how people are destroying the planet and the thousands upon thousands of people who will never be adopted because every time someone gets pregnant, is bullied into carrying the pregnancy to term and has their seed adopted, it denies another potential adoptee already in foster care a home and stable life. Nothing changes for those waiting to be adopted and the planet is further over-populated. Yippee! I do wish people would stop overlooking all the horrific realities of adoption and foster care. Save one child (that never had to be produced but was because...because) and deny another a home – it's the American thing to do! It's not an argument against adoption. It's an option that may be right for you. I'd just appreciate that everyone stop pretending adopting is just peachy and that women really have no excuse to abort because it's available.

I'd also urge you to keep in mind there is no baby present and it has no sense of consciousness and certainly has no ability to suffer physically or psychologically. These are human cells. They are not a human. If your god or anyone else's opposes the termination, I assure you they'll intervene. If not, any just god will understand your reasoning and not damn you for all eternity for making a decision contrary to their desire. The only reason not to terminate a pregnancy is because you don't want to and it's a terrific reason. No one else's desires should have any impact on your decision and, frankly, no one has any business expressing their desires to you regarding what you do with a pregnancy unless you request that information, as those desires may result is guilt or obligation for you, which no one has any business imposing on you. Part of respecting someone's choice is not imposing one's desires on the carrier. I do wish people would do more of it. And I certainly have no investment in you terminating. I just don't think it should be presented as the evil procedure it's considered by the ignorrant masses. It is what it is, just like adoption and we shouldn't pretend either is something it's not.

Heartless as it sounds, I don't care what you do. For your sake and the sake of anyone else impacted, I hope the decision you make is a rational one, not an emotional one or one you're bullied into making. All anyone should be providing you with is facts. Forget feelings and opinions and beliefs. None of those pertain to you or your pregnancy. We all know there are positives and negatives to all the options, and only you can weigh those accurately as they pertain to you and your life. As long as you do what's right for you, I'm thrilled.

I'm incredibly proud of my family for choosing not to reproduce. I haven't a single aunt or cousin or sibling who has. Lots of the women in my family have undergone endometrial ablation in their mid twenties. If they'd all chosen to have kids, I'd be just as happy for them. All I care about is that they make the right decision for themselves.

More importantly though: home pregnancy tests are ridiculous. I always have two lying around because, prior to injecting my contraceptive, I need to be sure I'm not pregnant. Otherwise I could fuck up the foetus which I wouldn't know about until the pregnancy was well underway. I couldn't live with the idea my negligence had disabled a child. Until I've had two consecutive negatives I don't trust the results enough to inject. At best, a couple of positive results are reason to visit the doctor. They mean very little. While the stupid things are advertised as 99+% effective, none of the bazillions of things that can compromise the tests including human error are taken into account. Over 25% of my results are false positives that I use to scare my boyfriend with. "I can't handle anymore!" I got a girlfriend to pee on a bunch while she was pregnant until we got a negative result and it didn't even take two trips to the bathroom. My boyfriend has produced positive results. Just get a blood test and/or an ultrasound and some real answers.

I replied how disturbing it was that her reply was basically "Go green!  Flush your baby!" and got this...

QuoteWell, not having kids is the most environmentally friendly thing to one can do. There's no argument to be had about THAT. I'm just crazy-tired of the dumbass argument that adoption is the best option for everyone as it completely overlooks all the incredibly negative outcomes of producing a child, even if you don't keep it and it ends up with a responsible family. It will still have a negative impact on the planet and the people who are denied adoption because it was produced. That's the reality of adoption that no one is willing to face because they're so busy pretending they're doing the humane thing by not terminating the pregnancy.

The fact it's the only environmentally friendly option doesn't necessarily make it the right option for everyone. I'm not THAT delusional.

And I think you know how profoundly hyperbolic the "Flush your baby" statement you made is. I may not romantacise the topic of reproduction and I'm certainly analytical but I'd never condone or promote the idea of "flushing" something that's fully conscious and has the capacity to suffer physicologically and physically, whether it's in or outside the mother's body. I'm just in favour of people not having kids where ever it's desired, even if that means preventing embryos from becoming kids. Embryo =/= baby.

So, how far can anyone read into this before feeling nauseous?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 14, 2010, 04:55:10 AM
You're right!
That person is clearly crazy. She hasn't thought this one through. What to do with the aborted fetuses.
Think of how many people go hungry every day. We could feed thousands with them instead!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 14, 2010, 04:54:03 PM
"@Morrakiu This comment is bs. Libsocs view property the way you view intellectual property. IP creates artificial monopolies which allow for unjustified profits by creating artificial barriers to entry. Same applies to land property. Since an an-cap society would use violence to protect private property, I could simply reverse your argument."--NoMoreSunsets

Which might actually mean something if actual physical property and "intellectual" property were in any way similar...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 14, 2010, 09:17:35 PM
QuotePardon me but ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? Do you know nothing of the seventh extinction? Do you even read? Books? Articles in science journals? Anything? Overpopulation is the primary factor in the destruction of the planet. How you can say something so profoundly stupid is beyond me.

What's the Seventh Extinction?  Anyone wanna buzz in on that one?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 14, 2010, 10:08:18 PM
An extinction period is a period where the number of species on the Earth drops by 25% or more. The Earth has been through six such extinctions before, the last one occurring near the Pleistocene/Holocene boundary. Some biologists are claiming we're going through one now, and they call it the Seventh Extinction. There is no scientific consensus for it, though.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 14, 2010, 11:35:59 PM
And I gather there's even less evidence that if it did happen, it's all our fault for being selfish and having children right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on June 19, 2010, 01:42:03 PM
Quotedemocratic control cannot be doone by market forces because the rich have too much power. democracy needs equality

first you say true democratic control cannot exist, then it can only exist with market forces

private industry did not create computers, the public sector did.

When you retard libertarians can provide anything other than baseless rhetoric, lemme know

That's xkeltoix from the comments in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLyUeiR7djQ&feature=sub
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 20, 2010, 09:34:44 PM
"The basic point is that the recession of 2001...was a prewar-style recession, a morning after brought on by irrational exuberance. To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that, as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble." --Paul Krugman, "Dubya's Double Dip?", The New York Times 2 August 2002 (He later won the Nobel Prize for Economics in 2008.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 21, 2010, 04:49:20 PM
"Capital is dead labor, which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking living labor, and lives the more, the more labor it sucks."--Karl Marx
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 21, 2010, 10:30:04 PM
"What, exactly is blackmail? Blackmail is the offer of a trade; it is the offer to trade something, usually silence, for some other good, usually money. If the offer of the blackmail trade is accepted, then the blackmailer maintains his silence and the blackmailee pays the agreed amount of money. If the blackmail offer is rejected, then the blackmailer may exercise his right of free speech, and perhaps announce and publicize the secret….

The only difference between a gossip and blabbermouth and the blackmailer is that the blackmailer will refrain from speaking — for a price. In a sense, the gossip or the blabbermouth is much worse than the blackmailer, for the blackmailer at least gives you a chance to shut him up. The blabbermouth and gossip just up and spill the beans. A person with a secret he wants kept will be much better off if a blackmailer rather than a gossip or blabbermouth gets hold of it. With the blabbermouth or gossip, as we have said, all is lost. With the blackmailer, one can only gain, or at worst, be no worse off. If the price required by the blackmailer for his silence is worth less than the secret, the secret-holder will pay off, and accept the lesser of the two evils. He will gain the difference to him between the value of the secret and the price of the blackmailer. It is only in the case that the blackmailer demands more than the secret is worth that the information gets publicized. But in this case the secret-keeper is no worse off with the blackmailer than with the inveterate gossip…. It is indeed difficult, then, to account for the vilification suffered by the blackmailer, at least compared to the gossip who is usually dismissed with merely slight contempt."--source: http://mises.org/daily/2572

Sadly, blackmail, libel and slander are all still initiations of force or fraud.
I also don't like how, in that article, Rothbard seems to conflate negative and positive rights.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 21, 2010, 10:59:26 PM
I think it would probably depend on what the blackmail is about. If it's just about something that's personally embarrassing but otherwise harmless, I can see his point. But not if it rises to the level of a crime.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 21, 2010, 11:30:04 PM
True.

"Sorry ShaneDk, you cant have it both ways. Choose.. no taxes or no fundies. :-P"--Vogter2100, source:  [yt]gh_XgfPkGrU[/yt]

Would it kill him to actually put this as a response to one of Shane's videos?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 22, 2010, 06:34:29 AM
I don't think anyone could Poe someone and be as extreme as Vogter. Could there be ANY better example of a false dichotomy?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 22, 2010, 08:18:33 AM
Either you're with me or you're gonna eat bacon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 27, 2010, 09:09:41 PM
Speaking of Vogter2100;

QuoteWell.. the day a libertarian can change my mind without some evidence of the free markets invsible hand or a religiosu person cna provide evidence for his god or gods, has yet to come. I dont see that coming in the foreseeable future.
--Vogter2100
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 28, 2010, 01:40:20 PM
From some fucktard comment on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF5tAxAmC_M) by Stefan Molyneux:
Quote from: TechnocraticSo? Why is coercion wrong? I disagree with the libertarian notion. If anything, coercion is necessary for morality and an important component of it, given that humans are stimulus response organisms that respond to incentives and punishments. Operant Conditioning.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 30, 2010, 06:06:59 AM
(After being asked for proof that the free market is a "failure") "What? Do I have any "data" aka Bullshit to back it up? No I don't. But if you want eyewitness evidence without all the BS feel free to look me up. Or better yet,...look around." --NBAGOATS, commenting on this video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAa6dYBwy7M)

(Hmmm, who else uses this line of argument?)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 30, 2010, 11:29:15 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 30, 2010, 06:06:59 AM(After being asked for proof that the free market is a "failure") "What? Do I have any "data" aka Bullshit to back it up? No I don't. But if you want eyewitness evidence without all the BS feel free to look me up. Or better yet,...look around." --NBAGOATS, commenting on this video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAa6dYBwy7M)

(Hmmm, who else uses this line of argument?)
Yeah, when I first read that, I died a little on the inside.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 30, 2010, 10:03:12 PM
Update again on Saur's "debt is good" thesis.

As you recall, he began with this gem

QuoteIt's testament to how little you understand of macroeconomics and... well, mathematics, that you can believe any part of this. Numbers *do* lie, all the time, because they're badly sourced, and debt can continue to grow so long as potential value grows at the same pace. Which it probably does, in long term trends. little stock market crashes and depressions happen all the time, but on the whole, the world economy keeps getting worth more and more, and debt continues to increase alongside it. That's how a capitalist market creates momentum and profitable ventures. Debt will ALWAYS increase, it's actually a sign of a healthy economy. Of course, there are bits of debt that are rather bad, but on the whole, saying the economy is terrible because it's in debt shows an utter lack of knowledge about how capitalism works on a grand scale.

And then this

QuoteNo, because of what I outlined. Listen.

Man has $100. He wants to start a business. He borrows $500 (what the bank will allow based on his existing money), and starts the business. He uses the venture capital to generate profits, paying his debts. He's now worth $600. He could just sit there and continue to make a bit of money, but why do that? he can now borrow 6 times that amount from the bank, so he borrows $3000, and invests it in the same way, growing his business to the point where it can efficiently pay off his debts. He makes the 3000 dollars back. He's now worth 3000 dollars, and why not just keep going? he can now borrow $15000. He is now 30 times more in debt than he was when he first borrowed, but the debt is sustainable because he is worth more. Read my post, I said that

"the world economy keeps getting worth more and more, and debt continues to increase alongside it. That's how a capitalist market creates momentum and profitable ventures. Debt will ALWAYS increase, it's actually a sign of a healthy economy"

I hope this makes more sense with the given example.

When he took offense again at me saying his knowledge of economics is embarrassing, out came this one...

QuoteMisrepresentation as usual.

If you have X dollars you can support 2X dollars debt.

If you have 1 you can support 2
if you have 10 you can support 20
if you have 100 you can support 200

So forth infinitely. So yes, you can 'jack up debt infinitely' but only if your actual capital against which you're borrowing increases in proportion*


* actual proportion may be different to 2-1, depending on productivity and stability.

No, you cannot just increase debt infinitely without increasing your own value at a similar rate. If you have issues with this logic, please explain them.

Just stop trying, seriously...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 01, 2010, 05:56:03 AM
Ask him what the mechanism is that allows debt to magically create capital.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 03, 2010, 02:02:46 PM
"Too Smart For Science: Has the author ever heard of Piltdown Man? Climategate? No doubt he or she would decry any studies to the contrary of the IPCC's as "Funded by Big Oil interests", and yet somehow thinks research grants, fame and government protected positions are not sufficient motivations (let alone the incentives for their backers..) for climate scientists to falsify data, exaggerate or simply lie."--Praetyre here (http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/17927.aspx?PageIndex=1)

Yeah, I would have forgiven him had he not made himself out to be stupid by mentioning Piltdown Man.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 03, 2010, 02:40:21 PM
Link him to my video on Piltdown Man and Potholer54's videos on ClimateGate.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 03, 2010, 02:44:05 PM
I'm considering it.
Here's hoping they don't dismiss you and potholer54 as "too dumb" "too gullible", etc, like the last time I tried doing that.
I think I will though.

Depending on the responses I get, you may end up seeing more from him and others on this thread. ;)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 03, 2010, 03:26:17 PM
Alright...after 30 minutes of fucking fiddling, I finally just gave up and posted the links with a non-formatted quote.
The reason?
Because for some reason, every
single
time
I tried to do a quote the way I did before (and would work), it wouldn't show up in my post.
WTF?
That's another reason I rarely (if ever) post there.
That forum is about as user friendly as Ikea Furniture with the directions written in Mandarin Chinese.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 03, 2010, 03:40:37 PM
Yes, but the furniture looks much more interesting that way when you're finished putting it together.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 05, 2010, 07:49:06 PM
More fun from Saur.  For fun, I sent him Stefan Molyneux's podcast on how academia basically entraps intellectuals by making them have to invest massive amounts of money and time so that they'll be too afraid to dissent lest their investment be for naught.  I got this...

Quotepodcast is a bit rich. The livestock analogy is bunk as livestock have no effort reward as we do even if I concede the society is utterly statist. If they produce more milk, they get no benefit, nor even if they did would they be aware of it. This changes the dynamics of the game fundamentally and renders the analogy extremely weak.
   
    As to how societies control dissenters, yup, pretty much dead on. Of course, the control isn't ironclad and the system still evolves purely because there are, as he says, the poor, the rich, the old and the young who have less vested interest- and even those who are so vital to the society's running that the cost of them speaking up is less than that of getting rid of them. However, I disagree with his complaints that nothing comes of formal academia, as much as I'm inclined to be sympathetic. This might be more true now than it ever was, but formal academia has been a cornerstone of technological advancement and, until fairly recently, social advancement as well through the study of economics before it became widely known. For every Eddison, Franklin and Ghandi there has been a Newton or a Smith or an Einstein. Those who come up with the theoretical basis for improvement almost always hail from formal academia, even if they did not need to- Einstein didn't *need* to become a professor to publish and develop his ideas, but he chose to become one when they were accepted.
   
    For all its strictures and regulations, academia *does* recognize good ideas when they come along. It might be hard for you to understand, but the problem is, there have just been so many that what seems like a good idea to you, has probably been had- and published- and debated- and often debunked, many times before. Anything genuinely new and solid that someone dreams up will get integrated, regardless of barriers.
   
    That's all I can say, take what you will. I'm not really interested in debating with you unless you can show you're willing to be more polite than in the past.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 05, 2010, 08:05:23 PM
I shared my thoughts on it in an AIM convo with him.
My conclusion:  Saur is a pompous windbag with a severe case of Unwarranted Self Importance.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 06, 2010, 08:32:02 AM
He's not an orc by any chance?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on July 13, 2010, 05:14:43 AM
Quote
Quote from: JD_Method;1447368The world would be better off without money.

Quote from: cazzer;1447374It wouldn't think it through.
Currency helps maintain a structured society. When it gets out of control and hyperinflation comes about yes that is bad. But if there was no money and everything was free, people would most probably annex certain stocks of items. And end up selling them off. Hence re-building another society.

Quote from: JD_Method;1447376Couldn't sell them because there would be no currency to buy them with. And if someone takes a lot, just make more. :)

This has to be the dumbest shit I have seen in some time.

I posted Shane's video about money, so I hope he puts his brain back on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 13, 2010, 08:30:52 AM
Quote from: VectorM on July 13, 2010, 05:14:43 AM


This has to be the dumbest shit I have seen in some time.

I posted Shane's video about money, so I hope he puts his brain back on.

Obviously JD doesn't appreciate money, unlike some other people I know.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 13, 2010, 09:10:26 AM
Quote from: VectorM on July 13, 2010, 05:14:43 AMThis has to be the dumbest shit I have seen in some time.

I posted Shane's video about money, so I hope he puts his brain back on.

What I usually do with people like that when I'm talking one-on-one is ask them questions about how they would make the system fair and equitable. They go different paths, but end up in the same basic place as I point out problem after problem and they modify their system of equity to solve them.

When it's over, I say to them, "Congratulations--you just invented money!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 13, 2010, 12:43:09 PM
I do a similar thing with so called "anarcho-socialists"

When they talk about distributing wealth fairly, I ask them "So if someone ends up having...'too much', how do you fix that?"

When they say who's going to have the authority to take the money, by force if needed, I say "Congratulations, you now have a government."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2010, 01:49:38 PM
In this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paylYrdEIeE)
I saw the following comment posted by Libertarianist:
QuoteWhile I do agree that foreign occupation is definitely the wrong way and provokes most of the violence committed against us, and that the Jeffersonian approach would work much better. I don't think this would result in terrorism stopping entirely. You CAN'T stop terrorism.

Some of the violence is senseless. Perpetrated by radical muslims who are motivated merely because they feel commanded by their book to punish the infidels.

To which I responded with:  "How much Muslim terrorism in on the books before we starting meddling in their affairs?"

To which he fail-quote responded with:
Quote@Surhotchaperchlorome  Your sentiment is post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Muslims have always been in conflict with neighboring infidel societies.
The shift in US foreign policy resulting in occupation of muslim countries coincides with technological developments that both exposed western culture to xenophobic muslim extremist and provided them with affordable means of travel.

And muslim extremists don't just attack invading countries. Remember the violence in Denmark over that cartoon?

So how many fallacies and other forms of bullshit can you spot in both of Libertarianist's comments (both of which are the fail quotes)?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 18, 2010, 03:11:49 PM
How about just ignorance of history?

The Barbary pirates WERE Muslim extremists. So how come we didn't hear anything from them from the end of that episode throughout the period when we had a humble foreign policy, only to see a resurgence when we started meddling over there again?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2010, 04:42:05 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 18, 2010, 03:11:49 PMHow about just ignorance of history?

The Barbary pirates WERE Muslim extremists. So how come we didn't hear anything from them from the end of that episode throughout the period when we had a humble foreign policy, only to see a resurgence when we started meddling over there again?

True, but I was a bit irked that he called me question, "post hoc ergo propter hoc".
Does he even know what that means?
His point about the Danish cartoonists is kinda lame.  Last time I checked, Denmark has soldiers in those parts too.
So red herring + ignorance.

I got a reply from Akatam0t0ma which read: "@Surhotchaperchlorome:
Pretty much since Islam started. Starting from the 3rd decade of the 7th century, going through Muslim occupation of North Africa, India, part of Spain, later Anatolia and continues to this very day, even if the tactics changed."

OK, I'll admit I should have worded my question better to regard Muslim terrorism in the USA, but still...
I don't know that much about history, myself, so I'm a bit iffy on his response.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 18, 2010, 05:51:37 PM
So, he doesn't even know that until about the 12th Century, the Muslim world was the seat of all scientific learning. People--including Christians and Doubters (their word for atheists)--came to Baghdad to exchange knowledge and learn from each other.

This is why most of the visible stars have Arab names (like Aldebaran and Betelgeuse), why we use Arabic numerals, and why so many of our scientific and mathematical words have Arab roots (algebra, algorithm, etc.).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2010, 06:13:49 PM
So what Akatam0t0ma says is bs?

Even the equivalent of atheists came there for knowledge? Dang!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 27, 2010, 11:52:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4G-_Ch9YpE

Aw!  That's cute!  He thinks copying me will make him as awesome as I am.  ^^
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 30, 2010, 02:53:16 AM
And speaking of him,

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I haven't watched this, but I get the impression it will reek of cherry picking, strawmen, and other forms of butthurt.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 30, 2010, 06:02:42 AM
Just look at the comments, is all you need to do. They're filled with every dogmatist I've ever pwned.

Like, going after me saying that Texaco and Gulf didn't exist in 1890...Geez, like in 500 characters you can be specific enough to say "the businessmen that went on to found Texaco and Gulf." One cheap, lame excuse after another--and no response to the substance, which was all of the protectionism that was going on at the time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 30, 2010, 05:23:40 PM
No surprise there...

Another fail quote video:
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This guy is an idiot anyways...
Is he not aware of the 20,000+ gun control laws already on the books in the USA?

Be sure and check out OtherJacobSpinney's video response to him; that's how I found Onision's video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 03, 2010, 05:38:25 PM
In red will be the fails, in blue the not-fails.

cx0r: "Maybe if this sinner baby would take part in Christ's ministry instead of wading in his own piss and feces then God would have more mercy on him. The fact is, babys aren't immune to God's wrath, ever heard of SIDS? That is the punishment for unrepentant infants, and you'd be wise to bring your baby into the light of Christ before God becomes impatient with his impetuous hedonism."

TheThinkingAtheist: "@cx0r You're shittin' me."

cx0r: "@TheThinkingAtheist Am I? A baby is the very embodiment of sin manifested in a form so conveniently tailored for acceptance by a fallen people that its existence is nothing short of empirical proof that Satan rules this world. Sloth, Gluttony, Greed, Wrath, Envy all wrapped up in a little package that we pretend is immune to God's judgment. God does not see our age, he sees our hearts, and that baby's heart is full of self serving indulgence. At the very least, a baptism is in order."

TheThinkingAtheist: "@cx0r I can only hope you have no children of your own."

The source: the top four user comments on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rwioe1SGkQ)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 06, 2010, 03:41:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=cFMhMnNZ2YA
Scroll down near the bottom for some fail-gold from Houshalter.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 06, 2010, 03:56:13 PM
See, that's why we can't have nice things here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 07, 2010, 07:18:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX7OqeouQaU&feature=sub

Oh where do I even start...

Added my own video reply since I felt it prudent.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bboqH5u6bo
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 07, 2010, 07:50:17 PM
Well, he does have a point.
After all we all know that two wrongs make a right.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 10, 2010, 12:40:42 AM
NoMoreSunsets: "# 12: Pretending that only libertarians use logic when in fact, just about every single school of thought premises their beliefs on it.

# 13: Acting like economics can only be understood a priori but then turning around and using empirical evidence when it helps their arguments.

# 14: Reduce human action to a strict form of behaviorism where people are nothing more than rodents in a cage who press a lever for a treat.

# 15: Pretend that utility is the same things as happiness."

billburns2:  "@NoMoreSunsets

#16: Thinking that just by telling everyone you use logical deduction somehow absolves you from actually having to use it.

#17: Thinking that Libertarians invented outrage over government waste and mismanagement. Nobody else thinks they are bad or works to stop them or even knows they exist."

Source:  [yt]zrZors9Y3Bk[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2010, 03:12:19 AM
"It has become fashionable to say that the republican and democrat party are equally statist, but
that is not true. The deficits Bush ran pale in comparison to Obama's deficits, and the republican
party, in terms of total spending, is not as statist as the democrat party, and it's visually obvious.
And this makes sense theoretically: the GOP is the party of big business. And so they want big
government to help the rent-seeking corporations, and in the past it was them vs. the
libertarians. The GOP views the state as a means to an end: the enrichment of corporations. The
democrats view the state as the enabler of positive change in itself." -Fringeelements, "For an Emergent Governance", page 159.

Time sensitive cherry picking bullshit.
At their time, the Bush deficits were the biggest.
At their time, the Reagan deficits were the biggest.
At their time, the Obama deficits are now the biggest.

Wait 4 - 8 years.
Regardless of who gets elected, that president will have the biggest deficit of his time, setting new records, like damn near ever other president we've had.

Also:  http://mises.org/daily/895 ("Republicans and Big Government" by James Ostrowski)

And let's not even get started on Lincoln.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2010, 03:17:05 AM
"And so the prime opponent today of the movement are the socialists. Now if you believe there are
no socialists, lets take a look at the 10 planks of the communist manifesto:
1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.
The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property
taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
The 16th amendment, The Social Security Act of 1936" -Fringeelements, "For an Emergent Governance", page 159. (Emphasis added by me)

Hoo boy, more of this "Red Amendment crap"
This is the third or fourth time I've seen people bring up the 14th amendment as socialist.
Ever single time, they never provide any evidence for the claim, they merely assert it.

As for the Social Security Act of 1936, correct me if I'm wrong, but was that also a flat tax when it started?
Also, last time I checked, it takes money from those who are still working and young, and gives it to the state, and to some old people --the wealthiest demo-graph by age.
Those things may have been different then for the SS Act of 1936, but then why did he use the word today like that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 11, 2010, 06:49:02 AM
It still is flat (albeit at 15+%), and regressive to boot since you stop paying it once you make over something like $80k/year.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 11, 2010, 09:28:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE9PkClweJc&feature=sub    More reasons why state unions make me ill.

I mean it's not rocket science!  If I'm dying and there's some med that might save me or might not, shouldn't I be allowed to take that risk?  I mean, it IS my life in case that slipped everyone's minds!  -_-
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 11, 2010, 10:03:48 AM
Where did you get that idea? It's not YOUR life, it's the state's life! Now, don't you have some genuflecting to do?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2010, 02:47:43 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 11, 2010, 09:28:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE9PkClweJc&feature=sub    More reasons why state unions make me ill.

I mean it's not rocket science!  If I'm dying and there's some med that might save me or might not, shouldn't I be allowed to take that risk?  I mean, it IS my life in case that slipped everyone's minds!  -_-

Who else felt like vomiting because of the union workers by the end of that video?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 11, 2010, 02:52:47 PM
I felt like vomiting ON the union workers. Is that close enough?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2010, 02:59:13 PM
That's even better.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 12, 2010, 09:32:33 PM
"Capitalism: Known True Evil
1.4 Billion Murdered
Total Killed by Capitalism: 1,439,656,267"--WorkersControl in the comments section, confusing corporatism and imperialism for a matrix of free exchange (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtOtV-gE3YQ)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 13, 2010, 03:34:21 AM
"We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail." --President George W. Bush

"Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born."--Ronald Reagan

"Governor, why wouldn't anyone want to say the Pledge of Allegiance, unless they detested their own country or were ignorant of its greatness?"--Sean Hannity

"A man who won't die for something is not fit to live."--Martin Luther King Jr.

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it.  He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."--Martin Luther King Jr.

"Humans were meant to work and sweat for their money after all. Those that try to get rich quick or live at the expense of others all get divine retribution along the way."--Jet Black

"The thing about fairy tales is... There's always some truth to 'em"--Quent Yaiden

"Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's first law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only truth."--Alphonse Elric
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 14, 2010, 02:25:55 AM
"We [El Salvadorians] call him William Shakespeare.

We [El Salvadorians] respect names a good 98% of the time....

Not like you [Americans] calling the ITALIAN-SPANIARD Cristobal Colón, (note where the accent goes) to CHRISTOPHER COLOMBUS"--Some collectivist dipshit who has never heard of methodological individualism
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 15, 2010, 06:47:51 PM
http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/34219545/#comments  I got a war supporter on my journal.

I really hate this ridiculous "if you can't find a solution, then mine flies even if it's really a step backwards that just makes it worse" thought pattern.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 16, 2010, 08:28:58 PM
Friend-of-a-friend on Facebook: Made me think that God knew what he was doing when he asked the Jewish males to be circumicised.

Me: So, does that mean he DIDN'T know what he was doing when he created the foreskin in the first place?

FoF: Shane a nice two fold plan. An outer sign that also promoted cleanliness.

I don't even know how to respond to that...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 16, 2010, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 16, 2010, 08:28:58 PMFoF: Shane a nice two fold plan. An outer sign that also promoted cleanliness.

I don't even know how to respond to that...

I can't even PARSE that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 17, 2010, 07:02:51 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 16, 2010, 10:05:51 PM
I can't even PARSE that.

Nor I.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 17, 2010, 09:33:00 AM
How about "Bullshit" ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 20, 2010, 04:09:31 PM
"0:40 Hold the phone. Libertarians are NOT consistent on abortion at all. Like capital punishment, there's no clear cut position that libertarians take."--Libertarianist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuBX3TaRi2o)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 20, 2010, 10:19:47 PM
This is a message a friend of mine got on youtube.  I'll let it speak for itself.

Challenge: How far can you get without laughing?

QuoteWraith you dont know me but this is importent Hello Wraith, charmed to speak with you.
    I'll have you know that I am an Anonymous, a Faction of Trolls we are quite organized. And I could not help but noticed you subbed to two anti-religion channels (ignorant atheist spreading hate on religions, mostly catholic) Why is this important in anyway you may ask, well my "boss" (yes we have ranks) has zero tolerance for anti-religion videos, and you are a quite popular bloke with the Furries, A faction on the internet we Anonymous do not coexist with well. My boss would not enjoy seeing a guy popular with furries starting his own anti religion videos, it could lead to a troll raid.
   
    But I don't think you will make such videos even if I did not talk to you. You seem to be a nice bloke I would hate to have my Anonymous brethren put a bad name out on MSFH. That's why I'm warning you, just in case. Also does your girlfriend like those anti-religion videos as well? Oh how terribly sorry of me, thats none of my business...or is it...
    Anyway if your wondering "Is he supposed to be telling me this?" Your answer is, no I'm not, I'm actually breaking a important Anonymous law right now warning you to not do something that could lead to a troll raid, Why? Well Anonymous love a good raid and they would be pissed at me if they somehow found out I prevented one.
    Your girlfriend, I can just tell by art style of her artwork that she would never seek out to spread hate towards someone or some belief, but that's just my guess.
    You two have been stamped by Anonymous as "Not a large threat" for a very long time and you still are, unless you make an anti religion video, that could put you in the hot seat (also other things could as well, as if you want to know) , but like I said I don't think you would make such a video but! I'm breaking an Anonymous law for you guys to be on the safe side.
    So! Any questions? I can answer them....well some anyway I wont tell you everything I know, I'm still somewhat loyal to Anonymous. Also are trolls who claim to be Anonymous giving you a hard time? I could divert them.
    As I said I would hate for Anonymous to put a bad name on all you work for.
    Believe it or not some Anonymous have souls like myself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 20, 2010, 10:28:28 PM
Not really laughing; sounds like a typical 4channer to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 20, 2010, 11:07:41 PM
I read a few sentences in and said "This guy watches WAY too many mafia movies."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 20, 2010, 11:09:36 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 20, 2010, 10:28:28 PMNot really laughing; sounds like a typical 4channer to me.
I think you mean "\b\tard".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 20, 2010, 11:19:19 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 20, 2010, 11:07:41 PM
I read a few sentences in and said "This guy watches WAY too many mafia movies."
Oh no!
Now whenever I read that fail quote, I keep picturing being read in a really really bad Italian accent.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 22, 2010, 02:08:40 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 23, 2010, 01:54:09 AM
QuoteI have to agree with you on that one. "The People" are usually responsible for more fuck ups than the government itself.

No words.  No words at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 23, 2010, 02:42:25 AM
Oh yeah?

Who's the bigger fuck up? The fuck up or the fuck up who let's him stay in power?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 23, 2010, 07:02:26 AM
The thing is, when people fuck up, they usually just fuck themselves. When government fucks up, they fuck up everyone else.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 27, 2010, 11:05:22 PM
wizkid2000 has his lucid moments.
This post isn't about those:

QuoteFor someone who loves philosophy, you seem to subscribe to some form of scientism. It's amazing how you don't understand how flawed this is."
--wizkid2000 to Stefan on this video:  http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=rfsgCep9INQ
Cue ICP's Miracles:  [yt]_-agl0pOQfs[/yt]

Quote@gradiu3rox

Science is not the only or final arbiter of truth. For example a priori knowledge is true and not scientific. Anyone who understands basic philosophy knows that that god is metaphysical claim that can not be addressed by science.
--wizkid2000 to Stefan on this video:  http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=rfsgCep9INQ
A claim that is meaningless without the real world (scientific) empirical evidence supporting the Austrian School.
Same question as to the anti-Austrians.
If the Austrian School's use of Praxeology is NOT scientific/empirical, how/why did it PREdict all the boom/bust cycles since and including the Great Depression, including the one going on right now?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 27, 2010, 11:15:44 PM
Found some more.
Disclaimer:  I didn't watch the video below (and I'm not going to), so I don't know if it contains anything that would violate your forum's rules, just so you know.

"Here's the problem: all of the people who understand anything about the subject recognize that evolution didn't stop at the neck.

He wants you to cite creationist hacks like Tim Wise, Gould or Flynn.

It just amazes me how people will deny something that is so obviously true. They've fallen for the 'culture', 'education' and 'privilege' mysticism."--Fringeelements,
comment on this video:  [yt]vLs2fXGOYGc[/yt] (posted so you can see his comment in the proper context)

After seeing him refer to Stephen Jay Gould as a "creationist hack" I simply HAD to post that as a fail quote.
It simply amazes me how anti-science so many Anti-statists can be.
Also, both of the videos above, are also fail quotes.
Enjoy. :3
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 28, 2010, 06:43:24 AM
And since when is Tim Wise a creationist?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 28, 2010, 08:37:48 AM
And Gould?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 28, 2010, 11:43:57 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 20, 2010, 10:28:28 PM
Not really laughing; sounds like a typical 4channer to me.
In stark contrast to how cracked.com portrays them: http://www.cracked.com/funny-1143-4chan/
Damn, I couldn't get through that.  It was scary, yet, I wouldn't be surprised if (knowing cracked.com ) that is cherry picked, or worse...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 31, 2010, 01:01:31 PM
How many times have we heard THIS one:
"@Surhotchaperchlorome That [Non-interventionist Foreign Policy] is how Hitler came to power. We wanted to stay out of europe's problems. I'm not saying your thinking is wrong, but we can't just stay out of things. We need a foreign policy that improves our image to the people of other countries, not just their leaders."--Pharaoh481 (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=Ww2sASZSh24)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 31, 2010, 01:23:08 PM
Please, not while I'm drinking! Tea came out my nose...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 31, 2010, 03:29:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bboqH5u6bo  I got two annoying ones on mine.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 31, 2010, 05:36:12 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 31, 2010, 03:29:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bboqH5u6bo  I got two annoying ones on mine.
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that "johnny" talks about you making up history, and yet I've not seen a single source in any of his posts?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 01, 2010, 01:01:14 AM
And speaking of Major bullshit, I've been meaning to post this from MaoistRebelNews2's profile description:

QuoteCapitalism: Known True Evil
1.4 Billion Murdered

Second Boer War 75,000
Japanese Massacre of Singapore 100,000
Burma-Siam Railroad Construction 116,000
Japanese Germ Warfare in China 200,000
Rebelling Shia Killed by Saddam 300,000
US Bombing of Yugoslavia 300,000
US Bombing Iraq Water Supply '91 500,000
US Civil War 700,000
Iraq-Iran War 1,000,000
US sanctions on Iraq 1,000,000
US Backed Suharto 1,200,000
Irish Potato Famine 1,500,000
Japanese Democides 5,964,000
Famine of 1932-33 7,000,000
Bengal Famine of 1943 10,000,000
Famine in British India 30,000,000
US Intervention in the Congo 5,000,000
Hurricane Katrina 1,836
Indonesian Anti-Com. Purge 500,000
Stateless Capitalist Somalia 1,000,000
Industrial Revolution USA 100,000
1898 US War vs Philippine 3,000,000
Palestinians Killed by Israel 826,626
Guatemala 300,000
Nanking Massacre 300,000
Iraq (Selling Gas to Saddam) 400,000
Iraq (Desert Storm) 500,000
Invasion of the Philippines 650,000
Feudal Russia 1,066,000
Afghanistan 1,200,000
Iraq 1,300,000
Khmer Rouge 2,035,000
South African Apartheid 3,500,000
Nazi Holocaust 12,000,000
US Aggression on Latin America 6,000,000
Japanese Imperialism 6,000,000
Pol Pot (CIA Puppet) 7,100,000
Vietnam War - including Cambodia & Laos 10,000,000
Korean War 10,000,000
British Occupation of India 10,000,000
Great Depression (America alone) 12,000,000
World War One 16,500,000
World War Two 60,000,000
Native American Genocide 95,000,000
Capitalist Policy in India 1947 - 1990 120,000,000
African Slave Trade 150,000,000

Children Killed by Hunger Since 9/11 235,000,000
Children Killed by Hunger during the 1990s 100,000,000
Ciggarette Related Deaths Worldwide (1960 - 2010) 300,000,000

Total Killed by Capitalism: 1,439,656,267

Yes, he actually blames wars of first strike aggression funded via taxation (force initiated via the state) and people who smoke (drug related stuff) on exchange absent the initiation of force.

Regarding the last three...I don't even know where to begin with those...
Is he really that damn deluded?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 01, 2010, 06:51:39 AM
I'm surprised he came up with such a low number.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 01, 2010, 08:52:02 AM
QuoteYes, he actually blames wars of first strike aggression funded via taxation (force initiated via the state) and people who smoke (drug related stuff) on exchange absent the initiation of force.

Yeah, tis the usual idiocy of failing to understand the difference between the gun and the handshake.  "Rape = lovemaking, therefore sex is evil"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 03, 2010, 01:25:51 PM
"'Simply put, this is a question for science, not philosophy.'

Science is a branch of philosophy. That's like saying 'this is about apples, not about fruit'."--somecomputergeek in this video's comment section (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=G3UYZcwUEfw)

Three words: Pedantic equivocation fallacy.
It should have been blatant based on the mere differentiation between them that I was referring to Natural Philosophy (Science) vs. Non Natural Philosophy ("Philosophy" aka Bullshit).

Something Stefan and his followers don't seem to understand is that English is not the perfectly-precise or perfectly logical spiel he makes it out to be.
While I disagree with XOmniverse on his thoughts about Molyneux's UPB (I think it's pretty good; what I've read of it so far), and his points about Psychology (crap; citations needed, bro) I *do* agree with his thoughts on Stef's personality.

I've heard many of Stef's arguments against determinism and they are unconvincing strawmen at best...
As I said, this is a question for science, not philosophy.
Google "Quantum Mechanics" and see just how deterministic this universe really is...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 03, 2010, 04:35:10 PM
[yt]G3UYZcwUEfw[/yt]

The above video is also a fail quote.
Reasons: condescending attitude when not warranted, almost nonstop mischaracterizations and butcherings of determinism and weak philosophical arguments against determinism for free will when scientific ones are what is warranted.
And this is from a guy who thinks determinism is nonsense and free will is a fact...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 04, 2010, 07:13:39 PM
Seemed fine to me.  If I have no free will, then why try to debate me about the subject?  It doesn't make any sense.

I view it like nihilism, a "Fashion philosophy."  Just an edgy label people like to stamp on themselves without actually changing one whit about their life or world view.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 04, 2010, 07:19:19 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on September 04, 2010, 07:13:39 PM
Seemed fine to me.  If I have no free will, then why try to debate me about the subject?  It doesn't make any sense.
THAT doesn't make any sense...

QuoteI view it like nihilism, a "Fashion philosophy."  Just an edgy label people like to stamp on themselves without actually changing one whit about their life or world view.
I fail to see the connection.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 04, 2010, 07:39:40 PM
Honestly Stef's 'arguments' were the determinist equivalent of this (wait until she gets to the Free Will vs. Determinist stuff):

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A conversation between me, Shane and a determinist (not a fail quote) -
Shane: "The brain is an electrochemical computer. It operates with the movement of electrons and photons, which are subject to quantum mechanics. Your causal chain doesn't apply to the quantum level; quantum particles are probabilistic, not deterministic. When these particles make larger structures, the probabilities converge on either 0 or 100%, giving the illusion of determinism, but that's not what's really going on."

Me: "@shanedk Not to mention that free will advocates don't think that things don't have causes..." (Spoilers)

Shane: "@Surhotchaperchlorome  Yeah, as if free will means you don't consider the current state of things when making a decision or something. I really wonder what these people think free will means?"

sidewaysfcs0718 (the determinist): "@shanedk so its randomness then ....i see no free will.....

by the way ....the brain's functionality isnt based on the quantum nature of electrons and photons ...neurons send electrical impulses to teachother ..thoose impulses arent randomly timed ...the only thing random there is the simple movement of the current between neurons ...wich doesnt affect the impulse being trasmitted.

fail."

Shane: "@sidewaysfcs0718 NO IT IS NOT RANDOMNESS! Read my post again! Being probabilistic does NOT make it random! If it's random, then by definition all outcomes are equally likely and normalized over time. That is NOT the case with quantum mechanics.

It's ridiculous and arrogant that people are assuming that our human experience of a deterministic universe is the way things really are and QM is an illusion, when all of the data show it's really the other way around."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 04, 2010, 09:30:19 PM
Fail quote:
[yt]7yDjDZl1tJo[/yt]

What more needs to be said?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 05, 2010, 11:21:53 AM
"@Surhotchaperchlorome  show me evidence that airplanes took those building down. better yet, prove to me the US isn't a worldwide bully, a pack of liars, and unworthy of trust in any situation."--hollaboutit, in response to me saying that ThetaOmega's video about debating creationists applies to 9/11 truthtards as well. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VVqL9etvU0)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 05, 2010, 11:06:21 PM
[yt]lKzR3ozQnss[/yt]

"...raising taxes is not socialist, it is WHY you raise taxes that can make it socialism."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 06, 2010, 08:23:20 PM
I don't remember if I've posted this here or not.  It's even stupider than the above video, and thus, is a fail quote:

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I've already gone into great detail into why his video is complete BS, (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=500.0) so I won't go into that here.

I suppose I should have expected this level of scientific illiteracy, special pleading, conspiracy mongering, intellectual arrogance and general/outright stupidity from someone who's both an anti-vaccination nutter (see FlowCell's 11 minute video about thunderf00t for source) and a 9/11 truther (see his comments left on JacobSpinney's recent videos on 9/11).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 07, 2010, 11:05:15 PM
[yt]0esUFZcMtdA[/yt]

Gotta love this.
How cute, the poster is trying to be intelligent. XD
This was found in the favorites of a Venus Project Nutter idiot called "voiceofreason467".
Adding even more proof to the notion that if a person labels themselves a certain way through their username, it's bullshit. :3
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2010, 09:59:03 AM
"@DarkMatter2525

Wars aren't free. Safety, security, and freedom isn't free. Teapartyers are not war hawks, however they may understand its purpose. They dont want to let ruthless dictators and tyrants cause peril and death to millions - maybe you do. They actually care about the world. Imagine if the Allies decided to go to war before 1939; way back when Germany 1st violated the Treaty of Versailles. Who knows - - maybe they would have stopped Hitler BEFORE HE KILLED 6 MILLION INNOCENT JEWS."--OddRobb's comment on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgN9wFNOV_g)

Honestly, what is it with people thinking that Hitler just came out of nowhere and/or from our inaction?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2010, 01:34:57 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 07, 2010, 11:05:15 PM
[yt]0esUFZcMtdA[/yt]

Gotta love this.
How cute, the poster is trying to be intelligent. XD
This was found in the favorites of a Venus Project Nutter idiot called "voiceofreason467".
Adding even more proof to the notion that if a person labels themselves a certain way through their username, it's bullshit. :3
Also, I find their points about the coincidences to be kinda lame.
What's the proper response to those?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2010, 01:35:55 PM
And the video the above was a response to:  [yt]VKFiGfW6aGY [/yt]

Also a fail quote I would imagine.
Yeah...references to peer reviewed scientific literature, please.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 14, 2010, 09:37:45 PM
I was going to post something and give it a source, but, I found a youtube profile page so full of bogons I figured I'd just post his youtube profile page and let anyone who wants click away and look at the horrors within:  http://www.youtube.com/lilhavanaboys
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 14, 2010, 09:43:47 PM
Friend-of-a-friend on Facebook: I think it has something to do with introducing the vaccine to the immune system before it's formed and ready to fight. Whether it's trace amounts of mercury, aluminum, adjuvant, "killed viruses," whatever in hell else they put in there, something seems to be overwhelming children's' abilities to thrive. There are a lot more autistic children these days, and their symptoms do look a lot like some sort of heavy metal poisoning. There is something going on here with vaccines, and we aren't being told the truth because there is SO much money involved.

Me: "There are a lot more autistic children these days" No, there aren't. More of them are being DIAGNOSED, because of increased awareness and a greater number of disorders included in the autism spectrum, but epistemological studies show the rate of autism is steady, and has been for a long time.

And I'm sorry, but the money argument makes NO sense. It's less than 2% of the sales of pharmaceuticals, and doctors make very little money from them--certainly a lot less than they'd make treating the diseases they are KNOWN (yes, KNOWN) to prevent.

FoF: Ok, Shane, you are right, there are no autistic children, and vaccines do not make any money for Big Pharma.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 15, 2010, 02:41:15 AM
I am very disapoint.
That reply was lackluster at best. I would've added something terribly flippant at the end like "And the great pink unicorn will rain candy and rainbows down on us all. Yipeee and sparkles!" at the very least.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on September 15, 2010, 09:42:42 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 14, 2010, 09:37:45 PM
I was going to post something and give it a source, but, I found a youtube profile page so full of bogons I figured I'd just post his youtube profile page and let anyone who wants click away and look at the horrors within:  http://www.youtube.com/lilhavanaboys

He is 15, so he has plenty of time to get his brain back on track. I believed in God only 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 15, 2010, 10:07:52 AM
Quote from: VectorM on September 15, 2010, 09:42:42 AM
He is 15, so he has plenty of time to get his brain back on track. I believed in God only 3 year ago.
Honestly, that's about the only nice thing I can say about him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 15, 2010, 10:08:26 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 14, 2010, 09:43:47 PM
Friend-of-a-friend on Facebook: I think it has something to do with introducing the vaccine to the immune system before it's formed and ready to fight. Whether it's trace amounts of mercury, aluminum, adjuvant, "killed viruses," whatever in hell else they put in there, something seems to be overwhelming children's' abilities to thrive. There are a lot more autistic children these days, and their symptoms do look a lot like some sort of heavy metal poisoning. There is something going on here with vaccines, and we aren't being told the truth because there is SO much money involved.

Me: "There are a lot more autistic children these days" No, there aren't. More of them are being DIAGNOSED, because of increased awareness and a greater number of disorders included in the autism spectrum, but epistemological studies show the rate of autism is steady, and has been for a long time.

And I'm sorry, but the money argument makes NO sense. It's less than 2% of the sales of pharmaceuticals, and doctors make very little money from them--certainly a lot less than they'd make treating the diseases they are KNOWN (yes, KNOWN) to prevent.

FoF: Ok, Shane, you are right, there are no autistic children, and vaccines do not make any money for Big Pharma.
OMG....That looked painful...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on September 15, 2010, 10:32:29 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 14, 2010, 09:43:47 PM
FoF: Ok, Shane, you are right, there are no autistic children, and vaccines do not make any money for Big Pharma.

"Are you retarded?" would have been my immediate answer.

Also:

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Don't really care about the Tea Party stuff, but DAAAAYUM this shit was dumb.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 15, 2010, 11:12:27 AM
I'd say this definitely qualifies as a fail quote:

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Seriously, how many times must we debunk that bogus WHO 'study' and those points about state education before people wise up?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 15, 2010, 11:24:17 AM
"Truth Warrior
Debunker of bullshit.
Slayer of Libertarians - especially Lordthawkeye
Pwner of fools - especially Surhotchaperchlorome"--billburns2's userpage (http://www.youtube.com/billburns2)

Don't know if I've posted this, but isn't the last line cute?
He thinks he "pwned" me. :P
If by pwn, he means, "blast with logical fallacies and bullshit", then I agree. :3
And if his plans with Lord T Hawkeye is to make him die of laughter, he might be onto something.

Note that he has a few fail quotes on his page too.
You'll know them when you see them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 17, 2010, 02:12:05 PM
[yt]g9b7NheAsdc[/yt]

The URLs to the videos being criticized are in the above video's description.

Here's more or less the content of the video above, as stated by a person on Stef's forum (not a fail quote):
"1. Stef is ambitious.

2. Stef confuses performative contradictions and a self refuting statements.

3. Self detonating statements are not a contemporary problem in philosophy, but rather identifying them has been a staple in the discipline since Socrates.

4. Stef has contempt for historical philosophers and a lack of appreciation for western thought.

5. Philosophy isn't boring.

6. Stef has a monstrious ego.

7. Philosophy can exist without property rights because philosophy predates property rights.

8. Stef should have credited John Locke for his property rights theory.

9. Stef does not list any of the criticisms of John Locke's argument in his 8 minute video.

10. Stef does not have the intellectual integrity to consider counter arguments.

11. Attempting to prove a conclusion by analyzing the logical structure of its denial is extremely hubristic.

12. Stef only argued for property, not property rights.

13. Stef seems oblivious to the possibility of other theories of property without rights.

14. Stef's argument is similar to a widely ridiculed argument.

15. Stef is begging the question of self ownership.

16. Stef straw mans the opposition.

17. Stef overestimates the power and scope of his methodology.

18. Stef fails to credit thinkers from which he explicitly borrows.

19. Stef fails to appreciate the history of philosophy.

20. Stef has a grotesque sense of self importance."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 18, 2010, 12:24:41 AM
[yt]WuG5Aj3BhMM[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 18, 2010, 05:17:49 AM
Hmmm, could use a laugh track and some wacky sound effects.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 18, 2010, 10:33:36 PM
"Forgive me, but...

FIRST! =D"

Me on Shane's new video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 19, 2010, 05:41:27 PM
"While you may not agree with the ideological premises behind the program, I feel you would serve your interests best by restraining your arguments to addressing those ideologies. Even granting the idea that the program is fundamentally flawed does not demonstrate in any way that it cannot be improved or that the its premises behind it are unfounded." --LordVith, commenting on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuaG-A6ezMQ).

Yeah, because ideology always trumps reality...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 19, 2010, 06:27:17 PM
[yt]Ch3hNw2TjlM[/yt]

He gets MUCH more entertaining hate mail than I do...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 19, 2010, 06:31:25 PM
Well, he IS much more entertaining than you. ;)
Joking!Joking! Eeeeeeh! *runs away*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 20, 2010, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 17, 2010, 02:12:05 PM[yt]g9b7NheAsdc[/yt]

*sigh* I ask Stefan on his latest video if/when we can expect a reply to the above, and my comment was deleted...
I did get a reply from someone else before it was saying, "He did make a reply, but then changed his mind and decided it wasn't worth it."
Man, I'm seeing bullshit tactics from both Stefan AND SR...

SR's bullshit notwithstanding, self-ownership is a fact.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 23, 2010, 12:12:51 AM
This (http://www.scribd.com/doc/37811023/Combating-Online-Infringement-and-Counterfeits-Act) is an epic fail quote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 23, 2010, 02:36:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrLMdnWQsWA&feature=watch_response
The description...just the description. Oh my aching ass. v_v

Quote:::No Scientific Explanation::: Millions of Seashells apearing every day on Clifton beach, karachi, Pakistan.
Just Last year in March 2009 " Dolphins Beaching " happened here on Pakistani Beaches.
Wat is surprising is that not a single private TV channel has covered this huge Event, No discussion forums on this Topic.
Not to mention there are large numbers of Earthquakes happening all around the world in the year 2010.
My thought is that all these Events are Signs of Great fluctuations in Earth's Magnetic Field...
This magnetic field fluctuation is happening due to the loss of Lubricant of Oil and Gas inside Earth's Crust.
Oil and Gas acts as Lubricant for Earth's Crust Movement. Now that we have taken out so much Oil and Gas. Earth's Layers have lost this lubricant and as a result we will observe much bigger more devastating Mega Earthquakes... just like Grand Canyon(Mega Earthquakes created Grand Canyons)
Electric Cars and Maglev Electric Turbines and Maglev Train, are the way of the future... if we want to save ourselves and humanity and future generations

Someone please tell me that this one's joking... lie if you have to.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2010, 03:46:22 PM
@Gumba Masta: That's joking?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2010, 03:47:33 PM
"@darkr0astedblend btw i dont require anyones permission to put a bullet in someone :)"--RadicalSyndicate (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=O06acUXAOFQ), showing us just how loving and anti-totalitarian anarcho-communism is...

I will always adore Lord T Hawkeye's statement that whenever he talks with so called anarcho-communists about how to do this and that, it always ends up with him saying, "Congratulations, you've just invented government."
Just like with Shane talking to people who think money = a bad idea, and ends up saying at the end: "Congratulations, you've just invented money."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 25, 2010, 06:36:34 PM
[yt]sK6tkcxAHIw&feature[/yt]

I don't know if Doctor Kent is suposed to be in here or in the crazy thing thread.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 29, 2010, 01:47:29 PM
Aw, geez...

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Someone PLEASE explain to Thunderf00t that YouTube videos are audio/visual media! I mean, the guy makes awesome science videos, but personally, he can be a real douche...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 01, 2010, 01:20:22 PM
CognitiveDisonance: "There are no 'unconstitutional' laws. According to Article One section 8, clause 18: (the sweeping clause);

'Congress shall have Power To make all Laws which shall be necessary...'" on the video of Tom Woods interviewing a zombie.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 01, 2010, 05:46:05 PM
It's those damn ellipses that get you every time!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 01, 2010, 05:59:32 PM
I thought so too.
So how much do you want to bet that he's quote mining the US Constitution?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 02, 2010, 12:20:32 AM
Oh, I KNOW he is! Here's what it really says:

"To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof." (emphases mine)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 02, 2010, 12:45:28 AM
*Applause*
Very well put, Shane.
You know that I'm not a Constitutionalist.  However, if someone is going to argue about the Constitution, they should at least be honest about what it says and means.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 03, 2010, 08:58:25 PM
In red are the fail quotes.  Whole conversation posted for full context.

It took place in the comment section of this video:
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for those wondering.

Me: "My apologies in advance if I am misinterpreting what you said regarding what you like about Christianity, but you seem to be saying that the reason Christianity got so popular was because of the willingness of the believers to evangelize to people (e.g. going door to door).

Wasn't the spread of Christianity mostly because of their use of force (e.g. Theocracy), and the fact that, most people today are simply indoctrinated into it?
And that if Christianity had just been born recently, that most people would simply view the people proselytizing it simply as nut jobs?

Case in point, Scientology."

Audiofalcon7:  "Is it really Christianity, or the mixture of Christianity by political power? Is it the Christian doctrine itself, or the horrific disaster that comes from the centralization of an idea into a political structure?

Is it school's faults that they are so bad, or the centralization of academics? Is it the natural sciences' fault, or Soviet Russia's extreme desire for empiricism to the point where 2+2 DOESN'T equal 5?

I think the question is essentially...IS it Christianity?"

Me: "Christianity: /watch?v=EEs2PHfKVyM

But then, that's kinda my point...

It wasn't because people "were willing to make fools of themselves" so much so that people were convinced, but because people were converted by the edge of a sword that Christianity got to where it is.

The other stuff in the comment is pretty much a red herring."

Audiofalcon7:  "A red herring to what? It is all roughly the same thing.

I really don't think it is any social institution - such as Christianity, or labor unions, whatever - that are so problematic, as much as the centralization of them to, as you said it, the edge of the sword.

But alas, we're not on polar opposite opinions here. I think we both contend with the same thing. xD"

Me:  "'...as you said it, the edge of the sword.'
Indeed.
That, and the whole social inertia children indoctrinated into it deal, as I initially said.
Ironically, in my original comments, I never said it was a bad thing, just that I disagreed with Stef's points of how Christianity became so prevalent.

'A red herring to what?'
To my point of how Christianity spread."

Seriously, what is with all of the religious apologists in the anarchist movement?
Honestly, I don't even know what his point was with his first comment...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 08, 2010, 02:05:57 PM
"What is free will? I've yet to hear a definition that's coherent.

Specifically, are the decisions reached by a 'free will':

a) Fully caused (no, this would be determinism)

b) Fully uncaused (indistinguishable from random)

c) Partly caused and partly uncaused (like determinism, but with some non-determined randomness thrown in)

I think that exhausts the possibilities. None of these sound like what free-will-ists seem to have in mind, to me.
"-someone commenting on Lord T Hawkeye's latest video

He forgot about the part of our brains being probablistic.

Although something that has bothered me lately: What exactly IS free will?
Is it simply non-deterministic?
Or does it mean the ability to choose, and if so, how does having probablistic brains give us that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 08, 2010, 04:01:16 PM
"So, because you know nothing about a subject, that means it must be random? The reason quantum mechanics makes no sense to us is because we evolved in the macroworld. Our brains weren't made to handle really big things or really small things. Quantum particles and really, really, really small."--Some wanker in this video's comment section:

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After reading some comments from Stargazer and others, I've come to the conclusion that the Determinist understanding of Quantum Mechanics is about as good as the Creationist understanding of Evolution by Natural Selection.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 08, 2010, 07:03:46 PM
I avoid the quantum mechanics debate because it's not really my field of expertise.  I find you really don't have to go that deep to demonstrate that determinism is unfounded nonsense.  The determinist says the universe is scripted and I say "Okay, show me the script" and they get ticked at me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 08, 2010, 07:38:02 PM
You don't need to go deep into QM. I'd love to see someone reconcile determinism with the double-slit experiment, or the Casimir Effect.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 09, 2010, 12:39:39 AM
QuoteYou don't need to go deep into QM. I'd love to see someone reconcile determinism with the double-slit experiment, or the Casimir Effect.

Can't say I've heard of them before.  Care to enlighten me?

By the way, does anyone think I'm being unreasonable when I say that to be a nihilist, you can't logically correct or object to anyone's behavior because to so is to suggest a more preferable course of action which runs contrary to the claim of nihilism?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 09, 2010, 04:01:28 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on October 09, 2010, 12:39:39 AM
Can't say I've heard of them before.  Care to enlighten me?

By the way, does anyone think I'm being unreasonable when I say that to be a nihilist, you can't logically correct or object to anyone's behavior because to so is to suggest a more preferable course of action which runs contrary to the claim of nihilism?

Not quite. You would have a hard time calling a behavior unethical by your own personal ethical system, but you could argue that their behavior runs counter to their stated objective, or expose a contradiction in their own ethics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 09, 2010, 06:49:46 AM
And then they drank tea.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 09, 2010, 08:03:52 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on October 09, 2010, 12:39:39 AM
Can't say I've heard of them before.  Care to enlighten me?

With the double-slit experiment, a laser is shone through two tiny slits, the barrier between which is smaller than the wavelength of the light used. When this happens, instead of getting two dots of light on the wall as you might expect, you get an interference pattern, meaning the light waves are interfering with each other as they exit the slits. The crazy thing is, you still get the interference pattern even when you only send through one photon at a time--meaning that a single particle exists in two places at the same time!

But if you have a detector observe the particle on its way to the photographic plate--even if it doesn't observe it until AFTER it's left the slits--it will be seen to have only gone through one of the slits, and there will be no interference pattern created. It could be either slit.

The Casimir Effect is a way of detecting virtual particles which form spontaneously in a vacuum. Ordinarily, these form in particle-antiparticle pairs and immediately annihilate each other, but with this experiment one particle is absorbed, leaving the other to emit a very tiny amount of energy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 09, 2010, 03:23:49 PM
Now if we could build an engie that utilizes the casimir effect would you get an perpetual motion machine?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 09, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
It wouldn't be perpetual motion, because the act of absorbing one of the particles corrodes the plate a bit. In a sense, it's like taking one tiny particle from the plate and turning it into energy, except that's not really what's going on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 09, 2010, 10:32:27 PM
So you're generating something only you don't.
No wonder all those scientists that somehow got a hold of a deathray and enough juice to power it went mad.
I always wonderd did they go mad right before discovering the quantum principle of generating energy out of thin air or right after it.
I mean, which was the prerquisite of which.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 10, 2010, 08:58:13 AM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on October 09, 2010, 04:01:28 AM
Not quite. You would have a hard time calling a behavior unethical by your own personal ethical system, but you could argue that their behavior runs counter to their stated objective, or expose a contradiction in their own ethics.

But then you're suggesting that it's objectively preferable to practice what you preach no?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 10, 2010, 09:07:13 AM
That's an interesting point: a nihilist should should consider pragmatism as no more preferable than any other approach.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 10, 2010, 07:13:35 PM
Which I why I say all these so-called nihilists are total pretenders.

But oh boy!  I landed me a good one this time!  Check this out!

"Your logic is flawed. "Violence" is what allowed for the creation of this very Nation. "Violence" is what brought about the end of the Third Reich.

"Violence" is what put Jesus Christ on a Cross to be assasinated. Thereby,

fulfilling prophesy and making it possible for Believers to even get to heaven.

Yes, Power corrupts. And, absolute power, corrupts absolutely. But,

occasionally, and history proves that sometimes "Violence" IS a nessasary,

and even, yes, a "Good" Thing."


It's just too logical for words!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 10, 2010, 07:16:55 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 10, 2010, 09:07:13 AM
That's an interesting point: a nihilist should should consider pragmatism as no more preferable than any other approach.

I always thought it meant that there were no objective standards by which one might determine a preferable ethical stance and so forth, leaving one free to decide upon whichever standards they otherwise desired.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 10, 2010, 09:47:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mOp2Hg_kVs Proof for determinism.

Well, this approach isn't so much my thing.  Shane?  Anything of substance to be gleaned here?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 11, 2010, 07:05:05 AM
I found it very rambling and confused. Could you summarize his arguments?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 11, 2010, 11:01:44 AM
He could but it would cost... HIS MIND!
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 11, 2010, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on October 11, 2010, 11:01:44 AM
He could but it would cost... HIS MIND!

Yeah, what he said.  I couldn't stay awake through it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 13, 2010, 10:39:44 AM
Today's addition comes from an unexpected place: My micro-economics teacher.

(Summary, but mostly exact, especially the last line) "Let's assume that the insurance company isn't able to charge higher-risk persons a higher premium. The premiums would then be somewhere around the average price to cover the cost of covering all customers. The lower risk persons look at the high premium they're paying with respect to the higher-risk patrons, and decide that they don't need insurance. When they all drop off, the insurance company must increase its premiums in order to cover its new customer base, at which point the process repeats itself. This is the reason you would see steadily increasing insurance premiums in things like health insurance. I'm not trying to get political here, but this is used as the justification for requiring that all people buy health insurance. Sure, then you get into arguments about whether or not it's right to make someone pay for someone else's insurance, but that's more based in opinions."

Uh-huh. Right. Because apparently there's no value to the shelter from unforeseen risks provided by health insurance, and people are now suddenly clairvoyant to the point of perfectly predicting all future medical costs. Sheesh. This is the first sign I've had that the guy was a hack. If I could, I'd drop the course and take it again from a better teacher next semester.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 13, 2010, 11:37:41 AM
Man, he pretty much ADMITTED that it was because of price controls, didn't he?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 14, 2010, 04:59:54 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on October 11, 2010, 11:01:44 AM
He could but it would cost... HIS MIND!
[yt]a1Y73sPHKxw[/yt]

I prefer this one.
[yt]WiloZd1H4ow&feature=player_embedded[/yt]

It's a proven fact: Everything is better with lightsabers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2010, 05:41:21 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on October 14, 2010, 04:59:54 PM
I prefer this one.
[yt]WiloZd1H4ow&feature=player_embedded[/yt]

It's a proven fact: Everything is better with lightsabers.

The Light-saber:  The most bad-ass weapon since the flamethrower.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 14, 2010, 07:22:36 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 14, 2010, 05:41:21 PM
The Light-saber:  The most bad-ass weapon since the flamethrower.

Agreed. I present the following as further evidence of the lightsaber's ability to immediately improve any given item.

Let us examine the following; a typical axe deoderant body spray commercial:

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It is crude, un-funny, nonsensical, and seems mildly misogynistic to even me, a man who feels that porn continues to be unfairly kept out of the food pyramid.

Now, we shall add lightsabers. I think you'll find the result is a vast improvement:

[yt]NVV9q4rESPg&feature=player_embedded[/yt]

Agreed?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2010, 08:56:37 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on October 14, 2010, 07:22:36 PM
Agreed. I present the following as further evidence of the lightsaber's ability to immediately improve any given item.

Let us examine the following; a typical axe deoderant body spray commercial:

[yt]fT6IWAIf580[/yt]

It is crude, un-funny, nonsensical, and seems mildly misogynistic to even me, a man who feels that porn continues to be unfairly kept out of the food pyramid.

Now, we shall add lightsabers. I think you'll find the result is a vast improvement:

[yt]NVV9q4rESPg&feature=player_embedded[/yt]

Agreed?
Absolutely. 8)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2010, 09:00:34 PM
Back on topic:

"Social Darwinism is based on the idea that Darwinism Evolution should be applied to human society.  It states that societies are organisms that evolve --the strong advance and the weak (mostly poor) people should be allowed to die off, without interference from the state."--My history professor
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 16, 2010, 09:21:33 AM
Thunderf00t: not only has he gone completely off the deep end, he's completely lost any sense of humor he ever might have had:

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Sigh...does anyone remember the days when Tf00t would actually refute people's arguments based on logic and evidence?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 16, 2010, 09:26:38 AM
Not really. I just remember the times he picked on the kid with the obvious mental problems (VFX), which I loved by the way. =D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 16, 2010, 01:27:09 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 16, 2010, 09:21:33 AM
Sigh...does anyone remember the days when Tf00t would actually refute people's arguments based on logic and evidence?

And even then he used logic and reason on creationists   ::)

I guess this is why I was never a subscriber.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 16, 2010, 02:32:19 PM
[yt]u5kU0zcbYlY[/yt]

The following are the two top rated comments on the above video as of this posting.

workergirls:  "Peace can only be had when the last Nationalist is hanged by his own flag.
Freedom can only be had when the last Capitalist is strangled by the entails of the last Bureaucrat.
Long live to the workers unity !!!
Death to the fascism, capitalism and racism !!!"

MarxistStudant:  "You as many Americans may try to fool me with this art of manipulating definitions, but you won't.
Socialism => public ownership over the means of production;
Capitalism => private ownership over the means of production;

Neither of them refer to government, state intevention, authority, democracy, republics, anarchy, etc. We may have both with a very complex combination of all those above.

Don't blind yourself with manipulated definitions on eahc system, it is not worth it."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 16, 2010, 02:56:20 PM
Quote from: VectorM on October 16, 2010, 01:27:09 PM
And even then he used logic and reason on creationists   ::)

I guess this is why I was never a subscriber.

You know, that just struck me as being kind of perverse: like he thinks the creationist arguments deserve a proper, logical rebuttal, and the comments of other atheists who disagree with him don't. Like he's elevating creationists into the field of rational debate or something.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2010, 10:58:12 AM
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From the above video with the fails in red:

Nightmare060:  "I'll only adress the first joke as that's all I listened to. From my perspective, the private businessman would pay the average guy to push his car for him to the nearest petrol station, then drive off with the petrol leaving the guy behind when it's done! Unless of course the government official was there with a cop to keep an eye on him ;).

And on a wider subject; I'm OK with private companies for the most part, save for some important services. With rules of course."

Me: "But what if the cop makes off with the car?"

Nightmare060: "That is unlikley to happen. Unless for a valid reason. I.E; No lisence, insurance etc.."

Nightmare060 showing himself to be a complete tool...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 17, 2010, 11:58:46 AM
People who think that cops are righteous by default are a delusional bunch.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2010, 12:44:49 PM
Quote from: VectorM on October 17, 2010, 11:58:46 AM
People who think that cops are righteous by default are a delusional bunch.

That's nothing.
he just linked me to two videos by TheElmoIsEvil in response to the video I linked to him from Stefan Molyneux:

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Thereby proving just how big of a deluded tool he is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 17, 2010, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 17, 2010, 10:58:12 AM
[yt]laCYmjUDOvk[/yt]

From the above video with the fails in red:

Nightmare060:  "I'll only adress the first joke as that's all I listened to. From my perspective, the private businessman would pay the average guy to push his car for him to the nearest petrol station, then drive off with the petrol leaving the guy behind when it's done! Unless of course the government official was there with a cop to keep an eye on him ;).

And on a wider subject; I'm OK with private companies for the most part, save for some important services. With rules of course."

Me: "But what if the cop makes off with the car?"

Nightmare060: "That is unlikley to happen. Unless for a valid reason. I.E; No lisence, insurance etc.."

Nightmare060 showing himself to be a complete tool...

Weird... All of my comments aren't showing up on the main page.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2010, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on October 17, 2010, 01:43:35 PM
Weird... All of my comments aren't showing up on the main page.
It shows that three of your comments were marked as spam.
I don't know why the first was.
I would advise deleting the last two and asking Shane to un-mark the first one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 17, 2010, 02:48:14 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 17, 2010, 02:17:21 PM
It shows that three of your comments were marked as spam.
I don't know why the first was.
I would advise deleting the last two and asking Shane to un-mark the first one.

Huh... I only see one of my comments showing up on the main page. Were the ones marked as spam ones with links to videos in them?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2010, 03:08:07 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on October 17, 2010, 02:48:14 PM
Huh... I only see one of my comments showing up on the main page. Were the ones marked as spam ones with links to videos in them?
Yup.  Go to the See all (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=laCYmjUDOvk) comments section to see your comments.
That's how I knew.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 17, 2010, 03:13:40 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 17, 2010, 03:08:07 PM
Yup.  Go to the See all (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=laCYmjUDOvk) comments section to see your comments.
That's how I knew.

Alright. Already done. I linked Nightgown060 to the videos RaymondDundas made about Elmo. Some of my favorite pwnage videos, and a pretty thorough demonstration why one should never take anything Elmo says very seriously unless it's been verified from an outside source.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 18, 2010, 03:56:48 PM
'if they did, they did so for a reason. that makes no sense. im going to assume your "accident" was either your birth, or a closed head injury, haha!'

A desperate insult from louiscaponecchia regarding Shane's car accident on the 'How to Fix Health Care' video.

I don't think I've ever been more disgusted by a remark in my life.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 18, 2010, 04:06:35 PM
You can be disgusted, but at this point, can you really be surprised?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 18, 2010, 04:19:46 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 18, 2010, 04:06:35 PM
You can be disgusted, but at this point, can you really be surprised?

I'm ashamed to say I was. I've never seen anyone make fun of someone's dead wife for the sake of making an argument before. I mean, I thought I'd seen the lowest of the low with Vogter.

Shane, I commend you for showing restraint here. If it'd been me, I would've been tracking his address and 'borrowing' my ex-marine buddy's service rifle.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 18, 2010, 04:24:01 PM
You really should'nt say stuff like that. For it will certainly come back to bite you, one way or another.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 18, 2010, 04:40:52 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on October 18, 2010, 04:24:01 PM
You really should'nt say stuff like that. For it will certainly come back to bite you, one way or another.

It's a bit of hyperbole for the sake of expressing the kind of anger I would feel in that situation. Then again, I'm very protective of my missus.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 18, 2010, 04:52:26 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on October 18, 2010, 04:19:46 PM
I'm ashamed to say I was. I've never seen anyone make fun of someone's dead wife for the sake of making an argument before.

Happened to me all the time over on the Randi forums after it happened. One reason I'm no longer there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 18, 2010, 04:57:10 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 18, 2010, 04:52:26 PM
Happened to me all the time over on the Randi forums after it happened. One reason I'm no longer there.

Wow... I'm just about speechless...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 18, 2010, 06:47:51 PM
Classy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 19, 2010, 11:02:18 AM
Rule of internet etiquite: If you wouldn't say it IRL, don't say it on the net.  The internet is not a magical morality shield.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 19, 2010, 12:36:06 PM
I actually saw some of Shane's older posts and threads on that forum and damn....lost all respect for those forums. Imagine a forum with nothing but Thunderf00ts and Vogters. It was that bad.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 19, 2010, 12:54:33 PM
(Completely unrelated note: would the plural of Thunderf00t be Thunderf33t?)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 19, 2010, 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 19, 2010, 12:54:33 PM
(Completely unrelated note: would the plural of Thunderf00t be Thunderf33t?)

I dunno. I think in this case it'd be more of a title rather than a noun, Thunderf00t being his online moniker. I think in that instance, the plural form would be the addition of an s on the end. I'd get around the problem by rephrasing it as 'multiple clones of Thunderf00t'. =P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 19, 2010, 04:56:50 PM
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/2/0/1/4201.jpg?v=1)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 19, 2010, 08:49:16 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 19, 2010, 04:56:50 PM
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/2/0/1/4201.jpg?v=1)

Um, yeah. That only works if you have lube.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 19, 2010, 09:16:15 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on October 19, 2010, 08:49:16 PM
Um, yeah. That only works if you have lube.
And are missing the part of the brain responsible for registering pain.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 19, 2010, 09:33:22 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 19, 2010, 09:16:15 PM
And are missing the part of the brain responsible for registering pain.

I can speak from personal experience- it only hurts if you don't use lube, or alot of saliva. If you don't, yeah, it hurts quite a bit. Really, that bit needs to have an asterisk next to it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 19, 2010, 10:53:19 PM
"Communism is good in theory, bad in practice."--People who a) don't know what the word 'theory' means b) haven't read up on communism or c) don't understand basic logic
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 19, 2010, 11:30:46 PM
I know I'm going to get heat this one, but...

Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 19, 2010, 09:16:15 PM
And are missing the part of the brain responsible for registering pain.

Surhot, for being a total virgin. =P

Sorry! Don't hit!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 20, 2010, 09:50:42 AM
Happy 300th post. :P

I walked right into that one, didn't I?

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 20, 2010, 10:15:28 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 22, 2010, 11:08:23 AM
"ECONOMICS ARE IRRELEVANT!"--James, around the 6:25 mark of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_B-sDrKmWQ)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 22, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
"'Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics.'

Adolf Hitler

'Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease.

Adolf Hitler'"--dex1391 on this video in the comments (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdiD5iC3rno), without any citations
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 24, 2010, 12:04:09 AM
So who wants to bet that those quotes he left in an attempt to paint Adolf Hitler as an Atheist are quote mines?

Even if they aren't quote mines (a huge assumption in and of itself) it still doesn't explain why he spoke of doing "the Creator's work" or something like that in Mein Kampf, his Baptism and the fact that he never renounced it, his public prayers, the belt buckles with the words, "Got Mit Uns" or "God With Us", his constant hanging out with the Catholic higher ups, and the blessing he and the Nazis got from the Pope.  And even if Hitler was an Atheist, it still doesn't mean that him being an Atheist caused him to do what he did.
Him and Stalin also had mustaches.  Does this mean that having mustaches causes people to mass murder?

And even IF being an atheist caused him to mass murder, why don't we see that same thing with people today (to any meaningful percentage) becoming atheists and becoming mass murderers as a direct result?  In fact, what statistics I have been shown shows people of faith are more likely to murder, rape, etc.

And even if THAT were the case, it would still put atheism pretty low on the list of causing deaths.
Environmentalism, from what I can tell would still be far greater in deaths caused than atheism.
I could go on.
All it shows is that dex1391 either missed the point of the video, or more likely, didn't even watch it to begin with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 24, 2010, 12:33:31 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this article belongs in here.
http://www.slate.com/id/2271265/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 24, 2010, 08:12:22 AM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on October 24, 2010, 12:33:31 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this article belongs in here.
http://www.slate.com/id/2271265/
Wow! Lots of ad hominem attacks, but if there was an argument in there anywhere, I missed it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 24, 2010, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 24, 2010, 08:12:22 AM
Wow! Lots of ad hominem attacks, but if there was an argument in there anywhere, I missed it.

From the comments:

QuoteI think this guy is making an admission that rightwingers in general don't want to admit: 

"I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible." That seems the basis for the Citizens United decision, and generally the way the new Libertarian-style conservatives have developed their worldview. 
The first time I heard the term "Jobless Recovery" I realized with a shock: These people don't need us anymore. This guy makes it clear he, and by extension the rest of Randian Supermen-In-Their-Own-Minds, would just like the rest of us to go away and die. Historically, the next step is in engineering that outcome.


I think I might die from all the facepalming.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 24, 2010, 02:26:28 PM
Oh, God, I couldn't even get through that whole comment.

As for the article, I got bored after finishing the first paragraph.
It didn't seem very interesting, and judging by Shane's comment, it doesn't sound like it had any substance either.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 24, 2010, 02:43:18 PM
I finished it and it's exactly as Shane said - no arguments whatsoever. Just Ad Hominem, strawman and just general idiocy. "HOLY SHIT HE DOESNT THIN DEMOCRACY IS A GOOD THING ZOMG!" And so on. The guy just acts as if it's some sort of undeniable fact that democracy is the best system ever and that colleges are magic or something, so he just slams Peter Thiel for his disagreements.

There is even this one part, where they mention that Thiel is gay, which didn't seem to be of any relevance whatsoever. It's like the writer tried to appeal to some of the readers homophobia, in a stealthy way.

And btw, it seems this site is from the same fridge as MSNBC...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 24, 2010, 03:08:55 PM
Quote from: VectorM on October 24, 2010, 02:43:18 PMThere is even this one part, where they mention that Thiel is gay, which didn't seem to be of any relevance whatsoever. It's like the writer tried to appeal to some of the readers homophobia, in a stealthy way.

Of course.  Because nothing is too low when defending a dogma.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 26, 2010, 05:53:43 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 26, 2010, 06:34:24 PM
Please tell me that's a parody...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 26, 2010, 07:38:40 PM
For some reason, it reminds me of Oingo Boingo's "Perfect System."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 26, 2010, 11:54:30 PM
Quote from: VectorM on October 26, 2010, 06:34:24 PMPlease tell me that's a parody...
I made almost the exact same comment on the video. :P

And yes, as far as I can tell, it's a real video by a real ministry.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 26, 2010, 11:57:02 PM
Ah, YouTube.
You never cease to amaze me with the shear amount of stupid emanating from your comments.

"@Stargazer5781 Yes, all efforts at pooling resources are highway robbery. Why? because profits are always involved. When that becomes involved, morality goes out the window."--qtzlctl2012 in the comments of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feoOSbgG4p4).

"You're shifting the burden of proof. I don't need to describe why my state is going to protect me for you to demonstrate how a stateless society can. they are two separate issues. And your insinuation that I must do this otherwise my position loses merit is akin to saying I must prove my husband won't beat me unlike the millions of other husbands that beat their wives. It's a loaded question."--qtzlctl2012 in the comments of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feoOSbgG4p4).

"@Stargazer5781 Of course you have no words! you're talking out of your ass!

And along with no words, you have no evidence. Just like a typical anarchist."--qtzlctl2012, same source as the above.  Can you say "Psychological Projection"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 27, 2010, 09:14:16 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on October 24, 2010, 12:33:31 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this article belongs in here.
http://www.slate.com/id/2271265/
Response from the JREF: http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1120-slates-wrong-headed-attack-on-peter-thiel.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 27, 2010, 09:43:50 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 27, 2010, 09:14:16 PM
Response from the JREF: http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1120-slates-wrong-headed-attack-on-peter-thiel.html
I'm afraid to ask, but is the JREF's response a fail quote, or something posted to add to Gumba Masta's point?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 27, 2010, 10:11:17 PM
No, they tear the guy a new one. Read it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 27, 2010, 11:26:40 PM
I just read it.
To be blunt:  That should have gone in the fav quotes thread.

In it, I also saw an excerpt from the article Gumba Masta posted.
The shear amount of smarmy-ness and snootiness made me facepalm.
I would never be able to read Weisberg's entire article, at least not without vomiting.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 28, 2010, 08:31:52 AM
Like I often suspected, there's nothing altruistic about anti-capitalists. They're nothing but snobs.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 28, 2010, 03:23:41 PM
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Don't get me wrong, most of the video is good.
It's when he gets to the politics part in the second half that he starts to lose it...
He seems to be implying that a ban = no people drinking it.
I take it he hasn't heard of the war on drugs.
I won't even get into that "we all bear the cost" stuff...

I'm really disappointed in him.
So shameful that he's yet another collectivist hack.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 29, 2010, 10:27:17 PM
This one takes a bit of setup. In this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-cKzzPkz2o), user "tntdeamicis" is getting on my case because I'm so irresponsible telling people to get dangerous, toxic vaccines and so "negligent" because I'm actually pointing out the real-world data showing that car seats don't make children above two years of age any safer.

Anyway, he posted something that was confusing, and when I asked him what he meant, this was the first part of his reply:

Quotesorry, was driving when i sent it, so i mispelled it.

Sometimes, there just aren't the words...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 30, 2010, 03:22:30 AM
Almost as bad as all those people that record their videos while driving.
On the other hand a nice twelve car pile up caught from inside one of the cars would rake in the views. If you survive to put it online that is. Or if someone else salvages your camera and does.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 30, 2010, 01:16:30 PM
I haven't even watched this, but judging by the title alone, it's fail quote:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 30, 2010, 01:58:35 PM
I stopped it after 1:40, right after he said that it was from "reading too much Hayek" and we had to "get back to Keynes." What???
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 30, 2010, 02:04:11 PM
Indeed.
When have we NOT been using Keynes anytime recently?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 30, 2010, 03:02:26 PM
I know! How do they go from "We're all Keynesians now" to "We need to start being Keynesians"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 31, 2010, 03:59:11 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on October 19, 2010, 11:30:46 PM
I know I'm going to get heat this one, but...

Surhot, for being a total virgin. =P

Sorry! Don't hit!

Oh, yeah?
Well, I raise your virgin quote with this:
"If eve-er-lu-shun is real, where is the sun?"--Me.
:P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 03, 2010, 02:01:46 AM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-lLuL7QAUA&feature=sub  My response to him said it all: So basically your argument is that through the use of coercion by voting, we can produce less coercion?
   
    ....and he still can't understand why I find him so funny?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 03, 2010, 09:29:38 AM
Pretty much everything I've seen on this site so far is a Fail Quote, being presented as successes when in reality they're either useless posturing or more of what's created this mess to begin with: http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 03, 2010, 10:45:40 AM
The ones I saw were just examples of the government breaking people's legs, giving them a crutch, and telling them, "See? Without us, you couldn't walk."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 03, 2010, 10:44:27 PM
I was arguing for hours in this thread: http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=114548 with a user called
Rindill the Red, who is this totalitarian technophile (or whatever you would call a guy who belives in the PC GOD), who believes that we should have a one world government ruled by an AI that works on nothing but logic. He has all sorts of crazy things to say, but at the end was the worst (for me at least):

Him: Just because we don't NEED a one world government doesn't mean we won't be better off WITH one.

Me: That's pretty much the same as: "There is no evidence for a God, but that doesn't mean there isn't one!"

Him: If killing me was truly the most logical way to provide for the well-being of every human being on the planet (including me)... then yes, I would still try to stay alive... but that's because I'm human and flawed.

Me: OK, this is it for me. This guy is a religious fanatic. This last quote says it all.
If God (his ULTRA MEGA SUPER AI) said that his death would make it better for everyone else, it would be OK, for he is just a flawed mortal and God (HAL 9001) is perfect and all knowing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on November 04, 2010, 10:16:58 AM
Just out of curiosity... why do you have that sort of discussions on the Eidos forum?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 04, 2010, 02:45:04 PM
"Treatments should be determined by scientists and not by voters." --Gil Kerlikowske (Obama's drug czar) on Prop 19 (California's marijuana legalization referendum)

Yes, but they're not letting the scientists do that, either!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 04, 2010, 04:49:30 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on November 04, 2010, 10:16:58 AM
Just out of curiosity... why do you have that sort of discussions on the Eidos forum?

Because the moderators didn't close the thread  :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 05, 2010, 07:33:13 PM
Yeah, that doesn't surprise me...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 09, 2010, 04:56:21 PM
This one will need a bit of setting up for the impact.
I made the following comment on this video by Jacob Spinney:
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Me:  "'Capitalists Do Not Exploit Workers'
Unless they are in bed with the state. In which case they are corporatists, not capitalists."

To which billburns2 responded with:
QuoteAh, the old capitalist / corporatist bullshit.
Another version of the "no true scotsman" fallacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 09, 2010, 07:39:22 PM
From the comments on this fun article: http://www.cracked.com/article_18840_5-common-medical-procedures-that-secretly-arent-worth-it.html

[about circumsision]
QuoteHa Kitsuke, your comment was the only one that made sense. It's more about a child being happy with their life (all parts of it, including sex) in the future. If a kid was born with a disfigurement that would not affect their health but would possibly make others tease them, would you be totally against getting them help to make their life easier? Mysto, I don't have a penis, therefore don't have foreskin. I find it interesting that people are so up in arms about this issue. I have been with a guy with a foreskin before, and I physically was not as excited by his penis as I am by a circ*mcised penis. It is simply a matter of taste. Perhaps there are men who lose pleasure from this procedure, but I have never before heard of such an issue so I have to assume it is the exception and not the rule. Lastly, an uncirc*mcised penis does have health risks attached to it. So let's just say both choices are a risk and in my opinion, circ*mcisions benefits outweigh non circ*mcision.

Lot's of dumb cows in those comments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 09, 2010, 08:37:20 PM
Why did she keep censoring the word "circumcised"? (And interesting that she DIDN'T censor the word "foreskin.")
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 09, 2010, 08:38:02 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 03, 2010, 09:29:38 AM
Pretty much everything I've seen on this site so far is a Fail Quote, being presented as successes when in reality they're either useless posturing or more of what's created this mess to begin with: http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

A nice (and MUCH more accurate) response to this site: http://whatinthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 09, 2010, 08:41:21 PM
That should also go in fav quotes, Shane. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 09, 2010, 08:43:09 PM
Quote from: VectorM on November 09, 2010, 07:39:22 PM
From the comments on this fun article: http://www.cracked.com/article_18840_5-common-medical-procedures-that-secretly-arent-worth-it.html

[about circumsision]

Lot's of dumb cows in those comments.

http://www.youtube.com/user/freedom0speech would have it out with her...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 10, 2010, 06:51:42 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 09, 2010, 08:37:20 PM
Why did she keep censoring the word "circumcised"? (And interesting that she DIDN'T censor the word "foreskin.")

It's not her, all of the comments have that censored. It's automatic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 10, 2010, 01:00:34 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on November 09, 2010, 08:43:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/freedom0speech would have it out with her...

I'm truly shocked that Penn and Teller never brought this up.  So why was the female version banned but not the male version?  Cause everyone knows it's not sexual abuse when you do it to boys?  Bloody pigs...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 10, 2010, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on November 10, 2010, 01:00:34 PM
I'm truly shocked that Penn and Teller never brought this up.  So why was the female version banned but not the male version?  Cause everyone knows it's not sexual abuse when you do it to boys?  Bloody pigs...
The ironic thing?
At least one person defending this inequality is a feminist.
The dude's videos go into it, last time I checked.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 10, 2010, 03:20:23 PM
Feminist double standarts are nothing new.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 10, 2010, 07:03:25 PM
"If you like freedom, thank a veteran."--A bumper sticker I saw on the way home
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 10, 2010, 08:28:59 PM
"The current U.S. Health-care system is broken! Why do you free market fundies support it?"--Socialist/Statist fuckwits

Not an exact quote from any one person, but I think we've all heard what more or less amounts to this, no?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 11, 2010, 06:02:41 PM
QuoteIt's simply a matter of the nature of claims. In politics, the status quo is usually the default position. If the claim is: "A reduction in government intervention can be demonstrated to increase efficiency in healthcare delivery." then the default position is that it "can't be demonstrated". For every positive claim there is a mutually exclusive negative claim.

Libertarianism is not the default. Specific positive claims must be demonstrated to be verifiable.
--C0nc0rdance to franks2732 in the raw milk video's comments.

Spoken like a true State Cultist, C0nc0rdance...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 11, 2010, 06:31:35 PM
Yeah, it's not as if Appeal to Status Quo is a fallacy or anything...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 11, 2010, 07:09:29 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 11, 2010, 06:31:35 PM
Yeah, it's not as if Appeal to Status Quo is a fallacy or anything...

I didn't see "Appeal to Status Quo" when I Googled it.
I think that might be a fallacy worth adding to the list of unnamed logical fallacies.
As I can't see any way that is NOT fallacious.
It seems like a special version of appeal to common practice.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 11, 2010, 07:17:57 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 11, 2010, 06:31:35 PM
Yeah, it's not as if Appeal to Status Quo is a fallacy or anything...

Also, here was the reply I just posted to C0nc0rdance's comment(Not a fail quote):
"@C0nc0rdance
Appeal to Status Quo.

I'm sorry, but an argument that could be used to defend slavery or nazism as legitimate has no place in the realm of the rational."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 11, 2010, 09:19:25 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on November 11, 2010, 07:09:29 PM
I didn't see "Appeal to Status Quo" when I Googled it.

Put it in quotes. I just did it and got several results. Wikipedia lists it as "status quo bias."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 11, 2010, 11:03:18 PM
I'm not sure if that's how you found it in Wikipedia, as putting in the quotes didn't much help.
At least I didn't see it on the first several pages of results even with the quotes.
I did put in "status quo bias" in Wikipedia and got results, however.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 12, 2010, 06:35:22 AM
No, put the quotes in Google.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 12, 2010, 11:11:45 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 12, 2010, 06:35:22 AM
No, put the quotes in Google.
I did.
"Status Quo Bias" (at least on the first few pages) didn't show up for me when I put in "Appeal to Status Quo" with the quotes in Google.
I did find it when put in "Status Quo Bias".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on November 12, 2010, 11:39:30 AM
Maybe all your searches for " Nectrotic Lesbian Bestiality with mollusks" messed up your google relevance?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 12, 2010, 11:54:02 AM
You know that comment I posted?
Well, C0nc0rdance responded:

QuoteI'm not appealing to anything, this is a fundamental of critical thinking. The default position for any argument is that a positive claim can NOT be supported by evidence.

In politics or economics, the default is whatever we are currently doing (ie "no change"). If you want to make a positive claim, it will be something other than what we are currently doing. Inaction is always the default (negative) position.

If you want to change what we are currently doing, make a positive case.
--Fail quote

A claim that was long refuted by FlowCell in the comment section of the very video he posted that.
I'm sorry, but I just lost all respect for C0nc0rdance.
He's a statist hack.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ex_Nihil0 on November 12, 2010, 09:05:16 PM
I can't believe C0nC0rdance would be this stupid.  Maintaining the status quo is equal to the claim that the status quo is what is best.  In other words, C0nC0rdance claims that the status quo does not need to be justified by evidence.  How the fuck is this a fundamental of critical thinking?  Oh GOD, the stupid, it BURNS!!!!

Where he misses the boat is thinking that the status quo is the same as inaction.  Inaction of government would be LIBERTY, not the status quo.  The status quo is just the present condition of the state and its policies, what ever they may be.  To say that the status quo is the NULL is to say that opportunity costs don't matter when fundamental critical thinking should tell everybody that they do.  See, this is the problem with statists, they have no concept of opportunity costs!  As C0nc0rdance admits, the NULL of an action is inaction, but this should then translate to mean that the NULL of government action is government inaction, not government doing the same damn thing it has done before.

How could somebody as smart as C0nc0rdance bet this stupid?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 13, 2010, 12:18:16 AM
Statism does that.  If you use statism, you're not using your brain.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ex_Nihil0 on November 13, 2010, 12:30:26 AM
Am I the only Science major on YouTube who doesn't think the State should manage the "little people"?  This is why we have phrases like "egotistical fathead".  My intellect, knowledge and experience does not give me the right to declare everybody else too stupid and too dumb to manage there own lives.  For all we know, people are stupid and dumb because they are taken care of too much as it is!  Nobody gets to feel the sting of their own dumb decisions anymore.  Yet we all feel the sting when the government makes a dumb decision without our consent.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 13, 2010, 12:50:27 AM
Quote from: Ex_Nihil0 on November 13, 2010, 12:30:26 AMAm I the only Science major on YouTube who doesn't think the State should manage the "little people"?
If it makes you feel any better, I'm an Engineering major who doesn't think the state should manage the "little people".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ex_Nihil0 on November 13, 2010, 12:58:01 AM
It does, actually.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 13, 2010, 08:46:38 AM
Quote from: Ex_Nihil0 on November 13, 2010, 12:30:26 AMMy intellect, knowledge and experience does not give me the right to declare everybody else too stupid and too dumb to manage there own lives.

This was actually one of the reasons used to justify slavery and segregation: that blacks just aren't smart enough to run their own lives.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 13, 2010, 08:00:58 PM
Quote from: Ex_Nihil0 on November 12, 2010, 09:05:16 PM
I can't believe C0nC0rdance would be this stupid.  Maintaining the status quo is equal to the claim that the status quo is what is best.  In other words, C0nC0rdance claims that the status quo does not need to be justified by evidence.  How the fuck is this a fundamental of critical thinking?  Oh GOD, the stupid, it BURNS!!!!

Where he misses the boat is thinking that the status quo is the same as inaction.  Inaction of government would be LIBERTY, not the status quo.  The status quo is just the present condition of the state and its policies, what ever they may be. To say that the status quo is the NULL is to say that opportunity costs don't matter when fundamental critical thinking should tell everybody that they do.  See, this is the problem with statists, they have no concept of opportunity costs!  As C0nc0rdance admits, the NULL of an action is inaction, but this should then translate to mean that the NULL of government action is government inaction, not government doing the same damn thing it has done before.

How could somebody as smart as C0nc0rdance bet this stupid?
(NOT a fail quote. Emphasis added by me)

If memory serves, opportunity costs (in economics as I learned it) was:  If you have x, you can't have y
And vice versa.
So is there another definition to it?
Either way, how does this relate to the status quo and inaction in the way you put it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ex_Nihil0 on November 14, 2010, 03:42:36 AM
There is an opportunity cost because resources spent on particular government actions.  In other words, the money we have been spending and continue to spend on X (Continued Government Action) could be used to spent on Y.  Y would be anything from some other government project to something you spend the money on because your tax burden was lessened by the government not spending money on X anymore.

Does that explain it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 14, 2010, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: Ex_Nihil0 on November 14, 2010, 03:42:36 AM
There is an opportunity cost because resources spent on particular government actions.  In other words, the money we have been spending and continue to spend on X (Continued Government Action) could be used to spent on Y.  Y would be anything from some other government project to something you spend the money on because your tax burden was lessened by the government not spending money on X anymore.

Does that explain it?
I think I've got it.
Basically, they don't understand what me and Shane call the Broken Window Fallacy.
And yes, it's something that pretty much every single person working in a school (college, K-12, etc) that I've interacted with in real life can't seem to get.
The collapse of the state / end of the dollar is going to hit them like shovel.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 17, 2010, 01:57:51 PM
"liberals are selfless, libertarians are fucking selfish" - eugeneonegin09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVPu-jyWvQY)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 17, 2010, 08:59:22 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on November 17, 2010, 01:57:51 PM
"liberals are selfless, libertarians are fucking selfish" - eugeneonegin09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVPu-jyWvQY)

I loved my response to the guy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 19, 2010, 12:38:30 PM
"The recession is over." --Ben Bernanke on the current crisis, stated at least a year ago.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 19, 2010, 09:15:23 PM
Check out the "DUMBASS HALL OF FAME" on RaymondDundas's channel: http://www.youtube.com/RaymondDundas
Lots of good fail quotes there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 20, 2010, 11:40:00 AM
I had this little run in with some idiot/troll who thinks he's being cute in the comments to this video:
[yt]70lkobYY0Hc[/yt]

In red are the fail quotes.

Me:  "Solution: Abolish Government."

mrpotatohead34:  "aka democrats :3"

Me:  "And republicans.
Abolish ALL government. :3"

mrpotatohead34: "and hire hungry gorrilla?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 20, 2010, 02:50:52 PM
[yt]X_cdm-fnTQU[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on November 20, 2010, 06:34:29 PM
I hate to say this to you but... hungry gorilla has my vote... do you want to make something of it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 20, 2010, 06:49:33 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on November 20, 2010, 06:34:29 PMI hate to say this to you but... hungry gorilla has my vote... do you want to make something of it?

You don't scare me. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ex_Nihil0 on November 21, 2010, 02:42:31 AM
Every time I see What About Bob, I imagine his videos are part of some doctor supervised therapy for anger management.  Ugh, neocons make me ill with there caveman logic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 21, 2010, 10:40:26 AM
On both accounts, good, then it's not just me...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 21, 2010, 11:54:41 AM
"@vspqbd You wouldn't be able to make a positive case against slavery? He's not saying the status quo is good, just that it's the default and we should justify any change."--KaraRvn on C0nc0rdance's raw milk video...
Gotta love the state religion, you know?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 21, 2010, 12:22:13 PM
"Capitalism & socialism are both redistributions of wealth. One redistributes it upwards, the other spreads it out which is why you'll be hard pressed to find either a billionaire or a homeless person in Denmark. Why redistribute at all?"--Proteanview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roGiuuB__Dw)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 21, 2010, 12:26:25 PM
"Myth: Regulation is to blame for unemployment
Fact: OVER Regulation is only one of many contributing factors, simply blaming it on regulation is a gross over simplification of the global and domestic economic situation, ignoring a wide range of factors such as worker redundancy, exploitation of desperate labor, insufficient education for tech jobs, economy of scale, and so much more.

But by the look of you, you're an internet troll."--GodlessInfinity on my YouTube channel.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 21, 2010, 02:35:54 PM
The word "troll" has really turned in to something you say to dismiss arguments of any kind. Kinda like Vogter calling everyone that criticizes him a strawman.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 21, 2010, 04:11:46 PM
Yup.
Whenever anyone seems to criticize Vogter2100, that person will be called a troll, and the criticism a strawman.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 21, 2010, 10:05:00 PM
Vogter just saw smart people using the term and figured using it himself would make himself smart.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 22, 2010, 11:49:23 AM
QuoteYes but we must live in the country as it is, not as we wish it was. There are thousands of laws on the books that address marriage, including tax laws. Rather than overturn each and every single one of those laws, it's easier to add to the existing laws.

The government will never get out of the business of marriage because it is legally binding and impacts many other laws addressing child custody, domestic abuse, military service, and disability just to name a few.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2010, 10:16:55 AM
This one will require a bit of context.

Before reading the comments to follow, I would suggest watching this video so that you'll know what we're talking about.  Or at least scrolling to the scene beginning around 5:20 ish:
[yt]8pa8duiMiS0[/yt]

As usual, the fails are in red:

Me: "5:57 - True, but the news guy said "Global Warming ALARMISTS" (caps for emphasis) he didn't say that was what the scientists said in that bit."

Desertphile (in response to my comment):  "You are of course 100% correct. The alarmists on the subject are the hysterical fascist nutcases like Glen Beck and FOX "News" obeyers why insist AGW did not happen and is not happening."

Another one on the same video:
"'...misunderstood by both proponents and critics of climate science.'
Proponents of climate change? What, are they homicidal sociopaths?! Who the bloody hell are climate change proponents?"--Desertphile

Though I agree that Climate Change is real, I also agree that the Climate Change alarmists are total cultists about it...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2010, 03:01:30 PM
[yt]exiCcOcjbBY[/yt]

Someone is in serious need of Stefan Molyneux's book, Universally Preferable Behaviour.
I linked him to it in the description.
Here's hoping he gives it a read.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2010, 03:11:02 PM
QuoteThe problem with the scanners isn't nudity. It's that they represent how America always goes for the biggest, DUMBEST, most cost-ineffective brute-force method that the military-industrial complex can buy. Instead of dogs, we have $150K scanners that were heavily lobbied for. Instead of intelligence ops and diplomacy, we have decade-long $4 trillion wars. Obama is a very effective follower of a feeble-minded electorate that seems to like this approach.
--EdwardCurrent's comment on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Pr31H6Wus)
Emphasis on the part that is a fail.

Last time I checked, about 75% of people OPPOSE the war...
In fact, one of the reasons Obama was elected was because he said (at least in some of his speeches at some point) that he would withdraw from the wars...
I hate to break it to the real EdwardCurrent (who is a liberal atheist) but...
Obama LIED to you...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2010, 07:51:34 PM
[yt]DWrMeBR8W-c[/yt]

This video and every comment save for mine, Morrakiu's, and Apptendo's are all epic fail quotes.

A sample:  "ANTI-FREEDOM?!?!?!?!! I'm some one actually fighting and you call me anti-freedom. You are such an ignprant fool calling me anti-freedom. You should never EVER say that to any soldier or Veteran. You could be killed by saying that!"

Because nothing says pro-freedom quite like death threats.
And people wonder why I'm not a minarchist...
The state military needs to go even moreso than the welfare-state.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 26, 2010, 02:15:59 PM
[yt]bH1pSYprQdI[/yt]
Major fail...
That entire channel is fail...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 27, 2010, 03:26:27 AM
The existence of MaoistRebel just shows that sometimes, even the most ridiculous stereotypes are real.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 27, 2010, 09:53:40 PM
"All libertarians are affluent" - Atticana source (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=Na4XbRSc8II)
Well, except for the ones that aren't...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 27, 2010, 10:00:10 PM
"You have no idea...Check out his channel page for what he calls, '1.4 people being killing by capitalism'." --Me, in my response to FlowCell about MaoistRebelNews2's userpage.
Yeah, I made a fail quote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 27, 2010, 10:11:46 PM
[yt]eujMbxea3b8[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on November 27, 2010, 10:46:57 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on November 27, 2010, 09:53:40 PM
"All libertarians are affluent" - Atticana source (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=Na4XbRSc8II)
Well, except for the ones that aren't...

Speaking of which, where's my fail quote you promised? I thought I was going to get a chance to debate someone on a relevant topic without a 500 character limit. Besides, I owe you one for that virgin remark, don't I? :-P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on November 28, 2010, 07:49:37 AM
My question is, where were you when the dead lift was last seen alive?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 28, 2010, 04:45:47 PM
I've split off the side discussion into its own topic: https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=579.0

Back to Teh Failz!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 28, 2010, 09:49:16 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 28, 2010, 04:45:47 PMBack to Teh Failz!

I aim to please!

QuoteIf he was really "dirt poor" he's wouldn't be so happy. He is in fact RICH and his literally *hundreds* of videos championing the free market is adequate proof of that. Middle class Americans don't eat Sorbet. They eat Sherbert. Likewise they don't use a bidet. They use normal toilets. Buyings Spinney's BS is like buying the delusion that capitalism can save our tanking economy.
--JonPaulDorn
Source:  [yt]8jvbztaHRCY[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 29, 2010, 01:03:51 AM
"Gene variations between individuals is greater than between races, What does 'cascading gene expression' mean?"--Source (http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/7/7d/Emocrat20.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 29, 2010, 06:07:47 AM
QuoteLikewise they don't use a bidet. They use normal toilets.

Um...PLEASE tell me he doesn't poo in a bidet when he travels!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on November 29, 2010, 11:56:26 AM
As long as he does'nt use it to wash his shoes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 29, 2010, 04:21:20 PM
Or brush his teeth.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 29, 2010, 10:45:43 PM
Quote from: ReliableInsider@LordCustos3
There IS actually something worse than tyranny of the majority:
tyranny of the MINORITY.

And there is something better than tyranny of the majority:
democracy.

When the world is full of whackaloons, we need better schools, not 'better' dictators.
Then the educated will see the wisdom of electing non-dictators.
Gotta love the democracy apologists.

The source is from the comments of this video:
[yt]pkXJ0I93w9w[/yt]


Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ex_Nihil0 on November 30, 2010, 02:46:20 AM
Wow, that LordCustos3 quote is so full of stupid, it burns. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 30, 2010, 03:05:19 PM
Actually, ReliableInsider was the author of the quote.  It was just addressed toLordCusto3, as stated.
Also, I added a source to the fail quote, just in case you want to see it in full context.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on November 30, 2010, 09:16:18 PM
[yt]wEOIY7eGaTc[/yt]

Speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 30, 2010, 09:49:19 PM
The title and video description, not what Tom Woods says, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 30, 2010, 11:42:48 PM
[yt]29ucNJBZS38[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 30, 2010, 11:51:35 PM
Quote from: MadLegit360For all the free people who still protest, you're welcome, we protect you and you are protected by the best. Your voice is strong and loud, but who will fight for you? No one standing in your crowd. WE are your fathers, brothers, and sons, wearing the boots, and carrying the guns. WE are the ones who leave all we own, to make sure your future is carved in stone. WE are the ones who fight and die. WE may not be able to save the world, well at least we try. WE walked the paths to where we are at, and want no other choice than that. So when YOU rally your group to complain, take a look in the back of your brain. In order for that flag you love to fly, wars must be fought, and young men must die. We came here to fight for the ones we hold dear, if that's not respected, we would rather stay here. So please put down your signs, and pray for those behind enemy lines. When the conflict is over and all is well, BE THANKFUL WE CHOSE TO GO THROUGH HELL!

Quote from: NARproductionsYou are a miserable creature who has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than yourself. Many men have died for your right to say what you want, and you cant even show a shred of respect for them, you even dare mock them. Think real hard about the freedoms you have and how many sons, daughters, fathers, and mothers died so that you can have them. I plan to join the Marine Corps here soon, and I will keep in my mind the fact i'm putting my life on the line everyday, living through hell, so that you may go on the internet and call me and my fellow soldiers "Pocket queens", and I'll gladly do it. You're welcome

Gotta love patriotic/nationalistic retards.
I swear, the more I listen to people who support or are in the army (and stories about them), the more they sound like members of the mafia.

Found those quotes on this YouTube user page: http://www.youtube.com/vspqbd
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 01, 2010, 12:34:10 AM
One is a Halo tard and the other one is a Modern Warfare tard. Speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on December 01, 2010, 01:34:05 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on November 30, 2010, 11:51:35 PM
Gotta love patriotic/nationalistic retards.
I swear, the more I listen to people who support or are in the army (and stories about them), the more they sound like members of the mafia.

Found those quotes on this YouTube user page: http://www.youtube.com/vspqbd

I'm just pondering how much I'm willing to bet the above posters are simply fans of the aforementioned video games/the armed forces and aren't actually in the military? I mean, personally, I've never run into someone with that attitude who was actually IN the military, but that may just be me. 2 of the 3 ex-marines I know are tournament-level 'Magic the Gathering' players, and the third a philosophy teacher. The army guys are all regular department heads at various anime conventions, and their specializations usually weren't combat-centric (Satellite communications (don't remember technical term), field medic, etc), except for one who was an MP, and even he doesn't have that kind of attitude. He is a little bit... off-kilter, though. And he's obsessed with furries. Once lobbed an apple core at one during a convention from three stories up.

What was I talking about?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 01, 2010, 07:13:23 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on November 30, 2010, 11:51:35 PM
Gotta love patriotic/nationalistic retards.

Right, as if you can't be free unless some other people have committed acts of violent aggression against people you've never even met.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ex_Nihil0 on December 01, 2010, 02:18:10 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 01, 2010, 07:13:23 AM
Right, as if you can't be free unless some other people have committed acts of violent aggression against people you've never even met.


Which begs the question, why are Libertarians and Anarchists on YouTube suddenly turning towards nationalism?  I think you all know of which individuals I speak.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 01, 2010, 09:13:34 PM
Quote from: Ex_Nihil0 on December 01, 2010, 02:18:10 PM
Which begs the question, why are Libertarians and Anarchists on YouTube suddenly turning towards nationalism?  I think you all know of which individuals I speak.
Being a moral nihilist seems to have that effect on people...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 01, 2010, 09:14:59 PM
"@vspqbd Being rational is even a part of the status quo giving the society." - HybridD91 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QuduG4CCyc)
I couldn't even PARSE that...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 01, 2010, 11:50:39 PM
Quote from: dragonguitar777@supersmash43 show me one place in the Bible that demo[n]strate God's abuse of power. God IS love; there is nothing He does that contradicts His nature, or else He would cease to be God.
- source (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65y4smgn6hI)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 02, 2010, 11:50:03 PM
"@DutchsMaria - , according to the constitution, congress' vote and the president's signature, absolutely makes it constitutional

you don't seem to understand law very well"--sfiorare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh5oKTY9PoY)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 03, 2010, 06:02:04 AM
And that's where in Article V?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 03, 2010, 06:56:32 AM
Right under the section dealing with prohibiting dead cats stuffed with popcorn to run for a official office.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 03, 2010, 02:29:14 PM
[yt]wmrO8Jq4cH4[/yt]

A fail quote because they associate that stuff with capitalism.
Now, if they called him, "Captain Corporatism", it would have been a Win Quote. :3
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 03, 2010, 03:17:00 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on December 03, 2010, 02:29:14 PM
[yt]wmrO8Jq4cH4[/yt]

A fail quote because they associate that stuff with capitalism.
Now, if they called him, "Captain Corporatism", it would have been a Win Quote. :3

That beginning was really ironic to me, because eagleeye1975 argued a couple of months back with a socialist friend of his, and she argued for what the captain was saying. But instead of that little boy right there, it was the rich people that were hoarding their money and crippling our economy by not spending.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 03, 2010, 08:30:37 PM
From the comments of this video:
[yt]74RUZqUsmh0[/yt]

As usual, the fails are in red.

nolan067:  this video is pure hilarious, but really, alex is a genius so go fuck yourself.

Me: "'alex is a genius'
ROFLMAO!
Cool story, bro. :P"

nolan067:  "he is and you know it, he is a leader and your a troll."

Me:  " /watch?v=IBdSl7yeIiw "

In another thread with this Alextard:

Me:  "I wouldn't be surprised if Alex Jones honestly thinks this."

nolan067:  "your an idiot, alex jones is on the ball 99.9% of the time."

Me:  " /watch?v=IBdSl7yeIiw "

nolan067:  "pure hilarous, but sad story, you're still an idiot. You can try to insult my intellect but it won't work, go make some more videos about free markets."

Me:  "You gotta be shitting me."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 04, 2010, 01:42:02 AM
You know, you just could've said "You know who else was a leader? Adolf Hitler!" There you would've had a show stopper AND invoked godwins law.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 05, 2010, 01:47:38 AM
"Now, an army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of crap. The bilious bastards who wrote that stuff about individuality for the Saturday Evening Post don't know anything more about real battle than they do about fornicating."--General George Smith Patton, Jr's Address to the 3rd Army

If Individuality is such a bad thing, had he considered moving to Soviet Russia?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 05, 2010, 03:46:40 AM
Ahh, good old Patton, why could'nt you bastard die for your country... preferably before the war started.
Say, I read this bit that he was in the habbit of shooting soldiers that surrenderd to him, is this true?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 05, 2010, 04:13:25 PM
(http://www.norelpref.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/no-exit-libertarianism-anarchy-for-rich-people.gif)
In light of the mini conversation between me and Shane on the Statism & H0 thread.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 07, 2010, 06:17:19 PM
"Morality comes from God."--Every theocratic, pseudo-intellectual assclown who has never bothered to read the Bible.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 07, 2010, 08:12:18 PM
Well, if you think about it it makes sense. Who has no morals? God. And why? Because he gave it all away.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 08, 2010, 02:57:54 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 08, 2010, 03:43:09 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on December 08, 2010, 02:57:54 PM
[yt]bf2h158uZI0&[/yt]

Considering that Bowden thinks that the Earth is the fixed, motionless center of the universe...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 09, 2010, 01:36:04 AM
... You mean it is'nt?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 09, 2010, 10:04:12 AM
Use Ctrl + f to find posts by "B190489" on this video's comment section: [yt]pSwMEtuL-GQ[/yt]

Some of my personal favorites:

B190489:  "Democracy = rule of the majority
Majority kills minority (Probability 10%) = still democracy
Majority decides to prohibit killings (Probability 90%) = democracy"

B190489: "Democracy is the only way how we can organize our common life, while protecting our freedom rights. Everybody has a vote. In the brutal reality in cowboy country without government, people will restrict your freedom rights without consequences like government imprisioning etc. There you have no vote, no representatives.

A world without forces who control others is not possible in a world where you are not living alone in. You have just the choice between Democracy and Dictatorship"

B190489: "No, if you are for equal rights you have to be pro equal pay, pro anti-discrimination laws, etc.
You are against this? So you are no statist and not pro freedom.
Some rights need services. Like a law which prohibits killings need the service of police. No police a valid law. That is what you want, no government force right? lol"


Just to name a few.
So how many logical fallacies can you find in the above fail quotes?

So you see, FlowCell, I can't stand it when Statheists bitch about theists appealing to the popularity of theism while using the exact same fallacy for the legitimacy of the state (Democracy and Appeal to the Majority/Appeal to Popularity).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 09, 2010, 11:55:37 AM
Wait a second, is that the Vault Tech logo?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 09, 2010, 12:58:39 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on December 09, 2010, 10:04:12 AMB190489: "Democracy is the only way how we can organize our common life, while protecting our freedom rights. Everybody has a vote. In the brutal reality in cowboy country without government, people will restrict your freedom rights without consequences like government imprisioning etc. There you have no vote, no representatives.

Yeah, and you can't be good without God, either.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 09, 2010, 05:36:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 09, 2010, 12:58:39 PMYeah, and you can't be good without God, either.

Earlier today I got these gem,
B190489:  "It doesn't matter if god exists, people shall believe what they believe.
The topic was government and democracy. Government is needed to organize our common life. We need rules and laws to shape the society. No government/laws/force = chaos/private dictatorships.
If you all call democracy, dictatorship of the majority, i would prefer it against the dictatorship of a minority. There is no third option.
It's logical people, think about it!"

B190489:  "Dictatorship and Democracy is a contradiction.
Read it on Wikipedia or somewhere else!"

So I guess in his imagery world Hitler wasn't elected to office...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 10, 2010, 01:31:46 AM
"Also the constitution is rather clear in it's allowance of unlimited state power. I suggest you read it again while suspending your preconceptions. You'll see that it is terrifically vague."--Fringeelements (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKdlMNxul_4)
Long since refuted by AHPMB, Shane and Me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 10, 2010, 06:51:36 AM
Yeah, nothing specific at all about that 10th Amendment, no sirree Bob...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 10, 2010, 11:08:07 PM
From this video's comment section: [yt]3nw0eZe2J9A[/yt]

omegahpla:  "Depends on who's asking and their definition. You mean about spelling, or something monumental like that? I'm not really into it & you're not really into cause & effect, history, economics, or information puzzles so I guess we'll never find true happiness together here on YouTube. Don't be too sad, some times it just doesn't work out."
After being asked if he has anything of substance to say.

omegahpla:  "Yeah, that's called raw theory : ) Not that I totally disgree, but lets see you account for that one."
After being shown proof that wars and state funding hinder, as opposed to help science and technology.

Just to name a scant few.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2010, 01:55:14 AM
Woo boy.
I posted Shane's source and the like about Pintos on this video: [yt]cD0dmRJ0oWg[/yt]

And got this steaming pile of stupid:

hieronomy:  "and the government frequently acts in the interests of the so called ' private sector '
an example of which is the presciption drug teat salaciuosly lapped upon by La
Farmacia ( Big Pharma ).
........and babies arent forced to play with lead laced toys and if they do they ...get what they deserve ?? fucking idiot"

Am I the only one who finds it utterly despicable when people try to use the young ('the children' and infants) as a cheap rhetorical tool?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2010, 02:20:54 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 10, 2010, 06:51:36 AMYeah, nothing specific at all about that 10th Amendment, no sirree Bob...

He's also one of those idiots claiming that the 14th Amendment is a 'red amendment'.  Why? He doesn't say.  His source? He gives none.
I've heard another person saying that the 14th Amendment is what makes individuals liable for the gov't debt (again, while calling it a 'red amendment'). Again, doing nothing to support or back up his claims.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2010, 04:02:59 PM
"2 points:

Fuck with the bull, you get the horns.

Secondly, the citizens were definitively for their current political stance.

Nice anime poster in the background, can you smell your own bias?"--Rangerfury144 on this video:
[yt]6bboqH5u6bo[/yt]

"Rofl - your ignorance hurts my brain. So because we bombed one country, once, who was a far more volatile poltical state than even the middle east is now. All bombing of all civilian areas is legit. Are you a fucking serious? I'm washing my hands of your down syndrome. See ya."--Rangerfury144 on this video:
[yt]dwhaNU9t4R4[/yt]

"Really? Cause the US wanted to keep trading with Germany after WW I and didn't want strict economic restrictions on them, which is one of the things the Treaty of Versailles did. So in really the economic restrictions were probably negotiated down by the US meaning Germany would have had a worst economy had the US not entered the war."--TRMerc in response to me saying that the Treaty of Versailles would not have been enacted if the US gov't stayed out of WWI.
On this video:
[yt]Ff1picZAWc0[/yt]

Gotta love nationalist/neocon retards and their caveman logic...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 11, 2010, 05:42:37 PM
Washing my hands of your down syndrome...
That.. that does'nt make any sense, does it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 11, 2010, 07:23:39 PM
When has that ever stopped you before?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 11, 2010, 07:49:06 PM
Look, Shane. If you really want to make a video series where you look behind myths and mysteries, why not look into the matter as of why my bogometer keeps falling despite my best efforts.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 11, 2010, 09:28:52 PM
You just might be forced to accept the fact that, despite your attempts at some sort of reverse verisimilitude, you're actually a pretty cool guy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on December 12, 2010, 12:45:36 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 11, 2010, 09:28:52 PM
You just might be forced to accept the fact that, despite your attempts at some sort of reverse verisimilitude, you're actually a pretty cool guy.

He's the Elim Garak of the Deep Spaxe Nine that is the bogosity.tv forums. Or is that the Quark?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 12, 2010, 03:33:36 AM
How about both?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 12, 2010, 03:37:27 AM
Ayyy.
(http://innocentdrinks.typepad.com/dev/images/2007/10/22/fonzie.jpg)

...just kidding. ;)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2010, 04:48:36 PM
"For the same reason that paying taxes and serving on juries is compulsory. A "free" society is not an anarchy, and people still need to play by the rules of society. In the case of a democracy or other participatory government, society at large needs to have the capacity to actually participate. Since people weren't developing that capacity in their children, it was found necessary to make it legally mandatory."--drKitten on this thread:  http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=193871
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2010, 04:52:12 PM
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=194639
Filled with fail quotes.
The title alone made me facepalm.

http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=6
Groan.
The titles alone on some of those say it all.
Those threads can't be going anywhere good...

PS: My apologies to Shane if I have accidentally re-opened up any old wounds.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 12, 2010, 05:20:00 PM
I gave up on those boards before I even registered. Or maybe I did actually register  ???
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 12, 2010, 06:19:16 PM
Good thing the JREF is'nt the JREF Message Boards.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 13, 2010, 12:28:11 AM
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The saddest thing about this video?
The guy who made it claims to be 46 years old.
I seriously thought a 10 year old made it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 13, 2010, 04:08:06 AM
That... That was'nt a real video by a real person, right?
That was just some satirists sad attempt at being witty and biting and failing at it, right? ...right?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 14, 2010, 07:00:17 PM
"A person with a IQ of 110 today belongs to the avarage category, Since an an eye-queue of 100 points is normalized to the avarge of the population; because the standard-deviation s=15 points. Since 1999, the eye-queue decreases in all western nations between 3...15 points per decade. Consequently, such a person stood at or below the avarage in 1999. Consequently, he could be used e.g. for simple office works. The eye-queue is NOT a complete measurement of intelligence. Fluidic intelligence- and problem-solving strategies are not accordingly recorded. A better indicator is, how many persons are required to do a particular job - connected to all aspects of intelligence. While in 2001, 1 person could perform a demanding office job in my country, today 3 persons are required - for the same work. Consequently, we can say, the effective decline of intelligence is about 67% per decade. Thus, in 2021, we need 9 people for the fore mentioned job and in 2031, 27 people will be required, etc.."--debrainwasher posted on this profile page (http://www.youtube.com/olokun80)

So who wants to tell this guy that "idiocracy" is not a reliable source of scientific knowledge, or any knowledge at all?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 14, 2010, 07:20:01 PM
Or just mention the Flynn Effect to him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 14, 2010, 07:47:21 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on December 14, 2010, 07:00:17 PM
"A person with a IQ of 110 today belongs to the avarage category, Since an an eye-queue of 100 points is normalized to the avarge of the population; because the standard-deviation s=15 points. Since 1999, the eye-queue decreases in all western nations between 3...15 points per decade. Consequently, such a person stood at or below the avarage in 1999. Consequently, he could be used e.g. for simple office works. The eye-queue is NOT a complete measurement of intelligence. Fluidic intelligence- and problem-solving strategies are not accordingly recorded. A better indicator is, how many persons are required to do a particular job - connected to all aspects of intelligence. While in 2001, 1 person could perform a demanding office job in my country, today 3 persons are required - for the same work. Consequently, we can say, the effective decline of intelligence is about 67% per decade. Thus, in 2021, we need 9 people for the fore mentioned job and in 2031, 27 people will be required, etc.."--debrainwasher posted on this profile page (http://www.youtube.com/olokun80)

So who wants to tell this guy that "idiocracy" is not a reliable source of scientific knowledge, or any knowledge at all?

Poe's Law
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 14, 2010, 08:19:09 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on December 13, 2010, 04:08:06 AM
That... That was'nt a real video by a real person, right?
That was just some satirists sad attempt at being witty and biting and failing at it, right? ...right?!

The words you're looking for are "Poe's Law" and no, he seems pretty genuine to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 14, 2010, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 14, 2010, 07:20:01 PMOr just mention the Flynn Effect to him.

Or that bullshit unfalsifiable anecdotes are worthless as far as scientific claims go.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 14, 2010, 08:32:58 PM
The fails, as usual, are in red:

Me (in response to this guy doxxing someone):  "@shadowgeyser
Where'd you find all that?"

shadowgeyser: "I also have his phone number and street address. Interested?
Despite youtube's 'rules' what I'm doing is not illegal. It's free public information contained in any phonebook."

And it doesn't make it any less of a dick move.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 15, 2010, 01:54:40 AM
"5% to 6% global plant production decline in the past ten years, linked to CO2-caused climate change. 40% of the world's phytoplankton gone. Corrals bleaching; oceans turning more acidic. 3c to 4c temperature increase expected within 90 years. And that's the GOOD news. Glaciers melting and not reforming means loss of drinking water for nearly 1 billion people."--Desertphile Source (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3vIWD4tAHc)

"The score so far: two studies, one poll, and one survey reported the same findings: scientific consensus about AGW is better than 97%. More than 30,000 peer-reviewed science papers on the subject, by over 600 science organizations world-wide, written by more than 3,100 science teams---- and the best the reality-deniers have is FOX 'news' and a fake English lord."--Desertphile Source (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3vIWD4tAHc)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 15, 2010, 06:11:54 AM
He's talking about Lord Battman I mean Mountbattoon here, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 16, 2010, 02:40:48 AM
"You watch the watchers by voting."--funisverygood
Because nothing says "Fail Quote" quite like a self-detonating/internally contradicting argument.

Source of the Fail Quote is the comment section of this video: [yt]oR0ZXu5brQo[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 18, 2010, 02:42:22 PM
"You want to know how? After analysing a lot of pro-choice essays and comments, I came to that conclussion, you guys think that abortion must be a way of mercy-killing, due to, if the babies are born, they won't enjoy the same benefits as if they're wanted children."--GohanLSSJ2 in the comments to this video: [yt]8LW1kbFsDC4[/yt]

1) Of said essays, he cited none of.
2) No, the support comes from the fact that the baby is a part of the mother's body until it is born, and as such, the mother has a right to do with as she pleases.  Where he gets this, "mercy killing" shit is beyond me.

Many of us, (Stefan, Shane, Lord T Hawkeye, myself and others) are against abortion. We have just accepted the reality that government prohibition doesn't work.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 19, 2010, 08:26:54 PM
During a conversation with me and my conservative friend (The same one that prompted me to start this thread (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=177.0)), I stated this,

Me: "So who do you trust, the people, or the government?"

Conservative Friend: "Heh.  I trust neither."

And yet throughout that in that conversation, he constantly treats government as the default winner...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 19, 2010, 09:00:29 PM
Well they have lots of gun.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 20, 2010, 04:07:19 PM
QuoteThe internet was built and created around open standards. This didn't happen by accident - but was the result of regulation in the first place. Net Neutrality keeps those standards - so for example a broadband company cannot restrict your bandwidth to only corporate websites.

From the comments:
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Is there some truth in this?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 20, 2010, 05:02:47 PM
And from the comments of that same video:

"We're screwed either way. Left to their own devices, ISPs will eventually find some reason to restrict or limit access to certain sites. Even if the FCC's initial net neutrality legislation doesn't include a means to impose censorship, granting them any regulatory powers will eventually reduce the internet to what broadcast media has become.

Any binary choice between government and corporation always results in the loss of the average person to the profit of special interests."--Highest rated comment as of this posting.

Yeah, yet another ignoramus who doesn't understand what a corporation, definitionally, is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 20, 2010, 05:12:44 PM
Am I the only one who remembers when AOL had the lion's share of internet users? They tried restricting content and it didn't work!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 20, 2010, 05:55:39 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 20, 2010, 05:12:44 PMAm I the only one who remembers when AOL had the lion's share of internet users? They tried restricting content and it didn't work!

It seems you are the only one who remembers this.
Reminds me of the people who think Rockefeller hurt the market with predatory pricing.
When in reality, he tried to do this, and failed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 25, 2010, 02:02:15 AM
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[yt]joanVUoXY0s[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 26, 2010, 01:34:56 AM
[yt]gJ69X1qt4sQ[/yt]

(To the Tune of ICP's, "Miracles"):
FUCKING PROPAGANDA, HOW DOES THAT WORK?
FUCKING FALSE DICHOTOMIES AFTER IT RAINS THERE'S ENOUGH STUPIDITY HERE TO BLOW YOUR BRAINS!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 26, 2010, 06:41:53 PM
"Democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."--Winston Churchill
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 27, 2010, 02:28:36 PM
Groan...Another wordsmithing asshole:

ShootMyMonkey: "Your exact words were that I supported a monopolistic gov't and to say after the fact that you only meant to say that all gov'ts are monopolistic is weak rationalization at best.

"Something that free marketeers take into account better."

By saying that it will fix itself given time. That's not really taking it into account at all.

"Why do people in the gov't get a free pass from doing this wrong?"

Nobody says they do. Just that that alone doesn't intrinsically make gov't an evil thing"

ShootMyMonkey: ""Irrelevant."

Only because you feel that it's far more correct to assume what someone else supports is what you think it is.

You also seem to choose wordings which equate freedom with anarchy.

Now, obviously, the ideal role of government in economics would be to mitigate the costs of damning effects and influences (e.g. antitrust laws), though history has destroyed that possibility.To take that as proof that the opposite extreme that no gov't is infinitely superior is stupid at best."

From the comments of this video:  [yt]Ff1picZAWc0[/yt]

If he honestly thinks that gov't is NOT a monopoly, he's deluding himself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2010, 09:16:47 PM
[yt]_YBAWzCnsjE[/yt]

A decent video for the first minute and a half.
Then around 1:35 he makes a nolan-ish chart for theism, atheism, agnosticism, etc, and it all goes downhill from there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 30, 2010, 10:20:09 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 09, 2010, 12:58:39 PMYeah, and you can't be good without God, either.

Yeah, gotta love these democracy worshipers huh?
He keeps saying that, "Democracy and dictatorship are mutually exclusive! Check the Wikipedia entry!"
So how much do you want to bet he:
a. Hasn't read it and/or
b. Doesn't understand it.
And even barring that, if he wants me to read it instead of using that as a distraction, he needs to tell me the part of it I need to read, exactly. I'm NOT wading through a several page article just to find that.
Also, if he thinks democracy is the only way to defend our rights and any other way leads to tyranny, he desperately needs to study history...

I also posted a bit about Hitler being elected through democratic elections.
It will be fun watching him try to weasel out of that, or, God forbid, try to defend that.
As I also said to him (not a fail quote), "Your God, Democracy, is a failure. Accept it and move on."

I also sent him a link to one of Stefan's videos on the subject.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2010, 01:32:12 AM
*EDIT*  The crap Shane had to put up with from Global Warming Alarmists from the following video's comment section are the fail quotes *NOT* the video itself.

[yt]YWFbjBwEGfM[/yt]
Shane's debate with alarmists in the comment section about three years ago was also pretty sweet too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 31, 2010, 07:56:34 AM
You should see some of the conversations on his Facebook page. I actually enjoy it when he and David Gorski go at each other...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2010, 12:05:00 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 31, 2010, 07:56:34 AM
You should see some of the conversations on his Facebook page. I actually enjoy it when he and David Gorski go at each other...

I actually meant to post Tim's video in Fav Quotes, hence why I just had to edit my above post a bit.  My bad.  It was really really late.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2010, 12:27:12 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on December 30, 2010, 10:20:09 PM
Yeah, gotta love these democracy worshipers huh?
He keeps saying that, "Democracy and dictatorship are mutually exclusive! Check the Wikipedia entry!"
So how much do you want to bet he:
a. Hasn't read it and/or
b. Doesn't understand it.
And even barring that, if he wants me to read it instead of using that as a distraction, he needs to tell me the part of it I need to read, exactly. I'm NOT wading through a several page article just to find that.
Also, if he thinks democracy is the only way to defend our rights and any other way leads to tyranny, he desperately needs to study history...

I also posted a bit about Hitler being elected through democratic elections.
It will be fun watching him try to weasel out of that, or, God forbid, try to defend that.
As I also said to him (not a fail quote), "Your God, Democracy, is a failure. Accept it and move on."

I also sent him a link to one of Stefan's videos on the subject.

And I responded to his points about democracy being the "well of the people" with "So is gang rape."

And I get this pile of shit:

"How do you want to avoid this? Do you want to prohibit private military firms?

Democracy is gang rape? Are you stupid? Where in democratic the world is raping allowed? Stupid!

There was no problem in the election of Hitler, the problem was, that he ended democracy, the system you hate so much. Oh, you and Hitler both hate democracy? Are you a facist?"

Gotta love this guy. ^_^

I ask him to prove that a stateless society has no law and is chaos, etc.  He uses Somalia *facepalms*
So I give him this:
"You imbecile. Somalia DOES have a government. and it's very repressive. Just try setting up a land line phone there and see just how "without" a government they are. For your benefit: /watch?v=qtGkTRnocZI /watch?v=OBuPECU0_P0 /watch?v=Qk0tlZ2hZiY /watch?v=KDb9pTmSWq4 You fail. And while I'm at it: /watch?v=m-LJ3wZjD4I /watch?v=aBm6U3yzLzI "

And how does he respond to my sources and points?
With this:
"Somalia has NO government, the government rules over 2 blocks of the capital. In fact, no government that rules over the country = libertarianism."

To which I responded with:  "Yes, and repeating your lie doesn't make it true.

Sorry. :P"

Here's the video where this is taking place:  [yt]pSwMEtuL-GQ[/yt]

His username on youtube is B190489 just so you know. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2010, 12:55:47 PM
And I link the guy to some videos, and I get this stupid:  "I don't care about the video. Where are YOUR arguments???"
How often have we heard that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2010, 01:17:05 PM
And I got this reply after telling him the country (USA) is corporatist.
Something tells me he doesn't even know what that means.
I think this guy's been watching way too much RSAnimated.

His latest reply to me:
"The USA is no corporatist, the unions in your country are a joke. Money is ruling your country since Reagan and it's neoliberal agenda in the 80's.

I prefer to live in west- or northern Europe.

The Police is the state. All the other security forces are private security companies. They can not be the police, because just the security force of the state can be a police force."

Yeah...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 31, 2010, 01:30:32 PM
I bet he's horrible at coming up with puns too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 01, 2011, 01:14:13 PM
Pretty much every post by nofalltoofar on this video: http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=lWBG8byqqUI

Especially the really stupid things, like how he thinks passive voice turns a verb into a noun and has no subject!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 02, 2011, 09:31:37 PM
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The stupidest thing had to be the "public option will foster competition among insurance companies" crap.
Please!  When has ANYTHING government has done EVER fostered competition, ever?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 02, 2011, 09:33:53 PM
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The guy who posted this video to YouTube *IS* aware that every single thing he listed is because of government intervention, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 03, 2011, 05:13:35 PM
"@RaymondDundas
Monopolies are an inevitable reality, There are 5 monkeys.
7 Nuts, 4 monkeys get 1 nut, The biggest mo-fo gets 3.
Oh-Shit, Divide by zero, Your argument fails.
This is childishly simple stuff rofl."--DackIsBack in this video's comment section (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIba6_7Lw1s)

And yet he can't point to a single example of a free market monopoly that was either granted government privilege which aren't free market by definition such as the East India Company, or not monopolies altogether (e.g. Standard Oil).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 03, 2011, 05:46:36 PM
"@shanedk '...then STFU.'

Yup, as mature and sophisticated as always. Try this little koan on for size, black and white thinking is always wrong.

ta"--AutodidacticPhd

So Shane is immature because this guy can't provide any support for his claims?
That's rich...
Gotta love the ironic username.
I swear, the more you see a positive attribute in a youtube username, the less likely it is to apply.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on January 03, 2011, 11:38:50 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on January 03, 2011, 05:13:35 PM
"@RaymondDundas
Monopolies are an inevitable reality, There are 5 monkeys.
7 Nuts, 4 monkeys get 1 nut, The biggest mo-fo gets 3.
Oh-Shit, Divide by zero, Your argument fails.
This is childishly simple stuff rofl."--DackIsBack in this video's comment section (//http://)

And yet he can't point to a single example of a free market monopoly that was either granted government privilege which aren't free market by definition such as the East India Company, or not monopolies altogether (e.g. Standard Oil).

Link doesn't work. And his example makes no sense. Every monkey got a nut, so how does one monkey have a monopoly on all the nuts, when it only got 3 out of the 7? Being bigger than everyone else doesn't make you a monopoly. People who keep acting like it does are either delusional, or intentionally misleading.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 04, 2011, 06:44:59 AM
Quote from: VectorM on January 03, 2011, 11:38:50 PMLink doesn't work.

I fixed it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 04, 2011, 11:12:42 AM
Pretty much every post by sol3a1 on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYWxflErVWk

Especially the really stupid things, like how he conflates a violent monopoly (government) with a matrix of voluntary exchange (free market).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 05, 2011, 01:02:18 AM
What I have read of this article didn't impressed me.  At first, I didn't pay attention to who wrote this, but needless to say I wasn't at all surprised to find out that it was written by David Wong...
5 Reasons The Future Will Be Ruled By B.S. by David Wong (http://www.cracked.com/article_18817_5-reasons-future-will-be-ruled-by-b.s..html)

And based on Shane's prior evaluation of it, I think this next article is long overdue for posting in this thread.
5 Reasons You Should Be Scared of Google by Robert Evans (http://www.cracked.com/article_18540_5-reasons-you-should-be-scared-google.html)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 05, 2011, 08:43:56 AM
Who's David Wong?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 05, 2011, 08:54:14 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on January 05, 2011, 01:02:18 AM
What I have read of this article didn't impressed me.  At first, I didn't pay attention to who wrote this, but needless to say I wasn't at all surprised to find out that it was written by David Wong...
5 Reasons The Future Will Be Ruled By B.S. by David Wong (http://www.cracked.com/article_18817_5-reasons-future-will-be-ruled-by-b.s..html)

Well, I can at least tell that he's an idiot. Example:

QuoteBut then the publisher invented a better book. An indestructible book called an ebook that could be read 10 billion times without ever falling apart. How much does it cost to manufacture this marvel? Not a goddamned penny.

So, writers work for free? Editors don't charge for their service? The people who do the typesetting etc. just do it out of the goodness of their hearts?

He's also wrong about the inevitability of self-destructive electronic products. Anyone else remember the failure of Divx? (The video player, not the codec.)

He's also ignoring the well-established fact that people WILL pay--even voluntarily--for things they find valuable. Someone reading a really good book will support the author, because they want the author to write more books.

Also interesting how he rails about Windows but completely ignores Linux.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on January 05, 2011, 09:17:21 AM
David Wong is a geek version of a stereotypical anti-capitalist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 05, 2011, 09:20:22 AM
I`m a pervy version of a anti-capitalist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 06, 2011, 06:12:19 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 06, 2011, 06:17:16 AM
A fail not for the quote, but what he ended up doing:

"Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better." --Barack Obama, 2006
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2011, 05:13:28 PM
"Without the nation state corporation becomes the state and not just any kind of state but the  worst kind of tyranny. In a nation state at least there is some sort of democratic participation through elections while in corporations workers have absolutely no saying in decisions.

They have to take orders from above and execute them without question or else they get fired.

This crap you're advocating is not free market but a total tyranny. Inequality, wage slavery and subjugation are not freedom."--Grindermetalhead in response to this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHo7LYoJHg0)

So much for GMH being an anarchist...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2011, 06:46:36 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 06, 2011, 06:12:19 AM[yt]KR7xDqJNeTI[/yt]

And the annotation @0:55 - "You can't be 'free from religion' - because unsaved people always have a religion."
Yeah, sorry, but atheism is a religion in the same way 'clear' is a color. (and yes, I nabbed that from one of your posters on that issue. :P)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2011, 06:51:11 PM
His channel background is also a fail quote:  (http://i2.ytimg.com/bg/e59cL4edbS8z1X1PIZ6-ig/101.jpg?app=bg&v=4d24fe79)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 09, 2011, 10:03:42 PM
OK, from the comments of this video:
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Are some fail quotes.  In addition to pretty much every statist dickhead reply to FletchforFreedom, I got into a conversation with one of the wankers myself.
As usual, the fails are in red.

Me: "@FletchforFreedom
I would also add that, in a free market, they could be held liable (responsible) for any damages their product causes."

freedomrings442: "@vspqbd Yes you would also qoute milton friedman im not surprised. So its okay because, in this system you can kill people wth your product, but a court of law can fine you (doesnt bring them back frmo the dead) and then you can subvert the fine or declare bankruptcy or many other loop holes and escape ever paying it. Hmmmmmm. yeah. gotta love it" (Even stranger since I wasn't quoting Friedman.  He did right my post, right?)

Me: "@freedomrings442
For your benefit: /watch?v=xta4c731F-Y
and while I'm at it: /watch?v=fYWxflErVWk"  (I linked him to Shane's video replies to TheAmazingAtheist on pollution, etc, in a free market)

freedomrings442: "@vspqbd like honestly. are you at all aware that companies who cannot pollute their own land, pollute other peoples land? The bayer thing was a great example, they couldnt give the HIV infected medicine to americans, so they dumped it on other countries. THEY NEED MORALS to not act as such. but theyr blinded by the motivation of profit. Sure the may still be greedy, but being in a system that promotes profit making doesnt assist them to become any less greedy."  (*facepalms* He did not watch Shane's videos on the subject, I see...)

Me: "@freedomrings442 Considering I gave you videos rebutting that nonsense, forgive me if I an not impressed with your post." (Especially given he clearly didn't even try to watch said videos in the first place)

freedomrings442: "@vspqbd and i just rebutted your rebuttles. Just bcause a watch dog group stops pollution in one area, doesnt stop the problem caused by the motivation to get profits. They STILL DUMP THE POLLUTION ELSEWHERE. you should look into it a little further. just because some guy on youtube tells you somthing. doesnt make it true. Good video to support your beliefs though. if i stopped there id prolly believe what you beleive to. Go ask somalia what they thnk about pollution okay? thanks"  (Yup, he didn't watch the videos.  Otherwise, he would have noticed the sources provided in the descriptions.  Also, is it just me or can this guy not spell to save his life?)

Me: "@freedomrings442
*facepalms* You do know that Somalia isn't a free market right?
They do have a government. Try putting up a phone line there, and see just how nonexistent their government is.
As for the USA and other countries, if the polluters aren't made to restitution the victims for property damage, that's hardly the fault of the free market.
After all, who monopolizes the courts and police over most of the world?
I'll give you a hint. It's not the free market."

Me: "@freedomrings442
Also, you do know he provided sources for his claims right?
Way to not watch the videos."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 09, 2011, 10:13:30 PM
And his replies to my latest comments:

freedomrings422:  "@vspqbd yes, as i said. but you seem to believe that because a watch dog group helped preserve water in the UK, that the company responsible for the pollution, just magically stopped pollutiing. They still produced a product taht causes pollution, yet you seem to believe the pollution magically disapeared. i repeat. THE POLLUTION IS STILL PUT OUT INTO THE LAND JUST SOMEWHERE ELSE. he didnt seem to mention any of that. i stopped watching after it got to the deforestation for this reason."
(1.  Hasn't this idiot ever heard of crowding out?  Even my less-than-awesome economics text went into that.  2. I never said they would "magically stop polluting".  So his post is nothing but Strawman and Nirvana Fallacies, especially given that governments are the world's biggest polluters, even outside of war.)

freedomrings422:  "@vspqbd you dont think the US or the CIA helps harm the somalian government? why do you think we tried to stop castro in cuba? but the cubans supported him? its because they NEED places liek somalia to dump their polution. you understand that right. you understand there is no huge somalian company that is making massive profits that ispolluting their land. NO its US companies, with the help of the US government. if you really look into things youll see this. I recommend"
(Um...yeah.  He's just handwaving now.)

freedomrings442:  @vspqbd a people history of the united states by howard zinn, its a credible book not a youtube video, and i recommended it earlier. Its a great basis to start real research. you have to be open to everything. Trust me i used to think america was great and could do no wrong just like you, until i actually learned and welcomed other information. THE US WANTS PLACES LIKE SOMALIA SO THAT OUR BUSINESS CAN DUMP POLLUTION THERE. look into united fruit and their business in south america. please.
(Again, ignoring the sources Shane DID provide in the video description.  And he would know that if he had bothered to look...  Also, I'm not reading some book, in place of peer reviewed literature and official historical records, among other good stuff. Sorry.)

freedomrings442: @vspqbd If you cant see how, business interest use lobbyists to influence our government, the businesses within the free market, and you really believe our government is never corrupted and has never been a tool for companies to expand their wealth, i feel extremely soryr for you. You should look into halliburton and their no bid contract on the war. You should look into united fruit in south america as i said. look into things that dont just support your claims. and disprove them.
(*Facepalms* Is this guy fucking stupid or something?  What he describes is corporatism, which is NOT a free market by definition.)

(Geez; 4 near max sized replies to only two, or even one comment?  Damn.  I think I really struck a nerve in this guy. ^^)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on January 10, 2011, 06:10:33 AM
That was a great example of the most common and idiotic case of hypocrisy on the Internet.

"LOL, just because a guy in a video says so, doesn't make it true!"

10 minutes later

"THIS GUY IN THIS BOOK KNOWS IT ALL! YOU MUST BE OPENMINDED"

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on January 14, 2011, 04:55:43 AM
From user named Dead-Eye, in this fun thread: http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=116016

QuoteI would guess VictorM has researched the topic, but is in denial of his findings.

I'm pretty much at the end of my investigation into this matter, at this point there really is so much evidence to suggest a global banking elite controlling world events that to deny it is like denying you have cancer when your hair has fallen out of you're head and there are black patches all over your body.

An Illuminati-esk organization dose exists and is 100% real (They even have a website: http://www.lloyds.com/ (http://www.lloyds.com/)). People are in open denial of that fact, because subconsciously they know it's real but they are too afraid of the truth to face it. POM posted probably the best conspiracy in this matter:
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It's sad because in reality there are people in the know (like myself) and people in denial (Like VictorM), vary few are the people that have no idea what the New World Order is and are prepared to have an open mind about the matter. Instead we have this thing where people in denial will fight and kick and scream because they are desperately trying to hold on to the old ways of thinking. They think they can't live without the system, the system is all they know, they must defend the system. Yet when someone in the know shows them the truth, that the system is all BS, they get mad and offended and try everything they can to demise the clams of the person in the know because they are too afraid to face the truth.

VictorM and myself are really on the same page, it's just that I'm not going to sit around and be in denial of the facts

I was pretty sure he is a troll, but I don't know what to think at his point
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 14, 2011, 07:36:15 AM
Look, I'm just going to do my best to shorten this thread:

Anything said by any conspiracy theorist ever.

That should cover quite a lot...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on January 14, 2011, 09:50:13 AM
I don't post anything on here unless it makes a really bad impression anyway.

Edit: Like this shit right here:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2011, 12:02:40 AM
Everything out of QQOQQ's mouth in this video is a fail quote: [yt]kx7XZAzz5a0[/yt]

Note how in the first two to three minutes he starts pulling crap right out of the Kent Hovind play-book.

Also, later in the video he says that the only way to have facts would be to have first hand accounts, e.g. either doing the experiments or being in the same room as the person doing them.
Yeah... I can't refute that exactly, but that smells like total bullshit.

I would have posted QQOQQ's original video, but it wasn't listed in the description, or did he accept the above as a video response.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 18, 2011, 01:23:39 AM
"Either fight for legalization with the political process of STFU."--HeavyTrafficAhead on this video's comment section: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEEniqWDN7Y

Spoken like a true state cultist HTA...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 18, 2011, 06:44:41 PM
Everything posted by JesusforLife2 on this video's comment section:  [yt]gmdNOC94USE[/yt]

Especially his claiming atheism is mutually exclusive from agnosticism AND his calling atheism "a belief".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 18, 2011, 08:46:26 PM
Even after being corrected ad nauseam.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on January 19, 2011, 05:37:49 PM
Conspiracy Theorist: Oh but its all for out benefit hey Vector and El Bel...?? what exactly have we gained from these wars?? anyone?? anyone win anything?? anything positive?? hmmm didn't think so.

Me: Nothing was gained from these wars, yes. And I am agaisnt them just as much as you are.

Then a guy responds to me with this: Really? Do you pay the taxes that fund these wars? Then how can you reconcile the inconsistency between your words and your actions?

If you were against a group of terrorist, would you pay them money and then say "i'm against terrorists"?


*****
Because we all know that taxes are paid by choice, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 19, 2011, 11:15:14 PM
Quote from: VectorM on January 19, 2011, 05:37:49 PM
Then a guy responds to me with this: Really? Do you pay the taxes that fund these wars? Then how can you reconcile the inconsistency between your words and your actions?

If you were against a group of terrorist, would you pay them money and then say "i'm against terrorists"?
Yeah...That definitely belongs in fail quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 20, 2011, 09:10:16 PM
These two were having a conversation on JacobSpinney's latest video.

Can you guess which one of these is the fail quote?

nocturnalc:  "They would be incentivized to put out better & better products at free market driven prices because they wouldn't have the guns of the state to squash out their competition. Apathy in a free world won't get you anywhere in any field of interest. By the way, I'm not an advocate of starvation just because I oppose slavery."

To which this guy (mykeBC) responded with: "1. state imposed barriers to competition like what? filling out forms? waiting a few months for a permit? these seem insignificant compared to the real barriers to competition (capital, resources, technical knowhow - the latter 2 of which can be greatly monopolized). 2. have you heard of planned obsolescence? 3. what's to stop cartels and oligopolies? your average person can't suddenly start operating an oil refinery just because the cartels decide to manipulate prices."

I bet this idiot thinks Rockefeller had an oil monopoly, or that OPEC is a free market institution...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 21, 2011, 07:36:11 AM
Then again, how many oil refineries would you have owned?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 28, 2011, 10:04:25 PM
"When historians look back at 2008–10, what will puzzle them most, I believe, is the strange triumph of failed ideas. Free-market fundamentalists have been wrong about everything — yet they now dominate the political scene more thoroughly than ever."--Paul Krugman (Source (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/20/opinion/20krugman.html?_r=1))
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 28, 2011, 10:14:48 PM
The fail continues:

QuoteHow, after runaway banks brought the economy to its knees,

What, you mean because of the housing bubble that YOU said we needed to replace the NASDAQ bubble?

QuoteBut the response should be, what big-government policies?

Maybe the hundreds of thousands if not millions of pages of regulations that make the financial market the most heavily regulated market in the US?

It continues all through the article. Why should anyone trust this lunatic to even SPELL economics, let alone be considered an expert?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 28, 2011, 10:22:35 PM
Krugman gets handed his: http://krugman-in-wonderland.blogspot.com/2010/12/paleo-krugmanism.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 28, 2011, 10:53:30 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 28, 2011, 10:14:48 PMIt continues all through the article. Why should anyone trust this lunatic to even SPELL economics, let alone be considered an expert?
The worst part?  The idiot got a Nobel Prize in economics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on January 28, 2011, 11:55:10 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 28, 2011, 10:22:35 PM
Krugman gets handed his: http://krugman-in-wonderland.blogspot.com/2010/12/paleo-krugmanism.html

Lol. I knew it was a good idea to post that blog. Hell, even my old not-all-that-Austrian macro teacher liked it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2011, 02:25:22 PM
Both of the following are from the comments of this video:
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"@lordthawkeye '*talking* surrender'? Are you aware that the Korean peace talks lasted almost two years and the Vietnam talks lasted almost FIVE. J govt had sought Soviet mediation to end war- not surrender.
JambUSSR Sato cabled JForMin Togo 7/45 that J was defeated & could only hope to preserve the Imperial system. Togo replied that J would not accept unconditional surrender under any circumstances. 8/2/45 after Sato requested J peace terms, Togo refused.There was NO offer of surrender"--kentamitchell

"@lordthawkeye There was NO offer of surrender until after H&N. Japan did not plan to invade America- in the 1940s. All they wanted was the EastAsian Co-Prosperity Sphere (replace British, French, & Dutch as colonial rulers) as ONE step towards their ambition to "bring all 8 pillars of the earth under one roof".
Japan did not just wake up one morning & decide to attack PH. True enough. J plans for indefinite expansion had put it on a collision course w/t US since 1905."--kentamitchell

"'America bombed J submarines' TOO FUNNY. Early morning12/7/41 the USS Ward sank a Japanese midget sub in US territorial waters as it tried to sneak into Pearl Harbor.
FYI Hiroshima was the headquarters of the Japanese 2nd Area Army, under Field Marshal Hata. 43,000 J troops were in the city; 20k-30k died in the bombing. Too bad we didn't have the Atomic bombs 12/41"--kentamitchell
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2011, 04:54:20 PM
And from the above video from Lord T Hawkeye, here's that same wanker commenting:

"@lordthawkeye You seem to think that Japan ever made an offer to surrender before H&N. Sorry, but you are completely wrong. Mark Twain said it best: 'It ain't ignorance that is dangerous, it's people knowin' things that just ain't so'"--kentamitchell
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 29, 2011, 06:41:00 PM
Can someone link me up to an official record showing Japan did in fact talk surrender?  I really need to put this murder apologist in his place.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 29, 2011, 07:49:01 PM
See The Folly of war: American Foreign Policy, 1898-2005; "Bare Peace Bid U.S. Rebuffed 7 Months Ago" Chicago Daily Tribune, August 19, 1945; Racing the Enemy: Stalin, Truman, and the Surrender of Japan; and other stuff here: http://www.doug-long.com/quotes.htm

I can probably dig up more when I get more time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2011, 08:50:46 PM
On a completely unrelated note,
HAPPY 1500TH POST SHANE! ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 29, 2011, 09:26:55 PM
Thanks, which reminds me, I should scale up the post groups now that we've got a good set of regulars here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 29, 2011, 10:27:35 PM
You mean the four of us?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2011, 11:15:35 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on January 29, 2011, 04:54:20 PMAnd from the above video from Lord T Hawkeye, here's that same wanker commenting:

"@lordthawkeye You seem to think that Japan ever made an offer to surrender before H&N. Sorry, but you are completely wrong. Mark Twain said it best: 'It ain't ignorance that is dangerous, it's people knowin' things that just ain't so'"--kentamitchell
And he's back again.

"@lordthawkeye LOL! I might very well ask you the same question.
You have better evidence than a decoded cable from the Japanese Foreign Minister sent 8/2/45? Bring it on!
I really hope you aren't one of the many dupes of that famous fabrication by Chicago Tribune's columnist Walter Trohan. It is very popular among people who take wikipedia at face value."--kentamitchell

"You would do well to read Richard Frank's 'Downfall'. There were 28 neutral embassies in Tokyo in 1945, and US codebreakers were monitoring the diplomatic cable traffic of all of those embassies. All 28 of them were reporting that the Japanese military intended to fight to the last- toretain power through a compromise peace.
Are you aware that the J Army had committed >700k troops & >10k kamikazes to defend Kyushu, & was drafting 'volunteers m15-60 f17-40. Not the act of ppl about to surrender"--kentamitchell

"@lordthawkeye Secretary of War Henry Stimson put it very well: 'the atomic bombs were our least abhorrent choice'"--kentamitchell

"@nicolaswirth Death toll from H&N was approx 200k. In 1945 there were approx 100k Allied POWs & 100k civilian internees in J custody. (40k POWs & 30k civilian internees had died in j custody)"--kentamichell
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2011, 12:47:35 AM
But wait, there's even more: 

"@lordthawkeye They WEREN'T??? You need to do your homework. Field Marshal Hata (one of 42,000 J troops in Hiroshima) was the Commanding Officer of the J 2nd Area Army. He'd been both Minister of War & Commander of the Chinese Expeditionary Army during the Zhejiang-Jiangxi campaign where >250,000 Chinese died. So are you arguing that it is only permissable touse bombs only against guilty individuals? Terribly naive." --kentamitchell

"@lordthawkeye Irrelevant? NOT HARDLY! You claim J was ready to surrender. They were certainly not. So what is this wonderful scource of yours that J govt had a plan to surrender w/one condition? A plan that Japanese Foreign Minister Togo was completely unaware of as larte as Aug 2, 1945. LOL!" --kentamitchell

"@lordthawkeye Thucydides' History of the Peloppensian War in the 5th century BCE tells of an Athenian who taunted a Spartan who'd been captured. The Spartan replied "Arrows would be worth a great deal if they could pick out brave men from cowards". Bombs would be worth a great deal if they could destroy only those directly responsible for war crimes. " --kentamitchell

"@lordthawkeye Let's see the "evidence"

Or shouldn't you be getting busy writing up your retraction and apology?" --kentamitchell

Because nothing says supporter of freedom like support of mass murder...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 30, 2011, 12:52:05 AM
So, that Japan offerd a surrender under the condition that the emperor remained emperor, which was rejected by the US who then bombed Japan, which led to a unconditional surrender that led the US to leave the emperor being emperor anyway is not relevant to him?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2011, 12:52:48 AM
He denies it ever happened.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 30, 2011, 12:57:57 AM
The problem with these people is that they take such statements as a personal accusement of guilt, which leads to a almost fanatical defense of the actions of ones country beyond any sense or reason, or somesuch psychological bullshit. I don't really know what I'm talking about here anyway.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2011, 01:01:42 AM
[yt]ZiSMBG4WSxY[/yt]

Moral of the story, fuck LaRouche.

Thanks to Apptendo for posting.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 30, 2011, 01:10:09 AM
I like her glasses but that's about it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 30, 2011, 08:18:03 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on January 30, 2011, 01:01:42 AMMoral of the story, fuck LaRouche.

And liberal Democrats try to deny he's one of them by calling him a libertarian

Quote from: Gumba Masta on January 30, 2011, 01:10:09 AM
I like her glasses but that's about it.

She's DEFINITELY not going to get a job at CBS News anytime soon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2011, 11:21:24 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 30, 2011, 08:18:03 AMAnd liberal Democrats try to deny he's one of them by calling him a libertarian
Because calling a dog a cat makes it meow in their world.

Quote from: MrBogosity on January 30, 2011, 08:18:03 AMShe's DEFINITELY not going to get a job at CBS News anytime soon.
True.  Now MSNBC on the other hand...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2011, 12:09:08 PM
From the following video, [yt]xEWVt6xyjLU[/yt]

Starting @2:45 - "A question that I would like to pose is if we cannot use the Bible to support the Bible as Christians, why is it that science can be used to support science?"

The worst part?  I know someone outside of the web (who isn't even a Christian) who asks that question...
As I said to him, science is tautologically justified.  That is, it just says that more repeatable predictions are more reliable; ergo it *IS* justified philosophically.  I am really getting sick of pseudo-philosopher fucktards like them trying to muddle up science, when what they have is blatantly worse by every objective standard...

Starting @6:43(ish) --Thunderf00t ridicules Shawn for claiming to possess special knowledge that no one else has...Am I the only one who sees the irony there?  As a statist TF believes the people in the state have access to special knowledge (e.g. where to set interest rates) that no one else has, so why all the hostility towards what is essentially something he believes as well?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2011, 12:17:16 PM
OK, so I don't fill up this thread with more of kentamitchell's bullshit, here's the video he's been commenting on.

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Note how, even after being sent the source that Shane shared with Lord T Hawkeye, he *STILL* won't acknowledge that Japan was already offering to surrender...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 30, 2011, 02:04:01 PM
Honestly, I don't see what your problem is Hotchap.
Look here i show you, rape, genocide and mistreatment of war prisoners by japan crime.
Rape, genocide and mistreatment of war prisoners by the US, it's awwwwwwright.
There. Why can't you get that fact into your stupid little monkey head?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 31, 2011, 11:03:01 AM
"And taxes? Again, the numbers don't lie -- in the U.S. taxes are the lowest they've been since 1950, and now that the Bush-era tax cuts have been temporarily extended, they will continue to be until 2012 at the soonest. The government even threw you an extra two percent reduction in payroll tax as a cherry on top. The U.S. has the second-lowest taxes among developed countries."--Source: 5 Complaints About Modern Life (That Are Statistically B.S.) By Mark M., M. Asher Cantrell (http://www.cracked.com/article_18983_5-complaints-about-modern-life-that-are-statistically-b.s..html)

Rebuttals:  http://mises.org/daily/4946 ; [yt]3nw0eZe2J9A[/yt]

That quote was from item #5 on the list, about things getting more expensive.  Funny how what they *don't* mention is that because wages are stickier than other prices, most people (e.g. the ones who don't get to spend the new money first--the government, the big banks, the politically connected corporations) have smaller real incomes.
And don't get me started on the way the gov't calculates cost of living/CPI stuff...
The best inflation indicator that we know of would be M3, which, according to Shane (according to independent assessments according to Shane) has been increasing at roughly 10% per year or something like that.  So that's about 10% yearly inflation, especially given the gigantic deficits our federal government has been throwing out.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 01, 2011, 02:26:22 AM
QuoteIt says on your video that "adding comments has been disabled" so I guess I cannot respond there.

I have a few sources and information backing up my argument.

You are correct that the Imperial Government was willing to surrender, however, the Military was not and was indeed willing to fight to the last man. This is the problem. Even if the Government had accepted surrender before the bombings, the Military would attack the first Americans that set foot in Japan, and maybe even overthrow the Government to prevent surrender. (The overthrow is my personal speculation, but still a valid hypothesis). Look at my sources and tell me what you think, and I will do the same with what you sent me. If you are willing to have an intelligent discussion debating facts and opinions without personal attacks on each other, I am definitly interested. Also, please understand that I am not ignorant enough to think the Atomic Bombings were not horrible, nor do I believe that the Japanese were an evil race that needed to be completly wiped out. I just feel that they were the lesser of two evils and necessary to end the war quickly and save lives.

We dropped leaflets to warn people of destruction and ask them to beg the government for surrender. They still refused. (Harry S. Truman Library, Miscellaneous historical document file, no. 258)

The Japanese code of bushido—"the way of the warrior"—was deeply ingrained. Surrender was unacceptable, and it was better to die honroably than surrender and be dishonored. (http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/articles/bushido.aspx)

The Japanese military was willing to fight to the "final Armageddon," regardless of what the Imperial Government wanted.- Richard B Frank, World War II historian and author (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/894mnyyl.asp?page=1)

"Military leaders also hoped that if they could hold out until the ground invasion of Japan began, they would be able to inflict so many casualties on the Allies that Japan still might win some sort of negotiated settlement ." (http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/surrender.htm)

More information that Government and Military could not reach an agreement: H. Bix, Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan, 2001, p. 512.

"Rational calculations did not determine Japan's position. Although a peace faction within the government wished to end the war—provided certain conditions were met—militants were prepared to fight on regardless of consequences. They claimed to welcome an invasion of the home islands, promising to inflict such hideous casualties that the United States would retreat from its announced policy of unconditional surrender. The militarists held effective power over the government and were capable of defying the emperor, as they had in the past, on the ground that his civilian advisers were misleading him... Even after both bombs had fallen and Russia entered the war, Japanese militants insisted on such lenient peace terms that moderates knew there was no sense even transmitting them to the United States. Hirohito had to intervene personally on two occasions during the next few days to induce hardliners to abandon their conditions... [The fact] That they would have conceded defeat months earlier, before such calamities struck, is far-fetched to say the least." (http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1995/3/1995_3_70_print.shtml)

Sent this to me in a PM.  Seriously, what part of "I'm not arguing that the US should have invaded Japan instead" is this guy incapable of processing?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 01, 2011, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on February 01, 2011, 02:26:22 AMYou are correct that the Imperial Government was willing to surrender, however, the Military was not and was indeed willing to fight to the last man. This is the problem. Even if the Government had accepted surrender before the bombings, the Military would attack the first Americans that set foot in Japan

*facepalms* Yeah, that's a fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 01, 2011, 11:01:30 AM
Yeah, because militaries are always ready to disregard orders and commit treason...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 01, 2011, 04:56:29 PM
Not only that, but (according to my history class anyways: take with that what you will), the primary government of Japan of that time was the military.  If memory serves, it was Tojo (something of a military dictator) or Yamamoto (another military higher up) who was pulling the strings.
So if the IMPERIAL government, as he called it surrendered, then that means the military also surrendered.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 02, 2011, 07:46:41 PM
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showpost.php?p=1550077&postcount=114

Quoteit was religion in the form of monks in abbey's that preserved much of the art, literature, math, history and science from antiquity. If not for them and the Arabs, most of it probably would have been lost.


Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 02, 2011, 08:20:31 PM
If not for religion most of it probably wouldn't have been destroyed in the first place.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 03, 2011, 09:19:46 PM
"Ghastly as it may seem to say this, the terror attack--like the original day of infamy, which brought an end to the Great Depression--could do some economic good." --Paul Krugman after 9/11
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 03, 2011, 09:26:35 PM
"@studentofsmith So the free market in not smart enough to see what the fed is doing? That's a market failure. Not the failure of the fed."--funisverygood on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQFhm4s_-Pk)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2011, 06:09:46 PM
Something I sometimes see from communists:  "China under Mao was far better."--communists who actually think Mao, Stalin, etc were actually awesome rulers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2011, 08:02:56 PM
"What will it take to get gays out of marriage?" --Carl, in the comments (http://flamingfreedom.com/2011/02/04/what-is-government-marriage/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 06, 2011, 12:16:56 PM
"im weary of your views of property even though i dont know them specifically. Think about property before you criticize violence"--seigneurvoland666 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zppY0EzNy6I)

Because there's no difference between the initiation of violence and the use of defensive violence, right?
*facepalms*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2011, 03:07:26 AM
From http://freedomainradio.com/BOARD/forums/p/27406/212282.aspx , Every post by "sacredeye" and especially "Ruppert9" is conspiracy mongering bullshit, claiming Bill Gates is supporting Eugenics through vaccinations, and thus, earns a place here in this thread of epic fail quotes.

[Rant]
I really respect Stef, but he really needs to distance himself from the "Anarcho"-Communists/Socialists/Syndicalists and especially the conspiracy theorists--9/11 Truthers, NWO fucktards (He was on the Alex Jones Show, however, I haven't watched that episode and I'm not going to.), the anti-vaccination crowd (see the above), and so on.  From a PR perspective it REALLY hurts his credibility to those not familiar with him.  I mean, if he can claim that not practicing what you preach doesn't mean that logically that it is false; that it means you don't believe it, thus there isn't much reason to be convinced by the person arguing for it if they themselves don't believe it (which always struck me as something of a PR move, especially given his example of a violation of this as free market economists working in state universities), then I can say what I have already.  He needs to stay the fuck away from the conspiracy peddlers and anarcho-pinkos.

It's bad enough Stef tends to word many of his videos (e.g. "The Story of Your Enslavement"), where he basically words it such that he is speaking of the agents'/heads of the state's intentions, which basically means we're talking conspiracy theorist territory, even though he denies this.  But if he can pick on the people criticizing that video, slicing their wording to pieces, then maybe he needs to follow that advice and word his TL; DW videos a little more carefully...
[/Rant]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2011, 02:25:34 PM
From this video's comment section:  [yt]Ff1picZAWc0[/yt]

Everything Luigi84289 has posted, is total bullshit and fail.

"You can have competitive states. The US was a polystate. This would be a great improvement if it were the case today. If all critical decisions were decided by each state if you didn't like something you could just go to another state. We need the states to be in charge of printing dollars with the feds making sure that they are all uniform among them."

"No a state is a monopoly on a piece of land. A government is just a firm that takes in funds and produces a product, security You can have competing governments in the same area."

"The hate was sparked by conflicts between different cultures. The white and black races both sought to preserve themselves but were trapped under the same state and competing for land. Integration produces one uniform brown race in the case of the south where the two populations were near 50/50. There is no need for integration if an understanding is reached on land claims. Hate is a reaction you can't found anything on hate."

"If canada invaded america I'm sure many people would be filled with hate. I do not hate my own people nor do I waste time hating myself. I believe we are going to need land eventually just for us to preserve our people if we can't close the borders and present trends continue or face extinction when our population numbers get too small like all species through inbreeding and a lack of genetic diversity. Being proud and wanting to preserve your people =/ hate."

"Nothing is stronger than the dollar. Take away a sections money and you take away it's ability to fight. What the South and each region of America needs is to be Sovereign again. Let black people have their own states to represent their people and preserve it and let us as well. I don't want one big mono-culture and one big brown race."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 07, 2011, 02:32:13 PM
How many of his comments start with "I'm not a racist BUT..." ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 08, 2011, 10:52:56 PM
"Explain how GOOGLE isn't a monopoly? It became a monopoly when the Internet was still free. It out competed its competition and established it's self so that new competitors can't penetrate the market. Most everybody googles, few people bing."--FlowCell
And the rest of his comments on this video:

[yt]nOBD6v8g1F4[/yt]

Man, FlowCell has really gone downhill.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 09, 2011, 01:50:30 AM
Don't say that just because he does'nt have the same economic views as you.
He's still the same man you fell in love with... just that you now all his dirty little perverted secret that hadn't a clue of before. Right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 09, 2011, 07:16:00 AM
And Bing, Ask.com, and all the others don't count because...?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 09, 2011, 07:33:49 AM
Just because something is very popular doesn't make it a monopoly. I guess World Of Warcraft has a monopoly too, by his logic. And there are like 400000 other alternatives to that crap.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 10, 2011, 06:28:28 PM
"We want to promote economic freedom, a strong national defense and social conservativism. We think these policies are indivisible...It's not a boutique. You can't pick one and not the other." --a spokesman for Heritage, from the description of this video: [yt]QTbKjhj5RNo[/yt]

Because nothing says freedom quite like a false dilemma.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 10, 2011, 06:38:05 PM
And from the comment section of the same video:
"Christian conservatives are trying to politicize homosexuality. Homosexuals are politicizing homosexuality. Who you decide to share a bed with has no place in politics. It is homosexuals that want special rights because they are gay, not Christians trying to take away their rights because they are gay.

Homosexuals keep wanting to be married but they are fighting the wrong fight. If they can find a church to marry them that is fine. The problem is govt having anything to do with it." --st4ticblu3
That's got to be some of the most pathetic "he hit my fist with his face" logic I've ever heard...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 10, 2011, 06:43:56 PM
From the same fucktard who brought to me and us the above fail quote:  "Love is great, you should love everyone as I do and I love you. There is enough hate in the world. That has nothing to do with what you posted. It made no sense and was just pointless vulgarity."--the idiot above who can't grasp concepts like satire.
Seriously, if he doesn't want to deal with vulgarity, I suggest he keep out of the comment section...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 11, 2011, 02:11:58 PM
[yt]5gJTAzTQkmI&feature=watch_response[/yt]

A response to Shane's constitution lecture 9. I think it speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 11, 2011, 02:17:07 PM
@Virgil0211:  It looks familiar.

And from the comments of that SAME video: "Homosexuality is natural de-selection thus it is disgusting to the natural law."--yakyakyak69, from the comments of this video: [yt]QTbKjhj5RNo[/yt]

Why are all these homophobic conservatards subbed to ReasonTV?
They are aware that ReasonTV is a Libertarian and skeptical and/or atheism channel, not a conservative christian channel, right?

Surely they don't honestly believe that the political party/group (republicans/conservatives respectively) that has only increased government size, power and scope while in control of the white house, Congress, etc (with the possible exception of Warren G. Harding, who was the last conservative president to do so) is for small government do they?

Surely they don't believe that the party that has, over the past 108 years has produced 5 out of 7 biggest increases in domestic spending ever is for decreases in the size of the domestic budget do they?

Or the fact that the Conservatives/Republicans have NEVER EVER EVER been for small government.  Even Lincoln was a complete tyrant who, despite 'freeing the slaves' (something that would have happened without a war and if the government didn't keep propping slavery up), made Bush and Obama look like George Washington by comparison!
They are the Mercantile Party.  Always have been, and probably always will be.
It was the Democrats--the liberal party who were originally small government--why do you think they called it 'classical liberalism'?-- but, as a result of the progressivist movement, became more statist, along with the Republicans/Conservatives.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 11, 2011, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on February 11, 2011, 02:11:58 PM
[yt]5gJTAzTQkmI&feature=watch_response[/yt]

A response to Shane's constitution lecture 9. I think it speaks for itself.

Yeah, I actually watched the first 3 parts of this insipid "series."

The amazing thing is, he had the audacity to make this a response to Lecture 9 when he did nothing at all to refute the facts that a) as a treaty made under the authority of the Constitution the treaty (including Article 11) became the supreme law of the land and was never overturned, and b) the treaty was published in newspapers without any record whatsoever of opposition from the public to that concept.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 12, 2011, 10:52:48 AM
Pretty much everything said by YeshuaYisroelNotzer here: http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=x1a7t76K2dE

But bluecode320 and I are having WAY too much fun with Google's translator in response...

EDIT: And the responses from Singvangelist1 are EPIC Failz.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 12, 2011, 02:33:24 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 12, 2011, 10:52:48 AM
Pretty much everything said by YeshuaYisroelNotzer here: http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=x1a7t76K2dE

But bluecode320 and I are having WAY too much fun with Google's translator in response...

EDIT: And the responses from Singvangelist1 are EPIC Failz.

Lol. It's been a little while since I took chinese, but I used what I remembered in tandem with google translator to come up with a few insults (i.e., corrected grammatical errors when I recognized them.). Let's see him try and figure out what it means. =P

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 12, 2011, 02:38:25 PM
I ran it through the translator and I couldn't figure it out!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 14, 2011, 12:47:47 AM
And speaking of unparsible translations, FletchforFreedom is dealing with this guy user/hungdirect in the comments of this video:  [yt]-_gU50mfehI[/yt]

I swear I can't parse most of what he says.

Aside from damn near everything he's posted on that video, I'd say his background image, given that he's a communist, also qualifies as a fail quote:

(http://i2.ytimg.com/bg/MtmZbA5PHO9mvf2sx-48KA/105.jpg?app=bg&v=4d195acc)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 14, 2011, 06:34:59 AM
Huh? How is Firefox communistic?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 14, 2011, 06:36:04 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 12, 2011, 02:38:25 PM
I ran it through the translator and I couldn't figure it out!

That's the idea. It should actually come out to something like. "You are nothing. You are a fool with no brain." Chinese grammar's a little odd. I'm not quite sure I got the second one right. Probably would've been more correct if I if I did it a little differently.

The first one's the big one in Chinese, though. That's the one that, in most cases, would probably lead to violence. At least, according to my old Chinese teacher. =P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 14, 2011, 08:36:06 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 14, 2011, 06:34:59 AM
Huh? How is Firefox communistic?

It's a community prject.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 14, 2011, 01:10:37 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 14, 2011, 06:34:59 AMHuh? How is Firefox communistic?

They probably think that because it is not made for profit, and is open source.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 14, 2011, 01:12:44 PM
"Dude, no matter how correct or incorrect your points are, you're so incredibly full of yourself. No one will ever listen to you if you spend a full minute lecturing everyone on how sad it is that 'we're so wrong'." --obamamaniac42 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAa6dYBwy7M)

Because, as we all know, there's nothing hubristic about wanting to use the most violent monopoly ever to organize society as you see fit, and thinking yourself and/or your cult leaders to be smart enough to know where to set interest rates despite no one knowing or being able to know that, etc.
Yup, nothing arrogant about that at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 14, 2011, 01:59:42 PM
So's a mutual aid society. Are they communist too?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 14, 2011, 02:17:04 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 14, 2011, 01:59:42 PMSo's a mutual aid society. Are they communist too?

Hey, I was just the messenger here!
But no, they are not.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 19, 2011, 03:08:42 PM
*EDIT*  OK, so maybe the stefbot video wasn't as awful as I might have thought.  Certainly not compared to those attempting to justify mass murder.

From the comments of this video:  [yt]dwhaNU9t4R4[/yt]

"Rofl - your ignorance hurts my brain. So because we bombed one country, once, who was a far more volatile poltical state than even the middle east is now. All bombing of all civilian areas is legit. Are you a fucking serious? I'm washing my hands of your down syndrome. See ya." --Rangerfury144
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 19, 2011, 04:07:43 PM
By contrast, this next one is an unequivocal fail quote:

"Jacob Weisberg (http://www.slate.com/id/2202489/) writes in Slate that just as the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1989 finally proved for good that communism was an unworkable ideology, the financial crisis of 2008 proves that libertarianism is also dead." --Puppycow (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=126691)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 20, 2011, 06:26:06 AM
And people on a freaking sceptic forum actually agree with that. Seriously.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 20, 2011, 08:03:39 AM
What's sad is how they say that Libertarianism BOTH failed AND was never tried! Geez, are we tall AND short, too?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 20, 2011, 08:15:06 AM
Fail quote from Geni in the thread:

QuoteNot so you are indeed free to trade with people in gold should you so chose

Oh yeah? Then why did the government confiscate mine from the Asheville warehouse it was in?

From Highly Selassie:

QuoteFalse dichotomy. The only reason the alternative is starvation is because there are no labor laws in these third-world countries.

Amazing how they think that laws are magical incantations that can change the laws of economics. And they wonder why we call it the Cult of the Omnipotent State!

I'm sure there'd be lots more if I went through the (currently) 11 pages of the thread, but it'd just be a colossal waste of time, like it always was trying to talk reality to them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 20, 2011, 09:31:05 AM
Wait, you had gold?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 20, 2011, 11:47:14 AM
Gold Statue, that is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 20, 2011, 02:23:42 PM
It wasn't that golden Idol that Indy found in Raiders of the Ark, was it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 20, 2011, 05:17:03 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 20, 2011, 08:15:06 AMI'm sure there'd be lots more if I went through the (currently) 11 pages of the thread, but it'd just be a colossal waste of time, like it always was trying to talk reality to them.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=156056  Get read to facepalm:  I hope this thread can take the overload of bogons.
I honestly face-palmed when they gave answers of "bioshock" and "lord of the flies".

In my digging around that forum, I found a thread called, "Why the Derision for AnCap and Libertarianism Here?" http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=136113

It's 67 pages long.  I haven't read any of the replies, nor am I going to, but the first things that came to mind for me on seeing the length were: "Guilty conscience" and "lots of Libertarian and an-cap bashing".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 21, 2011, 05:53:08 AM
Bioshock doesn't make much sense even as a fictional criticism of libertarianism/objectivism.

From what I remember, the world was fine, until those highly addictive plants were discovered. Highly addictive plants that would give you X-MEN powers, mind you. And then the Armageddon clock started ticking.

So what is the argument here (if any)? That a libertarian society couldn't contain such a threat? We are talking about an extremely addictive drug, that can turn you in to a telepath. How the hell would a socialist society handle that exactly? They will ban it and start raiding basements that produce it? Because we all know how effective that was historically, right guys?

And besides, the government DID interfere in this case, by granting that Atlas impersonator a monopoly on the drug.

Also, some of the other stuff are nothing more than moronic caricatures, like the ammo vending machines.

"But if we let everyone have guns, then we would have ammo vending machines everywhere, and there would be chaos!!".

Yeah, the same way we let gays marry and then people start marrying their dogs and daughters :). I think I know what game I'll be making one day.



Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 21, 2011, 12:45:57 PM
Quote from: VectorM on February 21, 2011, 05:53:08 AM
Bioshock doesn't make much sense even as a fictional criticism of libertarianism/objectivism.

From what I remember, the world was fine, until those highly addictive plants were discovered. Highly addictive plants that would give you X-MEN powers, mind you. And then the Armageddon clock started ticking.

So what is the argument here (if any)? That a libertarian society couldn't contain such a threat? We are talking about an extremely addictive drug, that can turn you in to a telepath. How the hell would a socialist society handle that exactly? They will ban it and start raiding basements that produce it? Because we all know how effective that was historically, right guys?

And besides, the government DID interfere in this case, by granting that Atlas impersonator a monopoly on the drug.

Also, some of the other stuff are nothing more than moronic caricatures, like the ammo vending machines.

"But if we let everyone have guns, then we would have ammo vending machines everywhere, and there would be chaos!!".

Yeah, the same way we let gays marry and then people start marrying their dogs and daughters :). I think I know what game I'll be making one day.





Can I get any special deals if I preorder now?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 21, 2011, 04:33:29 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on February 21, 2011, 12:45:57 PM
Can I get any special deals if I preorder now?

For Bioshock or for marrying dogs?
If it's the former both Bioshock one and two are already out.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 21, 2011, 05:19:49 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on February 21, 2011, 04:33:29 PM
For Bioshock or for marrying dogs?
If it's the former both Bioshock one and two are already out.

I meant for this:

Quote from: VectorM on February 21, 2011, 05:53:08 AM
I think I know what game I'll be making one day.

Cuz I would love it if more video games followed a more libertarian bend. The main ones I can think of right now that even involve the discussion would be a couple of BioWare games, although it tends to be more indirect.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 22, 2011, 06:50:48 AM
Well, if I can get my hands on some more cash, I would love to become a producer for a pro-libertarian RPG of some sort.

It would be sweet to introduce some none-intuitive "Choices and Consequences" to the game. Like helping a union to establish a minimum wage law in some small town, making the players think they did the "good" thing. Only to realize later, that some shops are closed, because they can't hire people anymore, thanks to the minimum wage.

Also, I would actually try to get this guy as a writer: http://www.youtube.com/user/sfdebris?blend=1&ob=4

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 22, 2011, 11:10:52 AM
Just don't get too preachy or else I will bite your head off, eat it and use your body as a distaction.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 22, 2011, 09:38:14 PM
Not exactly libertarian but still with a message behind it that I completely loved was Persona 4.  The big theme behind it was "truth vs deception."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 23, 2011, 01:27:37 AM
Quote from: VectorM on February 22, 2011, 06:50:48 AM
Well, if I can get my hands on some more cash, I would love to become a producer for a pro-libertarian RPG of some sort.

It would be sweet to introduce some none-intuitive "Choices and Consequences" to the game. Like helping a union to establish a minimum wage law in some small town, making the players think they did the "good" thing. Only to realize later, that some shops are closed, because they can't hire people anymore, thanks to the minimum wage.

Also, I would actually try to get this guy as a writer: http://www.youtube.com/user/sfdebris?blend=1&ob=4



I thought I was the only one who knew about that guy. If he helped write your game, I'd be first in line.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 23, 2011, 07:15:45 AM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on February 23, 2011, 01:27:37 AM
I thought I was the only one who knew about that guy. If he helped write your game, I'd be first in line.

Well, I found him thanks to you after all  ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 26, 2011, 06:56:19 PM
Have I posted this?
[yt]rMn2R5txO28[/yt]
If yes, it deserves to be posted again.

Note the disabling of both ratings and comments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 26, 2011, 09:41:13 PM
Quote from: VectorM on February 23, 2011, 07:15:45 AM
Well, I found him thanks to you after all  ;D

Well, you're quite welcome, Mr. Garak.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 01, 2011, 03:26:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jGAvGVBz7A&feature=related

By canofsand

QuoteAs if you don't already know the answers to those questions. It's a waste of time trying to convince someone with a closed mind about the basic principles of motivation, innovation, capitalism, and reward for effort. But I'm sure Edison and Gates and all the rest would've just as soon done it all for FREE, right?? I might as well be talking about the free market to a hardcore capitalism-hating socialist - some "liberaltarians" practically are that in many regards.

Yeah, thank god for copyright laws, we wouldn't want the REAL inventor of the light bulb to be left unrewarded, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 01, 2011, 06:33:23 AM
Quote from: VectorM on March 01, 2011, 03:26:51 AMYeah, thank god for copyright laws, we wouldn't want the REAL inventor of the light bulb to be left unrewarded, right?

Tag!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 01, 2011, 09:42:08 AM
Quote from: VectorM on March 01, 2011, 03:26:51 AMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jGAvGVBz7A&feature=related

By canofsand

Yeah, thank god for copyright laws, we wouldn't want the REAL inventor of the light bulb to be left unrewarded, right?

You think I should link him to those videos showing that IP laws actually hurt, not help, innovation?
Or that Mises Institute Daily, "The Fallacy of Intellectual Property" which explains why IP is not compatible with real property rights?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 01, 2011, 10:12:06 AM
He does kind of have a point, that Reason.TV is a bit hypocritical here. Alright, IP laws are bad for the fashion industry. What about every other industry then?

Still, he hasn't really given any actual reason for the existence of these IP laws, besides the usual appeal to good intentions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 01, 2011, 04:58:20 PM
@VectorM:  Alrighty.


http://www.businessinsider.com/if-you-think-government-cant-create-wealth-youre-wrong-2011-2
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 01, 2011, 05:11:29 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on March 01, 2011, 04:58:20 PMhttp://www.businessinsider.com/if-you-think-government-cant-create-wealth-youre-wrong-2011-2

I hereby nominate this for Best Example of the Broken Window Fallacy In Action.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 03, 2011, 04:00:01 PM
Big fail: https://www.facebook.com/djgrothe/posts/107832615963797

It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't the president of the JREF!

You might have to be on DJ Groethe's friends list to see this, but he posted this: http://www.businessinsider.com/ ("The Five States Where Teachers Unions Are Illegal Have The Lowest Test Scores In America") as if it were absolute proof that teachers unions were vital, when in reality it's just a correlation/causation fallacy.

The dogmatists came back with "it does not mean that it is to be ignored" and "sometimes correlation does in fact imply causation" (direct quotes) and other crap like that, until I and others posted data showing that they cherry-picked their data and there isn't even a correlation between whether teachers unions are allowed and school performance.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2011, 04:47:43 PM
And this bit from the last comment as of this posting:  "The reasons for the correlation should be pretty clear: unions fight for education funding, smaller class size, and better treatment of teachers, who might otherwise be attracted to better paying jobs in the private sector."-- Professor Smartass on that business website article.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 04, 2011, 10:32:26 AM
Would it have helped if we had found a way to make James Randi immortal?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 04, 2011, 11:06:18 AM
There's still time. He's not dead yet. Know anywhere we can upload his brain?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 04, 2011, 11:13:53 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 04, 2011, 11:06:18 AMThere's still time. He's not dead yet. Know anywhere we can upload his brain?

Inside of my body?
My computer doesn't have enough memory or CPU power for his brain.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 04, 2011, 11:29:27 AM
Would be nice if he uses those 1000 000 challenge dollars to freeze his brain, so he could politely kick Groethe's ass when he comes back looking like commander Data, but with an awesome augmented beard. Actually, he should punch him with his beard instead.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on March 04, 2011, 12:36:35 PM
Quote from: VectorM on March 04, 2011, 11:29:27 AM
Would be nice if he uses those 1000 000 challenge dollars to freeze his brain, so he could politely kick Groethe's ass when he comes back looking like commander Data, but with an awesome augmented beard. Actually, he should punch him with his beard instead.

Huh... James Randi's brain with Brent Spiner's appearance and voice, and an android. Singularity of awesomeness, or scream-yourself-awake nightmare?

Dear god. What would happen if someone did the same to Sylvia Browne or Uri Geller, effectively giving us the 'Lore' counterpart to the above?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 04, 2011, 12:39:13 PM
OK, back on topic.

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Reagan for small government/slashing domestic spending?  Is he for real?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 04, 2011, 01:40:14 PM
I really need to find the time to do that video about the Republican presidents.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 04, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 04, 2011, 01:40:14 PMI really need to find the time to do that video about the Republican presidents.
Indeed.

As for the video I posted above, note the preview screen-shot.  He's got those figures wrong.  Accroding to the BEA, BLS, etc (from my econ text),
Gov't spending as a % of GDP
In 1981:  20.058%
In 1989:  20.040%

Hardly a difference to brag about!  And even if he wasn't wrong about those figures, that government grows at the same rate as the rest of the economy != slashing spending.  It means more spending.
Finally, most of the so-called 'growth' during the Reagan years was because of the bubble (deficits cause inflation, when they don't cause stagnation)!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 04, 2011, 08:51:04 PM
From this idiot: http://marauderosu.livejournal.com/560958.html

"A: Kenya, Botswana, and Somalia
(opens envelope and pulls out question)
Q: Name two African nations and a libertarian's paradise." -- MarauderOSU

And the LJ's only reply to a lesser extent:
"No true libertarian considers any of those nations a 'paradise'. I believe you have us confused with an Anarchist. Don't feel too bad though, it's a common mistake among liberals.

Without law there can be no freedom. --Greek Philosophy" --d_l_leonine

Because the Somalia thing HASN'T been debunked countless times by Ryan Faulk (Fringeelements) and Stefan Molyneux...
Also, I've yet to meet a single anarchist of ANY variety or flavor who is against laws.  We are just against a MONOPOLY on law funded through involuntary means.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 05, 2011, 08:07:54 PM
Every post by bmwm3cs here: http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=Ubmjc83yAtI

Note how, once again, the state-worshipers use the EXACT SAME TACTICS as the creationists. And they wonder why we call it the Cult of the Omnipotent State!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 06, 2011, 09:22:18 AM
This is the kind of fail quote that really annoys me: http://cell-phones.toptenreviews.com/smartphones/htc/htc-evo-4g-review.html

QuoteRunning on the 1GHz Snapdragon processor and using Android 2.1, the EVO is similar to the Droid Incredible's processing features. However, only 1GB of internal memory is stored on the phone, making it a poor comparison to the Incredible's 8GB. But similar to other HTC phones, there is provided a microSD card slot that will support up to 32GB of additional storage.

Wait...when you say "1GB of internal memory," do you actually mean memory, or do you mean internal storage? Memory deals with how many apps you can run and what you can put in them at one time. Storage is, well, what you store. The reviewer said "additional storage" implying that he was really talking about 1GB of internal storage.

Idiot.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 06, 2011, 12:57:25 PM
And speaking of State Cultists,

"@Guncriminal

correct me if im wrong, you reject both ideas, the venus project and the current system.

but you do not offer any other systems or other solutions? I believe everyone is aware of that

the vp is not perfect, but it's just much better then the system we have today. The world does not need

people who only live to complain. My point is that we don't need your opinion on how bad things are,

unless you can offer a better way. So start working on a better way and then express yourself" --afrodinho, on this video (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=UTZlNM-1QNM)

Ya' gotta love Venus Project nutbars.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 07, 2011, 06:39:55 AM
Related to the video that surhot just posted over in Fav Quotes by ProfMTH (God appointed Hitler?), I'd like to submit the first half of Romans 13 as a fail quote:

"1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor." --New International Version
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 07, 2011, 06:49:28 AM
While I'm at it, I'd also like to submit Ephesians 6:5-8:

"5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free." --New International Version

EDIT: Also Colossians 3:22 and Titus 2:9:

"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."

"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 07, 2011, 06:59:51 AM
And 1 Peter 2:13-14, 18:

"13 Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right."

"18 Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 07, 2011, 09:51:37 AM
Thanks for the related submission, Shane. :)  Those verses are DEFINITELY worthy of being here.  You get a cluon for that!

I would also add that Lord T Hawkeye said that there seemed to be a contradiction, "what about the communist, anti christian governments?"
Yet, that verse was written while under such a government!  Also, the verse is general.  As far as the bible is concerned, ALL existing governments, including those claiming to be for other religions or even the anti-religious communist governments, exist because Yahweh himself appointed them, and are thus legitimate on that basis alone.
So what is this nonsense of, "This nation was founded on Christian Values" again?  According to the Bible, the colonists rebelled against their governing body (Great Britain) and were therefore going against God.  Then again, many of the founders were Deists too.

Also, so much for the bible (the work which Christians consider the word of God--so no punishing the messenger here :P) being anti-slavery.
I have a conservative friend who goes on about the Quakers being the first abolitionists, yet they clearly were heritical.
Funny how he doesn't mention the Individualist Anarchists during the period of 1812-1860, who not only predated the Spanish Anarchists he loves to hold up (along with the Anarcho-communist my history prof loves holding up), but were also some of the biggest abolitionists of slavery of their time!
Just saying.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 07, 2011, 04:13:13 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on March 07, 2011, 09:51:37 AMAlso, so much for the bible (the work which Christians consider the word of God--so no punishing the messenger here :P) being anti-slavery.

Yeah, they can't even weasel out of it by claiming that the Old Testament was made obsolete by Jesus (although it wasn't), since this is from the New Testament.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 07, 2011, 04:29:16 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 07, 2011, 04:13:13 PMYeah, they can't even weasel out of it by claiming that the Old Testament was made obsolete by Jesus (although it wasn't), since this is from the New Testament.

Oh, yeah.  I double checked to make sure.  All of the verses you posted are from the New Testament.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2011, 07:36:13 PM
All of the following are from the review section of this book:  http://mises.org/store/Against-Intellectual-Monopoly-P552.aspx

"Why is this hypocrit selling the book? I guess he wants to exploit the government monopoly while he still can." --John V
1.  Learn to use spell-check, you idiot.
2.  Screen-shot of a copyright symbol in or on the book, or stfu.  Just because I sell a product doesn't mean I have the government granting me a monopoly on that product.

"why charge for the book?" --Writers & Inventors
Addressed above.

"attribution and ownership are indeed different concepts; but, ultimately there can be no equity in a society without objective, transparent relationships between rights and responsibilities. this book does not explain what is wrong with property as a bundle of rights and yet without royals issuing letters patent, the US has created more jobs than any other nation in history. not because people had a street-corner-performer-donation mentality but because fences make good neighbors. second, there is no empirical evidence to support the arguments. you can always offer your "property" for free: alas, this book is not free. it ain't even "steal this book" free! it is bewildering to think that the authors ignore key debates leading to the original Patent Act & the fact the Founders recognized only two forms of employment in the Constitution - Writers & Inventors. why? the States had ALREADY begun to issue patents (originalists who ignore the 13th, 14th & 15th Amend- conveniently ignore).  " --Writers & Inventors
Let's see...red herrings, broken window fallacy, alluding to evidence, while not providing any, and more red herrings...Pathetic.

"BS" --Rand_Ayn
NO U!

"'All credit goes to the authors here—Michele Boldrin and David Levine of the Washington University in St. Louis—who have undertaken this daring and challenging area of research. They are exemplars of intellectual pioneers. If they have an effect in changing the way people think on this subject, civilization will owe them a huge debt.'
that is really a funny sentence! by their argument- why should i pay for that? why shouldn't i release the book under my name? WHY would THEY want/need/deserve credit for this book? they are just keeping their hardwork from the good of society (or so they would argue!)

shattering myths? until food and shelter are relatively abundant and free to all why should anyone else's work not be compensated- art, literature and music as prime examples? if it is for exposure and the good of society shouldn't all things be free as well? I ask anyone to reflect upon not being given their pay check for working. This is more demeaning to the arts of a society than "monopolizing" of thoughts. As soon as copyright gets abolished I look forward to Corporations capitalizing off the backs of anyone foolish to believe copyright doesn't protect the holders. Copyright is in the US Constitution so Amend that if you feel in unnecessary.  " --Rand_Ayn
1.  *sighs* Addressed above...Sheesh. Because if I'm against the government granting a monopoly on production, I MUST be for that thing fully socialized instead, right? Puh-lease!
2.  Simply signing your name on something =/= getting a government monopoly on production.  Nice strawman, though.
3.  Weak/false analogy.  He was talking about information, NOT scarce physical resources.  Again, nice strawman.
4.  Because Creative Commons doesn't exist, right?  Idiot.  Also, Corporations ARE a creation of government, complete with state-granted with anti-free market privileges like:  Unlimited Debt Shield, Immunity, etc.  Epic fail, dude.
5.  "Copyright is in the US Constitution so Amend if you feel in unnecessary."  Grammar/spelling fail.  Also, so was slavery for a while.  What's your point?
I'm honestly considering making appeal to constitution an unnamed logical fallacy.  I know it's technically already an appeal to authority, but I think it deserves its own name.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 08, 2011, 08:51:58 PM
Love how the last guy didnt read the book at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2011, 10:49:41 PM
"I show in the first place that the state of men without civil society (which state may be called the state of nature) is nothing but a war of all against all; and that in that war, all have a right to all things." -- http://www.youtube.com/user/clownporn1 , blatantly nabbed from that idiot Thomas Hobbes

"If you were to destroy in mankind the belief in immortality, not only love but every living force maintaining the life of the world would at once be dried up. Moreover, nothing then would be immoral; everything would be lawful, even cannibalism. " -- http://www.youtube.com/user/clownporn1 , failing basic economics and math.

"Men would never be superstitious, if they could govern all their circumstances by set rules, or if they were always favoured by fortune: but being frequently driven into straits where rules are useless, and being often kept fluctuating pitiably between hope and fear by the uncertainty of fortune's greedily coveted favours, they are consequently, for the most part, very prone to credulity." -- http://www.youtube.com/user/clownporn1 , failing physics, and showing us that he has never reasoned from first principles in his life.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 09, 2011, 01:03:49 AM
Oh, so you actually understood what he was trying to say? I thought it was just fancy gibberish he wrote to sound intelligent.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 09, 2011, 02:31:02 PM
http://www.slate.com/id/2287539/

"In the movie version of Atlas Shrugged, there is a scene in which Ayn Rand's libertarian heroes defy all odds, deploy some untold amount of private funding, and launch the fastest high-speed train in history over rails of experimental metal...That's in the fantasy world. In the real world, libertarians aren't cheering for high speed rail but rather trying to stop it from being built."

They REALLY don't get it, do they? This is how statism pollutes the mind. They just can't understand why someone would want a service run efficiently by private entrepreneurs who can only get the funding if they convince people to give it to them, but not want that same service run by a government who takes money by force and runs it extremely inefficiently to the point where it harms the local economy and even the environment.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 09, 2011, 02:34:00 PM
Another fail from the same article:

"Amtrak passengers pay more of the cost of their transportation than do drivers on the interstate. About 62 percent of Amtrak's operating expenses, according to the Department of Transportation, comes from fares. According to the Federal Highway Administration, the percentage of highway spending paid for by users—in the form of gas taxes and tolls—is headed below 50 percent."

Yeah, because drivers don't spend anything on fuel, oil changes, vehicle maintenance, etc., right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 09, 2011, 03:14:31 PM
From that article's title: "Why do conservatives hate trains so much?" --Emphasis added by me.
Shane, I'm surprised you of all people would miss that!
Gotta love it when nimrods conflate libertarianism with conversatism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 09, 2011, 03:47:35 PM
Well, the copy was consistent about libertarians (at least in the part I quoted) and usually the headlines are written by someone else. I don't usually consider inconsistencies in the headline as anything else.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2011, 06:38:13 PM
"@ashane77
I have the freedom to chose which company I work for.

Stef was born in Ireland the country (IRELAND the corporation)

Stef chose to move to Canada the country, (CANADA the corporation)

Considering the mess the Mick's have put themselves into, it looks like he made a good choice of his own free will and accord.

He could have chosen Zimbabwe but that may have conflicted with his own SELF INTEREST.

No one put a gun to his head.

You ask to live under the protection of a company.canUsee." --Darkhorse21x, on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcKdaK2MDAs)

Gotta love the Social Contract people talking about government like it's some kind of voluntary system.  Really, that's how you know you're dealing with a propaganda-bot.
And yeah, I understand posting this would probably violate Shane's rules on bigotry given part of his comment, but it's here for criticism, etc, so yeah.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 12, 2011, 10:45:51 AM
"A few months ago the vast majority of business economists mocked concerns about a "double dip," a second leg to the downturn. But there were a few dogged iconoclasts out there, most notably Stephen Roach at Morgan Stanley. As I've repeatedly said in this column, the arguments of the double-dippers made a lot of sense. And their story now looks more plausible than ever.

"The basic point is that the recession of 2001 wasn't a typical postwar slump, brought on when an inflation-fighting Fed raises interest rates and easily ended by a snapback in housing and consumer spending when the Fed brings rates back down again. This was a prewar-style recession, a morning after brought on by irrational exuberance. To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that, as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble...But wishful thinking aside, I just don't understand the grounds for optimism. Who, exactly, is about to start spending a lot more?" --Paul Krugman in 2002, clearly calling for a housing bubble

"If you read it in context, you'll see that I wasn't calling for a bubble — I was talking about the limits to the Fed's powers, saying that the only way Greenspan could achieve recovery would be if he were able to create a new bubble, which is NOT the same thing as saying that this was a good idea." --Krugman in 2010, clearly backpedalling. He was clearly NOT saying that a housing bubble would not be a good idea; he WAS clearly saying that his problem was he didn't think Greenspan could pull it off.

And then the big fail: "But did I call for low interest rates? Yes. In my view, that's not what the Fed did wrong. We needed better regulation to curb the bubble — not a policy that sacrificed output and employment in order to limit irrational exuberance. You can disagree if you like, but that doesn't make me someone who deliberately sought a bubble."

Noooo, you didn't deliberately seek a bubble, you just called for doing all of the things that create bubbles to begin with...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 12, 2011, 02:51:19 PM
Paul Krugman could fill an entire fail quotes thread with his Keynesian stupidity, I swear.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 13, 2011, 03:00:50 PM
"You're being arrogant!" --Most arrogant people

Example:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2011, 05:15:42 PM
And not to be outdone:

"Harm obviously isn't a good standard to judge crime" --James (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2010/10/07/the-trouble-with-selling-tribbles/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 17, 2011, 05:29:10 PM
You should have continued his fail by at least one clause:

"Harm obviously isn't a good standard to judge crime, because someone stealing your unused eighth car doesn't harm you"

Really? He didn't spend money to get that car? He doesn't have equity due to his ownership of that car? He has no opportunity to make money in the future from that car, by selling or renting it?

Major unbelievable fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2011, 10:27:19 PM
Every post by fernieboy100 on this video: [yt]ZyEOPBx6i8o[/yt]

These creationists really make Christianity out as a very amoral religion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 19, 2011, 04:21:33 PM
"actually you never have told me how you tell the difference between right and wrong - all you say is go read a book - then you get mad when i wont read it." --fernboy100, ignoring that I also posted a video on the very subject, and that the answer to his question was in the book...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 20, 2011, 06:55:49 PM
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I wasn't sure whether to start another thread on this.
Oh well.

*EDIT*:  Is the above video a fail quote?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 21, 2011, 02:57:01 PM
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Epic fail in the second half of the video:  doctor justifying the FDA.
+4 million people killed as a result of the FDA withholding drugs + defense of this = epic fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 22, 2011, 10:49:31 PM
What's worse than a statist defending statism?  Watching someone claiming to be a Libertarian defend statist policies too...

From the comments of this video (fails in red as usual): (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=PVusj2a0pzg)


Panpiper:  Copyright violation is not a crime of theft, it is more analogous to a crime of trespass.
I create a video, which I sell access to online. If it is copied and freely distributed by anyone, I cannot sell access to it. Being unable to profit from it, I cannot continue to create videos. The end result is that I do 'not' create videos. An absolute abrogation of the concept of intellectual property will virtually destroy certain kinds of art.

Me:  For your benefit: mises.org/daily/5025 ("The Fight against Intellectual Property" by Jacob H. Huebert)

Panpiper:  Yes, I am familiar with those arguments, and I am not just unpersuaded; I believe a subsection of libertarianism is being led by the nose straight towards IP socialism with collectivist, utilitarian arguments. A film maker investing millions of their labor and capital into creating a work does not automatically have their work become the collective property of all man kind, simply because it was combined with bits instead of atoms. Socialism destroys that which it would steal.

Me:  Just because someone doesn't have a government granted monopoly of something (IP) doesn't mean he can't sell it, or profit from it. Nor does it mean that innovation can't occur, as the fashion industry and the article linked show.

How about this: mises.org/daily/3631 ("The Fallacy of Intellectual Property" by Daniel Krawisz)

Panpiper:  @vspqbd I cannot compete with free. If I make a video and try to sell it, while others are giving my work away for free, it is quite impossible to earn my investment back. You call it a government granted monopoly. I call it my property, which they simply protect as any, because it is the direct result of my own labor and capital. That others should have the 'right' to copy it, to distribute it, to sell it even, without compensating me for my own investment of labor and capital, is outrageous.

*EDIT* Fixed the hyperlink.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 23, 2011, 12:08:09 AM
I find myself less and less willing to get into huge debates with statists.  I seem to be more willing to just make a few points, and if that doesn't at least push them in the right direction, then it's obvious they're not interested in virtue, and thus I am trying to give them a pill they believe they don't need.
However, if anyone who wants to see me give rebutting commentary to the above IP-nonsense/state apologetics (much like in the Economic Insanity thread), just say so. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 23, 2011, 07:58:59 AM
Do it, DO IT NAO!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 25, 2011, 09:44:59 PM
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Note how he doesn't really seem to address the argument that taxation is theft.
So property ownership is subjective?  Makes me wonder what his bank account information is...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 28, 2011, 10:21:46 AM
Some jackass on a gaming forum:

Quotelike it or not, and dig up as many studies as you can, piracy definitely hurts digital media sales. I know far too many people who do it. though I will say, far more music than games and movies. you can make a study read whatever you want it to. as the saying goes, there's lies, damn lies, and statistics.

It doesn't matter actual research says, piracy is horrible and nothing will convince me otherwise!

I really hate dogmatic pricks.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 28, 2011, 10:55:12 AM
Quotelike it or not, and dig up as many studies as you can, piracy definitely hurts digital media sales. I know far too many people who do it. though I will say, far more music than games and movies. you can make a study read whatever you want it to. as the saying goes, there's lies, damn lies, and statistics.
Why do I now have a powerful urge to pirate as many video games, music and movies as my connection can handle?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 28, 2011, 11:02:39 AM
Because you are a vile, human degenerate who enjoys the sight of misery and anguish while helping himself to another spoon of baby seal?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 28, 2011, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on March 28, 2011, 11:02:39 AM
Because you are a vile, human degenerate who enjoys the sight of misery and anguish while helping himself to another spoon of baby seal?

Absolutely not! Baby seals should be barbecued, not stewed! Come on, we're not barbarians here...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 29, 2011, 11:13:50 AM
"Because guns don't get you high?" --A guy on David Gorski's Facebook page, in response to my question as to why gun prohibition would work any better than drug prohibition.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 29, 2011, 01:51:55 PM
These ladies beg to differ.  ::)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_29_shKT4Elw/TDy3IKrxtPI/AAAAAAAAKfU/r-aZ8RyKrXg/s1600/1nuns_with_guns_big.jpg)

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 30, 2011, 03:50:30 PM
Everything said by bdf2718 on this video's comment section (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=Y3S_mlOwNVc):

Some fun examples:

"Most libertarians are naive, ignorant and deluded. The rest, like the Koch brothers, are fucking liars trying to implement a plutarchy and using the rest of the libertarians as tools.

It's a story we've seen over and over. Only the names and the fairy tales justifying plutarchy change. Communism. Fascism. Catholicism (during the Dark ages, particularly)."
(Nevermind that everything he lists there is an example of a huge government something we are all opposed to by definition...)

After being called out by LTH:
"Oh my. I have never before seen anybody straw-man me by stating the diametric opposite of what I said.

You a sock-puppet of Virgil0211? Nah, you can't be. As trolls go that was very creative."
(Pot.  Kettle.  Black.)

And corrected by me:
"I'd agree with you that pointing out a logical conclusion of one of my points is not a straw man. But that's not what he did. He invented something I did not say. To be charitable he inferred something I did not say. Then he criticised what I did not say. That's straw-manning.

If you look closely you'll even see me criticising the Koch-supported fascism that LTH accuses me of supporting."
From there I got into a scuffle with him that I was way too tired and burned out from school to handle.
Basically, him demanding that I support the claim that he believed/used/whatever the definition of the government as I used it.

Never mind the fact that words have meanings and just because he 'thinks' government means what it does doesn't mean that's what it is...
I don't care what 'his' definition of government is, the reality is that government is a monopoly on the initiation of violence.  Words have meaning.  If I say the 'n-word' spelled out, does it matter how 'I' define it, or does it matter the reality of what it entails?  Same with any other word?  None of his smug-self-righteous bullshit will ever change that.

Unless he's literally talking about another universe or some nonsense.


So yeah...I HATE losing debates like this, especially when involving bullshit semantics with smug-asses like him. >_<
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 02, 2011, 11:17:25 AM
And as promised: 

Panpiper:  Copyright violation is not a crime of theft, it is more analogous to a crime of trespass.
I create a video, which I sell access to online. If it is copied and freely distributed by anyone, I cannot sell access to it. Being unable to profit from it, I cannot continue to create videos. The end result is that I do 'not' create videos. An absolute abrogation of the concept of intellectual property will virtually destroy certain kinds of art.
(Yet he never explains WHY copyright violation is like trespass...or at least does so in a very non-sequitur way)

Me:  For your benefit: mises.org/daily/5025 ("The Fight against Intellectual Property" by Jacob H. Huebert)


Panpiper:  Yes, I am familiar with those arguments, and I am not just unpersuaded; I believe a subsection of libertarianism is being led by the nose straight towards IP socialism with collectivist, utilitarian arguments. A film maker investing millions of their labor and capital into creating a work does not automatically have their work become the collective property of all man kind, simply because it was combined with bits instead of atoms. Socialism destroys that which it would steal.
(Yet you don't REFUTE any of those arguments.  Kind of a big deal there, asshole.)

Me:  Just because someone doesn't have a government granted monopoly of something (IP) doesn't mean he can't sell it, or profit from it. Nor does it mean that innovation can't occur, as the fashion industry and the article linked show.

How about this: mises.org/daily/3631 ("The Fallacy of Intellectual Property" by Daniel Krawisz)

Panpiper:  @vspqbd I cannot compete with free. If I make a video and try to sell it, while others are giving my work away for free, it is quite impossible to earn my investment back. You call it a government granted monopoly. I call it my property, which they simply protect as any, because it is the direct result of my own labor and capital. That others should have the 'right' to copy it, to distribute it, to sell it even, without compensating me for my own investment of labor and capital, is outrageous.

(So it's OK for you to make utilitarian arguments, but the second I make them I'm a 'socialist'? Even though "IP" involves the violation of property rights by definition AND requires, much like socialism an omnipotent state to enforce?  Fuck you, asshole.)

VectorM I didn't forgot (in case you or anyone else were wondering), I've just been up to my forehead in projects for school and only recently got the strength to even try. @_@

I should mention this corporatist fucktard gets his ass handed to him by truthadvocate and selfrealizedexile.
Here's the link again, since for some reason the one I provided didn't work:  http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=PVusj2a0pzg
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2011, 01:35:15 PM
From the comments of this video:  [yt]uUtZzXYH8BM[/yt]

"The truth is we humans have been eating 'fats', and of course fresh fruits and veg's(high in vitamins) since the cavemans arrived. Since agriculture arrived, planting grains high in calories and carbs, people started to gain diseases. Well, my point is, the message about 'good fats' and 'bad fats', its all a myth, there is no such thing.

In America almost all of the population have cars, almost all of us eat junk, and almost all of us DO NOT EXERCISE." --tuberman890

Because as we all know, disease didn't exist before agriculture, right?
*rolls eyes*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 04, 2011, 01:47:10 PM
I believe Jacob pointed this out, but the reason why we started getting more diseases at that point was that we were living long enough to get them.

It's kind of like when UHC nutbars point out how many more cases of cancer and Alzheimers we get as opposed to the UK (like the NHS has some miracle cure for these or something). It's simply because seniors in the US live longer, and thus have a greater chance of getting them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2011, 02:08:30 PM
Yup, it was in that same video too.

Speaking of Health Care, I find lifestyle and murder rates to make a difference as well.
Hence, I'm feeling bittersweet about this video:  [yt]elawIWbhrVc[/yt]

"rule of thumb" doesn't mean, 'definition' or 'absolute certain rule' it just means a rule with broad application that is not intended to be strictly accurate or reliable for every situation; a guideline.  Also, I almost face-palmed when he mentioned the point about health care being the reason why some countries have better life expectancies than others.  To an extend, but then he doesn't consider the USA one of them, despite us having among the best (albeit expensive) health care on the planet.
Of course it would be even better if it wasn't such a corporatist/socialist clusterfuck, but then, we all knew that.

Also, despite the good work he does regarding anti-vegan videos, this isn't one of his better videos on the subject, as are the ones defending the state (he's an admitted socialist...he's using property, and yet he finds people who use self detonating arguments stupid...interesting).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 04, 2011, 02:18:11 PM
What you need to look at is the life expectancy of the group: of those over 65 (that is, of those who don't die due to other factors like accidents or crime), how long do they live? And we're one of the best countries in the world in that regard.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2011, 03:39:57 PM
Indeed.

But there's more:

“causing all kinds of preventable conditions in humans like heart disease, obesity, type 2 diabetes and many forms of cancer”

According only to D.Ornish and other such ‘luminaries’ and mostly found in trials that other either couldnt reproduce, was purely analytical (copy paste science) in nature, based on questionaries or which showed not to disciminate between other foods and that more than anything else, wheat and processed sugar was singled out as a culprit since everywhere meat was in the shit people eat, wheat, soy and sugar was right there with it. The lipid hypothesis that have served hypocritical vegan promoters that pose as scientists so well has fallen a part completely.

Late last year teams at Copenhagen university isolated the gene that controls LDL (the bad kind) cholesterol in our body. Thats the good news, we have the culprit. The bad news is that it is a lottery. Some people can gorge on saturated fat, smoke cigars and drink whiskey every day of all their life and be fit is a weasel untill they die at age 100. While others can eat the most pristine foods and drink only holy water from tibet and drop dead from a heart attach at age 45. The fact remains, it is as good 100% out of your control. But exercise seem to do a lot of a difference as does mainting muscle volume throughout life. These are facts! --Homo Carnivorous, http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2011/02/23/vegan-diet-2/

Quite a bit wrong with both of those, really...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 09, 2011, 07:53:45 PM
By this idiot TheUSMetalhead, in the comments of this video:


[yt]7z7S_3MesI8&feature=related[/yt]

QuoteLegalize prostitution, about the dumbest idea I can think of.

What that very first guy asked is the issue, legalization will allow pimps to safely engage in slavery and human trafficking. This goof from Carson City is the owner of a well known establishment, the only kind in America, he's a horrible example of what really happens in this world.

Libertarians are mostly good folks who have more in common with progressives like me than any other movement, but they're ignorant on social issues.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 09, 2011, 10:05:33 PM
Yeah, cause everyone knows how safe prostition is right now thanks to the laws...

What is WITH this mentality of "If we remove law X, tragedy Y will occur.  Yeah...Y is already occuring anyway but that doesn't count!"?  You really have to try to be that anti-emperical.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 10, 2011, 07:07:02 AM
Statists chain up a dog and never let him run, which of course causes the dog to become vicious. They then say, "See how vicious that dog is? You see now why I have to keep him chained!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 10, 2011, 09:25:02 AM
Maybe it's just but... doesn't Stossel sound like he has at least one Bourbon per comercial break?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 10, 2011, 09:34:18 AM
He has a speech impediment that he struggles with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 10, 2011, 05:24:33 PM
"I like this video. It is absolutely irrefutable evidence of design and complex thought used in the design of bacteria." --GoodScienceForYou, and everything else he's said.
The source is this video's comments:  [yt]gJVjTh98aHU[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 10, 2011, 06:15:45 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 10, 2011, 09:34:18 AM
He has a speech impediment that he struggles with.

Meh, it would be more impressive if he'd do his shows dead drunk.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 13, 2011, 08:13:24 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdxP-3gmNWI&feature=feedu  I like his anti vegan vids but man, he epically fails here
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 13, 2011, 08:29:28 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 13, 2011, 08:13:24 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdxP-3gmNWI&feature=feedu  I like his anti vegan vids but man, he epically fails here

I made it about 45 seconds in, then my head started hurting too much to continue.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 13, 2011, 09:50:39 PM
Wait till you get to the part about how war is TOTALLY different than murder.

I should do a vid on this one some time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 13, 2011, 10:49:11 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 13, 2011, 08:29:28 PM
I made it about 45 seconds in, then my head started hurting too much to continue.
And it's about to hurt even more.
check out the comments on this video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba030UmbkCo
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 14, 2011, 03:22:19 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 13, 2011, 08:13:24 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdxP-3gmNWI&feature=feedu  I like his anti vegan vids but man, he epically fails here

Oh, cmon now. I unsubscribe to him, because I can't understand half of what he is saying. Not his fault, not everyone is born an English gentleman after all.

But now this? Seriously.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 15, 2011, 09:05:55 AM
Every comment by MorganMarvinson in the comment section of this video:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 16, 2011, 03:20:15 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 10, 2011, 07:07:02 AMStatists chain up a dog and never let him run, which of course causes the dog to become vicious. They then say, "See how vicious that dog is? You see now why I have to keep him chained!"

Shouldn't this be in Fav quotes?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 16, 2011, 03:23:34 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 13, 2011, 08:13:24 PMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdxP-3gmNWI&feature=feedu  I like his anti vegan vids but man, he epically fails here

I've already shared my thoughts on that train-wreck of a video with you over AIM last night.
The part that really freaked me out was around 0:57 when he actually defended the atrocities in the Bible.  That's a tactic I've only ever seen from full-blown Young Earth Creationists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 16, 2011, 03:53:37 PM
From the comments of the video that Lord T Hawkeye shared:

"then you'd better be careful that your planned video doesn't backfire." --ThatGuyFromAustria
Is it just me or does that sound like a threat?

"Another fallacy - 'Religion is to blame for most violence in the world and/or history'
No. Though-out history individual groups had become prominent and to retain power they appealed to the masses by spinning whatever beliefs they subscribed to, whether religious or political in nature.
The communists in Asia proved that one doesn't need to be religious to be completely twisted and irrational. They didn't need a God to perform genocide and mass hysteria is not limited to religion." --canucktunes
By that 'logic', cancer is not to blame for the deaths of millions because you don't need to get cancer to die.
Also, I've never heard an atheist say religion was responsible for "all" the violence.  Given his lack of specific examples, I can thus conclude that atheist "fallacy" to be a strawman on his part.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2011, 08:59:45 PM
"@OatSharpener Okay, just making sure. I don't think that is possible in the world that we live in today simply because it is far safer to not bother sending in troops to invade and instead just do damage from the inside. Besides, under certain circumstances, foreign intervention is justified, to a limited degree. I realize that Iraq and Afghanistan were mistakes, but to remove ourselves completely from them at this point would leave a country that utterly despises the US." --Delichtig (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaACuHe0oZ8)

Translation:  AH THE SKY IS FALLING!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 19, 2011, 09:22:30 PM
Yeah, what did he mean by "do damage from the inside"? Is that a dig at "illegal" immigration?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2011, 10:08:54 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 19, 2011, 09:22:30 PMYeah, what did he mean by "do damage from the inside"? Is that a dig at "illegal" immigration?

I have no idea.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 20, 2011, 07:17:38 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 19, 2011, 08:59:45 PM
but to remove ourselves completely from them at this point would leave a country that utterly despises the US."[/url]

And staying there will make them hate you less? How?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 21, 2011, 05:54:56 PM
Every single comment by themanofearth on this video: [yt]PaACuHe0oZ8[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 23, 2011, 09:35:38 AM
http://www.copyhype.com/2011/01/the-fallacy-of-intellectual-property-fallacy/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 24, 2011, 04:03:50 AM
[yt]nxcEa_Qz7c8[/yt]

1.  Even if a person is careless with their keys or whatever, it doesn't magically make theft no longer theft.
2.  So by his logic, men are animals who can't control themselves and who upon seeing a body will leap at it and rape the crap out of it.
3.  How then, does he account for most rapes (around 75% last I checked) occurring between people who know each other?
4.  Finally, by focusing on the victim he completely lets the dickheads initiating force on BOTH counts of theft and rape completely off the hook.  Really, it reminds me of Alex Jones and his merry band of conspiracy nutters who bitch and moan about the evil "private" bankers, while completely letting the government crooks who established that system to begin with completely off the hook.  Complete fucking tool.
5.  You know, for someone into Ayn Rand and probably others as well, he sure lacks an understanding of natural rights and natural law theory.  His butchering of it near the end is pretty hard to listen to.  Really, his conflation of a defense of property rights (against theft and against rape) and comparing it to "cultural Marxism" (however the fuck this douche bag defines that) is rather pathetic.

Kinda explains why so many state apologists try to use Ayn Rand as an instant win phrase.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 24, 2011, 10:32:30 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 24, 2011, 04:03:50 AM
5.  You know, for someone into Ayn Rand and probably others as well, he sure lacks an understanding of natural rights and natural law theory.

Don't say that as if the two are somehow mutually exclusive--or any great surprise.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 24, 2011, 01:33:35 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 24, 2011, 10:32:30 AMDon't say that as if the two are somehow mutually exclusive--or any great surprise.

True.  Granted, I've never actually read Rand, nor am I going to.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 24, 2011, 04:09:19 PM
Every comment by kDest left on this video:  [yt]qAiYlaGxyV0[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 26, 2011, 10:13:09 PM
[yt]A1vUwScT584[/yt]
That and all of Nightmare060's comments on it too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 27, 2011, 06:37:27 AM
Did you notice his sources were things like Wikipedia, YouTube, and the Huffington Post?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on April 27, 2011, 09:28:21 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 26, 2011, 10:13:09 PM
[yt]A1vUwScT584[/yt]
That and all of Nightmare060's comments on it too.

I love how all of his arguments were addressed here.

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=cpeoZsCobrM&page=2

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=cpeoZsCobrM&page=3

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=cpeoZsCobrM&page=5

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=cpeoZsCobrM&page=7

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=cpeoZsCobrM&page=8

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=cpeoZsCobrM&page=9

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=cpeoZsCobrM&page=10

(Just put them after the youtube URL.) [EDIT: You do realize you can post full links here, right? --MrB]

I'm going to regularly post that in the comments of that video to make sure that anyone who comes across it can easily check where his arguments have been addressed before.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 28, 2011, 11:45:40 PM
[yt]ZnyVP-wCB8k[/yt]

I almost didn't post that because I figured it was a joke, but what the hell?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 29, 2011, 01:14:22 AM
[yt]TRtyuRbGxi0[/yt]
Sample: "This is capitalism: where people who have the money control everything."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 29, 2011, 01:22:22 AM
From the same person who us that video about communism:  [yt]VKnMly11X5Y[/yt]
Note how every single thing he lists is caused or made worse by government...
Our state has been crushing capitalism over the years and...wait a minute...there's a bigger wealth gap?  How could this have happened?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 29, 2011, 09:11:33 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 29, 2011, 01:14:22 AMSample: "This is capitalism: where people who have the money control everything."

Isn't that the equivalent of an Illuminati-esque conspiracy theory?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 29, 2011, 11:33:42 AM
I thought it was too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 01, 2011, 12:29:58 PM
"Feudalism was based entirely on private property and contracts, just like the Libertarians want in their society [Ergo, libertarians are feudalists]"
- Rundstedt1, Guncriminal's Moron Hall of Fame (http://www.youtube.com/Guncriminal)
I recall kDest trying to argue something like that too, only with him it was a warlord fetish.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 02, 2011, 02:13:09 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 01, 2011, 12:29:58 PM
"Feudalism was based entirely on private property and contracts, just like the Libertarians want in their society [Ergo, libertarians are feudalists]"
- Rundstedt1, Guncriminal's Moron Hall of Fame (http://www.youtube.com/Guncriminal)
I recall kDest trying to argue something like that too, only with him it was a warlord fetish.

This would be a bad time to bring up my interest in swords and medieval swordplay. <.< >.>
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 03, 2011, 07:08:47 AM
Every comment by this idiot http://www.youtube.com/user/Slipknotyk06 in the comments of this video:

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QuoteThe second in command for Al Qaeda is known. It's Al Zawhiri. He will move up in the absence of Bin Laden. I think keeping on the assault would be a game of whack-a-mole. However, showing mercy may be a mistake. It may give them an opportunity to regroup and conduct an other action against us. It may be rather naive to believe that if we stop attacking them they'll stop attacking us. It's a conflict many generations old.

QuoteAs a former Airman, I would love to see this war over. However, I do think that much of the stance of "if we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone" is naivety nearly to the point of retardation. The first strike of Islam on the US was the plunder of cities in the Carolinas and Georgia in the 18th century, and the reprisal was the defeat of these Barbary pirates on the shores of Tripoli in America's first war abroad.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 03, 2011, 08:23:24 AM
If no terrorist steps forward to take bin Laden's place, it will be necessary for our government to create one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 03, 2011, 12:25:11 PM
http://phantom-inker.deviantart.com/journal/40282083/?offset=25#comments

You gotta love people with their "I'm too edumucated to respond to you peasants!" nonsense.  The whole thing is just full of nauseating jingoism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 03, 2011, 03:45:31 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on May 03, 2011, 12:25:11 PMhttp://phantom-inker.deviantart.com/journal/40282083/?offset=25#comments

You gotta love people with their "I'm too edumucated to respond to you peasants!" nonsense.  The whole thing is just full of nauseating jingoism.

Yeah, I could only handle a line or two of the guy you were conversing with there.  Then I got the urge to claw my eyes out.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 03, 2011, 03:46:55 PM
"This video straw man's Keynes so hard that I want to cry.
Ugh." --TheAnonymouz in response to this video:  [yt]d0nERTFo-Sk[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 03, 2011, 04:01:19 PM
And how does he explain the fact that lots of Keynesian economists said they did a good job putting his theory across?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 03, 2011, 04:03:04 PM
He doesn't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 03, 2011, 06:26:37 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 03, 2011, 03:46:55 PM
"This video straw man's Keynes so hard that I want to cry.
Ugh." --TheAnonymouz in response to this video:  [yt]d0nERTFo-Sk[/yt]

Sounds like something so stupid, it had to be from Krugman or Stiglitz. Except, if I remember correctly, even they liked the video. At least Stiglitz did. Krugman's gone so far off the deep end these days, he's not even relevant.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 03, 2011, 07:14:26 PM
http://www.slate.com/id/9593
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 03, 2011, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on May 03, 2011, 06:26:37 PM
Sounds like something so stupid, it had to be from Krugman or Stiglitz. Except, if I remember correctly, even they liked the video. At least Stiglitz did. Krugman's gone so far off the deep end these days, he's not even relevant.

Krugman should like it--they used his "hangover" metaphor!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 04, 2011, 01:44:32 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 07, 2011, 06:39:55 AM
Related to the video that surhot just posted over in Fav Quotes by ProfMTH (God appointed Hitler?), I'd like to submit the first half of Romans 13 as a fail quote:

"1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor." --New International Version

I can already imagine my conservative agnostic ex-friend saying, "they only wrote stuff like that to avoid the persecution of that awful government..."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 04, 2011, 04:29:41 PM
[yt]HrFZLNZHwL4[/yt]

For saying that Osama's death is a good thing.
And that the military should be praised for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 05, 2011, 04:06:37 PM
Every post made by AmericanNohbuddy in the comments section of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMyQk9qdkKQ).
A sample, but from his profile: "If taxation is theft wouldn't the use of public property when you don't pay your taxes be trespassing?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 06, 2011, 11:07:05 AM
http://www.cracked.com/funny-4179-credit-cards/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 06, 2011, 07:37:10 PM
So if you take out a 10k loan with a credit card and not a bank like a sensible people do and think you're going to get away with paying it back at a measly 2% a month and act surprised when the fees end up adding up because you failed at basic arithmatic, this is all a sign that the BANKS are the assholes and we should be grateful that the people running the world's largest ponzi scheme are on the job to keep our finances safe?

Sure!  Makes perfect sense!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 06, 2011, 09:58:44 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on May 06, 2011, 07:37:10 PM
So if you take out a 10k loan with a credit card and not a bank like a sensible people do and think you're going to get away with paying it back at a measly 2% a month and act surprised when the fees end up adding up because you failed at basic arithmatic, this is all a sign that the BANKS are the assholes and we should be grateful that the people running the world's largest ponzi scheme are on the job to keep our finances safe?

Sure!  Makes perfect sense!

*Whips out Abacus and Papyrus paper*

*Calculates*

Nope. Can't find anything wrong with that logic there. It must be perfect, then. =P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 06, 2011, 11:00:52 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on May 06, 2011, 07:37:10 PM
So if you take out a 10k loan with a credit card and not a bank like a sensible people do and think you're going to get away with paying it back at a measly 2% a month and act surprised when the fees end up adding up because you failed at basic arithmatic, this is all a sign that the BANKS are the assholes and we should be grateful that the people running the world's largest ponzi scheme are on the job to keep our finances safe?

Sure!  Makes perfect sense!

That actually wasn't the reason that bit from Cracked was a fail.
It was put there because, according to a comment Shane once made on a video, you would pay back a credit card debt in about 10-15 years when making the minimum payments.  Given that Cracked didn't provide any sources for those figures, I'm going to have to go with Shane on this one.  Occam's Razor and all that.
They blame all of this on overturning of laws regulating and/or banning that sort of thing, but again, given they didn't provide a link to the Federal Register and/or Congress to show this, I am convinced that claim is also bullshit.  So more Occam's Razor for the win.
Here's the thing though.  Even if what they said weren't nonsense, it would STILL vindicate the pro-freedom position.
Think about it.  Who runs the education system that's supposed to TEACH people about that sort of thing?  The government.
Who has been in total control of the money supply and interest rates for almost a century now?  The Government.  Or more specifically the Federal Reserve.
Who's been pumping money into the economy like mad for decades now?  The government's Federal Reserve.
Who's massive taxation and regulation drives up prices relative to disposable income and makes it so people HAVE to take out loans they wouldn't otherwise take on in a free market?  The government.
Who's propping up of fractional reserve banking amplifies inflation and makes people need to take loans more than they otherwise would need on a free market?
(not a fail quote):  [yt]V7xyfCZwKqQ[/yt]
You know this one.
And which sector is the most heavily regulated by our precious government? Yeah, the financial sector (with health care being a close second).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2011, 12:24:38 AM
I originally wasn't going to post this, but after that troll posting a variation of it on one of Shane's videos, I figure I might as well:

Quote from: some state cultist who thought he was clever, but failed miserably at it"A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE LIBERTARIAN"

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.

The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
(Source: first post in this link (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=28320))

Shane does a good job refuting it, both in that forum post, and on his video's comments too.

Another fail quote would be the person trying to convince him (either in that thread or another) that government isn't force.  I've never seen that kind of nitpicking ever.
Gotta love the insanity statists will go through to justify their religion.
ALL HAIL THE CULT OF THE OMNIPOTENT STATE!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2011, 12:54:11 AM
For posterity, I'll also post the variation of that copypasta by the troll, simply because this is the second time I've seen it posted.  The first time being from that clownporn1 guy, IIRC:

Quote from: AmericanNohbuddy & clownporn1This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy.

I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. Then, I brushed my teeth with that water, filtered to standards set by the EPA and my state.

After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the FED and printed by the Federal Bureau of Engraving and Printing. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

I park my car on the street, paved and maintained by the Department of Transportation, and put quarters issued by the United States Mint into the parking meter.

Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, I drive back to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and the fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log onto the Internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right.
(Source (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=bMyQk9qdkKQ))
As stated in my previous post in this thread, Shane did a pretty good job of refuting that lame copypasta.

Perhaps the biggest fail quote was when, after Shane pointed out that the above is filled with logical fallacies he says:

Quote from: AmericanNohbuddyWhat fallacy? You guys use government things every single day, then go online and complain about government.
(Source (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=bMyQk9qdkKQ))
Shane didn't address the elephant in the room, so I will.
It seems these trolls have no humanity left in them, as they don't quite seem to grasp how despicable their argument is.
By AmericanNohbuddy's and clownporn1's logic, a slave who accepts a meal from his master is a hypocrite and wrong for opposing slavery.
Is that a hyperbole?  Not really.  He's basically saying that if you are against government breaking your leg, then if you accept the crutch, you think having your leg broken was actually moral.  There is no difference, not in kind or even degree, only in name and PR.

Or as one of the folks on the Mises Institute forum put it: So public schools, government roads, government regulations, etc etc etc are all voluntary?  Holy shit, someone better tell that to Irwin Schiff.  He's been in the slammer for like, what, 30 years now?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2011, 10:43:05 AM
"War is the best incentive for the scientific and technological development. btw the era of modern computers owes much to the major advances made during the WW2 because of the war." --WarmongerWW3, on Stargazer5781's channel page
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 07, 2011, 10:52:16 AM
"if everything is so bad here, why not go to live in another country?" - my own mother.

She is one of the Obama drones though so that doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2011, 10:59:14 AM
Quote from: D.Turcotte on May 07, 2011, 10:52:16 AM
"if everything is so bad here, why not go to live in another country?" - my own mother.

She is one of the Obama drones though so that doesn't surprise me.

I would send her a copy of this:  http://www.harrybrowne.org/articles/AmericaLoveIt.htm (not a fail quote, obviously).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 07, 2011, 03:57:17 PM
Is it just me, or is that CFLarsen dude, from the Randi forums, a giant cockbag?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 07, 2011, 04:03:01 PM
Pretty much, yes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2011, 04:51:22 PM
Quote from: VectorM on May 07, 2011, 03:57:17 PM
Is it just me, or is that CFLarsen dude, from the Randi forums, a giant cockbag?
Yeah.  If memory serves, he was the one going through the massive evasion of government being force.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 07, 2011, 05:04:54 PM
Quote from: D.Turcotte on May 07, 2011, 10:52:16 AM
"if everything is so bad here, why not go to live in another country?" - my own mother.

She is one of the Obama drones though so that doesn't surprise me.

"Yeah, sure. I'll move just like you did during Bush's presidency. I mean, you sucked it up and dealt with it, right? Oh, wait. I guess you just don't have any arguments left."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2011, 05:24:08 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on May 07, 2011, 05:04:54 PM"Yeah, sure. I'll move just like you did during Bush's presidency. I mean, you sucked it up and dealt with it, right? Oh, wait. I guess you just don't have any arguments left."

FLAWLESS VICTORY
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 08, 2011, 02:53:41 PM
"The Chicago economist then writes that the Federal Reserve is charged with limiting inflation, 'which it can do over the long run by limiting the supply of money and similar assets in the hands of the public.'" --Casey B. Mulligan (http://mises.org/daily/5269)

What!?  Is Mulligan on mad crack?  Does he not know what Quantitative Easing even is?  As many complaints as I have had about my own economics professor, at least he admitted that Quantitative Easing = firing up the printing press.

And people wonder why Austrian School Economists have so little (if any) respect for the Chicago School of Economics...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 08, 2011, 03:26:27 PM
It's hard to believe that Milton Friedman and Ben Bernanke are from the same school...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 08, 2011, 03:53:52 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 08, 2011, 03:26:27 PMIt's hard to believe that Milton Friedman and Ben Bernanke are from the same school...

Where did I say they were? :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 08, 2011, 04:06:29 PM
No, they are: they're both monetarists!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 08, 2011, 04:14:31 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 08, 2011, 04:06:29 PMNo, they are: they're both monetarists!

NM.  I misinterpreted your post.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 08, 2011, 07:33:07 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 07, 2011, 05:24:08 PM
FLAWLESS VICTORY

Ironically, I wasn't allowed to play Mortal Kombat when I was a kid, and I was never good at it when I could sneak it at the arcade or when they finally let me play it. =P

I prefer this fighting game reference, if only to inflate my own ego: [yt]mbzo8rieYIM&feature=relmfu[/yt]

or this: [yt]ZDA1n62XLVs[/yt]

And is it just me, or is that argument the fighting game equivalent of this?: [yt]n0zJLCML8qA&feature=related[/yt]

Quote from: MrBogosity on May 08, 2011, 04:06:29 PM
No, they are: they're both monetarists!

That reminds me of another fail quote. Not for the quote itself, but what he ended up doing later.

"Friedman, about the depression, you were right. We did it, and we're very sorry." - Bernanke on accepting appointment to federal reserve chairman.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 08, 2011, 09:36:05 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on May 08, 2011, 07:33:07 PM
Ironically, I wasn't allowed to play Mortal Kombat when I was a kid, and I was never good at it when I could sneak it at the arcade or when they finally let me play it. =P

I prefer this fighting game reference, if only to inflate my own ego: [yt]mbzo8rieYIM&feature=relmfu[/yt]

or this: [yt]ZDA1n62XLVs[/yt]

And is it just me, or is that argument the fighting game equivalent of this?: [yt]n0zJLCML8qA&feature=related[/yt]

That reminds me of another fail quote. Not for the quote itself, but what he ended up doing later.

"Friedman, about the depression, you were right. We did it, and we're very sorry." - Bernanke on accepting appointment to federal reserve chairman.

No love for SNK?!

I'll take King of Fighters over Street Fighter any day of the week.


As far as fail quotes go, this one is more relevant if you are a fan of pro wrestling, but some of the stuff in here is just so baffling that even people who aren't wrestling fans can see the bullshit for what it is.

http://www.imdb.com/list/A5QwbNs75to/

Some examples include:
QuoteIf anyone reading this is a parent of a child who's a wrestling fan, please, for the sake of the true wrestling fans (the ones who were watching before your young child started watching and will still be there by the time your child stops...assumimg wrestling isn't in the gutter by then) stop letting your kids watch wrestling, or at least stop buying them John Cena merchandise. Maybe then, WWE will see that a rated PG show for wrestling doesn't work.

Or how about this one in reference to Chris Benoit:
QuoteEveryone heard the news story. In 2007, Chris Benoit murdered his wife and son before committing suicide. In addition to being a horrible person in general, Benoit's actions led to WWE becoming less ballsy and less edge, and more careful with their storylines so as not to offend anyone. Yes, Benoit killed the "attitude" once and for all (though to be fair, the attitude was already on its way out. Benoit only put the exclamation point on its death).

And then there's the fact that Benoit's actions led to WWE implementing a stupid drug-testing policy that has led to wrestlers being suspended, fired, or lowered in status when the product would probably be better if they were still in prominent spots. It's because of this policy that a great wrestler like Rob Van Dam was frustrated and decided to quit WWE, that a great future star like Brian Kendrick was fired, and that great wrestlers like William Regal and John Morrison are unable to become the top stars they deserve to be.

It's all because of Benoit.

It should be noted that this particular person is saying that these people are ruining the business.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 08, 2011, 09:40:37 PM
Quote from: D.Turcotte on May 08, 2011, 09:36:05 PM
No love for SNK?!

I'll take King of Fighters over Street Fighter any day of the weak.

Didn't SNK go under about 10 years ago?

And remember, Akuma kicked the ass of the main villain from the SNK series in Capcom VS SNK.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 08, 2011, 09:45:02 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on May 08, 2011, 09:40:37 PM
Didn't SNK go under about 10 years ago?

And remember, Akuma kicked the ass of the main villain from the SNK series in Capcom VS SNK.

SNK Playmore is still going (New name, same company.)

Also, Rugal is not a main villain in the KOF series. Canonically, he only appeared in KOF 94 and 95. He does make appearances in the "dream match" games, but he's not a main villain. That being said, you could also make the argument that it's just Capcom giving themselves the boost.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 08, 2011, 10:16:22 PM
Quote from: D.Turcotte on May 08, 2011, 09:45:02 PM
SNK Playmore is still going (New name, same company.)

Also, Rugal is not a main villain in the KOF series. Canonically, he only appeared in KOF 94 and 95. He does make appearances in the "dream match" games, but he's not a main villain. That being said, you could also make the argument that it's just Capcom giving themselves the boost.

Actually, it was originally playmore. It got started after SNK originally went under, and didn't go by SNK playmore until 2003. So, yeah, SNK did go under for a couple of years. I just prefer the street fighter characters, as well as the music. Just my personal preference.

And I think capcom has a right to brag. They've done very well for themselves, and they've never gone under even once. =P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 10, 2011, 08:30:52 PM
Every comment by eirefrance on this video:  [yt]qAiYlaGxyV0[/yt]

I was going to rebut his latest bloviating, hand-waving nonsense posts to me, but after seeing this:

"I'm not sure I would describe the Nazis as corrupt. Corruption isn't really the right word for crazy fundamentalists tied to their beliefs above all, including economic policy. But private German and non-German companies did use forced labor from Nazis and profited from it. And some of those companies are still around today." (Emphasis added by me.)

I finally realized that he's too far gone into the cult of statism to be worth any more of my precious time.
Aside from the obvious, given the insanity he's spewed, I think it's safe to say he just affirmed Godwin's Law.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 11, 2011, 09:05:29 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 10, 2011, 08:30:52 PM
Every comment by eirefrance on this video:  [yt]qAiYlaGxyV0[/yt]

I was going to rebut his latest bloviating, hand-waving nonsense posts to me, but after seeing this:

"I'm not sure I would describe the Nazis as corrupt. Corruption isn't really the right word for crazy fundamentalists tied to their beliefs above all, including economic policy. But private German and non-German companies did use forced labor from Nazis and profited from it. And some of those companies are still around today." (Emphasis added by me.)

I finally realized that he's too far gone into the cult of statism to be worth any more of my precious time.
Aside from the obvious, given the insanity he's spewed, I think it's safe to say he just affirmed Godwin's Law.

What? You're just gonna leave him alone after that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 11, 2011, 02:27:32 PM
Every single quote from our newest forum member sonylr. And by every single quote, I really do mean EVERY SINGLE DAMN QUOTE.

He only has 10 or so, but DAAAYUM. Makes my head spin.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 11, 2011, 03:22:19 PM
Our new RCO?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 11, 2011, 03:53:14 PM
I thought sfiorare was the new RCO?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 11, 2011, 04:19:25 PM
Actually, to be honest, at first glance I thought sonylr was a spammer. But none of his posts were actual spam.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 11, 2011, 04:49:28 PM
Every time I see the same user responding to the a whole bunch of threads at the same time, I assume spam too. Boy, was I unpleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 11, 2011, 04:51:50 PM
@Shane & VectorM:  You thought it was spam at first too, huh?  Glad I wasn't the only one.  And yes, his gibbering definitely belongs in the fail quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 11, 2011, 05:31:13 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 11, 2011, 04:51:50 PM
@Shane & VectorM:  You thought it was spam at first too, huh?  Glad I wasn't the only one.  And yes, his gibbering definitely belongs in the fail quotes.

Don't be too harsh on him. His posts seem like they're ESL.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 11, 2011, 06:23:33 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on May 11, 2011, 05:31:13 PMDon't be too harsh on him. His posts seem like they're ESL.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 12, 2011, 10:08:05 AM
From http://www.cracked.com/article_19192_6-things-you-wonE28099t-believe-got-banned-by-modern-governments.html
"As much as we love thinking of ourselves as the rebellious kids fighting against an oppressive society run by unreasonable old men, the truth is that most things that are illegal are illegal for a reason. Society just doesn't enjoy your public urination as much as you do.

But sometimes, the grownups get it wrong. Hilariously wrong, in fact."

Yes, because our mommy governments are pure heated and who follow the will and best interest of the people--you stupid rebel brats--and anything not in the spirit of the public interest is a mere anomaly that can be voted out in the next election.  *rolls eyes*

Asside from that godawful condescending introduction, the rest of the article seems decent (Granted, I've only read the last item on the list).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 13, 2011, 06:47:37 PM
[yt]-3zbm-Hcwl4[/yt]

Not a fail quote:  "This is so unfortunate that a nutritionist like her is promoting such false and misleading information. She is identifying High Fructose Corn Syrup with Fructose in fruits!

The fructose in high fructose corn syrup is from genetically modified, dead corn. It is chemically converted to corn syrup. It has been proven clinically that it produced visceral fat which leads to the metabolic syndrome.

HFCS has also proved to cause diabetes. Such a shame. She gives us nutritionists a bad image." --metabolismmakeover1 

So is there a difference between HFCS and the Fructose in fruit?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2011, 08:37:54 PM
Every comment made by ThickShades0 in this video's comment section:

[yt]arBLUCO8_gM[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 16, 2011, 08:40:42 PM
This entire image.

(http://www.leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/types_of_libertarian1.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2011, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: D.Turcotte on May 16, 2011, 08:40:42 PM
This entire image.

[Image omitted from quote to save space.]

Oh, we've seen that one.  Unfortunately for the makers of the original, The folks at the Mises Institute forum have as well, and, well, let's just say they had some fun with it:

(http://i.imgur.com/2axVG.png)

(http://laughingatpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/24typesof.png)

(http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/the24typesofauthoritarian1.gif)

It should go without saying that the above three aren't fail quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 17, 2011, 04:33:45 PM
"Why would you vote Libertarian? They only get 1% of the vote. You should vote for a party that actually stands a chance of winning." - My uncle.

"I believe that those who have more money should be forced by the government to give some of their money to those less fortunate than them. We all live in the same community, and if someone doesn't want to help out, they should leave." - My mother.

"I vote for Democrats because that is my team. It's like the New York Giants vs. The Dallas Cowboys. I don't really care about their position, but I can't stand to watch my team lose." - My brother

I think I've mentioned that my family is full of idiots right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 17, 2011, 04:56:54 PM
Quote from: D.Turcotte on May 17, 2011, 04:33:45 PM"Why would you vote Libertarian? They only get 1% of the vote. You should vote for a party that actually stands a chance of winning." - My uncle.

The "horse race" mentality.

Quote"I believe that those who have more money should be forced by the government to give some of their money to those less fortunate than them. We all live in the same community, and if someone doesn't want to help out, they should leave." - My mother.

The "I want to feel generous but I don't want to actually give my own money so I want to force others to do it" mentality.

Quote"I vote for Democrats because that is my team. It's like the New York Giants vs. The Dallas Cowboys. I don't really care about their position, but I can't stand to watch my team lose." - My brother

The "Should really be at frat houses crunching beer cans against his forehead rather than having anything to do with setting policy" mentality.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 17, 2011, 07:29:03 PM
Quote from: D.Turcotte on May 17, 2011, 04:33:45 PM
"Why would you vote Libertarian? They only get 1% of the vote. You should vote for a party that actually stands a chance of winning." - My uncle.
Refuted by Shane in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjUtYQ1dvuA)

Quote from: D.Turcotte on May 17, 2011, 04:33:45 PM"I believe that those who have more money should be forced by the government to give some of their money to those less fortunate than them. We all live in the same community, and if someone doesn't want to help out, they should leave." - My mother.
Government welfare:  When you care so much about a stranger, you're willing to have government rob another stranger at gunpoint to pay for the first one's expenses.

Quote from: D.Turcotte on May 17, 2011, 04:33:45 PM"I vote for Democrats because that is my team. It's like the New York Giants vs. The Dallas Cowboys. I don't really care about their position, but I can't stand to watch my team lose." - My brother

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/mvp27444/l_cb959ca2996ecf8df49a20767a333a68.jpg?t=1243325228)


Quote from: D.Turcotte on May 17, 2011, 04:33:45 PMI think I've mentioned that my family is full of idiots right?
Yes, many times.  And if those quotes are the sort of thing you deal with on a daily basis, I really can't say I blame you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 17, 2011, 08:28:49 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 17, 2011, 04:56:54 PM
The "I want to feel generous but I don't want to actually give my own money so I want to force others to do it" mentality.

Yeah, I've had debates about this issue several times with my mother.

I've told her several times that you cannot force charity. Charity simply is not force. That's the whole point. It's supposed to be a choice. You choose to donate. Once you eliminate the choice, you've turned charity into nothing more than government run armed robbery.

Of course being the state cultist she is, she treats government like a god figure and deems them beyond our standards and thus, if they do it, it must be for the greater good...unless they're Republicans.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 17, 2011, 11:06:22 PM
"@Virgil0211: Something like that :) Remember, though, Vietnam, Korea and a few other "police actions" also weren't "wars" by definition, despite loss of life on several sides and the use of military force. The moronic "war on ~fitb~" they come up with are not actual wars and don't involve the military or have targets you can apply military force to. All they have ever done is criminalize and stigmatize some of the population, cost billions or aggrandize some political hack or all three." --RyuDarragh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNCv9BgPb58)

As Virgil so eloquently responded (not a fail):  "@RyuDarragh *sigh* I remember when words used to mean something, back in the 1800s..."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on May 18, 2011, 01:37:11 AM
Quote from: VectorM on May 11, 2011, 03:53:14 PM
I thought sfiorare was the new RCO?

I thought I was the new RCO.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 18, 2011, 04:14:38 AM
No, you are just the current Gumba Masta.

QuoteI think I've mentioned that my family is full of idiots right?

I've told this story before, but there was this one time when I told my family about Lysander Spooner. I didn't remember his name at the time I talked about him, so I just explained what he did. How he run a private postal service, that did a better job than the one the government provided, at a cheaper price. And how the government shut him down, so they won't need to compete with him.

And then, almost everyone said, that it was another private organization that shut him down. I did a mental face-palm after that.

Keep in mind, they had NO IDEA who this guy was, before I mentioned him. They've never heard of this story, EVER. And yet they had the audacity to tell me what actually happened. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 18, 2011, 06:24:06 AM
Quote from: VectorM on May 18, 2011, 04:14:38 AMKeep in mind, they had NO IDEA who this guy was, before I mentioned him. They've never heard of this story, EVER. And yet they had the audacity to tell me what actually happened. Unbelievable.

Yeah, I get that all the time: someone's never heard of someone or something and two minutes later they're acting like an expert about it.

I get that with some other people, too, can't think of whom right at the moment...something to do with biology, and they pretend to be knowledgeable of principles of biology and evidence for morphology and genetics they hadn't heard of five minutes earlier...let's see, whom am I thinking of...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 18, 2011, 02:36:06 PM
"Like the rest of America I cheered at the news of the killing of Osama bin Laden. I was thrilled. It made my night...and the next day too. One of the great vile, evil, villains of modern history had been eliminated. If you weren't celebrating, there is a chip missing from your DNA." --Wayne Allyn Root

<RED_DWARF>No, he hasn't--you're still here!</RED_DWARF>
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 18, 2011, 04:02:11 PM
"Who are you to ask whether or not God's action is justified? Whatever God does is just no matter what you say or think." - A super Christian I had a conversation with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 18, 2011, 04:20:25 PM
Ask him the age-old question: does God do it because it's just, or is it just because God does it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 18, 2011, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 18, 2011, 04:20:25 PM
Ask him the age-old question: does God do it because it's just, or is it just because God does it?

That's really not even the worst of it.

Here's one person's view of why atheists are wrong when it comes to the afterlife:
"So I can't really understand how Atheist can say there is god or heaven when 1)No dead Atheist has ever come and been like 'Well there no heaven guys, I been down here for hours and I'm just rotting', It's kinda silly in alot of ways."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 18, 2011, 10:02:05 PM
Quote from: D.Turcotte on May 18, 2011, 04:24:13 PM
That's really not even the worst of it.

Here's one person's view of why atheists are wrong when it comes to the afterlife:
"So I can't really understand how Atheist can say there is god or heaven when 1)No dead Atheist has ever come and been like 'Well there no heaven guys, I been down here for hours and I'm just rotting', It's kinda silly in alot of ways."

So I can't really understand how Christians can say there is no Nirvana or enlightenment when 1) No dead Christian has ever come back and been like "Sorry, but there's no Nirvana guys, I been here hours and I'm just rotting." It's kinda silly in alot of way.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 19, 2011, 12:55:33 AM
http://mises.org/daily/5294
I really lost a lot of respect for Jeffrey Tucker with this one.  Honestly, the this left such a bad taste in my mouth, I couldn't even get through it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 19, 2011, 03:45:20 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 19, 2011, 12:55:33 AM
http://mises.org/daily/5294
I really lost a lot of respect for Jeffrey Tucker with this one.  Honestly, the this left such a bad taste in my mouth, I couldn't even get through it.

Because he said stupid things, or because he talks about Bieber in a positive way (I guess that would be the stupid part)?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 19, 2011, 08:46:17 AM
Quote from: VectorM on May 19, 2011, 03:45:20 AMBecause he said stupid things, or because he talks about Bieber in a positive way (I guess that would be the stupid part)?

That, and for using a documentary ("Never Say Never") as an authoritative source.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 19, 2011, 09:37:44 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 19, 2011, 08:46:17 AM
That, and for using a documentary ("Never Say Never") as an authoritative source.

So you lost a lot of respect for him, because he talks about Bieber in a positive way?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 19, 2011, 09:41:32 AM
Quote from: VectorM on May 19, 2011, 09:37:44 AMSo you lost a lot of respect for him, because he talks about Bieber in a positive way?
Well, when you compare *him* to the Beatles and Elvis, I facepalm.  Though using a documentary as an authoritative source was the straw that broke my back and got me to stop reading.

I was annoyed Jeffrey brought him up at all, though.

I apologize if I'm coming off as being a bit petty, but I'm just really sick of people mentioning *him* at all.  I can't tell you how many top rated youtube comments I've seen bashing *him*.  I'm just sick of hearing about him. >_<
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 19, 2011, 10:01:39 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 19, 2011, 09:41:32 AM
Well, when you compare *him* to the Beatles and Elvis, I facepalm.  Though using a documentary as an authoritative source was the straw that broke my back and got me to stop reading.

I was annoyed Jeffrey brought him up at all, though.

I apologize if I'm coming off as being a bit petty, but I'm just really sick of people mentioning *him* at all.  I can't tell you how many top rated youtube comments I've seen bashing *him*.  I'm just sick of hearing about him. >_<

THIS!

I wouldn't have ever known who he was had people not constantly bashed the kid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 19, 2011, 10:13:01 AM
Quote from: D.Turcotte on May 19, 2011, 10:01:39 AM
THIS!

I wouldn't have ever known who he was had people not constantly bashed the kid.
Thanks! I'm glad I'm not the only person who feels that way. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 19, 2011, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 19, 2011, 09:41:32 AM
Well, when you compare *him* to the Beatles and Elvis, I facepalm.

Well, this is just my opinion, not based on anything substantial, but i think that if the Internet existed back in those days, Elvis would be treated the same way Bieber is treated today - the mainstream loves him, the Internetz hate him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on May 20, 2011, 07:53:03 AM
Quote from: VectorM on May 18, 2011, 04:14:38 AM
No, you are just the current Gumba Masta.

I'm also the past and the future one...
OMFG!
I just realised, I'm motherfucking eternal!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 20, 2011, 08:32:07 AM
How about, anything said by mba2ceo, anywhere on my channel?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2011, 11:05:43 AM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on May 20, 2011, 07:53:03 AM
I'm also the past and the future one...
OMFG!
I just realised, I'm motherfucking eternal!

So you're god?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 20, 2011, 11:48:41 AM
If he's God, I want my tithes back...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on May 20, 2011, 02:37:23 PM
I'm not THAT incompetent.
Although I do a great deal in suffering once in a while.
One of my pictures even got linked on a tvtropes page for tear jerkers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 20, 2011, 04:18:36 PM
Quote from: D.Turcotte on May 19, 2011, 10:01:39 AM
THIS!

I wouldn't have ever known who he was had people not constantly bashed the kid.

I think that chick singing 'Friday' was worse, personally...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2011, 05:11:51 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on May 20, 2011, 04:18:36 PMI think that chick singing 'Friday' was worse, personally...
Rebecca Black, IIRC.  I can't tell you how many parodies of that song I've seen.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 22, 2011, 10:17:31 PM
[yt]REtwYhqhr_o[/yt]

Daww, he cute!  He's trying to think.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 22, 2011, 11:00:22 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 20, 2011, 11:05:43 AM
So you're god?

He's like god, but without all of that annoying judgment.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 24, 2011, 11:25:33 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 22, 2011, 10:17:31 PM
[yt]REtwYhqhr_o[/yt]

Daww, he cute!  He's trying to think.

Oh check this out.

I posted to his vid saying "Then I gather you're of the school that the more the state regulates the economy, the better it gets?

Tell me, how's that working out for you so far?"

He replies "Unlike you, I don't live in a black and white world."

I try to post again saying "That's not an answer."

"Comment pending approval"

...

Color. Me. Surprised.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 24, 2011, 11:39:37 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on May 24, 2011, 11:25:33 AM
Oh check this out.

I posted to his vid saying "Then I gather you're of the school that the more the state regulates the economy, the better it gets?

Tell me, how's that working out for you so far?"

He replies "Unlike you, I don't live in a black and white world."

I try to post again saying "That's not an answer."

"Comment pending approval"

...

Color. Me. Surprised.
What?  Dsglop being a dick?  No...that NEVER happens! *awesomeface*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 02, 2011, 11:27:06 AM
Every comment from an anti-libertarian in this thread: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/06/oh_so_thats_what_the_libertari.php

It's once again amazing how so many skeptics turn it all off in the political arena and behave EXACTLY like creationists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 02, 2011, 07:25:10 PM
QuotePhil says:
do you believe the market includes medical care & education?
D says:
Yes
I do
Phil says:
:(
D says:
Why is the government the only one who can handle health care and education?
The government is incompetent
Phil says:
our current one is
D says:
You know why 9/11 wasn't an inside job? Because the government is too incompetent to do something like 9/11
that's why
Watergate is the answer to all of this
If they couldn't cover something so simple as that up, they can't do anything right
Phil says:
if we're talking ideal world here, I imagine a small government could handle a simple healthcare system
D says:
Problem is, before government involvement, health care was much better
Phil says:
Umm... in a way, yes
D says:
as far as insurance goes, almost everyone was covered, and those who weren't were capable to go to free clinics and charity clinics
I'm talking the financial side of it
Phil says:
the problem with that is the time period during which most medical advances were made
D says:
not the actual medicine itself
The problem was, lobbyists complained that health care was too cheap, and so they demanded government make the AMA (American Medical Association) so that they could distribute licenses and force doctors to have higher wages
Once that happened, the free and charity clinics were disbanded because they weren't capable of getting the licenses
Phil says:
but... doctors don't get paid particularly well for the high stress & education required
D says:
Problem is you have a monopoly on the system
Are the AMA the only group of people in the world who are capable of determining who is worthy of practicing medicine?
Phil says:
problem is listening to stupid lobbyists
D says:
Like I said, government gave them the power
Government works like this
they break your leg
hand you a crutch
then claim that without them, you wouldn't be able to survive
They fuck shit up, make regulations that do very little, then claim that the evil free market is responsible for the problems
Phil says:
So religious indoctrination?
D says:
Essentially
It's funny
I know a lot of atheists who complain about religious dogma, but they turn that shit off once they get in the political debate
they become as dogmatic as the creationists they despise
If you believe that government is the only group of people who are qualified to handle matters, then that is practically superstitious in it's own right
Phil says:
I loved on PZ's blog this morning, there was an Ayn Rand thread. And oh did the battle commence
D says:
How about the FDA?
The FDA is government run
people complain that if the FDA were private, they'd be corrupt and only listen to pharmaceutical companies
they do that now
in a 2001 report from Washington Post, the FDA admitted that they do their best to not upset their corporate sponsors
Phil says:
Umm... the current system is fucked
but I don't think all future systems involved in regulating medicare have to be complete fubar
I think there is a sane way to do it
D says:
However, in the private sector, we have a company called United Laboratories
They certify all electronic appliances
Phil says:
without leaving it in the 'free' market
D says:
or most of them
UL can be sued
the FDA can't
UL is one of the least corrupt companies ever and they've been around for a century
UL knows that if they fuck up, their competition will take over
Make them compete. Basic principal of competition creates better quality with lower prices.
I actually made a large post about this in a thread about Britain's NHS cutting funding and thus denying people surgeries due to lack of funding
If we leave it in a free market, there is far less force and taxpayers save a lot of money
In the United States, it is illegal for people for one to buy insurance from another state
for example, I live in Connecticut
if I want insurance from Delaware
it is illegal for me to buy it
Phil says:
... I don't know if you're following my point
D says:
I know your point
but my point is, the free market method is a much easier and efficient way to work things
it involves no force and saves money for taxpayers
Can you give me a legitimate and rational reason why we should not go with this?
Phil says:
in most cases, I'd say yes. But in the case of education & medicare exclusively, I say no. And here's why
What is the primary purpose of medicare when run by the government compared to the primary purpose of medicare run by a private company?
D says:
Do you believe that health insurance is a right?
Do you believe that government is the only group of people who can give proper health care?
Also, you do realize that this is an economic issue, and not an actual medical issue right?
It needs to be looked at from a purely economic standpoint
No one actually complains about the treatment itself, just how to pay for it
Phil says:
and that is entirely my point
D says:
And again, like I stated before. Before government got involved, there were free and charity clinics.
When you give government the power to decide who can and can't practice medicine and what your insurance will cover, it raises the prices through taxes
Phil says:
the government isn't running medicare for profit. No one wins by charging too much
D says:
That's a crock of shit
you pay for it through taxes
Look at it this way
with each thing that is covered in your care, you have to pay for them through your taxes
Why should I have to pay for materinty if I'm a single male
Why should I have to pay for alcoholics rehabilitation if I'm a non drinker
Phil says:
because women are paying for your prostate exam
D says:
That's force, and I'm against that
My argument is against the idea of force and implements more choice
and costs far less
Why should I have to pay for someone else? Why should someone else be forced to pay for me?
Phil says:
I don't trust the invisible hand of the free market not to crush the weak masses in the name of personal greed
D says:
(facepalm_
)*
Okay, that sounds like government cultist
Phil says:
I don't
I like the idea, but reality demonstrates clearly that morality has nothing to do with the way the world is run
why then should we expect basic moral tenets to exist in our economic system?

My buddy Phil here is generally a smart guy, but like most atheists, the second he gets in the political debate, he shuts it all off.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 02, 2011, 07:57:03 PM
QuoteI like the idea, but reality demonstrates clearly that morality has nothing to do with the way the world is run
why then should we expect basic moral tenets to exist in our economic system?

Why should you expect it from government? If morality has nothing to do with the way the world is run, then why the HELL would you set up a system where people have a monopoly on force against others?

I forget who said this, but if people are moral, you don't need a government; if people are immoral, you don't dare have one!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 02, 2011, 08:08:23 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 02, 2011, 07:57:03 PM
Why should you expect it from government? If morality has nothing to do with the way the world is run, then why the HELL would you set up a system where people have a monopoly on force against others?

I forget who said this, but if people are moral, you don't need a government; if people are immoral, you don't dare have one!

I know what you mean bro. It's been stated time and time again that the minute these "anti-dogmatists" get into the political debate they shut that all off.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 03, 2011, 10:46:19 AM
This entire video.

[yt]7QDv4sYwjO0[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2011, 12:44:51 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 02, 2011, 07:57:03 PM
Why should you expect it from government? If morality has nothing to do with the way the world is run, then why the HELL would you set up a system where people have a monopoly on force against others?

I forget who said this, but if people are moral, you don't need a government; if people are immoral, you don't dare have one!

I was the one who first posted that quote here.  I saw it in the signature of some dude at the Mises Institute forum.  I don't know where he got it though.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2011, 12:46:27 AM
Quote from: D.Turcotte on June 03, 2011, 10:46:19 AM
This entire video.

[yt]7QDv4sYwjO0[/yt]

Not a fail quote, would be Ladyattis' video response to that trainwreck of a video:  [yt]fktwWrLr4pY[/yt]
Also not a fail:  [yt]rAIiKw84zwg[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2011, 12:49:15 AM
Quote from: D.Turcotte on June 02, 2011, 07:25:10 PM
Phil says:
I don't trust the invisible hand of the free market not to crush the weak masses in the name of personal greed
D says:
(facepalm_
)*
Okay, that sounds like government cultist
Phil says:
I don't
I like the idea, but reality demonstrates clearly that morality has nothing to do with the way the world is run
why then should we expect basic moral tenets to exist in our economic system?

ALL HAIL THE CULT OF THE OMNIPOTENT STATE
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2011, 01:04:54 AM
Quote from: D.Turcotte on June 02, 2011, 07:25:10 PM
Phil says:
but... doctors don't get paid particularly well for the high stress & education required

OK, this guy is a fucking moron.  The ridiculous education requirements are a PART of the barriers to entry of people in the medical profession, not a reason to pay them even more.  Same goes for a good amount of the stress.  If there was a higher supply of doctors, they wouldn't have to work > 12 hours a day with people waiting over an hour and rescheduling at a better time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 04, 2011, 07:27:33 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 04, 2011, 12:46:27 AM
Not a fail quote, would be Ladyattis' video response to that trainwreck of a video:

Why won't those videos show up in my ladyattis subscription or in her channel?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2011, 01:54:08 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 04, 2011, 07:27:33 AMWhy won't those videos show up in my ladyattis subscription or in her channel?
When did you first sub to her?  It says those videos were made in May 7, 2009 and May 27, 2009.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 04, 2011, 03:44:15 PM
Yeah, I was subbed back then. Oh, well.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 11, 2011, 12:02:09 PM
I was watching CGRUndertow review Super Mario Land. In the review, the guy was tearing the game apart, going as far as to claim it was the worst Mario game ever. A lot of people commented showing their disapproval of the person's position on the game. Not too long after, some ditz throws this pile of vomit in the comments section.

QuoteThese comments are an example of how we've lost our freedom to say what we want.

This is a review, not a place where you kiss everyones ass and agree with them. There will always be atleast one peson who disagrees.

I believe that Super Mario Land is a great game, and I don't want to shout at a guy for having a different opinion. That's just shallow.

I'm liking this as encouragement for saying something like this. You've got to have balls to say that.

This guy doesn't understand that freedom isn't a one way street apparently.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 18, 2011, 07:15:09 AM
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2088nyr.jpg)

Public schooling at its finest!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 21, 2011, 01:09:17 PM
From the comments of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zppY0EzNy6I) (fails in red, wins in blue, as usual):

Me:  "Libertarian Socialist/Anarcho-Socialist: The biggest contradiction in all of political science."

SecularNumanist:  "not by etymology"

Me:  "'Libertarian: 1789, "one who holds the doctrine of free will" (opposed to necessitarian), from liberty (q.v.) on model of unitarian, etc. Political sense of "person advocating liberty in thought and conduct" is from 1878. U.S. Libertarian Party founded in Colorado, 1971.' (Online Etymology Dictionary)
"anarchy: 1530s, from Fr. anarchie or directly from M.L. anarchia, from Gk. anarkhia "lack of a leader, the state of people without a government" (in Athens, used of the Year of Thirty Tyrants, 404 B.C., when there was no archon), noun of state from anarkhos "rulerless," from an- "without" (see an- (1)) + arkhos "leader" (see archon)." (Online Etymology Dictionary)

Even if that wasn't the case, your post would still be a bogus appeal to etymology."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 21, 2011, 09:09:34 PM
"The only school of economics that rails about "Keynsian" economics is Austrian. And its not a school, its a propaganda machine. If you honestly believe that accredited colleges only teach Keynsian economics your head is so far up your ass no light can reach you. There's a rich history in economics and dozens of schools of thought that are taught. Out of all these schools, guess what the ONE train of thought is that can't get a paper past peer review. Yup: Austrian."

Comment from this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j3_Ki6R3z0&lc=In_B2P1J37rBI5OMlvzPGXnLEit-DXHRHzFdCEhiYjQ&feature=inbox

I notice he never even addresses my point about the two schools' respective track records.  Odd that...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 26, 2011, 12:48:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15zKIlqkkhc

*groan*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 29, 2011, 07:50:50 AM
Another from The Punk Patriot

"The state's purpose is to defend the rights of individual citizens against powerful private interests. The state is supposed to serve as a citizen's union. The constitution ties the governments hands from infringing on individual liberty (or is supposed to), and the government also lifts up the poor and powerless from serfdom by protecting them from the sociopathic wealthy and powerful who seek to become even more wealthy, and even more powerful."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 29, 2011, 09:27:27 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 26, 2011, 12:48:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15zKIlqkkhc

*groan*

Did he just invalidate the entire study of Fuzzy Logic?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 01, 2011, 10:37:56 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 29, 2011, 09:27:27 AMDid he just invalidate the entire study of Fuzzy Logic?

No, but goddamn, that won't stop him from trying!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 01, 2011, 10:43:40 AM
From the comments of this video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQfpvQKUodY
As usual, fails in red, wins in blue.

FletchforFreedom:  "@BeauJames59 As, of course, the market (capitalism) you denigrate is entirely responsible for 300 years of improved living standards, better health and longer life spans while the innocent children suffering in Iraq are not doing so as the result of capitalism and as NO ONE is known to be dying from radiation poisoning in Japan (albeit the 50 volunteers fighting to fix it may) due to an ACCIDENT (not capitalism), all you've demonstrated is the bankruptcy of your position..."

Me:  "@FletchforFreedom
Not to mention all the wars he uses to diatribe capitalism are fought by government, which makes them socialist by definition.
So basically his reasoning is. War is evil, therefore we need to give more power to the institution that makes war possible in the first place.
Statist Logic: It's the equivalent of dividing by zero."

xexixk:  "@vspqbd Is it a "socialist" war if it is a war as the result of government collusion with big business in order to gain access to or control of some natural recource which those businesses will then profit from? Read War is a Racket by Gen. Smedley Butler"
(When did I say war WASN'T a racket?  And if he thinks socialism is mutually exclusive from rackets, he's beyond help.)

Me:  "Yes."

xexixk:  "@vspqbd LOL So a war on behalf of a corporation to help them get access to or control of resources is a socialist war? That makes no sense. Socialism doesn't = collusiton of business and government. Corporatism yes. Socialism no."
(So how are corporatism and socialism mutually exclusive?  He never explains that bit.  Does he not know the definition of socialism?  Government ownership of capital.  Government owned the capital where they go to war, ergo war is a subset of socialism.  I mean, duh.  His whole post just reeks of what we now call the piety fallacy:  INTENTIONS ARE IRRELEVANT.  They really need to understand that.
Last I checked, the corporatism is just socialism for the big players.  Or, more specifically, corporatism is a subtle form of fascism.  And fascism is indistinguishable economically from socialism.  Simple as that.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 01, 2011, 08:51:26 PM
Quote from: Kradiancy@DJYC21215 Fucking idiot socialism supports the idea of freedom of information. Stupid brainwashed yanks.

>socialism
>supporting freedom and not government bullshit


BWAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 02, 2011, 09:00:06 AM
Quote
Argument for the Existence of a Necessary Being (God)

1) Anything that exists is either
a) contingent = it is possible for it to not exist (might not have existence)
or b) not contingent = it is not possible for it not to exist (must exist)

2) If something is contingent there must be some explanation for why it does in fact exist

3) The explanation for the existence of a contingent thing must involve something other than itself and its parts (cause and effect)

4) The totality of all contingent things "T" is contingent.

5) There must be an explanation for "T"

6)The explanation for the existence of "T" must be outside of "T" and its parts.

7)The explanation for the existence of "T" must be something that is not contingent and must exist.

8) There is a necessary being = God.

Religious nonsense is a funny thing sometimes. Most times though, it's just a headache.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 02, 2011, 04:07:30 PM
More comments in regard to a video spreading around about that streaming bill:

Quotethis has fuck all to do with communists, this is entirely the doing of capitalism

Quotecorporatjsm has only come about and only has power due to capitalism

Quotebecause the goverment is capitalist it is in their interests to support corporations

It gets worse with each reply.....

Quotethere are lots of different types of capitalsim besides free market capitalism, state capitalism, mercantalism etc. It its obviously in the interest of the goverment to support corporations in certain areas because they help to improve the economy

Now that's just full of shit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 03, 2011, 09:14:06 AM
"People seem to not realize that the founding fathers actually wanted central government." - ABC's This Week.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 03, 2011, 09:31:01 AM
Quote from: D on July 03, 2011, 09:14:06 AM
"People seem to not realize that the founding fathers actually wanted central government." - ABC's This Week.

Man...got a video source for that one?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 03, 2011, 09:33:47 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 03, 2011, 09:31:01 AM
Man...got a video source for that one?

It was just on television 20 minutes ago.

You'd have to wait until the segment appears on youtube.

Oh, and of course they had the token black guy on the panel who basically tried to bury the Constitution because the founders had slaves.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 03, 2011, 09:40:33 AM
Ah yes, the old, "You want to go back to the Constitution--that means you want slavery!" Uh, 13th Amendment, guys? The Constitution BANS slavery.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 03, 2011, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 03, 2011, 09:40:33 AM
Ah yes, the old, "You want to go back to the Constitution--that means you want slavery!" Uh, 13th Amendment, guys? The Constitution BANS slavery.

Not to mention, when they bury guys like Washington and Jefferson, they fail to realize that the only reason they kept their slaves in the first place was because of Virginia law stating that slaves that are set free are open to being rounded up again later on, and so they kept their slaves to protect them from people who would treat them far worse.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 03, 2011, 09:58:52 AM
Quote from: D on July 03, 2011, 09:43:40 AM
Not to mention, when they bury guys like Washington and Jefferson, they fail to realize that the only reason they kept their slaves in the first place was because of Virginia law stating that slaves that are set free are open to being rounded up again later on, and so they kept their slaves to protect them from people who would treat them far worse.

Correct, and moving into another state wouldn't have helped them, because even so-called "free states" had a policy of removing freed slaves back to the states where they came from. Don't want THEM taking OUR jobs, you know...

Washington freed his slaves the only way he legally could: in his will. By the time Jefferson had died, they had closed that loophole.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 03, 2011, 10:38:21 AM
Quote from: D on July 03, 2011, 09:43:40 AM
Not to mention, when they bury guys like Washington and Jefferson, they fail to realize that the only reason they kept their slaves in the first place was because of Virginia law stating that slaves that are set free are open to being rounded up again later on, and so they kept their slaves to protect them from people who would treat them far worse.
For pointing this out, you get an anti-bogon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 04, 2011, 08:17:52 AM
Okay, so unfortunately they didn't put the piece before the roundtable discussion on youtube, but the discussion itself is up.

[yt]sFFLKci534s[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 04, 2011, 12:08:35 PM
Stefan has said that Jefferson raped his slaves.  Anyone wanna buzz in on that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 04, 2011, 01:03:41 PM
There's no evidence of that. The only evidence there is for a sexual relationship is with Sally Hemmings (and even that's sketchy; there's evidence it may have been an uncle instead), and there's no evidence that was anything other than consensual.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 04, 2011, 03:55:31 PM
Quote from: Random Jackass on a chanboardI hate this idea that the only reason why anyone may ever oppose gay marriage is LOL GOD SAID NOT TO. I'm personally an atheist and don't support it either because I don't support gay adoption. I'm adopted and had several foster siblings growing up and know for a fact that there are more hetero couples looking to adopt, that could give a kid the mother and father they deserve, than there are kids actually needing adopted. I'd rather see kids and poor barren mothers get a family than see some gays get a human for a pet.

Talk about despicable.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 04, 2011, 10:24:29 PM
[yt]Arn8Fp1jyok[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 04, 2011, 10:31:01 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 04, 2011, 10:24:29 PM
[yt]Arn8Fp1jyok[/yt]

That was painful to watch....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 04, 2011, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: D on July 04, 2011, 10:31:01 PMThat was painful to watch....
Indeed.  One of the many reasons it's in fail quotes:  The cult of democracy strikes yet again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on July 05, 2011, 04:11:21 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 04, 2011, 10:24:29 PM
[yt]Arn8Fp1jyok[/yt]

Communism is...

SHARING!

TEAM WORK!

EQUALITY!

FREEDOM!

WHAT WE NEED!

I can do this too, dickhead.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 05, 2011, 07:19:45 AM
Hilarious that they misspelled "expression"...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 05, 2011, 09:31:12 AM
Reading the comments on that video was pretty painful too. One guy just kept quoting actors and saying "you're dead to me" when people disagreed with him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 05, 2011, 02:00:06 PM
""[W]e will actually vote in favor of raising the debt ceiling next week if we can, but it will be contingent on passing a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution ... I will only do it if we have significant budgetary reform, and to me that means you have to balance your budget every year." - Senator Rand Paul via The Daily Caller

Raising the debt ceiling will just allow government to continue massive spending you dunce!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 05, 2011, 04:06:29 PM
Yeah, so we have to have MORE debt to have a balanced budget? How does THAT work?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 05, 2011, 04:36:32 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 05, 2011, 04:06:29 PM
Yeah, so we have to have MORE debt to have a balanced budget? How does THAT work?

The fucked up part is that the Campaign of Liberty posted this on facebook and didn't really object to it. I think they only read the second half of the statement.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 05, 2011, 04:45:25 PM
Quote from: D on July 05, 2011, 04:36:32 PM
The fucked up part is that the Campaign of Liberty posted this on facebook and didn't really object to it. I think they only read the second half of the statement.

Yeah, they're good at ignoring the inconvenient parts.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 05, 2011, 04:50:06 PM
Quote from: Tim WiseFor all y'all rich folks, enjoy that champagne, or whatever fancy ass Scotch you drink.

And for y'all a bit lower on the economic scale, enjoy your Pabst Blue Ribbon, or whatever shitty ass beer you favor.

Whatever the case, and whatever your economic station, know this . . .

You need to drink up.

And quickly.

And heavily.

Because your time is limited.

Real damned limited.

So party while you can, but mind the increasingly loud clock ticking away in the corners of your consciousness.

The clock that reminds you how little time you and yours have left.

Not much more now.

Tick, tock.

Tick, tock.

Tick.

Tock.

I know, you think you've taken "your country back" with this election—and of course you have always thought it was yours for the taking, cuz that's what we white folks are bred to believe, that it's ours, and how dare anyone else say otherwise—but you are wrong.

You have won a small battle in a larger war the meaning of which you do not remotely understand.

'Cuz there is nothing even slightly original about you.

There have always been those who wanted to take the country back.

There were those who, in past years, wanted to take the country back to a time of enslavement and indentured servitude.

But they lost.

There were those who wanted to take us back to a time when children could be made to work in mines and factories, when workers had no legal rights to speak of, when the skies in every major city were heavy with industrial soot that would gather on sidewalks and windowsills like volcanic ash.

But they lost.

There were those who wanted to take us back to a time when women could not vote, or attend any but a few colleges, or get loans in their own names, or start their own businesses.

But they lost.

There were those who wanted to take us back to a time when blacks "had no rights that the white man was bound to respect,"—this being the official opinion of the Supreme Court before those awful days of judicial activism, now decried by the likes of you—and when people of color could legally be kept from voting solely because of race, or holding certain jobs, or living in certain neighborhoods, or run out of other towns altogether when the sun would go down, or be strung up from trees.

But they lost.

And you will lose.

So make a note of it.

Tweet it to yourself.

Put it on your Facebook wall and leave it there so you'll remember that I told you so.

It is coming, and soon.

This isn't hubris. It isn't ideology. It is not wishful thinking.

It is math.

Not even advanced math. Just simple, basic, like 3rd grade math.

The kind of math that proves how your kind—mostly older white folks beholden to an absurd, inaccurate, nostalgic fantasy of what America used to be like—are dying.

You're like the bad guy in every horror movie ever made, who gets shot five times, or stabbed ten, or blown up twice, and who will eventually pass—even if it takes four sequels to make it happen—but who in the meantime keeps coming back around, grabbing at our ankles as we walk by, we having been mistakenly convinced that you were finally dead this time.

Fair enough, and have at it. But remember how this movie ends.

Our ankles survive.

You do not.

Michael Meyers, Freddie Kreuger, Jason, and that asshole husband in that movie with Julia Roberts who tracks her down after she runs away and changes her identity—they are all done. Even that crazy fucker in Saw is about to be finished off for good. Granted, he's gonna be popping out in some 3-D shit to scare the kiddies, so he isn't going quietly. But he's going, as all bad guys eventually do.

And in the pantheon of American history, old white people have pretty much always been the bad guys, the keepers of the hegemonic and reactionary flame, the folks unwilling to share the category of American with others on equal terms.

Fine, keep it up. It doesn't matter.

Because you're on the endangered list.

And unlike, say, the bald eagle or some exotic species of muskrat, you are not worth saving.

In forty years or so, maybe fewer, there won't be any more white people around who actually remember that Leave it to Beaver, Father Knows Best, Opie-Taylor-Down-at-the-Fishing Hole cornpone bullshit that you hold so near and dear to your heart.

There won't be any more white folks around who think the 1950s were the good old days, because there won't be any more white folks around who actually remember them, and so therefore, we'll be able to teach about them accurately and honestly, without hurting your precious feelings, or those of the so-called "greatest generation"—a bunch whose white members were by and large a gaggle of miscreants who helped save the world from fascism only to return home and oppose the ending of it here, by doing nothing to lift a finger on behalf of the civil rights struggle.

So to hell with you and all who revere you.

By then, half the country will be black or brown. And there is nothing you can do about it.

Nothing, Senõr Tancredo.

Nothing, Senõra Angle, or Senõra Brewer, or Senõr Beck.

Loy tiene muy mal, hijo de Puta.

And by then you will have gone all in as a white nationalist movement—hell you've all but done that now—thus guaranteeing that the folks of color, and even a decent size minority of us white folks will be able to crush you, election after election, from the Presidency on down to the 8th grade student council.

Like I said, this shit is math, baby. And numbers don't lie.

Bottom line, this too shall pass.

So enjoy your tax cuts a while longer.

Go buy whatever you people buy when your taxes get cut: a new car or two, a bigger house, an island. Whatever.

Go back to trading your derivatives, engaging in rampant financial speculation that produces nothing of value, that turns the whole world into your personal casino. Whatever.

Play your hand, and for the love of God play it big. Real big. As in, shoot for the moon big. As in, try to privatize Social Security, and health care, and everything else. Whatever.

At least that way everyone will be able to see what you're really about.

We've been trying to tell them, but nothing beats seeing it with your own eyes, so "Go big or go home," Bubba.

"Git 'er Done."

"Cowboy up," or whatever other stupid-ass catch phrase strikes your fancy.

Just promise you'll do more than talk this time.

Please, or as one of your celluloid heroes might put it, "make my day."

Do whatever you gotta do, but remember that those who are the victims of your greed and indifference take the long view.

They know, but you do not, that justice is not for the sprinters, but rather for the long distance runners who will be hitting their second wind, right about the time that you collapse from exhaustion.

They are like the tortoise to your hare.

They are like the San Francisco Giants, to your New York Yankees: a bunch that loses year after year after year, until they finally win.

You have had this confidence before, remember?

You thought you had secured your position permanently after the overthrow of reconstruction in the wake of the civil war, after the elimination of the New Deal, after the Reagan revolution, after the Republican electoral victory of 1994. And yet, they who refuse to die are still here.

Because those who have lived on the margins, who have been abused, maligned, targeted by austerity measures and budget cuts, subjected to racism, classism, sexism, straight supremacy and every other form of oppression always know more about their abusers than the abusers know about their victims.

They have to study you, to pay careful attention, to adjust their body armor accordingly, and to memorize your sleep patterns.

You, on the other hand, need know nothing whatsoever about them. And this, will surely prove fatal to you in the end. For it means you will not know their resolve. Will not fear it, as you should.

It means you will take their greatest strength—perseverance—and make of it a weakness, called losing.

But what you forget, or more to the point never knew, is that those who lose know how to lose, which is to say they know how to lose with dignity.

And those who suffer know how to suffer, which is to say they know how to survive: a skill that is in short supply amid the likes of you.

You, who could not survive the thought of minimal health care reform, or financial regulation, or a marginal tax rate equal to that which you paid just 10 years earlier, perhaps are under the illusion that everyone is as weak as you, as soft as you, as akin to petulant children as you are, as unable to cope with the smallest setback, the slightest challenge to the way you think your country should look and feel, and operate.

But, surprise . . . they are not.

And they know how to regroup, and plot, and plan, and they are planning even now—we are—your destruction.

And I do not mean by that your physical destruction. We don't play those games. We're not into the whole "Second Amendment remedies, militia, armed resistance" bullshit that your side fetishizes, cuz, see, we don't have to be. We don't need guns.

We just have to be patient.

And wait for your hearts to stop beating.

And stop they will.

And for some of you, real damned soon, truth be told.

Do you hear it?

The sound of your empire dying? Your nation, as you knew it, ending, permanently?

Because I do, and the sound of its demise is beautiful.

So know this.

If you thought this election was payback for 2008, remember . . .

Payback, thy name is . . .

Temporary.

Fringeelements covered this on youtube, but I figure I may as well just copy/paste the thing itself. Yeah, it is full of stupid "I regret being white" bullshit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 05, 2011, 04:59:06 PM
I only read the first few lines of that.  It sounded like more anti-rich nonsense too.
Really, what is it with people hating on greed?  I know it's not the best of things, but even at its worst there *are* worse things out there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 05, 2011, 05:40:43 PM
And at its best it's responsible for everything from feeding the poor to heart transplants.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 06, 2011, 12:05:59 AM
I wasn't sure where else to put this:  http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=79046

Most if not all of Shane's posts (his were the only ones I bothered to read, and I only got to about page 3 or 4.  It just got tired listening to you have to repeat yourself to the economic equivalent of creationists and moon hoaxers.) are favs.

The statists he keeps having to debunk (especially the one(s) who keep reasserting the same point--like Standard Oil being a monopoly) are the major fail quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 06, 2011, 12:46:35 AM
Figured this deserved a posting at this point.

Anything by user ninjacatmagic (http://www.youtube.com/user/ninjacatmagic) on the following youtube videos.

[yt]nL5GotAVN58[/yt]

Though, particularly this one.

[yt]nSXY-RfBS8o[/yt]

His most recent one was something of a side-splitter. I'll post my comment, his comment responding to it, and my reply. (My comments in blue, his in red.)

"The conversation is evolution"

Wrong. The conversation between you and me, through this entire thread, has been your reasoning and logic when approaching the subject of evolution. The only way you can claim that I have committed a fallacy would be if you were to claim that criticizing someone's logic, their reasoning from point A to point B to conclusion C, is somehow fallacious. Is this what you're claiming?

It's "you and I".....Wtf?....Mr. Eye Trysohard to sound smart is still making a fool out of himself.....You're silly..lol...I normally don't proofread people's work, but such a .rudimentary error for YOU to make is just way too much fun to pass up.....ha/ha....  watch?v=GjFOV-b0GtI

goo dot gl slash 7fzPo

No, I was using correct grammar. Type the preceding URL into your browser if you want a source.

Here's a tip: Open mouth, insert foot.

Link to the site I referenced. : Linky (http://goo.gl/7fzPo)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 06, 2011, 07:53:07 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 06, 2011, 12:05:59 AMThe statists he keeps having to debunk (especially the one(s) who keep reasserting the same point--like Standard Oil being a monopoly) are the major fail quotes.

Ah yes, I remember that one.

Me: (lots of reasons Standard Oil couldn't gain monopoly power)

Them: Stop cherry-picking Standard Oil!

Me: Okay, give me a counter-example.

Them: Standard Oil!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 06, 2011, 07:56:54 AM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on July 06, 2011, 12:46:35 AM
It's "you and I".....Wtf?....Mr. Eye Trysohard to sound smart is still making a fool out of himself.....You're silly..lol...I normally don't proofread people's work, but such a .rudimentary error for YOU to make is just way too much fun to pass up.....ha/ha....  watch?v=GjFOV-b0GtI

Yeah, that's a peeve of mine...people say "[blank] and I" when they're in the objective instead of the nominative.

"Janet and I are going to the movies."

"Bob is going to the movies with Janet and me."

It's not like it's hard...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 06, 2011, 08:25:28 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 06, 2011, 07:56:54 AM
Yeah, that's a peeve of mine...people say "[blank] and I" when they're in the objective instead of the nominative.

"Janet and I are going to the movies."

"Bob is going to the movies with Janet and me."

It's not like it's hard...

Agreed. In addition, just how desperate do you have to be to hammer on imaginary grammar mistakes?

Though, I think the funniest one is how he insists that, because the topic is evolution, I'm not allowed to criticize his logic or reasoning. He even claimed it was a logical fallacy at one point, of all things.

I really want to know where he got his college education, if there's any truth to his claims. I'm just dumbfounded that anyone could have survived even a community college while being that dense.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 06, 2011, 10:18:50 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 06, 2011, 07:53:07 AM
Ah yes, I remember that one.

Me: (lots of reasons Standard Oil couldn't gain monopoly power)

Them: Stop cherry-picking Standard Oil!

Me: Okay, give me a counter-example.

Them: Standard Oil!

I couldn't even be bothered to read all of that thread. It made my head hurt with all of the lunacy.

>WE NEED GOVERNMENT!
>Government fucked us over several times, here are examples
>WE NEED GOVERNMENT!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 07, 2011, 01:14:29 PM
[yt]CaQV4fYzB3U[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 07, 2011, 02:08:56 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-pro-marijuana-arguments-that-arent-helping/
I haven't yet read them yet, but after looking at each item in the list, I'd say this is probably leaning towards fail quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 07, 2011, 02:31:18 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 07, 2011, 02:08:56 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-pro-marijuana-arguments-that-arent-helping/
I haven't yet read them yet, but after looking at each item in the list, I'd say this is probably leaning towards fail quotes.

Not as fail as it could have been, but still pretty fail. Some good points, though.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 07, 2011, 04:08:41 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 07, 2011, 02:31:18 PMNot as fail as it could have been, but still pretty fail. Some good points, though.

And to think, John Cheese was on such a roll too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 07, 2011, 04:10:54 PM
Everything said by MsZeitgeist85, FangoFan68 & his brother whedonfreak976 in the comment section of this video:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 09, 2011, 05:54:10 PM
Kind of on the obvious side, but yeah, may as well put it here:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 11, 2011, 10:27:57 AM
"a constitution written by slave owners for slave owners. We need many more amendments." - politicalarticles

This is the guy who uploaded the Rachel Maddow (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=yepI1Jz3OAE) video in which she makes an even bigger ass out of herself in regards to nullification.

In fact, all of the posts by that guy are full of shit.

"Bush committed war crimes -- killing upto a million Iraqis and thousands of American soldiers, and I didn't see a single black person revolting in the streets and trying to overthrow his government. Now, we see white people running around menacingly with civil war pistols tucked next to their balls -- while Obama is trying to clean up Bush's mess. It's all about that 'darkie' in OUR whitehouse -- isn't it?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 11, 2011, 10:41:35 AM
Quote from: D on July 11, 2011, 10:27:57 AM"a constitution written by slave owners for slave owners. We need many more amendments." - politicalarticles

Um, why wasn't the 13th Amendment enough to take care of that?

And why would ANYTHING need "many more amendments"? Couldn't you just compile everything you need into a single amendment?

If Maddow had posted that to this forum she would have been instantly banned.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 11, 2011, 11:01:45 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 11, 2011, 10:41:35 AM
Um, why wasn't the 13th Amendment enough to take care of that?

And why would ANYTHING need "many more amendments"? Couldn't you just compile everything you need into a single amendment?

If Maddow had posted that to this forum she would have been instantly banned.

Because it is easy for weak minded people to cling to something that happened and blatantly ignore the events that occurred after it which dealt with the problem.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 12, 2011, 01:23:45 PM
I normally like Jack Hunter, but sometimes he posts videos that are a tad on the questionable side.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on July 12, 2011, 02:28:28 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 15, 2011, 08:24:59 AM
"Pornography is the instruction. Rape is the practice, battered women are the practice, and battered children are the practice." --Gloria Steinem
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 15, 2011, 11:52:46 AM
Anything and everything by Michael Moore should be here in Fail Quotes, but this particular skit from Bowling for Columbine is pretty egregious.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2011, 02:21:02 PM
Quote from: D on July 15, 2011, 11:52:46 AM
Anything and everything by Michael Moore should be here in Fail Quotes, but this particular skit from Bowling for Columbine is pretty egregious.

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Ugh.  I remember that pile of crap of a video. >_<  I was going to post it myself, but I think I was afraid of getting banned and/or a warning or something.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 15, 2011, 02:24:00 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 15, 2011, 02:21:02 PM
Ugh.  I remember that pile of crap of a video. >_<  I was going to post it myself, but I think I was afraid of getting banned and/or a warning or something.

I think in this instance we're criticizing the clip for being outrageous and downright wrong so it gets the okay. We're not really using it as an argument for or against anything.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 15, 2011, 02:56:25 PM
Quote from: D on July 15, 2011, 11:52:46 AM
Anything and everything by Michael Moore should be here in Fail Quotes, but this particular skit from Bowling for Columbine is pretty egregious.

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Wow...just wow. I would go through and point out all of the historical innacuracies, except I don't see one single thing he got RIGHT!

And yes, if Moore himself came to this forum and posted that bigoted crap of lies, he would have been instantly banned.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 15, 2011, 03:20:25 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 15, 2011, 02:56:25 PM
Wow...just wow. I would go through and point out all of the historical innacuracies, except I don't see one single thing he got RIGHT!

And yes, if Moore himself came to this forum and posted that bigoted crap of lies, he would have been instantly banned.

Yeah, I first saw this garbage my junior year of high school in my Issues in Government class. We had to watch Bowling for Columbine while we were talking about gun control and what not. The entire movie is complete garbage. Moore goes on a tangent about 9/11 and the Iraq War while trying to talk about gun control. It was just a mess.

Oh, and I challenge you to go through the comments and not find something worthy of being in fail quotes.

Quote from: BaBYPuNCheR133"THIS is what should be in history books."

Also, I think you should do the error and lie correcting subtitles for Michael Moore documentaries like you did for Expelled. I think that would be glorious.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 15, 2011, 05:57:38 PM
Yeah, but that means I'd have to sit through that crap...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 15, 2011, 05:59:12 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 15, 2011, 05:57:38 PM
Yeah, but that means I'd have to sit through that crap...

I hate to pull an RPG trope here.....but thou must.

Seriously though, I don't blame you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2011, 06:21:09 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 15, 2011, 05:57:38 PMYeah, but that means I'd have to sit through that crap...

Hey, you lasted through Expelled.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 15, 2011, 06:39:45 PM
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Another one of those "if we don't raise the debt ceiling, it will be armageddon" types.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 15, 2011, 07:06:50 PM
QuoteAlso, I think you should do the error and lie correcting subtitles for Michael Moore documentaries like you did for Expelled. I think that would be glorious.

There was a good vid done by a student film maker called "Six Degrees from Truth" that did a pretty good job of debunking both Bowling For Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11

It was my first taste of skepticism and started me down the road to enlightenment.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 15, 2011, 07:26:02 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on July 15, 2011, 07:06:50 PM
There was a good vid done by a student film maker called "Six Degrees from Truth" that did a pretty good job of debunking both Bowling For Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11

It was my first taste of skepticism and started me down the road to enlightenment.

Don't forget "Michael Moore Hates America", with interviews with Penn Jillette.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 15, 2011, 07:46:48 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on July 15, 2011, 07:26:02 PM
Don't forget "Michael Moore Hates America", with interviews with Penn Jillette.

Great movie!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 16, 2011, 06:25:11 AM
I hate to wrest the theme away from Mike Moore... well actually I love to do that but

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I think the whole speech by Shelley Lubben does count as fail quote
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 16, 2011, 08:07:44 AM
"You can have your own opinion but you can't make up your own facts. If we don't raise the debt ceiling, we will go into a major fiscal hole almost overnight." - Idiot in a suit on Good Morning America
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 16, 2011, 08:51:38 AM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on July 16, 2011, 06:25:11 AM
I hate to wrest the theme away from Mike Moore... well actually I love to do that but

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I think the whole speech by Shelley Lubben does count as fail quote

Wow...that was like a complete train wreck of fail! "We kill more people than the music industry"? What kind of argument is that?

And what, 21-year-old ADULT WOMEN are too stupid to read contracts???
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2011, 09:33:50 AM
Quote from: D on July 16, 2011, 08:07:44 AM
"You can have your own opinion but you can't make up your own facts. If we don't raise the debt ceiling, we will go into a major fiscal hole almost overnight." - Idiot in a suit on Good Morning America

Translation: "AH! THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!" Right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 16, 2011, 09:34:31 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 16, 2011, 09:33:50 AM
Translation: "AH! THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!" Right?

Pretty much. That and, "IF YOU DISAGREE WITH GOVERNMENT PAID 'ECONOMISTS' YOU ARE WROOOOOOOONG!!!!!!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2011, 10:11:15 AM
Quote from: D on July 16, 2011, 09:34:31 AMPretty much. That and, "IF YOU DISAGREE WITH GOVERNMENT PAID 'ECONOMISTS' YOU ARE WROOOOOOOONG!!!!!!"

Government paid economist.  Sounds like "Church paid 'scientist'".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 16, 2011, 10:19:19 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 16, 2011, 10:11:15 AM
Government paid economist.  Sounds like "Church paid 'scientist'".

Exactly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 16, 2011, 01:23:45 PM
This article by USA today. (http://www.usatoday.com/money/smallbusiness/columnist/abrams/2011-07-08-debt-ceiling_n.htm)

QuoteThere's an important day coming for small businesses: August 2. That's the day the national debt ceiling must be raised, or the U.S. will officially default on its debt.

Okay...where's your data for this? Oh wait...you don't have any.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2011, 02:00:42 PM
Quote from: D on July 16, 2011, 01:23:45 PM
QuoteThere's an important day coming for small businesses: August 2. That's the day the national debt ceiling must be raised, or the U.S. will officially default on its debt.
Citation DEFINITELY needed for that claim of theirs.
Also, that's implying default (and/or repudiation of the government's debt) would be a bad thing to begin with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 16, 2011, 02:16:41 PM
I just ran some numbers. If the current debt were like a mortgage loan to be paid off in 30 years, then the annual payments on it (principal plus interest) would be about $710 billion. Estimated 2011 revenues are $2,173 billion. That's a debt-to-income ratio of 32.7%. Anything less than 36% is considered healthy.

No default.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2011, 02:25:35 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 16, 2011, 02:16:41 PM
I just ran some numbers. If the current debt were like a mortgage loan to be paid off in 30 years, then the annual payments on it (principal plus interest) would be about $710 billion. Estimated 2011 revenues are $2,173 billion. That's a debt-to-income ratio of 32.7%. Anything less than 36% is considered healthy.

No default.

*applause* Well played, good sir. :)

Though we can both probably agree that the "income" listed should be lower, if you know what I mean *coughlowertaxescough*.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 16, 2011, 02:31:22 PM
But do they actually have the intention of paying anything back=?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 16, 2011, 02:54:40 PM
The Treasury has no alternative but to make the payments. It's just that right now, the payments are only about $300 billion, which won't pay it back for a LONG time, if ever.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2011, 03:09:31 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 16, 2011, 02:54:40 PMThe Treasury has no alternative but to make the payments. It's just that right now, the payments are only about $300 billion, which won't pay it back for a LONG time, if ever.

Debt ceiling aside, is there a theoretical economic limit to which the debt can go?  I know those numbers can't go up forever (obviously).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 16, 2011, 04:13:01 PM
There's not like a fixed dollar amount, but at some point it's going to get to the point where people and banks stop keeping dollars in reserve as the currency devalues and the debt mounts. Dollars are still the #1 form of money in the world, with gold in second place. The more this goes on, the more people and foreign banks will stop keeping dollars and start turning them in for gold. Once the foreign banks start doing this en masse, the dollar collapses.

Keep in mind, though, that no one can predict timing, and there are other factors involved as well. But if we keep going the way we're going, the collapse is not a matter of IF it will happen, but WHEN.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 16, 2011, 06:48:58 PM
"Why cant both thoise claims be right? Lets put it this way......(and I can get to chemtrails later as I witness them and their effects DAILY here in the midwest...In fact, I can open my window and take a picture right now if you will)

Our international affairs have made more hardened enemies worldwide than friends. Our CONTINUAL affairs will make more. And it is my belief it is by design to be that way.

I can believe that through some very simple coercion that CIA could essentially take those hardened and willing men, finance their mission, and allow them to carry out there plan in the name of starting a war that makes some very powerful men even more powerful and wealthy. False flags are tradition in all warfare to incite anger.

There are more questions than answers on the 9/11 topic.

If you do not care to know more. Or if you do not entertain even the notion that it is a possibility then we can be done with this now and my feelings will not be hurt. I have learned not to waste my time with ears that do not bend.

I can tell you that 9/11 truthers are not some fringe group of conspiratists. They are very well informed, educated." - A conspiracy theorist I know on Facebook.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 17, 2011, 06:51:06 AM
"Time is running out to raise the debt ceiling. Come August 2nd the country will have no money." - Sara Welch, an anchor for the weekend show of my local news affiliate WTNH.

Either this woman is stupid, or they're getting really desperate to get people to want to raise the debt ceiling.

I sent a comment to WTNH on their facebook thread on this with the numbers you posted as well as a statement from the Mises article about raising the debt ceiling stating that the treasury would have to pull a pay as you go system on the debt. They only read part of my comment on the air about military spending, but blatantly ignored everything else.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 17, 2011, 08:09:47 AM
"If you look at the case, there was overwhelming evidence to support Casey Anthony was guilty." - Nancy Grace
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 17, 2011, 09:23:03 AM
Quote from: D on July 17, 2011, 06:51:06 AM
"Time is running out to raise the debt ceiling. Come August 2nd the country will have no money." - Sara Welch, an anchor for the weekend show of my local news affiliate WTNH.
Time is running out on Sara Welch's brain.  Come August 2nd, it will have no cluons.  See what I did there?

Quote from: D on July 17, 2011, 08:09:47 AM
"If you look at the case, there was overwhelming evidence to support Casey Anthony was guilty." - Nancy Grace
One of the many reasons I don't watch the news.  They have a bogon hazard worse than a creationist video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 17, 2011, 09:23:55 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 17, 2011, 09:23:03 AM
Time is running out on Sara Welch's brain.  Come August 2nd, it will have no cluons.  See what I did there?
One of the many reasons I don't watch the news.  They have a bogon hazard worse than a creationist video.

I know. Trust me. I'm getting so sick and tired of the news, but unfortunately when I'm with my dad, I can't really escape it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 17, 2011, 11:48:28 AM
"But we legislate through morality all the time. If we didn't use morals, rape and murder should be legal."

-Dipshit preacher who I'm designing a website when we got into a conversation of what a Libertarian is
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 17, 2011, 12:28:00 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on July 17, 2011, 11:48:28 AM
"But we legislate through morality all the time. If we didn't use morals, rape and murder should be legal."

-Dipshit preacher who I'm designing a website when we got into a conversation of what a Libertarian is

Wow. That claim is so asinine. It gives credence to the idea legality is morality, when more times than not that couldn't be any further from the truth.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 17, 2011, 07:03:08 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on July 17, 2011, 11:48:28 AM
"But we legislate through morality all the time. If we didn't use morals, rape and murder should be legal."

-Dipshit preacher who I'm designing a website when we got into a conversation of what a Libertarian is
It's also a fallacy.  So unless we have laws against victimless crimes we can't have laws against rape, murder and theft?  Makes me crave À la carte laws.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on July 18, 2011, 04:16:19 AM
I wanted to make a seperate thread about this, but this is probalby some fail quotes from yours trully, so i might as well put it here.

The people I was arguing with are in blue, I am in green.

if they'd just released a demo at this point, they could have avoided the leak entirely. The leaked beta provided a great demo for the game, many new customers were attracted to the game as a result of it. Yes it was a violation of trust, yes it was an asshole thing to do, but in the end they really provoked it by keep it behind closed doors for so long, if you hype things up without actually showing it.. it does lead people to do stupid shit like this. In the end developers should be releasing demos like it used to be, that way we won't have need to leak anything until the retail version is ready.. then the pirates will do as they do anyway, nothing can be done about that because it'll always be a problem. (unless you take away peoples rights..)

He is talking about the leaked preview built of a game called Deus Ex: Human Revolution, a build that I also have on my computer. Now, the problem with this post to me was, that he is engaging in victim blaming, which is something I am really not very fond of. And he continued to do so in his next couple of posts.

Also, my problem with this has nothing to do with copyrights, or the law, or anything, just the mentality of blaming the victim, for something you think is wrong.

And in responce to that, rather emotionally, i said this:

By Mr_Cyberpunk's brilliant logic, women who dress "slutty" are all asking for rape.

Now, i was immediately attacked for giving such an extreme example and i do have to agree,
that i could have went for something else, rather than play this cheap card. But this is one of the
first examples i think off, where this type of thinking just shines as purely stupid and outright evil..

Yes, it is true that any time someone makes the argument that someone brings violation on themselves by doing something they consider provocative and then not putting out, which was Mr. Cyberpunk's argument, it brings unpleasant associations of evil arguments past to mind. But I don't see the benefit in dragging them into the light. It risks trivializing the more serious violation and is more likely to provoke the kind of defensiveness that will make someone reinforce their position than it is to make them seriously reconsider what they are saying. In my opinion at least.

While it is certainly true the much the same argument has been used to claim that rape victims were responsible for being raped, it is also true that comparing not-at-all-rape things to rape has a net effect of making rape seem ... well, less evil. You can't compare software piracy to rape without comparing rape to software piracy, and treating the two as comparable is a very, very bad idea. Ideally you could make the connection without in any way normalizing rape or in anyway implying they were remotely on the same level, but in the real world human minds don't tend to work that way.

This, i had a problem with, since he is basically claiming, that using the word "rape" in a context that doesn't actually have anything to do
with rape, normalizes this evil act and thus, potentially making rape less of a crime and making it a more common occurrence. At least this is
what i get from his posts. Why would he be so up and arms about it, otherwise?

So i asked this:

Can we use murder in conversations not about murder? Can i say "Invisible War KILLED the franchise"? Are you going to tell me how we are normalizing murder

His reply:

Do you really want to get into this? Because I have to say, I don't.

A long discussion of rape culture is not something that I really want to have. I'd also rather not parse the differences between being killed and being raped in any kind of detail. I'd prefer to avoid getting into the difference in how rape and attempted rape victims are treated as opposed to murder and attempted murder victims (or why it is that when someone is a victim of both people seem to default to the worse treatment.)

This is a fucking game thread as far as I know, we shouldn't have to be having this conversation. Why exactly do you feel the need to argue this point? Rape is a pretty narrowly defined term which means that it doesn't apply in the absence of sexual violence anyway. What's the worst that could happen if people stopped using it where it didn't apply? Their language ends up more precise? Oh the motherfracking horror.

This isn't the answer to your question that I should give because it doesn't address the myriad reasons why one shouldn't, for example, use the term rape where you've used the term "killed". It doesn't address the moral concerns, but since those moral concerns are built on a foundation of unnecessary undeserved suffering it makes my stomach turn to think of them, so I'd rather not go there. So today you get the cheap answer, the easy out as it were:

To say that a franchise was killed is a fairly straightforward almost literal statement. It was alive, then it was dead, something did that to it, the word for the verb for that is to kill.

To say that a franchise was raped is not the same. It doesn't apply. It can't apply. The meaning of the word rape doesn't allow it to apply.

Even if all else were equal, and it isn't, the use of rape would still be inappropriate where the use of the word kill is not.

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If you really want to get into depth about why I'm saying that it is genuinely harmful to use the term rape in a situation like this I'll see if I can look up one of the many things other people have written on the topic. That should have two benefits. The first is that it would mean that the bulk of the writing would be off-site (all that would be needed here would be a link) which means this wouldn't be derailing the conversation here anymore. Second it would save me the trouble of writing more on a topic that I find quite literally sickening.

Now, as I've said, the colors represent them in blue and me in green, they don't point out the fail quotes. I would like you guys to tell me if i
am the guy on the wrong side here, because i just don't get it.

I believe, that the problem with rape is actual rapists and not people who use the word the wrong way. I just don't get this mentality, that merely using the word "rape" casually, can lead to any sort of harm. And when i say harm, i mean to actually contribute to an increase of rape crimes and the abuse of women and men, not just being insensitive to actual rape victims.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2011, 03:35:20 PM
Every single post made by FSAthe1st in the comment section of this video:  [yt]uJQr3wHWnC8[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 18, 2011, 03:52:23 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 18, 2011, 03:35:20 PM
Every single post made by FSAthe1st in the comment section of this video:  [yt]uJQr3wHWnC8[/yt]

Agreed. I just don't understand his motivation here. I mean, he's arguing for the sake of proving himself correct rather than trying to learn something. It's the anti-socratic method.

EDIT: He seems like he might be reconsidering his attitude thus far, so I'm going to withhold judgement for now.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2011, 08:03:07 PM
Every single comment by bobmuffins posted on this video:  [yt]pvEC71m7j4g[/yt]  And his comments on Shane's videos on fixing healthcare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7z4iHCNHMI), and what is money. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtF_zbI5j7M)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 18, 2011, 08:28:34 PM
Nancy Grace really is a smug and arrogant prick.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 18, 2011, 08:43:09 PM
She really just made herself the self-appointed crusader for Caylee--as well as prosecutor, judge, and jury.

I don't think it's any coincidence she used to be a prosecutor. She took to this case just like a prosecutor: automatically assume guilt, cling to it like a religion, and come up with every excuse to support it even though the evidence for it is severely lacking.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 18, 2011, 08:45:08 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 18, 2011, 08:43:09 PM
She really just made herself the self-appointed crusader for Caylee--as well as prosecutor, judge, and jury.

I don't think it's any coincidence she used to be a prosecutor. She took to this case just like a prosecutor: automatically assume guilt, cling to it like a religion, and come up with every excuse to support it even though the evidence for it is severely lacking.

She also brought up her fiance being killed. I think she tries to cling that emotion to every single case and automatically assumes the worst.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 19, 2011, 07:53:35 AM
On my local news affiliate's Facebook page, there is a topic on the debt ceiling, and this little gem of fail happened to show up.

Quotetaxes arent even enup 2 pay for state and gov workers how wud it help the national debt? how about EVERY! makes the same amount!! every1s job is hard. even the cashier at stop and shop. so we shud all including gov and state wrkers make the same. and if we want to pay debt then they shud raise taxes alittle. cant always get what u want. my household makes less than 35,000. ive learned 2 live with out ipads and magizine subscriptions. get rid of crap u dont need and u will have sum money. and the country shud have a maximum wage!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on July 19, 2011, 02:44:25 PM
Thanks for the lobotomy, D.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 19, 2011, 02:49:24 PM
Quote from: VectorM on July 19, 2011, 02:44:25 PM
Thanks for the lobotomy, D.

You are quite welcome. I would have translated it to English, but I feel like had I done that, it would have taken away from the stupid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 19, 2011, 03:06:50 PM
Quote from: D on July 19, 2011, 07:53:35 AM
On my local news affiliates Facebook page, there is a topic on the debt ceiling, and this little gem of fail happened to show up.


The only way I could respond was by sitting there with my jaw hanging open for a full minute and a half. WOW, that was horrid...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 20, 2011, 09:07:24 AM
"Get more streaming movies and shows! We want more streaming movies and shows!...Hey, why'd you raise your prices???" --Many Netflix customers
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 20, 2011, 11:36:22 PM
Ugh, the entire panel segment of the July 16th episode of Real Time with Bill Maher.

It's pretty much all bullshit. It starts with Maher complaining about Wall Street Journal printing a story about a guy with a mechanical hand getting a medal of honor, then it goes on into how economic booms are due to raising taxes...I'm not even kidding. They also talk more alarmist bullshit about how if the debt ceiling isn't raised then the world as we know it will end. The panel consisted of Dan Savage, Mark Cuban, and some woman whose name I forget. It was atrocious to say the least.


Here is at least part of the panel discussion. For whatever reason, I can't find the whole discussion that they had.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 22, 2011, 11:44:57 PM
"I don't think there is such a thing as independent voters." - Bill Maher
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 23, 2011, 12:05:51 AM
How I lasted this long before posting this pile of economic fail, I'll never know.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 23, 2011, 08:33:51 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 23, 2011, 12:05:51 AM
How I lasted this long before posting this pile of economic fail, I'll never know.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 23, 2011, 09:18:32 AM
The first half was actually entertaining but then it just plunges into bogosity a million miles a minute.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 23, 2011, 01:18:16 PM
Every comment left by blackacidlizzard on this video [yt]95O6lxrm8SA[/yt] and on this video:  [yt]b-kSyKhXzVw[/yt]


From the first video,

blackacidlizzard: "Socialists also claim that man needs to eat.

Digestion is socialist!"

Me: "Not sure what the point of this comment of yours is, but if you don't believe me, read the communist manifesto."

blackacidlizzard: "Do you not believe my claim? Read socialist literature, it is very clear that they support digestion, therefore digesting is socialist!

The point is that the support of a particular action by a particular group does not make that action a specifically (insert group name here) action."

Me: "*facepalms* Rewatch the video for the definition of socialism dude."

Me: "And check the 10th plank of the communist manifesto while you're at it."

The worst part of this?  He's an anarchist too...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 23, 2011, 01:47:33 PM
Can you have an anarcho-socialist? Anarcho-communist I can see, but how would anarcho-socialism work?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 23, 2011, 02:34:00 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 23, 2011, 01:47:33 PMCan you have an anarcho-socialist? Anarcho-communist I can see, but how would anarcho-socialism work?
I've always thought that Anarcho-Communism and Anarcho-Socialism are used interchangeably. Though Wikipedia tends to say otherwise.  Why do you ask?
There are people calling themselves "Libertarian Socialists" but I doubt you'd consider them a kind of Libertarian. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 23, 2011, 02:36:23 PM
And another bit from this guy:

Blackacidlizzard:  "Goddamn you're dense.

Your claim made above, and reinforced by your insistence that people look at the Communist Manifesto (already read it, but thanks for the suggestion) in order to verify: knowing that socialists support public schooling is knowing that public education is socialist.

Oh, and every widely used political word means many distinct things, always including mutually exclusive things."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 23, 2011, 02:36:44 PM
Heh, I'm dense.  He's one to talk.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 23, 2011, 08:02:18 PM
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Anyone not named Nick Gillespie.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 23, 2011, 08:16:23 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 23, 2011, 01:47:33 PM
Can you have an anarcho-socialist? Anarcho-communist I can see, but how would anarcho-socialism work?

"Hey you there making the pies, you have to share them with everyone so it's fair!"

"Oh really?  Do you have any guns to force me to?"

"No..."

"Well fuck off then"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 23, 2011, 08:36:01 PM
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By the way, here is a short clip from last week's Real Time where the idiot claims that higher taxes creates a better economy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 24, 2011, 09:33:09 PM
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This is a fail video only from the perspective of a professional wrestling fan. Jack tries to compare Julian Assange to John Cena, going as far as to say that the negative fan reaction against Cena is for the same reason that Wikileaks and Julian got from the US government and news media.

He also gave John Cena a 10/10 for in ring work....

John Cena is a great person, a company man, a great asset for marketing, and decent on the mic, but John Cena is not a 10 when it comes to in ring ability.

Now that I think about it, his comparison of Wikileaks to Cena is a tad off. If anything, What Wikileaks does is closer to the current storyline involving CM Punk a lot more than John Cena.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 27, 2011, 06:46:07 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/libertarians/posts/153072441435627

There are a lot of posts in support of raising the debt ceiling.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 27, 2011, 06:51:29 PM
Because we all know the only surefire way to reduce your debt is to spend even more money.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 27, 2011, 06:56:14 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on July 27, 2011, 06:51:29 PM
Because we all know the only surefire way to reduce your debt is to spend even more money.

Indeed. Hell, some of these people are as paranoid as the news media and politicians.

QuoteThis quote is disastrous by nature. What do you think will be cut? EVERY SOCIAL PROGRAM, INCLUDING MASSIVE EDUCATION CUTS. No thanks Libertarians; I am saddened to see that you have become as bad as the rest.

QuoteNot raising the debt ceiling = not paying for things that have already been bought. The money has already been spent. Yes, spending needs to be cut, but not at the expense of the world economies. Skyrocketing interest rates will be like another tax on Americans that have any type of adjustable interest loan. A plummeting dollar will likely drive up the cost of oil by a lot, so there's another "tax" on Americans because fuel costs will go through the roof. It's just not smart to hold the American people hostage and drive them into bankruptcy.

QuoteFirst off, default would be horrible for the economy. The dropping of the US credit rating would be so destructive to ours, and the worlds economy. I appreciate the reason behind the words, but this cannot be done without dire consequences.

Also, you all do realize that part of the debt the us owes is to the Social Security Trust Fund. Almost $3 trillion in fact. Do we just write that off and those who have paid in for so long get screwed? I don't see that as very fair.

I do appreciate the Libertarian view on free markets, civil liberties, and peace. Sometimes things aren't so black and white though.

QuoteYou realize that not raising the debt ceiling lowers our credit rating. Lowering that increases interest on everything... from mortgages, to your car payment, to basically... everything. By not raising it you are essentially increasing taxes on everyone.

Here is something to get everyone riled up... France would have a better credit rating than the US. So would Canada....they are socialist countries by the way... lol

Let's just pay the bill, then figure out how to fix things shall we?

QuoteWith out raising the debt celling all of the troops risking their life's wouldn't be getting paid. Its not like they can just stop doing there job.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 29, 2011, 10:14:42 AM
(http://www.uplolit.com/media/201112/3b5cc6b90a00d7e813720a86d938cae1.jpg) (http://www.uplolit.com/view/sarah-palin-fascism-3b5cc6b90a00d7e813720a86d938cae1.html)

Not that I'm any kind of defender of Sarah Palin or anything, but Sinclair Lewis never said this, and he wasn't even born until 1885!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 30, 2011, 11:04:03 AM
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/6/4/7/71647_v1.gif)

(Source:  http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_231_creative-ways-to-teach-children-harsh-life-lessons_p2/ It's the picture labeled "#4.")
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 30, 2011, 11:41:27 AM
It's not the operation that's denied it's just the insurance that wont pay for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 30, 2011, 07:03:13 PM
A Christian's attempt at humor.

"I'm pretty surprised they haven't filed a lawsuit against every cemetary known to man. Where do you bury an atheist? Nowhere I don't believe in shovels. A grave mistake indeed. hahaha"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 30, 2011, 07:05:17 PM
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Not even 14 seconds in, I find something wrong with it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 30, 2011, 10:46:52 PM
That was complete fail from start to finish!

Why on EARTH does he think I don't believe that quantity will fall below LRAS in a recession???
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 30, 2011, 10:56:32 PM
I had to lol for a minute at one of the comments on that video:

QuoteShane is just a loud mouth baffon who loves to hear himself talk. Every video he uploads is his personal openion, historical facts, or any other facts means nothing to him. He also has an obsession with Darwinism. If one is nieve enough to add a comment on one of his videos, he first makes the decision if you are a Darwinist or a Creationist, and if his decision is Creatonist he attacks you like a rabid dog. He also has two sock accounts "vspqbd" and virgil0211 are his constant supporters.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 30, 2011, 11:26:24 PM
That's our old friend louiethegreater. Sad thing is, two people thumbed-up the comment!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 31, 2011, 08:49:34 AM
What's even worse is this one from post-objectivist and anarcho capitalist, ladyattis:

Quote from: ladyattisI have to agree. I didn't understand shane's video. It seem to go into some weird assumptions that contradict each other. At least, that's how I saw it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 31, 2011, 08:49:56 AM
I was digging through old threads on a forum I go to when I found this......mess.

QuoteBTW, communism is the highest form of capitalism last time I remembered and if you don't know what capitalism and furthermore Marxism is, I suggest you step back and re-think about what your going to say.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 31, 2011, 08:53:41 AM
Quote from: D on July 31, 2011, 08:49:56 AM
QuoteBTW, communism is the highest form of capitalism last time I remembered and if you don't know what capitalism and furthermore Marxism is, I suggest you step back and re-think about what your going to say.

Trollololol!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 31, 2011, 09:05:18 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 31, 2011, 08:53:41 AMTrollololol!

That was my reaction initially.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 31, 2011, 09:26:27 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 18, 2011, 03:35:20 PMEvery single post made by FSAthe1st in the comment section of this video:  [yt]uJQr3wHWnC8[/yt]
Make that, every comment not only by him, but also his sockpuppets as well (all of which have probably been deleted, though based on what I was told from Shane, yeah, they were super fails.).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 31, 2011, 09:28:00 AM
Every single comment made by AndroidPolitician in the comment section of this video:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 31, 2011, 12:34:46 PM
"What does prayer or religion have to do with governance..these people are so retarded and can't do things on their own..its really sad adults have to pray for guidance on any issue when all they have to do is use their rational mind for guidance.."

>implying the government has ever used rationality even without prayer
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 31, 2011, 08:31:58 PM
I mentioned this in the podcast thread, but still.

This was a response I got on another forum about the evolution topic. This guy posted a massive wall of fail which Shane debunked most of already in his BBE segment. I called it out for the tripe that it is and even posted all 6 parts to How Evolution is Scientific. He spewed a few things, most of which are completely hilarious.

Quotewhy have we all the sudden stopped evolving, I mean history has been going back for thousands of years and not one change since then. I mean sure we've evolved mentally but somewhat none physically...Rest my case

QuoteIts been like 5000 years since history has been recorded

Quotehow long would it freakin take to shed some hair then...fucking monkeys

He posted a bunch of inane nonsense that was thoroughly debunked, but he finally ended up posting this, which is the most hilarious thing I've read in a long time.
QuotePost the usual garbage that fucking proves the shit!! Dammit I do think your fuckin insane...and dude he walked on water...its history..its documented...its called the bible there in every book store youll ever see in your life
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 31, 2011, 09:29:51 PM
On a Doctor Who forum regarding Season 6 so far

QuoteWhile there's no doubt in my mind that the overall arc in season 6a is too strongly interwoven for anyone to enjoy an isolated episode, the same could not be said of season 5.

Really? The three seconds (give or take) of arc material in Curse of the Black Spot and The Doctor's Wife or the mere minutes of it in the Gangers two-parter (a lot of it right at the very end after the main Gangers plot had already been wrapped up) mean nobody could possibly enjoy these episodes on their own?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 02, 2011, 12:05:08 PM
QuoteNo matter what you say or think, God is just. God is the only holy or righteous thing/being in existence. So saying that God is cruel with what little perspective and limited brain power we have is damn ignorant, yet understandable since you are all very self-righteous and full of pathos and ethos.

This is what fundamentalists actually believe.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 02, 2011, 08:03:17 PM
It had some good points but it became way too conspiratorial. It even goes as far as to imply that JFK was assassinated by the Federal Reserve.
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Post by: Virgil0211 on August 04, 2011, 05:32:06 PM
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How could I NOT post these here?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 04, 2011, 05:36:32 PM
How about a blow-by-blow so I don't have to waste 48 minutes of my life watching that drivel?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 04, 2011, 05:43:50 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 04, 2011, 05:36:32 PM
How about a blow-by-blow so I don't have to waste 48 minutes of my life watching that drivel?

I'll see what I can do, but I'm about to get very busy. May be better to ask surhot or LTH for that. :-P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 06, 2011, 02:55:09 PM
Every single comment without exception from FSAthe1st on this:  https://bogosity.podbean.com/2011/07/17/bogosity-podcast-for-18-july-2011/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 06, 2011, 03:44:06 PM
QuoteI for once agree need to take out military forces out every country in the middle east . However south Korea needs our presence otherwise north Korea will begin to push a campaign like no other to take over . Also keep a few base on the east side we need to protect our borders but we need to keep our military supply lines for strategic reasons.

Ugh. When will people realize that we have no legitimate business in these countries?

It gets worse:
QuoteAs far as war goes it's from my personal view that sure we can border up and leave the rest of the be but there are some wars that we can fight and win namely the war against drugs in mexico, central and south America if we treat it as it is a war . If we really focus we could have end this a long time all it really needs is routine air strikes and raids.
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Post by: Travis Retriever on August 06, 2011, 09:53:43 PM
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A response video to Shane's "What is the Free Market?" video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 07, 2011, 06:30:37 AM
Quoteokay now i am in my quarters I explain something there is a difference between fighting cartels and fighting "terrorist" (cartels are terrorist).

The problem with legalizing drugs what would stop legal industries seeking those same cartels as suppliers rather than supply themselves cheaper labour means more profits. This is wasn't the case really for alcohol because it much easier to start a brewery than to start up your own fields upon fields .
And i wasn't saying it will stop cartels but it can be controlled you hit their profits such as their fields and so fort constantly they eventually give up .
Middle eastern terrorists have nothing to lose so that fight is a never ending war they are fighting to gain while cartels and drug lords have everything to lose thats the huge difference between the two.

for the record you can't have the whole military standing idle or discharge as you please adjusting to life after seeing so many combat tours is rough. The reason I know this is because this is how I am from time to time which is why i am semi pro war.

STUPID STUPID STUPID!

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 07, 2011, 08:29:37 AM
Wow, that guy sure knows what he's not talking about.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 07, 2011, 07:23:32 PM
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Nightmare060 is at it yet again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 08, 2011, 11:54:12 AM
The conspiracy loons are full force again.

Someone posted this (http://wakeup-world.com/2011/06/06/push_for_lithium_to_be_added_to_our_drinking_water/) on facebook:

"Experts" Push For Lithium To Be Added To Our Drinking Water

QuoteApparently there are not enough chemicals already added to our drinking water, as there is now a call by "experts" to further poison our water supplies by adding Lithium. Their main reason is to decrease suicide and violent crime rates.

So it this how we wish to function as a society?  Instead of dealing with our issues at hand, let's drug ourselves so that we don't have to deal with personal subjects that may be perceived as hard, negative or scary. This is not a time for putting our heads in the sand and pretending or even hoping that an issue will just resolve itself. Where is the personal growth in that? Don't you feel elated when you resolve a personal issue that no longer hangs over your head or weights on your mind? It is more important than ever to clear ourselves of past issues that we have held onto and allow more room for the new energies coming to earth to take its place within our being.

What is Lithium usually prescribed for?

    * Bi polar disorder
    * Agitation not associated with bipolar disorder
    * Depression and to boost the effect of antidepressants
    * As a mood stabiliser
    * Sever Migraine Headaches


"Much like fluoride, lithium alters the brain's normal production of serotonin and norepinephrine, which in turn artificially alters the way an individual thinks and how he or she feels about a given situation. Lithium is literally a mind-altering, antidepressant chemical substance that those promoting it openly admit modifies brain function. And yet they purport that forcibly inducing these chemical changes on the unwitting populations of the world is a good and acceptable idea." Source (http://www.naturalnews.com/032576_lithium_drinking_water.html#ixzz1OSpQrroM)

So what are "experts" saying?

"Lithium has been heralded by some experts as the next potential flouride, after scientists found suicide rates were lower in areas where the drinking water had higher concentrations of the element, reports the Daily Mail" Source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1390732/Adding-Lithium-drinking-water-lower-suicide-rates.html)

"Time to supplement? Some scientists believe lithium could reduce suicide rates if traces were added to drinking water. The study, published in the British Journal of Psychiatry, analysed a sample of 6,460 lithium measurements and then compared suicide rates across 99 districts." Source (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/new-research-finds-lower-suicide-rates-in-areas-where-drinking-water-has-a-higher-concentration-of-lithium/story-e6frf00i-1226063628178)

If anyone still believes that adding fluoride into our drinking water is a good idea. Please read our article on this subject here.

What are some side effects of Lithium?

    * extreme thirst, urinating more or less than usual;
    * weakness, fever, feeling restless or confused, eye pain and vision problems;
    * restless muscle movements in your eyes, tongue, jaw, or neck;
    * pain, cold feeling, or discolorations in your fingers or toes;
    * feeling light-headed, fainting, slow heart rate;
    * hallucinations, seizure (blackout or convulsions);
    * fever with muscle stiffness, sweating, fast or uneven heartbeats; or
    * early signs of lithium toxicity, such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, drowsiness, muscle weakness, tremor, lack of coordination, blurred vision, or ringing in your ears.


Less serious side effects may include:

    * mild tremor of the hands;
    * weakness, lack of coordination;
    * mild nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, stomach pain or upset;
    * thinning or drying of the hair; or
    * itching skin.


Side Effects Source (http://www.drugs.com/lithium.html)

Adding Lithium appears to be yet another way that our population can be "dumbed down". Why would governments want to turn our drinking water into a chemical cocktail? Perhaps this way society we will be more malleable and less people will be concerned about what is really going on in this world.

What I want to know is who are these so called "experts" that these nutjobs keep coming up with? They never go out of their way to give any kind of source for who is making these kind of claims and just referring to them as "experts" in quotations. I tend to think that people who give these conspiracy wackos their so called "information" are merely trolls.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 09, 2011, 12:16:00 PM
I have a headache now.

Just got into a debate with my aunt over the debt ceiling. First off, she admits to being a socialist because IT'S DA MORAL THANG TO DO YA KNOW. Ugh, makes me sick to my stomach. I said that socialism is the use of force with the intent to steal. She denied that. I asked her how socialism would work without the use of force and she gave me the half ass answer of "Just make it a law."

/facepalm

She also said some gibberish too about how the debt limit isn't about how much money the government can borrow but about some other bullshit I don't remember. I'll have to ask her again when I see her.* All I remember was it was fucking stupid and she INSISTED I look up the definition of debt ceiling because she honestly believed that it wouldn't say how much money government is allowed to borrow.

Not even 5 seconds later, on google, this came up:

QuoteWeb definitions:
* debt limit: the maximum borrowing power of a governmental entity

* A limit, set by Congress, on how much federal debt the U.S. can hold.

* An explicit, legislated limit on the amount of outstanding national debt.

She made the statement that the news media and the government kept using the wrong terminology about what the debt ceiling really is, despite the fact that a basic search on google, and a fully functioning brain, would tell you that the debt ceiling is pretty self explanatory. She also kept saying, "IT ISN'T ABOUT BUDGETING IT IS ABOUT OUR PAST NOT OUR FUTURE!"

*EDIT: I remember now what she said. She said that the debt ceiling is how much of the debt we're going to pay off, and not raising the debt ceiling is telling other countries that we're choosing to default. Fucking retarded indeed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 10, 2011, 09:42:21 AM
The entire article, no way around it: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/MH11Dg01.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 10, 2011, 10:46:53 AM
@Shane:  Christ...I stopped reading after the first sentence.  It sounded like something that belonged on The Onion.

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This video: [yt]EysZVSlMmXg[/yt]

And most--if not every--comment by Ex_Nihil0 in this thread:  https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=579
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 10, 2011, 11:19:32 AM
Why is that video a fail? The only part of it I thought was over the top was when he said gays wanted to get married to denigrate religious marriage. Other than that, I thought he had a lot of good points.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 10, 2011, 11:52:21 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 10, 2011, 11:19:32 AM
Why is that video a fail? The only part of it I thought was over the top was when he said gays wanted to get married to denigrate religious marriage. Other than that, I thought he had a lot of good points.

To be fair I was going by this:  https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=60.msg668#msg668
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 10, 2011, 12:19:01 PM
Whatever happened to FlowCell, anyway?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 10, 2011, 12:27:04 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 10, 2011, 12:19:01 PMWhatever happened to FlowCell, anyway?

The last I saw, he made a comment on Lord T Hawkeye's latest video where he points out that FSAthe1st banned him from commenting on that video too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 10, 2011, 01:10:14 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 10, 2011, 12:27:04 PM
The last I saw, he made a comment on Lord T Hawkeye's latest video where he points out that FSAthe1st banned him from commenting on that video too.

Why am I not surprised?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 10, 2011, 01:33:15 PM
Maybe we should lock FSAthe1st and Flow Cell in a room together for a few hours for the lulz.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 10, 2011, 04:15:35 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on August 10, 2011, 01:33:15 PM
Maybe we should lock FSAthe1st and Flow Cell in a room together for a few hours for the lulz.

No, no, no, no... That's completely wrong.

We'll lock them in a small flat wired up with zillions of hidden cameras and microphones, post the highlights reels on youtube, then sell uncut DVDs of the rest.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 10, 2011, 08:19:21 PM
Ugh, unfortunately, tragedies bring about stupidity and anti-fun brigades. A cop is blaming Grand Theft Auto for inspiring the riots.

Source. (http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/game/3295793/london-riots-blamed-on-video-games/)

Quote"These are bad people who did this. Kids out of control. When I was young it was all Pacman and board games. Now they're playing Grand Theft Auto and want to live it for themselves."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 10, 2011, 09:51:02 PM
Oh wonderful!  As if I needed yet ANOTHER reason to think even less of pigs police officers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 10, 2011, 11:45:47 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 10, 2011, 09:51:02 PM
Oh wonderful!  As if I needed yet ANOTHER reason to think even less of pigs police officers.

Of course. You should know by now that when bad things happen they're ALWAYS going to blame someone or something else, even if it is completely unrelated.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 11, 2011, 10:35:06 AM
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This video is kind of a mixed bag. It has some good points like how people have been spoiled by entitlement programs and what not, he also makes a few blunders.

He said something in here along the lines of how apparently gun crime is rampant in Britain, despite how most Brits are proud of their very strict gun control laws. He also said something about how anyone involved with the riots in any way, shape, or form should have their house demolished, and fuck their basic human rights.

EDIT: Apparently he removed the video. Hmm....I wonder if he's going to reupload it or possibly reword it this time. Who knows.

EDIT 2 - Electric Boogaloo: Apparently he reuploaded it....but with crappier audio. Whatever.

EDIT 3: So reading through the comments, I came across this gem of failure.
QuoteI doubt the police would just walk by & put a bullet in him for no reason & completely unprovoked. Besides it doesn't justify what those anarchists are doing, hope they all get lined up against the wall & shot when it is over.
>implying that police don't plant evidence and abuse their power
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2011, 12:59:51 PM
Regarding that quoted gem of fail, also a fail for calling for the anarchists death like that...the police state:  already here.

Also, it seems Pat Condell has really gone downhill in recent years.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 11, 2011, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 11, 2011, 12:59:51 PM
Regarding that quoted gem of fail, also a fail for calling for the anarchists death like that...the police state:  already here.

Also, it seems Pat Condell has really gone downhill in recent years.

Here's another failure:
QuoteAs usual Pat cuts through all the bullshit and speaks to the heart of the problem.

What's needed are a few fatal beatings of these parasites. Then they will learn that society doesn't owe you anything. These dregs of self entitlement.

It's time we did a little culling of the herd.

And now we have socialist douchebaggery:
QuoteSigh, what a terrible worldview you have, let the poor starve and die instead of providing them with OUR money so that they can eat and survive, that'll solve everything right.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2011, 01:17:57 PM
Yeah...there was so much wrong with that, I wouldn't even know where to begin...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 11, 2011, 01:20:39 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 11, 2011, 01:17:57 PM
Yeah...there was so much wrong with that, I wouldn't even know where to begin...

More socialism douchebaggery!

QuoteI'm Pat I love authoritarianism and Capitalism, and anything that opposes it is wrong. I had a pampered upbringing but I know about everything even though i have never experienced any of it, but because I'm and Ignorant Snob - stop labelling everything that you know nothing about reading a news paper watching the news or reading blogs isn't really going to enlighten you into how these lesser people of society behave and why they do the things they do!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2011, 02:44:57 PM
Quote from: D on August 11, 2011, 01:20:39 PM
More socialism douchebaggery!
I was referring to the first one you posted. :P
I didn't see the second one, but yeah, second one (and the latest) is messed up too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 11, 2011, 02:53:22 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 11, 2011, 02:44:57 PM
I was referring to the first one you posted. :P
I didn't see the second one, but yeah, second one (and the latest) is messed up too.

Oh I know, but yeah, socialist douchebaggery at its finest.

Speaking of douchebaggery, it's time for conspiracy douchebaggery!

[yt]Azv0ENWK0Wo[/yt]

DA LUNDUN RYUTZ WUR AN INSYD JAWB!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 11, 2011, 03:18:05 PM
I don't think I want to watch that one at all...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2011, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: D on August 11, 2011, 02:53:22 PM
Oh I know, but yeah, socialist douchebaggery at its finest.
Cool, just wanted to make sure I was clear. :)

Quote
Speaking of douchebaggery, it's time for conspiracy douchebaggery!

[yt]Azv0ENWK0Wo[/yt]

DA LUNDUN RYUTZ WUR AN INSYD JAWB!
(emphasis added by me) probably sums that video up quite nicely.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 11, 2011, 03:29:15 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 11, 2011, 03:18:05 PM
I don't think I want to watch that one at all...

It helps to think of it as a comedy...

Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 11, 2011, 03:28:23 PM
(emphasis added by me) probably sums that video up quite nicely.
"There were other reports that men posing as journalists were basically offering money to youths if they too would engage in rioting."
INSYD JAWRB!!!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 11, 2011, 06:55:43 PM
Was Pat wrong in saying gun crime is rampant in Britain?

I heard at the very least, because of gun control, now muggers just stab you and take your wallet, leaving you to bleed to death.

And while I do understand the causes of the riots, that in no way changes the fact that those doing it are poisons unto humanity.  I don't care what your upbringing or situation is, the minute you decide violence is a good idea, my sympathy for you shrinks VERY rapidly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 12, 2011, 07:26:46 AM
Personaly I prefer to watch the Nighty News.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Houshalter on August 13, 2011, 01:36:22 PM
Hello, I'm new here. I made this video about a year ago, but I just realized I had it set to private the whole time. I never really finished it, it was supposed to be completely full of fail quotes, but I only put in a few. Some of them aren't actually that bad, but they seem to get progressively worse.[yt]sJqz7K5hXgE[/yt]
Oh, and make sure you have annotations on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 13, 2011, 04:05:44 PM
Quote from: Houshalter on August 13, 2011, 01:36:22 PM
Hello, I'm new here. I made this video about a year ago, but I just realized I had it set to private the whole time. I never really finished it, it was supposed to be completely full of fail quotes, but I only put in a few. Some of them aren't actually that bad, but they seem to get progressively worse.[yt]sJqz7K5hXgE[/yt]
Oh, and make sure you have annotations on.
Nice soundtrack. :)

Also, long time no see, Houshalter. :P  And welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Rockandrock44 on August 13, 2011, 10:41:07 PM
[yt]OsNXNk14w1w[/yt]

This whole video, but especially (at 4:10):

"Without government, there is no rule of law. This is a no-brainer. Anyone can thus do anything they like. They can steal off of you, kill you, and rape your family and no one short of a vigilante mob will be able to put a stop to it or retaliate for said actions, because in an anarchy there is no rule of law. Without government, who will build or maintain roads?..."

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 13, 2011, 10:59:36 PM
Quote from: Rockandrock44 on August 13, 2011, 10:41:07 PM
[yt]watch?v=OsNXNk14w1w[/yt]

Dude, you formatted that youtube video wrong.
You only put the part after the "="

It should be:

[yt]OsNXNk14w1w[/yt], which yields: 
[yt]OsNXNk14w1w[/yt]

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 14, 2011, 10:21:15 AM
I really need to get to doing that video on "Everything you fear about statelessness is already here"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 14, 2011, 10:42:22 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 14, 2011, 10:21:15 AM
I really need to get to doing that video on "Everything you fear about statelessness is already here"

I can tell already that'll be a fav quote!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 14, 2011, 12:34:26 PM
"You don't like taxes at all.  Which... means you don[']t like civilization!" --Vogter2100, source is 2:25 of this video:

[yt]95O6lxrm8SA[/yt]

Incidentally, check out blackacidlizzard's comments to see just how much he loves to play the semantics card.  Something, Shane and I are all too familiar with from said douche-bag.

And, from thunderf00t:  "To be frank, this [JBC's response video] did little more than alert me to the fact that there is a large slice of society--American society, that is: Libertarians/Ron Paul supporters--that seem to be unaware of the fact that were are a social species. "  Source is 1:50 of this video:

[yt]KBipkULRTQI[/yt]

And right after that, TF says:  "The benefits of social interactions can only be purchased with the limitations of the individual.", from the same video; also a fail quote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 14, 2011, 11:52:20 PM
Found these (source included) from Guncriminal's profile page:

"[The Fallacy of the Broken Window is] called a 'fallacy' because it does not align with Austrian assumptions."- Rationalwiki

"[Wealth is] GDP idiot." - AntiSchiff, 2011
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 15, 2011, 08:00:01 AM
You know what pisses me off? I and a lot of other skeptics did a lot of work into the Skeptic Wiki, and now skepticwiki.org redirects to Rational Wiki! And no one has given me an answer as to what the fuck happened! Where's all our pages with all our hard work gone? For example, the moon hoax page we had was comprehensive, well-sourced, and convincing to people; Rational Wiki's is idiotic and nothing but a cheering section that won't convince anyone who's not already a skeptic.

I fucking HATE that place...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 15, 2011, 12:18:16 PM
Posted the war on drugs report from yesterday's podcast on another forum. Got this response:

QuoteGambling is a far worst addiction than drugs, same result . I am in a country were gambling is legalize right now and i am reading people lose homes n matter of a few days just after bouncing back from debt. Gambling is far from a victimless crime .

I guarantee you legalizing prostitution , gambling and drugs all together will make things just as worst , giving to much credit to the education system as people/young people will know right from wrong.


Also you don't seem to realize that the drug war is slowly but surely spilling in our own home turf. The cartel is growing which is why they want to regulate it.

Also this won't take a billions of dollars to fight hell not even a whole battlegroup.

Mostly Black ops handle these quick in and out with no political restrictions and full force.

Now all of that ^^^^ is what it should be about and should do. However this is more to it than what this report says.

QuoteFirst of all , I do find this "I don't care what others do to themselves" mentality really sickening , sure its their lives and its the way they want to live it but who do you think take care of them when shiz hit the fan them? no their family , they then become a burden upon others and in some cases the government as criminals during jailtime and court fees. Its a dangerous cycle.
Unless your insinuating the family members and government just be eff these people ?

I may come from a militant family but i tell you this those guys who serve with me are my brothers , and if we take that type of attitude, we all would be dead. What affects one , affects us all its simple as that. if the U.S economy defaulted it would affected the rest of the world as well. Just like leaving and allowing a drug problem to grow it also becomes our problem.

When i hear stop giving foriegn aid and so forth , I know some small countries depends on foriegn investment for their economy and infastructure.

This is not a pro war mentality I am not pro war , I am in surport to get out the middleeast we can't win that war we are fighting a losing battle it's only wasting resources and lifes of American Soldiers .

However like in the other thread like i explain America is the biggest customer to the drug game , sure illegalization what fuels it but legalizing it will not stop it , as i said before captialism will make legalizing do nothing i mean companies would just seek to hire cartels for the cheaper production so it will only increase these cartel businesses , it won't stop the senseless killing they do either.

What needs to be done is guarding our borders with troops and eliminate all close threats.

for the record the trillions spent in these war are for it being prolong for so long. If we fought like the chinese who believe going in with overwhelming force and numbers it would not only be quick it chances are we could have won .

This guy gets worse and worse as he posts:
Quoteyou do realize it harder to grow other drugs than it is to run a brewery ?
You do know that by the time they set up a good production field it be more to maintain in the us than where they are naturally found?
That 1930's bullcrap logic doesn't fly here because it not ABC logic its factors between the two and fact is other drugs are way more cheaper to manufacture elsewhere than the U.S with the exception to maybe just maybe marijuana. If you can provide me how easy it would be producing all these drugs in the U.S and how much more profitable said companies will be if done so I will take back my opinion.
But as it is breweries are far easier run.

There are pros and cons to everything and just like the pros to legalization of drugs their are sever cons to it.
I am all in favor to legalize mary jane if i know it will be 100% american grown and manufactured in order for this to happen, coperations would need to invest money and government to implement strict regulation against hiring outside producers.

The drug game itself is violent from the day it was born, it won't change either now.Cartel rise in power and just like  the government , power corrupts. And in Mexico where government officials are in with the cartels legalizing there won't do much either.


btw U.S Military does not capture every cartel member or try avoid minimal casualties, Only people that will possible live to tell the tale is 1-3 top men who will face jail time.

So to sum it up I am in favor of what you said in legalizing drugs if we do it ourselves but knowing how this country operates it won't be done so.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 15, 2011, 07:36:56 PM
The following is the video that Fringeelements parodied; the one I just posted in Fav Quotes:  [yt]SwZl2Hyw-sk[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Houshalter on August 15, 2011, 09:11:53 PM
Apparently libertarians are all supposed to live in a cave somewhere and not use any technology, or else we are endorsing "socialism". Its so ridiculous, and yet I know this is what a lot of people seriously think.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 15, 2011, 11:15:11 PM
Saw this failure of a comment on facebook in regards to Whole Foods being so expensive:
QuoteEverybody is just trying to make a buck, if eating healthy was cheaper more people would do it which = less disease which = less money for drug companies. They want us to be sick and eat processed food. Fuck this country.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 16, 2011, 08:26:47 PM
Quotepeople seem to apply the 1st amendment very liberally given the context to when it was originally written. You may not like it but cell phone use is a service not a right. More importantly with freedom of speech comes acceptance of the consequences of that speech. You can say "i want to kill the president" but then you cant complain when your sent to jail.
More over since people cannot protest peacefully in the world anymore and their strapping bombs on men,women, and children that can be triggered by cell phone denying/restricting access to a SERVICE is not only lawful but prudent.

There are so many more important "rights" issues worth fighting for privelage use issues like denying cell phone access is is no FucKing big deal. As the article said the world still turned when we didnt have the damned things.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 18, 2011, 11:00:03 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 07, 2011, 06:39:55 AM
Related to the video that surhot just posted over in Fav Quotes by ProfMTH (God appointed Hitler?), I'd like to submit the first half of Romans 13 as a fail quote:

FINALLY found a response to how a libertarian can be a Christian in light of this passage, and yes, it's full of fail: http://libertarianchristians.com/2008/11/28/new-testament-theology-2/

Some real doozies:

"Paul's primary message for Christians, however, is not that states are specially instituted in the same way as the family and church, but rather that the state is not operating outside of the plans of God. In this sense, the state is divinely instituted in the same way that Satan is divinely instituted." Really? Why isn't God saying to obey Satan in all things then?

"Submission to civil government, then, is always qualified. The command is to obey in general, but sometimes we will disobey public policy because of personal and Scriptural conviction." In other words, obey when you want, don't when you don't feel like it. Come on! Isn't that what people are going to do anyway? If that's the message, then what's the point of even HAVING this passage?

"Verses 2-4 indicate that if you irritate the state then you will face wrath, but if you behave in the way the state wants then they will be pleased. At many points, what the state defines as good and evil may be very much opposed to what God defines as good and evil. But what Paul is telling the believers in Rome is that if they do something that the Roman government defines as evil then they will likely be punished for it." BULLSHIT! Verse 5 SPECIFICALLY says, "Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF CONSCIENCE." However, the author conveniently stops before verse 5, leaving it as the start of his next passage (despite it beginning with the word "therefore") and essentially skipping over it as a result.

Watch him worm around it: "The word 'conscience' in verse 5 should be interpreted in a similar manner as 1 Corinthians 10 (regarding food sacrificed to idols). The believers were concerned that the Roman state would find a legal reason to persecute them." DOUBLE BULLSHIT! Here's the verse again, with different emphasis: "Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE PUNISHMENT but also because of conscience." So, he's effectively re-written the verse to say, "Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of possible punishment."

He continues this motif: "Paul also says to submit to paying taxes for the same reason: avoiding state wrath in order to live for God. One despises paying taxes, but in order to abate the state's wrath one pays them." But again, we're not JUST talking about "avoiding state wrath"--conscience was SPECIFICALLY given as a reason OTHER THAN state wrath to submit to authority! Here we have someone who wants to deny what the Bible says, and is willing to warp the text any way he can to make it fit what he WANTS it to say, not what it REALLY says. That's both anti-rational AND anti-Christian! How often does THAT happen?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2011, 01:23:14 PM
Here was one fail comment that stood out among many fail comments on a recent Campaign for Liberty post about illegal immigration.

Quoteare you kidding me Ziya? Are you KIDDING ME!? There is no morality for coming here illegally. and to RECEIVE amnesty, you must ASK for it.!

Gah, and here is an argument I used to use when I actually thought illegal immigration was a major problem:
QuoteImagine Your President Says:
"From now on...when you are asleep..its NOT illegal for strangers to enter your home to eat your food, drink your water, use your bathrooms etc...Its not. Its not harming anyone for them to do this...so its not ...illegal...and if you disagree, I will make sure that the media companies that kiss my ass portray you to be a selfish crazy person for wanting your home to be safe and secure..."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 19, 2011, 02:33:39 PM
Quote from: D on August 19, 2011, 01:23:14 PMGah, and here is an argument I used to use when I actually thought illegal immigration was a major problem:

So, the idea is, the government owns the entire country and everything--and everyONE--in it?

Maybe the quote should be this: "From now on...when you are asleep..its NOT illegal for the government to enter your home to take your guests, or even your family, just because they weren't born here and didn't fill out the right paperwork...Its not. Its not harming anyone for them to do this...so its not ...illegal...and if you disagree, I will make sure that the media companies that kiss my ass portray you to be a selfish crazy person for wanting your home to be safe and secure..."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2011, 02:39:25 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 19, 2011, 02:33:39 PM
So, the idea is, the government owns the entire country and everything--and everyONE--in it?

Maybe the quote should be this: "From now on...when you are asleep..its NOT illegal for the government to enter your home to take your guests, or even your family, just because they weren't born here and didn't fill out the right paperwork...Its not. Its not harming anyone for them to do this...so its not ...illegal...and if you disagree, I will make sure that the media companies that kiss my ass portray you to be a selfish crazy person for wanting your home to be safe and secure..."

Believe it or not, I actually found one that was worse...

QuoteI would like to see Obama do what Roosevelt, Truman, and Eisenhower did. Each of those presidents deported many thousands of immigrants, legal and otherwise, in order to provide jobs, especially for returning veterans. Those actions, however, were taken by LEADERS, and we certainly have no reason to think that Obama is one!

Oh this doesn't sound racist at all...
QuoteBefore Johnson was president, most manual labor type jobs from custodial, ditch digging, roofing, etc were done by mostly uneducated people, black and white. Since Johnson became president and the Chavez revolt in California most of the jo...bs you will see in fast food restaurant and other manual labor jobs have been taken over by latinos. The blacks and others are now on the public dole in the form of welfare, foodstamps, housing, medical, etc and have been enlaved by the Democrats. Those on the public dole have become the voting base for the Democrats, it the illegal are deported then the jobs held by illegals could then be taken by those on welfare. As long as the status quo is unchanged, the Democrats will do everything possible to stop others from effecting any change.

What....the fuck?!
Quotethere is a large immigration problem. It's not that we have lazy americans, the problem is that many of them would rather be on the public dole than to get a job. Also, employers prefer to hire cheap labor. The government will no...t do much to resolve illegal immigraton because it affects its voting base and they dont want to called racist. Here is the solution - deport illegals, force the people on welfare to take those jobs, this reduces the amount of entitements in this country, this lowers the budget, this lowers the deficit. As for myself, I am unemployed because my employer decided to Outsource to India. So in you above post, I guesss those who have been raped, molested and murdered are not victim due to illegals who have perpertrated those crimes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2011, 04:14:26 PM
Read this on 420chan's politics board.

Yeah, save your comments on that and focus on this gem of failure.

QuoteI am an anarchist because I believe capitalism is irresponsible in it's consumption of resources. It consumes resources and then uses those resources to develop institutions and establishments of consumption. It allows for accelerated progress in technology at times, but in the wrong directions. Anarchism allows for maximum freedom with minimum exploitation of humans and their environment, not to mention the abolition of the egoism and envy present in capitalist socieites. Anarchism is based on altruism and egalitarianism, and this is why i choose it over capitalism every time.

Back to the illegal immigration debate, I made the comment that I believe government should only be there to stop violence and coercion, and I got this insanely idiotic remark.
QuoteDave, but in protecting the people from violence and coecion, that could be contruded as interfereing in another persons personal life. If a person, in his own personal life, thrives to go about and commit voloence on other people, the govenment should not interfere.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 19, 2011, 05:50:55 PM
Quote from: D on August 19, 2011, 04:14:26 PMYeah, save your comments on that and focus on this gem of failure.

I smell a Venus Project nutbar!

QuoteBack to the illegal immigration debate, I made the comment that I believe government should only be there to stop violence and coercion, and I got this insanely idiotic remark.

That's an oldie. LOTS of morons resort to that one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2011, 06:25:17 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 19, 2011, 05:50:55 PM
I smell a Venus Project nutbar!

Sounds about right:

QuoteThe only thing I realize is that that is a pretty common argument, but it's bullshit. As you defined it, capitalism dictates that industry and trade should be owned privately. Maybe i should have made it clear that I exist somewhere on the left side of anarchism, considering it is an extremely broad area of political thought as of late (it's basis is in the left, and it's founding fathers were vehemently opposed to capitalism). The only form of anarchism that requires capitalism is anarcho-capitalism ( I shouldn't have to explain that). My concept of anarchism dictates that the means of production (your industry and trade) are owned collectively by the community, this is the only way to prevent exploitation. The motto of anarchism is "no gods, no masters" and that necessarily means that in an anarchic society there can be NO bosses, NO managers, NO executives besides the common people themselves. The claim that anarchism requires capitalism is common, but often, if not always, without basis in anarchic theory.
Quotekeyword "profit". implies production for exchange. social anarchism emphasises production for use. also, creating a binary between individual ownership and state ownership is plain wrong: prior to the state, ownership was communal

Translation: HUURRR DURRRRR

Here (http://boards.420chan.org/pol/res/202396.php#202727) is the thread in particular if you feel like taking a look at some of these for yourself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 19, 2011, 06:50:37 PM
Anarchism has founding fathers? How does THAT work?

"My concept of anarchism dictates that the means of production (your industry and trade) are owned collectively by the community, this is the only way to prevent exploitation."

Sorry, no: that IS exploitation! Exploitation is anything that does not allow you to keep the fruits of your own labor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2011, 07:03:30 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 19, 2011, 06:50:37 PM
Anarchism has founding fathers? How does THAT work?

"My concept of anarchism dictates that the means of production (your industry and trade) are owned collectively by the community, this is the only way to prevent exploitation."

Sorry, no: that IS exploitation! Exploitation is anything that does not allow you to keep the fruits of your own labor.

This guy is off his rocker.

QuoteOccupation placement would be based on enjoyment. Those who enjoy farming would farm, and in producing more food than they themselves need, they would distribute the abundance of food through public storehouses. If no one enjoys farming, than the farming labour is distributed evenly amongst the public, or if technology allows it, performed by automated machinery. What people like you will never understand is that this farmer is producing food for himself and the community because he wants to keep his community alive. Not because he wants to turn a profit, not because he wants to hoard food, but because he has altruistic beliefs, which is the basis of said society.

Nope not at all. If you labour towards the creation of a product, that product is rightfully yours. But in the case of basic resources like food,water, and medicine, to produce an abundance of resources and not distribute that which you do not consume yourself to those who need them in your community would be horrifyingly selfish and inhumane.

I don't. You cannot force someone to live in an anarchic society, it's basis is voluntary cooperation and anarchists (myself included) oppose all forms of authority and coercion. An anarchic revolution would simply be communities with altruistic beliefs beginning to live in the way they want to. As more and more anarchic communities arise, they bind themselves together through federation. Anarchism CANNOT be forced. This is why it will not become viable until people advance intellectually to adopt altruistic and egalitarian beliefs.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 19, 2011, 08:17:46 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 19, 2011, 06:50:37 PM
Anarchism has founding fathers? How does THAT work?

"My concept of anarchism dictates that the means of production (your industry and trade) are owned collectively by the community, this is the only way to prevent exploitation."

Sorry, no: that IS exploitation! Exploitation is anything that does not allow you to keep the fruits of your own labor.

Yeah, that's "anarcho" communists for you...I still have no clue how they plan on such a system without a massive state.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 19, 2011, 08:20:23 PM
For the computer geeks of this forum, this one's for you:  http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/jguhj/whats_the_most_enraging_thing_a_computer/
The full title is:  "What's the most enraging thing a computer illiterate person has said to you when you were just trying to help?"

A sample:  "From my mother:

[']IT'S NOT TURNING ON NOW BECAUSE YOU DOWNLOADED WHATEVER THAT FIREFOX THING IS.[']" -- from the first poster.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2011, 08:50:59 PM
QuoteAtheists do Believe in something. They Believe Jesus isn't real. Government is not all powerful. If the people disagree with the government then they can overthrow it for a better one. The government's power comes from the People.

/head desk
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 19, 2011, 09:04:56 PM
"It just means we're tough on crime!" -- my dad's response to the USA having more people in the penal system per capita than any other country including China.
Because evidently a murder solve rate of around 12% is being "tough on crime"...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 19, 2011, 09:14:19 PM
QuoteAtheists do Believe in something. They Believe Jesus isn't real. Government is not all powerful. If the people disagree with the government then they can overthrow it for a better one. The government's power comes from the People.

Is that why near everyone in my province is outraged about the HST tax hike and our past and present premiers both have fought us every step of the way and can just override us even if we do jump through every hoop?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 21, 2011, 09:27:48 AM
Quote"Rick Perry seems to be the only candidate who truly is the anti-Obama."
From ABC's This Week.


Yeah, and we're all creationists and moon hoaxers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 21, 2011, 01:59:52 PM
A decent video, but loaded with stupid comments. Some of them are the typical mantras we've heard before.

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QuoteLong term use of marijuana has potential risks of causing various mental disorders. Yeah we should stop funding programs to combat drugs cos people still end up taking them. People still commit crimes and fires still happen so let's fire all the police officiers and firefighters too in order to save a buck.

Quote1. if drugs where made legal then eveyone one is gonna take it.

2.the govermet make alot of money Cigarettes

QuoteProblems in the world such as these will never be solved. As long as people continue to spend billions of dollars on absolutely ridiculous things in this country such as sports teams, television shows, movies, and of course the oh-so-familiar "necessities" such as breast implants, botox injections, etc. We will always have the pathetic morons who will continue to protest for the legalization of a bull-shit drug that has no reason to exist, other than to help scum-bags hide from their problems.

QuoteYeah the drugs only hurt them. WRONG. What about people getting behind the wheel high and killing innocent people? People do stupid things when they are high meaning that they put others at risk even if the drug itself is only harming the taker. Not to mention victims of the illegal drug trade.

QuoteSo I guess we should just let everyone do what ever they want. Yeah keep thinking that.

QuoteMarijuana may be harmless, but there;s the chance that someone high can do stupid things (like get behind the wheel ) and hurt someone. I agree, they should go to rehab, instead of prison because it crams the jails.

The video kind of has a fail moment where the guy advocates forced rehab. While that would be better than prison, it still wouldn't solve the problem of people using drugs, and not only that but it advocates the idea that government has any business telling us what is bad and what is good.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 22, 2011, 07:07:44 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on December 11, 2009, 02:02:05 PM
"Subliminal advertising works; it's why the government outlawed it." --Psy, prof, again, providing no sources

I love that.  It demonstrates that he's NEVER researched the basis of subliminal advertising.  The ONLY claimed support for the idea was the "popcorn Study" which claimed that a single frame inserted into a movie that said "Eat popcorn and drink Coca-Cola" substantially increase sales of those items when it was shown.  No other study shows subliminal ads working.

Here's the problem:  There was no such study.  It was invented BY AN AD COMPANY, they were trying to sell the idea of subliminal ads to clients.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 22, 2011, 08:52:38 AM
QuotePeople who are treading on Ron Paul have not learned history well enough. With Ron, there are only two scenarios.

Scenario 1 - Ron Paul is not part of NWO.

The super-powerful globalist will not allow Ron to get to power. I would wonder why they would even let him survive till now.

Scenario 2 - Ron Paul is part of NWO.

There will be lot of deception to make you believe that NWO is losing and make you tread on Ron!

This was a comment on that guy's video about the War on Drugs. I didn't realize Ron Paul signed a contract for the defunct WCW.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 22, 2011, 08:26:02 PM
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And of course he just commented on my channel calling me "Shane's alt channel".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 22, 2011, 08:44:14 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 22, 2011, 08:26:02 PM
And of course he just commented on my channel calling me "Shane's alt channel".

You ought to just end that bullshit if you have a microphone by posting a video claiming you aren't his alternate account...then again you probably would have been making videos anyway so who knows.

As I was going through my subscriptions, I remember being subscribed to a youtube ranter by the name of BigAl2k6, so I checked through his archive of videos since he doesn't post new ones anymore and I stumbled upon this bit of stupid from back when Obama won that Nobel Joke...er I mean Peace prize.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 23, 2011, 10:51:52 AM
"Some readers have asked for cites in which I warned early on that the Obama stimulus was too small and would end up being seen as a failure...[citations excised]...I really wish I hadn’t been right." --Paul Krugman

Yeah, and you got sicker because we didn't use enough leeches!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 23, 2011, 03:02:03 PM
QuoteYou don't classify Iraq war/Afghan as Obama war its Bush war and always will be a Bush war regardless who took over.

You don't leave dirty dishes for the person taking over your room your subletting and call it his dirty dishes.

The problem with both is there should be a law against where politicians dictate tactics of a military in a war and should be a law where congress and the current administration can use the military as their personal enforces.

You don't land ground troops for an invasion and use light humane tactics its either you go in with full force and get the job done or you don't.

As cruel as it sound but the truth is back in WWII when we drop the Abomb over Japan , we were fed up and we said enough is enough this war ends now and we dropped it. That not only scared the bejesus out the japs but they yeilded.

Carpet bomb a city full of Taleban militia , pull out leaving them with a message that if they attack U.S soil it will be 100 folds worst.

It won't stop terrorism , it might even encourage it more(going to war as it does the same) but it send a clear cut throat message that we will not eff around.

the reason most soilders lose their lives because they know we fight under restraints and they don't

Where do I even begin?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 23, 2011, 10:25:26 PM
Every single comment by C0ct0pusPrime on this video:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 25, 2011, 08:36:41 PM
This was a comment by a guy on American Atheists Inc. post on National Atheist Party.

QuoteI think thats what libertarians want. Some other intelligent people might point out the fact that socialist countries like Canada,Sweden, and France have been out performing us for the last 25 years and that a flat tax rate isn't gonna build the infrastructure needed to compete with those countries. Other intelligent people would also point out that under the greatest period of America's economy 40's,50's,60's the tax rate was a lot higher and we were more prosperous..some still might argue that was because we invested in a 20th century infrastructure build the highways,hoover dame, universities. Im not saying we go back 40 years ago or we become socialist but Clinton did have a surplus. Do you also want to go back to the gold standard?

Failure. Pure failure.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 25, 2011, 10:13:19 PM
Yeah. What's the unemployment rate in France again?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 25, 2011, 10:22:10 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 25, 2011, 10:13:19 PM
Yeah. What's the unemployment rate in France again?

Yeah, I posted a response to him asking exactly what they were better at. The guy supports Clinton style tax increases and all that shit. Typical bullshit really.

Also, how come my thread says it is pending approval?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 26, 2011, 01:49:57 AM
For the record, Canada was doing badly economically and improved when they actually managed to drag the politicians, kicking and screaming all the way, to actually cut spending.

In areas where things are socialized, it remains deteriorating.  There's a shortage of doctors and the looming retirement of the baby boomers is going to make that worse, far worse.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 26, 2011, 07:34:09 AM
Same guy as before.

QuoteThe problem is the issues are so much deeper. We have to have a HOLISTIC approach to things. The cognitive change that needs to happen isn't going to happen tell we have a environmental change. People will listen better to the the argument ...of a atheist when there not worried about stress of there socioeconomic position. Case in point Sweden wish has the largest non-deist population in the world. Now one could argue that the ENVIRONMENT that Sweden has created( a social democracy created by high taxes) also created a cognitive shift because people were living better lifes with full health care and better rights in the work force etc etc etc..... Thats why its better to fight behind concepts like a free energy infrastructure so we stop buying oil from the middle east, vertical farming which allows you to grow food in skyscrapers hydroponically which brings the food back locally to urban areas and cuts down on pesticides because its all grown in doors, we need a Maglev train all across the world which would allow you to go from NY to LA faster than a plane, etc etc etc... You say you want to change this country but all I hear from your kind is glittering generalities. These are all plans Obama has been pushing and what was in the debt deal he laid our but the Yeha! crowd in Congress didn't want it and passed a smaller bill and that's why we got downgraded. Note Frances didn't get downgraded even though they have a high debt per GDP but they have a high tax rate which project them to pay the debts at the end the day we need to go big or go home because China and whole lot of other counties are willing to step to the plate. And the fact is the new emerging technologies will pay for themselves once we build it. Just like roads, power plants, and colleges did for FDR
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 26, 2011, 10:39:36 AM
I replied to that dunce and he had this to say in response:

QuoteThe key point in your standard and poor's quote is "higher general government debt trajectory..". Which is the reason why France's rating didn't go down even though they have worst numbers than us. That reason being because the have a more ...fair and balanced approach to there tax rate(which is extremely higher than ours). Im mean look at the difference between rich people here and in France (http://www.economywatch.com/in-the-news/French-Billionaires-Call-For-Higher-Taxes.24-08.htm). Look, people like you will never understand how the economy works because what you don't understand is that it runs on pure abstractions not hard numbers. If we found out that in five years we would be invaded by aliens you would see the greatest build up of infrastructure ever. All our economic worries would be over and we would retool in months. As to health care you are in complete denial if you are saying that the national health care programs aren't better than what we have now. Look at Massachusetts and ever other developed nation in the world. Plain and simple these small minded small government types are not the way to go. I'll take FDR,JFK,Clinton, and OBama over any person you put up.

Quote
fact: France has had the best health care system period.
fact: increasing the power of the government can solve problems. this debt was had out unde Abe Lincoln who was wrong for the right reasons while people in the south were right for the wrong reasons. We clearly see what side of the debt you would've been on back then. And if the problem with social health care is long lines that your just being a little...southern about this

What...the fuck?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 26, 2011, 01:35:24 PM
"So you want to restrict a teacher's God-given right to join a union? Public schools outperform Charter Schools. Unionized teachers outperform ununionized teachers. Look it up, buddy. Pathetic, uninformed, not humorous, video." -- Chrisrokk239, in the comments of this video:  http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=5kxc6kzH-uI
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 26, 2011, 06:46:07 PM
Quote from: D on August 25, 2011, 10:22:10 PMAlso, how come my thread says it is pending approval?

Seconded.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 26, 2011, 06:54:29 PM
There's a bug where some posts at random are being sent for mod approval. The annoying thing is, there's also a bug where they don't actually get approved when I click "Approve." Took me until today to figure out how to go into the database and change it manually.

PM me if you post something that needs approval.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 26, 2011, 11:10:35 PM
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2nk18o1.jpg)

I'll quote what I said to Wraith when he showed me this.

Wraithkun 8:04 pm
(8:04:01 PM):     http://i51.tinypic.com/2nk18o1.jpg
(8:04:04 PM):     Who made this up?
Lord T Hawkeye 8:04 pm
(8:04:33 PM):     an idiot
(8:04:53 PM):     Let's see...All drugs legalized?  Good thing.  You can't treat it as a medical problem by throwing people in jail
(8:05:31 PM):     Second part, taken out of context.  Paul isn't personally a fan of gay marriage but says he'd like to see government out of the whole marriage thing altogether which would make the matter moot
Lord T Hawkeye 8:06 pm
(8:06:20 PM):     not bombing the shit out of anyone who looks at your country funny =/= isolationist.  You're an idiot
(8:06:45 PM):     Failed gold standard?  Then why did Nixon have to forcibly take you off it?
(8:07:23 PM):     Supporting climate change legislation?  Government being a fighter for the environment is the biggest crock I've ever heard
(8:07:44 PM):     last one is just completely pulled out of his ass.  I need a citation for that
Wraithkun 8:08 pm
(8:08:28 PM):     Yup.
(8:08:35 PM):     How has obama saved any money?
(8:08:44 PM):     We're still collapsing, and this guy claims he's saved us?
Lord T Hawkeye 8:08 pm
(8:08:46 PM):     By saving it for himself
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 27, 2011, 10:25:24 AM
This psychotic rambling. (http://www.prisonplanet.com/haarp-hurricane-irene-and-the-dc-earthquake-%E2%80%A6connected.html)

The final paragraph really says all you really need to read:
QuoteIn a nutshell, this is the nucleus of the expertise required to control the weather. By pouring measured energy that has been focused into certain parts of the ionosphere, scientists can create all kinds of storms, such as hurricanes, thunderstorms, floods, tornadoes and even drought.  China, Malayasia and Russia all openly admit to weather modification operations, including the creation of pinpoint hurricanes.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 28, 2011, 11:09:50 AM
Everything said by Laughingblades in the comments here: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=uxKjuV_mneg
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 28, 2011, 11:30:34 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 28, 2011, 11:09:50 AM
Everything said by Laughingblades in the comments here: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=uxKjuV_mneg

Yeesh, that was atrocious.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 28, 2011, 12:50:40 PM
Market Darwinists? The hell.......
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 28, 2011, 01:27:07 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on August 28, 2011, 12:50:40 PM
Market Darwinists? The hell.......

I know, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 28, 2011, 05:44:44 PM
He's now pretending he doesn't understand how to cut and paste links (replacing "DOT" with ".") and insisting I haven't given my sources. He's also using "autistic" as if it's an insult, revealing himself to be a disgusting bigot as well.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 29, 2011, 02:12:59 PM
This was a question someone submitted to Yahoo Answer (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101117095507AARFQZd)s.

QuoteExploitation of the working class is how the rich get rich. Capitalism is a system by which those who do virtually no work (the super-rich) live very well by expropriating the wealth created by those who do all of the work (labor) into their own coffers. Class warfare is their motto and their representatives in public office spend the overwhelming majority of their time implementing all aspects of that war. The rich use the power generated by their wealth to pursue policies that rape the earth and the working class. These aspects are all laid out, not just by Marx and Trotsky in more extensive studies, but also by the great Albert Einstein in his essay "Why Socialism" which is avialable to read on the Internet.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 30, 2011, 06:56:22 AM
My uncle responding to this article (http://www.downsizedcfoundation.org/blog/how-warren-buffett-is-wrong).
QuoteThese guys need to do more math to also determine what the gap is between these people and the working people did the math for. They do not get that if this continues to happen they will become so low down on the economic ladder that being libertarian will equate to poverty.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 30, 2011, 08:31:13 AM
Why do people think that someone else being richer automatically makes them poorer? I really don't understand this mindset.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 30, 2011, 11:21:28 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 30, 2011, 08:31:13 AM
Why do people think that someone else being richer automatically makes them poorer? I really don't understand this mindset.

Because they don't like people who have more stuff than them and are willing to come up with anything, even the most insanely ass backwards illogical nonsense, to justify taking from them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Houshalter on August 30, 2011, 04:27:24 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 30, 2011, 08:31:13 AM
Why do people think that someone else being richer automatically makes them poorer? I really don't understand this mindset.

Here (http://lesswrong.com/lw/2gd/fight_zerosum_bias/) is a good article I found awhile ago about that fallacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 31, 2011, 08:20:50 AM
Just happened to see this on my profile:

"I noticed that you posted a flood of response comments to older comments late in the conversation, creating a false chronology. Well done. At first I thought maybe you were simply an idiot, but such a deceptive trick as posting a flood of responses to old comments then calling someone a liar for not seeing them requires a manipulative and cunning mind." --Laughingblades

NONE of the posts of his that I responded to were more than 10 hours old. So, apparently, if you do something radical like GO TO BED, then when you get up in the morning you don't get to respond to the many posts of absolute crap your critic has posted over the night.

In fact, I just looked at his home page and found this:

"shanedk
Posts a flood of responses to older comments to create a false chronology, then calls people liars when in fact he's the liar. Also shows a seeming inability to interpret scientific data, and appears to be autistic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTjDLS8kf0A"

The video he linked to is the highlights video for the 8/29 podcast, which is only 2 days old as I write this, and only 1 day old when he posted that comment to my profile!

(Plus, the autistic comment reveals him to be an outright bigot. It's shameful that such people live in our society.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 31, 2011, 05:43:01 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 28, 2011, 11:09:50 AM
Everything said by Laughingblades in the comments here: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=uxKjuV_mneg

You think Laughingblades is bad? Check out TheFrankFactor's comments. Talk about a train wreck.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 01, 2011, 04:14:58 PM
How about, everyone in the comments of my latest video ("Creationists and Population Growth II") who don't realize that the model was SUPPOSED to fail?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 03, 2011, 08:43:39 AM
The comments in this video:
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I would copy and paste them here, but I believe this board has too much dignity. Read them for yourselves.

This (http://aol.sportingnews.com/sport/story/2011-09-03/charges-filed-in-attack-on-florida-youth-football-referee) is where I read up on this story. The comments on that page aren't much better.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 03, 2011, 02:31:20 PM
Not sure where else to put this, so I figured I'd put it here:  http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-bizarre-outbursts-by-celebrities-you-thought-were-sane/
Note #4:  Bill Maher.  I guess John Cheese isn't aware of him being an anti-vaxxer and AIDS denialist.  And don't even get me started on the guy's politics...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 03, 2011, 03:07:07 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 03, 2011, 02:31:20 PM
Not sure where else to put this, so I figured I'd put it here:  http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-bizarre-outbursts-by-celebrities-you-thought-were-sane/
Note #4:  Bill Maher.  I guess John Cheese isn't aware of him being an anti-vaxxer and AIDS denialist.  And don't even get me started on the guy's politics...

I knew he was an anti-vaxxer and an all around asshole, but I never heard his AIDS denial. Got anything on that? Just more ammunition for me as far as I see it.

I will say this though about the Bill Maher part of that article, I think Cheese is completely denying a double standard here. While it isn't as bad as Maher says it is, we've seen that a double standard does exist. Just look at the incident with that guy getting his penis chopped off. Those women from that television show The Talk thought it was hilarious and a "you go girl" moment. Where were they in this count down? Of all the shit Bill Maher does, this is probably the least egregious.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 03, 2011, 03:29:55 PM
Quote from: D on September 03, 2011, 03:07:07 PM
I knew he was an anti-vaxxer and an all around asshole, but I never heard his AIDS denial. Got anything on that? Just more ammunition for me as far as I see it.

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I might have been wrong.  It may have been Germ Theory Denialism.  In which case, my bad.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 03, 2011, 03:32:50 PM
Of course, if you're a germ theory denialist, doesn't that kind of automatically make you an AIDS denialist?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 03, 2011, 04:54:56 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 03, 2011, 03:32:50 PM
Of course, if you're a germ theory denialist, doesn't that kind of automatically make you an AIDS denialist?

Point taken.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: kiri2tsubasa on September 03, 2011, 07:27:41 PM
Assuming I'm remembering it right (that and I am enjoying Domino's Pizza have imbibed on a few glasses from a 64oz growler from OPAOPA Brewery (if you live in western Mass I highly recommend them), this is at home so no worry of me driving) I was having a conversation with my friend earlier today about the free DLC (Downloadable Content) for Warhammer 40,000 Space Marine Co-op.  He was complaining about how this was DLC when the interview stated that there would be Co-op.  It went something like this.  For this I will call him Titus.

Kiri2tsubasa:  Space Marine comes out in a few days, glad I paid off for all three games* I have pre-ordered for the Midnight release on Monday night.

Titus:  They removed the Co-op from Space Marine and now it is DLC.  If I could have I would have canceled my pre-order.  Shame Steam saved it.

Kiri: I am aware of that, but it is free.

Titus:  It is the principle of the things.

Kiri:  Let's just say for the sake of argument that some problem occurred with the development for the co-op.  At least they can bring the game out on its appointed release date instead of delaying it for a month.  With the digital distributions set up we have with this generation of consoles, and by extension PC's (he pre-ordered this for the PC, me 360 and PS3**) they can give us the game we pre-order and give us the co-op experience for FREE in early October.

Titus:  I don't care, they are nickel and dimming us.

Kiri:  It will be provided for free for us.  If anything they are paying the cost for the XBLA, PSN, and Steam network to provide us with free content.

At this point he pretty much left.  Not sure if it counts but he was so frigging adamant about Relic doing something wrong here.  I don't know maybe I am too much of a Warhammer 40,000 fan and missed what they did wrong.

* Space Marine, Disgaea 4, Dead Island.
**  What happened was that I originally pre-ordered this fr the 360, then after lurking on various gaming forums I learned that their is a collectors edition form the THQ website so I pre-ordered the collectors edition from THQ, I then changed my pre-order at GameStop over from 360 to PS3.  I pre-ordered Space Marine from Steam and got Darksiders as a gift.  Good game, though I prefer it on my 360.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 03, 2011, 10:49:17 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 03, 2011, 03:32:50 PMOf course, if you're a germ theory denialist, doesn't that kind of automatically make you an AIDS denialist?

I thought that might be the case, but I didn't want to jump the gun.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 03, 2011, 11:33:50 PM
(http://d.facdn.net/art/karno/1315076655.karno_thebigtable.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 04, 2011, 07:24:08 AM
I wonder what that guy thinks of all the money that's snatched up in taxes?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 04, 2011, 08:31:25 AM
I...this...I guess that means I'm a sex offender then.
Thanks Tom Nook.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 04, 2011, 08:39:57 AM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on September 04, 2011, 08:31:25 AM
I...this...I guess that means I'm a sex offender then.
Thanks Tom Nook.
[yt]5xAK-X0RA5o[/yt]

Wow....just...wow.

As someone who owns a PS3 and has played games online, I find that younger kids who play end up saying more offensive things than any adults I've ever played with.

Speaking of video game related nonsense, fringeelements uploaded this on his alternate channel NotRyanFaulk. Now, this could all be a video that's meant to be humorous, but in case, I'm tossing this here for trying to ruin an amazing game for me....
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 04, 2011, 08:44:11 AM
fringeelements and humor? Now there a combination of words I'd never thought to see in that context.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 04, 2011, 08:49:30 AM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on September 04, 2011, 08:44:11 AM
fringeelements and humor? Now there a combination of words I'd never thought to see in that context.

I know...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 04, 2011, 10:33:52 AM
Every single comment on this video: [yt]djYq1fr9fKI[/yt] by xexixk and MaryJo1950 without exception.  I won't insult anyone's intelligence by posting the actual comments here.  Click on the video, and get ready to vomit at the sheer stupidity of these neo-fascist dickheads.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 04, 2011, 01:59:57 PM
Source (http://atheists.org/blog/2011/09/04/millions-of-taxpayer-dollars-used-to-convert-soldiers-and-their-children-to-christianity)

QuoteIn a time when national debt is relatively common discussion, it seems that unconstitutional spending of hundreds of millions of dollars would be a natural choice for the chopping block. Instead, my educational opportunities (eArmyU), yearly salary increase for inflation (lowest in 50 years), retirement benefits (pensions for 20+ year veterans are now considered 'on the table' to be cut), are already in place or soon to be.

You know, I'm getting really sick of these hypocrites. They have a fit when there is unconstitutional spending on religion, but when there is unconstitutional spending on government programs and handouts they are all for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 05, 2011, 02:09:23 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 05, 2011, 06:39:38 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on September 05, 2011, 02:09:23 PM[yt]Mjj5_f4m8Ik[/yt]

Yeah...I could only stomach about 5 minutes of that crap.

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I haven't watched this one, nor do I expect anyone here to sit through an hour long video, but just from the title alone, you know it can't be a win.

For starters, murder, by definition, is an immoral or wrong killing.  So the title is a fail already.  Finally, even if he was referring to say self defense, as Shane eloquently spelled out in this video:  [yt]8LW1kbFsDC4[/yt]  It wouldn't be "OK" much less "moral" as it was a necessity.
And let's not even get into the fact that being taught "criminal justice" by a state funded institution and dynasty that is piss horrible and even by title doesn't even consider the damn victim at all, is completely laughable.  Like being taught biology by Kent Hovind.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 05, 2011, 06:44:58 PM
I'd also like to point out that I'm not giving Harvard the benefit of the doubt, given their less than stellar record on statism.  Case in point:  http://mises.org/daily/3379
I even once read (can't remember from where) that Harvard prohibited students from sharing their course notes with people outside the university on IP grounds.  Take a moment to absorb that.  Meanwhile, the folks at MIT were having their classes lectures (and even sample tests) online on their website for free before it even became a thing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 05, 2011, 07:27:08 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 05, 2011, 06:39:38 PM
Yeah...I could only stomach about 5 minutes of that crap.

Same here.

QuoteI haven't watched this one, nor do I expect anyone here to sit through an hour long video, but just from the title alone, you know it can't be a win.

I skimmed through the first 15 minutes, and it was all the 5 guys on the train tracks thing. I have no idea where he was going with it because I'd rather listen to the London Trash Can Lid Ensemble playing the Atonata for Squealing Cats in R Flat Minor than listen to that guy lecture anymore...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 05, 2011, 10:02:46 PM
From Bill Maher's Twitter

"Worth remembering on Labor Day Americans get fewer vacation days than anyone else in the world -cuz its better 2b miserable than socialists!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 05, 2011, 11:19:38 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on September 05, 2011, 10:02:46 PM
From Bill Maher's Twitter

"Worth remembering on Labor Day Americans get fewer vacation days than anyone else in the world -cuz its better 2b miserable than socialists!"

isn't he just a right genius? ::)

ugh....


anyways: check this one out:

[yt]oJfBSc6e7QQ[/yt] (finally got it!)

I could go on for years explaining how wrong this video is. I in fact am considering nominating him for a possible "idiot extraordinaire" candidacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 06, 2011, 06:45:08 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 05, 2011, 11:19:38 PM
anyways: check this one out:

[yt]oJfBSc6e7QQ[/yt] (finally got it!)

I could go on for years explaining how wrong this video is. I in fact am considering nominating him for a possible "idiot extraordinaire" candidacy.

Wow, his comments are complete fail, too!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 06, 2011, 11:38:47 AM
Professional wrestler Ezekiel Jackson has been posting nonsense on Twitter this morning.

QuoteGod only gives three answers to prayer: 1. 'Yes!' 2. 'Not yet.' 3. 'I have something better in mind.
QuoteBecoming a Christian doesn't mean you lost your cool. It means you lost your foolishness.

He should stick to wrestling....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 06, 2011, 12:50:44 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on September 05, 2011, 10:02:46 PM
From Bill Maher's Twitter

"Worth remembering on Labor Day Americans get fewer vacation days than anyone else in the world -cuz its better 2b miserable than socialists!"

Funny, those guys in the bread line never look all that happy to me...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 06, 2011, 01:54:29 PM
Quote from: D on September 06, 2011, 11:38:47 AM
He should stick to wrestling....

all the choke holds must be getting to him, if he's flat out evangelizing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 06, 2011, 02:03:16 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 06, 2011, 01:54:29 PM
all the choke holds must be getting to him, if he's flat out evangelizing.

(http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/e/ezekieljackson/08.jpg)

Either that or all them muscles are clogging up the space where his brain is supposed to be.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 06, 2011, 03:02:45 PM
Maybe the fail should go to you guys for taking anything a pro wrestler says seriously to begin with...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 06, 2011, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 06, 2011, 03:02:45 PM
Maybe the fail should go to you guys for taking anything a pro wrestler says seriously to begin with...

Really? I figured fail quotes are fail quotes regardless of who says them or what profession they have. I didn't realize there was some sort of criteria in regards to what profession they have. That would be like me saying that nearly everyone on this forum should consider fail going to them because they talk about youtube comments. I'm not trying to instigate anything, but I think it is rather silly to claim that we are "failing" because we're talking about a legitimate fail quote made by someone just because of their profession.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 06, 2011, 04:04:56 PM
OK, good point. But it does seem a bit like going to the special class to find dumb opinions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 06, 2011, 04:16:41 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 06, 2011, 04:04:56 PM
OK, good point. But it does seem a bit like going to the special class to find dumb opinions.

Fair enough I suppose.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 06, 2011, 05:49:32 PM
[yt]UxPoURzProE[/yt]

I like Ron and everything, but this campaign ad is terrible.

His add is basically, "Look at me, I hung out with Ronald Regan, oh and Rick Perry was buddies with Al Gore so he's a meanie head"

It also gives the same failed impression Republicans usually give that Regan was this pinnacle of libertarian views when we know that his presidency was anything but. All around, very sloppy, but I suppose it serves the purpose of getting votes, I still think it is a failure if we're going with sheer legitimacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 06, 2011, 05:59:43 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 06, 2011, 03:02:45 PM
Maybe the fail should go to you guys for taking anything a pro wrestler says seriously to begin with...

I don't. doesn't mean I can't take potshots at him. :shrug:

it's not like he has any "excuse" for evangelizing, like Kirk Cameron does. it's annoying when I get all these self-righteous family members (Christian or otherwise) of mine-don't need some random guy doing it.

@ D: just saw that a few minutes ago. I'm pretty annoyed at it too. not so much the Reagan association (annoying as it is), but the attack ad within-at least it feels that way. I dunno, Mr. Perry's a dumb- :-X and a murderer, but just reviewing his positions should be sufficient, not just pointing out his association with Al Gore. That means nothing, and may even backfire, since some people are still ignorant enough to think Gore is worth a crap.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 06, 2011, 07:07:27 PM
He's not looking to get the votes of liberals, libertarians, or independents at this time, remember. He's going for the Republican nomination and needs to appeal to its conservative base.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 06, 2011, 07:23:31 PM
It does still leave a bad taste in the mouth.  That kind of "Gotta be a devil to fight a devil" thing which is a very dangerous road to go down.

Tis why I say Ron Paul's integrity is wasted on politics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 06, 2011, 09:25:52 PM
Ron Paul got as far as he had because of showing what was behind the curtain, but now it looks like he is making his own wizard with this ad. As others have said, trying to associate himself with Reagan promotes an already false idea Reagan was libertarian.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 06, 2011, 09:42:11 PM
Christ, as if I needed yet another reason to be convinced that political action cannot work.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 07, 2011, 10:55:18 AM
Facebook friend in red, me in blue:

Funny that Ron is so "offended" by a lie that abortions are taxpayer funded but I haven't heard him upset by the FACT that atheist's tax monies are going to churches due to Faith-based Initiatives started by Bush and continued by Oblahblah. Ever heard of separation of church and state, Paul? That should be simple stuff, even for you.

Geez, is it too much to ask for people to actually READ what Ron Paul has said about faith-based initiatives before posting screeds like this? On June 13, 2001, Ron Paul stood up in Congress and told them NOT to fund faith-based initiatives. He said the same thing again in an article posted to RonPaul.com on February 19, 2009. Procon.org lists Paul under "Should federal funds be given to faith-based (religious) organizations and initiatives?" as Con.

Ron Paul IS against taxpayer-funding of faith-based initiatives and has said so clearly. Knock off the dogmatism, people!

2001? That's a long time ago. I want to know what he says NOW, he should be OUTRAGED. I'm not buying it, Shane. Not one bit. (1 person liked that)

I guess you missed the reference from 2009? VERY selective there.

Yeah, I don't like his reasoning at all. He's upset that religious orgs. can't discriminate anymore when they get funding. "With the stroke of a pen, religious charities might not be able to take into consideration a job applicant's faith, sexual orientation or lifestyle if they wish to remain eligible for that taxpayer money that was so enticing a few years ago. Similarly, if FOCA (Freedom of Choice Act) is passed, will Catholic Church hospitals be forced to offer abortion services to retain their federal funding? Can they remain solvent without it? "

(Notice that we've just jumped from "He's in favor of it" to "I don't like his reasoning for being against it" without ANY kind of retraction.)

2009 also isn't 2011 BTW

Nice quote-mining. He also said: "Money is the Trojan horse that government uses to infiltrate and infect organizations. Funding that, on the outset, is designed to strengthen and support, will bureaucratize and regulate in the end. It is sad to see charities now having reason to focus on lobbying, regulatory compliance and paper pushing to get and retain money taken by force, rather than beefing up private, voluntary fundraising activities."

And what, he's just supposed to re-state his long-held positions on everything every few months just to satisfy you? Come on! How are you in ANY way being rational here?

Shane, go try your bull on other people, not my wall. You're not going to get anywhere with your "Ron Paul is great" nonsense here. We see right through him and his son.

(Note: I haven't once said "Ron Paul is great" here. I've pointed out--with evidence--that she was wrong when she said Paul supports taxpayer funding of faith-based initiatives.)

Also: "If religious organizations receive taxpayer monies, they will have an incentive to make obedience to the dictates of federal bureaucrats their number-one priority...people who currently voluntarily support religious organizations will assume they 'gave at the (tax) office' and thus will reduce their level of private giving. Thus, religious charities will become increasingly dependent on federal funds for support."

What, me using actual quotes and going with what he actually said is bull, and you ascribing positions to him he did not take (taxpayer funding of faith-based initiatives) without even CHECKING isn't???

Once again, we see people who skeptical in many other matters turning it all off when it comes to politics.

I posted a quote of his, too. You called it quote "mining", remember? LOL If he was so upset about taxpayer funded faith-based initiatives he'd be TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW. He's not.

Yes, we certainly do Shane.

He's spoken against it in Congress every time it's come up, and voted against it. What more do you want him to do? Why should he REPEAT a LONG-HELD position RIGHT NOW just because you want him to?

Ummm....maybe because it's important?

At this point, the only thing I know to do is drop the subject.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 07, 2011, 11:06:57 AM
Yeesh, that was almost painful to read. James Randi is right when he says that they don't just want what they believe to be true, they need it to be true and any counter argument is treated as a personal attack because they feel legitimately threatened when you provide counter evidence for their claims.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 07, 2011, 11:13:50 AM
Okay, so I did come up with one more response:

Really? It's important? So, $140 million in faith-based initiatives is more important than TRILLIONS spent on foreign wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lybia, as well as keeping a military presence in well over 100 countries, costing American lives and spawning anti-American sentiments that terrorists can use to recruit?

$140 million in faith-based initiatives is more important than tens of billions spent on a failed War on Drugs that ultimately funds terrorism, increases border crime, as well as domestic crime--especially in inner cities, and results in the United States having the largest per capita prison population in the world?

$140 million in faith-based initiatives is more important than an out-of-control monetary policy which impoverishes the poor and middle class to enrich cronies and threaten the financial solvency of the US as well as the stability of the dollar?

Interesting priorities you have there...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 07, 2011, 11:37:00 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 07, 2011, 11:13:50 AM
Okay, so I did come up with one more response:

Really? It's important? So, $140 million in faith-based initiatives is more important than TRILLIONS spent on foreign wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lybia, as well as keeping a military presence in well over 100 countries, costing American lives and spawning anti-American sentiments that terrorists can use to recruit?

$140 million in faith-based initiatives is more important than tens of billions spent on a failed War on Drugs that ultimately funds terrorism, increases border crime, as well as domestic crime--especially in inner cities, and results in the United States having the largest per capita prison population in the world?

$140 million in faith-based initiatives is more important than an out-of-control monetary policy which impoverishes the poor and middle class to enrich cronies and threaten the financial solvency of the US as well as the stability of the dollar?

Interesting priorities you have there...

Sounds like typical statheism to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 07, 2011, 03:19:51 PM
[yt]7txRVx_Ya5k[/yt]

Ugh, when he isn't spouting stupid internet memes he's spewing the flawed, not based in reality, assumption that taxing the rich will save the universe from bankruptcy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 07, 2011, 08:26:43 PM
It's like that old fable where the two bears keep complaining that the other's piece of cheese is bigger so the fox would take a bite of each in turn until they both wind up with none.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 07, 2011, 09:16:24 PM
well, here's one silly comment from YT: it was under one of my subscription's (representativepress) vids regarding 9/11:

Quote from:  a baby"always liked most of your videos but your views on 9/11 are just ridiculous.I will unsubscribe.This video and all your 9/11 stuff makes you sound like a complete idiot.You cherrypick and ignore hundreds of anomolies and then have some emotional hate of people who want to ask questions. You do realize that history is full of proven false flag events previously labelled as conspiracies?? Pathetic and disappointing.Since you never bring up Mossad's involvement, you must be a shill. BYE!!!!"

another one, but by another user:
Quote from:  some other user"WHY DID THE PENTHOUSE ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING FALL FIRST THEN??????????????????????????­??????????????????????????????­??????????????????????????? HOW DID ALL THE CORE COLUMNS FAIL ALL AT ONCE SO THE BUILDING WOULD FALL IN ON ITSELF????PLEASE ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, CAUSE THAT BUILDING WAS TAKEN OUT WITH EXPLOSIVES OR ADVANCED WEAPONRY."

and the list goes on. to quote Shane himself: "some people just want to shift the blame away from those 19 mass-murdering scumbags".

agree or not with Tom Murphy (the owner of that channel), you have to give him credit: he goes through a lot of comments like this, while trying to show the facts about 9/11.

and for the record, the video:

[YT]_7rj5UQvlWw&list=PL605641003DE05216&feature=plpp[/YT]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 08, 2011, 08:59:54 AM
John Bradshaw Layfield, former pro wrestler, now writes for Fox Business.

You want to talk about failure....wow.

QuoteWhat's wrong with calling Social Security a ponzi scheme? It is, imo. We rely on a pyramid scheme to pay for it. It has helped eradicate poverty among elderly-acknowledging it is a ponzi scheme doesn't mean it doesn't do something good. It needs reform to continue to exist and arguing about what it is currently or should be called takes away from efforts to reform it.

He also got a facebook comment claiming that it isn't a Ponzi scheme and the person posted this diagram.
(https://motherjones.com/files/images/venn-diagram-social-security-ponzi-scheme-630.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 08, 2011, 09:08:44 AM
Regarding LPF chair's fight against Real ID, I'm in blue, he's in red

So the government requiring practically your whole life's story just to get a driver's license isn't a search by the government?

Being able to drive a car is not a requirement. So in the end getting a drivers license is voluntary, as is forgegoing a drivers license for a state ID.

In the end though, if you want to use certain services, both private and public, one requirement is to show ID. If you dont have the ID, there is nothing wrong with that, but just like any business, they dont have to help / sell you anything if you dont have it.

Secondly, when you get your DL / State ID, you are consenting to have personal information placed into a database (DMV/DOR/etc). As said before, you arent required ot have an ID or DL. Just dont expect businesses to make an exception.
And an unreasonable one at that?
Since its voluntary, its not unreasonable, and the courts have upheld that.
And what do you mean by the 4th amendment applies to government and not the individual?
A civilian who decides to walk into their neighbors house and look around for drugs / illegal items violated the law, specifically (if the homeowner is not home) Burglary in the 2nd (in my state) and if the homeowner is home its 1st degree.

If a police officer does the exact same thing, not only are we technically burglarizing the property, we are also violating his civil rights, specifically the 4th amendment. LEO either needs a warrant, consent or exigent circumstances.

Your neighbor who searched doesnt require a warrant since he is not acting under color of law.

This is why I said the guy does not understand how the 4th amendment applies to his case.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 08, 2011, 09:09:40 AM
Quote from: D on September 08, 2011, 08:59:54 AM
JohN Bradshaw Layfield, former pro wrestler, now writes for Fox Business.

You want to talk about failure....wow.

Wait, so if we want to reform it, we shouldn't talk about what it currently is? How can you reform something if you don't know what it is?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 08, 2011, 09:13:12 AM
Last post got cut off


If showing ID is practically mandatory in this country, than how is it in any way voluntary. I have to show ID to get on a plane? Oh I could drive, so its voluntary. Oh wait, I still need to do that to get a driver's license. Oh wait, I could still walk from Florida to New York, so its voluntary.

What's that, I'm going to need a credit card and ID to try and get a hotel room? Oh I guess I could just sleep out in a ditch or something, but then I'll get busted for vagrancy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 08, 2011, 04:18:18 PM
[yt]JywTgoP8hFc[/yt]

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d168/IronFury51488/1266290552391.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2011, 07:14:49 PM
Quote from: D on September 08, 2011, 04:18:18 PM
[yt]JywTgoP8hFc[/yt]

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d168/IronFury51488/1266290552391.jpg)
Is it wrong that I liked his thoughts on Sonic the Hedgehog?  Not as profound, but like something interesting, and between "whoa, dude, we're so high right now" and a "hm...very interesting!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 08, 2011, 07:15:55 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 08, 2011, 07:14:49 PM
Is it wrong that I liked his thoughts on Sonic the Hedgehog?  Not as profound, but like something interesting, and between "whoa, dude, we're so high right now" and a "hm...very interesting!"

Didn't watch his Sonic run, but he did this with the intention of us not wanting to play SMW ever again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2011, 07:20:37 PM
Quote from: D on September 08, 2011, 07:15:55 PM
Didn't watch his Sonic run, but he did this with the intention of us not wanting to play SMW ever again.
Whoa.  I haven't watched his SMW one, so I did not know that.  Honestly, I loved that game. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2011, 07:26:04 PM
To reply to someone else who said that Ryan doesn't go together with comedy, he does have his moments.
Case in point:  [yt]cF2359mSCzk[/yt]
He and Morrakiu are at their best with their satire.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 09, 2011, 11:38:26 AM
Saw this on Facebook.

QuoteSTOP NEOCON's, STOP WAR, STOP BANKRUPTING OUR COUNTRY WITH PREEMPTIVE WARS, DON'T ALLOW THE MEDIA TO DETERMINE OUR ELECTIONS!!!!

That's not the fail. The fail comes from a response he got:
QuoteWhoa, whoa...hold on there, brother. I'm with you all the way up until you say "STOP WAR". We need to stop the LUCIFERIAN GLOBALIST BANKERS from getting RICH off of war.

Unfortunately, as long as human beings SUCK, we will need a military and a police department.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 09, 2011, 01:35:55 PM
This guy posted this on another forum where I posted the debate between the Keynesian and the Austrian economist. This may be the single most bogus thing I've ever read.

QuoteAs for Austrian economics, the creationism school of economic thought, I'll give it some credence when they back it up with empirical data rather than constantly posture with their philosophy. If Milton ****ing Friedman AND Paul Krugman both say it lacks any evidence to prove its position? I'm surprised that the Austrian school always supplants the neomonetarist these days in the media.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 09, 2011, 06:05:12 PM
Quote from: D on September 09, 2011, 11:38:26 AM
Saw this on Facebook.

That's not the fail. The fail comes from a response he got:
QuoteWhoa, whoa...hold on there, brother. I'm with you all the way up until you say "STOP WAR". We need to stop the LUCIFERIAN GLOBALIST BANKERS from getting RICH off of war.

Unfortunately, as long as human beings SUCK, we will need a military and a police department.
Yeah, sounds like my conservative friend...Evidently, they both think that upon becoming members of government, they ascent beyond us mere mortals:  cult of the omnipotent state yet again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 09, 2011, 06:44:46 PM
Quote from: D on September 09, 2011, 01:35:55 PM
This guy posted this on another forum where I posted the debate between the Keynesian and the Austrian economist. This may be the single most bogus thing I've ever read.
QuoteAs for Austrian economics, the creationism school of economic thought, I'll give it some credence when they back it up with empirical data rather than constantly posture with their philosophy. If Milton ****ing Friedman AND Paul Krugman both say it lacks any evidence to prove its position? I'm surprised that the Austrian school always supplants the neomonetarist these days in the media.
Because evidently, the plethora of empirical predictions that came true from the Austrian School don't mean a thing to him, yes?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 10, 2011, 07:31:00 AM
From that same debate on another forum about Austrian vs. Keynesian economics:

Quote
QuoteAustrian economics is like creationism? Really? Desty, that may be the single most blatantly wrong thing you have posted on this forum. I'm actually kind of disappointed.
Really? The comparison is quite apt. The Austrian School refuses to look at data, facts, or apply mathematics and econometrics. Murray fucking Rothbard says it's simply a priori form of thought. Then you have good ol' mises.org constantly putting up articles about how data collection and statistics are irrelevant. Lol nothanks.

QuoteOh and nice appeal to authority fallacy there. If Paul Krugman says it's wrong it totally MUST be right? Oh wait...
That's not an appeal to authority fallacy. Or are you seriously suggesting that Paul Krugman and Milton Friedman are not renown economist?

Interesting read for you: Why I'm not an Austrian Economist, by Bryan Caplan. (http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/whyaust.htm)

And for a daily dose of cool:
[yt]d0nERTFo-Sk[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 10, 2011, 09:20:03 AM
I really don't get how Austrian economics is the "creationist school" when it's the Kensyians calling top down, centralized planning.  That sounds more to me like creationism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 10, 2011, 10:39:52 AM
"That's not an appeal to authority fallacy. Or are you seriously suggesting that Paul Krugman and Milton Friedman are not renown economist?"

Oh, that has GOT to be the biggest fail ever! That ranks up there with, "It's not nepotism--he's my brother!"

Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on September 10, 2011, 09:20:03 AM
I really don't get how Austrian economics is the "creationist school" when it's the Kensyians calling top down, centralized planning.  That sounds more to me like creationism.

Exactly--and they deny the effectiveness of bottom-up spontaneous processes, just like creationists deny the effectiveness of the bottom-up spontaneous process of evolution. Both of them INSIST that there must be a designer at the top of it all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 10, 2011, 11:48:54 AM
And now a third person has joined this debate:

Quote from: Him
Quote from: MeYou can add "f*cking" between names if you want, that doesn't make your argument any more legitimate. Also, Keynesian sounds more creationist than Austrian does. Just replace "divine creator" with "government centrally planning" and they're pretty much the same. Oh, and nice Strawman on mises.org.

They don't say statistics and data collection are "irrelevant." They clearly state, and I quote (http://mises.org/daily/2280):
Quote from: Mises.orgFor the economic historian in the Austrian tradition, the quality of economic data is of utmost importance, since false data or belief in inaccurate data can lead the economic historian to faulty interpretations of the past.

They're not saying that they think data collecting and statistics are irrelevant, but that statistics that are given tend to be inaccurate due to multiple reasons.
Quote from: Mises.orgOskar Morgenstern names several sources of error that influence the accuracy of economic observation. One is a lack of designed experiments. The observations are not produced by the user of an experiment, as in the natural sciences, but rather, statistics are simply a byproduct of business and government activities. There is a complete lack of incentive to provide accurate information for government statistics and economic researchers on the part of companies, because to do so would require a costly and burdensome process.

In addition to the lack of accurately designed collections of data, there exists a related problem, also absent in the physical sciences – namely, the possibility of hiding of information or outright lying.

Companies have strong incentives to hide information or lie in order to mislead their competitors about their competitive strategy or strength. Companies also have an incentive to lie to the tax authorities and to the government in general in order to seek subsidies or avoid taxation. Sometimes companies manipulate profits in order to pay out fewer dividends.

Likewise, governments themselves have an incentive to falsify statistics, thereby improving their economic record. Doing so improves the ruling party's chances of staying in power. Falsification of economic statistics can also improve the likelihood of receiving some kind of foreign aid or foreign recognition. A recent example involved the Greek government, whose officials falsified the Greek budget deficit in order to gain entrance into the European monetary union.

Another potential source of error consists in the inadequate training of those who observe economic data. Whereas in the physical sciences the observers are the scientists conducting the experiment, the observers of economic data are often not trained at all. A lack of training can lead to error in data collection. From instance, errors may stem from questionnaires. The conductor of the research, does not normally conduct all interviews. Instead, the interviews are likely conducted by different persons. As a result, the delivering of the questions, the setting up, the interpretation and the recording of the answers are additional sources of error. The errors in mass observation do not necessarily cancel each other out. Frequently, such errors are cumulative.

An additional potential source for errors is the lack of clear definitions or classifications. These problems apply, for instance, in the classification of goods, types of employment, or classification of companies within industries. Companies like General Electric operate in various industries, making it difficult to assign its revenues or profits to distinct industries.

That is entirely different than "LOLSTATISTICS WHO NEEDS 'EM!"

From a more recent mises.org article (http://mises.org/daily/4962):
Quote from: Mises.orgAside from the conceptual questions, the mere measurement of personal income as currently defined poses nearly insurmountable difficulties. For example, among those in "poverty," illegal (hence unreported) incomes loom large — earnings from drug dealing, prostitution, gambling enterprises, and everyday theft. If the poor have only the income they report to the Internal Revenue Service or the Bureau of the Census, how do they come by the automobiles, televisions, jewelry, and other visible adornments of their homes and persons?

Of course, the poor are scarcely the only class concealing real income, whether honestly or illicitly acquired. The wealthy support an entire stratum of professional attendants — lawyers, accountants, financial gurus — whose sole mission in economic affairs is to remove income from the gaze of the tax collector. Small-business people notoriously accept payments "under the table," and hosts of carpenters, painters, electricians, plumbers, and gardeners, not to mention the nannies, earn income that is wholly or partly unreported.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from an argumentative point, this does nothing to answer Desty's objections that the Austrian thinking is simply an a priory form of thought, and in fact, it serves to strengthen it. If the Austrians' claim is true, that all economic data is fallacious, then there are no economic indicators that the Austrians use to determine or predict the state of the markets, and therefore must use some kind of prepositions concerning the market that are completely subjective. By extension, any Austrian economist that may have successfully predicted future market trends has done so due to pure statistical probability (or to use a more damning term, luck) by simply choosing the correct preposition, and not by means of the scientific method. For every 100 Austrian economists that predict the future, certainly at least 1 will be proven correct.

Personally, I do not think that this is the case, at least to my limited knowledge. There are some economic indicators that the Austrians do use, and I do think that they are more effective in predicting short term market events, due to the fact that they use the movement of goods and prices as their main indicators, while the Keynesians are better at predicting long term market trends, due to the fact that they observe political factors and production processes that ultimately shape the interaction between demand and supply.

Quote from: MeOh, so saying that because Paul Krugman states there is no evidence means there is no evidence isn't an appeal to authority fallacy?

Renown and good are not the same thing. Paul Krugman may be well known, but by no means is he a good economist. I already posted the video on Paul Krugman (your bit from Idiot Extraordinaire on Paul Krugman,) not sure if you watched it, but all points about him are made in that video.

Well, I do think that the guy who made the video was a little bit biased. First, the actual quote from the guy that Krugman quoted was in fact related to "what economic downturn". If Krugman really did take that out of context, then this guy certainly forgot to specifically point that out (but granted, he implied that there was more to the text than what Krugman pointed out). Second, I was left with the impression that Krugman stated the necessity of the housing bubble with a little bit of sarcasm, in his Dubya's  Double dip article.In a way, replacing one with another, as the only means to replace the Nasdaq bubble. He didn't state that this was the right way, or that it will be successful, just what needs to be done in order to counter the negative effects of a certain market event. 

But the bottom line is, I do agree that Krugman didn't predict a thing, or at least, predicted what most economists and more sophisticated domestic farm animals already knew. There was going to be a crash in the housing market, just like any bubble in the past.

Anyway, that's my humble opinion on the matter.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 10, 2011, 12:39:26 PM
@D:  Is there a reason your entire post is in quotes?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 10, 2011, 12:42:22 PM
Good thing I keep the scripts of past podcasts:

Quote from: D on September 10, 2011, 11:48:54 AMWell, I do think that the guy who made the video was a little bit biased. First, the actual quote from the guy that Krugman quoted was in fact related to "what economic downturn". If Krugman really did take that out of context, then this guy certainly forgot to specifically point that out

Ahem: "Barro didn't ask where ANY market failure was; he asked what market failure could possibly result in government spending beign a free lunch. Krugman completely avoids that part of the question."

And before that point: "Barro asks the question, 'Where was the market failure that allowed the government to improve things just by borrowing money and giving it to people?'"

I quoted enough to make it clear: Barro was talking about a specific market failure that allows government to improve things by borrowing money, and Krugman ignored that last part and pretended that Barro was so ignorant he didn't notice the very housing crash he was writing about!

Sorry, but any way you slice it, that's WAY dishonest on the part of Krugman.

QuoteSecond, I was left with the impression that Krugman stated the necessity of the housing bubble with a little bit of sarcasm, in his Dubya's  Double dip article.

Nope, no sarcasm at all: "To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that, as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble. Judging by Mr. Greenspan's remarkably cheerful recent testimony, he still thinks he can pull that off. But the Fed chairman's crystal ball has been cloudy lately; remember how he urged Congress to cut taxes to head off the risk of excessive budget surpluses? And a sober look at recent data is not encouraging."

There is NO SARCASM WHATSOEVER here. Krugman is very clear on the necessity for a housing bubble, and his doubts were NOT about the bad effects of a housing bubble, but rather he was doubting whether Greenspan could successfully create one!

QuoteHe didn't state that this was the right way,

YES HE DID.

Quoteor that it will be successful,

He doubted that Greenspan would be successful in creating one to begin with, but he was CLEAR that should a housing bubble be created so that people can "start spending a lot more."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 10, 2011, 01:39:23 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 10, 2011, 12:39:26 PM
@D:  Is there a reason your entire post is in quotes?

To separate what was said by me and what was said by others. The quotes within quotes within quotes is stuff that I put forth from Mises.org.

I didn't want to leave out what I put in comparison with what he put so it would be clear what exactly he is responding to.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 11, 2011, 06:39:29 AM
Quote from: Him
Quote from: MeExcept the article didn't state that they don't use statistics, but that statistics handed out by companies and government are skewed to favor their position. That is a major difference. In the previous video I put above (the lecture on economic freedom) that guy uses plenty of statistics and data that was collected to put forth the notion that countries with more economic freedom are better off. You can even read their 2010 report on this here (http://www.freetheworld.com/2010/reports/world/EFW2010_BOOK.pdf).

I do not have to point the irony that in the report in question, they use sources like the World bank, which in turn uses the same statistics that the Austrians are criticizing :rolleyes: Furthermore, since disproving most, if not all economic indicators, what economic indicators do the Austrians actually use, if we consider the article as a whole? What else is there, except a priori propositions? That seems to be the logical conclusion one arrives at, as they have disproved the very foundation of most, if not all economic indicators.

Quote from: MeActually, Keynesian philosophy is what gave us the tech bubble, the housing bubble, the current trillions of dollars of stimulus and high unemployment and cost of living rates.

There is a slight difference between predictions and methods, and some may argue that the policies, not the system itself that was at fault. But again, I was referring to predictions.

Quote from: MeAhem: "Barro didn't ask where ANY market failure was; he asked what market failure could possibly result in government spending being a free lunch. Krugman completely avoids that part of the question."

And before that point: "Barro asks the question, 'Where was the market failure that allowed the government to improve things just by borrowing money and giving it to people?'"

He quoted enough to make it clear: Barro was talking about a specific market failure that allows government to improve things by borrowing money, and Krugman ignored that last part and pretended that Barro was so ignorant he didn't notice the very housing crash he was writing about!

Sorry, but any way you slice it, that's WAY dishonest on the part of Krugman.

Actually, no. Krugman didn't quote Barro directly, he referenced Glasner's specific response, and in doing so quoted "where was the market failure" from Barro. This is Krugman's statment from the article:

""As Glasner says, there's something deeply weird about asking "where's the market failure?" in the face of massive unemployment, huge unused capacity, an economy producing less than it did three and a half years ago despite population growth and advancing technology. Of course there's some kind of market failure, which means that there's nothing at all odd about asserting that better policy can yield free lunches.""

This is Barro's actual statement:

""How can it be right?  Where was the market failure that allowed the government to improve things just by borrowing money and giving it to people?  Keynes in his "General Theory" (1936), was not so good at explaining why this worked, and subsequent generations of Keynesian economists (including my own youthful efforts) have not been more successful.""

To which Glasner responded : ""Nice rhetorical touch, that bit of faux self-deprecation, referring to his own fruitless youthful efforts.  But the real message is:  "I'm older and wiser now, so trust me, the multiplier is a scam.""

after which it was followed by the questionable issue. This guy clearly stated that Krugman didn't address the issue- but then again, he didn't have to. By extension, he clearly agreed entirely with Glasner- that is, that Barro's statement about the functionality of the Keynesian multiplier is a complete bull. The second part of Barro's statement was already retorted, and Krugman simply referenced the first.

At worst, you can accuse Krugman of bad writing. But his stance on the matter is clearly shown once by association, agreed with Glasner. Albeit insufficient (certainly due to the issue of the article being something else, and not that specific reference), but certainly not intellectually dishonest.

Quote from: MeNope, no sarcasm at all: "To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that, as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble. Judging by Mr. Greenspan's remarkably cheerful recent testimony, he still thinks he can pull that off. But the Fed chairman's crystal ball has been cloudy lately; remember how he urged Congress to cut taxes to head off the risk of excessive budget surpluses? And a sober look at recent data is not encouraging."

There is NO SARCASM WHATSOEVER here. Krugman is very clear on the necessity for a housing bubble, and his doubts were NOT about the bad effects of a housing bubble, but rather he was doubting whether Greenspan could successfully create one!

Seriously? A guy mentions that one needs another bubble to replace a bubble that has already burst, and that isn't a grounds to assume that maybe he was referring to it with a dose of restraint? Furthermore, no, he didn't, he merely referenced what the Fed needed to do "to offset moribund business investment.". I assume that if businesses and people were spending more, as he asks "Who, exactly, is about to start spending a lot more?", then, by his own logic there is no need to create the housing bubble, as an only option, that may not even be able to come into fruition.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 11, 2011, 08:42:30 AM
Actually, there are a lot of indicators that Austrians use; just look at how they predicted the housing crisis. But even if they didn't, I'd say it was a lot better to use NO metrics than to use faulty ones that lead you to the wrong conclusions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 12, 2011, 12:39:05 PM
Facebook FoF:

QuoteNOBODY WAS BULLYING THE WORLD WHEN OUR 2 WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDINGS WERE DESTROYED BY ISLAMIC TERRORISTS. THEY DON'T NEED ANY EXCUSES AND YOU CAN STICK YOUR APOLOGIES WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE! IF YOU WANT TO GO AFTER ANYONE, WHY DON'T YOU GO AFTER THE HUNDREDS OF DICTATORS AROUND THE WORLD AND THE AFRICAN WARLORDS WHO KILL MILLIONS OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE ON A REGULAR BASIS??? THE U.S. ONLY TRIES TO RIGHT SOME WRONGS AND PROTECT AMERICAN CITIZENS AND OUR INTERESTS WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE. EXCEPT, OF COURSE, WHEN OBOZO INVADED LIBYA FOR NO GOOD REASON!!!

It was fail enough as it was, but that last sentence really pushed it WAY over the edge!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 12, 2011, 12:42:17 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 12, 2011, 12:39:05 PM
Facebook FoF:

It was fail enough as it was, but that last sentence really pushed it WAY over the edge!

Wow. It pretty much has everything needed for failure. Hypocrisy, incorrect information, and all caps.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 12, 2011, 12:54:13 PM
By the way, D, here's another Hayek quote (NOT a fail) you can use against your fail guy:

"I want to do this to avoid giving the impression that I generally reject the mathematical method in economics. I regard it in fact as the great advantage of the mathematical technique that it allows us to describe, by means of algebraic equations, the general character of a pattern even where we are ignorant of the numerical values which will determine its particular manifestation. We could scarcely have achieved that comprehensive picture of the mutual interdependencies of the different events in a market without this algebraic technique. It has led to the illusion, however, that we can use this technique for the determination and prediction of the numerical values of those magnitudes; and this has led to a vain search for quantitative or numerical constants. This happened in spite of the fact that the modern founders of mathematical economics had no such illusions." (The Pretence of Knowledge)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 12, 2011, 01:04:06 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 12, 2011, 12:54:13 PM
By the way, D, here's another Hayek quote (NOT a fail) you can use against your fail guy:

"I want to do this to avoid giving the impression that I generally reject the mathematical method in economics. I regard it in fact as the great advantage of the mathematical technique that it allows us to describe, by means of algebraic equations, the general character of a pattern even where we are ignorant of the numerical values which will determine its particular manifestation. We could scarcely have achieved that comprehensive picture of the mutual interdependencies of the different events in a market without this algebraic technique. It has led to the illusion, however, that we can use this technique for the determination and prediction of the numerical values of those magnitudes; and this has led to a vain search for quantitative or numerical constants. This happened in spite of the fact that the modern founders of mathematical economics had no such illusions." (The Pretence of Knowledge)

Posted it. Probably won't get a response, but let's wait and see.

I figure I may as well post this fail from last night in a debate I was in about health care.
This guy made a thread about how he found out recently that he now has cancer. A Canadian in the thread suggested that he comes to Canada because their health care is "free." I responded in kind by saying that chances are he'd be dead by the time he gets looked at. He responded with the following:
QuoteThat is a real misconception D.

Its a rare occurrence for that to happen. As opposed to America where if you don't have the money or private health care that is also willing to pay, you're pretty much sentenced to death.

I was diagnosed with "condition"

I got treated in 6 months, the standard waiting time.

For him money is factor, so if he can get it done free the wait is well worth it.

I already responded to him with this:

QuoteOh wow, that's like no time at all! Oh..wait.

That might be cool if you have the common cold, but serious treatments require far faster time than that. It is a known fact that many Canadians come to the United States to get their surgeries because Canadian hospitals cannot support them fast enough.

Skip to 5:32
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This woman had a blocked artery that prevented her from being able to digest food. She lost 50 pounds just from not being able to eat. She was literally starving to death! In order to save her life they took her to an American doctor where she could quickly be treated. The doctor told her that had she not been treated she would have only had weeks to live. The Canadian government called her surgery "elective."

6 months is standard? If that's the case, then your standard is horse shit.

Here is another video from the Cato Institute where Sally Pipes talks about Canada's health care system and how the waiting lines are screwing people over.
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Got no response yet. Apparently some Canadians are so used to the lousy waiting times that 6 months seems quick to them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 12, 2011, 01:27:17 PM
Sadly, Healey died before her lawsuit against the Canadian government could be heard: http://www.canadianmedicinenews.com/2008/05/bc-patient-cum-plaintiff-shirley-healey.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 12, 2011, 01:38:40 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 12, 2011, 01:27:17 PM
Sadly, Healey died before her lawsuit against the Canadian government could be heard: http://www.canadianmedicinenews.com/2008/05/bc-patient-cum-plaintiff-shirley-healey.html

That really sucks, but it just goes to show what rationed health care does.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 12, 2011, 03:03:29 PM
Works out pretty conveniently, the biggest critics of socialized healthcare tend to die, thus silencing their dissent.  Sick stuff...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 12, 2011, 04:37:14 PM
Someone threw this at me to show how stupid and ridiculous I was being for saying that inflation is much higher than our government calculates:

QuoteHas the BLS selected the methodological changes to the CPI over the last 30 years with the intent of lowering the reported rate of inflation?

No. The improvements chosen by the BLS that some critics construe to be a response to short term political pressure were, in fact, the result of analysis and recommendations made over a period of decades, and those changes are consistent with international standards for statistics. The methods continue to be reviewed by outside commissions and advisory panels, and they are widely used by statistical agencies of other nations.

Moreover, the sizes and effects of the changes implemented by the BLS are often over-estimated by critics. Some have argued that if the CPI were computed using the methods in place in the late 1970s, the index would now be growing at a rates as high as 11 or 12 percent per year. Those estimates are based on the belief that the use of a geometric mean index lowered the annual rate of change of the CPI by three percentage points per year, and a belief that other BLS changes, such as the use of hedonic models and rental equivalence, have lowered the growth rate of the CPI by four percentage points per year.

Neither belief is supported by evidence. BLS calculations have shown that the geometric mean formula has reduced the annual growth rate of the CPI by less than 0.3 percentage points. Hedonic quality adjustments for shelter regularly increase the rate of change of the CPI, and those for apparel have had both upward and downward impacts at different points in time and for different types of clothing. The BLS estimates that the overall impact of hedonic quality adjustments in use in other categories has been extremely small. Furthermore, if the CPI were using the pre-1983 asset-based method instead of rental equivalence to measure homeowner shelter cost it would yield a sharply lower current measure of shelter inflation, given that house prices are now declining in many parts of the country.

There should be some kind of contest here; okay, you get 5000 Interwebs* for every fallacy you can find in this!

(*Interwebs have no cash value and are not redeemable for anything.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 13, 2011, 02:30:07 PM
Well, didn't think I'd have to do this, but some fail quotes from none other than George Carlin:
QuoteHistory is not happenstance: it is conspiratorial. Carefully planned and executed by people in power.

QuoteHere's something that pisses me off. Retired people who don't want to pay local property taxes because they say it's not their grandchildren who go to the schools. Mean spirited retirees usually from out of state. Cheap, selfish, old Bush voters. The ones I read about were in Arizona. AARP members. They take a shit the size of a peanut and think it's an accomplishment. And it's not like these retirement people can't afford the tax money. Not all old people are as dependent on Social Security checks as they'd like you to think. Some of them get all kinds of checks. Social Security, the VA, private pensions, government pensions, they also have stock dividends, bank interests and whatever else they managed to squeeze out of the system. And still they begrudge their local property taxes simply because their own fucked up cross-eyed grandchildren aren't going to use the schools. Fuck 'em. I say pay your taxes and die like everyone else. I hope they choke on an early bird dinner.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 13, 2011, 03:48:23 PM
While maybe not on property taxes, he is right on with how retirees work the system.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 13, 2011, 03:54:26 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on September 13, 2011, 03:48:23 PM
While maybe not on property taxes, he is right on with how retirees work the system.

Yeah, the fail I'm referring to is the idea that not wanting to pay local property taxes is considered "selfish."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Houshalter on September 14, 2011, 04:15:55 PM
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This entire video is a fail, but the comments are worse.

QuoteAs a fellow shoplifter, I consider there to be a difference between big corporations and family-run corporations; I would not shoplift from small family-run businesses. And I wouldn't consider what I do to be "stealing". I call stealing one person taking from another person, but one person taking from a corporation is very different. Corporations (or better yet, private economic tyrannies) exist to profit. Good or bad, their motivation is money, and therefore hold no responsibility... ...or capability for remorse or humanity. That these institutions exist in the first place is stealing in my opinion. Its like the guy in the video said, "It is a way to carve out a little piece of the world for myself to act back upon a world that acts so much upon me."


Quotethe reason why stealing from a wal mart isnt so bad: if you would have millions of dollars would you care if they stole you 200$ dollars? its as if they stole you 10 cents or something like that

so feel free to steal! : )
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 14, 2011, 04:29:51 PM
Quote from: Houshalter on September 14, 2011, 04:15:55 PM
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This entire video is a fail, but the comments are worse.

That was.....wow. Just wow.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 14, 2011, 05:05:28 PM
Geez...do these people have NO idea how much the price of everything increases due to shoplifting?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 14, 2011, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 14, 2011, 05:05:28 PM
Geez...do these people have NO idea how much the price of everything increases due to shoplifting?

No, because they don't care. They think "herp derp I'm fightin' da powah herp derp."

Also, a fail quote of my own. I pointed out to a commenter on that video I put in this thread earlier about taxing the rich that taxation is coercion and therefore theft.

He responded in kind:
Quoteso you think that stealing is wrong, sometimes you have to do wrong to benifit the rest of society. Due to the fact that money is needed, we need to cut spending and keep money rolling in, we can then spend on social programs that will benifit EVERYONE

What a fucking moron.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 14, 2011, 09:19:47 PM
Quote from: Houshalter on September 14, 2011, 04:15:55 PM
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This entire video is a fail, but the comments are worse.

so anyone up for nominating that crimethInc as idiot extraordinaire for the week?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 14, 2011, 09:45:54 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 14, 2011, 05:05:28 PM
Geez...do these people have NO idea how much the price of everything increases due to shoplifting?

Read the comments again in that video. Funny you mention this, because one of the morons actually says something about it:
Quotelove this video...sadly i got busted and had to take some anti shop lifting class. They said all the cliche things...how people lose their jobs, prices go up...blah blah blah. Wrong. People get fired for their own stupidity. Prices dont go up. You see a DVD thats being sold for 19.99. I bet you plenty have lifted it and u go back bout a month later itll be the same price.

You know what, I'm almost thinking of nominating the supporters of that video for idiot extraordinaire. Holy shit some of them are completely mental.
QuoteThe big corporations have to exist for people to steal from them. Hence, shoplifters depend on the existence of the stores they steal from. Therefore shoplifting depends on the continuation of capitalism. Get rid of capitalism, and shoplifting becomes unnesessary and redundant. Shoplifting is just more mindless consumersim.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 14, 2011, 10:21:41 PM
Quote from: D on September 14, 2011, 09:45:54 PM
You know what, I'm almost thinking of nominating the supporters of that video for idiot extraordinaire. Holy shit some of them are completely mental.

oh good, at least two people are now of that opinion.   ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Houshalter on September 14, 2011, 10:25:44 PM
Another one from that video:

QuoteI think if you want to shoplift from major corporations, then shoplift. They are the greedy theivivng capatilists profiting form world hunger. Id rather burn a wal-mart to the ground with all the meaningles material stuff thats isnt really woth antything along with it. ANd too comtinue on in that fashion...WHOS WITH ME!!!!

Because Walmart's act of lowering prices for consumers causes third-world hunger. And all the stuff they sell is worthless - because it's material. And burning things we don't like to the ground is the best way to solve societies problems.

Sadly this is the top-rated comment.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 14, 2011, 11:17:52 PM
Debunking Canadian health care myths (http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_12523427)

It is full of pure Bogosity. Shame it is a much older piece otherwise I would have nominated it for Biggest Bogon Emitter.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 18, 2011, 02:20:13 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 18, 2011, 02:23:24 PM
Same guy on twitter

How can libertarians who rail against Govt choosing winners and losers justify any diff in capital gains and income tax rates?

JonLoesche

@SamSeder Why do we have either in the first place?

SamSeder
@JonLoesche because Americans insist on certain services from their Govt which need to be funded- ur turn to answer my Q

JonLoesche
@SamSeder @sunshineempire But how is giving massive subsidies and regulations that favor the politically connected not picking and choosing?

SamSeder
@JonLoesche I have no problem w/ idea of picking&choosing- I sometimes take issue w/ the choices but that's a policy debate
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on September 18, 2011, 04:29:12 PM
Red is them, green is me:

Um, it's government sponsored television. You pay for it, even if you've never had a TV set in your life.
Hell, in this game, you can block the ads. Try not paying some of your taxes and see what happens then...

What? I pay for the BBC through the licence fee. If I have no tv I don't have to buy a licence. It's not a tax

It's the same here in Sweden. If you don't have a TV, you don't pay a licence fee. No tax funding.  

That is indeed better than paying for it anyway, but why should you have to pay for a channel that you might never watch?  

Because it's public service. Everyone with a TV has access to it, which means everyone with a TV has to pay for it. It would not be tenable to have a public service television where you only pay if you watch - they couldn't afford programming. The only way to deal with it would be ads or taxes (or those pathetic Telethons, that PBS are forced into in the U.S.). I'd argue that most people here in Sweden, at least, are very happy to have channels (five of them, one of which is only re-runs of public service programmes, and HD versions for the two big channels) where programmes are not interrupted by commercials, and taxes would be unfair to the people who don't actually own a TV.

It may not be a perfect system, but it's one that works. It even survives the a-holes who avoid paying, because most people are actually honest enough to do it.  

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=121997&page=2

Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on September 18, 2011, 02:20:13 PM
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I can own his argument about internet speeds, by simply showing him mine. And my cost. And my completely unlimited bandwidth.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 19, 2011, 02:40:25 AM
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/sockpuppet.png
Pro-tip: If you're going to use sock accounts to bolster your ego, make sure you're using the right one to reply with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Houshalter on September 19, 2011, 06:43:05 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on September 18, 2011, 02:20:13 PM
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It's not like the US has a relatively low population density or anything. No, if there is ever a problem, it has to be due to a lack of regulations.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 19, 2011, 08:09:37 AM
Facebook FoF:

"If you enjoy paid time off, or a fair wage, or paid vacation time. or workplace standards, or overtime, or a middle class status then thank a union, because a corporation would have never allowed these to exist. Be careful in what you ask for, eliminate the wage standard and you will find yourself working for pennies too. I already see it. The nursing field was once the field to go in because of nice wages. Now that these corporations are eliminating unions power to collective bargaining we are finding nursing wages are dropping and dropping fast. I told my wife when she became a RN that nurses will be working for pennies in 25 years or so, and it is certainly going that way. The older you get the bigger a liability you become. I have full faith most in this country will not waste their time being a nurse when it won`t pay any better than the grocery store clerk does. The reason there are no jobs is because those who have the money to create these jobs are not because of the Muslim Marxist in the oval office. It is that simple. You watch, as soon as the Muslim Marxist is ousted investments in job making will start to boom. I`ll bet a $100 bill on that one to any of you that want to take that bet."

Yes, because corporations never pay one penny above MW; because none of the safety standards or vacation time or other benefits happen in non-union companies; because your anecdote trumps supply and demand; and because Obama doesn't have his nose firmly up the rears of the unions. Riiiight...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 19, 2011, 08:39:01 AM
I've come to the conclusion that Alex Jones CANNOT be for real. He HAS to be the world's biggest Poe, coming up with all sorts of crap to see what his audience will swallow and laughing about it when the microphones are off.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 19, 2011, 08:44:51 AM
Yeah, I've seen that video before. Alex Jones is completely worthless as far as I'm concerned.

Saw this in the comments of the Abramovitch piece.

QuoteThe society you seem to have such disdain for raised and educated you and kept you safe (schools, museums, hospitals, police, fire, etc.) and now you want to live in it without pitching in for the upkeep? Basically, if you live through your childhood in this country, you have a responsibility to give something back...you owe it to future generations to prepare the way for them just as it was prepared for you. Unless you were raised by a pack of wolves and self-educated from a set of Encyclopedia Britannica found in the woods, you owe *something* to society. Even if you ran off to live in the woods alone raising your own veggies and hunting for game, you'd still have a societal safety net of public services standing by to assist you if you should ask for help.

Love the NEA shout-out , by the way, that or NASA must be in every anti-government rant lately....how come the billions-per-week we're spending in Iraq and Afghanistan isn't the first issue? The NEA would barely pay for the port-o-potties in the green zone. I have no problem with whittling away a bit at government spending and government involvement in people's lives, but I'd rather there were more "big picture" thinkers involved in making those decisions, rather than the "special interest death match" every small-government proponent seems to be in favor of.

So children who have no means to get out of such a system are automatically in debt to it. That only seems like further reason to believe that the state is performing a massive screw job.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 19, 2011, 10:25:39 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 19, 2011, 08:39:01 AM
I've come to the conclusion that Alex Jones CANNOT be for real. He HAS to be the world's biggest Poe, coming up with all sorts of crap to see what his audience will swallow and laughing about it when the microphones are off.

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There are times where I find myself frustrated... Truly trapped by the limitations of language. There are so many words for expressing the various states on the human emotional expression. At times, it can be difficult when it feels like these emotions cannot be expressed.

I say this because I know of no word in the English language to express what I feel at watching that clip. Oh, sure, I can describe aspects of it, such as despair, dumbfounded, revulsion, etc... but none seems quite strong enough. I can't conceive how any combination of words would accurately express my reaction to that microcosm of lunacy/stupidity/idiocy/arrogance/ignorance/etc/etc.

I am, quite literally, at a loss for words.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 19, 2011, 11:58:54 AM
QuoteYes, because corporations never pay one penny above MW; because none of the safety standards or vacation time or other benefits happen in non-union companies; because your anecdote trumps supply and demand; and because Obama doesn't have his nose firmly up the rears of the unions. Riiiight...

Funny, I give them my personal anecdote of how minimum wage made my life hell trying to break into the market and they blow it off.  Spent over a year and couldn't get a regular job.  More experienced people ALWAYS muscled in on me and I couldn't compete.  If I had the option to undercut them, it would have made things much easier.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 19, 2011, 04:17:14 PM
Oh, the fail is everywhere:

http://www.thestar.com/travel/article/1055019

My favorite is: "There are too many Spanish people. The receptionist speaks Spanish. The food is Spanish. Too many foreigners now live abroad."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 19, 2011, 10:46:37 PM
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Only serves to reinforce Wayne Allen Root would be a death sentence for the Libertarian Party

#FuckTheTeaParty #FuckLibertarianConservaties
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 19, 2011, 10:50:02 PM
Nice to see somebody downgraded my bogometer already...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 20, 2011, 06:57:13 AM
Geez, full of himself much?

Wait...so he would keep all the "good" parts of Reagan (presumably his rhetoric, which is libertarian) and get rid of the "bad" parts, which are the parts that aren't libertarian, and this make it libertarian-conservative fusion?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 20, 2011, 07:17:35 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 20, 2011, 06:57:13 AM
Geez, full of himself much?

Wait...so he would keep all the "good" parts of Reagan (presumably his rhetoric, which is libertarian) and get rid of the "bad" parts, which are the parts that aren't libertarian, and this make it libertarian-conservative fusion?

Sounds like a lame attempt to appeal to traditionally conservative voters if you ask me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 20, 2011, 04:51:37 PM
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TheAmazingAtheist does it again!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 20, 2011, 08:44:58 PM
Also for Wayne Allen Root, why is a "Libertarian-Conservative" hybrid any more viable than a "Libertarian-Liberal" hybrid
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 21, 2011, 03:46:43 PM
From tonygmilan7's channel userpage's Dumbass Wall of Fame:


"Interest rates right now are determined by the free market." -mr1001nights

"Private banks control the Fed and not the other way around." -mr1001nights

"Would you stop the voluntary destruction of the market?" -mr1001nights

"Inflation is caused by capitalists raising the prices of things." -mr1001nights

"The business cycle would still occur in a free market because its the nature of capitalism." -mr1001nights

"Collectivism and individualism is a false dichotomy." -mr1001nights

"The black dilinquents who have been banished to these mini-jungles would then be able to resume the way of live to which they are best suited. An authentically African way of life." -atticana

"If we do not like the way our elected officials run our country we can vote them out." -wheadonfreak976

"And my friend has a copy (of a non-existent book), i know for you liberturds you like proof of things, oh wait, the free market working, that is a fantasy. Just because you do not see it, does not mean it is not real. O K?" -wheadonfreak976

"There are non-biased sources out there. The Congressional Budget Office is a good one." -majorhythm

"Austrian-schoolers are against democracy, therefore they're totalitarian." -radiohogan

"The biggest names in the Austrian School are Ron Paul and Peter Schiff. They keep coming up in the comments section." -radiohogan

"The free market can't take care of shit. Shit doesn'tget done until someone roles up their fuckin' sleaves and does it." -TheAmazingAtheist
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 21, 2011, 06:18:12 PM
On another forum I go to, someone made a thread about Don't Ask, Don't Tell being repealed. This pile of idiocy was thrown on the thread.

QuoteHonestly, I could careless if they were gay or not that is their problem...just don't tell me and I won't ask. Long as you are fighting for the same thing I am and we have each others back...even though gayness is wrong in my eyes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 22, 2011, 11:51:59 AM
From the same thread as the previous fail quote:
QuoteBeing gay has nothing to do with the ban it's the personalities of being gay . Unless you see it then you can't judge . There are many type of gays out there nothin wrong with them but remember there are those who Behave in the manner of a female and in the military women and men are separated. That's one reason

Also like it or hate we have a right to our own opinions and most soilders that don't like gays wobt serve under or with them so this causes problems with chain command and so fort.


My take on it as I only met some when I was going under initial training in the navy , they should be able to serve but must conduct themselves in a manner to make their fellow soldiers comfortable and professionally like the rest of us. If they don't like being mock then they should keep their sexuallity to themselves we all already do.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 22, 2011, 11:58:44 AM
Sheesh, Obamatons...

(http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/69e42aa0-0302-479c-ae12-068887d1e110.jpg)

1. Actually, that was a result of intelligence initiatives began during the Bush administration.

2. And replaced him with...?

3. A very mild hurricane which Wal-Mart and Home Depot had to pick up the slack from FEMA's bumbling.

4. Yeah, what's the unemployment rate again?

5. Dunkin? He didn't bring Krispy Kreme? He couldn't even get THAT right!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 22, 2011, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 22, 2011, 11:58:44 AM
Sheesh, Obamatons...

(http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/69e42aa0-0302-479c-ae12-068887d1e110.jpg)

1. Actually, that was a result of intelligence initiatives began during the Bush administration.

2. And replaced him with...?

3. A very mild hurricane which Wal-Mart and Home Depot had to pick up the slack from FEMA's bumbling.

4. Yeah, what's the unemployment rate again?

5. Dunkin? He didn't bring Krispy Kreme? He couldn't even get THAT right!
1-4:  True dat.
5. Sweet! Another person who thinks Krispy Kreme's Donuts > Dunkin Donuts! ^_^
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 22, 2011, 02:12:45 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 22, 2011, 12:53:22 PM
1-4:  True dat.
5. Sweet! Another person who thinks Krispy Kreme's Donuts > Dunkin Donuts! ^_^

Personally, I think donuts = donuts. Leads to a great deal of redundant coding in my scripts. :-P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 22, 2011, 06:08:28 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on September 22, 2011, 02:12:45 PM
Personally, I think donuts = donuts. Leads to a great deal of redundant coding in my scripts. :-P
And that is why you have trouble programming, my Texan friend. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 22, 2011, 06:15:39 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 22, 2011, 06:08:28 PM
And that is why you have trouble programming, my Texan friend. :P

I'm going to pull a statist trick and emphasize one word out of your entire statement.

What!? Being a Texan has nothing to do with my programming skills, you deluded fool!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 23, 2011, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 22, 2011, 11:58:44 AM
Sheesh, Obamatons...

1. Actually, that was a result of intelligence initiatives began during the Bush administration.

2. And replaced him with...?

3. A very mild hurricane which Wal-Mart and Home Depot had to pick up the slack from FEMA's bumbling.

4. Yeah, what's the unemployment rate again?

5. Dunkin? He didn't bring Krispy Kreme? He couldn't even get THAT right!

1-4: agreed.

he didn't bring Krispy kreme because he's a cheap bastard. I'm too dirt poor myself to get krispy kreme-at least get it for me (and everyone else)  >:(
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 23, 2011, 09:58:27 PM
oh boy, here's a doozy. found it today, when I finally noticed Shane's vid on 9/11 (the follow up):

it's from a guy named ahbilash sth or other.

Quote@shanedk Arabs do not live in free nations, nations where people are free to express their opinions and reporters are free to report on them. You are quoting Reem Al-Faisal but you wouldn't quote me if I said what I think the opinions of Arabs are. Reem Al Faisal doesn't live or report from a free country. You cannot presume that she or the people she is reporting on are freely expressing themselves. Reem Al Faisal is from Saudi Arabia. Remember that.

where do I even begin?

[spoiler]first off, in order to understand the rest of what I have to say, I need to point out something, in case anyone doesn't know: I am an Arab-a Palestinian one. it matters here, since it colors my understanding of the situation (so yeah, I admit my biases in advance):


yeah, most Arab countries are far from free. yeah, freedom of speech is limited in most Arab countries. but that's just about where his OK line (it's not even accurate) is correct, and the rest is flat out Bullshit:

1- Even if she were (IIRC she ain't) in Al-Arabiyyah (a Saudi based agency), and is Saudi, by his logic she would have been in Jail by now, since Saudi Arabia's government supports the United States. so not only is what he said a non-sequitur, it also proves that he must be retarded mentally-even babies, the micro-cephalic, and the Autistic could figure that out.

2-yes, most Arabs absolutely hate the United States; and they hate it for exactly the reason Ron Paul and others (including Shane and Virgil) say they hate it: they are fed up with the US meddling in their affairs, killing them, putting bases in among them, propping up dictators, etc. why this clown never bothered to actually ask an Arab in Person, in a part of the world more to his liking (like some shit hole country in Europe), is beyond me.

now, I add this part, since I'm sure that's what he really thinks is the motivation of Terrorists:

while religion-specifically Islam-plays a role, it works differently from how some out there think it does. Islam doesn't really ask people to kill others just for being different (yeah, I know, hard to believe). applying this fact to the present, it becomes clear that no one is attacking America for being Christian demographically, or for it's liberties. it does say that it is the duty of every Muslim to fight aggressors, oppressors, and the unjust-it's a direct Qur'anic injunction, what is termed a "Fard 'Ayin" and to strive to improve the world, physically and spiritually-especially for Muslims. this is the essence of Jihad: the idea that action (or effort-the literal meaning of the term) could help improve the world. and yes, it does in part involve military effort-though for the above mentioned reasons (ideally).

And of course going from there, it is very easy to see why people in the Muslim world are receptive to Bin Laden's message: not out of the desire to terrorize non-Muslims for having liberty (or even being non-Muslim), but to fight back against what many perceive to be the injustice, tyranny, oppression, and hypocrisy of the US (a perception born out to them by America's foreign policy). In short, it is used to add to the legitimacy of the terrorists' grievances, and give emotional and spiritual weight to their actions (and those of non terrorist Arab Muslims as well). it's even used to justify what Islam itself forbids, like direct killing of the unarmed (civilians in particular, but also the POW beheadings): the argument is that the US people supported Bush and his policies by voting him in, thereby they are part of the govt. and from there, supporters and members of the Armed forces of the US-a non-sequituur yes, but that's how I've seen it justified-for example by a leader of Yemen's al-qaeda branch. (I can't find the video sadly enough; he wore glasses, white dishdashe and kufiyye, thick kinky-curly dark beard, trimmed moustache, dark skin (not black though) -interview was in Arabic  :( )

does that of course excuse the terrorists? no. Does it mean Islam is perfect, and that there aren't Muslims who attack (or have) non-Muslims for being so? no-the opposite is clearly the case. but you start to see its genuine role in the whole debacle, at least with the average Arab, or even Average terrorists.[/spoiler]


sorry for the long rant. I had to get it out of my system. I just hate it when an opens his mouth on what he doesn't know. I would have replied to him, but with YT's silly 500 character limit, it's hard to do so and be accurate.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 23, 2011, 10:36:32 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 23, 2011, 09:58:27 PMSorry for the long rant. I had to get it out of my system. I just hate it when an opens his mouth on what he doesn't know. I would have replied to him, but with YT's silly 500 character limit, it's hard to do so and be accurate.

Eh, most of the regular posters here have posted far longer.  I'm sure you're fine in that regard. :)
As for YouTube, you can always post them in multiple comments, but that can get tedious and annoying, especially if they reply to you as you're in the middle of posting them, making things very hard to follow.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 23, 2011, 11:07:40 PM
yeah, that's basically it: I feel that if I am to reply to a person on YT, I should try to keep it within a single comment. the longest I posted was just 3 comments-usually to quote someone else. putting my own points in multiple posts just increases the ease at which I can be taken out of context-by accident or quote-mining. I remember some moron who did that when I tried to explain evolution to him early on on YT. learned my lesson then and there.

and I rarely PM on there either, since If I'm to discuss a point, it should ideally be public. that way abuse is more easily caught and exposed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 28, 2011, 02:53:57 PM
well, I have come back from the Fail Safari, and I nabbed me a few trophies:


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now the video itself is...ok. it's not the fail per Se. after-all, O'Reilly is a piece of shit.


no, it's the comments below that are the location of the fail (I made bold the super stupid part):


Quote from: some idiot named jaccoburbachAmerica is falling behind further and further, soon China will be leading, and the Republicans are helping this development, by only saying: no more taxes, Washington is sopending too much. Just to please the people who cannot think further then one day with stupid oneliners, slowly destroying their so acclaimed "land of the free" in the process....sigh....we have pity with the ignorant Americans who cannot see this and will eventually help to turn the USA in a third world country.

yes, let us forget that the Democrats are little different, are also taking part in suppressing our freedoms (Obama did retain the Patriot act after-all), cutting taxes without cutting spending, and deploying hundreds of thousands of servicemen overseas. yeah, and while at it, let's ignore the deleterious effects of the 14.6 trillion dollar national debt we have racked up, or the high tax burden-we aren't spending too much, or taxing too much.

and yeah, this loser is European-Dutch. and yes, he's clearly a liberal or a statist. surprised?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 28, 2011, 08:19:28 PM
I have no idea if this was posted when these videos first came out, but a few years ago dprjones did a series of videos called "Letter to America" in which he defends the NHS and universal health care.

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He comes off rather half assed here. He defends the NHS, but at the same time claims that this debate is for Americans only. Not to mention for the most part, he is picking on Hannity, which is like picking on a child.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 30, 2011, 10:39:52 PM
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Skip ahead to the second letter at 5:05.

I love TotalBiscuit but he tragically falls into the same myth of "game developers make Australia wait longer for games because they're meanies."
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm quite sure this is 100% false.  The reason why Australia waits longer for games is because they have ridiculously strict import laws and it just takes developers that long to climb Mt Bureaucracy to get past them.  Especially bad when he says they do it for money.  Really?  Withholding things from consumers makes more money?  Go ask Sega how well that worked out for them why don't you?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 01, 2011, 06:26:01 PM
Every single word of red text in this thread:  https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=890
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 01, 2011, 08:21:46 PM
I talked about this issue in my Idiot Extraordinaire thread, but after looking at more clips from Letterman, he has exceeded douchebaggery that I thought only Bill Maher could go. Bill Maher, while he did make snide jokes, didn't get anywhere NEAR as bad as Letterman did. Letterman nearly gets to the point of bullying.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 01, 2011, 11:43:24 PM
Quote from: D on October 01, 2011, 08:21:46 PM
I talked about this issue in my Idiot Extraordinaire thread, but after looking at more clips from Letterman, he has exceeded douchebaggery that I thought only Bill Maher could go. Bill Maher, while he did make snide jokes, didn't get anywhere NEAR as bad as Letterman did. Letterman nearly gets to the point of bullying.

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I wouldn't call this fail. I would call this douchebaggery.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 02, 2011, 01:49:13 PM
QuoteThe absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I hate that god damned quote. Religitards use it all the time.

Sorry, if you can't provide evidence, I have no reason to believe your claim. Simple as that.

[Fixed quote --MrB]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 02, 2011, 03:26:00 PM
Quote from: D on October 02, 2011, 01:49:13 PMSorry, if you can't provide evidence, I have no reason to believe your claim. Simple as that.

Not to mention the fact that absence of evidence ABSOLUTELY IS evidence of absence, when you look where the evidence should be and it isn't there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 02, 2011, 04:40:59 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 02, 2011, 03:26:00 PM
Not to mention the fact that absence of evidence ABSOLUTELY IS evidence of absence, when you look where the evidence should be and it isn't there.

that is indeed the case, though I would argue (facetiously), that it's better to have no evidence of sth where it ought to be, then to have that very evidence, where it ought not to be.

ok, so it is a cynical reference to a recent incident with one of my subscriptions (Dawahfilms), but you get the idea. needless to say, it left me seriously disturbed-and a little bit wiser.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 05, 2011, 08:39:52 AM
TCupUK in these comments: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=-9ZAEUyBATw

If he's not one of those League of Reason yahoos, he'd fit in very well there!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 05, 2011, 01:39:31 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 05, 2011, 08:39:52 AM
TCupUK in these comments: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=-9ZAEUyBATw

If he's not one of those League of Reason yahoos, he'd fit in very well there!

he would.

the first comment in particular made me laugh:

Quote1:03 Mass is a measure of matter. Weight is a measure of force.

We weigh less on the moon in KG, or (N) but our mass remains the same.

100 kg measure in (N) on earth would = 980 newtons. The conversion is 9,8 to convert KG in to (N). Fact! fact! fact!

he just contradicted himself: kg is in fact the unit of mass, yet at the same time he is saying that it changes, depending on the location. so is mass synonymous with weight, or is it indeed the measure of mass?

and of course, converting kg to newtons is not done that way. it is simply F=m.a, with a being gravitational accelaration. it only happens to be 9.8 m/s^2 on Earth. of course, he only needed to watch your video, or if he was so set against you, just crack up a physics book: it's not going to say anything different.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 05, 2011, 02:15:37 PM
Full of fail: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/libertarians_and_partisanship.html

Context: He's responding to claims from Reason Magazine writers that he's "partisan."

Examples:

"Obviously, being a conservative or a liberal makes you far more likely to agree with one party most of the time. It's important, though, to distinguish between ideological agreement and partisanship. My views tend to place me close to the center of the Democratic Party. I'm in favor of universal health care, education reform, more progressive taxation, lower deficits, hawkish internationalism—the principles generally advanced by figures like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama."

Um, sorry Chait, but it's neither one. Partisanship applies equally well to someone blindly following the PRINCIPLES behind a party even when individual members of that party--including the party leadership--go against them. What makes one not be a partisan is not whether he blindly follows the people or the principles, but that he blindly follows either one, as opposed to reaching his conclusion from a rational examination of reality.

Why do you think they called their magazine "Reason"?

"It's certainly true that libertarians are not going to be partisan. Yet the mere fact that your views are too marginal to find representation in a political party does not make them independent."

Um, yeah, it does! In fact, it's hard to get any more independent than that! Besides, he seems to be saying that there's something wrong with Libertarians because our views are "marginal." Which must mean that more mainstream views are ipso facto more acceptable--isn't that just further evidence of his partisanship?

"If you're going to automatically oppose any military intervention, new spending programs, or regulation, and automatically favor every tax cut, you're hardly unbound by dogma."

Let's rephrase it a bit: "If you're going to automatically oppose any act of mass murder, theft of money, or prohibitions on peaceful people trying to find work, you're hardly unbound by dogma." Seems to me he has a peculiar definition of what "dogma" is! Apparently, to him, dogmatists are people who don't use newspeak.

Major fail alert: "In the same way, communists, UFO conspiracy theorists and followers of Lyndon LaRouche are very non-partisan, but this doesn't tell you anything terribly flattering about their ability to think for themselves." But wait, I though you were trying to claim that you WERE non-partisan? Now it seems like you're trying to defend being partisan! Which is it, Chait?

And he ends with the inevitable deflection: "People like Welch and Gillespie want their readers to judge arguments by using the heuristic of which person is more "partisan," as opposed to which makes the more compelling and intellectually honest case. Their motivation for doing so is obvious."

Maybe they think that you're partisan BECAUSE you don't make the more compelling and intellectually honest case! Ever thought about that, Chait?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 05, 2011, 06:57:26 PM
In the comments of Shane's "Are you a libertarian?" video, this comment:

"No, as I'm not a fucking moron."--maersklandro

More douchebag than fail, but I think it deserved mention for being a nice, concise fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 06, 2011, 12:14:07 PM
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Pat Condell: DEY JUST DUN LYK JEWZ.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 07, 2011, 07:55:21 PM
Quote from: RanillonThe basic premise of this video is fundamentally flawed. Libertarians always rail against the government for supposedly curtaining "liberty" through economics, but then seem oblivious to the fact that individuals and corportations can abuse economics just as badly. It's really amazing how they are so paranoid about the gov and so naive about big business. Libertarians are really just communists who have replaced "big government" with "big business." Real liberty means balancing between both.

That comment was in this video:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 11, 2011, 07:59:24 PM
When asked about the legal issues with the social contract, what's ol' Billburns got?

"@lordthawkeye

Your stance on these issues is childish - always has been. The SC is no different to private contracts. This inconvenient fact isn't going to change however much you stamp your feet and shout NOT FAIR.

I'm done with you - get back to your computer games"

Craven, fascist gas bag...
Fuck you Billburns.  You make VenomfangX look clever.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on October 12, 2011, 06:26:23 PM
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Starts with, "Its the government's job to protect the people" and goes full speed ahead
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 12, 2011, 06:58:37 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on October 12, 2011, 06:26:23 PM
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Starts with, "Its the government's job to protect the people" and goes full speed ahead
Check out HowTheWorldWorks critique to it.  It's far from perfect--a C- to Lord T Hawkeye's A+, but it's still better than the F- that is "The Story of Stuff".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 12, 2011, 09:35:51 PM
This is a bit old now, but I the fail is just so strong that it has to be posted:

I do warn you ahead of time though that this fail contains Janeane Garofalo so be warned.
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By the way, if this was posted already....well it deserves to be posted again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 13, 2011, 07:30:55 PM
From steelhamster on Shane's latest video:
"I'm scratching my head, do the libertarians REALLY think the government is the Great Satan?

They are all bought and paid for by corporations and special interests such as the Koch Brothers.

The fallacy that government decides anything without consulting their paymasters is rather insulting.

Libertarians and those on the left should be actively trying to get back their government, so it truly is of the people."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2011, 09:41:13 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 14, 2011, 11:57:41 AM
"Nearly all human activities, such as trucking, lighting, or construction, cost the lives of some innocent bystanders. We do not give up these activities, because the advantages, moral or material, outweigh the unintended losses. Analogously, for those who think the death penalty just, miscarriages of justice are offset by the moral benefits and the usefulness of doing justice." - Ernest van den Haag "The Ultimate Punishment"

In fact, this whole video is fail:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 14, 2011, 08:18:56 PM
This was posted on another forum I go to....just read it for yourself...

QuoteThis question spawned during my debate concerning original sin.

The question at hand is what would be best described as "selective spirituality"- the belief in God on the basis of the Bible, but rejecting organized religion's interpretation of it, as well as being selective concerning which ideas from the bible are acceptable, and which are not (for ex: for universal love, but also accepting homosexuality, which the bible is against).

I OPPOSE this claim. I believe that many ideas in the bible have been perverted by religion, to the extend that even atheists have a hard time finding any other interpretation except the one proposed by organized religion.

The topic is homosexuality. I will begin with the verses found in the bible concerning homosexuality:

Leviticus 18:22 - Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

Leviticus 18:29 (concerning the quote above) - Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people.

Here we have clearly that the punishment for homosexuality is not death, but merely social exclusion

But: We have this following quote

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads

So, we obviously have a contradiction here. The difference is, the second quote goes directly against other parts of the bible, like love, forgivness and a little thing called THOU SHALL NOT KILL!!!

So I have 2 questions:

1. Why choose to follow the second, and not the first quote? Especially when the second contradicts other parts of the bible?

2. Are there any possible interpretations of the meaning of the term homosexuality? And can "death" merely points to a severity of crime, not an extreme punishment?

You have to make a difference between homosexual love and homosexuality as an act. In the past, homosexuality was a life style, and was freely practiced in the ancient world. The actual point being made is that homosexual acts as part of a social aspect, without any natural inclinations, were the highest form of seeking worldy pleasures, which in turn inhibits seeking spirtual ones.

In short, God is not against homosexual love or homosexual acts between homosexuals. He is against the willingness to submit to the flesh instead of spirtual development. This should be discussed in the debate, as ancient cultures were the ones that created ethics and philosophy.

We have a hint of this in the few mentionings of homosexuality in the New testament:

Romans 1: 26-28 - Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.


Bear in mind this quote from Matthew 19:8 - Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.

Which further points to the fact that the interpretation of the verses that homosexuals should be killed is invalid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 17, 2011, 10:38:49 AM
Lots of fail from AT&T in regards to their new monthly data caps: https://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB410213&cv=801&title=Tips+for+managing+your+monthly+Broadband+Internet+data+usage#fbid=6RRMvylFhbV

Examples:

QuoteMost online video providers are now providing the option of viewing videos in either Standard or High Definition. Rather than always selecting High Definition, you should carefully consider each video that you download to decide if you truly need the highest quality. Make sure everyone in your household who downloads video content is making this consideration as well.

Yes, because we wouldn't actually want to move FORWARD into the 21st Century! 1960s resolution should be enough for anybody...

QuoteCarefully choose the most appropriate method of communication

Nowadays, consumers communicate using a wide variety of methods. Text messaging uses the least amount of data, and is the best way to communicate in some situations. Voice-over-IP, or VOIP, is a method of voice communication using your Broadband Internet connection which uses more data that text but not as much as video. Finally, video conferencing is a great way to have virtual face-to-face communications, but is also the method of communication that uses the most data.

So in your day-to-day communications, select the most appropriate method and use those methods that require more data only when it enhances the experience. And if you do choose to communicate using a webcam, consider using Standard Definition to minimize your data usage.

Right, because humans aren't social animals or anything like that. All this "personal connection with other people" is just outdated sentimentality. (I think I now understand why their customer support is so lousy!)

QuoteThe Internet provides an easy way to quickly transfer various types of data over long distances. But you need to be knowledgeable about how these programs work and how much data you are transferring. For example, bit torrents have become a popular way of quickly transferring large files. As you begin downloading a file, you also begin sharing, or uploading, that portion of the file that you've received for other users to download. And once you've completed your file download, you begin offering up, or seeding, that file to any other users who would like to download it from you.

The file will be available to outside users as long as you leave the program running, so it is vital that you understand all of the options for how you share content using these programs and how to properly shut them down when you no longer intend to share content.

Right, because sharing ISN'T caring after all. Anyone detect a hidden motive here?

Of course there's the one they deliberately left out: "Understand that you have to have your service with us because we're a monopoly and your local government has legally prohibited any competitors from coming in and offering any better service, so you'll just have to bend over and take things on our terms or do without. God bless America!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 17, 2011, 01:35:44 PM
Posted Shane's graph about the rich paying taxes on Facebook. Got a reply from my cousin:

"It's more about percentage, less about amounts..."

/facepalm
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 17, 2011, 02:36:32 PM
And she doesn't think that tiny little bars for the lower 4 quintiles compared to a gigantic bar for the 5th doesn't speak to percentages?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 17, 2011, 02:43:32 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 17, 2011, 02:36:32 PM
And she doesn't think that tiny little bars for the lower 4 quintiles compared to a gigantic bar for the 5th doesn't speak to percentages?

You should see what my other cousin put....

"It also has quite a bit to do with the fact that many large banks and corporations pay no taxes, yet school teachers are being "laid off" and public libraries are being shut down because they cost the country too much money."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 17, 2011, 03:08:52 PM
I got a reply from the cousin that initially responded. Warning, what you are about to read contains massive failure.

"How do they show percentages? For example, someone in the middle class may pay 30% of their income to taxes, whereas someone in the upper class may only pay 15%. Etc., etc."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 17, 2011, 03:40:18 PM
From the CBO report, the percentages for each quintile (lowest to highest) are: -2.8, -0.8, 4.4, 12.9, 86.3

And that's the percentage of their income that is actually collected by the IRS, actual dollars that actually go into the actual treasury.

That's for Income Tax. For all Federal taxes combined it's: 0.8, 4.1, 9.1, 16.5, 69.3
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 17, 2011, 03:49:25 PM
Quote from: D on October 14, 2011, 08:18:56 PM
This was posted on another forum I go to....just read it for yourself...

that leviticus passage isn't quite what it seems really: there is actually a pretty good series on that verse by ItsTheSuperfly regarding it.

having said that, the rest of the quote is fail. (and of course even that part is fail, since the guy clearly never researched this).

it's a common tendency unfortunately: Shane might remember this, but there was one guy who called me a moron, because I pointed out to him that the Australopithecus "Lucy" was not forged in any way in regards to her femur. when I pointed out to him how his claim was unfounded (again), and cynically remarked that he wouldn't have made Jesus Proud (see Matthew 5:22), he tried to tell me that because I was an Atheist, I am a moron according to Psalms. (talking about not reading your bible).

that's the kind of stupid I run into myself. And of course, he made a judgement that was totally unfounded, by in effect assuming I as an Atheist (I'm not-never have been), so he's already contradicted Jesus twice-according to his own gospel. he simply has no excuse.

of course, I can see now why people say if you read the bible, you actually are more likely to become an Atheist (or just not being Christian).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 19, 2011, 10:08:56 PM
My step cousin posted this fail on Facebook. Ugh.

(http://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/301147_211810808885436_102673803132471_507088_46045817_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 19, 2011, 10:45:42 PM
So who's forcing her to?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 19, 2011, 11:04:28 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 19, 2011, 10:45:42 PM
So who's forcing her to?

It's a "he" actually. If anyone is forcing him to learn a second language, it would be the high school he goes to, since 2 years of a foreign language is a requirement to graduate, that being said however, that's no excuse to post something blatantly ignorant at its best and blatantly racist at its worst.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 26, 2011, 07:40:47 AM
I'm going to posit a documentary recently put on Netflix called "The Price of Pleasure". What's it about? Well...

http://www.redgarterclub.com/SDChronBlog2dot5/about/ernest-greene-reviews-price-of-pleasure-1/
http://www.redgarterclub.com/SDChronBlog2dot5/ernest-greene-debunks-the-price-of-pleasure-part-two/
http://www.redgarterclub.com/SDChronBlog2dot5/ernest-greene-debunks-the-price-of-pleasure-part-three/
http://www.redgarterclub.com/SDChronBlog2dot5/ernest-greene-debunks-the-price-of-pleasure-part-four/

Here's a deconstruction of the documentary by one of the interviewees who got the Michael Moore treatment that permeates the film. I'm also thinking about nominating it for the 'Biggest Bogon Emitter' award.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 26, 2011, 07:52:55 AM
I got confused: are those links supposed to be the fail, or are they the responce to the fail?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 26, 2011, 09:34:28 AM
Quote from: VectorM on October 26, 2011, 07:52:55 AM
I got confused: are those links supposed to be the fail, or are they the responce to the fail?

They're the response to the fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on October 28, 2011, 11:00:17 PM
From my favorite illuminutty young earth creationist. You've probably seen him as DebateRobo, DebateCrusher, DebateFighter, MyOpinionV, DeltaVortex and probably a 100 other accounts. Combined he is just referred to as debatefailure.

"By the way, your birth certificate number can be looked up on the internet, and you can locate it on the stock exchange. When you were born you were bonded a million dollars with an increase of value on every year. You birth certificate number could only be on the Stock exchange if you could be traded and eventually purchased. Maybe that's why China has purchased US government bonds. "

There is a bottomless pit of reasons why this statement is stupid and crazy. Of course if you share any of them you're a shill of Obama and trying to help the satanic catholic church and illuminutty NWO kill off 95% of the Earths population. I wish this was an exaggeration of his position.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 04, 2011, 09:16:33 PM
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You know, it's easy to suggest that we should continue to be the world's police force when you are living in a mansion in Bermuda and don't have to go yourself....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 05, 2011, 01:34:15 AM
Quote from: D on November 04, 2011, 09:16:33 PM
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You know, it's easy to suggest that we should continue to be the world's police force when you are living in a mansion in Bermuda and don't have to go yourself....

you know, that guy needs a great big glass of "shut the **** up".

what more needs to be said?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 05, 2011, 07:52:18 AM
If they can pay for our troops to be there, why can't they pay for their own troops to be there?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 05, 2011, 04:53:41 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 05, 2011, 07:52:18 AM
If they can pay for our troops to be there, why can't they pay for their own troops to be there?

because they don't have money for either.

of course, good luck trying to knock sense into that hypocritical shirker.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 07, 2011, 01:44:23 PM
I posted the 19 questions and my answers on another forum and got this response.

Warning, full of complete bogosity and missing the point.

QuoteHalf way read it but sorry the whole " if my neighbor lost everything and I didn't fuck him I don't need to help him because he made a bad decision."

Sorry D . That is is very ignorant I don't care that attitude is what capitalism gas led to and it's has cause many lost of lives and 2% of the nation owning 90% of the nations wealth .

You should be more concern about your fellow man and don't confuse this with socialism or communism this how society should work . If someone made a bad decision ,which can Happen to anybody even you , why should his entire life and family be screwed over ? It's seems to me capitalism encourages greed with a never ending fulfillment which lead to people doing what they must regardless of who they step all over.

This is more of a society problem than a government one. If I become homeless and you did nothing to help me and we been neighbors and friends for 10 years . Then 2 year I got back on my feet but you lost your job an everything why should I help you ? See it's a never ending cycle sure there are exceptions to what I am saying.

I am not down for any selfish decision or any decision that will help out the lazy .
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 08, 2011, 08:23:31 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19195_7-simple-questions-you-wont-believe-science-just-answered.html
#7 seems to be a fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 09, 2011, 06:38:20 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on November 08, 2011, 08:23:31 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19195_7-simple-questions-you-wont-believe-science-just-answered.html
#7 seems to be a fail.

Indeed. The question is not, "Which came first, the chicken or the eggSHELL?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 11, 2011, 07:03:31 AM
A Facebook friend (now UNfriended!):

"I'm tired of hearing about Joe Pedophilio & Jerry 'Til-the-Break-of-Dusky at Boys with Menn-State. Even more annoying is that, as with the Catholic church scandal, the media refuses to point out the role of homosexuality at the center of the issue. People can't seem to get it through their heads that destroying your families & queering your children is the goal of the gay agenda."

Pedophilia and homosexuality ARE NOT THE SAME THING!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 11, 2011, 08:02:06 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 11, 2011, 07:03:31 AM
A Facebook friend (now UNfriended!):

"I'm tired of hearing about Joe Pedophilio & Jerry 'Til-the-Break-of-Dusky at Boys with Menn-State. Even more annoying is that, as with the Catholic church scandal, the media refuses to point out the role of homosexuality at the center of the issue. People can't seem to get it through their heads that destroying your families & queering your children is the goal of the gay agenda."

Pedophilia and homosexuality ARE NOT THE SAME THING!

Ugh, you can ask LordTHawkeye that I've been generally pissed off about this whole Penn State fiasco in the first place, but that is just downright pathetic.

Reminds me of this actually:
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Yes, that IS former professional wrestler "The Ultimate Warrior" speaking at UConn. Why they let him in, I'll never know.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on November 13, 2011, 01:33:10 PM
From my favorite Illuminutty conspiracist and young earth creationist Debatefailure. This is him suggesting there is experimental evidence of Noah's flood. Where was this experiment conducted? Planet Nibiru.

"ImpriusPuppy says with self asserted authority that all coastal life in the sea would be destroyed in a global flood. How does he know? Secret testing of artificially induced coastal floods on planet X have produced the results. With water life imported on the secret planet X and artificially caused floods - produced the truth. That given a flood all coastal life would be destroyed. These are documented in top secret documents. "

This is him addressing the claim that Noah's Ark would need to be impossibly large.

"As someone who has literally gone through the Audoban books counting the families of animals, I can say with authority that the number of animals needed to be on the Ark is quite small. I counted around 80 North American land mammals that had to be on the Ark. The claim that millions of species had to be on the Ark is false. Why don't you go to your local library and do the research? It might help. "
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 15, 2011, 02:28:52 PM
Damn, I just remembered somebody replying to a comment of mine on YouTube and claiming that total government control of the economy (and hence Fascism) is RIGHT-WING, and now I can't find the damn thing...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 18, 2011, 06:54:45 PM
"The Common Good trumps individual self-interest" -- 3:00 in; the protestor's poster (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPZZ5o1nY2M)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 18, 2011, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: D on November 11, 2011, 08:02:06 AM
Ugh, you can ask LordTHawkeye that I've been generally pissed off about this whole Penn State fiasco in the first place, but that is just downright pathetic.

Reminds me of this actually:
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Yes, that IS former professional wrestler "The Ultimate Warrior" speaking at UConn. Why they let him in, I'll never know.

oh boy-him?

dude, don't be surprised this guy would say something fail. you should see him when he was wrestling.

actually, screw it, I won't even try to let you imagine:

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2009/05/21/atop-the-fourth-wall-warrior-1/

watch, and enjoy the torrential fail that is, and I'm not anywhere near making this up, the warrior comic. yes, there is such a thing. in fact, four issues, all of which have been reviewed by the above people. while the video is a comedic piece, the fail from Warrior is sufficient to warrant its presence in this thread.

God I hate it when he even opens his mouth...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on November 20, 2011, 12:59:06 AM
"Without revenue, we will never solve the problem by giving tax cuts to the wealthy while supporting two foreign wars,"

Charles Fink former AOL executive and producer.

I've heard a lot of comments like that, but this one is especially fail given the fact that the obvious solution is in the quote itself. Don't support two foreign wars (+ a lot of other semi-related military aggression).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on November 20, 2011, 01:06:46 AM
Here's another from the same article. http://news.yahoo.com/patriotic-millionaires-beg-supercommittee-higher-taxes-185620525.html (http://news.yahoo.com/patriotic-millionaires-beg-supercommittee-higher-taxes-185620525.html)

" The current economic system is not broken, but it is working on behalf of those who designed it in their favor."

Robert Johnson, former chief economist of the U.S Senate banking committee and millionaire.

This one is kind of funny, because he could arguably be one of "those who designed it in their favor", and since he is suggesting tax increases there is no reason to believe he is not still doing it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 20, 2011, 06:53:46 AM
Quote from: Goaticus on November 20, 2011, 01:06:46 AMThis one is kind of funny, because he could arguably be one of "those who designed it in their favor", and since he is suggesting tax increases there is no reason to believe he is not still doing it.

Basic tactic of politics: accuse the opposition of what you yourself are doing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 20, 2011, 06:11:23 PM
Reminds me of this one Economist working for the government.
He was on the news and said that the USA's economy won't get better until Europe's economy improves.
Of course that just begs the question of what would it take to improve Europe's economy.  He went on about the USA having a constitution, while Europe doesn't.

1.  Europe isn't a country, so it makes sense they wouldn't have a Constitution.  You'd have to worry about a Constitution for each individual European Nation.
2.  Because that's done such wonders for the USA atm, right? *rolls eyes*
3.  How then, would he explain the USA's economy after WWII? The rest of the world's economy was in the shitter, having to rebuild and all, while the USA soared past everyone.  By his logic, we should have stayed in the economic shitter along with them, and only recovered as they recovered.  Yet it didn't happen.
Funny how that works out...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on November 20, 2011, 06:37:21 PM
One thing I wish they would teach in High School is the Principal/ Agent problem, and then apply that to any discussion about Government activity.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 22, 2011, 08:40:16 PM
Desertphile in this video's comments:

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Honestly, I don't know what his problem is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on November 22, 2011, 09:30:54 PM
I notice you didn't give him any room to start the fight he clearly wanted.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on November 22, 2011, 10:23:08 PM
What is Desertphile's deal? Figure a guy like him would like 3rd party candidates. Granted I don't think I've watched one of his videos in over a year.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 22, 2011, 10:47:12 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on November 22, 2011, 10:23:08 PM
What is Desertphile's deal? Figure a guy like him would like 3rd party candidates. Granted I don't think I've watched one of his videos in over a year.

If I was being charitable, I'd say he's stuck in 'crotchety old man' mode.

Since I'm feeling more analytical, I'd say he's more likely stuck in the same mode of non-thinking that WildwoodClaire1 usually is when it comes to politics and economics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 23, 2011, 02:23:13 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 22, 2011, 08:40:16 PM
Honestly, I don't know what his problem is.

he's being a jerk, to put it mildly? just a suggestion.

my advice would be to ignore him. he's clearly asking for a fight.

and while we are at failing, here is a gem:

Quote from: some Swede (?) who doesn't know what he's talking aboutpaying taxes is part of the agreement, living in a representative democracy. And you have a choice not to. I have a friend who chose not to.

I get to live in a high functioning society for the cost of xxxx tax dollars. I still would like to keep my money.

I get a flask of milk for the cost of xxxx dollars. I still would like to keep my money
.

here's my reply (that stupid 500 char. limit is annoying):

Quotepaying taxes is part of the agreement"

never agreed to it. even voting in a rep. "democracy".

"And you have a choice not to. I have a friend who chose not to."

not sure how it works in Europe, but this isn't how it works in the US or any other place I've lived in. Govt. usually has you arrested and jailed for tax evasion.

and herein lay the problem with your last part: in much of the world, you DON'T have a choice in regards to paying taxes-once a tax law is passed-it's not like buying milk.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 25, 2011, 09:09:50 PM
"X were just doing their job."
Where "X" is the military, the police, etc, etc, etc.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 25, 2011, 09:13:53 PM
"Moral competence belongs in lawmaking, not in administration."

A guy on another forum I go to said this when I posted the walnut story.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 25, 2011, 09:21:49 PM
"I was spanked as a child and I turned out OK."

I was gang raped as a baby and I turned out OK.
See what I did there?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on November 26, 2011, 01:00:12 AM
A fellow by the name of CraigMetalHead has accrued a few fail quotes on the comments (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=SE9vt6CryHo) of the video "How to Debunk a Libertarian" (which has its own fail quotes, but I digress). Here's the current tail end of the discussion.

Me: "why is it I'm the ignorant one, the "blind" [to his ideology], when you're not the one asking any questions?"

Craig: "Yes, the ignorant ask a lot of questions. They probably wont listen to the answer but they will question.

And since when did being blind have anything to do with asking questions? Blind does not equal dumb and as this is typed out dumb wouldnt even effect ones ability to ask questions.

And why would the person with all the answers ask questions? Rhetorical, of course. Now I dont have all the answers but in this circumstance, I dont have any questions.
"

I'm not even sure how to respond. Is it a logical fallacy to point out Galileo (asks questions) being silenced by the catholic church (claims to have all the answers), or similar situations?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 26, 2011, 10:12:18 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 28, 2011, 12:24:08 AM
I'm not sure if this belongs to the win or fail quotes section (it has a bit of both) I suppose; but being the jerk that I am, I put it here. . it's from a Government Science report by a member here, written in March 2008. no, it's not by one of the top members here.

it was directly copied from the original, without editing, as it was literally typed:

[spoiler]
"The new chairman took to the stand, and gave his thanks, babbling on  about how he vowed not to repeat the 2000 election, and thus have a good  nghts sleep. then th most senior member also spoke. load of A@#-she  kept saying that we must elect official because they must elevate the democratic party-notice no mention of country. Non of them did-at least that I heard...then it was on to the main event.."

"Williams (the chairman) said that 10 resolutions were proposed for  deliberation, and then began to read out the rules: title were to be  read, then the resolutions voted on. He was immediately assailed by the  others, who demanded that the full rules be read, all 2 pages per  resolution average. the motion was nominated (why nominated I have no  clue-just vote for it) and approved. Then several poeple to the left  side of the room, apparently a group of Hicks, spoke out, demanding a  resolution to simpify the resolution-at which a group of more democrats  retorted, saying, that they needed to pass a resolution that banned  poeple from voting who can't get the English used..."

"resolution 2: reforming the the nomination process, whereby the Caucus  and convension would be scrapped. this caused an uproar. One man, a  ruddy person standing to the right-center of the room, spoke for it. Mr  Lang and an old rickety lady spoke out against it. the old lady was particularily vocal."

"resolution 4: use of the winner take all system: 1/2 the assembly asked  it be dropped, saying it was like the caucus dropping, but that turned  out to be incorrect (duh?). After a short, sharp debate (again ruddy guy  vs. Rickety lady), it was shot down..."

in the statistics epilogue: "many were poorly, or plainly dressed, sme  even looked like street urchins or bums, sporting unkept beards and  hair. Many were clearly uneducated, idealistic, or just plain not  republican. The meeting was disorganized, and it was hard to listen to  anything they said." also: "4-Opinianation: too high... many were  argumentative, over emotional, or just plain F%$&*ing stupid-looked  like a congregation of southern bptist ministers orr snake handlers or  something of that order. 5-Party discipline: they have discipline?"       
[/spoiler]

PS: I wrote it. this was after I went to a Democratic party convention, at 2AM in the morning. swore from that day on I'd never be a democrat.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 30, 2011, 10:11:38 PM
[yt]R2_hfdVFJ1E[/yt]
A sample from the video's description: "For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not believe, no explanation will suffice." Joseph Dunninger

Classy.
Where's James Randi when you need him?

*EDIT* And he disabled both comments and video ratings.  Why am I not surprised?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 08, 2011, 01:24:28 PM
[yt]0PAJNntoRgA[/yt]

QuoteI'm not ashamed to admit that I'm a Christian, but you don't need to be in the pew every Sunday to know there's something wrong in this country when gays can serve openly in the military but our kids can't openly celebrate Christmas or pray in school.
As President, I'll end Obama's war on religion. And I'll fight against liberal attacks on our religious heritage.
Faith made America strong. It can make her strong again.
I'm Rick Perry and I approve this message.

I love when these fundamentalist douchebags lie about children not being allowed to pray in school.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 08, 2011, 01:42:43 PM
My biggest reaction was to, "We're so oppressed! We're no longer allowed to force gays to stay in the closet!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2011, 08:53:36 PM
Every single (disgusting) pro-child beating comment in the comment section of this video: https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=j1GJsCa_4G8
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 13, 2011, 12:37:09 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on December 12, 2011, 08:53:36 PM
Every single (disgusting) pro-child beating comment in the comment section of this video: https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=j1GJsCa_4G8

I'm left shaking my head, and wondering what the hell.....those people are just damn clueless.

at any rate, since fail should never be confined to the European culture, here's an ancient one (it is in Arabic; I'll provide a translation (don't worry, I speak this as a first language)

[spoiler]
Quoteو داحس والغبراء هما اسما فرسين وقد كان " داحس" حصانا لقيس بن زهير من عبس، و" الغبراء" فرسا لحذيفة بن بدر من ذبيان. كان سبب الحرب هو سلب قافلة حجاج للمناذرة تحت حماية الذبيانيين مما سبب غضب النعمان بن المنذر وأوعز بحماية القوافل لقيس بن الزهير من عبس مقابل عطايا وشروط إشترطها ابن زهير ووافق النعمان عليها مما سبب الغيرة لدى بنى ذبيان، فخرج حذيفة مع مستشاره وأخيه حمل بن بدر وبعضا من أتباعه لعبس لمقابلة ابن زهير وتصادف أن كان يوم سباق للفرس. اتفق قيس وحذيفة على رهان على حراسة قوافل النعمان لمن يسبق من الفرسين.

كانت المسافة كبيرة تستغرق عدة أيام تقطع خلالها شعب صحراوية وغابات، أوعز حمل بن بدر من ذبيان لنفر من أتباعه يختبئوا في تلك الشعاب قائلا لهم: إذا وجدتم داحس متقدما على الغبراء في السباق فردوا وجهه كي تسبقه الغبراء فلما فعلوا تقدمت الغبراء. حينما تكشف الأمر بعد ذلك اشتعلت الحرب بين عبس وذبيان.

Quote from: translation"And Dahis and ghabra' are the two names of horses. Daahis was a horse for Qays ibn zuhayr of 'abs, and the ghabraa' was a horse for hudhayfah ibn badr of dhubyaan. The cause of the war was the pillaging of a caravan of lakhmid pilgrims under the protection of the dhubyanis, which angered al-nu'maan ibn al-mundhir*, so he entrusted the protection of the caravans to Qays ibn al-zuhayr of 'abs, in exchange for gifts and several conditions ibn zuhayr proposed and Nu'man approved, which caused jealousy to erupt among the banu dhubyaan, so hudhayfa left with his advisor and his brother haml ibn badr and some of his followers for 'abs. And this coincided with a day of horse racing. Qays an hudhayfah agreed to wager the guardianship of the Caravans to whichever horse beats the other in a race.

the distance was great, taking several days through which forests and desert chasms are traversed; at this, haml ibn badr entrusted  a handful of his followers to hide in one of the chasms telling them: "if you find the daahis ahead of ghabra' in the race, then turn its head so that the ghabraa' can outrace him". On doing this, the ghabraa' took the lead, and when this was found out, war erupted between 'Abs and dhubyaan"
[/spoiler]

this was in the 6th century by and by, but it is still fail, so I think it will work.

[spoiler]* for some odd reason, his name keeps getting used incorrectly; he did not reign until 580 AD, and the war was known to have lasted 40 years, until the 590's-605; the more likely king was mundhir ibn imru' al-qays, his father (r. 514-554 AD), or possibly even 'amr ibn al-mundhir, his oldest brother (r. 554-569 AD). oh, and the guy who wrote this apparently never paid attention to grammar or balaaghah, but that is another matter.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 14, 2011, 07:43:50 AM
Quote from: Goaticus on November 20, 2011, 06:37:21 PM
One thing I wish they would teach in High School is the Principal/ Agent problem, and then apply that to any discussion about Government activity.

What's the Principal/Agent Problem?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 14, 2011, 08:03:18 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on December 14, 2011, 07:43:50 AM
What's the Principal/Agent Problem?

It's a type of problem that comes up when one entity (the Principal) hires another entity (the Agent) to do something on behalf of the Principal that may not be in the best interests of the Agent.  Solutions are generally in the form of how the Agent's behavior can be governed by the Principal to ensure that the Agent does act in the best interests of the Principal, including how things like wages or other payment for services are structured (mostly to ensure that the Agents interests do become aligned with the Principal's interests).

Solving this problem is basic to all employment situations and also all government regulatory situations, as it is always the case in government regulation that (even in the cases of unelected governments) those who create the regulations are not the same people who actually enforce them, and so there is no inherent alignment of interests between members of the two groups.  In the case of elected governments, further complications arise in that the persons elected are only a small subset of the electors, and so there is no particular alignment of interests between the electors and the elected, and between the electors and the entire population (of whom some are invariably excluded from being electors).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on December 14, 2011, 09:59:34 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on December 13, 2011, 12:37:09 AM
I'm left shaking my head, and wondering what the hell.....those people are just damn clueless.

at any rate, since fail should never be confined to the European culture, here's an ancient one (it is in Arabic; I'll provide a translation (don't worry, I speak this as a first language)

[spoiler][/spoiler]

this was in the 6th century by and by, but it is still fail, so I think it will work.

[spoiler]* for some odd reason, his name keeps getting used incorrectly; he did not reign until 580 AD, and the war was known to have lasted 40 years, until the 590's-605; the more likely king was mundhir ibn imru' al-qays, his father (r. 514-554 AD), or possibly even 'amr ibn al-mundhir, his oldest brother (r. 554-569 AD). oh, and the guy who wrote this apparently never paid attention to grammar or balaaghah, but that is another matter.[/spoiler]

Just a quick question, but how hard is it to write in Arabic? I mean, I have trouble drawing simple shapes. I can't imagine being able to write that text out regularly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 15, 2011, 09:24:31 PM
I don't know if I could answer that question; It's just something I learned when I was a kid, much like you learned to write in English (well, Latin script adapted for English); I don't remember it being any harder really-just the opposite.

the best thing I can say is: practice. if you are interested in learning this.

and I hope you are writing this from right to left....doing it like in English would making way too hard. yes, quite a few Americans I know did this. don't ask why...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on December 16, 2011, 02:18:08 PM
I wrote a post for a blog that got promoted to its front page. However, the guy who promoted it made several major edits that changed the tone of the entire article. I changed several of the edits back to make the post once again reflect the tone I wanted it to. I returned a hour later to see the post was taken down and this warning message

QuoteIf a post gets edited and promoted, there's a reason it's done. And it's not for you to change it back. Congrats on never making the front page again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 16, 2011, 07:13:48 PM
What a douche.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 16, 2011, 08:58:23 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on December 16, 2011, 02:18:08 PM
I wrote a post for a blog that got promoted to its front page. However, the guy who promoted it made several major edits that changed the tone of the entire article. I changed several of the edits back to make the post once again reflect the tone I wanted it to. I returned a hour later to see the post was taken down and this warning message

you should write an article in your own blog, and send it to him, and let him know your thoughts....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 16, 2011, 09:36:33 PM
What was the article and how did he change it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on December 16, 2011, 09:48:11 PM
Edits in Italics

FanPost edited and promoted to the front page by CagesideSeats.com.

After tossing around a few ideas, I thought I would give my own spin on the well worn topic that is WCW's fall from grace. I'm sure most of you will know what will lie ahead, but I have a few personal items that I rarely see mentioned, and hopefully I'll give it enough of my own spin to make it seem fresh.
You could choose 1,000 moments, but let's just make it the Top 10

With that in mind, let's start the countdown with one of WCW's worst attempts at a bait and switch.

Star-divide

It's May 1998 (damn I feel old just typing that) and the Monday Night War is at its peak. In April 1998, Monday Night Raw finally bested Nitro in the ratings for the first time in over a year and a half. However, the ratings would go back and forth throughout the summer and fall until Raw would take the lead spot for good in Nov. 1998.

Both sides came out swinging during this time in an effort to get people watching. One of the more infamous moments was when the DX Army (HHH, Chyna, X-Pac, and The New Age Outlaws) "invaded" Nitro on April 27 1998.

Following that, DX do a similar "invasion" outside of WCW's headquarters in Atlanta and another Nitro.

All of this prompted Eric Bischoff to issue a challenge for Vince McMahon, which was for the two of them to have a match at Slamboree 1998 to settle the score.

Now, anyone with half a brain knew there was no way Vinny Mac was going to show up on a WCW pay-per-view (PPV) to help out their buyrate, but WCW kept promoting it like there was a legitimate chance of it happening. Instead, what paying fans got was Michael Buffer saying "Vincent K. McMahon" a few times before Bischoff ordered a 10 count and to be declared the winner.It would be the last real success WCW had

All of this would become the hallmark of WCW's dying days. Promising the world while before delivering cheap stunts to the increasingly smaller paying crowds. In addition, you only have to take a look at the rest of the Slamboree '98 card to realize what will be another common thread in this series: WCW treating its PPVs as secondary to the Monday Night ratings battle.

On a side note, when this "match" was on WWE Classics, it featured one of the more eyebrow raising and unnecessary of WWE's white washings. In the original broadcast, there was no music when McMahon was announced. However, in the WWE version, McMahon's "No Chance in Hell" is inserted.

Indeed
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 16, 2011, 09:55:59 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on December 16, 2011, 09:48:11 PM
Edits in Italics

FanPost edited and promoted to the front page by CagesideSeats.com.

After tossing around a few ideas, I thought I would give my own spin on the well worn topic that is WCW's fall from grace. I'm sure most of you will know what will lie ahead, but I have a few personal items that I rarely see mentioned, and hopefully I'll give it enough of my own spin to make it seem fresh.
You could choose 1,000 moments, but let's just make it the Top 10

With that in mind, let's start the countdown with one of WCW's worst attempts at a bait and switch.

Star-divide

It's May 1998 (damn I feel old just typing that) and the Monday Night War is at its peak. In April 1998, Monday Night Raw finally bested Nitro in the ratings for the first time in over a year and a half. However, the ratings would go back and forth throughout the summer and fall until Raw would take the lead spot for good in Nov. 1998.

Both sides came out swinging during this time in an effort to get people watching. One of the more infamous moments was when the DX Army (HHH, Chyna, X-Pac, and The New Age Outlaws) "invaded" Nitro on April 27 1998.

Following that, DX do a similar "invasion" outside of WCW's headquarters in Atlanta and another Nitro.

All of this prompted Eric Bischoff to issue a challenge for Vince McMahon, which was for the two of them to have a match at Slamboree 1998 to settle the score.

Now, anyone with half a brain knew there was no way Vinny Mac was going to show up on a WCW pay-per-view (PPV) to help out their buyrate, but WCW kept promoting it like there was a legitimate chance of it happening. Instead, what paying fans got was Michael Buffer saying "Vincent K. McMahon" a few times before Bischoff ordered a 10 count and to be declared the winner.It would be the last real success WCW had

All of this would become the hallmark of WCW's dying days. Promising the world while before delivering cheap stunts to the increasingly smaller paying crowds. In addition, you only have to take a look at the rest of the Slamboree '98 card to realize what will be another common thread in this series: WCW treating its PPVs as secondary to the Monday Night ratings battle.

On a side note, when this "match" was on WWE Classics, it featured one of the more eyebrow raising and unnecessary of WWE's white washings. In the original broadcast, there was no music when McMahon was announced. However, in the WWE version, McMahon's "No Chance in Hell" is inserted.

Indeed

It doesn't surprise me then that this guy was a total toolbag to you. As much as I love the business, its fanbase, especially on the internet, can be real douchey at times.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 17, 2011, 08:31:12 AM
Yeah, as much as I'd love to be outraged at the despicable behavior, "A wrestling fan acted like a total douchebag" pretty much gets a "ho hum" from me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 18, 2011, 09:32:54 AM
Oh god. All of today's episode of ABC's This Week could be submitted for this thread. Today's episode is a debate on whether or not government is too big. So much state apologizing. If the episode ever gets uploaded to the internet, I'll post it. It has the usual tripe like how government saved us from the Great Depression and even plays a massive strawman argument saying that everyone who claims to be small government or no government is goes back to government whenever they need anything.

Anyway, they also played this clip too.

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Oh lordy. They actually uploaded this entire failure of a piece.
[yt]6m9GI5WwQpY[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 20, 2011, 10:46:17 AM
Warning: What you are about to read is absolutely stupid at best and completely immoral at worst.

QuoteYour natural birth right is to survive however you please. Your government, your society, and your fellow man shall forever impose on that birthright because they share that the exact same birthright to kill you or use you or get in your way. We all have the right to impose on each other's liberties. Survival is not nice, and compromise is merely a method of control and ambiguous coexistence, if anything, a rational choice among irrational answers that color themselves right or wrong, red or blue, and conservative or liberal. I am entitled to do whatever I please and because you are entitled to do whatever you please, you can try and stop me. It's your birthright.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on December 20, 2011, 12:48:02 PM
This comes from Twitter
Quotemarriage as a gov't institution was designed to foster procreation to keep the national birth rate healthy.   Last time I checked homosexuals can't help out with the birth rate.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 20, 2011, 05:12:28 PM
Quote from: D on December 20, 2011, 10:46:17 AM
Warning: What you are about to read is absolutely stupid at best and completely immoral at worst.
Yeah...That guy needs professional help.
And by that I mean, locked up in a padded room with a strait jacket kind of help...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 20, 2011, 05:59:25 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on December 20, 2011, 05:12:28 PM
Yeah...That guy needs professional help.
And by that I mean, locked up in a padded room with a strait jacket kind of help...

There is a definite "potential danger to himself and others" undertone there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 21, 2011, 08:43:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2l7kk8owVU&context=C3315150ADOEgsToPDskI28-GMoKR9LN9xqaUimA6A

Everything made by Etzel33 in here.  So owning land is inherrently an act of aggression and believing in the Non Initiation of Force principle requires faith.

You can't make this shit up folks!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 21, 2011, 04:42:39 PM
Every comment (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=JhwuXNv8fJM) by cra2 in this video:

[yt]JhwuXNv8fJM[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 21, 2011, 11:57:44 PM
Quote from: D on December 21, 2011, 04:42:39 PM
Every comment (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=JhwuXNv8fJM) by cra2 in this video:

[yt]JhwuXNv8fJM[/yt]

ok....that's some messed up crap.

oh, and my apologies if it is true, but I may have accidentally clicked the wrong button, and given you a "bogus!" thingy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on December 22, 2011, 11:04:55 AM
From Facebook regarding Barack Obama's record

QuoteLet's see the record: Affordable Health Care Act Passed, Iraq DONE, Bin Laden DONE, Some Bank Reform DONE, no double dip recession DONE, saved auto industry in USA DONE, Afghanistan draw down IN THE WORKS
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 22, 2011, 11:38:20 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on December 22, 2011, 11:04:55 AM
From Facebook regarding Barack Obama's record

Why is this in Fav and not Fail quotes? Because that's as massive fail as I've seen in a long time!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on December 22, 2011, 11:54:04 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 22, 2011, 11:38:20 AM
Why is this in Fav and not Fail quotes? Because that's as massive fail as I've seen in a long time!

You're right, it should be in Fail Quotes, whoops!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 22, 2011, 12:31:37 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on December 22, 2011, 11:54:04 AM
You're right, it should be in Fail Quotes, whoops!

It is now (after some Admin magic!).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on December 22, 2011, 12:44:50 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure which one is the biggest fail. I'm leaning towards saving the American auto industry.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 23, 2011, 02:40:58 PM
This (http://diehardanticommie.blogspot.com/2011/06/illegal-immigrants.html). Read it at your own risk.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 23, 2011, 05:58:08 PM
Quote from: D on December 23, 2011, 02:40:58 PM
This (http://diehardanticommie.blogspot.com/2011/06/illegal-immigrants.html). Read it at your own risk.

Wow. Just wow.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 23, 2011, 07:16:09 PM
Quote from: D on December 23, 2011, 02:40:58 PM
This (http://diehardanticommie.blogspot.com/2011/06/illegal-immigrants.html). Read it at your own risk.

Is that guy 12 years old? I mean, I am drunk and all right now, but the beginning just seems juvenile to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 23, 2011, 10:10:15 PM
It's a bit telling that none of the books in the background seem to have writing on them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 24, 2011, 05:40:30 PM
@ D: it's a lady, but yeah, whatever. she calls herself Elizabeth Templar (lolwut?), and is apparently old enough to hold a job as a consultant or sth.

and yes, I'm still wondering how you can think like this. Might have to do with her attitude with regards to communism/liberalism (read: blinding hatred).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 24, 2011, 06:57:45 PM
@Ibrahim90:  You mean "@VectorM"?  VectorM, not D, was the one who referred to the author of the article as a she.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 24, 2011, 06:59:25 PM
"And you know what? They won't see a cent from you once you move to canada."  --GravemindZombie from the comments of this video (https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=nMnnIfcYx2E)

Tell that to those still getting harassed for taxes from the IRS even AFTER moving to Canada, you asshole!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 26, 2011, 10:55:27 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on December 24, 2011, 06:57:45 PM
@Ibrahim90:  You mean "@VectorM"?  VectorM, not D, was the one who referred to the author of the article as a she.

no, it was D; I was replying to his original post-the one with the link.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 27, 2011, 02:10:37 PM
This twat by the name of MrGundam on my DA channel.

http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/A-few-words-from-Anarky-275841851#comments

Tries to pull that "humans inherrently don't want to be right, they want to win" BS.  It's cute when people try to claim to be smarter than me yet can't even notice when they just used a self detonating argument.  So weak...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on January 02, 2012, 09:27:17 AM
From a debate on facebook about Ron Paul. I'm in italics, other guy is in bold

If you think your best shot is re-registering Republican and staying in line with the two party system, feel free. If you think supporting the single Republican who talks the libertarian talk is what it takes, fine.

What happens when Paul doesn't get the nomination and retires for the greener pastures of best sellers and public speaking tours?


What happens when Ron Paul is not Elected President well Freedom as you Know it is Over .

And people wonder why I can't stand the cult of Paul
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on January 02, 2012, 04:53:22 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on December 24, 2011, 05:40:30 PM
@ D: it's a lady, but yeah, whatever. she calls herself Elizabeth Templar (lolwut?), and is apparently old enough to hold a job as a consultant or sth.

and yes, I'm still wondering how you can think like this. Might have to do with her attitude with regards to communism/liberalism (read: blinding hatred).


Sometimes consultant is doublespeak for unemployed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 04, 2012, 12:08:18 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on January 02, 2012, 09:27:17 AM
From a debate on facebook about Ron Paul. I'm in italics, other guy is in bold

If you think your best shot is re-registering Republican and staying in line with the two party system, feel free. If you think supporting the single Republican who talks the libertarian talk is what it takes, fine.

What happens when Paul doesn't get the nomination and retires for the greener pastures of best sellers and public speaking tours?


What happens when Ron Paul is not Elected President well Freedom as you Know it is Over .

And people wonder why I can't stand the cult of Paul

and that is, in a nutshell, Ron Paul's single biggest problem in trying to be nominated. I have nothing against him, though of course I don't agree with him on everything, but at the same time, he should have attracted more disciplined people.

Quote from: Goaticus on January 02, 2012, 04:53:22 PM
Sometimes consultant is doublespeak for unemployed.

yeah, but you never know  :shrug:

what matters to me is that she is a jerk. and a xenophobe. and wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on January 05, 2012, 12:12:01 AM
In honor of Rick Santorum's Iowa performance. Some blasts from the past.

"In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing. And when you destroy that you have a dramatic impact on the quality —"

Here's to you Mr. Senator who brings up bestiality in an interview, real men of Genius.

"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything."

Only in your Bible Rick.

"Whether it's polygamy, whether it's adultery, whether it's sodomy, all of those things, are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family."

But not to a healthy, stable, non-traditional family.

"I would say any type of sexual activity has absolutely no place in the military,"

There goes the military vote.

". And the military's job is to do one thing, and that is to defend our country."

Yet you voted to send them pretty much everywhere else.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 05, 2012, 11:18:01 PM
*Sighs* from this pillock again:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 06, 2012, 01:55:12 AM
LOLwut?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Anpanman on January 06, 2012, 12:38:44 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on January 05, 2012, 11:18:01 PM
*Sighs* from this pillock again:

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(http://d.facdn.net/art/karno/1325756122.karno_optimistpage1.jpg)

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(http://zensiert.to/media/gallery/picdump89/1325686458001.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 07, 2012, 07:24:41 PM
"You could cut your spending all the way to zero and still not be able to balance the budget. You need to increase revenue AND cut spending." --Hairysteed, in the comments of this video (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=w7FnUowZKfg).

Basic math fail!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 07, 2012, 08:19:39 PM
O. M. F. G!

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 07, 2012, 09:01:30 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 07, 2012, 08:19:39 PM
[yt-43]9fzO_YhOYNQ[/yt-43]
AAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!  The stupid! IT BURNS! >_<*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 07, 2012, 09:08:25 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 07, 2012, 08:19:39 PM
O. M. F. G!

[yt-43]9fzO_YhOYNQ[/yt-43]

>mfw

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 08, 2012, 08:28:58 AM
Cliffe Knechile. This fucking guy gets time every Sunday morning on ABC for his stupid show "Give Me an Answer" where he goes to college campuses and "debates" his religious views with people. Needless to say it is entirely filled with fail.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 10, 2012, 12:22:56 PM
QuoteI'm going to now explain why all of these are both wrong and completely retarded

11. Love it or leave it

Morality is irreverent, if someone stays with an abusive spouse, they are in fact partially responsible for not seeking help and trying to ignore the problem. Trying to pin the full blame on the spouse when they allowed the abuse to happen is just plain victimization. There is no logical reason to say "If you don't like it here you should stay just because if you leave then you're a coward." Fuck that, go find a place you can be happy and never look back. You'll be a much better, happier person for it in the end.

10. Taxation is not theft

If you look to early colonial America, they actually did try to run the federal government without taxation but donations from states. However more often then not the states flat out refused to donate which led to the federal government not having any money to get stuff done. This is when we accepted that taxation is going to be necessary to actually get stuff done

9. Without government, everyone will murder, rape, steal etc etc...

The problem with this is that it implies that EVERYONE has the same morality, motivations and personality. Yes, there are good people who will remain civil after the government is dismantled, there are also bad ones who will take the easier option to survive. Being looting, pillaging and killing their fellow man.

8. Who'll build the roads, take care of the poor, run healthcare, tie my shoes etc etc...

Ether no one will, or a corporation would have to which is generally a bad idea considering that a corporation is the last thing you want running things like healthcare in a free society.

7. Without regulation, the rich will dominate us!

Tell me, in a society with no rules, what is going to stop the rich, who have all the power, who can organize a militia, who can reasonably justify about anything for profit from dominating us for their own gain?

6. Redistribution of wealth

Except that a rules free society also rewards simply scamming people and even worse, theft, usually even more so then hard work. And don't tell me that a private police force is going to be somehow more competent and upstanding then a public one because that is just the biggest load ever.

5. What about the environment?!
The EPA are what stops corporations from turning the sky black with smog. Next

4. The "free rider problem"

If people are going to be free riders, what makes you seem to think they aren't going to make the next logical jump to simply surviving at the cost of others?

3. Safety > freedom

Again you're assuming that the global population has the same morality, motivations and personality. While only the most minute of crimes are done by a legal gun owner and we do have the right to bare arms. A fully "Free" society has has no law or protection. Privatized systems are just as easily corrupted as a government, if not worse because it effectively becomes a giant circle jerk.

2. But Anarchy's never been done before!

I believe I already explained Kowloon before, after a 30 year "hands off" policy the Chinese tore it down because they didn't want a nest of criminals next to hong kong. Even then it was so bad that police outright refused to go in with nothing but the largest groups. It's basically the same principle as getting rid of a ant hill or bees nest that's to close to your house.

1. The social contract

This is just retarded, because it implies that a person has no say in the government and comes off as a way of shunning partial responsibility for the state's condition. Yes we are in fact responsible for our government to an extent. Because we're the ones who give them their power and authority so it's our responsibility to kick them out once they start to misuse these. The real problem is that we're pretty much content with our current government, so people like you and me are in the minority rather then the majority.

More like "I'm gonna describe problems with government and arbitrarily pin them on statelessness"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 10, 2012, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 10, 2012, 12:22:56 PM
More like "I'm gonna describe problems with government and arbitrarily pin them on statelessness"

11. "You mean, you were raped? Didn't you try to run away?"

10. So, because the STATES wouldn't pay taxes to the Federal government, we have to use force against the PEOPLE?

9. And the bad ones will be far more likely to seek public office. "No one who wants to be president should under any circumstances be allowed to have the job." --Douglas Adams

8. There are no corporations in a free society. Corporations are a government creation.

7. The rich have no power in a free market; only money. Money is NOT power. The only way they can deal with you in a free market is by convincing you to voluntarily do business with them.

6. Theft and fraud happen NOW, and government are the biggest offenders.

5. No, technology does that. All the environmental regulations do is allow big corporate polluters to keep on belching crap into the air while making it hard for smaller businesses and startups to compete with them.

4. Because they can only do that with the voluntary consent of the other person.

3. Private systems lose money if they try to engage in bribery or other forms of corruption. Can you find any sort of corruption in UL? What about the hideous amounts of corruption in the FDA?

2. You mean the policy that launched Hong Kong to the top of the Economic Freedom Index and turned it from a country of slums into a bustling metropolis?

1. You think putting one mark on a piece of paper every 2 or 4 years is having a say in the government? You think writing a letter to your Congresscritter comes anywhere CLOSE to the amount of lobbying they get from special interests? Did blacks give government the power to make them slaves? Did American Indians give government the power to exterminate them en masse? Did Japanese-Americans give government the power to intern them in concentration camps? Tell us, which of the people gave Barack Obama the power to indefinitely detain ANY American citizen without warrant, trial, access to counsel, or even a writ of habeas corpus?

How can we kick them out with a corporatized news media bent on engineering elections rather than just reporting on them, closed debates, hideous ballot access laws that would shock a banana republic, and even openly rigged elections where constitutionally-valid votes are tossed aside and uncounted?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 10, 2012, 03:03:26 PM
2.  Funny he should mention that place.  Cracked.com did an article on it:  http://www.cracked.com/article_19590_the-6-weirdest-cities-people-actually-live-in_p2.html  It's #1 on this list for those wondering.  A teaser:  "And to everybody's mutual surprise, Kowloon absolutely thrived on the anarchy."

@ShaneDK:  1.  I would also point out that, even IF we could "vote the bum out," last I checked, the bad laws, etc, all stay.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 11, 2012, 01:13:11 PM
So I sent a message to my Congressman over the NDAA with the help of DownsizeDC.org. I knew what I was getting into, but I was more or less curious and quite frankly didn't have much else to do. Anyway, I have received a response from Senator Joe Lieberman.

There's a reason I put this in fail quotes...

QuoteDear Mr. Turcotte:

Thank you for contacting me regarding sections of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA; S. 1867) related to detainees. I appreciate your concerns, and I welcome the opportunity to respond.
As you know, the United States Armed Forces are authorized to detain covered persons captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (P.L. 107-40) as unprivileged enemy belligerents pending disposition under the law of war. A covered person is any individual who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks. Additionally, covered persons include an individual who was a part of, or substantially supported, al Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces. The authority to detain a person under this provision, however, does not extend to the detention of citizens or lawful resident aliens of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution.

Sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA were adopted by the Senate Armed Services Committee (SASC) in a 25-1 vote in a package of amendments intended to update and clarify the authority of the U.S. Armed Forces to detain unprivileged enemy belligerents established under the Authorization for Use of Military Force. These provisions reflect the view of the majority of SASC members that our military should continue to exercise its authority to detain unprivileged enemy belligerents and that members of al Qaeda or affiliated entities who have been involved with planning or carrying out an attack or, attempted attack, against the United States or its coalition partners should be subject to military detention pending disposition under the law of war.

I continue to believe that military detention and prosecution under the authorities established in the Military Commissions Act are the most effective means to safeguard our country against those who would do us harm. This is why I supported these NDAA provisions in committee and while this bill was debated by the full Senate.
On December 1, 2011, the Senate passed S. 1867 by a vote of 93-7. The compromise legislation agreed to by the Senate included Sections 1031 and 1032. along with a compromise. This compromise further reinforces that these sections will not affect existing laws relating to the detention of U.S. citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any others who are captured or arrested in the United States. Additionally, during the course of this debate, Senator Mark Udall (D-CO) offered an amendment (S.A. 1107), which was rejected by a vote of 38-60. I voted against S.A. 1107 because I believe that it did not adequately resolve the current ambiguities surrounding enemy detention. Lastly, on December 31, 2011, the President signed this bill into law.
Thank you again for sharing your views and concerns with me. I hope you will continue to visit http://lieberman.senate.gov for updated news about my work on behalf of Connecticut and the nation. Please contact me if you have any additional questions or comments about our work in Congress.


Sincerely,


Joseph I. Lieberman
UNITED STATES SENATOR
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 11, 2012, 01:24:35 PM
Instead of doing a point-by-point rebuttal, I'll just say this:

QuoteI continue to believe that military detention and prosecution under the authorities established in the Military Commissions Act are the most effective means to safeguard our country against those who would do us harm.

No, it doesn't--you're still here!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 12, 2012, 07:39:46 PM
Hey guys, more fail from a senator.

This time around, we have Richard Blumenthal's take on the NDAA.

QuoteDear Mr. Turcotte,

Thank you for your thoughtful message regarding the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012. I appreciate hearing from you.

Although I voted for the National Defense Authorization Act — which passed by a 86-13 margin — I will continue to seek modifications to address civil liberties concerns raised regarding several detainee provisions.

I share the concerns of many in Connecticut regarding the mandatory military custody and detention without trial provisions — which is why I voted to strip them from the bill.  An amendment to do so offered by Senator Mark Udall of Colorado unfortunately failed.  I supported other amendments that essentially sought the same objective of preserving and protecting Constitutional rights and due process safeguards.  As a result of these efforts, the detainee provisions in the legislation were revised to state explicitly that they do not affect the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens, or any other person in the United States.  The legislation was also modified to preserve the authority of the Federal Bureau of Investigation to continue criminal enforcement activities, regardless of whether a person is in military custody.

Ultimately, I supported the overall bill, the purpose of which is to authorize our nation's defense expenditures for the next year.  As a Senator and member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, I felt a responsibility to provide our troops with absolutely necessary support as they serve and sacrifice during a time of war.

This comprehensive measure provides funding for everything from paying  troops serving in combat and at home, to the ammunition, equipment, fuel and other supplies they use, and the training and medical treatment they need both before and after they deploy, and if they are wounded. It funds the maintenance and infrastructure at our bases, as well as critical weapons systems necessary to deter and prevent attacks by terrorists or other countries. 

I am still deeply troubled by the grave civil liberties implications of the detainee provisions, and I share the concerns of senior law enforcement, military, and intelligence officials that these detainee provisions are actually counterproductive to the national security goals they are supposed to serve.  I will continue to fight for additional measures for pursuing terrorism consistent with the basic protections guaranteed to all Americans by our Constitution.

Thank you again for writing. Please feel free to contact me in the future with any additional questions or concerns you may have.


Sincerely,

Richard Blumenthal
United States Senate

TL;DR version: I voted for the bill, but I understand your concerns...I just don't care.

By the way, Shane, feel free to put both Blumenthal and Lieberman as either Idiot Extraordinaire or Biggest Bogon Emitter.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 13, 2012, 01:41:31 AM
Quote from: D on January 12, 2012, 07:39:46 PM
Hey guys, more fail from a senator.

This time around, we have Richard Blumenthal's take on the NDAA.

TL;DR version: I voted for the bill, but I understand your concerns...I just don't care.

By the way, Shane, feel free to put both Blumenthal and Lieberman as either Idiot Extraordinaire or Biggest Bogon Emitter.

LOLwut?

frankly, these idiots are nothing; they can get a lifetime achievement or sth, but not biggest bogon emitter or idiot extraordinaire. It's not as if this bill would have gone into "law" if it weren't for comrade Stalin- I mean, Obama, signing the bill. and of course, to quote the news you provided of late:

QuoteCalif.--President Obama is planning to hand the U.S. Commerce Department authority over a forthcoming cybersecurity effort to create an Internet ID for Americans, a White House official said here today.

and while we're at it, here is another fail quote, from the TSA:

Quote from:  some stupid ***** at the airport, over the microphoneplease be advised, that any inappropriate remarks or jokes about airport security could lead to your arrest

because our constitutional rights mean nothing.

as you may have guessed, I had to go through these TSA fuckers this morning. they put me into that retarded body scanner, and tried to frisk my shin, because they thought there was a metal object there. unsurprisingly, they found nothing. and they checked it 3 times in three different airports, in the same part of my body.

then some cow took my bag, and ransacked it because they thought I had a knife. turned out it was a disposable razor. which was sheathed. and at the bottom of the bag, where I can't get to it. And I told them in advance that I had a razor in the bag. oh, and by the way, they left the razor in the bag.

it took me almost an hour to repack my stuff. and they damaged some of my luggage.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 13, 2012, 06:39:03 AM
Harry Browne used this as an example years ago of a Senator explaining why he voted for something hideous: "I had to! It was part of a defense appropriations bill! You wouldn't want the country to be defenseless, would you?"

Yeah, as if voting it down or vetoing it would just mean Congress sits on their thumbs and doesn't fund defense. It's not like they can't turn around and pass another bill without the offending passages that their fellow Senators and the President wouldn't object to! "Oh, wow! What a concept! I never thought of that! Gee, Shane, you're some kind of genius..."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 14, 2012, 02:40:51 PM
Every single comment by CaptainRidley and JungleJargon on this video: [yt]6IAExlOz2OM[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 14, 2012, 03:42:17 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on December 11, 2009, 02:03:46 PM
"The studies say that students must study for 5 hours for each test to get an A, 4 hours for a B, etc." - Same as above, despite the fact that he provided zero sources, didn't list a single control, and the fact that I got an A in the class, despite an average of about 10 minutes of studying for each test, which, according to him, should have resulting in me failing.

oh please, I can refute that right now, just by experience. I tend to keep track of how long I study for a given subject's exam, and compile averages at the end (it helps form an assessment of things). here are the results, with commentary:

[spoiler]Sed-strat: 2 hours. grade: A
Analytical and historical geology: 1.7 hours. grade: A+
Physics II: 11 hours. grade: A (two exams were 10 hours, and I made a B and C, one was 8 hours, made an A there, and another was 16 hours, also an A (grade curve saved me here))
Calculus III: 7 hours. grade: D (2)
Mineralogy: 3.4 hours. grade: A
Optical mineralogy: 3 hours. grade: A
Geochemistry: 2.5 hours. grade: B
Structural geology: 8 hours. grade: B (1)
statistics: 1 hour. grade: A.
Geomorphology: 0.8 hours. grade: A
Paleontology: 1 hour. grade: A (one exam I didn't even study for).
German I: 1.7 hours. grade: A+
Ig-met petrology: 3 hours. grade: A- (the exams went very well, but I screwed up a paper, so it knocked me down here).
ArcGIS: 1 hour. grade: B+

all classes average: 1.2 hours (I have a bunch of others, many of which I didn't even study for).

and for context, my GPA is 3.565 at this time. by his logic, I should be lucky to go over a 1.0.







(1)(there is good evidence of fraud involved in my grading here. the guy is the bastard after-all, who gave me an F for one assignment, and an A for a friend of mine, though we came up with the exact same answers independently, so you can't even argue suspicion of cheating. taking that into account (this is not an isolated instance), I should have made an A. he pulled off the same bullshit with my finals exam (took off 5 points for one question over a minor point (srsly, it really was minor), while giving the same friend of mine no deductions for omitting half the correct answer). I am not quite sure why he did this, though I suspect racism, since: a) I can't come up with a better explanation, b) some remarks he made (which I did hear), and c) he did not treat other students like I was. I was the only Arab in class btw. I am open to better explanations though
(2) my quizzes averaged a B+, but as the exam was written by someone else, who didn't know how far we actually progressed (or didn't), we all got fucked over. I failed almost every exam).[/spoiler]

bear in mind, these hours are total hours average per exam per course. I do not typically cram (I think that is a poor way of studying (there are exceptions), since it can tire you out), so some of these could go on for days.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 14, 2012, 04:00:55 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 14, 2012, 03:42:17 PM
oh please, I can refute that right now, just by experience. I tend to keep track of how long I study for a given subject's exam, and compile averages at the end (it helps form an assessment of things). here are the results, with commentary:

[spoiler]Sed-strat: 2 hours. grade: A
Analytical and historical geology: 1.7 hours. grade: A+
Physics II: 11 hours. grade: A (two exams were 10 hours, and I made a B and C, one was 8 hours, made an A there, and another was 16 hours, also an A (grade curve saved me here))
Calculus III: 7 hours. grade: D (2)
Mineralogy: 3.4 hours. grade: A
Optical mineralogy: 3 hours. grade: A
Geochemistry: 2.5 hours. grade: B
Structural geology: 8 hours. grade: B (1)
statistics: 1 hour. grade: A.
Geomorphology: 0.8 hours. grade: A
Paleontology: 1 hour. grade: A (one exam I didn't even study for).
German I: 1.7 hours. grade: A+
Ig-met petrology: 3 hours. grade: A- (the exams went very well, but I screwed up a paper, so it knocked me down here).
ArcGIS: 1 hour. grade: B+

all classes average: 1.2 hours (I have a bunch of others, many of which I didn't even study for).

and for context, my GPA is 3.565 at this time. by his logic, I should be lucky to go over a 1.0.







(1)(there is good evidence of fraud involved in my grading here. the guy is the bastard after-all, who gave me an F for one assignment, and an A for a friend of mine, though we came up with the exact same answers independently, so you can't even argue suspicion of cheating. taking that into account (this is not an isolated instance), I should have made an A. he pulled off the same bullshit with my finals exam (took off 5 points for one question over a minor point (srsly, it really was minor), while giving the same friend of mine no deductions for omitting half the correct answer). I am not quite sure why he did this, though I suspect racism, since: a) I can't come up with a better explanation, b) some remarks he made (which I did hear), and c) he did not treat other students like I was. I was the only Arab in class btw. I am open to better explanations though
(2) my quizzes averaged a B+, but as the exam was written by someone else, who didn't know how far we actually progressed (or didn't), we all got fucked over. I failed almost every exam).[/spoiler]

bear in mind, these hours are total hours average per exam per course. I do not typically cram (I think that is a poor way of studying (there are exceptions), since it can tire you out), so some of these could go on for days.

It gets better.  A few years later, I took another class with him.  He said the same thing.  Only instead of "5 hours studying for a college exam for an A" it was now "5 hours of studying for a college exam to get a C."  Again, no sources, no controls.  Hell, he didn't even acknowledge the change or even try to account for it!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 14, 2012, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on January 14, 2012, 04:00:55 PM
It gets better.  A few years later, I took another class with him.  He said the same thing.  Only instead of "5 hours studying for a college exam for an A" it was now "5 hours of studying for a college exam to get a C."  Again, no sources, no controls.  Hell, he didn't even acknowledge the change or even try to account for it!

my oh my. what do you know, a flip-flopper.

I think the thing he needs to understand is that people's needs vary. there is no such thing as a magical number, that will work for a person(s). or even one for an individual. this is assuming the student or other person puts effort into their work.

EDIT: so does that mean he votes for Romney?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 15, 2012, 07:42:09 PM
well, here's a fail I dug out from my time at another forum:

Quote from: SlickNicaG69;2053203799To me, archaeology is only useful for discovery, like finding a new dinosaur that existed, not to re-evaluate or find the truth.

here's my reply, in full:

Quote from: Ibrahim;2053204825u alright bro? :inquisitive:

(there was another quote here, by a guy making fun of the original fail comment above.)

I wonder if that's Kirk Cameron (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBVZK6Z4Rz4") in disguise, based on that comment. :laugh4:

@ 1:00

srsly people:

this guy (Ibrahim), is a paleontology student. his job, if he graduates is to dig for fossil life-specifically animals-then study them. the operative word here is "study them"

an archeologist, like say Indiana Jones :clown: or the fellows who work on Mayan cities, dig up ancient human artifacts to study. the operative word here is, again, "study them"

is it really this ******* hard to understand the difference?!




http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129715-Pritanoi-%28and-Casse%29-Generals-Innacurate/page3 (post #63)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 22, 2012, 08:34:53 PM
[yt]IuUDsAHybIs[/yt]

According to Maher, the whole thing about SOPA destroying the internet as we know it is just a red herring, because white people want a means to steal from him.

Also, Maher has a lot of nerve saying anything about people just wanting free shit, especially considering he is a major supporter of not only the welfare state, but of socialism itself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 22, 2012, 08:55:36 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 14, 2012, 06:57:14 PM
my oh my. what do you know, a flip-flopper.

I think the thing he needs to understand is that people's needs vary. there is no such thing as a magical number, that will work for a person(s). or even one for an individual. this is assuming the student or other person puts effort into their work.

EDIT: so does that mean he votes for Romney?
He tends to lean to the left, so he's probably an Obama voter.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 22, 2012, 09:36:06 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on January 22, 2012, 08:55:36 PM
He tends to lean to the left, so he's probably an Obama voter.

I was being facetious, but OK.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 22, 2012, 09:43:23 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 22, 2012, 09:36:06 PM
I was being facetious, but OK.  :shrug:
Kind of hard to tell through a comment when I don't know you very well. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on January 23, 2012, 02:11:38 AM
It's pretty hard to tell when someone is being facetious. When I was on AronRa's channel some creationist asked me why I was on his channel ripping on the pack of creatards that was posting. I told him I was on his channel because I knew him from his other channel devoted to early 90's gangster rap. Two hours later the same creationist through a fit because he claimed he spent all that time searching for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 23, 2012, 01:19:14 PM
actually, even my friends in real life have a hard time telling if I am serious or joking, so I don't really mind. It seems I'm great at deadpanning even online :P

for example: here's conversation I had with a good friend of mine:


QuoteFriend: "recently received a fist-pound for knowing the difference between "immoral" and "amoral""

me: wait, someone punched you? that's not right

Friend (to me and some others): It would be considered validating, or perhaps congratulatory.

me: so wait, does that mean Ethan likes being congratulated by punching?

Friend: I can never tell when you're joking, but in case you really don't know, a "fist-pound" is a cordial meeting of the fists, meant to express good will.

me: yeah, I was joking. my sense of humor is pretty messed up, as you know. just the other day I made a morbid joke about hot-air balloon proposals XD

the joke I refer to was that a writing professor said people tend to propose marriage on hot-air balloons as fashion: I quipped that of course it's fashionable-the Lady can't say no, since the proposer can always push her off.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 24, 2012, 12:00:07 AM
Quotesorry, unless it is an emergency, we can't bring in the maintenance.

this was after the whole dorm building lost its internet (lord knows why), and people went to the front desk asking to get the maintenance people who deal with the interwebz to come over-since you know, it's their job to!

so yeah, if you have a homework, wait until people get done in the computer lab, whose internet connection is slower than a snail's. sheesh.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 24, 2012, 02:46:03 PM
"The problem is nobody has defined what 'being conservative'  means and that is our problem. Conservative means we have smaller government and more liberty." - Ron Paul

Ugh, he continues to perpetrate this false idea that conservatives are anything but just another branch of big government politics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 25, 2012, 06:01:34 PM
This fail is related to the story I posted about the East Haven cops being arrested for racial profiling.

Well, the mayor of East Haven, Joe Maturo, was interviewed by a New York news station and gave us this huge pile of fail.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on January 26, 2012, 07:50:46 PM
For those of you who haven't figured out I really don't like Rick Santorum.

"And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, I've always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created - in the sense of rape - but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you.

"As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life we have horrible things happen. I can't think of anything more horrible, but nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation and I would make the argument that that is making the best"

Shane may need to add a new award to his podcast called douche of the week. Seriously, I don't want to give Rick Santorum a response so much as a hatchet wound to the face. Make the best of that Rick.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 26, 2012, 08:38:47 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on January 26, 2012, 07:50:46 PM
For those of you who haven't figured out I really don't like Rick Santorum.

"And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, I've always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created - in the sense of rape - but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you.

"As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life we have horrible things happen. I can't think of anything more horrible, but nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation and I would make the argument that that is making the best"

Shane may need to add a new award to his podcast called douche of the week. Seriously, I don't want to give Rick Santorum a response so much as a hatchet wound to the face. Make the best of that Rick.

Or fucktard of the year...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 27, 2012, 02:47:41 AM
Quote from: Goaticus on January 26, 2012, 07:50:46 PM
For those of you who haven't figured out I really don't like Rick Santorum.

"And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, I've always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created - in the sense of rape - but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you.

"As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life we have horrible things happen. I can't think of anything more horrible, but nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation and I would make the argument that that is making the best"


Shane may need to add a new award to his podcast called douche of the week. Seriously, I don't want to give Rick Santorum a response so much as a hatchet wound to the face. Make the best of that Rick.

of course, one must not forget the irony that on one hand, he is basically saying "accept this as it is" (for life, impregnation from rape, etc), cuz God supposedly said so, while on the other he thinks the opposite regarding homosexuality.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 27, 2012, 12:24:19 PM
My aunt responded to my cousin Jimmy and tagged my name in it. It's a wall of fail.

QuoteI can't promise you anything but I do know that Dave Turcotte can probably give you all the information that you need. I can sum up my issue with Ron Paul quite easily. Some may call me a socialist, which is fine with me, because I believe... in educating our youth equitably through college, providing health care through a single payer system for every American, and providing good jobs with excellent wages for our people to better our communities, such as building bridges, keeping up roads, God damn, somebody pressure wash the cities of Chicago and New York!! Please! Give our young men jobs!!! They will immediately spend that money (you know they will) which will stimulate the economy. There is so much to do. Put kids in schools to help other kids! Pay kids to tutor each other, not to clean the damn schools! Are you kidding me? I could go on and on, but the bottom line is, I believe we should invest in Americans, not corporations!! And I am going to be honest Jim, I think many people supporting Ron Paul are spoiled. They sit in their homes and act as if we should just cut people off, it is just too bad. That is life, survival of the fittest and all that. I get that the system is messed up. Then get up and do something about it. Just like I think that you are a closet liberal, I don't think that the Ron Paul supporters that I know could be in the same room with a baby whose ear drum had burst because her mother didn't have health insurance and hear that baby cry. I would look to see how many nurses and teachers are supporting Ron Paul. They are on the front lines. As a teacher, I can tell you, it is not easy looking at kids and KNOWING that they do not have a fair hand at this life. This is America and we are better than that. How can anyone justify or even consider not investing in our people, our most valuable asset? Forget the water, the land and the air, but our people? I can't even consider Ron Paul philosophically and so I won't spend my time gathering info for you. I recommend you consider the viable candidates because this election is going to be here before you know it and we don't have any time to waste. I am going to spend my time helping Obama get elected and this time I going to be where the party is when he wins!!! ;)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 27, 2012, 01:12:03 PM
Quote from: D on January 27, 2012, 12:24:19 PM
My aunt responded to my cousin Jimmy and tagged my name in it. It's a wall of fail.

you might take offense, since she is still your aunt, but can I burn her in effigy?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 27, 2012, 01:18:30 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 27, 2012, 01:12:03 PM
you might take offense, since she is still your aunt, but can I burn her in effigy?

Only if I get to do it first.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 27, 2012, 04:05:51 PM
Wow, and I thought my aunt was bad...her daughter is worse!

QuoteDave, I don't think that we live in a free world, and I don't think we should. I think we SHOULD pay taxes. Computers were invented without the government, yes, but roads for rural Arkansas? I'm not saying that what we have is perfect, but ...I do think that everyone should have to pay into their country. Sorry I didn't answer earlier, but I'm at work...I think you're just missing the point. I think I should have to pay to help the homeless, those who have less than me, those who need a school where otherwise there wouldn't be a school.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on January 27, 2012, 05:02:09 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 27, 2012, 02:47:41 AM
of course, one must not forget the irony that on one hand, he is basically saying "accept this as it is" (for life, impregnation from rape, etc), cuz God supposedly said so, while on the other he thinks the opposite regarding homosexuality.

That and while I disagree with his stance on abortion my biggest issue with what he said was the whole "make the best of it" nonsense. That's something you might say to a High School kid that gets a minor injury and has to miss a few games so maybe he should get ahead on his homework. Not something you should say to a woman that gets pregnant from being assaulted
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 28, 2012, 09:09:35 PM
So I unfriended my aunt and her daughter, but while I was checking my dad's facebook for him, I read more of the conversation that I had with them, and I just caught this horrible quote.

‎"Do you not think of human beings as natural resources that we should invest in and try to nurture."

Human beings are a natural resource?

That is something a sociopath would think!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 29, 2012, 09:48:50 AM
QuoteThe honest and hard truth is, there is no such thing as an objective moral 'right' or 'wrong'. There are only actions which are, for one reason or another, acceptable or unacceptable to society at a given time. What was considered morally acceptable a few hundred years ago would not be acceptable today, and vice versa. Morality changes like the wind, because in fact it is not objective or qualifiable. To suggest that there is an a priori moral 'good' is Kantian pseudo-philosophy (i.e. theology) and nothing more.

A realist has to accept that there is no morality evident in nature. Each person and society makes their own moral standards.

For me, war is a part of human nature. It can be expressed honourably and nobly, or it can be expressed in the soulless styles of the modern world. But it will always be expressed one way or another... at least until we fundamentally alter the essential nature of our species.

Oy.....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 29, 2012, 12:29:10 PM
That's the opposite extreme of this video response I just got: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXlmQWsBr4c

QuoteAtheism / Evolution Put Into Action! - Evolution debunked...Again. - 2012
If there was no ultimate moral giver or judge, claiming that evil or wrong behavior existed would be absurd. FYI, wrong behavior does exist.

I haven't even bothered to watch it. Doesn't seem like much point; yet another long-refuted argument presented yet again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2012, 01:30:35 PM
Rebuttal (not a fail!): 
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9553/euthyphrodilemma.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2012, 06:08:11 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19658_5-things-you-wont-believe-spawned-black-markets.html
In fail quotes because of their subtle defense of state action.

A better title: "5 (more) examples of why prohibition doesn't work"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2012, 06:20:41 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19641_5-seemingly-innocent-ways-youve-screwed-world-today.html
Alternative title:  "5 (additional) Reasons government has failed the environment"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 30, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
[yt]dXdgCZtQYio&feature=related[/yt]

Obama trying to meddle in an already government heavy institution.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 31, 2012, 09:27:52 PM
Try to not hurt yourself too much after reading this. (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/31/adios-austerity-e-u-admits-right-wing-policy-of-punishing-the-poor-has-failed-video/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 31, 2012, 09:46:36 PM
Quote from: D on January 31, 2012, 09:27:52 PM
Try to not hurt yourself too much after reading this. (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/31/adios-austerity-e-u-admits-right-wing-policy-of-punishing-the-poor-has-failed-video/)

this article author is an obvious sufferer of mental retardation, with no patience. never a good mix.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 31, 2012, 09:54:09 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 31, 2012, 09:46:36 PM
this article author is an obvious sufferer of mental retardation, with no patience. never a good mix.

Apparently we're the ones who have no patience....

Quote‎"Contrary to Republican talking points, President Obama has pulled us out of a massive recession over the last three years by initiating a wage freeze on federal workers and cuts in government spending in some areas (austerity) and boosting the economy with targeted spending in others and tax cuts (stimulus). Strangely, it seems to be working. Albeit slowly."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 01, 2012, 08:44:58 AM
And here we have Pooka failing stupidly...

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[Plus evensgrey failing for not embedding the video properly! :P --MrB]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 01, 2012, 12:51:42 PM
Quote from: D on January 31, 2012, 09:54:09 PM
Apparently we're the ones who have no patience....

and for some reason, in his case, he seems to be pretty clueless. (no, not you D, the dude you quoted).

@ evensgray: well, some people live in a non-world.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 01, 2012, 07:19:07 PM
[yt]rlQVswC7FME&feature=g-u-u&context=G20c4977FUAAAAAAADAA[/yt]
(first few minutes)

I really wish Totalbiscuit wouldn't try to talk about economics because it's really not his field.

In a nutshell, in talking about used games, he talks about how he used to work for a game retailer and that they were told to always try to encourage customers to buy games used whenever possible and he claims that this is proof that used game sales take money out of the hands of developers.

I haven't worked in a game retail store and even I know he's grossly oversimplifying the matter.  Used games are pushed because
A: They tend to be a pain to clear from the shelves.
B: They're a greater loss to the store if they don't sell.  Stores pay more individually for used games than new ones because they tend to get bulk discounts buying from developers.

He seems to think selling used games is the road to easy money.  It's not.  It's very fickle, far more than selling new ones.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 01, 2012, 07:53:23 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on February 01, 2012, 07:19:07 PM
[yt]rlQVswC7FME&feature=g-u-u&context=G20c4977FUAAAAAAADAA[/yt]
(first few minutes)

I really wish Totalbiscuit wouldn't try to talk about economics because it's really not his field.

In a nutshell, in talking about used games, he talks about how he used to work for a game retailer and that they were told to always try to encourage customers to buy games used whenever possible and he claims that this is proof that used game sales take money out of the hands of developers.

I haven't worked in a game retail store and even I know he's grossly oversimplifying the matter.  Used games are pushed because
A: They tend to be a pain to clear from the shelves.
B: They're a greater loss to the store if they don't sell.  Stores pay more individually for used games than new ones because they tend to get bulk discounts buying from developers.

He seems to think selling used games is the road to easy money.  It's not.  It's very fickle, far more than selling new ones.
Um, not to mention anecdotal "evidence".
Does he have any studies to back up this spurious claim of his?

Wait...he actually believes that bullshit claim that "used gaming sales hurt devs"?  Seriously?
God, he's an elitist...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 01, 2012, 08:03:20 PM
 
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on February 01, 2012, 07:19:07 PM
[yt]rlQVswC7FME&feature=g-u-u&context=G20c4977FUAAAAAAADAA[/yt]
(first few minutes)

I really wish Totalbiscuit wouldn't try to talk about economics because it's really not his field.

In a nutshell, in talking about used games, he talks about how he used to work for a game retailer and that they were told to always try to encourage customers to buy games used whenever possible and he claims that this is proof that used game sales take money out of the hands of developers.

I haven't worked in a game retail store and even I know he's grossly oversimplifying the matter.  Used games are pushed because
A: They tend to be a pain to clear from the shelves.
B: They're a greater loss to the store if they don't sell.  Stores pay more individually for used games than new ones because they tend to get bulk discounts buying from developers.

He seems to think selling used games is the road to easy money.  It's not.  It's very fickle, far more than selling new ones.

As someone who has bought used games in the past I can tell you a lot of the time it's buy used games or no games. Especially if I am looking for a specific used game. Also what business is it of his if someone buys used games. It's their property.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 01, 2012, 08:08:20 PM
Someone asked me "Why is it such a big deal that Obama signed the NDAA?" "It would have been passed over his veto anyway."

In response to the fail I simply posted this. (http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/obama-ripping-the-constitution-300x197.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 01, 2012, 08:32:52 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on February 01, 2012, 08:08:20 PM
Someone asked me "Why is it such a big deal that Obama signed the NDAA?" "It would have been passed over his veto anyway."

In response to the fail I simply posted this. (http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/obama-ripping-the-constitution-300x197.jpg)
An image that applies to most--if not all--of the U.S. presidents, I'm afraid. :(
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 01, 2012, 09:44:59 PM
Yeah, and I also apply it to any Senator or House Member who voted for the NDAA.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 02, 2012, 08:11:38 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on February 01, 2012, 07:19:07 PM
[yt]rlQVswC7FME&feature=g-u-u&context=G20c4977FUAAAAAAADAA[/yt]
(first few minutes)

I really wish Totalbiscuit wouldn't try to talk about economics because it's really not his field.

In a nutshell, in talking about used games, he talks about how he used to work for a game retailer and that they were told to always try to encourage customers to buy games used whenever possible and he claims that this is proof that used game sales take money out of the hands of developers.

I haven't worked in a game retail store and even I know he's grossly oversimplifying the matter.  Used games are pushed because
A: They tend to be a pain to clear from the shelves.
B: They're a greater loss to the store if they don't sell.  Stores pay more individually for used games than new ones because they tend to get bulk discounts buying from developers.

He seems to think selling used games is the road to easy money.  It's not.  It's very fickle, far more than selling new ones.

You should really make a video about this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 02, 2012, 09:17:00 AM
Quote from: VectorM on February 02, 2012, 08:11:38 AM
You should really make a video about this.

Your wish is my command. 

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 02, 2012, 03:59:06 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 02, 2012, 04:44:56 PM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/two_party_system.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 02, 2012, 04:46:09 PM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/hotels.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 02, 2012, 11:31:05 PM
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/end-of-poverty/

Posted on an old friend's facebook page. I wouldn't exactly say he knows any better, but still...

EDIT: Crap! Meant to post this in fail quotes. How do I move posts again?

EDIT 2: Thank you, Mr. Bogosity! =D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 02, 2012, 11:52:12 PM
Yeah...that second comic is nonsense.  If you give the one bad review out of many good ones, inevitable someone's going to look into it and find out you're full of it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 02, 2012, 11:58:13 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on February 02, 2012, 11:52:12 PM
Yeah...that second comic is nonsense.  If you give the one bad review out of many good ones, inevitable someone's going to look into it and find out you're full of it.

I don't think it's supposed to be taken that seriously, though. I mean, it strikes me as more of a parody of that sort of thing, like Tom failing to catch/eat Jerry.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 03, 2012, 07:09:46 AM
When you read XKCD, and it's one with Black Hat Guy, know that he's supposed to be the antagonist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 03, 2012, 09:19:58 AM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on February 02, 2012, 11:31:05 PM
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/end-of-poverty/

Posted on an old friend's facebook page. I wouldn't exactly say he knows any better, but still...

EDIT: Crap! Meant to post this in fail quotes. How do I move posts again?

EDIT 2: Thank you, Mr. Bogosity! =D

Let's see, the background text and 'content' of the comments section strongly suggests that what the video's suggestions would actually result in the end of WEALTH.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 03, 2012, 09:49:09 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 03, 2012, 07:09:46 AM
When you read XKCD, and it's one with Black Hat Guy, know that he's supposed to be the antagonist.
I know.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 03, 2012, 09:01:53 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 03, 2012, 09:50:19 PM
I really don't get fringeelements.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 03, 2012, 10:21:22 PM
@Shane:  Welcome to my world.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 04, 2012, 01:18:48 AM
 
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 03, 2012, 09:50:19 PM
I really don't get fringeelements.

What's funny is that people on youtube tell me Libertarians are anti-social fanatics. When I ask them why they think that they give me a charming anecdote with guess who.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 04, 2012, 01:43:14 AM
Quote from: Goaticus on February 04, 2012, 01:18:48 AM

What's funny is that people on youtube tell me Libertarians are anti-social fanatics. When I ask them why they think that they give me a charming anecdote with guess who.

based on this, I conclude that "people"* are stupid: they look at the worst possible example (Fringeelements), and so assume that everyone is like him-a form of projection. People do it all the time to each other, a legacy of when we were like chimps.  :shrug:

And yeah, this guy (Fringeelements) is just the ideal bundle of contradictions....I frankly have given up trying to figure out why he is like this...

*I'd say mob, but this lacks the violence.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 04, 2012, 02:12:47 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 04, 2012, 01:43:14 AM
based on this, I conclude that "people"* are stupid: they look at the worst possible example (Fringeelements), and so assume that everyone is like him-a form of projection. People do it all the time to each other, a legacy of when we were like chimps.  :shrug:

And yeah, this guy (Fringeelements) is just the ideal bundle of contradictions....I frankly have given up trying to figure out why he is like this...

*I'd say mob, but this lacks the violence.

Unfortunately they don't so much look at him as the worse example as spend 4 hours blocking him and 87 of his accounts from their blogtv, facebook, youtube whatever when he wants to babble about race, statism, or misuse the word emergence in a conversation between 15 year old girls about how to put on make up.

I usually say something along these lines.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 04, 2012, 03:53:13 AM
Quote from: Goaticus on February 04, 2012, 02:12:47 AM
Unfortunately they don't so much look at him as the worse example as spend 4 hours blocking him and 87 of his accounts from their blogtv, facebook, youtube whatever when he wants to babble about race, statism, or misuse the word emergence in a conversation between 15 year old girls about how to put on make up.


I frankly don't blame them for doing that to all (sic) 91 of his accounts-the guy is what Arabs euphemistically call "gheyr sawi" (lit. not level/even), and it shows in people's interactions with him. And I don't blame them for thinking he is a antisocial fanatic. my main issue was the generalization people draw based on this guy being a Libertarian, though it doesn't help that he's pretty vocal, so more people see him who aren't libertarian (I found out about him via Coughlan616)

but yeah, that Hank Hill line just about sums it up for all of us: that guy just isn't right.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2012, 12:22:19 PM
Shane's comment (not a fail!): "OBL specifically mentioned US forces destroying hi-rise buildings in Lebanon in 1982 as the reason for the attack. Even before 9/11 he was saying that the US destroyed buildings in Lebanon, so he would destroy two of the biggest in the US. That 1982 war was in aid of Israel, who had been fighting the PLO in Lebanon. This was because when Israel was created the US and UK displaced many Palestinians, and over 300,000 of them went to Lebanon. They didn't forget."

Reminded me of this little gem by my conservatard former friend (the one in that thread).  It's going to be by memory, so it will be paraphrased, but the point will still be the same: "Israel belongs to the Israelitites.  It's THEIR land.  It was theirs over 2000 years ago.  They just simply reclaimed it." -- when talking about the abuse of Palestinians suffered at the hands of Israel.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2012, 12:49:51 PM
Well I *WAS* going to post the exact quotes from a warmongering pillock, but I can't seem to find the video he commented on.

Oh well.

Basically his points were:  the excitement and peril of war is what encourages humans to be at their best; it's the reason technology peaks and skyrockets during war.  We don't see that now because we're not in a real threat against a huge enemy like in WWII.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2012, 02:17:13 PM
(http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/drugs.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 04, 2012, 04:58:02 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on February 04, 2012, 12:22:19 PMReminded me of this little gem by my conservatard former friend (the one in that thread).  It's going to be by memory, so it will be paraphrased, but the point will still be the same: "Israel belongs to the Israelitites.  It's THEIR land.  It was theirs over 2000 years ago.  They just simply reclaimed it." -- when talking about the abuse of Palestinians suffered at the hands of Israel.


that's a lot like OJ Simpson having the "right" to steal back his football paraphernalia because he used to own it a decade or more before, and it had since been bought/owned by another person. It's what it amounts to.

that, and he'd feel differently if he had his own family killed by just such people-like I did, as well as almost every Palestinian family.

of course, if any Jewish person wants to live in the holy land, that's fine, but they don't have the right to shoot us up for it. luckily, more and more people on both sides realize this. perhaps we can end this stupid game someday.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2012, 08:56:00 PM
"Everyone needs to stop calling regulations "regulations" and call them what they are: the LAW. That way, it forces the LAW-haters, the corporate anarchists, to be on the defensive, rather than us, because it implies that THEY are always on the verge of breaking the LAW, if not breaking it already." --mphello in the comments of TheTruePooka's video on deregulation
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 04, 2012, 08:59:10 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on February 04, 2012, 08:56:00 PM
"Everyone needs to stop calling regulations "regulations" and call them what they are: the LAW. That way, it forces the LAW-haters, the corporate anarchists, to be on the defensive, rather than us, because it implies that THEY are always on the verge of breaking the LAW, if not breaking it already." --mphello in the comments of TheTruePooka's video on deregulation

That's inspiring me to go back and work some more on a video on the difference between laws and regulations.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2012, 10:20:20 PM
"@asianlife53 This isn't hand wringing. It's calling the Conservatives and their supporters out on their bullshit rhetoric.

And contrary to what people think economics does not exist in a vacuum.

"The best things in life are free".

This refers to concepts like freedom, patriotism, a strong society. But these things are not free. They have to be worked at.

Conservative-free market apologists would tell you that isn't true while they shake your hand & pick your pocket." --TheTruePooka on his deregulation video
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 04, 2012, 10:29:05 PM
Actually pretty much every comment of his is a fail quote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 05, 2012, 01:46:12 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on February 04, 2012, 08:56:00 PM
"Everyone needs to stop calling regulations "regulations" and call them what they are: the LAW. That way, it forces the LAW-haters, the corporate anarchists, to be on the defensive, rather than us, because it implies that THEY are always on the verge of breaking the LAW, if not breaking it already." --mphello in the comments of TheTruePooka's video on deregulation

Better yet, call them by their proper name: Opinions backed by guns.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 05, 2012, 09:48:20 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on February 04, 2012, 12:22:19 PM
Reminded me of this little gem by my conservatard former friend (the one in that thread).  It's going to be by memory, so it will be paraphrased, but the point will still be the same: "Israel belongs to the Israelitites.  It's THEIR land.  It was theirs over 2000 years ago.  They just simply reclaimed it." -- when talking about the abuse of Palestinians suffered at the hands of Israel.

I wonder if he would apply that logic to Native Americans living today.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 05, 2012, 09:50:18 AM
 "the best things in life are free"

So are some of the worse, like cancer and herpes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2012, 01:04:36 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on February 05, 2012, 09:48:20 AMI wonder if he would apply that logic to Native Americans living today.

ZING! (http://instantrimshot.com/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 05, 2012, 07:18:02 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on February 05, 2012, 09:48:20 AM
I wonder if he would apply that logic to Native Americans living today.

that would assume consistency in his thoughts. I see no evidence of that here...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 06, 2012, 01:45:30 AM
The state cultist(s) who made this comic are projecting so hard they could do PowerPoint presentations:

(http://img.waffleimages.com/fe6140a09b6e3c670a6c5d445cfa432b78e86777/eagan.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 06, 2012, 06:38:33 AM
It's precisely the fallacy I've been calling the Cult on for years: they think the economy is this separate thing--a robot, in this case, or some kind of Star Trek energy being or something. Of course, sensible people know that the market is just you and me and the other 300,000,000 people in the country making the decisions we make throughout the day every day. The market is US.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 06, 2012, 07:47:50 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 06, 2012, 06:38:33 AM
It's precisely the fallacy I've been calling the Cult on for years: they think the economy is this separate thing--a robot, in this case, or some kind of Star Trek energy being or something. Of course, sensible people know that the market is just you and me and the other 300,000,000 people in the country making the decisions we make throughout the day every day. The market is US.
Indeed.

The cultists LOVE to twist that around and say, "We are the government."  "This government is by/for We The People."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 07, 2012, 09:55:12 PM
From Wages and Values, Paul Krugmans latest blog entry.

"Should we really be surprised that young men, confronting the reality that they won't earn anything near as much in real terms as their fathers did — and that they will be even further from having what society sees as an adequate income, because even Adam Smith acknowledged the importance of social norms in defining prosperity — don't marry and raise families the way the previous generation did?"

Even if the income thing was true, people in other countries and previous generations throughout history had higher marriage rates.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2012, 11:39:12 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on February 07, 2012, 09:55:12 PM
From Wages and Values, Paul Krugmans latest blog entry.

"Should we really be surprised that young men, confronting the reality that they won't earn anything near as much in real terms as their fathers did — and that they will be even further from having what society sees as an adequate income, because even Adam Smith acknowledged the importance of social norms in defining prosperity — don't marry and raise families the way the previous generation did?"

Even if the income thing was true, people in other countries and previous generations throughout history had higher marriage rates.
Not to mention the Adam Smith jab was an attempt to pin the blame on free markets.  You know, that thing we haven't had in at least a century...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 08, 2012, 01:03:36 PM
QuoteEmpathy is nice. And I get what you're trying to say. But you're GAZING from a different standpoint in the Gestapo situation.

I'm probably going to hate myself for saying this. To their higher-uppers, the Gestapo was doing a good job. We hate them, and we feel they should be hated by all, but they were told to do something and obeyed. Did they order it? No. Could they have backed down? Yes. But they put the effectiveness of their job over basic human morals. And they got the job done.

But my point is, they're doing what they were told. Now, I'm pretty sure he'll catch some heat for the whole chainsaw ordeal from the boss, but you shouldn't expect him to lose his job for being one door over. And all-in-all, this lady was asking for more attention for an issue that most people deal with near everyday.

This was that asshole's response to me when I said the Gestapo were "just doing their job" and that shouldn't excuse them for what they did.

Yes, he actually excused the Gestapo.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 08, 2012, 03:13:41 PM
How about the fact that he ADMITS that this is an almost-everyday occurrence? As if that makes it LESS of a problem and not more!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 08, 2012, 03:20:14 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 08, 2012, 03:13:41 PM
How about the fact that he ADMITS that this is an almost-everyday occurrence? As if that makes it LESS of a problem and not more!

Oh, but you know, they're just doing their job, therefore we shouldn't look down on it.

Typing that made me feel physically ill....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 08, 2012, 03:27:14 PM
And upholding their oath to the Constitution isn't their job?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 08, 2012, 03:37:27 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 08, 2012, 03:27:14 PM
And upholding their oath to the Constitution isn't their job?

The Constitution? Who needs that right? After all, how would we have progressed if we haven't thrown all of that shit aside?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 08, 2012, 03:38:52 PM
Someone should pay me to murder little children. I will do it quick and i will clean after. Then this guy will excuse me, since I am doing my job effectively!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 09, 2012, 05:00:48 PM
(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs6/i/2005/056/6/b/We__re_Going_Home_Soon_by_SketchDalmatian.gif)
The description (also fail): "In case some of you might not know, I'm a huge prophecy freak! I collect newspapers, articles, magazines (cept for Weekly Wold News and Sun and stuff like that) and watch different shows and movies about prophecy. :D

This pic shows how I feel about all these events that are takin' place around the world at this moment. We are at the threshhold of Jesus comin' back! Please don't be left out! :thanks:"

Christian Love:  Because when people are slaughtered, it's a good thing.

And yes, that's supposed to be an anthropomorphic dalmatian, not a tiger.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 09, 2012, 06:00:43 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 26, 2010, 05:53:43 PM[yt]BN-2uYn9q40[/yt]
...
And, since that person closed their account, I'll have to post the this version of that video:

[yt]XeQUlr4Xc3s[/yt]

A sample:  "First of all; hooray for all those in authority; so that we can live in peace and happiness"

The above video: deconverting more Christians and Statists in 1 lifetime than I could in 10.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 09, 2012, 07:20:24 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on February 09, 2012, 05:00:48 PM
(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs6/i/2005/056/6/b/We__re_Going_Home_Soon_by_SketchDalmatian.gif)
The description (also fail): "In case some of you might not know, I'm a huge prophecy freak! I collect newspapers, articles, magazines (cept for Weekly Wold News and Sun and stuff like that) and watch different shows and movies about prophecy. :D

This pic shows how I feel about all these events that are takin' place around the world at this moment. We are at the threshhold of Jesus comin' back! Please don't be left out! :thanks:"

Christian Love:  Because when people are slaughtered, it's a good thing.

And yes, that's supposed to be an anthropomorphic dalmatian, not a tiger.

Reminds me of the Cheetahmen from that Angry Video Game Nerd review.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 09, 2012, 07:49:01 PM
"Again, the moment you apply for any type of ownership is the moment that you subscribe to the social contract."

(http://www.plognark.com/Art/Sketches/Blogsketches/2008/thestupiditburns.jpg)
My Social ContractTM says he must become An Hero...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 10, 2012, 03:13:23 PM
"peer review is nothing but a tool for censorship so that certain interests can maintain control over govt money. only AtheistKult obsesses over peer review in order to bully people into accepting their ideas."--JBC
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 10, 2012, 03:24:53 PM
[yt]mGEiSlcJsSY[/yt]

Good lord, I was not expecting the person FE to be responding, to be even MORE arrogant and sobbish than FE...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 10, 2012, 03:32:17 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on February 09, 2012, 05:00:48 PM
(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs6/i/2005/056/6/b/We__re_Going_Home_Soon_by_SketchDalmatian.gif)
The description (also fail): "In case some of you might not know, I'm a huge prophecy freak! I collect newspapers, articles, magazines (cept for Weekly Wold News and Sun and stuff like that) and watch different shows and movies about prophecy. :D

This pic shows how I feel about all these events that are takin' place around the world at this moment. We are at the threshhold of Jesus comin' back! Please don't be left out! :thanks:"

Christian Love:  Because when people are slaughtered, it's a good thing.

And yes, that's supposed to be an anthropomorphic dalmatian, not a tiger.

OMFG!! it's the legendary furry f****ing fariy!!!

well, to be fair, he is partly right: I'm sure that there is in fact a Jesus coming back somewhere in latin America, who I'm sure sure is willing to share his blessings. Sorry, I've just watched a Morrakiu video. well, from his new channel anyways.

beyond that, this person is batshit insane.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 10, 2012, 05:49:31 PM
Leon Panetta on alleged Military cuts. ""You cannot buy three-quarters of a ship or a building,"

No, he could get 9 out of the 12 new ships he wants.

""Contracting personnel would be cut, resulting in delays in the contracts and the contract oversight that support the war, Payroll personnel would be cut, resulting in late payments to wartime vendors, and legal and policy support would be disrupted."

Oh no, Military Contractors that overcharge for things we shouldn't be buying anyway would be inconvenienced.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 10, 2012, 06:36:32 PM
http://www.iccr.org/issues/subpages/water.php

A choice of article I have to read out of a possible 10 for an assignment in my engineering ethics class.
Fucking shoot me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 10, 2012, 06:56:56 PM
Looked like an obvious fail to me as soon as I saw what the "I" stands for.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 10, 2012, 07:35:06 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on February 10, 2012, 06:36:32 PM
http://www.iccr.org/issues/subpages/water.php

A choice of article I have to read out of a possible 10 for an assignment in my engineering ethics class.
Fucking shoot me.

address, and preferred firearm of choice. I can then come over-though you'll have to pay for travel arrangements.  :P

frankly, I could always share any given Paul Krugman article I have to read for my current writing arguments assignment. luckily, I can at least say I rate them "fuckballs" in my papers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 10, 2012, 08:06:37 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 10, 2012, 07:35:06 PM
address, and preferred firearm of choice. I can then come over-though you'll have to pay for travel arrangements.  :P
123 Fake Street, The Moon, and the spaghetti cannon. :P  And I hope you accept monopoly board game money. ^_^

But seriously, yeah...the worst part is we discuss them in class with several elitist pricks.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 10, 2012, 09:09:54 PM
[yt]kl1ujzRidmU[/yt]
The first video I've ever flagged both bullying and child abuse.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 10, 2012, 09:50:32 PM
From the above video's comment section:

"Epic win on this one. Kids have it to easy these days. I mean seriously, is it that hard to do what is asked of you? I mean one of my big chores growing up was going and mowing five acres every couple of weeks. Once I started working my parents wouldnt by me anything unless it was a gift for my birthday or the holidays. Ordinarily I would say that it was a waste of a laptop and ammo, but in this case it is justified." --yuu2005
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 10, 2012, 10:22:03 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on February 10, 2012, 09:09:54 PM
[yt]kl1ujzRidmU[/yt]
The first video I've ever flagged both bullying and child abuse.

saw it this afternoon actually. if he really wanted to punish her, why didn't he just appropriate the PC for himself for a few days? with the way he dealt with it, it's only going to make the relationship between the two worse. I ought to know, I saw my brothers' reactions to similar things my parents did.

then again, I'm putting more logic into it than he is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 11, 2012, 12:18:55 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 10, 2012, 10:22:03 PMI'm putting more logic into it than he is.
True, but then I'd say that a rock puts more logic and reason into it than the pillock in the video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 11, 2012, 07:16:07 PM
http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/The-true-cost-of-free-281742738#comments 

Darkone173's posts...

Do these people seriously think I've never heard all that patronizing, political gobbledeygook before?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 11, 2012, 10:15:46 PM
[yt]0Lu2A0m9_IQ[/yt]

More fail in the description:

"They have to.

Gould is a fraud:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/14/science/14skull.html

Race and Brain Size:
http://www.velesova-sloboda.org/archiv/pdf/lynn-race-differences-in-intelligence.pdf "
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 11, 2012, 10:58:15 PM
I love how not being a racist makes someone an "egalitarian". Kind of like claiming these racist militias he wants are some sort of free market utopia.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 12, 2012, 02:29:34 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on February 11, 2012, 10:15:46 PM
[yt]0Lu2A0m9_IQ[/yt]

More fail in the description:

"They have to.

Gould is a fraud:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/14/science/14skull.html

Race and Brain Size:
http://www.velesova-sloboda.org/archiv/pdf/lynn-race-differences-in-intelligence.pdf "

what I find funny is the PDF about race and brain size: they don't actually address the problem in question properly, and they (and fringeelements) are not very scrupulous in citing sources: half are severely outdated, and I detect hints of arguments "by majority"*, and definite quote mining in the paper itself, as well as in the video. the telling part is when you get to the tables of IQ (itself a useless measurement): look at it carefully, and you'll see a bleetingly obvious problem.

furthermore, he is making the ridiculous logical fallacy that "X is untrue, therefore, Y must be true" bullshit: just because Gould was wrong about the reasoning of a specific researcher, doesn't validate the idea that people actually are inferior mentally speaking to one another by race: all this new research reveals is that there are indeed variations in skull proportions-including absolute brain size. In fact, it is expected: brain size is a function not just of geography, but also of body size and even diet. and Gould was still correct in one respect: Brain size alone is not enough to explain intelligence. Neanderthals had bigger brains than we did-as far as I know, they haven't replaced us.

perhaps fringeelements should be more careful in picking his sources. and perhaps he himself needs a lesson in honesty.

*they harp on the whole "races are real" idea. and they cite some polish group or other as being in agreement that these exist.

EDIT: oh, and you should check out the criticism regarding Lynn and his research: he has been caught practicing dishonest sampling techniques (see the Wikipedia article on the author to see some examples-yes, I have verified it, and Wikipedia cites the sources well enough).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2012, 06:13:19 PM
"@AlpaDog1983 when you raise the highest income tax brackets, business owners take money they would've pocketed and reinvest it back into their businesses because if they hit those higher brackets, most of it goes to the government anyway. when the top bracket was 90% in the 50's, CEO's made about 40x the average worker - now that taxes are at an all-time low, CEO's are taking home upwards of 400x because they're keeping more for themselves and laying off workers to save $ instead of hiring." --EskimoShowdown, in the comments of this video:  [yt]TqFzhm89LEU[/yt]

Which is also a fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2012, 06:15:22 PM
[yt]QCqQRflUWd4[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 12, 2012, 07:40:53 PM
"and laying off workers to save $ instead of hiring."

It's ironic that Socialists used to claim that Capital owners made money from the workers labor without doing any work, but now they must obviously run a loss from any employee for that strategy to work.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 13, 2012, 12:02:31 AM
When Senator Jon Kyl was called on his BS for claiming90% of what  Planned Parenthood did was abortion when it is more like 3% his office released a statement.

"'his remark was not intended to be a factual statement"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 13, 2012, 12:49:48 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/07/opinion/07krugman.html (I think the fact that it's by Krugman should be warning enough).

though it's about College Educationa nd the Economy, he's blaming technology and globalization on the loss of middle class jobs. no mention of Govco's role.....

where's that Frenchman's article about boycotting the sun again?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 13, 2012, 02:51:14 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 13, 2012, 12:49:48 PMwhere's that Frenchman's article about boycotting the sun again?

Bastiat: http://bastiat.org/en/petition.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 13, 2012, 05:11:13 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 13, 2012, 02:51:14 PM
Bastiat: http://bastiat.org/en/petition.html

thanks. I needed it to feel better.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 15, 2012, 11:22:52 AM
Discussing why he is against contraception in general, not just mandatory coverage for contraceptives under Obamacare.

"One of the things I will talk about that no President has talked about before is I think the dangers of contraception in this country, the whole sexual libertine idea. Many in the Christian faith have said, "Well, that's okay. Contraception's okay."

It's not okay because it's a license to do things in the sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be. They're supposed to be within marriage, they are supposed to be for purposes that are, yes, conjugal, but also [inaudible], but also procreative. "

Rick Santorum

And why that now matters http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57377175-503544/poll-rick-santorum-takes-slight-lead-in-gop-race/?tag=contentMain;contentBody (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57377175-503544/poll-rick-santorum-takes-slight-lead-in-gop-race/?tag=contentMain;contentBody)

Luckily a lot of Ron Paul supporters can't stand him and I've gotten several of them to take a look at Lee Wrights as an alternative.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 15, 2012, 04:09:57 PM
QuoteFree markets do not self-correct abuses.
Free markets do not empower the little guy
Free markets do not optimize the use of the means of production.

Free markets do one thing, and one thing only: they set prices so as to balance supply and demand. Nothing more.


From the comments on this artice: http://www.cracked.com/article_19683_6-terrifying-user-agreements-youve-probably-accepted_p2.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 15, 2012, 06:27:17 PM
Quote from: VectorM on February 15, 2012, 04:09:57 PM
From the comments on this article: http://www.cracked.com/article_19683_6-terrifying-user-agreements-youve-probably-accepted_p2.html
One of the many reasons I avoid their article comments like the fucking plague--along with the porn/anime/video game forums.  Abandon logic, reason and sanity all ye who enter.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 16, 2012, 02:50:56 AM
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=abd6d40c15e0947af87ccdc6e4f3c469&t=230250

Quote
QuoteBut seriously. Why not just get rid of marriage all
Together. I mean the governments role in it. Why does government really need to be that involved in people's lives?

Because people want the things that require government involvement. Like wrongful death, immigration, inheritance, tax law, and of course divorce.

There are very few people who want to do away with all that.

I don't know how Shane could stand that place for so long.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 16, 2012, 07:42:58 AM
"    "They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn't get involved in cultural issues.

    That is not how traditional conservatives view the world. There is no such society that I'm aware of, where we've had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture."

    - Rick Santorum

This is for all the people that claim to be supporting Santorum because he's somehow for a limited Government.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 16, 2012, 07:51:25 AM
Quote from: VectorM on February 16, 2012, 02:50:56 AM
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=abd6d40c15e0947af87ccdc6e4f3c469&t=230250

Because people want the things that require government involvement. Like wrongful death, immigration, inheritance, tax law, and of course divorce.

There are very few people who want to do away with all that.

I don't know how Shane could stand that place for so long.

Wow at the fail:

Quote
QuoteOriginally Posted by Beerina
I do. It's none of the government's damned business.
Yes, it is. The government gives tax breaks to married couples, and pays for the courts to regulate the dissolution of marriages. That makes it their business.

QuoteAnd that can work out just fine if you get rid of other modern silliness such as equal rights for women (or any rights at all). As soon as women are back to being treated like property, there is no reason why a man should only have one wife. After all, I can have two cars and two shirts as well.

(Guess it's impossible for them all to be consenting adults. Guess it's also impossible for a woman to have multiple husbands, or a situation with 2 or more husbands and 2 or more wives.)

I couldn't bring myself to read beyond the first page. I do NOT miss that place!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 16, 2012, 07:52:18 AM
Quote from: Goaticus on February 16, 2012, 07:42:58 AM
"    "They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn't get involved in cultural issues.

    That is not how traditional conservatives view the world. There is no such society that I'm aware of, where we've had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture."

    - Rick Santorum

This is for all the people that claim to be supporting Santorum because he's somehow for a limited Government.

Santorum is for "limited government" the way the Pope is for "limited religion."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 16, 2012, 10:06:23 AM
From that same thread.

Quote
QuoteIt's established itself in those things, but that doesn't really answer the question of WHY should this be the case.
For the same reason that my local Chinese restaurant has the "Famile Feat #2"(sic). So many people want exactly the same thing (or close enough) that making a one-size-fits-all option is the most economical. It saves the couple involved and the government a ton of money and time.

Imagine if it were not the case:
Partners: We wanna get married.
JOP: Ok. You want Right of survivorship with that?
Partners: Yup.
JOP: Ok. You want joint child custody with that?
Partners: Yup.
JOP: Ok. You want joint property ownership with that?
Partners: Yup.
JOP: Ok. You want automatic inheritance with that?
(continue for appx 1000 more federal and state marriage benefits)

Poly groups can (and do) simply write their own contracts, like ordering al-la-carte at the aforementioned eatery with poor spelling (but awesome beef and peppers). Trying to make a one-size-fits-all option that takes multiple partners into account would be too much work for too little benefit.

Marriage would be a lot easier if religion hadn't decided to get caught up in what had been a purely state affair.

That last quote was bolded by me and...WOW...just...WOW. Not only is that so incredibly ironic, but I don't think he is even correct about that statement. Isn't marriage a state affair BECAUSE of religion?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 16, 2012, 10:09:15 AM
QuoteDespite the theories of equality between the sexes and even anecdotal examples of cases of polygamy with one wife and multiple husbands, in practice polygamy always ends up being dominated by cases of one man with multiple women. And the effects of polygamy when practiced widely are incredibly damaging to society. Men at the top of the social pyramid get multiple women, men at the bottom get nobody. And that leads to all sorts of social pathology, including widespread misogyny. It's no coincidence that polygamy is widespread in so many terribly screwed up societies (like Afghanistan, for example) but absent from basically every first-world country.

OK, that's the last quote from that forum, I am depressed enough already.

Edit: Shane, are you familiar with the JREF user "Ziggurat"? That guy is just one facepalm after another.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 16, 2012, 12:20:23 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 16, 2012, 07:51:25 AM
Wow at the fail:
Yes, it is. The government gives tax breaks to married couples, and pays for the courts to regulate the dissolution of marriages. That makes it their business.

(Guess it's impossible for them all to be consenting adults. Guess it's also impossible for a woman to have multiple husbands, or a situation with 2 or more husbands and 2 or more wives.)

I couldn't bring myself to read beyond the first page. I do NOT miss that place!

That's pretty much the way that one of Canada's courts rules when deciding that the mere fact that Canada's (partial, incidentally) bigamy prohibition is a blatant violation of the right to religious freedom recognized in our Constitution couldn't be enough to throw it out.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 16, 2012, 12:23:25 PM
Quote from: VectorM on February 16, 2012, 10:06:23 AM
From that same thread.
For the same reason that my local Chinese restaurant has the "Famile Feat #2"(sic). So many people want exactly the same thing (or close enough) that making a one-size-fits-all option is the most economical. It saves the couple involved and the government a ton of money and time.

Imagine if it were not the case:
Partners: We wanna get married.
JOP: Ok. You want Right of survivorship with that?
Partners: Yup.
JOP: Ok. You want joint child custody with that?
Partners: Yup.
JOP: Ok. You want joint property ownership with that?
Partners: Yup.
JOP: Ok. You want automatic inheritance with that?
(continue for appx 1000 more federal and state marriage benefits)

Poly groups can (and do) simply write their own contracts, like ordering al-la-carte at the aforementioned eatery with poor spelling (but awesome beef and peppers). Trying to make a one-size-fits-all option that takes multiple partners into account would be too much work for too little benefit.

Marriage would be a lot easier if religion hadn't decided to get caught up in what had been a purely state affair.

That last quote was bolded by me and...WOW...just...WOW. Not only is that so incredibly ironic, but I don't think he is even correct about that statement. Isn't marriage a state affair BECAUSE of religion?

No, actually, or at least not directly.  Marriage is a state affair (at least the way it's done now, with licenses and State restrictions on who can officiate) because of racism.  The real reason that governments took control of marriage in the US, at least, was to prevent black people and white people from marrying each other.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 16, 2012, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: VectorM on February 16, 2012, 10:09:15 AM
Shane, are you familiar with the JREF user "Ziggurat"?

(Sigh) Yes...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 16, 2012, 08:26:57 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on February 16, 2012, 12:23:25 PM
No, actually, or at least not directly.  Marriage is a state affair (at least the way it's done now, with licenses and State restrictions on who can officiate) because of racism.  The real reason that governments took control of marriage in the US, at least, was to prevent black people and white people from marrying each other.

What I mean is, that the entire idea of state controlled marriage in the western world, historically, started because of religion. But i haven't really done much he research on it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 16, 2012, 11:27:36 PM
"Did you know every time you shop there you support the bombing of innocent people?"

Racist moron outside of Middle Eastern restaurant that I get takeout from.

My response was "Of course, but I don't know any restaurants that don't pay taxes."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 17, 2012, 06:28:41 AM
Good response!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 17, 2012, 09:40:25 AM
Quote from: Goaticus on February 16, 2012, 11:27:36 PM
"Did you know every time you shop there you support the bombing of innocent people?"

Racist moron outside of Middle Eastern restaurant that I get takeout from.

My response was "Of course, but I don't know any restaurants that don't pay taxes."

ZING!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 17, 2012, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on February 16, 2012, 11:27:36 PM
"Did you know every time you shop there you support the bombing of innocent people?"

Racist moron outside of Middle Eastern restaurant that I get takeout from.

My response was "Of course, but I don't know any restaurants that don't pay taxes."


skip to 2:55:

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of course, since it's a must, here is more fail:

http://dinosaurtheory.com/thick_atmosphere.html

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmor.10752/pdf
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 18, 2012, 04:04:57 PM
"@eshah100

I have read the program. not more than 5 of the 25 points are partially socialist. strasser from the NSDAP was only partly a socialist, Hitler wanted to protect the private property.

only because in the NSDAP the words "worker" and "socialist" are included does not mean that that the NSDAP was a socialist workers party."--flyingtractor
in this video's comment section:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g6ctonQoGA
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 18, 2012, 06:51:16 PM
"Honestly, all I think they need is a good beatin'. My father did that to us and we turned out just fine." - my uncle

He said this in reference of his step kids whenever they "get out of line." This also includes his autistic step son.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 18, 2012, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: D on February 18, 2012, 06:51:16 PM
"Honestly, all I think they need is a good beatin'. My father did that to us and we turned out just fine." - my uncle

He said this in reference of his step kids whenever they "get out of line." This also includes his autistic step son.

Being a violent childbeater seems just fine, indeed.

QuoteSo This documentary aired on the 12th Feb and I just heard about it and watched it on iPlayer. It paints a very bleak picture of the problem of poverty in the USA - the richest country in the world (tm). Where I live poor people automatically qualify for benefits as long as they make a fair effort toward finding work - that is not the case in the USA apparantly.

Here's the link for those that can view it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode..._Poor_America/

Seems to me the USA needs a bit more socialism, except socialism means communism in the USA which is a dirty word associated with global nuclear holocaust...

Then you've got the problem of Barrack Obama being unwilling to alienate the 1% (multi-millionnaires) by increasing taxation of the richest/campaigning for worker's rights because those multi-millionnaires pick up the bill for campaign/propoganda necessary to ensure (re)election - if only there were a modest limit on campaign expenditure that wouldn't be a problem. I hear this issue is discussed from time to time but the unlimited campaign contributions angle wins out because to regulate otherwise would breach "freedom of speech". Hardly.

People keep saying "planned economies don't work." Well, unplanned economies don't work perfectly either and anyway they're massively planned/regulated already so the whole thing's a social anchovy stigmata word pickle. America needs more socialism...surely that much is true.

In the UK we've just started "employing" prisoners to work for a fraction of the minimum wage - a trick picked up by our neo-condem overlords from the other side of the pond. David Miliband's got a speech impediment - he couldn't run a pissup in a brewery. Some new socialism needed here too...it's a global problem really I bet.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=c346afaa0dc3134580f73a29949c3f7d&t=230515
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 18, 2012, 11:26:16 PM
Quote from: some idiot VectorM quoted
Seems to me the USA needs a bit more socialism, except socialism means communism in the USA which is a dirty word associated with global nuclear holocaust...

maybe because communism is a particularly obnoxious variant of socialism, and that states that follow a true socialistic/communistic policy tend to you know, suck while they are at it? like Cuba, the former USSR, the People's (loln00b) republic of China, North Korea, Cambodia under Pol Pot?

oh, and because we had a 45-year cold war that involved two or three near incidents of outright nuclear war, like maybe the Cuban missile crisis?

just throwing it out there.....

Quote from: some idiot VectorM quotedPeople keep saying "planned economies don't work." Well, unplanned economies don't work perfectly either

apparently someone is denser than Uranium, since he seems to confuse people saying "it doesn't work" for "doesn't work perfectly". I do not primarily speak English-Arabic is my thing, but IIRC, these two essentially mean different things. or is there some unknown grammatical or lexical rule in English I'm missing?

Quote from: the same idiot VectorM quotedand anyway they're massively planned/regulated already so the whole thing's a social anchovy stigmata word pickle. America needs more socialism...surely that much is true.

but wouldn't that automatically make those planned economies as well? and in turn, wouldn't that automatically ruin his entire premise that we need more economic planning? if so, why the fuck is he advocating even more planning? it sounds like a guy shooting a guy to heal said guy's gunshot wound.

I can only conclude that it's not more socialism we need-just that some people need to get a grip.....or a great big cup of STFU.



Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 18, 2012, 11:46:18 PM
@Ibrahim90:  Nope, your understanding of English in this instance is accurate. :)

And yes, it really bewilders the mind how people can implicitly refer to a country with all 28 planks of the 1928 U.S. Socialist Party platform AND all 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto enacted for at least a decade now as a primarily capitalist nation.
They're cultists.  It's simple as that.

And yeah, I've been the route of posting bullshit from the JREF forum here.  Christ those people are fucking thick.  Some of the worst I've ever seen.  One of them (from Denmark IIRC) danced around the idea of government being force like a fucking pro.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 19, 2012, 12:24:58 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 18, 2012, 11:26:16 PM
maybe because communism is a particularly obnoxious variant of socialism, and that states that follow a true socialistic/communistic policy tend to you know, suck while they are at it? like Cuba, the former USSR, the People's (loln00b) republic of China, North Korea, Cambodia under Pol Pot?

Later in the thread he said he might like it in Cuba, because the UK was such a free-market hellhole  ::)

And I am pretty sure he has a load of excuses for the others. "But the USSR wasn't real communism; they would be fine if they didn't spend so much on the military; China has a planned economy and it works fine;" etc.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 19, 2012, 12:41:27 AM
Quote from: VectorM on February 19, 2012, 12:24:58 AM
Later in the thread he said he might like it in Cuba, because the UK was such a free-market hellhole  ::)

And I am pretty sure he has a load of excuses for the others. "But the USSR wasn't real communism; they would be fine if they didn't spend so much on the military; China has a planned economy and it works fine;" etc.

IIRC, there was a guy somewhere who made a video about how well Cuba is doing-at least with their truly socialist medicine:

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though frankly, I'm sure he'd accuse this guy (a Cuban-American of all people) of lying.

and of course, this asshole is going to gloss over the fact that the "gains" the USSR made cost it several million lives in the 1930's, or that China has been becoming increasingly freer in its economic policies*, and hence are ironically, increasingly more capitalist than the USA...srsly, whoever thought 30 years ago that such a thing would happen?


*of course, it's still a shit system, that will burn out sooner or later. and it's clearly not working equally: anyone here also know about the recent revolt in Southeastern China?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 19, 2012, 12:56:47 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 19, 2012, 12:41:27 AM[yt]watch?v=IUSdYY243pk&context=C31aac98ADOEgsToPDskJ16ZJA6uT8yxUglDG53x5j[/yt]

It doesn't work.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 19, 2012, 01:01:33 AM
try again. I made a mistake in linking it   :shrug:
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 19, 2012, 04:00:03 AM
Sigh, the top comment on that video:

Quoteare you Kidding me?
dude where I live Meds are sky high, ppl r dying 'cause they can't go to a good Hospital and all ur saying is this BS.
U wanna know why Cuba is the best 'cause they have a healthcare system similar to that of Europe or Japan.
and to be honest (and I mean no disrespect) most of the people who had fled Cuba for the US where the Fat Cats that lost everything once Castro came into power.
Viva La Revolucion Coñio!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 19, 2012, 04:23:52 AM
Quote from: VectorM on February 19, 2012, 04:00:03 AM
Sigh, the top comment on that video:

you just have to love the mentality he has: it's little better than a conspiritard. I mean, he has the evidence graphically caught on tape, by doctors, and all he has is: "they're just butt-hurt fat-cats". yeah, which is why one of the sources he sights is a work by Canadian researchers, and another is some random tourist dude who recorded how his Cuban wife couldn't get into a hotel.

based on that, I'd have to say he didn't actually watch the video frankly. then again, I am assuming he is operating somehow, someway, on the more basic rules of logic. I doubt it, but at least it's out there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 19, 2012, 11:36:56 PM
not a fail quote, but a fail action:

-some student from a nearby room just got arrested or something because he was doing something that emitted a sickly sweet smell. I'm not sure what it is that would make that smell, but I suspect it's Marijuana or something, since this is Colorado.

yeah, I really am this clueless about drugs XD
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on February 20, 2012, 05:11:06 PM
Pretty much everything said by founoe in the comments on this video:

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He may or may not be trying to troll me; if he is, he's not doing a very good job.

One thing I had to point out was this little contradiction right here:

Quote from: founoe
@Altimadark "then you shouldn't have a problem"

You'll pretty much say whatever crazy shit you have to rather than admit we need governments for certain things, don't you?

"rather than force everybody to pay for [The Large Hadron Collider] via taxation"

You see, the problem is that people are too dumb to know their own good. We need experts to tell us what we need.

I say that's a fail quote all on its own, but them I remembered this little gem:

Quote from: founoe
@Altimadark "because government clearly has all the power"

No, that would be the exact opposite of what socialism strives for. Well, depending on how you put it. The people should be the government, and the power should lie with the people, so...

Who's the one saying whatever crazy stuff he has to? ::)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 20, 2012, 05:21:36 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on February 20, 2012, 05:11:06 PM
Pretty much everything said by founoe in the comments on this video:

He may or may not be trying to troll me; if he is, he's not doing a very good job.

One thing I had to point out was this little contradiction right here:

I say that's a fail quote all on its own, but them I remembered this little gem:

Who's the one saying whatever crazy stuff he has to? ::)

And this, boys and girls, is (one of) the contradictions of statism/socialism:  People are too stupid to rule themselves, ergo we need a state.  But who's going to make up that state besides those same stupid people.

Roughly the same idea, really.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 20, 2012, 06:36:30 PM
"Freedom isn't about doing what you want to do, but what you ought to do." - Rick Santorum
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 20, 2012, 06:45:20 PM
Quote from: D on February 20, 2012, 06:36:30 PM
"Freedom isn't about doing what you want to do, but what you ought to do." - Rick Santorum
I swear, it's taking me ever fiber of my being to not make a joke regarding lube (Click here, those of you who don't get the reference. (http://spreadingsantorum.com/)).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 20, 2012, 09:34:04 PM
Quote from: D on February 20, 2012, 06:36:30 PM
"Freedom isn't about doing what you want to do, but what you ought to do." - Rick Santorum

but wouldn't that make Freedom=coercion by his definition?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 20, 2012, 09:46:51 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 20, 2012, 09:34:04 PMbut wouldn't that make Freedom=coercion by his definition?

Yes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 20, 2012, 11:39:57 PM
QuoteAnd this, boys and girls, is (one of) the contradictions of statism/socialism:  People are too stupid to rule themselves, ergo we need a state.  But who's going to make up that state besides those same stupid people.

Roughly the same idea, really.
BUT WE WILL VOTE FOR SMART PEOPLE. AND EXPERTS.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 21, 2012, 12:59:00 AM
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It's not so much the faulty logic, it's the smarminess and the arrogance of him. This extends to the comments as well.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 21, 2012, 02:51:25 PM
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Fail because of the constant conflation of Libertarian & Conservative and the slight tinge of Ron Paul worship near the end.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 21, 2012, 04:42:55 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 21, 2012, 12:59:00 AM
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It's not so much the faulty logic, it's the smarminess and the arrogance of him. This extends to the comments as well.

well, if you want my opinion, I find "theft" to be inaccurate.....

[spoiler]
it's too generic, and doesn't convey the violence involved.

I suggest Taxation=robbery instead. I argue this b/c theft is simply taking property without permission (granted, it's used as shorthand for things like Robbery, but still). Robbery is taking or attempting to take property by force or threat of force-which is what Government does.[/spoiler]

;)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on February 21, 2012, 07:57:58 PM
I'm not sure what's more depressing; that he's still going or that I am.

Quote from: Altimadark@founoe If you haven't measured how much funding basic research needs, how can you claim it doesn't get enough from the private sector?

Quote from: founoeBecause it simply does not happen. Private enterprise does not, or very rarely, invest in something that is unlikely to yield a direct benefit. That is why we need government to do those investments for us, to open up new fields that can yield a direct benefit.

Quote from: AltimadarkSRI International, RAND Corporation, HMMI, Monell Chemical Research Center, Bitterroot Basic Research, and Guidestar are all private firms engaged in basic research. Took me 5 minutes to look them up.

So I ask, how can you claim the private sector doesn't engage in enough basic research such that we need government to get involved?

Quote from: founoe"Took me 5 minutes to look them up."

That explains why the information is so useless.

"So I ask, how can you claim the private sector doesn't engage in enough basic research such that we need government to get involved?"

I don't know if you noticed, but all you did was to name a few organizations that handles basic research. But this says nothing. Government funded basic research is vastly bigger.

I'm getting more convinced that he's just trying to troll me, but who can say for sure?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 21, 2012, 09:48:01 PM
(http://oi43.tinypic.com/34xqa8z.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 22, 2012, 05:18:20 AM
Some people are in to that, what cna you do?  :shrug:
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 22, 2012, 06:24:54 AM
Quote from: VectorM on February 22, 2012, 05:18:20 AM
Some people are in to that, what cna you do?  :shrug:

There's a big difference between what they're fantasizing about and what he really did.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 22, 2012, 08:00:12 PM
"I don't know why keeping the county safe is antithetical to the values of Yale," - Mayor Michael Bloomberg

This was his response to Yale for speaking out against the NYPD spying on Muslim students within various colleges in the northeast.

You can read the full story in this thread (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=1368.0).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 26, 2012, 06:49:33 PM
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The entire bit where Santorum talks about Kennedy's "Separation of Church and State" speech.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on February 27, 2012, 01:54:07 PM
This entire post

Ron Paul is not a conservative.  Nor any other stripe of Republican, nor of democrat.  He is a libertarian.  Another word for that, taken to its extreme, is anarchist.  The political theory combines the worst things conservatives say about liberals, with the worst things liberals say about conservatives.

From the Republican side, conservatives believe in limited government, individual responsibility, and the use of discernment and judgement in dealing with those who wish subsidy from others.  Libertarians, bluntly, believe in no government.  Think of that.  No roads, no schools, no police, no assistance for those in true need, no military, no money other than barter and prescious metals, no courts, no safety or conservation regulations, no jails.  Just man in his natural state.

The danger of Ron Paul, to Republicans, comes from history.  The majority of democrat victories, since Roosevelt finally died, have been plurality events.  The American system works best, and particularly works best for Republicans, when there is a dicotomous choice between two candidates.  If he, or some equally quixotic candidate such as Trump or Bloomburg, runs "independent", as Perot twice did (and to be fair the combination of Nader and Buchannon did once) saddle us with a president most people voted against.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 27, 2012, 02:35:34 PM
"From the Republican side, conservatives believe in limited government, individual responsibility, and the use of discernment and judgement in dealing with those who wish subsidy from others.  "

They are branded as that, but I've seen no evidence that Conservatives especially Santorum believe in any form of limited Government or individual responsibility.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 27, 2012, 06:50:50 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 27, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Why do people bad-mouth insider trading?  If it were truly made illegal, then no CEO or board member could sell or trade his/her own stock.  Also, why the conflation of it to fraud?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 27, 2012, 11:00:22 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on February 27, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Why do people bad-mouth insider trading?  If it were truly made illegal, then no CEO or board member could sell or trade his/her own stock.  Also, why the conflation of it to fraud?

It's an unfair advantage to those who are too lazy to do their homework on what they invest in.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 28, 2012, 03:58:17 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on February 27, 2012, 01:54:07 PM
This entire post

Ron Paul is not a conservative.  Nor any other stripe of Republican, nor of democrat.  He is a libertarian.  Another word for that, taken to its extreme, is anarchist.  The political theory combines the worst things conservatives say about liberals, with the worst things liberals say about conservatives.

From the Republican side, conservatives believe in limited government, individual responsibility, and the use of discernment and judgement in dealing with those who wish subsidy from others.  Libertarians, bluntly, believe in no government.  Think of that.  No roads, no schools, no police, no assistance for those in true need, no military, no money other than barter and prescious metals, no courts, no safety or conservation regulations, no jails.  Just man in his natural state.

The danger of Ron Paul, to Republicans, comes from history.  The majority of democrat victories, since Roosevelt finally died, have been plurality events.  The American system works best, and particularly works best for Republicans, when there is a dicotomous choice between two candidates.  If he, or some equally quixotic candidate such as Trump or Bloomburg, runs "independent", as Perot twice did (and to be fair the combination of Nader and Buchannon did once) saddle us with a president most people voted against.

Where is this from?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on February 28, 2012, 08:49:03 AM
@VectorM

The politics thread in the506.com forums
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 28, 2012, 09:19:05 AM
Facebook FoF: "Claiming that all anecdotal evidence is invalid in a discussion about real-world conditions is a tactic of the Establishment to disenfranchise the real-world experiences of oppressed people."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 28, 2012, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 28, 2012, 09:19:05 AM
Facebook FoF: "Claiming that all anecdotal evidence is invalid in a discussion about real-world conditions is a tactic of the Establishment to disenfranchise the real-world experiences of oppressed people."

The only valid use for anecdotal evidence is to debunk a false claim that something never happens or cannot happen.  If you want to make and claim about what conditions actually are, you need real data with a proper statistical analysis (statistics has the unusual property of being the only branch of mathematics where you're interested in how likely you are to be wrong to any particular degree).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 28, 2012, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on February 28, 2012, 12:58:03 PM
The only valid use for anecdotal evidence is to debunk a false claim that something never happens or cannot happen.  If you want to make and claim about what conditions actually are, you need real data with a proper statistical analysis (statistics has the unusual property of being the only branch of mathematics where you're interested in how likely you are to be wrong to any particular degree).
And even then, that's only if the anecdote is falsifiable.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 28, 2012, 02:55:57 PM
"'You have to ask Congressman Paul and Governor Romney what they've got going together,'   'Their commercials look a lot alike and so do their attacks.'

Rick Santorum

I see Republicans are still acting like pre-adolescents instead of adults. Also notice Santorum makes up a conspiracy theory instead of claiming they are wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 28, 2012, 03:30:10 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on February 28, 2012, 02:55:57 PM
"'You have to ask Congressman Paul and Governor Romney what they've got going together,'   'Their commercials look a lot alike and so do their attacks.'

Rick Santorum

I see Republicans are still acting like pre-adolescents instead of adults. Also notice Santorum makes up a conspiracy theory instead of claiming they are wrong.

because he knows he's a disgusting vile human being unfit to be in a civilized country?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 28, 2012, 07:50:54 PM
"IM IN THE US ARMY SUPPORT YOUR TROOPS OR GO FUCK YOUR SELF!"

My cousin.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 29, 2012, 12:33:17 AM
"Nazism is a form of Free Market Capitalism." --Various Marxists
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 29, 2012, 09:41:56 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on February 29, 2012, 12:33:17 AM
"Nazism is a form of Free Market Capitalism." --Various Marxists

Want to frustrate people who say that?  Ask them point blank what was the name of Hitler's political party when he was running.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 29, 2012, 04:46:57 PM
This was posted on another forum, which had a Religion vs. Atheism thread.

QuoteYou know, since the day I joined, I tried to stay away from this thread, being that I could care less for the belief of others . . . but both sides are being equally hypocritical lately.

Let me start by saying that I'm Christian. Not Lutheran, not Baptist, not Catholic, just Christian.

Now, my reason for following Christianity is simply because I believe in the message it has. I do well to be as kind as I can in the real world. Most people do, whether they believe in God or not.

And not just the Old Testament, as Jesus himself said that some of those writings were a bit stupid and outdated. But the general message of spreading love when you can.

And that's all.

Not any teachings or any proof, just belief. Belief in a principle.

Atheism and Religion are pretty much the same.

It's all belief.

Buddhism says you'll be in Nirvana, at peace.
Christianity says you'll be in Heaven, at peace.
Atheism says you'll be at peace. Just without the imagery.

The thing is, both sides have this set of people who say things like "stop trying to shove your belief down my throat", as they fight to switch people to their belief.

Both sides have these people who switch simply because they can see one reason that deems their belief invalid.

Both have zen. People who make peace with it all and choose to let everyone live their lives accordingly.

The point is, what you do here is what you do here. There are many Christians who break their "rules" because they seem unfair. Just as there are many Atheists who still celebrate Christmas for the joy in brings into their life.

The general message of all religion (except maybe Satanism) is that you should enjoy your life without stepping on the lives of others. And there are not many who can follow that rule. So when people find those special ones that can, they tend to believe that these people are of some sort of higher power (Dalai Lama, Pope, etc.) and they follow them instead of the general message of the religion.

What I'm saying is that religion has gotten a bad rep, simply because of the people in it and not entirely the religion itself.

However, without religion, Atheism would fail. People say Atheism is the belief of nothingness after life, but I think it's simply the rejection of religion. If religion never existed, would Atheism be named? Would it have a title or would things go on as normal?

You see, to those who take up the TITLE of Atheism, you already say that you are simply rejecting the beliefs of Religion. For if things like Religion were never spoke of, neither would things like Atheism be.

I guess I'm trying to say that in this huge difference between these beliefs, we're actually more alike than we think.

Well, now that I've said all of that, I'll explain my reason for believing in God.

Art.

The universe has always appeared to me as a well-drawn picture.

In art, when you make a mistake or leave something out, it becomes the question of the bigger picture (where is the Sphinx's nose, where is Mona Lisa's eyebrows). This causes people to wonder for years and years, never truly finding the right answer. After awhile, some people start to think that it was intentional and thus, they preach their reason to other people. Some believe it's unfinished, that it was never given the opportunity.

But it causes people to spectacle and praise it's work regardless, they claim it beautiful despite the flaws. And although there are some that reject it's beauty in general, they still revel in the genius of it all.

I see the universe, I see the trees and the shapes and colors they can change into. I see the stars and the constellations they form. I see pictures of Nebulae in all their beauty. Even the sun, which is a ball of light, has texture to it. This art, I can never picture such things as an accident, even if it was before man conceived the meaning of accident. They seem so perfect.

Then it's us. Humans. We're the mistake. Something was left out. We can never seem to bring ourselves to peace. We wage war for different reasons, we need guidance to keep us steady. We fight with each other, we kill each other. We impose our nature on animals, plants, even nature itself. But the reason behind it is never clear. We ponder it. Some believe it was intentional that we be this way. Some believe it to be that we're unfinished as people. That we must be made whole. And then there are those who just reject the beauty of life in general and get it over with (suicide, homicide, etc.).

But regardless of this mistake, we praise the beauty of it all. Even those who reject appreciate the genius of it.

The thing is, with art, you never quite claim it to be a mistake. You try to find reason in art, but you never look at it as a general mistake. You never think that someone just haphazardly stroked a brush and got this beautiful work. You never figure that some paint cans just spilled a masterpiece. It's work that was made so carefully.

But for all art, there has to be an artist.

So, I question the artist's goal with this masterpiece. I wonder whether it's intentional or unfinished. But, I will never question if there was a genius behind it all, carefully planning his strokes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 29, 2012, 05:19:07 PM
QuoteThe thing is, both sides have this set of people who say things like "stop trying to shove your belief down my throat",

Yeah, that would be those who love freedom and liberty.

Quoteas they fight to switch people to their belief.

Fight? As in, violence? I don't think so. Although there are numerous religious wars and violence, I haven't seen a single atheist use violence to try and convert others. So you must be using "fight" as a euphemism for intellectual persuasion, to which I answer, what's wrong with that?

QuoteBoth sides have these people who switch simply because they can see one reason that deems their belief invalid.

That's what you SHOULD do when you find a reason your belief is invalid! Yet you say this as if it's a bad thing.

QuoteJust as there are many Atheists who still celebrate Christmas for the joy in brings into their life.

Just like Christians celebrate Christmas using the ancient pagan practice of decorating trees and positioning it after the solstice so their sympathetic magic can bring about springtime. See? Two can play at that game!

QuoteWhat I'm saying is that religion has gotten a bad rep, simply because of the people in it and not entirely the religion itself.

The religion IS the people in it. It can't ever be anything else.

QuoteHowever, without religion, Atheism would fail. People say Atheism is the belief of nothingness after life, but I think it's simply the rejection of religion. If religion never existed, would Atheism be named? Would it have a title or would things go on as normal?

You see, to those who take up the TITLE of Atheism, you already say that you are simply rejecting the beliefs of Religion. For if things like Religion were never spoke of, neither would things like Atheism be.

And no one would love for that to be the situation more than atheists. We only take on the moniker because of religious people getting in our faces.

QuoteIn art, when you make a mistake or leave something out, it becomes the question of the bigger picture (where is the Sphinx's nose, where is Mona Lisa's eyebrows).

The Sphinx originally had a nose; it was chiseled off by Sufi Muslims. Likewise, the Mona Lisa originally had eyebrows (although they would have been scant, since proper ladies plucked theirs) that have faded away due to time and restoration attempts.* Way not to do research!

QuoteI see the stars and the constellations they form.

They really don't, you know. Constellations are just inventions of the human imagination.

QuoteEven the sun, which is a ball of light, has texture to it. This art, I can never picture such things as an accident, even if it was before man conceived the meaning of accident. They seem so perfect.

The sun hardly seems perfect to anyone who's seen it through a powerful-enough telescope!

QuoteWe impose our nature on animals, plants, even nature itself.

Like you have done in this very post. There is one field of human endeavor, however, that flat out refuses to do this: science.

QuoteYou never think that someone just haphazardly stroked a brush and got this beautiful work.

I take it you've never seen Jackson Pollock.

QuoteBut for all art, there has to be an artist.

Except for when it doesn't, when natural processes that are very well understood make beautiful things like sunsets and the nebulae you mentioned. Art is in the eye of the beholder. So really, after all this, we're left with nothing more than the centuries-long-refuted teleological argument.

(*-Another occasion where I get to use my art degree!)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 29, 2012, 05:41:09 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on February 29, 2012, 09:41:56 AM
Want to frustrate people who say that?  Ask them point blank what was the name of Hitler's political party when he was running.
To which the usual response is, "So what?  North Korea is called 'The People's Democratic Republic', but it isn't a republic, or democratic!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 29, 2012, 07:49:44 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on February 29, 2012, 05:41:09 PM
To which the usual response is, "So what?  North Korea is called 'The People's Democratic Republic', but it isn't a republic, or democratic!"

well, you can avoid that by simply listing the party platform in detail-both in their books, and in action. it is very explicit:

1-an economy policy that is anticapitalist, anti big business, and anti "bourgeoisie". it's also anti-communist and "socialist" sensu communism and social democrats. this strand of socialism is called [wiki]Strasserism[/wiki]
2-strong central command, based around a führer (lit. leader). no private property was acknowledged, unless it directly furthered Nazi aims; those that didn't were immediately subject to nationalization by force, or the threat of the aformentioned. (e.g. the Junkers airplane company)
3-an economy not only that is centralized, but built for military rearmament and for the maintenance of "germaness".

worth noting is that in their propoganda, the NSDAP under Hitler toned down the socialism aspect, so as to sucker the big businesses. this led to a split within the party, though that is another story. either way, the NSDAP was clearly in favor of a socialist or socialist like economic policy, built around a central economy.

the list goes on. simply put, there is not evidence to support the idea that the NSDAP actually supported any form of free market. they may have talked like they were, but they were not. and of course, they were nationalists too, whose nationalism is built around racism, especially towards Jews.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 29, 2012, 10:30:14 PM
This video is bullshit. The Constitution is not a limit imposed upon us. The Constitution is amendable... it says so in the Constitution! And calling for a Constitutional amendment defining marriage as a union of one man and one woman isn't unconstitutional! And that's what we have to do or else gay marriage will become law according to the liberals in many states. Gay marriage is an abomination. Homosexuality is NOT normal. They're trying to normalize it because it's NOT normal. - DOHC2L

That was his comment on this video:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 03, 2012, 05:58:27 PM
I split off the gold standard discussion to a new thread: https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=1375.0
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 04, 2012, 08:34:53 PM
If your eight-year-old is stealing a little old lady's house payment, hit him. PLEASE! I mean it. If your kid is in the realm of honest-to-God crime, and sending him to his room isn't helping, DO SOMETHING!

Someone posted that comment when I posted this video:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 04, 2012, 08:56:07 PM
Quote from: D on March 04, 2012, 08:34:53 PM
If your eight-year-old is stealing a little old lady's house payment, hit him. PLEASE! I mean it. If your kid is in the realm of honest-to-God crime, and sending him to his room isn't helping, DO SOMETHING!

Someone posted that comment when I posted this video:
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that didn't work for my brother....

of course, it didn't help that evidence points to him being innocent.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 05, 2012, 01:22:58 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-rich-people-need-to-stop-saying/

Oy vey...let's take this on point by point.

6. Okay yeah, perspective is a good thing.  No arguments here.

5. "The only reason I have a hundred times more money than you is because I work a hundred times as hard!"
Nobody is saying that.  That's a gross oversimplification.  Rich people work hard  but they also took bigger financial risks, meaning all that hard work could easily have been for nothing had anything gone wrong.

It's not just a matter of how much you work, it's where you work and how you went about it.  WAY more factors involved that he's implying.

4. Well that WOULD be the case if regulation and barriers to entry weren't keeping many people from doing so but that's not the rich people's fault, it's the governments.  Stop being so easily distracted people.  You're being duped.

Also nobody saying we could have a society where everyone is an investment banker.  In a free society, there will be people who don't want to put in all that overtime and would rather just do the bare minimum to get by and live the simple life.  That's perfectly fine.

The goal of libertarians is a society where poverty is optional.

3. Nope, the hippies are jealous.  Let's just stop the self righteousness and call things what they are.

The comparison only proves that it's driven by bigotry and not by morals.  If you're a business man, oh you MUST have stolen it!  No way you worked for it by giving people something they wanted.

People blather on about how the rich should chip in but what they forget is, the rich ALREADY chipped in, that's how they got rich!  By providing society with something that they happily gave you their money for.  Demanding they chip in after the fact is double dipping.

2. Again, double dipping.  They already gave in their share which you paid them for.  You don't also get a cut of their profits when you didn't lift a finger to make their business happen or take any financial risks.  Get your fangs out and stop bloodsucking.

1. Aaaaand now we come to the real bogosity.

I don't owe my mother for raising me.  She took on that duty by her own choice and I didn't have a say in the matter.
I got smart DESPITE the school system, not because of it.  Stop encouraging that glorified mafia already!

Nobody's talking about disconnecting from society.  The point that completely went over Mr Wong's head here is that demanding handouts using state force makes you an asshole.  Once again, he just overstates the case to the point where he looks like a clueless twat.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on March 05, 2012, 07:10:16 PM
While the article really is a fail, anything that makes Wayne Allyn Root look like an even bigger douche than he is already is alright in my book.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on March 05, 2012, 07:11:09 PM
QuoteI love the Patriot Act because it keeps us safe from terrorists, liberals and Marxists alike.

*Just stares*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 05, 2012, 08:03:30 PM
"Spanking is ok to me and isn't violence like @D is making it seem its only violence when done out of anger or with the intent to harm the person yes spankings hurt but its not to cause pain its to discipline and show that there are consequenses for certain actions you get rewarded when you do good and if you go to school and curse your teacher you get your ass spanked well for me any way and my 3 siblings and we all turned out great. Also most of my freinds I grew up with got whippings growing up and they all turned out decent or at least aren't out comitting crimes or are scarred from it."

Yes, because your emotions at the time totally dictate whether or not something is an act of violence right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 05, 2012, 08:32:01 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 05, 2012, 01:22:58 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-rich-people-need-to-stop-saying/

4. Well that WOULD be the case if regulation and barriers to entry weren't keeping many people from doing so but that's not the rich people's fault, it's the governments.  Stop being so easily distracted people.  You're being duped.

Not only that, but their entire argument is a Zero Sum Fallacy. Rich people for the most part get rich by CREATING wealth, not fighting for it and taking it from others.

I'd like to nominate the whole schmeer for Most Ignorant Article Ever.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 05, 2012, 09:13:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 05, 2012, 08:32:01 PM
Not only that, but their entire argument is a Zero Sum Fallacy. Rich people for the most part get rich by CREATING wealth, not fighting for it and taking it from others.

I'd like to nominate the whole schmeer for Most Ignorant Article Ever.

Any chance of a biggest bogon emitter/idiot extraordinaire award?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on March 05, 2012, 09:47:45 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on March 05, 2012, 09:13:51 PM
Any chance of a biggest bogon emitter/idiot extraordinaire award?

It probably deserves it, but I still can't hate it that much because he did a good job of making Wayne Allyn Root look like a douche.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on March 05, 2012, 11:59:42 PM
This may be the most screwed up thing I've ever read.

  "  The unidentified infant died Sept. 28, 2011, at Maimonides Hospital, according to a spokeswoman for the city Medical Examiner,       who confirmed the death after a News inquiry.

    The cause of death was listed as "disseminated herpes simplex virus Type 1, complicating ritual circumcision with oral suction."

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 06, 2012, 02:20:17 AM
Quote from: Goaticus on March 05, 2012, 11:59:42 PM
This may be the most screwed up thing I've ever read.

  "  The unidentified infant died Sept. 28, 2011, at Maimonides Hospital, according to a spokeswoman for the city Medical Examiner,       who confirmed the death after a News inquiry.

    The cause of death was listed as "disseminated herpes simplex virus Type 1, complicating ritual circumcision with oral suction."

in other words, some asshole sucked a kid's genitals in fellatio after circumcising him?

EDIT: I can't believe anyone would do this!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 06, 2012, 06:25:45 AM
It's Jewish tradition, called metzitzah b'peh. The moyl sucks the blood from the baby's penis after circumcision.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 06, 2012, 08:23:34 AM
"Yes, absolutely. Physical punishment is a great way to make children understand the concept of harmful negative consequences, as well as a way to introduce the idea that other people may harm you if you act in a way that bothers them (a valuable lesson in social interaction). Is it child abuse? Yeah, in a literal sense, it is child abuse. Is it wrong? Not at all."

And I think that debate just hit rock bottom.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on March 06, 2012, 12:47:51 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on March 06, 2012, 02:20:17 AM
in other words, some asshole sucked a kid's genitals in fellatio after circumcising him?

EDIT: I can't believe anyone would do this!

And don't forget, gave him a fatal infection when he did it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 06, 2012, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 06, 2012, 06:25:45 AM
It's Jewish tradition, called metzitzah b'peh. The moyl sucks the blood from the baby's penis after circumcision.

...Oh that's just lovely...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 06, 2012, 04:34:21 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 06, 2012, 06:25:45 AM
It's Jewish tradition, called metzitzah b'peh. The moyl sucks the blood from the baby's penis after circumcision.

they actually have a tradition called "sucking with the mouth", to be done on babies? and this isn't me guessing at the meaning: all the words in that term are in Arabic too, though it sounds different.

EDIT: you know what, fuck it: say what you want about circumcision, but this? this is wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 06, 2012, 04:38:30 PM
I don't know what it means, but that's what they call it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 06, 2012, 04:42:36 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 06, 2012, 04:38:30 PM
I don't know what it means, but that's what they call it.

believe me, it's "sucking with the mouth":

metzizah is cognate to "masisah", an "exaggerated" noun referring to any suction action. the sad in Arabic became tsad in Hebrew.

b-: that identical to the Arabic instrumental "with".

peh: that is cognate to "faah" in arabic, meaning mouth. (Arabic is unusual in that the p becomes an f; otherwise, it's usually more conservative than Hebrew)

in Arabic, it would be rendered "al-masees bilfaah".

and for the record: no, this isn't done by Arabs. in fact, I doubt most Arabs know a thing about it. EDIT: the mouth sucking, not circumcision.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 07, 2012, 10:30:41 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_18571_5-reasons-its-still-not-cool-to-admit-youre-gamer.html

Especially #1 on David Wong's list.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 08, 2012, 06:41:07 AM
Wow:

QuoteThe average downloader offered to pay $9.18, giving themselves a nice 87 percent discount off the retail price.

Or maybe they've just been given a data point as to how overpriced their crap is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 09, 2012, 08:03:34 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/417017_383315958346809_100000052244321_1543805_1081575675_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 09, 2012, 08:15:27 PM
I think they've completely misconstrued the spirit of that meme. But it's as lame as anything else they've come up with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 10, 2012, 01:51:00 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 09, 2012, 08:15:27 PM
I think they've completely misconstrued the spirit of that meme. But it's as lame as anything else they've come up with.

Frankly, that is an understatement.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on March 10, 2012, 01:44:26 PM
This comes from David Cage, head of Quantic Dreams which made the PS3 game Heavy Rain and PC game Fahrenheit (Indigo Prophecy), emphasis mine

What's Quantic Dream's Relationship with Sony?
Quote"We are exclusive to Sony right now," Cage said. "We're open to all options [such as becoming a first-party studio], but again, we're not a studio driven by money. It's an important element, of course, but it's not like 'Tell me how much money you give me and I'm going to do whatever you want.' "

Do Used Games Worry Quantic Dream?
Quote"This is not something really popular to say, but I think there's something wrong with used games," Cage said. "People make money out of our work and this money doesn't go back to us creating the content or people taking risks -- financial risks -- to make this happen."

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/122/1220242p1.html?RSSwhen2012-03-08_084000&RSSid=1220242&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ignfeeds%2Fps3+%28IGN+PS3%29 (http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/122/1220242p1.html?RSSwhen2012-03-08_084000&RSSid=1220242&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ignfeeds%2Fps3+%28IGN+PS3%29)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 10, 2012, 09:18:56 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 10, 2012, 09:30:07 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on March 10, 2012, 09:18:56 PM
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even though:

a- America doesn't have any business in the Near East.
b- Israel benefits more, since his non-interventionism means their neighbors also don't get money or arms-and they at the moment get more of both than the Israelis do


some people just don't get it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 11, 2012, 09:12:11 AM
In that spanking thread over on that other forum I'm on, once again user Desty Nova shows his ignorance and downright stupidity when he gives this reply to the question, "What ever happened to not hitting anyone?"

"Because it's stupid? Sometimes people should be hit. Your moral absolutism smeeeeeeeells of the Christian memeplex."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 11, 2012, 10:17:56 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on March 10, 2012, 09:18:56 PM
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"Ron Paul is NOT a Reagan Republican." I KNEW there was a reason I liked him!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2012, 10:22:33 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 05, 2012, 01:22:58 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-rich-people-need-to-stop-saying/

[H]e just overstates the case to the point where he looks like a clueless twat.
The ironic thing?  He says that rich people saying those things makes them look like out of touch douchebags.  Yet by posting such bullshit, HE'S the one coming off as an out of touch, jealous, spiteful asshole.

Really, would it kills these people to at least TRY to differentiate between those who get their money by providing a good/service to willing others at a price they were willing to pay, versus those in bed with the state?
Hell, most of his examples are either politicians and/or politically connected people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 15, 2012, 08:20:31 AM
Everything said by James Q. Wilson in this video:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 16, 2012, 07:00:54 AM
More political dogmatism disguised as rationality:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/article.aspx?subjectid=65&articleid=20120315_65_A23_CUTLIN428086

Some highlights:

QuoteI used to be a libertarian but am no longer.

Yeah, and Kirk Cameron used to be an "evolutionist."

QuoteWe don't have time to research the best education and health insurance standards, or to stake our basic retirement or medical care in old age on our ability to beat the market.

In these complicated times, it is simply fantasy to think that individual families can take care of everything without the help of the government.

Right, because there aren't any such organizations as UL, ISO, school accreditation organizations, or other organizations that certify these things.

QuoteAnd yes, we have to pay taxes for that.

Circular reasoning.

QuoteToday's libertarians argue that we don't need the government to do this for us, but history shows otherwise. Left unregulated, companies will mislead consumers and stockholders, take undue risks, pollute the environment, build trusts and work their unskilled workers to death. We know this; it's just been so long since we didn't have regulations that we don't remember it.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

Of course, people who have ACTUALLY researched that time have found that companies did no such thing; only with government backing did they start behaving this way.

QuotePrivate companies cannot set and enforce environmental and fair financial disclosure standards, defend the country, and police our streets.

And evolution could never make an eye!

QuoteNor could we use lawsuits to effectively address corporate recklessness. The individual cost would be overwhelming, and the action will be opposed every step of the way by well-funded corporate lawyers while the individuals suffered or died in the meantime.

Never mind the fact that it never happens when it's actually tried. Fish Legal? No, don't look over there! Look over here, something shiny...

QuoteFinally, today's libertarians (like Republicans) attack government by focusing on a single instance of failed regulation, even where the regulation usually works as designed.

And what regulation would that be? How come people, when pressed, cannot even find ONE that works like it's supposed to?

QuoteBut they lose me to the extent they have become influenced by interests who think short-term or are less motivated by framing a workable society than by simply keeping all their money while enjoying the benefits of our society.

No, sorry pal, that's your precious government and their cronies.

Isn't it amazing how so many people who say "I used to be x" aren't familiar with even the basic arguments, principles, and data supporting it, and just trot out the same old strawman talking points of the other side? (If you're looking for Killian's Second Law, you may consider that to be it.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 16, 2012, 09:39:54 AM
"Finally, today's libertarians (like Republicans)"
That told me all I need to know about the cunt-whistle who wrote that article.

"I used to be a libertarian but..."
Then he took an arrow in the brain.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 16, 2012, 07:37:37 PM
Indeed, they try that "I used to be a libertarian" just to give themselves an air of authenticity.  The problem is when you say that, people expect you to actually know all the facts about what libertarianism is and when you can't produce them, you reveal yourself for the charlatan that you are.

I can start a statement with "I used to be a mormon liberal" and actually back that statement up.  Yet when I do, it's completely brushed aside.  Hey guys!  How about following your own rules for a change!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 16, 2012, 08:27:04 PM
I could do the same thing: I used to be a left-liberal, I used to be a Methodist Christian. But I don't. 'Cause first off, who cares? Second, it doesn't have anything to do with the arguments I present.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 16, 2012, 08:48:55 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 16, 2012, 08:27:04 PM
I could do the same thing: I used to be a left-liberal, I used to be a Methodist Christian. But I don't. 'Cause first off, who cares? Second, it doesn't have anything to do with the arguments I present.

I thought you said you were always a libertarian ("I guess I was born an individualist." -- You)
But yeah, that's ANOTHER former liberal turned libertarian.  Hell, the only ones I know who were former conservatives are the objectivists who went anarcho-capitalist.

And yeah, I could go on about that stuff too, but don't.  For one, it never comes up in my conservations and two, it isn't relevant.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 16, 2012, 08:54:06 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on March 16, 2012, 08:48:55 PM
I thought you said you were always a libertarian ("I guess I was born an individualist." -- You)

Fundamentally, yes, and I guess I was always destined for libertarianism. But I believed in a lot of liberal government programs to help the poor etc. The last one I had to slough off was the Americans With Disabilities Act.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 16, 2012, 09:05:50 PM
QuoteThe last one I had to slough off was the Americans With Disabilities Act.

Did Penn and Teller kill that house of cards for you?

They killed a lot of my pet beliefs and I can't love them enough for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 16, 2012, 10:38:12 PM
No, it was years before then, but it was the same kind of stuff.

They did pretty much kill recycling for me. Although I still do it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 16, 2012, 10:57:15 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 16, 2012, 09:05:50 PM
Did Penn and Teller kill that house of cards for you?

They killed a lot of my pet beliefs and I can't love them enough for it.

those two certainly killed off, or at least finished off a few of my old notions: Gun control was the most memorable. recycling I figured out independently, as I did with environmentalism.

Frankly though, my current leanings are relatively recent-since c. 2008-09. It started, humorously enough (since normally it would put my peers off politics), by watching the 2008 republican debates-Ron Paul struck me as very counter intuitive, yet making sense. but I wasn't to really change my leanings till I watched Shane's videos. afterwards the pieces fell together.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on March 17, 2012, 12:23:14 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 16, 2012, 08:27:04 PM
I could do the same thing: I used to be a left-liberal, I used to be a Methodist Christian. But I don't. 'Cause first off, who cares? Second, it doesn't have anything to do with the arguments I present.

I guess when arguing with a creationist I could argue I used to be functionally illiterate and didn't know anything about science. They don't have to know it was when I was 2 years old.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on March 17, 2012, 01:07:36 AM
Not so much a fail quote as a fail action. If I had something go viral on the internet I'd be happy, just not this happy.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/03/16/is-jason-russells-hysterical-naked-madne (http://reason.com/blog/2012/03/16/is-jason-russells-hysterical-naked-madne)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2012, 11:36:56 AM
This one's inspired by my 50 KB/s to 85 KB/s (that's not what it's rated.  It's what I've measured consistently to be) internet connection:

"When Bell Labs had a monopoly; they had tons more money to put into research!  That's how they invented the integrated circuit, among other innovations." -- My former Physics Professor at my previous college
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 17, 2012, 11:46:30 AM
Actually, TI invented the IC. Double fail!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2012, 11:57:26 AM
To be fair, I was paraphrasing; it's possible he said something else (maybe it was the transistor?).  But either way, it's still a huge fail.

While I may not know much about history, I *do* know how govco gives monopoly status:  by legally prohibiting competition.  So if they *did* make any strides in tech, it was because everyone else was legally prohibited from doing so; not because govco monopolies are exceptions to basic laws of economics.

Brought up because he would probably think internet monopolies given to local ISPs--that result in vastly slower connections, among other issues especially for those living in the damn boonies like me--are a good thing.

I've been trying to download Skyrim after legally buying it off of steam; along with a player's guide (they came as a package deal: $12 off) since last night.  It's a 5,737.4 MB (5.60 GB) file.  By the speed of my connection given above, it will take about 19-24+ hours to download.  I only have about 7 days off for Spring break.
Son of a bitch.

Never-mind that when I restarted my computer, I lost about 10% of my progress (2-3+ hours).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 17, 2012, 01:44:08 PM
"If you don't know how God works, why deny his existence?"

A friend of mine that I went to high school with....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 17, 2012, 02:34:05 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on March 17, 2012, 11:57:26 AMWhile I may not know much about history, I *do* know how govco gives monopoly status:  by legally prohibiting competition.  So if they *did* make any strides in tech, it was because everyone else was legally prohibited from doing so; not because govco monopolies are exceptions to basic laws of economics.

Yes, and with competition we might have had the (whatever he's talking about) sooner PLUS who knows how many other innovations?

Here's the analogy I use: the Smithsonian was working on an airplane at the same time as the Wright Brothers (and had spent a LOT more money on it than they did). If GovCo had given the Smithsonian a monopoly on this, they would have invented it eventually, and people would be saying, "See? We need government because we wouldn't have airplanes without it!" Since they didn't give themselves a monopoly, we know that's bogus.

QuoteNever-mind that when I restarted my computer, I lost about 10% of my progress (2-3+ hours).

Wow, not even resumable? Unacceptable in this day and age. And they wonder why people resort to torrents.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2012, 08:09:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 17, 2012, 02:34:05 PMWow, not even resumable? Unacceptable in this day and age. And they wonder why people resort to torrents.

It's supposed to be.  But it was around 51% when I closed down Steam and restarted my computer.  It went down to 41% when I resumed...wtf?

And yes, BitTorrent is the fucking bomb.  For one, it doesn't pull that loss of progress shit; and for two it's faster.  My connection speed can normally handle around 88 KB/s when nobody else is using it (like right now).  Steam?  It's around 65 KB/s.  Again, I can see why you praised that protocol so much.  Because it's fucking win; no matter the stooges at the MPAA, etc, say.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 17, 2012, 08:16:51 PM
It's great when places like LibreOffice, Linux distributions, etc. use it, 'cause the downloads are lightning fast and it saves them bandwidth to boot. It's unfair that it's become associated with piracy, because it really is so much more. There's even a streaming version of the protocol!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 17, 2012, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on March 17, 2012, 08:09:51 PM
It's supposed to be.  But it was around 51% when I closed down Steam and restarted my computer.  It went down to 41% when I resumed...wtf?

And yes, BitTorrent is the fucking bomb.  For one, it doesn't pull that loss of progress shit; and for two it's faster.  My connection speed can normally handle around 88 KB/s when nobody else is using it (like right now).  Steam?  It's around 65 KB/s.  Again, I can see why you praised that protocol so much.  Because it's fucking win; no matter the stooges at the MPAA, etc, say.

tell me about it: I use to use bit-torrent a lot. That is, until the government deemed it criminal to even download a patch of a game I already owned, and very nearly fined me a few thousand dollars for the trouble. the only reason I was acquitted was because they found the game's CD in the laptop's CD port: I had left it there by accident. even then, they so botched my computer up, that it died 3 weeks later*-4500$ worth of damages: I lost not only the laptop, but two very expensive modelling and graphics software (the license keys were in a file that got corrupted), as well as several games and other programs I cannot run on the new computers (the laptop was an XP). and unsurprisingly, I had/have no ability to sue them, or do anything else, save to get a shitty windows 7 computer.

in case you were wondering how they even knew I was using bit-torrent: The university--being the cunts that they are--force us to install "safeconnect" on our PC's.


*they not only knocked out my ability to access the internet, but also my antivirus security: by the time I was able to get my hands back on the computer, a replicating virus had created 2-300 copies of itself all over my hardrive: did I mention that, suspiciously, the virus somehow originated from where the folder the game they tried to fine me for was?

PS: and in an ironic postscript, I ended up pirating the above programs: without a license key, or the ability to retrieve it (new computer=less money), I had no other choice but to attempt to get the two programs back-whatever the means. got the modelling one back, but not the graphics one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 23, 2012, 08:01:17 PM
apparently, I have to question whether some people can tie their shoes in the morning:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 23, 2012, 10:22:45 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on March 17, 2012, 11:57:26 AM
To be fair, I was paraphrasing; it's possible he said something else (maybe it was the transistor?).  But either way, it's still a huge fail.


Bell Labs did invent (one form of) the transistor, IIRC.  They then proceeded to do absolutely nothing with it.  They knew that it would allow them to build their telephone switching equipment to be smaller, cheaper, and more efficient.  They just didn't care, since as a government-imposed monopoly the size, cost, and efficiency of their equipment didn't matter to them.  (Interestingly, the first generation of transistors wasn't more reliable than tubes, and might have been less than the electromechanical Strowger switches the phone companies were using at the time.  It took private industry, in the form of Fairchild Semiconductor, to make reliable transistors.  Fairchild was notable for, among other things, refusing to take the easy money of government contracts that would have meant the loss of control of its' technology and research direction, something many other technology companies of the time were very happy to do.  They also made a number of key innovations that helped lead to the development of integrated circuits.  Who you'd actually say built the first one is an interesting and complex topic.  There's a panel discussion involving many people involved on the ComputerHistory channel on YouTube.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 26, 2012, 11:06:56 PM
https://blip.tv/nogreaterjoyministries/how-to-put-johnny-down-to-sleep-5898185

Two samples from the same person:

"Select your instrument according to the child's size. For the under 1 year old, a little, 10- to 12-inch-long willowy branch (striped [sic] of any knots that might break the skin) about one-eighth inch in diameter is sufficient."
Yes.  He's referring to selecting something to beat an infant with.

"I am sorry the psychologists and secular child advocates don't get it, but then if all parents practiced child training as I have suggested, there wouldn't be any need for abnormal psychologists or child protection agencies. A lot of people would move on to more practical kinds of work, and there wouldn't be any more crime or war."
Which must be why there were no wars or crime in the days before people have lessened up on beating their children.  Oh wait...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 01, 2012, 09:08:24 AM
"Evolution is not a theory. It is an ideology. A true scientific theory requires the statement of what you would require to falsify your theory. Evolution presents enough evidence that I believe it occurs but yeah the science is lacking on the theory end." - A jackass on the other forum I go to.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 01, 2012, 10:20:20 AM
Remember: fossil bunnies in the Cambrian. Shuts 'em up every time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 01, 2012, 11:04:36 AM
Sounds like the title of a horror movie flick from the 50s.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 01, 2012, 03:16:26 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on April 01, 2012, 11:04:36 AM
Sounds like the title of a horror movie flick from the 50s.

actually, they did make a movie about that...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 01, 2012, 06:47:06 PM
Ah, Night of the Lepus. Wonderful classic.
Never saw it myself, but I^m sure it's wonderfull.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 04, 2012, 10:25:54 PM
the frothy mix has struck again!

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now I'm no fan of Obama, but this is just messed up.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 05, 2012, 09:46:59 PM
everything Dudeamis said on this video:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 06, 2012, 06:42:04 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on April 05, 2012, 09:46:59 PM
everything Dudeamis said on this video:

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And the failest of the fail: "People are huddled in dilapidated houses because they're poor, not because of the war on drugs."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 06, 2012, 06:23:05 PM
Warning: Heavy amounts of bullshit ahead. Safety goggles may or may not be required.

QuoteLibertarians talk about self ownership, however living in a free society is not actually free, it comes with obligations, moral and necessary obligations. To maintain our free society we expect to be secure. We expect to have access to roads, education, water and other services that can only be supported and distributed on a communal basis.

Bill Gates (or anyone else) did not shit out his wealth, he accumulated his enormous wealth by having access to the "market" and it is the society that constitutes this "market". Thus are these billions of dollars earned by Gates the direct result of being a member of our society and as such there is an obligation for anyone benefiting from these gains to proportionally support the services that help make them possible. In other words: The money Bill Gates owns is not the result of his work just like the pyramid was not the work of the Pharaoh therefore taxing Gates can not be considered as theft.

In a capitalistic society, who benefits more from the free society with an educated and healthy population? Everyone, the wealthy by having access to a skilled workforce and of course so do those who work for the entrepreneur. Both benefit each other, so why wouldn't the wealthy want to pay their share of taxes? This limitation (tax laws) is of course something which society is free to decide upon since they own the market.

Another crucial notation is that most democratic constitutions agree that all power should emanate from the people.
In our capitalist societies money equals power. Allowing money to be accumulated in private (corporate) hands on a big scale means to hand over power to a private person. Therefore it should be the duty of any democratic society to introduce rules limiting the amount of money (power) a private person (corporation) may command. Too much power (money) in the hands of private people destroys democracy. That is also why we don't have monopolies.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on April 06, 2012, 06:42:30 PM
I love stupid people.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 06, 2012, 10:19:18 PM
Oh, this one is good. And by good, I mean absolutely horrible.

"A right in a democratic society is a common agreement among the people." - The same guy who posted that wall of fail I posted previously

So apparently if 5 guys and a woman are stranded on an island and the five men vote to gang rape the woman, then that is their right.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 06, 2012, 11:06:47 PM
Quote from: D on April 06, 2012, 06:23:05 PM
Warning: Heavy amounts of bullshit ahead. Safety goggles may or may not be required.

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srsly, it is like a lovechild of Obama and Santorum saying this..

Quote from: that jackassPeople are huddled in dilapidated houses because they're poor, not because of the war on drugs.

of course, why are they poor? could it be because having all sorts of shit being "regulated", to the benefit of the big businesses (especially drugs), they cannot get out of the spiral of poverty?

it's like this guy can't put 2 and  2 together: I'm shocked he know how to wake up or maneuver his fingers to type!

srsly Shane, I feel sorry that you ever have to sit through even a single one of these people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 09, 2012, 03:59:30 PM
[yt]ramBFRt1Uzk[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 09, 2012, 05:13:16 PM
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/09/11102214-racial-slur-on-mich-road-sign-targets-trayvon-martin?lite

some people are just sick.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 10, 2012, 12:43:59 PM
Atop the 4th Wall - Captain Tax Time (http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2012/04/captain-tax-time-1.html)

Both the comic and Linkara's comments about taxation are full of fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 10, 2012, 07:10:09 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/559500_421840044497729_100000152124538_1915115_2126542613_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on April 10, 2012, 07:43:37 PM
Hilarious, since the $.30 drop was shown to be a myth when this same e-mail circulated in 2007. In April of 1997 they would have been protesting gas that was on average $1.24 a gallon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 10, 2012, 09:16:00 PM
Quote from: D on April 10, 2012, 12:43:59 PM
Atop the 4th Wall - Captain Tax Time (http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2012/04/captain-tax-time-1.html)

Both the comic and Linkara's comments about taxation are full of fail.


that I have to agree with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 11, 2012, 01:02:10 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/524490_10150926360373294_82676373293_12741330_879830069_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 11, 2012, 01:16:19 PM
Hey that actually looks real nice. Is that a screenshot taken from the game?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 11, 2012, 01:35:44 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on April 11, 2012, 01:16:19 PM
Hey that actually looks real nice. Is that a screenshot taken from the game?

Yep.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 11, 2012, 02:03:11 PM
Quote from: D on April 11, 2012, 01:02:10 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/524490_10150926360373294_82676373293_12741330_879830069_n.jpg)

Well now you've gone and inspired me:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7253/6922248032_a300ff6f61.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/6922248032/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 11, 2012, 02:07:33 PM
Quote from: D on April 11, 2012, 01:35:44 PM
Yep.

I like it very much.
But I don't get the caption. Is it fail because Phantom Hourglass did have a big budget?


Also "Wrath of Kahn" is the best Star Trek movie, no doubts about that. Ricardo Montalban deserved an Academy Award for his performance.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 11, 2012, 02:14:10 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on April 11, 2012, 02:07:33 PM
I like it very much.
But I don't get the caption. Is it fail because Phantom Hourglass did have a big budget?

The idea is the game had a considerably lower budget and it was terrible.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 11, 2012, 02:26:14 PM
Quote from: D on April 11, 2012, 02:14:10 PM
The idea is the game had a considerably lower budget and it was terrible.
Something tells me the guy who made that macro is one of those people who looks down on fans of BeJeweled, and pronounces "Casual Gamer" with the same tone as others pronounce "terminal cancer".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 11, 2012, 02:35:29 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 11, 2012, 02:26:14 PM
Something tells me the guy who made that macro is one of those people who looks down on fans of BeJeweled, and pronounces "Casual Gamer" with the same tone as others pronounce "terminal cancer".

Well, I found it on a Nintendo based page on Facebook. I know a lot of Zelda fans actually look down on the DS Zelda games (Phantom Hourglass/Spirit Tracks) because of the touch screen based controls. I've never played the games, so I can't say if they're actually good or not.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 12, 2012, 03:51:54 PM


this guy, who I suspect never read my replies to another user:

Quote from: some random dudeYes they would as long as there is no alternative, if the only alternative is to die, you take what you get. No matter how rotten the deal is.
See Scandinavia, they cover every single citizen, exactly the same care, and yet the cost per person for that healthcare is less than half of that of a US citizen.
Wanna know why? Look at the health insurance companies and doctors in the US's, bank accounts. Thats what you are really paying for in the US

my reply: to that:

Quote"Yes they would as long as there is no alternative,"
and I made it clear that what I propose would involve MANY alternatives for much lower prices, so no, it's not going to happen like you say it does.
"See, Scandinavia..."
which are small countries, with even smaller populations, where such a thing MIGHT be more reasonable. even then, what I have in mind will cost even LESS than your NHS.

cont:
I say it will cost less, since there wouldn't be any government beaurocracy adding on to the cost (and of course, I explained why it would remain cheap). so yeah: better costs, better treatments even for the poorest, just as much oversight, all without government? why not give it a try?
finally, I did make it clear in one comment that I do NOT support the US system, which is basically a hybrid between government provided medicine and corporations backed by Government money.

you would have to see the other comments I left for context. it's very funny that while I'm calmly explaining the logic of what I say to them, they're using all manner of emotional appeals ans useless platitudes. judjing from the above reply, I'm starting to question if they ever read what I said.

the video it was under:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 17, 2012, 02:37:36 PM
http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/#/d4v21w8  =dmgirl3000 in the comments.

What does it say about someone who accuses me of ignoring their points when they then proceed to block me from replying to them?  I'd call that cowardice but at this point, it's par for the course for abysmally low standards I've come to expect from window breakers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 18, 2012, 12:58:45 PM
Most of the comments on Judge Napalitano's facebook status (http://www.facebook.com/#!/JudgeNapolitano/posts/256897751072842) on this report (http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/04/18/judge-andrew-napolitano-discusses-the-appeals-courts-upholding-of-arizona-law-requiring-voters-to-show-i-d-at-polls/).

Here are some in particular that are straight up vile:

"All of the States should require voter ID....most minorities are illegals so their votes don't count....what is Washington afraid of." - Maria A. Zielinski

"You need ID to get a job, cash a check, buy a drink, and buy COUGH SYRUP! Why not to vote?" - Cyndi Rosenthal

"Really? Legal residence don't have an ID? I am sure an ID has to be shown somewhere. If they don't have an ID it's because they can't get one because they are not 'LEGAL.'"- Judy Wright Livingston

"Arazonas voter ID laws only discriminate against illegals and the politicians who want their vote." - Stephen LoneWolf Cline

"If someone cannot afford a photo ID, they can petition the State to issue a non-driver photo ID at no cost to the individual ... anybody who legally operates a motor vehicle anywhere in the US has a legal photo ID ...
there is no discrimination here." - William Atkeison

"ALL STATES should have voter ID laws. FL does and we do it. Why not all???" - Barbara Pernaris

"cause without the illeagle votes Obama cant win" - Frederick Herzman

"So how are these minorities cashing their welfare checks w/o an id???" - Kurt Pechinsky

"If I have to show my ID to buy cigarettes & alcohol, then I should have to show it to vote. You can't even get federal or state assistance without a valid ID, and, in most states (if not all), if you.are dirt floor poor and cannot.afford one, they'll GIVE you one for FREE! I'm glad I live in a state.with voter ID laws. No ID? No vote! Simple as that!" - Wanita Stewart-Sawicki

"I have to show an ID to be able to drive a car (drivers license), an ID to pick up my kids from school, an ID to write a check, an ID to even have an account, an ID to cash a paycheck, an ID to have a job, Really? You can bet they all drive, if they don't have IDs then that is just ONE MORE THING THEY ARE DOING ILLEGALLY!!!!!!" - Judy Wright Livingston

"Illegals are criminals...Our Criminals loose their right to vote ! Why the double standard ? Deport these Illegals and their anchor babies . No rights of any kind for them in this Free Republic We Call Home!" - Ray C DeMeo

"There is nothing wrong with having to show ID. If you are a legal citizen of this country, an you don't have a government ID, there is no problem getting one. Any antagonistic views indicate, to me, a hidden reason not to get the ID. I agree with the ruling 100% judge." - Jerry Fischer

"If someone can't be bothered to actually obtain an id, how could they possibly be capable of assessing the issues in an election? The answer is they can't, so decrying this as some sort of modern day poll tax or literacy test is really nothing more than a craven attempt to cultivate votes through demagoguery or class conflict. This is simple and obvious, especially in a state like Arizona that is clearly flooded with illegal aliens. One approach to mollify those who are trying to harvest the ignorant/illegal vote would be to accept a one-time pass, if one came to vote and had no ID, they could vote that first time, and at the polling station they would fill out the information for the ID which would then be required to vote next time.This isn't that hard, and we are all being played by those who are only interested in the power they can obtain by using minorities to achieve their ends." - Greg Milliken

"there's no sensible reasoning in trying to argue against this" - Michael Woodford Jr
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 19, 2012, 09:38:26 AM
(http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2qaftKEDO1qax9wso1_500.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 19, 2012, 10:06:18 AM
I know I just posted a fail quote, but this also HAD to be posted.

Quote from: PMEWhiteWell, I'm still Ron Paul 2012 !! My thoughts are, Libertarians need to work on "Objective Morals and Duties". Distance itself from atheist influence. I.E.: An atheist Libertarian cannot explain why he/she deserves 'Liberty'. Facts are, under atheism the opposite is True.

The comment was on this video:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 19, 2012, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: D on April 19, 2012, 10:06:18 AM
I know I just posted a fail quote, but this also HAD to be posted.
QuoteWell, I'm still Ron Paul 2012 !! My thoughts are, Libertarians need to work on "Objective Morals and Duties". Distance itself from atheist influence. I.E.: An atheist Libertarian cannot explain why he/she deserves 'Liberty'. Facts are, under atheism the opposite is True.

My response:

Really? So Murray Rothbard couldn't have written The Ethics of Liberty because he didn't believe in God? Harry Browne couldn't have written The Great Libertarian Offer and How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World because he didn't believe in God?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2012, 12:01:41 PM
"HMOs are for profit! not for the people!" -- A woo I used to know, in response to HMOs

I wonder if he knows of the HMO Act of 1973?  Probably not.  He'd probably say that because they are for profit the law is still capitalism.



As for the atheist bashers, I believe Jacob Spinney put it best:  Atheism is a lack of a belief in a central planner of the universe, while anarchism (or at least libertarianism) is a lack of belief of a central planner of the economy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 19, 2012, 03:47:05 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 19, 2012, 10:55:08 AMMy response:

Really? So Murray Rothbard couldn't have written The Ethics of Liberty because he didn't believe in God? Harry Browne couldn't have written The Great Libertarian Offer and How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World because he didn't believe in God?

Wow, the discussion that followed was just full of fail. Apologists are ze craziest creatures!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 19, 2012, 05:01:40 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 19, 2012, 03:47:05 PM
Wow, the discussion that followed was just full of fail. Apologists are ze craziest creatures!

I'd say he's borderline troll at this point.

On a completely unrelated note....this can't be real:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 19, 2012, 06:31:51 PM
What was with all the pauses?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 19, 2012, 06:33:24 PM
Quote from: D on April 19, 2012, 05:01:40 PM
On a completely unrelated note....this can't be real:
[yt]Ru_SPEvdQ3A[/yt]

From the video info box:

Quote***** UPDATE E-MAIL FROM MICHAEL (Contestant on the show): Awesome man. This is so random but i am so glad you put this up. Folks are talking. The show won awards in the UK and so they made a US version. This was the pilot episode and the most popular. it was such a success that they got a full season from it. it is an hour long show and we were all randomly chosen. The judges and the contestants. So they wanted to see if the judges could "judge" without prejudice. They would go on to award the winner 25K. I was the winner. Myself and the other finalist were the only 2 contestants that got to actually meet the judges and when i met them, the polynesian guy had a change of heart and actually voted FOR me. The edits don't show that he came from his seat and hugged me. It was a very interesting experience. We had no idea what the judges were saying or doing or who they even were, for that matter. so i had no idea that he was racist when i went out and met the judges. It ended well though. I talked to that guy over a meal and he said that he had a change of heart.

So put this one in the WIN column!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 19, 2012, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: D on April 19, 2012, 05:01:40 PM
I'd say he's borderline troll at this point.

On a completely unrelated note....this can't be real:
[yt]Ru_SPEvdQ3A[/yt]

wow...just...wow.


EDIT: oh, and here's some fail:

http://www.philadelphia-reflections.com/blog/853.htm

it's not as total fail as the above, but there are some..irksome things in it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 20, 2012, 01:15:43 PM
Support the Student Forgiveness Act of 2012 (http://signon.org/sign/support-the-student-loan.fb6?source=s.fb.in&r_by=3197240)

Seriously, they want free college.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 20, 2012, 06:24:26 PM
Quote from: D on April 20, 2012, 01:15:43 PM
Support the Student Forgiveness Act of 2012 (http://signon.org/sign/support-the-student-loan.fb6?source=s.fb.in&r_by=3197240)

Seriously, they want free college.

frankly though, 22,800 parts of me want me to sing this  :P

OK, jokes aside: this bill isn't going to solve shit in this country. it'll just give people more excuses to borrow....often wastefully, since c. 3/5 do not complete their bachelors (by my reckoning anyhow, so don't take my word at it). I'm one of the c. 1/5 who do, and on schedule.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 21, 2012, 05:57:15 AM
Quote from: D on April 20, 2012, 01:15:43 PM
Support the Student Forgiveness Act of 2012 (http://signon.org/sign/support-the-student-loan.fb6?source=s.fb.in&r_by=3197240)

Seriously, they want free college.

No need for that, just remove the special classification of student loans, so that they get treated like any OTHER unsecured debt in, oh, say, bankruptcy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 21, 2012, 02:56:41 PM
This next quote reeks of stupid and was part of a debate I am in on that other forum.

"What you fail to realize that in fact a majority supports Patriot Act and those other human-rights violating laws. I personally do not agree with their motives behind their judgments but the people's will is the law. If you do not like, then emigrate or run for congress. "
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 21, 2012, 03:08:15 PM
That poster in the 1850s:

Quote from: an idiotWhat you fail to realize that in fact a majority supports the Fugitive Slave Act and those other human-rights violating laws. I personally do not agree with their motives behind their judgments but the people's will is the law. If you do not like, then emigrate or run for congress.

Which forum is this, BTW?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 21, 2012, 03:13:03 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 21, 2012, 03:08:15 PM
That poster in the 1850s:

Which forum is this, BTW?

It's a god damned anime forum  (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1133502&postcount=28)of all places. They have a philosophy section there. All the freaks and weirdos of the internet love to show up there and I'm basically the only libertarian/anarchist there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 21, 2012, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: D on April 21, 2012, 03:13:03 PM
It's a god damned anime forum  (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1133502&postcount=28)of all places. They have a philosophy section there. All the freaks and weirdos of the internet love to show up there and I'm basically the only libertarian/anarchist there.

so you are saying you are the only sane person there?

EDIT: in the philosophy section. having read it, I despair.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 25, 2012, 05:00:12 PM
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Paul Chabot not only tries to discredit LEAP, but even goes as far as to claim that alcohol prohibition actually worked!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 25, 2012, 06:41:09 PM
Quote from: D on April 25, 2012, 05:00:12 PMPaul Chabot not only tries to discredit LEAP, but even goes as far as to claim that alcohol prohibition actually worked!
In Bizarro World!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on April 25, 2012, 09:19:06 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 25, 2012, 06:41:09 PM
In Bizarro World!

Me am Bizarro! You am friend. Me am hero! Me be friendly to good friend!

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 26, 2012, 07:06:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/psVBH.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 26, 2012, 07:11:34 PM
As I replied to that.

    "Thinks handouts make you weak"
    No, he thinks stealing from people and giving some to others and playing it off as generosity makes you an asshole
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 26, 2012, 09:56:40 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 26, 2012, 07:11:34 PM
As I replied to that.

    "Thinks handouts make you weak"
    No, he thinks stealing from people and giving some to others and playing it off as generosity makes you an asshole

largely because it does...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 27, 2012, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 26, 2012, 07:11:34 PM
As I replied to that.

    "Thinks handouts make you weak"
    No, he thinks stealing from people and giving some to others and playing it off as generosity makes you an asshole

I've actually seen people compare themselves, as Socialists, to Robin Hood (even a recent, in historical terms, Sheriff of Nottingham), blithely unaware that the stories are actually about the evils of government taking excessive taxes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on April 30, 2012, 12:04:32 PM
Quote from: Ridley ScottNASA and the Vatican agree that [it is] almost mathematically impossible that we can be where we are today without there being a little help along the way... That's what we're looking at [in the film], at some of Erich von Däniken's ideas of how did we humans come about.


From here. (http://www.openminds.tv/ridley-scotts-alien-movie-prometheus-inspired-by-erich-von-daniken-835/)

Honestly, I don't know where to start with this one. First off, where the hell does he get the first part, and who in their right mind would conflate the two? Secondly, Erich von Däniken? Pathological liar, criminal psychopath, and known fraudster Erich von Däniken? Thirdly, why in the hell is this necessary for the narrative? I mean, at best, it's a background story for the plot's Macguffin. You need something to get them from the starting point to the setting of the main story where hijinks can ensue. Why do you need to tie it in to a known archaeological fraudster? Finally, just why? I mean, I was looking forward to this movie. The trailers looked cool, and really reminded me of the old trailers for the Alien movie. Now I can't go see it without getting the feeling that I'm patronizing that moron. Worse yet, what if the whole first half of the movie is full of that 'ancient astronaut pervert human-fucker' bullshit? AAARRRGGHH!!!!

Sorry, I just hate it when pseudoscience and other BS ruins shit for the rest of us.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 30, 2012, 02:04:30 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on April 30, 2012, 12:04:32 PM

From here. (http://www.openminds.tv/ridley-scotts-alien-movie-prometheus-inspired-by-erich-von-daniken-835/)

Honestly, I don't know where to start with this one. First off, where the hell does he get the first part, and who in their right mind would conflate the two? Secondly, Erich von Däniken? Pathological liar, criminal psychopath, and known fraudster Erich von Däniken? Thirdly, why in the hell is this necessary for the narrative? I mean, at best, it's a background story for the plot's Macguffin. You need something to get them from the starting point to the setting of the main story where hijinks can ensue. Why do you need to tie it in to a known archaeological fraudster? Finally, just why? I mean, I was looking forward to this movie. The trailers looked cool, and really reminded me of the old trailers for the Alien movie. Now I can't go see it without getting the feeling that I'm patronizing that moron. Worse yet, what if the whole first half of the movie is full of that 'ancient astronaut pervert human-fucker' bullshit? AAARRRGGHH!!!!

Sorry, I just hate it when pseudoscience and other BS ruins shit for the rest of us.

I know, I know.....

look on the bright side (sorta): at least Graham Hancock and Richard Hoaglan aren't involved....I hope.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on April 30, 2012, 10:15:17 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on April 30, 2012, 02:04:30 PM
I know, I know.....

look on the bright side (sorta): at least Graham Hancock and Richard Hoaglan aren't involved....I hope.

Or worse...

This guy...

(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpq95vF2eU1qcrnpto6_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 01, 2012, 01:15:44 AM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on April 30, 2012, 10:15:17 PM
Or worse...

This guy...

(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpq95vF2eU1qcrnpto6_500.jpg)


:'(

this...this is evil. pure evil. just the image of this man alone is said to make baby Penn cry.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 02, 2012, 08:44:36 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 01, 2012, 01:15:44 AM

:'(

this...this is evil. pure evil. just the image of this man alone is said to make baby Penn cry.

You think that's bad? I'm about to blow your mind.

His hair? It's intentional. He does that to himself on purpose. Apparently spends an hour (and lots of gel) to get it that way. I wonder if the people he fools know how much of the money they give him is spent on hair product?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 02, 2012, 09:24:50 AM
This guy (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1147922&postcount=51)

QuoteWe're animals. Training a child is a lot like training a dog. As the child grows older & gets more intelligent, the need for physical reinforcement lessens as the child becomes capable of reasonable discussion. But until that point, I'll spank my kid's behind for causing a scene in a grocery store (not in the store, mind you) just the same as I'd swat a dog with a newspaper roll for pooping on the carpet.

If you think you can reason with a screaming child, you've got no idea how a child's brain works. Pull your head out of your ass.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 02, 2012, 07:06:49 PM
Ironically, swatting your dog is a poor way to train it too so he fails on all levels.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on May 02, 2012, 07:26:34 PM
If you really want to train a human like an animal it has to be immediate. I don't agree with this idiot on beating kids, but even if I did you have to do it right then or not at all.

While you can't reason with a screaming child it is really easy to distract one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 03, 2012, 10:44:01 PM
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Isn't he just the cutest thing ever?  He honestly believes he can think.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 04, 2012, 12:50:54 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 03, 2012, 10:44:01 PM
Isn't he just the cutest thing ever?  He honestly believes he can think.

I know, it thinks it's people....

frankly, such make great pets...

(yes, I know, it's dehumanizing. but hey, these hardcore liberals don't seem to do what humans normally do (learn from past attempts), so fuck it).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 04, 2012, 02:41:50 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 03, 2012, 10:44:01 PM
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Isn't he just the cutest thing ever?  He honestly believes he can think.

"Liberals look towards results"

You have got to be kidding me. You simply CAN''T be THAT ignorant. I seriously think you need to have some sort of mental illness to be that delusional.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 04, 2012, 05:14:51 PM
Quote from: VectorM on May 04, 2012, 02:41:50 PM
"Liberal look towards results"

You have got to be kidding me. You simply CAN''T be THAT ignorant. I seriously think you need to have some sort of mental illness to be that delusional.

I'm reminded of a quote I heard from somewhere, but I can't remember where.

"You just CANNOT be THAT brainless."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 04, 2012, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on May 04, 2012, 05:14:51 PM
I'm reminded of a quote I heard from somewhere, but I can't remember where.

"You just CANNOT be THAT brainless."

I'm increasingly convinced that that statement is just impossible. there is simply put, no limit on brainlessness.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 06, 2012, 11:43:03 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/578026_3844224104829_1254904531_3663142_847337941_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on May 04, 2012, 05:14:51 PM
I'm reminded of a quote I heard from somewhere, but I can't remember where.

"You just CANNOT be THAT brainless."

The one I like is "Either you're playing dumb or it's not an act"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on May 12, 2012, 06:35:53 PM
Much as it pains me to say this after watching a UFC with him.

"In case you didn't hear, JP Morgan just lost 2 billion dollars in investments in the last 6 weeks. Libertarians, this is why people laugh at you. Self regulation does not work. Period. It's like asking OJ to be the judge at his own trail. The entire concept is absurd."

Dusty Smith
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on May 12, 2012, 09:02:09 PM
Rand Paul on Barack Obama's views on gay marriage" "didn't think his views on marriage could get any gayer."

The sad thing is if I had been living in Kentucky I might have been tempted to vote for him in 2010. Kind of glad I dodged that bullet.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 12, 2012, 09:12:42 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on May 12, 2012, 06:35:53 PM
Much as it pains me to say this after watching a UFC with him.

"In case you didn't hear, JP Morgan just lost 2 billion dollars in investments in the last 6 weeks. Libertarians, this is why people laugh at you. Self regulation does not work. Period. It's like asking OJ to be the judge at his own trail. The entire concept is absurd."

Dusty Smith
Christ, I wouldn't even know where to begin.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 12, 2012, 09:30:38 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on May 12, 2012, 09:02:09 PM
Rand Paul on Barack Obama's views on gay marriage" "didn't think his views on marriage could get any gayer."

The sad thing is if I had been living in Kentucky I might have been tempted to vote for him in 2010. Kind of glad I dodged that bullet.

Is he being serious here? I already thought he was an idiot after Shane talked about that podcast interview he did on an episode of his podcast, but holy shit that is just straight up douchebaggery.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on May 12, 2012, 09:57:24 PM
Quote from: D on May 12, 2012, 09:30:38 PM
Is he being serious here? I already thought he was an idiot after Shane talked about that podcast interview he did on an episode of his podcast, but holy shit that is just straight up douchebaggery.

He could have meant it as a joke, but that is still pretty douchey. I'm guessing he wants to put some distance between himself, his father and Gary Johnson for when Ron doesn't endorse Mitt. I'm sure more context is coming and it's getting reported as an attention grabber, but that is still pretty weak.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 12, 2012, 10:24:56 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on May 12, 2012, 09:57:24 PM
He could have meant it as a joke, but that is still pretty douchey. I'm guessing he wants to put some distance between himself, his father and Gary Johnson for when Ron doesn't endorse Mitt. I'm sure more context is coming and it's getting reported as an attention grabber, but that is still pretty weak.

And this is why I hate the party system. It brings people who generally should know better down to a level they normally wouldn't be caught in just to make nice with their party. Fuck party politics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on May 12, 2012, 11:15:00 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-says-didnt-think-obamas-views-could-235037656--abc-news-politics.html?fb_action_ids=3309195328427&fb_action_types=news.reads&fb_ref=type%3Aread%2Cuser%3AGSXOnlXDkeP_K43kTKiyudU5zL0&fb_source=other_multiline&code=AQC5FgfbwaQE7IqEAgdg_a1-VsS020ja-rk2o47XkKuNUE-a9KIDqxvO-KzHOmnOMoElw2CXXxceUp-le27bO3tsVqhIUE5EzxBilQXN6cMDDlDfMRhlD68_pjuVHdc3njWN3AkrsVwtdui0RxODjeIXR3Cr0IwLhzxeDg4zx7DJz_VaHqqQZ5yxoBTtdIudLygMgrlvCWH-44kDIDpKAEH1#_=_ (http://news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-says-didnt-think-obamas-views-could-235037656--abc-news-politics.html?fb_action_ids=3309195328427&fb_action_types=news.reads&fb_ref=type%3Aread%2Cuser%3AGSXOnlXDkeP_K43kTKiyudU5zL0&fb_source=other_multiline&code=AQC5FgfbwaQE7IqEAgdg_a1-VsS020ja-rk2o47XkKuNUE-a9KIDqxvO-KzHOmnOMoElw2CXXxceUp-le27bO3tsVqhIUE5EzxBilQXN6cMDDlDfMRhlD68_pjuVHdc3njWN3AkrsVwtdui0RxODjeIXR3Cr0IwLhzxeDg4zx7DJz_VaHqqQZ5yxoBTtdIudLygMgrlvCWH-44kDIDpKAEH1#_=_)

More fail from Rand. In reaction to what Obama said,  ""He said the biblical golden rule caused him to be for gay marriage," Paul said. "I'm like what version of the Bible is he reading?""

Besides being stupid a principal from a book can be adhered to without adhering to all of it. I like some Nietszche quotes without trying to adhere to thus spoke Zarathustra every second of my waking life.

"Six thousand years of tradition" combined with "anthropological" evidence shows "there's stability in the family unit," 

That would be relevant if they were talking about ending marriage. Also it is not true. The American Nuclear Family is a pretty recent invention. I'm sure he wouldn't be thrilled if Ron was his Paterfamilias who could sell him into slavery or put him to death until one of his older brothers took over.

"The family is really important and we shouldn't just give up on it,"

Same response. Do as Harry Browne suggested, if you want to protect your family be kind to your spouse.

"I think we're in a spiritual crisis as a country,"

How about solve the fiscal crisis.

"nd I think you're going to need leaders beyond your political leaders."

I don't have political leaders, elected politicians are glorified mail men to me. Actually my mail man has never accidentally delivered my childrens future to a favored industry.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 13, 2012, 06:13:56 PM
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I think it's high time I made a video addressing this whole Somalia nonsense.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 13, 2012, 08:15:41 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on May 13, 2012, 06:13:56 PM
[yt]dLA3_xch478[/yt]

I think it's high time I made a video addressing this whole Somalia nonsense.

And, oh look, he disabled ratings. What a surprise.

Looking forward to that video, Hawk.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 13, 2012, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 13, 2012, 08:15:41 PM
And, oh look, he disabled ratings. What a surprise.

Looking forward to that video, Hawk.
Seconded.  On both counts.

Also, the comments aren't much better.
One really despicable one:
"Hilarious! My ultimatum to libertarians still stands: Put your money where your mouth is and move to a country lacking a historically strong central government, try to lay down your roots there, and put your libertarianism into practice in a way that won't reduce the rest of us to collateral damage/lab rat status. That way, once their ideas have failed the rest of us can sit by and laugh. I know I will." --Activeassholeonpills

Where do I even begin?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 13, 2012, 11:39:45 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 13, 2012, 08:21:17 PM
Seconded.  On both counts.

Also, the comments aren't much better.
One really despicable one:
"Hilarious! My ultimatum to libertarians still stands: Put your money where your mouth is and move to a country lacking a historically strong central government, try to lay down your roots there, and put your libertarianism into practice in a way that won't reduce the rest of us to collateral damage/lab rat status. That way, once their ideas have failed the rest of us can sit by and laugh. I know I will." --Activeassholeonpills

Where do I even begin?

I like how he isn't actually addressing a thing we say....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 14, 2012, 10:22:37 AM
And now he's blocked me from responding, the coward.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 14, 2012, 10:28:29 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 14, 2012, 10:22:37 AM
And now he's blocked me from responding, the coward.

He put this in the comments of his video:

Quote from: Jackass McMustacheshanedk has been put into time out/nap time like the petulent child he is so he won't be getting back to you on this for some time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 14, 2012, 10:47:36 AM
Gotta love the Failz, though:

Quote from: njanovic1980Dishonest? Yeah you moron you need towers but putting up a tower is easer than stringing thousands of miles of physical phone lines, go try it if you don't think so.

Yeah, because an individual cell phone tower can cover thousands of miles...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 14, 2012, 11:36:54 AM
And then there's our old friend billburns2:

Quote from: billburns2How is Sharia Law any different from the DROs that AnCaps are so fond of?

I responded: "Without being an AnCap, and therefore not feeling I am in any proper position to defend them, I think there's one difference that should be obvious even to a moronic cultlist like you have repeatedly proven yourself to be:

"DROs are voluntary; Shariah Law isn't."

Then he responded (emphasis mine):

Quote from: billburns2If you are a non muslim Sharia Law is entirely voluntary, just as a DRO is voluntary if you don't live in the areas covered by it

You really should look this stuff up before demonstrating your ignorance.

(Remember that: Shariah Law is voluntary for NON-Muslims.)

Quick summary of the next few exchanges: I pointed out how a) this still sucks for Muslim women who get stoned, and b) it means it's actually not voluntary; it has to be voluntary for EVERYBODY, otherwise you've just created a privileged class to whom the law doesn't apply.

njanovic1980 then brought up the same point, and I said: "I've already responded to this: this makes non-Muslims a privileged class. It's WRONG. I don't know why you keep bringing it up as if it refutes something."

And here comes billburns2 again:

Quote from: billburns2"I've already responded to this"

LIAR. So now you despise Sharia because non muslims have the freedom not to subscribe to it- but you like DROs because you have the freedom not to subscribe to them.

More double standards, more of your pathetic evasions

No, I made it clear I despise Shariah law because of the people--Muslims or otherwise--who DIDN'T have the freedom to opt out. How is this possibly a double-standard? Of course, he didn't post this until I had already been blocked...

Of course, he already had all sorts of fail, like:

Quote from: billburns2Sharia Law is the closest thing in existence to a DRO. You can't condemn one and praise the other

Really? Closest thing in existence? What's www.judge.me then?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 14, 2012, 11:42:48 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 14, 2012, 11:36:54 AM
And then there's our old friend billburns2:

I responded: "Without being an AnCap, and therefore not feeling I am in any proper position to defend them, I think there's one difference that should be obvious even to a moronic cultlist like you have repeatedly proven yourself to be:

"DROs are voluntary; Shariah Law isn't."

Then he responded (emphasis mine):

(Remember that: Shariah Law is voluntary for NON-Muslims.)

Quick summary of the next few exchanges: I pointed out how a) this still sucks for Muslim women who get stoned, and b) it means it's actually not voluntary; it has to be voluntary for EVERYBODY, otherwise you've just created a privileged class to whom the law doesn't apply.

njanovic1980 then brought up the same point, and I said: "I've already responded to this: this makes non-Muslims a privileged class. It's WRONG. I don't know why you keep bringing it up as if it refutes something."

And here comes billburns2 again:

No, I made it clear I despise Shariah law because of the people--Muslims or otherwise--who DIDN'T have the freedom to opt out. How is this possibly a double-standard? Of course, he didn't post this until I had already been blocked...

Of course, he already had all sorts of fail, like:

Really? Closest thing in existence? What's www.judge.me then?
Good lord, the comparison between DROs and Sharia is just sad.  It's like he just picked the stuff out of a straw.

BTW, Shane, since I'm logged onto your forum before YouTube, I should let you know that the link I posted in the asshat's video was a link to Hawkeye's reply to it--the same one I posted in fav quotes.  Just so you know.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 14, 2012, 03:15:36 PM
I can't I actually found someone who tried to play devil's advocate and try to defend the cop...but I did (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1159184&postcount=50).

Quote from: bertjorBefore I begin, may I remind everyone that I find the actions of the officer disgusting, and in no way as a human being am I agreeing with what he did. Therefore, I am making the argument exclusively from a devil's advocate point of view, in the manner of which someone familiar with or the lawyer himself of the charged officer may argue rationally. With that in mind, let us begin.

OK, according to this article, it is stated that the officer is under "criminal investigation". Let us think about what this means for a second. This case is no longer within the confines of civil law, where a person should be compensated for misconduct on part of a person or organisation, but it has entered the sphere of criminal law, where the actions are defined as crimes. And if you would forgive my scathing reading on the issue, an action is a crime when it constitutes a simultaneous existence of both actus reus (a guilty action) and mens rea (a guilty mind, or intent).

By extension, the prosecution would have to prove that officer had an intent on striking the victim in the stomach, to which the defense may argue, and not without reason, that it merely represents a bell curve in the manner in which police officers react when in a difficult and aggressive situation. Bear in mind that the officer did report that the woman was "moving aggressively", but I will go into detail about the circumstances of the event later on.

Of course, the prosecution may not decide to accuse the officer of assault (elements of which were described in the previous paragraph) and instead choose to go with a charge that includes criminal recklessness or criminal negligence. Now, forgive my use of Wikipedia, but I believe it best expresses the difference between criminal recklessness and criminal negligence

Quote from: articleThe distinction between recklessness and criminal negligence lies in the presence or absence of foresight as to the prohibited consequences. Recklessness is usually described as a 'malfeasance' where the defendant knowingly exposes another to the risk of injury. The fault lies in being willing to run the risk. But criminal negligence is a 'misfeasance or 'nonfeasance' , where the fault lies in the failure to foresee and so allow otherwise avoidable dangers to manifest. In some cases this failure can rise to the level of willful blindness where the individual intentionally avoids adverting to the reality of a situation.

Therefore, if the defense can prove that the officer was not familiar with all the elements of the situation, it means that he wasn't able to foresee (and by extension, ignore any plausible outcomes) any events, thereby eliminating mens rea from the equation of the crime.

So let us analyze the situation for a moment. The officer is found in a tense situation where he has to put down an individual relating to a crime of domestic violence. According to the officer, the woman was "moving aggressively", and yes pregnant women can be angry too. It was dark, the woman was "wearing a large shirt", and in a country where most of the population is obese, is it truly strange that a person may mistake a pregnant woman for obese, given sufficient elements? Furthermore, do you know the force in kick? He certainly could have made far more damage then he did, yet the fetus although sick and born with C-section, the baby and mother are healthy. This may indicate that the officer performed without intent of harm, as the kick would not have harmed a normal individual, merely knock them to the ground.

Bear in mind that these are the woman's statements in the news

Quote from: article"I think he really just didn't want me asking him any questions, questioning him, and when I did question him is when he kicked me," Dozier told Channel 2.

"I was upset because I couldn't believe an officer would kick me, with my child in my stomach," she said.

So she didn't deny the accusations of the officer, which were officially filed that she was moving aggressively, but states that she was indeed upset, and she did confront the officer. Her statements merely give the actions described by the officer context, not negation.

So without clear intent, without a certain evidence that the officer had clear indication of the facts and elements, this cannot stand as a criminal case. This is at best a civil issue, where the woman should be compensated, and the officer warned that more is expected in his performance as an officer.

This is probably what Internal affairs thought as well. This is no way a criminal affair, and if there is a civil lawsuit, payment may be appropriated to the woman, and the officer warned. And while accusing the woman of higher crimes then the person they were arresting is a bit too much, but then again, as police officers they were responsible to do so under the law as well. It is up to the prosecution to decide if there is enough grounds to accept the case or not, and from what I have read, the police later dropped the case.

Anyway, that is all I have. Please bear in mind that in no way do I agree with this pig. I am merely stating an argumentative point that may be used in a trial.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 14, 2012, 05:15:24 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 14, 2012, 11:36:54 AM
And then there's our old friend billburns2:

I responded: "Without being an AnCap, and therefore not feeling I am in any proper position to defend them, I think there's one difference that should be obvious even to a moronic cultlist like you have repeatedly proven yourself to be:

"DROs are voluntary; Shariah Law isn't."

Then he responded (emphasis mine):

(Remember that: Shariah Law is voluntary for NON-Muslims.)

Quick summary of the next few exchanges: I pointed out how a) this still sucks for Muslim women who get stoned, and b) it means it's actually not voluntary; it has to be voluntary for EVERYBODY, otherwise you've just created a privileged class to whom the law doesn't apply.

njanovic1980 then brought up the same point, and I said: "I've already responded to this: this makes non-Muslims a privileged class. It's WRONG. I don't know why you keep bringing it up as if it refutes something."

And here comes billburns2 again:

No, I made it clear I despise Shariah law because of the people--Muslims or otherwise--who DIDN'T have the freedom to opt out. How is this possibly a double-standard? Of course, he didn't post this until I had already been blocked...

Of course, he already had all sorts of fail, like:

Really? Closest thing in existence? What's www.judge.me then?

wow...just...wow.

the point of the matter is, the two are definitely not the same: "Sharia law" (which is really a series of different law codes*) is a religious practice, meant for people of the Muslim faith when dealing with each other, and in some cases, non Muslims (like in interest). DRO's have no religious or ideological implication. further, DRO's IIRC aren't based on religious books or the opinions of clerics, who shouldn't even exist according to the Qur'an itself (sorta like Christians calling people "Moron", even though the Bible says not to).

*in Sunni Islam for example, there are four jurisprudences, and Shi'ism has IIRC has half a dozen or more schools. then you have Ibadis, Ismaelis (the Agha Khan people), as well as several extinct versions (the azariqa (lit. "the blues"), assassins, etc.). There's even a reform movement that is "Qur'an only" that is hugely anti-stoning and in some cases for gay rights (there's this one Lesbian lady who is an example).

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 14, 2012, 07:32:34 PM
.....It continues (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1159366&postcount=46).

Quote from: bertjorIf moral or ethical justification was made solely on the principle of legal verdict, then you would be correct. However, I did not make that claim specifically, and if anything, I failed to explain the only plausible conclusion from my legalistic explanation, which I admit was a shortcoming. That is, while the legal system if biased and inaccurate, the legal principle on the other hand, offers us insight into certain actions devoid of any emotional involvement. That is why, to name one example, Bin Laden should have been, if the courts decide, executed on the foundation of a prosecutor's case, not a nation's sentiments.

Essentially, we cannot even consider or make out the facts of this case to even fit the 2 dimensional legal frame, yet we are willing to bring 3 dimensional moral judgement. As he said it was dark and stressful situation, and it is a matter of an opinion if a person can detect a pregnant stomach under a large clothing. I believe that there are even people on this forum that can attest to at least one instance where they wondered if the woman was pregnant or simply obese.

As a final point, rarely does anyone know the stress of being a police officer, and sooner or later, any officer, even the most experienced ones will most likely use excessive force in relation to the situation at least once. Police officers are human as well, and there are bound to be mistakes. Of course, in that context that doesn't absolve the officer from responsibility; but as I said, to make this more clear, this falls in the category of a civil dispute, rather then a criminal investigation, as a legal mirror to the context and meaning of the officer's actions.


The problem with this argument is that it goes both ways. There is a distinct possibility that the woman lied concerning her action. But even more so, observe her statements again. Nowhere has she directly denied the police officer's accusations, and merely stating what she was doing when she was kicked. She states that she was "asking questions", as if a person cannot yell and scream and approach aggressively while screaming curse words, and at the same time throw in a question now an then.

Also, as the article said, he was at the center of an investigation regarding 2 other cases, but not convicted. Of course, that doesn't mean that we should ignore it, but we should place them in their proper context. It does indicate a pattern, but at the same time, it is insufficient to assume the facts of this case and derive judgment, moral or otherwise, on the basis of this pattern.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on May 14, 2012, 08:42:27 PM
QuoteAs a final point, rarely does anyone know the stress of being a police officer, and sooner or later, any officer, even the most experienced ones will most likely use excessive force in relation to the situation at least once.

Exchange police officer with anyone else and see if this person likes the idea of the carte blanche they just gave people to use violence. Also from actually knowing a few cops I can tell you most of them admit being a cop is actually easy most of the time. One cop told me one of the reasons some of them over react is that their job is plain boring 99% of the time and they expected it to be non-stop shoot outs and car chases from what they see on TV. He wasn't making excuses, he's a Detective trying to explain why he thinks most of his co-workers are wastes of skin.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 14, 2012, 10:10:06 PM
QuoteIf moral or ethical justification was made solely on the principle of legal verdict, then you would be correct. However, I did not make that claim specifically, and if anything, I failed to explain the only plausible conclusion from my legalistic explanation, which I admit was a shortcoming. That is, while the legal system if biased and inaccurate, the legal principle on the other hand, offers us insight into certain actions devoid of any emotional involvement. That is why, to name one example, Bin Laden should have been, if the courts decide, executed on the foundation of a prosecutor's case, not a nation's sentiments.

and yet, it doesn't change the fact that the incident shouldn't have occurred. The policeman is just as accountable for murder or assault as a normal person.

QuoteEssentially, we cannot even consider or make out the facts of this case to even fit the 2 dimensional legal frame,

yes we can: the copper committed assault for no real reason. Assault is illegal, therefore, he is guilty. is it really this hard?

Quoteyet we are willing to bring 3 dimensional moral judgement. As he said it was dark and stressful situation, and it is a matter of an opinion if a person can detect a pregnant stomach under a large clothing. I believe that there are even people on this forum that can attest to at least one instance where they wondered if the woman was pregnant or simply obese.

that is irrelevant; who the fuck gave that policeman the right to kick anyone, just for crying? why do you think that whether the person is pregnant or not matters?




QuoteAs a final point, rarely does anyone know the stress of being a police officer, and sooner or later, any officer, even the most experienced ones will most likely use excessive force in relation to the situation at least once.

by that logic, I could argue that anyone could commit assault if stressed. and no, the Police aren't that stressed; it's not as if they're on Omaha or sth.

QuotePolice officers are human as well, and there are bound to be mistakes. Of course, in that context that doesn't absolve the officer from responsibility; but as I said, to make this more clear, this falls in the category of a civil dispute, rather then a criminal investigation, as a legal mirror to the context and meaning of the officer's actions.


what the fuck? so assault is now a civil dispute? is this guy on drugs?


QuoteThe problem with this argument is that it goes both ways. There is a distinct possibility that the woman lied concerning her action. But even more so, observe her statements again. Nowhere has she directly denied the police officer's accusations, and merely stating what she was doing when she was kicked. She states that she was "asking questions", as if a person cannot yell and scream and approach aggressively while screaming curse words, and at the same time throw in a question now an then.

because that is irrelevent! you don't just kick people! it's not like she was shooting at him or attacking him physically. so what if she was cursing or not?

QuoteAlso, as the article said, he was at the center of an investigation regarding 2 other cases, but not convicted. Of course, that doesn't mean that we should ignore it, but we should place them in their proper context. It does indicate a pattern, but at the same time, it is insufficient to assume the facts of this case and derive judgment, moral or otherwise, on the basis of this pattern.

here's the context: these cops think their above the law and are assaulting, or even murdering, people; and even if that wasn't the case, it does change the fact that he committed an act of physical assault. is this too much for this guy, or is a Homo erectus possessed of greater thinking power?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 14, 2012, 10:32:09 PM
In light of recent events, I decided to check out billburns2's profile.

Shane, Hawkeye, get ready to laugh:

"All forms of civil discussion are welcome, particularly if they reference background material which I might not have seen. You are also entitled to voice your own opinions. What you aren't entitled to do is use my channel as a soapbox for your ideology. Please avoid multiple comment threads or rants comprising of 12 back-to-back comments. If you have a lot to say then make a video." (bold for emphasis; not his; mine)

But wait, there's more!

"Any comment that includes variations of the following will have me reaching for the block button:
"You don't understand simple economics"
- Yes I do, I just may not agree with your school of economic theory.

"You are clearly too stupid to grasp the concept of...(yadda yadda)"
- Save your ad homs and other forms of conversational terrorism for someone else."

Billburns2:  slaying libertarians via our huge fits of laughter at him since 2009.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 15, 2012, 12:20:01 AM
AKA: contradiction and hypocrisy at its finest.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on May 15, 2012, 12:23:28 AM
On Ron Paul calling an end to his campaign

QuoteNah he and that Ayn Rand vision just breathed it's last gasp and good riddance. The last thing this country needs is another Herbert Hoover.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 15, 2012, 08:35:12 AM
On this video:

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From PMEWhite: "I'm sorry Libertarian Party: Ron Paul 2012 !! I put Faith in God, not secularism."

As House said, "But I bet you still look both ways before crossing the road"

(As for that video, Judge Gray was good, but their producers need to step up their game! That was amateurish at best.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on May 15, 2012, 10:28:53 AM
     
Quoteyet we are willing to bring 3 dimensional moral judgement. As he said it was dark and stressful situation, and it is a matter of an opinion if a person can detect a pregnant stomach under a large clothing. I believe that there are even people on this forum that can attest to at least one instance where they wondered if the woman was pregnant or simply obese.


And of course the proper thing to do is kick them in the stomach to make sure.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 16, 2012, 10:29:38 AM
This guy (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1160431&postcount=7)

Quote from: Darkbane77I'll admit, I'm biased due to my upbringing, but I can't see Zimmerman as anything but in the wrong. In my opinion, neighborhood watch should not carry around loaded pistols. Mace/tazers, fine, but not a firearm. On that point alone, I side with Martin. Even if everything Zimmerman said is true (which I highly doubt), I'd still stand with Martin.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2012, 06:47:41 PM
Every single comment left by FSAthe1st on this video:

[yt]dLA3_xch478[/yt]

Christ, this guy does NOT know when to let go.  Hell, he even admitted to trolling Shane in the very comments.

When I brought this up to Hawkeye in the comments, he responded with:

"Yes, because that's all he (Shane) deserves.

By the way... Let him know that circle jerk does not exclusively mean to jack off a man's penis.

While you're at it... Let him know that Butt-Buddies doesn't have alternative definitions.

And while you're at it... Let him know that pointing out that someone has accused you of deleting comments doesn't constitute libel or character assassination just because the accuser retracted the comment.


finally... Let him know that accusing your critics of deleting comments while doing exactly that yourself is an instance of base hypocrisy.

Run along now, there's a good boy."

Shane must have made this guy incredibly butt-hurt.  ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 16, 2012, 08:58:37 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 16, 2012, 06:47:41 PMBy the way... Let him know that circle jerk does not exclusively mean to jack off a man's penis.

Oh, really? What else would they be jerking, their thumbs?

QuoteWhile you're at it... Let him know that Butt-Buddies doesn't have alternative definitions.

Yes, it does, and I gave them to him. First of all, any couple--gay, straight, lesbian, trannies, whatever--can be butt-buddies. Second, it's a very common euphemism for sycophant. He really let his desperation show when he tried to use it to say I'm a homophobe.

QuoteAnd while you're at it... Let him know that pointing out that someone has accused you of deleting comments doesn't constitute libel or character assassination just because the accuser retracted the comment.

So, repeating an accusation of someone who's already said their accusation wasn't true ISN'T spreading false accusations? I'd love to know the mental gymnastics behind that one.

QuoteShane must have made this guy incredibly butt-hurt.  ;D

Apparently. He never responded to my podcast pwnage. And notice he only comes around and talks about me once I've been blocked by another butt-hurt statist.

(Oh, wait, you think maybe he'll call us both homophobes for saying "butt-hurt"?)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 16, 2012, 09:08:14 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 16, 2012, 08:58:37 PM(Oh, wait, you think maybe he'll call us both homophobes for saying "butt-hurt"?)

Maybe he prefers "anally devastated."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 16, 2012, 09:23:32 PM
Quote from: D on May 16, 2012, 09:08:14 PMMaybe he prefers "anally devastated."

No, I think anything in that region is homophobic to him. Maybe it's some form of denial.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 17, 2012, 12:56:34 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 16, 2012, 09:23:32 PM
No, I think anything in that region is homophobic to him. Maybe it's some form of denial.

just say he's BAWWing. can't imply homophobia from it.

(it's an encyclopedia dramatica thing. the less you know, the better. but BAWWing describes people making a moping sound from "butthurt")
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 17, 2012, 03:12:13 PM
And yet more from That Video:

Quote from: franks2732Perhaps if you guys did not troll, false flag, set up bogus accounts etc etc people would not feel the need to attack you.

And when has there been ANY evidence of Libertarians doing this? This is just a pathetic excuse for crappy behavior. Besides, WE don't respond that way when statists, creationists, etc. do it to us!

Quote from: franks2732That genius [shanedk] also claimed Libertarians would have jumped in and stopped the atrocities going on in Somalia because...they are Libertarians. But, he could not explain how why they support the South and their atrocities of slavery. Another notch on the bed post of Libertarian hypocrisy.

What? Libertarians support slavery? SINCE WHEN??? And hadn't I already mentioned Lysander Spooner and William Lloyd Garrison as Libertarian heroes?

Quote from: FSAthe1stAs for flagging and so on... Don't even get me started.

Yeah, 'cause he'd have to start lying even more, falsely accusing us of flagging videos when we've done no such thing.

Quote from: FSAthe1st"BTW, only five countries rank as free: Hong Kong, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland, and Australia."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Australia? You do realise that Australia is an example of a state society that has a great deal of social protections in place for its' citizens? The sort of protections you and your Acolytes frown upon?

Congratulations on demonstrating your inability to carry out basic research.

Let's see: http://www.heritage.org/index/country/australia

Australia ranks #3. Its highest scores are: Business Freedom 91.9%, Labor Freedom 90.6, and Property Rights and Financial Freedom at 90.0. Its lowest scores are: Fiscal Freedom 63.4 and Government Spending 67.1. So, basically, he cherry-picks two aspects they scored low on and makes out like I'm being ridiculous when I'm the one who cited a metric that included ALL economic policies. And then he accused ME of not doing basic research!

And of course, they're all doing this knowing I'm blocked and can't respond.

I'd say butt-hurt doesn't even begin to cover it! This must be a threat down to their core, unravelling their pathetic fundamentalist religion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 17, 2012, 09:16:37 PM
@Shane:  Indeed.  Them referring to some libertarians as acolytes; as if we're a religion was just desperate.  He's projecting psychologically so hard he can be seen from the moon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 17, 2012, 09:33:00 PM
So just because I'm so exhausted, but in the mood for a few laughs, I decided to post the following comment on his "Adopt a libertarian" video (not a fail):

"You know if you want to discuss the matter so badly, why not come on over to Shane's forum:  bogosity(DOT)tv/forum/index(DOT)php?topic=315(DOT)1695
We have cake. :P
We won't bite, honest!"

Aaaand, in a second comment, stated, "The above applies to anyone in the comments of this video.
I'll see you there. :3"

I'm so burned out.  So glad finals are over and I can enjoy summer break. :)
All 14 weeks of it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 17, 2012, 09:46:20 PM
So don't ask me why, but I just went nuts and posted a bunch of comments (including conveying Shane's response regarding Austrailia to FSAthe1st) in the comments of the Adopt a Libertarian video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 17, 2012, 09:55:21 PM
So after my generious offer was posted, I got this reply from mr. 1980:

"Perhaps not bite but some how I imagine dear old Shanedk ejects a lot of spit when he starts screaming LIAR! LIAR! LIAR! at those who disagree with him. It's funny how a guy who claims to want "rational" exchanges behaves like a hysterical asshole right from the beginning of an exchange and how a guy who claims to love "liberty" and "freedom" doesn't allow anyone either the freedom or liberty to disagree with him. It's like he is the libertarian Pope, deciding what is correct orthodox belief."

The bastard!
I even offered cake...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 17, 2012, 10:20:06 PM
Awww.  Njanovich1980 blocked me.  Pity.  I was having so much fun.

I made the comparison to before slavery was abolished of his "not seen in the real world" argument, and while I did make a comparison to the airplane, he only addressed the latter, says "it's not the same; we're like the bolshevics!!!" etc.
You know, because wanting to get rid of institutionalized violence is the same as wanting to enslave the rich.

A bit interesting that he'd block me, I'm sorry, "put me in time out" (I swear, it makes him sound like a pedophile when he says that), when I decide that I'm warmed out and start making actual arguments.

Amount of surprise from this turn of events:  zero.

And if njanovic and the rest of his butt-buddies (yeah, I went there. :P ) are reading this, know the cowards are you.
Ya' crazy cultists, lol.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 17, 2012, 10:29:27 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 17, 2012, 09:16:37 PM
@Shane:  Indeed.  Them referring to some libertarians as acolytes; as if we're a religion was just desperate.  He's projecting psychologically so hard he can be seen from the moon.

In a not-entirely-coincidental happenstance, I'm finally finishing up my Cult of the Omnipotent State video. I'll be out of town this weekend and unable to do the podcast, so this might fill the void anyway.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 17, 2012, 10:30:16 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 17, 2012, 10:20:06 PM
Awww.  Njanovich1980 blocked me.

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 18, 2012, 12:56:58 AM
@Shane:  I look forward to this video. :)

Yeah, and of course, I start getting replies from franks#### about how you "blocked him years ago" and "block people on your channel for disagreeing with his ideology."  Bullshit; as anyone looking in the comments can tell you, you do allow dissenting opinion; if he blocked people for that, no creationists, statists, moonhoaxers, etc would even be commenting on his videos; at least not for as long as they do. 
No; you only block for violations of your rules (which are laid out on your channel, plain as day), and, IIRC, were explained to him, and the other baww'ing butthurt whiners in that video's comment section.

Really, the whole waiting to reply to Shane and I after we were blocked was a very coward move.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 18, 2012, 01:02:09 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 17, 2012, 10:29:27 PM
In a not-entirely-coincidental happenstance, I'm finally finishing up my Cult of the Omnipotent State video. I'll be out of town this weekend and unable to do the podcast, so this might fill the void anyway.

looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 18, 2012, 06:54:47 AM
Wait just a butt-hurt statist minute:

Quote from: franks2732"Yes about a year ago he made claims to holding university qualifications in economics etc,"

When did I EVER claim to have ANY kind of degree in economics? The only degree I've EVER claimed to have is a BA from St. Andrews Presbyterian College in Laurinburg, NC.*

I took an economics class at UNCG; that's pretty much it as far as my formal economics education goes. I'm mostly an autodidact in the subject.

So, this is yet another false accusation against me, claiming that I've claimed bogus degrees I never had. THIS is the behavior that got him blocked!

(*EDIT: Aside from my Bogus Doctorates, that is, which are obviously parody. Maybe I should make up one for Macrobogonomics.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 18, 2012, 02:46:49 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 18, 2012, 06:54:47 AM
Wait just a butt-hurt statist minute:

When did I EVER claim to have ANY kind of degree in economics? The only degree I've EVER claimed to have is a BA from St. Andrews Presbyterian College in Laurinburg, NC.*

I took an economics class at UNCG; that's pretty much it as far as my formal economics education goes. I'm mostly an autodidact in the subject.

So, this is yet another false accusation against me, claiming that I've claimed bogus degrees I never had. THIS is the behavior that got him blocked!

(*EDIT: Aside from my Bogus Doctorates, that is, which are obviously parody. Maybe I should make up one for Macrobogonomics.)
Out of curiosity, what was your BA in?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 18, 2012, 02:51:32 PM
And I get a reply from the most butthurt of them all, FSAthe1st:

"'Also, you're making the positive claim of Shane's blocking habits, you back it up.'

watch?v=MLX3MmUaUJo
watch?v=MT76J_H9QL4

That's just the evidence I myself have collected. Deny that."

Put in fail quotes because it was delivered after I was blocked.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 18, 2012, 04:10:29 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 18, 2012, 02:46:49 PM
Out of curiosity, what was your BA in?

Art/Computer Graphics.

Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 18, 2012, 02:51:32 PM
And I get a reply from the most butthurt of them all, FSAthe1st:

"'Also, you're making the positive claim of Shane's blocking habits, you back it up.'

watch?v=MLX3MmUaUJo
watch?v=MT76J_H9QL4

That's just the evidence I myself have collected. Deny that."

Put in fail quotes because it was delivered after I was blocked.

And they're both his own videos! #FAIL
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 18, 2012, 04:26:14 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 18, 2012, 04:10:29 PMArt/Computer Graphics.
Weird, I thought you had a degree in Computer Science.

That explains why you said you knew the stuff you knew about Adobe Photoshop in your Alex Jones' Experts being incompetent boobs by trade (or something like that).  And why you said you are a video editor by trade.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 05:52:26 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 18, 2012, 04:10:29 PM
Art/Computer Graphics.

And they're both his own videos! #FAIL

This is the same guy who blocked me for questioning some talking points from the first few minutes of his vid.

You can't even call this hypocrisy, it's so inevitable!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 18, 2012, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 18, 2012, 04:26:14 PM
Weird, I thought you had a degree in Computer Science.

No, I minored in Computer Science and Music.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 18, 2012, 07:35:17 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 18, 2012, 06:55:40 PMNo, I minored in Computer Science and Music.

The more you know! (star!)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 19, 2012, 07:22:57 AM
That Video again:

Quote from: franks2732Oh and Shane blocked me on his channel years ago, Shane has blocked well everyone who does not agree with his ideological position.

(The same claim was made by many others.)

Yes, that's why I'm blocking all those people disagreeing left and right in the comments of my new video! Oh, wait a minute...

Maybe I blocked him because he's a pathetic liar? He followed that statement up with:

Quotehe even blocked those who actually proved Shane lied about his university degrees (yep Shane don't have any).

I have a Bachelor's Degree from St. Andrews Presbyterian College in Laurinburg, NC and can easily prove this to anyone who asks (although why they should even care is beyond me). The point is, make false accusations against someone (like falsely accusing them of claiming degrees they don't have) and you get blocked. It's right there in the rules.

They got blocked because they violated the rules, after repeated warnings, and not for any other reason.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 20, 2012, 07:19:22 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/525878_4144214967727_1354330004_33684298_591974305_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 21, 2012, 08:51:11 AM
Someone I went to high school with apparently found "God" recently. She has a ton of shit I can post here, but I decided to stick with the latest gem.

QuoteIt is so funny how people give so much power to coincidence. Anything that is unusual, or perfect in timing, is coincidence. "Oh that, it was just coincidence." We boil it down. We are not a thankful generation. It was never us at all and we know it. But what if coincidence was God. What if all the cool little moments in life were little hellos. God's got a good sense of humor, believe it or not. What if we gave Him the thanks for "coincidental" awesome moments.. where we didn't think we would make it, yet we did. Then He would be on our side. And the coincidence turns to favor. And the waves of His love wash grace to our shores. You will be surprised how blessed you are when you are thankful for little things, and don't pass them off as nothing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 21, 2012, 09:14:06 AM
Quote from: D's friend on May 21, 2012, 08:51:11 AMBut what if coincidence was God. What if all the cool little moments in life were little hellos.

What would that make the terrible moments? God's little fuck-yous? Once again, we see how one-sided this is. Christians complain about Monty Python's song, "All things dull and ugly / All creatures short and squat / All things rude and nasty / The Lord God made the lot." But do they not believe that to be true? There's definitely some compartmentalization going on there.

QuoteWhat if we gave Him the thanks for "coincidental" awesome moments.

Then we should also curse him for the coincidental terrible ones.

Also, given the rate that coincidences happen, it seems that God only does it as much as we would expect from blind, random chance. So yet again, God operates in a way that is indistinguishable from him not existing at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 21, 2012, 09:15:07 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 21, 2012, 09:14:06 AMAlso, given the rate that coincidences happen, it seems that God only does it as much as we would expect from blind, random chance. So yet again, God operates in a way that is indistinguishable from him not existing at all.

Yes, I'm talking to myself, but I just thought of another ramification of this: this would mean that for every beneficial coincidence God creates he'd have to stop a different one from happening!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 21, 2012, 08:42:24 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/165907_465602600131923_108038612554992_1733153_511139636_n.jpg)

The caption that "Americans Against the Tea Party (https://www.facebook.com/NoTeaParty)" on Facebook used for this picture is MAJOR fail:

"Proof that not all rednecks are racist"

Someone needs to curb stomp this "Opposition equals racism" bullshit and bury it forever.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2012, 08:49:42 PM
@D:  Christ, this is even worse than the "YER NOT EN AMERIKUN!" bullshit the opposition to Bush would throw out...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 21, 2012, 08:52:56 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 21, 2012, 08:49:42 PM
@D:  Christ, this is even worse than the "YER NOT EN AMERIKUN!" bullshit the opposition to Bush would throw out...

Meh, in the end I'd say it's the same. It's falsely demonizing your opposition for the purpose of bettering your own position.

Either way, it's equally dishonest.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 21, 2012, 09:03:25 PM
Oh this is good.

(http://i50.tinypic.com/c22yf.jpg)

That was a response to this picture:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/551035_10150912017969872_367822059871_9383564_1484793195_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2012, 11:13:43 PM
Quote from: D on May 21, 2012, 08:52:56 PM
Meh, in the end I'd say it's the same. It's falsely demonizing your opposition for the purpose of bettering your own position.

Either way, it's equally dishonest.
Kinda hard to ignore the difference in magnitude of despicable-ness, imho.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2012, 11:14:29 PM
Quote from: D on May 21, 2012, 09:03:25 PM
Oh this is good.

(http://i50.tinypic.com/c22yf.jpg)

That was a response to this picture:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/551035_10150912017969872_367822059871_9383564_1484793195_n.jpg)

As an anarchist, both the image and the Facebook post sound like a reason to not HAVE a president in the first place
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 21, 2012, 11:25:35 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 21, 2012, 11:14:29 PM
As an anarchist, both the image and the Facebook post sound like a reason to not HAVE a president in the first place

frankly, I wonder if the guy who made the comment has anything that can be construed as a brain with which memories may be stored, since you know, Obama ran on an antiwar ticket....granted, it was merely "withdrawing" from Iraq and Afghanistan, but you get the idea.

frankly though, I haven't given up at that point: no--I gave up all hope in our government when I saw this:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on May 22, 2012, 11:57:02 AM
From the Facebook group for my local offshot off Occupy

Quote
The ideal Democratic Party Platform for 2012:
Scrap Obamacare for Universal Healthcare.

A National Minimum Wage of 10.50 a hour.

Raising Capital Gains taxes from 15% to 28%(2013) and 35%(2014)

Cut Defense Spending by 26%

Expand enforcement of the 1964 Civil Rights Act on States passing laws that grossly infringe on civil liberties.

Reinstate Smoot - Hawley

Rigorous enforcement of Sherman Anti-Trust on the banking, media, energy, automakers and national retailers.

Require all American citizens to pay into Social Security.

Legislate national sales taxes on all Wall Street transactions.
Nationalize all "illegal Aliens" within our borders and get them on the tax rolls.

Create a new jobs program to modernize infrastructure, sewage, energy, transportation, schools, and hospitals.

Outlaw derivatives trading and other methods of commoditizing debt.

Broad write offs of existing student loan debt and setting price controls on collegiate tuitions across the country.

Suspend and renegotiate all "free trade" agreements with countries that do not have parity of business and labor standards with that of the United States.

Accellerate deployment from Afghanistan cutting the transition from ten to five years.

Nationalize the Federal Reserve System.

Offer incentives to expand and create more employee owned enterprises in green technology, service, and manufacturing industries.

A 2 cent national consumption tax to go towards national debt reduction.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 22, 2012, 02:22:31 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on May 22, 2012, 11:57:02 AM
From the Facebook group for my local offshot off Occupy

Good lord...that was painful.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on May 22, 2012, 03:02:30 PM
If we outlaw methods for commoditizing debt that's going to make it hard for the Government to sell its debt.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 22, 2012, 09:50:04 PM
Source (http://studentsforliberty.org/blog/inevitable-anarchism-the-non-aggression-principles-persuasive-challenge/)

Quote"Taxation is theft." "War is murder." "Citizenship is slavery." If you're a frequenter of libertarian circles like myself, then you've likely encountered some of these oversimplified statements before. They can be overheard at countless conferences and socials, usually overconfidently declared by some schmuck wearing a bow tie, as if his words were the divine dictates of the God he doesn't believe in. While these statements may fly by unfettered in the libertarian echo chamber where everyone agrees with our bow-tied buffoon, I believe such claims of universal truth are detrimental to use in conversations aiming to convert non-libertarians.

These oversimplified statements are most often inspired by the deontological strand of libertarianism led by late, great thinkers like Ayn Rand and Murray Rothbard. Deontological libertarians believe that political ethics should be boiled down to protecting our natural rights of life, liberty, and property — the "non-aggression principle," as Rothbard called it. Returning to my initial examples, deontological libertarians would say that governments initiates force in laying taxes, waging war, and setting citizenship requirements, and therefore all three are categorically immoral.

While the non-aggression principle is certainly admirable in its philosophical concision, what it has in simplicity it lacks in substance. What, after all, is the role of government in a society that categorically rejects the initiation of force? The only logical answer would be that the government has no role since its existence would necessarily require the initiation of force through taxation. While this conclusion may please anarcho-capitalists, the reality is that most people are not so quick to "smash the state," rather having a deep-seated belief in a role for government.

Indeed, most people would find the conclusions of the non-aggression calculus to be outright absurd. To them, taxation is not categorically theft, but rather can be appropriate to provide for some necessary functions of government like the criminal justice system. To them, war is not categorically murder, but rather can be appropriate to defend against existential enemies. Certainly the government's monopoly of force can be scary at times, such non-libertarians may think, but abandoning this monopoly for the state of nature is even scarier. Any attempt to force anarchism down such their throats will only cause them to vomit it right out. Thus, it would be futile to try to convert non-libertarians with the non-aggression principle, since it will only give them an anarchist answer that they are fundamentally uncomfortable with.

Granted, many deontological libertarians have advocated a role for government while maintaining a natural rights framework, like Ayn Rand and John Locke. To these thinkers, a limited government is a "necessary evil," to borrow Thomas Paine's famous phrase. It's necessary in that it provides services such as police, courts, and the military that protect against the initiation of force; however, it's evil in that these services paradoxically requires the initiation of force to exist.  Unfortunately, this contradictory acceptance of the initiation of force in the name of ending the initiation of force raises an uncomfortable question that leaves any libertarian evangelizer susceptible to argumentative attack. Namely, if the government's initiation of force is acceptable for "the greater good" in providing limited services like police, courts, and the military, why couldn't it have a larger role for the benefit of "the greater good" in providing even more services?

It's at this point that our libertarian recruiter must either concede to anarcho-capitalism or abandon deontology to rather provide a consequentialist critique of government's inefficiency. In the former case, the prospective convert would likely walk away laughing at the "nutcase" recruiter advocating the abolition of government. In the latter cause, the recruiter would probably hold the prospective convert's attention, going through consequentialists critiques like those of Friedrich Hayek or Milton Friedman,  but he or she would have wasted their time in advocating some questionable non-aggression principle.

So, I suggest to you libertarian evangelizers out there to avoid the nebulous non-aggression principle for the graspable facts of government inefficiency. Economics and public choice theory are much more powerful persuaders than some imperceptible axiom that contains a fundamental contradiction. Oh, and leave the bow ties in your grandfather's closet.

Apparently the non-aggression principle is too simple and lacks substance to some people.

If you believe in the non-aggression principle and you're for small government, you are contradicting yourself, and if you believe in the non-aggression principle and you are an anarcho-capitalist, you are insane. Wonderful.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 22, 2012, 10:41:07 PM
And he dissed bow ties! Bow ties are cool!

(http://www.mcmbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/matt-smith-doctor-who.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 22, 2012, 10:44:01 PM
Quote from: some idiot
Granted, many deontological libertarians have advocated a role for government while maintaining a natural rights framework, like Ayn Rand and John Locke. To these thinkers, a limited government is a "necessary evil," to borrow Thomas Paine's famous phrase. It's necessary in that it provides services such as police, courts, and the military that protect against the initiation of force; however, it's evil in that these services paradoxically requires the initiation of force to exist. 

nice strawman.

Quote from: some idiotUnfortunately, this contradictory acceptance of the initiation of force in the name of ending the initiation of force raises an uncomfortable question that leaves any libertarian evangelizer susceptible to argumentative attack. Namely, if the government's initiation of force is acceptable for "the greater good" in providing limited services like police, courts, and the military, why couldn't it have a larger role for the benefit of "the greater good" in providing even more services?



funny you should ask why....I mean, I'm sure the fact that they can and do a very atrocious job at these other services, or that if they can give it, the can and do take it away, or that it's even more open to abuse than private means?

I mean, I can't name any examples myself of that...I'm totally stumped as to why *cough*waitlists*coughs*in*cough*NHS*cough*or*cough*overpriced*healthcare*cough*in*cough*the*USA*cough*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 23, 2012, 08:47:29 AM
Funny you should mention NHS waiting lists...

I recently shredded a guy who was pining for the good old days (before the reintroduction of privately run hospitals in the UK) when he claimed the NHS worked better.  The multi-YEAR waiting lists for even the simplest, most routine surgery didn't seem to phase him at all.  I don't like to think about how long it must have taken to get something requiring a specialist surgeon like orthopedic surgery done (never mind that a week in bed waiting for it can be fatal if you're 70 and need a broken hip replaced, never mind a YEAR).

Now, when they go over the limit on your wait time, you can get transferred into the private system, and suddenly you get your appointment with the specialist in about 2 days, and surgery in about 3 more, and a few more days recovery, and you're well on your way back after 14 days from referral, when you've already been 14 weeks waiting for the NHS.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 26, 2012, 04:11:23 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/297125_193003304109792_1285918459_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 27, 2012, 12:11:34 PM
whatever.scalzi.com/2012/05/15/straight-white-male-the-lowest-difficulty-setting-there-is/ (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/05/15/straight-white-male-the-lowest-difficulty-setting-there-is/)

So I'm on AIM with D, and he says he'd like to nominate the author of the above article for Idiot Extraordinaire.  I second this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 29, 2012, 12:47:56 PM
Biggest economic fail EVER!

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2012, 02:22:20 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 29, 2012, 12:47:56 PM
Biggest economic fail EVER!

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Christ!
I read some of the comments from this guy.

"In a competitive market, they will produce until the profit they make is equal to the opportunity cost of what they're doing. That means profit is zero if you consider opportunity cost a cost."
"In a monopoly, the equilibrium price is not the point of intersection of the curves, but the price which maximizes producer surplus. That only makes your problem worse; I was being generous to the libertarians by assuming the industry was perfectly competitive."

Biggest economic fail is an understatement.
I never thought I'd see the day when someone out econ-illiterated the socialists.  At least they understand that in a free market, companies try to maximize profits!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 29, 2012, 04:50:07 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 29, 2012, 02:22:20 PM
Christ!
I read some of the comments from this guy.

"In a competitive market, they will produce until the profit they make is equal to the opportunity cost of what they're doing. That means profit is zero if you consider opportunity cost a cost."

so how do businesses expand again? and how is "opportunity" a cost? taking advantage of it might, but the opportunity?



Quote"In a monopoly, the equilibrium price is not the point of intersection of the curves, but the price which maximizes producer surplus. That only makes your problem worse; I was being generous to the libertarians by assuming the industry was perfectly competitive."

oh, yeah, your generosity is all-encompassing!  ::)

which is interesting, because I'm not aware of any exception to the rule about price equilibrium--including monopolies--unless he for some retarded reason thinks that the price equilibrium doesn't shift.

oh, and why would a company maximize surplus? I mean, the guy knows what surplus is, right? or is he really as retarded as I fear? is he seriously implying that "monopolies" produce shit for the lulz?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on May 29, 2012, 04:59:17 PM
Enthalpay needs to actually do some of the supply and demand graph homework from the Open Courseware he pretends to have read. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2012, 05:37:15 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 29, 2012, 04:50:07 PMhow is "opportunity" a cost? taking advantage of it might, but the opportunity?

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/opportunitycost.asp

In all fairness that is an economic term.

But the way he uses it seems more to cloud, rather than reveal.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 29, 2012, 06:02:18 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 29, 2012, 05:37:15 PM
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/opportunitycost.asp

In all fairness that is an economic term.

But the way he uses it seems more to cloud, rather than reveal.

fair enough. even then though, what he stated was still too vague, even misleading.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2012, 07:10:09 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 29, 2012, 06:02:18 PM
what he stated was still too vague, even misleading.
Seconded.
Speaking of which, when he says, "maximizes producer surplus" that is also an economic term.

This image illustrates it:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Economic-surpluses.svg)

But why he couldn't just say, "monopolies maximize the profits by increasing price and reducing supply (shifting the supply curve to the left)" isn't beyond me.  It seems, like you said, that he's trying to mislead and vague it up.  Then again, he seems to think that if one of the curves shifts, there is no intersection between the curves (basic visual-spatial memory fail).  So there you go.

Really, he strikes me as a pompous pseudo-intellectual dickhead in general.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2012, 07:57:19 PM
Every comment by DeepRainForest on this video:
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Long story short, she opens up with a bullshit accusation of hypocrisy for using gov't services (that we are forced to pay for and more often than not have no other alternatives because GovCo legislated them away).  And how civilization is evil and requires a state.  All typed up and using a computer and an internet connection on a private website:  three things that would not and could not exist in the romanticized hunter-gatherer fantasy she masturbates to each night.
I guess that makes her a hypocrite and her own arguments invalid too (oh snap!).

After we explained why her position is something pulled out of an ass regarding civilization and the state (that those two are both contradictory concepts).
Her response?
The old tired "well can you show me any examples of a stateless civilization; no you can't!"
So after sharing at least three: Anarchic Medieval Ireland; Anarchic Medieval Iceland and the "Wild" West;  she attempts to blow off the former (Ireland) by saying, "THEY HAD CHIEFTAINS THEY DON'T' COUNT!!!111"
To which Shane points out that people could choose a different one without even moving (and to show him a state that would allow you to do that) or even not have one at all if you so wanted.  After she blows this off (because it made her sad in the pants? I forget).
After (or during?) which she posts a bunch of refs from some bullshit website going on about how, "economics is just political control yada yada yada", etc; with arguments that would make a creationist facepalm.
After which she starts spamming (or at least posting) a bunch of posts with random caps wherein she just repeats her bullshit mantras about private property requiring the state, etc, etc; and after I told her to GTFO, still insists that she won the argument.
Meanwhile, back in reality,

She:
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/topic-frontend/2/8/0/77280_v1.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 30, 2012, 08:08:50 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 29, 2012, 07:10:09 PMReally, he strikes me as a pompous pseudo-intellectual dickhead in general.

And the FAIL just keeps on coming:

Quote from: enthalpaythe supply curve is based on costs and that the equilibrium is not the point of intersection in a monopoly...It is above the point where the graphs intersect. It DOES create a surplus.

Yeah, that's why electrical monopolies generate more energy than they can sell...that's why DeBeers puts more diamonds on the market than they can sell...geez! I don't think I've ever seen a statist this deluded before.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:16:40 AM
(http://i49.tinypic.com/345236a.jpg)


Also adding this, which was said in the conversation above:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/300fi14.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 30, 2012, 11:51:06 AM
Quote from: D on May 30, 2012, 10:16:40 AM
(http://i49.tinypic.com/345236a.jpg)


Also adding this, which was said in the conversation above:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/300fi14.jpg)

apparently, some dumbass never went to Kuwait or the UAE.

yeah, they're not perfect, but comparing them to SA or N. Korea?  ::)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2012, 12:55:23 PM
Quote from: D on May 30, 2012, 10:16:40 AM
(http://i49.tinypic.com/345236a.jpg)


Also adding this, which was said in the conversation above:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/300fi14.jpg)
North Korea doesn't pay taxes?!  Is he on mad crack or something?  They're the most economically repressed state in the world.  All they pay IS taxes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2012, 12:59:28 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2012, 08:08:50 AM
And the FAIL just keeps on coming:

Yeah, that's why electrical monopolies generate more energy than they can sell...that's why DeBeers puts more diamonds on the market than they can sell...geez! I don't think I've ever seen a statist this deluded before.
When I saw him say that monopolies produce more than competitive markets, I freakin' facepalmed.  I mean, come on!  This is something even a fucking socialist would be calling bullshit to.

In light of such statements from this guy, I thought I might be misunderstanding him when he spoke about profits being zero in a competitive market, but given his behavior with you, it sounds more like he realized he was caught saying something fucking retarded and simply pulled a semantics/retrofit card to change what he said to be what I said (the crap with opportunity cost, etc).
Really, I've never seen a statist this economically illiterate.  And this is coming from a guy who has debated (or at least watches people debate) "anarcho"-communismsts/socialists/primitivists/syndicalists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 30, 2012, 12:59:53 PM
Quote from: D on May 30, 2012, 10:16:40 AMAlso adding this, which was said in the conversation above:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/300fi14.jpg)

Just looking at NK: a 50% consumption tax, 25% Foreign Investment tax, and a 20% Dividend Income Tax all count as no taxes???
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2012, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2012, 12:59:53 PM
Just looking at NK: a 50% consumption tax, 25% Foreign Investment tax, and a 20% Dividend Income Tax all count as no taxes???
OK, so I was only 5% off.  Still better than being 95% off!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 30, 2012, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 30, 2012, 12:55:23 PM
North Korea doesn't pay taxes?!  Is he on mad crack or something?  They're the most economically repressed state in the world.  All they pay IS taxes.

You think that's bad? When I responded to him stating that people in North Korea don't even own property since the government claims everything, he said this:
(http://i45.tinypic.com/hwwc5j.jpg)

Apparently it is impossible to function with the concept of property if someone isn't stealing from you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2012, 01:07:40 PM
Quote from: D on May 30, 2012, 01:06:09 PMYou think that's bad? When I responded to him stating that people in North Korea don't even own property since the government claims everything, he said this:
(http://i45.tinypic.com/hwwc5j.jpg)

Well, it looks like this guy beat out enthalpay for the title of "most deluded statist".
So simple numbers are "big words"?  Christ, how does this guy manage to tie his shoes in the morning?  Well, I suppose that's why we have Velcro.
Not to mention he names literally the MOST taxed, most economically repressed most statist society in existence today (if not the worst in world history), and somehow this country's failure and blatant repression is somehow a refutation of NOT repressing people like this?
F-U-C-K-T-A-R-D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 30, 2012, 01:08:42 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 30, 2012, 01:07:40 PM
So simple numbers are "big words"?  Christ, how does this guy manage to tie his shoes in the morning?  Well, I suppose that's why we have Velcro.

No, the "big words" were "false dichotomy." Because I called it a false dichotomy that no taxes (even if the part of no taxes isn't even true) inherently means no property.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2012, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: D on May 30, 2012, 01:08:42 PMNo, the "big words" were "false dichotomy." Because I called it a false dichotomy that no taxes (even if the part of no taxes isn't even true) inherently means no property.
Sad.  I blame public schools.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 30, 2012, 01:13:43 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 30, 2012, 01:12:27 PM
Sad.  I blame public schools.

I blame his family.....considering it's my family.

Yep, that's my cousin on my mother's side.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2012, 01:16:35 PM
Quote from: D on May 30, 2012, 01:13:43 PM
I blame his family.....considering it's my family.

Yep, that's my cousin on my mother's side.
Wait, wasn't he the dude who posted a photo of himself on Facebook wearing a jacket saying he refuses to be forced to learn a second language to accommodate the illegals in his country, or something lame like that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 30, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 30, 2012, 01:16:35 PM
Wait, wasn't he the dude who posted a photo of himself on Facebook wearing a jacket saying he refuses to be forced to learn a second language to accommodate the illegals in his country, or something lame like that?

No. That was my step cousin on my father's side, and it wasn't himself wearing the jacket. He thought it was a clever picture and posted it on his facebook. He has long since taken it down though after I gave him hell for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2012, 03:10:57 PM
"Oh, another way Austrians act like creationsts:

4. Actually being creationists." --enthalpay https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=pWCQlzzFqoc
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2012, 03:18:13 PM
By the way, is anyone else unable find Shane's latest comments on those two train wrecks of videos of enthalpay's?  The ones I could find (from two hours ago) were all marked as spam...I'm not accusing enthalpay of censoring the comments but...aww, who am I kidding?  And would it really surprise anyone at this point?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 30, 2012, 03:39:33 PM
I have to say this: at least creationists go after ACTUAL BIOLOGISTS (Stephen Jay Gould, Richard Dawkins, PZ Myers, etc.), but enthalpay made a video supposedly about Austrian economists, but didn't actually reference or even mention any actual Austrian economists!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 30, 2012, 03:51:37 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 30, 2012, 03:10:57 PM
"Oh, another way Austrians act like creationsts:

4. Actually being creationists." --enthalpay https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=pWCQlzzFqoc

I'd dare him to say that directly to my face. a guy with a geosciences degree, specializing in paleontology (you know, involving evolution) and sed-strat.


Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 30, 2012, 05:49:24 PM
OK, even without reading this book I can see it's FAIL:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PAYcR-SzL._SL500_.jpg)

And this review on the Amazon page (http://www.amazon.com/Helping-retarded-know-God-handicapped/dp/B0006CAG4M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1338413305&sr=8-1) is FAIL, too, but the kid is win, win, WIN:

Quote from: King MabMy son is fifteen years old and is living with Down's Syndrome and nothing in this book seems to work, I just can't reach him. When I tried telling him about God's universal and unconditional love he just said, "Tell that to the aids babies dying of starvation every day in Africa". When I tried to teach him of how God sacrificed his only begotten son to cleanse us of sin he stared me straight in the face with eyes slightly too far apart and said, "that doesn't make any sense, he sacrificed himself to himself to rid us of the sins of someone who scientifically couldn't exist? Why would some imaginary jerk's sin even affect me at all? I didn't eat that apple, I'm not responsible, I wasn't even born. And don't get me started on correlation!" He even had the gall to ask me for proof, as if the proof isn't written in the wind and the trees and ocean and the land. He wiped the drool from his chin and said through his fat tongue, "That which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof!" Nothing in this book helped, he constantly questioned, and constantly countered everything I or the book had to say. And what's worse is that by the end of the book I didn't know if I believed anymore either. I would not recommend this book.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 30, 2012, 06:10:41 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2012, 05:49:24 PM
OK, even without reading this book I can see it's FAIL:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PAYcR-SzL._SL500_.jpg)

And this review on the Amazon page (http://www.amazon.com/Helping-retarded-know-God-handicapped/dp/B0006CAG4M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1338413305&sr=8-1) is FAIL, too, but the kid is win, win, WIN:

Something about that review screams "troll" but I can't be too sure.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2012, 06:36:17 PM
Quote from: D on May 30, 2012, 01:08:42 PM
I called it a false dichotomy that no taxes (even if the part of no taxes isn't even true) inherently means no property.
Not to mention completely wrong.  If you have no taxes, you have all your property, unmolested or unstolen by gov't by definition.  I mean, duh.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 30, 2012, 07:03:21 PM
Quote from: D on May 30, 2012, 06:10:41 PMSomething about that review screams "troll" but I can't be too sure.

I have an autistic son, and I can tell you it's much more plausible than it might sound!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2012, 07:50:18 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2012, 07:03:21 PM
I have an autistic son, and I can tell you it's much more plausible than it might sound!
I think D might have been referring to the Christian parent typing out their arguments worded the way an atheist would word them.  I don't recall ever seeing a Christian like that throw out our argument that weren't either completely twisted from the original, quote mined, etc.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2012, 07:56:31 PM
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Why Virgil0211 and Lord T Hawkeye are subbed to this guy is beyond me...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 30, 2012, 08:03:43 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 30, 2012, 07:56:31 PMWhy Virgil0211 and Lord T Hawkeye are subbed to this guy is beyond me...

Be thankful for small mercies: if he talked at a normal rate, the video would have been 8 minutes long!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2012, 08:08:57 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2012, 08:03:43 PM
Be thankful for small mercies: if he talked at a normal rate, the video would have been 8 minutes long!
Which would be 8 minutes longer than it needs to be.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 30, 2012, 08:29:36 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 30, 2012, 07:56:31 PM
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Why Virgil0211 and Lord T Hawkeye are subbed to this guy is beyond me...

oh God! I'm only 22--I don't deserve this!

so, has he ever answer the question: is he a gay Muslim pedo?  :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2012, 08:37:53 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 30, 2012, 08:29:36 PM
oh God! I'm only 22--I don't deserve this!

so, has he ever answer the question: is he a gay Muslim pedo?  :P
Not that I know of, no.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on May 30, 2012, 10:28:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2012, 08:03:43 PM
Be thankful for small mercies: if he talked at a normal rate, the video would have been 8 minutes long!

If he talked like Enthalpay it would have been 45 minutes long.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 31, 2012, 11:44:06 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2012, 07:03:21 PM
I have an autistic son, and I can tell you it's much more plausible than it might sound!

Well, the review talks about a teenager with Down Syndrome, which has quite different symptoms.  However, a child with lesser cognitive problems from Down Syndrome certainly could ask those sorts of infuriating questions if you try to teach them utter nonsense that conflicts with everything you've taught them (and that they instinctively know) about morality.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 31, 2012, 11:59:32 AM
Have a look at the empty prattle from the newly elected president of the largest government worker's union on the new government budget:

http://prairies.psac.com/winnipeg/federal-budget-2012 (http://prairies.psac.com/winnipeg/federal-budget-2012)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 31, 2012, 12:33:19 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 30, 2012, 07:56:31 PM
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Why Virgil0211 and Lord T Hawkeye are subbed to this guy is beyond me...

He occasionally puts out a video that amuses me, but I haven't checked my subs in a long time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 31, 2012, 02:25:39 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on May 31, 2012, 11:44:06 AMWell, the review talks about a teenager with Down Syndrome, which has quite different symptoms.  However, a child with lesser cognitive problems from Down Syndrome certainly could ask those sorts of infuriating questions if you try to teach them utter nonsense that conflicts with everything you've taught them (and that they instinctively know) about morality.

And one of the things they're finding out about Down Syndrome is that the sufferers aren't as unintelligent as they once thought. When the average person with Down Syndrome lived to age 9, that was probably understandable, but now that they're living to their 50s or more we're finding they're not really that different, and of course they have a continuum of intelligent to unintelligent people just like there is among the general population.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 31, 2012, 02:29:44 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on May 31, 2012, 11:59:32 AM
Have a look at the empty prattle from the newly elected president of the largest government worker's union on the new government budget:

http://prairies.psac.com/winnipeg/federal-budget-2012 (http://prairies.psac.com/winnipeg/federal-budget-2012)

Quote from: Robyn BensonThis government will cut seven per cent of the operating budget and more than 19,000 jobs, which will be devastating to Canadians and will seriously harm our economy.

Um, didn't Canada do this about 10 years ago? And wasn't the result the exact opposite of what Benson just said?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 31, 2012, 06:19:18 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 31, 2012, 02:29:44 PM
Um, didn't Canada do this about 10 years ago? And wasn't the result the exact opposite of what Benson just said?

Yes, until the politicos went straight back to spending like drunk teenagers.

These people are simply out of control.  They have the self restraint of a 3 year old.  They have build their entire lives around rejecting empericism.  And yet people babble on and on that these are the guys they want running their healthcare.  Pure insanity...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 31, 2012, 09:38:00 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-video-game-complaints-were-just-going-to-have-to-get-over/

2 and 3 are utter bogosity.  I don't see any car companies whining and crying for a cut on used car sales and the damage of piracy is horrifically overstated.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 31, 2012, 09:48:40 PM
QuoteFirst off, all of that talk about blocking used games is just unverified rumors for right now. There hasn't been a single reliable source for that information anywhere on the Internet or in press releases. Second, even if it turns out to be true, keep in mind that we bought video games in record numbers long before the used-game industry was even a thing, and we'll do it long after they've been vaporized by the laser monkeys that Sony and Microsoft release into the wild.

Read more: 4 Video Game Complaints We're Just Going to Have to Get Over | Cracked.com http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-video-game-complaints-were-just-going-to-have-to-get-over/#ixzz1wVBypdLK

which is why the used copy from my Brother of Napoleon: total war doesn't work on my computer.....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 31, 2012, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 31, 2012, 02:29:44 PM
Um, didn't Canada do this about 10 years ago? And wasn't the result the exact opposite of what Benson just said?

15-20, I think, but yes.  If anything, the cuts were done less intelligently, too.  There was a pretty uniform reduction, and when you have a bureaucracy uniformly reduce itself, the last thing it does is remove programs, it just reduces services on all of them while keeping as many administrators as possible.  We ended up with programs that weren't capable of doing anything any more because all the people who had done the actual work were laid off, but all their bosses were still there.

I would have liked to put a link to Benson's interview on CBC Radio One about the budget, but I couldn't find one.  It had such gems as "Some of those programs are over a hundred years old!"  When did a program not solving the problem for a very long time make the program valuable?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2012, 11:46:24 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on May 31, 2012, 10:41:10 PM
15-20, I think, but yes.  If anything, the cuts were done less intelligently, too.  There was a pretty uniform reduction, and when you have a bureaucracy uniformly reduce itself, the last thing it does is remove programs, it just reduces services on all of them while keeping as many administrators as possible.  We ended up with programs that weren't capable of doing anything any more because all the people who had done the actual work were laid off, but all their bosses were still there.

I would have liked to put a link to Benson's interview on CBC Radio One about the budget, but I couldn't find one.  It had such gems as "Some of those programs are over a hundred years old!"  When did a program not solving the problem for a very long time make the program valuable?
That last bit is a fav quote!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 01, 2012, 09:11:41 AM
Quote from: D on May 30, 2012, 10:16:40 AM
(http://i49.tinypic.com/345236a.jpg)


Also adding this, which was said in the conversation above:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/300fi14.jpg)

Just an update on this.

My older brother is now dodging me because he can't handle the fact that taxation is theft.

He probably took it to heart because he works at a public school and gets paid by stolen money.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 01, 2012, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 29, 2012, 12:47:56 PM
Biggest economic fail EVER!

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Wow...I basically just got him to admit that he thinks destroying jobs and slashing wages is a GOOD thing! And he calls Libertarians heartless!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 01, 2012, 12:34:20 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 01, 2012, 11:18:45 AM
Wow...I basically just got him to admit that he thinks destroying jobs and slashing wages is a GOOD thing! And he calls Libertarians heartless!

Maybe that's why he delisted it and  blocked embedding.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 01, 2012, 02:11:32 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on June 01, 2012, 12:34:20 PM
Maybe that's why he delisted it and blocked embedding.

And just when I thought he couldn't be even more of a fucking coward...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 01, 2012, 02:28:34 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 29, 2012, 04:50:07 PMoh, and why would a company maximize surplus? I mean, the guy knows what surplus is, right? or is he really as retarded as I fear? is he seriously implying that "monopolies" produce shit for the lulz?

And it looks like I was being more generous to enthalpay on this subject than he deserved.  It turns out, based on some of his comments and Shane's replies back that he might actually have been referring to that.  Hell, even said to Shane in a comment, "So you admit that firms in a free market under-produce?"
Major unbelievable economics fail.

EDIT:

This was the quote I was thinking of: 
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2012, 08:08:50 AM
And the FAIL just keeps on coming:
Quote from: enthalpaythe supply curve is based on costs and that the equilibrium is not the point of intersection in a monopoly...It is above the point where the graphs intersect. It DOES create a surplus.
Yeah, that's why electrical monopolies generate more energy than they can sell...that's why DeBeers puts more diamonds on the market than they can sell...geez! I don't think I've ever seen a statist this deluded before.

Kudos to Shane for posting it here.

To answer your question, Ibrahim90, I guess he really is as fucktarded as you feared.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 01, 2012, 03:09:31 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 01, 2012, 02:11:32 PM
And just when I thought he couldn't be even more of a fucking coward...

Of course he could be, and he still CAN be a bigger coward.  He could actually DELETE Shane's corrections, or delete the video entirely.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 01, 2012, 03:18:18 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on June 01, 2012, 03:09:31 PM
Of course he could be, and he still CAN be a bigger coward.  He could actually DELETE Shane's corrections, or delete the video entirely.
Or even worse, just disable both comments and rating entirely and start filing false DMCAs.  At which point he would be a true creationist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 04, 2012, 12:07:32 AM
talk about missing the point:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 04, 2012, 12:07:32 AM
talk about missing the point:

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And this, boys and girls, is why I don't sub to Coughlan.  I was going to ask Hawkeye why he thinks the dude is whiny...but, good 'ol Coughlan answered the question for me in this video.

As for the video itself, where would I even begin?
If anything, I'd have to remark that by saying that him (Liberal; lives in the UK where gimme gimme gimme is the order of the fucking day) bitching about people being greedy/whiny was pot calling the bleached porcelain stove black.  If he really feels that way about the starving people, why doesn't *HE* do something about it?  Sell your computer and webcam or whatever, etc and donate the money to those people to buy food.  What a hypocrite.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 04, 2012, 02:01:36 AM
I think the problem with this ban is that it shows how use-, and in the end, powerless it is.
It wont cause people to live more healthier because people will buy just as much, or more since you think you're buying less, in smaller doses, or those handy 2.5l bottles of Faygo, which by the way is an alien invention. The Faygo, not the 2.5l bottles.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 04, 2012, 07:47:23 AM
(http://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/562256_418788941466664_416130568399168_1605025_192106601_n.jpg)

Because it's always proper to compare a minimum with an average...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 04, 2012, 08:52:23 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 04, 2012, 07:47:23 AM
(http://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/562256_418788941466664_416130568399168_1605025_192106601_n.jpg)

Because it's always proper to compare a minimum with an average...

The average rent on WHAT, exactly?  That looks like the rent on a HOUSE, at least where I live.  You can get a rather nice apartment in Ottawa for rather less than that.  I pay MUCH less than that, but the downside is I live about 30 minutes from the edge of the city itself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 04, 2012, 12:40:26 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 04, 2012, 07:47:23 AM
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Because it's always proper to compare a minimum with an average...

Has this person NEVER heard of roommates?  If you're trying to live in a house by yourself on minimum wage, you are doing something wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 04, 2012, 05:12:08 PM
This guy (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1173942&postcount=167)

QuoteThis is my ideals about hell:

After living my short 20 years on Earth, I've seen murder, Rape, Wars, Children Beaten with no remorse, Family members die, Taliban Be-headings, animal cruelty, etc... After seeing such things, you get this rage. Rage that some of these people WILL get away with these crimes. I'm not talking about petty drug smuggling or prostitution. Im talking about, crimes against all creations. With me knowing this, I have to believe there is a hell. I pray(Don't know to whom) that these people burn! Not just burn, but feel complete anguish forever. When someone makes these crimes, rotting in prison is too kind. In my mind, it doesn't matter if you believe in God or Jesus or Hell or Allah or whoever your religion wants you to believe, there is a place after this world. I refuse to believe that my life is meaningless. Yeah, I could create the next greatest thing. But what does it mean? It means nothing if there isn't anything after this. I met too many people, loved too much, lost too many to only mean absolute nothing. There is nothing ANYONE can tell me that will make me change my mind. NOTHING. I don't have a set religion that I believe in(I think its all nonsense) but I do believe in the after life.

I'm going to end this off with this: I recently watched a short interview with Steve Harvey. He said(Rough translation) if you don't believe in the afterlife or have a religious backing, you have no values. What he meant by this was, if you discredit all religion or chance there is an afterlife, what keeps you from doing wrong. Think about it. Religion makes cheating on spouse wrong. Religion makes killing evil. Without these values, what ethical backing do you have? Don't say, "I don't need religion to know killing is wrong. I know it's wrong." Then I'll say,"Why is it wrong. If there isn't anything after this. If all this means absolutely nothing at the end, why does killing/stealing/raping mean ANYTHING?" Seriously, think about it.

This argument needs to be taken out back and shot Old Yeller style.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 06, 2012, 10:14:06 AM
Everything said by Satyr1966 here: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=pBavo8IIVCM
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 06, 2012, 01:13:45 PM
This guy's attempt at sarcasm (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1175715&postcount=4)

QuoteCause we all know that school boards are the TRUE bastions of power in America!

Damn those unions & their oppression of the American people!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 06, 2012, 02:40:25 PM
Yeah, poor teacher's union, lost all their power and left with nothing...except their ability to stuff the school board with their members...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 06, 2012, 02:48:47 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 06, 2012, 02:40:25 PM
Yeah, poor teacher's union, lost all their power and left with nothing...except their ability to stuff the school board with their members...

That's what he's being sarcastic about. Apparently he thinks school boards have no real power.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 06, 2012, 02:57:49 PM
Quote from: D on June 06, 2012, 02:48:47 PM
That's what he's being sarcastic about. Apparently he thinks school boards have no real power.

Ah, violating my copyrights again? Tsk, tsk...

If school boards have no real power, then what's the big deal about whether or not teachers can collectively bargain with them?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 06, 2012, 03:18:44 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 06, 2012, 02:57:49 PM
Ah, violating my copyrights again? Tsk, tsk...

If school boards have no real power, then what's the big deal about whether or not teachers can collectively bargain with them?

What can I say, I'm a fact pirate. I steal facts and use them for my own purposes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 06, 2012, 03:35:17 PM
Quote from: D on June 06, 2012, 03:18:44 PMWhat can I say, I'm a fact pirate. I steal facts and use them for my own purposes.

Geez, where would humanity be if EVERYONE did that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 06, 2012, 06:10:02 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 06, 2012, 03:35:17 PM
Geez, where would humanity be if EVERYONE did that?

With colonies about 50 lys out, I think.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 07, 2012, 10:02:15 AM
What the hell Ryan? What the hell?

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QuoteWhite people want to have stupid amounts of empathy, want to listen to teacher, university and experts, fine. The world is hard, you want to be stupid and NOT RACIST, not vote for the BNP because they're RACIST, fall for the latest intellectual fad and decontextualized history and ethnomasocism. Fine. I'm going to stop caring. It's an impossible task on my part. Be like south africa. Be like detroit and baltimore. Have fun. It's what you wanted. You'll figure it out when it's long past too late.

Have car, house, boat and whatever other baubles you want to waste yourself on. Focus on being NOT RACIST to advance your forgettable career.

If I can't control it, I'm not going to care about it. You want to be empathetic, fine. I'll laugh when the bears eat you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 07, 2012, 10:31:54 AM
Funny, I've never had to "focus on being NOT RACIST." I just judge people based on their individual merits. Nothing else makes any sense to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 07, 2012, 10:51:11 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 07, 2012, 10:31:54 AM
Funny, I've never had to "focus on being NOT RACIST." I just judge people based on their individual merits. Nothing else makes any sense to me.

The comments aren't much better.

Quote from: platonicdiscourseit was the holocaust that did this to us - it was too horrifyingly over the top, it laid the foundation for idiot hippy philosophies based on 'zero discrimination' and total relativism, which is championed every generation by gangs of dreadlocked university grads. We need to reclaim the harsh realities of life, that no person or idea is the equal of another, and all must fight to survive. Like roman emperors decrying luxury and hunting for sport, we need to embrace harsh realities and truth
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 07, 2012, 12:44:48 PM
Enthalpay is still at it in the comments of this major fail of a video: [yt]LKEcsAx8h7k[/yt]

(Him directed at Shane):  "Way to reject empirical evidence. The government ALREADY does this successfully! This is not all hypothetical."
Do I even NEED to point out the projection and hypocrisy (and serious lack of citations) in this one?

(Him directed at me after telling Shane the stuff Shane is informing him of is material I learned in basic macro and micro economics): "Where did you study economics?"
I'm sorry, but if this *isn't* a loaded question, I'll eat my damn shorts.  Second, who the fuck cares?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 07, 2012, 07:20:11 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 07, 2012, 10:31:54 AM
Funny, I've never had to "focus on being NOT RACIST." I just judge people based on their individual merits. Nothing else makes any sense to me.

Amen to that.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 07, 2012, 07:38:37 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 07, 2012, 07:20:11 PMAmen to that.

Thirded.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 08, 2012, 09:27:13 AM
"Jail is the best kind of rehab." - That douchebag wife of Dog the Bounty Hunter

Thankfully this stupid show is ending soon. Now if only the War on Drugs would end so these fuckers wouldn't have a job anymore.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2012, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: D on June 08, 2012, 09:27:13 AM
"Jail is the best kind of rehab." - That douchebag wife of Dog the Bounty Hunter

Thankfully this stupid show is ending soon. Now if only the War on Drugs would end so these fuckers wouldn't have a job anymore.
Reminds me of a post from someone on LTH's DA account:  There should only be laws against 5 types of behavior:  murder, rape, theft, fraud, assault (stuff like that).  That those are the real crimes.
To which LTH made fun of the police by saying what he imagined they really think (not a fail):  "But those people are dangerous; we might get hurt if we only go after them! ;_;"
I'd say that applies to Dog and his fucktarded family as well.

Also, she *is* aware that people have far easier access to drugs in jail than out, right?  Jail is the best rehab like McDonald's is the best diet.

edit:  fixed typo
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 08, 2012, 03:09:35 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 08, 2012, 01:07:04 PM
Reminds me of a post from someone on LTH's DA account:  There should only be laws against 5 types of behavior:  murder, rape, theft, fraud, assault (stuff like that).  That those are the real crimes.
To which LTH made of the police by saying what he imagined they really think (not a fail):  "But those people are dangerous; we might get hurt if we only go after them! ;_;"
I'd say that applies to Dog and his fucktarded family as well.

Also, she *is* aware that people have far easier access to drugs in jail than out, right?  Jail is the best rehab like McDonald's is the best diet.

which means Dog is a coward, Police are generally cowards, and we're all doomed...

well, Choomed anyways. Obama's president.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2012, 03:16:13 PM
http://world.std.com/~mhuben/libindex.html
Also, there is good news.  Encyclopedia Dramatica is back up:  http://encyclopediadramatica.se/Libertarianism

As Morrakiu would probably say regarding the content of both URLs:  We (libertarians, anarcho capitalists, and free marketers in general) must have made someone incredibly butt-hurt.  ;D

EDIT:  I just did a Google search for the ".se" domain.  ED seems to have moved to a server hosted in Sweden or something.  Interesting.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 08, 2012, 03:27:50 PM
It would be nice if Huben would at least once in a while fix his strawman arguments or incorrect data in response to the corrections Libertarians have given him over something like 15 years...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2012, 03:30:47 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 08, 2012, 03:27:50 PM
It would be nice if Huben would at least once in a while fix his strawman arguments or incorrect data in response to the corrections Libertarians have given him over something like 15 years...

IIRC, his website has been posted here before.  In fact, that was what got me to post his entire website in fail quotes.
That's why we call them "dogmatists", and members of the "Cult of the Omnipotent State."

EDIT:  The worst part of his site?  This little gem:

"Established 10/25/94.
Last updated 09/26/11."

So he updates it fairly regularly while leaving out the corrections.  Oh, Mike, that's so state cultist of you. ^_^
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2012, 05:35:21 PM
More from enthalpay, specifically from the comments of this video:

[yt]pWCQlzzFqoc[/yt]

(Shane's comment is in blue, mine in green, with the failure being in red as always.)

Shane:  "Another question: if Keynesian economics is good science but Austrian economics isn't, then how come Keynesian theory fails in its predictions time and time again: jDOTmp/JRXIrt
While Austrian theory succeeds in its predictions: jDOTmp/JRXyAr
Isn't making successful predictions the hallmark of good science?"

enthalpay:  "Way in which Austrians act like creationists number 5: Cherry picking. I could just as easily provide you with successful predictions by mainstream economists and failed predictions by Austrians!"

Me: "Go on."

enthalpay: "See Peter Schiff's failed prediction of high inflation over the period 2009 - 2012.
watch?v=3Y1NR4b71j0 - Again it's cherry picking, but that's the point!
There's a reason why the New Keynesian school is the dominant school of macroeconomic thought in academia, you know.
Look at the great liquidity trap we have in Europe as an example."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2012, 08:49:05 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 08, 2012, 03:16:13 PM
http://world.std.com/~mhuben/libindex.html
Also, there is good news.  Encyclopedia Dramatica is back up:  http://encyclopediadramatica.se/Libertarianism

As Morrakiu would probably say regarding the content of both URLs:  We (libertarians, anarcho capitalists, and free marketers in general) must have made someone incredibly butt-hurt.  ;D

EDIT:  I just did a Google search for the ".se" domain.  ED seems to have moved to a server hosted in Sweden or something.  Interesting.

Aaaand, speaking of butt-hurt, I'd say this is a fail as well: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

Especially their pages on Libertarianism, Free Markets, economics, Crank (beliefs)* etc.
*includes Libertarianism and groups it along with global warming denialism, creationism, etc.

Really, that site is basically just a liberal-douche version of Encyclopedia Dramatica.  Hell, at least ED has the decency to be honest about their intentions (satire, documentation of ze lulz & internet culture + memes, shock humor, etc) and don't pretend to be uber rational.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 09, 2012, 02:49:23 AM
I think you ment Conservapedia.
Also the only page on ED that actually had a positive overtone, that I found, was James Randi's.
So yeah, he is magic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 09, 2012, 08:03:25 AM
No, RationalWiki's about as bad as Conservapedia. Even when they reach the right conclusion they get there fallaciously, and it's so smug and condescending it'd never convince the fence-sitters.

I'd still like to know how they managed to take over (and subsequently destroy) the Skeptic Wiki.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 09, 2012, 08:52:02 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 09, 2012, 08:03:25 AM
I'd still like to know how they managed to take over (and subsequently destroy) the Skeptic Wiki.


because Liberals claim to be sophisticated (something about college education makes you more liberal), and people are appealed to by even pretension of sophistication, which in turn means that greater herds of Liberals exist compared to Libertarians. thus in any environment, the sheer numbers may trump better design.

at least, that's the Arab in me looking at this question.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 10, 2012, 06:34:35 AM
[yt]ERI52UndhE4[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 10, 2012, 04:38:27 PM
From BlameThe1st on DA:

http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/art/Fetus-Vs-Turd-293997343

http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/art/Ron-Paul-Hate-254794561 (The "Illegal Immigration" one along with the others le fail)

The above in mind:

(http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/092/9/1/profile_picture_by_blamethe1st-d4urvpa.png)

Nope, sorry, but you are NOT anti-state.  If you were an anti-statist, you'd be an anarchist by definition, which you clearly aren't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 10, 2012, 06:53:29 PM
In the comments of Shane's latest video (not fail):

[yt]AEkONvb5ReA[/yt]

I posted the following (not fail):  Geez, Shane, we've got folks like bamboo in the comments saying you're crazy just for even suggesting we lower taxes.
They'd shit if they heard what folks like me, Hawkeye, etc want:  to abolish ALL taxation and abolish ALL government spendin[g].

To which bamboo4tameshigiri replied with (le fail): If you want mad max world, I'm OK with that. I would thrive. If you want a society that makes your gluttonous wealth possible, OTOH...

Translation of bamboo's comment:  1.  The sky would fall without God Gov't.  2.  But *I*, as an internet tough guy would be fine, you on the other hand, would be dead meat even though I have never met you and have no clue who you are, or what you are capable of, and should be grateful my glorious, honorable and infallible cult leaders give you vast wealth by robbing you of yours; you ungrateful gluttonous bastard .
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 10, 2012, 08:42:55 PM
From the same video's comment section:

"America has Waaay less crime than European countries and its BECAUSE they incarcerate more criminals. Look up "clearance rate" and stop spreading this lie that we can judge the amount of crime by the number of people in jail." --interstate317

(Boldface for emphasis added by me.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 11, 2012, 08:36:01 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 10, 2012, 08:42:55 PM
From the same video's comment section:

"America has Waaay less crime than European countries and its BECAUSE they incarcerate more criminals. Look up "clearance rate" and stop spreading this lie that we can judge the amount of crime by the number of people in jail." --interstate317

(Boldface for emphasis added by me.)

Good lord....

Every sane person knows that criminals , broadly speaking, fall into two categories as far as deterrence goes:  Those than can be deterred (usually because they're making a calculated decision to commit the crime) and those that cannot be deterred (because they are NOT making a calculated decision to commit the crime, because they're crazy, or very stupid, or ignorant, or desperate, or similar problems).  What deters the deter-able is not primarily the severity of punishment, but the likelihood of punishment.  A 75% chance of getting 5 years in prison is usually a much better deterrent than a 0.01% chance of being executed.  (For an example of this, Egypt is a good example.  At one point, penalties for drug offenses were made so severe that the police were unwilling to enforce the laws.  The perception of risk, even though it was effectively absent, drove the prices very high, which naturally encouraged more drugs to be brought in and distributed by more people, resulting in drugs being much more prevalent than before.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 12, 2012, 10:38:08 AM
[yt]ta7kLhnx_Uc[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 13, 2012, 07:38:59 AM
Quote from: D on June 12, 2012, 10:38:08 AM
[yt]ta7kLhnx_Uc[/yt]

You have done badly when I can own your argument with one of these:

[yt]Ib8oyJv5BAI&[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 13, 2012, 07:50:45 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on June 13, 2012, 07:38:59 AM
You have done badly when I can own your argument with one of these:

[yt]Ib8oyJv5BAI&[/yt]

Nice! But come next podcast I'll be doing it with SCIENCE! (ience...ience...ience...ience...)

(And you all thought Rand Paul was a shoo-in for Idiot Extraordinaire...)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 13, 2012, 08:55:53 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 13, 2012, 07:50:45 AM
(And you all thought Rand Paul was a shoo-in for Idiot Extraordinaire...)

Actually I thought Obama was, what with his campaign plans of claiming Romney was an "extreme libertarian."

This ought to be good though.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 13, 2012, 09:03:41 AM
Quote from: D on June 13, 2012, 08:55:53 AMActually I thought Obama was, what with his campaign plans of claiming Romney was an "extreme libertarian."

Nah, he would have been BBE, but Krugman beat him...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 13, 2012, 09:10:10 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 13, 2012, 09:03:41 AM
Nah, he would have been BBE, but Krugman beat him...

Yeah, that would make sense considering Krugman decided basic concepts of time are meaningless.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 13, 2012, 01:33:17 PM
This (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/opinion/brooks-the-follower-problem.html?_r=3&ref=opinion)

An excerpt:
Quote"[America] certainly has a followership problem...Vast majorities of Americans don't trust their institutions...It's mostly because more people are cynical and like to pretend that they are better than everything else around them...To have good leaders you have to have good followers — able to recognize just authority, admire it, be grateful for it and emulate it."

Oh boy....you can smell the statism juice all over this guy's face.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 13, 2012, 09:38:42 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on June 13, 2012, 07:38:59 AM
You have done badly when I can own your argument with one of these:

[yt]Ib8oyJv5BAI&[/yt]
W00t!  Dilbert ftw! ^_^
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on June 14, 2012, 06:07:51 AM
This video by a race surrealist, young earth creationist, Keynesian, Mitt Romney supporter. Hard to believe you can fit that much crazy into one vessel.

[yt]G3iQ-0il_CE&list=UUd02UHpo2oXexD3sJCzkGEQ[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 15, 2012, 10:32:11 PM
[yt]m1G_SSXLOfM[/yt]

He's actually comparing people who are absolutely furious with Rand Paul's endorsement of Romney and calling him a sellout with jingoistic morons who blindly believe the terrorists just hate us for our freedom.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 16, 2012, 08:00:47 AM
MGK is back, trying to say that I advocated more government spending in my "Should We Tax the Rich More" video and that I'm being inconsistent: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=AEkONvb5ReA

QuoteFunny because in the video "Should We Tax the Rich More?" you have said the exact oposite about spending. Back then you called everyone else with a different view stupid. Now that you have the exact oposite view that you did back then you call everyone else with a different opinion from you stupid. So who is right? Your past self or your current self? Are you stupid now or were you stupid back then?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 16, 2012, 12:55:37 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 16, 2012, 08:00:47 AM
MGK is back, trying to say that I advocated more government spending in my "Should We Tax the Rich More" video and that I'm being inconsistent: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=AEkONvb5ReA

*Sees the name MGK and thinks migkillertwo, and goes into the comments to check.  Sees it's MasterGhostKnight*
Bloody fucking hell!  Not that proven liar and nutbar again!  You would think he'd give up his little grudge after, what?  2 or 3 years now?  Good grief.  We must have made him and his cliche' at the misnamed "LeagueofReason" forum really fucking butthurt.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 16, 2012, 01:01:16 PM
Remember the times where he claimed seeing the colour green from space ment there is plant life present, ignoring all other possible sources for the green colouration? And then when Shane told him that a lot of stuff is actually green he made a video consisting of screenshots and captures of this forum with pretty much no commentary simply titeling the vid "Political Crackpot".
Yep, those were the good times.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 16, 2012, 01:03:58 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on June 16, 2012, 01:01:16 PM
Remember the times where he claimed seeing the colour green from space ment there is plant life present, ignoring all other possible sources for the green colouration? And then when Shane told him that a lot of stuff is actually green he made a video consisting of screenshots and captures of this forum with pretty much no commentary simply titeling the vid "Political Crackpot".
Yep, those were the good times.

Yeah, I remember.
I also remember how he said that profits = revenue (despite being correct multiple times) and that a person's value is not just from their job (again, despite being corrected multiple times AND having the issue explained to him by multiple people from many different angles), and him accusing me being a sockpuppet of Shane's (while being unable to prove this and just asserting it).
I could go on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 16, 2012, 06:25:15 PM
Every single comment by MasterGhostKnight on this video:

[yt]AEkONvb5ReA[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 16, 2012, 06:55:38 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 16, 2012, 06:25:15 PM
Every single comment by MasterGhostKnight on this video:

[yt]AEkONvb5ReA[/yt]

I would just like to take this opportunity to say that the fact that MGK can still come and comment on my videos should stand as an absolute refutation of the accusation that I block everyone who disagrees with me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 16, 2012, 09:23:55 PM
MGK must be the most stupid person I have ever had the misfortune seeing.
And I actually looked in a mirror once.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on June 16, 2012, 09:55:06 PM
Master Ghost Knight and his denial of the definition of telescope kind of reminds me of the 7 second abs guy from There's Something About Mary.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 17, 2012, 01:59:52 AM
Quote from: Goaticus on June 16, 2012, 09:55:06 PM
Master Ghost Knight and his denial of the definition of telescope kind of reminds me of the 7 second abs guy from There's Something About Mary.

huh? how do you deny that kind of thing? so what, Cameras and video recorders also have no definition? they work in part the same way though.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 17, 2012, 07:07:55 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 17, 2012, 01:59:52 AM
huh? how do you deny that kind of thing? so what, Cameras and video recorders also have no definition? they work in part the same way though.

He claims that synthetic aperture arrays aren't telescopes. He also says that synthetic aperture equipment does synthetic imaging.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 17, 2012, 08:56:06 AM
Oh this one is good. This one is real good.

This guy (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1182123&postcount=25)

QuoteIf one believes that taxation for the purposes of healthcare for the destitute is useless or immoral, then I will submit that the person has no place in modern society.


I'm adding this (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1182148&postcount=30) too:

Quote from: Darkbane77Can you even imagine the wealth* of technology & expensive medicine these sorts of hospitals would have?

I can. Terrible comparison, considering how far medical care has come since these sort of hospitals were in operation.

*sarcasm
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 17, 2012, 08:35:26 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 17, 2012, 07:07:55 AM
He claims that synthetic aperture arrays aren't telescopes. He also says that synthetic aperture equipment does synthetic imaging.

???

is this guy on drugs?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 18, 2012, 09:08:39 AM
Most of the comments on this post (the post itself is a WIN, as are comments in support of it): http://theredda.com/2012/06/17/tam-sexual-harassment-issue-solved-26/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 18, 2012, 10:16:56 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 17, 2012, 08:35:26 PM
???

is this guy on drugs?

Hard to say, actually.  He has a thick Slavic accent, so most native English speakers would be hard pressed to tell if he's slurring his words strangely or anything like that.

He IS phenomenally ignorant, and seems to be rather stupid as well (unlike people like Malcolm Bowden who seem to be quite intelligent, but completely delusional).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 18, 2012, 11:06:52 AM
In rough descending order of severity:
http://www.cracked.com/article_19433_the-6-most-horrifying-lies-food-industry-feeding-you.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_19896_the-6-creepiest-lies-food-industry-feeding-you.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_15982_5-horrifying-food-additives-youve-probably-eaten-today.html

Hawkeye said it best:  If someone commits a crime (fraud in this case), and isn't punished and/or made to restitution the victims, whose fault is that?  Who monopolizes the courts and police, and inspection/health agencies, etc? (Hint:  Not the free market).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 18, 2012, 01:11:21 PM
I've had a lot of conversations like this one:

Obamaton: ObamaCare is a proven success!

Libertarian: What about [problem with ObamaCare]?

Obamaton: Well, ObamaCare doesn't fully take effect until 2014.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 18, 2012, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 18, 2012, 01:11:21 PM
I've had a lot of conversations like this one:

Obamaton: ObamaCare is a proven success!

Libertarian: What about [problem with ObamaCare]?

Obamaton: Well, ObamaCare doesn't fully take effect until 2014.

Like the one with ymkamara420 in the comments of your video titled, "Why Haven't We Recovered Yet? (How the Keynesians Got It Wrong Yet Again)"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 18, 2012, 02:17:22 PM
Speaking of conversations, this one's an oldie from my conservative former friend (yes, the same one I made the thread about here (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=177), here (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=202) and here (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=890)

"I guess, but Libertarian is just so irrelevant." --The same guy speaking about Libertarianism (and even if it does work; or whatever--it was long ago, and I can't remember the exact details).

I'm surprised I didn't post that sooner.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 18, 2012, 06:47:38 PM
This (http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/06/17/Phew-Greeks-Vote-to-Keep-Euro-Pay-Their-Debts.aspx)

They seriously put "phew" in the title. You know, because doing the same thing that got them into this mess is just a total relief amiriteguize?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 18, 2012, 10:04:26 PM
"I point a gun to your head and say 'do 500 jumping jacks, or i'll blow you away.' You are then faced with a choice: do the jumping jacks, or risk taking the bullet. Let me repeat: a choice. You do not have to choose life. You can choose the bullet. Seems like consent to me. Saying this is not consent implies that I have some obligation not to kill you. I don't, therefore you consented to the jumping jacks." --wildabeast11235 in the comments of this video:

[yt]cF2359mSCzk[/yt]

I showed it to D before posting it here.  Here was D's response to that (not fail):

"....
that's not fail quotes...that's "I better call 911"
because that's a sociopath"

EDIT:  While it might be true that he's being sarcastic, I doubt it given the only other videos I found in his activity were either music videos (generic and tells me bugger all) and a favoring of one of FE's race realist videos...yeah, not very comforting.  And it doesn't help that I've seen people make arguments like this--and mean it too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 18, 2012, 10:53:03 PM
ShaneSaw83:  "Are you serious? Your view of Nazi Germany is so mind-bogglingly stupid, I'm stunned. Hitler only lost because tiny little Germany was fighting us, England and Russia simultaneously. And they were such a devastatingly adept military, that they killed 3 men for every 2 they lost. Hitler wouldn't have stopped; you'd be speaking German right now. Actually, I think you're brown-skinned--so you wouldn't even exist if not for the brave men that died fighting--you foolish, ungrateful SOB."

Don't know why I didn't post this one from that other thread sooner.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 18, 2012, 10:57:49 PM
http://www.askstudent.com/funny/summary-of-99-of-the-people-you-will-meet-in-college/

Somebody was in a pissy mood when they wrote this.  Then again it did originate from the somethingawful forums.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 20, 2012, 12:17:42 AM
Oh the numerous logical fallacies contained in this one image:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/547202_485150741510442_1815773166_n.jpg)

How many can YOU spot? I'll just demonstrate one:

"If there's no God, then how come people give billions of dollars a year to churches?"

"If homeopathy doesn't work, then how come people spend billions of dollars a year on homeopathic remedies?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 20, 2012, 01:01:18 AM
http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/art/Religion-An-Atheist-Scapegoat-188034549

I haven't read it, but just from the title, I can tell this is going to be a fail...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 20, 2012, 08:29:46 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 20, 2012, 01:01:18 AM
http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/art/Religion-An-Atheist-Scapegoat-188034549

I haven't read it, but just from the title, I can tell this is going to be a fail...

Actually not really.  He makes a good point in it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 20, 2012, 08:55:49 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on June 20, 2012, 08:29:46 AM
Actually not really.  He makes a good point in it.

He does, but it's laced with fail, like the good done by religion (Salvation Army, AA, etc.) without considering that there's just as much good done secularly (MSF, Secular Sobriety, etc.). What's harder to find is Crusades-esque atrocities committed by secularists (and no, the Communists don't count since Communism WAS their religion).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on June 20, 2012, 09:59:43 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 20, 2012, 12:17:42 AM
Oh the numerous logical fallacies contained in this one image:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/547202_485150741510442_1815773166_n.jpg)

How many can YOU spot? I'll just demonstrate one:

"If there's no God, then how come people give billions of dollars a year to churches?"

"If homeopathy doesn't work, then how come people spend billions of dollars a year on homeopathic remedies?"

Not to mention, I'd love to see their source on that. As far as I can recall, the Koch brothers are still on the board of trustees for the reason foundation, which has been anything but kind to Romney, even suggesting that an Obama win would be preferable if Romney wins the Repub nomination.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 20, 2012, 11:22:41 AM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on June 20, 2012, 09:59:43 AM
Not to mention, I'd love to see their source on that. As far as I can recall, the Koch brothers are still on the board of trustees for the reason foundation, which has been anything but kind to Romney, even suggesting that an Obama win would be preferable if Romney wins the Repub nomination.

They are on the Reason Foundation, but I think over the years the Koch's have crept farther and farther to the right on things like foreign policy and social issues. That is why there is such a huge fight over them potentially taking full control of CATO.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 20, 2012, 11:23:40 AM
Posted a Stefan Molyneux video on the Occupy Jacksonville facebook group. Was actually having some calm civil discussion when this one asshole posted this

"I see all of these quote/unquote "libertarians" running around speaking little of liberty and even less of freedom. They complain of fascism when everything they do resembles the very thing they complain about. But here's the thing, their "libertarianism" is really "libertinism" mixed with sociopathy and narcissism, none of which anyone on the planet could pull off with any remarkable success. This new condition prevalent among multitude of 3rd raters in America calls for a new word - a new name. Any ideas?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 20, 2012, 11:38:35 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/283701_372362896150876_179202191_n.jpg)

Let's not laugh too hard gentlemen.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on June 20, 2012, 06:58:57 PM
Failure from Objectivist quarters.

QuoteOne votes fot the person whose election will most improve--or least destroy, one's life. Voting for someone who cannot win does neither of these. I am an Objectivist, not a Libertarian, and this issue clarifies the distinction nicely. An Objectivist believes that the standard of value is human life--more specifically his own life and acts accordingly. An Objectivist will recognize legitimate cause for government. Liberty is seen as a DERIVATIVE of the standard, life. Libertarians, by contrast, value Liberty as their standard and find life to be the derivative. So, they will vote for Liberty even as it destroys their lives.

I rip him a new one based on the fact that Ayn Rand didn't vote in numerous elections and make fun of their life qua man non-argument and how John Galt threatened to commit suicide many times in Atlas Shrugged if he had to choose the lesser of two evils.

His next volley of fail.

QuoteCongrats--I didn't vote for almost 40 years; I haven't seen a candidate until the recent increase in citizen-politicians that remotely came close to having more virtues than flaws. There is a climate now that should make the Republican nominee "better" than he might otherwise be in another time. And yes, Romney has more virtues than flaws--many of which he earns by default by not being Obama.

Yes, he's voting exactly two times in 40 years, once for Nixon's second term and once for Romney. I'm however a nihilist for not supporting the lesser of two evils a status I still maintain Romney has not earned.

Next bit of fail.

Quote‎"No virtues." Congrats. You have described an inability to distinguish Romney from Charles Manson.

No actual virtues mentioned except not being Obama. A virtue that I maintained Manson shares and Manson didn't start Romneycare. Something that makes it impossible to argue against Obamacare.

What followed next was a lot of "collectivist", "nihilist", "sense of life" crap.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on June 20, 2012, 11:44:14 PM
From youtube user freethinkerFTW "If you had taken Economics in college you'd know Milton Friedman is a Keynesian".

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 21, 2012, 06:49:39 AM
Quote from: Goaticus on June 20, 2012, 11:44:14 PMFrom youtube user freethinkerFTW "If you had taken Economics in college you'd know Milton Friedman is a Keynesian".

Wow, a Chicago-school Monetarist is a Keynesians. What video did he say that on?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on June 21, 2012, 08:36:31 AM
 
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 21, 2012, 06:49:39 AM
Wow, a Chicago-school Monetarist is a Keynesians. What video did he say that on?

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Oh yeah, and he claims to have a degree in Economics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 24, 2012, 09:32:14 PM
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I probably wouldn't take this one as seriously if I hadn't shown this to my mom years ago, and she said it was the 'sad truth'.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 25, 2012, 04:40:41 PM
Conspiratardation is a stupid thing.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 25, 2012, 05:33:21 PM
My cousin Jimmy strikes again!

He posted this piece of fail in regards to this picture:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/252730_3953579234055_678410009_n.jpg)

QuoteKilling someone "can" ruin your life. So if I catch you killing someone, I'm sending you to jail and ruining your life. Silly poster considering all the programs that are set up to help drug addicts and the many that are mandated through the court system that sometimes take the place of a prison sentence. Not to mention that less than a certain amount of marijuana is an infraction in many places these days.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on June 25, 2012, 06:49:26 PM
QuoteNot to mention that less than a certain amount of marijuana is an infraction in many places these days.

Not to mention other peoples drug use are none of his business in any place on any day.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 25, 2012, 08:20:25 PM
Quote from: D on June 25, 2012, 05:33:21 PM
My cousin Jimmy strikes again!
Um, he doesn't get that killing ruins SOMEONE ELSE'S life?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 25, 2012, 08:28:17 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 25, 2012, 08:20:25 PM
Um, he doesn't get that killing ruins SOMEONE ELSE'S life?

I'm sure he gets it. He's just making a shitty comparison.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 26, 2012, 11:29:13 AM
Change.org fail:

Petition to have a woman moderator at the US Presidential debates has over 112,000 signatures: http://www.change.org/petitions/it-s-time-for-a-woman-moderator-equality-in-the-2012-presidential-debates

Petition to get rid of the ridiculous polling requirement and allow third party candidates only has 20: http://www.change.org/petitions/ask-the-cpd-to-bring-fairness-to-the-presidential-debates?share_id=oAbsKHVnlP&utm_campaign=petition_page&utm_source=share_petition

Talk about screwed-up priorities!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 27, 2012, 01:56:13 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19893_the-6-weirdest-things-that-statistically-lower-crime.html

Fair warning:  I was only able to get through the first 1 (maybe two? I can't remember.) of the items on this list.
The fail started for me when he said "crime rates are the lowest ever".  Unless he has figures to back that up, showing that applies to before, and not just after, the war on drugs, it's bogus.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 27, 2012, 08:26:27 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 27, 2012, 01:56:13 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19893_the-6-weirdest-things-that-statistically-lower-crime.html

Fair warning:  I was only able to get through the first 1 (maybe two? I can't remember.) of the items on this list.
The fail started for me when he said "crime rates are the lowest ever".  Unless he has figures to back that up, showing that applies to before, and not just after, the war on drugs, it's bogus.

Some of them aren't too unlikely, such as the crime rate dropping as the cost of drugs plummeted in the early 90's (no brainer that people who commit crimes to feed drugs habit will commit fewer crimes if drugs are cheaper), and Roe v. Wade coming in almost exactly 18 years before crime rates began dropping.  (The theory they point out is that since the women most likely to want abortions are poor, and/or single, and/or teenagers, and children born into such circumstances are more likely to become criminals, it follows that making it easier for women who want abortions to get them will result in fewer children born into situations that put them at higher risk of becoming criminals, and so there will be fewer criminals.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 28, 2012, 10:20:24 AM
Everyone who is boycotting Oreos (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/how-could-you-boycott-a-cookie) because of their support for gay pride.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 28, 2012, 02:03:30 PM
Quote from: D on June 28, 2012, 10:20:24 AM
Everyone who is boycotting Oreos (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/how-could-you-boycott-a-cookie) because of their support for gay pride.

Strange, why do I have this weird craving for Oreos now?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 28, 2012, 02:45:50 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 28, 2012, 02:03:30 PM
Strange, why do I have this weird craving for Oreos now?

Because you're gay?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 28, 2012, 04:22:10 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on June 28, 2012, 02:45:50 PM
Because you're gay?

You offering? ;)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 28, 2012, 04:30:22 PM
I love my mom but Jesus Christ, she is weird when it comes to anti-consumption bullshit.

Just today she goes on this bit about how everyone in the USA has the gout because of an over-consumption of protein and meat.  She says she saw it on PBS.

I told here that it was a reason to not believe PBS, but looking back, and from what I recall about issues with anecdotes, she probably just did a shit job reporting it.

And she is weird when it comes to "natural" vs 'science' or something like that.
For example, whenever we talk about how bad banana flavoring tastes (which, it does, believe me).  She goes on a bit about how, "science can never create what god did."

One of these days, I'll have to show her something regarding that bit of bananas being bred to be the way they are; not 'created by gawd'.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 28, 2012, 04:47:08 PM
I thought it was pretty much general knowledge now that gout is caused by arthritis?

Yeah, I've never understood how artificial banana flavoring tastes absolutely nothing like bananas. But then, I've never figured out why lemonade is made with artificial flavorings but dishwashing detergent is made with real lemons.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 28, 2012, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 28, 2012, 04:47:08 PMI thought it was pretty much general knowledge now that gout is caused by arthritis?
She also said that every single person in the USA has some form of arthritis; from the same source.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 28, 2012, 05:08:20 PM
"I don't care what happens to anyone else as long as I still get my benefits." - My own father on government healthcare.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 28, 2012, 06:52:15 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on June 29, 2012, 12:43:10 AM
""For those of us who oppose the Affordable Care Act as a policy matter, this is a bad day,"  "For those of us in this fight to preserve the limits of constitutional government, this is not a bad day."---Georgetown Professor Randy Barnett in an attempt to felate Roberts for making a bad decision in this crap article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/06/28/the-political-genius-of-john-roberts/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/06/28/the-political-genius-of-john-roberts/)

Another in a long line of Republican apologetics. It's all a brilliant strategy that will end up in reducing the Government even though it never works out that way in real life.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 29, 2012, 02:26:16 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 28, 2012, 04:47:08 PM
I thought it was pretty much general knowledge now that gout is caused by arthritis?


actually, gout proper is caused by the buildup of uric acid crystals building up in the joints, which in turn induces inflammatory arthritis. It can be facilitated by diet, trauma, genetics, etc.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 29, 2012, 09:14:26 AM
Another gem from Occupy concerning Obamacare
QuoteYou're NOT forced to buy insurance. You either pay a TAX (not to be confused with a fine) for free healthcare. Which is why it was upheld by SCOTUS because the government is allowed to collect taxes. Or you can buy insurance and get an exemption for said tax. I don't see how that helps the insurance companies.

It's how the rest of the world does it. Except we actually give you the choice of a going with a private insurance company.

Edit: Also, nobody ever said it was meant to fix the rising cost of healthcare. It's for people who can't afford insurance. The costs are another issue - which I personally call price gouging.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 29, 2012, 09:16:36 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on June 29, 2012, 09:14:26 AM
Another gem from Occupy concerning Obamacare

....

Yeah, because "buy this or we'll steal your money" is not force at all.

Fuck that guy in the neck.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 29, 2012, 09:40:11 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 28, 2012, 04:47:08 PM
I thought it was pretty much general knowledge now that gout is caused by arthritis?


Not exactly.  Gout is a form of arthritis, caused by a build up of uric acid in the blood to the extent that it starts to crystallize, and the crystals are deposited in various tissues and cause the symptoms (the single most common location for this to occur is in the big toe, and I've heard of acute attacks being treated by the direct but extremely painful process of slitting open the skin and squeezing out the blood containing the crystal accumulation).  The high levels of uric acid salts can also cause kidney stones.  The principle cause of the high uric acid levels is inadequate kidney excretion of uric acid.

Diet choices can contribute to higher production of uric acid (and eating more protein, from ANY source, will increase the risk).  Genetics plays a much greater role.

Other risk factors are exposure to lead, use of alcohol, certain kidney and liver conditions, some medications, age, and the kind of generally run-down condition that far to many people are in today (overweight, high blood pressure, insulin resistance, and so on).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 29, 2012, 12:06:52 PM
Quote from: D on June 29, 2012, 09:16:36 AM
....

Yeah, because "buy this or we'll steal your money" is not force at all.

Fuck that guy in the neck.


better yet, cornhole him to death.

@ Evensgray: hey,  I said that first :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 29, 2012, 12:12:14 PM
Quote from: Occupy MoronYou either pay a TAX (not to be confused with a fine) for free healthcare

Yes, please don't be confused by the fact that the ACA CALLS it a fine...

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 29, 2012, 12:19:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 29, 2012, 12:12:14 PM
Yes, please don't be confused by the fact that the ACA CALLS it a fine...

Wait a minute...

How can they levy a fine without some sort of court process at least being available?  It's not a TAX if you can automatically contest it through a court proceeding of some sort.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 29, 2012, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on June 29, 2012, 12:19:51 PM
Wait a minute...

How can they levy a fine without some sort of court process at least being available?  It's not a TAX if you can automatically contest it through a court proceeding of some sort.
That's a big point of mine: calling it a "tax" allows them to completely violate due process.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 30, 2012, 07:41:24 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-great-ways-to-remind-yourself-that-youre-poor/

Let's see now...

6: "The companies have to take in more money than they're paying out for that to work. And they are taking in a goddamn fuckload of extra."

What they like to skip over is the fact that most of that fuckload of extra is reinvested.  It's not all going towards new yachts and gold toilets.

5: Okay, sick and tired of De Beers being vilified just because some people are weak willed and cave to peer pressure.  If your wife hates you for not buying her an overpriced diamond, find a better wife.  It's that simple.  Don't blow your hard earned money for the sake of ill founded "Traditions."  Life is WAY too short.

4. You can swing Christmas quite cheaply if you're smart about it actually.  Folks, your kids don't really care THAT much about presents.  What they ultimately want more than anything is you.  Nothing more.

3.  There's no shame in renting, seriously.  It's worked great for me.

2. Wow...he actually restrained himself from vilifying banks for not handing out loans like candy to everyone.  Gold star John!

1. See the Bullshit episode about Funerals.  Funerals are for the living, not the dead.  The dead don't care.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 30, 2012, 03:48:16 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on June 30, 2012, 07:41:24 AM

3.  There's no shame in renting, seriously.  It's worked great for me.


yeah, but I'm sure you know what the American dream is about: a house, two cars, two kids, and a wife who makes sandwitches....

/end sarcasm/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 30, 2012, 03:50:21 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on June 30, 2012, 07:41:24 AM
1. See the Bullshit episode about Funerals.  Funerals are for the living, not the dead.  The dead don't care.

THANK YOU!  Glad to see someone calling people on that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on June 30, 2012, 08:05:29 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 30, 2012, 03:48:16 PM
yeah, but I'm sure you know what the American dream is about: a house, two cars, two kids, and a wife who makes sandwitches....

/end sarcasm/

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Don't forget, the Government wanted to make sure everyone owned a house. I forget how that turned out.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 30, 2012, 11:09:09 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on June 30, 2012, 08:05:29 PM

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Don't forget, the Government wanted to make sure everyone owned a house. I forget how that turned out.

yeah, I forgot too...

yeah, that's basically it really: a lot of people want "the best", and feel worthless or as "failures" if they don't. And the stupid part? the same people elected bastards who created this housing bubble, the College Bubble, and so on...I'm not one to make windows into man's soul, so I'm not going to state why they elect such people, or favor such policies. but I'll leave it to you to determine what my suspicions are.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 01, 2012, 01:40:09 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6c674XaE11qhvj14o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 01, 2012, 11:09:56 AM
PatchesRips in these comments: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=Ubmjc83yAtI
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 01, 2012, 03:08:59 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on July 01, 2012, 01:40:09 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6c674XaE11qhvj14o1_500.png)
who said Western democracies are the only places to go to?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 02, 2012, 07:36:59 PM
There is optimism, and then there is simply being naive.

(http://i48.tinypic.com/16kyp8h.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on July 03, 2012, 01:28:51 AM
"So - Barclay's Bank is a huge global bank - they along with 18 other global banks are now being investigated for price fixing of interest rates. As in - violation of the anti-trust act. It's a big deal."

Some idiot who calls himself Icarus.

Price fixing interest rates, I asked him if they were investigating the Federal Reserve. No response yet.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on July 03, 2012, 01:42:54 AM
So after watching this video, this exchange happened...

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Quote from: LimeyCanuck83
I know exactly what you're saying, but do you want government telling people what they can and can't buy even if it is [welfare money]?

Quote from: Altimadark
Do you want government telling the town drunk he can do whatever he wants with the money they took from your paycheck?

Quote from: LimeyCanuck83
your only asuming he's a town drunk... this could be anyone who qualifies for this welfare check. I know that smokes on free money is bullshit. but this is his or her money, be it (our forced charity, whatever). I just think getting the goverment into telling people what they can't buy is worse!

The problem is who qualifies i guess...

Quote from: Altimadark
It's not "assuming," it's a hypothetical situation. He IS the town drunk. He is inclined to drink copious amounts of alcohol.

Okay, to be fair, LimeyCanuck83 doesn't seem like a bad guy, but you know what they say about the road paved with good intentions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 03, 2012, 03:50:39 PM
Pretty much everything FSAthe1st has to say in this video and the comments:

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Down in the earliest comments, you'll see him having a nice, congratulatory conversation with, of all people, geocentrist MasterGhostKnight.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 03, 2012, 04:23:32 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 03, 2012, 03:50:39 PM
Pretty much everything FSAthe1st has to say

This portion of the comment is all that is needed.

QuoteDown in the earliest comments, you'll see him having a nice, congratulatory conversation with, of all people, geocentrist MasterGhostKnight.

Wow, butt-hurt much? I'm POSITIVE I don't keep going on about commenters to my channel long after they've stopped bothering me. There are definite issues there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 03, 2012, 05:18:14 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 03, 2012, 04:23:32 PM
Wow, butt-hurt much? I'm POSITIVE I don't keep going on about commenters to my channel long after they've stopped bothering me. There are definite issues there.

Well, he CLAIMS people keep pointing out that he's wrong, but he doesn't even supply things he doesn't understand to support that claim.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 03, 2012, 06:02:03 PM
@ Shane: well, looking at the video, the information text, as well as the comments, I suspect he's compensating because of the butt-hurt/spitefulness/sheer immaturity.

I mean, let's see this:

1-he took a video clip you used, but didn't cite it (in fact, if you look in the comments, he refuses to give that information).
2-he (get this) basically says in the info box that he's doing this as opposed to "typing in all-caps and measuring pixels"....basically spitting in your eye.
3-he's even fussing over capitalizing the "L" in Libertarian...srsly....

of course, I'm sure you know that already. Frankly, I find this whole deal to be...pathetic.

@ evensgrey: give it a rest already: you're not going to convince him or that robot dude (yes, I read the comments).

EDIT: much better. sorry about that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 03, 2012, 06:14:25 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 03, 2012, 06:02:03 PM
@ evensgray: give it a rest already: you're not going to convince him or that robot dude (yes, I read the comments).

Well, thug blocked me for making corrections to his apologetics, so it's not like I can correct him any more.

Incidentally, I'm really particular about spelling of my name and similar things like usernames.  You got it wrong.  There's no 'a' anywhere in my username.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 03, 2012, 06:33:19 PM
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The other three are complete tools.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 03, 2012, 07:20:19 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 03, 2012, 06:14:25 PM
Well, thug blocked me for making corrections to his apologetics, so it's not like I can correct him any more.

Incidentally, I'm really particular about spelling of my name and similar things like usernames.  You got it wrong.  There's no 'a' anywhere in my username.

sorry about that. I'll remember it in the future.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 03, 2012, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 03, 2012, 07:20:19 PM
sorry about that. I'll remember it in the future.

Thank you.

I'm sure you've had issues with people mangling your name as well.  I'm not sure if native English speakers can ever really get Arabic names right.  They don't get my name right, and it doesn't even have unfamiliar phoneme distinctions in it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 03, 2012, 07:33:40 PM
Quote from: D on July 03, 2012, 06:33:19 PMThe other three are complete tools.

Yeah, like the old line they were going on about: This is absolutely the most important presidential election in history. Again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 04, 2012, 03:48:17 PM
Every statist who's commented on this video:

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I mean, you'd think this would be a no-brainer!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on July 05, 2012, 07:40:32 AM
Idiot responding to me mentioning some article by P.Z. Meyers on Evolution and nothing else.

"How can you support P.Z. Meyers after what he did to thunderf00t?"

My response.

"I have no idea what you're talking about and I don't want to know. I suspect learning it might make me stupider somehow like that Twilight Zone where everyone who heard the meaning of life went insane instantly. I'm going to do something more constructive than listening to thunderf00t drama like watching my dog lick his genitals. "
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 05, 2012, 08:31:40 AM
Quote from: Goaticus on July 05, 2012, 07:40:32 AM
Idiot responding to me mentioning some article by P.Z. Meyers on Evolution and nothing else.

"How can you support P.Z. Meyers after what he did to thunderf00t?"

My response.

"I have no idea what you're talking about and I don't want to know. I suspect learning it might make me stupider somehow like that Twilight Zone where everyone who heard the meaning of life went insane instantly. I'm going to do something more constructive than listening to thunderf00t drama like watching my dog lick his genitals. "

I do know what P.Z. did to TF00t, and while I won't say what it was, both of them were acting like tools, but TF00t was acting like a tool because he was responding to idiocy while P.Z. was acting like a tool because he was being an idiot.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 05, 2012, 09:51:10 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 05, 2012, 08:31:40 AM
I do know what P.Z. did to TF00t, and while I won't say what it was, both of them were acting like tools, but TF00t was acting like a tool because he was responding to idiocy while P.Z. was acting like a tool because he was being an idiot.

And going directly against his stated principles to boot.

But that's irrelevant to the question of evolution, which is what Goaticus's response should have been: we look at people like PZ Myers and Richard Dawkins not as some kind of Holy Saints with Divine Authority, but people who have dedicated their lives to studying this stuff and therefore know a thing or two about a thing or two. How they behave in other areas is irrelevant to that.

Just look at the woo PZ turns into when he gets on a statist rant, for example.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 06, 2012, 05:33:22 PM
I wouldn't call this video a fail, since he seems to be going either from arguments he's misunderstood or been given arguments by people who've misunderstood them, but a lot of the comments certainly are:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 06, 2012, 08:43:06 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 06, 2012, 05:33:22 PM
I wouldn't call this video a fail, since he seems to be going either from arguments he's misunderstood or been given arguments by people who've misunderstood them, but a lot of the comments certainly are:

[yt]nHBOnY9e8Vo[/yt]

wow....I died and went to hell, didn't I?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 07, 2012, 12:06:20 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 06, 2012, 05:33:22 PM
I wouldn't call this video a fail, since he seems to be going either from arguments he's misunderstood or been given arguments by people who've misunderstood them, but a lot of the comments certainly are:

[yt]nHBOnY9e8Vo[/yt]

Nope, turns out he's just another greedy parasite.  He's down on the level of Drunky and thug.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 07, 2012, 03:47:06 AM
Way to stay classy people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 07, 2012, 04:34:02 AM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on July 07, 2012, 03:47:06 AM
Way to stay classy people.

Keep in mind the actual consequences of doing what most of these people claim they want done.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 07, 2012, 09:41:26 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 07, 2012, 12:06:20 AM
Nope, turns out he's just another greedy parasite.  He's down on the level of Drunky and thug.

Did he delete some of your comments? I see a lot of replies he made attacking you, but the OP was deleted and there was no "comment deleted" message that I could see, which is what you get when the user and not the channel owner deletes a comment.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 07, 2012, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 07, 2012, 09:41:26 AM
Did he delete some of your comments? I see a lot of replies he made attacking you, but the OP was deleted and there was no "comment deleted" message that I could see, which is what you get when the user and not the channel owner deletes a comment.

Looks like he deleted a couple.  Not that it helps him look any better.  Stupid, ignorant Keynesian.  Turns out Pooka's no better, either.

Why would ANYONE trust statistics from the Treasury Department about the effects of taxation?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 07, 2012, 11:49:06 AM
Comment deletion over a differing view is something that rings unlikely if I were to go by what I know of SiriusMinded.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 07, 2012, 12:17:11 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on July 07, 2012, 11:49:06 AM
Comment deletion over a differing view is something that rings unlikely if I were to go by what I know of SiriusMinded.

Then where are they?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 07, 2012, 05:40:38 PM
Incidentally, for everyone who bothered to read the comments, I just ran the numbers, and for someone who JUST breasts into the top tax bracket in Canada, the effective total Federal income tax rate is just over 21%, so just over 14% effective tax rate on dividends (and then there's another tax credit on top of that, I think, since I've never earned any dividends it's never come up for me).  Money in the top tax bracket gets a Federal income tax rate of 29%, which is just under 20% effective tax rate on Dividends (and, for that matter, just under 16% and just under 22% for Capital Gains).  Since the top tax bracket was $127 021 for 2010 and $128 800 for 2011, not many people pay a higher rate on dividends than you pay in the US at 15% and the rate isn't all that much higher here.

Incidentally, Canada doesn't have a long/short term Capital Gains distinction, all taxable Capital Gains are taxed as 75% of their nominal value.  So, if you think you can get rich day trading, Canada may be a better place to do it than the US.  Not that any normal person can get rich day trading.

Provincial income taxes are extra, of course, just like State and local ones (poor suckers who live in places with those) in the US.  In Ontario, the rates are much lower than the Federal rates (starts at 5.05% and the top rate is 11.16% for 2011, but the tax brackets are different).  How does that compare to State rates in the US?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 07, 2012, 08:28:08 PM
I hit him with the old "Why exactly do the rich owe more in taxes anyway?  It's not like they're getting more roads/courts/military/etc out of the deal." issue.

First he gives me this
"Many of the rich pay less as a percentage of their income than people making less than them. They have a lot of sweet heart tax deals that you and I don't qualify for. When you wake up to that, you'll understand.

Because of the way CGT works, he paid a LOWER percentage in tax than I did last year."

Which isn't an answer at all so I pressed him more and got this.

"He has 100x more at stake, and has 100x more rewarded by the system that allowed him to do so."

....that makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm getting the sense that he's NEVER considered that question before which is worrying.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 07, 2012, 08:48:38 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on July 07, 2012, 08:28:08 PM
I hit him with the old "Why exactly do the rich owe more in taxes anyway?  It's not like they're getting more roads/courts/military/etc out of the deal." issue.

First he gives me this
"Many of the rich pay less as a percentage of their income than people making less than them. They have a lot of sweet heart tax deals that you and I don't qualify for. When you wake up to that, you'll understand.

Because of the way CGT works, he paid a LOWER percentage in tax than I did last year."

Which isn't an answer at all so I pressed him more and got this.

"He has 100x more at stake, and has 100x more rewarded by the system that allowed him to do so."

....that makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm getting the sense that he's NEVER considered that question before which is worrying.

It's not just him. Many people throw similar answers like that at you if you ask them the same question.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 07, 2012, 09:18:12 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on July 07, 2012, 08:28:08 PM
I hit him with the old "Why exactly do the rich owe more in taxes anyway?  It's not like they're getting more roads/courts/military/etc out of the deal." issue.

First he gives me this
"Many of the rich pay less as a percentage of their income than people making less than them. They have a lot of sweet heart tax deals that you and I don't qualify for. When you wake up to that, you'll understand.

Because of the way CGT works, he paid a LOWER percentage in tax than I did last year."

Which isn't an answer at all so I pressed him more and got this.

"He has 100x more at stake, and has 100x more rewarded by the system that allowed him to do so."

....that makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm getting the sense that he's NEVER considered that question before which is worrying.

Who is 'he' that has so much more?  I have a feeling he's talking about Warren Buffet, who would have paid rather a higher percentage of his income in taxes than Sirius last year and just lied his ass off about it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 07, 2012, 09:23:53 PM
I posed to him "If someone has 100x more than you, why does he owe 100x in taxes considering he's not getting 100x more police/courts/etc out of it."

His reply conveniently overlooks the fact that if someone got rich, he ALREADY paid back for it through whatever good or service he provided that made him rich in the first place.  Saying he owes again for that is double dipping.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 07, 2012, 09:36:31 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on July 07, 2012, 09:23:53 PM
I posed to him "If someone has 100x more than you, why does he owe 100x in taxes considering he's not getting 100x more police/courts/etc out of it."

His reply conveniently overlooks the fact that if someone got rich, he ALREADY paid back for it through whatever good or service he provided that made him rich in the first place.  Saying he owes again for that is double dipping.

He probably assumed (or would at least claim that he assumed) the guy inherited it or some such (in which case society got the benefit of whatever business activity earned the money when it was earned).  If there's inheritance tax (and I don't see how he could not want that as well, no matter how much poverty and unemployment it causes) then he's trying to TRIPLE dip.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 08, 2012, 02:06:20 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on July 07, 2012, 09:23:53 PM
I posed to him "If someone has 100x more than you, why does he owe 100x in taxes considering he's not getting 100x more police/courts/etc out of it."

His reply conveniently overlooks the fact that if someone got rich, he ALREADY paid back for it through whatever good or service he provided that made him rich in the first place.  Saying he owes again for that is double dipping.

Not to mention all that money they spend on supporting politicians that in turn make for legislation that lets them pay even less taxes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 09, 2012, 01:09:42 PM
From adamdabester in these comments (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=WwwvXXR04BY), excusing a California fire department for letting a house burn:

Quoteand it happens in California because of the far right restricting taxation down to starvation levels for the government

Even though the effective tax rate per capital in California is fifth highest in the nation!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 11, 2012, 04:37:20 PM
My cousin Jimmy strikes again! Again!

I shared the following picture on Facebook:
(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s720x720/417642_10151007087519454_1403858517_n.jpg)

My cousin Jimmy gave us this enlightening response:
Quote"Nidal Hasan is a hero. He is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people. Any decent Muslim cannot live, understanding properly his duties towards his Creator and his fellow Muslims, and yet serve as a U.S. soldier. The U.S. is leading the war against terrorism, which in reality is a war against Islam. Its army is directly invading two Muslim countries and indirectly occupying the rest through its stooges. The heroic act of brother Nidal also shows the dilemma of the Muslim American community. Increasingly, they are being cornered into taking stances that would either make them betray Islam or betray their nation."

Same person. Hitler spoke of peace as well.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 11, 2012, 09:17:42 PM
wow... your cousin really is a moron.

Al-Awlaki in your quote was expressing actual Islamic legal jurisprudence on the subject of killing innocent civilians (you simply don't do it). of course what your cousin tried to do was show he didn't really believe that. well, I'm about to ruin that for him (note: not to be construed as defending Awlaki, or approving/defending of Nidal's actions):

because Nidal was known to have passed up opportunities to kill civilians: he was only deliberately targeting people in Uniform, or those who tried to fight back: as a result, all but one of the 13 killed were military men, and most of the wounded were also military (see sources below).


http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/21/nation/la-na-fort-hood-20101021

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/nation-world/nation/20101019-Civilian-nurse-testifies-Maj-Nidal-6201.ece (might have expired since)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on July 11, 2012, 09:31:43 PM
Quote
Same person. Hitler spoke of peace as well.


Hitler also wore khaki pants and ate with a fork. He probably peed standing up too. I always thought the reductio ad hitlerum was a particularly lame fallacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on July 11, 2012, 10:08:06 PM
"Most of this guys videos are misleading and ridiculous. But he makes a great point in this one."

Some guy who says his name is Zachary Taylor and then he posts a BillBurns2 video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 12, 2012, 06:03:52 PM
http://kateordie.tumblr.com/post/24988635952/sometimes-i-have-the-time-and-patience-to-get-from

She means well but this rant is chock full of misinformation and she's doing her cause a disservice by spreading it.

For one thing, 1 out of 4 women have been raped?  Anyone know what percent of the population are rapists cause I'll bet you money there are not enough rapists in the world to possibly produce those kinds of numbers.

For another, advising women not to venture alone in dangerous places is "rape culture"?  So if I tell someone who got hacked that he should get a security program and stop opening e-mails from strangers, is that "hacker culture"?  Am I defending criminals when I tell people how to protect themselves from them?  What kind of sense does that make?


And I've said it before, anyone who claims it's a man's world has never been through divorce court.  I'll tell you that for a fact.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 12, 2012, 06:28:11 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on July 12, 2012, 06:03:52 PMFor one thing, 1 out of 4 women have been raped?  Anyone know what percent of the population are rapists cause I'll bet you money there are not enough rapists in the world to possibly produce those kinds of numbers.

Assuming we're talking about the US, and not including statutory rape, the rate is 65 in 100,000. Of course, that may not be 65 individual people (you'd have one person committing multiple rapes in a year), but that doesn't actually matter. There are 120 million adult female women in the US. So applying that rape rate to the adult female population you get 78,000 women raped each year (assuming each one is raped only once), and so it would take those rapists over 300 years to rape one-fourth of the adult women in the country!

Now of course, this is just reported rapes, but there'd have to be a LOT of unreported rapes to make this the case!

QuoteFor another, advising women not to venture alone in dangerous places is "rape culture"?  So if I tell someone who got hacked that he should get a security program and stop opening e-mails from strangers, is that "hacker culture"?  Am I defending criminals when I tell people how to protect themselves from them?  What kind of sense does that make?

I've never understood this, either. It's the equivalent of saying "Don't walk down that street at night." And it's NOT the same thing as saying "Well she shouldn't have worn that short skirt."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on July 13, 2012, 02:51:33 PM
From this article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/13/13-reasons-why-this-is-the-worst-congress-ever/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/13/13-reasons-why-this-is-the-worst-congress-ever/)

Reason #1 of why this is the worst Congress ever. "1. They're not passing laws."

That's actually an argument for them being better than the previous congress and why I would prefer that the President and the Congress be different parties if Johnson doesn't win.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 13, 2012, 03:06:35 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on July 13, 2012, 02:51:33 PM
From this article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/13/13-reasons-why-this-is-the-worst-congress-ever/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/13/13-reasons-why-this-is-the-worst-congress-ever/)

Reason #1 of why this is the worst Congress ever. "1. They're not passing laws."

That's actually an argument for them being better than the previous congress and why I would prefer that the President and the Congress be different parties if Johnson doesn't win.

yeah, I never got that: I keep hearing from people about the need to break the deadlock--even though doing so usually (well, 99.9% of the cases) leads to things getting worse.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on July 13, 2012, 04:08:34 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 13, 2012, 03:06:35 PM
yeah, I never got that: I keep hearing from people about the need to break the deadlock--even though doing so usually (well, 99.9% of the cases) leads to things getting worse.

Exactly and that was why the Bush Presidency was so much worse than the Clinton Presidency. Clinton wanted to do many of the things Bush did, but he was cock blocked for lack of a better term by Congress and to some extent Greenspan. Bush with nearly the same Congress and Fed Chairman was given carte blanche because they were on the same team.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 14, 2012, 03:30:50 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on July 12, 2012, 06:03:52 PM
For one thing, 1 out of 4 women have been raped?  Anyone know what percent of the population are rapists cause I'll bet you money there are not enough rapists in the world to possibly produce those kinds of numbers.

These numbers come from making more than one hidden fallacious argument.

To begin with, 'researchers' looking to make the statistics look as bad as possible do surveys to find out how many women are being 'sexually assaulted'.  Of course, they don't ask the women if they've been sexually assaulted, they ask them a long series of questions about whether any of a laundry list of things has ever happened to them.  If they answer yes to any of them, they get counted as having been sexually assaulted, even if the woman herself does not consider themselves to have been sexually assaulted.  (They will even conflate things that they explicitly claim elsewhere are not sexual with sexual assault.  For instance, there is a set of institutional Feminists who claim that breasts are not sexual, but that doesn't stop them from claiming that an accidental touch to the breasts is sexual assault.)

Then (and quite often someone else does this), the entire category of 'sexual assault' (already wildly exaggerated) will be conflated with rape, a very specific subset of sexual assault.

You may notice a tremendous similarity to how statistics on gun usage are intentionally distorted by biased researches trying to make gun owners look like criminals.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 15, 2012, 01:16:40 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 14, 2012, 03:30:50 AM
These numbers come from making more than one hidden fallacious argument.

To begin with, 'researchers' looking to make the statistics look as bad as possible do surveys to find out how many women are being 'sexually assaulted'.  Of course, they don't ask the women if they've been sexually assaulted, they ask them a long series of questions about whether any of a laundry list of things has ever happened to them.  If they answer yes to any of them, they get counted as having been sexually assaulted, even if the woman herself does not consider themselves to have been sexually assaulted.  (They will even conflate things that they explicitly claim elsewhere are not sexual with sexual assault.  For instance, there is a set of institutional Feminists who claim that breasts are not sexual, but that doesn't stop them from claiming that an accidental touch to the breasts is sexual assault.)

Then (and quite often someone else does this), the entire category of 'sexual assault' (already wildly exaggerated) will be conflated with rape, a very specific subset of sexual assault.

You may notice a tremendous similarity to how statistics on gun usage are intentionally distorted by biased researches trying to make gun owners look like criminals.


"When someone is walking down the street and avoiding stepping on cracks in the sidewalk, what is the one thing you can be sure of?
He knows the cracks are there." - Phil Hellenes
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 17, 2012, 04:56:34 PM
Everything said by jimmyrtle in these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=Ubmjc83yAtI
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=V7xyfCZwKqQ
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 17, 2012, 06:19:04 PM
Ever want to hear what Connecticut citizens had to say about the Olympic uniforms being made in China?

Yeah, well neither did I.

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Yes, the "Voice of the People" segment is always bad. I could post one every day for fail quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 17, 2012, 06:37:10 PM
Yes, because jingoism and divisiveness among different nationalities is what the Olympics are all about...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 17, 2012, 07:00:08 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 17, 2012, 06:37:10 PM
Yes, because jingoism and divisiveness among different nationalities is what the Olympics are all about...

Trust me when I say that the "Voice of the People" segment is the worst segment on television.

Hell, I have another one for Fail Quotes:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2012, 07:21:40 AM
"The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the essence of inhumanity" -George Bernard Shaw

From the description section of this video:

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Sorry, but negative action absent prior voluntary explicit agreement cannot be immoral/sin/crime/bad. UPB ftw.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 18, 2012, 07:57:44 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 17, 2012, 04:56:34 PM
Everything said by jimmyrtle in these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=Ubmjc83yAtI
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=V7xyfCZwKqQ

I had to chime in on his assertion that giving out loans adds more money to the economy.

"Lending money adds more to the economy?

Yes, because we all know banks giving out loans willy nilly just made the whole country filthy rich amirite?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2012, 09:26:38 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on July 18, 2012, 07:57:44 AM
I had to chime in on his assertion that giving out loans adds more money to the economy.

"Lending money adds more to the economy?

Yes, because we all know banks giving out loans willy nilly just made the whole country filthy rich amirite?"

As did I:

"'Like I said earlier, under full reserve, there is no lending.'

And you're wrong. Shane pointed out that there is lending, only using time deposits. Read his posts next time before running your mouth."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2012, 10:29:12 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 17, 2012, 04:56:34 PM
Everything said by jimmyrtle in these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=Ubmjc83yAtI
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=V7xyfCZwKqQ

Seconded.  How this guy can't process a simple progression or the idea of time (hence the name 'time deposits') is just sad.  Gotta love state cultists.
His butt buddy dsglop interjected a few times too.  His comments weren't much better.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 18, 2012, 03:33:42 PM
[yt]NJzBGNQbHwc[/yt]

Diana Carew is a moron.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 18, 2012, 05:26:43 PM
Quote from: D on July 18, 2012, 03:33:42 PM
[yt]NJzBGNQbHwc[/yt]

Diana Carew is a moron.

Wow, all of the facts she brought up supported Schiff's points!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 18, 2012, 06:28:18 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 18, 2012, 05:26:43 PM
Wow, all of the facts she brought up supported Schiff's points!

But HURR DURR DA GUVMENT IZ INVESTIN IN HUMAN CAPITALZ! DUN CHU SUPPORT HUMAN CAPITALZ?!

Like I said. Moron.

Speaking of morons, it's time once again for everyone's favorite failing segment, The Voice of the People.
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The failure here comes from a couple of things. One, a man talking about the governor's spending of $400,000 in tax dollars on things for his house, which include air conditioning repairs, as well as $250,000 worth of "security." What makes this fail is the fact that the person calling is claiming that if Malloy didn't abolish the death penalty, as well as prisoners being let out early, Malloy wouldn't need to spend that kind of money on what basically amounted to a fence. You know, because the only reason blowing that blood money was bad is because Connecticut isn't killing people anymore.

Another failure doesn't come from the video itself, but from the description:
QuoteCallers are sounding of on a variety of topics, from flag vandalism, security improvements at the governor's mansion, and the boy scouts surprising new move.

The "surprising new move" in question is the banning of gay children, which of course, as you all know, has been happening for years.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 19, 2012, 08:26:43 PM
Mercifully, tonight's Voice of the People segment didn't have any noteworthy failure.

So instead have this enlightening piece of input (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1212268&postcount=18) from a commenter on the story from the recent Bogosity podcast about the woman suing the FDA over sperm donor fees.

Quote from: ZeroUnlim
QuoteThat guy's hot. I want HIM, as the sperm donor.
This would fall into so many complications.

Yes, because lesbians are known for drooling over men like a pack of screaming high school banshees.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 20, 2012, 05:11:15 AM
"nowadays nothing can get through [Congress]." -- Unclesamslair in the comments of this video:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 20, 2012, 06:35:05 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on June 30, 2012, 07:41:24 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-great-ways-to-remind-yourself-that-youre-poor/

Let's see now...

6: "The companies have to take in more money than they're paying out for that to work. And they are taking in a goddamn fuckload of extra."

What they like to skip over is the fact that most of that fuckload of extra is reinvested.  It's not all going towards new yachts and gold toilets.
Or how about the fact that companies in the USA actually pay MORE to remain in compliance with regulations than they make in profits?
*EDIT* Wait...more money "than they are paying out" Please don't tell me John was saying that the ONLY expense companies have is hiring workers...Christ, that bit of uber Marxist bollocks is something I've heard far too many times.

Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on June 30, 2012, 07:41:24 AM
5: Okay, sick and tired of De Beers being vilified just because some people are weak willed and cave to peer pressure.  If your wife hates you for not buying her an overpriced diamond, find a better wife.  It's that simple.  Don't blow your hard earned money for the sake of ill founded "Traditions."  Life is WAY too short.
Indeed.  If you're going to vilify them, vilify them for being a government supported monopoly (last I checked).  Or even better, vilify the government that gave them that status in the first place.

Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on June 30, 2012, 07:41:24 AM4. You can swing Christmas quite cheaply if you're smart about it actually.  Folks, your kids don't really care THAT much about presents.  What they ultimately want more than anything is you.  Nothing more.
Seriously?  He's bitching about this?  Dude, my family doesn't even celebrate any of those winter holidays; like, at all.  First world problems on his part.

Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on June 30, 2012, 07:41:24 AM3.  There's no shame in renting, seriously.  It's worked great for me.
How much do you want to bet he doesn't even bring up bullshit caused by government in this sector? Like rent controls (see Mary J Ruwart) that lead to apartment shortages and lower quality?  Or the gov't creating the housing bubble?

Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on June 30, 2012, 07:41:24 AM2. Wow...he actually restrained himself from vilifying banks for not handing out loans like candy to everyone.  Gold star John!
Good to know.

Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on June 30, 2012, 07:41:24 AM1. See the Bullshit episode about Funerals.  Funerals are for the living, not the dead.  The dead don't care.
As with the holidays, this is something my family figured out on our own years ago.  It's like my mom would say: "What the hell would I care?  I'd be dead!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 20, 2012, 08:23:57 PM
Here (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1213507&postcount=16) is a bullshit remark someone made about the Batman shooting where he blames Republicans due to their stance against gun control.

Quote from: TsunaThe rifle he used was an AR-15, THAT'S A FUCKING modded M-16 for those that didn't know. It was banned for civilians to have until 2004 when the republicans refused to renew the assault rifle and firearms ban of 1994.

TRANSLATION: blame the republicans for this because if they didn't suck off the NRA these people would still be alive.

TRANSLATION: HURRRRRRR DURRRRRRRR
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 21, 2012, 04:03:34 AM
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I haven't (and won't) watch this video all the way through.  But it begins with pretentious smugness (the text on the screen), and the description talks about how it's just audio (read: minimal effort), and with the latest comment saying how past the 10 minute mark Lord T Hawkeye reminds him of Karl Marx, you know the video is NOT going to be a winner.

Actually, I did watch a few minutes of it when it first came out.  TL;DR:  repeating the same arguments that Hawkeye just spent the video (that this one is a response to) refuting.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 21, 2012, 05:42:00 AM
"I consider atheism as a religion itself... the belief in a non God . But hey I don't trust the labcoats or the others ... NOBODY can answer !" --devilkais (http://marukasurelius.deviantart.com/art/31231232-145885072)

Yeah, and bald is a hair color and not collecting stamps is a hobby.

OK, what the fuck is it with cultists, Christianity, State, etc, and saying, "well, YOU don't know the answer and nobody can!" and then act like they win by default?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 21, 2012, 08:53:37 AM
WTF is a "non-God"? Is it just something that's not God? This pencil I'm holding is not God, I believe in that. My car is not God, I believe in that. What sense does this argument make?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 21, 2012, 10:30:44 AM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/528765_501879119829641_217178426_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 22, 2012, 09:39:13 PM
This monstrosity of an article (http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_21114645/ruthless-socialism-makes-canada-richer-than-u-s)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 22, 2012, 11:18:41 PM
Quote from: D on July 22, 2012, 09:39:13 PM
This monstrosity of an article (http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_21114645/ruthless-socialism-makes-canada-richer-than-u-s)

completely ignoring the fact that policies in Canada have been increasingly......less like those of America, to put it mildly.

seriously, the guy who wrote this is on crack.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 23, 2012, 01:22:49 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Slenderman-Fiction-Robin-S-Swope/dp/1477507795/

Oh god, I hope this is a poe and I've just been had.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 23, 2012, 08:23:26 AM
Quote from: D on July 22, 2012, 09:39:13 PM
This monstrosity of an article (http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_21114645/ruthless-socialism-makes-canada-richer-than-u-s)

Apparently, no one told them that Canada ranks #6 on the Index of Economic Freedom where the US only ranks #10.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 23, 2012, 06:05:40 PM
Concerning the NCAA's penalty to Penn State over covering up Jerry Sandusky's child molestation

Me
QuoteI'm not saying Penn State officials shouldn't have been punished for the cover up, but that's not the job of the NCAA.

It is a cartel charged with enforcing a narrow mandate relating (farcically) to amateurism and parity, neither of which had/has anything to do with child molestation. Its involvement relates exclusively to its financial and public-relations interest in pretending to be a moral authority; to give it credit for this self-serving performance cheapens the underlying subject matter, and shifts blame to the blameless, without the benefit of a reliable fact-finder.

Him
QuoteWell then I guess you're against employers firing employees who steal from them and falsify their time sheets

Point totally missed
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 24, 2012, 02:08:30 AM
On this vid of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM9xqTONr5g&lc=-qN3HweZps3dBPVjQXT-8XnY4qI3WJkwk0oOi2vZreM&feature=inbox
swu880 had this very strange thing to say.

"Lordthawkeye empiricism is not really all that great. It is self contradictory for a number of reasons namely because of its very premises.

Real knowledge can only be derived from Logic & Reasoning.

See

watch?v=MWaGF4GZvTg

Hans hoppe does a critique on empiricism and "fact/study grubbers""


....what?  [yt]G2y8Sx4B2Sk[/yt]


My response
"

Yeah, who needs facts and studies right? ...right?

yeah...

Logic is neccessary but not sufficient. Observe

"I had steak for breakfast this morning."

This statement IS logical and consistent.  It's also wrong."


I have to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's just mistaken about what empericism means but it's still a fail quote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 24, 2012, 05:24:39 AM
Hawkeye, check that video's comments again.  He keep going on, and on, and on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 24, 2012, 09:50:44 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on July 24, 2012, 02:08:30 AM
On this vid of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM9xqTONr5g&lc=-qN3HweZps3dBPVjQXT-8XnY4qI3WJkwk0oOi2vZreM&feature=inbox
swu880 had this very strange thing to say.

"Lordthawkeye empiricism is not really all that great. It is self contradictory for a number of reasons namely because of its very premises.

Real knowledge can only be derived from Logic & Reasoning.

See

watch?v=MWaGF4GZvTg

Hans hoppe does a critique on empiricism and "fact/study grubbers""


....what?  [yt]G2y8Sx4B2Sk[/yt]


My response
"

Yeah, who needs facts and studies right? ...right?

yeah...

Logic is neccessary but not sufficient. Observe

"I had steak for breakfast this morning."

This statement IS logical and consistent.  It's also wrong."


I have to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's just mistaken about what empericism means but it's still a fail quote.

Hmmmm....I think I recognize that sentiment.

Isn't that the sort of rubbish that the popular (and politically supported) philosophers of Classical Athens promoted, that helped inhibit the development of the formal scientific method for about 20 centuries?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 24, 2012, 10:10:11 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 24, 2012, 09:50:44 AM
Hmmmm....I think I recognize that sentiment.

Isn't that the sort of rubbish that the popular (and politically supported) philosophers of Classical Athens promoted, that helped inhibit the development of the formal scientific method for about 20 centuries?

Yes, and it led to authoritarianism and ultimately the collapse of their civilization.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 24, 2012, 10:46:39 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 24, 2012, 10:10:11 AM
Yes, and it led to authoritarianism and ultimately the collapse of their civilization.

Jesus Christ!  Even MORE reasons to not take that postmodernist, anti-empirical, self-detonating horseshit seriously.
As Condescending Wonka would say to him after pointing out those facts that Shane did, "So tell me how it was absolutism that leads to authoritarianism again?"

Really, the inclusion of an Austrian School scholar (Hoppe) was just sad.  The worst part being that a lot of Austrian School advocates seem to think this bullshit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on July 24, 2012, 01:00:46 PM
Mayor Bloomberg talking about what the police should do as long as guns are legal in the U.S.

"I don't understand why the police officers across his country don't stand up collectively and say, 'We're going to go on strike. We're not going to protect you unless you, the public, through your legislature, do what's required to keep us safe. After all, police officers want to go home to their families and we're doing everything we can to make their jobs more difficult."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 24, 2012, 01:14:19 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on July 24, 2012, 01:00:46 PM
Mayor Bloomberg talking about what the police should do as long as guns are legal in the U.S.

"I don't understand why the police officers across his country don't stand up collectively and say, 'We're going to go on strike. We're not going to protect you unless you, the public, through your legislature, do what's required to keep us safe. After all, police officers want to go home to their families and we're doing everything we can to make their jobs more difficult."

That could either be the best or worst thing to ever happen.

Best case scenario: Without cops, people will start their own protection agencies causing people to realize voluntary competition can work.

Worst case scenario: The military shows up and acts as the police until the cops come back.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 24, 2012, 07:15:48 PM
Wow...Just wow.

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/578749_3520445569440_1806074088_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 24, 2012, 07:35:44 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 24, 2012, 07:15:48 PM
Wow...Just wow.

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/578749_3520445569440_1806074088_n.jpg)

which is funny, since in all the cases, the Government had a hand...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 24, 2012, 07:57:43 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 24, 2012, 07:35:44 PM
which is funny, since in all the cases, the Government had a hand...

Except the last one, which is a complete myth and a baseless scare that cost people millions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 24, 2012, 08:03:30 PM
Three mile island: An example of things going RIGHT.  They stopped the reaction and no one was hurt.  What more do you want?  And don't go thinking I didn't notice you skip past Chernobyl which WAS government run.

Love Canal: What about it?  It's not like the school district didn't know it was a waste dump.  It was spelled out for them multiple times.

Housing crisis: Fannie and Freddie?  Never heard of 'em...

Asian sweatshops: Yeah, make them go back to working in the sweltering hot fields for wood nickels.  That's how to show how much you care!

AIG and Ford Pinto: Who lets them get away with it?  Who encourages them to do it?  Who in fact games the game so that only those who do it can succeed?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 24, 2012, 08:05:53 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on July 24, 2012, 08:03:30 PMLove Canal: What about it?  It's not like the school district didn't know it was a waste dump.  It was spelled out for them multiple times.

When Occidental sold the land to them (for $1), they put a deed restriction on it which said that buildings were NOT to be built on the land because of the possibility of the waste leaking.

EDIT: More info from our friends at Reason Magazine: http://reason.com/archives/1981/02/01/love-canal/singlepage

QuoteAsian sweatshops: Yeah, make them go back to working in the sweltering hot fields for wood nickels.  That's how to show how much you care!

Now don't be so cynical. They can always become prostitutes.

QuoteAIG and Ford Pinto: Who lets them get away with it?  Who encourages them to do it?  Who in fact games the game so that only those who do it can succeed?

The Pinto was a bogus scare anyway: http://www.pointoflaw.com/articles/The_Myth_of_the_Ford_Pinto_Case.pdf
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 25, 2012, 12:27:52 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 24, 2012, 08:05:53 PMNow don't be so cynical. They can always become prostitutes.

Or die of starvation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 25, 2012, 08:18:20 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 25, 2012, 12:27:52 AM
Or die of starvation.

Oh, and you know the guy who popularized the notion of how bad the factories in China are?  Turns out he made up kind of a LOT of the events he talked about.  And made what turn out to be really obvious attempts to cover it up.  NPR eventually got around to properly confirming things, and discovered that there was no problem finding his guide/interpreter (who would, in any case, be protected not at all by him not naming her, since the Chinese government obviously knows who they assigned to him) and she says that he didn't talk to ANY workers directly.

If he got any real facts about conditions at all, he probably got them from Apple's own corporate responsibility report, since Apple isn't all that happy about the conditions in the factories where its' products are made either.  They have no direct control, since the rules specifically forbid foreign companies having a majority interest in any Chinese firms (all of which are controlled by people with close links to the Communist Party, of course).  Form a union and collectively bargain for better conditions?  The only unions allowed are those headed by the factory managers themselves.  Attempting to form any other unions is a crime.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 25, 2012, 09:07:22 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 25, 2012, 08:18:20 AM
Form a union and collectively bargain for better conditions?  The only unions allowed are those headed by the factory managers themselves.  Attempting to form any other unions is a crime.

So much for communism/statism being pro-worker, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 25, 2012, 09:18:47 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 25, 2012, 08:18:20 AMOh, and you know the guy who popularized the notion of how bad the factories in China are?  Turns out he made up kind of a LOT of the events he talked about.  And made what turn out to be really obvious attempts to cover it up.  NPR eventually got around to properly confirming things, and discovered that there was no problem finding his guide/interpreter (who would, in any case, be protected not at all by him not naming her, since the Chinese government obviously knows who they assigned to him) and she says that he didn't talk to ANY workers directly.

It's Upton Sinclair and The Jungle all over again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 25, 2012, 09:58:47 AM
The Gun Control (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/07/22/this_week_roundtable_on_politics_this_week__debate_on_gun_control.html) debate on ABC's This Week this past Sunday was atrocious. I don't always agree with George Will, but I'll be damned if he wasn't the voice of reason during this debate.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 25, 2012, 07:47:02 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s720x720/319499_10150313601016275_929263078_n.jpg)

The stupidity of this is overwhelming.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 25, 2012, 07:51:02 PM
Quote from: D on July 25, 2012, 07:47:02 PM
The stupidity of this is overwhelming.

On so many levels.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 25, 2012, 07:56:39 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 25, 2012, 07:51:02 PM
On so many levels.

The retort to this, however, is win.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 26, 2012, 08:32:51 AM
Some more from BlameThe1st, this time from his blogspot:

http://blamethe1st.blogspot.com/2010/09/demotivational-poster-tea-party.html
I guess he never got the meme that they've gone hardcore conservative, being even more likely to vote republican than republicans now...

http://blamethe1st.blogspot.com/2010/10/demotivational-poster-christine.html
Seriously?  You whine, bitch and moan about how atheists are petulant, and you go and pull this crap, dude?
Another source of fail in this is that while it's true democrats pull that poisoning the well stuff, he fails to mention that republicans do as well.  I mean, has he seriously never seen a republican try to paint their anarcho capitalist opponents as "pie in the sky" theorists and/or drug smoking hippies, etc?

http://blamethe1st.blogspot.com/2010/03/demotivational-poster-stem-cell.html
He IS aware that the arguments on this are a complete red herring right?  The government didn't 'ban' stem cell research of any kind in the USA, as far as I know.  They only banned federal funding of it.  In fact, last I checked, the state of California alone has more money put into stem cell research than most of Europe combined.
Finally, even if a person is against abortion, I don't understand why they'd be against E. Stem Cell research for two reasons.
1.  Unless you believe killing a cell is the same as killing a person (masturbation is murder?) this isn't the same as killing a person--it's a small bunch of cells, dude!
2.  It was already aborted and about to die anyways.  Might as well make the most of things.  But since people against that kind of stem cell research don't want to, THIS is why we say you are against finding those cures.

http://blamethe1st.blogspot.com/2010/04/demotivational-poster-walls.html
http://blamethe1st.blogspot.com/2010/04/demotivational-poster-difference.html
Because when it is legal, that means it's OK, but if it's not, it's bad! Sorry, but govco is NOT the arbiter of morality, pal.  And to answer your questions, YES!  That makes you a racist, or at least a bigot.
Also, while I'm at it:  http://www.cracked.com/article_19925_the-5-stupidest-things-ever-done-with-borders.html  I do believe Cracked.com just owned you.
I mean, really, this immigration bollocks has been refuted countless times (Harry Brown's four points on the issue, the idea of borders which are a state fiction being legitimized, the video--no longer viewable, sadly, by Stargazer5781 on the subject, etc, etc.  And don't even get me started on Mt. Bureaucracy and the quotas.).  It's a reason why he can't, despite what franks claims, be an anarcho capitalist.


http://blamethe1st.blogspot.com/2011/04/demotivational-poster-what-if-youre.html
I can't remember much about that, but even so, it's still refuted by a little video from DarkMatter2525 on whether hell is even possible:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcxyGnFU9bA (spoilers, no it isn't).

http://blamethe1st.blogspot.com/2010/12/demotivational-poster-atheist-holiday.html
More like a fancy way of saying "Baawww" to atheists.  As this image has shown, Christians have about as much reason to celebrate Christmas as Atheists do:
(http://www.macromeme.com/cat/truth-of-christmas.jpg)

http://blamethe1st.blogspot.com/2011/07/elevatorgate-wtf.html
So it's OK for you to paint all atheists with a single brush, but when *we* do it to Christians, it's teh ebil!  Get off your high horse, brony-boy!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 26, 2012, 08:42:44 AM
And speaking of franks2732, you know this is going to be full of fail right from the get go:

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"Christianity = Anarcho Capitalism"
Refuted by Jacob Spinney and countless others.

Also, I facepalmed to found out it was about BTF and his channel comments, (censoring or whatever), only to find franks himself disabled ratings on the video.  All on his video about how some dude is censoring comments and is a hypocrite because of it.

Savor the irony.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 26, 2012, 09:26:53 AM
blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Top-11-Most-Disturbing-MLP-FiM-Fandoms-5-308577492

Of particular note:  "And I don't even know what's worse: the art where they're depicted as human, or the art where they're depicted as ponies. Either way, it's still pedophilia—or rather, pedofillya!"  Um, no.  Pedophilia is the act of having sex with pre-pubescents.  It is NOT simply beating off to the idea of the act.

"This is the type of art that should get MegaSweet a visit from Chris Hansen, not thousands of fans."
Hello, I'm Chris Hanson, and I'm here to ruin your life over a victimless crime.

"And for any Megasweet fanboys out there, please spare me the "but they're just fictional characters" defense."
Fucking thought/victimless crimes, y'all!

"Fictional or not, an underaged minor is still an underaged minor, and pornography featuring them is still child pornography, which, last time I checked, is illegal."
So are drugs, yet I don't see you having any moral issue with them, cherry picker.  Also, last I checked, child pornography, by definition, involve real children--not drawings.

"(And while we're on the subject, so is bestiality!)" *points to above bit about drugs being illegal*  Sorry, but the state is not the ultimate arbiter of morality, pal.  So tell me how beliveing it does makes you a libertarian, much less an anarcho-capitalist again?

But wait, there's more!

"If you get your rocks hard over cartoon ponies, fine! That's your fetish. I'm not here to judge you for it."

"But when you start drooling over underage filly flank, please keep it between yourself and your psychiatrist!"
Um, contradiction, much?

"By all means spare the internet! And spare those poor little fillies!"
Welcome to the internet!  A word of advice, avoid sites like:  Inkbunny, furaffinity, and heaven forbid, 4chan, like the plague.  You're the one whose very username is a play on the 1st Amendment.  As you yourself have said, "Don't blame me! Blame the 1st (Amendment)!" when people don't like your opinions.

"How disturbing is it? As disturbing as seeing your next door neigbor on How To Catch A Predator."
Well, considering the amount of fraud on that show, with a 24 year old and a 14 year old--something that only a uber 'moralistic' 20th century seems to have a problem with, there were also cases of them altering the chat logs where the person chatting claimed to be of legal age, and said she wanted to Role Play as someone younger to make it look like he was into younger folk.  So yeah, not as disturbing as you make it out to be.  Grow a thicker skin, pal!
I find it fascinating that destroying someone's life on what are often false pretenses to begin with doesn't have you saying they should be sued for defamation of character.

"Yeah. The problem is how it's implemented. If it wasn't targeting kids who are only one or two years apart, I wouldn't have that much of a problem."
>>The problem is how it's implemented.
*facepalms*  Because we haven't heard THAT excuse enough times from desperate statists!

And it's a bit ironic that he, as a Christian seems to despise these things, given the Bible's stance on the issues (something about selling young children into slavery being awesome, applause of full on child rape, smashing babies against the rocks because God ordered you to, etc).  Special pleading up in this bitch. X3
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 26, 2012, 11:56:36 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 26, 2012, 09:26:53 AM
blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Top-11-Most-Disturbing-MLP-FiM-Fandoms-5-308577492

I just want to say that this guy has serious issues that he needs to speak with a psychiatrist about.

QuoteUm, no.  Pedophilia is the act of having sex with per-pubescents.  It is NOT simply beating off to the idea of the act.

Actually, the psychiatric (though not necessarily the legal) definition includes feelings and attractions.

Quote"Fictional or not, an underaged minor is still an underaged minor,

But a fictitious underage minor is one that, by definition, doesn't exist.

QuoteAlso, last I checked, child pornography, by definition, involve real children--not drawings.

Indeed. See Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 26, 2012, 12:45:50 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 26, 2012, 08:32:51 AM
He IS aware that the arguments on this are a complete red herring right?  The government didn't 'ban' stem cell research of any kind in the USA, as far as I know.  They only banned federal funding of it.

They didn't even quite do that, the ban was only on Federal funding of research involving fetal stem cell lines started after a certain date.  If you weren't using fetal stem cells (and LOTS of stem cell research doesn't) or only using cell lines that predate the cutoff date, your project stayed eligible for Federal grants.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 26, 2012, 01:44:28 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 26, 2012, 11:56:36 AM
I just want to say that this guy has serious issues that he needs to speak with a psychiatrist about.
What do you mean?

Quote from: MrBogosity on July 26, 2012, 11:56:36 AMActually, the psychiatric (though not necessarily the legal) definition includes feelings and attractions.
I hope so.  If it were the case for the legal definition, it would mean persecuting people for thought crimes.
Someone TRY and defend that!

Quote from: MrBogosity on July 26, 2012, 11:56:36 AMBut a fictitious underage minor is one that, by definition, doesn't exist.
Indeed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 26, 2012, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 26, 2012, 01:44:28 PM
What do you mean?

Someone who reacts THAT negatively to harmless activity engaged by others has some serious denial and repression going on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 26, 2012, 01:50:11 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 26, 2012, 01:47:56 PMSomeone who reacts THAT negatively to harmless activity engaged by others has some serious denial and repression going on.
Given how Christian he is, you may be onto something.  But even that is nothing.  Check out his reaction to the PONY.MOV video series:  http://blamethe1st.blogspot.com/2012/06/top-11-most-disturbing-mlpfim-fandoms-7.html

Even more telling is his lukewarm to borderline positive reaction to the infamous "CupCakes" fanfic (lots of violence against the ponies, etc):  http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Top-11-Most-Disturbing-MLP-FiM-Fandoms-3-309012068

To be fair, he put the number one spot and considered the worst to be Rainbow Factory which has tons of violence against all of them--especially the youngest characters: http://blamethe1st.blogspot.com/2012/06/top-11-most-disturbing-mlpfim-fandoms-1.html  And the number two spot as well:  http://blamethe1st.blogspot.com/2012/06/top-11-most-disturbing-mlpfim-fandoms-2.html for a fanfic where the Cutie Mark Crusaders are tortured raped and killed.
And he put it as number 1 on the sequel list:  http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Top-13-Even-More-Disturbing-MLP-FiM-Fan-Works-1-412432964 so nevermind then..

That is, until you remember this entire little bit is effectively a rip off of Nostalgia Critic's top 11 lists, which means he's more or less making light of them, while flipping out about the sexual stuff all at once.  Sounds like more serious issues.  Should the economy ever get better, he might would to use some of his extra scratch to pay for a psychiatrist.

(On an unrelated note this makes me wonder just how many anti-furry internet trolls are also closet furries.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 26, 2012, 03:20:58 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on July 24, 2012, 02:08:30 AM
On this vid of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM9xqTONr5g&lc=-qN3HweZps3dBPVjQXT-8XnY4qI3WJkwk0oOi2vZreM&feature=inbox
swu880 had this very strange thing to say.

"Lordthawkeye empiricism is not really all that great. It is self contradictory for a number of reasons namely because of its very premises.

Real knowledge can only be derived from Logic & Reasoning.

See

watch?v=MWaGF4GZvTg

Hans hoppe does a critique on empiricism and "fact/study grubbers""


....what?  [yt]G2y8Sx4B2Sk[/yt]


My response
"

Yeah, who needs facts and studies right? ...right?

yeah...

Logic is neccessary but not sufficient. Observe

"I had steak for breakfast this morning."

This statement IS logical and consistent.  It's also wrong."


I have to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's just mistaken about what empericism means but it's still a fail quote.

I just checked your video's comment sections.  Christ, this guy STILL keeps blowing his load of stupid all over your comment section.
I stopped reading after he got all smug and told you to "prove that wearing green shirts doesn't cause fires"
*facepalms*  Shifting the burden of proof.   He might has well ask an atheist to prove "God doesn't exist!"  He *is* aware that you can't prove a negative (at least not that kind of negative) right?  Again, some 10 seconds of research would have told him.
You'd think someone so big on "logic" or whatever word he uses for the shit he pulls wouldn't make such a basic, elementary error.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 26, 2012, 08:27:55 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 26, 2012, 01:50:11 PM
(On an unrelated note this makes me wonder just how many anti-furry internet trolls are also closet furries.)

A lot are just furries who like to piss off other furries from what I hear.

I'm working on Blamethe1st.  He doesn't shun me for being an anarchist so I figure I can make him see the light.  His religiousity honestly doesn't bother me as I consider religion inane.  I'm with Raymond Dundas when he said "I would live in a free society full of fundamentalist christians over a secular society with a welfare state ANY day of the week."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 27, 2012, 02:27:32 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on July 26, 2012, 08:27:55 PMA lot are just furries who like to piss off other furries from what I hear.
Figures.

Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on July 26, 2012, 08:27:55 PMI'm working on Blamethe1st.  He doesn't shun me for being an anarchist so I figure I can make him see the light.  His religiosity honestly doesn't bother me as I consider religion inane.  I'm with Raymond Dundas when he said "I would live in a free society full of fundamentalist Christians over a secular society with a welfare state ANY day of the week."
It's not his religiosity per se that bothers me; so much as his use of religion to justify laws, however implicitly--see Embryonic Stem Cell Research.
To be fair, if I misread what he said, I'll retract it, but otherwise, that's my primary concern here.

And as I said to you in AIM, don't get me wrong, despite all the less than positive things I have posted about him here, I do generally think he is a cool dude.  I wouldn't have posted the positive things (see the image about Europe's so called "Austerity cuts" in fav quotes) from him if I thought otherwise.  Same for the fail video from franks2732 hypocritically belittling both BlameThe1st and Anarcho Capitalism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 27, 2012, 08:31:01 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 12, 2010, 12:19:19 AM
I don't know how but it seems liberals have a bad habit of taking a lot of things in life for granted.  That's why they take on this absurd "bash capitalism while reaping the benefits of it and try to stop any progress you can just as long as you can still get lattes" stance.

Worse yet is when you get examples like the quote above of "We care...as long as you believe as we do."
While at the same time having the nerve to post stupid bullshit about how *we're* the hypocrites for accepting government services...that we didn't have much choice of because all the other options were taxed, regulated, and/or legislated away.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 27, 2012, 08:37:11 AM
I've seen this before on a screencap from 4chan (of all places) before, but someone posted it on Facebook.

QuoteThis morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy.
I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. Then, I brushed my teeth with that water, filtered to standards set by the EPA and my state.
After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.
At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank and printed by the Federal Bureau of Engraving and Printing. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.
I park my car on the street, paved and maintained by the Department of Transportation, and put quarters issued by the United States Mint into the parking meter.
Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, I drive back to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and the fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.
I then log onto the Internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM is BAD because the government can't do anything right. Keep government out of business!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 27, 2012, 08:43:20 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 06, 2010, 06:24:44 AM
The second sentence is fail, too. First of all, there is no such thing as a "greenhouse gas." The carbon gases (like carbon dioxide and methane) increase the heat index of the atmosphere, which is why increased concentration raise global temperatures. Water vapor doesn't work like that. When it's in the form of humidity, it allows the atmosphere to hold in more radiation, which warms it, but when it's in the form of clouds, it increases the albedo, reflecting away more radiation, having the opposite effect. Also, water vapor is very good at staying at equilibrium--the water cycle removes new water in the atmosphere quickly, while carbon gases can stay in the atmosphere for upwards of a thousand years. Increased concentrations of those results in a new, higher equilibrium; not so with water vapor.

I've been looking for this comment of yours for ages.  I KNEW you said somewhere that the heat index of the atmosphere had a role in Climate Change.  :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 27, 2012, 11:06:10 AM
Oh, you know this is going to be a fail: http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-4-most-meaningless-arguments-against-gun-control/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 27, 2012, 12:49:10 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 27, 2012, 11:06:10 AM
Oh, you know this is going to be a fail: http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-4-most-meaningless-arguments-against-gun-control/

I'll sum up the fail for you:

Guns DO kill (along with people)
Guns are made to kill, that's what they're meant for, so that's their only purpose
Guns can never, ever, ever, ever be used defensively (wherein he strawmans the argument, gives only a nodding (and misleading) representation of Kleck's study, and for disputation links to a paper that relies on TIM FUCKING LAMBERT of all people)
Constitutions can change whenever we want them to and are invalid if they're too old
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 27, 2012, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 27, 2012, 12:49:10 PM
I'll sum up the fail for you:

Guns DO kill (along with people)
Guns are made to kill, that's what they're meant for, so that's their only purpose
Guns can never, ever, ever, ever be used defensively (wherein he strawmans the argument, gives only a nodding (and misleading) representation of Kleck's study, and for disputation links to a paper that relies on TIM FUCKING LAMBERT of all people)
Constitutions can change whenever we want them to and are invalid if they're too old

it's official: the guy who wrote this is a dumbass.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 27, 2012, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 27, 2012, 12:49:10 PM
I'll sum up the fail for you:

Guns DO kill (along with people)
Guns are made to kill, that's what they're meant for, so that's their only purpose
Guns can never, ever, ever, ever be used defensively (wherein he strawmans the argument, gives only a nodding (and misleading) representation of Kleck's study, and for disputation links to a paper that relies on TIM FUCKING LAMBERT of all people)
Constitutions can change whenever we want them to and are invalid if they're too old

Tim Lambert?  Is there something I should know about him?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 27, 2012, 03:22:20 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 27, 2012, 02:47:04 PM
Tim Lambert?  Is there something I should know about him?

I think he's a climatologist, but however good he may be in his field he's a woo when he talks about gun control. His big thing that supposedly makes Kleck's data meaningless is the number of people wounded by a gun owner defending himself or others.

Here are the numbers as I remember them: of 4,997 people surveyed, 222 reported using a gun defensively in the past year, and 17 claimed to have wounded their attacker. So Lambert says that if you extract that to the full population, it translates to about 200,000 would-be criminals wounded by a gun-toting defender.

Some basic statistics: Surveys aren't considered scientific until you get more than 400 or so respondents. There's a formula for minimum margin of error, which is ±1/√n, where n is the sample size. So for a sample size of 4,997, the minimum margin of error is ±1/4997=1.4% (the actual MoE is bigger due to various effects Kleck mentions, but that isn't relevant here). So we can extrapolate from those 222 cases with a good degree of accuracy.

What you CAN'T do is then divide that 222 down into subgroups, because it's below the 400 needed for good sampling. Kleck himself acknowledges this, and cautions against ANY such division (as would anyone who's taken basic statistics). Kleck would have had to survey something like 10,000 people to get the 400+ DGUs he needed to do this.

This has been explained to Tim Lambert, by MANY people, including myself on three occasions, once on the JREF forum, once on MySpace, and again on Facebook a couple of years ago. He REFUSES to listen to reason.

Even if he is right in looking at subcategories, it still doesn't help him. Remember that this figure is from just 17 sample cases! That translates to only 0.3% of the population! Using the formula above, the minimum uncertainty is ±1.4%, meaning that these 17 sample cases are NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT! NO conclusion can be drawn from them as the number is considered to be so inaccurate it's meaningless!

Again, this has been pointed out to him again and again, by myself and others. Even today, he steadfastly refuses to acknowledge his hideous blunder and insists that this figure shows Kleck's survey to be bogus. I don't know much about climatology, but I'd wager that statistics plays a huge role in it, so him not knowing this is inexcusable!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 27, 2012, 04:03:27 PM
OK, thanks.
I have some thoughts on this.

Something that rose a red flag from the get go is his extrapolation of the entire population.  What?  So in his world, do infants, toddlers and people in comas use guns to wound would be attackers?

Also, even IF all the statistical issues WEREN'T present, that's less than 10% of people who used a gun defensibly wounding their attackers.  To me, that sounds like a 90% reduction in woundings over all just looking at those alone.  Not too bad if you ask me.

I fail to see how 200,000 wounded would be attackers is a BAD thing.  As stated above, that just comes to me as that many prevented crimes.  Unless he can prove that it wasn't done by necessity (He can't.), he has no justification for making that out as a bad thing.

Finally, remember your Bastiat:  consider both the seen and the unseen.  How many would be criminal encounters have never occurred because the would be perps were afraid of their would be victim having a gun to defend themselves with?  I recall Hawkeye pointing out that the best statistics show that, for every person murdered from a gun, 7-10 crimes are prevented by a gun (or something like that).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 27, 2012, 04:20:15 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 27, 2012, 04:03:27 PMAlso, even IF all the statistical issues WEREN'T present, that's less than 10% of people who used a gun defensibly wounding their attackers.  To me, that sounds like a 90% reduction in woundings over all just looking at those alone.  Not too bad if you ask me.

Except that we have no way of knowing what would have happened absent the gun. If it had been a robbery, for example, the person may have just allowed the robber to take their stuff without being physically wounded.

QuoteI fail to see how 200,000 wounded would be attackers is a BAD thing.

His argument is that they should have shown up in hospitals with gun wounds to be treated, and the numbers don't support that amount.

QuoteHow many would be criminal encounters have never occurred because the would be perps were afraid of their would be victim having a gun to defend themselves with?

Of course, Kleck didn't even TRY to count that--there's no way that he could.

QuoteI recall Hawkeye pointing out that the best statistics show that, for every person murdered from a gun, 7-10 crimes are prevented by a gun (or something like that).

I believe that's based on Kleck's data, although Hawkeye can speak for himself on that one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 27, 2012, 05:03:57 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 27, 2012, 04:20:15 PMExcept that we have no way of knowing what would have happened absent the gun. If it had been a robbery, for example, the person may have just allowed the robber to take their stuff without being physically wounded.
That's true.  When I said "thoughts on this" I meant upon just reading it that moment.  Either way, it would still serve as a deterrent to future would-be criminals.
EDIT:  Something else important is that is also works both ways.  If the perp had decided to kill the victim to get rid of witnesses then it would have changed an initiation of force--murder to a defensive wounding.

Quote from: MrBogosity on July 27, 2012, 04:20:15 PMHis argument is that they should have shown up in hospitals with gun wounds to be treated, and the numbers don't support that amount.
And is a broken window fallacy.  If there were no guns in the hands of non-criminals, you'd like see either that many noncriminals in the hospital to have gun, knife, or whatever wounds treated.  Plus them having to take time off from their paying jobs that the criminals likely don't have to recover and/or get therapy.

Quote from: MrBogosity on July 27, 2012, 04:20:15 PMOf course, Kleck didn't even TRY to count that--there's no way that he could.
This is true.  I'm speaking more generally than just the study itself.

Quote from: MrBogosity on July 27, 2012, 04:20:15 PMI believe that's based on Kleck's data, although Hawkeye can speak for himself on that one.
Indeed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 27, 2012, 11:13:37 PM
Wayne Allyn Root once again doing his best to embarrass Libertarians

Quote
"I'd call a party insane that believes in smaller government...but wants to let in ANYONE...almost all of whom want free handouts, free education, free healthcare, welfare, food stamps, housing allowances, and don't even want to feed their children for breakfast and lunch.
>
> Amazing.
>
> In case you don't know...Obama has teamed with Prez of Mexico to spread word among MEXICANS to tell their relatives who are illegally in U.S. they should apply for food stamps."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 28, 2012, 03:42:25 AM
I swear, it's bad enough statists constantly throwing the "you're just republicans HUR DER" at us.  Really, if W.A.R. want to help the cause of freedom so badly, he'd switch to the other side.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 28, 2012, 03:49:45 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 28, 2012, 03:42:25 AM
I swear, it's bad enough statists constantly throwing the "you're just republicans HUR DER" at us.  Really, if W.A.R. want to help the cause of freedom so badly, he'd switch to the other side.

instead they go on their own WARpath...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 28, 2012, 05:10:46 AM
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I found this on the Mises Institute Forum's Freedom Images thread.  The guy said to show it to liberals anytime they accuse you of being racist.  Upon reading the description and watching the first five minutes of it...well...yeah.
Let me put it this way:  the original link to the video posted on the thread led to an error saying the video was removed due to hate speech.  Not off to a stellar start.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 28, 2012, 05:13:44 AM
And while I'm on the subject of Mises Institute Forum fails:

[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/19VIh.jpg)[/spoiler]

Yes, that was posted as a "pro-freedom" image. *facepalms*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 28, 2012, 05:18:09 AM
Last fail from the M.I.F. (for now at least):

[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/kMTS9.jpg)[/spoiler]

To be fair, I'm not sure about this one, as the OP provided no other citation or context.

EDIT 1:  I found the original work it came from:  http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block175.html
Would anyone say that the above is a fail? either?

EDIT 2: And I already found a red flag.  A contradiction in the above text.  From number 3:  "Two wrongs cannot make a right, and neither can one right and one wrong. So, I deduce, it was entirely proper for Danneskjold to relieve the evil government depicted in Atlas of its stolen property, even if he did not give a penny of it to Reardon. Taking money from a thief is an unadulterated good deed. Returning it to victims is virtuous, too, but it is supererogatory: it is not needed to convert the first part of this double-stage act into righteousness; the first part is good in and of itself!"
So to steal is wrong, but to steal something back is moral?  Oh dearie...I don't even want to go into the issues with that.
Even moreso is the fact that his entire point here is just baldly asserted with the occasional emotional appeal; and not actually proven.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 28, 2012, 05:40:15 AM
If anyone wonders why I seem to be in a tissy in my above post it's because I, myself, am in a similar situation for various reasons. >_<
I'm not proud of it.  Quite the contrary, but...gods.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 28, 2012, 06:08:01 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 28, 2012, 05:13:44 AM
And while I'm on the subject of Mises Institute Forum fails:

[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/19VIh.jpg)[/spoiler]

Yes, that was posted as a "pro-freedom" image. *facepalms*

I'm not sure if it's actually a fail, just hard to interpret.  I note that even Lincoln, Nixon, Kennedy and Bush are looking on with apparent disapproval, while the approvers appear to include Clinton and both Roosevelts (at least, they're the ones clapping, even if they appear to be looking at the space beside Obama).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 28, 2012, 06:21:29 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 28, 2012, 06:08:01 AM
I'm not sure if it's actually a fail, just hard to interpret.  I note that even Lincoln, Nixon, Kennedy and Bush are looking on with apparent disapproval, while the approvers appear to include Clinton and both Roosevelts (at least, they're the ones clapping, even if they appear to be looking at the space beside Obama).

The fail is from (at first glance for me anyways), making it look like the only president to "stamp out" the constitution is Obama.  Anyone who thinks that hasn't been paying attention for the past 200+ years.
And if what you say is accurate, it doesn't help.  Hell, Nixon and Bush weren't exactly constitutional upholders, and I doubt Kennedy was either.

It also doesn't help that the piece was made by the same guy who did #2 on this list:  http://www.cracked.com/article_19947_the-11-most-unintentionally-hilarious-religious-paintings_p2.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 28, 2012, 07:34:20 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 28, 2012, 06:21:29 AM
The fail is from (at first glance for me anyways), making it look like the only president to "stamp out" the constitution is Obama.  Anyone who thinks that hasn't been paying attention for the past 200+ years.
And if what you say is accurate, it doesn't help.  Hell, Nixon and Bush weren't exactly constitutional upholders, and I doubt Kennedy was either.

It also doesn't help that the piece was made by the same guy who did #2 on this list:  http://www.cracked.com/article_19947_the-11-most-unintentionally-hilarious-religious-paintings_p2.html

Looks like most of the figures (approving or not) aren't even noticing the Constitution being ground underfoot (although Thomas Jefferson is), but most are gesturing towards the despairing man sitting on the bench which Obama and his approvers are studiously ignoring.

Certainly no President has been much concerned with the Constitution since (at the very latest) Andrew Jackson, but that may be a secondary point.  The utter disregard for the problems of real people seems to be a greater point in the painting.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 28, 2012, 07:40:19 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 28, 2012, 06:21:29 AM
The fail is from (at first glance for me anyways), making it look like the only president to "stamp out" the constitution is Obama.  Anyone who thinks that hasn't been paying attention for the past 200+ years.
And if what you say is accurate, it doesn't help.  Hell, Nixon and Bush weren't exactly constitutional upholders, and I doubt Kennedy was either.

And Lincoln certainly wasn't!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 28, 2012, 07:49:07 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 28, 2012, 07:40:19 AM
And Lincoln certainly wasn't!
Shit.  I forgot to add him.  Oh well. Thanks for pointing that out.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 28, 2012, 07:55:41 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 28, 2012, 05:40:15 AM
If anyone wonders why I seem to be in a tissy in my above post it's because I, myself, am in a similar situation for various reasons. >_<
I'm not proud of it.  Quite the contrary, but...gods.

So what is your take on this?  Are libertarians who accept state aid, or state jobs hypocrites, or bad, etc?  Why/why not?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 28, 2012, 08:16:50 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 28, 2012, 07:55:41 AM
So what is your take on this?  Are libertarians who accept state aid, or state jobs hypocrites, or bad, etc?  Why/why not?

If you're forced into the system, and therefore have to put up with the disadvantages, why would it be bad to benefit from what advantages remain? I mean, you drive on the roads, don't you? People who say that are just making excuses.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 28, 2012, 11:49:02 AM
Deny someone alternatives then call them hypocrites for not choosing those alternatives kinda makes YOU the hypocrite if anything.

As for the gun thing, it was mentioned by John Stossel.  Sadly it's a rough guess because there's no way to know for sure since no one reports crimes that didn't happen.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 28, 2012, 02:11:58 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on July 28, 2012, 11:49:02 AM
Deny someone alternatives then call them hypocrites for not choosing those alternatives kinda makes YOU the hypocrite if anything.

As for the gun thing, it was mentioned by John Stossel.  Sadly it's a rough guess because there's no way to know for sure since no one reports crimes that didn't happen.

The standard approach is usually to try to match areas for as many of the socioeconomic factors that normally seem to act as crime predictors as possible and see what differences you get.

Here's one that's always fun to bring up:  Canada is significantly more dangerous to live in than the US.  Overall, every category of violent crime except murder (which has special circumstances in the US) is higher in Canada, and the effect is even more pronounced when you compare socioeconomically similar areas.

The special circumstances of murder in the US is that a large portion of murders in the US are related to the illegal drug trade.  Why should it be different than in Canada, which also has an illegal drug trade?  Well, Canada doesn't fight drugs nearly as hard as the US, so there's less perceived risk, and less money involved.  Less money means less interest from criminals, which means less competition, and fewer conflicts.  Why do US drug traffickers kill each other?  It comes down, mostly, to drugs, money, and turf.  The three basic sources of conflict between all merchants, everywhere, and at all times:  Product, money, and territory.  Since the drug trade itself is illegal, those involved have no recourse to the courts or other legal venues to settle their differences, and the scale of the money involved and the rapidity with which it is made tends to promote a desire for a RAPID removal of business opposition, so they kill each other over any substantial conflict.  If it wasn't illegal, there would not only be less money (and so much less motivation for the violence) but there would be legal remedies available for those conflicts that do occur, so illegal ones would be much less desirable.

Here's the really interesting part:  When you take out the parts of US inner cities that are the most damaged by the war on (some) drugs (which have no real corresponding areas in Canada), the murder rate in the US drops below that of Canada.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 28, 2012, 08:40:42 PM
Wow. Just wow.

[yt]wEA2BPuDsbs[/yt]

The whole video is fail, but the staggeringly unbelievable levels of failosity start at 3:42.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 29, 2012, 12:32:11 AM
If you told me that vid was a parody, I'd believe you.  wow...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 29, 2012, 02:43:05 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 28, 2012, 07:34:20 AMCertainly no President has been much concerned with the Constitution since (at the very latest) Andrew Jackson, but that may be a secondary point.  The utter disregard for the problems of real people seems to be a greater point in the painting.

hell, even Jackson had his supreme moments of fail...well, douchebaggery, but still.

Frankly, the Constitution has been pissed on one way or another since just after the ink was dried. And to my mind, almost every president--if not every--has violated it one way or another--either deliberately, or otherwise.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 29, 2012, 03:13:56 AM
"Intentions are everything, since you are saying why was an action good for one economy and bad for another. It was the intention of the action, so that in an economy not requiring stimuation since it was at full capacity, additional cash in circulation would have a de-stabilising effect through increased inflationary pressures. Rationing was actually about re-directed supply. If you think the real inflation number is actually hyper-infaltionary, do you have some research showing the real number?" --asianlife53 in the comments of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uphOME8b8Y)

If that boldface part isn't a fail, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 29, 2012, 03:21:35 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 28, 2012, 08:40:42 PM
Wow. Just wow.

[yt]wEA2BPuDsbs[/yt]

The whole video is fail, but the staggeringly unbelievable levels of failosity start at 3:42.

>> Calls libertarians a 'cult of Rand' in the video description.
>> Disables video ratings.

The hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 29, 2012, 04:28:42 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 28, 2012, 07:34:20 AM
Looks like most of the figures (approving or not) aren't even noticing the Constitution being ground underfoot (although Thomas Jefferson is), but most are gesturing towards the despairing man sitting on the bench which Obama and his approvers are studiously ignoring.

Certainly no President has been much concerned with the Constitution since (at the very latest) Andrew Jackson, but that may be a secondary point.  The utter disregard for the problems of real people seems to be a greater point in the painting.

Something that I would take more seriously if I had not seen some of the artist's other work; e.g. the piece I just linked you to...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 29, 2012, 07:59:19 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on July 29, 2012, 12:32:11 AM
If you told me that vid was a parody, I'd believe you.  wow...

It's not. Read the comments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 29, 2012, 08:04:47 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 29, 2012, 03:21:35 AM
>> Calls libertarians a 'cult of Rand' in the video description.
>> Disables video ratings.

The hypocrisy is strong with this one.

Don't forget deleting comments, even ones he's replied to!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 29, 2012, 08:50:56 AM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/480816_403728559686282_1399233686_n.jpg)

Conspiracy theorists believe that the Colorado shooting was a conspiracy and that there are two different "James Holmes."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 29, 2012, 08:55:34 AM
Quote from: D on July 29, 2012, 08:50:56 AM
Conspiracy theorists believe that the Colorado shooting was a conspiracy and that there are two different "James Holmes."

In fairness, I ran into some who were convinced otherwise after people told them to look into a mirror and smile and see what happens to their nose. It really does change shape like that!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 29, 2012, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 29, 2012, 08:55:34 AM
In fairness, I ran into some who were convinced otherwise after people told them to look into a mirror and smile and see what happens to their nose. It really does change shape like that!

You don't even have to smile.  Just flare your nostrils, which people commonly do when they want to maximize the good feeling of the moment.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 29, 2012, 11:03:15 AM
"Congress isn't very popular, and it does not help they're always bullying the only black kid." -- Stephen Colbert
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 29, 2012, 11:22:21 AM
Quote from: D on July 29, 2012, 11:03:15 AM
“Congress isn’t very popular, and it does not help they’re always bullying the only black kid.” -- Stephen Colbert

Which "only black kid" is he referring to? John Conyers? Charlie Rangel? Maxine Waters? Jim Clyburn? Ed Towns? John Lewis? [fade out as names keep being read...]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 29, 2012, 03:57:30 PM
The National Atheist Party (http://www.usanap.org/documents/charter.html/7/)

They're basically a bunch of democrats who want to act like they're not democrats.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 29, 2012, 04:52:30 PM
A fail from the end of OKCupid.com's "The Politics Test":
"Higher permissiveness, on either axis, indicates a "live and let live" philosophy. Of course, we're almost conditioned in America, "Land of the Free", to think positively of such a philosophy. But practically speaking, permissiviness (or its opposite, regulation) can create any number of outcomes:

For example, on the economic axis, a highly permissive system, like the American system of the early 1900s, might mean things like low taxes and increased scientific innovation. It might also result, as it did back then, in unrestricted child labor and millions of poor people with black lung.

At the other end of the economic spectrum, a highly regulated system might conserve the environment, establish national health care, and eliminate poverty. But as we've learned from the Soviet system, extreme regulation can also lead to stagnation, sameness, and unhappiness. "

"Unrestricted child labor" existed LONG before economic permissiveness (read: freedom) existed to any large degree.  And the working conditions IMPROVED, as people went from back BREAKING work on farms to back ACHING work in factories and mines.  gotta love the ivory tower nirvana fallacy--and outright lie--they pull here.

"A highly regulated system...might conserve the environment" bullshit.  Government is the world's biggest polluter, even if you don't count war--which you totally should. "Establish national health care" which in turns kills because of the waiting lines and decreased innovation...yet this idiot says that like it's a good thing... "and eliminate poverty" only in the sense that EVERYONE save for the political elite are equally poor, so you can call that shit standard that most have "middle class".  If that's not what they meant by 'eliminate poverty", then what else can I say, but: [Citation needed]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 29, 2012, 08:57:20 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/538984_262852097164264_1777684048_n.jpg)

Simply calling this malicious whore a vile cunt wouldn't do the bitch justice.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 29, 2012, 10:33:35 PM
she's clearly in the "halimmu ila ash-shamaatah!" crowd....

seriously, nobody deserved to get jail-raped. And certainly no one deserves to be made fun of.for having been raped.

and the stupid part--which is saying quite a bit? one could use her very argument to find rape jokes in general to be "funny" and "sexy". That is if they are so sickly inclined. want context, like she mentioned was always available for prison rape? well one could say: "this bitch was wearing tight clothes! She was asking for it! teehee!".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 30, 2012, 04:37:07 AM
Quote from: D on July 29, 2012, 08:57:20 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/538984_262852097164264_1777684048_n.jpg)

Simply calling this malicious whore a vile cunt wouldn't do the bitch justice.

And yet if the situation was changed to a man saying the same thing about women in, say, Saudi Arabia (or wherever) and adding that he's "glad she gets punished and held at fault for being raped; the shank totally deserved it for forcing that poor man to lose control" everyone would have lost their shit.
Fucking double standards.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 30, 2012, 09:56:36 AM
Paul Krugman (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/27/opinion/money-for-nothing.html?_r=2)

QuoteNow, those with a vested interest in the fiscal crisis story have made various attempts to explain away the failure of that crisis to materialize. One favorite is the claim that the Federal Reserve is keeping interest rates artificially low by buying government bonds. But that theory was put to the test last summer when the Fed temporarily suspended bond purchases. Many people — including Bill Gross of the giant bond fund Pimco — predicted a rate spike. Nothing happened.

It seems like every time the man opens his mouth he spews fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on July 30, 2012, 03:21:17 PM
"Free energy has been around since Tesla. Look up Scalar technology. Oil has been obsolete for 100 years... Almost the entire length of the 20th century auto boom. Scalar also manipulate weather (HAARP) and can power Spacecraft; like discs... Very interesting stuff. Don't believe me? Look up combat weather in the Air Force's AFSC booklet." Some moron named Joseph Hawthorne.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 30, 2012, 05:45:01 PM
(http://media.reason.com/mc/_external/2012_07/omgwtfnhs.jpg?h=229&w=400)

Yes, you are seeing that right. That is a ceremony at the 2012 Olympics that is paying tribute to the NHS.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 01, 2012, 10:07:13 AM
[yt]GOgV6Fvc8wc[/yt]

Making a blatant Godwin's law fallacy.

He actually compares anyone who is against Israel in their conflict to Nazis.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 01, 2012, 11:27:31 AM
Well since it hasn't been brought up yet, let's add the comments by Frank in this video:
[yt]1n1TJnSJTYg[/yt]

The most egregious comment of all is:
QuoteKilling is not bad
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 01, 2012, 12:21:38 PM
Quote from: D on August 01, 2012, 11:27:31 AM
Well since it hasn't been brought up yet, let's add the comments by Frank in this video:
[yt]1n1TJnSJTYg[/yt]

The most egregious comment of all is:

I think you meant to say, "All comments left by Frank and njanovic" are fail.
And yes, I nearly did a double take when I saw him say that "Killing is not bad".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 01, 2012, 03:54:09 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 01, 2012, 12:21:38 PM
I think you meant to say, "All comments left by Frank and njanovic" are fail.
And yes, I nearly did a double take when I saw him say that "Killing is not bad".

And now FSAthe1st has reared his ugly head, mostly continuing to insist that he's not the homophobic bigot he so clearly is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 01, 2012, 04:11:38 PM
Quote from: D on July 29, 2012, 08:57:20 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/538984_262852097164264_1777684048_n.jpg)

Simply calling this malicious whore a vile cunt wouldn't do the bitch justice.
She sounds like the people that think there's too much fuzz being made about male circumcision since it's just a small "snip"snip" and men are just being sissies.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 01, 2012, 04:14:23 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 01, 2012, 03:54:09 PM
And now FSAthe1st has reared his ugly head, mostly continuing to insist that he's not the homophobic bigot he so clearly is.

Best not dwell on it too much I say since technically it doesn't make him more or less wrong about politics and philosophy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 01, 2012, 04:59:04 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 01, 2012, 03:54:09 PM
And now FSAthe1st has reared his ugly head, mostly continuing to insist that he's not the homophobic bigot he so clearly is.

Although at some point I'll actually make some videos, and I'm sure he'll prattle something in the comments, and then we can have a conversation about whether I should treat him the way he ways he should be treated, or whether I should treat him like he's not a total hypocrite.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 01, 2012, 08:11:22 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 01, 2012, 04:14:23 PM
Best not dwell on it too much I say since technically it doesn't make him more or less wrong about politics and philosophy.

Hard to do when he won't leave me the fuck alone.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 01, 2012, 08:50:13 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 01, 2012, 08:11:22 PM
Hard to do when he won't leave me the fuck alone.

borderline harassment to full harassment I take it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 01, 2012, 10:07:25 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 01, 2012, 08:11:22 PM
Hard to do when he won't leave me the fuck alone.

Well as I pointed out to him, he's in no position to cry about it since he's all too ready to hurl baseless accusations like anyone who doesn't support the NHS hates the poor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 01, 2012, 11:30:36 PM
From the following video's comment section: [yt]1n1TJnSJTYg[/yt]

Every single comment left by FSAthe1st.
How many years has he been harassing Shane?  As I told him in the comments, he really needs to get a life.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 02, 2012, 04:48:30 PM
It sucks having Obamaton parents.

My mom in response to hearing an anti-Obama, pro Romney ad playing during the Olympics:
"Obama has been awesome.  He's fixed/been fixing healthcare which has been eating up, devasting the middle class!
As for economic issues?  ALL countries have been having that problem, so don't tell me it's Obama's fault."

With dad nodding along and giving his two cents.

Then something about an ad from Romney in 2002 (lolwut?)

I wonder if they're aware that "Obamacare" is just Romneycare--the nationalized version and so on.
Or that, policy wise, Obama and Romney are identical.  I don't care what he says in his ads, I judge him on what he does.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 02, 2012, 05:04:53 PM
And speaking of epic fail:

"American's want their cake and eat it too. Citizens fight for their right to own a large weapons cache in their homes, but complain that the police have effective weapons. If police use tasers, they are in the wrong. If they use guns, they are in the wrong. If they use a helicopter, they are in the wrong. And when they fail to protect people because they've been too limited in their authority, people complain. How sad." --InvisiMan2006 in the comments of this video:

[yt]m1PTcLhtTZw[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on August 02, 2012, 09:34:47 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 02, 2012, 05:04:53 PM
And speaking of epic fail:

"American's want their cake and eat it too. Citizens fight for their right to own a large weapons cache in their homes, but complain that the police have effective weapons. If police use tasers, they are in the wrong. If they use guns, they are in the wrong. If they use a helicopter, they are in the wrong. And when they fail to protect people because they've been too limited in their authority, people complain. How sad." --InvisiMan2006 in the comments of this video:

[yt]m1PTcLhtTZw[/yt]

Notice the goal post shift from people owning to cops using.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 02, 2012, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on August 02, 2012, 09:34:47 PM
Notice the goal post shift from people owning to cops using.

Don't forget that police armories are one of the principle sources of illegally circulating firearms in the US.  Giving the police military-type guns will only make them more available to criminals.  (They already are, of course, since military armories are the source of similar numbers of guns in the hands of criminals, but putting them in more leaky storage areas won't help matters.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 03, 2012, 03:49:36 PM
This douchebag (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1226769&postcount=14)

QuoteRacism? I didn't see anything in that article about anyone being of a specific color or race. A 12 year old getting tased is not that dramatic guys. I've seen it plenty of times, now I just find it hilarious
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 04, 2012, 08:21:09 AM
[yt]JZYsYtX1Za0[/yt]

Holy shit...the video description says it all: "In this post 9/11 world we live in, we must ask...have the policies of President Obama made us safer from terrorist attacks? His administration is shrinking our military, dismantling our intelligence sector, all but abandoned Israel.

Does this administration's policies make you feel secure?"

As Morrakiu stated (not a fail):  "He never closed Guantanamo, you rethuglican sacks of shit. Obama is just as horrible as republicans."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 04, 2012, 08:24:45 AM
And from the comments of the above video: "Bush(Republican got all the info necessary from WATER BOARDING to track OBL down so are SEALS could kill him. OLIAR just said YES after he SAID NO TWICE BEFORE, duhhhh"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 04, 2012, 09:10:05 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 04, 2012, 08:21:09 AMHoly shit...the video description says it all: "In this post 9/11 world we live in, we must ask...have the policies of President Obama made us safer from terrorist attacks? His administration is shrinking our military, dismantling our intelligence sector, all but abandoned Israel.

Yeah, right, he "shrank" our military from $730 billion to $903 billion!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 04, 2012, 10:05:56 AM
Njanovic PM's me with more of his vids, says don't respond to the PM, it will be deleted and if I don't respond, he'll consider it an act of cowardice on my part.

Arrogant little shit...nobody makes demands of me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 04, 2012, 10:12:23 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 04, 2012, 10:05:56 AM
Njanovic PM's me with more of his vids, says don't respond to the PM, it will be deleted and if I don't respond, he'll consider it an act of cowardice on my part.

Arrogant little shit...nobody makes demands of me.

especially two faced borderline contradictory ones.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 04, 2012, 10:00:33 PM
I think this photo needs no explanation


(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/427277_10151978409000710_1069537950_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 04, 2012, 11:48:35 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on August 04, 2012, 10:00:33 PM
I think this photo needs no explanation


(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/427277_10151978409000710_1069537950_n.jpg)

Holy facking shizznit!

That is like...epic mega fail there.  It's like listening to a YEC/Fundamentalist Christian go on about how, "rainbows, puppy dog smiles, the sun...etc. etc etc...were ALL created by God!  It is ALL evidence that He exists!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 04, 2012, 11:53:03 PM
IKR? I mean, trade agreements? As if people wouldn't trade without two big mobs with guns saying "Yeah we allow it"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 05, 2012, 12:03:20 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 04, 2012, 11:53:03 PMIKR? I mean, trade agreements? As if people wouldn't trade without two big mobs with guns saying "Yeah we allow it"?

I'll say.  Given the stupidity with our electric provider (co-op) and the prices, my jaw dropped in disbelief at his saying that they're awesome!
And not the mention so much of the stuff on that image--if not ALL of it--has been debunked so many times as to be ridiculous.
Gov't made internet like the guy who made a square wheel invented the car!  And the police thing?  Well, if you believe them going around busting into people's homes and making a mess of the place (if not killing the people outright) and murdering their dog because of the bogus war on drugs, tasing a 12 year old girl and murdering an innocent 16 year old counts as keeping raiding bandits or whatever away.  To name a few.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 05, 2012, 02:21:56 PM
Where do these infant pinheads think tax money comes from?  Santa Claus?  It's really embarrassing that I have to explain this to people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 06, 2012, 10:29:59 AM
"what exactly is the difference between 'logical examination' and opinion?" -- Richard Blackmore (https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=8mu8Z-E-BrI)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 06, 2012, 08:56:21 PM
We've got another one:

[yt]-mXmZSSKSbw[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 07, 2012, 03:22:20 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 06, 2012, 08:56:21 PM
We've got another one:

[yt]-mXmZSSKSbw[/yt]

you should check out the cunt commenting in the comments section:

yes, it's that Frank dude.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 07, 2012, 04:35:48 PM
"It is absolutely impossible to transcend the laws of nature." -- Karl Marx
Unless those laws happen to be from economics, apparently.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on August 07, 2012, 04:40:47 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on August 07, 2012, 03:22:20 AM
you should check out the cunt commenting in the comments section:

yes, it's that Frank dude.

Add in Etzel33. Even more impressive is his website. http://www.libertyamerica.us/ (http://www.libertyamerica.us/) It calls for military "withdrawl" and even though he claims he's been a Libertarian for 30 years it says he supports medicare for all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 07, 2012, 04:44:12 PM
"In bourgeois society capital is independent and has individuality, while the living person is dependent and has no individuality."--Karl Marx
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 07, 2012, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 07, 2012, 04:44:12 PM
Another post to make it easier to digest, but something else she went on about was the huge surge of young people (teens and early 20s) who have adult onset diabetes.  She claims she saw it on the news (because as we all know, the news is SO objective, right?)

Well, there is a third type of Diabetes mellitus called Mature Onset Diabetes of the Young (MODY) which has a genetic predisposition and manifests like traditional Adult-Onset Diabetes but at a much younger age than is typical of that condition (turning up in the teens or early twenties instead of middle thirties or later).  It's not all that common, but the two main forms pretty much never get diagnosed in this age group, so it can look like kind of a lot of cases if you only compare it to other forms of diabetes being diagnosed at that age (and how often do news media, especially TV news, do anything resembling sane reporting of statistics, outside of reading the disclaimer from the polling firm on political polls).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 08, 2012, 06:35:01 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 06, 2012, 08:56:21 PM
We've got another one:

[yt]-mXmZSSKSbw[/yt]

Holy shit, reading through the comments section was just brutal. I didn't even bother watching the video, the comments alone nearly made me consider suicide.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 08, 2012, 07:16:28 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on August 07, 2012, 04:40:47 PM
Add in Etzel33. Even more impressive is his website. http://www.libertyamerica.us/ (http://www.libertyamerica.us/) It calls for military "withdrawl" and even though he claims he's been a Libertarian for 30 years it says he supports medicare for all.

And don't forget StunnedByStupidity.  If this guy had anything of value to add, or anything of even vague substance in his pretentious pompous comments, I missed it.  As anyone reading my replies to him can tell, and wants to know, yes, I am just trolling/fucking around with him, no I don't believe some of the nastier things I said about him, etc.  I mean come on!  If he can't at least feign taking this seriously like billburns2 can (not saying he does a good job of it mind you), why should I take him seriously?  Really, he's just one more example of a username being the opposite of the user's characteristics.
Oh, and yeah, add billburns2's comments as fails as well.

As the internet troll in Cromartie High School once said (not necessarily a fail): "Man, there is nothing more fun than taunting an idiot."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 08, 2012, 07:58:03 PM
From the comment section of:

[yt]wEA2BPuDsbs[/yt]

"Once enough have been "converted" those who still object will have to be removed-

Selling children in a free market is OK

if a child does not to be owned by his parents run away

etc etc. Yes I sadly have read some of this assinine man. Thankfully I did not endure it all. But I could very easy say you have not read any famous left wing philosopher. I freely choose to not believe in the rambling of a man who made his living from being the Uncle Tom of capitalism" --franks2732, emphasis by me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 08, 2012, 09:39:21 PM
Oh good...cousin Jimmy is back and this time he's as much of a douchebag as ever.

(http://i46.tinypic.com/bivw4z.jpg)

The context of the discussion was because I posted the following picture (which is not fail):
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/197817_107116026052795_7878159_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 09, 2012, 12:23:14 AM
Quote from: D on August 08, 2012, 09:39:21 PM
Oh good...cousin Jimmy is back and this time he's as much of a douchebag as ever.

(http://i46.tinypic.com/bivw4z.jpg)

The context of the discussion was because I posted the following picture (which is not fail):
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/197817_107116026052795_7878159_n.jpg)

Added my own bit to that exchange. People like him are the reason I switched to economics instead of criminal justice.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 09, 2012, 07:24:25 AM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on August 09, 2012, 12:23:14 AM
Added my own bit to that exchange. People like him are the reason I switched to economics instead of criminal justice.

I removed him from my friends. He was such a condescending prick that I didn't have much of a choice.

He left me a message though:
QuoteHey cuz, thanks for deleting me as a "friend". Keep posting ridiculous links so that those that already agree with you can "like" your status. Anyone who calls you out on what they may think is BS, why...just delete them. It took a trip to the doctor to tell you that you need to obviously take care of yourself, but you think that you have all the answers to our nation's issues? I don't have many redeeming qualities, but one that i have is that I know that I don't know everything. That is one thing that I hope you learn. Everything is not black and white. Your friend, Marduke, or whatever, starts telling me what "I am", but he has no idea, does he? If you want to talk to me in person about your views of police, soldiers, and politics...go for it. But I guarantee that I can give you a list or police officers and soldiers that I knew and have died serving that is far longer than any innocents or drug dealers that you have known that have died. Take care of yourself, get healthy, and when you figure out how to do that then maybe you can start telling everyone else the solutions to their problems. You can disagree with me all day long, and bash me the whole time as well...I wouldn't have deleted you, because if I put something out there for all to see...I expect people to comment on it...I expect some to agree, but also some to disagree. Good luck with your health, cuz...because honestly when it comes to you, that's all I care about right now. Love ya.

Sorry Jim, I didn't unfriend you because you disagreed. I unfriended you because you wanted to act like a douchebag.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 09, 2012, 09:32:40 AM
Quote from: D on August 09, 2012, 07:24:25 AM
I removed him from my friends. He was such a condescending prick that I didn't have much of a choice.

He left me a message though:
Sorry Jim, I didn't unfriend you because you disagreed. I unfriended you because you wanted to act like a douchebag.

So, basically, "you can't comment on politics cuz you fat!" Unbelievable...

Though I find it amusing that I cut deep enough for him to name me personally in that. :-P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 09, 2012, 09:48:33 AM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on August 09, 2012, 09:32:40 AM
So, basically, "you can't comment on politics cuz you fat!" Unbelievable...

Though I find it amusing that I cut deep enough for him to name me personally in that. :-P

He sent me another reply, though a quick warning, it's long and full of douchebaggery:
QuoteDave, unfriending is still acting like a child. Most posts you put up that belittles soldiers or cops (or even the government in some situations) are generally condescending douchebag type posts. In fact, a lot of them have that intention worn right on the sleeve (Condescending Wonka). It is sad that someone can be so condescending and use such douchebaggery, but when that same attitude is thrown back in their face....they bitch. You talk about police like you have any real clue what goes on as an officer, or a soldier for that matter. There are over 400 police officers in New Haven alone, but if one of them screws up even once, some will talk about it as police officers as a whole. I bring up video games and wrestling because it is something that you are passionate about. If someone said that all wrestlers are mentally ill and will kill their families at any moment based on Chris Benoit's situation...you may call bullshit on them. It is the same idea.

But you unfriended me based on this. I want you to seriously think about that too, Dave. Because if you are ever sick, or really need something, will your many "friends" from around the globe truly be there for you? Will that be the case or will you be looking for family for help or support?

Most of your posts are condescending. Most of your posts can be viewed as if you are being a douchebag. How many dead bodies have you seen from drug overdoses? Sometimes people will take more offense to your posts, because they've seen the ugly side of an issue that you have never seen before.

Again, if you want to sit down...without bullshit...and really talk to me face to face about these issues you have with police, soldiers, and government...let's do it. But if you are just looking to be able to make condescending posts and expect something different in reply, continue to do what your doing.

My biggest issue, Dave...is that I do care about you. Half these other people couldn't truly give two shits. If you were worried about your health, both Jon and I would gladly help you. We'd take you out, work out, get you on a badass diet, and have you feeling fresh and healthy in no time. Half of these so called "friends" of yours would be aggravated that you haven't been posting about your video games during that time.

All I want is for you to truly prioritize. You are far too intelligent to waste your brains on bullshit. I can find half of your posts in "being libertarian" groups, I can find half of Aunt Terrie's posts on "being liberal" type groups. I am not perfect and my ideas are ever changing, but you will be hard pressed to label me as one group.

Take care, Dave.

Your condescending douchebag tool of a cousin,

Jim
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 09, 2012, 11:15:16 AM
Quote from: D on August 09, 2012, 09:48:33 AM
He sent me another reply, though a quick warning, it's long and full of douchebaggery:

Remember, he's butthurt because someone spit on the badge he's been using as an alternative for testicles.

I also find it interesting that he's somehow implying that he cares about you while defending the abuse of power & violence you criticize. If he's so upset about overdosing, why doesn't he go after the real cause of overdoses: differences in drug purity caused by a lack of industry standards (such as those that exist for caffeine) BECAUSE OF THE WAR ON DRUGS?

Also, I find it funny that he tries to frame things as if a few bad eggs are messing it up for everyone. Tell him to look up drug war corruption (asset forfeiture in particular) in a criminal justice studies journal. It's a pervasive problem. One dead man is too much for us. How many deaths would it require for things to be wrong for him? 100? 1,000? 10,000? 100,000? How many lives are worth it for his pride and overcompensation? How many people would he allow to die so he can feel better about himself?

He's a parasite, nothing more. You're better off without him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 09, 2012, 12:20:52 PM
Ludwig von Mises:
“The riches of successful entrepreneurs is not the cause of anybody[']s poverty; it is the consequence of the fact that the consumers are better supplied than they would have been in the absence of the entrepreneurs effort.” –Planning for Freedom p. 135
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 09, 2012, 12:44:00 PM
"If they initiate force or are suspected of it, they won't have a choice in the matter. Reparation is not coercion. Nor is retaliation. There is no [']paradox.'" --Guncriminal (https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=-mXmZSSKSbw)

I really expected better from him of all people.
Man, people REALLY need to read "Practical Anarchy" by Stefan Molyneux on this...

In particular, the part of "or are suspected of it [initiating force]"
No...just...no.  by that logic, all anyone would have to do to commit any attrocity is just say, "well I 'suspected' he/she/they/that entire 2 billion people continent were going to intiate force against me!" to justify killing all of them. Good lord man, how could a full on anarcho-capitalist say something so stupid.  Again, the bit about reparation and retaliation has been addressed,  if it isn't an initiation of force, it's the defensive use of force!
More specifically,

if (force.initiation == false)
     force.neccessarydefense == true
end (of fucking story)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 09, 2012, 12:57:05 PM
And...not to be outdone, billburns2 came through:

"The courtesy is already extended. You live in a state run society through choice, nobody is forcing you. That's what you cultists always choose to overlook" --billburns2 (https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=-mXmZSSKSbw)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 09, 2012, 01:55:20 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 09, 2012, 12:57:05 PM
And...not to be outdone, billburns2 came through:

"The courtesy is already extended. You live in a state run society through choice, nobody is forcing you. That's what you cultists always choose to overlook" --billburns2 (https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=-mXmZSSKSbw)

well, I was actually forced to come here by my mom--in spite of my strenuous objections. And while I still want to haul ass, I simply have no money. Furthermore, even if I did, where would I go? Every other country sucks just as bad as the US in one respect or another these days. And as a geologist, I have to stick to countries composed of more than just topsoil (Central America in general) or largely uneconomic rocks (Jordan).

so where does this idiot get the idea that anyone in general is in a place because they want to? sure, some might be, but some aren't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 09, 2012, 05:30:09 PM
Subject of DUI's came up and the usual "We need to throw away the Constitution and lock up everyone" arguments came out. But this one struck me as a big pile of fail

Me: DUI checkpoints are unconstitutional because they violate the 5th amendment. The US government isn't supposed to act under the idea that if you're not guilty you have nothing to hide.

QuoteWhich is fine but don't expect me to whine and bitch about the constitution and freedom when it comes to drinking and driving.

You can't do a lot of things the Constitution is suppose to allow. Go yell bomb in the airport, find out just how far freedom of speech goes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 10, 2012, 04:37:44 AM
Quote from: D on August 09, 2012, 09:48:33 AM
He sent me another reply, though a quick warning, it's long and full of douchebaggery:

Do you mind if I submit every reply he made to me in that conversation for consideration for fail-quotes? :-P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 10, 2012, 07:37:53 AM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on August 10, 2012, 04:37:44 AM
Do you mind if I submit every reply he made to me in that conversation for consideration for fail-quotes? :-P

Trust me when I tell you, we don't need to at this point.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on August 10, 2012, 03:03:35 PM
QuoteI would strongly recommend not to start watching those youtube videos [The videos he is talking about are Shanes videos on economics] as they are typically too much simplified or wrong. And I would ignore the Mises stuff too: it's a libertarian view on the economy based on wishful thinking, basically (no one has been able to prove, even if just mathematically, that absolute freedom will lead to a first best economic outcome). Ludwig von Mises himself said some intelligent things but it was strongly motivated by politics, and it is now misused by idiots.

From this stupid thread:
http://offtopicproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11476&p=102510#p102510

Also:
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_dismal_science/1998/08/babysitting_the_economy.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 11, 2012, 10:18:39 AM
In response to saying I'm still voting for Gary Johnson in November after the Ryan VP pick

QuoteBy which you mean you are voting for Obama. I still don't understand the genuine naivete required to not understand the difference between a lifelong admirer of Marx getting a second term vs. a traditional American entrepreneur getting a first one. Do they not understand the difference between who these men are, or the difference between Presidents in a first vs second term?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 12, 2012, 02:43:02 AM
"nothing of economics is ultimately falsifiable or 'testable'- its the inherent nature of economics

cuz economics ultimately rests on subjective relativistic matters- that is, person, place and time effect all matters of economics. Do read "Human action" sometime, or "Economics in One Lesson"" - Swu880 on this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEXUKG1b5RQ&lc=SKMM3NVoDqIIV4I1G0tcA6GskvpLZcwIdtP5WvUK8uI&feature=inbox

I really don't think this individual has ever actually read those books or if he did, it didn't sink in.
Besides, it's the inherent nature?  That's the sign of someone who really doesn't get science.  No scientifically minded person accepts "it just is" as an answer.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on August 12, 2012, 03:12:00 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on August 11, 2012, 10:18:39 AM
In response to saying I'm still voting for Gary Johnson in November after the Ryan VP pick


I love how a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama, but a vote for Romney is somehow not a vote for Romney.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 12, 2012, 08:07:57 AM
From Good Morning America just a few minutes ago:
"Democrats are going to paint Paul Ryan as an anti-government ideologue."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 12, 2012, 08:57:00 PM
Um...what???

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 12, 2012, 11:13:10 PM
fuck....

seriously the guy in the video just makes me want to create another Toba....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 12, 2012, 11:33:51 PM
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Blamethe1st gave him the stern talking to he needed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 13, 2012, 09:37:27 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 12, 2012, 11:33:51 PM
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Blamethe1st gave him the stern talking to he needed.

One small detail:  The current form of income taxes (direct levy on individuals) was specifically allowed by the 16th Amendment (it was previously possible to apply an indirect tax on the transactions of the payment of wages, rents, interest, dividends, sales, etc., but the rates had to be uniform, and any time someone devised a new way to package the transaction that made it legally different from any existing transaction type, a new tax would be required to tax it, and apportionment rules for direct taxes, which is what the 16th specifically does away with, made it extremely awkward to tax certain kinds of income directly on the individual receiving it).  Any debate on whether or not income taxes are constitutionally valid is equivalent to a debate on whether or not the 16th Amendment was correctly approved.  (But, seriously, can you imagine any legislature anywhere, at any time, EVER saying no to a measure to permit taxation?)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 14, 2012, 03:53:34 PM
More for the comments than the video (although the video is a fail):

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 14, 2012, 05:21:35 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/484019_10151006340031275_1966066337_n.jpg)

My mother posted this on Facebook. She also posted this quote to go with it. Mom, I love ya, but god damn this is just blatantly untrue:
QuoteI wish people would stop saying that Obama has done nothing. I wish they would stop saying things are actually worse. The facts say those statements are NOT true. I don't understand why people believe blatant lies, and make decisions based on untruths, when the results would undue the progress, while not as fast as we'd like, that we HAVE made.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 14, 2012, 06:49:54 PM
if the recession was over, I wouldn't be writing a post about how there are literally no minimum or other wage jobs willing to hire me.

in the meantime, I do agree with your mom, D: Obama did indeed do things. It's just that everything he did in that regard has been blatantly retarded.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 14, 2012, 08:56:29 PM
I don't know where she's getting her unemployment figures, but they're LAUGHABLY wrong! Look at the BLS statistics: the number goes up and down and up and down, and it's still more or less where it was when Obama took office. I have NO idea where she gets 27 straight months of job increases, but it ISN'T the BLS! The most you can find is 5 months of straight growth. And it isn't much.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 15, 2012, 12:55:11 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 14, 2012, 08:56:29 PM
I don't know where she's getting her unemployment figures, but they're LAUGHABLY wrong! Look at the BLS statistics: the number goes up and down and up and down, and it's still more or less where it was when Obama took office. I have NO idea where she gets 27 straight months of job increases, but it ISN'T the BLS! The most you can find is 5 months of straight growth. And it isn't much.

probably from Obama's control cen...I mean, his official figures.

seriously, the more I hear these people out, the more I can't help but think that they are robots. Of course, this makes the term "Obamaton" increasingly more descriptive.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 15, 2012, 06:44:03 PM
Oh boy, another Voice of the People, and this time around people complain about immigrants.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 15, 2012, 11:30:18 PM
Are the people there really that moronic, or do they cherry-pick?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 16, 2012, 03:03:43 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 15, 2012, 11:30:18 PM
Are the people there really that moronic, or do they cherry-pick?

both and neither are possible options too: the former implies stupidity greater than what you imply, the latter, that these people are as viper-like as Obama or Romney, or most politicians these days.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 16, 2012, 04:21:05 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 15, 2012, 11:30:18 PM
Are the people there really that moronic, or do they cherry-pick?

Shane, I shit you not, "The Voice of the People" is truly the worst segment on television. You are guaranteed at least one major asshole or at the very least a ton of dumb people.

To give you an example, I recall one woman actually saying that everyone should just get over the Cheshire home invasion case (including the surviving husband who lost his wife and two daughters) because she was tired of hearing about it on the news.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 16, 2012, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: D on August 16, 2012, 04:21:05 AM
Shane, I shit you not, "The Voice of the People" is truly the worst segment on television. You are guaranteed at least one major asshole or at the very least a ton of dumb people.

Yes, but I'm guessing they get a LOT more responses than the ones they air on TV. So how do they choose which ones to air? Do they deliberately choose the ones that are the most moronic?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 16, 2012, 12:18:18 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 16, 2012, 11:52:51 AM
Yes, but I'm guessing they get a LOT more responses than the ones they air on TV. So how do they choose which ones to air? Do they deliberately choose the ones that are the most moronic?

Honestly, I've heard that some people have not made it when they called, but I wouldn't be surprised if more dumb people call than smart people. You DO occasionally see something that doesn't reek of stupid or downright douchiness, but it isn't often.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 16, 2012, 06:25:53 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/224368_342724612481553_331706193_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 16, 2012, 08:53:17 PM
This guy just comes off as a complete douche.
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Then again, if this (http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/16/msnbcs-toure-romney-engaging-in-niggerization-of-obama-video) is something he believes, then yes, he IS a complete douchebag.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 16, 2012, 10:12:58 PM
Quote from: D on August 16, 2012, 08:53:17 PM
This guy just comes off as a complete douche.
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Then again, if this (http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/16/msnbcs-toure-romney-engaging-in-niggerization-of-obama-video) is something he believes, then yes, he IS a complete douchebag.

It's MSNBC: of course he believes this shit.

EDIT:

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/224368_342724612481553_331706193_n.jpg)

[spoiler]1. and if that place is a desert? in which case, things have to be imported--especially food
2. Not everyone can do that, and frankly, it's often too time and labor intensive
3. easier said than done.
4. So if a kid gets tetanus, you let him die? or alternately, you let people die or your child to get sick, because you didn't vaccinate him? fuck...
5. Cannabis I can understand, but homeopathy and avoiding prescription meds all together? it's the latter that is partly the reason we live into our 80's these days. and Homeopathy? for real?
6. OK...as long as it isn't this sort of bullshit.
7. Not always.
8. depends on what channels you got, but OK.
9. wtf? people need to cut romanticizing the rural or nomad life: it's not something that is possible with 7 billion people. And it's not a matter of debate: for all it's foibles, I still think the city is one of mankind's best inventions. Some of us live in cities: there wealth and industry is clustered: this in turn produces products and inventions the rurals and nomads benefit from: they in turn bring in food. and the cycle repeats. Eventually everybody wins: so long as Govco doesn't fuck it all in the ass.
10. cut the platitudes.[/spoiler]

in short: the poster is hippie garbage.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 16, 2012, 10:14:00 PM
Quote from: D on August 16, 2012, 08:53:17 PM
This guy just comes off as a complete douche.
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Then again, if this (http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/16/msnbcs-toure-romney-engaging-in-niggerization-of-obama-video) is something he believes, then yes, he IS a complete douchebag.

It sounded like sarcasm to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 16, 2012, 10:34:24 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on August 16, 2012, 10:14:00 PM
It sounded like sarcasm to me.

possible, though being I'm not sure that is the case myself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on August 17, 2012, 01:47:52 PM
I have found the ultimate in Obamaton fail. I occasionally go to e-reader IQ to get their samples of e-books for the Kindle. Yesterday I got this 17 page atrocity. "BARACK OBAMA WHY ALL THE HATE?   PRess, Vincent (2012-08-13). Barack Obama - Why All The Hate? Kindle Edition. Unfortunately while free for me it is now $2.99 so don't buy.

Some interesting statements.

"Bush did the same thing when he decided to use TARP for the financial industry crisis, yet he's not hated"

PRess, Vincent (2012-08-13). Barack Obama - Why All The Hate? (Kindle Locations 121-124).  . Kindle Edition.

"Even Bush who started the dumbest war ever (as dumb as Viet Nam) isn't hated for it.   And even after he started it, the operation of it was so idiotic; I'm embarrassed as hell about it but still, there isn't any hate."

PRess, Vincent (2012-08-13). Barack Obama - Why All The Hate? (Kindle Locations 224-226).  . Kindle Edition.

Yes people, you heard it here first. Bush isn't hated. Even for TARP and starting the Iraq war based on bull shit. Also notice the awesome prose in that two sentence paragraph. That was the entire paragraph btw. I especially love how the war in Iraq is the dumbest in history while being as dumb as Vietnam.

Then there are some interesting statements without citations.

"The auto company bailouts are another huge subject that brings out the hate towards Obama. The auto industry is so huge that 5 out of 10 jobs in the Midwest are actually attributed to the auto industry."

PRess, Vincent (2012-08-13). Barack Obama - Why All The Hate? (Kindle Locations 104-106).  . Kindle Edition.

"If AIG would have reneged on the insurance policies, we can only guess what would have happened but I'll suggest (as every financial expert in the world did) that the entire financial industry would have failed"

PRess, Vincent (2012-08-13). Barack Obama - Why All The Hate? (Kindle Locations 92-95).  . Kindle Edition.

Every financial expert in the world, huh? Unanimous consensus for the first time in human history.

Then there is the reason he claims people hate Obama.

"And it leaves to one conclusion, and it's the same conclusion I've have since the early 70' s. About half of the white residents (probably more) of the United States of America are racist who hate black people."

PRess, Vincent (2012-08-13). Barack Obama - Why All The Hate? (Kindle Locations 228-230).  . Kindle Edition.

Forget the fact that it should read "are racists who hate" or "are racist and hate", this seems to require some sort of evidence. You may ask how so many people can be so bigoted. His response.

"And it's too bad they can't get over it and it's too bad it will never stop. As long as parents tell their children about their hate of the black person, it will continue. How else could children in 9th and 10th grade who never ever met a black person in their life, form an opinion of hate and distrust? They learn it from their parents or another trusted adult and until that stops, we will always have a racial divide in this country.


PRess, Vincent (2012-08-13). Barack Obama - Why All The Hate? (Kindle Locations 233-239).  . Kindle Edition.


Yes, people in the U.S. can make it to 14 or 15 and never meet one African American in their lives. This isn't fail because it is pro-Obama fluff, it's fail because this guy is a moron.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 18, 2012, 10:34:22 AM
While it is an anti-Romney ad, it continues the bogosity that cutting medicare will kill old people.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 18, 2012, 11:23:26 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 19, 2012, 12:55:49 AM
well, he's is right...in part.

there is work available: problem is, most of it are in fields most people are not "qualified" for: licensing laws, exorbitantly expensive education requirements, and stupidly unnecessary emphasis on experience (when all the experienced people are literally retiring on us all--especially in geology*), all keep people from work. Add to that the "slow job growth", the inflation of our currency, and the continued loss of jobs in the private sector, all combine to hinder people from work.

and you know what they all have in common? Government has a direct role in all these causes--as an initiating force.

so what does a person like the above shithead do? blame it all on the unemployed people and the various companies... and uses the old "company profits are evil" bullshit. And yes, he is blaming every unemployed person for being just that: just read that poster again, and think about it. And to rub insult to injury, he's implying that what I can only describe as a dumbass version of Marxism (let that sink in: a dumbass version of a dumbass idea), is the solution: working for "needs" instead of "profit". like we're all neolithic people or something. And in light of the US' infrastructure, he is also implying that the very government that created the mess we're in, is on way we can achieve his retarded vision--afterall, in the US, Schools and parks are largely public, aren't they?


*in case you're wondering, no, I'm not employed: not even minimum wage jobs want anything to do with me. reason? I have no "experience". why? cuz a worker is a massive investment. Why? Minimum wage laws, licensing laws, laws about drilling, excavating, etc.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 19, 2012, 08:42:22 AM
Of course schools and parks are largely government areas in the US (and most of the rest of the developed world).  When governments force everyone to pay into their system, it becomes much harder for private operations to compete unless they're VASTLY better, since all the potential customers have less money as a result of being forced to pay for the other system.  If the government system is seen as 'adequate' and it's a great hardship for people to pay the extra charge for private replacements, they naturally don't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 19, 2012, 10:48:37 AM
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a152/g8orbill/RomneyRyanbumpersticker.jpg)

[Fixed broken link. —MrB]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 19, 2012, 11:24:53 AM
Quote from: D on August 18, 2012, 10:34:22 AM
While it is an anti-Romney ad, it continues the bogosity that cutting medicare will kill old people.

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I honestly laughed (and still laugh) at this.  If I hadn't been told otherwise, I still would have thought this to be a anti-liberal ad making fun of the paranoid fantasies of the left.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 19, 2012, 03:57:22 PM
Quote
I have a very simple comment about 1% vs. 99% and our health care issue:

Not everything in this country has to make a profit. Take the profit motive into the health of people and you torpedo the incentive to just make that person better and you become another pawn in a gigantic pharmaceutical industry.

Ask yourself this - Why should said industry bother to cure you when there's more money in keeping you sick or dependent on expensive medication?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 19, 2012, 06:42:59 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 19, 2012, 11:24:53 AM
I honestly laughed (and still laugh) at this.  If I hadn't been told otherwise, I still would have thought this to be a anti-liberal ad making fun of the paranoid fantasies of the left.

well, with all honesty I was kinda disappointed by this commercial: I was expecting something involving fire, blood, and maybe cancer.

kinda like this:

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I'm telling ye, the Obamatons don't even have any flair or imagination. At least when you act like a jackass (as Obamatons are wont to do (same with the romneyphiles), you do it with flair.  :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 20, 2012, 11:51:48 AM
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There goes Claire again, demonstrating that she doesn't actually know anything about anything beyond geology and German music.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 20, 2012, 05:58:54 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on August 20, 2012, 11:51:48 AM
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There goes Claire again, demonstrating that she doesn't actually know anything about anything beyond geology and German music.

that's how you know I'm superior: I know about Geology, German music, AND the stuff she is attempting to talk about, but cannot.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 21, 2012, 06:10:03 PM
Sorry Schiff, but Akin is not someone to defend.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 21, 2012, 06:29:33 PM
OK, there's a really simple principle here:  The rights of ACTUAL people must always take precedence over the rights of merely POTENTIAL people.  Akin doesn't understand that, and he falls down because of it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on August 21, 2012, 08:37:46 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on August 21, 2012, 06:29:33 PM
OK, there's a really simple principle here:  The rights of ACTUAL people must always take precedence over the rights of merely POTENTIAL people.  Akin doesn't understand that, and he falls down because of it.

Not to mention he tried to obscure the biggest problem with a law banning abortion, conception in the case of rape, by lying about something that is a biological fact.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 22, 2012, 07:52:55 AM
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Hey New Britain, you have a 48% truancy rate. There may be a reason for that other than just "they're just a bunch of worthless punks." Try making your schools actually worth going to.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 22, 2012, 08:14:43 AM
Quote from: D on August 22, 2012, 07:52:55 AM
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Hey New Britain, you have a 48% truancy rate. There may be a reason for that other than just "they're just a bunch of worthless punks." Try making your schools actually worth going to.

While you will always get a certain percentage of kids who will drop out no matter what anyone does, a 48% truancy rate can only mean that the adults of the community are doing something systematically wrong.  Either they're unusually incompetent parents, or they're electing systematically bad school board members/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 22, 2012, 08:17:26 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on August 22, 2012, 08:14:43 AM
While you will always get a certain percentage of kids who will drop out no matter what anyone does, a 48% truancy rate can only mean that the adults of the community are doing something systematically wrong.  Either they're unusually incompetent parents, or they're electing systematically bad school board members/

When almost half of the student body decides not to show up, it should be considered a complete admission of failure on the school's part.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 22, 2012, 09:07:45 AM
I'm reminded of the Stossel special where he covered a teacher noticing students at a school leaving after first period. When she asked them why, they told her that they went to first period because it was a good class, but left because the rest of them were useless and a waste of time. So these kids actually and deliberately got up early to attend the first class, because it was good, but thought nothing of skipping the bogus ones.

It's long past time we stop blaming the kids.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 22, 2012, 09:38:57 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 22, 2012, 09:07:45 AM
I'm reminded of the Stossel special where he covered a teacher noticing students at a school leaving after first period. When she asked them why, they told her that they went to first period because it was a good class, but left because the rest of them were useless and a waste of time. So these kids actually and deliberately got up early to attend the first class, because it was good, but thought nothing of skipping the bogus ones.

It's long past time we stop blaming the kids.

Or the parents, since they are the ones who will have to pay a fine.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 22, 2012, 10:31:05 AM
Quote from: D on August 22, 2012, 09:38:57 AM
Or the parents, since they are the ones who will have to pay a fine.

No, bogus classes in school are still the fault of the parents (and the other adults in the community) because they elected the school board and the school board is responsible for making sure the schools work.  It may be that the teachers and/or curriculum is bad, or the schools have incompetent administrators, but the school board is responsible for overseeing all of that, and the adults in the community are responsible for who's on the school board.

This is PRECISELY the same root cause as the mess at every other government body in the US and many other countries (where there are elected bodies with any real power):  If you elect bad people to office, you're going to get bad results.  Every time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 22, 2012, 12:36:18 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on August 22, 2012, 10:31:05 AMNo, bogus classes in school are still the fault of the parents (and the other adults in the community) because they elected the school board

Yes, and elections are completely fair and candidates are never marginalized or favored by special interests.

QuoteThis is PRECISELY the same root cause as the mess at every other government body in the US and many other countries (where there are elected bodies with any real power):  If you elect bad people to office, you're going to get bad results.  Every time.

Sorry, but I just don't go with this blame-the-victim stuff, and the implication that all we have to do is elect the right people and everything will be OK. It's the system that's broken, not the people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 22, 2012, 10:03:46 PM
Just got banned from Gallifrey Base (major Doctor Who fan-board) for a week because I posted the new BBC America trailer for Series 7. The reason?

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    Members are not permitted to post direct links to any site that presents unauthorized redistribution of copyrighted audio or video material.
    This means that direct links to YouTube, Dailymotion, or blog sites are only permitted if the audio or video material therein is presented by the owner (or holder of copyright) of the material.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 22, 2012, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on August 22, 2012, 10:03:46 PM
Just got banned from Gallifrey Base (major Doctor Who fan-board) for a week because I posted the new BBC America trailer for Series 7. The reason?

I do not see the harm in doing that: after-all, the forum is a board for Dr. Who fans, who will doubtless spend time before the TV watching that very show anyways, thereby doing absolutely nothing to harm anyone's profits.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 23, 2012, 12:08:54 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on August 22, 2012, 10:03:46 PM
Just got banned from Gallifrey Base (major Doctor Who fan-board) for a week because I posted the new BBC America trailer for Series 7. The reason?

Wow, that's dumb. Do they not realize that BBCA has the rights to post their own trailer?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 23, 2012, 12:27:18 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on August 22, 2012, 10:31:05 AM
No, bogus classes in school are still the fault of the parents (and the other adults in the community) because they elected the school board and the school board is responsible for making sure the schools work.  It may be that the teachers and/or curriculum is bad, or the schools have incompetent administrators, but the school board is responsible for overseeing all of that, and the adults in the community are responsible for who's on the school board.

This is PRECISELY the same root cause as the mess at every other government body in the US and many other countries (where there are elected bodies with any real power):  If you elect bad people to office, you're going to get bad results.  Every time.

Looking at the track record, I'd say it's proof of how voting itself doesn't work.  Imagine if we had groccery voting, where everyone had to buy the brand voted for by the majority.  In the end, everyone walks away bitterly dissappointed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 23, 2012, 04:51:27 PM
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JBL, you were an awesome pro wrestler, but god damn I wouldn't take economic advice from you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 23, 2012, 05:36:46 PM
Quote from: D on August 23, 2012, 04:51:27 PM
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JBL, you were an awesome pro wrestler, but god damn I wouldn't take economic advice from you.

would you seriously take any economic advice from any wrestler?  :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 23, 2012, 05:45:08 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on August 23, 2012, 05:36:46 PM
would you seriously take any economic advice from any wrestler?  :P

I'm still trying to work out what's actually wrong with what he's saying.  (Maybe it's how tired I am, the ceiling of my bedroom was taken down yesterday, including the sound proofing materials, to let the structure finish drying out after the roof above sort of caved in a while back, and the upstairs neighbors are kind of noisy.)  He's definitely right about not being able to get there by spending cuts that don't touch entitlements, and he's right about not being able to get there by tax increases (he doesn't say why, although I think all of us know that the total tax take in the US has never gone much above the percentage of GDP it is now, and that raising taxes too much, to levels like in the 1950's and 1960's for instance, actually makes tax revenue decrease).  He's right that entitlements have got to be reformed in some manner.  Does he have something else somewhere that has some completely addle-brained scheme to reform entitlements that won't work at all?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 23, 2012, 06:15:31 PM
It is true that you can't balance the budget.  Seriously, put a sheet of government spending in front of someone, tell them they need to cut 2 trillion to stop the decline and another trillion to start paying off the debt.  Ask them what they're going to cut.

And the sad truth comes out, you can't.  You could fire the whole military and still wouldn't even come close...and if you did fire the military, they'd all get unemployment insurance, gobbling up what savings you did make.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 23, 2012, 08:30:29 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on August 23, 2012, 05:45:08 PM
Does he have something else somewhere that has some completely addle-brained scheme to reform entitlements that won't work at all?

In the past, he has stated that he believes one way to quickly fix the budget is to enforce a national sales tax. While technically there isn't much wrong with what he is saying at face value, it clashes with things he has said in the past.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 25, 2012, 10:45:47 AM
And now MGK is exposing his own evil in these comments. (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=K00ffkCQ4Ss)

He's actually saying that the money in the Medicare Trust Fund doesn't belong to Medicare beneficiaries!

"You are not listening, you moron! ITS A FUCKING TRUST FUND! It can't go unsolvent! because the money ain't theirs to begin with!!"

Yes, let's just ignore the fact that seniors paid their whole lives into a Medicare system--that they weren't even given a choice about--and when it ran a surplus the politicians just took the money and squandered it and left this "trust fund" (i.e., promise to pay for it with future taxes) behind. It absolutely was theirs to begin with, because their money was taken in Medicare taxes to fund it and the politicians took the money and spent it on their pet boondoggles.

"Secondly even if the the trust fund were to be gone tomorow, it doesn't mean shit for medicaire, the funds were allways expected to be replenished by taxes!"

This is NOT what the Trustees say. The Medicare tax IS NOT ENOUGH TO PAY BENEFICIARIES. When the trust fund runs out, Medicare will have NO WAY to cover them all.

MGK long ago showed that he doesn't really care about people's health care, just his precious government cult. And here he goes and proves it once again. He is the very embodiment of the evil inherent in dogmatic statism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 25, 2012, 11:57:57 AM
snowy800123 provides fail in the comments of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z4KyJLx2xk&feature=g-u-u) for the following statement:
Quoteguys he broke a law... as bad as it sounds he's getting what he deserves.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on August 25, 2012, 11:34:03 PM
The comments made by NormanArches in these comments (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=Wi-D24oCa10) are particularly failworthy.  Here's a quick snippet:

Quote from: AltimadarkThe point remains that our rights are an inherent part of our being, and they're not given to us by other men, i.e. government.

Quote from: NormanArchesRead your world history. No one ever told the rich and powerful this.

Quote from: Altimadark...that's precisely what documents such as and including the Declaration and Magna Carta did...

Quote from: NormanArchesThe interests of the modern rich align themselves not with those of the modern poor, which is what declarations of rights are supposed to be about in their desire for egalitarianism and true meritocracy...

And he goes on like this. Gog...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 25, 2012, 11:47:55 PM
Gog? Are you invoking Troll Jesus next?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on August 26, 2012, 02:23:11 AM
No, but I might warn you about stairs. ;)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 26, 2012, 11:27:11 AM
"People buy cheap slave produce from Wal-Mart & benefit from evil all the time. They do this in IGNORANCE not innocence. Many of the people forced to make the products are 'prisoners of conscience' arrested merely for their political opinions or religious beliefs. 10's of 1000's of such innocent people go missing every year as they're murdered by the state & their organs are harvested. Half the world slaves & starves in dire poverty while the other half feeds off of them." - Galv140577 in the comments of this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLODu02R_gA&lc=imu399MBLWugm8sxyGLGsMhQbeflhGO1CpZsKKz4mvM&feature=inbox


As I replied to him: Baseless scaremongering is not an argument and I'd appreciate it if you didn't insult my intelligence by resorting to emotional blackmailing like I were some kind of approval starved twit.


Update: Oh cripes, he goes after GMO's too.  That I cannot stand for.

Him:     "Monsanto is using the FDA to criminalise organic farming & force everybody to buy their GMOs which are not fit for long term human consumption as they cause sterility, cancer & all kinds of problems. We're not even allowed to label their GM population-culling exterminant poison that looks & tastes like ordinary food & is being sold in stores right now. They're systematicly murdering people & releasing transgenic polution. Monsanto MUST be taken down before we are literally WIPED OUT as a species"

Me: "I have no love for the FDA but anyone who mewls about the evils of GMO's has NO idea what they're talking about.
    Go look up Norman Borlaug. The man is credited with saving 1 BILLION people from starvation with GMO's. You cannot argue against that. Don't even try."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 26, 2012, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on August 26, 2012, 02:23:11 AM
No, but I might warn you about stairs. ;)

It keeps happening!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 27, 2012, 09:15:42 AM
And hawanja's back with more fail:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 27, 2012, 01:56:59 PM
And here's Dusty with some fail of his own.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 27, 2012, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: that idiot who made the above video'm open minded. How else can you keep money out of government without the government passing laws to prevent it?

the sheer stupid just....I would say burns, but it's more than that.

the guy is basically telling me that a fox can be made to stop eating your hens by another fox. how the fuck is that supposed to work?

here's a simple idea: how about you don't give them money?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 27, 2012, 04:56:50 PM
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Well, this time Claire's failing not because she just being stupid, but because she's knowingly using an outright fraud as a reference, Rachel Maddow.

When confronted with the evidence that Rachel Maddow is a fraud who just makes things up from nothing for the apparent purpose of supporting the people who waste the most money and start the most wars, she insists that the census data somehow supports her claims because somehow, magically, things like education, experience, and hours worked are somehow not relevant to expected earnings.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 27, 2012, 07:55:44 PM
Oh this is just delicious. If you have a facebook account, Judge Napolitano posted this (https://www.facebook.com/JudgeNapolitano/posts/466172193416930) on Facebook.

The comments are where the fail comes in. This one in particular is just hilarious:
Quote from: Jim Doggett Voting for him is a vote for Obama and against the very liberty you profess to champion, don't you realize? Please, do not succumb to the tempation to make such a "statement"; as it proclaims nothing but selfishness.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 27, 2012, 09:16:32 PM
Interesting he posted that. He did an interview with reason about 2 weeks ago where he said he was on the fence between Johnson and Romney, hopefully he'll be vocal about supporting Johnson in the future.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 27, 2012, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on August 27, 2012, 09:16:32 PM
Interesting he posted that. He did an interview with reason about 2 weeks ago where he said he was on the fence between Johnson and Romney, hopefully he'll be vocal about supporting Johnson in the future.

Better than him supporting Romney, that is for certain.

That being said, those comments provide some serious comedy gold.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 27, 2012, 09:24:05 PM
I'm just hoping that, after the convention is over and Ron Paul's campaign is officially over, Paul endorses Johnson to get his followers over to the pro-liberty candidate. He's already said there's no way he'll endorse Romney.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on August 27, 2012, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 27, 2012, 09:24:05 PM
I'm just hoping that, after the convention is over and Ron Paul's campaign is officially over, Paul endorses Johnson to get his followers over to the pro-liberty candidate. He's already said there's no way he'll endorse Romney.

I'm hoping that the people who claim that working with the Republican Party is the only way to advance Liberty realize that Ron Paul just proved that doesn't work. This includes giving the Republicans a much needed win in 2010 after dismal failure in two election cycles.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 27, 2012, 11:09:48 PM
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What a sniveling weasel Paul Ryan is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 28, 2012, 11:12:10 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 27, 2012, 09:15:42 AM
And hawanja's back with more fail:

And now hawanja's deleted every single one of my comments. He CLAIMS he did this to teach me "that it's wrong and unfair to assume human rights extend from property rights." But all he really did is prove he's a coward with no response to my arguments. The sad part is, he probably feels good about himself. This is how statism poisons the mind worse than religion does!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 29, 2012, 06:25:18 PM
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"...and go back to deregulation, that is what got us in trouble in the first place."

Yeeeah okay. Tell us how Bush was in favor of deregulation again?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 29, 2012, 07:39:16 PM
Quote/it's ok as long as your only a little drunk and live right down the street.

Seriously though we need to make DUI laws stronger in this country. No one gives a shit about the current ones obviously.

Right, because as of right now a 1st DUI in this country already nets you a massive fine, makes you lose your license, probably means you're going to lose your job, and makes you practically uninsurable if you're a guy under 30. But hell let's throw some jail time in there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 29, 2012, 07:40:50 PM
Quote from: D on August 29, 2012, 06:25:18 PM"...and go back to deregulation, that is what got us in trouble in the first place."

Yeeeah okay. Tell us how Bush was in favor of deregulation again?

Here's the graph they don't want you to show people:

(http://politicsandprosperity.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/federal-register-pages_1936-20101.jpg)

From: http://politicsandprosperity.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/lay-my-regulatory-burden-down/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 29, 2012, 08:19:39 PM
This comments starts off well enough, but his example of an "ideal" candidate plunges it into fail territory

QuoteI so desperately want to vote Republican but for the GOP that existed 30 year ago before it got hijacked by the conservative christian, racist, lunatic fringe. I am a fiscal conservative and social moderate who believes in personal responsibility, denies the culture of victim-hood, but the GOP of today gives me absolutely no place to be. The American Taliban masquerading as the TEA party needs to have their own party rather than moving the GOP so far to the right as to be un-electable on a national stage. Give me a pragmatic truly old school Nixon Republican who does not bow down to the so called Neocons who sadly make up the GOP base and I'd vote for him / her. Until then, Obama is my choice.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 31, 2012, 10:33:17 PM
Warning: What you are about to read contains douchebaggery at extreme levels. We're not just dealing with basic bogons here people.

This (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1251130&postcount=27).

Quote from: TysisYea that is horrible... if it all happened exactly that way the kids parents described it (I'm sure they have no motive other than their child's emotional well-being). This is stupid. What else is new? Kids play like this all the time, only not all of them have parents who have access to evidence capable of winning a very big lawsuit (which I I dare anyone to bet me isn't what they're going after).

Any teacher should indeed get fired for letting his or her students "horseplay" like that. God to think of the liability if any accident at all happened. They were on an elevated stage for Christ's sake. I honestly can't believe that, especially to allow them to whip out their cell phones? I remember when I was in high-school and cell phones were taken up if a teacher even knew you had brought it to school.

I also want to say I am a huge advocator of putting a stop to bullying in school. For the majority of my childhood I was bullied because I wore glasses, was skinny, didn't wear baggy clothes like all the other kids and didn't cuss or do bad things. I was completely alone growing up. My kid-brother is going through that right now actually, albeit for different reasons, and as someone who's attending college to be a high-school level educator, I honestly can't think of anything worse that making fun of someone let alone bullying them. Thinking about it really tears me up.

But to be honest, unless we were actually there, there's no telling the real side of the story. That kid was obviously wrestling back, and unless he is mentally handicapped, he would have been more than capable of crying, saying stop, or even acting like he was being bothered. Hell even if he is the type of kid to not cry at first and just fight back, if he was genuinely angry, the teacher should have been able to catch it. My point isn't to let kids wrestle in your classroom, because I think that is incredibly stupid, but kids exaggerate and say whatever to get what they want. He seemed to be having fun to me too, and definitely didn't act like he was in pain physically or emotionally. The only thing I could see from the video that looked like it went overboard (not for a classroom, but for kids playing around in general) was what looked to be writing on his feet? I mean what the hell was that?

But for a thirteen year-old kid to say he wanted to kill himself over one incident like this? Obviously there's some other under-lying things going on here, one of which could be better and more loving parents. Hell if at school was the only place I was getting picked on, I think I would be saying "I want to be home-schooled!" rather than "I want to kill myself!" Food for thought.

Quote from: MeWhether he was there for 1 day or 18 years makes no difference. He should have been fired and if the parents wanted to, they should have pressed criminal charges.

Don't put words in people's mouths. Lol Dikicud didn't say "well if he  had only been there a year or so I understand, but to be there 18 years? He should have been fired."

Quote from: MeTenure is a real bitch. This is one of the major complaints I have with teacher's unions. They have such iron clad contracts that unless it is blatant murder, you have to jump through all kinds of hoops to fire someone.

There's a flip side. For teachers, tenure is also a real bitch to get  now a days. In fact, what most schools are doing now is transferring  new teachers or laying them off before the seven or so years so they  can't even get it. Being a teacher is one of the most unappreciated and  under-payed jobs out there, partly because of idiotic teachers like this  one.

His post was a response to the story about the kid bullied by his class and teacher.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 01, 2012, 02:00:16 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on August 27, 2012, 01:56:59 PM
And here's Dusty with some fail of his own.

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Why do morons like this hate people? I've never understood this line of thought.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 01, 2012, 06:36:10 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 01, 2012, 02:00:16 AM
Why do morons like this hate people? I've never understood this line of thought.

You're making an unwarranted assumption.  Who claimed he THOUGHT about this?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 01, 2012, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on September 01, 2012, 06:36:10 AM
You're making an unwarranted assumption.  Who claimed he THOUGHT about this?

Maybe I am. But, just the way he says that pretty much all people are stupid, except him of course, what else can you really think the guy thinks?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 01, 2012, 08:14:58 PM
"You are not a politician, stop pretending to be one. You are beyond obsessed with this to conspiracy theorist levels. I think you need some help."

How many times have we heard this?
A "friend" just sent this to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 01, 2012, 09:45:56 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 01, 2012, 08:14:58 PM
"You are not a politician, stop pretending to be one. You are beyond obsessed with this to conspiracy theorist levels. I think you need some help."

How many times have we heard this?
A "friend" just sent this to me.

I've gotten that for pointing out that pointing out that Obama has started more wars than the second Bush (Libya, and those relatively small but persistent things in Yemen and central Africa, how can they not be wars when they are definitely combat missions, and they're definitely rather long-term, and the one in central Africa was cal gal.sent into a country where the alleged target was known not to be and has to go into a different country to even try to achieve it's official  goal).  Of course, at least one person who babbled that sort of thing also claimed that Libya was only enforcing the "no-fly zone", to which I suggested they Google libya+"air strikes", unless they're afraid of "conspiracy news" sites like CBS and the BBC.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 01, 2012, 10:29:07 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on September 01, 2012, 09:45:56 PM
I've gotten that for pointing out that pointing out that Obama has started more wars than the second Bush (Libya, and those relatively small but persistent things in Yemen and central Africa, how can they not be wars when they are definitely combat missions, and they're definitely rather long-term, and the one in central Africa was cal gal.sent into a country where the alleged target was known not to be and has to go into a different country to even try to achieve it's official  goal).  Of course, at least one person who babbled that sort of thing also claimed that Libya was only enforcing the "no-fly zone", to which I suggested they Google libya+"air strikes", unless they're afraid of "conspiracy news" sites like CBS and the BBC.

The conversion I was having was about the TSA. Pointed out to them that the TSA hasn't caught a single terrorist. He came back with, "Well, its a good placebo effect for paranoid schizos and people with anxiety problems get on airplanes and have that extra bit of calm to keep them from flipping out and trying to get out of the door midflight?"

Asked him why we don't have our junk touched at swimming pools, because more people have drowned somebody else in panic than opening a plane doors. And that was the response I got. 

Weirdly enough, this guy is a gay liberal. You'd think he'd care about the right to privacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 02, 2012, 01:08:26 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 01, 2012, 10:29:07 PM
The conversion I was having was about the TSA. Pointed out to them that the TSA hasn't caught a single terrorist. He came back with, "Well, its a good placebo effect for paranoid schizos and people with anxiety problems get on airplanes and have that extra bit of calm to keep them from flipping out and trying to get out of the door midflight?"

Asked him why we don't have our junk touched at swimming pools, because more people have drowned somebody else in panic than opening a plane doors. And that was the response I got. 

Weirdly enough, this guy is a gay liberal. You'd think he'd care about the right to privacy.

He would, if he wasn't stuck in Niemöller Mode 1.  Unfortunately, most people are stuck there and reflexively claim that anyone in Mode 2 must be subject to delusional paranoia for not being stuck in Mode 1.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 02, 2012, 03:04:55 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on September 02, 2012, 01:08:26 PM
He would, if he wasn't stuck in Niemöller Mode 1.  Unfortunately, most people are stuck there and reflexively claim that anyone in Mode 2 must be subject to delusional paranoia for not being stuck in Mode 1.

You, sir, get a cluon for that!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on September 02, 2012, 04:04:28 PM
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Made today. These people need to seriously get a clue. His candidacy is over. He could die and these idiots would still talk about running him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 02, 2012, 05:01:57 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on September 02, 2012, 04:04:28 PM
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Made today. These people need to seriously get a clue. His candidacy is over. He could die and these idiots would still talk about running him.

You should see people like this snap at me when I bring up Gary Johnson.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 03, 2012, 03:19:53 PM
Sorry Stef, I like ya, but this is something that had to be posted:
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While I never got into martial arts, simply passing it off as an excuse to hit people is just stupid.

One direct quote from the video:
"No, no, but sorry. When you say, 'I wasn't attracted to martial arts for the hitting.' That sounds to me, like saying, 'I wasn't attracted to tennis for knocking a ball around and I wasn't attracted to dancing for the music and the rhythm.' But that's what it is, it's hitting."

The difference between martial arts and just beating the shit out of people is 1. it's usually taught as either self-defense, or it is done for sport which is completely voluntary.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 03, 2012, 04:03:09 PM
I was under the impression that Martial arts as practiced today is often a spiritual exercise, in addition to self defense or as a sport. take [wiki]Yabusame[/wiki] for example, which is a Japanese style of horse archery: it started off, as all martial arts do, as a style of using a weapon in combat in as efficient a manner as possible. Nowadays, it is a ritual performed at shrines for religious and ceremonial causes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 03, 2012, 04:13:06 PM
I wonder what he would say about aikido, which is completely 100% defensive?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 03, 2012, 04:24:10 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 03, 2012, 04:13:06 PM
I wonder what he would say about aikido, which is completely 100% defensive?

or certain schools of Judo, which involves little to no hitting? frankly though, whether it has offensive or defensive emphasis matters little. what matters is what it is used for, and why--in much the same way as a firearm or an edged weapon is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 03, 2012, 04:47:22 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 03, 2012, 04:24:10 PM
or certain schools of Judo, which involves little to no hitting? frankly though, whether it has offensive or defensive emphasis matters little. what matters is what it is used for, and why--in much the same way as a firearm or an edged weapon is.

Kinda seems like he's speaking from ignorance. I have been in a life or death fight( step father tried to kill me, won't go into it anymore.) and most of the martial arts stuff I learned went out the window, except the really basic stuff, like how to dodge and strike. Pretty much stunned him than ran. That's what most self dense situations are.

But, When I was in Martial arts, it helped improve my balance and learn how to focus a little bit better.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 03, 2012, 04:49:26 PM
Sure, he probably didn't mean to say this, but let's be honest here. Republicans definitely think this.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 04, 2012, 01:40:13 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 03, 2012, 04:47:22 PM
Kinda seems like he's speaking from ignorance. I have been in a life or death fight( step father tried to kill me, won't go into it anymore.) and most of the martial arts stuff I learned went out the window, except the really basic stuff, like how to dodge and strike. Pretty much stunned him than ran. That's what most self dense situations are.

But, When I was in Martial arts, it helped improve my balance and learn how to focus a little bit better.

OK, so the reply confuses me slightly: I only refer to why one chooses to learn martial arts or to practice it, and I am well aware of how theory doesn't always turn to practice in a fight (try doing platoon fire with a fast shooting weapon). I also allude to other uses for martial arts.

If you refer to Stefan's comments, I would actually agree with you on that particular point. and in fact, I agree with your whole post.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 04, 2012, 12:03:14 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 04, 2012, 01:40:13 AM
OK, so the reply confuses me slightly: I only refer to why one chooses to learn martial arts or to practice it, and I am well aware of how theory doesn't always turn to practice in a fight (try doing platoon fire with a fast shooting weapon). I also allude to other uses for martial arts.

If you refer to Stefan's comments, I would actually agree with you on that particular point. and in fact, I agree with your whole post.

Just kinda seems to me that Stefan's arguing from ignorance, unaware of how modern martial arts function, wanted to set up a form of reference for people who are ignorant about how defense happens today. I took martial arts to improve myself and it had the added benefit of teaching me some basic self defense.   
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 04, 2012, 05:04:35 PM
This picture is serious fail:
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/402840_468737879826142_2379480_n.jpg)

Yeah, because Teddy Roosevelt and Abe Lincoln weren't complete douchebags or anything. Not to mention Eisenhower wasn't exactly the small government messiah that Republicans make him out to be.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 04, 2012, 05:59:34 PM
Quote from: D on September 04, 2012, 05:04:35 PM
This picture is serious fail:
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/402840_468737879826142_2379480_n.jpg)

Yeah, because Teddy Roosevelt and Abe Lincoln weren't complete douchebags or anything. Not to mention Eisenhower wasn't exactly the small government messiah that Republicans make him out to be.

Didn't Teddy Roosevelt abandon the Republican Party?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 04, 2012, 06:37:22 PM
This is so full of fail

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 04, 2012, 07:37:00 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on September 04, 2012, 06:37:22 PM
This is so full of fail

Geez, it's not as if there aren't private emergency services like OnStar where people can just look and see how well they work--MUCH better than 911, in fact!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 04, 2012, 07:42:22 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 04, 2012, 05:59:34 PM
Didn't Teddy Roosevelt abandon the Republican Party?

he did temporarily, because he though Taft wasn't towing the Roosevelt(skiy) line.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 04, 2012, 09:27:13 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 04, 2012, 07:37:00 PM
Geez, it's not as if there aren't private emergency services like OnStar where people can just look and see how well they work--MUCH better than 911, in fact!

Not to mention, the cops aren't legally obliged show up.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 05, 2012, 12:42:30 AM
Quote from: D on September 03, 2012, 03:19:53 PM
Sorry Stef, I like ya, but this is something that had to be posted:
[yt]cSUyEgS48rs[/yt]

While I never got into martial arts, simply passing it off as an excuse to hit people is just stupid.

One direct quote from the video:
"No, no, but sorry. When you say, 'I wasn't attracted to martial arts for the hitting.' That sounds to me, like saying, 'I wasn't attracted to tennis for knocking a ball around and I wasn't attracted to dancing for the music and the rhythm.' But that's what it is, it's hitting."

The difference between martial arts and just beating the shit out of people is 1. it's usually taught as either self-defense, or it is done for sport which is completely voluntary.

Have you seen the new one he made about this?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 05, 2012, 07:10:43 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 05, 2012, 12:42:30 AM
Have you seen the new one he made about this?

I'm watching it now.

Honestly, this video isn't much better. He's basically saying anyone who ever took an interest to martial arts was basically abused in some way, either by their parents or someone else. Basically, he's treating an interest in martial arts to as if it was some kind of disorder that needs to be fixed.

[yt]bRuBO_VbGFI[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 05, 2012, 09:07:13 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 04, 2012, 07:37:00 PM
Geez, it's not as if there aren't private emergency services like OnStar where people can just look and see how well they work--MUCH better than 911, in fact!

And, my comment to this effect in the video has been deleted. While the commenters call US butt-hurt. Yeah, statism: yet again showing itself to be as bad as creationism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 05, 2012, 12:54:01 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 05, 2012, 09:07:13 AM
And, my comment to this effect in the video has been deleted. While the commenters call US butt-hurt. Yeah, statism: yet again showing itself to be as bad as creationism.

Just put in the same comment, let's see what happens.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 05, 2012, 02:35:40 PM
The comments in this video:
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So much bullshit coming from the anti-non-government approved immigration crowd.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 05, 2012, 05:52:15 PM
[yt]07fTsF5BiSM[/yt]

All the people Schiff talks to in this video. Holy shit democrats are crazy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 05, 2012, 05:59:44 PM
let's ban profits? so then, let us also ban having an excess of food, knowledge, clothes, shoes, and possibly mates.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 05, 2012, 06:11:29 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 05, 2012, 05:59:44 PM
let's ban profits? so then, let us also ban having an excess of food, knowledge, clothes, shoes, and possibly mates.

I wonder how many of these clods support their local teachers union when they demand pay raises.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 05, 2012, 07:30:24 PM
On a forum I frequent, alot of Ron Paul people were talking about the November election. 75% said they were voting for Johnson, but you had a few "BUT WE NEED TO BEAT OBAMA" morons and this big pile of fail

QuoteAfter reading the Libertarian party platform, I find myself in support of all provisions except:
[LP Stance on immigration]
All illegal immigrants need to be rounded up and sent home. They should be given 30-90 days to "self deport" after which they should be forcibly detained and removed with all goods/property confiscated to pay for the cost of said removal. All monies of foreign governments located within the US should be held pending use to deport their nationals illegally residing in the US.
[LP stance of gays]
Except that I completely oppose homosexuals serving in the military. I would not want to live in close quarters or share group showers with homosexuals and it is wrong to force members of the military to do so.

I responded, If you want to pick a 3rd party that talks alot about freedom but only if you're a WASP you can vote Constitution Party.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 05, 2012, 07:31:26 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/10487_404251806296628_1316783449_n.jpg)

And Obamatons call US racist.

Absolutely disgusting.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 05, 2012, 09:06:28 PM
Oh this is good.

The National Atheist Party put this up on facebook:
QuoteFOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

National Atheist Party Endorses Barack Obama

Barack Obama Is Only Candidate With Equality and Social Justice Priorities

Florence, KY— September 4, 2012 Proclaiming that Barack Obama is the only candidate with social justice, the concerns of the Middle Class, and a responsible fiscal policy as clear priorities for his second administration, the National Atheist Party publicly announces its support for his re-election.

"President Obama is the only president in history to acknowledge the existence of atheist, humanist and other secular voters. That he has done so without disparagement is a hallmark of his belief in tolerance and secularism, a stance which echoes the founding principles of this nation." said Troy Boyle, President of the NAP.

Today's announcement marks the first public endorsement of a candidate for any office that the National Atheist Party, a minor party formed in the Spring of 2011, has made.

The National Atheist Party applauds President Obama for the many successes he has had in office, even though faced with intransigent Republican opposition. "The majority of the American people are ready to accept the idea of gay marriage, an issue on which the President has recently spoken of in favorable terms." said Boyle "Among many other issues, this is an issue that enjoys our membership's unanimous support. We stand with the President and other responsible leaders who recognize that loving couples of any orientation should be allowed to marry."

This endorsement was voted on by the 14,500+ general membership and supporters of the National Atheist Party and the consensus opinion represents the voices who made it clear that they support the re-election of Barack Obama. The National Atheist Party is a non-profit, 527 political organization devoted to issue advocacy and guided by the values of secular humanism and evidenced-based reasoning. The party seeks to politically represent U.S. atheists and all who share the goal of a secular government by gathering the political strength of secularists nationwide. To learn more about the party, visit www.usanap.org.

"Oh yeah we're totally our own party, but let's endorse democrats anyway."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 05, 2012, 11:45:01 PM
"Proclaiming that Barack Obama is the only candidate with social justice,"

No, Obama signed the NDAA and murdered a 16-year-old American citizen. You must be thinking of Gary Johnson, the candidate with the highest rating on civil liberties by the ACLU.

"the concerns of the Middle Class,"

No, under Obama, the tax burden on the middle class is the highest since WWII and rising every year. You're thinking of Johnson again.

"and a responsible fiscal policy"

No, Obama's increased the budget and the debt and vociferously opposed even a 2% reduction in the rate of growth! I guess you're thinking of the man with the plan to balance the budget in 2014...and that would be Johnson again.

Oh, and Obama's home church is a batshit crazy fundamentalist church. Gary Johnson's an agnostic.

Yeah, nice choice.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 06, 2012, 07:48:28 AM
So a scientific, peer reviewed study (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120903221122.htm) came out saying organic food is not all that much different from conventional food and the organic lovers are mad as hell.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 06, 2012, 02:04:52 PM
Quote from: D on September 06, 2012, 07:48:28 AM
So a scientific, peer reviewed study (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120903221122.htm) came out saying organic food is not all that much different from conventional food and the organic lovers are mad as hell.

[yt]8PmqUA8qfRQ[/yt]

And intentionally misleading about easily checked stuff, such as the stupidly wrong claim about the link to the study, which Science Daily has directly to the online version of the study.  When you find that the really easily verified stuff is obviously (and stupidly) wrong, the details become a pretty low priority.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 06, 2012, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: D on September 06, 2012, 07:48:28 AM
So a scientific, peer reviewed study (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120903221122.htm) came out saying organic food is not all that much different from conventional food and the organic lovers are mad as hell.

[yt]8PmqUA8qfRQ[/yt]

didn't Penn an teller commit mass murder at a feast to prove that Organics aren't much better than conventional?  :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 06, 2012, 06:03:30 PM
(http://oi50.tinypic.com/2415sif.jpg)

I had a short back and forth with the guy until he unfriended me.

>Can't defend your shitty president
>resort to pointless name calling

These kind of people are my favorite.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 06, 2012, 07:17:58 PM
From the comment section of the previously mentioned "Libertarian 911" video

R.E.H.W.R references that cops can't be held liable to answer a 911 call

The reply
QuoteNo, it's not the same thing. There's a difference between making up an excuse and going on the record stating "I didn't feel like going."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 06, 2012, 07:20:21 PM
Quote from: D on September 06, 2012, 06:03:30 PM
(http://oi50.tinypic.com/2415sif.jpg)

I had a short back and forth with the guy until he unfriended me.

>Can't defend your shitty president
>resort to pointless name calling

These kind of people are my favorite.

Gary Johnson Climbed Mt. Everest on a broken leg! I'll bet he could destroy Obama in basketball.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on September 06, 2012, 08:50:58 PM
Quote from: D on September 06, 2012, 06:03:30 PM
(http://oi50.tinypic.com/2415sif.jpg)

I had a short back and forth with the guy until he unfriended me.

>Can't defend your shitty president
>resort to pointless name calling

These kind of people are my favorite.

And if you aren't the kind of moron who stands in line for Air Jordan's you can vote for Gary Johnson. Also I'm not sure if the person who made that picture realizes it's not 1992 any more.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 06, 2012, 09:36:55 PM
Some more Paul cult fail

QuoteRon Paul will be a write in candidate in all 50 states, the r3EVOLution will see to that

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 06, 2012, 09:50:50 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on September 06, 2012, 07:17:58 PM
From the comment section of the previously mentioned "Libertarian 911" video

R.E.H.W.R references that cops can't be held liable to answer a 911 call

The reply

That was where I just kinda gave up.
No damn point.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on September 10, 2012, 07:07:43 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/barack-obama-rockets-to-large-lead-national-polls (http://www.examiner.com/article/barack-obama-rockets-to-large-lead-national-polls)

"In a race that has been so close for so many weeks in these national polls, a lead of four to five percent is quite significant. Many will attribute this expanded margin for the president to it being a post-convention "bounce."

Lets be real, it wasn't the Democratic Convention giving a bounce, it was the Republican Convention giving the challenger a kick in the nuts. The winner between these two will be the one who talks the least.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 10, 2012, 10:57:25 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on September 10, 2012, 07:07:43 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/barack-obama-rockets-to-large-lead-national-polls (http://www.examiner.com/article/barack-obama-rockets-to-large-lead-national-polls)

"In a race that has been so close for so many weeks in these national polls, a lead of four to five percent is quite significant. Many will attribute this expanded margin for the president to it being a post-convention "bounce."

Lets be real, it wasn't the Democratic Convention giving a bounce, it was the Republican Convention giving the challenger a kick in the nuts. The winner between these two will be the one who talks the least.

Or, it could just be that one-out-of-every-twenty polls that gives you a wacky result.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 13, 2012, 01:24:55 AM
[yt]E9ZWrTju17E[/yt]

You guys gotta see this. A lot victimization whining and going by the comments, this guy hasn't even played the Resident Evil 5.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 13, 2012, 06:48:52 AM
The comments by CraigCFlynn in this video(Which in itself contains Krugman fail):
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 13, 2012, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 13, 2012, 01:24:55 AM
[yt]E9ZWrTju17E[/yt]

You guys gotta see this. A lot victimization whining and going by the comments, this guy hasn't even played the Resident Evil 5.

And now this intellectual Bigot has spammed my comments and blocked me twice, because I called him out on a big lie.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 14, 2012, 12:10:19 AM
What did you say?  I don't actually know you're youtube name.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 14, 2012, 01:08:32 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on September 14, 2012, 12:10:19 AM
What did you say?  I don't actually know you're youtube name.

I used two, mine rehwr, which he blocked a long time ago, When he blocked a friend, I used a old YouTube account called DorksWithSwords42, just a stupid idea I had at the time.

He said that the character Sheva Alomar was British, which I corrected. Said that most poor places in Africa are non violent, I asked for proof, and said that nobody in Africa dresses in tribal gear, Which I called a broad statement and presented the Bushmen tribe.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 14, 2012, 01:17:09 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on September 14, 2012, 12:10:19 AM
What did you say?  I don't actually know you're youtube name.

When I used my rehwr account 9 months ago on this video, I may have made some bad arguments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 15, 2012, 10:48:27 PM
There has to be some bullshit in this!

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Vancouver+researcher+finds+shot+linked+H1N1+illness/7217609/story.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 15, 2012, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 15, 2012, 10:48:27 PM
There has to be some bullshit in this!

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Vancouver+researcher+finds+shot+linked+H1N1+illness/7217609/story.html

It sounds like they're claiming that getting one flu vaccine caused people to get sicker if they contracted a completely different flu strain than the one they got the vaccine for.  That's weird, but I can think of some mechanisms that might cause it.  It isn't something you could expect to be common, though.  If it was, we should have seen it before now.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 16, 2012, 07:53:55 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on September 15, 2012, 11:44:43 PM
It sounds like they're claiming that getting one flu vaccine caused people to get sicker if they contracted a completely different flu strain than the one they got the vaccine for.  That's weird, but I can think of some mechanisms that might cause it.  It isn't something you could expect to be common, though.  If it was, we should have seen it before now.

Remember that this particular vaccine was rushed through without the usual testing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 16, 2012, 01:39:59 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 16, 2012, 07:53:55 AM
Remember that this particular vaccine was rushed through without the usual testing.

By who? Oh, ya the government.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 16, 2012, 02:34:32 PM
"The chemical imbalance isn't genetic, but caused by toxins getting into your blood via holes in your gut aka 'leaky gut'."

This person's idea of what causes ADHD.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 16, 2012, 06:47:47 PM
This one sadly comes from the Capitalism Institute on Facebook.

They posted a story about how the Occupy movement is basically in disarray and said how they're basically not going to achieve anything when they're completely unorganized and what not. That's not the fail. The fail comes when he says the following:

"Meanwhile, the Tea Party lives on, because the mixture of conservatives and libertarians know what we want: spending cuts, tax cuts, regulatory cuts, and constitutional government."

>Tea Party
>wanting to limit government in ANY way

On what planet is this?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 16, 2012, 10:29:26 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 16, 2012, 07:53:55 AM
Remember that this particular vaccine was rushed through without the usual testing.

Not this one.  The H1N1 vaccine was rushed through without all the normal testing, but what they're saying here is that people (and test animals) who got the flu shot from the year before and then got H1N1 got sicker than those who didn't get the previous year's vaccine.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 17, 2012, 04:35:02 AM
"Lol no.

And capitalism has been thriving off of slave labor for centuries. Capitalism wouldn't have gotten us where we are today if it weren't for slaves.

Socialism, at least, is all about empowering the workers. If it uses authoritarian means in any way, shape, or form, it's not socialism."

He said that the Nazi's despite the obvious flaws, was an economic success. I brought up slave labor In Nazi regime and how capitalism worked well even without slaves and this is the response I got.

Socialist crack me up!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 17, 2012, 12:01:47 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 17, 2012, 04:35:02 AM
"Lol no.

And capitalism has been thriving off of slave labor for centuries. Capitalism wouldn't have gotten us where we are today if it weren't for slaves.

Socialism, at least, is all about empowering the workers. If it uses authoritarian means in any way, shape, or form, it's not socialism."

He said that the Nazi's despite the obvious flaws, was an economic success. I brought up slave labor In Nazi regime and how capitalism worked well even without slaves and this is the response I got.

Socialist crack me up!

Never mind that Nazi economic policies would turn a healthy economy into a basket case in short order.  The only reason things got better (for a while) under the Nazis is the previous economic policies were so much worse.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 17, 2012, 03:40:36 PM
QuoteHe said that the Nazi's despite the obvious flaws, was an economic success.

It's easy to improve finances when you're already "rolling pennies for meals" broke.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 17, 2012, 04:46:05 PM
This is just laughable.

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/227972_469746313055905_252349202_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 17, 2012, 06:54:54 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on September 17, 2012, 03:40:36 PM
It's easy to improve finances when you're already "rolling pennies for meals" broke.

Ya, he deleted his comment before I could respond.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 17, 2012, 10:50:40 PM
Quote from: D on September 17, 2012, 04:46:05 PM
This is just laughable.

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/227972_469746313055905_252349202_n.jpg)
I stared for a while, and then lolled.

This happened more than once--today.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 18, 2012, 09:52:59 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on September 17, 2012, 03:40:36 PM
It's easy to improve finances when you're already "rolling pennies for meals" broke.

The point where you're so poor, you're having children just so you can have a cheap alternative to turkey at Christmas. :-P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 18, 2012, 11:15:22 AM
Quote from: Virgil0211 on September 18, 2012, 09:52:59 AM
The point where you're so poor, you're having children just so you can have a cheap alternative to turkey at Christmas. :-P

or selling them off to slavery, like they used to do where I come from if things got ugly XD
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 18, 2012, 12:10:16 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 18, 2012, 11:15:22 AM
or selling them off to slavery, like they used to do where I come from if things got ugly XD

Instead of selling them, can I just have them as MY slaves? I can't even get them to clean their rooms!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 18, 2012, 12:21:18 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 18, 2012, 12:10:16 PM
Instead of selling them, can I just have them as MY slaves? I can't even get them to clean their rooms!

That's why you sell them with a "no returns" policy. :-P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 18, 2012, 02:22:35 PM
The dweeb at the very end of the video. You'll know who I'm talking about when you see him. Kennedy correctly tells him that federal student loans are part of the problem with high tuition rates and he simply shrugs it off and acts like a complete douchebag.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 19, 2012, 01:51:12 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 18, 2012, 12:10:16 PM
Instead of selling them, can I just have them as MY slaves? I can't even get them to clean their rooms!

I doubt it, though there are firsts  :P

@ D: and of course, further making things worse is that most students can't pay it back: in an economy that favors older people, younger people can't get a break. I know I can't--no one will hire me, even with my experience. guess it doesn't mean jack if you're 22.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 19, 2012, 02:48:08 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 19, 2012, 01:51:12 PM
I doubt it, though there are firsts  :P

@ D: and of course, further making things worse is that most students can't pay it back: in an economy that favors older people, younger people can't get a break. I know I can't--no one will hire me, even with my experience. guess it doesn't mean jack if you're 22.

Shit! I am 22! And I'm Fucked!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 19, 2012, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 19, 2012, 02:48:08 PM
Shit! I am 22! And I'm Fucked!

If it's any consolation, I'm 44 and things ain't much better.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 19, 2012, 04:31:41 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 19, 2012, 03:41:56 PM
If it's any consolation, I'm 44 and things ain't much better.

times are tough all around. at least (I'm hoping), you don't have parents suffering from a near total disconnect from reality (e.g. mine).

both think it's a must if I either get a job as a geologist, or go back to university for engineering (something I've long given up on as a lost cause, but they keep bleating on about)--neither of which are possible atm, as no one will hire me (whether I'm qualified or not), and we already spent--wasted--enough money getting me a stupid piece of paper saying I know how to do Geology. keep reading...

and the sick part? I know there is work available in North Dakota that I will definitely be hired for--I have to show up in person though.

easy enough, but I can't get there, because in addition to the general lack of hiring down here, the same parents have gotten in the way of me getting even a low paying job (mostly by throwing a whole bunch of red herrings), cratered my bank account (which they have access to--it was from before I turned 18), further rendering me unable to even make money to leave. And my parent's reaction to the news from ND? "no interview, no help" (yeah, I know). There's barely a day when I wish they'd just get off my case. I'd say more, but one must always be carefully what you wish for....especially publicly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 19, 2012, 05:19:32 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 19, 2012, 04:31:41 PM
times are tough all around. at least (I'm hoping), you don't have parents suffering from a near total disconnect from reality (e.g. mine).

Well, my dad and stepdad are about as disconnected from reality as you can be...they've passed on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 19, 2012, 05:53:30 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 19, 2012, 05:19:32 PM
Well, my dad and stepdad are about as disconnected from reality as you can be...they've passed on.

If it wasn't the fact it was about your parents(or any loved one), that would be a pretty funny line.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 19, 2012, 05:58:15 PM
Just more proof that the elderly are NOT all poor and in need of welfare.  They have the biggest lobby and they dont' like having to compete with young entrepreneurs who don't yet have families or prior debts.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 19, 2012, 07:22:51 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 19, 2012, 05:53:30 PM
If it wasn't the fact it was about your parents(or any loved one), that would be a pretty funny line.

I was hoping it would be funny. If you can't laugh at death, what can you laugh at?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 19, 2012, 09:00:52 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 19, 2012, 07:22:51 PM
I was hoping it would be funny. If you can't laugh at death, what can you laugh at?

I didn't wanna step on someone's toes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 19, 2012, 09:03:35 PM
Quote from: D on September 17, 2012, 04:46:05 PM
This is just laughable.

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/227972_469746313055905_252349202_n.jpg)

Libertarian version.

A big question mark.

Caption: We don't know. We're not so arrogant to think we can see the future.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 19, 2012, 09:19:17 PM
http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/The-Hypocrisy-IT-BURNS-328140460

...

...I can't top this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 20, 2012, 05:00:45 AM
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You gotta love historical inaccuracies and flat out lies.

Seriously, a bullet fired from an "assault weapon" can go through a door easier than a rifle?!?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 20, 2012, 08:54:14 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 20, 2012, 05:00:45 AM
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You gotta love historical inaccuracies and flat out lies.

Seriously, a bullet fired from an "assault weapon" can go through a door easier than a rifle?!?

And, not surprisingly, both comments and ratings are disabled.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 20, 2012, 01:58:20 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on September 20, 2012, 08:54:14 AM
And, not surprisingly, both comments and ratings are disabled.

Who ever invented the term, "spray fire" needs to be slapped. Its one of those magic words, like toxins for quack doctors.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 20, 2012, 02:58:31 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 20, 2012, 05:00:45 AM
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You gotta love historical inaccuracies and flat out lies.

Seriously, a bullet fired from an "assault weapon" can go through a door easier than a rifle?!?

apparently, she doesn't know that Assault Rifles usually don't because they use a shorter round, with much less power, that way you can still accurately shoot the weapon on full auto, while having enough strength to act as a rifle in semi automatic--albeit one that isn't as likely to go right through everything.

EDIT: and for the record, half the things she lists are not assault rifles. oh wait, "assault weapon", to quote this idiot.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 21, 2012, 04:32:20 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 20, 2012, 02:58:31 PM
apparently, she doesn't know that Assault Rifles usually don't because they use a shorter round, with much less power, that way you can still accurately shoot the weapon on full auto, while having enough strength to act as a rifle in semi automatic--albeit one that isn't as likely to go right through everything.

EDIT: and for the record, half the things she lists are not assault rifles. oh wait, "assault weapon", to quote this idiot.

This one is just hilarious.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 22, 2012, 04:03:00 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 21, 2012, 04:32:20 PM
This one is just hilarious.
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*groan*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 22, 2012, 06:50:20 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 22, 2012, 04:03:00 PM
*groan*

Machine gun sniper rifle? Really?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 22, 2012, 07:16:41 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 22, 2012, 06:50:20 PM
Machine gun sniper rifle? Really?

Well, the old record for longest-range sniper kill (before the current one, set with a 50 caliber rifle that was built as a sniper rifle from the ground up) was set with a rifle that started out as a machine gun.  Before being converted to single-shot fire only, and having numerous modifications to improve repeatability of shot placement.  (If you want to have the ability to snipe targets at extreme range and there's no purpose-built sniper rifle or conventional hunting rifle of such range, and lack the facilities to produce an entirely new gun design, you have to start with an existing gun with adequate range, then make it accurate enough.  A 50 caliber machine gun typically has a range of over a mile.)

Of course, he's not talking about that, or anything else in the real world.  This is just stringing together random gun-related words, like "assault weapon" (there are assault RIFLES, but no such category as "assault weapon"), and "high-power assault rifle" (assault rifles are, BY DEFINITION, less powerful than, say, a hunting rifle of the same caliber, military rifles designed to fire full-power rifle cartridges are usually called battle rifles).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 22, 2012, 08:52:44 PM
Quote from: D on September 17, 2012, 04:46:05 PM
This is just laughable.

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/227972_469746313055905_252349202_n.jpg)

What I find funny is that New Hampshire (the chosen destination for the Free State Project) has lots of small-government tendencies, and yet is one of the nicest places to live in the country.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 23, 2012, 05:46:05 AM
He's Back!

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on September 23, 2012, 02:09:21 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 21, 2012, 04:32:20 PM
This one is just hilarious.
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Pretty sure this is a troll. He says we should ban things like black reflective paint  :D

Edit: OK, i am 100% sure this is sarcastic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSp2PpmQLC4&feature=player_detailpage#t=255s This is actually pretty brilliant  ;D

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 23, 2012, 02:44:54 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/482896_278007088981676_296418135_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 23, 2012, 05:57:58 PM
Quote from: VectorM on September 23, 2012, 02:09:21 PM
Pretty sure this is a troll. He says we should ban things like black reflective paint  :D

Edit: OK, i am 100% sure this is sarcastic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSp2PpmQLC4&feature=player_detailpage#t=255s This is actually pretty brilliant  ;D

I don't know, if you find the guys actual channel, he deleted this video, he's got some other videos that make the same points.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 23, 2012, 06:45:39 PM
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Sure.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 23, 2012, 06:54:06 PM
I swear, this may be the most savage thing I've ever read from a so called "civilized person."

A little back story first. A report was posted on the other forum I go to about a man who killed a woman because she didn't tell him until after they had sex that she had HIV and she gave it to him too. People in the thread were justifying the murder. I pointed out that revenge killing is not the answer. The response (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1269663&postcount=17) I got contains so much bullshit that you might want to put on some safety goggles. You have been warned:

QuoteA revenge killing is not equivalent to a non-revenge killing. If someone dooms you to die slowly and painfully, then you have been deeply and irrevocably wronged, and thus taking revenge on them is, even if only for you personally, absolutely justified. Who cares what the law has to say about it? I'd rather take action against my enemy than rely on the apparatus of the judiciary to deal with them in some soft, impersonal way, where a just conviction is not guaranteed in the first place thanks to loopholes, expensive lawyers, insufficient evidence, etc.

In this case, the woman basically doomed the man, and she was completely unprovoked (i.e. had absolutely no cause to wish death on him). The man, conversely, had been provoked to the highest degree. She had just ruined his life, utterly. So, the revenge killer is not 'as bad as' the woman. What she did was heinous. What he did was understandable.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on September 23, 2012, 07:12:38 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 23, 2012, 05:57:58 PM
I don't know, if you find the guys actual channel, he deleted this video, he's got some other videos that make the same points.

What is his real channel? This one has the above video and a bunch of gaming related stuff.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 23, 2012, 09:06:38 PM
Quote from: VectorM on September 23, 2012, 07:12:38 PM
What is his real channel? This one has the above video and a bunch of gaming related stuff.

Killallguns
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 23, 2012, 09:09:03 PM
Quote from: D on September 23, 2012, 06:54:06 PM
I swear, this may be the most savage thing I've ever read from a so called "civilized person."

A little back story first. A report was posted on the other forum I go to about a man who killed a woman because she didn't tell him until after they had sex that she had HIV and she gave it to him too. People in the thread were justifying the murder. I pointed out that revenge killing is not the answer. The response (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1269663&postcount=17) I got contains so much bullshit that you might want to put on some safety goggles. You have been warned:

Is there any way he could have sued her?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 23, 2012, 10:58:09 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 23, 2012, 09:09:03 PM
Is there any way he could have sued her?

He could not only have sued her, but brought criminal charges against her as well.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 23, 2012, 11:38:25 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 23, 2012, 10:58:09 PM
He could not only have sued her, but brought criminal charges against her as well.

Out of curiosity, what would they charge her with?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 24, 2012, 07:00:22 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 23, 2012, 11:38:25 PM
Out of curiosity, what would they charge her with?

Some places have "criminal transmission" laws; she could also be charged with assault, substantial bodily harm, and even attempted murder.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 24, 2012, 07:21:14 AM
"Back in the OT they were under "THE LAW" GOD did not play back in those days. Things like rape, murder were punishable by death. GOD told the Israelites not to intermarry with foreigners. Because they worshipped idols, practiced homosexuality, incest, sex with animals. Casting their newborn children into the fiery furnace as a sacrifice to their gods baal, & molech the fish god. We are under the period of grace and mercy through JESUS CHRIST. "

I laughed when I read this!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 24, 2012, 03:30:40 PM
Quote from: D on September 23, 2012, 02:44:54 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/482896_278007088981676_296418135_n.jpg)

considering he is clearly wasting his time, I think being in a factory would be an improvement.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 24, 2012, 04:19:54 PM
well I just found out why my Dad doesn't know what's going on: the person responsible keeps hiding news from him (i.e. Mom). I clearly need a way of speaking to him more often.

(in case you're wondering, I can't call him; phone only receives calls from outside the US and Canada, and He's in China atm on business. even when he ain't, he's in Kuwait. So I rely on mom to transport all news--apparently he missed the parts about why I'm looking for work, or that I'm still applying for graduate school. turns out he's pretty understanding.).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 24, 2012, 05:38:37 PM
Pretty much both these threads:

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=857
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=920

I think I just figured out what Atheism+ means: Atheism plus statist dogma.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 24, 2012, 06:27:29 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 24, 2012, 05:38:37 PM
Pretty much both these threads:

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=857
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=920

I think I just figured out what Atheism+ means: Atheism plus statist dogma.

That was absolutely painful to read.

Seriously, someone should make a thread there that says "Why skepticism is not compatible with Atheism+" and post the links to those threads.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 24, 2012, 06:55:14 PM
QuoteTL;DR: Handing power to the majority in the way that Libertarianism does fucks over the minority.

Right, kind of like how seemingly every year in Florida we have ballot measures to ban X or add new taxes to Y just because 50%+1 say so
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 24, 2012, 08:33:29 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 24, 2012, 05:38:37 PM
Pretty much both these threads:

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=857
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=920

I think I just figured out what Atheism+ means: Atheism plus statist dogma.

If I made a water drinking game, where I drank a shot of water for every bit of bogosity I just read, I would die of Water Intoxication.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on September 24, 2012, 10:58:10 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 24, 2012, 05:38:37 PM
Pretty much both these threads:

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=857
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=920

I think I just figured out what Atheism+ means: Atheism plus statist dogma.

There is one good thing about atheism+. A lot of atheists pretend that statist dogma is somehow implicit in not believing in God. The + part pretty much says that their brain dead philosophy is in addition too, not a part of not going to church on Sundays.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 25, 2012, 04:21:49 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on September 24, 2012, 10:58:10 PM
There is one good thing about atheism+. A lot of atheists pretend that statist dogma is somehow implicit in not believing in God. The + part pretty much says that their brain dead philosophy is in addition too, not a part of not going to church on Sundays.

you're making things too hard: just call "atheism +" what it is:

1- "Statheism"
2- a large circle-jerk.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 26, 2012, 03:09:03 AM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/598640_10151049140904117_1574674749_n.jpg)

This isn't creepy at all!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 26, 2012, 06:36:08 PM
This guy. (http://wonkette.com/484967/the-obama-dystopia-kids-complain-about-school-lunch-for-first-time-ever)

Basically blames teenagers for getting tired of schools being restrictive of their lunches.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 26, 2012, 07:12:29 PM
Quote from: D on September 26, 2012, 06:36:08 PM
This guy. (http://wonkette.com/484967/the-obama-dystopia-kids-complain-about-school-lunch-for-first-time-ever)

Basically blames teenagers for getting tired of schools being restrictive of their lunches.

I love how he goes on that tirade about giving kids more food choices while the law is taking away a food choice.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 26, 2012, 08:04:44 PM
Quote from: D on September 26, 2012, 06:36:08 PM
This guy. (http://wonkette.com/484967/the-obama-dystopia-kids-complain-about-school-lunch-for-first-time-ever)

Basically blames teenagers for getting tired of schools being restrictive of their lunches.

We protested the school lunches when I was in 9th grade. If he thinks that's anything new, he's as ignorant as he is dogmatic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 26, 2012, 11:57:13 PM
Quote
Capitalism would not exist if the state didn't use force to support the idea of "private property"...

-Occupy Jacksonville

I'll leave it at that
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 27, 2012, 12:52:24 AM
Quote from: D on September 26, 2012, 06:36:08 PM
This guy. (http://wonkette.com/484967/the-obama-dystopia-kids-complain-about-school-lunch-for-first-time-ever)

Basically blames teenagers for getting tired of schools being restrictive of their lunches.

I can tell you this:

80 cents, Kuwait: an excellent oregano, cheese, or "pizza" style bakes, juice, and a side order (chips or chocolate). you can sub the juice for Pop. either way, it lasted the whole day, and it tasted good enough.

many times that amount in America when I was a twelfth grader: tasted like offal, lost 30 pounds.... (ok, the stress of that year certainly didn't help).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on September 27, 2012, 02:10:50 AM
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His advice is to stay in the Republican party and to vote for Barack Obama (not a typo) especially in my state. I get the argument that Romney could be worse for Libertarians than Obama and have made some of the same arguments, but both staying in the Republican Party and voting for Obama strike me as bat shit crazy.

With Gary Johnson coming to my state all the time and the fact that the Constitution Party beat the Republican Party more than 3 to 1 in the last Governors race I think it is definitely possible to deliver my state to Gary Johnson this year.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 27, 2012, 05:12:12 PM
Harry, as always, was full of win, but oh at the fail in the comments:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 28, 2012, 02:53:10 AM
Well, I posted a reply to you, which I think will come in handy with that one guy who doesn't know jack about the "wild west".

fact of the matters is, while homocide and violence in general were common, they were only so in certain boon-towns, gold rush centers, and other similar places, with unusually high percentages of young males. These in turn usually kept the shooting to themselves, and killed for reasons including money, rep, honor (I know), and even politics--and usually in a self-defensive manner. women, children, the old, and the innocent were left well alone, and for your average townperson who minded his business, it was probably safer--much safer--than today's cities. this is corroborated by towns like Portland, which had no such demographic inequality.

further: people didn't hire gunfighters for farming disputes--not that I'm aware of. usually either went to court over it. if violence was used, it was between the male members of the property holders' family or friends.

Also, for the record, you are right: people really do exaggerate people's exploits--Wild Bill Hicock aside--the real deal was crazy enough (srsly, 75 yard shot with a single action pistol on a windy day striking a man dead in his heart--that shit happened).


that's what happens when you research shit for the Black hills..you learn all matter of weird things.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 28, 2012, 04:20:38 AM
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I spliced your podcast and Alfonzo's videos together. Mostly I was bored out my mind and needed something to do. You've pissed off the Neo-cons, Shane.

This one was all kinds of fail worthy.
"Shanedk, you ask how many times the U.S. has to "be able to invade the entire world"? How many times should your immune system be considered justified in attacking viruses? The U.S. does not start wars. Were it to quit opposing those who do, this entire globe would be in flames in short order."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 28, 2012, 06:09:16 AM
Dammit Samuel L. Jackson, why did you have to do this?

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 28, 2012, 09:24:45 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 28, 2012, 04:20:38 AMYou've pissed off the Neo-cons, Shane.

It's a hobby.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 28, 2012, 02:16:28 PM
Ok, I keep getting the "the First Libertarians were socialist!" thing. Is there any validity to this?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 28, 2012, 03:45:45 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 28, 2012, 02:16:28 PM
Ok, I keep getting the "the First Libertarians were socialist!" thing. Is there any validity to this?

no, not really.

the first roots of this ideology dates back to well before socialism was even thought of in Europe
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 28, 2012, 05:28:37 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 28, 2012, 03:45:45 PM
no, not really.

the first roots of this ideology dates back to well before socialism was even thought of in Europe

Ithink they are talking about the term libertarian.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 28, 2012, 05:34:26 PM
Quote from: D on September 28, 2012, 06:09:16 AM
Dammit Samuel L. Jackson, why did you have to do this?

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Good thing we have Nick Gillespie.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 28, 2012, 06:55:11 PM
"Pretty bold of you to call someone a coward Dave. Maybe you could post one more real wrestling post." - My uncle Mike.

>Call Paul Krugman a coward for not accepting Murphy's debate challenge
>Get stupid comment making fun of the fact that I like pro wrestling

Distractions. Distractions everywhere.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 28, 2012, 08:15:52 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 28, 2012, 05:28:37 PM
Ithink they are talking about the term libertarian.

well, from the way the quote was posted, it gives the impression that it was about the people or ideology of the people called "Libertarians".

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 28, 2012, 08:55:52 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 28, 2012, 05:28:37 PM
Ithink they are talking about the term libertarian.

Well then:

"1789, "one who holds the doctrine of free will" (opposed to necessitarian), from liberty (q.v.) on model of unitarian, etc. Political sense of "person advocating liberty in thought and conduct" is from 1878. As an adjective by 1882. U.S. Libertarian Party founded in Colorado, 1971." (source: Online Etymology Dictionary)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 28, 2012, 08:57:49 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 28, 2012, 08:15:52 PM
well, from the way the quote was posted, it gives the impression that it was about the people or ideology of the people called "Libertarians".

Maybe I worded it wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on September 29, 2012, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: D on September 28, 2012, 06:09:16 AM
Dammit Samuel L. Jackson, why did you have to do this?

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Dude acts to get paid, yo. Oh, and he totally supports Obama. That too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 29, 2012, 05:57:57 PM
Idiots like this guy give Libertarians a bad name, per Independent Political Report
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2012/09/four-candidates-confirmed-for-free-and-equal-presidential-debate/#comments (http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2012/09/four-candidates-confirmed-for-free-and-equal-presidential-debate/#comments)
Quote

Look I understand you want independents, I do too. Virgil Goode is a much better candidate than Mitt Romney and I voted for and donated to Ron Paul. But let's face facts. Even though Mitt Romney is a liberal moron with a weird religion, at least he was born in the USA, does not get on his knees to Mecca five times a day, and is not a Marxist Communist, which is more than I can say for our Kenyan tribal chief "president" Comrade Obongo.

If you care about the future of the White Race and our Nation this year we all have to vote Republican, otherwise in four years we will have an economy like Zimbabwe and Sharia law, and gangs of marauding Mexican and African savages will rape every White woman in the country over and over and over again.

First things first. Get rid of the illegal alien invader Obongo even though we are voting for a liberal moron Republican. Unite as Tea Party conservatives and with the help of Jesus in four or eight years elect a true leader such as Rand Paul, David Duke or Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on October 01, 2012, 06:00:35 PM
Response I got on a different site concerning the election

My post
"Let's cut out the Fox News propaganda here. In 3.5 years, besides Obamacare, Barack Obama's most notable accomplishments have been
1. More raids on medical marijuana clinics than were conducted in all of Bush's 8 years (http://justsaynow.firedoglake.com/2011/10/10/obamas-multi-agency-war-on-medical-marijuana/)
2. More warrantless spying on American citizens than in all of Bush's 8 years (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/09/aclu-forces-government-to-reveal-skyrocketing-surveillance-stats/)
3. Expanding America's war in the Middle East, included an endless drone war in Pakistan that is only going to create further insurgents that hate us "for our freedoms" or whatever is politically expedient

The reason Romney is going to have his ass handed to him in November is that he isn't any different than Obama on any of those issues. How can anyone who implemented Obamacare at the state level say with a straight face that he'll do something about it? How can a guy who wants to increase the military budget despite ever increasing fears about our national debt pull in any real fiscal conservatives? Etc, etc.

The only two people in this election who were saying anything different were Ron Paul and Gary Johnson.
"

The response I got
QuoteHere in one post, you see the far left as it is.  Let's examine.

"Fox News".  Along with Dr. Limbaugh the favorite bogeyman of the far left.  You see, because of the backwards thinking of liberals, it is impossible for them to accept that thoughtful people simply examined an issue and came to a different conclusion.  No, all "right thinking" people agree with them, and those that disagree are somehow duped.

"Pot".  Buckley, Lowrey, Rand, I could go on listing conservatives who opposed drug prohibition.  One need not bother to list liberals who support it.  Because the issue has nothing to do with left or right.  Except to the extent that it is just another bad lifestyle decision that people make, and then ask the responsible to subsidize.

"Warrantless searches".  Umm, yes.  The Party of Segregation disrespects civil right.  Socialism is the opposite of freedom.  What a newsflash.

"War".  You see, to the liberal, "peace" is just another way of backward thining, and people who understand that peace is the absence of opposition to America, must be for "war".  Of course, as Dole told us, the 20th Century is the history of democrat wars.

"Ass handed to him".  You see, to the leftist, there is an strange desire to be "popular".  Of course, no one expects this election to be a blowout for either side.  In fact, 8 out of the last 10 elections have been very close.   But, it all goes back to the old Julia Child quote "But everybody I know voted for McGovern."  Yep.

In sum, to the liberal, with his (or more commonly her) backward thining, you just wish for something to be true, and then assume that those who understand that simple wishes are not a policy, are "evil".

Its sad, really.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 02, 2012, 01:39:42 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 28, 2012, 04:20:38 AM
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I spliced your podcast and Alfonzo's videos together. Mostly I was bored out my mind and needed something to do. You've pissed off the Neo-cons, Shane.

This one was all kinds of fail worthy.
"Shanedk, you ask how many times the U.S. has to "be able to invade the entire world"? How many times should your immune system be considered justified in attacking viruses? The U.S. does not start wars. Were it to quit opposing those who do, this entire globe would be in flames in short order."

Okay guys, I need some back up. I'm getting swarmed by Neo Cons who can't tell the difference between Liberals and Libertarians.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 02, 2012, 06:22:27 PM
Governor Dannel Malloy brings in his fail by claiming infrastructure solves all economic problems.

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"You got to start telling the truth that the state UNDERinvested. That's why we lost jobs for 22 years in a row on a net basis. When you're not rebuilding your infrastructure and, quite frankly, when you're not expanding your infrastructure, you lose."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 02, 2012, 06:49:51 PM
Organic Conspiratards annoy the shit out of me.

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/377203_470890239598650_557851509_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 02, 2012, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: D on October 02, 2012, 06:49:51 PM
Organic Conspiratards annoy the shit out of me.

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/377203_470890239598650_557851509_n.jpg)

Ya, I always seem to like a group, then this crap shows up.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 02, 2012, 10:37:01 PM
Quote from: D on October 02, 2012, 06:22:27 PM
Governor Dannel Malloy brings in his fail by claiming infrastructure solves all economic problems.

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"You got to start telling the truth that the state UNDERinvested. That's why we lost jobs for 22 years in a row on a net basis. When you're not rebuilding your infrastructure and, quite frankly, when you're not expanding your infrastructure, you lose."

Hmmm, let's see...

Proper infrastructure spending is in response to growth, and isn't able to cause healthy growth in and of itself.

So, even if the claim that there has not been sufficient infrastructure spending is true, what evidence does he have that a new high-speed rail link is what the state needs?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on October 03, 2012, 07:04:57 PM
The way some "libertarians" cling to the Republican Party really scares me sometimes. Case in point

QuoteI have and will continue to walk the walk as well as talk the talk as long as God will allow me enough good health to continue.

    I am also old enough to know that everything is not always textbook perfect in politics, or for that matter, in anything else. In fact life is mostly what happens to you while you're making other plans. I know that there are always stumbling blocks that need to be overcome. They cannot be overcome by dogged refusal to do what is best at any given point in time.

    The history of our country, the strength of our people and their collective resolve is not to quit and resort to standby status at critical moments. Right now our nation is in a situation that Mitt Romney is better equipped with the financial know how and more attuned to how a Free Enterprise Republic should operate than is Barack Obama, who actually wants to turn us into a complete socialized society (remember "If Congress doesn't cooperate with me, I'll just bypass them and do it anyway").

    Do I think Mitt Romney is perfect? Of course not. Neither is Gary Johnson, Ron Paul or anyone else.

    To not recognize the fact that there is almost no chance whatsoever to have anyone other than Barack Obama or Mitt Romney as our next president is simply naive. I believe that too just stand by and let the chips fall where they may, regardless of either valid or invalid misgivings, is a dangerous mistake.

    Wise dedicated American voters will go to the polls and choose whichever of those two they believe will be the best for our nation. My choice, and I hope your choice, will be Mitt Romney.

 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 03, 2012, 07:28:46 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on October 03, 2012, 07:04:57 PMThe way some "libertarians" cling to the Republican Party really scares me sometimes. Case in point

Compare the arguments they make to the things battered spouses give as reasons for not leaving the marriage.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 03, 2012, 08:03:32 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 03, 2012, 07:28:46 PM
Compare the arguments they make to the things battered spouses give as reasons for not leaving the marriage.

likely with similar consequences: utter ruin.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 03, 2012, 08:15:53 PM
I wish liberals wouldn't try to throw economics around when they don't know a damn thing about economics. If they knew anything about economics, they would understand that Obama DOES believe in trickle down theory.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 04, 2012, 01:34:14 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 28, 2012, 04:20:38 AM
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I spliced your podcast and Alfonzo's videos together. Mostly I was bored out my mind and needed something to do. You've pissed off the Neo-cons, Shane.

This one was all kinds of fail worthy.
"Shanedk, you ask how many times the U.S. has to "be able to invade the entire world"? How many times should your immune system be considered justified in attacking viruses? The U.S. does not start wars. Were it to quit opposing those who do, this entire globe would be in flames in short order."

Shane I think you need to defend yourself from This comment.

"This guy is operating on whole set of preconceived assumptions that he is imposing on Zo just because he doesn't like his religious persuasion. And he is also isolating statements and cherry picking interpretations of what he is saying just so that he can spin out his own soap box inanities. I'm not particularly religious myself but this guy just comes off in this vid like a pretentious and obnoxious prick."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on October 04, 2012, 01:42:20 PM
"I'm not looking to cut massive taxes and reduce the government revenue"- Mitt Romney.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 04, 2012, 03:56:01 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 04, 2012, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: D on October 04, 2012, 03:56:01 PM
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I knew Football was an international conspiracy, My face goes numb from watching it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 04, 2012, 06:23:11 PM
How do you respond the whole "those social countries that are violent, aren't really socialist." claim?

I don't really get it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 04, 2012, 06:25:37 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on October 04, 2012, 01:42:20 PM
"I'm not looking to cut massive taxes and reduce the government revenue"- Mitt Romney.

And THAT is why I'm not voting for Mitt.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 04, 2012, 06:26:19 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 04, 2012, 06:23:11 PM
How do you respond the whole "those social countries that are violent, aren't really socialist." claim?

I don't really get it.

It's your basic No True Scotsman fallacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 04, 2012, 06:27:02 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 04, 2012, 06:23:11 PM
How do you respond the whole "those social countries that are violent, aren't really socialist." claim?

I don't really get it.

Sounds like a "No True Scotsman" fallacy to me. That or they're just completely delusional to the fact that socialism requires force/violence/aggression in order for it to even be possible. If there were no acts of force in a socialist society, what would stop me from simply refusing to give up the fruits of my labor to them or insist that I own my property? What would force me to pay for other people's healthcare? The simple fact is, only through violence can the concept of socialism be achieved, and that is exactly what is wrong with socialism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 04, 2012, 07:00:38 PM
Quote from: D on October 04, 2012, 06:27:02 PM
Sounds like a "No True Scotsman" fallacy to me. That or they're just completely delusional to the fact that socialism requires force/violence/aggression in order for it to even be possible. If there were no acts of force in a socialist society, what would stop me from simply refusing to give up the fruits of my labor to them or insist that I own my property? What would force me to pay for other people's healthcare? The simple fact is, only through violence can the concept of socialism be achieved, and that is exactly what is wrong with socialism.

And the response was.
"Where do you get this notion that socialism dictates that an individual be forced to share?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 04, 2012, 07:13:04 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 04, 2012, 07:00:38 PM
And the response was.
"Where do you get this notion that socialism dictates that an individual be forced to share?"

outside Anarcho-Cynicism (even then), I get it reading nearly every piece of literature on the subject...most notably from that one book, I forget it's name--it's from 1848.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 04, 2012, 07:14:32 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 04, 2012, 07:00:38 PM
And the response was.
"Where do you get this notion that socialism dictates that an individual be forced to share?"

Then what stops me from simply not giving you my stuff? They can ask me all they want, but unless they pull out guns or threaten me, then there is no way they can stop me from simply refusing to take part.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 04, 2012, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: D on October 04, 2012, 07:14:32 PM
Then what stops me from simply not giving you my stuff? They can ask me all they want, but unless they pull out guns or threaten me, then there is no way they can stop me from simply refusing to take part.

Through, talking to the guy more, 1. He's one of those socialist anarchist types 2. I'm not gonna convince they guy of any thing. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 04, 2012, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 04, 2012, 08:20:13 PM
Through, talking to the guy more, 1. He's one of those socialist anarchist types 2. I'm not gonna convince they guy of any thing.

Socialist anarchist is an oxymoron. It simply isn't possible to have socialism without government and without the use of force to maintain it. This fact alone means his arguments are invalid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 04, 2012, 09:16:16 PM
Quote from: D on October 04, 2012, 08:32:46 PM
Socialist anarchist is an oxymoron. It simply isn't possible to have socialism without government and without the use of force to maintain it. This fact alone means his arguments are invalid.

Ya, but, you can't convince some people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 04, 2012, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 04, 2012, 09:16:16 PM
Ya, but, you can't convince some people.

Doesn't change the fact that they're wrong. At that point you may as well just move on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 05, 2012, 12:30:25 PM
Elizabeth Esty is a Democrat candidate running for Congress here in Connecticut. Her opponent decided to release a clip of Esty as response to the attack ads she has been making against him. The clip he uses contains one line of complete and utter fail.

(http://i46.tinypic.com/ok3p8l.jpg)

The bit in question starts at 2:07
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 06, 2012, 12:21:23 PM
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>no wars

No, just sanctions on Iraq that killed several thousand children as well as constant bombing of the region.

>Great economy

A "surplus" that was only created by taking money out of the social security fund to spend on his other ambitions, such as said bombing of Iraq and the Balkans region.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 06, 2012, 03:46:58 PM
Quote from: D on October 06, 2012, 12:21:23 PM
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>no wars

No, just sanctions on Iraq that killed several thousand children as well as constant bombing of the region.

>Great economy

A "surplus" that was only created by taking money out of the social security fund to spend on his other ambitions, such as said bombing of Iraq and the Balkans region.

And his mistresses sucked... in one more than one way. I mean Kenedy had Marilyn Monroe for christ's sake(Japanese Rice Wine).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 06, 2012, 07:12:18 PM
Anyone else sick of the Lesser of Two Evils argument?

Really starting to grate on my nerves!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on October 07, 2012, 01:50:15 PM
You have no idea. I was passing Gary Johnson stuff out at a gun show a few weeks ago and one guy almost punched me because "ROMNEY ISN'T PERFECT BUT JOHNSON HAS TO STAND DOWN AT THAT COMMUNIST MUSLIM WILL STAY IN OFFICE"!!! I just replied "A communist Mormon is just as bad"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 07, 2012, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on October 07, 2012, 01:50:15 PM
You have no idea. I was passing Gary Johnson stuff out at a gun show a few weeks ago and one guy almost punched me because "ROMNEY ISN'T PERFECT BUT JOHNSON HAS TO STAND DOWN AT THAT COMMUNIST MUSLIM WILL STAY IN OFFICE"!!! I just replied "A communist Mormon is just as bad"

HA!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 13, 2012, 08:17:41 AM
This comes from a buddy of mine on Facebook after I posted this article (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/10/tattoo-mom-busted-for-inking-11-year-old/).
Quote"Hey mommy! Can I have a crack pipe and have sex with 12 boys from school, too?" "Go ahead, honey." It might be a child getting what they want from their parent, but it also sets an ever lowering standard for humanity. parenting like this is why we have Honey Boo Boo. And I find that worlds more disgusting than an arrest over it. I don't care thing one about the politics of who thinks she owns her body or whatever. Arrest or not, political debate or not, I would have just been proud of anyone who contacted child services or contacted the authorities in general over something like this, period.

You know, because tattoos are the equivalent to being a junkie and a whore.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 13, 2012, 11:55:31 PM
This post (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1280295&postcount=46) was a response to a video I posted in a thread about Mormonism. It's full of the usual excuses, such as the "temper of the times" argument as well as the usual OMG MISINTERPRETATION nonsense.

Video in question:
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Full post in question:
QuoteOk, now, I don't want to rant, and if it seems like it, I apologize in advance sorry :/

But this happens alot within my religion, where sometimes the readings within the Book of Mormon gets misinterpreted. Alot. One ting that is taught by many within our religion is the fact that, in the BoM, times were completely different, in text, language, wordings and everything under that category. Words weren't taken into the literal sense.

I hear this guy, but at the same time, he ain't revealing the whole entire truth about it. As interpreted within the BoM, this whole "Black Skin Curse" goes back to the entire Kane and Abel incident. When Kane killed his brother, the "curse of black skin" was put upon him. Not as an entire curse, but as a reminder to his sinful actions, and his whole race would be punished for it.

Back in those times, and.... I guess these times too, blackness (not taken into consideration within skin color), but with dirt, is what the black skin was considered, because Kane's purity was taken away from him. That is what was meant from the use of "Cursed Black Skin". Also, these times were also the time of Moses' Law. A law taken into great consideration of everything, where rules and allocations and shit was completely different to what we perceive now as punishment. Alot of rules were changed within our time now.

Now, concerning the "Nephites" and "Lamanites". Yes, the dude is right about the story, but once again, not showing the entire truth of it. Nephites were, as he put it, "Righteous". Meaning they did everything they were told by the Lord. Lamanite were bad, like Kane. Murdering, plundering, raping etc. And their purity of themselves was taken away when they did this stuff, as I explained before. BUT, after a while, things began to change the way in which this worked.

Lamanites started to ask for forgiveness, repent, and they eventually became more good than Nephites. And Nephites were starting to rape, murder etc. Everything was turned, and "God" was disappointed in how the Nephites became bad, but also very proud and pleased that the Lamanites became good. Which lead to the whole "Nephite Genocide" leaving only 3 left.

There's a whole lot mroe to the sotry that this guy is leaving out, making it look like Mormon's are racist. Ok, now going on to the whole Black people in our time thing.

Once you turn a certain age (12) you get a gift known as the Holy Preisthood. This gift lets you do more service within the church, letting you bless the sick, and do all sorts of other stuff that you originally couldn't do. Black weren't allowed this bakc in the 1900's. BUT this was everywhere already. NO ONE in the 1900's considered blacks a part of the human race. Racism was at it's finest back then. The reason why Mormons didn't allow blacks as much opportunities within that time, was because there is one rules that we all keep and follow within our religion. We must obey and follow to the rules of the land. Bakc in those times, If the Mormons had given equal opportunities to the blacks as much as the whites, Mormon's would've been shunned and discriminated, and evetually drowned out because of all the hate. It had nothing to do with the fact that we didn't like blacks, but because we couldn't do it in the first place.

Also, did that guy say he was Mormon for 27 years or something? hehe...

There is alot of information that we could go over in this, but there would be too much explaining to do. I'll wait for your reply on this, D.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 14, 2012, 09:15:36 AM
Quote from: D on October 13, 2012, 11:55:31 PMthis whole "Black Skin Curse" goes back to the entire Kane and Abel incident. When Kane killed his brother, the "curse of black skin" was put upon him. Not as an entire curse, but as a reminder to his sinful actions, and his whole race would be punished for it.

The Bible simply says that God put a mark on Cain and his descendants. It says nothing whatsoever about what that mark was, and there is no textual reason to think the mark was making Cain black.

QuoteNO ONE in the 1900's considered blacks a part of the human race.

[I'm assuming he means 1800s.]

The Quakers did. So did Thomas Jefferson, Lysander Spooner, William Lloyd Garrison, Charles Darwin, Francis Collins...I can keep going.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 14, 2012, 11:49:39 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 14, 2012, 09:15:36 AM
The Bible simply says that God put a mark on Cain and his descendants. It says nothing whatsoever about what that mark was, and there is no textual reason to think the mark was making Cain black.

[I'm assuming he means 1800s.]

The Quakers did. So did Thomas Jefferson, Lysander Spooner, William Lloyd Garrison, Charles Darwin, Francis Collins...I can keep going.

The fact is, the dude is just trying to save face because he doesn't want to believe that his precious beliefs are racist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 14, 2012, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: D on October 14, 2012, 11:49:39 AM
The fact is, the dude is just trying to save face because he doesn't want to believe that his precious beliefs are racist.

can't see how, as IIRC, they didn't let blacks enter that faith till the 1970's (so I've been told).

EDIT: oh, wait, the guy in the video said the same thing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on October 14, 2012, 11:47:31 PM
Anyone who uses this hilarious crappy bit of conspiritard tripe http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2247692/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2247692/) (http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNzkwMjY3NzMyMV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNzU4ODEzOA@@._V1._SY317_CR1,0,214,317_.jpg) to suggest that we have to vote Romney or else Obama will end free elections. Something that they can't explain why Romney is somehow less of a risk despite his night of the long knives crap at the GOP convention.

Personally if a President is planning on ending Democracy and installing himself as dictator I figure it will happen in their first term.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on October 15, 2012, 03:13:42 AM
What the **** am I doing, still wasting time on YouTube comments? *sigh*

Anyway, today it's the comments made by antonkowalski on this video:

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Most of it is just him regurgitating the communist manifesto, but there are a few highlights:

Quote from: antonkowalski
Personal property is part of your person and includes property from which you have the right to exclude others. Private property is a social relationship, not a relationship between person and thing.

Quote from: Altimadark
So by your logic, if you own a house and use it just for you and your family, it's personal property, but if you rent out a room (social relationship), it's suddenly private property.

It amazes me how you refuse to distinguish between corporatism and the free market (one requires govt intervention, the other is antithetical to it), yet somehow you can distinguish between private and personal property (both rely on voluntary transactions).

Quote from: antonkowalskiThere is nothing to add. That is right. That's why we need to socialize private property to give it to people who need it as personal property.

Capitalism always depends on the government. Always funny to see you rightwing fake-libertarians denying this fact.

Quote from: antonkowalski
I'm an Anarchist. You may want to inform yourself about Spanish Anarchism. That's my side.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 15, 2012, 04:01:34 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on October 15, 2012, 03:13:42 AM
What the **** am I doing, still wasting time on YouTube comments? *sigh*

Anyway, today it's the comments made by antonkowalski on this video:

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Most of it is just him regurgitating the communist manifesto, but there are a few highlights:

"socialize private property"
I'm sorry! WHAT!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 15, 2012, 05:36:07 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 28, 2012, 05:34:26 PM
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Good thing we have Nick Gillespie.

"Who gives a shit about a couple of dead paki's? When they get off their asses and take care of their own terrorism problem then we'll stop doing it for them. There are civilian causalities as a result of any military action. A couple of dead paki's are a very small price to pay considering the alternative. Which is to ignore the problem and allow Al Qaeda to take over the country and get their hands on Pakistan's nuclear arsenal."

Am I the only one who thinks Neo cons are a bit heartless?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 15, 2012, 07:37:28 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 15, 2012, 05:36:07 AM
"Who gives a shit about a couple of dead paki's? When they get off their asses and take care of their own terrorism problem then we'll stop doing it for them. There are civilian causalities as a result of any military action. A couple of dead paki's are a very small price to pay considering the alternative. Which is to ignore the problem and allow Al Qaeda to take over the country and get their hands on Pakistan's nuclear arsenal."

Am I the only one who thinks Neo cons are a bit heartless?

Nope. Any reason is a good reason to blow shit up to these people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 15, 2012, 11:34:19 AM
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UGH!

Liberal Logic: Anything that isn't blessing our holy king Obama is automatically slander, blackmail, and the work of the devil!

Seriously, how the fuck can you take "If my taxes go up, I might have to reduce the size of my company" as "IF YOU VOTE FOR OBAMA I WILL PERSONALLY MAKE SURE YOU NEVER WORK IN THIS TOWN AGAIN GOD DAMMIT!?"

The spin here is just unbelievable.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on October 15, 2012, 11:58:54 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 15, 2012, 04:01:34 AM
"socialize private property"
I'm sorry! WHAT!

Yeah, and that's not even the big fail. The big fail is when he also claims to be an anarchist.

Quote from: antonkowalski
I'm an Anarchist. You may want to inform yourself about Spanish Anarchism. That's my side.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 15, 2012, 12:44:19 PM
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Friend posted this on their wall. Decided to throw in a comment of my own. Things went downhill from that point. I'll just leave the transcript of the conversation here.

ME: Considering how dissimilar they are, I look forward to this 'zombie socialism' we'll inevitably get.
18 hours ago • Like

HIM::  Republicans voting the same way in lockstep. What do you think?
18 hours ago • Like

ME:  Republicans and Democrats you mean? I don't see the asses behaving too differently from the oliphants.
18 hours ago • Like

HIM:  Republican intransigence makes compromise impossible. Therefore, gridlock.
18 hours ago • Like

ME:  Obama's made records for amount of legislation passed, had two years of a filibuster-proof majority in the senate and majority in the house, still has a majority in the senate, and has only vetoed two bills. Yeah, that's a real story of a hijacked legislature there.
18 hours ago • Like

HIM:  That's the conservative lie speaking. Obama only had a filibuster-proof majority for 133 days. George Bush never issued a veto when the Republicans controlled Congress. If Congress ever passed anything, Obama might have something to veto.

I have 13 years of Washington experience, including gathering and analyzing energy data for the Reagan and Bush I administrations. You apparently believe Fox News. That is ill advised.
17 hours ago • Like

ME:  http://www.justpurefact.com/id10.html

Oh, really? Congress never passed anything?

Why don't you actually do research before beating your chest and trying to insult anyone who disagrees with you. And while you're at it, return the taxpayer money apparently wasted on your research career if the best you can do is say "You watch faux news! Trollolololol!"

Btw, I prefer the Daily Show.

JustPureFact
www.justpurefact.com
Unbiased voting records, just the facts period
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HIM:  Fuck off. I know far more about this than you ever will.
17 hours ago • Like

ME:  Then put your money where your mouth is. PROVE IT.
17 hours ago • Like

ME:  And for the record, I probably hate Romney more than you do.
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HIM:  The fact that you post no information about yourself tells me a lot. I don't hate Romney, just the idea that he might be President. I do know he was so unpopular by the end of his single term as governor of Massachusetts, he didn't dare run for re-election.

My office was a block from the White House, and I used to socialize with people from the White House, Capitol Hill, and the bureaucracy. As a reporter, I have interviewed everyone from presidential candidates to selectmen. I wrote the nation's coal production report for several years. I have partied with U.S. Senators. I have even been a lobbyist on occasion.

So, yes, I know a whole lot more about this than you ever will. You could learn something, but I see from your timeline you fully buy into Obama hate, so that's not likely.
17 hours ago • Edited • Like

ME:  "The fact that you post no information about yourself tells me a lot."

Actually, by definition, it tells you nothing. By the way, you might want to look up this fallacy -

http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/person.html

" I don't hate Romney, just the idea that he might be President. "

Then I probably hate the possibility that he might be President more than you do.

"I do know he was so unpopular by the end of his single term as governor of Massachusetts, he didn't dare run for re-election."

Or maybe that he was more intent on getting a presidential nomination?

"My office was a block from the White House, and I used to socialize with people from the White House, Capitol Hill, and the bureaucracy. As a reporter, I have interviewed everyone from presidential candidates to selectmen. I wrote the nation's coal production report for several years. I have partied with U.S. Senators. I have even been a lobbyist on occasion."

And we meet logical fallacy number 2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority#Fallacious_appeal_to_authority

I don't care if you hold meetings with god. Either you provide evidence for your claims (as I have done) or you don't. The fact that you haven't done so leaves me (and any logical individual) with no choice but to reject your claims.

"So, yes, I know a whole lot more about this than you ever will."

If that were true, you could prove it.

"You could learn something, but I see from your timeline you fully buy into Obama hate, so that's not likely."

It's a little unsettling when you keep committing the same logical fallacy over and over again. Are you sure you're in a position to be commenting on this topic?

Argumentum Ad Hominem
philosophy.lander.edu
The argument concerning the attack of a person's character or circumstances is...
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HIM:  Sorry, Marmaduke, I haven't attacked your character yet. But the fact that you post no personal information of any kind tells me you have a touch of paranoia and definitely something to hide. The hallmark, incidentally, of conservative thinking.
2 hours ago • Like

ME:  Either your comments were meant as an insult (in which case, you were attacking my character) or you meant to imply that they had something to do with the validity of my argument. So which one is it? Did you insult me, or did you use bad logic? (You ARE aware of the difference, right?)

By the way, you have yet to cite anything in support of your argument. Your last several comments have consisted of little apart from insults and chest-beating. Do you have anything more to contribute, or are you just trying to save face?

(While you're at it,take a good look at my avatar and the entire contents of my page BEFORE you try to brand me as a conservative. Could you also do everyone a favor and post a peer-reviewed source for this claim: "(...) a touch of paranoia and definitely something to hide. The hallmark, incidentally, of conservative thinking"?)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 16, 2012, 07:02:16 PM
Comment section full of fail.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 17, 2012, 08:36:58 AM
This (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/why-i-refuse-to-refuse-to-vote-for-obama/263116/) tripe basically spews the nonsensical "have to vote for the lesser of two evils" nonsense.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 18, 2012, 09:10:16 AM
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Gotta love Obamatons that choose to make this a race issue.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 18, 2012, 02:25:38 PM
Quote from: D on October 18, 2012, 09:10:16 AM
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Gotta love Obamatons that choose to make this a race issue.

Its not like Obama chose to extend the Patriot Act or sign the NDAA.

Oh. Wait. That's exactly what happened!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 18, 2012, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 18, 2012, 02:25:38 PM
Its not like Obama chose to extend the Patriot Act or sign the NDAA.

Oh. Wait. That's exactly what happened!

How dare you point out facts about Obama that are uncomfortable?! That must mean you're racist!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 18, 2012, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: D on October 18, 2012, 03:24:08 PM
How dare you point out facts about Obama that are uncomfortable?! That must mean you're racist!

I'd rather be labeled as a racist than be a moron.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 18, 2012, 04:50:55 PM
Fail from a facebook FOF (butthurt Obamaton trying to make abortion a presidential issue when neither candidate even has the power to do anything about it). First, the setup, me in blue, her in red:

I reject [Gary Johnson] for other reasons that are quite sufficient for me and that have nothing to do with the 2-party structure. If Gary Johnson were the only candidate, I wouldn't vote for him due to his background and certain positions he continues to espouse. I could as easily dismiss your support for this person of dubious background as bullshit, since I equally have nothing upon which to rely but the fact that you disagree with me; but I'd rather extend respect to others no matter how illogical or irrationall I consider their positions. Doing otherwise only entrenches us further in the "yay my team, boo the other guy" mentality that threatens to tear apart our representative democracy.

Okay, enlighten us: what is Johnson's "dubious background"?

So, here she comes back with her amazing evidence against Gary Johnson:

You can screech, beat your chest and posture, but my vote is my own and it's up to me to decide what matters to me. As to your continued attempts to make Mr Johnson relevant to a discussion about the mainstream candidates' position on reproductive rights, I'm respectfully opting out. How I vote and how I make that decision isn't your purview. By attacking arguments I haven't made (judicial appointment "crap" or "bullshit newsage relative truth crap" (whatever that is supposed to mean)) you just clarify for us all that you are here trolling for Mr. Johnson, whose detriments are available to anyone with internet access. I won't reiterate them here because I won't further support your attempting to suborn a logical discussion among adults with your unreasoning advocacy for a flawed no-hope candidate. Based upon your responses to date, you'll respond ad hominem without acknowledging or responding to my points and that's fine. I don't care what further irrelevant venom you spew and I'm not going to delve into a detailed breakdown of "candidate" Johnson.

And, of course, after she said she was opting out of the discussion, she immediately makes another comment:

Might I suggest that you pick a more authoritative word than "crap" to deride others' opinions. As a go-to insult, it lacks gravitas and makes you sound like a petulant 8th grader. (OK, a slow 8th grader).

And that, apparently, is the biggest argument against Gary Johnson.

BTW, the "bullshit newage relative truth crap" was because of this exchange:

You called reproductive issues a distraction from the real issues.

As far as the Presidential election is concerned, they ARE. Neither Obama nor Romney is going to change the status quo on that, even in the tiny amount where they would actually be able to.

"...they ARE." For you. Not for me.

Of course, it comes as no surprise that Obamatons live in a different reality from the rest of us...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 18, 2012, 06:22:16 PM
Okay that made me laugh.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 18, 2012, 07:31:17 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 18, 2012, 06:22:16 PM
Okay that made me laugh.

best part? She didn't actually answer Shane's question.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on October 19, 2012, 02:12:01 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on October 18, 2012, 07:31:17 PM
best part? She didn't actually answer Shane's question.

I respectfully disagree; for me, the best part is when she says her answer is "available to anyone with internet access." Because why bother taking a moment to show your evidence or think over your position when you can get the person who clearly disagrees with you to do it themselves. That'll win you the debate.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 19, 2012, 03:54:16 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on October 19, 2012, 02:12:01 AM
I respectfully disagree; for me, the best part is when she says her answer is "available to anyone with internet access." Because why bother taking a moment to show your evidence or think over your position when you can get the person who clearly disagrees with you to do it themselves. That'll win you the debate.

touche ;)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 19, 2012, 06:35:08 PM
"NDAA was ruled that way but until the Supreme Court takes up the case the Obama Admin is just ignoring it. Have to point out that Federal Judges both said Obamacare was and was not Constitutional and was only made Constitutional by the Supreme Court within the last year. FYI just because something is not in the Constitution does not make it unconstitutional. IE the war on Drugs, Druggies hate it but it is not unconstitutional, being on the side of drug dealers must be fun"

The stupidity of this statement makes my ears bleed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 20, 2012, 09:07:04 PM
I love the look on this woman's face when she's asked about the kill list. She looks like a deer caught in the headlights.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 20, 2012, 09:41:45 PM
Quote from: D on October 20, 2012, 09:07:04 PM
I love the look on this woman's face when she's asked about the kill list. She looks like a deer caught in the headlights.

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Secret Kill List: I don't know what you're talking about.

Lady, have YOU read the news lately?!? That kinda stupidity must take effort.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 20, 2012, 11:30:07 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 20, 2012, 09:41:45 PM
Secret Kill List: I don't know what you're talking about.

Lady, have YOU read the news lately?!? That kinda stupidity must take effort.

She's like a creationist who keeps getting asked about Tiktaalik.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 21, 2012, 02:31:28 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 20, 2012, 11:30:07 PM
She's like a creationist who keeps getting asked about Tiktaalik.

Just looked up what that is. Ya, pretty much the same circumstance.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on October 21, 2012, 04:37:42 AM
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Comment made by one DOHC2L. Another user asked how people could be foolish enough to vote to increase their own taxes, and this exchange happened:

Quote from: Altimadark
Well, I like to say they're misinformed or ignorant, not outright stupid. Basically it boils down to so much legal mumbo-jumbo that most voters can't figure it out (and, once told, the two-party system makes it hard for them to accept it), so they just listen to what ads and pundits tell them it means. All the more reason to vote 3rd party, IMO.

Quote from: DOHC2L
It's too bad you're smart enough to understand the controversy but lack clarity to see one side is right while the other side is wrong. Instead of being on the side of right or wrong you chose to not pick a side and now you're a fool who thinks the struggle between right and wrong is somehow a conspiracy against us all. Surely that smug assessment does give you an inflated ego, you've rationalized the two-party conspiracy nonsense into an elitist attitude like the leftists do with their B.S.

And my hubris motivated me to respond in kind:

Quote from: Altimadark
It's too bad you're smart enough to understand the controversy but lack clarity to see both sides are corrupt, intentional or not. Instead of demanding more choices from your govt, you decide to accept the lesser of two evils, believing that somehow good intentions with coercive government will pave the road to utopia. Surely that assessment makes you feel like the bigger man; you've rationalized the false dichotomy into the black-and-white, good-vs-evil struggle both parties try to project.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 21, 2012, 09:46:59 AM
So my dad is watching This Week on ABC and the roundtable segment is talking about foreign policy, which will be the focal point of tomorrow's "debate." Now of course they're acting like Obama is going to be the "diplomatic" president compared to Romney (which is failure in and of itself,) but the fail gets topped off by Gretta Von Susteren.

"We have to be practical. Diplomacy costs money."

/facepalm
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 21, 2012, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: D on October 21, 2012, 09:46:59 AM
"We have to be practical. Diplomacy costs money."

/facepalm

as opposed to war? I didn't realize war was for free. ::).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 22, 2012, 06:30:41 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20067_5-b.s.-political-arguments-you-hear-every-election-season_p2.html
Don't have time to read, but I did look at the titles.
Starts out so-so, but the one about people buying the election I know is going to miss a huge point, and the one on drugs and prohibition just reeks of bogosity.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 23, 2012, 02:43:39 AM
Obama's record according to morons.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 23, 2012, 10:55:46 AM
The latest Obama ad featuring Morgan Freeman is pretty awful.

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>Every president inherits challenges, few have faced so many.

And yet he hasn't done anything to actually fix them, instead making them worse.

>Four years later our enemies have been brought to justice. Our heroes are coming home.

That's funny because Osama is dead and yet we're still in Afghanistan and troops just went back into Iraq. Oh and we're still drone bombing the ever loving shit out of the Middle East...so what was this about the war being over?

>Assembly lines are humming again—

The assembly lines of your cronies, and yet GM is still losing money, so what did you solve exactly?

>there are still challenges to meet

Which you've yet shown any reason for me to believe that you will meet them.

>children to educate

Then allow school choice

>a middle class to rebuild

Well, you could start by not implementing the largest tax hike in US history on them that you call the Affordable Care Act.

>but the last thing we should do is turn back now.

This implies that you ever moved forward with anything other than lining the pockets of your cronies.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 23, 2012, 01:22:51 PM
Quote from: D on October 23, 2012, 10:55:46 AM>Every president inherits challenges, few have faced so many.

And yet he hasn't done anything to actually fix them, instead making them worse.

And most of those "challenges" he voted for in the Senate.

Quote>a middle class to rebuild

Well, you could start by not implementing the largest tax hike in US history on them that you call the Affordable Care Act.

Even before then, the tax burden on the middle class has been increasing where it was decreasing under Bush.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 23, 2012, 08:08:58 PM
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Quote starts at 11:32

"If it is misused, and there is a really major possibility of abuse if you have the wrong people running the government, but the bottom line in the end is, whose 4 year old gets killed? What we're doing is limiting the possibility that 4 year olds here are going to get killed by indiscriminate acts of terror."

Joe Klein is a fucking douchebag. I can't mince my words here. You have to be an absolute piece of shit to sit there and say, "Well better them than us" when someone tells you that we're killing children over seas.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 24, 2012, 01:49:12 PM
http://9gag.com/gag/5673169

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 26, 2012, 12:14:07 PM
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Did they seriously compare voting to Obama to losing your virginity to Obama? Am I the only one who finds that creepy as fuck?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 26, 2012, 10:34:51 PM
Quote from: D on October 26, 2012, 12:14:07 PM
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Did they seriously compare voting to Obama to losing your virginity to Obama? Am I the only one who finds that creepy as fuck?

What, confusing, painful, unsatisfying and leaving you with the feeling you've just done something massively unwise?  Sounds like a perfect analogy to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 26, 2012, 11:14:24 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on October 26, 2012, 10:34:51 PM
What, confusing, painful, unsatisfying and leaving you with the feeling you've just done something massively unwise?  Sounds like a perfect analogy to me.

well, I'd go a step further and say that this video doesn't go far enough: it should compare voting for Obama with having your first sexual act with a small monkey*...

*as in non-ape.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 27, 2012, 01:05:29 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 28, 2012, 08:41:01 AM
I just woke up a little less than a half hour ago, but I needed the laugh.

A little backstory: An acquaintance of mine posted her piece about abortion that she submitted to Huffington Post. I commented on this post and quoted Rothbard. Some woman named Karen Kelly decided to get herself involved in the discussion, and that's where the fail train rolls in.

Quote"the fetus becomes a parasitic "invader" of her person, and the mother has the perfect right to expel this invader from her domain. Abortion should be looked upon, not as "murder" of a living person, but as the expulsion of an unwanted invader from the mother's body".... Wow.... how completely and utterly disgusting these words are. How off putting and downright vile. Sounds like the spawn of Hitler wrote this or the devil himself. I have an idea... why don't you girls keep your pants on Saturday nigh? so you don't have to kill one of Gods babies on Sunday morning? lets be honest, this is all about ignoring personal responsibility. Close your legs.

Oh, but it's not over there. There's more!

QuoteDave, its interesting that your hero here is an Atheist & Anarchist among other really sweet things. These types of people that want to walk the Earth and do as they please with ZERO accountability. Do you know what we call those types? Well....bugs for one, insects, animals...these are what walk or crawl the Earth with ZERO accountability. And they are ruled by the law of "Survival of the fittest". yes, weaker of the group gets eaten...disposed of. Humans are different, in that we do not treat each other in the manner. But you want the best of both worlds, you want to walk the Earth as you wish, no accountability, and you want to control everyone that is ahead/above you. while the people beneath you (babies) well.... they can be disposed of. And the level of YOUR concern, changes, as you change. The more you acquire, and higher you achieve, your level of concern changes, to accommodate your current level of occupation. Yeah, people like you have come along before, you're nothing new Dave.

And more:
QuoteDave said: "Oh, so apparently if you're raped, wanting to abort the fetus is just dodging your responsibility to take care of a gift from your god right? And you have the nerve to say that what I said was vile.".... PS- I never said that , you just lied. But I stand by what i DID say. I love how you all bring up the "Rape Argument" when you clearly are arguing for the freedom to just go around and screw. Your pendulum is either pinned left, or pinned right, right?. OK, you are an atheist, you don't believe in any God, I gotcha. Well this planet is made up of FAR FAR more people that DO believe in God. Many cases you make up only 1 out of 100.
QuoteDave, go find a community where you fit in. walk the Earth looking for it. You don't want to change to suit anyone else, but you are first to try to change 99% of your community to suit YOUR needs. Bye Dave.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 28, 2012, 09:15:34 PM
I mention to a friend about how Obama and Romney are pretty much the same politician and I got this bit of fail.

"What I'd like to know is why people automatically assume that I'm one of those that looks at Obama like a shining angel. I don't. I realize Obama has fuck ups just like any other candidate. We have a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. My point is that at least with a giant douche I can clean myself which is a hell of a lot more than I can do with a turd sandwich. I can't do jack with a turd sandwich. But those are the choices and I'd rather let people know the potential benefits of one compared to the cluster fuck that the other one would bring. And yes, I believe one has it's benefits and that calling them both the same makes you sound like a fucking dumbass."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 28, 2012, 09:31:08 PM
I wonder if he actually saw the South Park episode about the giant douche vs. the turd sandwich? 'Cause if so, he missed the point...bigtime!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 29, 2012, 12:20:45 AM
More proof that InfoWars is full of complete nutjobs.

http://www.infowars.com/could-hurricane-sandy-be-weather-modification-at-work/

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 30, 2012, 11:45:34 AM
If I have to hear about how great Canada is from liberals, my head might explode.
No offense from those from Canada.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 30, 2012, 11:58:42 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 30, 2012, 11:45:34 AM
If I have to hear about how great Canada is from liberals, my head might explode.
No offense from those from Canada.

Tell them Canada is more capitalist than the U.S. and then show them this: http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Then make your best trollface.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 30, 2012, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: VectorM on October 30, 2012, 11:58:42 AM
Tell them Canada is more capitalist han the U.S. and then show them this: http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Then make your best trollface.

I keep getting into arguments about the healthcare system.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 30, 2012, 02:36:20 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 30, 2012, 12:49:20 PM
I keep getting into arguments about the healthcare system.

Well, just in Ontario, we have more than 300000 more people enrolled in the government health services payment scam than actually live here.  This is a rather typical problem.

Getting any actual health care is rather a chore.  First, you need to get yourself a doctor, and there aren't any.  They will probably say that you can go to the emergency room or a walk-in clinic, which is true...provided they aren't closed for lack of doctors.  We have similar problems getting enough nurses.  The provincial governments are in total control of medical funding, and the training of new doctors and nurses, so the provinces are responsible for the debacle, however you decide it came about.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 30, 2012, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on October 30, 2012, 02:36:20 PM
First, you need to get yourself a doctor, and there aren't any.  They will probably say that you can go to the emergency room or a walk-in clinic

Which is something you could just do here in the states with our corporatist system.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 30, 2012, 03:57:20 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 30, 2012, 02:41:34 PM
Which is something you could just do here in the states with our corporatist system.

They will likely point out that you don't get presented with a bill or a demand for insurance info at any point in the Canadian system.

The first is merely disguised in among the taxes.  Not too well in Ontario, where we actually have a special tax that came in a couple of elections ago claimed specifically to cover medical services.

The later is completely false.  You have to present your OHIP card to get services anywhere but an emergency room, and the emergency room will want it later.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on October 30, 2012, 05:08:51 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/economic-impact-hurricane-sandy-not-bad-news-150458002.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/economic-impact-hurricane-sandy-not-bad-news-150458002.html)

The person who wrote this steaming pile of crap needs to have Broken Window Fallacy branded onto their forehead.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 30, 2012, 05:14:46 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on October 30, 2012, 05:08:51 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/economic-impact-hurricane-sandy-not-bad-news-150458002.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/economic-impact-hurricane-sandy-not-bad-news-150458002.html)

The person who wrote this steaming pile of crap needs to have Broken Window Fallacy branded onto their forehead.

Sounds like Zorg from the Fifth Element!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 31, 2012, 12:22:58 AM
Quote from: Goaticus on October 30, 2012, 05:08:51 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/economic-impact-hurricane-sandy-not-bad-news-150458002.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/economic-impact-hurricane-sandy-not-bad-news-150458002.html)

The person who wrote this steaming pile of crap needs to have Broken Window Fallacy branded onto their forehead.

that and he's a total cunt.

I mean, people from what I understand were killed, and this arse is only concerned with the "benefits"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 31, 2012, 12:35:45 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on October 31, 2012, 12:22:58 AM
that and he's a total cunt.

I mean, people from what I understand were killed, and this arse is only concerned with the "benefits"?

I keep saying it. Sounds just like Zorg from The Fifth Element.
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Eerie, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 31, 2012, 09:51:35 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 30, 2012, 12:49:20 PM
I keep getting into arguments about the healthcare system.

Canadian myself.  I have yet to see one single SINGLE election where reforming healthcare wasn't one of the top issues.

Ask them, if it's so great, why does it constantly need so much fixing?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on November 01, 2012, 03:45:54 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on October 31, 2012, 12:22:58 AM
that and he's a total cunt.

I mean, people from what I understand were killed, and this arse is only concerned with the "benefits"?

That was actually one of the reasons I could never understand why people liked Keynes. The Economic Consequences of Peace struck me as inherently psychopathic when I read it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 01, 2012, 04:22:46 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/487279_4732149499951_718175759_n.jpg)

I wish anti-abortion people would stop acting like we're shooting newborn babies when we say women have a right to their body.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 01, 2012, 04:38:46 PM
I just want to know why they keep using a heartbeat as some kind of special signal of life (hooray, a pump is working) when there's no real brain functions to speak of.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 02, 2012, 12:27:53 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on November 01, 2012, 03:45:54 AM
That was actually one of the reasons I could never understand why people liked Keynes. The Economic Consequences of Peace struck me as inherently psychopathic when I read it.

And the sick part? people believe this too. Which is why we have all these wars, and all this overspending.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 02, 2012, 12:53:30 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 01, 2012, 04:38:46 PM
I just want to know why they keep using a heartbeat as some kind of special signal of life (hooray, a pump is working) when there's no real brain functions to speak of.

It makes a reasonable threshold for the transition between 'alive' and 'dead' for completely developed people in most (but not all) circumstances, and they're trying to apply it in an inapplicable domain.  Religious people (of all sorts) try to do that sort of thing a lot.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 02, 2012, 09:12:29 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 01, 2012, 04:38:46 PM
I just want to know why they keep using a heartbeat as some kind of special signal of life (hooray, a pump is working) when there's no real brain functions to speak of.

At what point is a fetus self aware anyway?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 05, 2012, 07:12:56 AM
Jill Stein's "Green New Deal." (http://www.jillstein.org/summary_green_new_deal)

QuoteThe Green New Deal is a four part program for moving America quickly out of crisis into a secure, sustainable future. Inspired by the New Deal programs that helped us out of the Great Depression of the 1930s, the Green New Deal will provide similar relief and create an economy that makes our communities sustainable, healthy and just.

Why anyone would support this hack is beyond me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 05, 2012, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: D on November 05, 2012, 07:12:56 AM
Jill Stein's "Green New Deal." (http://www.jillstein.org/summary_green_new_deal)

Why anyone would support this hack is beyond me.

why do people support Obama or Romney? same reason.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 05, 2012, 05:11:30 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on November 05, 2012, 01:57:42 PM
why do people support Obama or Romney? same reason.

Yes, that's exactly my point.

I've seen people even say that if Jill Stein was the only third party candidate on the ballot, that they would vote for her, as if she's some how that much superior to the other two knuckleheads.

Sure, she might be anti-war and might want to legalize pot, but just because a pile of shit doesn't have flies surrounding it doesn't make it any less shitty.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 05, 2012, 05:27:43 PM
Quote from: D on November 05, 2012, 05:11:30 PMI've seen people even say that if Jill Stein was the only third party candidate on the ballot, that they would vote for her, as if she's some how that much superior to the other two knuckleheads.

Sure, she might be anti-war and might want to legalize pot, but just because a pile of shit doesn't have flies surrounding it doesn't make it any less shitty.

Stopping the wars and legalizing drugs would make this country a LOT better off than it is. And let's face it, on the other issues it's not like she's any worse than Obama.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 05, 2012, 05:55:36 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 05, 2012, 05:27:43 PM
Stopping the wars and legalizing drugs would make this country a LOT better off than it is. And let's face it, on the other issues it's not like she's any worse than Obama.

Yes, those things would make the country a lot better. The problem is her economic policy would also make things still relatively sucktastic. Sure, we're not killing people overseas and not locking people in cages for ingesting a plant, but we're still robbing people for major league entitlement programs which will still lead to a massive debt crisis. Quite frankly, if she were the only third party candidate, that isn't good enough to get my vote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 05, 2012, 05:56:35 PM
This is what I just don't get about the statists.  They claim to believe SOOOO strongly in government, but why are their expectations so low?

If a cereal's biggest selling point is that it won't make you as sick as the other two major brands, would ANYONE consider that even halfway acceptable?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 05, 2012, 06:44:32 PM
QuoteHeard something on NPR this morning with people from other countries coming over here and going door to door asking people to vote for Obama. I think mostly because they're scared of Romney. Nice to know that if this country goes down the drains, the rest of the world is a bit more sane.

Damn, I hate "logic" like this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 05, 2012, 07:43:31 PM
This one hurts me, because it's from a youtuber I like, though he does gaming videos, so I suppose there was no point for the expectation of economic literacy.

QuotePaul Krugman is one of the smartest men on the planet. I think he was probably being at least semi-facetious when he said that.

The "semi-facetious" bit is about this particular Krugman gem:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 06, 2012, 02:08:22 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20134_8-election-myths-you-probably-believe.html

A poster summed this heap of apologetic bogosity perfectly

"The title of this article really should have been False Equivalencies and Misunderstood Data: An Example. "
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 06, 2012, 12:03:43 PM
and conspiratards in 3,2,1.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2227009/New-treatment-crystal-meth-addicts-vaccine-blocks-drugs-effect-brain.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 06, 2012, 06:11:06 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 05, 2012, 05:27:43 PM
Stopping the wars and legalizing drugs would make this country a LOT better off than it is. And let's face it, on the other issues it's not like she's any worse than Obama.

yes, it will, but not near as much as removing all the "regulations", or the bullshit around education, agriculture, healthcare, and so on.

finally, can the current Government just fuck off and disband itself? I've always wondered that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 06, 2012, 08:18:58 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on November 06, 2012, 02:08:22 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20134_8-election-myths-you-probably-believe.html

A poster summed this heap of apologetic bogosity perfectly

"The title of this article really should have been False Equivalencies and Misunderstood Data: An Example. "

Damn, you beat me to it. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 06, 2012, 11:44:53 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/18389_10151257614033281_1263783450_n.jpg)

Yes, because human rights are high on Obama's list.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 07, 2012, 08:47:18 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on November 06, 2012, 11:44:53 PMYes, because human rights are high on Obama's list.

Everyone has an equal right to be drone-bombed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 07, 2012, 10:02:21 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 07, 2012, 08:47:18 AM
Everyone has an equal right to be drone-bombed.

And indefinitely detained.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 07, 2012, 10:16:59 AM
"I'm so glad we had that storm last week. 'Cause I think the storm was one of those things. No. Politically, I should say. Not in terms of hurting people. The storm brought in possibilities for good politics." - Chris Matthews

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 07, 2012, 10:36:04 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 07, 2012, 08:47:18 AM
Everyone has an equal right to be drone-bombed.

And be Indefinitely detained.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 07, 2012, 10:38:21 AM
Quote from: D on November 07, 2012, 10:16:59 AM
"I'm so glad we had that storm last week. 'Cause I think the storm was one of those things. No. Politically, I should say. Not in terms of hurting people. The storm brought in possibilities for good politics." - Chris Matthews

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Chris Matthews, in the words of Penn Jillette, "FUCK YOU IN THE FUCKING NECK!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 09, 2012, 07:55:12 AM
Ignore the wrestling portion of the commentary. The election portion is completely full of Obamaton nonsense.

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QuoteObama failed to solve all of our problems in 4 years. Basically, he failed to completely clean up a mess that was 10 years in the making by George Bush, the worst recession since the Great Depression, the longest war in US history, a fucking mess. And I think it would be very hypocritical of us as a nation, and I would have been supremely disappointed if we couldn't find it in our hearts to give this guy 4 more years instead of reverting back to the exact same policies that got us in this mess to begin with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 10, 2012, 08:40:44 AM
Folks, even if we accept that ridiculous "Der!  The mean ol' republicans did it all!" excuse, that still makes you guys completely ineffectual at stopping them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 10, 2012, 01:03:58 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on November 10, 2012, 08:40:44 AM
Folks, even if we accept that ridiculous "Der!  The mean ol' republicans did it all!" excuse, that still makes you guys completely ineffectual at stopping them.

Not to mention the fact that they praise and idolize Bill Clinton, when he had to deal with Republican majorities in BOTH houses.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 11, 2012, 08:19:59 PM
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/197206_10152246566265057_676348084_n.jpg)

Wait...didn't Lincoln INSTITUTE a national bank?  What brand of insecticide was this guy huffing?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 11, 2012, 08:43:21 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on November 11, 2012, 08:19:59 PM
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/197206_10152246566265057_676348084_n.jpg)

Wait...didn't Lincoln INSTITUTE a national bank?  What brand of insecticide was this guy huffing?

Not to mention those two weren't the only American president to be assassinated while in office. William McKinley was assassinated as well. What was he just assassinated by some random schmuck or did they just forget about that part of the conspiracy?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on November 11, 2012, 09:25:07 PM
Sadly there is that segment of Libertarianism where everything is "the bankers" fault
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 11, 2012, 09:41:23 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on November 11, 2012, 09:25:07 PM
Sadly there is that segment of Libertarianism where everything is "the bankers" fault

It isn't just libertarians. I've seen republicans who think that way too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 11, 2012, 11:13:15 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on November 11, 2012, 09:25:07 PM
Sadly there is that segment of Libertarianism where everything is "the bankers" fault

Part of the conspiracy nutwing. The Bilderbergs and the Rothschilds secretly run everything from behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 12, 2012, 01:12:02 AM
They need to watch Stef's vid "The Banksters own you".

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Skip to 4:15 where he lays it out nicely.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 12, 2012, 08:45:54 AM
Even as a parody, this is full of fail:

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I mean, really? Blaming piracy for the state of MTV? BO-GUS!!!

And it's not like plenty of radio stations don't still make money playing REM and other classic artists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 12, 2012, 12:35:31 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 12, 2012, 08:45:54 AM
Even as a parody, this is full of fail:

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I mean, really? Blaming piracy for the state of MTV? BO-GUS!!!

And it's not like plenty of radio stations don't still make money playing REM and other classic artists.

Not to mention that the vast majority popular of modern artists actually make money from YouTube. And the old ones as well!
Search some of the older classics, like Nirvana, and they are usually on VEVO's chanell, some other joint venture group, or they have their won official channel.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 12, 2012, 05:16:54 PM
Every single thing said by that idiot ymkamara420 in these comments: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=71tPBjrTeJU

QuoteYeah if you ignore private consumption, gross investment exports, imports and only focus on the government spending part of the equation, then your dumbass analogy would make sense. But those of us that look at the whole equation GDP= private consumption + gross investment + government spending + (exports − imports). GPD is really reliable

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 12, 2012, 07:56:49 PM
Quote from: VectorM on November 12, 2012, 05:16:54 PM
Every single thing said by that idiot ymkamara420 in these comments: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=71tPBjrTeJU

I don't see how the equation proves his point....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 16, 2012, 12:31:46 AM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/12897_505880836102378_900542170_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 16, 2012, 02:40:07 AM
None of the former Soviet states were able to do ANYTHING after they split from the USSR!!!! Oh, no, wait...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 16, 2012, 08:09:42 AM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/522192_408824842524677_793324890_n.jpg)

It makes me sick that part of the population of liberty-minded people are anti-science.

This pic came from "Common Sense 2.0: The New American R[̲̅ə̲̅٨̲̅٥̲̅٦̲̅]ution" on Facebook.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 16, 2012, 12:17:14 PM
Quote from: D on November 16, 2012, 08:09:42 AM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/522192_408824842524677_793324890_n.jpg)

It makes me sick that part of the population of liberty-minded people are anti-science.

This pic came from "Common Sense 2.0: The New American R[̲̅ə̲̅٨̲̅٥̲̅٦̲̅]ution" on Facebook.

Well, every group has its nutjobs. Ours just stick out more.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 16, 2012, 01:05:46 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on November 16, 2012, 12:17:14 PM
Well, every group has its nutjobs. Ours just stick out more.

Yeah, I just hate the fact that we get the real conspiratards. Whether it is the anti-vaccers, the anti-GMO crowds, or the NWO types, they tend to either be "small government conservatives" or libertarians.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 16, 2012, 01:44:19 PM
Quote from: D on November 16, 2012, 01:05:46 PM
Yeah, I just hate the fact that we get the real conspiratards. Whether it is the anti-vaccers, the anti-GMO crowds, or the NWO types, they tend to either be "small government conservatives" or libertarians.

They converge on us. Anti-vaccers and anti-GMOs are from the socialist left, while the NWOs are from the ultra-conservative right. Since Libertarianism draws equally from both sides, it stands to reason we'd get a double-helping of the conspiratards.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 16, 2012, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: D on November 16, 2012, 08:09:42 AM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/522192_408824842524677_793324890_n.jpg)

It makes me sick that part of the population of liberty-minded people are anti-science.

This pic came from "Common Sense 2.0: The New American R[̲̅ə̲̅٨̲̅٥̲̅٦̲̅]ution" on Facebook.

so what exactly is a Rə̲̅856ution?  :P


(in case you don't know, the symbols used are in Arabic scripts used to denote 8, 5, and 6. srsly, let's do the Indians Justice: call the "Arabic numerals" "hindustani numerals").


Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 22, 2012, 08:34:02 PM
wow. Why do I get the feeling that Crowder is going to be in the next podcast.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 24, 2012, 09:39:46 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s480x480/602439_411034378968035_665029145_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on November 24, 2012, 10:51:57 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/484956_10151152017906275_1918475209_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 24, 2012, 11:05:48 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on November 24, 2012, 10:51:57 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/484956_10151152017906275_1918475209_n.jpg)

I don't suppose irony would be apparent to the creator, since he included some things that are entirely the result of government actions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 24, 2012, 11:31:12 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on November 24, 2012, 11:05:48 PM
I don't suppose irony would be apparent to the creator, since he included some things that are entirely the result of government actions.

I don't think they know what irony means.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on November 25, 2012, 02:40:49 AM
Quote from: Goaticus on November 24, 2012, 10:51:57 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/484956_10151152017906275_1918475209_n.jpg)

Hey, I remember Shane talking about Love Canal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xta4c731F-Y)! I think that was the first or second video of his I watched.

More recently, I learned Love Canal was used as a dumping site by the US Military during and after WWII, and that some of that dumping included waste from the Manhattan Project.

...

Yeah, this political cartoon is ******* stupid!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 25, 2012, 02:41:08 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on November 24, 2012, 09:39:46 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s480x480/602439_411034378968035_665029145_n.jpg)

even though in real life (which I'm sure is a parallel world to whoever made this), The tea party people weren't particularly involved, and in the proposed restructuring, the CEOs in fact offered to reduce their income (or whatever is equivalent here). Oh, and the Labor union in question in effect refused the restructuring.

seriously, looking at pictures like this make me want to give up on humanity.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 25, 2012, 11:08:37 AM
Oh look, it's Pat Condell with more typical "Palestine is full of savages and Israel is completely innocent" tripe, even going as far as to call Hamas "Nazis."

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 25, 2012, 11:28:01 AM
Quote from: D on November 25, 2012, 11:08:37 AMOh look, it's Pat Condell with more typical "Palestine is full of savages and Israel is completely innocent" tripe, even going as far as to call Hamas "Nazis."

It may be fair to call Hamas "Nazis"; that doesn't mean that Netanyahu isn't Stalin.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 25, 2012, 02:31:00 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 25, 2012, 11:28:01 AM
It may be fair to call Hamas "Nazis"; that doesn't mean that Netanyahu isn't Stalin.

If there's any group currently operating that it's fair to call Nazis, it's probably Hamas (given their stated goal of destroying Israel for having the effrontery to exist).

I'm not so sure about comparing Netanyahu to Stalin.  He doesn't seem to have the sheer brutal stupidity of Stalin.  Stalin, for instance, would have long since committed genocide to end the matter.  (Come to think of it, Hamas manages to be pretty similar to the Bolsheviks in some ways as well, which would have left Nazi propagandists tied into knots of confusion.)  Netanyahu might be closed to Andrew Jackson (who forcibly removed the Cherokee in open defiance of US law).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 25, 2012, 03:12:15 PM
Quote from: D on November 25, 2012, 11:08:37 AMOh look, it's Pat Condell with more typical "Palestine is full of savages and Israel is completely innocent" tripe, even going as far as to call Hamas "Nazis."

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meh, he's a jackass. I'd ignore him. In fact, I'd ingore anyone who is one-sided on the issue, and say that both sides have made mistakes, and done things that have only left both sides in the shitter politically speaking, and on the Palestinian side economically and socially.

As to Hamas? well, I'd go with what evensgrey said: a mix of Nazi and Bolshevik, adding that it comes with a thin veneer of religion. And I would agree about Netenyahu: a Jewish Andrew Jackson.

though there is a really dumb postscript to the whole affair: when we last had elections, 44% of the people voted for Hamas (EDIT: 56% in Gaza city): luckily, the authorities in the west bank prevented Hamas from gaining control there, but Hamas seized control in Gaza. So now, we're stuck in a situation we brought on ourselves: Gaza is being pummeled to dust by the Israelis, and the West bankers are unable to do much about it. doesn't help that we have this weak-ass git for "president". why else did so many vote Hamas?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 25, 2012, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on November 25, 2012, 02:31:00 PMNetanyahu might be closed to Andrew Jackson (who forcibly removed the Cherokee in open defiance of US law).

Jackson didn't keep bombing the Cherokee once they were on the reservation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 25, 2012, 03:48:20 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on November 25, 2012, 03:12:15 PMdoesn't help that we have this weak-ass git for "president". why else did so many vote Hamas?

Let me guess: they were seen as the lesser of two evils, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 25, 2012, 05:29:33 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 25, 2012, 03:48:20 PM
Let me guess: they were seen as the lesser of two evils, right?

that's what it comes down to, though I must add that there's more to it.

I mean, let's boil down the choices, by what happens on the ground.

you have the corruption, the stupidity, etc, associated with Fatah, from when it was under Yassir Arafat's control. That and the lack of economic development (the average Palestinian in the west bank makes $1,500-$3,000 a year)...And that to a lot of us, Mahmoud Abbas is too weak, too unassertive. Hell, the only thing I like about him is that at least he is willing to talk (though he can't seem to assert himself), and the rockets aren't falling on Hebron or the west Bank.

or you have Hamas, who I must mention have welfare programs (education, health, food) that Hamas privately runs, which Fatah doesn't provide. Or the fact that they are more into spending on Schools (a favorite for us Palestinians: seriously build a big fucking Uni in the middle of a Palestinian town, and they'll worship you before you could finish the announcement), hospitals, etc. And of course, they make you swear allegiance to them in order to use their stuff*. And unlike the US or Europe, when they provide welfare, they really provide it. dollar for dollar, they're probably way more efficient than anything in Europe or the Americas.

so with all that, if you were a typical Palestinian, who would you vote for? the git and his cronies, who can't get shit done but won't try to get you killed, or the cunts who want to bring about an Islamic state in buckets of your own people's blood (in a traditionally multireligious region), but who do get shit done?


*we take oaths very seriously over there. Partly religion, partly the sense of honor. So guess who these people will vote for?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 26, 2012, 09:05:05 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 25, 2012, 03:46:32 PM
Jackson didn't keep bombing the Cherokee once they were on the reservation.

At the risk of completely breaking an already stretched analogy, I think the situation is closer to the pre-relocation situation.   IIRC, the Israeli government has taken the position that the Palestinians don't need to form a state, because they've already got one, that state being Jordan (with the clear implication that they should all go there if they don't like conditions where they are).  I don't know of anyone else who agrees with this claim, certainly not the Palestinians or the Jordanians, but that's a position that they have taken (at one time at least, who can keep track of what positions a government on the other side of the world is taking?).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 26, 2012, 01:38:23 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on November 26, 2012, 09:05:05 AMAt the risk of completely breaking an already stretched analogy, I think the situation is closer to the pre-relocation situation.

My point is, they've ALREADY been relocated. They were relocated so that the nation of Israel could be reformed, in a forced exodus that makes the Trail of Tears look like a Macy's parade.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 26, 2012, 05:26:56 PM
If I had a dollar for every time some statist dunce blamed capitalism on everything, I'd be a fat filmmaker.

"If we were to drop the government today, I can only see things getting worse in the future. Capitalism is the crisis, we're in a situation where money trickles continuously up and not down. An example why it should be Communism and not Anarcho-Capitalism that we aim for. A strong example for this would be Walmart, they don't allow unions, they pay their worker's below a living wage, and they cost the American government $1.5 billion+ (See: http://underthemountainbunker.com/2012/02/25/walmart-costs-taxpayers-1557000000-the-conservative-circle-of-life/). Now it should be time for the government to step in and say enough is enough on this, however they've continuously allowed the workers to get trampled on, now if we remove the government completely what would happen to this situation? Walmart would be allowed to fire anybody for any reason, they could pay the workers whatever wage possible because hey, who's going to enforce minimum wage laws? Now you could argue others would set up shops to compete, however that would do nothing, Walmarts prices are already low, and if they cut their worker's pay it could get even lower, it's already been shown that when a Walmart comes in, it's terrible for the local economy as all the small shops end up having to close, as they cannot compete. I could continue, but I'll let you respond first.

> Don't give corporations money.
> Thousands of jobs lost.
>"Don't worry, lower taxes, get rid of the minimum wage, and cut down on regulations! The market is just repressed!"
> Healthcare prices rise due to government not funding it.
> The gap between the rich and the poor rises even more.
> The roads become unusable.
> "It'll get better, Hayek said-"
> The homeless numbers increase.
> All non-psychopathic industries go bust due to not being able to compete with prices for a fair wage.
> Nobody can start a business because the richest own everything.
> Nobody can demand more money because there's such a high amount of unemployment, you'll be instantly replaced.
> Privatized police only defend the corporations, because that's who pays their wage.

Free Market."

Hoooooo boy that shit is just laughable.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 26, 2012, 06:29:48 PM
So, Walmart does voluntary transactions with people, yet it's their fault when the government FORCES people to pay for stuff?

That's like me saying that women driving cars in Saudi Arabia is wrong, because the government has to spend more money to persecute them. DOWN WITH WOMEN'S RIGHTS!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 26, 2012, 06:40:44 PM
Oh this shit went from gold to platinum:
"Even though I'm no fan of the USSR and it was far from becoming fully Communist, would you like me to show you how much economic progress they made under Stalin at the same time? Or would you like me to link the drop in life expectancy they had when the USSR collapsed? Or would you like me to show you that fridges made in East Berlin had a life expectancy of at least 20 years?

Capitalism is poison, if you can truly say a system is fixed when exploitation is what keeps it alive, you're clearly deluding yourself."

HAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 26, 2012, 06:47:46 PM
Quote from: D on November 26, 2012, 05:26:56 PMwe're in a situation where money trickles continuously up and not down. An example why it should be Communism and not Anarcho-Capitalism that we aim for.

Right, 'cause that NEVER happened with Communism...

QuoteA strong example for this would be Walmart, they don't allow unions, they pay their worker's below a living wage,

Average Walmart wage: $12.14/hour.

Quoteand they cost the American government $1.5 billion+

Statists always have a funny way of saying things like "The government wastes $1.5 billion."

Quotenow if we remove the government completely what would happen to this situation?

Better question: what happens if we remove Walmart completely from this situation? How much better off will those workers be then?

Quote> Healthcare prices rise due to government not funding it.

Right, because they've just been dropping like a stone over the last 45 years of government funding...

QuoteHoooooo boy that shit is just laughable.

Scary, you mean. I think this is a good argument for this person being locked up before he becomes a danger to others. Someone give him a psychopath test, see where he scores.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 26, 2012, 08:23:28 PM
Oh man, this guy is just too much.

"Starvation or wage slavery isn't a voluntary exchange, it's a threat."

He's obviously referring to capitalism. The hilarity of this is that he thinks America is a fully capitalist society. What's also funny is that we constantly hear how America is too fat. If capitalism causes starvation, and America is too fat, then clearly that argument is full of shit.

So here is his answer to my retort about starvation being complete shit:
"Because Capitalism needs to have very rich and very poor to function. In India thousands of kids die every day from malnutrition, yet they let millions of tons of grain rot. [ http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2010/09/201099203726584604.html ] There's clearly enough food to go around world wide, yet America has eating competitions while people starve to death."

Also, the Soviet Union is apparently Happy Funsville:
"Have you honestly never spoken to anybody who lived, or had family in the Soviet Union? I've spoken to a couple of Lithuanians, and Russians about it, and all of their family agreed things were better in Soviet Times. These are people who LIVED in the Soviet Union."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 26, 2012, 09:18:57 PM
Quote from: D on November 26, 2012, 08:23:28 PMAlso, the Soviet Union is apparently Happy Funsville:
"Have you honestly never spoken to anybody who lived, or had family in the Soviet Union? I've spoken to a couple of Lithuanians, and Russians about it, and all of their family agreed things were better in Soviet Times. These are people who LIVED in the Soviet Union."

Yeah, they don't even have bread lines anymore!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 26, 2012, 09:21:01 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 26, 2012, 09:18:57 PM
Yeah, they don't even have bread lines anymore!

The hilarious part is that was a direct response to my comment about bread lines.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 26, 2012, 09:34:40 PM
Quote from: D on November 26, 2012, 09:21:01 PM
The hilarious part is that was a direct response to my comment about bread lines.

Wow.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 26, 2012, 09:56:12 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 26, 2012, 09:34:40 PM
Wow.

You think that's bad. It gets worse...

"Did you know every year Mao was in power the life expectancy in China rose by a year? Mao also didn't have sweat shop labours, and worked pretty hard on gender equality. Most likely killed a few million people however, that may be a negative."

I then mention how sweatshops weren't around during Mao's great famine. I think get to hilarious responses:

"Would rather die than live life as a sweatshop worker." (Says the guy who doesn't have to ever worry about working in one to feed his family)

"People had enough to feed themselves under Mao after the famine."

Oh, now this guy is going to explain to me how communism can work without the use of force:
"PRIVATE property is owned by the commune and controlled democratically. Your house and such are personal property, not private property. The role of the state was supposed to be a transitional one and much more democratic than the USSR, China, etc. Rosa Luxemburg on the phrase "Dictator of the proletariat", "This dictatorship consists in the manner of applying democracy, not in its elimination, but in energetic, resolute attacks upon the well-entrenched rights and economic relationships of bourgeois society, without which a socialist transformation cannot be accomplished. This dictatorship must be the work of the class, and not of a little leading minority in the name of the class — that is, it must proceed step by step out of the active participation of the masses; it must be under their direct influence, subjected to the control of complete public activity; it must arise out of the growing political training of the mass of the people."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 27, 2012, 02:28:57 AM
Quote"Did you know every year Mao was in power the life expectancy in China rose by a year? Mao also didn't have sweat shop labours, and worked pretty hard on gender equality. Most likely killed a few million people however, that may be a negative."

18-32.5 million sure is a few million....

and why is it that sweatshops are a bad thing in and of itself? I mean, between starving and living, I'd pick the living, and if it means a sweatshop, well...

EDIT: oh, 1 year every year. riiight. and what was the starting point exactly?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 27, 2012, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: D on November 26, 2012, 09:56:12 PM"Would rather die than live life as a sweatshop worker." (Says the guy who doesn't have to ever worry about working in one to feed his family)

If he lived in a country with sweatshops, he'd have that choice: not to go get a job at a sweatshop and starve to death. In fact, for millions, that IS their only choice!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 27, 2012, 08:32:28 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 27, 2012, 07:17:58 AM
If he lived in a country with sweatshops, he'd have that choice: not to go get a job at a sweatshop and starve to death. In fact, for millions, that IS their only choice!

As I understand it, the usual other options are to go work as a prostitute, for less money and all the usual risks of being a prostitute in a society that tries to not have them, or be a domestic, for even less money and likely get raped by your employer anyway.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 28, 2012, 05:32:29 PM
An oldie but a shitty.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 28, 2012, 06:06:14 PM
SUPPORT NASA OR YOU HATE WOMEN WITH BREAST CANCER

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 28, 2012, 07:44:52 PM
Quote from: D on November 28, 2012, 06:06:14 PM
SUPPORT NASA OR YOU HATE WOMEN WITH BREAST CANCER

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And who was it that developed the Software? Was the software in existence before NASA used it?
These are the questions people should be asking.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 28, 2012, 11:18:19 PM
Notice how it says the same algorithms were used for both. It sneakily avoids claiming that the algorithm was directly developed for and used first by the Hubble.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 30, 2012, 12:28:06 PM
Does it never end?!?

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 30, 2012, 12:53:28 PM
And The Last Supper was commissioned by a guy named Ludovico Sforza, yet nobody credits him for anything. In fact, people think that profits ruin the arts.

But to make a more obvious point: How many technological and medical innovations were done in Nazi Germany? "Solving problems on the battlefield, helps us solve problems at home", amiright?

Hell, fucking Wernher Von Braun, anyone? DON'T CUT the FUNDING FOR NAZIS!!@^!@% HERMAGERD
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 30, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on November 30, 2012, 12:28:06 PM
Does it never end?!?

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/487018_506760746011608_1530318183_n.jpg)

Of course not.

Also, the only real improvement made to this process since the 1950's (and this is a process that has been around for just about a century now) is the little detail of continuously replacing the dialysate with fresh solution.  This makes the process more efficient by requiring a much smaller volume of dialysate than if you just had a big tank of the stuff (the whole process works by diffusion gradients and pressure differentials), but that's a rather obvious improvement to just having a large tank.  Other than that, the technology has only had one other major improvement since this form was invented in 1946, that being improvements to the design of the shunts used to get blood in and out of the patient's body that allow dialysis to be used a a long-term treatment.

Quote from: VectorM on November 30, 2012, 12:53:28 PM
And The Last Supper was commissioned by a guy named Ludovico Sforza, yet nobody credits him for anything. In fact, people think that profits ruin the arts.

But to make a more obvious point: How many technological and medical innovations were done in Nazi Germany? "Solving problems on the battlefield, helps us solve problems at home", amiright?

Hell, fucking Wernher Von Braun, anyone? DON'T CUT the FUNDING FOR NAZIS!!@^!@% HERMAGERD

Most of the innovations that were made in Nazi Germany either don't rally work in any useful way, or were based on Forbidden Experiments and have thus been intentionally forgotten (and not many of those actually existed).

Incidentally, von Braun could hardly have done more damage to Nazi Germany's war efforts.  Instead of a cheap, simple, effective war rocket, he delivered them a complex, expensive, hard to build, hard to use research missile with a rather small warhead and poor aiming characteristics (although it did seem to be rather good at striking German bases when the guidance went wrong).  Putting the same resources into conventional bombs and bombers would have netted far more effect.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 02, 2012, 11:25:10 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 02, 2012, 04:34:49 PM
QuoteSuch ignorance... The recession we're living in today is basically due to a completely unregulated system that collapsed on itself. Anyone who understands the basics of economics will tell you that.
It's easy to say private schools are better when they're not required to keep poorly achieving children like the public sector. Learn to analyze before you criticize... I went to public and will bust your brains any day I can guarantee that based on your current level of logic, or lack thereof.

Socialist are hilarious!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 03, 2012, 01:56:39 AM
That was absolutely laughable. Talk about trying to hide complete ignorance with fake confidence. (or I guess just plain delusional)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 03, 2012, 07:05:20 AM
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What happened with Jovan Belcher (http://www.examiner.com/article/kansas-city-chiefs-jovan-blecher-kills-girlfriend-commits-suicide) was tragic and horrific incident, but regardless of that, Bob Costas has no business throwing his political agenda out during half time of a football game. It's unprofessional, to say the very least.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on December 03, 2012, 06:05:17 PM
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Because Rapists only rape because no one showed them how not to rape.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 03, 2012, 08:44:01 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on December 03, 2012, 06:05:17 PM
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an obvious subscriber to the chimpanzee theory of society.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on December 04, 2012, 09:18:40 AM
"Romney is the most Libertarian candidate Republicans have run since Calvin Coolidge." Ann Coulter.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 04, 2012, 09:43:22 AM
Quote from: Goaticus on December 04, 2012, 09:18:40 AM
"Romney is the most Libertarian candidate Republicans have run since Calvin Coolidge." Ann Coulter.

The sad part is, she's probably right.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 04, 2012, 11:03:23 AM
It pains me to have to put John Stossel and Andrew Napolitano in Fail Quotes, but I don't have much of a choice with this:
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They were basically pulling the same Supreme Court argument about why Romney is the lesser of two evils.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 04, 2012, 01:00:39 PM
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QuoteThe United States ran up big debts during the global financial crisis and the recession in the aftermath trying to stimulate the economy and make sure that we didn't deep dive into an even deeper recession than where we already were.  That makes sense because if you're in the middle of a downturn it's not a good time to put on the brakes with fiscal austerity, raising taxes to raise more money,and cutting spending to tighten the government's belt.
It especially doesn't make sense if you can borrow at low interest rates.  And during the recent crisis, the United States could borrow at some of the lowest interest rates in its history, and that's why our debt problem is not as urgent as a lot of people may say.  Right now the debt service that we pay, that's the interest payments that we pay all the time, are at a very low rate.  In fact, they were much higher during the Reagan and first Bush Administrations.
This may not last forever because interest rates can rise, just as they can fall.  And if interest rates do rise, which typically happens when the economy recovers and there's more demand for credit, then we will have to start paying a little bit more and we'll have to start thinking more about how we're going to close that big debt gap.
We have several years before that happens, though, so we can phase in a nice gradual solution without making any sharp cuts to spending and without making any sharp increases in tax rates.  But over the long term, there's no doubt -- we need to cut spending a little bit and we need to have higher tax rates because right now we have some of the lowest effective tax rates since the 1940s and at a time when people expect more than ever from their government.  We'll have to deal with Social Security and Medicare, too, but we typically do that by extending the retirement age a little bit, cutting benefits a little bit, and maybe we'll even remove benefits from some higher earners.
All of these things together will help us to close our debt gap, but we don't have to do it in a sharp shocking way today.  We have a few years of runway to do it. It's definitely not a good idea just to kick the can down the road and let the next government deal with it.  It's tempting to do that because people in this government are more concerned about re-election than what might happen ten or 20 years from now, but we can use the time that we have to phase in these changes so that there aren't abrupt dislocations in our economy.  A responsible Congress would act now setting a plan that would phase in these changes over the next five to ten years.

GOTTA RAISE THOSE TAXES
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 04, 2012, 04:12:56 PM
Ah, adblocker haters.  Here's something we haven't covered a ton.

Daniel Hale in this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v-iAFyVQPw&lc=iJ6xm0KgYazMw843cb_tym_lBOsiG63vpp38i09HqDQ&feature=inbox

Started with someone mentioning using adblocker if you don't like the ads and this flaky fanatic comes in with

Daniel Hale: Why would you use an adblocker? These people aren't celebrity famous, it isn't like downloading the odd song every so often, youtubers rely on ads to keep their channels going and when you use an adblocker you are stealing from these people you cunt."

Me:

Because he doesn't want his computer bogged down with malaware snooping on him?

Yeah, sorry to all the honest advertisers out there but thanks to a few of them who just can't restrain themselves, adblocker is a neccessity. This is why we can't have nice things folks.


Daniel Hale: ..Wow, that's just awful. Not even going to admit it's a dick move? Just going to attempt to make up some lame excuse for it? I've never gotten any kind of malware and neither has anyone I know, that's a TERRIBLE excuse and you should feel bad. Feel free to write back whatever you want, you only deserve one response and this is it. Wow, just wow.

As I responded to him:

"I've never gotten any kind of malware"

ooh, so your argument is "Because X has never happened to me, that must mean X never happens at all." Someone took the 5$ debating class instead of the 10$ one here.

First rule of debating: Personal anecdotes are worthless.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 04, 2012, 05:20:05 PM
I must be the only guy on the internet who doesn't mind ads. Sure, I mind if they put 50 flash ads on a page and it bogs down my computer, I mind if there's malware, but a basic adblocker with a blacklist (not one that blocks everything) and virus protection will prevent that.

But I don't block ads as a matter of course. In fact, if I like the video or site, I'll give 'em a click, even if it's nothing I would buy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 04, 2012, 06:36:56 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 04, 2012, 05:20:05 PM
I must be the only guy on the internet who doesn't mind ads. Sure, I mind if they put 50 flash ads on a page and it bogs down my computer, I mind if there's malware, but a basic adblocker with a blacklist (not one that blocks everything) and virus protection will prevent that.

But I don't block ads as a matter of course. In fact, if I like the video or site, I'll give 'em a click, even if it's nothing I would buy.

Well, I didn't get my security program for the purpose of blocking youtube ads.  It just happened to and I saw no reason to tinker with it.

But this guy shooting his mouth off about how that's stealing from people is just retarded.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 05, 2012, 07:32:13 AM
In this week's Naruto chapter, Naruto gives this stupid line while having a discussion with the bad guy after all of the Shinobi Alliance shows up.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/33ah0eh.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 05, 2012, 11:46:09 AM
I bloody knew it. People are already saying that adblocks are immoral. It's just one stupid idiot, sure, but as more people start making money off the internet, more of these idiots will pop up. I wonder how long untill someone wants us to pass a law against adblocks. "But we need to ban adblocks, so people could keep making content on the internet! Just like with copyrights"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 05, 2012, 12:35:10 PM
They need to make the ads in such a way that we won't want to block them. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 05, 2012, 02:10:11 PM
Quote from: D on December 05, 2012, 07:32:13 AM
In this week's Naruto chapter, Naruto gives this stupid line while having a discussion with the bad guy after all of the Shinobi Alliance shows up.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/33ah0eh.jpg)

I thought everyone knew Naruto is stupid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 05, 2012, 02:23:00 PM
I kinda have to say something about this, but the whole "90% of fights end up on the ground." is bullshit. Unless you have statistical data showing that's true, don't use percentages.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 05, 2012, 03:31:52 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 05, 2012, 02:10:11 PM
I thought everyone knew Naruto is stupid.

Yes, he is stupid, but this is supposed to be an "inspiring line" to make him look heroic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 05, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: D on December 05, 2012, 03:31:52 PM
Yes, he is stupid, but this is supposed to be an "inspiring line" to make him look heroic.

That a fan translation or a direct release?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 05, 2012, 05:46:10 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 05, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
That a fan translation or a direct release?

It's a fan translation admittedly, so we'll have to see what the official translation looks like to truly know the exact line, but until then, the point still stands.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 05, 2012, 06:50:10 PM
Quote from: D on December 05, 2012, 05:46:10 PM
It's a fan translation admittedly, so we'll have to see what the official translation looks like to truly know the exact line, but until then, the point still stands.

The manga is only to that point? No wonder they are running a fuller arc in the anime. (Of which I refuse to watch.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on December 05, 2012, 07:48:47 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 05, 2012, 02:23:00 PM
I kinda have to say something about this, but the whole "90% of fights end up on the ground." is bullshit. Unless you have statistical data showing that's true, don't use percentages.

I agree and I've been wrestling since I was 9 and have black belts in Judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 06, 2012, 02:55:21 PM
This excerpt from a recent exchange on one of Derek Colanduno's threads has to be seen to be believed:
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 06, 2012, 03:24:50 PM
>U mad bro?

He officially lost this argument and all future arguments he might get in.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 06, 2012, 04:30:22 PM
Quote from: D on December 06, 2012, 03:24:50 PM
>U mad bro?

He officially lost this argument and all future arguments he might get in.

I pointed that out.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 06, 2012, 07:53:14 PM
Seems even knives can get in here.

http://budk.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=156774&

Zoom in on the blade.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 07, 2012, 08:51:34 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 06, 2012, 07:53:14 PM
Seems even knives can get in here.

http://budk.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=156774&

Zoom in on the blade.

Even the name is a fail.  Sorry, buy, no, that is NOT a Bowie knife.  You try a block with the back of that thing and it just isn't going to work properly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 07, 2012, 09:35:02 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on December 07, 2012, 08:51:34 AM
Even the name is a fail.  Sorry, buy, no, that is NOT a Bowie knife.  You try a block with the back of that thing and it just isn't going to work properly.

Plus, it doesn't look a thing like David Bowie.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 07, 2012, 12:31:57 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 07, 2012, 09:35:02 AM
Plus, it doesn't look a thing like David Bowie.

Actually, my Bowie knife is actually named David.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 07, 2012, 09:08:24 PM
The following is a reply to the following videos:
[YT]ucoP4-06O7M[/YT]
[YT]FC5Gkox-1QY[/YT]
[YT]bvqNVs4ix6E[/YT]

Quote from: bertjor;1302506It seems that the professor has conveniently left out few very important things that he should have mentioned.The payroll taxes are the second largest source of federal funds, being close behind the federal income tax

[SPOILER]
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Federal_Receipts_by_Source%2C_2010.jpg)[/SPOILER]

And oh look, surprise surprise, the the payroll tax is inverse to the corporate tax over the years, and let us not forget that the professor stated that corporations use tax deductibles and other means to circumvent taxation.

[SPOILER](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Federal_receipts_by_Source_Historical_1950-2010.jpg)[/SPOILER]

This is in light of the fact that he failed to mention the per capita part of the equation. As the population increases, so does the number of people involved in production of capital, and therefore revenue for the government. To state that taxation has changed and yet the slice of the government has remained the same is true, if you also ignore the fact that GDP has increased over the years

http://visualizingeconomics.com/blog/2011/03/08/long-term-real-growth-in-us-gdp-per-capita-1871-2009 (http://visualizingeconomics.com/blog/2011/03/08/long-term-real-growth-in-us-gdp-per-capita-1871-2009)

I also didn't like the way he commented on taxing the rich, and how he presented that predicament of rich people if the taxes increased, ignoring the fact that people who also make lets say 300 000 will also pay the same percentage. Not to mention the fact that the issue is centered around corporate tax as much as it is taxing the rich.

The amazing part though, is that I agree with him when he says that a simplified tax code is necessary, allowing for a much more cohesive system, without the option of manipulation. That, and cutting unnecessary expenses can be sufficient for not merely dealing with the deficit, but generating a nice surplus as well.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on December 08, 2012, 05:48:56 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 04, 2012, 09:43:22 AM
The sad part is, she's probably right.

Didn't Goldwater win the nomination in 1964?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 08, 2012, 11:52:22 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on December 11, 2009, 05:45:20 PM
Cracked.com had the best counter to this.  If it was that simple to influence people, why aren't government doing it?  The fact that no government has ever been able to successfully utilize subliminal advertising no matter how badly they wanted to should be a confirmation that it doesn't work.
of course you realize you're talking about people who can lose money on a concessions stand!


I'll probably be posting a lot of gems to a message board I frequent.

QuoteThe more I here [sic] the word 'redistribution' the more I like the sound of it. Maybe its [sic] because the right uses it so often in a negative way it must be a good thing. – Psygnosis

And in response to a question I asked that went like this.


QuoteThen why don't you mug the richest individual or gorup you know and donate it to the poorest individual or gorup you know. Tell them that it wasn't stealing and that it was just "redistribution" See how that holds up.

I got the following form another user.

QuoteI don't know how well it would hold up under the law, but I would gladly support stealing from a Bill Gates or a Donald Trump to give to the poor.



Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 09, 2012, 05:16:25 AM
Because Bill Gates just hasn't given his fair share to the poor yet.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 09, 2012, 06:16:33 AM
Quote from: VectorM on December 09, 2012, 05:16:25 AM
Because Bill Gates just hasn't given his fair share to the poor yet.

The response I got to that once was "He just did all that to get Tax deductions. That's the only reason the 1% ever helps the poor. To help their own greed."

My response was, "So?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 09, 2012, 07:37:07 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 09, 2012, 06:16:33 AMThe response I got to that once was "He just did all that to get Tax deductions. That's the only reason the 1% ever helps the poor. To help their own greed."

This argument has NEVER made sense to me. If they donate a million dollars to charity, they'd be able to deduct that million and save paying $350,000 in taxes. But it's not like they keep the million! Even if you consider the $350,000 as some kind of gift to them from the government, they're still out $650k!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on December 09, 2012, 12:00:55 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/12595_10151167490136275_1672434841_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 09, 2012, 12:21:58 PM
You should thank that guy for providing the evidence that our culture brainwashes us towards socialism, trololololz.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on December 09, 2012, 12:27:55 PM
Besides Jesus, are the other 4 really socialist in the first place?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 09, 2012, 12:38:25 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on December 09, 2012, 12:27:55 PM
Besides Jesus, are the other 4 really socialist in the first place?

The only one that would count as a socialist was The Grinch, because he stole people's stuff and eventually gave it back to them, but that's only if you're really desperate to call one of them a socialist.

Socialism requires the use of force to take from one to give to another, and last I checked, the others never really did that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 09, 2012, 12:46:38 PM
Calling George Bailey a socialist is INCREDIBLE fail. He was about as free-market capitalist as you can get! He formed his own bank, as well as his own affordable housing project (just like Mary Ruwart), and he treated his customers well, understanding the value of consumer loyalty. If anyone's a socialist, it's Henry Potter (although he's more accurately a corporatist, but there's a fine line), relying on government force to get what he wants, and, as we see in the movie, even ends up becoming the government himself without George's influence on the town.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 09, 2012, 03:40:03 PM
My god. The bogosity in this thread has to be seen to be believed.

http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=72289

For reference we have #85. Our local Nazi pretending to be libertarian. Then we have Pink Peruvian Flying Bear one of our actual libertarians. Temerit our local die-hard Democrat. pacman who's sort of center left. But the one i'm focusing on is Psygnosis, a pseudo-intellectual left-wing statist who has no understanding of how to argue. You just have to see it for yourselves. Hell if anyone wants to join in and help fill in any gaps I missed it's pretty easy. You can just jump in as a guest. Don't even have to register.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 10, 2012, 12:17:37 PM
My god. It just keeps gettign more absurd. try this on for size

QuoteThe problem with "only donate to things you believe in," is that you will wind up with large chunks of the country without access to decent education, without any form of defense, with increased poverty and malnutrition. Also, because not every city or state has the same income. I'd suspect the "fund only what you believe in" thing would also increase the gap in wealth as wealthy communities would fund a lot in their own community while poorer communities wouldn't be able to fund much even if they wanted to because they don't have the funds.


This should be easy to counter but I can't even find the words. Somebody here could probably articulate a response better then I could
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 10, 2012, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: tnu on December 10, 2012, 12:17:37 PMThis should be easy to counter but I can't even find the words. Somebody here could probably articulate a response better then I could

The biggest refutation is that government "charity" ends up going disproportionately to RICHER areas.

It also implies that poor people are stupid and can't do for themselves, so none of them would create jobs or engage in economic activity on their own. Also, if people are willing to donate money to charities that go into subsaharan Africa, why would they be unwilling to do it to charities that go to rural US?

It also fundamentally misunderstands the nature and effect of charity. Charity is a short-term, individual solution. Trying to use it as a macro solution just doesn't work; you need economic activity for that. And to increase economic activity, all you have to do is set people free.

The argument matches neither logic nor the empirical data.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 10, 2012, 12:52:13 PM
Watching one of Moviebob's reviews for the movie "In Time."  He claims the movie is a metaphor for unrestrained capitalism which does seem to be the case.

Yeah, cause when I think of free markets, a society where the government regulates people's very lifespans and rigs it behind the scenes is totally the first thing that comes to mind!

Cripes, ever since Karl Marx, people seem keen on taking economic advice from the people who are least qualified to give it.  Marx was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and never did a day's work in his life.  And now we get people who couldn't be more detached from the everyman if they lived on Mars doling out their take on the economy.  People seriously should be falling down laughing at the absurdity of it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 10, 2012, 12:55:10 PM
Thanks for that one Shane. was having trouble putting together my argument. at any rate i have a few more gems to share with the community.

QuoteWhat if I want to form a group that serves to seize and destroy property? Won't that stand just as good a chance at succeeding? Or does only the good prevail in this stateless society?

I asked if he meant the IRS. This question came form a monarchist no less.


QuoteBut then what's to stop the armed mob from luring away "police officers" with offers of greater wealth and intimidation and in turn becoming more powerful than the police themselves? Nothing.

Um.... What's stopping them now exaclty?

QuoteOf course we would have the right to defend ourselves in a stateless society, but would that be enough? What if one charismatic individual were able to band together with a number of other individuals and demand that property were surrendered to him and his cronies? What if we were powerless to stop this group?


You mean eminent domain?

QuoteHow do we ensure the courts deal out fair justice?

How exactly do we do that now?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 10, 2012, 01:48:37 PM
Quote from: tnu on December 10, 2012, 12:55:10 PM
Thanks for that one Shane. was having trouble putting together my argument. at any rate i have a few more gems to share with the community.

I asked if he meant the IRS. This question came form a monarchist no less.

Um.... What's stopping them now exaclty?

You mean eminent domain?

How exactly do we do that now?

It's amazing, isn't it, how all of the fearmongering statists make about what would happen if the free market dominated (without the first piece of evidence, of course) already happens with the state.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 10, 2012, 05:45:39 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 10, 2012, 01:48:37 PM
It's amazing, isn't it, how all of the fearmongering statists make about what would happen if the free market dominated (without the first piece of evidence, of course) already happens with the state.

Oh dear that was quite a typo. Monarchist is supposed to be minarchist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 10, 2012, 06:28:25 PM
Quote
Hey dumbass, the recent collapses of our economic systems has been due to a LACK of proper regulation. Sub-prime mortgage, Wall St gambling, improperly capitalized banks, financial institutions too big to fail, etc...ALL due to lack of regulation.

Shane, I think a video debunking this crap needs to be made because I keep running into it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 10, 2012, 06:47:39 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 10, 2012, 06:28:25 PM
Shane, I think a video debunking this crap needs to be made because I keep running into it.

I've made several already!

Just give them my challenge: point to ONE section in the CFR that was removed without being replaced.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 10, 2012, 10:18:54 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 10, 2012, 06:47:39 PM
I've made several already!

Just give them my challenge: point to ONE section in the CFR that was removed without being replaced.

QuoteThe NUMBER of regulations is immaterial. What's being regulated is what matters. For example, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 exempted various financial products from regulation & supervision, & reduced capital reserve requirements. This allowed for the creation of credit default swaps, a MAJOR contributor to the financial crisis of '08. It also permitted banks to operate w/inadequate capital.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 10, 2012, 10:37:05 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 10, 2012, 10:18:54 PMthe Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000...allowed for the creation of credit default swaps

They've been able to do that in the US since the early 1990s. Also, most other countries in the world have been able to do that for decades; only the European Union banned them in 2011. Canada, Australia, Japan, and many other countries still allow them.

QuoteIt also permitted banks to operate w/inadequate capital.

Fractional Reserve did that. Put into law in 1862.

Someone has his history wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 11, 2012, 12:52:50 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 10, 2012, 10:37:05 PM
They've been able to do that in the US since the early 1990s. Also, most other countries in the world have been able to do that for decades; only the European Union banned them in 2011. Canada, Australia, Japan, and many other countries still allow them.

Fractional Reserve did that. Put into law in 1862.

Someone has his history wrong.

QuoteOK, fine, CDS began in the '90s. But they were deregulated by the CFMA of 2k. LACK of regulation was downfall. And as you pt out, the EU intervened w/the ultimate regulation: a ban.
Fractional reserve banking permits less than 100% capitalization. CFMA permitted even lower capitalization--dangerously low.
In both cases, lax regulations allowed the trouble. Banks showed they couldn't reliably self-regulate. My original pt was that lax--NOT EXCESS--govt oversight was the problem. Try again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 11, 2012, 03:20:25 AM
QuoteAll right, explain how corporatism goes away if we have a totally free market.

Not anything new by any stretch, but the fact that this question still persists just shows people don't have any understanding of these terms.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on December 11, 2012, 06:04:24 AM
This entire article http://thoughtsonliberty.com/why-libertarians-should-end-the-libertarian-party (http://thoughtsonliberty.com/why-libertarians-should-end-the-libertarian-party) by Rachel Burger

Some excerpts.

"Before you scoff at the idea of working within the Republican Party, consider the liberty-minded people who have been able to hold office and effectuate change because they were able to garner votes from the republican label heuristic (meaning people wanted to vote for a republican, not knowing their actual policies). "

Can't really think of any. Was the Republican National Convention that long ago? It's still 2012, right?

"What remains are the scorekeepers, the people who (mostly) vote based on the economy. They do not have the incentives to learn an entirely different paradigm from democrat/republican. "

They should, since they have the exact same policies and the exact same effects. Also hilarious that she pretends that people simply don't have the incentive to learn as opposed to being unaware of other options which is exactly what Libertarians are trying to show them.

"Remember, American voters tend to vote for their parents' parties, if they vote at all, and they do not vote ideologically."

Citation needed. Especially in light of the generational gap in voting or that people who vote for the party their parents support do so because of ideology.

"The kind of paradigm shift that libertarians are hoping for is not going to come from a third party."

And it sure as hell isn't going to come from the Republicans. I always ask these people why they don't form a "Libertarian Wing" of the Democratic Party.

"but the fact is that if the liberty movement wants to take itself seriously, it has to swallow its pride, and work on transforming the Republican Party. "

What a novel idea, no ones tried that before. Also yet again, why not the Democratic Party?

"The problem of working within the Republican Party is that our good guys can be morphed into traditional Republicans. We cannot let this happen."

Can be should be changed to happens 99.99% of the time and morphed into should be changed to keeping the positions they have always held while "Libertarian" Republicans pretend it was all part of some giant strategy that never seems to actually turn into Liberty.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 11, 2012, 08:59:24 AM
More anti-GMO conspiratard bullshit.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/wk1rb6.jpg)

I hope these people don't eat orange carrots.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 11, 2012, 09:00:59 AM
QuoteWhen you have a positive argument for a better system instead of whining about the one we are currently using feel free to start a thread.


Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 11, 2012, 02:46:25 PM
Quote from: tnu on December 11, 2012, 09:00:59 AMWhen you have a positive argument for a better system instead of whining about the one we are currently using feel free to start a thread.

wtf?

EDIT: OK, that was supposed to be quoted TNU's failquote post...It's been fixed
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 12, 2012, 04:27:22 AM
Union thugs decide to destroy a tent put up by the AFP.
Not a big fan of the AFP, but WTF.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 13, 2012, 10:47:13 PM
http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/12/oh-brother-john-stossel-also-has-pharma-ties.html

God, I hate this morons.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 13, 2012, 11:13:44 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 13, 2012, 10:47:13 PM
http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/12/oh-brother-john-stossel-also-has-pharma-ties.html

God, I hate this morons.

He's a baby killer, and as such his opinion isn't valid for anything other than confirming that he's a baby killer and a moron.

That might seem harsh and out of line, but the fact that he's an anti-vaccer means that is exactly what he is and he shouldn't be taken seriously at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 14, 2012, 01:20:34 AM
Quote from: D on December 13, 2012, 11:13:44 PM
He's a baby killer, and as such his opinion isn't valid for anything other than confirming that he's a baby killer and a moron.

That might seem harsh and out of line, but the fact that he's an anti-vaccer means that is exactly what he is and he shouldn't be taken seriously at all.

Seems what Shane says about Anti-vaccers is true.
They will accuse you of being with big pharma if you disagree with them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 14, 2012, 02:44:31 AM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/382048_10151171794921275_1986951881_n.jpg)

Why am I not surprised that this is from "Being Liberal"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 14, 2012, 06:29:47 AM
This is a response from a friend of mine when I made a post on Facebook about the Non-Aggression Principle:

QuoteAggression and violence aren't the same thing. If I see a friend about to do something that's going to completely wreck their life, or even cause inconvenience, you're damn right I'm gonna be aggressive with them. They have the right to free will, and I have the right to oppose them. It has to be a moral call as to whether a line is crossed, I think. The idea that aggression is INHERENTLY illegitimate is an absolute, black-and-white stance that I just can't get behind. Thoughts?

I didn't realize other people are his property.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 14, 2012, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: D on December 14, 2012, 06:29:47 AM
This is a response from a friend of mine when I made a post on Facebook about the Non-Aggression Principle:

I didn't realize other people are his property.


The worst kind of tyrant is one who genuinely wants to help.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 14, 2012, 01:12:09 PM
Quote from: tnu on December 14, 2012, 12:27:39 PM

The worst kind of tyrant is one who genuinely wants to help.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 14, 2012, 01:21:18 PM
Quote from: D on December 14, 2012, 01:12:09 PM
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

That's not why the worst tyrants are those who genuinely want to help.

They're the worst because they actually think that halting their tyranny would be immoral.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 14, 2012, 05:58:55 PM
Quoteheres the thing , the rich and the poor are both important , the rich invest but if theres no poor to work for you , then dafuq do your money do? the rich supply and the poor work , but this time they are actually taking care of the poor a little by calling the rich to help pay more and the poor needing to pay less , the rich will still be rich and unaffected but it will be a lot of help to the poor and lightening the burden. Hence , spreading the wealth around.

Boy, am I tired of this bogosity.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 14, 2012, 06:50:16 PM
So I point out the truth about the complete apathy of Americans when it comes to the death of children in other countries by the hands of our government and I got this wonderful strawman:
QuoteSo, D. you dont believe parents and the community should mourn over their lost because 3rd world countries children are dying because of wars?

Same children that would have been suffering and dying without any intervention either? You know because of their government and the radicals that live in those 3rd world countries?


Ever consider that it is big news because its Local news?

If something happen like this Jamaica it would be just as big news, same kind mourning and grief but I guess Jamaicans shouldnt mourn because children are dying elsewhere because thats outside our control. So where is the breaking point here? If my kid was killed me and my neighbours have to pay our respects to those elsewhere first then begin our own grief. /shrug


D. I enjoy your posts but sometimes you got to put aside your views just 1 time and pay some respects.

And even more fail:

QuoteYour entire pretense is a strawman.

Because America isn't the only country guilty of that. In fact even the very countries don't treat it as a tragedy.

You are also under the assumption that people and not the media don't feel bad about it.

I wont even address the US military killing kids part, because A) I seen this first hand not read about it in the news and b) While US government is guilty of a lot of things I could agree to however the government of the very same country is twice as guilty.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 14, 2012, 10:50:00 PM
and here we go with Fail Quotes again. THis time from a user by the name of EN

Quotetnu, if single payer healthcare worked well (whatever your definition of well is), would you still be opposed to it?

I responded thusly.

Would you be able to implement and maintain it through strictly voluntary means? Without the threat of force and without creating a state monopoly?

He responded as such



f
Quoterom my (limited) understanding of single-payer helathcare, the medical care is funded from a single insurance pool that is run by the state. the services can be provided by private companies, but the payment is done by the state. so to answer your question, no.

but i'm still interested in my question - if it worked well, would you end up supporting it, even if it goes against some of your political beliefs?

and finally I siad.


From what you've told me and what I've heard from my Canadian friend {{Hawkeye}} (who has absolutely no love for the system). The claim that it is the best of all possible options is something I find dubious at best. I've yet to see a truly convincing argument that it works from a practical stand point or a moral standpoint.

Not sure how much these qualify as fail quotes but I figured I'd post them here to see what the board thinks.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 15, 2012, 07:36:34 AM
John Layfield, former pro-wrestler now financial analyst for Fox News decided to promote the idea of gun control with this piece of fail:

QuoteI agree Americans have a constitutional right to own guns-'The Right to Bear Arms' is a protected right. However, we can't own nuclear weapons or chemical weapons, so there is a limit. The question is where that limit is.

The guy in China used a knife to cut 22 kids this week, the murderer in Connecticut used a gun. Evil people do evil things and there is no way to stop it. However, look at the differences in murders by handguns per country.

The NRA lobbies up to $200 million a year to buy off our crooked politicians to protect their money making ventures. All of this is legal. I don't fault the NRA, I fault the politicians who can be bought off and the system we have that allows lobbying.

Pres Obama got accused of being anti gun by Gov Romney, that is not true. Pres Obama has NO gun policy, good or bad. For that matter neither did the flip flopper Romney who had said he was against the NRA before he said he was for it.

After Columbine we said it was too early to discuss guns, after Denver we said it was too early, every time this happens we say it is too early. I hate what happened and I feel pain for these families of the innocent who died for no reason. We must not use this as a political event for any reason, however, we need to discuss how to best prevent this from happening.

We need to outlaw assault weapons, and if assault weapons are found-the person that sold them or made them should be prosecuted. The ability to make an automatic weapon into a semi automatic should also be banned, again punish the manufacturer or seller.

I believe handguns at best have to be registered. Shotguns are the best home defense weapon, not pistols. If you want to own 1,000 shotgun or rifles it is fine with me, I still think these should be registered and a background check should be done.

Robberies are not done , generally, by shotguns as they are too large. Handguns and assault rifles are our problem, along with pistols that can be easily hidden.

We have the right to bear arms, but not all arms-the debate should now be made as to how to implement real gun laws that matter.

I mourn for the loss of our fellow Americans.

Any vitriol on comments or nasty remarks will just get you blocked, it is time we are civil to each other.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 15, 2012, 01:10:03 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/e3047fd71317f0c510b765f4fcd4e3c3/tumblr_mf1hodDzrU1r43hwjo1_1280.jpg)

>West Germany

Why should I take this seriously when they don't even realize that Germany isn't split anymore...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 15, 2012, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: D on December 15, 2012, 01:10:03 PM
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>West Germany

Why should I take this seriously when they don't even realize that Germany isn't split anymore...

It's an old image.  They haven't been called HCI since 2001.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 15, 2012, 04:09:50 PM
The fail from Psyg and Temerite has to be seen to be believed.


http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=72390


Psyg apperently can't answer questions and  can't do anythign but make strawmen and implicit statements that are supposexd to be absurd. syaing that my disagreement with being robbed by the state is somehow silly bty comparing it to the absolutely rediculous notion that I owuld disagree with getting a aprking ticket. I mean how foolish of me for not wnating ot be robbed by the state for parking in a way they don't like on land that's not theirs.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 15, 2012, 06:46:36 PM
Quote from: D on December 15, 2012, 01:10:03 PM
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>West Germany

Why should I take this seriously when they don't even realize that Germany isn't split anymore...

Not to mention the Huge cherry picking.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 15, 2012, 07:39:52 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/530430_522778294406651_1475780360_n.png)

Nah, I can't mince words here. Fuck this guy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 15, 2012, 08:27:45 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 15, 2012, 06:46:36 PM
Not to mention the Huge cherry picking.

Here's the thing though, when I mentioned this type of stuff on a different forum, I was told that you can only compare the U.S. with equivalent countries, like Canada and such. So it did make me think, how exactly do you make these comparisons and what is the proper way to try and get some answers from the different correlations? Because I think I got this thing wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 15, 2012, 08:39:13 PM
Quote from: VectorM on December 15, 2012, 08:27:45 PM
Here's the thing though, when I mentioned this type of stuff on a different forum, I was told that you can only compare the U.S. with equivalent countries, like Canada and such. So it did make me think, how exactly do you make these comparisons and what is the proper way to try and get some answers from the different correlations? Because I think I got this thing wrong.

Cross-cultural comparisons are INCREDIBLY difficult to do with any validity, so you end up with a situation where pretty much the only people with the integrity to take the time to do them right just don't bother with it and use other methods. One such method is to do a before/after comparison within the same culture; so, what was happening before the law was passed vs. after, and are there any other factors that could also contribute to the difference? That's a lot easier than trying to control for all cultural factors as well.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 16, 2012, 06:20:46 PM
Everything said by NC Board of Elections General Counsel Don Wright in this email exchange: http://shanekillian.org/sk/NC-Board-of-Elections-refuses-to-count-constitutionally-valid-votes/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 16, 2012, 08:35:17 PM
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Apparently shootings are grounds for eliminating freedom of the press.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on December 17, 2012, 12:41:39 AM
So now I've gone from making pointless comments on YouTube to making pointless comments on Deviantart. That's gotta be a step up, right?

Anyhow, a fellow by the name of Gryphon2001 made some comments in regards to (http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Shane-s-Epic-Rant-on-Corporations-342524218) one of Shane's Bogosity podcasts, which I had to refute (the comment, not the podcast)...

Quote from: Gryphon2001
[Shane] Obviously doesn't Know that the 'federal government' IS A CORPORATION.

Quote from: Altimadark
...I think he knows it's worse than any corporation could hope to be.

And then the fail comes in on the non sequitur train:

Quote from: Gryphon2001Off the top of my head, I can't give you Links to show it, but in conjunction with the Establishment of the 'federal reserve bank' (a private corporation, OWNED by 'THE CITY OF LONDON CORPORATION' (look it up) and other 'jewish' Bankers (rothschild, rockefeller, morgan(thaler) gellermann/sachs (Goldman-Sachs) and several others) the CONgress was duped/bought into approving the incorporation of the 'government' so as to allow the 'federal reserve bank' to Print fiat paper money (the original 'jewish' Scam) and LOAN it to the People (though their 'government')
and since then YOU are a DEBT SLAVE,
OWNED BY 'god's chosen people'.
Got a Problem with that? Google Up any of those Key Words I used, and Read, with an Open Mind, what comes up...
p.s. 'google' is a department of the "NSA" which is a PArt of the 'corporation'.

At that point, any chance for an intelligent conversation was over, though not for lack of trying. After a brief back-and-forth, where I asked him to support his claims and he refused because he claimed only a troll would ask, he blocked me and finished with this comment:

Quote from: Gryphon2001I don't 'make claims', I just make Comments.. and I like the Blocktroll Feature on this Website...

...clearly displaying both his closed mind and/or intent to troll.

One final note, while his block keeps me from replying to him directly, the conversation is on another person's journal, so I'm still able to post comments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 17, 2012, 05:06:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPPm4885DVo&lc=JHCdYhuuV_Tpp0CFA4g6QxV8agczz9MG9YgZadkiH5k

Wow, check it out!  I got a holocaust denier now.

elbuggo by name.  It's cute how smart they seem to think they are.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 17, 2012, 12:30:33 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 16, 2012, 06:20:46 PM
Everything said by NC Board of Elections General Counsel Don Wright in this email exchange: http://shanekillian.org/sk/NC-Board-of-Elections-refuses-to-count-constitutionally-valid-votes/

Shane? Why is it that so often i've found more and more reason to be ashamed ofour state?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 17, 2012, 09:50:30 PM
 I present, Piers Morgan.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 18, 2012, 12:19:03 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 17, 2012, 09:50:30 PM
I present, Piers Morgan.
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you just have to the love the sheer amount of emotional platitudes and "think of the children" mentality (so called).

what I don't see, neither from Mr. Morgan, or any of the dozens of exhibits in the comments below is anyone actually addressing the reasons why mass murders in schools (or mass murders in general) happen.

why isn't anyone on the major mass media channels (FOX, MSNBC, etc) attempting to see the links between the various incidents, aside from the tool used? where are the studies, the common links, the actual facts? why isn't anyone trying to examine the motivation to the murders? draw common threads? take action according to that, and perhaps in the process saving hundreds of lives in the process?

the fact that people aren't looking into this on the news, or in Congress, or anywhere where there is media coverage--even the media itself--and instead are trying to talk "points", is in my opinion the greatest slur on the memory of the victims possible. hell, it's not an opinion, it's a fact.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 18, 2012, 05:26:44 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on December 18, 2012, 12:19:03 AM
you just have to the love the sheer amount of emotional platitudes and "think of the children" mentality (so called).

what I don't see, neither from Mr. Morgan, or any of the dozens of exhibits in the comments below is anyone actually addressing the reasons why mass murders in schools (or mass murders in general) happen.

why isn't anyone on the major mass media channels (FOX, MSNBC, etc) attempting to see the links between the various incidents, aside from the tool used? where are the studies, the common links, the actual facts? why isn't anyone trying to examine the motivation to the murders? draw common threads? take action according to that, and perhaps in the process saving hundreds of lives in the process?

the fact that people aren't looking into this on the news, or in Congress, or anywhere where there is media coverage--even the media itself--and instead are trying to talk "points", is in my opinion the greatest slur on the memory of the victims possible. hell, it's not an opinion, it's a fact.

Hell, there are people who commented that you shouldn't bring up the amount of car deaths. Excuse me for wanting to a risk analysis of what's more likely to kill you.
Told someone that the US homicide rate was decreased since 1991 from 9.8 to 4.2 to 4.8 and their response is that I'm an idiot.
Acting just like a creationist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 18, 2012, 02:52:30 PM
But then they say, that gun control is the best band-aid type solution to the problem for now, and that it's simply better to have people no access to guns, so that at least people with knifes can't kill as many people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 18, 2012, 03:25:45 PM
Quote from: VectorM on December 18, 2012, 02:52:30 PM
But then they say, that gun control is the best band-aid type solution to the problem for now, and that it's simply better to have people no access to guns, so that at least people with knifes can't kill as many people.

I don't think anyone's going to let that argument fly anymore.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 18, 2012, 03:36:29 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 18, 2012, 03:25:45 PM
But then they say, that gun control is the best band-aid type solution to the problem for now, and that it's simply better to have people no access to guns, so that at least people with knifes can't kill as many people.
Why do they always exclude bombs? Considering they kill more people and are easy to make.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 18, 2012, 03:39:15 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 18, 2012, 03:36:29 PM
Why do they always exclude bombs? Considering they kill more people and are easy to make.

Just ask the Japanese.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 18, 2012, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 18, 2012, 03:25:45 PM
I don't think anyone's going to let that argument fly anymore.

Doesn't stop these guys:


QuoteBut if you read that link, it suggests that 27 people were killed that year (the highest number EVER). That's the same as this one US school shooting.
Hell, you could also reference the recent school stabbing rampage in china: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-20723910

Crazy dude rampages through school with a knife, stabs 22 people. Kills....zero.

Crazy people are crazy, we get that. But crazy people with knives are vastly less dangerous than crazy people with guns. And crazy people with assault rifles are even worse. Pipebombs require at least rudimentary chemistry knowledge, and are really not that effective anyway. Knives require you to get up close and are really not that effective anyway. Nothing quite has the sheer cathartic thrill of the "point and click, BAM: YOU DED" character of guns.

Taking the guns away is not the answer, clearly, but it's the best instant-fix patchup job available. Furthermore, the more you disincentivise gun ownership, the more you'll reduce the fetish status that guns occupy in the american psyche. Seriously, I don't think there's another civilised nation on this planet that views guns in such an insanely entitled fashion.

QuoteYou're still going to get maniacs who want to inflict damage on a lot of innocent people - and they will do so. Makeshift bombs? Have a look at how many of the Columbine pipe bombs exploded. Knives? See DDL's post. Guns are unequalled for accessability and effectiveness, even when used by an amateur.

While it would be fantastic to have a society where people don't want to do this stuff, that isn't going to happen. As a society, we've never had that and there's no reason to suspect we will in the future. So with that fact in place - that this shooter couldn't have been stopped from wanting to murder people - you have to look at what could have been done to stop him. Not having access to weapons.

Hence, gun control.

http://www.offtopicproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11600&start=30

Also, I am pretty bad at arguing for gun rights...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 18, 2012, 04:24:16 PM
Quote from: VectorM on December 18, 2012, 02:52:30 PM
But then they say, that gun control is the best band-aid type solution to the problem for now, and that it's simply better to have people no access to guns, so that at least people with knifes can't kill as many people.

which is funny, because there have been cases where people have been killed in greater numbers, using just such a weapon (knives). the greatest mass killing of students wasn't even by a hand held weapon: it instead involved an explosive. which had been used as a chemical for farming for almost a decade by then (I refer to the Bath School tragedy from 1927)

@ rehwr: you need to point out that stop-gap measures don't work: OK, so even if we accept this idiots argument that knives are less likely to kill (when really it just means it's less convenient, and more skill dependent), there are still way better methods, which cannot within reason be banned: you can't ban petrol, and you can't ban manure (or pesticide)....


stop gap solutions like the one you quote just show how short sighted these people are: they only think in the short term, and they only obsess over firearms, when really, they need to focus on the murders and what motivated them. There is no intermediate step--no realistic one, as removing means of defense may actually encourage more of these deranged shootings (since you know, criminals don't, by definition, respect the law). also, point out to them while explaining this that almost all the shootings occur in no gun zones, and not in areas where people can safely be assumed as carrying firearms (like, you know, gunshows, farms, hunting grounds, military barracks (Military hospitals are no gun zones), convenience stores (many robberies and mass shooting attempts floundered there). Adding more no gun zones, or making the whole country a no gun zone, is a recipe for disaster, when you consider the prevalence of firearms in North America as a whole, and the fact that, again, criminals don't give a fuck about the law.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 18, 2012, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: VectorM on December 18, 2012, 04:12:30 PM
Pipebombs require at least rudimentary chemistry knowledge,
Its called Google.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 18, 2012, 05:09:52 PM

QuoteAdding more no gun zones, or making the whole country a no gun zone, is a recipe for disaster, when you consider the prevalence of firearms in North America as a whole, and the fact that, again, criminals don't give a fuck about the law.

Then they argue that we should just do whateverthehell to stop so called "mentally ill" people for being able to get guns and this is another fundamental problem with the anti-gun types: they fail to realize, that most of these people are simply not mentally ill.

One of them in that same thread brought up this:

QuoteA thought experiment: you start giving a pistol to every violent schizophrenic patient who enters a psychiatrist's office. They start murdering people. Your response seems to be "Well, we need to tackle the schizophrenia - anything else wouldn't work." No - we need to stop giving them pistols. Incidentally, there's not a lot to stop a mentally ill individual purchasing a gun in the US.

A Schizophrenic would shoot himself twice before shooting anyone else, and when we talk about mass shootings, then they are almost completely incapable of doing anything like that. Most mass shootings are planed in advance, something that a schizophrenic is almost incapable of doing, same with someone with, say, clinical depression. I've been clinically depressed and I could barely get up from my bed and clean myself, or even step out of the house. I person like that is way more likely to jump from someone's rooftop, craw back up and jump again, than he is to do anything even slightly resembling what happened a couple of days ago.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 18, 2012, 06:04:00 PM
Quote from: VectorM on December 18, 2012, 05:09:52 PM
Then they argue that we should just do whateverthehell to stop so called "mentally ill" people for being able to get guns and this is another fundamental problem with the anti-gun types: they fail to realize, that most of these people are simply not mentally ill.

So in other words, they want to duck their head in the sand (or cram it up their asses), and blame it all on mental illness? that's it? no attempt at actually looking into why these people really did this? not even a little bit?

If that's the case, I think the problem with these people isn't that a failure of realization: it's an inability, or unwillingness, to confront the facts, & take action accordingly. I am starting to think that they want to live an a fantasy la-la hippie land.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 18, 2012, 06:47:05 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on December 18, 2012, 06:04:00 PM
So in other words, they want to duck their head in the sand (or cram it up their asses), and blame it all on mental illness? that's it? no attempt at actually looking into why these people really did this? not even a little bit?

As I said, they say that regulating guns is the best band aid solution for now and that's kinda it. Haven't seen any real attempt at addressing the core problem itself. The link to the thread itself is there if you want to read the rest.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 19, 2012, 01:30:57 AM
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My god, Piers Morgan is a dick.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 19, 2012, 01:40:53 AM
Riiiight, so we can't have teachers with guns, but he seems ok with the police having guns?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 19, 2012, 09:46:15 AM
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The video is win, the commens are just UGH!$&
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 19, 2012, 10:43:51 AM
OK This is just too stupid for words.

When I said this in a gun debate


Quote"I am sorry but I frankly dont trust the idea of giving one group who already has a monopoly on initiation force with impunity another monopoly that would put them at such an advantage over the citizenry."

He said this.

QuoteSo you hate capitalism?
This is capitalism exactly.


Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 19, 2012, 09:04:06 PM
RTAmerica just uploaded this. Their person who promotes gun control fails on massive levels and their show fails on massive levels for showing clear bias. The reporter interrupts the pro-gun guy and claims his theory "falls flat" because she claims that Fort Hood was a military base and they had guns. As he replies to correct her, she tells him to let her finish. They also picked one of the worst representatives for pro-2nd Amendment. They basically just took some random dude who sits in a room with a giant "DON'T TREAD ON ME" flag who shows off his assault rifle while the other guy is talking.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 19, 2012, 10:46:02 PM
I feel so sorry for you D. I've noticed that you tend to post a large number of the failquotes and I jsut don't know what to make of thatr.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 19, 2012, 10:49:01 PM
Quote from: tnu on December 19, 2012, 10:46:02 PM
I feel so sorry for you D. I've noticed that you tend to post a large number of the failquotes and I jsut don't know what to make of thatr.

Don't feel too bad. Someone has to do it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 20, 2012, 02:07:26 AM
Quote from: VectorM on December 19, 2012, 01:40:53 AM
Riiiight, so we can't have teachers with guns, but he seems ok with the police having guns?

What kind of asshole calls someone an idiot during an interview?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 20, 2012, 11:56:21 AM
Quote
Just wanna say that Bush and Obama are not comparable in terms of being guilty of war crimes.

Yeah drones are bad, but that's most of Obama's wrongdoing.

George Bush has a very long list indeed.

I really wish that was made up.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 20, 2012, 05:45:09 PM
The conspiratards are out in full force! (http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news680_abduction.html)

QuoteDecember 18, 2012

The parents of the children that were allegedly killed in America's second deadliest mass shooting NEVER GOT TO SEE THEIR DEAD CHILDREN!? Why?

Because authorities claimed they wanted to spare them further agony. The parents were only allowed to identify their children from photographs.

PARENTS DENIED ACCESS

If one of your children was shot, would you want to identify them from a photograph that could have been "photoshopped"??? A photo is NOT proof! Are the children really dead?

The fact is - the parents were never allowed to see and identify their own children. They were forced to take the word of the so called "authorities" that their children were dead.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 20, 2012, 05:57:34 PM
And in other news, apparently words are violence...I wish I was kidding.

QuoteBecause Violent force will be the first thing police would resort to? No. You're trying to justify there violence is okay because it's there right, freedom of speech. There words are cruel, violent, and they should at least be fined for there cruel words.

There is a difference between you 'Rustling my jimmies' and them spouting hate a cruel words.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 20, 2012, 08:12:26 PM
if you're able to reply to him, let him know a guy called Ibrahim has this to say:

hey, guy who posted that, I poo on you! your mother was an elderberry, and dad was a grapist!

now go report me to the police. see how they react.

That, and they have to realize that words=/= violence: just because I say that his dad was a grapist, doesn't mean he is. And while he hates it, it's not a physical scar, and so, he can always ignore it, or even laugh back at it.

and in case you don't know what a grapist is:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 20, 2012, 10:52:59 PM
QuoteAmerica lays to rest a true Hero and Statesman.

Thought this little  gem from my local boards was worth posting. not as bad as most of the stuff on here but the contradiction in terms is just jarring.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 21, 2012, 12:07:21 AM
In a video of Obama's Newtown speech, someone brought up Operation Fast and Furious.
A response was this.
QuoteDo you mean that program where private, legitimate, US gun dealers sold arms to cartel runners while we watched and attempted to follow the guns, or do you mean that you are an idiot who can't take 4 minutes to read up on what he runs his mouth about?

Its like Obamatons are trying to make our heads explode.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 21, 2012, 07:36:18 AM
Even if that were true, the response "And said private gun dealers aren't in jail for that becaaaaaaaauuuuuse....?"

First rule of leadership: EVERYTHING is your fault.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 21, 2012, 07:40:06 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on December 21, 2012, 07:36:18 AMEven if that were true, the response "And said private gun dealers aren't in jail for that becaaaaaaaauuuuuse....?"

What's perverse about it is that it was all started when private gun dealers tipped off the ATF about the suspicious purchases.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 22, 2012, 09:34:15 PM
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fuck I wish I was dead on some days: I don't refer to the reporter himself (as much as a yippie that he is), but to the Brit he's talking to.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 24, 2012, 08:13:28 AM
Saw this stupidity (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2091331/pg1) posted on Facebook.

The whole thread is silly, but one comment really irked me.

QuoteAdam was innocent. He was framed. The thugs smashed his computers that likely contained information the incriminated people who did not want to be incriminated. Your 'leads' are silly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 24, 2012, 03:43:05 PM
Quote from: D on December 24, 2012, 08:13:28 AM
Saw this stupidity (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2091331/pg1) posted on Facebook.

The whole thread is silly, but one comment really irked me.

so who did it? Alien shape-shifting reptilians? the illuminati? Obama (granted, he's a scumbag, but still)?

and just because the news misreported things (which is common), doesn't mean the general conclusions are wrong (though it often is).

people like him can't be for real....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 26, 2012, 12:15:52 AM
Ok is people using the Term "gun deaths" when it comes to homicide rates, considered cherry picking?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 26, 2012, 09:16:53 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 26, 2012, 12:15:52 AM
Ok is people using the Term "gun deaths" when it comes to homicide rates, considered cherry picking?

Yeah because they like to use it to defend gun laws and avoid the uncomfortable truth about them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 26, 2012, 03:25:33 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on December 26, 2012, 09:16:53 AM
Yeah because they like to use it to defend gun laws and avoid the uncomfortable truth about them.

True, used a Brazil as a place that has less guns than the US but has a higher homicide rate.

"There's probably less gun deaths."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 26, 2012, 06:30:35 PM
yeah, that's what I was wondering about that video I posted earlier: I was wondering if the papers actually talked about total homicide, or just gun violence, since I can't get a hold of the sources.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 27, 2012, 12:09:54 AM
QuoteYou are saying that money itself has no inherent properties, that it is the misuse of money which creates problems. At first glance these seems reasonable enough, but with deeper insight it is clearly false.

Monetary economics distorts the value of material things by connecting the tangible value of those material things to human desires. Since human desires are fickle, and can be so easily manipulated (social psychology 101), monetary economics distorts the value of material things and thereby unbalances the equation of life.

Petroleum is a classic example. The valuation of petroleum is a function of supply and demand. Although the consumption of petroleum functions to unbalance the climate, this reality never enters the equation for determining the value of a litre of gasoline. The money sequence of value, therefore, bears no correspondence with the life sequence of value, and as such the very basis of monetary economics is in fact erred.

While a keyboard functions only to interpret user input, monetary economics functions to decouple the valuation of material things from their real, objective, tangible worth. Inasmuch as this is true, your analogy is false, and money is right regarded is a feature of a social pathology.

A more apt analogy be would be: "If money causes problems, then depression causes suicide."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 27, 2012, 02:26:32 AM
why is it people assume that money's value is entirely subjective?


and what of this?

QuotePetroleum is a classic example. The valuation of petroleum is a function of supply and demand. Although the consumption of petroleum functions to unbalance the climate, this reality never enters the equation for determining the value of a litre of gasoline. The money sequence of value, therefore, bears no correspondence with the life sequence of value, and as such the very basis of monetary economics is in fact erred.

yes, it does reflect the fact that it's causing pollution: doesn't this idiot think of the technicians working on making the petrol burn more efficiently (saving money at the pump, lowering maintenance costs, and reducing pollution)*? or the fees and regulations imposed on the oil and its products, ranging from extraction to refinement to consumption--all (ostensibly) meant to reduce pollution?

most of the former (the research) often comes from consumer demands and concerns--much of which happens to be legitimate (effects of high gas prices, inefficient burning, and yes, concerns about pollution). much of the latter is exploitation and exaggeration of these concerns as an excuse to grab hold of more power for govco, but either way, the fact that burning gas causes pollution, does incur a cost, no matter how seemingly insignificant it may be.


*a lot of the products of course have additives to help the gas do so: not just Octane, but other interesting chemicals (not that you need Octane for most vehicles, but I'm digressing here).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 27, 2012, 06:49:13 PM
On Yahoo Answers

QuoteDo you think Michelle should run for President, so that Barack can still govern unofficially for a third term?
She could appoint him Secretary of State, or could he run as Vice-President? Most of us can't imagine running the country without Barack Obama, considering the mess that was left by the previous President.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 27, 2012, 07:33:47 PM
Well, if we're going to talk fail quotes, I think we found the king of fail.

A Communism FAQ (http://pastebin.com/q1XRgyZM)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on December 29, 2012, 02:27:06 PM
From Bloomberg: American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015 (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exceed-traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html). And before I even started reading, I noticed this little spin:

(http://www.bloomberg.com/image/i3cs6F7hTHkc.jpg)

Notice the long-term trends. It's sad when your fail gets picked up before you say a single word.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 29, 2012, 06:18:11 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on December 29, 2012, 02:27:06 PM
From Bloomberg: American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015 (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exceed-traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html). And before I even started reading, I noticed this little spin:

(http://www.bloomberg.com/image/i3cs6F7hTHkc.jpg)

Notice the long-term trends. It's sad when your fail gets picked up before you say a single word.

well, if you know jack about statistics, yes, you can spot it. Sadly, most people won't get that part.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 29, 2012, 08:38:40 PM
From a guy on my message boards.



QuoteI'm getting so fucking tired of this holier than thou bullshit from libertarians. It's laughable.

I'm sorry, holier-then-thou? Which of us is claiming that we know what to do with others money better then they do? Which of us is claiming that our ideas are so right that they need to eb enforced at the barrel of a gun?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 30, 2012, 10:06:10 AM
By Time Magazine's (http://ideas.time.com/2012/12/24/why-is-congress-protecting-the-gun-industry/) logic, we should sue breweries and car manufacturers whenever someone drives drunk.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 30, 2012, 11:39:45 PM
http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=72793

There's just too much fail to confine ot a single post. Look at anything posted by Temerite. do respnd to yoru favorites.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 31, 2012, 11:12:22 AM
Quote from: tnu on December 30, 2012, 11:39:45 PM
http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=72793

There's just too much fail to confine ot a single post. Look at anything posted by Temerite. do respnd to yoru favorites.

Actually, no.  He's pretty sane about drug prohibition.  He's also a violent, thieving, racist putz, but I've never heard of a liberal who wasn't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 31, 2012, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on December 31, 2012, 11:12:22 AM
Actually, no.  He's pretty sane about drug prohibition.  He's also a violent, thieving, racist putz, but I've never heard of a liberal who wasn't.

Racist? that one I havn't noticed. This quote is my favorite.

QuoteFreedom from coercion is not a basic human right.


Ugh he's still at it. I don't even know how tor espond to this.


QuoteJust because states have done bad things doesn't mean they are inherently evil, inherently morally wrong, or that they shouldn't exist.

I would extend your logic to businesses and capitalists who have ruined thousands of lives, put countless people into debt for their duration of their lives, extorted people through monopolization and manipulation of markets for personal gain. Therefore businesses should not exist. (Notice I'm completely ignoring the benefits businesses and markets have brought just as you have ignored the tremendous benefits of government).


Hey guys. How does this sound in response? for reference. His stuff in bold mine in plain text.


Just because states have done bad things doesn't mean they are inherently evil, inherently morally wrong, or that they shouldn't exist.

They also did these thigns without consequence and with money extorted form the people without their consent.

I would extend your logic to businesses and capitalists who have ruined thousands of lives, put countless people into debt for their duration of their lives,

Stop conflating capitalism with mercantilism. what business has ever been able to  to extort money without backing form a state? (Corporations and LLC's of any kind are automatically because, being legal entities, they are naturally established and protected by the state.)

extorted people through monopolization and manipulation of markets for personal gain.


How are they able to do this without a state? Monopolies are literally unsustainable  unless they are backed by force. Predatory pricing, collusion and buyng out the competition do not work without some sort of state involvement. How do they manipulate markets without being backed by a state?


Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 31, 2012, 03:55:28 PM
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/30/16254404-kansas-demands-that-sperm-donor-pay-child-support

This is insane.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 01, 2013, 02:05:16 AM
Wow this really has to be taken in to context. for refrence my friend is in green and the fail is in red. I'm in blue.

This is true, but if you do not pay your taxes, the authorities will drag you off to spend a great deal of time in a location where you are likely to be raped. You cannot leave, have no weapons to defend yourself, and if you complain, you will probably not be pitied but rather mocked for your misfortune.


I don't think you can call it that [misfortune] when you are deliberately choosing such a future for yourself.

Maybe mocked for your horrible life choices would be a better way to put it?


"HOw are you choosing such a future exactly?"

By repeatedly refusing to pay taxes knowing full well what the consequence is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on January 01, 2013, 06:53:08 AM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/23760_10150992174817325_1873732893_n.jpg)

My response was "Thanks for admitting that your knowledge of Economics is based entirely on televised fiction.".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 01, 2013, 11:01:43 PM
QuoteMkay, you have fun with that

I hate when people use this to disregard an argument.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 01, 2013, 11:29:05 PM
The Pope (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/01/pope-slams-capitalism-ine_n_2392653.html) and youtube statheists now have something in common.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 02, 2013, 12:15:54 AM
Quote from: D on January 01, 2013, 11:29:05 PM
The Pope (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/01/pope-slams-capitalism-ine_n_2392653.html) and youtube statheists now have something in common.

does that mean the Statheists might be secret Catholics?  :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 02, 2013, 12:31:18 PM
Gun control nut on Linkedin, after being shown statistics that gun control doesn't work: "When someone has a gun pointed at your forehead, and is nervously saying "get down" or "give me what's in your wallet" or "I'm gonna kill your wife/girlfriend/children", then statistics don't really matter, do they?"

If it weren't for bad arguments, they'd have no arguments at all!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 02, 2013, 03:45:50 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 02, 2013, 12:31:18 PM
Gun control nut on Linkedin, after being shown statistics that gun control doesn't work: "When someone has a gun pointed at your forehead, and is nervously saying "get down" or "give me what's in your wallet" or "I'm gonna kill your wife/girlfriend/children", then statistics don't really matter, do they?"

If it weren't for bad arguments, they'd have no arguments at all!


well, as a matter of fact, I did. Only it wasn't a robber or criminal: it was a police officer. So what's his point? should we also ban guns for the police?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 02, 2013, 09:50:16 PM
Temerit is still at it. I found myself babbling incoherently to myself completely dumbfounded by his logic. My stuff in blue and his in red.

If I did not initiate force against them in any way but refused to do what they wanted me to do they would not attack me?

You initiated force by refusing to pay your share of taxes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 02, 2013, 11:26:51 PM
Quote from: tnu on January 02, 2013, 09:50:16 PM
Temerit is still at it. I found myself babbling incoherently to myself completely dumbfounded by his logic. My stuff in blue and his in red.You initiated force by refusing to pay your share of taxes.

huh?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on January 03, 2013, 02:29:09 PM
Just saw Pelosi's speech at the new congress inauguration today. She mentioned God so many times I thought she was going to cap the speech by sacrificing a goat to Yahweh. Most televangelists mention God less. Will post when I find it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on January 04, 2013, 07:07:09 AM
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QuoteIts a logical fallacy...
You said that already.
How would someone have raised the capital in 1955 to launch the first space mission knowing that there would be little to no return for the next 60 years?
The U.S government cancelled an 80 billion dollar particle accelerator project in the early to mid 90's in favor of tax cuts. How much of those tax cuts were invested in basic science?
Show me some evidence that your ideas will work? An investment model maybe some empirical data perhaps.

QuoteNewton was employed by the state. Further Newton , as great as he was didn't require a billion dollar LHC. There is no private hadron collider. Ever wonder why?
Read Adam Smith because he clearly defended the state and the idea of property rights. Rothbard is a joke that no developed nation takes seriously!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 04, 2013, 10:32:32 AM
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Looks like Pooka is in need of some remedial education.  I'd continue myself, but he seems to have decided that anyone who tries to correct him on anything is a sock account.  He's also decided that reality consists of 'talking points' rather than the real world.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 04, 2013, 02:19:20 PM
More bullshit from baby killers.

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/546447_484848698225517_9610424_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 04, 2013, 02:38:20 PM
Quote from: D on January 04, 2013, 02:19:20 PM
More bullshit from baby killers.

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/546447_484848698225517_9610424_n.jpg)

The sad part is, the first one is based on a kernel of truth: our government used a fake vaccination program in their search for Osama bin Laden. As a result, workers providing free polio vaccines in Pakistan are being targeted and murdered. Really makes me want to go to Washington and kick somebody's ass.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 04, 2013, 03:54:03 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 04, 2013, 02:38:20 PM
Really makes me want to go to Washington and kick somebody's ass.


let's all meet and sack the town. the government had it coming.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 04, 2013, 04:19:07 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 04, 2013, 03:54:03 PM

let's all meet and sack the town. the government had it coming.

Bring some Brits or Canadians.  We've done that before.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 05, 2013, 09:33:50 AM
ABC's economics department is run by chimps. I'm sure of it. Throwing broken window fallacies (saying Sandy created both construction and auto industry jobs) and neglecting to mention that Christmas is notorious for only having temporary job growth.

[yt]o0UoHe_uCzs[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 05, 2013, 04:09:43 PM
I wonder if she would be so quick to say the same thing about rape?

(http://i49.tinypic.com/faq8ah.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 05, 2013, 10:02:17 PM
is capitalism with coercion in the market, still capitalism?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 05, 2013, 10:17:34 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 05, 2013, 10:02:17 PM
is capitalism with coercion in the market, still capitalism?

Nope. That's cronyism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 05, 2013, 10:24:25 PM
Quote from: D on January 05, 2013, 10:17:34 PM
Nope. That's cronyism.

I don't know. I don't quite bite the "Capitalism = free markets" thing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 05, 2013, 10:36:24 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 05, 2013, 10:24:25 PM
I don't know. I don't quite bite the "Capitalism = free markets" thing.

That's what capitalism means. Capitalism is voluntary exchange without the involvement of coercion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 05, 2013, 10:47:42 PM
Quote from: D on January 05, 2013, 10:36:24 PM
That's what capitalism means. Capitalism is voluntary exchange without the involvement of coercion.
So a group that practices "socialism" but doesn't force people are "capitalist"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 06, 2013, 08:56:33 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 05, 2013, 10:47:42 PM
So a group that practices "socialism" but doesn't force people are "capitalist"

So long as the exchange is voluntary, then yes. Socialism as an economic philosophy requires force, however should a bunch of people decide to voluntarily get together and share goods among each other, that's still perfectly in line with capitalism, because there is still a means of exchange that is voluntary. Once force is involved, it no longer becomes capitalism, and then that group becomes socialism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 06, 2013, 09:39:50 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 05, 2013, 10:47:42 PM
So a group that practices "socialism" but doesn't force people are "capitalist"

Exactly. Socialism - force = capitalism. Communism - force = capitalism. People can set up their little socialist or communist systems in a capitalist system all they want, as long as all participants are willing volunteers. Of course, they'd end up having to compete with all the capitalists out there...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 06, 2013, 09:53:49 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 06, 2013, 09:39:50 AM
Exactly. Socialism - force = capitalism. Communism - force = capitalism. People can set up their little socialist or communist systems in a capitalist system all they want, as long as all participants are willing volunteers. Of course, they'd end up having to compete with all the capitalists out there...

This. As long as they are voluntary, they're perfectly fine. Whether or not they would actually succeed is another question entirely.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 06, 2013, 06:54:40 PM
[yt]ApozFPboUAQ[/yt]

Did I just hear Thunderf00t say that youtube channels and twitter accounts aren't private property? Yep, I did hear him say that.

That's the only thing I heard that I would consider fail. Haven't watched the whole video, but that bit alone was worth a mention here. There could be more fail though for all I know, considering who it is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 06, 2013, 07:05:16 PM
Quote from: D on January 06, 2013, 06:54:40 PM
[yt]ApozFPboUAQ[/yt]

Did I just hear Thunderf00t say that youtube channels and twitter accounts aren't private property? Yep, I did hear him say that.

That's the only thing I heard that I would consider fail. Haven't watched the whole video, but that bit alone was worth a mention here. There could be more fail though for all I know, considering who it is.

Sounded to me like he had a point with most of this. And even with the comment/ratings thing, aside from the fail that they aren't private property, he does have a point about the kind of person who would disable them as not being someone involved in the marketplace of ideas. We've seen that a lot, with woos like creationists as well as statists who are too afraid of hearing evidence that they're wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 06, 2013, 07:09:28 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 06, 2013, 07:05:16 PM
Sounded to me like he had a point with most of this. And even with the comment/ratings thing, aside from the fail that they aren't private property, he does have a point about the kind of person who would disable them as not being someone involved in the marketplace of ideas. We've seen that a lot, with woos like creationists as well as statists who are too afraid of hearing evidence that they're wrong.

A much better expression of the same sentiment: http://skepticink.com/skepticallyleft/2013/01/06/freeze-peach-formerly-known-as-free-speech/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 07, 2013, 01:37:52 PM
I'm probably wrong, but there has to be something wrong with this guy's numbers.

QuoteGun deaths by homicide, suicide or accident peaked at 37,666 in 1993 before declining to a low of 28,393 in 2000, the data show. Since then the total has risen to 31,328 in 2010, an increase of 2,935, or eight more victims a day. 323? get real

323 refers to rifles
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 08, 2013, 08:53:30 AM
Obligatory:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 08, 2013, 02:15:14 PM
Quote from: D on January 08, 2013, 08:53:30 AM
Obligatory:
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at this point, I'm not sure who I should be rooting for: the conspiritard madman who wants gun rights, or the British dude whose own country doesn't want him back?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 08, 2013, 02:40:54 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 08, 2013, 02:15:14 PM
at this point, I'm not sure who I should be rooting for: the conspiritard madman who wants gun rights, or the British dude whose own country doesn't want him back?

Bringing the two of them in close proximity threatens to form a singularity of astounding fail resulting in a thermobogosear explosion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 08, 2013, 09:07:05 PM
And now we bring in flat out lying about gun control laws:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 09, 2013, 10:38:31 AM
Talk about cheap shots Morgan!  Maybe we should interview Fred Phelps as the official speaker of religion.  Let's see how you'd like that!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 09, 2013, 11:26:06 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 09, 2013, 10:38:31 AM
Talk about cheap shots Morgan!  Maybe we should interview Fred Phelps as the official speaker of religion.  Let's see how you'd like that!

The biggest fail was when he said that second amendment advocates were too scared to debate him, when some of them tried and he just kept shouting over them without letting them answer.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 09, 2013, 02:22:13 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 09, 2013, 11:26:06 AM
The biggest fail was when he said that second amendment advocates were too scared to debate him, when some of them tried and he just kept shouting over them without letting them answer.

Next thing you know, he'll offer a quarter million dollars to whoever proves him wrong. *end sarcasm*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 10, 2013, 08:30:00 PM
This (http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2013/jan/10/should-obama-use-executive-orders-enact-gun-contro/).

QuoteCertain Second Amendment fundamentalists chose to make a big deal out of Biden's remark. More than a few seem to believe that if Obama were to go through with the orders, America would be placed under totalitarian rule.

This should bolster the argument that some people really will believe anything.

In reality, executive orders are quite limited in scope. The Supreme Court ruled decades ago that they cannot exceed Constitutional authority or stand in violation of any legislation passed by Congress. So, the folks who believe that the federal government is about to come for their legally owned guns need not worry.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 10, 2013, 09:29:06 PM
QuoteCertain Second Amendment fundamentalists chose to make a big deal out of Biden's remark. More than a few seem to believe that if Obama were to go through with the orders, America would be placed under totalitarian rule.

I thought we were already.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 10, 2013, 10:22:08 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 10, 2013, 09:29:06 PM
I thought we were already.

The statist implies that we aren't and that we're perfectly free.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 10, 2013, 11:03:18 PM
Quote from: D on January 10, 2013, 10:22:08 PM
The statist implies that we aren't and that we're perfectly free.

yeah, we have the perfect freedom to choose whichever way government can fuck us.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 10, 2013, 11:39:26 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 10, 2013, 11:03:18 PM
yeah, we have the perfect freedom to choose whichever way government can fuck us.

Ya, which way do you want it?
Skull fuck or no lube anal.


  :-\ What the fuck is wrong with me?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 11, 2013, 10:13:10 AM
Quote from: D on January 10, 2013, 10:22:08 PM
The statist implies that we aren't and that we're perfectly free.

I had one the other day insist that medical care in the US is STILL a completely free market right now.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 11, 2013, 10:52:21 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on January 11, 2013, 10:13:10 AM
I had one the other day insist that medical care in the US is STILL a completely free market right now.

Funny thing is I was just listening to Stefan Molyneux debuk this very claim.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 11, 2013, 04:03:55 PM
Fail on so, so many levels:

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/303564_470205133015171_1765910523_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 11, 2013, 04:35:01 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 11, 2013, 04:03:55 PM
Fail on so, so many levels:

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/303564_470205133015171_1765910523_n.jpg)

Yeah...that's going to need to be edited.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 11, 2013, 04:58:50 PM
Quote from: D on January 11, 2013, 04:35:01 PM
Yeah...that's going to need to be edited.

Something like:

A corporation laid me off (because fiscal and monetary policies crashed the economy)

A corporation took my house (because government generated a housing bubble)

Corporate cash is corrupting democracy (because government has the power to grant favors)

A corporation denied my claim (because government protectionism makes it impossible to compete with insurance companies)

Corporations track my every move (because they're in bed with government that sets up red light cameras etc.)

I hate the @#$!! government (because all these problems originate with government protectionism, and I know government created corporations to begin with)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 11, 2013, 11:02:13 PM
From the Facebook page "Shit Statists Say:"
Quote(Wrinkle) Atheism and Statism are also two peas in a pod. There have been more Statist Atheists than Statist Theists.

What a blatant lie.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 11, 2013, 11:28:11 PM
Quote from: D on January 11, 2013, 11:02:13 PM
From the Facebook page "Shit Statists Say:"
What a blatant lie.


How do you ignore 10, 000 years of history?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 11, 2013, 11:29:47 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 11, 2013, 11:28:11 PM

How do you ignore 10, 000 years of history?

Hell, even without history, let's look into the Bible itself:

Romans 13: 1-7
"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 11, 2013, 11:36:50 PM
tell me about it...

I was going to cite the whole hyper Statist beliefs of Ancient Egypt, where Pharaoh was literally a god on Earth, who could commune with the other gods to bring in the good times, and had the right to control every aspect of everything people did in Egypt, but D beat me to it.

Or what the Hittites believed (that while the Monarch was not absolute, people were still bound by oath to obey his commands under the penalty of being struck by lightening, courtesy of the storm god, and where the laws that were passed literally went so far as to govern how much a person may or may not work.

And of course, we all know the Qin Empire was founded on Libertarian philosophies... *sarcasm*

I could go on, and discuss how people of almost every religious and philosophical persuasion believed in the divine right of Kings and associated absolutist shit, to one degree or another. Like they did in the Middle ages in Europe, or with the Umayyads and Abbasids in the Arab world, who held that because they were related to Muhammad (especially Abbasids, who descended from the Prophet's uncle), had the divine right to be Caliphs, and everyone who disagreed was relieved of his head, and were known to force/bribe/put words in mouths of people to make up hadiths to support their bullshit. And I can go on and on about the sheer number of Statists who had or hold religious views to this day.

so yeah, there are more statist theists than atheists. of course, it helps there are more of them, but the point is, religion doesn't necessarily make people less statist: often, it can make ppl more so--especially if you spin it right.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 13, 2013, 10:32:18 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20186_6-ridiculous-myths-about-middle-ages-everyone-believes_p2.html 

Haven't got time to go into details atm but I'm smelling a LOT of BS in this one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 13, 2013, 11:58:01 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 13, 2013, 10:32:18 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20186_6-ridiculous-myths-about-middle-ages-everyone-believes_p2.html 

Haven't got time to go into details atm but I'm smelling a LOT of BS in this one.

There's some correct stuff, but some BS as well. The flat Earth thing is a complete strawman, and although the monks did a lot for the preservation of knowledge, they had to do so in secret because it wasn't allowed by the church.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 13, 2013, 03:46:12 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 13, 2013, 10:32:18 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20186_6-ridiculous-myths-about-middle-ages-everyone-believes_p2.html 

Haven't got time to go into details atm but I'm smelling a LOT of BS in this one.

well, I'll break it down:

6. He's largely right, albeit simplified: One thing for example, is that while autopsies and dissections were acceptable back then, it was only to be performed in certain circumstances:dissections were only done on those the Church denied a Christian burial to, and Autopsies were largely if the death was suspicious or mysterious. Also, while the Catholic Church's attitude to science in the Dark and Middle ages can be described as conflicted at best, hostile at most, most of the stories you hear about repression of knowledge are from the counter-reformation (e.g. Galileo and Bruno's cases), or late antiquity (closing down the Academy in Athens), not the middle ages. Doesn't mean it didn't happen--It did, but generally, and it shouldn't come as a shock, they only really ramped it up when the Church's political and financial power was directly threatened. tells you something about their principles (or lack thereof)

5. He's perfectly correct actually: while Hygenic standards weren't as stringent as today (or medieval Near Eastern standards), they certainly bathed a lot--and communally (I can't vouch for their shaving though XD). Arabs in the Levant and Iraq still do it in some towns. Both inherited this from Roman practice: Arabs started doing it in the Umayyad period. Germans even did it, to look Roman (i.e. to look cool)

4. Yeah, he's right (obviously). The baby eating was at Ma'arra. It's worth pointing out that Urban II's intention was to strengthen the Catholic church's influence in the East, and in Europe itself, at the expense of the Orthodox Church (this is in the aftermath of the Great schism of 1054): he saw the Byzantine Emperor's calls for help as an opportunity, after they made the stupid twin errors of breaking a peace treaty, and doing so with Alp Arslan.....

3. yeah, people in general were probably uninhibited: adultery, orgies, prostitution, all that shit did happen (Saladin's secretary made fun of them for it: to be "fair", they were kicked out when things got ugly as penance, but apparently it didn't work :P). The Church condemned sex for pleasure (some even condemned all sex), but they couldn't really force their will on people who weren't retarded enough to deprive themselves of natural urges. Heck, they couldn't even force their will on the staff: Monks were often caught going to Brothels, and it wasn't unusual for Nuns go find some sex outside the walls of their cloisters. So the Church basically joined it: the resulting hypocrisy and corruption was one thing Martin Luther Bitched about. Interestingly, Priests were allowed to marry in the Catholic church till the 10th century, when the Church felt that too much money was leaving the Church and going to a lot of new landowning ladies and families.

2. sounds about right, going by what Saladin's secretary had to say (while we're at it, the Europeans said the same thing about Saracen Women). Most of the shit I heard about comes starting in the Renaissance, though the Church's attitude towards women predates even the middle ages (That woman was responsible for the fall, are sin, all that other weird guff). In the Near east, it came earlier--right after the Mongol Invasions in the 1250's, though the Crusades didn't help.

1. Nothing wrong with what he said: there were at least 80 "Holy days" a year, plus Christmas, Easter, and in the Midsummer, and yes, you worked no more than 8 hours a day. Further, the lord had the duty to take care of and protect the peasants in exchange for paying their rent, in sickness and health. And once a person survived their 5th year, you were more like to make it to your 60's or 70's. Things didn't change till the black death, when the relationship between peasant and master changed. doesn't mean life was easy--it certainly wasn't, but it was not exactly brutish...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 13, 2013, 04:32:47 PM
Just posted this in the podcast thread for this week, but may as well post it here. Anytime Krugman opens his mouth, it's full of fail.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 13, 2013, 06:15:53 PM
Prepare for a critical mass of fail: http://huppi.com/kangaroo/GOVERNMENT_SUCCESS_STORIES.htm

Someone actually posted this to my YouTube channel as something that PROVES Libertarianism is wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on January 13, 2013, 06:56:31 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 13, 2013, 06:15:53 PM
Prepare for a critical mass of fail: http://huppi.com/kangaroo/GOVERNMENT_SUCCESS_STORIES.htm

Someone actually posted this to my YouTube channel as something that PROVES Libertarianism is wrong.

Notice the complete lack of sources on that "GOVERNMENT SUCCESS STORIES" page.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 13, 2013, 09:04:41 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 13, 2013, 06:15:53 PM
Prepare for a critical mass of fail: http://huppi.com/kangaroo/GOVERNMENT_SUCCESS_STORIES.htm

Someone actually posted this to my YouTube channel as something that PROVES Libertarianism is wrong.

Under the "Free market failures" The media and monoplies parts made me laugh.
Ya, because the media is free market. Oh, that's right. The FCC!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 13, 2013, 10:25:10 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 13, 2013, 06:15:53 PM
Prepare for a critical mass of fail: http://huppi.com/kangaroo/GOVERNMENT_SUCCESS_STORIES.htm

Someone actually posted this to my YouTube channel as something that PROVES Libertarianism is wrong.

One of the "Government Success Stories" is the Pony Express...which was a private enterprise that went out of business when the US Postal Service came in thanks to heavily subsidized railways.

His "Free Market Failures" are filled with things caused by governments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 13, 2013, 10:49:03 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on January 13, 2013, 10:25:10 PM
One of the "Government Success Stories" is the Pony Express...which was a private enterprise that went out of business when the US Postal Service came in thanks to heavily subsidized railways.

And was bought by Western Union, which was able to outcompete the post office despite having to pay the post office postage for every letter they delivered.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 14, 2013, 07:52:05 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 13, 2013, 10:49:03 PM
And was bought by Western Union, which was able to outcompete the post office despite having to pay the post office postage for every letter they delivered.

I suppose that shouldn't be surprising (both the requirement to pay the post office or out competing it anyway).

Here in Canada, our government protects us from price gouging by courier companies by requiring them to charge a minimum several times what the post office does for the same item.

All you have to do to out-compete an agency as inflexible as a public postal service is offer something they don't.  In Canada, that's as simple as delivering to all addresses (it's been decades since Canada Post stopped even pretending to do that).  Not having home postal delivery has been recognized as reducing property values due to the inconvenience (it's pretty irritating for me, and I'm right next door to the post office where my postal box is).

Western Union did, as I recall, two things that the post office didn't bother competing in:  Speed and handling money.  Western Union's original main business was telegrams, so instead of taking at least several says to get a message across the country, it would usually reach the recipient within a few hours.  You could also wire transfer money, with similar speed.  When telephones started coming in, they ended up with being mostly about money transfers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 14, 2013, 08:15:50 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on January 14, 2013, 07:52:05 AMHere in Canada, our government protects us from price gouging by courier companies by requiring them to charge a minimum several times what the post office does for the same item.

That's what ended up happening here; you can't deliver mail for anything less than (I think) $3.

QuoteAll you have to do to out-compete an agency as inflexible as a public postal service is offer something they don't.

Or even just provide the service better. UPS and FedEx constantly do better than the USPS at parcel delivery, even though it's generally more expensive to go through them because they don't have a first class mail monopoly to subsidize it. But they offer better package tracking, free $100 insurance with every package, and other features that make them more desirable than the USPS.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 14, 2013, 08:36:15 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 14, 2013, 08:15:50 AM
Or even just provide the service better. UPS and FedEx constantly do better than the USPS at parcel delivery, even though it's generally more expensive to go through them because they don't have a first class mail monopoly to subsidize it. But they offer better package tracking, free $100 insurance with every package, and other features that make them more desirable than the USPS.

Just being able to accurately track where the package is is all it takes.  I've been on the other side of this, and for calming down the irate customer who wants to know where their delivery is there's nothing like pulling it up and telling them.   Now, if only it hadn't been necessary for one of my employers to drop one of their national freight carriers due to persistent high rates of 'loss'...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 14, 2013, 05:38:45 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 13, 2013, 06:15:53 PM
Prepare for a critical mass of fail: http://huppi.com/kangaroo/GOVERNMENT_SUCCESS_STORIES.htm

Someone actually posted this to my YouTube channel as something that PROVES Libertarianism is wrong.

Wow, they are full on lying about what happened at Love Canal.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 14, 2013, 06:02:01 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 14, 2013, 05:38:45 PM
Wow, they are full on lying about what happened at Love Canal.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!

Interesting how he acknowledges what really happened, then claims it isn't actually true?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 14, 2013, 08:22:18 PM
Oh god. Temerit is at it again. He's fond of the "you want civilians ot ahve nukes" argument for gun control so I decdi3ed to ask him why not go the other way and ban the weapons from use by the police and military as well I get this.


QuoteBecause the only point of doing so would be to conform to libertarian ideology, an ideology that is rejected by the vast majority of American citizens, especially those who are educated.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 14, 2013, 08:42:51 PM
Quote from: tnu on January 14, 2013, 08:22:18 PMOh god. Temerit is at it again. He's fond of the "you want civilians ot ahve nukes" argument for gun control

Just lay a little Rothbard on him:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard26.html

Quote from: Murray Rothbard, "War, Peace, and the State"It has often been maintained, and especially by conservatives, that the development of the horrendous modern weapons of mass murder (nuclear weapons, rockets, germ warfare, etc.) is only a difference of degree rather than kind from the simpler weapons of an earlier era. Of course, one answer to this is that when the degree is the number of human lives, the difference is a very big one. But another answer that the libertarian is particularly equipped to give is that while the bow and arrow and even the rifle can be pinpointed, if the will be there, against actual criminals, modern nuclear weapons cannot. Here is a crucial difference in kind. Of course, the bow and arrow could be used for aggressive purposes, but it could also be pinpointed to use only against aggressors. Nuclear weapons, even "conventional" aerial bombs, cannot be. These weapons are ipso facto engines of indiscriminate mass destruction. (The only exception would be the extremely rare case where a mass of people who were all criminals inhabited a vast geographical area.) We must, therefore, conclude that the use of nuclear or similar weapons, or the threat thereof, is a sin and a crime against humanity for which there can be no justification.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 14, 2013, 09:19:27 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 14, 2013, 08:42:51 PM
Just lay a little Rothbard on him:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard26.html

Just don't use that as a reason to get rid of ALL the nukes and the capacity to produce them at a low speed.  If we get a Keyhole event, we're likely to need a few.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 14, 2013, 09:44:28 PM
Wow Temerit really came up with a doozy here. I have to warn you, the level of fail in this quote may be hazardous to your health.


QuoteSimply because law enforcement uses threat of detention to ensure compliance does not make government an inherently violent entity.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 15, 2013, 12:36:29 AM
QuoteSimply because law enforcement uses threat of detention to ensure compliance does not make government an inherently violent entity.

ask him how threatening people with certain punishment (often violent), in the event of failure of compliance, is not evidence of violence inherent to people who do that. So the robber threatening to shoot a person if they don't hand over the goods is violence, yet doing the same (or worse) to a person by government isn't?

EDIT: much better.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 15, 2013, 01:26:31 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 15, 2013, 12:36:29 AM
ask him how threatening people with certain punishment (often violent), in the event of failure of compliance, is not evidence of violence inherent to people who do that. So the robber threatening to shoot a person if they don't hand over the goods isn't violence, yet doing the same (or worse) to a person by government isn't?

I asked essentially that question, and got a response claiming that asking the question indicated delusional paranoia.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 15, 2013, 01:27:10 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 15, 2013, 12:36:29 AM
ask him how threatening people with certain punishment (often violent), in the event of failure of compliance, is not evidence of violence inherent to people who do that. So the robber threatening to shoot a person if they don't hand over the goods isn't violence, yet doing the same (or worse) to a person by government isn't?

You know, I have never gotten an answer to that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 15, 2013, 02:04:17 AM
QuoteWhat about democracy necessitates that it be akin to mob rule?


I can't stop laughing at this oen for soem reaosn. It's just so...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 15, 2013, 02:28:20 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on January 15, 2013, 01:26:31 AM
I asked essentially that question, and got a response claiming that asking the question indicated delusional paranoia.

How's it paranoia? does he even know what Paranoia is? you and I are simply asking how the logic is consistent: we (and I assume he) Know what government does when you disobey, as we do what robbers and thugs do when you disobey them. How are they different? if he can answer that question, I'm all ears, but until then, he's ducking the issue. like a coward does.

EDIT: shit! I made a mistake with my question earlier. will fix it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 15, 2013, 07:05:49 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 15, 2013, 02:28:20 AM
How's it paranoia? does he even know what Paranoia is? you and I are simply asking how the logic is consistent: we (and I assume he) Know what government does when you disobey, as we do what robbers and thugs do when you disobey them. How are they different? if he can answer that question, I'm all ears, but until then, he's ducking the issue. like a coward does.

EDIT: shit! I made a mistake with my question earlier. will fix it.

Ah, well ,you see, he seemed to consider it inconceivable that there had been any threat made (against him) in the event of non-compliance because he couldn't conceive of anyone who wasn't a "paranoid right-winger" not complying with what he decided to call "lawful demands".  I then asked him if he had the slightest idea what he'd actually said, and he never answered that question at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 15, 2013, 08:30:10 PM
just had a liberal tell me that there where 300 mass shooting in the past ten years.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 15, 2013, 10:30:15 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 15, 2013, 08:30:10 PM
just had a liberal tell me that there where 300 mass shooting in the past ten years.

Maybe world-wide, with about 295 carried out by soldiers under the orders of their commanders.

Or, they might be using a definition of 'mass shooting' that would make even Piers Morgan pause before using it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 16, 2013, 12:22:58 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on January 15, 2013, 10:30:15 PM
Maybe world-wide, with about 295 carried out by soldiers under the orders of their commanders.

Or, they might be using a definition of 'mass shooting' that would make even Piers Morgan pause before using it.

This guy meant the US.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 16, 2013, 07:07:20 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 16, 2013, 12:22:58 AM
This guy meant the US.

Is he including cops raiding the wrong home?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 16, 2013, 09:13:41 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 16, 2013, 07:07:20 AM
Is he including cops raiding the wrong home?

There aren't usually enough people in a single home to qualify for what appears to be the most common definitions of a 'mass shooting' (5 or more victims in a single incident).For most botched raids, that would mean cops shooting each other.  Of course, in SOME departments...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 16, 2013, 02:17:01 PM
I am not kidding. There was this one guy on youtube, his account name is dv wfwefwe. I was debating him on Stefan Molyneux's video Gun Control: History, Philosophy and Ethics He called the NRA murderers while he supported Obama's drone strikes!

Quote"Better to use drones than to send our soldiers into harm's way via open and declared War. Specially when such war (Iraq) was started by Bush/Chenney under false premises, betraying the American people and diminishing our credibility in the World's stage."  dv wfwefwe

He is  arguing that bombing people is not an act of open and declared war. Can you believe it?! So since germany never actually sent troops into Great Britain, and just bombed their cities and civilians, it is not an act of open and declared war?! I should also mention technically the war in iraq started with Clinton with the sanctions, that killed and estimated 200,000-500,000 children and the bombings in 1998. And those drone strikes he supports have killed 881 innocent civilians including 176 children. That is way more than Adam Lanza's body count. Can anyone see the hypocrisy here?

This comment of his said everything I needed to know about him. A lot of these "gun control" advocates are actually pro violence as long as the state does did and not themselves.

Special pleading, cowardly, murderous snakes. Fitting definition, no?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 16, 2013, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on January 16, 2013, 02:17:01 PMHe called the NRA murderers while he supported Obama's drone strikes!

Yeah, there are a lot of those around.

QuoteI should also mention technically the war in iraq started with Clinton with the sanctions, that killed and estimated 200,000-500,000 children and the bombings in 1998.

Actually, it started earlier than that with the Persian Gulf War under George H.W. Bush. Even after the war was over, the bombings and sanctions continued until Bush Jr. invaded in 2003.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on January 16, 2013, 10:32:18 PM
I gave Himmelswalker a chance, I really did.

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So as you might expect, the discussion is over gun control. Started off discussing the correlation between a state's political bent and its rate of gun violence (spoiler alert: there is no correlation), and then Himmelswalker puts his two cents in. The discussion goes on longer than I care to quote (a lot of it is just him going in circles), so I'm just going to provide a snippet of Himmelswalker's own words:

Quote from: HimmelswalkerMy argument is that gun restrictions reduce the numbers of dead people extremely. Gun Control can not reduce violence. That the US is an violent place...has to do with the culture of individualism you have.

Quote from: Himmelswalker
Although in Europe the crime rate is higher, the urbanization is stronger, its GDP is lower, social problems are deeper, more criminals are not in prison, it still has far less homicides thanks to gun control.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 17, 2013, 03:01:28 AM
Does he support drone strikes like bozo I mentioned?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 17, 2013, 10:56:02 AM
I just HAD to preserve these comments from a Facebook conversation on gun control (names NOT changed because no one is innocent):

(Incidentally, the start of this thread was this link posted by David Gorski, which is also full of fail: http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/))

Quote from: Andrew E. MathisI think there's a big difference between the claim of trying to systemically disarm citizens as a way of violating their rights, which is what is being claim by those people who are currently invoking Hitler, and what Hitler actually did, which is systematically deprive one particular group of its rights...

Okay, so apparently, gun control doesn't count as gun control when it's only used against the Jews. (And just so everyone knows, Hitler only ended restrictions on gun ownership for members of the Nazi Party.)

Quote from: Andrew E. Mathis...The measures taken before, during, and after Kristallnacht — and indeed until the invasion of Poland — were designed to encourage Jewish "emigration" and not to set the stage for extermination.

Wow. So Hitler didn't really want to exterminate the Jews, he just wanted them to leave.

Prompting this bit of win:

Quote from: Tim SlagleWell according to Andrew, that wasn't really "the holocaust" it was the: ask-them-politely-to-leave-ocaust.

Resulting in a bit of sadly characteristic bombast from Gorski:

Quote from: David H. GorskiTim, you really don't know who you're dealing with here. I do. Andrew knows so much more about the Holocaust than you or Shame that I look forward to Andrew toying with you and your revisionist history.

Remember that: WE'RE the revisionists.

So then I point out:

Quote from: Shane KillianWhy did the Nazis never invade Switzerland? And don't give me that crap about the banks; the Nazis would have CONTROLLED the banks if they'd taken the country (and stopped the allies using the banks too, which they were). They could also have stopped the allies using Swiss roads to move machinery and troops around. And don't give me that crap about it being mountainous, either; there are LOTS of mountains in that area of Europe and it didn't stop them in other countries. Come on, what's the reason? We all know what it is, might as well admit it.

Which garnered this reply:

Quote from: David H. GorskiAh, another canard! How fun. Actually, it was a number of reasons, not the least of which is indeed that invading would not have made much military sense given the mountainous nature of the country and the fact that the Swiss were not viewed as a threat.

Okay, so NOW we have the claim that Hitler didn't invade other countries that weren't a threat to him. What was that about revisionists again?

I then point out the disgusting behavior in the thread, in terms which I think are unnecessarily polite:

Quote from: Shane KillianSo, so far in this thread, it's been argued that:

* Hitler's gun control doesn't count because he only disarmed Jews.
* The Nazis just wanted the Jews to leave, not be exterminated.
* The Nazis left people alone who weren't a threat.

Am I suddenly on a board full of Holocaust deniers???

Resulting in this little exchange:

Quote from: David H. GorskiNo, Shane, you only think you know the reason. You don't. And stop being a jerk.

Quote from: Shane KillianOh, it's "being a jerk" to point out your obvious bias and blind spot? And here I thought ad hominem attacks were something skeptics shouldn't do...

And what does Gorski do, as is so typical of him when he's cornered?

Quote from: David H. GorskiNo, Shame, it's the way you invade threads and call me and my Facebook friends on this thread "Holocaust deniers" that makes you a jerk. Hypocrite.

Wow. Just wow.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, and I'll keep saying it 'til it sinks in: statism poisons the mind just as much as any religion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 17, 2013, 01:33:31 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 17, 2013, 10:56:02 AM(names NOT changed because no one is innocent)

Thank you for that. I've always hated it when people post facebook conversations and cover up the names. If someone says something stupid, they should own up to it and face any criticism or humiliation that comes from it. The people you posted here in fail quotes are definitely among those who should be criticized and humiliated for their stupid comments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 17, 2013, 02:40:27 PM
well, you should have pointed out the following:

1-Hitler invaded lots of countries he did not see as a threat: Greece and Yugoslavia are the most famous examples, as were Denmark, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, and Norway.  Greece and Yogoslavia had no obvious long term (or short term) strategic purposes: these were invaded either because they (physically, not militarily) in the way of actual strategic goals (he wanted a broader front to assail the Allies with in 1940), or to cover Mussolini's incompetent ass.

to be specific:

1-Norway: could be used as staging ground for invasion of Germany. Also had heavy water plants, and direct land access to Sweden's iron.
2-Denmark: with Norway, it becomes vital, as it controls access to the Baltic sea, scuppering an Allied attack plan from that area. And again, Sweden's Iron.
3-Netherlands and Luxembourg: Hitler's generals required a broader front than in 1914, since the Allies already expected an attack from the normal Avenue (Belgium). There were strategic considerations of a long-term nature regarding trade with the UK, but these were minor in Hitler's eyes
4-Greece and Yugoslavia: someone had to cover Mussolini's ass....that one wasn't even remotely necessary, and was in fact seen as an unwelcome eventuality, seeing that it delayed Barbarossa by several crucial weeks.

now the countries Hitler didn't invade:

1-Sweden: Sweden, while remaining Neutral, did keep trade open with Germany, and was in fact willing to continue business exclusively with Germany. No threat, lots of advantage from the Iron trade, so no need to invade.
2-Switzerland: Hitler himself admitted this, but the fact of the matter is, Switzerland was too well defended. Everyone had/has a rifle and excellent military equipment and training, the country is mountainous, and in addition, the Swiss made the decision to turn many of the mountains along major routes into forts, with which to shell and shoot at Germans with (and with 1940's military tech, you couldn't just blow up a mountain like you would a fort). Any invasion--be it from Italy or Germany, and from any possible direction, was considered, and preparations made accordingly. Hitler was actually intimidated more by Switzerland, than he was the USSR. Imagine that--The land of chocolates and clocks was more intimidating to him that holy mother Russia and it's empire...that is a special level of intimidation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 17, 2013, 03:17:23 PM
In reality, you could simply look up the word "capitalism" on BigThink's channel and you're guaranteed to find a lot of fail quotes, but I'll post this one because it's pretty bad.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 17, 2013, 03:38:32 PM
I responding to a Lulu Dechant on this article

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-obama-gun-control-20130116,0,3325027.story

I asked her about the hypocrisy of obama killing children with drone strikes. And him selling guns to the cartels. and this was her response

QuoteThat's just stupid and for your sake I really hope you don't actually believe that Obama sold guns to Mexican cartels. Turn off the Fox Loons and start thinking for yourself, it's not too late.

This was my response to her.

QuoteWhat is stupid about my comment? It wasn't only fox news that reported it. Every major news outlet has stories on it. They were supposed to track the guns that they were selling to cartels in a sting operation and they screwed up and lost track of them. So you are Ok with his drone attacks on children? That says a lot about you, doesn't it?

Unbelievable isn't it?

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 17, 2013, 07:02:11 PM
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The AR 15 shot 70 people at the theater shooting? It jammed, you liar!

The rest of the shooting was done with a shotgun and a handgun.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 17, 2013, 10:59:32 PM

This is a response I made to Dv Wfwewfe

QuoteWell pardon me grammer nazi. Yes I know why the war started. The assassination of Ferdinand, the alliances etc. Your ignoring the Treaty of Versailles, which put severe economic burdens on the german people. That paved the way for someone like hitler to take power. Seeing that result the US should have just stayed out of it. What the hell does fox news have to do with history? A gun slinging hillbilly is better than a murderer supporting, drone attack loving, hypocrite. You have to be a troll.

Then this was his response to me

QuoteYou need to capitalize names Skimmer1091. Hitler, being a name, needs to be capitalized. You should know that well since you hillbilly right wing Nazi gun nuts have him as one of your greatest heroes. Now say it, Hail Hittler you nazi pig

Unbelievable he makes a big fuss over grammer and does not even make any arguments against the points I made.

Bellow is my response to him.

QuoteYou think i'm writing an english paper or something? Name calling with absolutely no substance eh? YOU are more of the "nazi pig" seeing that your for bombing innocent people with drones. Now the allies were also guilty of this but at least I don't pick and choose sides or make excuses for one leader or another. And guess what. You are still are still a murderer supporting scumbag.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 18, 2013, 08:05:59 AM
Not a big fan of elections in general, but this is definitely fail:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 19, 2013, 02:17:39 PM
This is from a private message to me from a jacquelineveronique on youtube

Quotewhen did I ever say that I support drone strikes ? Still, Obama has killed less people than the one million Iraqis Bush killed

So since Clinton killed only 200,000-500,000 children with his sanctions against the Iraqis, she would give him a pass? Wow, just wow.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on January 19, 2013, 03:18:42 PM
Well then does she give mass shooters a pass? I mean, they almost never kill more than 10 people after all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 19, 2013, 04:16:37 PM
Quote from: VectorM on January 19, 2013, 03:18:42 PM
Well then does she give mass shooters a pass? I mean, they almost never kill more than 10 people after all.
Oh no, she is for gun control. So when an average maniac does it she goes nuts. But when her favorite politician does it she seems to give them a pass or make excuses. Special pleading, anyone? To her it seems that innocent civilians killed by Obama, or democratic politicians does not count, but when a republican does it, it is a travesty. I also asked her even if Obama's body count is not as high does still make it OK and if she would give Clinton a pass for killing 200,000-500,000 Iraqi children with his sanctions. After all 200,000 to 500,000 is still not a million, according to her argument. Then I went on about the NDAA, his increased numbers of medical marijuana clinic raids, keeping git-mo open, etc. If she still thinks Obama is any better, then she has shown me her true color.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 21, 2013, 03:17:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPPm4885DVo  Get a load of this comment in my top 11 fav statist arguments vid.

According to ubernoobslayer:     "If the government hated the self-employed, they wouldn't offer all the tax deductions that they do to them. The self-employed pay on average 7% less income tax than the regularly employed, and are offered health insurance, home office, travel, and business loan interest tax deductions greater as well (not to mention the great self-employment retirement plans tax deductions).
    The government hates the monopoly corporations, not the start-ups. "

I have yet to find a single self employed person who didn't laugh hysterically at that statement.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on January 21, 2013, 03:30:12 PM
(http://www.greenpeace.org/eastasia/Global/eastasia/photos/food-agriculture/gm-food-infographic.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 21, 2013, 03:34:48 PM
A comment from this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3ey8aoPu4w):
QuoteYou are wrong. Non-religious upbringing is harmful. It gives no moral foundation for the person, leaving him without ethics, values or views. Those bio-robots, when grown up, act unmoral, damaging their lives and having no values except material gain. Those people are soulless, believing they are just a body, piece of meat. Just few of them wake up spiritually and find their way. Here in Europe it's a massive problem. Hidden communist, socialist indoctrination in wide on the way at schools...

Oh the hilarity.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 21, 2013, 03:53:20 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on January 21, 2013, 03:30:12 PM
(http://www.greenpeace.org/eastasia/Global/eastasia/photos/food-agriculture/gm-food-infographic.jpg)
Wow...just...wow.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 21, 2013, 04:00:53 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 21, 2013, 03:17:44 PMAccording to ubernoobslayer:     "If the government hated the self-employed, they wouldn't offer all the tax deductions that they do to them. The self-employed pay on average 7% less income tax than the regularly employed, and are offered health insurance, home office, travel, and business loan interest tax deductions greater as well (not to mention the great self-employment retirement plans tax deductions).

[Spit-take] WHAT??? Then how come I, as a self-employed person for over 10 years, have to pay twice the taxes and get half the benefits? Has he never heard of the "self-employment tax" (currently 13.3%, increasing to 15.3% for 2013 (gee, thanks, Barry))? Is he not familiar with all the penalties involved for sending in the wrong amount of Estimated Tax, even if we follow the IRS's math to the digit?

Self-Employed Pay Highest Tax Rate In US (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-k-humphreys/selfemployed-pay-highest-_b_2397853.html)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 21, 2013, 11:54:03 PM
(http://www.folkingmetal.com/pickors/george-carlin-economy.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 22, 2013, 12:09:26 AM
whose that fuckstick? doesn't he realize that all three pay taxes? heavy ones too: the income tax, the inflation "tax", or both.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 22, 2013, 12:14:18 AM
That is George Carlin.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on January 22, 2013, 02:30:03 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 22, 2013, 12:09:26 AM
whose that fuckstick? doesn't he realize that all three pay taxes? heavy ones too: the income tax, the inflation "tax", or both.

Blah-blah, the rich are foxes and avoid all taxes, blah-blah they influence government with money, blah-blah-blah.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 22, 2013, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 22, 2013, 12:09:26 AM
whose that fuckstick? doesn't he realize that all three pay taxes? heavy ones too: the income tax, the inflation "tax", or both.

Well, no, he doesn't realize much of anything these days, being dead and everything.

I know he got that Republicans aren't actually about reducing the role of government, although I've never heard any material he had about Democrats.  He didn't seem to understand that the hundreds of investigations and special prosecutors that were sent against the Regan Administration were purely political, and most of the time there was, as the saying goes, "no there there".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 22, 2013, 01:37:25 PM
This whole thing: https://www.facebook.com/notes/ar%C3%BCn-s%C3%A9amus-surinder-smith/president-runte-i-tore-down-that-wall/10151407051872437

Reproduced here in case it goes away:

QuotePresident Runte, I Tore Down That Wall
by Arün Séamus Surinder Smith on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 at 1:15am · Public

To the Carleton community:

This evening, acting alone, and in an act of forceful resistance, I removed the Carleton Students for Liberty's "free speech wall" from the Unicentre Galleria.  I take full and sole responsibility for this action, I understand that there will likely be consequences, and I am prepared for the imposition of those consequences, however unjust they might be.

In fact, it is in response to injustice that I have found myself with no recourse beyond this.  We live in a world built on meaningless platitudes, one where abstract ideology seems to trump considerations for humanity; we rely on buzzwords like "free speech" to help us either ignore or perpetuate the gross suffering that our words and actions can cause.  We forget, often deliberately, that the damage we do to individuals in marginalized communities, and to those communities themselves, is inhumane and unjust, and that responding to it with more meaningless platitudes about inclusion and equity is doing nothing to fundamentally alter the status quo.  Given this, I consider this action both a moral imperative, and one entirely in line with the mandates of the positions that students on this campus have chosen for me to hold.

Actions and words can be used both to retrench and to challenge the cages, the boxes, the oppression, that we face, but something must be done in order that we might not suffer so much, so often.  In organizing the "free speech wall," the Students for Liberty have forgotten that liberty requires liberation, and this liberation is prevented by providing space for either more platitudes, or for the expression of hate.  Further, to organize for this "wall" to be erected during our Pride Week, where our communities are supposed to be able to seek liberation and celebrate our diversity, is offensive, ill-considered, and dangerous.  The theme of this year's Pride Week is UNAPOLOGETIC, inviting us to refuse to apologize for who we are, and the erecting of this "wall" is but another in a series of acts of violence against we who are forced every day to try and justify who we are, to try and justify our humanity and our being deserving of respect, dignity, and consideration.

We are supposed to be creating safe(r) spaces for ourselves, and for other students, but there can be no safe(r) spaces where there is potential for triggering, the invalidation or questioning of the identities of others, and/or the expression of hatred.  Prior to undertaking this action, I contacted Equity Services, who have decided to abandon a commitment to serving students; in fact, they referred me to CUSA, who abandoned a commitment to serving students themselves quite a while ago.

When one has little to no institutional support, and where those who are supposed to protect abrogate or abdicate their responsibilities, there is little recourse beyond acts of resistance. Some students with whom I spoke called the area around where the "wall" stood "a war zone," which underlines the realities of our lives: we are at war, in a war for our own survival, where to exist, we resist, and to resist, we exist. 

The time for platitudes is at its dusk, and the time for solidarity with our words and our actions is at its dawn.  It is with this sentiment in mind that I take responsibility.

Remorselessly, and with the utmost sincerity,

Arun Smith

HBA Human Rights and Political Science: International Relations, minor in Sexuality Studies; expected 2013

Challenge Homophobia and Transphobia Campaign Coordinator - Carleton University

Human Rights Representative - Carleton Academic Student Government

Activist/Organizer

613.413.1431 | facebook.com/arunsmith | @arun_smith | EN/FR

Man, I feel an expression of hatred coming on...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 22, 2013, 02:51:04 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on January 22, 2013, 09:24:22 AM
Well, no, he doesn't realize much of anything these days, being dead and everything.

I know he got that Republicans aren't actually about reducing the role of government, although I've never heard any material he had about Democrats.  He didn't seem to understand that the hundreds of investigations and special prosecutors that were sent against the Regan Administration were purely political, and most of the time there was, as the saying goes, "no there there".

didn't know he was dead: in fact, I don't know much about George Carlin at all. either way, the comment failed. he failed.


EDIT: @ Shane: oh, that's the least of it, as stupid and retarded as the guy who wrote this is (srsly, he is one whiny bitch).

you should check this out too:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/23/insult-obama-not-on-this-campus/

the text for it too:

QuoteInsulting the president and other government officials is practically a national pastime in the United States. This is a testament to the freedom of our society; in some parts of the world, insulting those who govern earns you swift punishment, or at least official censorship. That isn't the case in America — unless you live on a college campus.

Students at Sam Houston State University (SHSU) in Texas found this out the hard way yesterday when they erected a "free speech wall" — a recently popular way for students to highlight the importance of free speech in which students put up a freestanding wall covered in paper, upon which anyone can write anything they want. Students jumped on the chance to participate. To cite a few examples: "Don't hate against Gays ...," "If you make less than $200,000 Republicans don't care about you," "Life's not a bitch, Life is a beautiful woman ...," "Han Solo Shot First," "My boyfriend is a liar!," "Legalize Weed!!!," and "NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF!!!"

But just hours in, the free speech wall was vandalized by a professor — yes, a professor! — who was offended that someone had written "FUCK OBAMA" on the free speech wall. Students being students, the "F-word" was written on the wall many times about many different topics, but apparently the only expletive that offended this professor enough to take action was the one referring to President Obama.

The professor, whom students identified as Joe Kirk, demanded that the student groups sponsoring the wall — including Republicans, Democrats, libertarians and socialists — cover up only the Obama statement. They refused. He then told them that he would come back with a box cutter and cut it out of the wall himself, which he then did. You can see the before and after pictures at thefire.org.

Shocked that a professor would do this, the student organizers got in touch with the campus police. When the police arrived, they interviewed the students and the vandalizing professor. Then came the surprise: The police told the students that since Prof. Kirk was offended by some profanity on the wall, the students were engaging in "disorderly conduct," a misdemeanor, and had to cover up all the swear words on the wall or take it down. Realizing that this would make a mockery out of the purpose of a free speech wall, the students simply disassembled the wall. Thus ended SHSU's several hour-long experiment with free speech.

Profanity has always had a unique power to bring consternation to those who hear it; legendary comedian George Carlin's "Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television" routine made him famous precisely because he was willing to use such words. But the landmark Supreme Court case of Cohen v. California (1971) made clear that the First Amendment protects shocking or offensive expression, including the use of expletives in the communication of core political speech. In Cohen, the Supreme Court overturned the conviction of a man for wearing a jacket emblazoned with the words "Fuck the Draft" in a county courthouse, writing that "one man's vulgarity is another's lyric."

Prof. Kirk does not appear to have been offended by the F-word itself, however — only at its use in an insult against the president. That's the only one he cut out, after all. But the right of Americans to insult their leaders is just as protected as the right to use four-letter words. In New York Times Co. v. Sullivan (1964), the Supreme Court made clear that the First Amendment requires that "[d]ebate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open, and ... may well include vehement, caustic, and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks on government and public officials." And in Rankin v. McPherson (1987), the Court found that the First Amendment protected a deputy county constable's expressed hope that if another attempt were to be made on President Reagan's life, that it be successful. If that extreme statement constitutes protected speech, there is no question the words "FUCK OBAMA" are as well.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/23/insult-obama-not-on-this-campus/#ixzz2IjirZFrZ
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 24, 2013, 01:37:44 AM
This is just one of those long fails that leaves me dumbfounded. don't know what to say to this.


QuoteI don't know how you can completely ignore this fact, but people that are medicare and social security beneficiaries paid into that program their entire lives. On top of that, your notion that they are woefully dependent on government is ridiculous, most medicare and social security beneficiaries are not at all solely reliant on money from those programs. To suggest such a thing is absurd.

Medicaid exists because we have a healthcare system that leaves lower income people shit out of luck. Giving them access to basic care is much less expensive than waiting until they show up at the emergency room to get primary care there (and we are required by law to treat them, and you would have a very touch time coming up with an argument that we shouldn't, both on a moral and practical level).

---

Just because government exists doesn't mean people are dependent on it. Government does a hell of a lot of things completely un-related to welfare and food stamps etc. Many of those things have tremendous positive externalities and have benefitted society greatly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 24, 2013, 10:25:43 AM
Usually we post a lot of American and European bullshit, but apparently Japan has its fair share of bullshit as well.

Source (http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/top-japanese-official-urges-elderly-hurry-die-140528732--abc-news-topstories.html)

QuoteTOKYO - Taro Aso has never been one to hold his tongue. But Japan's 72 year-old deputy prime minister may have outdone himself with his latest gaffe.

At a government panel to discuss social security reforms, the former prime minister called the elderly who are unable to feed themselves "tube people," then proceeded to say the elderly should be allowed to "hurry up and die" to reduce the burden on a country tasked to pay for their medical expenses.

Adding his personal experience, Aso said he had already written a will, directing his family to let him "hurry up and die," refusing end-of-life care.

"Even if (doctors) said they could keep me alive, it would be unbearable," he said. "I would feel guilty, knowing that (treatment) was being paid for by the government."

Aso later argued that his comments were misinterpreted. He was speaking about his personal wishes, not those of all senior citizens.

The issue of elderly care remains a major challenge for Japan, the world's fastest aging country. Nearly a quarter of the population is 65 and older, with that number expected to spike to 40 percent in the next 50 years. Concerns about financial strains placed on social security and pension systems are so grave, lawmakers passed an unpopular tax hike bill last summer, agreeing to double the sales tax to 10 percent over the next three years.

Aso has a history of verbal blunders. He once compared an opposition party to the Nazis, and said he wanted Japan to become the kind of country "the richest Jews would want to live." In 2008, while still prime minister, Aso called the elderly a "feeble" group.

"Why should I have to pay taxes for people who just sit around and do nothing but eat and drink?" he said at the time.

He later apologized for his comments on national TV.

Taro Aso seems like such a pleasant person...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 24, 2013, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: D on January 24, 2013, 10:25:43 AM
Usually we post a lot of American and European bullshit, but apparently Japan has its fair share of bullshit as well.

Source (http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/top-japanese-official-urges-elderly-hurry-die-140528732--abc-news-topstories.html)

Taro Aso seems like such a pleasant person...

At least he's willing to include himself in his proclamations. Assuming, of course, he's being sincere and won't do the exact opposite when the time comes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 25, 2013, 02:14:09 AM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/64229_10151381364889452_1817820252_n.jpg)

This is why I dislike college students.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 25, 2013, 04:14:01 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on January 21, 2013, 11:54:03 PM
(http://www.folkingmetal.com/pickors/george-carlin-economy.jpg)

You take a statement that has been heavely simplified for comedic purpose and find faults in it? Saints alive, we're cooking with gas now. Pray tell me, where does your font of aquired wisdom lie so that I may partake of it and do as such as you do?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 25, 2013, 05:57:07 PM
(http://oi46.tinypic.com/2q03yf9.jpg)

Apparently consistency is not something to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 25, 2013, 07:20:57 PM
I just got this gem.


QuoteWhat spending are you talking about? There's the recovery act, unemployment insurance, food stamps and I don't think much else. Recovery act probably had a net positive effect on the deficit, unemployment insurance is almost a necessity during a recession unless you want a few more million people to be living on the street because they can't pay their bills after being laid off and struggling to find work. And food stamps, I think the argument for that is pretty straightforward.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 25, 2013, 07:30:08 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 25, 2013, 02:14:09 AM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/64229_10151381364889452_1817820252_n.jpg)

the final argument of statists...let's look at the same exact problem a whole other way.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on January 26, 2013, 09:51:57 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 26, 2013, 01:11:55 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on January 26, 2013, 09:51:57 AM
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Straw man at it's finest.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on January 26, 2013, 06:25:17 PM
Its from the same people who brought us the classic Libertarian 911 video
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 27, 2013, 01:08:01 AM
Saw this on Hawkeye's Top 11 Statist arguments.


Quoteubernoobslayer 1 week ago

You only have to look at how capitalism works today to know that that won't work. It's "dog eat dog". Through competition, a buisness not only outperforms its rivals, but also drives them out of the market. Look at Comcast with cable. Look at AT&T in the 1980's with phone service. Look at the NFL with football. Look at the U.S. Steel with the steel industry.

These "private police" will drive their competitors out of the market, and you'll have no choice or liberty.

My first question. Didn't these companies receive government backing? Specific monopoly rights in most cases.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on January 27, 2013, 01:10:25 AM
Quotepeople like Gary Johnson only want to end the war on drugs because it will mean less taxes to fund it. Libertarians don't truly care about the disadvantaged, they don't truly care if people go to jail for doing drugs or people across seas are killed by our bombs. They only pretend to because they don't want to pay the taxes to support it. So no, voting libertarian is no better than voting for republican and you are most certainly not welcome here. You have a lot of growing to do before even thinking of yourself as anywhere close to being "liberal."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 27, 2013, 01:32:47 AM
Quotepeople like Gary Johnson only want to end the war on drugs because it will mean less taxes to fund it. Libertarians don't truly care about the disadvantaged, they don't truly care if people go to jail for doing drugs or people across seas are killed by our bombs. They only pretend to because they don't want to pay the taxes to support it. So no, voting libertarian is no better than voting for republican and you are most certainly not welcome here. You have a lot of growing to do before even thinking of yourself as anywhere close to being "liberal."

In the world of Penn Jillette, "Fuck You in the Fucking Neck!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on January 27, 2013, 12:48:32 PM
Quote
Obama has gotten us out of 1 war and is ending the second.
No one wants more bailouts
Obama has actually lowered the deficit
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 27, 2013, 03:04:18 PM
QuoteObama has actually lowered the deficit

that's news to me, considering we have almost twice the national debt we had when Bush left office (who in turn had 1.5 times more debt on him that when Clinton left, who in turn.....).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 28, 2013, 08:14:42 PM
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I think you need to respond to this one Shane.

"The Treaty of Tripoli merely states that the government is not founded upon the Christian religion, which is true since Christianity gives no blueprint to structure a government system. But this is not the point of the topic. The point was that Obama said we are not a Christian nation, not that our government was not founded on Christianity. Those are two very different statements, and the Founders did agree that it was a Christian nation. The Trinity decision confirmed this."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 29, 2013, 07:39:16 PM
I think this may very well be the first time The Skeptical Libertarian (https://www.facebook.com/SkepticalLibertarian/posts/545389262145554) has left me in a feeling of disgust.

He posted this:
Quote from: The Skeptical LibertarianYou don't need to be an economist to be a libertarian. And you don't need to be a libertarian to be an economist. But you do need to be an economist to be an economist, if you catch my drift.

That isn't really the fail, but the fail shows up when he was talking about Paul Krugman:
Quote from: The Skeptical LibertarianHe doesn't do economics anymore--he mostly sticks to partisan hackery--but Paul Krugman is or could be a great economist, and he deserved his Nobel.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 29, 2013, 08:13:52 PM
Quote from: D on January 29, 2013, 07:39:16 PM
I think this may very well be the first time The Skeptical Libertarian (https://www.facebook.com/SkepticalLibertarian/posts/545389262145554) has left me in a feeling of disgust.

He posted this:
That isn't really the fail, but the fail shows up when he was talking about Paul Krugman:
QuoteHe doesn't do economics anymore--he mostly sticks to partisan hackery--but Paul Krugman is or could be a great economist, and he deserved his Nobel.

He actually did. Krugman's work in New Trade Theory (which is what he received the Nobel Prize for) gave us a good understanding of how an economic equilibrium applies to international trade, including network effects and factors of scale.

The thing to remember is, a podiatrist might be a brilliant MD, but you still shouldn't go to him to diagnose a brain tumor. Most of what Krugman blogs about is WAY outside his specialty.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 30, 2013, 06:19:21 AM
For anyone looking for a good laugh, I recommend reading the comments after Judge Andrew Napolitano (https://www.facebook.com/JudgeNapolitano/posts/10151505615265802) posted his opinion on immigration.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 30, 2013, 07:08:26 AM
Quote from: D on January 30, 2013, 06:19:21 AM
For anyone looking for a good laugh, I recommend reading the comments after Judge Andrew Napolitano (https://www.facebook.com/JudgeNapolitano/posts/10151505615265802) posted his opinion on immigration.

Varney said he was "way out there." If the idea that we shouldn't use violence against peaceful people and arrest their freedom of movement is "way out there," we've got a LONG way to go...

Dumbest comment that sums up their mentality perfectly: "Illegal immigration is a crime." Um, begging the question much? It's illegal because it's a crime. The question is what JUSTIFICATION there is for the crime. Helping slaves escape used to be a crime. Giving medical marijuana patients their medicine is a crime.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 30, 2013, 07:44:55 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 30, 2013, 07:08:26 AM
Varney said he was "way out there." If the idea that we shouldn't use violence against peaceful people and arrest their freedom of movement is "way out there," we've got a LONG way to go...

Dumbest comment that sums up their mentality perfectly: "Illegal immigration is a crime." Um, begging the question much? It's illegal because it's a crime. The question is what JUSTIFICATION there is for the crime. Helping slaves escape used to be a crime. Giving medical marijuana patients their medicine is a crime.

I just went back to that thread and this delicious little piece of hilarious fail came up:
QuoteJudge I'm a big fan, but this is where we part ways. They are citizens of where ever they came from. Let them go make their country as great as ours if they decide to do so. If not tough crap I don't care, they have no right to go where ever they want, just the same as we don't have a right to go where ever we want willy nilly and have citizenship rights where ever we want. If that is true the entire world then has voter rights in the USA. THAT IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT, ACCEPTABLE!!!

>If not tough crap I don't care

And Republicans wonder why people call them heartless.

Mmmmmm that's good hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 30, 2013, 08:48:08 AM
And this is yet another amazing thing about statists: They say to libertarians, "If you don't like the way this country works, LEAVE!" Then they say to foreigners, "If you don't like the way YOUR country works, DON'T COME HERE!"

The cognitive dissonance of "they have no right to go where ever they want" and "they should leave if they don't like it" is VERY indicative of the unthinking dogmatism inherent in the Cult of the Omnipotent State.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on January 30, 2013, 11:42:58 AM
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,17360.0.html (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,17360.0.html)

This whole thread is full of fail but my favorite has to be

QuoteMore correctly, we spend the money that we decide to tax ourselves, on projects that we feel are worth funding.

If you don't think that government spending is an investment in the economy, try running your business without the public roads.

And
Quote
what a bizarre and completely dishonest statement.  Are you under the impression that children under the age of 16 and senior citizens who have paid their forty years of income taxes and are now retired are either investing your money or making decisions about your income?

You should move to alaska my friend.  They have milliions of unimproved, untaxed acres of land just waiting for guys like you to get out and rough it like the rugged anti tax titan that you apparently imagine yourself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 30, 2013, 12:06:08 PM
"If you don't think that government spending is an investment in the economy, try running your business without the public roads."

Yeah, cos without government roads, everyone would just be standing around scratching their heads, saying, "Duh, I wish I had some way to get places." Riiiiight.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2013, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 30, 2013, 08:48:08 AM
And this is yet another amazing thing about statists: They say to libertarians, "If you don't like the way this country works, LEAVE!" Then they say to foreigners, "If you don't like the way YOUR country works, DON'T COME HERE!"

The cognitive dissonance of "they have no right to go where ever they want" and "they should leave if they don't like it" is VERY indicative of the unthinking dogmatism inherent in the Cult of the Omnipotent State.

And even then, go where?  Another tax cage?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 30, 2013, 02:17:49 PM
Well, I've got another self-appointed Defender of the Weak here on this video:

[yt]GbJvgqoeFSU[/yt]

Yes, let's just disrespect people with autism and other disorders by pretending we need guys like this clown to stick up for them, as if they can't stick up for themselves. Let's make a manufactroversy for our own purposes so that we can denigrate an innocent man and then accusing HIM of levying insults at US.

Man, I'm REALLY sick of people like that. They're so much of what's wrong with America today.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 30, 2013, 04:35:11 PM
This (http://rense.com/general95/urgent_dev.html) was linked in that hodgepodge of a thread on immigration on Facebook.

Quote"If anyone's going to be deported, it's going to be you! ... Get out! We are the future. You're old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you - leave like beaten rats. You old white people, it is your duty to die. Right now, we're already controlling those elections, whether it's by violence or nonviolence. Through love of having children we're going to take over."

--Augustin Cebada, information minister of Brown Berets, militant para-military soldiers of Aztlan shouting at U.S. citizens at an Independence Day rally in Los Angeles.

Judge Andrew Napolitano on the Jon Stewart Show, November 15, 2012: He is for open borders. Said people are born to move freely about. Right, judge. That includes rapists, murderers and terrorists.


You've probably heard there is yet another immigration "reform" agreement headed up by four members of the Democratic/Communist Party USA and four Republicans:

Schumer, Dick Durbin of Illinois, Robert Menendez of New Jersey and Michael Bennet of Colorado; and Republicans McCain, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Marco Rubio of Florida and Jeff Flake of Arizona.

Earllier this date I called my unlawfully seated Senator, John Cornyn, and told his staff in DC and Lubbock, TX, this:

1.  Illegal means illegal. They have no right to be on U.S. soil, period.

2. This is the same crap Ronald Reagan pulled in 1986 when he signed into law another phony immigration "reform" law. THAT law opened the flood gates for the illegal invasion that's gone on for decades.

3.  There is no way to do background checks on 11 MILLION plus illegals.

I don't care if they've been in this country one hour or 20 years, they have no right to be on U.S. soil, period. There aren't enough employees that work for Immigration & Customs to fact check and hunt down 11 million or more applications to verify the illegal came from where he/she said they did, any criminal record and so forth. It will be more slip shod run 'em through because the Democratic/Communist Party USA wants them as voters.

Not be outdone on sucking up to a particular ethnic group, the Republicans also want to reward those who sneak into our country because they also want Latino votes at the expense of making citizenship meaningless in this country. What whores. I'm sorry, but that's what they are in my eyes.

4.  More Americans die every year at the hands of illegal aliens than were killed on 9/11. Some are caught, some not. Reward them with a "path to citizenship"? A path to citizenship for both sets of my grand parents was years on a waiting list, pass an English test and show a doctor's certificate less than 30 days old that you did not have TB. Then, a five year wait before they could take their citizenship test.

5.  Millions of illegal aliens, regardless of country of origin hold jobs that belong to Americans, naturalized Americans and legal aliens who went through the legal process.

With 25 million Americans unemployed, the eight miscreants above want to reward those who slither across our borders like thieves in the night by allowing them to keep jobs they have no legal right to hold.

6.  President Eisenhower deported millions of illegals. It can be done again, but that's not the agenda in Washington, DC.

7.  Illegals steal our jobs and resources. Bankrupt hospitals, over crowd America's schools when they have no right to be here.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/28/bipartisan-group-8-senators-reach-deal-on-immigration-changes/NovartisOTC.us@novartis.com

--Creating a path to citizenship for the estimated illegal immigrants already in the U.S., contingent upon securing the border and better tracking of people here on visas.

BULL. There has been no real effort to seal off the southern border. It's all talk and delay, delay, delay.

--Reforming the legal immigration system, including awarding green cards to immigrants who obtain advanced degrees in science, math, technology or engineering from an American university.

WHAT? No illegal alien has any legal right to attend any American University. So, reward illegals for stealing a classroom seat that belongs to an American citizen.

--Creating an effective employment verification system to ensure that employers do not hire illegal immigrants.

E-Verify works pretty good, but there are even more stringent ways to clean illegals off the employment rolls. Dry up the employment and they will go back to whatever country they came from.

Social security and Medicare are almost $100 TRILLION in unpaid mandates. It is absurd to even think those obligations can be met. It is a cruel hoax on the American people.

Medicare and union pensions are bankrupting states. Giving amnesty to 11 million, which will end up being more, mark my words, is to bring new bux into those Ponzi schemes in an effort to keep them afloat. It won't work. You and I will get soaked, again:
Cost of giving illegal immigrants path to citizenship could outweigh fiscal benefits

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/28/cost-giving-illegal-immigrants-path-to-citizenship-could-outweigh-fiscal/

"While most studies, including one by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, have focused on the impact at the state and local levels, where most of the socials services for illegal immigrants are provided, Camarota has also looked at the impact on the federal government.

"He estimated in an often-cited 2004 study that illegal immigrants paying taxes and getting access to such social services as Medicaid or food stamps would cost taxpayers $29 billion annually.

"Contrary to the conventional wisdom, he argued, the main reason illegal immigrants create a large deficit is not their heavy use of social services but their lack of education, which results in low-paying jobs and small income-tax contributions.

"On average, the costs that illegal households impose on federal coffers are less than half that of other households, but their tax payments are only one-fourth that of other households," writes Camarota, in his 2004 study "The High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget."

Low paying jobs? Illegals have no right to any level paying job.

$29 BILLION every year? That is 2004 dollar value. You watch, if this goes through it will be a lot higher as the value of the dollar continues to deteriorate. That means more of your paycheck or retirement will be pinched in taxes to give dishonest people a free ride.

Here are a few sobering facts: -

I used the numbers below in an April 2010 column

<>The numbers are now higher by two million more illegals:

We Spend about $397 Billion dollars in Welfare and Other Social Services for Illegals since 1996
There are about 5 million children of Illegals in the Public Schools
There are  420,137 Illegals in the State of Arizona
There are Currently 22,753,048 illegal immigrants in this country in our jails and 740,000 fugitives
They hold 11,570,070 Skilled jobs in this country.
Arrest numbers signal 9 percent jump in illegal immigration in 2012

Sneaking across our border is not immigration. It's a full scale invasion.

Here's another dose of reality - reward them?

I hope you will also call your US Senator and give him/her a piece of your mind.

A couple of years ago we the people stopped the last attempt by the impostor president and his minions by melting down the phone lines in DC and their district offices. We defeated them then and we can do it again. Call your senator's DC and district offices. I did. Keep calling. Encourage family and friends to do the same.

I don't know about you, but I'm sick and tire of more immigration "reform" bills that turn into amnesty for millions who then have more off spring by the millions. This is just another free ride for law breakers.

Deport not reward.

Contact for senate: www.senate.gov

Flashback: Mexican pirates vs. constitutional militia

There are a bunch of various links in this massive wall of text, but you can just go to the source for them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 30, 2013, 04:48:58 PM
Quote from: D on January 30, 2013, 04:35:11 PM
This (http://rense.com/general95/urgent_dev.html) was linked in that hodgepodge of a thread on immigration on Facebook.

There are a bunch of various links in this massive wall of text, but you can just go to the source for them.

QuoteThis is the same crap Ronald Reagan pulled in 1986 when he signed into law another phony immigration "reform" law. THAT law opened the flood gates for the illegal invasion that's gone on for decades.

Illegal immigrants commit violent crimes at a lower rate than the average population. This must be the most peaceful, polite invasion ever!

QuoteMore Americans die every year at the hands of illegal aliens than were killed on 9/11.

Even if true, it's an Over 9000 fallacy. Water kills more people every year than were killed on 9/11. Besides, even if this stat is true, and even if every one of those deaths constitutes murder, then that's still 1 per 100,000 murders--again, lower than the national average.

QuoteMillions of illegal aliens, regardless of country of origin hold jobs that belong to Americans, naturalized Americans and legal aliens who went through the legal process.

Oh, those jobs "belong to" Americans? How can you own a job? Besides, Say's Law, yo. Say's Law!

QuotePresident Eisenhower deported millions of illegals.

President Eisenhower was a dick.

QuoteIllegals steal our jobs and resources.

No, they don't. Not only do they work at jobs, but they consume in the economy just like everybody else. That consumption creates another job to replace the one they took. Again, Say's Law.

Then there's the bogus blaming illegal immigrants for America's entitlement programs being in trouble. Never mind the fact that illegal immigrants go on welfare to a MUCH lower degree than the average population.

The rest is just as bogus. Nothing to see here, folks.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 30, 2013, 08:31:49 PM
Albert Einstein was an immigrant.  Is anyone gonna claim the US would have been better off without him?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 30, 2013, 08:37:03 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 30, 2013, 08:31:49 PM
Albert Einstein was an immigrant.  Is anyone gonna claim the US would have been better off without him?

Oh, that's totally different! Don't you realize that was a different time and culture? What's your alternative, making up the rules as you go along, in some kind of subjective morality? You don't know the history behind it! You're taking the passage out of context! You need to come over to the side of right and righteousness before you can understand...

...uh, wait, I forgot, are we talking about the Bible or politics?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 30, 2013, 09:22:25 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 30, 2013, 08:37:03 PM
Oh, that's totally different! Don't you realize that was a different time and culture? What's your alternative, making up the rules as you go along, in some kind of subjective morality? You don't know the history behind it! You're taking the passage out of context! You need to come over to the side of right and righteousness before you can understand...

...uh, wait, I forgot, are we talking about the Bible or politics?

Their actual answer would be he came from Europe and is white.

Don't believe me? In that first bit I posted, there was one particular post that all but confirmed the true racist nature behind this issue:
QuoteProtecting its own ethnic heritage is a natural right!

There you have it folks. White people afraid that the nation will somehow be less white if we open the borders.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 31, 2013, 04:23:51 AM
Quote from: D on January 30, 2013, 09:22:25 PM
Their actual answer would be he came from Europe and is white.

Don't believe me? In that first bit I posted, there was one particular post that all but confirmed the true racist nature behind this issue:
There you have it folks. White people afraid that the nation will somehow be less white if we open the borders.

We actually have a couple of people like that back on GT. At any rate, I also got this gem from somebody who I otherwise respect.


QuoteMostly, I like Coolidge because he's the closest thing we've ever had to a libertarian president, and we actually had no major crisises under him (the few that we had he averted pretty quickly). He was a man who could do by not doing.

And to be fair Cooldig was KIND OF small government but I don't think  he was enough to warrent the reputation. I pretty much quotes Shane on this one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 31, 2013, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 30, 2013, 08:31:49 PM
Albert Einstein was an immigrant.  Is anyone gonna claim the US would have been better off without him?

He was also what we would now call a refugee, of the most unfortunate sort, since he was fleeing his previous home country for fear of life and limb from the government of said country.

He also jumped the queue, quite literally.  At the time, being Jewish was something immigration cared rather a LOT about, and had strict quotas and a years-long waiting list for entree for Jews (which has been documented to have resulted in as large number of people getting caught up in the Holocaust who would have been safely in the US without this policy), which he was able, due to his fame and the fact he could walk into any university in the US and have administrators on their knees begging him to take a position there, to simply bypass and go from being on a speaking tour to immigrating.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 31, 2013, 03:03:52 PM
QuoteProtecting its own ethnic heritage is a natural right!

you know, until it involves white people kicking "red" and "brown" people (and the occasional "less white") people off the land.

like how the "whites" who founded United States kicked the Native Americans....oh, I wasn't supposed to mention that, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 31, 2013, 04:21:36 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 31, 2013, 03:03:52 PM
you know, until it involves white people kicking "red" and "brown" people (and the occasional "less white") people off the land.

like how the "whites" who founded United States kicked the Native Americans....oh, I wasn't supposed to mention that, right?

Oh that doesn't count because they made 'MURICA so it's okay, but even if it did count it's way too late to whine about it now!

Yes, that previous sentence is a joke, but sadly this is a common argument I see among conservatives when you bring up the whole "slaughtering Native Americans" thing. I've also seen people bring up our slaughtering of Native Americans as a reason why we shouldn't let immigrants in. I wish I was kidding.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 31, 2013, 04:36:54 PM
Quote from: D on January 31, 2013, 04:21:36 PM
Oh that doesn't count because they made 'MURICA so it's okay, but even if it did count it's way too late to whine about it now!

Yes, that previous sentence is a joke, but sadly this is a common argument I see among conservatives when you bring up the whole "slaughtering Native Americans" thing. I've also seen people bring up our slaughtering of Native Americans as a reason why we shouldn't let immigrants in. I wish I was kidding.

When we're talking about Native Americans, "centuries ago" doesn't count (even though in a lot of cases it wasn't even 150 years). But when it comes to Palestine, "centuries ago" counts all of a sudden (even though it was closer to 1500 years ago) and 1948 doesn't for some strange reason.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 31, 2013, 05:03:50 PM
How do you respond to the whole, "Libertarianism has never been done in history so there's no proof it will work."?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 31, 2013, 05:38:12 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 31, 2013, 05:03:50 PM
How do you respond to the whole, "Libertarianism has never been done in history so there's no proof it will work."?

"There has never been a time where people didn't own slaves! There is no proof that freeing the slaves would be a good idea!"

Just because something hasn't been done before doesn't mean that it is doomed to fail, and that's besides the point. The fact is, the current system fails and fails hard and it needs to be drastically changed. Not "fixed" but drastically changed into something completely new.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 31, 2013, 05:40:47 PM
Quote from: D on January 31, 2013, 05:38:12 PM
"There has never been a time where people didn't own slaves! There is no proof that freeing the slaves would be a good idea!"

Just because something hasn't been done before doesn't mean that it is doomed to fail, and that's besides the point. The fact is, the current system fails and fails hard and it needs to be drastically changed. Not "fixed" but drastically changed into something completely new.

Also, this is more black/white dogmatic thinking. There are many points along the continuum from free markets to totalitarianism. The point to take home is, the closer you are to the free market side, the better things are; the closer you are to the totalitarian side, the worse things are.

Pretty simple math.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 31, 2013, 06:12:19 PM
This whole thread. Person who made first comment red. me: blue. Mark Hayden: black

The free market leads to slavery,

Yes, allowing people to do as they see fit as long as they don't use force or fraud leads slavery. Its not as though slavery is enforced by governments. Oh, wait!

Where has the government of today in America enforced slavery?

Where the fuck did I say that?

You know what you stated. Don't twist things like you libertards like to do. It won't wipe.

"Its not as though slavery is enforced by governments."
Where did I mention the US government? Oh, that's right, you're a liar.

No I'm not. You're twisting things again. You've lost. Accept it.

I quoted it. You liar.
I said governments enforce slavery, I never said the US government of today enforced slavery.
Your the the one twisting things, LIAR!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 31, 2013, 06:36:49 PM
It's amazing how quickly they resort to that when they're caught, is it not?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 31, 2013, 06:48:55 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 31, 2013, 06:36:49 PM
It's amazing how quickly they resort to that when they're caught, is it not?

This guy is one of those morons who goes around calling us libertarians, "libertards"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 31, 2013, 08:13:14 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 31, 2013, 05:03:50 PM
How do you respond to the whole, "Libertarianism has never been done in history so there's no proof it will work."?

There's what they said above but there's also two other facts to note.

Most of your everyday life IS self governed, it works fine and you would never have it any other way.

What do they mean by work?  Statism still hasn't delivered on the promises it's made so why does it get to win by default?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 31, 2013, 11:35:09 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 31, 2013, 04:36:54 PM
When we're talking about Native Americans, "centuries ago" doesn't count (even though in a lot of cases it wasn't even 150 years). But when it comes to Palestine, "centuries ago" counts all of a sudden (even though it was closer to 1500 years ago) and 1948 doesn't for some strange reason.

silly Shane, don't you know it's because Jews are God's chosen people, and Arabs are devil worshiping desert people? And we all know the Arabs were responsible for the start of the [wiki]Jewish diaspora[/wiki]...*extreme sarcasm*

sarcasm aside, believe me, I'm left scratching my head at the logic too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 01, 2013, 02:41:59 AM
[yt]oMk2c-R1nnE[/yt]

Everything posted by the User Mark Hayden.
Seriously, I could use some help with this guy!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 01, 2013, 06:00:51 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 01, 2013, 02:41:59 AM
Everything posted by the User Mark Hayden.
Seriously, I could use some help with this guy!

I'm sure I know that name from somewhere. Regardless, he is a piece of work...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 01, 2013, 06:47:08 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 01, 2013, 06:00:51 AM
I'm sure I know that name from somewhere. Regardless, he is a piece of work...

He's everything I imagine when I think of a stathiest.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 01, 2013, 09:13:23 AM
Oh. The board I frequent has  this guy called #85 who's basically Glen Beck. a white nationalist trying to pose as a libertarian. He had some real gems recently.

WARNING: The following contents are extremely racist. If there is any problem with me posting them here I will gladly remove them.

When asked why whites were more American then say the natives or the Spanish settlers.

QuoteWhy are we more American? My ancestors fought for and found and built this land.


This next gem shouldn't even NEED explanation.

QuoteLove the immigration act Coolidge signed. Real whites only.


When questioned on what exactly that meant he had this to say.

QuoteThere are 3 types of white people. Slavic, Nordic, and Mediterranean. Mediterraneans contain lots of Turk and North african blood, slavics contain lots of mongoloid blood, but nordics are the most "white" in my opinion. Not PC? Call the PC police.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on February 01, 2013, 09:52:43 AM
Murray Rothbard was right on alot of things, but his attempt to bring in the David Duke crowd into the libertarian fold wasn't one of the,
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on February 01, 2013, 10:08:40 AM
QuotePutting a uniformed officer to police the intersections helps stop the light runners while he is watching, once he is gone, it will continue. Hopefully these camera's will cut down on accidents.  The people who rear-end people are also the red light runners, most negative comments on here are from these very same people who shouldn't have a drivers license.  I hope eventually they put speed sensors in the road to catch all the speeders. The person responsible for the ticket is the owner of the car, he/she should know who was operating it the day the ticket was issued.  They need the camera's at every intersection and stop sign.

Comment from someone at the Jacksonville city council meeting about installing red light cameras
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 01, 2013, 10:31:14 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on February 01, 2013, 10:08:40 AM
Comment from someone at the Jacksonville city council meeting about installing red light cameras

That's when you know the politician is in bed with the company running the red light scameras.

If they really wanted to reduce accidents at intersections due to people running red lights, they would increase the yellow-light time and introduce a delay between turning red one way and green the other.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 01, 2013, 10:32:09 AM
"sigh" and this from a self-proclaimed antistatist


QuoteThe only way the "coercion" argument works is if someone agrees to your definition of "initiation of force" and agrees that it's a "bad" thing. Force is behind all laws (including that which upholds private property).

Your chances of having a libertarian society decreases significantly the more nonwhite a society becomes. Few whites support libertarianism, and even fewer nonwhites do. The state increases in several ways (do I need to list some?). You may not like force, but force will increase.

Also, the state prevents people from using "their property" (not really theirs, as rent must be paid to the state; it's called "land tax" and/or "propety tax") as they see fit when it brings in undesirables that would otherwise be excluded. In this sense, the state engages in "forced integration" upon its subjects.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 01, 2013, 09:22:22 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/555396_379061732189426_1001318825_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 01, 2013, 11:57:42 PM
Quote from: D on February 01, 2013, 09:22:22 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/555396_379061732189426_1001318825_n.jpg)

Is this real? It wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 02, 2013, 12:03:03 AM
well, Piers Morgan does have a point...sort of...

because government knows best, obviously being ordained and led by, higher beings--in this case our current lord and savior:

[spoiler](http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii28/Ibrahim_059/satire/StJohnsAshfield_StainedGlass_GoodShepherd-frame_crop.jpg)[/spoiler]

*sarcasm*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 02, 2013, 12:33:04 AM
Quote from: D on February 01, 2013, 09:22:22 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/555396_379061732189426_1001318825_n.jpg)

Talk about weird things statists say that makes them sound like rapists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 02, 2013, 12:52:53 AM
Got this gem recently from our good friend Temerit. The He's gongt o be the one in red everybody else in blue.



"What do you value in a system of government?"

Economic vitality, some level of social justice, the rule of law, protection from crime, from fire, from those who would kill for the sake of it. Freedom from persecution for race, religion, sex, etc.

"Honestly, private charities are far more effective at foreign aid, especially since they take a direct approach rather than routing through unstable governments."

This is absolutely not true at all. NGOs often end up doing more bad and good, private entities acting in charity has been a complete failure in the developing world. That's why Obama's global health initiative and entities like the global fund are moving to a system in which funds are channeled through governments, because it's much more effective that way and does a much better job of reaching public health targets.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 02, 2013, 08:16:00 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 01, 2013, 06:00:51 AM
I'm sure I know that name from somewhere. Regardless, he is a piece of work...

So, Shane, How many Tactics of creationist has Mark Hayden commited so far?

I know he's used most of Hawkeye's top 10.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 03, 2013, 01:40:39 AM
Quote from: tnu on February 02, 2013, 12:52:53 AM
Got this gem recently from our good friend Temerit. The He's gongt o be the one in red everybody else in blue.



"What do you value in a system of government?"

Economic vitality, some level of social justice, the rule of law, protection from crime, from fire, from those who would kill for the sake of it. Freedom from persecution for race, religion, sex, etc.

"Honestly, private charities are far more effective at foreign aid, especially since they take a direct approach rather than routing through unstable governments."

This is absolutely not true at all. NGOs often end up doing more bad and good, private entities acting in charity has been a complete failure in the developing world. That's why Obama's global health initiative and entities like the global fund are moving to a system in which funds are channeled through governments, because it's much more effective that way and does a much better job of reaching public health targets.

They've dumped how many billions onto them so far?  So...why are they still poor?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 03, 2013, 06:29:24 AM
I got this arrogant as fuck response to the Libertarian Purity Test.



Quote"Your score is... 20"

Seeing libertarian policies in a huge list like this really makes me laugh. How the fuck could anyone read that and think that it's a good idea? "dodoododoo removing FDA lol"

anarcho-capitalism is going to fucking kill you guys

"16-30 points: You are a soft-core libertarian. With effort, you may harden and become pure."

no fucking thx u.

also lol @ the "us vs them ur plebcore not /mu/ god tier lolbertarian" mentality of that quiz


I'm not even sure what to say to that.


God I hate this guy.


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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 03, 2013, 03:17:36 PM
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fuck....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 04, 2013, 07:51:54 AM
This one is even worse!

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I looove the part wher he says taxation is a choice because you can choose not to pay taxes and instead go to prison.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 04, 2013, 02:04:10 PM
There was a lot of discussion about the medieval weapons/armor, so I split it off into its own topic: https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=1745.0
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 04, 2013, 03:29:13 PM
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[yt]LPYxDlqfXOI[/yt]

Warning: The amount bogosity in these video are potentially lethal to the weak of mind. Viewer discretion is advised
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 04, 2013, 03:52:23 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 04, 2013, 03:29:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFo84ZamXoI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPYxDlqfXOI

Warning: The amount bogosity in these video are potentially lethal to the weak of mind. Viewer discretion is advised

The first isn't anything he even wrote. It's a bit of bogosity that's been going around for years, he just stuck it verbatim into XtraNormal.

The second just shows how little he knows. There is only ONE thing libertarians hate: the initiation of force. Why on EARTH would we hate sick days? Or calendars?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 04, 2013, 04:12:25 PM
QuoteLibertarianism is the real idealist fantasy.

Contractarianism is largely the basis of democracy, republics and the society in which you currently live.

As the piece I linked to point out, freedom isn't natural, freedom is an achievement of society. It's the achievement of a collection of social beings.


Yup. Temerit is a Social Contact statist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 04, 2013, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 04, 2013, 02:04:10 PM
There was a lot of discussion about the medieval weapons/armor, so I split it off into its own topic: https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=1745.0

Thanks, sorry about that.
Once I get going I can't stop.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 04, 2013, 04:46:09 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 04, 2013, 03:52:23 PM
The first isn't anything he even wrote. It's a bit of bogosity that's been going around for years, he just stuck it verbatim into XtraNormal.

The second just shows how little he knows. There is only ONE thing libertarians hate: the initiation of force. Why on EARTH would we hate sick days? Or calendars?

I have no idea why he even used the clock as an example.

He thinks all those things like clean water, safe working conditions can't be done without the initiation of force by an all powerful, elite person or group? This like creationist say that all this complex organ can only come from an almighty creator, or that only with god can we do blah blah blah.

He honestly think that the mafia is libertarian? Wow, just wow. One has to ignorant or insane to believe that

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 04, 2013, 05:01:51 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 04, 2013, 04:46:09 PM
I have no idea why he even used the clock as an example.

He thinks all those things like clean water, safe working conditions can't be done without the initiation of force by an all powerful, elite person or group? This like creationist say that all this complex organ can only come from an almighty creator, or that only with god can we do blah blah blah.

He honestly think that the mafia is libertarian? Wow, just wow. One has to ignorant or insane to believe that

I really hope somebody does a response calling him out on these vids.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 04, 2013, 06:55:21 PM
Quote from: tnu on February 04, 2013, 05:01:51 PM
I really hope somebody does a response calling him out on these vids.

DKshadow commented on the first video and then the comment all of a sudden disappeared. That says a lot doesn't it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 04, 2013, 08:16:18 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 04, 2013, 06:55:21 PM
DKshadow commented on the first video and then the comment was all of a sudden disappeared. That says a lot doesn't it?

At least the creationists have the forthrightness to ban comments outright.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 05, 2013, 01:30:59 PM
Danny Clover claiming that the 2nd admendment was made to protect Slave owners from uprisings!

I've seen the clip, but are having a hard time finding it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 05, 2013, 01:32:46 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 04, 2013, 06:55:21 PM
DKshadow commented on the first video and then the comment was all of a sudden disappeared. That says a lot doesn't it?

Happened to me too.
And he blocked me.
And he calls us dogmatist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 05, 2013, 03:08:19 PM
Mark Hayden is at it again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJEjysvdwqE

Oh the stupid! IT BURNS!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 05, 2013, 03:36:19 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 05, 2013, 03:08:19 PM
Mark Hayden is at it again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJEjysvdwqE

Oh the stupid! IT BURNS!!

>accusing libertarians of being racist

Stopped watching there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 05, 2013, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: D on February 05, 2013, 03:36:19 PM
>accusing libertarians of being racist

Stopped watching there.

Jim Crow LAW

Fugitive Slave ACT

;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 05, 2013, 08:07:45 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/537771_342355922544521_342370345_n.jpg)

God damnit, Eric Trap.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 05, 2013, 10:18:11 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 05, 2013, 08:07:45 PM
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God damnit, Eric Trap.

never-mind the fact that diseases in Africa are actually from both: lack of vaccines means Polio, various poxes and fevers, etc. are rampant.

lack of education means AIDS is a serious problem, with the literal "rape culture" practiced by some Africans (partly war, partly culture) exacerbating the situation (e.g. 70% or less of Liberian women have been raped: some southern African countries have 40% of the people with AIDS or are HIV positive in general).

lack of food also creates problems, but it mostly exacerbates them. same with lack of hygiene and clean running water.

and of course, they all have one thing in common: their governments were always involved--and usually the UN is too. but that is another story.

(incidentally, I'm debating the merits of making a video about the UN and mercenaries: people may not like what I have to say, and being a small channel, it may not gain traction--the former is no problem, the latter, is. yet I feel people need to know the truth about the UN's role in Africa, and the real nature of the PMC's that work, or have worked, there).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 05, 2013, 11:18:22 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 05, 2013, 08:07:45 PM
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God damnit, Eric Trap.

I love how it's either/or. Like eating a good diet and vaccines are somehow mutually exclusive. Like people giving vaccines in Africa are arguing that people in Africa shouldn't get more nutritious food or better plumbing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 05, 2013, 11:42:56 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/544605_473016276080563_1393507422_n.jpg)

But of course when Republicans say the exact same thing about women in combat it's sexist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 06, 2013, 12:54:34 AM
Quote from: Goaticus on February 05, 2013, 11:42:56 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/544605_473016276080563_1393507422_n.jpg)

But of course when Republicans say the exact same thing about women in combat it's sexist.

Oh the stupidity of Feinstein.

*Head desk* x100

She makes me ashamed to be Californian.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 07, 2013, 04:24:43 PM
Leland Yee is a typical politician who simply ignores and denies evidence that goes against his political opinion.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 07, 2013, 05:03:20 PM
Quote from: D on February 07, 2013, 04:24:43 PM
Leland Yee is a typical politician who simply ignores and denies evidence that goes against his political opinion.

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Another Californian?

*Head Desk* x200
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 07, 2013, 06:36:47 PM
When I presented the logical conclusion of gun control (prohbiting them to the police and military) I got this gem.


Quotewe'll just fight wars with paintball guns from now on
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 07, 2013, 09:02:38 PM
Quote from: tnu on February 07, 2013, 06:36:47 PM
When I presented the logical conclusion of gun control (prohbiting them to the police and military) I got this gem.

that would be an improvement.

EDIT: assuming both sides have only paintballs.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 08, 2013, 12:04:44 AM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/538119_262056187261010_920839270_n.jpg)

Anyone who voted yes on this can go fuck themselves.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 08, 2013, 12:33:11 AM
Quote from: D on February 08, 2013, 12:04:44 AM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/538119_262056187261010_920839270_n.jpg)

Anyone who voted yes on this can go fuck themselves.

And bless the ones who said no.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 08, 2013, 04:00:00 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 01, 2013, 02:41:59 AM
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"This seems a mishmash of internally inconsistent arguments. Folk- "public choice" reasoning doesn't achieve what you think it does. Saying 'Regulation X' failed to achieve 'Y' doesn't impugn 'Regulation' as such. The salient matter is the SPECIFIC institutional structures that govern political or market relationships. Hand waiving, "people choose government too" is a red herring, and indicative of the real reason why hardcore libertarian prescriptions aren't taken seriously in policy circles. "
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 08, 2013, 02:55:40 PM
dv wfwewfe strikes again

QuoteREPUBLICANS:
RIGHT WING GUN NUTS, NEOCONS, DELUSIONAL, ANTI-SCIENCE, FANATICS, EXTREMISTS, DERANGED, PARANOID, CONSPIRACY THEORY LUNATICS, INTOLERANCE, ANTI-WOMEN, ANTI-CHOICE, ANTI-MINORITIES, VOTER SUPPRESSION, ENVIRONMENTAL POLLUTION, SEGREGATION SOUTH, INEPT, IGNORANT, UNEDUCATED, DEMOGRAPHICALLY DOOMED, HILLBILLIES, MISINFORMED, SARAH PALIN, WARMONGERS, HALLIBURTON,TEA PARTY FILTH, OBSTRUCTIONISTS, PARTY OF NO, FAUX NOOSE BRAINWASHED LEMMINGS, NRA, GOP(GUNS OVER PEOPLE), BULLIES, HYPOCRITES

Right, and the Democrats are so much better than them and guilty of none of these?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 08, 2013, 04:51:05 PM
What in Celesita is Halliburton?  I have heard that term several times of late and I hasve no clue what it means.

Also, to keep this post on topic. Mark Hayden presents us with THIS little gem on Jacob Spinney's response to that one video.




QuoteI'm not spineless. Just don't like filth on my channel. Dirty little libertards. Some of you are closet pedophiles. Don't lie now.

I asked him to back up his claim. Let's see where that gets me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 08, 2013, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: tnu on February 08, 2013, 04:51:05 PM
What in Celesita is Halliburton?  I have heard that term several times of late and I hasve no clue what it means.

it's a good thing I'm around to answer that:

Halliburton is an Oilfield service company. It's based in Houston and Dubai. Been applying to that place lately for work, but no one is willing to talk: a lot of entry level Geologists go there, among other places. (that makes the 15th company to tell me in effect to go fuck myself).

It also happens to hire mercenaries to protect it's assets (normal, if controversial), and is in bed with govco (really bad)....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 09, 2013, 01:18:04 AM
Quote from: D on February 08, 2013, 12:04:44 AM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/538119_262056187261010_920839270_n.jpg)

Anyone who voted yes on this can go fuck themselves.

http://ktla.com/2013/02/08/women-delivering-newspapers-in-torrance-shot-in-manhunt-for-ex-cop/#axzz2KNcD7A1y (http://ktla.com/2013/02/08/women-delivering-newspapers-in-torrance-shot-in-manhunt-for-ex-cop/#axzz2KNcD7A1y)

Story about police shooting a 71 year old woman in the manhunt for Chris Dorner and they shot up another car. I bet MSNBC's viewers will be thrilled when they can call in drone strikes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 09, 2013, 09:18:58 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-obsessive-weirdos-who-made-world-better-place/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 09, 2013, 09:47:41 AM
Quote from: VectorM on February 09, 2013, 09:18:58 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-obsessive-weirdos-who-made-world-better-place/


Oh god #4
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 09, 2013, 09:50:40 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 08, 2013, 10:25:33 PM
it's a good thing I'm around to answer that:

Halliburton is an Oilfield service company. It's based in Houston and Dubai. Been applying to that place lately for work, but no one is willing to talk: a lot of entry level Geologists go there, among other places. (that makes the 15th company to tell me in effect to go fuck myself).

It also happens to hire mercenaries to protect it's assets (normal, if controversial), and is in bed with govco (really bad)....

Do the mercenaries Haliburton hires actually function as more than more expensive, better armed security guards for places with a higher threat index than normal security guards are appropriate for?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 09, 2013, 05:15:29 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on February 09, 2013, 09:50:40 AM
Do the mercenaries Haliburton hires actually function as more than more expensive, better armed security guards for places with a higher threat index than normal security guards are appropriate for?


they are more than glorified security guards: otherwise they'd be of little use in a war-zone like Iraq. Many tend to be ex-soldiers, and they're equipment tends to be military, though considering their duties, they aren't always dressed in camos. their main job is to guard the convoys of trucks, supplies, and staff for the oilfields. they also IIRC tend to get sent to protect the fields themselves, as well as the pipelines. they are indirectly hired though, as the "Baghdad incident" testifies to: the drivers aren't allowed firearms, so initially the national guard would escort them: I'll leave you to figure out how well that worked out.

and I would hardly call them expensive--for Halliburton anyways: they're certainly cheaper...though whether they're as good as Executive Outcomes was, depends on the company. part of the reason is that Halliburton is in bed with Govco, so the US government helps them with the whole protection deal (mercs and army too).


(for those of you who don't know, EO was probably, while it was around, the world's best argument against the idea that standing armies are needed. or the UN....or governments in general. they're the people I mentioned I was going to make a video about, to point out how good the UN really is (not at all).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 09, 2013, 06:23:26 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 09, 2013, 05:15:29 PM

they are more than glorified security guards: otherwise they'd be of little use in a war-zone like Iraq. Many tend to be ex-soldiers, and they're equipment tends to be military, though considering their duties, they aren't always dressed in camos. their main job is to guard the convoys of trucks, supplies, and staff for the oilfields. they also IIRC tend to get sent to protect the fields themselves, as well as the pipelines. they are indirectly hired though, as the "Baghdad incident" testifies to: the drivers aren't allowed firearms, so initially the national guard would escort them: I'll leave you to figure out how well that worked out.

and I would hardly call them expensive--for Halliburton anyways: they're certainly cheaper...though whether they're as good as Executive Outcomes was, depends on the company. part of the reason is that Halliburton is in bed with Govco, so the US government helps them with the whole protection deal (mercs and army too).


(for those of you who don't know, EO was probably, while it was around, the world's best argument against the idea that standing armies are needed. or the UN....or governments in general. they're the people I mentioned I was going to make a video about, to point out how good the UN really is (not at all).


Executive Outcomes was the last group of actual mercenaries.

They stopped the RUF in Sierra Leone, dead in their tracks, with only a hundred men.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 09, 2013, 06:48:32 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 09, 2013, 06:23:26 PM
Executive Outcomes was the last group of actual mercenaries.

They stopped the RUF in Sierra Leone, dead in their tracks, with only a hundred men.

that's what I was referring to. 17,000 UN soldiers could never manage to do what those guys did: the RUF was back to wreaking havoc within weeks of EO leaving, the UN totally helpless.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 09, 2013, 08:02:12 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/560013_364978890276374_682133496_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 10, 2013, 03:34:16 PM
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To quote the great scholar known as the Iron Sheik, "FUCK DA CHRIS ROCK! NO GOOD PIECE OF SHIT!"

Somehow I seriously doubt he would be calling Bush, "The boss" and "dad."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 10, 2013, 05:40:40 PM
talk about Stefan Molyneux's analogy of government as a surrogate father being taken literally.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 11, 2013, 08:29:41 AM
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This video isn't necessarily the fail but this response is. When somebody jokinlgy said "Let's declare war on Keynesia!" somebody came back with this gem.




QuoteYou mean the economic philosophy that ended the Great Depression with the new deal? The one that helped capitalism win by inserting a large dose of socialism? Amerikkka was near revolution and IMHO should've gone for revolution but instead the US got a few social programs to help guide it out of depression. Would've been better off rejecting capitalism completely as it kills people.



Oh THIS is good! I posted this comment on one of Sam Seder's videos (fucking smug arrogent asshole)) In response to his claim that "taxation is a choice since you can  choose to not pay and go  to jail instead"

QuoteOh yes and you have a CHOICE to not pay a mugger or protection racket and get shot, stabbed, or beaten.

and I get THIS response from itsazy.



QuoteExactly... These Libertards are so stupid. Do they not realise that if they give their money to the mugger, that they are now responsible for the mugger's actions in the future?

It's the same with the people who give protection money to the mafia... They should choose to get whacked instead, because otherwise they're responsible for everything the mafia does.

Of course I'm not sure if i'm reading it rihgt btu to me it sounds like he's saying the guy gettign shaken down for protection money or mugged should choose to be assaulted/murdered.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 12, 2013, 05:27:00 PM
A friend of mine. He's a libertarian, but he threw this out there that I thought was pretty big fail:
QuoteHello. Your friendly neighborhood gun-rights advocate here.

Can we please STOP with the "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" bullshit and just admit that guns DO in fact kill? Because they do. Guns kill a LOT of people. When your argument against gun control is that "HURRRRR DURRRRR if guns kill people then spoons make people fat", then you've lost the debate and you're probably mentally incapable of handing a firearm in the first place.

Guns. Kill. People. And that's precisely WHY I want access to them. Guns kill intruders. Guns kill rapists. Guns kill muggers. And push comes to shove, guns kill an overreaching government.

Protect your rights. Protect your property. But playing semantic games with the opposition just makes you look like a babbling hick.

Thank you :)

He's completely missing the point of why people say that. People use that argument because of the double standard placed with guns. For example, if police use guns to take down a violent criminal, people don't praise the gun for taking the person out, instead they praise the officers for their actions. On the flip side, if some lunatic uses a gun to shoot people, they then call for legislation to ban guns and claim that it is the gun's fault for killing people. The fact of the matter is, guns are not capable of thought or moving on their own, and that's why it is stupid to praise or blame guns when something good happens and why only the intention of use should be looked at. By their very own logic, spoons can be blamed for making people fat.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 13, 2013, 11:00:31 AM
and itsazy strikes again. When I calle dhim out on his logic he had this to say.


QuoteYOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAFIA'S WHACKING IF YOU GIVE INTO THEIR THREATS. STUPID LIBERTARIAN.

Fairly easy to counter. I just pointed out howh e's responsible for drone strieks on innocent people. The failed wars on terror and drugs with no end in sight, et al.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 14, 2013, 07:32:21 PM
Temerit strikes again.


QuoteEgalitarian ethical theories have plenty strong arguments to back them up, far strong that that of libertarian ones.

For reference.

http://168.144.87.33/~alestan/view.php?post=74080

I'm not usre where libertarianism factors in he just likes attacking it as being far inferior to his pet social democracy.


"sigh" posted a simple question on fringelements latest video asking how his idea of forced segregation fit in to the non aggression axiom. I got this comment from a user.

QuoteThe thing is that ALL property norms are coercive.

The question is what you want to use violence to defend.

I want to defend a genetic pool which is capable of upholding liberal Western standards.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 15, 2013, 09:19:32 PM
Not a quote, but after watching Shane's reupload of How to Fix Healthcare Without Spending a Dime youtube recommended I watch some video with some delusional person claiming that some humming sound was heard all over the world and it was coming from HAARP and foretold the coming of the Apocalypse.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 16, 2013, 03:29:11 AM
 
Quotefringeelements 1 day ago

Well I'm going to come out and say something that you won't like at all. And that is that I want a country for my race as an end in itself. I don't want it just as an end for libertarianism, though it does help that and that is a great bonus.

But I would rather have a white-only statist society than a multiracial libertarian society. I have changed in this regard.

and, why i'm at it. This whole channel.

http://www.youtube.com/user/samseder
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 16, 2013, 05:03:57 PM
as if you needed more evidence the guy is seriously messed up in his principles.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 16, 2013, 06:02:12 PM
Who? Fringe or SamSeder?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 16, 2013, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 16, 2013, 06:02:12 PM
Who? Fringe or SamSeder?

Fringe.

he's willing to kick liberty onto the curve, so he can live his segregationist wet dream.

at least Seder is consistent with his principles--even if they're those of a tool, which he is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 16, 2013, 11:30:02 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 16, 2013, 10:29:10 PM
Fringe.

he's willing to kick liberty onto the curve, so he can live his segregationist wet dream.

at least Seder is consistent with his principles--even if they're those of a tool, which he is.

:shrug: Well I guess even us libertarians have some kooky dudes. Like the anti vaxxers or the NWO conspiracy/Alex Jones supporters. 

One question. How does he get positive ratings and comments on his video on race?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 16, 2013, 11:44:26 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 16, 2013, 11:30:02 PM
:shrug: Well I guess even us libertarians have some kooky dudes. Like the anti vaxxers or the NWO conspiracy/Alex Jones supporters. 

One question. How does he get positive ratings and comments on his video on race?

he attracts people like him I guess.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 17, 2013, 06:09:33 AM
Ugh yeah, we have two fans of his on a baord I frequent. I just can't reconcile the fact that this makes the three of htem effectively collectivist and yet they still apperently identify as libertarians.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 17, 2013, 10:54:00 AM
Quote from: tnu on February 17, 2013, 06:09:33 AM
Ugh yeah, we have two fans of his on a baord I frequent. I just can't reconcile the fact that this makes the three of htem effectively collectivist and yet they still apperently identify as libertarians.

It isn't just the racists, either.  TheTruePooka (who's about as anti-libertarian as it gets) demands that he's a real Libertarian and anyone who corrects him is a troll and a sock of the only person he accepts doesn't agree with him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 17, 2013, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 16, 2013, 11:30:02 PM
:shrug: Well I guess even us libertarians have some kooky dudes. Like the anti vaxxers or the NWO conspiracy/Alex Jones supporters. 

One question. How does he get positive ratings and comments on his video on race?

Fringe has never been a Libertarian and he gets positive ratings because his videos are promoted on neo-nazi sites.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 17, 2013, 02:33:53 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on February 17, 2013, 01:39:25 PM
Fringe has never been a Libertarian and he gets positive ratings because his videos are promoted on neo-nazi sites.

Well I guess we can call him a fiscal libertarian at the least.

About his good ratings. I have a suspicion that he could be blocking users or deleting negative comments to give the illusion of overwhelming positive feedback. Like a lot of creationists and religious science idiots who block and delete comments or use the "comments pending approval" feature.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 17, 2013, 04:43:01 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 17, 2013, 02:33:53 PM
Well I guess we can call him a fiscal libertarian at the least.

About his good ratings. I have a suspicion that he could be blocking users or deleting negative comments to give the illusion of overwhelming positive feedback. Like a lot of creationists and religious science idiots who block and delete comments or use the "comments pending approval" feature.

I wouldn't even call him a fiscal libertarian since he started off as a white nationalist and then did his confederal socialist nonsense. Now he claims the only difference between Republicans and Libertarians is unimportant social stuff and given the fiscal nonsense they support it would be hard to call that Libertarian.

That's not counting the 90% of the stuff he says that fails the Turing test.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 17, 2013, 04:51:39 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on February 17, 2013, 10:54:00 AM
It isn't just the racists, either.  TheTruePooka (who's about as anti-libertarian as it gets) demands that he's a real Libertarian and anyone who corrects him is a troll and a sock of the only person he accepts doesn't agree with him.

true pooka can be a pretentious ass, I'll give you that.

wait, nvrmnd: he is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 18, 2013, 08:25:06 AM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/559695_10151305920698517_1697134293_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 18, 2013, 02:38:00 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20299_5-depressing-realities-behind-popular-reality-tv-shows_p2.html

As if I needed more reasons to hate that stupid cunt Oprah.

Edit: Shite, this was for the Fav quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 18, 2013, 06:24:56 PM
I only made it 2 minutes in when I was hit with such incredible fail I knew it wasn't worth bothering with:

[yt]c3lXdW3WCVs[/yt]

Someone else have at him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 18, 2013, 08:43:10 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 18, 2013, 06:24:56 PM
I only made it 2 minutes in when I was hit with such incredible fail I knew it wasn't worth bothering with:

[yt]c3lXdW3WCVs[/yt]

Someone else have at him.

Argggh!!! The Stupid. IT BURNS!!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 18, 2013, 09:30:54 PM
He mentions at one point in the video how he doesn't want his tax dollars to be used when people sue companies for giving them shitty drugs. Just shows you how governemtn involvement in one area can completely fuck up something else. Like how people will say that government should be able control your body, if it pays your medical bills (like it or not)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 20, 2013, 04:16:28 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 20, 2013, 08:19:06 AM
Quote from: tnu on February 20, 2013, 04:16:28 AM
[yt]rCOUmWAiqvY[/yt]

[yt]YPVHdQD5E3c[/yt]

OK, those are what he meant.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 20, 2013, 12:36:31 PM
Anti-abortion (https://www.facebook.com/ShitStatistsSay/posts/399500723478502?comment_id=2234564&notif_t=feed_comment_reply) libertarians irritate the shit out of me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 20, 2013, 05:13:55 PM
"I have a concordance of the Bible too, the word chwg is not in the Bible, it's not even a valid English word." —YouTube user KingJamesBible (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=6gISyHRR1RU)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 20, 2013, 06:20:19 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 20, 2013, 05:13:55 PM
"I have a concordance of the Bible too, the word chwg is not in the Bible, it's not even a valid English word." —YouTube user KingJamesBible (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=6gISyHRR1RU)

well, it's Hebrew. and it's "Chuwg", not "Chwg". dwr is actually "duwr" or "dur". what you wrote was a direct transliteration of the written words. sur eyou knew it, but it has to be clear to others.

it's worth pointing out though that the meanings you provide aren't exact: "Duwr" doesn't necessarily mean sphere: it simply refers to anything round, since it's used to refer to the encirclement of cities in the Old testament (how many ball shaped cities do you know?). Arabic is vary similar in that respect (only we call it "Dawr(ah)", to go round would be "daara" (lit. "he went around", we don't have an infinitive.).

Chuwg though is more clear: it refers to any curved objected, in the sense of coins, rainbows, and circles (shapewise). it clearly indicates the belief that the earth was basically a slightly convex circle.

Not unlike pre-islamic Arabian*, or Babylonian beliefs actually.

*the more educated people would have known better, getting their input from Greek or Persian sources, both of whom correctly identified the Earth as a sphere.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 20, 2013, 07:00:00 PM
A commenter on The Skeptical Libertarian's post (https://www.facebook.com/SkepticalLibertarian/posts/559501244067689) about gay marriage:
Quote from: Sean HarteauFrom my understanding marriage is for the protection of a child so that he can be nurtured by a mother and father until adulthood. Two dads can't breast feed. Two moms don't provide father figures.

So apparently even straight couples who choose not to have children are doing it wrong.

Oh my god this guy is just...wow.
QuoteI don't view it as a ban. I view it as the government not recognizing a relationship status.
How about secular straight couples who don't believe in marriage? They don't get government benefits or tax exemptions. Gay couples are being treated as single people and I don't hear single people crying.

Why should gay people get special treatment for their lifestyle choice but not single people?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 20, 2013, 08:04:37 PM
as usual me in blue and the fail in red.

Or we could, I don't know. STOP assuming the president has some moral superiority or inherent right to murder others altogether. Let's assume you're right though. All things being equal, Am I allowed to murder the president and be shielded from any consequences?

False equivalence.

If he murdered your family then it would be a similar position. But in that case he would be brought to justice, so you wouldn't have to worry about killing him (that's how a legal system works).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 20, 2013, 08:11:56 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 20, 2013, 06:20:19 PM
well, it's Hebrew. and it's "Chuwg", not "Chwg". dwr is actually "duwr" or "dur".

Biblical Hebrew doesn't use vowels.

Quote"Duwr" doesn't necessarily mean sphere: it simply refers to anything round,

True, but the point is that it COULD refer to a sphere, and so if Isaiah had known the correct shape of the Earth that word would have been available to him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 20, 2013, 09:21:54 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 20, 2013, 08:11:56 PM
Biblical Hebrew doesn't use vowels.

if you mean the writing system Biblical Hebrew was recorded in, you'd be right: the vowels were and are unwritten--only the consonants. I spelled it with vowels as it would be if it was written using the Latin/Greek style (with vowels).

Quote from: MrBogosity on February 20, 2013, 08:11:56 PMTrue, but the point is that it COULD refer to a sphere, and so if Isaiah had known the correct shape of the Earth that word would have been available to him.

no disagreement there: my addition was in case the guy you're arguing (or anyone else), ends up seizing on this (seeming) incomplete definition: I've had it happen to me. it doesn't change the fact that the Bible describes the Earth as a disk, and that "dwr/Dur" would be the word most likely used.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 21, 2013, 01:26:12 AM
In the comments of this video.

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QuotekRudAres 2 days ago

It's a figure of speech. I don't think I'd actually spit in his face. Anyhow, I'm not a statist I'm what you call an actual anarchist. The NAP and capitalist or market property relations cannot co-exist. As Proudhon showed property is theft and theft by it's very nature is coercion. Just becuase you people advocate a decentralized for profit means of coercion doesn't make you any less statist than normal capitalists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 21, 2013, 07:08:50 AM
Quote from: tnu on February 21, 2013, 01:26:12 AM
QuoteAs Proudhon showed property is theft and theft by it's very nature is coercion.

Even Karl Marx understood that was bogus and self-contradictory: theft is the forceful taking of property, so if property is theft, then there would have to be some form of property already existing in order to be stolen. The explanation of where property comes from cannot itself be based on property that exists before then, so saying "property is theft" is the exact same kind of Special Pleading that theists commit when they say "Everything needs to have a cause, so God caused everything." So, God caused God? Property is theft of property?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 21, 2013, 01:31:00 PM
Anything from this channel is worthy of fail quotes, but this is just so bad it is downright hilarious.
[yt]55ml0ZkqiyE&[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 21, 2013, 02:39:16 PM
Quote from: D on February 21, 2013, 01:31:00 PM
Anything from this channel is worthy of fail quotes, but this is just so bad it is downright hilarious.
[yt]55ml0ZkqiyE&[/yt]

Are you SURE it's not a parody?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 21, 2013, 04:22:29 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 21, 2013, 02:39:16 PM
Are you SURE it's not a parody?

I wish it were. There are tons of other hilariously major fail videos on there as well.

[yt]33dmUMeGiR0[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 21, 2013, 07:06:07 PM
This has already been discussed, but do you get extra fail when real life outdoes The Onion?

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/542630_584613684890839_858588982_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on February 21, 2013, 07:08:36 PM
Quote from: D on February 21, 2013, 01:31:00 PM
Anything from this channel is worthy of fail quotes, but this is just so bad it is downright hilarious.
[yt]55ml0ZkqiyE&[/yt]

Does this go the other way too? Can I press charges if my Rottweiler tries to slobber the crap out of me in my sleep or if I'm intoxicated?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 21, 2013, 07:38:19 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on February 21, 2013, 07:08:36 PM
Does this go the other way too? Can I press charges if my Rottweiler tries to slobber the crap out of me in my sleep or if I'm intoxicated?

Don't you know asking questions like that means you're pro-cuddle rape?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 23, 2013, 04:53:16 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 23, 2013, 04:16:21 PM
I like how he asks "please do no vote according to whether you agree with this video".

like: asshole, you realize that in light of the subject, and the arguments within, that people will hate your video? rightly so too I might add?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 23, 2013, 07:04:38 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/533012_414211138668866_329795710_n.png)

>mfw

[yt]_n5E7feJHw0[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 23, 2013, 09:42:19 PM
QuoteI believe in the principle of greatest equal liberty, which is compatible with sacrificing the liberty of the ultra-wealthy in order to achieve some level of equality.

Oh Temerit. I wonde rif he even notices the contrediction in this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 24, 2013, 06:43:09 PM
Posted that story about Oklahoma refusing to fail students who claim that dinosaurs and humans co-existed on another forum and I got this stupid remark.

Quote from: DMRWell the reason they are passing this law because the aren't sure anymore because there is evidence and human error because we don't know what dinos exactly look like read this.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=2416 (http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=2416)
Evil gaara to quote the bible all animals and humans were made together in a six day period so in the bible they did co-exist
This guy gives a good argument: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080620161223AAm1e72 (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080620161223AAm1e72) http://scienceray.com/earth-sciences/paleontology/did-humans-and-dinosaurs-co-exist/2/ (http://scienceray.com/earth-sciences/paleontology/did-humans-and-dinosaurs-co-exist/2/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 25, 2013, 10:29:41 PM
My friend Xhin pointed out to Temerit the nature and problems of forced "charity" and he had this to say.


QuoteForced charity is aimed at fulfilling obligations of justice. It is not meaningless and it is much more effective than charity.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 26, 2013, 12:27:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idAz7mFKPrc

Oh my I have a big headache. These conspiracy theorists are lunatics of the highest order. Oh and the Comments Pending Approval feature is used in the video. Shows how much of a spine these guys have when facing criticism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 26, 2013, 03:41:49 PM
Quote from: D on February 24, 2013, 06:43:09 PM
Posted that story about Oklahoma refusing to fail students who claim that dinosaurs and humans co-existed on another forum and I got this stupid remark.

yeah, this guy's an idiot.

the paper I don't even need to discuss: the science in it is non-existent, and it shows.

the yahoo answer leaves out the fact that the leviathan has testicles clearly visible--an impossibility with dinosaurs, whose testes were and are internal.

basically, yeah, they're quote mining the bible. some Christians they are...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 27, 2013, 10:11:13 PM
QuoteThe NAP is concerned with the initiation of force. However, I don't really see property rights as being objective, so I find it hard to believe in an objective initiation of force.


This is from somebody who otherwise identifies herself as a libertarian.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 01, 2013, 03:06:48 PM
I can't embed facebook videos here, so I'll just provide a link:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151472361104587&set=vb.167572816451&type=2&theater

For those who don't want to bother watching, basically this moron is insisting that without a piece of paper by the government that says, "We approve of you handling hair," you could die!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 01, 2013, 03:13:12 PM
Quote from: D on March 01, 2013, 03:06:48 PM
I can't embed facebook videos here, so I'll just provide a link:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151472361104587&set=vb.167572816451&type=2&theater

For those who don't want to bother watching, basically this moron is insisting that without a piece of paper by the government that says, "We approve of you handling hair," you could die!

well, unless the person is a spastic or has parkinsons or tourettes, I do not see how hairdressing is a deadly affair.

unless he's seriously insinuating that we need people with those conditions to cut people's hair.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 01, 2013, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on March 01, 2013, 03:13:12 PM
well, unless the person is a spastic or has parkinsons or tourettes, I do not see how hairdressing is a deadly affair.

unless he's seriously insinuating that we need people with those conditions to cut people's hair.

It's a she, and according to her logic, I should have died several times within the past 24 years of my life.

My grandmother has almost always cut my hair and she was never licensed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 01, 2013, 05:32:22 PM
Quote from: D on March 01, 2013, 03:20:40 PM
It's a she, and according to her logic, I should have died several times within the past 24 years of my life.

My grandmother has almost always cut my hair and she was never licensed.

yeah, I didn't pay attention XD

yeah, Mom does it these days: several unlicensed barbers in Kuwait did it--for about 5 dollars in today's money (~1 dinar): heck, the best one was some Bengali or Indian fellow (I forget exactly which): a chic cut in less than 20 minutes, using nothing but scissors and manual razors. And he wasn't AFAIK licensed, or even went to a special school.

EDIT: actually, maybe she'd be horrified to learn that every year, 1-2 million people get/got their hair shorn off by a regiment of unlicensed people for about 1-3 dollars a shave, over a period of a few days, in a barren Hijazi town they call Makkah....(which, in case you (plural) were living under a rock, is where Muslims perform Pilgrimage).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 03, 2013, 01:26:38 AM
QuoteWell there aren't near enough living wage jobs to go around. Looks like the market has failed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on March 03, 2013, 09:54:27 AM
Sometimes I wonder about who is in control of the LP facebook page
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/225517_10151463461487726_1987502471_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 03, 2013, 07:49:22 PM
xESOTERIC in the comments of the youtube upload (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_ouKziujEM) of today's podcast:

QuoteI abhor our current govt and military endeavors and agendas, but fully support conscription(conceptually, at any rate).

QuoteBe brief. Then you're not establishing the "govt" as a separate entity just an aggregation oriented toward communal agendas. This will have many benefits. Develop individual identity as integral unity of whole, which makes for better societal cooperation than externally established compulsion. Units will impart personal perspectives on whole. Provide structure, orientation, life skills to individuals, etc. Not accepting the bill you outlined specifically, of course. Character limits -.-

QuoteLong story short: Many could use the skills, structure and direction, and many others could use the reality check and made aware that those "beneath them" are people as well, many with comparable or superior aptitudes.

Slavery: It builds character.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 04, 2013, 04:06:31 AM
he's obviously a subscriber to the Jeff Davis theory of society. If the slaves were the youth of the US....

"the draft is a civilizing force to these poor youths who can't think for themselves"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 04, 2013, 06:53:37 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 06, 2013, 02:28:13 PM
"Lysander Spooner was a socialist."

Hey, moron, being an anarchist does not make you a socialist, The guy wanted to privatize the mail industry.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 07, 2013, 01:00:58 AM
I like what stewart said until the preschool part. Ugh.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/stewart-applauds-rand-paul-for-using-filibuster-over-drones-issue-worth-kicking-up-a-fuss-for/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 07, 2013, 07:50:43 AM
Quote from: D on March 04, 2013, 06:53:37 AM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/313874_282765688520827_600459431_n.jpg)

There are, apparently, a substantial number of deaf people who make such claims.

Their argument is based on the fact that, as a linguistically distinct group, deaf people are a cultural minority and they claim cybernetic replacement of damaged or missing hearing organs to restore or create the ability to hear is an attack on their existence as a cultural group.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 07, 2013, 10:48:25 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 07, 2013, 01:00:58 AM
I like what stewart said until the preschool part. Ugh.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/stewart-applauds-rand-paul-for-using-filibuster-over-drones-issue-worth-kicking-up-a-fuss-for/

Yeah, that was awful. "But you're supposed to move up to 4th grade then!" Talk about missing the point! How can he be so intelligent and yet totally fail to understand the significance of the fact that, by 3rd grade, there is no way to discern academically which students went to Head Start and which ones didn't?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 07, 2013, 10:49:31 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 07, 2013, 07:50:43 AM
There are, apparently, a substantial number of deaf people who make such claims.

Their argument is based on the fact that, as a linguistically distinct group, deaf people are a cultural minority and they claim cybernetic replacement of damaged or missing hearing organs to restore or create the ability to hear is an attack on their existence as a cultural group.

Like you were trying to lighten the skin of black people or something.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 07, 2013, 12:45:08 PM
^^
The weirdest part of the tribalist mentality.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 07, 2013, 11:46:31 PM
[yt]XPPm4885DVo&lc=JHCdYhuuV_SzAzroRAnr4TRvvlHA9ojvvRvK6xsDy4I[/yt]

Get a load of SirEdomiteSlayerCBE.  He's on a roll
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 08, 2013, 12:13:00 AM
QuoteI've talked to many people from around the world (one of the perks of being an internet junky. Lots of friends from everywhere) what their thoughts are on the U.S. trying to ban assault rifles. Many of their answers went along the lines of, "Well I wouldn't/don't support a weapons ban here where I live. But if I lived in the U.S. ......yeah, you fuckers are too dumb to carry assault weapons."

Ya, cause we should care what the rest of the world thinks.

QuoteWhen it comes to the point of this conversation, the only people that matter as to how the country is shaped, and therefor what it is, would be the ones who can make a difference, and so far the vast majority of people who make a difference in this country are the dumbass, misguided fuckholes because they're the only ones babyish enough to scream and the top of their lungs and get heard, so when another country calls us a bunch of dumbass, misguided fuckholes, I'm inclined to say that they're point of view is pretty valid. Every 1st world country has dumbass, misguided fuckholes in them, but nowhere do they get the sort of sway that they have here. This country has been defined by childish foot stompers while the smarter adults sit back and politely say, "Um, excuse me, my point of view is that....hm? Oh sure, I can wait."

This kind of reasoning really pisses me off. Just comes off incredibly mean and spiteful.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on March 09, 2013, 11:32:43 PM
Friend of mine has been playing some MMORPG and apparently the guild leader has to approve all trades so that they're "fair." This is what the guild leader said after he started saying why a free market approach would be better
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/426451_4280038173179_2130457864_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 10, 2013, 07:09:42 PM
Watch, I give that guy 1 week before you start seeing his g/f getting approvals nobody else could hope to get.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 10, 2013, 08:40:07 PM
So this exists...

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/417392_490870374307357_1537507964_n.png)

EDIT: Turns out this is a fake and is making fun of the bullshit articles that Kotaku does post.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 11, 2013, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: D on March 10, 2013, 08:40:07 PM
So this exists...

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/417392_490870374307357_1537507964_n.png)

EDIT: Turns out this is a fake and is making fun of the bullshit articles that Kotaku does post.

Where is this from?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 11, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
Quote from: VectorM on March 11, 2013, 01:48:23 PM
Where is this from?

I found the screencap on Facebook. Like I said though, it turned out to be a fake. Though there ARE real Kotaku articles that are very much worthy of Fail Quotes.

Male Privilege (http://kotaku.com/male-privilege/).
Male Privilege 2 (http://kotaku.com/5873885/nerds-and-male-privilege-part-2-deconstructing-the-arguments)
Straight White Male = Lowest Difficulty Setting (http://kotaku.com/5910857/straight-white-male-the-lowest-difficulty-setting-there-is)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 11, 2013, 10:29:50 PM
Quote from: D on March 11, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
I found the screencap on Facebook. Like I said though, it turned out to be a fake. Though there ARE real Kotaku articles that are very much worthy of Fail Quotes.

Male Privilege (http://kotaku.com/male-privilege/).
Male Privilege 2 (http://kotaku.com/5873885/nerds-and-male-privilege-part-2-deconstructing-the-arguments)
Straight White Male = Lowest Difficulty Setting (http://kotaku.com/5910857/straight-white-male-the-lowest-difficulty-setting-there-is)

Good lord, those are painful.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 12, 2013, 11:54:06 AM
The fuck is the last link even doing on a gaming website? No wonder I never liked that site, ever.

Can I write and article, where I compare black people to those raging kids playing CoD online and all other gaming trolls? Clearly, that group is just terrible, look at them statistics!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 13, 2013, 05:00:49 PM
http://www.governmentisgood.com/
I wish this was a parody site.  It's real.

a sample:

"Why a website defending government?  Because, like many Americans, I am tired of the government bashing that is constantly coming from the political right." --1st sentence on the main page's intro.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 14, 2013, 06:41:04 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on March 13, 2013, 05:00:49 PM
http://www.governmentisgood.com/
I wish this was a parody site.  It's real.

a sample:

"Why a website defending government?  Because, like many Americans, I am tired of the government bashing that is constantly coming from the political right." --1st sentence on the main page's intro.

I watched one of this boozo's video

here is the link

[yt]FHDVCZp83pY[/yt]

The fail in this is off the charts

Oh and by the way, on the video, there is the

"Comments may be held for uploader approval."

Cowardice at it's best
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on March 15, 2013, 02:24:42 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on March 14, 2013, 06:41:04 PM
Oh and by the way, on the video, there is the

"Comments may be held for uploader approval."

Cowardice at it's best

It's not just cowardice (though it is that), the guy's doing nothing but making a brush to stroke his ego. Almost all of the comments are just praises for the video, and the top two comments are responses to messages which have since been removed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 15, 2013, 10:28:54 PM
I like Lew Rockwell...sometimes.

This is not one of those times:
QuoteDaylight savings time is just another government gimmick. First introduced during WWI as "war time," it does not save daylight nor extend it, of course. But it did, hoped our rulers, help train the populace for obedience. Politicians and bureaucrats so love giving orders, like "Change your watch now!" This causes sleep troubles, but that must give them pleasure. And in its most recent, most outrageous incarnation, it's a product of George W. Bush and the GOP congress. I sympathize with a friend who wrote, "As another act of personal secession, I'm staying on standard time. Live by the sun, not the sons of b******."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 16, 2013, 07:02:55 AM
Seems Piers Morgan isn't just a fail when it comes to guns

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(EDIT: Seems Gumba Masta isn't just a fail when it comes to embedding. :P --MrB)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 16, 2013, 12:48:52 PM
[yt]TV4U_FDUI6M[/yt]

This Everett Dort guy in the comments, wow.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 16, 2013, 04:56:48 PM
It's a Templar conspiracy I tell you!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 18, 2013, 01:04:34 AM
Really, Natural News?

http://www.naturalnews.com/028577_doctors_shortage.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 18, 2013, 11:39:31 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 18, 2013, 01:04:34 AM
Really, Natural News?

http://www.naturalnews.com/028577_doctors_shortage.html

The page came up with a Colloidal Silver ad on it.  'Nuf said.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 18, 2013, 11:46:46 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 18, 2013, 11:39:31 AM
The page came up with a Colloidal Silver ad on it.  'Nuf said.
Natural News could get taken over by creationists and be more accurate.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 18, 2013, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 18, 2013, 11:46:46 AM
Natural News could get taken over by creationists and be more accurate.

Could get taken over by creationists?

They ARE creationists (http://www.naturalnews.com/038985_universe_simulation_intelligent_design.html)!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 18, 2013, 12:28:50 PM
Quote from: D on March 18, 2013, 11:53:59 AM
Could get taken over by creationists?

They ARE creationists (http://www.naturalnews.com/038985_universe_simulation_intelligent_design.html)!

So, They support turning people into smurfs and believing in homicidal creators.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 18, 2013, 01:06:33 PM
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A girl was raped? That's not the tragedy! The REAL tragedy is the loss of the potential football career of these two boys!

I'll throw this comment (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1382534&postcount=8) with it from another forum:
QuoteAnd yeah nobody cares that a 16 year old was drinking alcohol or anything, just because she was raped.
That's cool. Lets just ignore that. The legal drinking age in Ohio isn't 21 or anything. Yeah. That's alright man, she was raped, let's ignore the law and just bust these guys.

I'm also adding THIS comment (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1382726&postcount=12) as well:
QuoteUnderage drinking is not necessarily always a victimless crime, though. Had this girl been sober, do you think things would've gotten this far?

As much as those jocks took advantage of her, drinking landed her in the situation.

Even if not jail time, the proper ethics of law would require she receive the appropriate punishment for her actions, despite what happened to her. It's just one of those situations where people are so focused on the rape that they forget that though.

And with THIS new comment (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1382822&postcount=24), we truly see the disgusting face of statism:
QuoteThe only reason these boys are being punished is because the government frowned upon it.

Just because something is a victimless crime doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed, the law stands and the law shouldn't be ignored just because people don't wanna hurt poor babby's feelings.
Nobody cares about your emotions or "its not a real BAD crime" hogwash. The people who have and sell marijuana, technically don't hurt anyone either, but they still get arrested for it, and sometimes sent to jail for it.
The fact is, it is a real crime under the law and for that reason it should be addressed, not ignored.

I don't care if she gets a slap on the wrist or thrown in jail, I want it addressed. I'm not looking for some kind of equalizer, neither am I trying to show she's just as bad as the boys because she obviously isn't.
She did something illegal, it should be addressed.
Not being addressed shows how weak people are because they don't wanna hurt someones feelings.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 19, 2013, 02:26:02 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/580080_628972277119964_2036063557_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 19, 2013, 05:44:11 PM
Quote from: D on March 19, 2013, 02:26:02 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/580080_628972277119964_2036063557_n.png)

How many of them got killed in the process (so far)?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 20, 2013, 12:55:52 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 19, 2013, 05:44:11 PM
How many of them got killed in the process (so far)?

a better question would be: "what liberty? that of being killed by insurgents?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 20, 2013, 03:45:58 AM
[yt]A5yVDCylQmw[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 20, 2013, 07:19:30 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 20, 2013, 03:45:58 AM
[yt]A5yVDCylQmw[/yt]

A "neo-confederate libertarian"??? Is he a tall short guy, too?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on March 20, 2013, 11:01:37 AM
Arguing on another forum over this whole $22 minimum wage fiasco.

My post
"Decided to look up the source of the $22 hour minimum wage claims (http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/min-wage1-2012-03.pdf)

Per his own analysis
Actual MW: $7.25
CPI-U: $10.52
CPI-U-RS: $9.22
1/2 average wage: $10.01
1/4 productivity: $12.25
1/2 productivity: $15.34
Full producitivty: $21.72

Here's the thing I'm not seeing. You can cry productivity until the cows come home. However, if you're not trying to take into account growth in technology to improve effeciency than whatever measurement you're using is complete BS."

The reponse
QuoteWell, I think we have another candidate for the Jabberwocky award (dont put the trophy on the mantlepeice just yet, I-10)  So do you suggest sending payments to this Mr. Growth in Technology? Or do you think that the original baseline of work in 1960 was also the result of a technology enabled workforce?  You know, electric lights, automobiles, typewriters, sorters, etc?

What exactly is your point here?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on March 20, 2013, 11:09:36 AM
Also from the same guy when an owner of a local resturant said he would close shop immediately if there was a $22/hr minimum wage
Quotewould your business suffer, really, joe?  If even poor people were making 22 bucks an hour?

Seems like you would have a lot more potential customers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 20, 2013, 12:16:24 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on March 20, 2013, 11:01:37 AM
Per his own analysis
Actual MW: $7.25
CPI-U: $10.52
CPI-U-RS: $9.22
1/2 average wage: $10.01
1/4 productivity: $12.25
1/2 productivity: $15.34
Full producitivty: $21.72

What were the figures for 1960, when MW was $1?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on March 20, 2013, 01:12:03 PM
Thats another thing that is BS about the report. It doesn't even mention what the original baseline was outside of one graph. It plays the good ole "Well you go find it" card. The figures I quotes were supposedly if the $1 MW kept up with worker production, by 2012 worker production statistics the MW should be $22 a hour.

My arguement was that I can't find anything that shows where these worker production numbers show any kind of control for the increasing technological innovation. If McDonalds figures out a way to cook twice as many burgers between 1960 and now, that doesn't mean automatically the guy flipping the burgers deserves to be paid twice as much.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 20, 2013, 03:14:11 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s480x480/64721_355510174553747_1445185616_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 20, 2013, 08:09:50 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 20, 2013, 03:14:11 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s480x480/64721_355510174553747_1445185616_n.jpg)

which is funny, because he isn't watering anything: he's spraying pesticide or some other chemicals.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 21, 2013, 10:36:41 AM
[yt]bJ6J1T-1nsE[/yt]

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Obviously the fail comes from Kucinich and Coulter.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 21, 2013, 01:19:24 PM
For someone with such an out and about anti drug stance Ann Coulter sure does sound like she's on something.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 21, 2013, 06:00:16 PM
Quotewould your business suffer, really, joe?  If even poor people were making 22 bucks an hour?

Seems like you would have a lot more potential customers.

If he had reason to believe that, he'd already be paying his employees 22 bucks an hour on his own you pompous airhead!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 21, 2013, 08:56:30 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/581649_363171040463009_1538293325_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 21, 2013, 09:25:24 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 21, 2013, 06:00:16 PM
If he had reason to believe that, he'd already be paying his employees 22 bucks an hour on his own you pompous airhead!

not just that, but it simply makes no sense. people don't go to restaurants because the boss is a nice guy. They go because they want to eat good food outside the house.

unless he means more people would work for him, which is still BS, since that would mean greater operating costs, which would tank such a business. assuming he would even make a profit with this kind of minimum wage ($22/Hour)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 21, 2013, 09:38:52 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on March 21, 2013, 09:25:24 PM
not just that, but it simply makes no sense. people don't go to restaurants because the boss is a nice guy. They go because they want to eat good food outside the house.

unless he means more people would work for him, which is still BS, since that would mean greater operating costs, which would tank such a business. assuming he would even make a profit with this kind of minimum wage ($22/Hour)
Shit, you think much higher of this guy than I do.  I thought he meant that since the minimum wage was higher, more people could afford to patronize his restaurant.  Nevermind that this would lead mass unemployment the likes of which this country has never seen...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 21, 2013, 09:50:13 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on March 21, 2013, 09:38:52 PM
Shit, you're much nicer to this guy than I would have been.  I thought he meant that since the minimum wage was higher, more people could afford to patronize his restaurant.    Nevermind that this would lead mass unemployment the likes of which this country has never seen...

ah, another option I haven't considered. In that case, it is still BS, because he'd also have to pay his workers that wage, and it would tank his business before he could enjoy the benefits of richer clientele. assuming inflation doesn't shoot up like a motherfucker, and as you say, it doesn't lead to mass unemployment, worse than what we have. (an assumption undermined by what actually happens in real life).

it's sometimes good when your dad's a businessman and general manager.  :P

yeah, the guy in that forum is an idiot.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 21, 2013, 10:59:11 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on March 21, 2013, 09:50:13 PM
ah, another option I haven't considered. In that case, it is still BS, because he'd also have to pay his workers that wage, and it would tank his business before he could enjoy the benefits of richer clientele. assuming inflation doesn't shoot up like a motherfucker, and as you say, it doesn't lead to mass unemployment, worse than what we have. (an assumption undermined by what actually happens in real life).

it's sometimes good when your dad's a businessman and general manager.  :P

yeah, the guy in that forum is an idiot.

As they say, a good economist sees the seen AND the unseen effects of a policy. This guy only seems to look at the seen (more money going into the hands of workers) but ignores the unseen (making the cost of hiring so expensive that the business fail and many workers being laid off etc).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 22, 2013, 08:22:34 AM
That's the one question these folks won't answer because if they tried to, the jig would be up.

"If minimum wage works, why stop at 22$?  Why not make it 1000$ per hour and end poverty instantly?"

Much like what I say about socialized healthcare.  If it works, why stop at healthcare?  Why not socialize everything?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 22, 2013, 12:14:30 PM
From Anarchadia (https://www.facebook.com/Anarchadia) on Facebook.

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/531509_554840511214039_556147176_n.png)

Quote from: AnarchadiaThe people who fund anarcho-capitalist ideoplogy including the World Bank, IMF and CIA should have all their money taken away from them, for promoting neo-nazism such as child slavery.

OH GOD MY SIDES!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 22, 2013, 07:00:58 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/581451_235270183264691_1980259584_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 22, 2013, 08:14:06 PM
The 99% need to grow up because this idea that the CEO just "has money" is a 5 year old's understanding of economics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 22, 2013, 10:08:38 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-easy-solutions-to-problems-we-all-complain-about/
After reading the first paragraph of the above, specifically:

"Quick question: Do you know the difference between a liberal and a conservative? Wait, there's a catch. You can't say anything about religion or specific issues like abortion or gay marriage. Do you know the difference at their core? Don't feel ashamed if you don't -- most Americans don't. Here, let me help: At their most basic level, liberals believe that government is responsible for fixing social problems and ensuring equality for every citizen. They believe that "the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need." Conservatives believe in personal responsibility for our successes and failures, with a limited, smaller government."

I just stopped reading.  No further point.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 23, 2013, 02:39:50 AM
Oh My Fucking God!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FBZgosHkKk

Low numbers?!! Single Digits?!!!



Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 23, 2013, 02:57:18 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/05/dianne-feinstein-olc-memos_n_2811846.html

From a user- Wbischo

QuoteThe Patriot Act would be GONE, if there were enough Democrats in the legislature to vote with Obama. When the next election is over, and Obama actually has legislative support in Congress, you will see a difference. A President can't eliminate The Patriot Act alone, Congress has to agree. and this Congress is REPUBLICAN controlled. Drones have been used for many decades, and under Bush, there were thousands of drone missions. The largest purchasers of drones right now besides the military are those who plan to use them in our cities for law enforcement. They save lives. They have been used for border patrol for years, and Bush used them VERY extensively, right along our American Borders. People act like Obama ''invented'' their use. Clinton had Bin Ladin in the sights of a drone when he left Office, but when Bush took over the mission, he cancelled the order to kill or capture Bin Ladin, who was a family friend of the Bush family and a partner of Bush in an oil pipeline investment.

Obama increased the drone attacks!

What about when Obama was elected in 2008? The democrats had the majority in the Senate and the House at that time you know.


Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 23, 2013, 08:29:51 AM
This page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Conservatives-against-Obama-and-his-liberal-adgenda-no-longer-bushs-fault/112883682080346?ref=stream) had this stupid comment to share.

QuoteAccording to our count, just this week alone we banned over 25 libertarians for Anti Semitic comments, I can find not ONE single person who identified themselves as a libertarian repudiate what these people were saying. And these people were not plants, some of them were unfortunately friends of mine who agree with Ron Paul that we should cut and run from Israel. If you are a libertarian you might want to speak out against the rampant Anti Israel posts that get put on this page. I get slammed constantly for reminding people what an Anti Semite, Ron Paul is...but Im used to it. Ron

>Don't believe the US should be Israel's personal bodyguard
>automatically means anti-Semite

Gotta love that projection.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 23, 2013, 10:20:38 AM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/228802_178650458950387_961748043_n.jpg)

Add this one to the "hilariously stupid conspiracies" pile.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 23, 2013, 11:12:22 AM
Quote from: D on March 23, 2013, 10:20:38 AM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/228802_178650458950387_961748043_n.jpg)

Add this one to the "hilariously stupid conspiracies" pile.
MY SIDES!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 23, 2013, 02:19:38 PM
QuoteI'm not going to bother answering anymore because you are either stupid or trolling. You have no real knowledge of law (I'm an international lawyer), you don't read properly and your arguments are illogical. So quickly, I said "illegal guns", no shit there are more gun users, they are legal in US and making them is harder than raising a plant. Violent 'hood = many criminals = many guns. You sound like those people that shout "I KNOW MY RIGHTS! I PAY TAXES!" to whatever legal issue..

Non-American gun grabbers who nothing about the US are the most aggravating.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 24, 2013, 02:31:57 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 23, 2013, 02:19:38 PM
Non-American gun grabbers who nothing about the US are the most aggravating.

Same guy.

QuoteAgain, misinterpretation of stats. Yes there is a big market in US, they are LEGAL, people will seek them out as they want them and it goes without saying the one buyer attracts another. Your neighbor buys a gun or you start hearing a lot of gun related crimes you will buy a gun yourself so you will be able to keep up. Less than .001% is used because there are SO MANY in US. That's like saying the Sahara desert has the best judicial system on earth as there is little crime.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 24, 2013, 01:35:45 PM
Everything said by SammyHales in these comments: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=1uphOME8b8Y
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 24, 2013, 02:14:41 PM
This. (http://www.unmaskingevolution.com/30-protein.htm)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 24, 2013, 11:59:45 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/524881_446113248803034_586367269_n.jpg)

Fuck you, Canadian government. I don't like Them, but this is wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 25, 2013, 08:35:25 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 24, 2013, 11:59:45 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/524881_446113248803034_586367269_n.jpg)

Fuck you, Canadian government. I don't like Them, but this is wrong.

I'm surprised.  I didn't think we'd even actually banned leaders of the Nation of Islam from entering Canada, just made them aware that if they preached certain of their doctrines, they would be subject to prosecution for inciting hatred against an identifiable group.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 25, 2013, 09:26:26 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 25, 2013, 08:35:25 AM
I'm surprised.  I didn't think we'd even actually banned leaders of the Nation of Islam from entering Canada, just made them aware that if they preached certain of their doctrines, they would be subject to prosecution for inciting hatred against an identifiable group.

This is quoted a lot, but I've had a hard time tracking it down. I can't find anywhere there's a blanket ban on Westboro members from coming into Canada. The most I could find was one case in 2008 where they were banned from entry temporarily because they had announced plans to picket some funeral up there. They weren't allowed in until the funeral was over.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 25, 2013, 01:02:27 PM
Any comment by akiflyer
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 26, 2013, 01:29:22 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 25, 2013, 01:02:27 PM
Any comment by akiflyer
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QuoteAs I said, as a "for" argument for the several reasons I have discussed. as an "against" argument, it is fine because I am providing you with reasons why USA compared to other nations have a worse record because at each state is different. So its like you would be arguing "USA is not so bad because you see Canada is has less gun crime." Of course there is going to be cities or areas more or less affected, as a whole your record is terrible. Just like Liverpool has more crime than London.

I'm sorry, did this guy just say that you can't compare cities or states, but, you can compare something as complicated as nations?
WTF?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 26, 2013, 07:03:13 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 26, 2013, 01:29:22 AM
I'm sorry, did this guy just say that you can't compare cities or states, but, you can compare something as complicated as nations?
WTF?

Cultist mentality again: entire countries are collectives and effectively indivisible.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 26, 2013, 09:27:16 PM
"You need to slice and dice the Bill to have it support your beliefs.
The second contains four clauses, however, you ignore the first two clauses or reduce them to insignificance in some dishonest manner.
You cannot slice and dice the Bill and still have it protect.
Anyone who ignores the first two clauses isn't a patriot of any kind, & clearly has no ability to reason as American's founders did, that's for sure.
You ignore the rights of other free people to live free of gunslinging & shootouts".

Me: Nobody is slicing it. We are actually reading it. The Militia and the people are clearly separated and each only talk about the one they address.
Try reading.

"You are trying to simply ignore parts of the Bill of Rights that don't suit you."

Me: How am I ignoring it?
Did you actually read my comment?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 26, 2013, 10:05:31 PM
you're going to love this conversation I had (http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?143808-Colorado-passes-Gun-Control-Laws&p=2053517755&viewfull=1#post2053517755): this is a reply of a guy who expressed the belief that the use of guns (and force in general) is the monopoly of the state.


Quote from: Horetore....and my objection to this would be where the "collectivist communist"-part comes in.

I believe in the state. The state provides our safety. I don't want to be safe from "criminals", I want to be safe against people who want to "defend" themselves(or even worse; their property) against "criminals".

(now would be a good time to get your tin foil hats out, everyone)

well, at least he's honest about being an idiot.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 27, 2013, 01:57:53 PM
Everything that vcdaniels said in this video

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=Ky4C6GyUzXc

Especially these

I questioned him about Obamas drone strikes, Bellow is his response

QuoteHe's merely using the power President Bush made possible for him. If you recall, we liberals protested the President amassing such power unto himself. But YOU people were busy calling us "commies" and "French-loving surrender monkies". NOW you want to lament that the monster YOU created is now rampaging through the streets. If liberals had been listened to, Bush would've been stopped and Obama wouldn't have this power to abuse today.

Here is my response to this dimwitted excuse for a human shit.

QuoteUh excuse me? I was against the Iraq war before it began. I am registered no partier.

You would think as a president with actual principles, who ran on an anti war pro civil liberties platform would, oh I don't know, MAYBE TRY TO REVERSE THAT TREND?! Especially when democrats had control of both house and senate.

And you guys were SILENT when Clinton sent troops former Yugoslavia and had the sanctions on Iraq that killed thousands of children then proceeded to bomb them.

Let's also not forget the president has 100 percent control of the Exec Branch Including the military
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 27, 2013, 08:58:29 PM
The fail here goes to Michael Moore who is basically saying that gun owners are racist.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 27, 2013, 09:40:44 PM
Quote from: D on March 27, 2013, 08:58:29 PM
The fail here goes to Michael Moore who is basically saying that gun owners are racist.

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which is funny, cuz my grand-mom, who owns no firearms, is a hardcore racist, whereas her late husband, who did have them, was no racist. all this on my mom's side, and I used "her husband", as he is not my maternal grandfather.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 28, 2013, 04:57:52 PM
[yt]ao7ECASd5pc[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 28, 2013, 05:03:15 PM
Quote from: D on March 28, 2013, 04:57:52 PM
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Its been removed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 28, 2013, 05:04:16 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 28, 2013, 05:03:15 PM
Its been removed.

Hmm, I wonder why?

It was basically anti-GMO fear mongering nonsense.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 29, 2013, 08:21:33 AM
http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Debating-Rape-Culture-With-Linkara-And-Chick-360450426?offset=25#comments
My exchange with ARTG33K74 in the comments.  This is why I can't take feminism seriously.
Linkara and NChick in the main article fail too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 29, 2013, 09:20:42 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 29, 2013, 08:21:33 AM
http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Debating-Rape-Culture-With-Linkara-And-Chick-360450426?offset=25#comments
My exchange with ARTG33K74 in the comments.  This is why I can't take feminism seriously.
Linkara and NChick in the main article fail too.

Three-word rebuttal to them: Duke lacrosse players.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 29, 2013, 09:24:01 AM
Videos and replies about Japanese katanas split off to new topic: https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=1790
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 29, 2013, 04:40:35 PM
WARNING: MASSIVE BOGONS AHEAD (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showthread.php?p=1389420&posted=1#post1389420)
QuoteAfter talking to this chick for a few months, I finally got the courage to ask about her love interest. Right from the start, she stated she isn't attracted to Black Guys. I instantly called her a racist.

I responded with:
Are we really going to start saying that sexual preference is a form of racism now?

Are we REALLY going to say that?

By that logic, saying that gay men aren't attracted to women makes them sexist or misogynist.

The following is actually a thing.
QuoteKonan said it best, racist when it's all based on skin color. It's no longer about personalities or figure but simply by the skin color/race then yes, it is racist. As for your statement, it falls under the same category. If some are gay simply because they feel people of the opposite sex are all one thing, then yes, it is sexist. Also, they are choosing to be gay, which I find it hard that many people are doing. Some people join in gay sexual activities but might not be attracted to the same sex, I feel as though gays are born gay. You idea is that gay people hav a choice and this is where I won't get into arguments with because there is no winning
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 29, 2013, 05:07:48 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 29, 2013, 09:24:01 AM
Videos and replies about Japanese katanas split off to new topic: https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=1790
gotta stop doing that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 29, 2013, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 29, 2013, 05:07:48 PM
gotta stop doing that.

I knew this was gonna happen.  ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 29, 2013, 06:48:00 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 29, 2013, 09:20:42 AM
Three-word rebuttal to them: Duke lacrosse players.

Care to elaborate?  I'm not familiar with that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 29, 2013, 07:27:43 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 29, 2013, 06:48:00 PM
Care to elaborate?  I'm not familiar with that.

I don't have the strength. Just read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 30, 2013, 12:08:45 AM
Every comment left by marxist max on this video:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 30, 2013, 11:54:03 AM
QuoteFemales 100% have life more difficult than males.

Yeah, because rich white woman is totally having a more difficult life than poor black man.

Bullshit blanket statement is bullshit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 30, 2013, 04:09:03 PM
[yt]qECx6G59vUY[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 30, 2013, 05:03:44 PM
Quote from: D on March 30, 2013, 04:09:03 PM
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*sigh* conspiracy theories. It is only good and interesting in movies, games etc but goddamn hilarious and painful to listen to in real life.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 31, 2013, 07:10:13 AM
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The fail here comes from the gun control protesters, but more specifically, the ones with signs like, "NRA = DEATH" and "NRA kills our kids."

I don't give a fuck what side of the argument you take, you don't accuse the opposing side of committing murder because they support rights.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 31, 2013, 06:10:43 PM
Quote from: D on March 31, 2013, 07:10:13 AM
[yt]1eur6zmcnDE[/yt]

The fail here comes from the gun control protesters, but more specifically, the ones with signs like, "NRA = DEATH" and "NRA kills our kids."

I don't give a fuck what side of the argument you take, you don't accuse the opposing side of committing murder because they support rights.

I bet they would give a pass to Obama and his drone strikes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 31, 2013, 06:14:56 PM
(http://oi50.tinypic.com/k2da2u.jpg)

Here are the two signs in question.

Only a major league douchebag would carry a sign like that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 31, 2013, 08:25:05 PM
Quote from: D on March 31, 2013, 06:14:56 PM
(http://oi50.tinypic.com/k2da2u.jpg)

Here are the two signs in question.

Only a major league douchebag would carry a sign like that.

In response to the signs

Obama's drones=Death

Obama kill kids with drones, 176 and counting.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 31, 2013, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on March 31, 2013, 08:25:05 PM
In response to the signs

Obama's drones=Death

Obama kill kids with drones, 176 and counting.

Yeah, but with those, it's actually true. Obama's drone program is directly responsible for murdering children in the Middle East.

The NRA defending gun rights holds absolutely NO bearing on the average gun violence.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 01, 2013, 12:02:16 AM
Quote from: D on March 31, 2013, 06:14:56 PM
(http://oi50.tinypic.com/k2da2u.jpg)

Here are the two signs in question.

Only a major league douchebag would carry a sign like that.

You've got to be a full on dogmatist to believe that sign.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 01, 2013, 12:21:40 AM
meh, nothing compared to this POS song mentioned in the video (also fail):


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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 01, 2013, 12:29:36 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on April 01, 2013, 12:21:40 AM
meh, nothing compared to this POS song mentioned in the video (also fail):

The Young Turks: criticizing Fox News by acting like Fox News.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 01, 2013, 12:30:55 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 01, 2013, 12:29:36 AM
The Young Turks: criticizing Fox News by acting like Fox News.

pretty much...

what really pisses me off though isn't TYT--that behavior is expected. It is the hypocrisy involved: OK Carrey, you are against gun ownership, but why then do you get private guards? You know, who have guns?

same with Moore, Holder, or Mr. Choom himself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 01, 2013, 03:33:11 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on April 01, 2013, 12:30:55 AM
pretty much...

what really pisses me off though isn't TYT--that behavior is expected. It is the hypocrisy involved: OK Carrey, you are against gun ownership, but why then do you get private guards? You know, who have guns?

same with Moore, Holder, or Mr. Choom himself.

Well, he's a celebrity. His life is far more important than yours and mine.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 01, 2013, 09:01:41 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 01, 2013, 12:29:36 AM
The Young Turks: criticizing Fox News by acting like Fox News.

Why do you think I always call the The Dumb Jerks?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 01, 2013, 01:11:23 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on April 01, 2013, 12:21:40 AM
meh, nothing compared to this POS song mentioned in the video (also fail):


[yt]NGPDz0Pu5ZQ[/yt]

Love the free pass given to cops and soldiers and other agents of govco.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 01, 2013, 01:27:46 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 01, 2013, 01:11:23 PM
Love the free pass given to cops and soldiers and other agents of govco.

Or how about his own bodyguards?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 01, 2013, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: D on April 01, 2013, 01:27:46 PM
Or how about his own bodyguards?

to quote a saying, the three signs of a hypocrite are that he lies when he speaks, if he makes a promise he breaks it, and if he is trusted with something, he will betray the trust.

trust Jim Carrey, Michael Moore, or the others to live up to their anti-gun principles, and you'll find them betraying it....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 01, 2013, 06:45:00 PM
From Speak Liberty Now (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=504821782909823&set=a.343896512335685.82679.339567482768588&type=1&theater) on Facebook:
QuoteIs abortion rightfully called "evictionism"? Because evictionism implies the womb is property... And by most counts and definitions of homesteading, I don't see how it can be said the baby didn't homestead the whom in which he is apparently being evicted from.

So, basically, the woman gets to act as a state and apply her will over the babies property via eminent domain? Hmmmm... not sure the argument for "evictionism" holds water.

So the mother doesn't own her womb? So the mother is the slave of the fetus?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 02, 2013, 02:45:12 PM
"The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in 'Metcalfe's law'–which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants–becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet's impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine's." —Paul Krugman (1998) (ironically in his article Why most economists' predictions are wrong (http://web.archive.org/web/19980610100009/www.redherring.com/mag/issue55/economics.html))
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 02, 2013, 06:19:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 02, 2013, 02:45:12 PM
"The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in 'Metcalfe's law'–which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants–becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet's impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine's." —Paul Krugman (1998) (ironically in his article Why most economists' predictions are wrong (http://web.archive.org/web/19980610100009/www.redherring.com/mag/issue55/economics.html))

that is one funny statement...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 02, 2013, 10:00:40 PM
These screenshots from the new Sim City game. (http://imgur.com/a/gW7F9)

>Libertarian Utopia
>no power, water, or sewer systems

Because we all know only governments can do that shit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 02, 2013, 10:06:35 PM
Quote from: D on April 02, 2013, 10:00:40 PM
These screenshots from the new Sim City game. (http://imgur.com/a/gW7F9)

>Libertarian Utopia
>no power, water, or sewer systems

Because we all know only governments can do that shit.

No garbage collection, either. Hey, I'm in a place without municipal garbage collection, there's still going to be a truck coming tomorrow morning to pick up the garbage in the bins I rolled down earlier this evening. Must be magic!

No one apparently creates any businesses, either: 100% residential.

OTOH, there's no crime, no homelessness, no fires or other disasters, and no one gets sick.

Yeah, I'm seeing a few problems here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 02, 2013, 11:51:02 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 02, 2013, 10:06:35 PM
No garbage collection, either. Hey, I'm in a place without municipal garbage collection, there's still going to be a truck coming tomorrow morning to pick up the garbage in the bins I rolled down earlier this evening. Must be magic!

No one apparently creates any businesses, either: 100% residential.

OTOH, there's no crime, no homelessness, no fires or other disasters, and no one gets sick.

Yeah, I'm seeing a few problems here.

Are we libertarians the only ones who are aware that actual humans are involved in economics?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 03, 2013, 02:04:04 AM
Really, facebook page Right off a cliff?

QuoteOh no!! What would happen if we had tighter gun regulations and allowed gays to get married?

Let's just ask Canada.

God hasn't wiped them off the planet, the population isn't shrinking and masked marauders haven't taken the country from the unarmed citizens.

Oh, they also have universal health care AND have a longer life expectancy than Americans.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on April 03, 2013, 02:39:48 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 03, 2013, 02:04:04 AM
Really, facebook page Right off a cliff?

This this idiot realize that many pro gun people are non religious?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 03, 2013, 02:49:36 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on April 03, 2013, 02:39:48 AM
This this idiot realize that many pro gun people are non religious?

No, just liberal morons seem to think that being pro gay marriage means your also pro gun control.

Also, does it seem that people who come from various parts of Europe complain about US politicians wanting to censor and ban violent video games, but forget that some parts of Europe, England as an example, do just that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 04, 2013, 01:10:03 AM
http://imgur.com/gallery/k68uhkI
Picture itself is not a fail, just the blatant double standards it points out.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 04, 2013, 02:50:37 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 03, 2013, 02:49:36 AM
No, just liberal morons seem to think that being pro gay marriage means your also pro gun control.

Also, does it seem that people who come from various parts of Europe complain about US politicians wanting to censor and ban violent video games, but forget that some parts of Europe, England as an example, do just that?

I never got that first part: it's not like political positions come in one size fits all motifs...

as to the second part: yeah, hypocrisy again. It's a common sight these days with the gun-control movement.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on April 04, 2013, 08:53:36 PM
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I like Lacigreen but it clearly shows that economics is not her forte'
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 05, 2013, 01:07:28 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/544541_582077671810757_1794083464_n.jpg)

GMOS!
BIG PHARMA!
PESTICIDES!
HERBICIDES!
SCARY WORDS!
RUN AWAY!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 05, 2013, 02:37:24 PM
Quote from: D on April 05, 2013, 01:07:28 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/544541_582077671810757_1794083464_n.jpg)

GMOS!
BIG PHARMA!
PESTICIDES!
HERBICIDES!
SCARY WORDS!
RUN AWAY!!!!!!!!

Point out that Big Pharma also makes the supplements and that Big Ag also sells the organic produce and watch their heads go all asplodey.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 05, 2013, 03:58:34 PM
Austin Petersen (https://www.facebook.com/ProducerPetersen/posts/507596815965970) provides this bit of fail:
QuoteThe problem with pure non-interventionism is that letting your neighbors get gassed in a concentration camp isn't libertarian.

Yeah, it wasn't like this situation could have been avoided or anything by not getting involved in World War 1. Nah, totally required world police in order to be libertarian.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 06, 2013, 12:57:21 AM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/58857_10151393392178786_1383390190_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 06, 2013, 09:46:46 AM
It also didn't have a plane crash into it nor was it burning from jet fuel.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 06, 2013, 09:55:40 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 06, 2013, 09:46:46 AM
It also didn't have a plane crash into it nor was it burning from jet fuel.

And it hadn't lost half its support structure, or put the greatest amount of stress on the only thing that was holding the two support systems together. In fact, I doubt very seriously the design of this building is anywhere CLOSE to the design of the WTC towers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 06, 2013, 12:32:47 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 06, 2013, 09:55:40 AM
And it hadn't lost half its support structure, or put the greatest amount of stress on the only thing that was holding the two support systems together. In fact, I doubt very seriously the design of this building is anywhere CLOSE to the design of the WTC towers.

It's probably the more standard girder boxwork or mechanically equivalent reinforced concrete type of structure more typical of skyscrapers.  These traditional designs force you to accept lots of interior columns (which the WTC did not have in the open parts of the floors), but leaves you with an almost ludicrously overbuilt structure that, if properly constructed, is most likely to be lost in an earthquake, for example, because liquefaction unexpectedly causes the foundations to become unsupported and it slumps over intact, but not usable or recoverable.  The overload factor on such a building is usually so high that they are quite difficult to demolish without hiring specialists in demolishing these types of buildings (who will busily go through the place for days to weeks, clearing access to all sides of all the supporting columns, carefully place precisely shaped charges of explosives, and then bring the whole thing down into rubble in a matter of seconds in exactly the way the WTC towers didn't come down).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 06, 2013, 12:53:53 PM
Just saw Shane's conversation with gun banners on Facebook.
Wow, why is it that most conversations with gun banners always sound the same?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 06, 2013, 01:44:47 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 06, 2013, 12:53:53 PM
Just saw Shane's conversation with gun banners on Facebook.
Wow, why is it that most conversations with gun banners always sound the same?

It always reminds me of that quote about playing chess with a pigeon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 06, 2013, 01:51:04 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 06, 2013, 01:44:47 PM
It always reminds me of that quote about playing chess with a pigeon.

Too true.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 06, 2013, 03:11:09 PM
So, Paul Ryan is a libertarian now?  ???
Fuck you, Bill Maher!  >:(

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-tears-into-libertarians-movement-went-nuts-intellectually-stuck-in-their-teen-years/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 06, 2013, 04:07:38 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 06, 2013, 03:11:09 PM
So, Paul Ryan is a libertarian now?  ???
Fuck you, Bill Maher!  >:(

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-tears-into-libertarians-movement-went-nuts-intellectually-stuck-in-their-teen-years/

Apparently, we have a "creepy obsession" for not using force to interfere in the peaceful interactions of our neighbors.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 06, 2013, 04:32:29 PM
Need some help with this tsdempster1 guy. Holy crap.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 06, 2013, 06:29:26 PM
he's beyond helping...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on April 06, 2013, 07:07:33 PM
Some more league of reason political fail, this time from AronRa

http://freethoughtblogs.com/aronra/2013/04/05/talkin-politics-at-napcon/ (http://freethoughtblogs.com/aronra/2013/04/05/talkin-politics-at-napcon/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 06, 2013, 09:14:36 PM
[yt]N3qtpdSQox0[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 07, 2013, 12:19:03 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on April 06, 2013, 06:29:26 PM
he's beyond helping...

I blocked and removed his comments because this guy is just trolling.
I get that after hundreds of Comments on the video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 07, 2013, 04:31:34 PM
well, I've had to leave the backroom to another forum lately. Not because I did anything wrong--I did not, but because I had this happen:

me: "I don't care what other people think, or why they want weapons. It doesn't guide my thoughts here. Besides, they can live with the consequences on their wallets" (this was in reference to people potentially wasting money on guns they don't need--some guy made a dumb utilitarian argument).

you know what he replies with?

Quote from: a scumbagWallets? You're in the life insurance buissness?

I just flipped my lid on this: I mean, who the fuck is he to insinuate that I only say what I say so that I can get my money from the misery of other people? is he this much of a piss-ant no-good coward, that he has to make such a slur on my character, when my arguments don't suit him?

OK, OK: it's possible you ask, that he's trying to invoke statistics regarding accident rates (which are near zero in this country anyways), related to that business. But he made no attempt to qualify it, and clearly meant it to be an insult.

and it's not just that: I get this shit, from this same asshole, when I explained to him that the crime problem we have in the US is not because we have guns, but from the government policy--citing in the process the US border, and esp. the town of Juarez (as well as inner cities):

QuoteNot that much kills in the border states. I do wonder why Georgia is such a cop killer state though

Oh, let's ignore the border region, and just look at the whole states!

and the second part? he completely ignores the fact that the statistics he is referring to (which I had to link--me, not the guy who brought it up--me!), do not segregate gun violence from other causes of cop deaths (notably Auto accidents--yes, the source included auto deaths), nor do they do so along county or urban levels--the very levels I was referring to and citing. I even told him that for all I know (facetiously), there are hardly any shootings of police in Georgia, and that they're all just awful drivers--there's no way for him to merely blame the deaths in Georgia of police on guns alone.


And when I point out that perturbed people (like the one at bath school disaster), don't need guns to get what they want, or if they want it, they'll get it anyways regardless of the law (I referenced Anders Breivik), you know what he does? he ignores it, and focuses on another example I gave: Timothy McVeigh, saying he's somehow a different class of mass murderer--and then repeats the same God-damn point he made earlier (that they must have guns somehow for it to happen), which I clearly explained made no sense, and doesn't work that way, in the very post he replied to!

and the part that takes the cake? I clearly explained to him that the violence, and modus operendi, of said violence in the US and latin America as a whole, is a function of the war on drugs, the fact that police are also armed (creating a further demand for guns), and the need to drive out competition in a black market, all lead to an increase in crime, regardless of gun regulation (and yes, I did point out to him the statistics in Latin America: I'd plastered him with a few links on the topic. And yes, I did--carefully--explain how this could happen in say, Britain), you know what he does? bear in mind, I did explicitly tell him guns are freely available in Latin America and in the US, regardless of official restriction, so it is no surprise that that is the tool used for murder. you know what he says?

he accuses me of saying that I believe the violence is because of an attitude people in the US have to guns (implying I'm a hypocrite, and also the complete opposite of what I said). he clearly didn't even read what I wrote!

you people are right: these people are beyond reason: they're also scumbags.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 07, 2013, 06:54:43 PM
"You are kidding right. Uncontroled capitalism? Do we want ''no rules'' markets? Didn't history teach anything ? 1929 was a ''free market , 2007 free market. Are we becoming economic morons ?" —Lawrence Anthony, posted to Laissez Faire Capitalism on Facebook

And apparently, the answer is "yes."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 07, 2013, 08:54:51 PM
Erin Brockovich movie.
Need I say more?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 07, 2013, 10:58:18 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 07, 2013, 08:54:51 PM
Erin Brockovich movie.
Need I say more?

And, indeed, the real life Erin Brockovich.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 07, 2013, 11:04:03 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 07, 2013, 10:58:18 PM
And, indeed, the real life Erin Brockovich.

I was a little angry when I did even a little research.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 07, 2013, 11:18:52 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 07, 2013, 11:04:03 PM
I was a little angry when I did even a little research.

If anyone deserves to be called a terrorist it's her.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 07, 2013, 11:38:07 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 07, 2013, 11:18:52 PM
If anyone deserves to be called a terrorist it's her.

If only it was easier to convince my sister that the movie and the real person lied.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 07, 2013, 11:55:40 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 07, 2013, 11:38:07 PM
If only it was easier to convince my sister that the movie and the real person lied.

bigtime too.

it was one of the most fucked up things I ever discovered. Along side seeing a Mike Moore movie....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on April 07, 2013, 11:58:36 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 07, 2013, 08:54:51 PM
Erin Brockovich movie.
Need I say more?

Who's Erin Brockovich?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 08, 2013, 12:20:41 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on April 07, 2013, 11:58:36 PM
Who's Erin Brockovich?



this scumbag (http://www.cracked.com/article_19564_6-based-true-story-movies-with-unpleasant-epilogues.html)

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 08, 2013, 01:04:58 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 07, 2013, 10:58:18 PM
And, indeed, the real life Erin Brockovich.

Was the gas company as least a genuine bad guy or was that BS too?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 08, 2013, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 08, 2013, 01:04:58 AM
Was the gas company as least a genuine bad guy or was that BS too?

I've heard that she might have lied about the so-called poisoning causing the cancer and other stuff.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/a-333m-payout-an-oscar-and-now-a-final-twist-was-erin-brockovich-wrong-2159569.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 08, 2013, 07:01:43 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 08, 2013, 01:06:44 AM
I've heard that she might have lied about the so-called poisoning causing the cancer and other stuff.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/a-333m-payout-an-oscar-and-now-a-final-twist-was-erin-brockovich-wrong-2159569.html

She was only able to show an increased rate of cancer by cherry-picking: she included houses outside the range where someone had cancer and excluded a lot of them inside the range that didn't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 08, 2013, 11:06:13 AM
6 Reasons Libertarians Should Reject the Non-Aggression Principle (http://www.libertarianism.org/blog/six-reasons-libertarians-should-reject-non-aggression-principle)

It's mostly the "ends justifies the means" fallacy with a bunch of made up scenario's pulled directly out of the author's ass.

It makes me cringe that The Skeptical Libertarian is promoting this garbage.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 08, 2013, 12:22:34 PM
Quote from: D on April 08, 2013, 11:06:13 AM
6 Reasons Libertarians Should Reject the Non-Aggression Principle (http://www.libertarianism.org/blog/six-reasons-libertarians-should-reject-non-aggression-principle)

It's mostly the "ends justifies the means" fallacy with a bunch of made up scenario's pulled directly out of the author's ass.

It makes me cringe that The Skeptical Libertarian is promoting this garbage.

Leading me to believe that "The Skeptical Libertarian" is yet another example of attributes in a name being the opposite of that person.
Shane knows what I mean...we've encountered that all too many times in the comments of his videos...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 08, 2013, 12:58:28 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 08, 2013, 12:22:34 PM
Leading me to believe that "The Skeptical Libertarian" is yet another example of attributes in a name being the opposite of that person.
Shane knows what I mean...we've encountered that all too many times in the comments of his videos...

He's usually pretty good, but nobody's perfect.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 08, 2013, 01:42:25 PM
Sebastian Sileoni in these comments: https://www.facebook.com/derek.colanduno/posts/576997048985553

Lots of others (Derek included) are fail, but Sebastian takes the cake!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 08, 2013, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 08, 2013, 01:42:25 PM
Sebastian Sileoni in these comments: https://www.facebook.com/derek.colanduno/posts/576997048985553

Lots of others (Derek included) are fail, but Sebastian takes the cake!

He sounds like a troll just trying to rustle some jimmies to look cool in front of his statist friends.

"HEY LOOK AT ME GUYS! I CAN MAKE FUN OF THIS GUY WITHOUT ACTUALLY CHALLENGING HIS POINTS BECAUSE I'M TOTALLY A COOL GUY!"

Sounds like typical high school bullshit. He reminds me of the kind of guy who tried to hang out with the cool kids and thought he was funny by reciting jokes from Family Guy. Nobody ever thought that guy was cool though.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 08, 2013, 02:41:42 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 08, 2013, 07:01:43 AM
She was only able to show an increased rate of cancer by cherry-picking: she included houses outside the range where someone had cancer and excluded a lot of them inside the range that didn't.

Sounds like the data cooking gun banners do.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 09, 2013, 07:30:48 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20186_6-ridiculous-myths-about-middle-ages-everyone-believes.html
Needless to say I stopped reading after glancing over #6.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 09, 2013, 09:22:15 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 08, 2013, 01:42:25 PM
Sebastian Sileoni in these comments: https://www.facebook.com/derek.colanduno/posts/576997048985553

Lots of others (Derek included) are fail, but Sebastian takes the cake!

And now Shane Nixon is in the thread claiming that the Corporate Income Tax isn't a cost.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on April 09, 2013, 09:42:10 PM
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AiYaiYai. My head.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 10, 2013, 12:43:54 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 09, 2013, 09:22:15 PM
And now Shane Nixon is in the thread claiming that the Corporate Income Tax isn't a cost.

yeah Mr. Nixon, and there are 10 KA Neanderthals....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 10, 2013, 02:28:17 PM
I think Ryan finally lost it. Not only the following video, but the channel itself.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 10, 2013, 03:28:08 PM
Quote from: D on April 10, 2013, 02:28:17 PM
I think Ryan finally lost it. Not only the following video, but the channel itself.

[yt]Ld9jH0PM54s[/yt]

Wow, he kept dancing around the truth there, but every time he ALMOST got there he took a sudden left turn.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on April 10, 2013, 04:28:48 PM
Quote from: D on April 10, 2013, 02:28:17 PM
I think Ryan finally lost it. Not only the following video, but the channel itself.

[yt]Ld9jH0PM54s[/yt]

I think Ryan lost it when he was dropped on his head while being delivered.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 10, 2013, 06:32:34 PM
"segregation is peace"

it sure worked well at preventing the Germans and French from being at each others throats. The Rhine was clearly the perfect boundary...keeping them apart and all.


::)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on April 11, 2013, 07:56:03 AM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/544071_481893335198988_1521506215_n.jpg)

Followed by when I asked for a source

QuoteI love the free market. But there's nothing inherently holy or better about it. It brought us slavery, child labor, sweat shops, discrimination, Joe Camel, and the Ford Pinto. The first three items are still rampant in foreign countries where there's no premium on human safety or dignity.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 11, 2013, 02:44:04 PM
Every comment by logtype47 in the comments here [yt]fIgqXCRkMkA[/yt]

Quote
"WIth the fact that in a free market, they can't prevent you from buying anything."
Where did you source this information from, because it's blatantly not true. A private company "can" decide in an instant who it will and won't sell to along with terms and conditions(a private form of REGULATIONS). This is what FREEDOM is all about, right? Doing what the hell you want devoid of any laws that cramp your style.

I am still not sure if this guy is a complete idiot (this is not the dumbest thing he has said so far, not even close), or just a troll. If he is a troll, he sure got me, though.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 11, 2013, 02:58:59 PM
Got to love how he assumes that there is only one company involved, and implies that no other company will take advantage of the deprivation of this product to the masses.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 11, 2013, 03:22:57 PM
Quote from: VectorM on April 11, 2013, 02:44:04 PM
Every comment by logtype47 in the comments here [yt]fIgqXCRkMkA[/yt]

I am still not sure if this guy is a complete idiot (this is not the dumbest thing he has said so far, not even close), or just a troll. If he is a troll, he sure got me, though.

Ya, I've been talking to this guy too. I honestly think he/she is that stupid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 11, 2013, 03:30:10 PM
I don't know what you posted there, Vector, but it wasn't the ID to a YouTube video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 11, 2013, 03:54:13 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 11, 2013, 03:30:10 PM
I don't know what you posted there, Vector, but it wasn't the ID to a YouTube video.
it was the Infact video about GMOs
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 11, 2013, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 11, 2013, 03:54:13 PM
it was the Infact video about GMOs
OK, I fixed the embeds.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 11, 2013, 10:52:38 PM
Every single commenter here who either condones what the police did outright or just makes excuses for them. (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151293271970736&set=a.155755875735.121669.48010180735&type=1)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 12, 2013, 12:53:52 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 12, 2013, 02:06:29 PM
Not a fan of Nugent, but this is just stupid.

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/ted-nugent-is-right-he-shouldnt-own-guns/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 12, 2013, 05:12:02 PM
[yt]IJWSkPInlYU[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 12, 2013, 06:56:12 PM
"The last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed ... that's where science leads you." Ben Stein
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 12, 2013, 08:11:16 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 12, 2013, 06:56:12 PM
"The last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed ... that's where science leads you." Ben Stein

wow...just...wow.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 12, 2013, 09:05:27 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 12, 2013, 06:56:12 PM
"The last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed ... that's where science leads you." Ben Stein

What did i just read?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on April 12, 2013, 10:56:00 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 12, 2013, 06:56:12 PM
"The last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed ... that's where science leads you." Ben Stein

It's also a load of shit. Both of his parents were born in the U.S. in 1916 and 1918.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 13, 2013, 02:17:13 AM
Quote from: Goaticus on April 12, 2013, 10:56:00 PM
It's also a load of shit. Both of his parents were born in the U.S. in 1916 and 1918.

I can't even find any mention of cousins or anyone to the 3rd degree being gassed, though I could always be wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 13, 2013, 08:23:54 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on April 13, 2013, 02:17:13 AM
I can't even find any mention of cousins or anyone to the 3rd degree being gassed, though I could always be wrong.

By "relatives," he means "people he shares a vaguely defined cultural heritage with." The fact of the matter is, I'm just as likely to have relatives who were in concentration camps as he is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 13, 2013, 01:41:31 PM
THis seems pretty mino r compared ot the idocy of the last quote but this video has always bugged me.


http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6633406/we-are-the-1
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 13, 2013, 06:50:53 PM
[yt]IxV0YQ2tUA0[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 13, 2013, 08:16:40 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19998_the-6-most-insane-ways-going-green-can-backfire.html
6 More reasons the green 'movement' is a load of shit.

Fail because instead of blaming govco for mandating #6, he throws it on the companies.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 13, 2013, 08:22:53 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 14, 2013, 03:21:14 PM
I pointed out on my other board that there is nos uch thign as government property and I got this.


QuoteThat would depend on your definition of 'government', but I already understand the anarchist view that government is THEM and not of the people, by the people, for the people. You just aren't happy that the majority of people won't see things your way. You are free to get involved, run for office or propose legislation through the democratically elected republic process.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 14, 2013, 04:17:54 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 14, 2013, 03:21:14 PM
QuoteYou just aren't happy that the majority of people won't see things your way.

They said to the slaves.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 14, 2013, 07:07:31 PM
I'm not sure what to sya to this. when I explained to him that government does not work and htat it is coercive he presented this bullshit.


Quotelet us know when you have an argument or a point of view to promote, you know something other than coerce extort whinny rhetoric.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 15, 2013, 12:35:49 AM
Bill Maher is just trying to be a complete moron!  >:(

http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/13/bill-maher-the-second-amendment-is-bullsht/#ixzz2QUrfocL3
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 15, 2013, 11:59:42 AM
Unless you wear the magic uniform at which point the second ammendment is essential!

Make ONE argument that doesn't exempt the state for no reason!  Is that too much to ask?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 15, 2013, 03:34:24 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 15, 2013, 11:59:42 AM
Unless you wear the magic uniform at which point the second ammendment is essential!

Make ONE argument that doesn't exempt the state for no reason!  Is that too much to ask?

Well isn't the reason for that obvious?  Because consistency makes you a Nazi/Scientologist/Facist/Slave Owner/Greedy Fuck/etc/etc/etc

On topic:  [yt]c3lXdW3WCVs[/yt]

I suspect the fail is strong with this one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 15, 2013, 03:44:30 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 15, 2013, 03:34:24 PM
Well isn't the reason for that obvious?  Because consistency makes you a Nazi/Scientologist/Facist/Slave Owner/Greedy Fuck/etc/etc/etc

On topic:  [yt]c3lXdW3WCVs[/yt]

I suspect the fail is strong with this one.

However, the win is strong with many who have viewed the video (3/4 negative votes, and something like 5% voting rate, which isn't bad).  A person with the handle hugesinker is all over the place with win.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 15, 2013, 05:07:05 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on April 15, 2013, 03:44:30 PM
However, the win is strong with many who have viewed the video (3/4 negative votes, and something like 5% voting rate, which isn't bad).  A person with the handle hugesinker is all over the place with win.

Which is a good thing because I was blocked from that channel.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 15, 2013, 05:50:10 PM
Who makes a response to someones video and then blocks that person from seeing/commenting ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 15, 2013, 06:21:07 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 15, 2013, 05:50:10 PM
Who makes a response to someones video and then blocks that person from seeing/commenting ?

Blowhard statists with no response to the arguments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 15, 2013, 06:34:01 PM
So this is a thing...

(http://www.rightwingwatch.org/sites/default/files/RushBostonTweet.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 15, 2013, 07:53:09 PM
What kind fo psychopath is Erik Rush?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 15, 2013, 08:02:33 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 15, 2013, 07:53:09 PM
What kind fo psychopath is Erik Rush?

a murderously inclined one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 15, 2013, 08:22:53 PM
Is there any evidence that the Obamas, Bushes, Romneys, and Clintons, all eat organic?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 16, 2013, 03:45:18 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 15, 2013, 08:22:53 PM
Is there any evidence that the Obamas, Bushes, Romneys, and Clintons, all eat organic?

What does organic even mean, exactly? I know who you are talking about.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 16, 2013, 03:49:27 PM
Quote from: VectorM on April 16, 2013, 03:45:18 PM
What does organic even mean, exactly? I know who you are talking about.

Organic refers to any molecule with a carbon-oxygen or carbon-hydrogen bond. How the statists, environmentalists, and newage nutbars mean it is a complete mystery to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 16, 2013, 04:01:42 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 16, 2013, 03:49:27 PM
Organic refers to any molecule with a carbon-oxygen or carbon-hydrogen bond. How the statists, environmentalists, and newage nutbars mean it is a complete mystery to me.

Is there any evidence that the people mentioned eat non GMOs?
All I can find is crap from natural news. Which probably means its not true.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 16, 2013, 04:14:59 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 16, 2013, 04:01:42 PM
Is there any evidence that the people mentioned eat non GMOs?

Technically, corn and wheat are GMOs. This is why I hate these kinds of conversations.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 16, 2013, 05:00:34 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 16, 2013, 04:14:59 PM
Technically, corn and wheat are GMOs. This is why I hate these kinds of conversations.

Isn't pretty much everything we eat a GMO? As far as I know, organic shops will sell you chicken meat, not "Red Junglefowl" meat, or whatever the wild version of that animal is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 16, 2013, 05:14:06 PM
Quote from: VectorM on April 16, 2013, 05:00:34 PM
Isn't pretty much everything we eat a GMO? As far as I know, organic shops will sell you chicken meat, not "Red Junglefowl" meat, or whatever the wild version of that animal is.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 16, 2013, 05:29:13 PM
Oh lawdie let the ridiculous conspiracies begin!

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 16, 2013, 06:46:17 PM
Remember when I said fringeelements officially lost his god damned mind? Yeah, I take that back.

NOW he has officially lost what was left of his god damned mind.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on April 16, 2013, 07:14:54 PM
Quote from: D on April 16, 2013, 05:29:13 PM
Oh lawdie let the ridiculous conspiracies begin!

[yt]_Y6a9IyrQVs[/yt]

Have these guys ever heard of pareidolia or Apophenia? Shane did an entire show on it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 17, 2013, 04:14:23 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/644759_10151521528360914_1377497671_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 17, 2013, 04:35:34 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 17, 2013, 04:14:23 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/644759_10151521528360914_1377497671_n.png)

All of a sudden, the tyranny isn't so imagined...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 17, 2013, 04:41:12 PM
(https://lh3.ggpht.com/-jYIg0KH7LvI/UOTmC_100WI/AAAAAAAAE30/uSY6uwM1sT8/s1600/2nd.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 17, 2013, 04:42:01 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 17, 2013, 04:41:12 PM
(https://lh3.ggpht.com/-jYIg0KH7LvI/UOTmC_100WI/AAAAAAAAE30/uSY6uwM1sT8/s1600/2nd.jpg)

Wow. Doesn't know much history, does he?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 17, 2013, 04:48:22 PM
In this edition of Spot the Warhawk, we have Nathaniel Greene, who responded to my friend Matt about Iraqis being killed:

QuoteAnd whats wrong with that dude they struck the heart of america and it was terrorist whether islamic or not. its a big issue and it does infact make a difference who set the bomb. we need to know our enemies and if their foreign then thats more reason to retaliate!

Oh, but the fail doesn't end there folks. When I sarcastically said, "LET'S JUST BOMB EVERYONE! THAT WILL SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS" he said, and was quite serious about it:
QuoteIt will.. no more enemies equals no more threats. plus if we show our dominance by creating an example of what happens to those who mess with the u.s. nobody will!

The event in Boston was not big enough to act on but im just saying im tired of our country being run by a bunch of pussy left wing liberals that are afraid of armies.

Obvious fail, not only because of the blatant fact that this person is psychotic, but he is seriously implying that the LEFT WING are afraid of war?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 17, 2013, 07:49:10 PM
The fail from Nathaniel continues:
Quotehave you ever heard the saying you are who you hang around with. If a cop arrest some guy on the street he usually checks the dudes buddies right? drones are a great idea sure maybe a couple of innocent people die but it sure beats losing alot more of our soldiers who fight for us everyday.
Quotehaha nice but the cycle started with 911 man. And like I said 9 times out of ten if their hanging with a terrorist then most likely they are in fact a terrorist or may grow up to become one. if you look at the successful missions carried out by drones the amount of innocents killed is not that high. and its totally worth it with the success rate!
Quotekeep in mind that we lose our soldiers. REAL AMERICANS and alot of them trying to protect just a couple of their innocent people. mathmatically that equals more deaths and thats not right. Drones save lives!!
QuoteNot only do they save more lives but they saves our soldiers lives. and yes even though itheir soldiers they are also innocent people as well who fight for our country everyday.

You read that right folks...drones save lives.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 17, 2013, 08:15:58 PM
Quote from: D on April 17, 2013, 07:49:10 PM
The fail from Nathaniel continues:
You read that right folks...drones save lives.

Even though the drone operators themselves don't always know whom they've killed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 17, 2013, 08:25:06 PM
QuoteAnti-statism is logically consistent within the tenets of it's ideology, but logically fails when it comes to any kind of practical application of it.

Temerit jsut loves his masters.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 17, 2013, 08:38:50 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 17, 2013, 08:15:58 PM
Even though the drone operators themselves don't always know whom they've killed.

But that doesn't matter because according to Nathaniel, they're probably guilty by association.

Yes, he seriously used that as an argument for killing innocent civilians.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 17, 2013, 09:03:31 PM
Cripes, I think the witch hunts used more scrutiny than this clown.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 17, 2013, 09:07:30 PM
Called this asshole out on his cherry picking bullshit.

Said the following:
Quotewow my friend you sure don't understand do you? A percent was all i was after that percent 23% to 25% stays constant. Thats a one in four chance of killing a non-combatant (in case your not good at numbers) in situations that put OUR Guys in danger. Overall not many non-combatants have been lost. I would estimate maybe 2000 and some odd hundred. Now doesn't that seem so much better compared to the 4,287 dead and 30,182 wounded American soldiers? I thinks so.
QuoteYou see your information relys totally on the back of bullshit fairy liberals who want the war to come to an end. Honestly I think the war should come to an end, but I think no matter what the facts should always be true so people can form their own opinions as they please.

And now gentlemen...this just got entertaining.
Quoteby better i mean the number of total deaths drop significantly.. And yes im an American!! I have pride in my fucking country even if were turning into a bunch of queers and are led by an idiot. The loss of someone in the middle east will never effect me as much as one of our own will thats just how it is. Its not because im christian and thier not, its not because im white and their brown its not because we have brick houses electricity and running water and they have mud huts its because im an American and I feel like WE SHOULD PROTECT OUR OWN IF POSSIBLE, EPECIALLY SOLDIERS THAT PROTECT OUR HOME!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 18, 2013, 08:43:54 AM
Usually Reality Check is pretty spot on. This time, however, Ben Swann decided that he wanted to peddle conspiracy theory garbage before we know anything about who actually perpetrated the bombing.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 18, 2013, 08:58:10 AM
I'll put this here too:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 18, 2013, 05:19:03 PM
Oh hey, it's that waste of space Bill Maher saying something stupid again:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 18, 2013, 07:34:35 PM
I was under the impression people made their money off of making people better.

why does Bill Maher hate doctors?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 18, 2013, 07:50:52 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on April 18, 2013, 07:34:35 PM
I was under the impression people made their money off of making people better.

why does Bill Maher hate doctors?

Because he's a baby killer, literally
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 18, 2013, 08:18:39 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 18, 2013, 07:50:52 PM
Because he's a baby killer, literally
Such is the results of him being an anti-vaxxer and germ theory denialist I would imagine.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 18, 2013, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 18, 2013, 08:18:39 PM
Such is the results of him being an anti-vaxxer and germ theory denialist I would imagine.

I just can't wait till he is in a situation where he has no choice but either take the medicine, or be crippled/killed. see if he's willing to put his money and life where his mouth is. yet I feel he won't.

@ R.E.H.W.R: well, I was being rhetorical, but point made :D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 19, 2013, 10:46:11 AM
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Needless to say, the title is misleading.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 19, 2013, 11:30:49 AM
Watching a Let's Play of Metal Gear Solid. During one of the cutscenes, the character Otacon says:
QuoteScience has always thrived on war.

The greatest weapons of mass destruction were created by scientists who wanted to be famous.
Skip to 9:25 for the line.
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Skip to 16:01 and you hear Solid Snake, the main character, say this MASSIVE fail.
QuoteThe only winners in war are the people.

No Snake, they're not the winners.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 19, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: D on April 19, 2013, 10:46:11 AM
Needless to say, the title is misleading.

Wow, afraid of the question much? Yeah, way to go, bully a guy who was making a valid point just because you have no response to it. Way to show the Christian love...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 19, 2013, 12:03:39 PM
Quote from: D on April 19, 2013, 11:30:49 AM
Watching a Let's Play of Metal Gear Solid. During one of the cutscenes, the character Otacon says:Skip to 9:25 for the line.
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Skip to 16:01 and you hear Solid Snake, the main character, say this MASSIVE fail.
No Snake, they're not the winners.

I think Snake learned from that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 19, 2013, 12:04:08 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 19, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
Wow, afraid of the question much? Yeah, way to go, bully a guy who was making a valid point just because you have no response to it. Way to show the Christian love...

Cliffe Knechtle is a massive douche. ABC airs his nonsense on Sunday mornings after This Week and he is unwatchable.



Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 19, 2013, 07:40:47 PM
Fail in red my stuff in blue.


Ooooh! Clever! I've never heard that one before. Here's the thing. You need the governmant's permission to actually do that. You know with customs and the expatriot tax? Oh and I can't forget the fact that there are people who have been out of the country for YEARS and yet the IRS is still collecting "back taxes" from them.

Get a passport. Go to a friendly country. Go to a less friendly country. Go to Congo. Collect $200.

If you're off living in the Congo, why does it matter if the IRS is keeping track of back taxes?

So "Love It Or Leave It" completely fails as an argument from all sides.

No it doesn't. You say it fails because to acknowledge it would be to acknowledge that you want all the benefits of living in the US without any of the responsibility.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2013, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 19, 2013, 07:40:47 PMNo it doesn't. You say it fails because to acknowledge it would be to acknowledge that you want all the benefits of living in the US without any of the responsibility.

Oh, the irony...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 19, 2013, 10:31:42 PM
Even after they captured the guy alive, the conspiracy theorists are STILL at it!

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GOD FUCKING DAMMIT!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 20, 2013, 10:12:17 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-4-most-meaningless-arguments-against-gun-control/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 20, 2013, 12:24:11 PM
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Typical Pat Condell affair as far as his bigotry towards Muslims goes. Though the reason I'm posting this video is because for some strange reason, he thinks that liberals and progressives are somehow different...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 21, 2013, 01:27:38 PM
A fail quote from the radio on the way back to university:
"Government spending always makes sense from a financial perspective; it won't be that big an impact on people's financial decisions."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 21, 2013, 03:36:57 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 21, 2013, 01:27:38 PM
A fail quote from the radio on the way back to university:
"Government spending always makes sense from a financial perspective; it won't be that big an impact on people's financial decisions."

yeah, right.

I owe 30,000 dollars because of Government jizzing on our education system...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on April 21, 2013, 06:57:30 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on April 21, 2013, 03:36:57 PM
yeah, right.

I owe 30,000 dollars because of Government jizzing on our education system...

does that include interest?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 21, 2013, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on April 21, 2013, 06:57:30 PM
does that include interest?

unfortunately, no. that's ~5-6%.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on April 21, 2013, 11:16:23 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on April 21, 2013, 09:40:03 PM
unfortunately, no. that's ~5-6%.

This actually make me feel kinda glad that I am currently not  attending a university.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 22, 2013, 01:07:38 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on April 21, 2013, 11:16:23 PM
This actually make me feel kinda glad that I am currently not  attending a university.

shit, I'm not attending either. graduated 11 months ago.

And just wait till you hear the best part: I'm unemployed. I can't find anyone who will just hire me already--not even to flip burgers. just last month I was told that I was to be hired as a mud-logger (great pay and benefits), only to have the process halted by the higher ups (this was after an interview and everything went perfectly), to be--get this--"resumed in May" (i.e., they're jerking me around). and payments are due may 12th. I have applied everywhere I could think of and find, and only 2 places called back. one to tell me he'd love to, and the other is what I mentioned above. bear in mind, I was at the top of my class, with a degree in Geology--which is one of the better places ATM.

I'd apply for deferment (again), but it'll just mean my interest will build up, and be added to the principle. and I can't get out with bankruptcy protection (thanks congress!). my life at this point is ruined--and there's nothing I can do about it, since no one will hire me, and I can't start a business in this place.

they give you loans (in my case, forced on me), and expect you to pay them back, knowing full well that is increasingly unlikely: why the student population hasn't risen up in revolt and brought back the severed heads of those dicks responsible is beyond me--because frankly, I want to do that myself. I'm already trying to get people to listen, but they're too fucking stupid.

when they say you need a fucking degree to get a job? they're lying. one is in this day and age little better off with a BS or BA--even in Engineering or medicine. at least those who never went, owe not a government sanctioned bloodsucker any money. Which is why you are lucky--and smart. if you want a degree, leave the country, go to a place where it's cheap (and there are places), and don't come back--at least till you have that BS or BA. you'll do yourself a favor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on April 22, 2013, 01:52:09 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on April 22, 2013, 01:07:38 AM
shit, I'm not attending either. graduated 11 months ago.

And just wait till you hear the best part: I'm unemployed. I can't find anyone who will just hire me already--not even to flip burgers. just last month I was told that I was to be hired as a mud-logger (great pay and benefits), only to have the process halted by the higher ups (this was after an interview and everything went perfectly), to be--get this--"resumed in May" (i.e., they're jerking me around). and payments are due may 12th. I have applied everywhere I could think of and find, and only 2 places called back. one to tell me he'd love to, and the other is what I mentioned above. bear in mind, I was at the top of my class, with a degree in Geology--which is one of the better places ATM.

I'd apply for deferment (again), but it'll just mean my interest will build up, and be added to the principle. and I can't get out with bankruptcy protection (thanks congress!). my life at this point is ruined--and there's nothing I can do about it, since no one will hire me, and I can't start a business in this place.

they give you loans (in my case, forced on me), and expect you to pay them back, knowing full well that is increasingly unlikely: why the student population hasn't risen up in revolt and brought back the severed heads of those dicks responsible is beyond me--because frankly, I want to do that myself. I'm already trying to get people to listen, but they're too fucking stupid.

when they say you need a fucking degree to get a job? they're lying. one is in this day and age little better off with a BS or BA--even in Engineering or medicine. at least those who never went, owe not a government sanctioned bloodsucker any money. Which is why you are lucky--and smart. if you want a degree, leave the country, go to a place where it's cheap (and there are places), and don't come back--at least till you have that BS or BA. you'll do yourself a favor.

I'm currently attending a community college. Prices are going up but I have to admit it is still a helluva lot cheaper and more affordable than a university, they're even cheaper than most my California State Universities.

Hearing your story I think I would be better off opening a hot dog cart business, that's if the the regulating bureaucratic shitheads didn't make it hard with all the licensing etc, and if/when I get over my fear of driving. Or going to a vocational/trade school to learn actual marketable skills.

BTW hearing your story and hearing a'lot of stories of students in debt I really wonder if college graduates making a million dollars more is true, or if it's skewed stat. Anyone knows?

I even heard of some students graduating with 50 to a 100 grand in debt (not including the interest).

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 22, 2013, 03:11:57 PM
Didn't watch the whole thing yet, but I'm pretty sure this is fail just from the title alone.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 22, 2013, 03:37:46 PM
@ skm: the statistics do no IIRC consider unemployment, and are from before the recession (I remember hearing it before the recession started). As to the 50-100% debt: that is an understatement (and only for employed people). in my case, it's even greater, as I have no work.

a trade or vocational school sounds good. just be careful with prices: they're going up pretty sharply too. there's nothing wrong with it either. an associates from a community college is also good.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 22, 2013, 06:06:15 PM
Oh look, they're blaming the sequester on something.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 22, 2013, 06:32:52 PM
More bullshit from our local news station, this time in the paranormal variety:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 22, 2013, 08:42:40 PM
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Connecticut schools having controversy due to a shirt, despite the fact that there was nothing in the school handbook saying that guns were not allowed on shirts.

Also, the comments section is loaded with fail on their Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151308682865736&set=a.155755875735.121669.48010180735&type=1).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 23, 2013, 10:01:24 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 23, 2013, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: D on April 23, 2013, 10:01:24 AM
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Henry Ford was a Liberal?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 23, 2013, 01:14:12 PM
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jan/18/mark-shields/pbs-commentator-mark-shields-says-more-killed-guns/

Had this cited as an argument for gun control.  Already I'm seeing it's pulling the same stunt of counting suicides which is grossly misleading.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 23, 2013, 02:31:36 PM
(http://i34.tinypic.com/o53xic.jpg)

You know, because drones are always precise and never kill innocent bystanders.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 23, 2013, 08:38:44 PM
More fail from Austin Petersen.

QuotePop Quiz Anarcho-Hotshots: Chechnyan Terrorists kill a 12 year old American girls entire family. Since you don't believe in a government, should she have to hire mercenaries privately, or should she be forced to go over to Chechnya to seek justice on her own?

I take it he's never seen True Grit...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 23, 2013, 08:42:12 PM
Quote from: D on April 23, 2013, 08:38:44 PM
More fail from Austin Petersen.

I take it he's never seen True Grit...

definitely needs to see it. pretty good movie: good moral story too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 23, 2013, 10:38:19 PM
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You gotta love union morons.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 23, 2013, 11:17:46 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on April 23, 2013, 08:42:12 PM
definitely needs to see it. pretty good movie: good moral story too.

Coen Brothers' version is good; John Wayne's not so much.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 23, 2013, 11:53:04 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 23, 2013, 11:17:46 PM
Coen Brothers' version is good; John Wayne's not so much.

I was thinking the former actually: it is indeed the superior version.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 24, 2013, 12:53:59 AM
http://comments.deviantart.com/1/366811218/3025737074

Gotta love anti gun airheads.  "You gotta read all my claims but I get to blow yours off by calling them conspiracy theories!  Derp!"

Does the arrogance and presumptuousness of the statist truly know no bounds?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 24, 2013, 03:57:04 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 24, 2013, 12:53:59 AM
http://comments.deviantart.com/1/366811218/3025737074

Gotta love anti gun airheads.  "You gotta read all my claims but I get to blow yours off by calling them conspiracy theories!  Derp!"

Does the arrogance and presumptuousness of the statist truly know no bounds?

As long as we're playing the correlation= causation fallacy, Maybe you should mention that governments censor violent video games in most western nations.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on April 24, 2013, 06:39:48 AM
This is the kind of "No True Scotsman" BS that I hate when libertarians of any persuasion pull on each other

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/936508_448761305211216_1058751758_n.png (https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/936508_448761305211216_1058751758_n.png)

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 24, 2013, 07:12:40 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on April 24, 2013, 06:39:48 AM
This is the kind of "No True Scotsman" BS that I hate when libertarians of any persuasion pull on each other

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/936508_448761305211216_1058751758_n.png (https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/936508_448761305211216_1058751758_n.png)

Yeah, it's full on dumbass. I think it started when Austin Petersen was on his trolling rampage defending the use of drones because Rand Paul said he would use a drone to take out a liquor store robber.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 24, 2013, 09:43:04 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on April 24, 2013, 06:39:48 AM
This is the kind of "No True Scotsman" BS that I hate when libertarians of any persuasion pull on each other

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/936508_448761305211216_1058751758_n.png (https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/936508_448761305211216_1058751758_n.png)

How is Libertarian Girl not a "real" libertarian?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 24, 2013, 07:05:04 PM
Oh boy! It's another Voice of the People segment. This time people were calling in about the boy from Guilford who wore a pro-2nd Amendment shirt to school.

April of New Haven and Mary of Milford have decided that apparently not only do they think the 2nd Amendment is "inappropriate" but so is the 1st.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 24, 2013, 07:54:32 PM
What I posted was from last night. Here is tonight's Voice of the People, which contains death penalty fail and more fail about that shirt.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on April 24, 2013, 08:44:35 PM
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bush deregulated the financial sector? *head desk* *head desk* *head desk*

Oh the stupid! it burns!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 24, 2013, 10:18:28 PM
http://reason.com/reasontv/2013/04/19/matt-welch-discusses-public-education-se

The other panelist. Ugh. If I ever find out who invented the world "collective" and had a time machine I might punch them in the mouth.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 24, 2013, 11:06:04 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on April 24, 2013, 08:44:35 PM
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bush deregulated the financial sector? *head desk* *head desk* *head desk*

Oh the stupid! it burns!

Yeah, and with businesses all you can do is write a strongly-worded letter. You can't boycott, go with a competitor that does better, or start your own competing business, and the Better Business Bureau? What's what?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on April 25, 2013, 01:26:21 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 24, 2013, 12:53:59 AM
http://comments.deviantart.com/1/366811218/3025737074

Gotta love anti gun airheads.  "You gotta read all my claims but I get to blow yours off by calling them conspiracy theories!  Derp!"

Does the arrogance and presumptuousness of the statist truly know no bounds?

I have to tell the people who bring up Australia having 13 mass shootings for 20 years prior to 1996 and no shootings afterward. New Zealand had only had FIVE shootings within that time period and there was only one more in 1997 and no shooting since. And it is legal to own handguns and military style semi automatic rifles down there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 25, 2013, 08:20:22 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 23, 2013, 01:14:12 PM
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jan/18/mark-shields/pbs-commentator-mark-shields-says-more-killed-guns/

Had this cited as an argument for gun control.  Already I'm seeing it's pulling the same stunt of counting suicides which is grossly misleading.

aand, I see a problem right there: "U.S." wars. And since '68, which would leave out the big ones:  WWI, WWII, The Civil War, and so on. Very disingenuous.
Also, last I checked, U.S wars ain't the only ones.  How about the millions killed by the Nazis, or the hundreds of millions killed by communism? Oh, nvm, he does include WWI, WWII, but...wait...WHAT? not even a million deaths from WWII?     Um...because clearly the other people killed (e.g. by nazis) or the fact that we entered both WWI and WWII late clearly hadn't a single thing to do with THAT!
What a disingenious prick!
Hell, how about the 1/2 a million Iraqi Children killed by the Clinton Administration?  That alone would bump the numbers up to put guns below it, even WITH the bogus metrics he's using!
Or, if you expand it to govco in general, how about the 4+ million killed just by the FDA alone (Love you, Ruwart! :3) by denying/delaying lifesaving drugs?

Finally, all of this avoids the elephant in the room.  That govco was still there and HAD laws against these things (gun murders and /sigh yes, suicide too IIRC).  So, that means all the laws we have for them (20k+ last time Harry Browne checked and still climbing) are clearly not working...because if 20k laws didn't do it, 20k + 1 will! (as Harry Browne has said!)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 25, 2013, 08:25:27 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on April 24, 2013, 08:44:35 PM
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bush deregulated the financial sector? *head desk* *head desk* *head desk*

Oh the stupid! it burns!

The fact that he even saw the need to include Bush's in a video supposedly about "Libertarianism" pretty much makes it a fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on April 25, 2013, 08:33:51 PM
Greatest fail on the internet. http://planet.infowars.com/groups/dating-freedom-lovers/ (http://planet.infowars.com/groups/dating-freedom-lovers/)

Yes, Alex Jones started a dating site.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 25, 2013, 08:36:47 PM
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SEQUESTER?! WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on April 25, 2013, 08:54:26 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 25, 2013, 08:20:22 PM
aand, I see a problem right there: "U.S." wars. And since '68, which would leave out the big ones:  WWI, WWII, The Civil War, and so on. Very disingenuous.
Also, last I checked, U.S wars ain't the only ones.  How about the millions killed by the Nazis, or the hundreds of millions killed by communism? Oh, nvm, he does include WWI, WWII, but...wait...WHAT? not even a million deaths from WWII?     Um...because clearly the other people killed (e.g. by nazis) or the fact that we entered both WWI and WWII late clearly hadn't a single thing to do with THAT!
What a disingenious prick!
Hell, how about the 1/2 a million Iraqi Children killed by the Clinton Administration?  That alone would bump the numbers up to put guns below it, even WITH the bogus metrics he's using!
Or, if you expand it to govco in general, how about the 4+ million killed just by the FDA alone (Love you, Ruwart! :3) by denying/delaying lifesaving drugs?

Finally, all of this avoids the elephant in the room.  That govco was still there and HAD laws against these things (gun murders and /sigh yes, suicide too IIRC).  So, that means all the laws we have for them (20k+ last time Harry Browne checked and still climbing) are clearly not working...because if 20k laws didn't do it, 20k + 1 will! (as Harry Browne has said!)

Their response: Waaaaah! That doesn't count because they were not killed with guns and it was done by my favorite politician!!! WAAAAAAAAAAA!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 25, 2013, 09:33:48 PM
Quote from: D on April 25, 2013, 08:36:47 PM
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SEQUESTER?! WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!

OMFG!! will someone think of the TJ Babies?! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwCxlGvy2g8) (skip to @ 6:47)

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 25, 2013, 11:32:03 PM
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Aww.  How cute! She thinks she's smart. ^_^
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 25, 2013, 11:47:27 PM
Few things make me angrier than people who go on about how libertarians/anarchists/etc are "selfish heartless people" while blowing off things like, say, NDAA, Drone killings, or deaths caused by wait times from the NHS, etc because "it dun effect me, eye only go for issues that are close to home! hur dur!"/"If it dun effect me personally, it dun exist."

Yeah...*eye twitch*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 26, 2013, 12:03:07 AM
"3) North Dakota isn't free because it bans abortion.

The biggest critique of this study is how North Dakota ranks as the freest state despite having the strictest restrictions against abortions. As the blurb to the Salon article sarcastically remarks: "Sorry, women! Your "freedoms" aren't as important as freedom from excessive taxation."

To be fair, libertarians are split when it comes to abortion. Some believe a woman's "bodily autonomy" includes her "right" to have an abortion, while other like myself rightfully believe that a woman's "right" to her body does not include the "right" to take the life of her unborn child. Some believe this is a federal issue, while others believe it should be left to the states. Despite this schism, most libertarians agree that abortions should not be government-funded.

But even if this wasn't a divisive issue among libertarians, and they all believed that "reproductive rights" do not cover abortion, so what? As I said before, a woman's "right" to her body ends where the life of another human being begins.

Sorry, but feminazis complaining about being denied their "right" to have an abortion is as heart-wrenching as slave owners whining about being denied their "right" to own slaves."--BlameThe1st: http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/art/Freedom-In-The-50-States-P-O-Libtards-363185351

A shitstain from an otherwise very well written and sourced journal entry.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 26, 2013, 12:52:57 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on April 25, 2013, 11:32:03 PM
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Aww.  How cute! She thinks she's smart. ^_^

And while I'm at it, the video's description:

"The biggest problem I have with libertarians, is when you ask them whether they are willing to accept the extreme logical consequences of their position, they either deny it will happen, or deny they can accept it.

I have no problem with people who have no heart, I have a problem with people who deny their nature and belief.

This is a LOT like socialized healthcare. If you asked a socialist whether he's willing to make a whole country poor just for healthcare equality, you can reasonably expect many to say YES. But if you asked a libertarian whether he's willing to have some dead on streets as a result of not having socialized coverage or means, they are VERY reluctant to say "yes". They'll try to say "well, but the alternative is worse!"

Or , if you're anti-gun, pro-gun control, you should be willing to accept that some people are killed as a result of not being armed. Likewise, if you are pro-gun, anti-gun laws, you should be willing to accept that accidents happen which would not had the guns not been available or accessible.

Most common response : " But that'll never happen" or "What if I am willing". But what if you are willing, but unable. Sure, there may be tons of people "willing" to feed a starving person, but unable, would they steal to get it done, or respect private property and leave the person to die? They cannot do both."

TL;DR version:  Projection so hard it could be seen from the moon in 1080p and with studio quality sound.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 26, 2013, 04:38:04 PM
http://www.care2.com/greenliving/how-to-win-a-gmo-debate-top-10-facts-why-gm-food-is-bad.html?page=1
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 26, 2013, 04:57:00 PM
Just about everyone so far who's commented on a "BOGUS" graphic on the Bogosity Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/MrBogosity
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 26, 2013, 05:07:17 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 26, 2013, 04:38:04 PM
http://www.care2.com/greenliving/how-to-win-a-gmo-debate-top-10-facts-why-gm-food-is-bad.html?page=1

10-the AAEM are known quacks: they are against anything even remotely linked with pollution (like vaccines--particularly ones with Mercury), and are in favor of the non-diagnostic BS called MCS. also, GMO's are not dangerous, or "unhealthy": no more than any other domesticated plant.

9-"contamination" of the gene pool is bogosity: genes are meant to be crossed and shared through sexual reproduction. nature takes care of the rest. if the traits are good, it will be selected in favor. if not, it will die out in the wild. if neutral, it will not dominate, but still remain within the population. either way, it isn't necessarily "forever". besides, the same BS is used by racial supremecists.

8-that's a good thing. you don't want your crops ruined for the year, do you? or would you rather risk starvation, especially in 3rd world countries? and what's with the whole Monsanto conspiracy BS? and besides, tolerance to Herbicide =/=greater toxicity. it's a non sequetur.

7-no such dangerous side effects have been demonstrated by any official peer reviewed sources, or any proper research. all research these people refer to has been debunked, rejected, or ignored by the mainstream.

6-I'd argue there is too much government oversight. and even if there wasn't, it's not as if the dangers wouldn't have been caught by now....we live in an age where things are overturned quickly--ideas and theorems especially.

5-No one uses agent Orange, its effects having been demonstrated in Vietnam. DDT is rarely used (and it's dangers are completely blown out of proportion--thanks LTH), and PCB's are illegal in most countries--including the US. if someone is using it, it is in spite of government. which tells you how well government works.

4-No, it isn't. these people get fired, because they're incompetent, there was a cut in the department, or both. no one is stopping them from spewing BS, as they're BS is freely available online and on TV (unfortunately).

3-repitition of points above. no, it doesn't harm the environment. the loss of Monarch butterflies has to do with pesticide use, and climate change, not with the plants themselves. and they're a pain in the ass anyways.

2-that is an outright lie. food production has generally increased. what these people are doing is looking at a few bad years, and blaming it on GMO's, forgetting that agriculture is an often unpredictable business in terms of yield, and has been since its invention. And Norman Borlaug's GM's (which involved monoculture rather than needles) have been credited with saving near a billion lives. (and yes, he endorsed GMO's).

1-and decreasing the total amount of food in the world, killing millions. congratulations, you are little better than Genghis Khan.


at the end, I leave you with the late Borlaug's opinion of these nutbars:

Quote from: Norman Borlaugsome of the environmental lobbyists of the Western nations are the salt of the earth, but many of them are elitists. They've never experienced the physical sensation of hunger. They do their lobbying from comfortable office suites in Washington or Brussels. If they lived just one month amid the misery of the developing world, as I have for fifty years, they'd be crying out for tractors and fertilizer and irrigation canals and be outraged that fashionable elitists back home were trying to deny them these things
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on April 26, 2013, 07:18:51 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 26, 2013, 07:20:37 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on April 26, 2013, 07:18:51 PM
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...
*brain explodes*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 27, 2013, 11:22:15 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 27, 2013, 07:05:44 PM
/sigh
So for those wondering why I posted the movie and questioned whether or not it was bullshit, t'was because my mom pushed me into watching it.
And just now, we had the following exchange:
"So what did you think of the movie?"
"I thought it was interesting."
"Do you deny the stuff in the movie"
"I dunno."
"Well, will you know when the floods come?"

Personally, I'm in favor of teaching other end of the world bullshit myself. :D
But seriously, the alarmists seriously need to STFU.
I'll take them all a LOT more seriously when:
1.  They stop making special exceptions for govco--it is the world's biggest polluter and by extension the biggest source of that shit.  Or at the very least, the one most responsible for it (gas subsidies?  road subsidies?  Never heard of those! And I doubt that's all. :3)
2.  The politics is removed from it, both in the science AND 'solutions'.
3.  When the people screaming the loudest about it start practicing what they preach.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 28, 2013, 10:22:56 AM
http://clashdaily.com/2013/04/the-fool-says-there-is-no-god/

sigh.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 28, 2013, 01:56:06 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 28, 2013, 10:22:56 AM
http://clashdaily.com/2013/04/the-fool-says-there-is-no-god/

sigh.
he fabricated Hawking quotes were a nice touch (although it leads me to wonder if the author of the article fabricated them or if it was ABC that did).  Hawking pointed out, many years ago, that the Anthropic Principle means that it should not be surprising that we live in a region of a universe that satisfies the requirements of our existence because if conditions were different we wouldn't be here to observe the different conditions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 28, 2013, 06:26:21 PM
Feel the butthurt: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/knaves-fools-and-me-meta/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 28, 2013, 06:29:13 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 28, 2013, 06:26:21 PM
Feel the butthurt: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/knaves-fools-and-me-meta/

Massive fail in the comments, too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 28, 2013, 10:02:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 28, 2013, 06:26:21 PM
Feel the butthurt: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/knaves-fools-and-me-meta/

The butthu--excuse me, assmad ;-P--is strong with this one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 29, 2013, 05:50:43 PM
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Governor Dannel Malloy backs economic illiteracy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 29, 2013, 07:04:51 PM
Gotta love the fail that comes every time I debunk an anti-vaccination myth: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=602627083081057&set=a.508311029179330.124056.343696165640818
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 29, 2013, 08:06:30 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 29, 2013, 07:04:51 PM
Gotta love the fail that comes every time I debunk an anti-vaccination myth: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=602627083081057&set=a.508311029179330.124056.343696165640818

Including one guy that just tried to claim that the outbreak in Swansea proves that vaccines don't work, when it happened with LOWER vaccination rates!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 30, 2013, 11:20:09 AM
>Thinking that government and "the state" are two separate things

That's just silly.

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/480908_535325816506005_626616714_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on April 30, 2013, 04:22:35 PM
Spoken like a true statist
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 30, 2013, 05:18:27 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 30, 2013, 05:29:30 PM
https://www.facebook.com/progressivethinker1/posts/248329071974726:0

Gotta love progressive morons.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 30, 2013, 07:46:17 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on April 30, 2013, 04:22:35 PM
Spoken like a true statist
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/sigh
Of course it's New York doing that crap. >_<
And yeah, sounds like full on elitism imho.  I mean, Panera Bread? WTF?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 01, 2013, 06:48:54 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 01, 2013, 08:19:40 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 30, 2013, 05:18:27 PM
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Awww! How cute! It thinks it can think!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 01, 2013, 02:54:32 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 01, 2013, 08:19:40 AM
Awww! How cute! It thinks it can think!

Plus he uses Krugman blogs as evidence,
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 01, 2013, 02:59:47 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 01, 2013, 02:54:32 PM
Plus he uses Krugman blogs as evidence,

I really wish I had a time machine so I can go back and beat the hell out of Thomas Malthus
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 01, 2013, 03:18:55 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 01, 2013, 03:02:50 PM
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I'm not sure I see the fail here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 01, 2013, 03:49:30 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 01, 2013, 03:18:55 PM
I'm not sure I see the fail here.

Wrong place.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 01, 2013, 05:38:05 PM
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Some tell me this insanity isn't true.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 01, 2013, 06:00:18 PM
The failt hat I just experianced is too extensive to  put in quotes. I'll link to it instead. Most of it iscoming from Sparkling Fairy Dust (a rather telling name)

WARNING: Proceed with caution.Levels of fail contained within the linked thread are extremely dangerous, possibly lethal.

http://tinyurl.com/czr622s


Anyone else feel free to comment. I'mjust completley dumbstruck by thge idiocy inthe thread.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 01, 2013, 06:18:17 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 01, 2013, 06:00:18 PM
The failt hat I just experianced is too extensive to  put in quotes. I'll link to it instead. Most of it iscoming from Sparkling Fairy Dust (a rather telling name)

WARNING: Proceed with caution.Levels of fail contained within the linked thread are extremely dangerous, possibly lethal.

http://tinyurl.com/czr622s


Anyone else feel free to comment. I'mjust completley dumbstruck by thge idiocy inthe thread.

"Effectively 100% of the violence is done by legal gun owners, or criminals that buy guns from legal gun owners."


Is he fucking serious with that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 01, 2013, 06:35:55 PM
You should totally joinin again
R.E.H.W.R.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 01, 2013, 09:01:29 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 02, 2013, 08:03:41 PM
SlayerEndX13 has finally gone off the deep end in these comments:

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This one has to be the topper:

QuoteUmm... you didn't really prove anything, actually. If you'd like, I can even supply some links to people who caught you in your act.

Here's one: /watch?v=4BlDeiDtFnM

Apparently, you tend to lose these types of arguments a LOT. Enough to warrant an entire Youtube community devoted to proving you are not only a liar, but also desperately wrong.

And to save you going to that video: it's the one from Billburns2!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 02, 2013, 08:07:06 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 02, 2013, 08:03:41 PM
SlayerEndX13 has finally gone off the deep end in these comments:

And after insisting he never lied and I posted 11 easily-verifiable lies he told, he came back with this:

QuoteI see you finally realized I've been using your own debate tactics against you.

So, Shane, how does it feel?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 02, 2013, 08:20:58 PM
@Shane--oh gods...he just posted a video from FSAthe1st in the comments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 02, 2013, 08:55:44 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 02, 2013, 09:18:55 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 02, 2013, 08:07:06 PM
And after insisting he never lied and I posted 11 easily-verifiable lies he told, he came back with this:

I find something odd here when I look in the comment section his comments are rated unusually high and yours keep getting negative votes all the time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 02, 2013, 11:19:57 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on May 02, 2013, 09:18:55 PM
I find something odd here when I look in the comment section his comments are rated usually high and yours keep getting negative votes all the time.

the guy's a chickenshit then.

frankly though, having a guy this dishonest (and blatantly so), harassing people on YT, is no where near as much fail as having a midlife crisis at 23.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 03, 2013, 12:35:05 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 02, 2013, 11:19:57 PM
the guy's a chickenshit then.

frankly though, having a guy this dishonest (and blatantly so), harassing people on YT, is no where near as much fail as having a midlife crisis at 23.

Could there be a vote bot that can do this or something?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 03, 2013, 08:32:07 AM
James Galbraith of the University of Texas was interviewed by Russ Roberts on the most recent episode of EconTalk: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/04/galbraith_on_in.html

IncrediFail from Galbraith at 48:27: "We relied on private charity up until the creation of the Social Security system in the 1930s, and the reality was that most people didn't live very long. And I'm enough of an economist to believe that when you pay people to do something, they'll do more of it. And what Social Security does is pay them to stay alive, and they're quite happy to take the money and live longer, which to my mind is an excellent thing."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 03, 2013, 11:10:33 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 02, 2013, 11:19:57 PMhaving a midlife crisis at 23.

Hey man I resemble that remark.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 03, 2013, 04:43:06 PM
I'm going to go ahead and mention that anything that airs on that "Scared Beyond Straight" show (read: torture porn show) deserves to be here as well.
Same with anything from Dog the Bounty Hunter.

That is all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 03, 2013, 04:58:05 PM
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I'm just putting this here because everyone they listed, I think are sociopaths not psychopaths.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 03, 2013, 05:07:37 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 03, 2013, 04:58:05 PM
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I'm just putting this here because everyone they listed, I think are sociopaths not psychopaths.

Of course as soon as I get a partnership deal with these people, someone would put one of their videos in Fail Quotes.

The timing just couldn't be better.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 03, 2013, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: D on May 03, 2013, 05:07:37 PM
Of course as soon as I get a partnership deal with these people, someone would put one of their videos in Fail Quotes.

The timing just couldn't be better.

Well...Congratulations?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 03, 2013, 09:09:13 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on May 03, 2013, 12:35:05 AM
Could there be a vote bot that can do this or something?

no evidence for that, so I can't say.

Quote from: tnuHey man I resemble that remark.

well, I was talking about myself, wondering whether it was worth it to become a geologist--to do what I always wanted for myself since forever, as I remain unemployed and without income, in spite of my best attempts. This especially as all my friends now have very lucrative jobs as geologists, having come from the same class. I feel like I'm being left out and cheated, that life is going by me and forgetting me, as it blesses all my fellow geologists with bright paths. I've been in this limbo, unable to find a graduate school to get that PhD I always wanted, and be a professor, or alternately, to find a job to pay off my school debts (which are quite enormous now). I don't even have a word to describe how I feel, but it leaves me so that food doesn't taste like it used to. I sleep, but find no rest. I watch comedy, but do not laugh--or crack a smile. time feels like it moves as a glacier, the weather always feels cold. my insides feel empty, yet my ribs feel heavy. And my mind wanders, unable to seize an idea. All good things that come to me feel hollow now, and all those from my friends seem ugly. Yet all bad things that come to me seem normal, and those that go to my friends leave me unfeeling. I only see darkness, and never notice or see the light.


sorry, I just haven't had much good news come in lately. especially trying to find work.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 03, 2013, 09:51:59 PM
"Most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States," President Obama said during a speech at Mexico's Anthropology Museum.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 03, 2013, 10:01:11 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 03, 2013, 09:51:59 PM
"Most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States," President Obama said during a speech at Mexico's Anthropology Museum.

to be fair, he's right. most do. specifically, many come in (illegally of course) to supply the drug cartels that were created by US war on drugs, creating a black market for both drugs, and weapons.

then there are the cases where the federal government was directly responsible, actually giving the cartels the weapons they want, (supposedly) in some retarded scheme to pull a sting on the cartels. remember operation fast and furious?

either way, It's the federal government's fault.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 03, 2013, 10:34:33 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 03, 2013, 10:01:11 PM
to be fair, he's right. most do. specifically, many come in (illegally of course) to supply the drug cartels that were created by US war on drugs, creating a black market for both drugs, and weapons.

then there are the cases where the federal government was directly responsible, actually giving the cartels the weapons they want, (supposedly) in some retarded scheme to pull a sting on the cartels. remember operation fast and furious?

either way, It's the federal government's fault.

What about China or Russia? Norinco was caught selling 3000 fully automatic weapons and anti tank weapons to US street gangs you know. I also have to ask them how many of those weapons traced to the United States are cold war stockpiles sent to Guatemala, El Salvador and other Central American countries during the civil wars that happened down there. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 03, 2013, 10:52:02 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 03, 2013, 08:32:07 AM
James Galbraith of the University of Texas was interviewed by Russ Roberts on the most recent episode of EconTalk: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/04/galbraith_on_in.html

IncrediFail from Galbraith at 48:27: "We relied on private charity up until the creation of the Social Security system in the 1930s, and the reality was that most people didn't live very long. And I'm enough of an economist to believe that when you pay people to do something, they'll do more of it. And what Social Security does is pay them to stay alive, and they're quite happy to take the money and live longer, which to my mind is an excellent thing."
By his 'logic' if we pay the old enough, we can make them immortal.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 03, 2013, 10:56:49 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on May 03, 2013, 10:34:33 PM
What about China or Russia? Norinco was caught selling 3000 fully automatic weapons and anti tank weapons to US street gangs you know. I also have to ask them how many of those weapons traced to the United States are cold war stockpiles sent to Guatemala, El Salvador and other Central American countries during the civil wars that happened down there.

Let's not forget the Mexican Army, whose guns (last time I checked) were made in Belgium.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 03, 2013, 11:08:43 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 03, 2013, 10:56:49 PM
Let's not forget the Mexican Army, whose guns (last time I checked) were made in Belgium.

Last time I checked the Mexico government is one of the most corrupt governments on earth. Oh I should have also mentioned Colombia and Venezuela.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 04, 2013, 12:17:40 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on May 03, 2013, 10:34:33 PM
What about China or Russia? Norinco was caught selling 3000 fully automatic weapons and anti tank weapons to US street gangs you know. I also have to ask them how many of those weapons traced to the United States are cold war stockpiles sent to Guatemala, El Salvador and other Central American countries during the civil wars that happened down there.

that is all also true.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 04, 2013, 10:55:46 AM
Sparkling Fairy Dust is at it again. Trying to justify the state.


Quotethe world would be dominated by mafia-like elements - clandestine, controlling powers that contribute absolutely nothing to the good of society.

Do I even need to say it to ay of you?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 04, 2013, 11:11:50 AM
Michael Shermer, of all people, had this to say on Facebook in regards to a recent story of a 5 year old shooting a 2 year old:
Quote from: Michael ShermerMy proposed new NRA motto: "The only thing that stops a 5-year old with a gun is a 2-year old with a gun. Arm 'em all & let God sort it out"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 05, 2013, 12:55:03 AM
What is up with some of these guys? Radetzky19, in the comments, accuse me of strawmanning, while calling me a Randian.
WTF?!?

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 05, 2013, 01:00:07 AM
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This kind of crap is why sometimes I regret not liking alcohol.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 05, 2013, 05:30:52 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 05, 2013, 08:27:54 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 05, 2013, 12:55:03 AM
What is up with some of these guys? Radetzky19, in the comments, accuse me of strawmanning, while calling me a Randian.
WTF?!?

Welcome to libertarianism, or rather debating statists about it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 05, 2013, 08:43:46 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 05, 2013, 01:00:07 AM
This kind of crap is why sometimes I regret not liking alcohol.

I don't think the word "dubious" means what he thinks it means.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 05, 2013, 10:40:31 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 05, 2013, 08:27:54 AM
Welcome to libertarianism, or rather debating statists about it.


This is the one part of libertarianism that has always amde me seirously reconsider it. My own personal mental helath.


Also, Sparkling Fairy Dust is at it again.


QuoteI like this fairytale world that you anti-statists are arguing over. As if suddenly the world will collectively decide to become anti-collective, and these suddenly anti-collective people will collectively decide to prevent people from forming collectives when they want to have more opportunity in the world.


Oh this is rich! Who wants to play spot the contradictions?


QuoteIt isn't only a problem of getting everybody to individually decide to abandon government, it's the tendency for people to collectivize when they have the same interests (malevolent or benign). Once these groups get big, they require government to function - and naturally they are going to want to take advantage of all the decentralized and disorganized people around them that aren't part of their group.


I can see at least two. Can you name them?

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 05, 2013, 04:47:05 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 06, 2013, 07:41:45 AM
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If we're going to use this to describe The Tea Party, then can we describe liberals as bottom feeding slave bitches?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 06, 2013, 12:30:06 PM
Babies shootin' babies (http://www.leonardpierce.com/blog/2013/05/03/babies-shootin-babies/)

QuoteThe longer the seemingly intractable confrontation over what is euphemistically termed "gun rights" in America drags on in these bloodied days, the more it becomes clear that what is really in play is the classic American dichotomy of Libertarian vs. Prohibitionist.  The rhetoric coming from both sides, from gun-control liberals and gun-enthusiast conservatives, is so detached from the actual realities of the gun debate that it is, to a gun-owning leftist like myself, downright alienating:  are these people even talking about the same thing?  But when you realize that these are two wet ends of the same all-or-nothing mentality, it seems much more comprehensible, if no more tractable.

The world is, of course, a terrible place, filled with terrible things that do terrible harm to terrible people, or something like that. Firearms, mixed blessing that they are, are certainly more terrible than most, having conferred on mankind the power, formerly confined to the community of the gods, to kill one another effortlessly from a distance.  But then, we have let the genie out of its bottle with all sorts of things that cause death in massive numbers:  tobacco, alcohol, automobiles, and...well, capitalism, not to put too fine a point on it.  It has generally been well-meaning liberals, not conservatives, who have approached these issues from a prohibitionist standpoint, and I don't need to tell anyone with an awareness of history how poorly it's turned out.  We're not going to get rid of guns in America any more than we're going to get rid of cars or fatty foods, so we shouldn't even try.

That, however, is an easily solved problem.  Even liberals who know they're arguing a prohibitionist approach are usually willing to admit it won't go anywhere.  The bigger issue, predictably, is what's bearing down on us from the other end of the tunnel:  the right-wing approach that throws up an absolutist libertarian pose on the issue of guns.  Using the largely imaginary specter of prohibition and seizure to scare their constituency, the gun lobby makes the expected, and expectedly stupid, argument that if we can't (and shouldn't) eliminate guns, we can't (and shouldn't) even try to control them.  In one wide, panicky hand gesture, they perform the eternal power move of all bosses everywhere:  if you can't stop something, they argue, you shouldn't even try to shape it.  Land reform, industry regulation, checks on corporate power, flaws in the electoral process, health care, worker's rights:  if everything cannot instantly be made perfect and acceptable to everyone, then it is better that nothing whatsoever be done.  If you can't stop floods from happening, you're better off drowning than you are building a dam.

That this is a cynical ruse is easy to see; that it s a cynical ruse on the part of entrenched and moneyed power structures is not much harder.  The people who claim they need guns to protect against overweening government force are the same ones who advocate for a stronger military and more police powers, thus making their precious guns more useless.  The people who claim they need guns to defend against crime are the same ones who vote against public funding and police unions, making crime more likely to proliferate.  The people who claim they need guns to hunt are the same ones who vote to turn public lands over to private profiteers, ensuring that there'll be nowhere for them to do their hunting.  And most cynically of all, the National Rifle Association, one of the most profoundly evil lobbying groups in existence, poses as a defender of the little guy and a champion of the Constitution, when it is simply a supremely successful bribery machine designed to protect and enrich a single, wealthy industry.

All of this has become painfully clear in the recent gnawing of teeth over the 'accidental' shooting of Caroline Sparks, a 2-year-old Kentucky girl killed by her 5-year-old brother Kristian last week*.  The usual suspects have patiently explained how this was unintentional; how there will likely be no charges, as the poor parents have suffered enough from the loss of their daughter and the likely psychological trauma to their son; and how, especially, this should not provoke us to rash action like reviving the gun control debate.

Where to begin with such a chain of nonsense?  Caroline Sparks' death was unintentional in the same way that a dog dying of heatstroke after being locked inside a sweltering car in the summertime or a toddler drowning after being left unattended next to a swimming pool is unintentional:  maybe no one exactly wanted it to happen, but anyone with even a sliver of good sense could have seen it coming and taken simple steps to prevent it.  The idea that the parents will receive no punishment makes sense only from the perspective that it will break up the family entirely, but what they did — and it will have to be explained to me in excruciating detail how it differs in even the least bit from negligent homicide — was so egregious that it's hard to imagine a situation in which Kristian would not be better off.  And this isn't just a good time to talk about gun regulation; the Sparks case could not be more perfect an example of why we need gun regulation if the most liberal anti-gun activists had scripted it ahead of time.

We've heard a lot of bafflegab in the papers about how shooting is a part of America's rural 'culture', and that denying kids the right to go hunting with their pops would reduce the grand old traditions of real America to so much over-regulated hash.  That's all well and good, but there are other things once sacred to the so-called rural culture — bootlegging, dueling, slavery — that we've had no problem going after with the full weight of the law.  More practically, car culture is part of the American way of life as well, but we don't find anything particularly outrageous about making kids wait until they're 14 or 15 to get behind the wheel of a motor vehicle.  Among many other things, we have found it reasonable to keep out of the hands of children such items as liquor, airplane glue, spray paint, the lever of a voting booth, and the genitals of a willing sex partner, and none of those are capable of blasting a hot piece of metal through someone's skull at the speed of sound.  Frankly, it doesn't seem all that culturally destructive to say that, until your age hits double digits, you should probably just stick to fishing.

Surely it is not hard for us to comprehend the fact that a five-year-old boy — a child of an age where it would be considered criminally negligent to leave him alone in a room containing a hot iron, a fork and an electrical socket, even a goddamn plastic bucket — cannot possibly possess the moral and intellectual capacity to be able to safely operate a firearm.  Surely it is beyond question that when you leave a loaded rifle in reach of a child still not fully in control of his bowels, you have done something easily as dangerous as racing around on the freeway at 90 per with a child of the same age bouncing around with no safety restraints.  Kristian is blameless insofar as he is a blank cultural slate; give any boy anywhere in the world a crooked stick, and he'll aim it at his sister and go "PEW!  PEW!"  His parents, irrespective of their suffering, are beyond culpable, as they handed that boy a crooked stick loaded with a .22 cartridge and primed to kill.

And look, I understand why Keystone Sporting Arms, the company that manufactures the Crickett rifle with which Kristian killed his sister, wants to market firearms to children, complete with bright pink finishes for your little princess and cartoon insects urging you to have fun with "your first rifle".  The reason is that most corporations would sell Baby's First Cyanide Capsule if there was two cents of profit in it, and if they were allowed to do so.  It's this last part that's so hard to suss.  Citizens of the United States have no trouble at all working themselves into a frothing spit-storm of moral panic over the least little thing.  We sell televisions designed to block out violent content, and place warning labels on record albums.  We pull 'controversial' books out of libraries.  We won't let children under the age of 17 see certain movies.  We have gone after cigarette manufacturers (Camel) and alcohol vendors (4Loko) for allegedly marketing their products to children.  We are a country that actually believes baggy pants are a threat to the social order.  We collectively shit our meals when Janet Jackson's nipple appeared on television for a microsecond.  Shit, we even require the regulation of toy guns — they must bear a neon-colored plastic gewgaw on the barrel so they are not mistaken for the real McCoy.  We raise our children in a thick, soft cocoon of panicky overprotection.  So how is it that we find ourselves seized with paralysis when it comes to keeping America's most common murder weapon off limits to people who haven't yet made it to junior high?

The answer is that it's a swindle, and it has been a swindle since the grandees of the NRA realized how much money there was to be made off of it.  Gun owners are being taken for a ride because they believe the gun lobby actually gives a shit about firearms ownership, when their real agenda is the same as any other lobbying group:  a purely libertarian opposition to any regulation that might cut into the profit margins of the industry they represent.  And the rest of us are being taken for a ride because those same lobbyists have hijacked the discussion to the degree that no conversation about sensible regulation is possible**.  As long as we let the worst, most degraded elements of the gun lobby dictate the terms of the conversation, we will keep being shocked when children kill children, when the only real shock is why it doesn't happen more often.

*:  I use the term "accidental" with grave reservations.  In my first firearms class, the instructor, having painstakingly explained and demonstrated the numerous safety features built into all modern guns, told us that there was no such thing as an accidental shooting.  Shootings, he said, occur for only one reason:  someone picks up a loaded gun, aims it at another person, and pulls the trigger — and there's nothing accidental about that.

**:  What form that regulation might take is a subject for an honest debate that isn't really taking place on either side.  Prohibition is a bad idea, but liberals are largely arguing from a place of ignorance, while their foes across the aisle in the gun lobby are doing so from a place of deception and malice; the fight isn't fair.  As for me, I'd make the obvious analogy:  consider how heavily we regulate automobiles, the only piece of technology we use that kills more people than firearms.  To drive a car, you must learn how to do so and pass a test administered by the government, for which you receive a license that places you in a federal database.  To own a car, you must register it with the government, receive a federally tracked vehicle identification number, maintain it according to government safety regulations, and pay liability insurance should you injure anyone with it.  The number of cars in the U.S. is nearly  equal to the number of guns, and the guns are in far fewer hands; would a similar baseline of regulation be so unthinkable?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 06, 2013, 12:58:13 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 05, 2013, 01:00:07 AM

This kind of crap is why sometimes I regret not liking alcohol.
You and me both, bro.  You and me both.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 06, 2013, 12:59:23 PM
Regarding the whole babies shooting babies bit, correct me if I'm wrong, but...isn't selling guns to minors (or letting them use guns to begin with) already illegal?  If so, what exactly would more gun control do to help this?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 06, 2013, 01:08:51 PM
I'd have to dig up the reference, but the DoJ's Department of Juvenile Justice did a study of children broken up into 3 groups: those who got guns legally (from a parent), those who got guns illegally, and those who didn't get guns at all. It probably comes as no surprise that the group that got guns illegally committed the most violence (mostly because they were gang-bangers). But counterintuitively, it was the kids who were given guns by their parents who committed the fewest acts of violence. The study credited this not to the guns specifically, but to parental involvement. Makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 06, 2013, 03:09:08 PM
Quote from: D on May 06, 2013, 07:41:45 AM
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If we're going to use this to describe The Tea Party, then can we describe liberals as bottom feeding slave bitches?

If the Tea Party is a mob of racists and homophobes, is OWS a mob of anti-Semites and commies?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 06, 2013, 03:12:05 PM
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Someone playing the race card in order to defend Obama? Gee, I've never seen THAT before! /s
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 06, 2013, 04:20:21 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 06, 2013, 04:29:03 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 06, 2013, 03:12:05 PM
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Someone playing the race card in order to defend Obama? Gee, I've never seen THAT before! /s

I swear these guys would probably even defend Siad Barre, Mugabe, Idi Amin Dada and every African warlord/dictator if they our president, while bashing every dictator of every other race.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 06, 2013, 04:49:56 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 06, 2013, 04:20:21 PM
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you can wash it off?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 06, 2013, 06:15:19 PM
Yeah, because an armed march to DC is totally going to convince people that libertarians and supporters of gun rights are not crazy...

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 06, 2013, 07:07:36 PM
Quote from: D on May 06, 2013, 06:15:19 PM
Yeah, because an armed march to DC is totally going to convince people that libertarians and supporters of gun rights are not crazy...

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I just came back from watching that. I'm frankly not sure what to make of it.

OK, so they want to peaceably protest the tyranny of the government (and yes, this is peaceful), by openly carrying firearms. And as this is nonviolent, I don't see the problem with open carry protests per se. don't shoot at people, keep it together vis a vis safety, no one strays, and all should go well. and it would make a clear statement (assuming it doesn't backfire). But at the same time, is this really the best way to do so?

will it even brings the desired numbers? ideally, you want to overwhelm and overawe the police and military locally so that they do not dare attack, so no incident takes place, and the march goes as planned. that means at least several hundred or more (depending on the size of the local constabulary). I don't see Kokesh raising that many protestors for this purpose. most of his events never exceed a couple hundred tops, near as I can make out.

and even if it didn't bring the numbers, they could by virtue of surprise, achieve the stated objective. but by broadcasting this out in the open, he just deprived himself of this. I wouldn't be surprised if govco isn't already preparing a "surprise".

more likely we'll learn he's in jail, or be reading about him in the obituaries come July the fifth, in light of how cavalier he is being at this time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 06, 2013, 08:38:13 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on May 06, 2013, 04:29:03 PM
I swear these guys would probably even defend Siad Barre, Mugabe, Idi Amin Dada and every African warlord/dictator if they our president, while bashing every dictator of every other race.

I can't believe I forgot to mention the bad grammar. As someone who majored in English, that really irks me to no end.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 06, 2013, 09:19:20 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 06, 2013, 09:47:01 PM
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Well shit fellas, are we "speech terrorists" or is this lady just a bitch?

I'm going with "just a bitch."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 06, 2013, 09:48:07 PM
Quote from: D on May 06, 2013, 09:47:01 PM
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Well shit fellas, are we "speech terrorists" or is this lady just a bitch?

I'm going with "just a bitch."

Bitch is not strong enough
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 06, 2013, 11:22:25 PM
Quote from: D on May 06, 2013, 09:47:01 PM
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Well shit fellas, are we "speech terrorists" or is this lady just a bitch?

I'm going with "just a bitch."

Dafuq is a "speech terrorist"? Is that another made-up word by social justice warriors? Like "mansplaining" wasn't bad enough!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 07, 2013, 02:41:49 AM
Quote from: D on May 06, 2013, 09:47:01 PM
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Well shit fellas, are we "speech terrorists" or is this lady just a bitch?

I'm going with "just a bitch."

well, I am a speech pirate--steeling words from the English Language for my own profit when trying to communicate.... :P

arr?

she's a cunt....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on May 07, 2013, 01:30:46 PM
Discussing the internet sales tax on another board

QuoteYes, "mom and pop" online retailers will have a harder time with it compared to the big boys, but we're already harming mom & pop businesses that currently pay taxes by making them compete with businesses in other states that sell items cheaper by exploiting this tax loophole.

Because every small business thrives when you add another layer of bueracracy into the mix
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on May 07, 2013, 03:52:02 PM
From the same discussion

Quote^ all the Feds are doing is making it available to states....plus the internet is governed by the FCC and falls under the Commerce Clause
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 07, 2013, 05:02:51 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 07, 2013, 05:17:30 PM
Quote from: D on May 07, 2013, 05:02:51 PM
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It was fail as soon as he said TBBT was a shitty TV show.

And yeah, let's blame guns and corporations for the 5-year-old shooting the 2-year-old. Heaven forbid we should blame the parents for leaving a loaded weapon lying around while the kids are unsupervised.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 07, 2013, 07:05:40 PM
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3u7fwx/ (http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3u7fwx/)

Uninformed Statist: If you're voting for either of the two main parties, you're not paying attention.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 07, 2013, 07:35:16 PM
Rebuttal coming tomorrow on the Bogosity Facebook page, but I just had to post it here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2013, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 07, 2013, 07:35:16 PM
Rebuttal coming tomorrow on the Bogosity Facebook page, but I just had to post it here.

IOW:  "I know you are but what am I?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 07, 2013, 08:34:37 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2013, 09:27:26 PM
Fail from David Wong of Cracked:

(http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/topics/creditcardhead5.jpg)

Last I checked, the min payment would have you paying it off in full.  Also, since when does debt get inherited by heirs without their explicit consent?  Well, besides govco's debt?

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 08, 2013, 09:10:51 AM
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I'm not exactly a fan of MMA, but Rep. Brenda Kupchick's logic is complete bullshit.

QuoteI just think, since what happened to Connecticut on December 14th that, I don't think the state should be promoting violence. To me it's not like a real sport.

Really? You're bringing up the shooting as an excuse to not legalize a sport here? And no, fuck you, it IS a sport. It might be barbaric, but it is a voluntary exchange between individuals and by all accounts IS a sport.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 08, 2013, 09:22:37 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 07, 2013, 09:27:26 PM
Last I checked, the min payment would have you paying it off in full.

Generally in about 30 years. What's interesting is that paying slightly more than the minimum payment will get it paid off in less than 10. This is assuming no late fees or anything.

QuoteAlso, since when does debt get inherited by heirs without their explicit consent?  Well, besides govco's debt?

If something happens in the allocation of the estate assets that causes a debt to be incurred, then i can happen. An example would be inheriting a house that still has a mortgage; you inherit the house, but you inherit a house with a lean. I don't see any way this could be applied to credit card debt, although the credit card company would have a crack at getting some of the estate's assets to cover the debt before the children inherit it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 08, 2013, 11:09:56 AM
Richard Dawkins posted this (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=gun-science-proves-arming-untrained-citizens-bad-idea&WT.mc_id=SA_Facebook) on Facebook.

QuoteAccording to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 31,672 people died by guns in 2010 (the most recent year for which U.S. figures are available), a staggering number that is orders of magnitude higher than that of comparable Western democracies. What can we do about it? National Rifle Association executive vice president Wayne LaPierre believes he knows: "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." If LaPierre means professionally trained police and military who routinely practice shooting at ranges, this observation would at least be partially true. If he means armed private citizens with little to no training, he could not be more wrong.

Consider a 1998 study in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery that found that "every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides." Pistol owners' fantasy of blowing away home-invading bad guys or street toughs holding up liquor stores is a myth debunked by the data showing that a gun is 22 times more likely to be used in a criminal assault, an accidental death or injury, a suicide attempt or a homicide than it is for self-defense. I harbored this belief for the 20 years I owned a Ruger .357 Magnum with hollow-point bullets designed to shred the body of anyone who dared to break into my home, but when I learned about these statistics, I got rid of the gun.

More insights can be found in a 2013 book from Johns Hopkins University Press entitled Reducing Gun Violence in America: Informing Policy with Evidence and Analysis, edited by Daniel W. Webster and Jon S. Vernick, both professors in health policy and management at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. In addition to the 31,672 people killed by guns in 2010, another 73,505 were treated in hospital emergency rooms for nonfatal bullet wounds, and 337,960 nonfatal violent crimes were committed with guns. Of those 31,672 dead, 61 percent were suicides, and the vast majority of the rest were homicides by people who knew one another.

For example, of the 1,082 women and 267 men killed in 2010 by their intimate partners, 54 percent were shot by guns. Over the past quarter of a century, guns were involved in greater number of intimate partner homicides than all other causes combined. When a woman is murdered, it is most likely by her intimate partner with a gun. Regardless of what really caused Olympic track star Oscar Pistorius to shoot his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp (whether he mistook her for an intruder or he snapped in a lover's quarrel), her death is only the latest such headline. Recall, too, the fate of Nancy Lanza, killed by her own gun in her own home in Connecticut by her son, Adam Lanza, before he went to Sandy Hook Elementary School to murder some two dozen children and adults. As an alternative to arming women against violent men, legislation can help: data show that in states that prohibit gun ownership by men who have received a domestic violence restraining order, gun-caused homicides of intimate female partners have been reduced by 25 percent.

Another myth to fall to the facts is that gun-control laws disarm good people and leave the crooks with weapons. Not so, say the Johns Hopkins authors: "Strong regulation and oversight of licensed gun dealers—defined as having a state law that required state or local licensing of retail firearm sellers, mandatory record keeping by those sellers, law enforcement access to records for inspection, regular inspections of gun dealers, and mandated reporting of theft of loss of firearms—was associated with 64 percent less diversion of guns to criminals by in-state gun dealers."

Finally, before we concede civilization and arm everyone to the teeth pace the NRA, consider the primary cause of the centuries-long decline of violence as documented by Steven Pinker in his 2011 book The Better Angels of Our Nature: the rule of law by states that turned over settlement of disputes to judicial courts and curtailed private self-help justice through legitimate use of force by police and military trained in the proper use of weapons.

I could have sworn the numbers were actually in favor of private gun owners than with police...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 08, 2013, 04:26:47 PM
The Huffington Post's Comment Policy (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/faq/#moderation):

Quote(I) If your comments consistently or intentionally make this community a less civil and enjoyable place to be, you and your comments will be excluded from it.

The Huffington Post promotes a receptive, transparent and civil atmosphere for comments and users. Critical, in-depth and intelligent discussions and debates are encouraged and the best of these are highlighted in various ways, such as through the Community Pundit program. Everyone is welcome and encouraged to voice their opinion regardless of identity, politics, ideology, religion or agreement with other community members, the author of the post or staff members as long as those opinions are respectful and constructively add to the conversation. However, this community does not tolerate direct or indirect attacks, name-calling or insults, nor does it tolerate intentional attempts to derail, hijack, troll or bait others into an emotional response. These types of comments will be removed from the community where warranted. Individuals who consistently or intentionally post these types of comments will be warned and, if necessary, excluded from the community.

ROFL! "Critical, in-depth and intelligent discussions and debates" my flank! HP comment sections are cesspools of hate and ignorance. I've heard temper-tantrum throwing kindergarteners utter less puerile, derogatory ramblings that what is routinely posted there. It makes you wonder why they even bother with comment moderation. Oh, yeah, that's right: censorship of dissenting views!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 08, 2013, 09:36:55 PM
Progressive Thinker still continues to fail in these comments: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=248329058641394&set=a.173299716144329.42587.173278339479800&type=1&notif_t=photo_reply

He SERIOUSLY needs to change his name...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 08, 2013, 10:35:52 PM
Watching a school town hall here in the Ozarks. And what are they calling for. Increased funding.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 09, 2013, 03:58:38 PM
Yes because if any private group is oding poorly the solution is always jsut to give them more money and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 09, 2013, 09:20:54 PM
I need a rebuttle ot this one. I don't know enough about the issue myself ot acutally ahve anything of meaning to say on it but I can't let this stupidity slide.


QuoteYou do realize that all federal reserve profit is turned over to the Treasury right?

The devaluation of currency is generally very minor and isn't a big deal when spread out over long periods of time (all major currencies around the world pretty much are being steadily devalued).



Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 10, 2013, 07:24:35 AM
Quote from: tnu on May 09, 2013, 09:20:54 PM
I need a rebuttle ot this one. I don't know enough about the issue myself ot acutally ahve anything of meaning to say on it but I can't let this stupidity slide.

QuoteYou do realize that all federal reserve profit is turned over to the Treasury right?

The devaluation of currency is generally very minor and isn't a big deal when spread out over long periods of time (all major currencies around the world pretty much are being steadily devalued).

The first one doesn't need a rebuttal because it's true.

The second is like saying pushing a spike into your heart isn't a big deal when spread out over long periods of time. The "if everyone else was jumping off a bridge would you do it, too?" thing applies as well.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 10, 2013, 04:56:00 PM
So according to the Comic Red Son, where Superman leads in the Soviet Union, having a super-powerful leader beats economics.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dd/Supermanredson.jpg/250px-Supermanredson.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 10, 2013, 05:13:04 PM
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54321gem says:

QuoteViolent crimes are going down because of Roe vs Wade, that has nothing to do with guns.However, gun deaths are still 30,000 a year.WELL OVER any civilized country that has actual gun control, even after adjusting for population difference.The assualt weapons ban bill was ineffective because it wasnt really an assault weapons ban.It banned almost nothing at all. However, any country that does real gun control (See australia) sees a major drop in gun deaths. What a terrible manipulative video.

My response to him.

QuoteThat 30,000 figure includes suicides and accidents. Sorry but suicides and accidents are NOT crimes. They are acts of stupidity and irresponsibility but they are not crimes.
Are you concerned about gun deaths only? That is cherry picking at it's finest! So if a person is killed by a bat or knife it doesn't count?! Wow
So the fuck what?! New Zealand's gun laws are nowhere near as strict as Australia's and their homicide rate is even LOWER. Australia is 1.0 and NZ is 0.9

He/she then responses.

QuoteAre 30,000 people killed by bats each year, even if you include people who commit suicide by beating themselves over the head with a bat? Didn't think so.

Notice he still used this flawed stat. He still thinks that accidents and suicides should count as crimes when they are just acts of stupidity and desperation. He did not even address my New Zealand point. If he wants to include accidents people die more automobile accidents. If you want to include suicide then japan has a higher rate of suicide than the US, even tho getting a gun is harder than even Australia
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 10, 2013, 08:21:58 PM
The fail isn't the infograph, but rather what it covers, which are the highest-paid public employees, most of which are athletic coaches:

(http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2013/05/highestpaid.png)

I'm sorry, but why the SQUEE are we spending obscene amounts of taxpayer money to instruct a legion of Neanderthals to kick a ball around? It's madness! And not March Madness.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 10, 2013, 08:51:39 PM
because that is what sells....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 10, 2013, 11:28:54 PM
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adasand21 in the comments is a complete moron.
Apparently, opposing the government's use of drones but, being pro gun makes you a hypocrite.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 11, 2013, 06:26:08 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 10, 2013, 08:51:39 PM
because that is what sells....
Yet my college is considering cutbacks because the sports teams--even football--are money losers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 11, 2013, 06:37:37 AM
No wonder my theater class always got the worst of the budget. Even behidn Chorus who got to do Beauty and the Beast.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 11, 2013, 09:17:59 AM
We never had any money for theatre. It was just what we could throw together ourselves.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FeatheredTerror on May 11, 2013, 09:33:23 AM
One of the main reasons I hate sports so much. I've also heard stories of science departments suffering while sports departments continue to get a shitload of money, which pisses me off to no end.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 11, 2013, 09:53:06 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 11, 2013, 09:17:59 AM
We never had any money for theatre. It was just what we could throw together ourselves.

Pretty much the same for us we had to scrounge for materials. How does the school even benefit form the sports by the way. I never looked too much in to it. HOw doees that generate revenues for the school?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 11, 2013, 10:16:42 AM
Quote from: tnu on May 11, 2013, 09:53:06 AMPretty much the same for us we had to scrounge for materials. How does the school even benefit form the sports by the way. I never looked too much in to it. HOw doees that generate revenues for the school?

They charge admission to the games, and way overcharge people at the concession stands.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 11, 2013, 01:03:29 PM
Alok Lars in this discussion: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=602899466387152&set=a.508311029179330.124056.343696165640818&type=1&notif_t=photo_comment

The major fail begins when he claims that men cannot be raped, which was then exacerbated when, after I pointed out that they can and are basically laughed out of court, he claimed that it doesn't matter because it doesn't happen as often.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 11, 2013, 01:31:18 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 11, 2013, 10:16:42 AM
They charge admission to the games, and way overcharge people at the concession stands.

And a certain kind of alumnus donates much more generously if there is a winning sports team.  At least, that's what they think (often because certain wealthy, high-donating alumni tell them so).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 11, 2013, 02:14:46 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 11, 2013, 01:03:29 PM
Alok Lars in this discussion: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=602899466387152&set=a.508311029179330.124056.343696165640818&type=1&notif_t=photo_comment

The major fail begins when he claims that men cannot be raped, which was then exacerbated when, after I pointed out that they can and are basically laughed out of court, he claimed that it doesn't matter because it doesn't happen as often.

>many men cannot imagine a genuine threat of rape.

Show's over folks. Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 11, 2013, 05:50:41 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 11, 2013, 06:26:08 AM
Yet my college is considering cutbacks because the sports teams--even football--are money losers.


well, the benefits are note universal. and it only really sells for the people actually engaged in sports.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 11, 2013, 09:59:25 PM
From the comments on video I posted in Fave Quo



QuoteDoes the group have the right to authorize confiscation of something that only a few need? Sure, if it judges that as crucial. The democracy makes all rules, there are no rules by self-evidence or divine right or alleged "natural origin", the only right is the brute force of the majority, law of the jungle defeating the jungle. The only way property is held is by majority enforcement, thus property exists only at the pleasure of the majority.




QuoteI didn't misunderstand trade, I disagreed with you. It is not a fair choice if I am coerced in any way, among those possible ways are hunger, desperation, cold, heat, need, etc. Do the people have the right to confiscate something that everyone needs from someone who won't give it up? Of course they do, it's about survival, and survival trumps all made-up rules.


Here's some self evidence. this commenter is a complete fucking moron with no understanding of what coercion actually is.



QuoteI can see why it made you chuckle. I meant that libertarians are ignorant of the fact that libertarianism actually existed when capitalism first came about. It also exists now in the third world. I find the American brand of it particularly vicious though and it only seems to exist in America. Look at that Ron Paul clip where he's talking about a man in a coma with no insurance, the crowd are shouting 'let him die' and Paul himself said 'if he dies it's a tribute to our liberty.' Nice.


Oh this conversation is just a gem. Fail in red.

WARNING: The exposure to the levels of fail and bogosity in the following conversation may have adverse effects on your health if not handled properly. Procede with cuation.

The kind of people who gravitate to

Libertarianism are the kind who have a desperate need

to justify themselves having more money than they deserve

because they know they obtained it unethically. Those who

are poor and Libertarian are just wannbe-rich-ers who think

that somebody has stolen from them.They're right, of course,

but they've been propagandized to believe the gummint did

it by the very people who stole from them, the rich Libertarians.

Thats because of Pride and a bit of narcissism that goes into them refusing to go to that shit. I know my dad has way to much pride to ask for government help he would rather starve on the street then ask for help.

That would be self-destructive. Would that

people felt that way about illicit profiteering from economic

victims by usury, return on investment, and rental property.

Then you might almost convince me they were moral and didn't

want a hand out.




So, just to be clear, your position is that property rights is a creation of the state and that an acceptance of them is theft. Is that correct?

The delusion that what you have is yours is like "finders-

keepers", it doesn't work in a court of law to get you out

of a conviction for possession of lost or stolen property.

The rest of us decide what is yours and what is not.


From where I come from, property rights are an extension of a basic tenet, that each person owns themselves. It is a logical deduction, not a "privilege" granted by "society".

There is no such "thing" as society. Society is a label, nothing more. There is no divine being called "society" there are people, and a group of people is called a society. Society cannot grant anything, only people can.

Violation of the "body politic"? A euphamism for heresy.



Is society a fiction? Possibly.

But when your friends and neighbors put you in jail

it seems quite real for some reason. Examine that

question more carefully. And how in the world can

be "own" ourselves? What we own is decided and

requires the support of others to be anything other

than a claim we make, one which is subject to public

approval. So we "own" ourselves as well ONLY with

the permission and support of the rest of us. Heresy

can be deadly serious.


Side Note: This bit just scares the crap out of me.



I didn't say society was a fiction, it is a label, not a thing. A person is a real thing. Your friends and neighbors that put you in jail and, yes, they are real things.

According to your logic, the one with the biggest gun and the willingness to use it owns everyone else.

My comparing your statement with heresy was pointing out the faith based, doctrinesque, illogical position that you have. It may have the power of the gun behind it, but it isn't true.








Otherwise anyone who wants to

can kill you and take what you have because you're not

under the group's protection. Rights are what is imaginary.

Inside the protection of society it is easy to forget that.



Know what? I can pay for protectors VOLUNTARILY asshat.



And then who's going to protect you

from them when THEY realize they can just as easily rob

you or enslave you as protect you? There is only one thing

big enough to protect you from that, and it's called the state.



Note: This statement in perticular reaks of special pleedign as far as I can tell.



Your simple mind doesn't understand, and of course we always attack that which we don't understand. I can only hope that our society will evolve past your violent sadistic idiocy.

not really happy for how he devolved in to insults here to be honest.




And now you're blathering more

ignorant slander about violence. I would love it if people

would do their share of the work and not try to force others

to do it for them. That is violence, and its name is capitalism.



Capitalism isn't violent until the state is involved. I can own tools and rent them out to others in a voluntary relationship, no violence involved. I would love it if people (you) would stop forcing me and everyone else to pay for their (your) desires, whims, and fancies.

What happens if I don't want to pay for YOUR fire department and instead pay those that I see better fit to protect my home? You throw me in a cage where I may be raped. Great solution.




The police threatening us with guns

for stealing back what the rich stole from us is violence too.

But it's not billed as criminal violence, as ours would be

in recovering our stolen property. Of course if the society

is doing your bidding and making you rich, you're going

to see any interference with that as violence, even if what

you do is every bit as much stealing by force using police

to enforce your shell-game.


Wow. Choosing red text for this ugy i sstartign to seem increasingly more appropriate.


Again, the same old lie. Society is "doing my bidding" there IS NO SOCIETY, it's a name for a group of people. If PEOPLE are doing my bidding, are they doing it voluntarily or through coercion and threats? In MY world it's done through VOLUNTARY choice unlike what you support.




No, this "individual" was made up

rather recently in history, as the robber barons tried

to break the resistance of the small tribes, the rule was

"divide and conquer". "Voluntarism" is just fine and dandy

till someone doesn't want to do something the tribe needs

desperately to survive, and then all hell breaks loose.



Oh then there's some other golden conversations iwht this asshole.


Property rights are a creation of

society and can be freely modified at the will of that

society to meet its needs, that is called taxation. Denying

this and asserting that property rights are somehow

inherent is both a delusion and violation of the body politic.


- Taxation is a violation of property rights. It is the forced taking of property from one person to someone else with more political pull.



Since property rights only exist at the

pleasure of the rest of us, the "state", taxation is in no

way a violation of such rights given BY the state. If you

think you have rights all by yourself, then defend them

all by yourself. Good luck. You seem to be unaware of

the whole concept of the social contract. Better read up!


Ah the "social ocntract" I should have expected him to bring this up eventually.

Property rights exist at the pleasure of the rest of us, true. "The state" bullshit. The only existence of "the state" is a result of people with weapons threatening others. You believe in shooting people that disagree with you. You are a vile, evil person.


The world is simply to small to let people do what they want,

it is going to require everyone's cooperation to survive now.

Once maybe you could live all alone in the woods, but then

anyone who really wanted to could kill you.




And you'd be first in line, because you're a violent hater. WTF, what was that? "it is going to require everyone's cooperation"? You asshat, you can't say that, you don't want ANY cooperation, you want dictators, violent abusive dictators to tell us what to do. Good god do you have ANY idea how immoral, how childish, how lacking in logic you are?




So you're now going to whine and

cray and call people a "hater" when they demand that you

do your share of the work. Sorry, but that's just a dodge.

You're playing to the peanut gallery. You've hung your hat

on the hobby horse of decrying "violence", when all you

mean by it is being compelled to do honest work for a living.



No, I'm going to point out that I, and everyone else, can CHOOSE how we wish to provide for our sustenance and that you deny that choice. You force your whim and fancy upon the rest of society, claiming a supreme right based upon a faith in some fantasy called "the social contract" which is no contract at all. Neither I, nor any other libertarian, voluntarist, or anarcocapitalist has issue with earning our own, but you do. You want to thieve.


That's sounds precisely like your robber, having robbed

you and you complaining, now telling you that you're a

whiner and a thief as well because YOU want to steal it

back from HIM!! That's what playground bullies try to do

so that they don't get caught, they try to humiliate their

victims out of asking for help from others, claiming their

victims are just cowards or somehow morally inferior.

Then we have THIS gem of a conversaiton. I'm sorry for how lengthy this is but ive never seen such fail concentrated in one place.

This was spun off form the bit where the other guy said "I beleive we have a right to CHOOSE how to provide for oure sustanance.


One, we can't choose what to think, we think and it is

us, we are not it. You cannot by an effort of will change

even the tiniest thing you truly believe. You know this

inside. You know you could lie about having done so,

but you know you can't. And what we do comes from

what we believe. So people are a product of their brain

chemistry, they don't control their brain chemistry.


I was never good with biology but I odn't think that's how brain chemistry works.


You deny free will? I do not. I know for a FACT that I have, through an effort of will and education changed several things I truly believed.

I used to think that abortion was wrong, I was a staunch believer. I even made ads for the right to life. I now support all abortion at any stage.

I used to think that drug use was wrong, I was for banning alcohol. I now believe that all drugs should be legal.




If we could change what

we think on a whim we could decide that we were someplace

else a lot better, and we'd think we were, for however long that

lasted, however we usually describe people who do that as

psychotic.

Yeah i'm probably going to be getting a lot of fail quotes to come formt e4h comments of this vid. This guy is a gold mine


Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 11, 2013, 10:10:31 PM
I was posting lengthy examples of conversations full of fail but I think just to save myself the time and efort I'll just post this link and say "anything by rstevewarmorycom and plenty of others."


Also somebody just posted THIS gem of an article.


http://articles.philly.com/2013-05-02/news/38960249_1_charity-hunger-special-supplemental-nutrition-program


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Just see for yourselves. the video itself is far from fail though.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 11, 2013, 10:16:15 PM
My step brother said this, "I would so much rather give up complete freedom to live under a set of rules that work towards a more peaceful public. I just don't belong in America."

http://christiannews.net/2013/02/28/canadian-supreme-court-rules-biblical-speech-opposing-homosexual-behavior-is-a-hate-crime/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 11, 2013, 10:19:43 PM
So then how are these rules for a "more peaceful public" going to be enforced peacefully?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 11, 2013, 10:30:26 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 11, 2013, 10:19:43 PM
So then how are these rules for a "more peaceful public" going to be enforced peacefully?

I asked him, how would he feel if what Atheist said about religion was considered a hate crime?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 11, 2013, 11:51:56 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 11, 2013, 10:16:15 PM
My step brother said this, "I would so much rather give up complete freedom to live under a set of rules that work towards a more peaceful public. I just don't belong in America."

http://christiannews.net/2013/02/28/canadian-supreme-court-rules-biblical-speech-opposing-homosexual-behavior-is-a-hate-crime/

So, I guess, when someone commits suicide because they were bullied about being gay, the bullies are as bad as murderers and should be charged with a hate crime.

Last time I checked, suicide, even in this situation, is still a choice, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 12, 2013, 01:37:58 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 11, 2013, 11:51:56 PM
So, I guess, when someone commits suicide because they were bullied about being gay, the bullies are as bad as murderers and should be charged with a hate crime.

Last time I checked, suicide, even in this situation, is still a choice, right?

it is, but the bully is still a cunt.

back in Kuwait, I dealt with them the only way how: I fought back--stood up for myself. with rules not enforced, it's the only way, but at least it was an option. Kids in America don't have that much going for them. And from what I observed while in senior year here, the rules end up helping the bullies along with their thing: all they have to do is time their attack so that the teacher doesn't see it, but sees the kid fighting back. easier than stealing candy from the dead--even babies are harder to steal from.

ended up stabbing one kid (with a pen Dad gave me, and by accident), and severely bruising another's backside (with a kick), but I digress (I was not punished--long story there). they didn't bother me again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 12, 2013, 02:36:56 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 12, 2013, 01:37:58 PM
it is, but the bully is still a cunt.

back in Kuwait, I dealt with them the only way how: I fought back--stood up for myself. with rules not enforced, it's the only way, but at least it was an option. Kids in America don't have that much going for them. And from what I observed while in senior year here, the rules end up helping the bullies along with their thing: all they have to do is time their attack so that the teacher doesn't see it, but sees the kid fighting back. easier than stealing candy from the dead--even babies are harder to steal from.

ended up stabbing one kid (with a pen Dad gave me, and by accident), and severely bruising another's backside (with a kick), but I digress (I was not punished--long story there). they didn't bother me again.

Well, the argument came from something about hate crimes. He thinks Its ok to label Christians opposing gays as a hate crime.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 13, 2013, 04:47:05 PM
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I don't even have to watch this to know this is fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 13, 2013, 05:04:59 PM
This (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/09/26/905375/-Top-10-Jobs-in-Libertarian-Paradise)

It's old and I'm sure some of you have seen this already....but holy shit does the stupid burn with this one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 13, 2013, 10:20:50 PM
http://www.gtx0.com/view.php?post=76482


This whole thread is just too much fail for words. particularly the stuff by Nevada-Tan. Keep in mind this user has a history of accusing eveyrbody of being horrible racists for not rushing to get behind every Native American cuase in existance and always brags about how he is so much more tolerant and loving thent he rest of the community. I do have to warn all of you. The views and often the language expressed in that thread are remarkably reprehensable. It is not for the fiant of heart.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 14, 2013, 01:05:10 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/s480x480/970549_598175103534347_1753580763_n.jpg)

I'm getting tired of this crap!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 14, 2013, 03:21:15 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 14, 2013, 01:05:10 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/s480x480/970549_598175103534347_1753580763_n.jpg)

I'm getting tired of this crap!

To this day I simply cannot fathom the source of people's fears regarding this Monsato corporation...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 14, 2013, 06:12:09 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 14, 2013, 03:21:15 AM
To this day I simply cannot fathom the source of people's fears regarding this Monsato corporation...

Allegedly, there ARE some legitimate complaints about Monsanto about intellectual property abuse (I don't know for certain how true this is) but the GMO stuff is just complete nonsense.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on May 14, 2013, 10:39:30 AM
Quote from: D on May 14, 2013, 06:12:09 AM
Allegedly, there ARE some legitimate complaints about Monsanto about intellectual property abuse (I don't know for certain how true this is) but the GMO stuff is just complete nonsense.

In fact, there was just a Supreme Court case packed with their bogosity

http://www.wbur.org/npr/183729491/Supreme-Court-Sides-With-Monsanto-In-Seed-Patent-Case
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 14, 2013, 04:38:30 PM
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I can't believe I'm about to say this, but these "fangirls" make Justin Beiber fangirls look sane. Bieber may be a talentless hack, but at least he didn't murder or maim innocent civilians.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 14, 2013, 05:25:21 PM
reminds me of the Remirez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ramirez) fangirls, the Manson fangirls, etc.

some people are just...wrong. so they get turned on by such people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 15, 2013, 02:10:09 PM
http://www.naturalnews.com/040334_Angelina_Jolie_double_mastectomy_breast_cancer_prevention.html

Really?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 15, 2013, 04:53:24 PM
I keep hearing that Reason Magazine took money from Obama. There any truth to that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 15, 2013, 04:59:48 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 15, 2013, 02:10:09 PM
http://www.naturalnews.com/040334_Angelina_Jolie_double_mastectomy_breast_cancer_prevention.html

Really?

Women who have certain genes known to cause a very high risk (liker, say, the BRCA1 gene) do choose to have prophylactic mastectomies.  Naturally, since Natural News doesn't accept that cancer is completely genetic and inheriting any of the mutations that have to be present in a cell for it to turn cancerous make you far more likely to develop cancer, they reject the idea that women at high risk should protect themselves.

Of course, they also outright lie and claim that laetrile cures cancer and was found to be efficacious.  Not only does it not work and kill people directly and indirectly, recent discoveries about the metabolism of cancer cells shows that even if it did precisely what its' advocates claimed it did (which it doesn't) it still wouldn't be expected to work because most cancer cells don't use the biochemical pathways that laetrile's breakdown products poison.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2013, 12:11:03 AM
"The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property." --Karl Marx
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 16, 2013, 02:02:43 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 16, 2013, 12:11:03 AM
"The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property." --Karl Marx

at least he was straight up in his retarded. Compare that to modern Marxists...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 16, 2013, 02:38:08 AM
So Marx, remind me. Who was Frederick Lewis Demuth?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 16, 2013, 08:40:05 AM
"With the spirit of my administration, New York City is poised for dramatic change. The era of fear has had a long enough reign."
-Rudy Giuliani

It's fail because we all know this douchebag isn't being genuine at all. Let's not all forget that this is the same man who constantly has to remind us that he was there when 9/11 happened and uses it as justification for a massive police state and a major emphasis on war.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2013, 09:06:13 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 16, 2013, 02:02:43 AM
at least he was straight up in his retarded. Compare that to modern Marxists...
This is very true.  I almost didn't even post it here because of that.  But figured, it's still stupid, so in fail quotes it goes!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 17, 2013, 03:07:33 AM
I havn't quite read this yet but i'm prettys ure its a fail.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/16/surprise-inflation-is-too-low-almost-everywhere-on-earth/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 17, 2013, 04:12:39 AM
Why is it that Being Liberal never ceases to amaze me?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/969722_10151436995846275_316757625_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 17, 2013, 08:13:45 AM
Got an email yesterday from the group that I'm partnered with on youtube.

Apparently Nintendo are going to start going after videos with their games on it.

Here's a statement from Nintendo:
QuoteAs part of our on-going push to ensure Nintendo content is shared across social media channels in an appropriate and safe way, we became a YouTube partner and as such in February 2013 we registered our copyright content in the YouTube database.

For most fan videos this will not result in any changes, however, for those videos featuring Nintendo-owned content, such as images or audio of a certain length, adverts will now appear at the beginning, next to or at the end of the clips.

We continually want our fans to enjoy sharing Nintendo content on YouTube, and that is why, unlike other entertainment companies, we have chosen not to block people using our intellectual property.

>safe

How exactly are reviews or Let's Plays dangerous? The worst part is, channels that are partnered, like mine, will receive 0% of the cut for ads placed on videos by Nintendo.

You can read more on this issue here (http://wiiudaily.com/2013/05/nintendo-lets-play-controversy/).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on May 17, 2013, 08:28:40 AM
And I'm guessing the big boys like IGN and Gametrailers don't have this issue
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on May 17, 2013, 09:08:55 AM
QuoteIsn't it crazy how the 'liberal' media actually holds the 'liberal' administration accountable on the principles?
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,18386.msg329002.html#msg329002
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 17, 2013, 09:21:00 AM
Dnageorus? It's free publicity!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 17, 2013, 01:19:36 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 17, 2013, 04:12:39 AM
Why is it that Being Liberal never ceases to amaze me?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/969722_10151436995846275_316757625_n.jpg)

These people need to learn the difference between "reform" and "defund." The fact remains that Medicare, SS, and the public education system cannot survive as they are for very long, and as such, reform is necessary. But then again, why am I explaining it to YOU guys. You all already know this. And I doubt that the folks at Being Liberal are very receptive. Sigh. Why is ignorance so damn stubborn?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 17, 2013, 01:25:12 PM
The horror. THE HORROR!

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I would question why this exists, but sadly, I already know the answer. One day, the CEOs of Hasbro said to themselves:

[yt]JoYWdHe4tQ4[/yt]

And voila! This Monster High ripoff was born.

Sigh! And the franchise was doing so well.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 17, 2013, 01:28:27 PM
The show will still be the same and my friend tells me that season 3 was already terrible. Then again, i've never watched it, so.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 17, 2013, 01:31:41 PM
Seaosn 3 was alright. Magical Duel was the best episode from it though the Season Finale left a lot to be desired. It really lacked any sort of proper flow or pacing to it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 17, 2013, 01:49:16 PM
I really enjoyed Season 3. Sure, "The Crystal Empire" was little to be desired, but most of the other episodes were awesome: "Too Many Pinkie Pies", "Magic Duel", "Wonderbolt Academy." And the season finale? Wow. Just wow. They really outdid themselves there, especially with the music. And I don't even have a problem with Twilight's transformation. I consider it quite fitting, what with her being the apprentice of Princess Celestia.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 17, 2013, 07:25:24 PM
When I pointed o ut that taxation was extortion I got this.


QuoteExtortion? Unless you live by yourself, don't use the internet or electricity, don't use public roads, and don't use anything even partially funded by the government you have no right to not pay taxes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 17, 2013, 07:31:01 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 17, 2013, 07:25:24 PM
When I pointed o ut that taxation was extortion I got this.

Isn't it ironic that statists view taxation as merely paying service fees, wheras they see real service fees as extortion. In other words, paying for something government provides is not extortion, wheras paying for something corporations provide is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 17, 2013, 07:33:48 PM
One of the comments to this video:

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QuoteCorporations manufacture, market and distribute products and services for profit, but the science, infrastructure, education, and state apparatus that enable corporations to exist comes from government and our tax dollars. Bill Twittle should move to China and sell a kidney in exchange for a shack and a bowl of rice, then tell us how wonderful uncontrolled corporations are.

Ignoring the fact that most science, infrastructure, and education are provided privately, and that China is...oh, I don't know...a totalitarian state.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 18, 2013, 02:01:29 PM
@BTF:  IKR?  Most statists seem to use "uncontrolled"/"unregulated" as a way of saying "bad" or "I don't like it."

Back on topic:

(https://lh3.ggpht.com/-qeIEcnCY9iY/UClCKtqVbEI/AAAAAAAAAuk/EaswTVc6SCc/s1600/abraham+lincoln+quotes.jpg)

Fail for who is saying it, given his actions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 18, 2013, 02:02:27 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 17, 2013, 01:19:36 PM
These people need to learn the difference between "reform" and "defund." The fact remains that Medicare, SS, and the public education system cannot survive as they are for very long, and as such, reform is necessary. But then again, why am I explaining it to YOU guys. You all already know this. And I doubt that the folks at Being Liberal are very receptive. Sigh. Why is ignorance so damn stubborn?

I suggest you check out Shane's videos on Social Security.  It needs to go.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATsbbIJD3ew  and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuaG-A6ezMQ

Really, last I checked, the 65 and older people are the wealthiest group in America by age.  They just have the biggest lobby (AARP).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 18, 2013, 02:11:14 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 18, 2013, 02:02:27 PMReally, last I checked, the 65 and older people are the wealthiest group in America by age.  They just have the biggest lobby (AARP).

I do not believe that those two facts are unrelated.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 18, 2013, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 18, 2013, 02:11:14 PM
I do not believe that those two facts are unrelated.

Good point.  I didn't say they were, but I just realized my post *might* have made it sound like that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 18, 2013, 02:15:36 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 17, 2013, 01:25:12 PM
The horror. THE HORROR!

[yt]1Ta9i3YQAzM[/yt]

I would question why this exists, but sadly, I already know the answer. One day, the CEOs of Hasbro said to themselves:

[yt]JoYWdHe4tQ4[/yt]

And voila! This Monster High ripoff was born.

Sigh! And the franchise was doing so well.

Chin up!  You'll probably like it.
But damn, and I thought characters from Doug had serious skin coloration issues. O_O
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 18, 2013, 09:30:22 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 18, 2013, 02:15:36 PM
Chin up!  You'll probably like it.
But damn, and I thought characters from Doug had serious skin coloration issues. O_O


That'snot skin, it's fur.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 18, 2013, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 18, 2013, 09:30:22 PM

That'snot skin, it's fur.

I think he might have been talking about this one girl(?) imitating a horse...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 18, 2013, 11:18:23 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 18, 2013, 09:31:21 PM
I think he might have been talking about this one girl(?) imitating a horse...
I was talking about the video BTF showed...the one of them as humans, not little cartoon horses. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on May 19, 2013, 04:28:19 AM
At least it'll make the rule 34 picture slightly less disturbi... Oh who am I kidding.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 19, 2013, 04:29:45 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 18, 2013, 11:18:23 PM
I was talking about the video BTF showed...the one of them as humans, not little cartoon horses. :P

Still applies. for some reaosn these high school ocunterparts keep their fur.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 19, 2013, 05:39:44 AM
Ugh, Shane we're doing it again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 19, 2013, 06:24:48 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 19, 2013, 05:39:44 AM
Ugh, Shane we're doing it again.

Doing what?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 19, 2013, 10:45:23 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942212_677844035562593_2024478652_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 19, 2013, 11:34:00 AM
Quote from: tnu on May 19, 2013, 04:29:45 AM
Still applies. for some reaosn these high school ocunterparts keep their fur.

For some reason that makes even less sense than the premise of the source material. :\
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 19, 2013, 12:44:12 PM
he should tell that to 40% of people in Lesotho, who have AIDS because the men insist on raping the women, thereby giving them AIDS, and any resulting children AIDS, and making it a multi-generational issue. doesn't help that they don't have access to condoms...because their king insists that the people are meant to stay in their shitty place, while he fucks all the other women who don't have AIDS....

seriously, this guy should be taken out to a courtyard and shot. he's not just an ordinary traitor: he's a traitor to humanity as a whole.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 19, 2013, 12:52:42 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 19, 2013, 06:24:48 AM
Doing what?

Going off on weird tangents. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on May 19, 2013, 04:38:58 PM
Wait, I'm confused... we ever stop doing that? I can't recall a situation like this ever happening.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 19, 2013, 06:08:54 PM
Bette Midler (http://www.examiner.com/article/bette-midler-thanks-irs-for-targeting-tea-party-groups)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 19, 2013, 08:36:02 PM
Was lurking on PZ Myers' blog (why I do this is beyond me) when I came across this recent blog post (http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/05/19/mere-atheism/) about the different versions of "atheism" and their relation to feminism, which contained this le gem:

Quotea libertarian atheism that rationalized virtual enslavement of half the population to serve the other half, which just happened to recognize that it was easier to maintain the existing patriarchal framework, rather than going to all the trouble of inverting it.

Daqfuq is with anti-libertarians like PZ Myers failing to grasp the philosophy they vehemently criticize?!?! Does he not understand that the crux of libertarianism is self-ownership, the full autonomy over you own body and life, and the freedom it entails to do as you please provided you harm no one? How in the bloody plot of Discord does that squeeing translate to "virtual enslavement of half the population to serve the other half"? That's the exact opposite of libertarianism. Anyone with an inkling of knowledge about the history of the philosophy, from the enlightenment thinkers of John Locke and Adam Smith, to modern advocates such as Murrary Rothbard and Ayn Rand, will realize that the main argument of libertarianism (or "liberalism" as it was once called) is that no human being can own another as property. You. Cannot. Own. Another. Human. Being. Period.

But why am I bothering explaining this to you lot? You all know this. I know this. But PZ Myers doesn't. And neither does the myriad of anti-libertarians. This is why I gave up arguing with them. They're not even trying to honestly criticize the philosophy. All they do is argue and "debunk" a strawman version of it. This is the same group of people who insist that libertarianism would lead to feudalism, even though feudalism is a form of government. For Celestia's sake! Why bother talking to another person when they're not even on the same plane of existence such as yourself? It's futile. Insanity. Madness, I tell you, madness!

(http://www.gan4hire.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/i-dont-want-to-live-on-this-planet-anymore-11372-2560x16001.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 19, 2013, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 19, 2013, 08:36:02 PM
Was lurking on PZ Myers' blog (why I do this is beyond me) when I came across this recent blog post (http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/05/19/mere-atheism/) about the different versions of "atheism" and their relation to feminism, which contained this le gem:

Daqfuq is with anti-libertarians like PZ Myers failing to grasp the philosophy they vehemently criticize?!?! Does he not understand that the crux of libertarianism is self-ownership, the full autonomy over you own body and life, and the freedom it entails to do as you please provided you harm no one? How in the bloody plot of Discord does that squeeing translate to "virtual enslavement of half the population to serve the other half"? That's the exact opposite of libertarianism. Anyone with an inkling of knowledge about the history of the philosophy, from the enlightenment thinkers of John Locke and Adam Smith, to modern advocates such as Murrary Rothbard and Ayn Rand, will realize that the main argument of libertarianism (or "liberalism" as it was once called) is that no human being can own another as property. You. Cannot. Own. Another. Human. Being. Period.

But why am I bothering explaining this to you lot? You all know this. I know this. But PZ Myers doesn't. And neither does the myriad of anti-libertarians. This is why I gave up arguing with them. They're not even trying to honestly criticize the philosophy. All they do is argue and "debunk" a strawman version of it. This is the same group of people who insist that libertarianism would lead to feudalism, even though feudalism is a form of government. For Celestia's sake! Why bother talking to another person when they're not even on the same plane of existence such as yourself? It's futile. Insanity. Madness, I tell you, madness!

(http://www.gan4hire.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/i-dont-want-to-live-on-this-planet-anymore-11372-2560x16001.jpg)

That's beyond a mere strawman on PZ's part. That's just him not knowing what the fuck he is talking about.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 19, 2013, 11:15:07 PM
Oh dear.


QuoteNo one does R&D without government money, and those who do are regulated by the government so they don't pass the buck to the customer immediately.

QuoteI'm really sick of half the forum saying that government sucks and is useless, free markets are the greatest.

The point of all of this was that governments did play a large roll in the proliferation of the internet. Saying that the government couldn't have used the technology that they had because they didn't is unhelpful, irrelevant, and just plain wrong. The article itself basically says that the only reason ARPA didn't try to interconnect networks is because they had no reason to- Xerox did.

My favorite part is when he spouts off about "government money" Like he thinks if government didn't have that moeny and subsidize R&D Since eveyrone knows governments money is special and iwthout government it would just vanish.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 20, 2013, 12:23:54 AM
QuoteNo one does R&D without government money, and those who do are regulated by the government so they don't pass the buck to the customer immediately.

simply untrue: many researchers who have been developing new research and technology have no government funding. for example, I did my research on Ordovician coral reef possibilities without any funding whatsoever--and it worked out well. managed to solve a decade old mystery.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 20, 2013, 01:30:17 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 19, 2013, 08:36:02 PM
This is the same group of people who insist that libertarianism would lead to feudalism, even though feudalism is a form of government.

As Shane once pointed out, even if that were true, they'd always be free to leave!  Under their own twisted logic, if they stayed in such a place, would they not therefore be in support of it?

Oh snap!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 20, 2013, 09:59:57 AM
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The comments by snake2006 defending Nintendo are complete fail.

Not only does he deny the fact that video games are a completely different form of medium than television and movies, but has the absolute arrogance to believe that HIS idea of what "ruins" a game should apply to others.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 20, 2013, 10:47:01 AM
Quote from: D on May 20, 2013, 09:59:57 AM
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The comments by snake2006 defending Nintendo are complete fail.

Not only does he deny the fact that video games are a completely different form of medium than television and movies, but has the absolute arrogance to believe that HIS idea of what "ruins" a game should apply to others.

It should be said, the video itself is win.

I don't really understand this at all. If we're to take the claims of statists at face value, we need this copyright stuff to protect companies from lost sales; so if someone uploads a movie where anyone can download it for free, people will get the movie that way instead of buying the DVD, or watching it on cable or satellite TV or Netflix or whatever. But this? Do they REALLY think that someone watching someone else play a game will mean they won't want to play it afterwards?

I mean, really: how many times have you seen kids in a park watch another kid playing hopscotch, and you ask them why they're not playing it, and they say, "I don't need to; I've already seen someone else play it"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 20, 2013, 11:31:44 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 20, 2013, 10:47:01 AM
It should be said, the video itself is win.

I don't really understand this at all. If we're to take the claims of statists at face value, we need this copyright stuff to protect companies from lost sales; so if someone uploads a movie where anyone can download it for free, people will get the movie that way instead of buying the DVD, or watching it on cable or satellite TV or Netflix or whatever. But this? Do they REALLY think that someone watching someone else play a game will mean they won't want to play it afterwards?

I mean, really: how many times have you seen kids in a park watch another kid playing hopscotch, and you ask them why they're not playing it, and they say, "I don't need to; I've already seen someone else play it"?

Not only that, but how many kids would say, "You need to give credit to the creator of hop scotch while playing hop scotch."

It's silly, and the sooner Nintendo gets their heads out of their asses, the better.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 20, 2013, 11:34:46 AM
Quote from: D on May 20, 2013, 11:31:44 AM
Not only that, but how many kids would say, "You need to give credit to the creator of hop scotch while playing hop scotch."

Not that I'm really into the gaming genre, but I've seen a few "Let's Play" videos, and they've all mentioned the creator and the game they're playing. Wouldn't be any point otherwise, from what I can tell.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 20, 2013, 11:41:24 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 20, 2013, 11:34:46 AM
Not that I'm really into the gaming genre, but I've seen a few "Let's Play" videos, and they've all mentioned the creator and the game they're playing. Wouldn't be any point otherwise, from what I can tell.

The idea of Let's Play has grown to a point where it isn't entirely about the game itself. The popularity also comes from the personalities who are actually playing the games too.

Guys like Chuggaaconroy, for example, are going to get views no matter what game he plays, because people actually like him as well as the games he plays. Whether or not they like his personality, or how he goes about giving information about the game, to simply watching him make mistakes or playing with a certain amount of skill. The player makes the video just as much as the game itself does. If they didn't, people who only upload game footage and nothing else would be just as popular as LPers, and more times than not, that simply isn't happening.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 20, 2013, 11:59:01 AM
In the comments of this vid (vid itself is unrelated)

"Good video, but in the interest of halting the unknowing spread of malicious right wing lies: that debt clock graph you used is just republican scaremongering. Oh my God the debt is spiraling out of control, we're doomed, let's cut social security. That sort of thing.
        It only looks scary because of what it leaves out, the massive increase in the size of the US economy over that same period. Debt-to-GDP figures are a much better picture of the debt burden and that graph isn't remotely scary."


I couldn't let that go unchallenged so I replied...

So...running up a bill and dumping it on the next generation is totally cool with you?
        You know that kinda makes you an asshole right?
        And you also know that anyone with even an elementary level arithmatic can figure out that social security is not sustainable unless you make it run at 0 overhead which is impossible.


Watch him try to look smart

pro tip for the economic illiterates among us:
        That "bill" that is being run up is money that we owe to ourselves. Moralizing about the money future generations will owe conveniently ignores that the money is also going to be owed TO those generations.
        You know even less about SS than you do about the debt, so you throw in words like "overhead" so you can pretend you know what you are talking about. The Federal Government does not operate under the same constraints as a business or household


Me again

"pro tip for the economic illiterates among us"
    It thinks it's smart, isn't that cute? ^^
    "That "bill" that is being run up is money that we owe to ourselves. Moralizing about the money future generations will owe conveniently ignores that the money is also going to be owed TO those generations."
    Money I owe myself? That made no sense whatsoever.
    "The Federal Government does not operate under the same constraints as a business or household."
    Becaaaaauuuuuuuse.....?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 20, 2013, 02:52:12 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JVsvyiv.jpg)

So making marginal cuts in projected spending is comparable to terrorists killing thousands of innocent civilians by flying planes into buildings? I know humor is subjective, but damn! There's criticizing someone for their politics, and then there's squeeing libel. This is squeeing libel!

The only plus side to this is that the comment section (http://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/1eotzd/seeking_4th_horseman_must_enjoy_deadlock_and/) of the subbreddit where this image is posted is unanimously disgusted by this, and keep in mind, this subreddit is plagued by libtarded moonbats who oppose the sequester like the Hong Kong Flu.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 20, 2013, 04:34:41 PM
If I was the guy making this poster, I'd put 440 people on it (congress+VP+Mr.Choom+that woman of blood*)

*Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2013, 06:51:45 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 20, 2013, 02:52:12 PM
So making marginal cuts in projected spending is comparable to terrorists killing thousands of innocent civilians by flying planes into buildings? I know humor is subjective, but damn! There's criticizing someone for their politics, and then there's squeeing libel. This is squeeing libel!

The only plus side to this is that the comment section (http://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/1eotzd/seeking_4th_horseman_must_enjoy_deadlock_and/) of the subbreddit where this image is posted is unanimously disgusted by this, and keep in mind, this subreddit is plagued by libtarded moonbats who oppose the sequester like the Hong Kong Flu.

I know right?  These statist idiots would shit if what guys like me want to come to pass happened (note:  I'm an anarcho-capitalist.  I'll let you figure out the rest. ;3).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 20, 2013, 07:00:36 PM
The government of Hungary has destroyed 1000 acres of Monsanto GMO Corn Fields.
1000 acres of FOOD!
What the FUCK!?!

http://www.realfarmacy.com/hungary-destroys-all-monsanto-gmo-corn-fields/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 21, 2013, 01:19:38 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 20, 2013, 07:00:36 PM
The government of Hungary has destroyed 1000 acres of Monsanto GMO Corn Fields.
1000 acres of FOOD!
What the FUCK!?!

http://www.realfarmacy.com/hungary-destroys-all-monsanto-gmo-corn-fields/

Oh my...

What is all the damn fuss about?  Who has actually been harmed by GMO foods?  Who?!  I want names!  Right here right now!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 21, 2013, 01:51:06 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on May 21, 2013, 01:19:38 AM
Oh my...

What is all the damn fuss about?  Who has actually been harmed by GMO foods?  Who?!  I want names!  Right here right now!

The comments in this article are even dumber.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on May 21, 2013, 01:42:23 PM
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Fail comes from the comments of one Mat Helm, whom I think would sound a lot smarter if he didn't start with his various assumptions. His comments in red, mine in blue, others in green.

To summarize, the video discusses business being driven away from Anacostia because of 1950s zoning laws which forces retailers in DC to provide on-property parking.

ah u libertarians, once again you don't take the time to understand why things are the way they are. While I don't agree with the inflexible government, downtown parking is a much more complex problem than it seems. Without rules and that hated meter maid, no one would ever find a parking spot because those that work there would have them all filled all of the time. It would be like having a neighbor with 20 relatives living with them and using all the on street parking...

"If you don't do something, there will be chaos!" Same old pro government logic.

I'm about as anti government as they come but yes, sometimes that's true. The one job the government has is not only protecting a persons rights as spelled out in the constitution. But also protecting rights from being infringed upon by others exercising their rights (hope I said that right).

The issue isn't that there's not enough parking... The issue is that Anacostia's zoning laws require developers to provide parking _on_site_, which raises costs, be it monetary or in terms of square footage.

...one, I saw streets in front of those buildings, and where there's street, people will park... Two, where do the employees park? And lastly, are they expecting all their business to come from with in walking distance? So where do the customers park? Outside of the pedestrian area I mean? Or will they need a law banning anyone who didn't walk from home?

If you actually watched the video or lived in/near DC, you'd know about stuff like the bus and rail systems, which people use throughout DC, not just in Anacostia. Furthermore, I think you underestimate how far people can and will walk, especially in a crowded city such as DC which makes travel by car rather inefficient.

"Where do the employees park?" Probably at least half of the employees don't have cars.

...But that bares no resemblance to reality. Most of downtown workers park in "the right" place or as u put it, don't drive to work. But that still leaves far fewer spaces than those trying to park there. I still maintain that this video over simplifies the issue.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 21, 2013, 05:52:41 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 20, 2013, 07:00:36 PM
The government of Hungary has destroyed 1000 acres of Monsanto GMO Corn Fields.
1000 acres of FOOD!
What the FUCK!?!

http://www.realfarmacy.com/hungary-destroys-all-monsanto-gmo-corn-fields/

This is what happens when you place faith in mother nature over scientific reasoning. Enviromentalism: it may not be a religion, but it sure as hell acts like one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 21, 2013, 06:24:07 PM
I always find it funny when people think markets require government in order to even exist, let alone function.
QuoteMarkets are HEAVILY influenced by government. You can't have one type of market and another type of government. You can have a government that interferes/influences the markets more or less. Even a black market (the most pure form of capitalism) is still influenced by government policy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 21, 2013, 06:44:52 PM
Oh good, another one of these "WE NEED TO COMBINE THE TWO" peons.

QuoteIn a perfect socialism, everyone works for the betterment of the group, and in doing so everyone benefits. It emerges naturally in small groups, but often breaks apart in larger groups. I've watched it succeed many times in MMOs in small guilds (or whatever the game calls it): the fact that everyone is willing to put everything they have into the guild means the guild has that many more resources, and everyone benefits.

The problem is that it only takes a couple people acting to further their own interests at the cost of the group to bring it down, which means that in most large socialist groups (including all countries), some form of coercion is needed.

In a perfect capitalism, each person acts in their own self interest with full knowledge of their choices, and the benefits and costs thereof. The idea of this is that each person knows what is best for them, and so by having everyone do what is best for them, what emerges is what is best for everyone.

Unfortunately, there is mathematical indications that a perfect capitalism is mathematically impossible: even if a person had perfect knowledge of all of their choices, they can't make sense of all of them. Which means that in any capitalism, there is room for people to hide information from others, and in doing so gain an advantage.

The ideal system is a mix of the two, where people as a group decide what is best for them as a group: what criteria they will use to make decisions, and then provide for experts that make decisions based on those criteria. This isn't quite the system that most developed countries use: we choose people to make decisions rather that criteria by which decisions are made, but it works well enough.

Sorry folks, "compromise" may be a nice sounding word, but that doesn't mean it's always the best or morally right thing to do.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 21, 2013, 06:57:17 PM
Oh this just got better.

Apparently, he didn't take too kindly that I don't like the idea of others determining what is best for me.

QuoteReally Dave? There is no group you identify with that you would do something for, even at your own expense, and fuck everyone who does?

Fine. Fuck the military, and them risking their lives for others. Fuck the police, and the firefighters, who risk their lives for others. Fuck everyone who was ever kind to you without some ulterior motive. Fuck them all. Fuck every politician who ever was: whether or not you voted for them, because they were making decisions for you. Fuck your parents, and their parents, and every parent, who makes choices for their children.

Sorry, but I can't do that. If each person lived according to what was best for them, and only them, we'd have killed ourselves off a long time ago. And if we each tried to make every decision for ourselves, we'd go crazy. We'd be so busy making decisions we couldn't DO anything.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 22, 2013, 01:41:14 AM
QuoteAm I the only one who would like to see what would happen to this country if for just one or two weeks all of the caucasian, heterosexual men weren't allowed to voice an opinion on anything pertaining to government?

Isn't it funny that those call for tolerance are just as intolerant?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 22, 2013, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 22, 2013, 01:41:14 AM
Isn't it funny that those call for tolerance are just as intolerant?
@OP you quoted:  Classy dude...really classy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 22, 2013, 10:33:07 AM
Too many to quote, but there are people all over the Internet calling Steven Moffat sexist (yet again) for the line in the Doctor Who finale, "Surrender your women and intellectuals." For crying out loud, people, this was said by a fucking SONTARAN!!! So, what, a writer is sexist unless he makes Sontarans progressive???
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 22, 2013, 11:37:36 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 22, 2013, 10:33:07 AM
Too many to quote, but there are people all over the Internet calling Steven Moffat sexist (yet again) for the line in the Doctor Who finale, "Surrender your women and intellectuals." For crying out loud, people, this was said by a fucking SONTARAN!!! So, what, a writer is sexist unless he makes Sontarans progressive???

Never mind that the character is quite firmly established to be so gender-blind that he invariably calls young women 'boy'.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 22, 2013, 01:52:43 PM


Good grief man. By the time there is a revolution and socialist government has superseded the Capitalist one there won't be a need for you to employ anyone.

The Socialist government will ensure that the worker's needs are met and that's something Capitalists have never given a shit about.

I'm tempted ot ask him HOW Socialism would do this exactly. but i'm not quite sure how to best frame the question.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 22, 2013, 03:24:27 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 22, 2013, 01:52:43 PM


Good grief man. By the time there is a revolution and socialist government has superseded the Capitalist one there won't be a need for you to employ anyone.

The Socialist government will ensure that the worker's needs are met and that's something Capitalists have never given a shit about.

I'm tempted ot ask him HOW Socialism would do this exactly. but i'm not quite sure how to best frame the question.

Somewhere in the response needs to be the question of precisely how Capitalists (who, definitionally, do not coerce people into giving them money) convince people to give them money other than in exchange for things that they want.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 22, 2013, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 22, 2013, 01:52:43 PM
Good grief man. By the time there is a revolution and socialist government has superseded the Capitalist one there won't be a need for you to employ anyone.

how is that possible? there will always be a need to employ people to work under other people. society demands it. expediency imposes it. it is inevitable.

sheesh, I sound like a reaper saying this...either way, this is dumb.


QuoteThe Socialist government will ensure that the worker's needs are met and that's something Capitalists have never given a shit about.

assuming that the second part is even true (it is not--reasons are beyond the scope of the main point), how will you achieve this? you have to consider three things:

1-there are limited resources
2-people naturally align themselves both vertically and horizontally (i.e. competition is inevitable).
3-what would be the ideal standard of living. do you want a house, two cars, and a television for everyone, or a small hut and uniform for everyone?

this in itself creates this set of questions:

1-what do you define is the ideal condition? what is "poor"? "rich"? what is adequate? is adequate $400 a year? 4,000? a million?
2-how will you control the natural desire people have for social and financial domination?
3-how will you control competition?
4-how will you account for comparative advantage? some places it makes sense for people to have one thing, yet people elsewhere will not have it. how can you possibly equalize, if this is there as a problem?
5-how will you create efficient companies that can churn up a profit? you need profits to: a-pay your workers better, and b-employ more workers, and c-most importantly, to perpetuate the survival and growth of the company or industry.
6-how can you predict the ideal levels of a given group of workers in a society? as in the number of doctors, geologists, engineers, etc? and how can you keep track with how technology and social change demand changes in the levels and numbers of these?
7-how will a central agency maintain quality for so many industries?
8-and most importantly: how do you do this without punishing people of merit, and rewarding the lazy? we all know what happened in the great leap forward, and in Stalin's programs--which in effect did the same thing.


you could ask him all that tnu. I'd like to hear an answer.

because from where I'm standing, the free market is clearly the best way to provide the best conditions for everyone. but by definition, it must mean that some will be poor, and other rich. but all will be better off than if no one is rich, and all are poor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 22, 2013, 04:42:37 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 22, 2013, 07:23:36 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 22, 2013, 03:55:07 PM
how is that possible? there will always be a need to employ people to work under other people. society demands it. expediency imposes it. it is inevitable.

sheesh, I sound like a reaper saying this...either way, this is dumb.


assuming that the second part is even true (it is not--reasons are beyond the scope of the main point), how will you achieve this? you have to consider three things:

1-there are limited resources
2-people naturally align themselves both vertically and horizontally (i.e. competition is inevitable).
3-what would be the ideal standard of living. do you want a house, two cars, and a television for everyone, or a small hut and uniform for everyone?

this in itself creates this set of questions:

1-what do you define is the ideal condition? what is "poor"? "rich"? what is adequate? is adequate $400 a year? 4,000? a million?
2-how will you control the natural desire people have for social and financial domination?
3-how will you control competition?
4-how will you account for comparative advantage? some places it makes sense for people to have one thing, yet people elsewhere will not have it. how can you possibly equalize, if this is there as a problem?
5-how will you create efficient companies that can churn up a profit? you need profits to: a-pay your workers better, and b-employ more workers, and c-most importantly, to perpetuate the survival and growth of the company or industry.
6-how can you predict the ideal levels of a given group of workers in a society? as in the number of doctors, geologists, engineers, etc? and how can you keep track with how technology and social change demand changes in the levels and numbers of these?
7-how will a central agency maintain quality for so many industries?
8-and most importantly: how do you do this without punishing people of merit, and rewarding the lazy? we all know what happened in the great leap forward, and in Stalin's programs--which in effect did the same thing.


you could ask him all that tnu. I'd like to hear an answer.

because from where I'm standing, the free market is clearly the best way to provide the best conditions for everyone. but by definition, it must mean that some will be poor, and other rich. but all will be better off than if no one is rich, and all are poor.

I would disagree with you on two points. One the natural human urge to dominate and such. I'm skeptical of any claims of "human nature"  My other bit of disagreement is the whole first part. your not acocunting for the existance of Horizantal firms it seems.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 22, 2013, 10:15:55 PM
Quote from: D on May 21, 2013, 06:57:17 PM
If each person lived according to what was best for them, and only them, we'd have killed ourselves off a long time ago. And if we each tried to make every decision for ourselves, we'd go crazy. We'd be so busy making decisions we couldn't DO anything.

Sweet Celestia! It's like some people have no problem with the idea of being slaves. Making decisions for yourself is evil. Having other people think for you it's good. These people just want to be controlled, don't they?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 22, 2013, 10:21:37 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 22, 2013, 10:15:55 PM
Sweet Celestia! It's like some people have no problem with the idea of being slaves. Making decisions for yourself is evil. Having other people think for you it's good. These people just want to be controlled, don't they?

Thinking for yourself is just too difficult.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 22, 2013, 11:07:43 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 22, 2013, 07:23:36 PM
I would disagree with you on two points. One the natural human urge to dominate and such. I'm skeptical of any claims of "human nature"  My other bit of disagreement is the whole first part. your not acocunting for the existance of Horizantal firms it seems.

on the first point I will partly concede, especially about the "claim" here, but I have to say that it is still the case for at least small segment of the population--whether it would be because of their upbringing or experience. I dunno: I lot of my opinions I have to admit are based on what I see--especially considering that people differ on the individual level. I go around and see what I describe, feeling that it can be channeled in a positive way. It's partly why I don't like govco, but I am digressing at this point.

the second part? I'll level with you, I wasn't thinking about that. mea culpa.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 23, 2013, 12:00:56 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 22, 2013, 10:15:55 PM
Sweet Celestia! It's like some people have no problem with the idea of being slaves. Making decisions for yourself is evil. Having other people think for you it's good. These people just want to be controlled, don't they?

Reminds me of a (win) quote Shane once shared, really, it's the only response I could ever have to advanced stockholm syndrome people like that:

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!" -- Samuel Adams
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 23, 2013, 01:16:30 AM
My dad is watching Family Guy right now. The episode in particular is the one where Brian decides to become a Republican.

Needless to say, it's full of fail, namely the fact that they lump libertarian principles with crazy Republican opinions.

Not to mention they also have to shove in as much liberal bullshit as possible to make it sound like THEY'RE the truly rational folk.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 23, 2013, 03:35:04 AM
Quote from: D on May 23, 2013, 01:16:30 AM
My dad is watching Family Guy right now. The episode in particular is the one where Brian decides to become a Republican.

Needless to say, it's full of fail, namely the fact that they lump libertarian principles with crazy Republican opinions.

Not to mention they also have to shove in as much liberal bullshit as possible to make it sound like THEY'RE the truly rational folk.

If you think that's bad, you should see the Episode "Tea Peter" wherein Peter joins the Tea Party.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 23, 2013, 04:12:34 AM
Quote from: tnu on May 23, 2013, 03:35:04 AM
If you think that's bad, you should see the Episode "Tea Peter" wherein Peter joins the Tea Party.

You think Seth would have learned from his ass whooping from Penn Jillette.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 23, 2013, 04:32:44 AM
Do I need any proof that politifact is baised?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/jan/20/was-early-1960s-golden-age-health-care/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 23, 2013, 08:03:16 AM
Not sure if this is a fail.

http://titanicfan1000.deviantart.com/art/Top-10-Free-Market-Leaders-372666805
I brought up that Reagan only paid lip service to small government and was given this link
http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa261.pdf

Any truth to it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 23, 2013, 09:03:19 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on May 23, 2013, 08:03:16 AM
Any truth to it?

Yes, in the sense that all cherry-picked facts are, taken alone, true.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 23, 2013, 06:46:24 PM
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What a lying sack of shit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 23, 2013, 07:00:36 PM
Speaking of lying sacks of shit, WTNH, a local news station here in Connecticut BLATANTLY lied in a news story about lawsuits against the gun control laws here in Connecticut by claiming that Adam Lanza USED an AR-15 during his killing spree.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 23, 2013, 07:04:14 PM
I'm going to throw this in too:
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Dawn of Shelton in particular is a piece of shit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 23, 2013, 11:43:59 PM
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*head desk* *head desk* *head desk* Has this guy ever heard of paradolia and apophenia? I am against gun control and the government hypocrisy and shit but to believe that there is this satanic global conspiracy is a tab bit loopy. I can't believe I actually used to be like these guys.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on May 24, 2013, 02:07:18 PM
"We should not profile people, unless it necessary"-Wayne Allyn Root

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on May 24, 2013, 02:12:16 PM
Oh sweet jesus I didn't even get to the part where WAR was talking to the people who were profiled because they were black or muslim.

Go fuck yourself Wayne Allyn Root. I would say take a hot railroad spike and shove it up your ass but obviously your head is too entrenched.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 24, 2013, 04:08:40 PM
Quoteour continued inisitence that the government uses violence is getting old, it does what it must to do what it must. It doesn't need to explain itself to me, you or anybody
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 24, 2013, 04:13:03 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 24, 2013, 04:08:40 PM

@OP--I am reminded of the old theist cop-out argument "God works in mysterious ways."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 24, 2013, 04:41:03 PM
So while I don't mind getting my haircut, two things that do bother me about it are the wait, and the news that the barber has on the TV while we're there. Thankfully, the wait wasn't too bad today,  the news?  That's another story.

An 18 year old girl being tried as a sexual predator because the parents of her 14 year old girlfriend are bigoted assholes, and shithead cop saying "well there's a huge difference between an 14 year old and an 18 year old."  And some fucktards using the boston bombings and others to say "well they're targetting civil areas, because they know our infrastructure is weak. According to the Society of Civil Engineers, it will cost $3 trillion to repair our infrastructure and longer we wait the worse that will be."

Because more spending on it now than we've ever had ever clearly wasn't enough...
As for shitcop--And there's difference between any 4 year difference in age between people, yet because this one is between an arbitrary line in the sand, this is the one that gets her 15 years in prison, no chance at college and branded a sex offender for the rest of her life.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on May 25, 2013, 03:37:54 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/954772_175947569236465_1518895005_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/954772_175947569236465_1518895005_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 25, 2013, 04:10:14 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on May 25, 2013, 03:37:54 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/954772_175947569236465_1518895005_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/954772_175947569236465_1518895005_n.jpg)

Oh, god! THE STUPID!!! IT BURNS!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 25, 2013, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on May 25, 2013, 03:37:54 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/954772_175947569236465_1518895005_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/954772_175947569236465_1518895005_n.jpg)

So they want food to be just as crappy as public healthcare or other government bureaucracy eh?

as REHWR said

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 25, 2013, 05:32:26 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on May 25, 2013, 04:46:00 PM
(http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/blogs-prod-photos/1/6/8/4/c/1684c518617639d95110d18baa2d3515.jpg?stmp=1321568297)

Shit, you beat me to it!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 25, 2013, 05:44:27 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 25, 2013, 05:32:26 PM
Shit, you beat me to it!

LOL
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on May 25, 2013, 09:33:20 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 25, 2013, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on May 25, 2013, 09:33:20 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/935462_589539001079160_1644498209_n.jpg)
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Dr. Fluttershy has spoken.
I can see that ass from outer space--CUZ HIS BUTT'S HURT!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 26, 2013, 12:15:52 AM
God damnit! Now even Zombie Go boom is on this March Against Monsanto!

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 26, 2013, 12:59:30 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 26, 2013, 12:15:52 AM
God damnit! Now even Zombie Go boom is on this March Against Monsanto!

[yt]BiyMatwoFQM[/yt]
I honestly don't understand all the RAEG against Monsanto.  If they do things you don't like, don't buy their product.  Are they a monopoly?  Protest the government that gave them that status to begin with.  Simple.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 26, 2013, 02:19:22 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 26, 2013, 12:59:30 AM
I honestly don't understand all the RAEG against Monsanto.  If they do things you don't like, don't buy their product.  Are they a monopoly?  Protest the government that gave them that status to begin with.  Simple.

Its just like the anti vaccination movement.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 26, 2013, 09:20:58 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on May 25, 2013, 09:33:20 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/935462_589539001079160_1644498209_n.jpg)

Wow, and my respect for Harris just went WAY down. Not that it was that high to begin with...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 26, 2013, 01:51:26 PM
something tells me that jackass is or was on the WARpath...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 26, 2013, 02:37:16 PM
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This is win...until he gets to morality.  In particular "well, morality is just a cultural thing" "For example, it's ok to kill if you're on a battle field for a cause but not moral if you shoot a bunch of random people up on the streets."
Translation:  It's moral when gov't does it, but not when we do it?  Wonderful...
As Hawkeye and Stefan would say:  So subjective morality is universally preferable?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 26, 2013, 03:13:11 PM
The botttom two are not fail, but the top one is major epic fail:

(http://i.imgur.com/n6bNDPs.png)

Actually, Finland does have mandatory testing. It also has higher standards for hiring teachers. And most European countries allow parents the autonomy of where their children attend school. (And yet, "school choice" here in the states is considered regressive!)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 26, 2013, 03:16:41 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 26, 2013, 03:13:11 PM
The botttom two are not fail, but the top one is major epic fail:

(http://i.imgur.com/n6bNDPs.png)

Actually, Finland does have mandatory testing. It also has higher standards for hiring teachers. And most European countries allow parents the autonomy of where their children attend school. (And yet, "school choice" here in the states is considered regressive!)
@middle pic--actually, last I checked, addiction rate is independent of policy.  It's because of how people are wired.  It's been around 1.3%, regardless of the gov't is doing.
@bottom pic--Is this person fucking retarded?  We DID bail people out.  Has he not heard of the wall street bail outs?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 27, 2013, 09:20:27 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/480584_470011453076544_1010336315_n.jpg)

Excuse me while I vomit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 27, 2013, 10:38:06 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/382723_602163119802918_783878682_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on May 27, 2013, 01:26:43 PM
Quote from: D on May 27, 2013, 09:20:27 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/480584_470011453076544_1010336315_n.jpg)

Are the Christians admitting Jesus is behind 9/11?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 27, 2013, 02:32:40 PM
Quote from: D on May 27, 2013, 09:20:27 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/480584_470011453076544_1010336315_n.jpg)

Excuse me while I vomit.

*Barf*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 27, 2013, 03:59:18 PM
Pretty much everything MegaAstroDude has said ever, especially on this video (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=DCspQL6quG4), culminating with the claim, "buying a product [is] essentially one form of investing."

How economically ignorant do you have to be not to realize that consumption and investment are two entirely different things?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 27, 2013, 05:59:23 PM
QuoteOutside of Libertarian la-la land in which everyone would be lovely to each other if only the government would leave them alone - Britain has a real problem.


When I posted my utter "SHOCK!" that the Brish government was overstepping its boundaries and abusing its power. one of our regulars decided to post that. nevermind the fact that I never in my statement MADE such a claim.


QuoteAnd TNU, you can toot your armchair philosophy, but I'm pretty damn appreciative for the way my government preemptively handled a potential commercial train derailment (which required keen monitoring based on tips about radicalism and intent).

I also got this form one of our more openly statist members. is it just me or is he saying "I approve therefor the government is justified in forcing it onothers who don't"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on May 28, 2013, 12:44:14 PM
From Dim I mean Dem Senator Dick Durbin

Quote"But here is the bottom line – the media shield law, which I am prepared to support, and I know Sen. Graham supports, still leaves an unanswered question, which I have raised many times: What is a journalist today in 2013?

We know it's someone that works for Fox or AP, but does it include a blogger? Does it include someone who is tweeting? Are these people journalists and entitled to constitutional protection. We need to ask 21st century questions about a provision that was written over 200 years ago."

Well my response

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 28, 2013, 01:54:42 PM
Quote from: Dukect45 on May 28, 2013, 12:44:14 PM
From Dim I mean Dem Senator Dick Durbin

Well my response

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Indeed. Constitutional protections aren't things people are "entitled to." They're rights that we have, and that government is not allowed to take away from any individual, for any reason. You and I are part of the press.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 28, 2013, 02:02:09 PM
@Shane & Dukect45:  Or as someone who wrote that article at Mises.org "The Fight Against Intellectual Property" put it, those rights come from self ownership and precede the formation of government--it didn't create them.  This is clear in the wording of the Bill of Rights itself "X shall not be infringed".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 28, 2013, 02:17:41 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 28, 2013, 02:02:09 PM
@Shane & Dukect45:  Or as someone who wrote that article at Mises.org "The Fight Against Intellectual Property" put it, those rights come from self ownership and precede the formation of government--it didn't create them.  This is clear in the wording of the Bill of Rights itself "X shall not be infringed".

Indeed. Also, check out Jim Babka's comments when I had him on the podcast. He made this very same point about how you and I are a press.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 28, 2013, 06:02:03 PM
Quote from: D on May 27, 2013, 10:38:06 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/382723_602163119802918_783878682_n.png)

The ironic thing is that the free market will ensure that the XBOX One fails. Consumers do not want to buy a system that tracks their every movement, that prevents them from playing used or borrowed games without paying a fee, and which is not backwards compatible with previous systems. No. Theses consumers are going to buy from the competitors whose systems don't pull that crap. This will force Microsoft to either revise their system due to consumer demands, or pull out of the home console market. That's how the market works.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 28, 2013, 06:02:45 PM
Quote from: D on May 27, 2013, 09:20:27 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/480584_470011453076544_1010336315_n.jpg)

Excuse me while I vomit.

Not sure why this is fail. Seems pretty moving to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 28, 2013, 06:10:09 PM
I confess that I actually love Chris Hedges' columns. This is the same man who sued the Obama administration over the indefinite detention provision within the NDAA 2012. So this man deserves our respect.

However, although I love it when he rails against the state and military-industrial complex, his opinions on capitalism are little to be desired, as is the case with his recent column (http://"http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/rise_up_or_die_20130519/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews"):

QuoteThere is nothing in 5,000 years of economic history to justify the belief that human societies should structure their behavior around the demands of the marketplace. This is an absurd, utopian ideology. The airy promises of the market economy have, by now, all been exposed as lies. The ability of corporations to migrate overseas has decimated our manufacturing base. It has driven down wages, impoverishing our working class and ravaging our middle class. It has forced huge segments of the population—including those burdened by student loans—into decades of debt peonage. It has also opened the way to massive tax shelters that allow companies such as General Electric to pay no income tax. Corporations employ virtual slave labor in Bangladesh and China, making obscene profits. As corporations suck the last resources from communities and the natural world, they leave behind, as Joe Sacco and I saw in the sacrifice zones we wrote about, horrific human suffering and dead landscapes. The greater the destruction, the greater the apparatus crushes dissent.

Gentlemen, prepare your pwnage.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 28, 2013, 06:14:06 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 28, 2013, 06:10:09 PM
Gentlemen, prepare your pwnage.

Too easy the bolded statement pretty much explains how little he knows about the subject. Human behavior doesn't structure itself around the demands of the marketplace. The marketplace structures itself around the demands of human behavior. Shane also has a recent video on why companies move themselves overseas and what most people don't consider int hat regard. If it were possible to compete in today's corrupted market without moving over seas then the companies would instead keep both domestic and overseas prodeuction instead of shutting down the domestic production entierly as that would maximize profits. (I think I'm getting that right. If i'm misudnerstandign the poitns in your Video Shane pelase correct me.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on May 28, 2013, 06:36:45 PM
Quote from: D on May 27, 2013, 10:38:06 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/382723_602163119802918_783878682_n.png)

excuse me while I vomit blood
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 28, 2013, 08:13:16 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 28, 2013, 06:14:06 PM
Too easy the bolded statement pretty much explains how little he knows about the subject. Human behavior doesn't structure itself around the demands of the marketplace. The marketplace structures itself around the demands of human behavior.

Agreed. I could easily rebut it by rewording the bolded text as so:

QuoteThere is nothing in 5,000 years of political history to justify the belief that human societies should structure their behavior around the demands of the government. This is an absurd, utopian ideology. The airy promises of the state have, by now, all been exposed as lies.

Or I could quote the quotable Rothbard:

QuoteThe State! Always and ever the government and its rulers and operators have been considered above the general moral law...Service to the State is supposed to excuse all actions that would be considered immoral or criminal if committed by "private"citizens...For centuries, the state  (or more strictly, individuals acting in their roles as "members of the government") has cloaked its criminal activity in high-sounding rhetoric. For centuries the State has committed mass murder and called it "war "; then ennobled the mass slaughter that "war" involves. For centuries the State has enslaved people into its armed battalions and called it "conscription" in the "national service. " For centuries the State has robbed people at bayonet point and called it "taxation." In fact, if you wish to know how libertarians regard the State and any of its acts, simply think of the State as a criminal band, and all of the libertarian attitudes will logically fall into place
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 29, 2013, 03:00:52 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 29, 2013, 08:00:43 PM
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So, Judas' pointing out that selling the perfume could help more people is coveting wealth?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2013, 08:16:36 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 29, 2013, 08:00:43 PM
[yt]8UtQekAYcWM[/yt]

So, Judas' pointing out that selling the perfume could help more people is coveting wealth?

anything that shit-stain says deserves to be on this thread.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2013, 08:53:46 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/26/1211891/-Five-Horrific-Things-Libertarian-Conservative-Logic-Calls-Freedom
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 29, 2013, 11:00:39 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 29, 2013, 08:53:46 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/26/1211891/-Five-Horrific-Things-Libertarian-Conservative-Logic-Calls-Freedom

Both the writer and the commentators are insane.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 29, 2013, 11:17:49 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 29, 2013, 08:53:46 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/26/1211891/-Five-Horrific-Things-Libertarian-Conservative-Logic-Calls-Freedom


In the first one they use the term "LibCon" conflating libertarianism and conservatism. In  fact sounds a lot like newspeak. by removing the seperation between the concepts in their language Along the lines of "joycamp" which were forced labour camps set up by The Party in order to force people to associate thenotion wiht "joy" or "miniluv" making the notion of "love" inserpable formt hat of force3d indoctrination and torture. Or even the "minipax" which sums up "war is peace" quite nicely.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 30, 2013, 03:45:57 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 29, 2013, 08:53:46 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/26/1211891/-Five-Horrific-Things-Libertarian-Conservative-Logic-Calls-Freedom

By the same website that listed War as a GOOD government invention.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 30, 2013, 04:39:28 AM
Quote from: VectorM on May 30, 2013, 03:45:57 AM
By the same website that listed War as a GOOD government invention.

You're kidding, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 30, 2013, 06:15:50 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 30, 2013, 04:39:28 AM
You're kidding, right?

Actually, I am probably just wrong, because I can't find it on their site. I think I saw it on a different site that had a very smiliar desighn to this one, so I just asssumed it was the same.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 30, 2013, 06:49:40 AM
Quote from: VectorM on May 30, 2013, 06:15:50 AM
Actually, I am probably just wrong, because I can't find it on their site. I think I saw it on a different site that had a very smiliar desighn to this one, so I just asssumed it was the same.

DailyKos was all gung-ho on the Iraq War initially and only went against it later when the Democrats turned against it. When they did that, they deleted all of their older articles in praise of it. Yeah, the Orwell comparison tracks pretty well.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 30, 2013, 08:17:02 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2013, 06:49:40 AM
DailyKos was all gung-ho on the Iraq War initially and only went against it later when the Democrats turned against it. When they did that, they deleted all of their older articles in praise of it. Yeah, the Orwell comparison tracks pretty well.

I know it was a website that had a very similar color scheme and design as this one and it had a list of 100 government inventions. All of them were supposed to be positive, of course. It included things like bridges, the internets, etc. The typical stuff people say. But then I remember very clearly that it included War in there. I saw it a few months ago, so if they deleted it, it wasn't from then.

Probably just a different website that I can't find right now. Darn.

EDIT:

FOUND IT! It IS from DailyKos, but it's actually called "75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America" and it blows:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/29/1078852/-75-Ways-Socialism-Has-Improved-America

Quote11. War - That's right! War would not be possible without socialism. Your tax dollars are used to fight wars for your country. This is Big Government at it's biggest. Private companies don't attack other countries, at least not yet. Government is the only entity in America that can defend us from foreign enemies and our tax dollars are used for every second of it. Socialism has brought down Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, and Bin Laden. War may very well be the most socialist thing on this list.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 30, 2013, 10:04:42 AM
Quote from: VectorM on May 30, 2013, 08:17:02 AM
I know it was a website that had a very similar color scheme and design as this one and it had a list of 100 government inventions. All of them were supposed to be positive, of course. It included things like bridges, the internets, etc. The typical stuff people say. But then I remember very clearly that it included War in there. I saw it a few months ago, so if they deleted it, it wasn't from then.

Probably just a different website that I can't find right now. Darn.

EDIT:

FOUND IT! It IS from DailyKos, but it's actually called "75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America" and it blows:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/29/1078852/-75-Ways-Socialism-Has-Improved-America

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Seriously! What did I just read?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2013, 02:36:48 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 30, 2013, 10:04:42 AM
[yt]q5mLjKI968g[/yt]

Seriously! What did I just read?
You and me both...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 30, 2013, 02:37:19 PM
More blatant dogmatism from "skeptics" Derek Colanduno and Rich Hammett: https://www.facebook.com/derek.colanduno/posts/10151649144926181
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2013, 02:44:11 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2013, 02:37:19 PM
More blatant dogmatism from "skeptics" Derek Colanduno and Rich Hammett: https://www.facebook.com/derek.colanduno/posts/10151649144926181

That was painful...kinda reminds me of the crap you took from your posts on the JREF forum (I have them bookmarked). :(

Hell, the worst part of that linked article is that even the one that has a correct conclusion (that the USA was NOT founded as a 'christian nation') uses incorrect reasoning.  It goes on "what the founders wanted" not what is actually IN the constitution that is supposed to establish the government in the first place.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2013, 03:51:02 PM
http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Zambia-refuses-GM-foods-20040621
I don't want to live on this planet anymore...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2013, 09:17:23 PM
/Sigh
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I haven't verified (and I'm probably not going to), but someone quoted this guy saying in the video about Linkara: "He sounds like an asspie"  Classy, Matt.  Classy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 30, 2013, 10:03:50 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 30, 2013, 09:17:23 PM
/Sigh
[yt]fFgcDdLzv1s[/yt]

I haven't verified (and I'm probably not going to), but someone quoted this guy saying in the video about Linkara: "He sounds like an asspie"  Classy, Matt.  Classy.

This was my face after watching that video:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/1zlryhl.jpg)

Seriously, it's one thing to be wrong.
It's another thing to not only be wrong, but to be a major league asshole while wrong.

God damn I want to punch that guy right in the face. Repeatedly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 31, 2013, 06:45:02 AM
Wow, he really compared reading a comic in a video to a "Let's Play" video? Minute and a half in, and you already realize it's not worth the effort.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 31, 2013, 08:22:53 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2013, 02:37:19 PM
More blatant dogmatism from "skeptics" Derek Colanduno and Rich Hammett: https://www.facebook.com/derek.colanduno/posts/10151649144926181

Wow. Now Derek is denying that Supreme Court justices are politicians, because we don't vote for them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2013, 09:04:57 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 31, 2013, 08:22:53 AM
Wow. Now Derek is denying that Supreme Court justices are politicians, because we don't vote for them.

Even though they're appointed. /facepalm
Because clearly the only way politicians are ever put in office is by voting...just like Lil' Kim Jong Um! :D Oh wait...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2013, 09:30:03 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 31, 2013, 06:45:02 AM
Wow, he really compared reading a comic in a video to a "Let's Play" video? Minute and a half in, and you already realize it's not worth the effort.

So D watched the entire thing (so sorry for his pain. :( ) and he verified the 'asspie' remark.  And it seems D also found out (from the video I presume) that this MundaneMatt guy is unemployed.  Can you say "Jealous Rage"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 31, 2013, 10:13:58 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 31, 2013, 09:30:03 AM
So D watched the entire thing (so sorry for his pain. :( ) and he verified the 'asspie' remark.  And it seems D also found out (from the video I presume) that this MundaneMatt guy is unemployed.  Can you say "Jealous Rage"?

Actually, I found that out from Hawkeye.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on May 31, 2013, 10:38:49 AM
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/jesus-camp/

Not sure if you all saw this documentary (many of you may have), but I noticed that not only is it full of fail quotes from evangelical kids and their parents, but that the documentary tends to portray "left"-christians being more "rational" than "right"-christians and I was wondering what you guys thought.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2013, 10:40:56 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on May 31, 2013, 10:38:49 AM
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/jesus-camp/

Not sure if you all saw this documentary (many of you may have), but I noticed that not only is it full of fail quotes from evangelical kids and their parents, but that the documentary tends to portray "left"-christians being more "rational" than "right"-christians and I was wondering what you guys thought.

In my experience, the difference is fictional.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2013, 02:25:51 PM
"We know that advanced economies with stable governments that borrow in their own currency are capable of running up very high levels of debt without crisis." -- Paul Krugman.

Greece says hello.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2013, 02:59:14 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-your-online-dating-profile-isnt-working/
Not sure if fail, but at least with the image on number 2 it starts showing signs of failure: "I hate feminists = I hate women".  No.  Just no.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 31, 2013, 03:06:52 PM
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Just...fucking wow.

Talk about heavy duty propaganda.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 31, 2013, 04:05:02 PM
Quote from: D on May 31, 2013, 03:06:52 PM
[yt]K0LLaybEuzA[/yt]

Just...fucking wow.

Talk about heavy duty propaganda.

Ya, ragefit when I first saw that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 31, 2013, 04:16:31 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/582079_582289941804946_1502758131_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 31, 2013, 04:19:28 PM
Quote from: D on May 31, 2013, 04:16:31 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/582079_582289941804946_1502758131_n.jpg)

Are they that stupid?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 31, 2013, 04:20:21 PM
Quote from: D on May 31, 2013, 03:06:52 PM
[yt]K0LLaybEuzA[/yt]

Just...fucking wow.

Talk about heavy duty propaganda.


The comments are evenw orse.




QuoteIf this really happened...I think I'd survive maybe 5 minutes. I'd spend it under my bed or in a closet or something though.




QuoteEveryone would be dead... I'm sure of it..

QuoteNighthawk8787 9 hours ago

Wouldn't every city be left in ruins the day after if all crime was legal? Every pyromaniac and vandalizer would be going from building to building setting off explosives and catching neighbors houses on fire for fun.



Quotethink of all the RAPE BABIES



QuoteI think this has the potential to be amazing. The villains aren't monsters, or psychos, or anything like that. They are normal people given free rein to do whatever they wish, with no threat of punishment.


I just tried watching the trailor but I had to sotp as soon as it said "Unemployment is at %1" Eh?????
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 31, 2013, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: D on May 31, 2013, 03:06:52 PM
[yt]K0LLaybEuzA[/yt]

Just...fucking wow.

Talk about heavy duty propaganda.

I'm assuming this is propaganda against libertarianism/anarchism, which is under the assumption that libertarians/anarchists want to eliminate all laws/government, and that the result would be chaos.

Even if that were the case, this trailer sends a conflicting message in the opening when it talks about how all crime and unemployment has been eliminated and everyone is happy because they're allowed to maim and kill and go wild for one day. I'm sorry, but what's the downside to that, other than the obvious day of chaos? If the result is utopia, aside from one day of hell, how is this an argument against their strawman libertarianism/anarchism?

But if you all think THAT's fail, check out this review I discovered, which claims the movie supports racism/white supremacy: http://racismws.com/2013/04/13/is-the-purge-movie-a-rallying-cry-for-white-america/ (http://racismws.com/2013/04/13/is-the-purge-movie-a-rallying-cry-for-white-america/)

This trailer shows a black man who is a target of a lynch mob. That seems to be an argument AGAINST racism/white supremacy, not for it!

What is with the social justice crowd seriously lacking critical thinking?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on May 31, 2013, 09:41:47 PM
I find it interesting that the link that's supposed to be tying this movie to racism doesn't actually talk about racism in this movie at all. It talks about racism in movies in general, has a screenshot from this movie, some really bad grammar, and a rant. But nothing about this movie.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2013, 09:53:17 PM
Quote from: D on May 31, 2013, 03:06:52 PM
[yt]K0LLaybEuzA[/yt]

Just...fucking wow.

Talk about heavy duty propaganda.

*chortle* Meanwhile, I had to troll the comments and post spoilers on multiple postings of that video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 31, 2013, 11:38:43 PM
You know what this really is though?  It's a sign that we're winning, because they now see us as a threat.  As Larken Rose said, it just reeks of desperation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on June 01, 2013, 05:44:45 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 31, 2013, 09:30:03 AM
So D watched the entire thing (so sorry for his pain. :( ) and he verified the 'asspie' remark.  And it seems D also found out (from the video I presume) that this MundaneMatt guy is unemployed.  Can you say "Jealous Rage"?

Heh, from his video on Let's Plays, I got to the conclusion, that he is a petty emotional fuckwit who simply doesn't like Let's Players (or at least some of them) on a personal level, so he defends complete garbage out of spite.

If this is true, then it makes sense. "If I can't be well off, nobody else can" is one of the most petty, idiotic mentalities out there. I feel no remorse for this person, if he is indeed jobless.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 01, 2013, 11:09:43 AM
I got a bombshell of a fail:

Quote from: MegaAstroDudeFirst, you need to remember that America was largely founded on the idea that an industrial society is best. Just read The Federalist Papers to check. I care more about empirical data than these economists false religions, and the empirical and historical data suggests that Hamiltonian economics and Henry Clay's American School are the only economic systems worth following. This free trade that is championed by both the Marxists and the Austrians has nothing to show for it but urban decay.
--From the comments of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCspQL6quG4) (Emphasis added by me)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on June 01, 2013, 11:55:23 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 01, 2013, 11:09:43 AM
I got a bombshell of a fail:
--From the comments of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCspQL6quG4) (Emphasis added by me)

Actually, you probably got more fail here than you realize. Firstly, when America was founded, the industrial revolution had not happened yet; therefore the it couldn't have been founded on the idea an industrial society is best. Maybe a mercantile society, but not an industrial one. Secondly, Hamiltonian economics, and the subsequent Henry Clay school are not about free markets. You know those subsidies broke banks get? Hamilton invented that. (His first two reports are about assuming national and stated debts to run the government, and establishing a bank). Free trade that's championed by the Marxists? WTF?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 01, 2013, 04:10:24 PM
[yt]LMQvEZLQ2BA[/yt]


Oh and from somewhere else.


QuoteYou guys do realize that the Romney/Ryan budget and the Obama budget have extraordinarily huge differences right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 02, 2013, 11:59:06 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/political/la-me-pc-california-minimum-wage-20130530,0,4608175.story

These politicians really want to make my states economy worse, don't they?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 03, 2013, 12:48:04 AM
Oh this is good! I got this gem form oe of our firendly neighborhood statists Sparklig Fairy Dust.

QuoteWhat's your stance on monopolies? Without government, there's no feasible way to prevent massive companies from dominating a market, and therefore the entire populace. You can't say that the "free market" would solve the problem, because monopolies are part of the natural evolution of a truly free market - if the product of the company in question is vital (water, food, medical supplies, etc) it's not like you can just stop buying or use another company.

I'm thinking of puting a modified version of Hawkeye's answer as a response. would go something like this.


QuoteFirst of all, the government IS a monopoly so nice special pleading there.
Second of all, can you name me ONE monopoly in history that occurred without government support?  The bar having a complete monopoly on lawyers?  Government supported.  The AMA having a complete monopoly on doctor licensing?  Government supported.  The FED has a complete monopoly on currency?  Government supported. What about the laws in New York City that actively PROHIBIT people from starting taxi services? In a similar but more subtle vein , the requirements for licenses and permits to operate a pickup or delivery service so that, for example, If I wanted to start a taxi service or delivery service with my personal truck to make some extra, WAIT! I have to get an expensive license and permit! But OK I pay up the ass to get that but I should be able ot make back the money with my service. WRONG! I have to now spend even MORE money to modify my vehicle, which, has been proven to be perfectly safe, effective, and has worked fine since the day I bought it. But do you think that is going to prevent the state from forcibly shutting down my operations if I don't make sure every last item specified in their books is met and spend obscene amounts of money, probably going in to debt in the process, to do so? Absolutely not! They will charge me yet MORE money in fines and fees, forcibly terminate my operations entirely, or throw me in a cage. This is yet ANOTHER illustration of how the government not only does not prevent monopolies and oligopolies, but actually enforces them! And lo and behold, their services suck and their prices are highway robbery!
Gee, the state REALLY seems to care about protecting you from monopolies doesn't it?
But let's say it completely is possible for monopolies to form in a free market.  Okay, so what's the worst they could do?  Charge outlandish prices for their products and that would be bad?  Well riddle me this: What if they not only charged outlandish prices but could also FORCE you to pay for them?  What if they could force you to pay even if you didn't use their services at all?
Are you starting to see how "blow up your house to prevent an infestation" level illogical this argument really is?  I can go in to more detail if you want. I've heard EVERY version of this argument there is. Predatory pricing, collusion, buying up the competition, none of which stand up to rational analysis.


thoughts? criticsms? suggestions?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 03, 2013, 01:11:27 AM
Quote from: tnu on June 03, 2013, 12:48:04 AM
thoughts? criticsms? suggestions?
Separate it into block paragraphs.  It's kinda hard to read otherwise.  For example:

First of all, the government IS a monopoly so nice special pleading there.

Second of all, can you name me ONE monopoly in history that occurred without government support?  The bar having a complete monopoly on lawyers?  Government supported.  The AMA having a complete monopoly on doctor licensing?  Government supported.  The FED has a complete monopoly on currency?  Government supported.

What about the laws in New York City that actively PROHIBIT people from starting taxi services? In a similar but more subtle vein , the requirements for licenses and permits to operate a pickup or delivery service so that, for example, If I wanted to start a taxi service or delivery service with my personal truck to make some extra, WAIT! I have to get an expensive license and permit! But OK I pay up the ass to get that but I should be able ot make back the money with my service. WRONG! I have to now spend even MORE money to modify my vehicle, which, has been proven to be perfectly safe, effective, and has worked fine since the day I bought it. But do you think that is going to prevent the state from forcibly shutting down my operations if I don't make sure every last item specified in their books is met and spend obscene amounts of money, probably going in to debt in the process, to do so? Absolutely not! They will charge me yet MORE money in fines and fees, forcibly terminate my operations entirely, or throw me in a cage. This is yet ANOTHER illustration of how the government not only does not prevent monopolies and oligopolies, but actually enforces them! And lo and behold, their services suck and their prices are highway robbery!
Gee, the state REALLY seems to care about protecting you from monopolies doesn't it?

But let's say it completely is possible for monopolies to form in a free market.  Okay, so what's the worst they could do?  Charge outlandish prices for their products and that would be bad?  Well riddle me this: What if they not only charged outlandish prices but could also FORCE you to pay for them?  What if they could force you to pay even if you didn't use their services at all?
Are you starting to see how "blow up your house to prevent an infestation" level illogical this argument really is?  I can go in to more detail if you want. I've heard EVERY version of this argument there is. Predatory pricing, collusion, buying up the competition, none of which stand up to rational analysis.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 03, 2013, 03:37:25 AM
QuoteGovernment regulated monopolies and oligopolies and the like are usually natural monopolies and actually save you money.

and this is pretty much RIGHT AFTER somebody tried touse the "without government there would be monopolies and that would be bad." argument.  So they have NO excuse for this blatant special pleeding.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 03, 2013, 08:51:56 AM
Quote from: tnu on June 03, 2013, 03:37:25 AM
and this is pretty much RIGHT AFTER somebody tried touse the "without government there would be monopolies and that would be bad." argument.  So they have NO excuse for this blatant special pleeding.

Who ever said this are obviously oblivious to the massive debt we have.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 03, 2013, 07:48:49 PM
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Pardon me while I vomit blood...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 03, 2013, 07:49:46 PM
[yt]DWrMeBR8W-c[/yt]
And vastly more still.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 03, 2013, 07:58:11 PM
1
Quote) Obama is ending the wars (albeit far too slowly)
2) Romney/Ryan wanted to cut spending and taxes
3) There really isn't a good argument against quantitative easing

No electable candidate is interested in balancing the budget because there is very little point in doing so. Additionally attempting to balance it during the current state of economic affairs would likely backfire and lead to more debt.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 03, 2013, 09:56:10 PM
"Being Liberal" posted this idiocy:
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/270117_10151466805791275_1184318316_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 04, 2013, 01:59:41 AM
You know I've heard people say Japan is a "rational" nation, to which I point out this bullshit!

http://rt.com/news/japan-anti-nuclear-protests-129/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 04, 2013, 03:21:21 PM
http://www.theolympian.com/2013/05/29/2563350/the-shock-of-obamacare-might-be.html


I havn't read through this yet
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 04, 2013, 04:25:30 PM
http://www.salon.com/2013/06/04/the_question_libertarians_just_cant_answer/

And then, this comment showed up in the The Skeptical Libertarian's facebook post.

"We have tried libertarianism... it was back in the Dark Ages when rule of law didn't exist. Libertarianism existed LONG BEFORE any existing type of governance, when individuals had to essentially fend for themselves with no help from the community or surrounding society. Sorry, but I'd rather not take steps back into the Dark Ages. Libertarianism in its current form is a sad joke... it's almost comical in it's naiveté."

Do I even need to long list of what's wrong with this?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 04, 2013, 04:44:57 PM
The real fail is the question itself: "If your approach is so great, why hasn't any country anywhere in the world ever tried it?"

Yeah, would they have said that to the Wright Brothers? To Robert Goddard? Charles Darwin? Isaac Singer? Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak? Anyone who ever had a new idea?

The people who ask that question are the people who will never, ever change the world.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on June 04, 2013, 05:11:14 PM
Quote from: tnu on June 04, 2013, 03:21:21 PM
http://www.theolympian.com/2013/05/29/2563350/the-shock-of-obamacare-might-be.html


I havn't read through this yet

It's a piece by Paul Krugman where he goes over some of the basic talking points on Obamacare, then claims it's going to "shock" people by suddenly providing health coverage to millions of people, without stating how it will do so.

Quote from: Paul "The growth of the Internet will slow drastically" KrugmanSo yes, it does look as if there's an Obamacare shock coming: the shock of learning that a public program designed to help a lot of people can, strange to say, end up helping a lot of people — especially when government officials actually try to make it work.

Right away I notice the circular logic, but I'm sure he's committing at least half a dozen other fallacies here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 04, 2013, 07:28:23 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 04, 2013, 04:25:30 PM"We have tried libertarianism... it was back in the Dark Ages when rule of law didn't exist. Libertarianism existed LONG BEFORE any existing type of governance, when individuals had to essentially fend for themselves with no help from the community or surrounding society. Sorry, but I'd rather not take steps back into the Dark Ages. Libertarianism in its current form is a sad joke... it's almost comical in it's naiveté."

What is up with anti-libertarians trying to link libertarianism with feudalism? Last time I checked, feudalism was a form of government. Kings, queens, barons, and other monarchs were government officials. Feudalism, by its very nature, is authoritarianism, as it holds that one individual holds supreme executive power over all others. Not to mention that they held all the property to themselves, which just flies in the face of personal property rights. The comparison is so flimsy that I'm amazed that anti-libertarians aren't ashamed to make it.

But speaking of the Dark Ages, there is medival Iceland, which was an example of anarchism: http://mises.org/daily/1121
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 04, 2013, 07:33:32 PM
James Criss's comments here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=602665306410568&set=a.508311029179330.124056.343696165640818
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 04, 2013, 07:34:51 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 04, 2013, 07:28:23 PM
What is up with anti-libertarians trying to link libertarianism with feudalism? Last time I checked, feudalism was a form of government. Kings, queens, barons, and other monarchs were government officials. Feudalism, by its very nature, is authoritarianism, as it holds that one individual holds supreme executive power over all others. Not to mention that they held all the property to themselves, which just flies in the face of personal property rights. The comparison is so flimsy that I'm amazed that anti-libertarians aren't ashamed to make it.

But speaking of the Dark Ages, there is medival Iceland, which was an example of anarchism: http://mises.org/daily/1121

Lets not forget Celtic Ireland.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 04, 2013, 08:08:01 PM
On a side note, I made the grave mistake of reading the article AND the comment section. WHY DO I READ THE COMMENTS? No good can come from that!

Great. Now my brain has melted from the sheer bogosity! It's leaking from my ears and into my shoe. I need to read something smart to recover from this. Bye!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 05, 2013, 06:14:44 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20454_5-scary-myths-you-probably-believe-about-economy.html

Where do we even start?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 05, 2013, 06:32:48 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 04, 2013, 07:33:32 PM
James Criss's comments here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=602665306410568&set=a.508311029179330.124056.343696165640818
His last comment really sets the tone for his stupidity:  "Lol, listen buddy, you seem pretty smart. I think you'll figure it out when you grow up."
Lord knows we haven't heard THAT platitude enough times...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 06, 2013, 09:56:01 PM
(http://inferno.freedom-uplink.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/video-games.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 07, 2013, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 06, 2013, 09:56:01 PM
(http://inferno.freedom-uplink.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/video-games.jpg)

Um...what???
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 07, 2013, 10:56:11 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 07, 2013, 10:16:23 AM
Um...what???

They're complaining about using technology for everything it's good for, rather than limiting it to what they want everything spent on.

Some of that technology used in gaming does have other applications. Never mind that gaming is usually just about the last thing anything gets applied to.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 07, 2013, 11:09:43 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on June 07, 2013, 10:56:11 AM
They're complaining about using technology for everything it's good for, rather than limiting it to what they want everything spent on.

Some of that technology used in gaming does have other applications. Never mind that gaming is usually just about the last thing anything gets applied to.

But the ubiquity of gaming means that technology will progress even faster!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 07, 2013, 12:52:53 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 07, 2013, 10:16:23 AM
Um...what???
The idea is that we waste good technology/money/etc on video games instead of spending it on medicine, science, etc, and should feel bad.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 07, 2013, 12:58:42 PM
"I need feminism because NO means NO but sometimes YES doesn't mean YES." --The sign presented in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtRVjlblZs4)
Really, the top comment says it all: 
"Basically she's openly saying that even if she consents to sex, she still reserves the right to call it rape afterwards.  Is there even another way to read this?"

For those probably wondering, no, as far as I know, this isn't a poe.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 07, 2013, 09:33:04 PM
(http://halfwaytoconcord.worldview.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/onceyouvoteblackyounevergoback.jpg)
/sigh
Stay classy Obamatons...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 08, 2013, 02:01:53 AM
http://moviebob.blogspot.com/2013/06/escape-to-movies-purge.html?utm_source=feedly


he gives the movie a bad review but honeslty he jumps to the defense of the idea that "without government the poor would suffer and small businesses owuld collapse!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2013, 11:09:19 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html
/sigh
David Wong, everybody.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2013, 03:38:30 PM
The comments left by Jack Kazim over here: http://shanekillian.org/sk/Worlds-Smallest-Political-Quiz-Randomized/
A bit ironic that he brings up Hong Kong, which, last I checked, is the economically freest nation on the planet.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on June 08, 2013, 06:41:26 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 08, 2013, 03:38:30 PM
The comments left by Jack Kazim over here: http://shanekillian.org/sk/Worlds-Smallest-Political-Quiz-Randomized/
A bit ironic that he brings up Hong Kong, which, last I checked, was the freest nation on the planet.

Well, economically, anyway.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2013, 06:43:28 PM
Quote from: VectorM on June 08, 2013, 06:41:26 PM
Well, economically, anyway.

Fixed, thanks.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 08, 2013, 06:54:49 PM
http://www.cracked.com/video_18584_what-youE28099d-really-do-if-all-law-was-suspended-day.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2013, 07:28:14 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on June 08, 2013, 06:54:49 PM
http://www.cracked.com/video_18584_what-youE28099d-really-do-if-all-law-was-suspended-day.html
I only lasted about 2 1/2 minutes in that. Just more of the same tired old "well if we don't have laws, we can get away with anything without any repercussions" bullshit.  I stopped watching when Swaim said, "and there would be no oversight, so I could just doodle for a map and sell it!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2013, 09:45:41 PM
Here's one that needs to be in this thread:  "There ought/needs to be a law!" -- statist clowns
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 08, 2013, 10:21:05 PM
More anti-vaxxer garbage (http://wvoutpost.com/2011/06/07/the-amish-dont-get-autism-and-they-dont-get-vaccinations-possible-link/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2013, 10:42:08 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 16, 2012, 07:00:54 AM
More political dogmatism disguised as rationality:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/article.aspx?subjectid=65&articleid=20120315_65_A23_CUTLIN428086

Some highlights:

Right, because there aren't any such organizations as UL, ISO, school accreditation organizations, or other organizations that certify these things.

Circular reasoning.

Not to mention a textbook broken window fallacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 09, 2013, 07:56:39 AM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/936476_574477129259816_165038521_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on June 09, 2013, 01:19:13 PM
Quote from: D on June 09, 2013, 07:56:39 AM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/936476_574477129259816_165038521_n.jpg)

I seem to remember public employees doing it a few times. Of course 2008 was so long ago. That's why no one remembers Obama's promises.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 09, 2013, 01:26:13 PM
"Libertarianism is a narrow, immature, barbaric political philosophy, which, although alluring in certain ways, will never be a reasonable avenue for a nation. The premise that its tenets could could be applied in any sort of comprehensive way to a superpower (like, say, The United States) without resulting in disaster is an absurd distraction from logical political arguments that could only be proposed by fools, liars or psychotics.
Shared sacrifice is essential to security, prosperity, stability, equality and morality; and those who deny its virtues should be roundly ridiculed and quickly dismissed. "
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 09, 2013, 02:09:27 PM
Commenter on this page: http://shanekillian.org/sk/Question-for-Stimulus-Believing-Statists/

His crowning achievement: "The only people that don't believe in the multiplier effect are those who are too anti-social to want to pay taxes. Again, you have to pay to live in a society."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 09, 2013, 02:09:50 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on June 09, 2013, 01:26:13 PM
Shared sacrifice is essential to security, prosperity, stability, equality and morality; and those who deny its virtues should be roundly ridiculed and quickly dismissed. "

Operative question: shared sacrifice TO WHOM?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on June 09, 2013, 02:49:48 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 09, 2013, 02:09:50 PM
Operative question: shared sacrifice TO WHOM?

I always respond that sacrifice is easy if you're the one holding the knife.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on June 09, 2013, 02:52:28 PM
"The administration claims authority to sift through details of our private lives because the Patriot Act says that it can. I disagree. I authored the Patriot Act, and this is an abuse of that law."

Jim Sensenbrenner.

It's hilarious that Libertarians predicted these abuses would happen the second they heard of the Patriot Acts existence.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 09, 2013, 04:01:13 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on June 09, 2013, 02:49:48 PM
I always respond that sacrifice is easy if you're the one holding the knife.

or eating the sacrificial meat...especially if you're Aztec.

And this Sensenbrenner guy's a moron.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 09, 2013, 04:05:58 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 09, 2013, 02:09:27 PM
Commenter on this page: http://shanekillian.org/sk/Question-for-Stimulus-Believing-Statists/

His crowning achievement: "The only people that don’t believe in the multiplier effect are those who are too anti-social to want to pay taxes. Again, you have to pay to live in a society."

If they really believe it's that easy, why not just get the Fed to print an Ackermann function (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ackermann_function) A(m,n) with Graham's number (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham%27s_number) as the two arguments--dollars?  If overflow errors in the computers are an issue, just do what Zimbabwe did and redefine the currency (e.g. 1 quintillion dollars = 1 new dollars or whatever) as many times as needed?  Oh wait...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 09, 2013, 05:00:25 PM
Courtesy of https://www.youtube.com/user/RaymondDundas/about ; his, Dumbass wall of fame:

"I'm not stupid and I do know everything."—spawktalk

"Austrian is a language."—spawktalk

"Quantum mechanics is bullshit."—spawktalk

"Libertarians and Objectivists are exactly the same thing."—kucinichgrayson2012

"So, if you're 'opposed to democracy in any way, shape and form,' what are you doing sharing your enlightened ideas on YouTube?"—darby7272

"The Nazis were not nationalists"—Wylvien

"There would be NO traffic lights in Libertopia."—billburns2

"Maths = science"—franks2732

"Ok if the Austrian school is right can you name a single economy that was built on supply rather than demand?"—MsZeitgeist85

"America has free banking because the Federal Reserve is a private bank."—erkd1

"Leftists understand emotions and what they compel others to do in a way a logical person could never understand."—TheElmoIsEvil
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 09, 2013, 06:15:28 PM
[yt]9ysyZF-DZFY[/yt]
What an ass..."because you stole those music videos!111" yeah, because we haven't heard that tired old bullshit before...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 09, 2013, 06:43:06 PM
[yt]IDuLced3OFM[/yt]
This is a joke...right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 09, 2013, 07:03:13 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 09, 2013, 06:15:28 PM
[yt]9ysyZF-DZFY[/yt]
What an ass..."because you stole those music videos!111" yeah, because we haven't heard that tired old bullshit before...

Yeah, like there are no teeny-boppers downloading Awkward from The Pirate Bay.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 10, 2013, 06:15:09 PM
I'm putting this in Fail Quotes because 43% of this poll can fuck right off.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/5zdx87.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 10, 2013, 07:42:19 PM
(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/159/a/8/opposite_extremes__same_idiocy__stamp__by_mike_the_cat-d6892bj.gif)
Aww, how cute! It thinks it's being profound!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 10, 2013, 11:54:06 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 10, 2013, 07:42:19 PM
(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/159/a/8/opposite_extremes__same_idiocy__stamp__by_mike_the_cat-d6892bj.gif)
Aww, how cute! It thinks it's being profound!

Never imagined that one of my best friends on DA would have his work featured here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 11, 2013, 08:08:24 AM
GreyNight7777 in his replies to me on this video, denying that government is force: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=0iZYEgff-k0
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 11, 2013, 10:47:57 AM
Anita Sarkeesian (http://femfreq.tumblr.com/post/52673540142/twitter-vs-female-protagonists-in-video-games) strikes again:

QuoteThanks #XboxOne #E3 press conference for revealing to us exactly zero games featuring a female protagonist for the next generation.

Ah yes, those poor, poor wymynz is being oppressed because there are NO new video games with female protagonists.

Meanwhile, the Sony press conference released trailers for Mirror Edge 2 and Lightning Returns: FFXIII. The irony is painful!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 11, 2013, 11:12:22 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 11, 2013, 10:47:57 AM
Anita Sarkeesian (http://femfreq.tumblr.com/post/52673540142/twitter-vs-female-protagonists-in-video-games) strikes again:

Ah yes, those poor, poor wymynz is being oppressed because there are NO new video games with female protagonists.

Meanwhile, the Sony press conference released trailers for Mirror Edge 2 and Lightning Returns: FFXIII. The irony is painful!


Why aren't femenists targeting major problems of inequality and descrimination against women? Like actual violence agaisnt women and threats of violence? Why is THIS the center of their attention? Aren't there bigger fish to fry? I mean this isn't to say that I think this is a complete non issue, Entertainment mediums have generally always begun as boys clubs and had to progress socially but come on! We have women being physically and sexually ABUSED we have women being specifically targed for murder either for being women or for breaking some social taboo! These women are being burned at the steak practically and your targeting VIDEO GAMES!? We'll cross that bridge when we come to it but for the love of God ladies, you want to be taken seriously? Bring the fight to the god damn FRONT LINES recognize inequalities that actually THREATEN women and deal with those first!


I'm sorry about that rant just really sick of this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 11, 2013, 01:30:52 PM
[yt]DCspQL6quG4[/yt]
Every single comment by MegaAstroDude in the above video's comments section.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 11, 2013, 01:31:52 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 11, 2013, 08:08:24 AM
GreyNight7777 in his replies to me on this video, denying that government is force: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=0iZYEgff-k0
With two of your comments marked as spam.  Just like the creationists, huh?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 11, 2013, 08:47:54 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 11, 2013, 08:08:24 AM
GreyNight7777 in his replies to me on this video, denying that government is force: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=0iZYEgff-k0

Well, TinklesnortEmporium just topped him: "I don't care about the government's ability to use force. I think it's a good thing. I think they should use it more often."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 11, 2013, 09:02:11 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 11, 2013, 08:47:54 PM
Well, TinklesnortEmporium just topped him: "I don't care about the government's ability to use force. I think it's a good thing. I think they should use it more often."

That's the mark of a coward if you ask me. Afraid to do himself what he demands the government does.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 11, 2013, 09:11:39 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 11, 2013, 08:47:54 PM
Well, TinklesnortEmporium just topped him: "I don't care about the government's ability to use force. I think it's a good thing. I think they should use it more often."
And here I didn't think I'd get a chance to use this:

[yt]6Bs4-LtLlc0[/yt]

Props to MrRoboto113.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 11, 2013, 11:11:08 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 11, 2013, 10:47:57 AM
Anita Sarkeesian (http://femfreq.tumblr.com/post/52673540142/twitter-vs-female-protagonists-in-video-games) strikes again:

Ah yes, those poor, poor wymynz is being oppressed because there are NO new video games with female protagonists.

Meanwhile, the Sony press conference released trailers for Mirror Edge 2 and Lightning Returns: FFXIII. The irony is painful!

Anyone notice, how she lumps legitimate arguments with trolls.
Example:
(http://media.tumblr.com/b9b5e3068d321a60f418864f6fead084/tumblr_inline_mo78prZELO1qz4rgp.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 12, 2013, 11:34:17 AM
[yt]BiUzaqOU06M[/yt]

Wow. Just...fucking wow.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on June 12, 2013, 02:51:54 PM
Alien5p in the comments here: (I am BrokenMikrofone) [yt]I2wkBucLej8&lc=BOdwDhkHo9RHRiaePoLiuUZVIR_UAJHmVbEmrHPDYyM[/yt]

QuoteMetals like gold for example, which is rare on Earth because of it's weight dragging it to the core, would be easily accessible on asteroids, as they lack the gravity the Earth produces. Thus you wouldn't have to dig as deep to mine it. Even better, there 10s of billions of asteroids in just our solar system, opening us up to a virtually infinite treasure box of resources.
However, an endeavor like that would require *long term* funding, planning, and research. The government does that.

QuoteThere is no 'gain' for corporations because space exploration is something that requires foresight and long term planning, stuff a profit driven corporation does not possess. Beyond increasing our understanding of the universe (something I don't expect someone like you to appreciate), extra planetary mining could revolutionize the way we obtain our raw materials.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 12, 2013, 03:52:19 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 10, 2013, 11:54:06 PM
Never imagined that one of my best friends on DA would have his work featured here.
Was meant more for those who use that as a serious argument than to bash on him.  I was in a pissy mood when I posted that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 12, 2013, 05:42:36 PM
Quote from: VectorM on June 12, 2013, 02:51:54 PM
Alien5p in the comments here: (I am BrokenMikrofone) [yt]I2wkBucLej8&lc=BOdwDhkHo9RHRiaePoLiuUZVIR_UAJHmVbEmrHPDYyM[/yt]

Never mind the fact hat governments never think beyond the next election at the furthest.

Meanwhile, governments have attempted to prohibit asteroid mining and extraplanetary colonization (two major aims of the Moon Treaty) while private corporations beaver away at making space access cheap enough for colonization (a million dollars a kilo launch costs is not going to work for people to settle off planet) and the technologies to actually allow things to be done in space and other planets.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 12, 2013, 06:16:24 PM
STOSSEL PLZ!
STAHP!

Source (http://reason.com/archives/2013/06/12/why-libertarians-have-better-things-to-w)

Quote"My electronic privacy has already been utterly shredded by Google, Amazon, YouTube and so on.

They know with whom I talk, what interests me and how much time I spend doing this or that. They creep me out with targeted ads. How did they know I want that?! Oh, right ... I spent an hour searching ..."

WHY STOSSEL WHY?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 12, 2013, 07:49:16 PM
Number 1.

http://www.inquisitr.com/255241/urinating-standing-up-may-soon-be-illegal-in-europe/#5kJ7Vei0lfvqlHLp.01

What the Fuck?

Number 2.

http://www.alternet.org/cop-shot-litter-kittens-front-screaming-children

Again, What the fuck?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 12, 2013, 08:00:16 PM
well, Europe is retarded--nothing can be done about that too much, till people there get their heads out their asses.

in the meantime: who the fuck shoots kitties? >:(
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 12, 2013, 10:39:21 PM
[yt]TV4U_FDUI6M[/yt]

The video itself is win.  The comments from conservatives are epic fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 12, 2013, 11:28:53 PM
"'Capitalism = free market.'

Guess you've never heard of crony capitalism."--rehwr from the comments of this video:  https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=TV4U_FDUI6M&threaded=1
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 12, 2013, 11:32:21 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 12, 2013, 10:39:21 PM
[yt]TV4U_FDUI6M[/yt]

The video itself is win.  The comments from conservatives are epic fail.

Considering I accursed a guy of cherry picking his/her beliefs and I got back, "Is there something wrong with Cherry picking?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 12, 2013, 11:37:20 PM
Great, Micheal Bay is attached to Ghost Recon.
I get the feeling Bay is going to attach a shitty movie to my favorite tactical shooters.
[yt]dXsejJSo5a4[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 12, 2013, 11:52:12 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 12, 2013, 11:28:53 PM
"'Capitalism = free market.'

Guess you've never heard of crony capitalism."--rehwr from the comments of this video:  https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=TV4U_FDUI6M&threaded=1

That's why I HATE that term.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 13, 2013, 02:10:01 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 12, 2013, 11:52:12 PM
That's why I HATE that term.

Ya, not one of my prouder moments. You guys set me straight.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 13, 2013, 08:38:58 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 12, 2013, 11:37:20 PM
Great, Micheal Bay is attached to Ghost Recon.
I get the feeling Bay is going to attach a shitty movie to my favorite tactical shooters.
[yt]dXsejJSo5a4[/yt]

Would it be in any way surprising if Hollywood made ANOTHER bad movie adaptation of a good game, regardless of who was involved in the project?

Anything Hollywood does that connects to gaming turns to crap.  Game adaptations of movies are bad because Hollywood refuses to put the required resources into the game to make it good.  Movie adaptations of games are bad because Hollywood refuses to take games seriously.  I won't say that someday a company that makes good games will buy a studio and then use it to make good movie adaptations, because Sony already did that and it didn't help.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 13, 2013, 11:39:40 AM
One of the top comments of this video. keep in mind the video itself is not fail (Consideirng it is Julie Borowski and she hasn't disappointed us yet to my knowledge)

[yt]G9VjmHpsMxw[/yt]

KaoShae 2 weeks ago

QuoteSorry, but this doesn't violate your 4th amendment rights. Why? You opted-in to travel by air through an airport where it is well known that you will be searched in one manner or another. It is made absolutely clear that you will be searched if you /choose/ to use the airline service... And choose you did.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 13, 2013, 04:06:07 PM
Quote from: tnu on June 13, 2013, 11:39:40 AM
One of the top comments of this video. keep in mind the video itself is not fail (Consideirng it is Julie Borowski and she hasn't disappointed us yet to my knowledge)

[yt]G9VjmHpsMxw[/yt]

KaoShae 2 weeks ago


Oh when I made a reply to a thread about patents and said thats why healthcare wa sso expe3nsive I got this arrogent as fuck strawman of a snipe.

QuoteAnd the evil government saved you. Huzzah government! Oh wait, that's not right, is it?

There's no way this company would have done this if the free market reigned.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 13, 2013, 04:13:28 PM
Quote from: tnu on June 13, 2013, 04:06:07 PM

Oh when I made a reply to a thread about patents and said thats why healthcare wa sso expe3nsive I got this arrogent as fuck strawman of a snipe.
Talk about your broken window fallacy....and state cultism.  ONLY government can do it?  Gimme a fucking break.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 13, 2013, 04:48:28 PM
/sigh
I didn't want to post this...I've tried to resist...but I just can't.  So apologies in advance to BlameThe1st, but this has to go in this thread:

http://mike-the-cat.deviantart.com/journal/Obesity-and-eating-disorders-on-the-rise-373834827
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 13, 2013, 05:31:26 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on June 13, 2013, 08:38:58 AM
Would it be in any way surprising if Hollywood made ANOTHER bad movie adaptation of a good game, regardless of who was involved in the project?

Anything Hollywood does that connects to gaming turns to crap.  Game adaptations of movies are bad because Hollywood refuses to put the required resources into the game to make it good.  Movie adaptations of games are bad because Hollywood refuses to take games seriously.  I won't say that someday a company that makes good games will buy a studio and then use it to make good movie adaptations, because Sony already did that and it didn't help.

Ya, but its Bay. Which means it will be worse than shit, and make shitloads of money anyway.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 13, 2013, 05:57:10 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 13, 2013, 05:31:26 PM
Ya, but its Bay. Which means it will be worse than shit, and make shitloads of money anyway.


Why is Bay successful?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 13, 2013, 06:21:08 PM
Quote from: tnu on June 13, 2013, 05:57:10 PM

Why is Bay successful?
because explosions? /shrug
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 13, 2013, 08:33:14 PM
This comment by ChosunNinja.

"Leave your comments and I shall read them privately and rate the video if you want more.
Remember...NOBODY pays me to share with all of you so i don't need your insults, whining or your NO MONEY subscriptions because it doesn't benefit me whatsoever...understand?
Watch if you want to learn for free... and stop watching if you desire to pay for these techniques if the haters even know this much. Fair enough?"

[yt]mKamVyiqpro[/yt]

Just to show what a moron this ChosunNinja is.

[yt]eFwbeV02x30[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 13, 2013, 08:43:52 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 13, 2013, 08:33:14 PM
This comment by ChosunNinja.

"Leave your comments and I shall read them privately and rate the video if you want more.
Remember...NOBODY pays me to share with all of you so i don't need your insults, whining or your NO MONEY subscriptions because it doesn't benefit me whatsoever...understand?
Watch if you want to learn for free... and stop watching if you desire to pay for these techniques if the haters even know this much. Fair enough?"

[yt]mKamVyiqpro[/yt]

Just to show what a moron this ChosunNinja is.

[yt]eFwbeV02x30[/yt]

Hey, I think I remember someone doing a video on this guy showing that he was a fraud and was racist against the Japanese (and a Korean Nationalist or something).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 13, 2013, 08:53:13 PM
[yt]rMn2R5txO28[/yt]

Love how he disabled comments, ratings and even statistics!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 13, 2013, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 13, 2013, 08:43:52 PM
Hey, I think I remember someone doing a video on this guy showing that he was a fraud and was racist against the Japanese (and a Korean Nationalist or something).

I haven't really watched any of his videos so I wouldn't know. As someone of Korean decent, I can tell you that the racism in East Asia (Korea, China, Japan) is pretty much the norm, especially among senior citizens and few among the middle aged. The younger guys do get along for the most part tho.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 13, 2013, 10:06:10 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 11, 2013, 08:08:24 AM
GreyNight7777 in his replies to me on this video, denying that government is force: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=0iZYEgff-k0
Aaand, our favorite example of a butthurt pillock who can't let go--FSAthe1st--has joined in.  Grief.  This guy just can NOT give it up, can he?  Him and MasterGhostKnight need serious psychological help.  For real.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 14, 2013, 12:51:30 AM
[yt]34Xla8XPYz0[/yt]

#1 roads
#2 courts
#3 borders
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 14, 2013, 08:00:25 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on June 14, 2013, 12:51:30 AM
[yt]34Xla8XPYz0[/yt]

#1 roads
#2 courts
#3 borders

Roads and courts hav3e already been answered several times before. But why are borders even an issue?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 14, 2013, 10:22:12 AM
Quote from: tnu on June 14, 2013, 08:00:25 AM
Roads and courts hav3e already been answered several times before. But why are borders even an issue?

A very good question, since borders are pretty much definitionally created by the existence of states (since a state needs to specify where it ends and the next one begins or they end up fighting over it).

If you look at places and times without functioning states, there are no borders, and nobody cares.  In fact, some states haven't really had borders (for instance, the ancient Egyptian state didn't have real borders for most of its' length, since there was wide desert on either side of the Nile valley and most of it wasn't worth going into in the first place, there being few places other than the ends of the Nile Valley that had anything worth going out of sight of the valley).  There are still a few places with borders that are, at best, poorly defined, like the Empty Quarter in the Arabian Peninsula, which has borders between three states go in and be rather a matter of opinion once inside since there's never been anything worth arguing over in the region.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 14, 2013, 03:46:03 PM
I know it's considered wrong to tell others that their opinions are wrong...

[yt]-rnhpjCUnLE[/yt]

But his opinion is wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 14, 2013, 09:05:23 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1013650_465660043525582_2131872931_n.jpg)

>Capitalist America

IT BURNS!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 15, 2013, 10:00:21 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on June 14, 2013, 12:51:30 AM
[yt]34Xla8XPYz0[/yt]

#1 roads
#2 courts
#3 borders

What question is that (the numbered items) supposed to be an answer to?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 15, 2013, 01:04:17 PM
Same video: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=0iZYEgff-k0

GreyKnight7777 is so desperate he's accusing me of deleting my comments out of cowardice:

(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b632/greyknight7777/shane_is_hypocrite_zpse20ec7da.png)

Funny, since right after he posted this I took this ACTUAL screenshot of the exchange:

(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h364/Shane_Killian/Screenshotfrom2013-06-15125847.png)

EDIT: And now he's claiming that these are two different conversations!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 15, 2013, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 15, 2013, 01:04:17 PM
Same video: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=0iZYEgff-k0

GreyKnight7777 is so desperate he's accusing me of deleting my comments out of cowardice:

(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b632/greyknight7777/shane_is_hypocrite_zpse20ec7da.png)

Funny, since right after he posted this I took this ACTUAL screenshot of the exchange:

(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h364/Shane_Killian/Screenshotfrom2013-06-15125847.png)

EDIT: And now he's claiming that these are two different conversations!
What an asshole.  I don't even think I've seen other statists go that far.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 15, 2013, 02:21:37 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 15, 2013, 02:06:46 PM
What an asshole.  I don't even think I've seen other statists go that far.

And Statists still wonder why we consider them exactly like creationists?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 15, 2013, 02:29:51 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 15, 2013, 02:06:46 PM
What an asshole.  I don't even think I've seen other statists go that far.

He's now saying that the deleted post was of me saying:

Quote

Here's the definition of "corporation" from dictionaryDOTlawDOTcom: "an organization formed with state governmental approval to act as an artificial person to carry on business (or other activities), which can sue or be sued, and (unless it is non-profit) can issue shares of stock to raise funds with which to start a business or increase its capital."

Note: WITH STATE GOVERNMENTAL APPROVAL.

Funny how that post is still there. (There is a deleted post above it, which may have been me deleting and reposting to fix a typo or something, but either way, using it to attack my character is EXTREMELY bogus.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 15, 2013, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on June 15, 2013, 02:21:37 PM
And Statists still wonder why we consider them exactly like creationists?

FSAthe1st even attacked peer review in those comments!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 15, 2013, 02:34:02 PM
@Skm1091: Mhm.  If the glove fits as they say.

@Shane: I facepalmed when they talked about "well calling someone a statist is like calling someone an evolutionist; both are facts.  Statism is the unavoidable result of huge societies."
1.  If that's true, then how can he give examples of failures of it when, by his own admission, it hasn't happened/been tried?  2.  rewind 200 years ago, he'd have said the same of slavery.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 15, 2013, 02:55:59 PM
/sigh
And we have fucktards like FSAthe1st and others claiming that because govco hasn't shut down BitCoin, govco isn't force.  I wish I was making that up.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 15, 2013, 06:13:27 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 15, 2013, 02:34:02 PM
@Skm1091: Mhm.  If the glove fits as they say.

@Shane: I facepalmed when they talked about "well calling someone a statist is like calling someone an evolutionist; both are facts.  Statism is the unavoidable result of huge societies."
1.  If that's true, then how can he give examples of failures of it when, by his own admission, it hasn't happened/been tried?  2.  rewind 200 years ago, he'd have said the same of slavery.

Or that Non-Anglicans having rights in the UK was subversive and dangerous....

@ Surhot: you know, except for all the times Government has shut down places, like Megaupload for example.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 15, 2013, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 15, 2013, 02:30:11 PM
FSAthe1st even attacked peer review in those comments!

I'm not going to sugercoat it! He's insane!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 15, 2013, 07:15:40 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 15, 2013, 06:45:11 PM
I'm not going to sugercoat it! He's insane!

Insane is not strong enough of a word. Batshit deranged, demented, egomaniac is a better definition. This fucker is also a censoring coward isn't he?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 15, 2013, 09:23:55 PM
My god this man is a fuckign sociopath




Tnu

Really then? WHat do I do when the government decides they don't like what I'm saying? Like I siad i'm willing to be reasonable, i'll give up my gun rights when the state gives up all of their guns. Why is that so unreaasonable? Why do they deserve to have guns? Why are they any mroe trustworhty then the ocmmon man?
· in reply to Daniel Martinez
Daniel Martinez



Daniel Martinez

Answer: the goverment has power, you have the power that the goverment gives you.

Can you fight against an entire division of the army? No

Can you fight against 8 tanks trying to kill you and your family? No

Can you fight against a bomber squad in the sky? No

You have the guns because the goverment gives you permision to have them, because it gives you the "ilusion" of power, in truth you have only the power the goverments wants you to have.



In refrence its part of the gun contorlivdeo already linked.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 15, 2013, 09:26:44 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 15, 2013, 06:13:27 PM
Or that Non-Anglicans having rights in the UK was subversive and dangerous....

@ Surhot: you know, except for all the times Government has shut down places, like Megaupload for example.
I know, right?  His argument is like saying that "well because I can point to people Hitler DIDN'T kill that means he isn't a mass murderer!" I mean, come on!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 15, 2013, 09:37:34 PM
"I've already asked this question, but you seem to have missed it. Outside of a set of societal rules (codified or otherwise), what would a "marriage" be? "--GreyKnight7777, proving he is a state cultist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 15, 2013, 10:17:29 PM
Quote from: tnu on June 15, 2013, 09:23:55 PM
My god this man is a fuckign sociopath




Tnu

Really then? WHat do I do when the government decides they don't like what I'm saying? Like I siad i'm willing to be reasonable, i'll give up my gun rights when the state gives up all of their guns. Why is that so unreaasonable? Why do they deserve to have guns? Why are they any mroe trustworhty then the ocmmon man?
?in reply to Daniel Martinez
Daniel Martinez



Daniel Martinez

Answer: the goverment has power, you have the power that the goverment gives you.

Can you fight against an entire division of the army? No

Can you fight against 8 tanks trying to kill you and your family? No

Can you fight against a bomber squad in the sky? No

You have the guns because the goverment gives you permision to have them, because it gives you the "ilusion" of power, in truth you have only the power the goverments wants you to have.



In refrence its part of the gun contorlivdeo already linked.

What Martinez is saying in nutshell 1. Bend over even though you know it's wrong. 2. My killer is good, Your killer is bad.

So if one day the government said, that free speech is illegal he would go along with eh?

Sick bastard indeed.

BTW do know the exact video?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 15, 2013, 10:48:53 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on June 15, 2013, 10:17:29 PM
What Martinez is saying in nutshell 1. Bend over even though you know it's wrong. 2. My killer is good, Your killer is bad.

So if one day the government said, that free speech is illegal he would go along with eh?

Sick bastard indeed.

BTW do know the exact video?

[yt]DjVlhuiXDls[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 16, 2013, 01:23:23 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 15, 2013, 09:37:34 PM
"I've already asked this question, but you seem to have missed it. Outside of a set of societal rules (codified or otherwise), what would a "marriage" be? "--GreyKnight7777, proving he is a state cultist.

Hell, the moron can't tell the difference between an insult and an ad hominem.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 16, 2013, 09:09:12 AM
Well, GreyKnight7777 just quote-mined the dictionary! That makes TWO statists I've seen do that, as opposed to only one creationist (Kent Hovind).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 16, 2013, 12:17:36 PM
"Happy Fathers Day to the strong single Mothers that have to play both roles" https://www.facebook.com/pages/Happy-Fathers-Day-to-the-strong-single-Mothers-that-have-to-play-both-roles/244800212228415

Happy Father's Day everyone, including single moms, dads and parentless kids who do it all. http://inagist.com/all/346273941188378624/

This is happening all over Facebook and everywhere else: single moms getting Father's Day wishes and presents because they do the work of dads, too.

So, does this mean that I as a single dad am going to get these same wishes and presents on Mother's Day?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 16, 2013, 02:21:23 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 16, 2013, 12:17:36 PM
"Happy Fathers Day to the strong single Mothers that have to play both roles" https://www.facebook.com/pages/Happy-Fathers-Day-to-the-strong-single-Mothers-that-have-to-play-both-roles/244800212228415

Happy Father's Day everyone, including single moms, dads and parentless kids who do it all. http://inagist.com/all/346273941188378624/

This is happening all over Facebook and everywhere else: single moms getting Father's Day wishes and presents because they do the work of dads, too.

So, does this mean that I as a single dad am going to get these same wishes and presents on Mother's Day?


Now i'mthinking about the car accident and it's making me sad.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 16, 2013, 11:05:32 PM
"I personally think that a child's life is more important than an adult's life. They still hold their innocence."

Seriously, anyone who thinks this can go fuck themselves.

Normally I try not to resort to simply waving someone off as a scumbag piece of shit, but this is one of the few arguments that just tells me that you don't really give a shit about how other people feel at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 17, 2013, 12:33:54 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 15, 2013, 02:30:11 PM
FSAthe1st even attacked peer review in those comments!

FSAthe1st, I'm convinced he will never admit to being wrong.

I called him out on his misuse of the term ad hominem, he tries to change the subject.

I've noticed a pattern here.

He said in a comment that pitbulls are dangerous and I addressed that argument, he tries to change the subject to freedom of speech.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 17, 2013, 09:42:05 AM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/580428_444315148997332_1257798413_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 17, 2013, 09:49:48 AM
Quote from: D on June 17, 2013, 09:42:05 AM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/580428_444315148997332_1257798413_n.jpg)
Funny, the public unions spent vastly more than even that.  Though I don't think he's against getting rid of public unions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 17, 2013, 01:27:37 PM
Quote from: D on June 17, 2013, 09:42:05 AM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/580428_444315148997332_1257798413_n.jpg)

Oh the irony.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 17, 2013, 02:03:10 PM
QuoteThe FDA is accountable to Congress, which is elected by the people. To my knowledge, there hasn't been an issue with FDA regulation. We have remarkably few outbreaks of foodborne disease in a country of 300,000,000 people. The FDA keeps producers in line and everyone benefits. When an outbreak occurs, they investigate and determine the cause.

Unless you have proof that they're being bought and sold by 'any asshole with enough money', don't bring it up. You don't get to automatically assume corruption.


I know this is easy if you know where ot look but can somebody point me to a good comprehensive list of FDA abuses?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 17, 2013, 02:08:46 PM
Quote from: tnu on June 17, 2013, 02:03:10 PM

I know this is easy if you know where to look but can somebody point me to a good comprehensive list of FDA abuses?
I recall Mary J. Ruwart doing a study showing that over 4 million people have been killed by the FDA prolonging the release of lifesaving drugs.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 17, 2013, 02:14:23 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 17, 2013, 02:08:46 PM
I recall Mary J. Ruwart doing a study showing that over 4 million people have been killed by the FDA prolonging the release of lifesaving drugs.


Link? I'm perticularly trying ot prove the FDA's "revolving door" status with the ndsutry it supposedly keeps in check.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 17, 2013, 02:37:37 PM
Quote from: tnu on June 17, 2013, 02:14:23 PM

Link? I'm perticularly trying ot prove the FDA's "revolving door" status with the ndsutry it supposedly keeps in check.
Shane spoke of it numerous times in the JREF forum.  I don't recall seeing a link though (at least not in a post that wasn't deleted :( ).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 17, 2013, 02:39:23 PM
Your basic cronyism:

Strides in Scientific Integrity at FDA Hindered by Special Interests | Union of Concerned Scientists
http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/fda-2012-survey-1377.html

What's Missing on Your FDA Drug Warning Label: Corporate Influence over the Safety Process | Alternet
http://www.alternet.org/story/60973/what%27s_missing_on_your_fda_drug_warning_label%3A_corporate_influence_over_the_safety_process
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 17, 2013, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 17, 2013, 02:37:37 PM
Shane spoke of it numerous times in the JREF forum.  I don't recall seeing a link though (at least not in a post that wasn't deleted :( ).

There was a PDF somewhere at one time with all the sources and figures. I posted it to the JREF forum, but those things tended not to survive...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 17, 2013, 02:43:46 PM
QuoteForce is a tool. You can use it for good or evil
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 17, 2013, 02:53:26 PM
How is that a fail? I'd say the use of force to prevent a murder is force used for good. (Actually, I prefer to say it's "necessary.")
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 17, 2013, 03:07:01 PM
Wow. Just wow.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1010592_10152905890165471_786490898_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 17, 2013, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 17, 2013, 03:07:01 PM
Wow. Just wow.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1010592_10152905890165471_786490898_n.jpg)
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!  Aaand stupid fucking cunt is fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 17, 2013, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 17, 2013, 02:53:26 PM
How is that a fail? I'd say the use of force to prevent a murder is force used for good. (Actually, I prefer to say it's "necessary.")
Well, especially if he's talking about physical force like in F = ma.  Though he doubt that's what he means.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 17, 2013, 03:13:06 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 17, 2013, 03:07:01 PM
Wow. Just wow.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1010592_10152905890165471_786490898_n.jpg)

I don't want to say it.

I really don't want to say it.

Oh fuck it.

She is the definition of a cunt.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 17, 2013, 03:16:59 PM
Apperently he's looking for material related more to food health inspection.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 17, 2013, 03:31:22 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 17, 2013, 03:07:01 PM
Wow. Just wow.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1010592_10152905890165471_786490898_n.jpg)

She could be the next Valerie Solonas.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 17, 2013, 09:32:01 PM
Hailey needs to be taught logic (a la medieval muslim world) 101:

Milk, whether served to a boy or a girl, is fundamentally milk. It may not be optimal, it may not be perfect, but milk is still milk. As such, feeding a baby either cow or human milk should in principle make no difference. Therefore, the advice to not breastfeed boys is redundant, and stupid. It's also bossy and presumptuous, as she is dictating to people what choices to make on the matter. As it is God's prerogative to tell people how to behave (normally through messengers and the like), and it is sinful to presume (as per the Qur'an), she is in effect both sinful, and worse, claiming or at least attempting to assume the traits of divinity. As a result, She must be either thrown in Bedlam, or executed, should it be demonstrated that her opinion is out of vanity and megalomania, and not insanity.

congratulations, I've just proven that she deserves the death penalty, or a mental asylum. poor logic, at times immoral, I know, but hey, that's the kind of put-down I've read philosophers were doing when they wanted to fuck with people. figured I'd try it on such people.

I await my Nobel Prize.  :P


now to be serious:

[spoiler]she is depraved, and playing with people's lives. And she seriously doesn't know what she's talking about regarding circumcision: the boy will still have orgasms (less intense or not is beside the point), and will still be horny the same way the uncircumcised are. And why punish him for being a boy? what makes her think that a boy will grow up to be a rapist or a pig?

And another thing: if she hates men so much, why is she even thinking about pregnancy? no man in his right mind would want to bed her, unless his self-esteem is somewhere near absolute zero kelvin, or lower.

either way you slice it, I want no part of this. this is disgusting: if feminism is like this, then no sane person should take part.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on June 17, 2013, 11:39:29 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 17, 2013, 03:07:01 PM
Wow. Just wow.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1010592_10152905890165471_786490898_n.jpg)

I will bet any amount of money that if she has a son he grows up to be a serial killer.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 17, 2013, 11:47:24 PM
Quote(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1010592_10152905890165471_786490898_n.jpg)

And feminists wonder why "feminism" is considered a bad word. This. This is why.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 17, 2013, 11:48:52 PM
I know only my fellow bronies are going to care about this, but this is fail:

(http://derpicdn.net/media/W1siZiIsIjIwMTMvMDIvMDUvMDNfMjRfMDhfOTg1XzIzNDEzMV9fVU5PUFRfX3NhZmVfdGV4dF9tZXRhX2xhdXJlbl9mYXVzdF9mYXVzdGljb3JuX21lZ2hhbl9tY2NhcnRoeS5wbmcucG5nIl1d/234131__safe_text_meta_50f982c8a4c72de10300008f_lauren-faust_fausticorn_meghan-mccarthy.png)

Meghan McCarthy's quote is a quotemine. Here's the full context (http://family-room.ew.com/2013/01/29/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-exclusive-twilight-princess/):

Quote"Every little girl wants to be a princess, and not everybody can get to be a princess — but you can live up to the ideals that should come along with being a princess."

And guess which princess she had in mind when she made that statement. Princess Leia! (https://twitter.com/MMeghanMcCarthy/status/296647893337657344)

QuoteClarification: When I said "every girl wants to be a princess" I was thinking of the princess I wanted to be growing up: Princess Leia.

And just to show how bogus this quote mash-up is, Lauren Faust (https://twitter.com/Fyre_flye/status/299041339474055168) came to her defense:

Quote@DevinXXS @MMeghanMcCarthy I have no doubts that Meghan is doing her best to uphold the ideals brought to MLP. This quote mash up is unfair.

Moments like this make me ashamed to call myself a brony. Grown-flank men are going insane over changes made to a little girl's cartoon. It's one thing when they threaten to leave the franchise, but many have gone so far as to send Meghan death threats--squeeing death threats!--all because she made the main character, who's the personal apprentice to a princess, a princess herself! What in the name of Celestia's royal mane is wrong with these people? Why do fanboys have to react so violently to change?

I, for one, welcome our new alicorn overlord!

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7016669696/h54A14643/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 18, 2013, 08:03:27 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 17, 2013, 11:48:52 PM
And guess which princess she had in mind when she made that statement. Princess Leia! (https://twitter.com/MMeghanMcCarthy/status/296647893337657344)

Princess Leia was a sexist Damsel-In-Distress trope. That makes her a product of the mysogynistic patriarchy, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 18, 2013, 08:08:27 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 18, 2013, 08:03:27 AM
Princess Leia was a sexist Damsel-In-Distress trope. That makes her a product of the mysogynistic patriarchy, right?

I'm trying to remember, who's gun did she grab just after they got her out of her cell?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 18, 2013, 08:16:51 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on June 18, 2013, 08:08:27 AM
I'm trying to remember, who's gun did she grab just after they got her out of her cell?

No mansplaining!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 18, 2013, 10:13:15 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 17, 2013, 11:48:52 PM
...but many have gone so far as to send Meghan death threats--squeeing death threats!--all because she made the main character, who's the personal apprentice to a princess, a princess herself!

Seriously? O_o  All this over a little kid's show?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 18, 2013, 07:24:38 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 18, 2013, 08:03:27 AM
Princess Leia was a sexist Damsel-In-Distress trope. That makes her a product of the mysogynistic patriarchy, right?

that or lazy story-telling. Knowing Lucas, my money's on the latter.

@ Surhotchaperchlorome: meh, that's nothing: one guy got death threats (or at least public wishing of death by fiery car accident) for having an ironic poster of Highlander II: the Quickening.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 18, 2013, 07:57:37 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 18, 2013, 07:24:38 PMmeh, that's nothing: one guy got death threats (or at least public wishing of death by fiery car accident) for having an ironic poster of Highlander II: the Quickening.

Ah yes, Highlander II: The Sickening. I might make those threats just because he reminded me that that movie exists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 18, 2013, 08:09:00 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 18, 2013, 07:57:37 PM
Ah yes, Highlander II: The Sickening. I might make those threats just because he reminded me that that movie exists.
Reminds me of how much some people hate comic sans.  It's not the best font out there, but really, the flak it gets just seems misplaced imho.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 18, 2013, 08:51:14 PM
STOSSEL PLS!

STAHP!

QuotePeople now call me a "traitor to Libertarian ideals" and "disgusting" because I'm "not that worked up" (http://www.creators.com/opinion/john-stossel/terror-and-safety.html) about NSA spying.

Maybe I'm naive, but I don't totally dismiss the government's claim that data-mining is constitutional and may stop terrorism. This debate has two sides.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 18, 2013, 09:14:50 PM
Quote from: D on June 18, 2013, 08:51:14 PM
STOSSEL PLS!

STAHP!

Can somebody cite the relevent clause in cthe ocnsituttion that supports this? Stossel doesn't seem to really know what he's talking about as far as I can tell. Hello, does "secure in persons and papers" ring any bells?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 19, 2013, 08:20:39 AM
Quote from: tnu on June 18, 2013, 09:14:50 PM
Can somebody cite the relevent clause in cthe ocnsituttion that supports this? Stossel doesn't seem to really know what he's talking about as far as I can tell. Hello, does "secure in persons and papers" ring any bells?

I think the argument goes that since they don't actually do anything with the data without a warrant, only the metadata, that protection doesn't apply.

Of course. that falls down stupidly under any sort of rational examination, but that makes it perfectly good for the mainstream media.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 19, 2013, 03:55:44 PM
It seems like Stossel is hell bent on continuing the notion that the NSA stuff isn't bad.

Here's a pitiful attempt at handwaving (http://reason.com/archives/2013/06/19/governments-war) by basically saying "GEE GUYS THE WAR ON DRUGS IS WORSE!"

Stossel apparently forgot that just because something else is worse doesn't make the other thing somehow okay or less evil.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 19, 2013, 09:16:24 PM
Some time a go on fb (so long that i couldn't reasonably scroll all the way down to get the exact quote XD) a friend of mine by the name of pika-chan posted an article about a gay individual being beaten by another person who was irritated by his gayness. Pika is an AnCap but he is also critical of the nap and he states that in an NAP-society the other guy was justified in beating up the gay guy because annoying him is a violation of the NAP. This concludes my fail paraphrase. Have fun~
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 19, 2013, 09:24:28 PM
Well it didn't take long for some fail in the comments of Shane's latest video (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=anP42zvPPRQ):

Quote from: YOURINQUIRERGreat, first we have some liberals trying to make atheism synonymous with liberalism, now we got the libertarians trying to do the same thing.

Go to freethought blogs for how they see libertarianism parallel theism.

At the end of the day, rational thought and ideology generally do not mix.

Now here comes Shane to call me some names he'd never have the guts to say to my face (though the invitation's still open).

@bold: Oh man, we have ourselves an internet badass here!

(http://i41.tinypic.com/eh93t.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 19, 2013, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on June 19, 2013, 09:16:24 PM
Some time a go on fb (so long that i couldn't reasonably scroll all the way down to get the exact quote XD) a friend of mine by the name of pika-chan posted an article about a gay individual being beaten by another person who was irritated by his gayness. Pika is an AnCap but he is also critical of the nap and he states that in an NAP-society the other guy was justified in beating up the gay guy because annoying him is a violation of the NAP. This concludes my fail paraphrase. Have fun~

So your friend chris-chan..I mean pika-chan thinks just exists somehow violates someone's rights?  Yah...this guy is a nutbar.  That sounds like something a communist would say.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 19, 2013, 10:57:04 PM
So to for those no in the know, a bloke going by the name "Jesus Proof" has been commenting on Shane's video on atheism and libertarianism being negative philosophies.  He sent me a PM, which goes here:

"Subject:  design>chance
In recent years, scientists have been stunned to discover how life in the universe is astoundingly balanced on a razor's edge. The Big Bang was actually a highly ordered event that required an enormous amount of information, and from the moment of inception the universe was finely tuned to an incomprehensible precision for the existence of life.

Embedded within the laws of physics are roughly 30 numbers—including the masses of the elementary particles and the strengths of the fundamental forces—that must be specified to describe the universe as we know it. If these forces took on even slightly different strengths, the consequences for life would be devastating.

Fine-tuning is extremely evident in the initial conditions of the universe. Some of the initial conditions would include the expansion energy of the Big Bang, the overall amount of matter that was present, the ratio of matter to antimatter, the initial rate of the universe's expansion and the degree of its entropy. If any of these initial conditions were to change even slightly, we would end up with a sterile universe.

Nearly all scenarios lead to stillborn universes with no atoms, no chemistry, and no planets; or to universes too short-lived or too empty to allow anything to evolve beyond sterile uniformity.

Watch The Teleological Argument (What is really says)

Watch Refuting Weak Anthropic Principle Arguments

Watch God's Hand Was NOT Forced"—The idiot in question.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 19, 2013, 11:43:11 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 19, 2013, 10:57:04 PM
So to for those no in the know, a bloke going by the name "Jesus Proof" has been commenting on Shane's video on atheism and libertarianism being negative philosophies.  He sent me a PM, which goes here:

"Subject:  design>chance
In recent years, scientists have been stunned to discover how life in the universe is astoundingly balanced on a razor's edge. The Big Bang was actually a highly ordered event that required an enormous amount of information, and from the moment of inception the universe was finely tuned to an incomprehensible precision for the existence of life.

Embedded within the laws of physics are roughly 30 numbers—including the masses of the elementary particles and the strengths of the fundamental forces—that must be specified to describe the universe as we know it. If these forces took on even slightly different strengths, the consequences for life would be devastating.

Fine-tuning is extremely evident in the initial conditions of the universe. Some of the initial conditions would include the expansion energy of the Big Bang, the overall amount of matter that was present, the ratio of matter to antimatter, the initial rate of the universe's expansion and the degree of its entropy. If any of these initial conditions were to change even slightly, we would end up with a sterile universe.

Nearly all scenarios lead to stillborn universes with no atoms, no chemistry, and no planets; or to universes too short-lived or too empty to allow anything to evolve beyond sterile uniformity.

Watch The Teleological Argument (What is really says)

Watch Refuting Weak Anthropic Principle Arguments

Watch God's Hand Was NOT Forced"—The idiot in question.

I got one too :T
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 20, 2013, 08:24:23 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q71/s720x720/1010186_648608755167216_799187133_n.jpg)

Both the image and the guy circled in red are pure fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 20, 2013, 10:26:38 AM
Quote from: D on June 20, 2013, 08:24:23 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q71/s720x720/1010186_648608755167216_799187133_n.jpg)

Both the image and the guy circled in red are pure fail.
Pardon me while I vomit blood...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 20, 2013, 10:29:15 AM
Geraldo Rivera is scum. (https://twitter.com/GeraldoRivera/statuses/347466715887710209)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 20, 2013, 10:31:04 AM
Anti-vaxxer woo.

[yt]7QBcMYqlaDs[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on June 20, 2013, 11:25:20 AM
http://www.dorkly.com/article/52521/don-mattricks-first-draft-of-the-xbox-one-update-announcement
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 20, 2013, 02:00:57 PM
Quote from: D on June 20, 2013, 10:31:04 AM
Anti-vaxxer woo.

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Just from the title I can say.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 20, 2013, 04:03:42 PM
Man, this is just pure fail no matter how you look at it.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/993008_445531748875672_1542263746_n.jpg)

It's fail because of what the guy actually said and it's fail because it implies that just because one moron says something stupid an entire group of people MUST be racist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 20, 2013, 08:44:27 PM
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-fair-society/201108/what-s-the-matter-libertarianism

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 20, 2013, 09:18:16 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on June 20, 2013, 08:44:27 PM
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-fair-society/201108/what-s-the-matter-libertarianism

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmXYiJAWjLgRjvrKC1yU4NP6QSrGChiPdJhZH9v1Qi_Vy8qC4D)
Well, I just lost a TON of respect for Psychology Today...
That they would do an article on this at all reminds me of a bit from Tom Woods (NOT a fail): 

"[T]hat's why people believe in market economics: unlike the Rube Goldberg models of their counterparts in the profession, the things Austrian economists write and say actually have some connection to the real world.

People who believe in the market economy support a social order in which free individuals make voluntary contracts with each other, and no one can initiate physical force against anyone else. Is that vision so obviously unattractive that we have to refer its supporters for psychological evaluation?

We might instead wonder at the psychological condition of those who would denounce such a system: might they be motivated, for all their noble talk, by nothing but base envy of those with more material wealth than they, or by a pathological desire to dominate other people?"--end of this article:  https://mises.org/daily/3379
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 21, 2013, 02:14:30 PM
I smell a big bogon emitter here:

Shocking list of popular foods and drinks readily available in U.S. grocery stores that are BANNED in other countries because their chemicals are deemed 'dangerous' (http://http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2345564/Shocking-list-US-foods-BANNED-countries-containing-dangerous-chemicals.html)

OMFG! These foods contain scary-sounding chemicals that are common in other items! Everybody panic! Someone call the FDA! /s

And I thought anti-GMO hysteria was crazy. Something tells me these two are related.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 21, 2013, 02:56:13 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/307165_10150344019396275_461961911_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 21, 2013, 04:50:43 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 21, 2013, 02:56:13 PM
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1-our air is dirty as ever due to man-made emissions
2-funny, being a well-logger is more dangerous than ever (PS: I've finally found work!)
3-I work ~86 hours a week. (12 hours a day). and frankly, that's fine, because the pay is good.
4-which is drained like a tub.
5-wasn't begun by liberals, but by evangelists, classical liberals (not modern ones), etc. (if you define the start as being with the abolitionists).
6-that's a fundamental aspect of several philosophies and religions; liberals did not invent the idea of equal rights, even at the most basic level. e.g. the earliest equalization between men and women was in Ancient Egypt, where women could be pharaohs.
7-free speech was endorsed by several Chinese philosophers, many of whom would be classed as conservatives and libertarians today (roughly speaking).
8-there is no such thing. any legislation must discriminate, deliberately or otherwise.

etc, etc. basically, either liberals weren't responsible, or were, but it backfires.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 21, 2013, 06:46:54 PM
Unfortunately I have nothing visual to give you guys yet, but Edward Snowden is now officially being charged with espionage, and ABC put up a graphic of Edward Snowden that says "Facing Justice."

Fuck you ABC. Justice would be the NSA getting shut down completely and the rest of the government being tarred and feathered for defending them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 21, 2013, 07:04:19 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 21, 2013, 02:14:30 PM
I smell a big bogon emitter here:

Shocking list of popular foods and drinks readily available in U.S. grocery stores that are BANNED in other countries because their chemicals are deemed 'dangerous' (http://"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2345564/Shocking-list-US-foods-BANNED-countries-containing-dangerous-chemicals.html")

OMFG! These foods contain scary-sounding chemicals that are common in other items! Everybody panic! Someone call the FDA! /s

And I thought anti-GMO hysteria was crazy. Something tells me these two are related.

Your hyperlink doesn't work dude--try this:

[url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2345564/Shocking-list-US-foods-BANNED-countries-containing-dangerous-chemicals.html]Shocking list of popular foods and drinks readily available in U.S. grocery stores that are BANNED in other countries because their chemicals are deemed 'dangerous'[/url]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 21, 2013, 07:55:33 PM
This doesn't seem veyr new but I havn't seen mention fit here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama_Day
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 21, 2013, 11:28:01 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 21, 2013, 07:04:19 PM
Your hyperlink doesn't work dude--try this:

Sorry. Here's the fixed link:

Shocking list of popular foods and drinks readily available in U.S. grocery stores that are BANNED in other countries because their chemicals are deemed 'dangerous' (http://http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2345564/Shocking-list-US-foods-BANNED-countries-containing-dangerous-chemicals.html)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on June 22, 2013, 09:20:15 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 21, 2013, 11:28:01 PM
Sorry. Here's the fixed link:

Shocking list of popular foods and drinks readily available in U.S. grocery stores that are BANNED in other countries because their chemicals are deemed 'dangerous' (http://http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2345564/Shocking-list-US-foods-BANNED-countries-containing-dangerous-chemicals.html)

That one doesn't work either. Anyhoo... about it being akin the the anti-GMO mongering, test after test have shown GM foods to be safe; and much like global warming, it is one of the few cases where there is a scientific consensus on the issue. (There's an article on this subject in today's Scientific American, for those of you that have the WIN 8 news app) So, anyone who says otherwise is just making themselves look stupid.

As far as chemical additives, since there is no consensus, one could argue that some concern over the issue is legitimate. Of course, that's only to a degree. One must also bare in mind that many countries ban products not proven to be safe; as opposed to being proven unsafe (which is what the United States tries to do, at least when it's not banning things for purely political reasons)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 22, 2013, 10:05:38 PM
An idiot quote from liberal licious, the new fb page thats been bashing libertarians

QuoteSo I want to explain why I have been posting so much Libertarian stuff lately. Apparently a troll found my page and decided to share with others on his page. Since then they have been coming here on my page, carpet bombing every post with dickish comments and BS links. All the while they claim they are

1. Against aggression
2. For Freedom
3. For Personal Liberty

This weekend I have proven this false through constant attacks by hundreds of these "non-aggressive" folks, trying to squash my freedom and right to speak my mind as well as invading (non-stop) my personal liberty. I am in no way complaining because I have been bashing them all the while and it comes with the territory yet I want to point out that none of their false claims about Libertarians are true. They are like Nazi henchman that attack in swarms anyone that does not believe as they do, with the hopes of breaking them, Some have even said as much, about breaking or ravishing me. This is not a case of Godwin's law, their behavior is seriously Fascist and in no way reflects respect for anyone's freedom or liberty. They have also been taking screenshots of my page and comments and posting on their pages to mock our comments in private. There they also pick people out for attacks and targeting based on comments. What kind of people do this?

Anyway, I will continue fighting back but in case you see me ranting more than usual its because they are difficult to manage given their sinister tactics and it irks me.

Peace out folks and have a good evening. ~LL
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 23, 2013, 09:29:26 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on June 22, 2013, 10:05:38 PM...liberal licious...
/GROAN!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 23, 2013, 01:14:49 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 21, 2013, 02:56:13 PM
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Don't like libertarians?  Then give back all the wealth capitalism made it possible for you to generate you pillocks.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 23, 2013, 03:31:23 PM
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Every comment from Mathesonguy on in the above video's comments is a fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 23, 2013, 03:43:16 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 23, 2013, 03:31:23 PM
Every comment from Mathesonguy on in the above video's comments is a fail.

All I did was mention that private companies can (and do!) provide need-based discounts to low-income people who supply proof of income, such as pay stubs or bank records. And all he has done about this is lie and lie again, saying "So your quasi-government has the right to go thru my pay stubs, and bank records? That sounds alot like police state powers" and "Banks, and corporations will simply vounteer the required information for no good reason?" and "That would have to be a very large discount, to offset the price of giving your employees private info." He hasn't ONCE responded to what I actually said, and keeps ignoring me whenever I point out that companies and organizations in the real world do exactly this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 23, 2013, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 23, 2013, 03:31:23 PM
Every comment from Mathesonguy on in the above video's comments is a fail.

He also said "The "capitalist" shows up to a non-paying persons house, and provides them the service they were selling for free? All in hopes that they will gain a new customer, but with no assurance that they actually will start paying your "monthly fee"? That buisness model is an epic fail," completely ignoring Netflix and other companies that offer a trial period, any company that offers a money-back guarantee, and all the ones that give out free samples or send them through the mail.

And even after I pointed that out, he STILL said, "That's quite the charitable enterprise you'd have. I'm sure it would work great, and have more than enough resources to funtion effectively."

I really wonder how people like that manage to tie their shoes in the morning. Maybe they wear ones with Velcro.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 23, 2013, 04:14:56 PM
This is kinda old so it might already be on here but its new to me

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 23, 2013, 05:44:53 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 23, 2013, 03:47:56 PM
He also said "The "capitalist" shows up to a non-paying persons house, and provides them the service they were selling for free? All in hopes that they will gain a new customer, but with no assurance that they actually will start paying your "monthly fee"? That buisness model is an epic fail," completely ignoring Netflix and other companies that offer a trial period, any company that offers a money-back guarantee, and all the ones that give out free samples or send them through the mail.

And even after I pointed that out, he STILL said, "That's quite the charitable enterprise you'd have. I'm sure it would work great, and have more than enough resources to funtion effectively."

I really wonder how people like that manage to tie their shoes in the morning. Maybe they wear ones with Velcro.

Hey hey! I odn't know how to tie my shoes (I wear crocs) and i'm smarter then this asshole.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 23, 2013, 05:55:27 PM
Quote from: tnu on June 23, 2013, 05:44:53 PM
(I wear crocs)

I don't know if that's something you should admit in public.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 23, 2013, 08:41:03 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 23, 2013, 05:55:27 PM
I don't know if that's something you should admit in public.

OK, Arab here is clueless. what's a croc? all my searches give me pictures of Crocodiles.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 23, 2013, 09:11:50 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 23, 2013, 08:41:03 PM
OK, Arab here is clueless. what's a croc? all my searches give me pictures of Crocodiles.

Crocs are the ugliest shoes ever:

(http://ries.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8345194a469e20120a666f07d970c-320wi)

And they come in colors that are even MORE atrocious!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 23, 2013, 09:27:59 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 23, 2013, 09:11:50 PM
Crocs are the ugliest shoes ever:

(http://ries.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8345194a469e20120a666f07d970c-320wi)

And they come in colors that are even MORE atrocious!

they look like something the Bedouins might wear (if the color were less...gaudy). that or toddlers--maybe girls in their late teens. can't see any boy over the age of 4 wearing this.

yeah, I'm busting your balls tnu--couldn't resist. if that's what comfortable for you, then I don't see an issue. footwear is a tricky topic--more so than most people imagine. so if Crocs are good for you, wear them with pride.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 23, 2013, 11:39:24 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/b0054551fc8843364dee593a22380f17/tumblr_mntsnlu1131rk929lo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 24, 2013, 12:07:04 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 23, 2013, 11:39:24 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/b0054551fc8843364dee593a22380f17/tumblr_mntsnlu1131rk929lo1_1280.jpg)

Ya, pot meet kettle.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 24, 2013, 12:09:36 AM
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Everything said by Frances Fox Piven & Peter Jay

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 24, 2013, 09:09:24 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 23, 2013, 11:39:24 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/b0054551fc8843364dee593a22380f17/tumblr_mntsnlu1131rk929lo1_1280.jpg)
Translation:  "I know you are but what am I?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 24, 2013, 10:27:23 AM
No examples provided, guess we just have to take his word on that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 24, 2013, 10:32:44 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on June 24, 2013, 10:27:23 AM
No examples provided, guess we just have to take his word on that.

Yes, because statists are always so honest when they reiterate libertarian arguments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 24, 2013, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 23, 2013, 11:39:24 PM
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Quick Robin! Gothem needs us!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on June 24, 2013, 03:47:32 PM
It would have helped to take a picture of the ENTIRE board. You know, so we can actually make sense of what it is we're arguing with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 24, 2013, 03:49:37 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on June 24, 2013, 03:47:32 PM
It would have helped to take a picture of the ENTIRE board. You know, so we can actually make sense of what it is we're arguing with.

They did. :P  See the scrollbar at the bottom?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 24, 2013, 04:56:49 PM
QuoteAnarcho-capitalism: The preference for freedom & prosperity.
NAP: The delusion that you need a doctrine to get the above.
"Anarcho"-communism: The inane belief that involuntary collectivism is anarchy, while free associations are statist. Also that everypony is better off without a price mechanism.-AnCap Applejack

the part about the NAP being fail, the rest is fine.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on June 24, 2013, 04:59:05 PM
Quote from: tnu on June 23, 2013, 05:44:53 PM
Hey hey! I odn't know how to tie my shoes (I wear crocs) and i'm smarter then this asshole.

Buy a pair of loafers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 24, 2013, 05:20:45 PM
From our mssexysocialist

QuoteWhen the Austro-bots try to criticize libertarian socialism by throwing out the economic calculation problem, they may as well be throwing out the Mormon critique of original sin.
Because that applies about as much to libertarian socialism as the ECP does.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 24, 2013, 06:25:22 PM
samcherry in the comments of my Don't Like Guns? (http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/art/Don-t-Like-Guns-Bumper-Sticker-365664493) bumper sticker:


samcherry (http://comments.deviantart.com/1/365664493/3103066791): "The purpose of gun control is the protection of people from persons who have an intent to use a weapon. Sandy Hook Elem. must have had no affect on you, because that whole tragedy was the boost to have gun control."


Me: (http://comments.deviantart.com/1/365664493/3103338663) You mean the same incident where 20 elementary school students were killed at a gun-free zone, in a state with the strictest gun laws, and with legally-purchased and registered guns?


samcherry (http://comments.deviantart.com/1/365664493/3103495296): Stop saying things in such a fashion, because frankly its making me think less of you, and in a way it sounds like you're disrespecting the murdered children and adults. No offense.

Anyways, the gun that was used to murder those children wasn't a handgun, thats the point. I believe automatic weapons should be banned from public use. You people don't understand why the government wants stricter gun control: to prevent people from being killed. If you can't tolerate stricter rules on your little "hobby" (I'm calling it a hobby because all the reasons I can think of for using a deadly weapon is shooting them at a legal place, or self defense) to me thats selfish.


Me (http://comments.deviantart.com/1/365664493/3103579845): Sorry, hon, but gun control doesn't work. It would be nice if it did work, but it doesn't. So asking for it only makes you look naive.

Great Britain has a higher violent crime rate than we do, even though it has stricter gun laws. Switzerland, on the other hand, has the highest gun ownership rate per capita, and it has extremely low violent crime rates.


samcherry (http://comments.deviantart.com/1/365664493/3103592506) I'm naive!? I'm not, but know I know that you're rude. Way to go.

Europeans have different lifestyles and culture than we do. Its naive just to look at the crime rates and statistics of Europe instead of the South america, Asia, Africa, and Australia as well hon.


Me (http://comments.deviantart.com/1/365664493/3104579340): Yes, you are naive! If you honestly believe that politicians have our best interests in heart, then you are naive. If you sincerely believe that politicians want to pass gun control in order to decrease gun violence, then yes, you are naive. Something tells me you also believe them when they claim that the war on drugs prevents drug abuse, or the war on terror prevents terrorist attacks, or the war on poverty prevents poverty, all of which have been proven to be bunk. It would be nice to believe that more government intervention would make things better, but sometimes what you want to believe is not the same as what actually is. If you cannot tell the difference, then yes, you are naive. I'm sorry if pointing that out makes me "rude."

And yes, cross-country comparison are fallacious because not every country is the exact same, so comparing one to another is like comparing apples to oranges. This doesn't seem to stop libtards from trying to claim that countries such as Australia and Japan have less violent crime because they also have stricter gun control--even though Australia's neighbor New Zealand also has less violent crime WITHOUT the insane gun laws. Funny how that works out!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 24, 2013, 06:37:19 PM
from Ibet-bohm bawerk (i have a feeling its rodolfo)

QuoteNow I thought that atheists, being "rational" and "intelligent" "Brights" (Dennet's term) could not POSSIBLY give the pathetic "what caused God?" response to the cosmological argument-a response that betrays any sort of understanding of the argument as made by Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Leibniz, Craig, Feser, etc; a response that is equal to saying in response to evolution "why are there still monkeys?"-in effect, it is astoundingly stupid. I know this is off-topic, but really, it is hilarious that atheism is seen as the "rational" position today when they use drivel like this for arguments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 24, 2013, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on June 24, 2013, 06:37:19 PM
from Ibet-bohm bawerk (i have a feeling its rodolfo)

Just tooting my own horn here: [yt]AO3oFNsQnRw[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 25, 2013, 12:31:10 AM
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This comment by Stikibits

"You've lost it in your ignorance. Try to remain rational and stop being wantonly ignorant.
Well established science and research isn't wrong, of course.
Look up peer review."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 25, 2013, 01:16:52 AM
https://www.facebook.com/SLANCAP

The entire page above is just all fail

I mean...I just...science dammit to natural selection these people are stupid

also this

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/p480x480/996715_483999938357424_608410404_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on June 25, 2013, 02:33:31 AM
There does not seem to be enough actual content on the page to come to any specific conclusions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 25, 2013, 10:03:17 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on June 25, 2013, 01:16:52 AM
https://www.facebook.com/SLANCAP

The entire page above is just all fail

I mean...I just...science dammit to natural selection these people are stupid

also this

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/p480x480/996715_483999938357424_608410404_n.jpg)
"Social Darwinism"
Yet another pillock who doesn't know what that even means...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 25, 2013, 12:33:16 PM
Christ and this comes from the guy who wants to run as Governor of Florida as a Libertarian

QuoteI was asked this morning if, as governor, a GMO labeling bill reached my desk, would I sign it. This issue is occasionally divisive among those in the Libertarian Party. Some see this as a free-market issue. I do not. Here was my response and my reasoning for it:

"Obviously, I would have to scrutinize the exact language of the bill. But, assuming it was acceptable, I would sign it.

I believe that people have a right to know exactly what they are purchasing and consuming. GMO labeling gives people the opportunity to make informed choices. To misrepresent a product is fraud, and one of the proper roles of government is to protect individuals from fraud.

For example, if someone sells you a house, but fails to disclose that it is located above a known sinkhole, they have committed fraud. They have misrepresented the value and condition of the product. The same is true of rolling back the odometer on a used car, or selling a refurbished product as being "new."

By that logic, if someone sells you a tomato, but fails to disclose that it has been genetically modified to produce pesticides that you will be ingesting, they have also committed fraud."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 25, 2013, 12:37:58 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on June 25, 2013, 12:33:16 PM
Christ and this comes from the guy who wants to run as Governor of Florida as a Libertarian

oh richard dawkins thats heavy
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 25, 2013, 12:57:07 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on June 25, 2013, 12:33:16 PM
Christ and this comes from the guy who wants to run as Governor of Florida as a Libertarian
Condolences, FS. :(
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 25, 2013, 02:23:00 PM
/sigh
(http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/295/1/9/tytler_cycle_for_morons_by_mike_the_cat-d5iomn2.png)

Debunked by Stef beautifully.  Government does NOT get big "because people are hedonist/apathetic" towards it--last I checked, people are forced into it with any meaningful say--but because the nature of government is to grow.  Imbalance of incentives--there is vast incentive to grow government, but little, if any to shrink it.  Small government is small because it hasn't grown yet, it's like saying a baby or infant is short.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 25, 2013, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on June 25, 2013, 12:33:16 PM
Christ and this comes from the guy who wants to run as Governor of Florida as a Libertarian

Isn't the mere EXISTENCE of a GMO label misrepresentation?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 25, 2013, 06:57:36 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 25, 2013, 04:33:38 PM
Isn't the mere EXISTENCE of a GMO label misrepresentation?

Shane you should set him straight

https://www.facebook.com/WyllieForGovernor
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 26, 2013, 12:13:07 AM
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Every comment Mada7821 left on the above video is fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 26, 2013, 12:24:02 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on June 25, 2013, 12:33:16 PM
Christ and this comes from the guy who wants to run as Governor of Florida as a Libertarian

This guy wants to label GMOs? Then I guess we'll have to label EVERY SINGLE FOOD WE EAT! Every food that we have ever eaten has been genetically modified one way or another.

Sweet Celestia, and I've recently joined the Florida Libertarian Party. :(
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 26, 2013, 02:13:19 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 25, 2013, 12:31:10 AM
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This comment by Stikibits

"You've lost it in your ignorance. Try to remain rational and stop being wantonly ignorant.
Well established science and research isn't wrong, of course.
Look up peer review."

Could someone help me with this moron?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 26, 2013, 09:37:22 AM
"So if you "men's rights" guys really believe in your cause, you'll strap these on and take back what's yours."--end of number five in this article: http://www.cracked.com/article_20488_5-ridiculous-modern-fashions-with-badass-historical-origins.html

Gotta love all the flak people love throwing out at MRA people...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 26, 2013, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 26, 2013, 09:37:22 AM
"So if you "men's rights" guys really believe in your cause, you'll strap these on and take back what's yours."--end of number five in this article: http://www.cracked.com/article_20488_5-ridiculous-modern-fashions-with-badass-historical-origins.html

Gotta love all the flak people love throwing out at MRA people...

Make a deal with them: I'll wear them any time I have to stand up in a horse's saddle stirrups and fire a bow and arrow.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 26, 2013, 01:54:37 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 26, 2013, 09:37:22 AM
"So if you "men's rights" guys really believe in your cause, you'll strap these on and take back what's yours."--end of number five in this article: http://www.cracked.com/article_20488_5-ridiculous-modern-fashions-with-badass-historical-origins.html

Gotta love all the flak people love throwing out at MRA people...

The cuffs are an interesting one, although they completely missed why there are BUTTONS on them.  Those buttons come from French army coats, and were there to discourage using the coat cuffs to wipe your nose.  English clothing of the 19th century gives us the tailcoat, which had no buttons on the sleeves, which evolved just about exactly 200 years ago as a cooler alternative to the earlier knee-length all around coats during the warm temperatures of the Regency in England.  (Then, they stuck around when England went into a serious freeze-up in the middle of the 19th century.  Seriously, in 1850 London, England had a climate like Ottawa, Canada does now.  They also started out as informal, comfortable clothing, and are now the height of formal wear.  Ain't fashion wonderful stuff?)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 26, 2013, 04:30:58 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/s720x720/1045195_456937811068126_1899134381_n.png)

See these people?

Point at them and laugh.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 26, 2013, 04:36:36 PM
Oh just wait D: we will have large asteroids coming, gas fields exploding under our feet, the dinosaurs will arise and eat us all, Zod will make us kneel before him, and the maple syrup I bought with my paycheck will taste like lemons and turn blue...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 26, 2013, 04:38:23 PM
Quote from: D on June 26, 2013, 04:30:58 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/s720x720/1045195_456937811068126_1899134381_n.png)

See these people?

Point at them and laugh.

*points and laugh*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 26, 2013, 07:47:26 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on June 26, 2013, 04:38:23 PM
*points and laugh*
*Joins in with the pointing and laughing*

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/sigh; every comment by Christ apostle in the above video's comment section is a fail quote.  Btw, he seems to be the "Jesus Proof" dude from part one of your series.  I notice the two accounts are different.  Unless I'm mistaken in how Google/YouTube's account/naming system works, does that mean one is a sockpuppet of the other?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 26, 2013, 08:10:26 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 26, 2013, 07:47:26 PM
/sigh; every comment by Christ apostle in the above video's comment section is a fail quote.  Btw, he seems to be the "Jesus Proof" dude from part one of your series.  I notice the two accounts are different.  Unless I'm mistaken in how Google/YouTube's account/naming system works, does that mean one is a sockpuppet of the other?

Unless he changed his name in the system, yes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 26, 2013, 08:52:32 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 26, 2013, 08:10:26 PM
Unless he changed his name in the system, yes.

I checked it and it looks like two separate user accounts or something.
Christ apostle:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5qLylgF_ZiYZjQliHx-3NQ
Jesus Proof: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk42NbzZzKkTBkX6jhUyAIg

I'm not familiar with how YouTube names with accounts anymore.  What do you think?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on June 26, 2013, 10:50:31 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 26, 2013, 08:10:26 PM
Unless he changed his name in the system, yes.

Well, in theory, unless he established one or both of these names as a "recognized trademark" (what ever that is), any thing new he publishes would be under his legal name as per google/youtube TOS.

I had the "Dallen68" on youtube for years, but because I hadn't established a "recognized presence", google/youtube now makes me comment/publish in my legal name.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 27, 2013, 01:41:15 AM
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Of, course the comments are disabled.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 27, 2013, 01:56:32 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 27, 2013, 01:41:15 AM
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Of, course the comments are disabled.

And ratings.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 27, 2013, 08:22:03 AM
More Libertarian GMO fail *sigh*

QuoteI believe that food producers who do not currently identify GMOs in their product are already committing fraud, as I explained above. One of the problems with GMOs is that it is a hidden defect, and one that cannot be discerned by the consumer. I know of no one who has the capability of genetically testing every item in their grocery cart. Therefore, without labeling, there is no realistic way to know whether the products one purchases are natural or genetically engineered. If the ingredients simply say "corn" or "tomatoes," there's no way to know.

https://www.facebook.com/awyllie/posts/10200597035463165?comment_id=5452042&offset=0&total_comments=16
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 27, 2013, 12:05:03 PM
(http://truth-out.org/media/k2/items/src/a3bb65de4c398c481cda95251633ccef.jpg)

*facehoof* Sweet Celestia, this is painful!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 27, 2013, 01:55:29 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 27, 2013, 02:11:23 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 27, 2013, 12:05:03 PM
(http://truth-out.org/media/k2/items/src/a3bb65de4c398c481cda95251633ccef.jpg)

*facehoof* Sweet Celestia, this is painful!
You ain't kiddin' bro!  I don't even know where to begin with that abomination.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 27, 2013, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 26, 2013, 11:19:46 AM
Make a deal with them: I'll wear them any time I have to stand up in a horse's saddle stirrups and fire a bow and arrow.
Or even better if they promise to shoot at/throw Molotov cocktails at armed soldiers and policemen and other government agents and clergy (especially fundamentalist Muslim) and rap artists.  Or advocate that slavery..I mean the draft apply to women too.  Last I checked, gov't, religion and hip hop culture is VASTLY more anti-woman than anything an MRA has ever produced, yet they either cuddle up with or ignore those three.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 27, 2013, 02:57:36 PM
won't happen--nice as it would be.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 27, 2013, 03:21:22 PM
Yeah.

This one, however, is a fail:
(http://i.qkme.me/3q0a8p.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 27, 2013, 04:04:49 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 27, 2013, 03:21:22 PM
(http://i.qkme.me/3q0a8p.jpg)

And yet these same people who oppose capitalism and corporations probably created this meme using a computer made by a corporation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 27, 2013, 04:25:10 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 27, 2013, 04:04:49 PM
And yet these same people who oppose capitalism and corporations probably created this meme using a computer made by a corporation.

First of all the money is FORCIBLY seized from me. There aren't many options because government crowds out any competitors and the existing ones are too expensive as a result. This is also similar to saying a slave is a hypocrite for taking the food of his master. News flash jackasses the slave is just trying to make the best of a bad situation. And why try to get a little back of what was stolen from you eh?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 27, 2013, 05:13:37 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 27, 2013, 02:11:23 PM
You ain't kiddin' bro!  I don't even know where to begin with that abomination.

I managed:

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1044692_632389460104819_1080115783_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 27, 2013, 05:49:59 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 27, 2013, 05:13:37 PM
I managed:

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1044692_632389460104819_1080115783_n.jpg)
Not only that but it also, as usual makes the mistake (deliberate or otherwise) of calling the free market some kind of 'being'.  It's a matrix of voluntary exchange--it's us!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 27, 2013, 06:04:34 PM
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/sigh;  Every comment by that idiot Mada7821 on the video's comment section is a fail quote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 27, 2013, 06:18:11 PM
well, risking their lives possibly getting roasted in order to make money for the family, beats the living hell out of having them either shit themselves to death making a living off the river, or having their limbs blacken and fall off from making a living off their wells. That's all I have to say on Bengladesh.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 27, 2013, 09:24:29 PM
Oh my achy head

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/sweden-left-party-toilet-stand_n_1590572.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 27, 2013, 09:33:55 PM
BigLundi's comments in Part 2 is pretty hefty fail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RyrmlyjpPA
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 27, 2013, 09:35:54 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 27, 2013, 09:33:55 PM
BigLundi's comments in Part 2 is pretty hefty fail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RyrmlyjpPA
Shit you beat me to it! :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 27, 2013, 09:38:38 PM
When I cofronted SpamSpamNEggs about his apprent argument that "Theft is a fact, theft will happen, therefore institutionalize it." by asking if we should extend that by institutionalizing rape he siad this.



Yes, and we have. It's called marriage. Any more questions?


Now i don't have any love for the institution either but even I realize how absoltuely fucking INSANE this is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 27, 2013, 09:45:26 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 27, 2013, 09:33:55 PM
BigLundi's comments in Part 2 is pretty hefty fail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RyrmlyjpPA
btw, did you get the private message I sent you on this forum?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 27, 2013, 09:47:15 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 27, 2013, 09:45:26 PM
btw, did you get the private message I sent you on this forum?

Yeah, I sent you a reply.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 27, 2013, 09:53:43 PM
I just realized soemthing even WORSE about what SpamSpamNEggs said. Not only is he claiming that marriage is institutionalized rape which is plainly idiotic to put it nicely but he's also supporting it under that very premise.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 27, 2013, 10:14:40 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 27, 2013, 09:47:15 PM
Yeah, I sent you a reply.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 27, 2013, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: tnu on June 27, 2013, 09:53:43 PM
I just realized soemthing even WORSE about what SpamSpamNEggs said. Not only is he claiming that marriage is institutionalized rape which is plainly idiotic to put it nicely but he's also supporting it under that very premise.
As the "Taylor Swift" in Bartbaker's video parody of her song 22 said: "BECAUSE I'M A PSYCHOPATH!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 28, 2013, 12:40:11 AM
/sigh
From the comments of this:  http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/DOMA-Struck-Down-381173465?offset=10#comments

alphazion: "To be honest? The whole thing strikes me as a non-issue. :shrug: But leave it to Capitol Hill to turn everything into a culture war, if it's not abortion, guns, schools, drugs, etc. etc. etc."   
     BlameThe1st: "Gotta distract the public from the real issues!"
          alphazion: "Economy? Who cares about that nerd bullcrap. Let's let Hollywood celebrities talk politics! GENIUS!"

So because there are other things worse and of more immediate concern, it's a non issue? By that logic, I guess if his family is murdered, since there are 2 million people dead every year from Mosquitoes, his family's death is a non issue, right?  Same logic.  Just like that "First world problems" bollocks.  Exact same logic and fail for the same reason.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 28, 2013, 10:25:16 AM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/q71/946205_10151677082225155_690123772_n.jpg)

The comments section...IT BURNS! (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151677082225155&set=a.496176595154.294030.8798180154&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf)

Hell, the image is partly fail too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 28, 2013, 11:53:38 AM
"Ron Paul is a fake Libertaranian! He may actually be using libertarianism as a cloak for white supremacy!"--Tony Montana in comments of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RyrmlyjpPA
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 28, 2013, 12:46:34 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 28, 2013, 11:53:38 AM
"Ron Paul is a fake Libertaranian! He may actually be using libertarianism as a cloak for white supremacy!"--Tony Montana in comments of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RyrmlyjpPA

For the record, Tony Montana is also a creationist and a moon hoaxer, so that's how seriously you should take him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 28, 2013, 05:20:14 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 28, 2013, 05:50:02 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 28, 2013, 05:20:14 PM
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This guy again? You should see some of his other videos they have ratings disabled, comments disabled, comment pending approval, comment thumbs up/ down disabled, or combos of all four. Shows how much of spine this guy has, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 28, 2013, 06:25:28 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 28, 2013, 05:20:14 PM
[yt]qkKyMfMCoYk[/yt]
Oh gods...that dsglop pillock?  Yeah, that it's from him was all I needed to know.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 28, 2013, 08:14:02 PM
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Just from the title and description you know this is going to be an epic fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 28, 2013, 09:15:23 PM
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The fact that this story made the fucking news is fail enough, but Mike from North Haven proves that you can manage to be an even bigger asshole than someone who waves a Nazi flag.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 28, 2013, 09:42:07 PM
Quote from: D on June 28, 2013, 09:15:23 PMThe fact that this story made the fucking news is fail enough, but Mike from North Haven proves that you can manage to be an even bigger asshole than someone who waves a Nazi flag.

Sure, take the guy protesting the fascist actions of our government and throw him in jail for engaging in free expression. That'll show 'im!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 28, 2013, 09:52:01 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 28, 2013, 09:42:07 PM
Sure, take the guy protesting the fascist actions of our government and throw him in jail for engaging in free expression. That'll show 'im!

Well, you know, this country has too much respect for people's rights according to this slack jawed knuckle dragger.

Remember what I said about Connecticut loving its government? Yeah, this is kind of what I meant...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 28, 2013, 09:59:11 PM
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Fail for the reasons Shane mentioned in the other thread (NOT a fail):
"Sorry, got 3 minutes in and had to cut it off because of the onslaught of IncrediFail.

Do you guys REALLY not get the point behind the Zeus analogy? 'They would be reflected by their interactions with us.' And YHVH wouldn't? Or did he all of a sudden just decide to start behaving differently after the Bible was compiled? And if he did, why couldn't Zeus have thus changed his mind as well?

Do you really not get that we don't see any difference between Zeus and YHVH? Two ancient, primitive gods who behave in ways we don't see the universe acting like?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 28, 2013, 11:46:24 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 25, 2013, 12:31:10 AM
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This comment by Stikibits

"You've lost it in your ignorance. Try to remain rational and stop being wantonly ignorant.
Well established science and research isn't wrong, of course.
Look up peer review."

So now according to Stikibits you can ignore data from the FBI because they don't do "science" and the US is sorely responsible for the drug war.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 29, 2013, 12:08:03 AM
From the comments of the following video (the vid itself is win):
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Fail in red, win in blue:

PatriotX1022:  "Typical stereotypical charicature of conservatives. What a joke!!!"

rehwr:  "Typical stereotypical charicature of conservatives. What a joke!!!"

PatriotX1022:  "Name one"

rehwr:  "Saying that libertarians support the income tax, saying libertarians care more about expression than our terrible education system when Stossel has done hours of reporting on it, and saying that the Constitution gives the government the power to police drugs and prostitution. "

PatriotX1022 (the biggest fail):  "And all of what you mentioned is the flat out truth. Alot of liberals are always trying to find reasons raise taxes just like this ridiculous socialized health care disaster, called "Obamacare". Now, since the mandate can't really be enforced (you know that old pesky constitituion thing) we'll just be taxed more for not accepting the coverage. " (emphasis added by me)

AnCapDave:  "You don't know what "libertarians" are do you?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 29, 2013, 10:21:38 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 29, 2013, 02:18:05 PM
The most recent incredifail by the Pope of Atheism+ PZ Myers: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/06/29/my-remarks-at-ewts2013/

It's very hard to take him seriously when he claims that "all values are personal and subjective" when he later claims that "values have empirical consequences." So, wait, if values have "empirical consequences," then does that mean that they are not "personal and subjective" as he claims but "universal and objective"? This is why I never take moral subjectivists/relativists seriously: they claim that morals are subjective and relative--except theirs, which are obviously "objective" and "empirical." His support of "social justice" proves this.

It's also very hard to take him seriously when he rails against "authoritarianism" and "hierarchy" and "privilege" when he, quite clearly being a statist, or rather, a "statheist," supports the very institution, the state, that imposes "authoritarianism" and "hierarchy" and "privilege."

But of course, he believes that the government is not evil because the "government is us," and that government is only evil when we elect "evil people" into office--so the obvious solution is to elect "good people" into office. I'm still waiting for this benevolent government to show up. Maybe if we just have enough faith in government it will happen.

And then we have this epic piece of incredifail:

QuoteIn short, one significant effect of secularism is that it means we have the freedom to make choices, and more: if we care about the success of individuals and of our society, it means we have an obligation to make choices that benefit humanity, all of humanity, and not just the privileged few.

Translation: you have the freedom to make choices--just as long as its choices that WE approve of and WE feel "benefit humanity." Any other choice is "greedy" and "selfish."

Funny thing, if he truly believed in an economic system that benefited all of humanity rather than a select privileged few, he would support free-market capitalism, which has been empirically shown to benefit the most people.

But, of course, being the socialist that he is, he probably believes the opposite is true: that capitalism is exploitive and socialism is liberating, even though there has never been a historical example of their "socialist utopia." And no, European countries, especially the Nordic counties, do not count, as they are mixed economies rather than socialist economies, and most of them have rolled back their socialist policies for laissez-faire liberalized market policies.

And yet PZ Myers wish for us to make the same mistakes that the Europeans are right now correcting. Sigh. Who are the real dogmatists here?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 29, 2013, 03:08:30 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 29, 2013, 02:18:05 PM
The most recent incredifail by the Pope of Atheism+ PZ Myers: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/06/29/my-remarks-at-ewts2013/

It's very hard to take him seriously when he claims that "all values are personal and subjective" when he later claims that "values have empirical consequences." So, wait, if values have "empirical consequences," then does that mean that they are not "personal and subjective" as he claims but "universal and objective"? This is why I never take moral subjectivists/relativists seriously: they claim that morals are subjective and relative--except theirs, which are obviously "objective" and "empirical." His support of "social justice" proves this.

It's also very hard to take him seriously when he rails against "authoritarianism" and "hierarchy" and "privilege" when he, quite clearly being a statist, or rather, a "statheist," supports the very institution, the state, that imposes "authoritarianism" and "hierarchy" and "privilege."

But of course, he believes that the government is not evil because the "government is us," and that government is only evil when we elect "evil people" into office--so the obvious solution is to elect "good people" into office. I'm still waiting for this benevolent government to show up. Maybe if we just have enough faith in government it will happen.

And then we have this epic piece of incredifail:

Translation: you have the freedom to make choices--just as long as its choices that WE approve of and WE feel "benefit humanity." Any other choice is "greedy" and "selfish."

Funny thing, if he truly believed in an economic system that benefited all of humanity rather than a select privileged few, he would support free-market capitalism, which has been empirically shown to benefit the most people.

But, of course, being the socialist that he is, he probably believes the opposite is true: that capitalism is exploitive and socialism is liberating, even though there has never been a historical example of their "socialist utopia." And no, European countries, especially the Nordic counties, do not count, as they are mixed economies rather than socialist economies, and most of them have rolled back their socialist policies for laissez-faire liberalized market policies.

And yet PZ Myers wish for us to make the same mistakes that the Europeans are right now correcting. Sigh. Who are the real dogmatists here?

Damn it PZ!  You used to be cool!  What the fuck happened you to man?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 29, 2013, 03:38:58 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 29, 2013, 03:08:30 PM
Damn it PZ!  You used to be cool!  What the fuck happened you to man?

Atheism+, that's what!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 29, 2013, 04:56:10 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 29, 2013, 06:26:14 PM
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I nominated the bitch for Idiot Extraordinaire, but fuck it, she belongs in Fail Quotes too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 29, 2013, 08:05:53 PM
Quote from: D on June 29, 2013, 10:21:38 AM
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Sad part is I usually like this guy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 29, 2013, 11:20:40 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1c49574792b88c23eb2c84bf2291e6b0/tumblr_mp627i71i81rvbvh5o1_1280.jpg)

I think my brain just melted from the incredifail!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 29, 2013, 11:41:44 PM
From a Tumblr post called Everything Wrong with Libertarianism Summed Up Conveniently in One Person (http://pmullen43.tumblr.com/post/53866623416/everything-wrong-with-libertarianism-summed-up):

QuoteEdward Snowden. He's the man who recently leaked the information about the NSA listening in on American citizens' phone calls. He did so, he says, in defense of the Constitution; he believes that what the NSA was doing is illegal, and he sees himself as a sort of whistleblower for the federal government.

As expected, the government wasn't as understanding. He's been condemned largely by both democrats and republicans, though he has been praised by some. Republican senator with libertarian sensibilities, Rand Paul of Kentucky, reportedly agrees with Snowden's decision. No surprise there, either.

Snowden's dodging of the American justice system has shown the true hypocrisy of libertarianism. They're all for defending the Constitution until they can benefit from the opposite. If Snowden is trying to defend the Constitution, there's no denying that he should be adhering to the legal system that the same document created. Even if he wanted to argue that a charge of espionage by the federal government is virtually impossible to win, there is precedent to say otherwise; the Pentagon Papers actually proves to be a great comparison.

Snowden, in his libertarian logic, has sought refuge within nations that are by no means breeding grounds for liberty. He's been in Communist China and he's been in discussion with Communist Cuba as well as Russia, seeking asylum from an American justice system that has every right to charge him for espionage.

The childish libertarian philosophy extends beyond Snowden, however. I am still amazed that at this day and age libertarian economics exists. Are we truly to believe that if libertarians are okay with Snowden avoiding justice, that they'd be okay with their own "screw the poor" attitude if they were any less fortunate? This may sound somewhat trivial but I argue that it is not; libertarianism has far too many holes in it to be a growing political movement.

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/066/0/e/apple_bloom_headdesk_by_grumbeerkopp-d4s0thp.png)

Right! Because if Snowden really cared about the Constitution, he would submit to the very same government THAT'S SQUEEING SUVERTING IT!

By the sweet delectable flank of Celestia is this stupid! Is it really possible that this manhabits the same world that I do? Because that doesn't seem to be the case!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 29, 2013, 11:46:55 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 29, 2013, 11:20:40 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1c49574792b88c23eb2c84bf2291e6b0/tumblr_mp627i71i81rvbvh5o1_1280.jpg)

I think my brain just melted from the incredifail!
Despite the fact that corporations are, by definition, a legal entity with gov't granted privileges...oops.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 29, 2013, 11:48:04 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 29, 2013, 11:41:44 PM
From a Tumblr post called Everything Wrong with Libertarianism Summed Up Conveniently in One Person (http://pmullen43.tumblr.com/post/53866623416/everything-wrong-with-libertarianism-summed-up):

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/066/0/e/apple_bloom_headdesk_by_grumbeerkopp-d4s0thp.png)

Right! Because if Snowden really cared about the Constitution, he would submit to the very same government THAT'S SQUEEING SUVERTING IT!

By the sweet delectable flank of Celestia is this stupid! Is it really possible that this manhabits the same world that I do? Because that doesn't seem to be the case!
I believe the best response I have to that is summed up in that image showing Julian Assange, Bradley Manning, and Edward Snowden captioned with: "If gov't is doing nothing wrong, it has nothing to fear"  Simple, no?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 29, 2013, 11:53:15 PM
From Escaping the Friendzone: The story of a former right-wing MRA (http://groupthink.jezebel.com/escaping-the-friendzone-the-story-of-a-former-right-wi-560680036):

QuoteIf I am to accept libertarian ideology as legitimate, then logic dictates that I believe that women, people of color, etc., make less money than white men for the same jobs because there is something inherently lesser about them. This is, quite obviously, bullshit, and abhorrently so. As I'm not a monstrous human, even my feeble libertarian ego saw that it was bullshit and that was the end of libertarianism for all intents and purposes.

Sigh. When is the gender wage gap myth going to die already? It's high time somebody killed it with fire!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 29, 2013, 11:58:38 PM
Does KenBrasai (http://kenbrasai.tumblr.com/post/53774258556/libertarians-complain-about-the-government) even know what the SQUEE libertarians are?

Quote"Libertarians complain about the government disregarding the individual for the state. And then complain about abortions as "women who don't respect the greater good", and LGBT citizens who want equality as "not caring about the common will of the people". Fucking hypocrites, that's what they are."

Apparently not!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 30, 2013, 12:06:08 AM
This is the kind of bogons you find when you search for libertarianism on Tumblr!

From a post called Libertarianism is BS (http://thebadgerman619.tumblr.com/post/53705801515/libertarianism-is-bs):

QuoteLibertarians are, essentially, anarchists without the chutzpah to make a Molotov cocktail and lob it at a police car. Comprised almost exclusively of rich, white men, or upper-middle class, white, college students who smoke too much pot, it is a political philosophy inasmuch as hedonism is a moral philosophy. This comparison is not altogether tangential, as Libertarians like to espouse the doctrine of "free and unfettered market capitalism," which is a sort of hedonism in and of itself.

The entire philosophy of Libertarianism is, in fact, a sham, and little more than prolefeed disguised as a legitimate political belief. Now, of course, this is a blanket statement, and should be taken as such, but certainly, we can make SOME generalizations if Libertarianism is half the philosophy it claims to be, since it must, therefore, have SOME tenets that are universally held.

Libertarianism (Christ, I am already tired of the length of this word) is the belief in deregulation. While some are economic libertarians, and think that only the Almighty Dollar should rule over the market, others are social libertarians, who think that the government ought to fuck off and let me do huge bonghits, bro. And then, of course, you have Objectivists who, in between fantasizing about sliding their tongues in the space between her incisors, believe that the pursuit of one's own happiness is the utmost in moral obligation.

You know, something as "intellectually-stimulating" as that deserves an equally "intellectually-stimulating" response:

[yt]NZN1HowUV5Q[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 30, 2013, 12:19:16 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/a8eb5651b3a6bfad3ee0e4e715612136/tumblr_mortktQE871r35q8fo1_1280.jpg)

Apparently this guy has never heard of the Libertarian Party.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 30, 2013, 12:31:27 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 30, 2013, 12:19:16 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/a8eb5651b3a6bfad3ee0e4e715612136/tumblr_mortktQE871r35q8fo1_1280.jpg)

Apparently this guy has never heard of the Libertarian Party.
And is unaware of how many republicans love parroting libertarian rhetoric while expanding gov't faster than the dems!  As Harry Browne said: Republicans campaign like libertarians but rule like democrats.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 30, 2013, 08:26:17 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 29, 2013, 11:41:44 PMIf Snowden is trying to defend the Constitution, there's no denying that he should be adhering to the legal system that the same document created.

Fair enough: now show us which one that is. It certainly isn't the US, which has indefinitely detained its own citizens without trial or even charge!

Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 29, 2013, 11:53:15 PM
Sigh. When is the gender wage gap myth going to die already? It's high time somebody killed it with fire!

I tried.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 30, 2013, 05:34:45 PM
(http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/e6b/359/7d4/resized/gomez-addams-meme-generator-when-logic-fails-blame-obama-e91738.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 30, 2013, 05:54:50 PM
Quote from: D on June 30, 2013, 05:34:45 PM
(http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/e6b/359/7d4/resized/gomez-addams-meme-generator-when-logic-fails-blame-obama-e91738.jpg)

So when his policies fail blame someone other than Obama? I get it
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 30, 2013, 07:01:06 PM
Quote from: D on June 30, 2013, 05:34:45 PM
(http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/e6b/359/7d4/resized/gomez-addams-meme-generator-when-logic-fails-blame-obama-e91738.jpg)

The fail of the quote aside, what does Gomez Addams have to do with it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 30, 2013, 07:04:36 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 30, 2013, 07:01:06 PM
The fail of the quote aside, what does Gomez Addams have to do with it?

Just another shitty internet meme with no real substance.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 01, 2013, 08:32:11 AM
And he's at it again:

[yt]t0OgOxvvptU[/yt]

His first lie is only 26 seconds in.

He also says the link to this graphic is broken (yeah, right):

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5344/9036228381_94a5c5618b_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/9036228381/)
Somalia (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanedk/9036228381/) by shane_d_k (http://www.flickr.com/people/shanedk/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 01, 2013, 09:38:57 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 01, 2013, 08:32:11 AM
And he's at it again:

[yt]t0OgOxvvptU[/yt]

Before even watching the video, he fails for that awful pun.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 01, 2013, 10:01:46 AM
what's his beef with you exactly? I know of several videos from this guy a friend of mine mentioned, where he accused you of some shit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 01, 2013, 10:05:17 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 01, 2013, 10:01:46 AM
what's his beef with you exactly? I know of several videos from this guy a friend of mine mentioned, where he accused you of some shit.

Really? This is the first I've heard of him. But then, this is the first he's actually posted them as a video response so they wouldn't have come to my attention.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 01, 2013, 10:10:28 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 01, 2013, 10:05:17 AM
Really? This is the first I've heard of him. But then, this is the first he's actually posted them as a video response so they wouldn't have come to my attention.

:shrug:

that's what I remember. I could always be mistaken.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 01, 2013, 01:52:56 PM
[yt]QLeL8TKKHac[/yt]

Both Chris Kluwe  (http://www.salon.com/2013/06/23/chris_kluwe_heres_whats_wrong_with_ayn_rand_libertarians/) and The Young Turks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLeL8TKKHac) need to take their own advice and get a Kluwe!

Here are the top comments to this video, both of which are epic fail:

QuoteOsiris Malkovich: Libertarianism: I've got mine, so fuck you.

Because expecting others to respect my rights and dignity as a human being is SO selfish, amirite?!

Statism: You have yours? Give it to me!

QuoteElohimPenemue: Yeah I mean we don't have that in America..

I'm so glad our Bankers aren't Libertarians..

Because they're a generous group of guys aren't they..

Considering how the big banks received bailouts, no, they're not. They're crony capitalists.

When you have a government big enough to intervene in the marketplace, you inevitably attract corporate lobbyists seeking to leech off of it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 01, 2013, 05:09:31 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 01, 2013, 01:52:56 PMThey're crony capitalists.

Whenever I see that particular phrase, this gif perfectly represents my reaction...
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2i9tt15.jpg)

Seriously, that phrase is groan inducing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 01, 2013, 05:12:38 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 01, 2013, 08:32:11 AM
And he's at it again:

[yt]t0OgOxvvptU[/yt]

And now he's blocked me from his channel. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on July 01, 2013, 05:34:06 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 01, 2013, 05:12:38 PM
And now he's blocked me from his channel. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

wanna take screenshot?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 01, 2013, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on July 01, 2013, 05:34:06 PM
wanna take screenshot?

Attached.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on July 01, 2013, 06:36:05 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 01, 2013, 06:30:21 PM
Attached.

What a fucking Coward.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on July 01, 2013, 06:40:48 PM
Quote from: D on July 01, 2013, 05:09:31 PM
Whenever I see that particular phrase, this gif perfectly represents my reaction...
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2i9tt15.jpg)

Seriously, that phrase is groan inducing.

How about Mercantilists?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 01, 2013, 06:45:38 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on July 01, 2013, 06:40:48 PM
How about Mercantilists?

Haven't run into that one as much, so it doesn't bother me anywhere near as much.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 03, 2013, 10:16:20 AM
This is just the worst kind of statism: Reno News & Review - Top 10 worst Supreme Court decisions (http://www.newsreview.com/reno/top-10-worst-supreme-court/content?oid=5378990)

I agree with their #1, the Dred Scott decision. But the only other bad decisions in their list are Plessy and Schneck. Appearing NOWHERE on the list were Korematsu v. United States, which upheld the internment of Japanese-Americans in World War II, Kelo v. New London, which upheld the taking of people's homes to give to a big corporation without just compensartion, or any of the others we've talked about.

So, what do they say is worse than racial internment camps or taking of property without just compensation? Well:
This is how statism poisons the mind, folks.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 03, 2013, 11:39:43 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002292_615086218510154_797373507_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 03, 2013, 11:42:25 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on July 03, 2013, 11:39:43 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002292_615086218510154_797373507_n.jpg)
Pardon me while I vomit blood.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 04, 2013, 12:17:44 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on July 03, 2013, 11:39:43 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002292_615086218510154_797373507_n.jpg)

And he would pay gladly for all this... if he hadn't had to give it all away in taxes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on July 04, 2013, 12:59:00 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 03, 2013, 11:42:25 PM
Pardon me while I vomit blood.

Pardon me while I go wash out my eyes with a cheese grater
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 04, 2013, 12:56:19 PM
[yt]TV4U_FDUI6M[/yt]

Any comment by KainL33!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 04, 2013, 02:54:46 PM
[yt]xfJuJrqFhXM[/yt]

Happy Fourth, everypony! Hope your ears stop bleeding from this! :D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on July 04, 2013, 03:08:02 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 04, 2013, 02:54:46 PM
[yt]xfJuJrqFhXM[/yt]

Happy Fourth, everypony! Hope your ears stop bleeding from this! :D

MY EARS!!! THEY BURNS US!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 04, 2013, 03:58:03 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on July 04, 2013, 03:08:02 PM
MY EARS!!! THEY BURNS US!!!
I WATCHED IT! OH GODS WHY DID I WATCH THAT!?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on July 04, 2013, 06:54:34 PM
Courtesy of my dad

QuoteThankful to live in a country founded on the principle of freedom. Thankful for the bravery of our military who established this great country, and defended it for over 2 centuries. Thankful for the wisdom of our founding fathers who established our constitution with checks and balances to prevent tyrant. Sure we may not like certain government officials, but they have term limits.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 04, 2013, 07:35:18 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 04, 2013, 02:54:46 PM
[yt]xfJuJrqFhXM[/yt]

Happy Fourth, everypony! Hope your ears stop bleeding from this! :D

This is the second most disgusting piece of brainwashing indoctrination bullshit I've ever seen.

The worst?
[yt]XeQUlr4Xc3s[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 04, 2013, 07:45:39 PM
Quote from: D on July 04, 2013, 07:35:18 PM
This is the second most disgusting piece of brainwashing indoctrination bullshit I've ever seen.

The worst?
[yt]XeQUlr4Xc3s[/yt]
/shudders!
Oh gods.  That horrible abomination.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 04, 2013, 09:14:23 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on July 03, 2013, 11:39:43 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002292_615086218510154_797373507_n.jpg)

They say it as though what they think actually matters here.  It's like a rape victim saying after the fact "Oh no, I totally wanted it" just to cope.

Tragic
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on July 04, 2013, 09:37:59 PM
[yt]j_eKln6zY_w[/yt]

Absolutely ANY comment by AgentNolies who has resorted tooutright denial of facts.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 04, 2013, 10:15:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/U749nfL.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 04, 2013, 10:23:41 PM
Quote from: D on July 04, 2013, 10:15:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/U749nfL.png)
pardon while I wash my eyes with bleach...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 05, 2013, 07:20:55 AM
(http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/merica-19.jpg?w=499)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 05, 2013, 09:50:31 AM
Quote from: D on July 05, 2013, 07:20:55 AM
(http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/merica-19.jpg?w=499)
/groan!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 05, 2013, 04:49:19 PM
I have a soft spot in my heart for libraries but damn this article is just staist propaganda

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2013-jul-jacksonvilles-libraries-should-not-be-closed (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2013-jul-jacksonvilles-libraries-should-not-be-closed)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 05, 2013, 07:18:23 PM
some jackass named BrutusAlbion--specifically the reply to LTH, where he said that the Chinese in effect ruled using a confucian system:

Quote from: a dumbassassertion?

Describe the family unit to me.

Or even better, describe the ''traditional family unit''...

You do realise the chinese had an empire structured around the idea that government should be the equivelant to that of the family unit right?

What would you call family other than something which includes a form of government?

Are tribes with chieftains not a form a government too? Those are basicly enfranchised elderly people leading a family unit...

Still government in all its purpose

I ignored the rest, seeing that Shane addressed it, but the stuff about China is...wrong. and uninformed. and stupid. I did reply to him: let me post it here:


Quote

????

no dynasty ruled that way (the essence of Confucian government)--not even close: and that was never the intent of actual government ministers, let alone the emperors. In practice, all imperial dynasties were either Legalist (e.g. Qin, maybe the Sui), or a mix between legalism and Confucianism (e.g. Han, Ming, Qi'ing), in which case the Legalist elements predominated, not the Confucian ones.

I would recommend works by Wang Bao Ding, or Matthew August leFande, for a review.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 05, 2013, 07:24:53 PM
Well, TheSkepticalHeretic's going off the deep end:

[yt]lF1aVdZ6Kks[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 05, 2013, 07:41:14 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 05, 2013, 07:18:23 PMI ignored the rest, seeing that Shane addressed it, but the stuff about China is...wrong. and uninformed. and stupid. I did reply to him: let me post it here:

When I first got into Taoism I researched other Chinese philosophies, including Confucianism and Legalism. I have to say, I hated Legalism from the very start and that feeling never softened.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 05, 2013, 07:57:02 PM
I can understand: it's easily the most depraved philosophy I can think of. The works by [wiki]Li Si[/wiki] in particular still disturb me to this day, the way he compared people to rats in a palace.

basically, it's statism at its most logical conclusion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 05, 2013, 08:12:29 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 05, 2013, 07:57:02 PM
I can understand: it's easily the most depraved philosophy I can think of. The works by [wiki]Li Si[/wiki] in particular still disturb me to this day, the way he compared people to rats in a palace.

basically, it's statism at its most logical conclusion.

And scarily similar to the statism of today.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 05, 2013, 09:18:20 PM
Encountered this bumper sticker in a parking lot:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ZCPvutBBlfY/Udcrx_4CqwI/AAAAAAAAAPM/nAc3SWMX6pg/s640/blogger-image-473609379.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 05, 2013, 09:21:27 PM
[yt]fUHk9FLZMf4[/yt]

I'm surprised we got this far into a fail quotes thread and DIDN'T post stuff from this idiot.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 05, 2013, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 05, 2013, 09:21:27 PM
[yt]fUHk9FLZMf4[/yt]

I'm surprised we got this far into a fail quotes thread and DIDN'T post stuff from this idiot.

I always wondered why he looks like a Centauri from Babylon 5.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 05, 2013, 10:54:19 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 05, 2013, 09:21:27 PM
[yt]fUHk9FLZMf4[/yt]

I'm surprised we got this far into a fail quotes thread and DIDN'T post stuff from this idiot.


In my opinion, tsoukales doesn't belong here. He's so batshit he deserves his own thread...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 06, 2013, 08:51:04 AM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/995716_461633703931870_452078808_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 06, 2013, 10:38:34 AM
[yt]T4HUvXOvgkQ[/yt]

Seriously, the corruption is just ridiculously blatant at this point.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 06, 2013, 06:25:58 PM
So for those of you who thought oneformtothenext's comments on Atheism and Libertarianism 2 were bad, see him on: [yt]6IAExlOz2OM[/yt]

I was trying to explain to him how we know the universe is old (yes, he's a YEC!), and recommended Lawrence Krauss's book to him. He replied:

"Krauss says that he looks @ galaxies from a billion years ago?? What does he mean by that, is he serious??"

I tried to educate him: "You don't see the moon the way it is now, but as it was ~1.5 seconds ago. You see the sun as it was ~8 minutes ago. The further away, the longer light takes to get here, so we see Betelgeuse as it was ~800 years ago, the Andromeda Galaxy ~2 million years ago, etc. The further out you look, the further back in time you look."

And he replied: "hahaha who taught u that piece of witchcraft???"

And immediately after: "The light doesn't actually have to reach your eye for u to see the moon! If I sit in complete darkness I can still see a bright object even though there is no light shining on me!"

His comments about children doing drugs after they're legalized look quite sane compared to this!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 06, 2013, 06:59:55 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 06, 2013, 06:25:58 PM
So for those of you who thought oneformtothenext's comments on Atheism and Libertarianism 2 were bad, see him on: [yt]6IAExlOz2OM[/yt]

I was trying to explain to him how we know the universe is old (yes, he's a YEC!), and recommended Lawrence Krauss's book to him. He replied:

"Krauss says that he looks @ galaxies from a billion years ago?? What does he mean by that, is he serious??"

I tried to educate him: "You don't see the moon the way it is now, but as it was ~1.5 seconds ago. You see the sun as it was ~8 minutes ago. The further away, the longer light takes to get here, so we see Betelgeuse as it was ~800 years ago, the Andromeda Galaxy ~2 million years ago, etc. The further out you look, the further back in time you look."

And he replied: "hahaha who taught u that piece of witchcraft???"

And immediately after: "The light doesn't actually have to reach your eye for u to see the moon! If I sit in complete darkness I can still see a bright object even though there is no light shining on me!"

His comments about children doing drugs after they're legalized look quite sane compared to this!
Christ, that's stupid even for a YEC!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 06, 2013, 07:50:49 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 06, 2013, 06:59:55 PM
Christ, that's stupid even for a YEC!

And now: "It is only the excess glare from the sun or moon that actually makes contact with your eyes! When u see the sphere of the moon, the light that u see is actually on the moon and u are seeing the moon in real time!"

Someone PLEASE tell me he's a Poe...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 07, 2013, 09:23:49 AM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/1013163_10152972338785471_1865411593_n.jpg)

Double standards much?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 07, 2013, 01:35:55 PM
Have We All Been Fooled By Edward Snowden? (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/06/have-we-all-been-fooled-by-edward-snowden/)

And here I thought only right-wing uber-patriots hated Snowden, but it turns out the far left hates him too. Why? Because in their eyes, he's the worst type of person in the world: an internet libertarian!

The article talks about how Snowden was an ardent Ron Paul supporter and "gun nut" who sought a return to the Gold Standard, hated Obama and his policies, and even joked about Social Security.

But, by far, the most facepalm-inducing paragraph of this article comes right at the end, where the author speculates that Snowden's leaks were a giant conspiracy:

QuoteThis new information has me pondering exactly who this guy is: is he the concerned whistle-blower? Or did he have an ulterior motive to spill what he did? His background isn't really CIA or NSA material, so say a few people I've spoken to who actually have worked for a government contractor. So why was he hired? And why did he pick now to speak out? This has never smelled right to me, which is why I have withheld judgement. But these new revelations create even more questions. Is this whole thing a ruse to make the President look bad? If so, who is funding it – who is paying for all his travel and hotels? Or is Edward Snowden, a man who has completely destroyed his own life, just stupid? I still don't know but this new information gives me a lot to think about. How about you?

Sweet Celestia, why doesn't he just go ahead and accuse Snowden of being a Koch Brother puppet? We all know this bogon emitter thinks that. These libtards all assume that anyone right of Joseph Stalin is secretly in cahoots with the Kochs.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on July 08, 2013, 01:26:00 AM
What's all the fuss about the Koch brothers anyway? I don't get it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 08, 2013, 01:28:07 AM
Don't you know? They're trying to take over America and turn it into a neo-feudalist plutocracy!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on July 08, 2013, 01:43:19 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 08, 2013, 01:28:07 AM
Don't you know? They're trying to take over America and turn it into a neo-feudalist plutocracy!

I've never heard such a thing. I just keep hearing "But the Koch Brothers were involved int his" which is bad for osmeundefined reason.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 08, 2013, 05:00:50 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 08, 2013, 01:28:07 AM
Don't you know? They're trying to take over America and turn it into a neo-feudalist plutocracy!
You say as if this wasa  bad thing, peasent.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 08, 2013, 08:19:34 AM
Quote from: tnu on July 08, 2013, 01:26:00 AM
What's all the fuss about the Koch brothers anyway? I don't get it.

It's the liberals' version of the Rothschilds.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 08, 2013, 12:53:44 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 08, 2013, 08:19:34 AM
It's the liberals' version of the Rothschilds.
Don't they want to do the same thing?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 08, 2013, 01:11:35 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on July 08, 2013, 12:53:44 PM
Don't they want to do the same thing?

Yes, and that's why we know it's batshit crazy.

Cos we all know it's REALLY Pinky and The Brain doing it all!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 08, 2013, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 08, 2013, 01:11:35 PM
Yes, and that's why we know it's batshit crazy.

Cos we all know it's REALLY Pinky and The Brain doing it all!

damnation! I always thought Pokemon was behind it!  :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on July 09, 2013, 04:26:28 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 06, 2013, 07:50:49 PM
And now: "It is only the excess glare from the sun or moon that actually makes contact with your eyes! When u see the sphere of the moon, the light that u see is actually on the moon and u are seeing the moon in real time!"

Someone PLEASE tell me he's a Poe...

Now when I look @ the illuminated sofa, my eyes send out an imperceptible light seeking beam which detects the distribution of the light on the sofa revealing texture,colour and distance etc . The light being detected stays in place on the sofa.

Floored. I am just floored.

This isn't simply being wrong, this is a child making things up. Does oneform think eyes work like a wi-fi connection, or something?

Poe or not, this has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've read in quite a while.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 09, 2013, 04:37:56 PM
even wi-fi doesn't work like that. (though I wish it did).

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 09, 2013, 06:55:39 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1044055_365445593582972_905185725_n.jpg)

While I may prefer classic Metal to what this pic is talking about, the blatant homophobia here is just tasteless and disgusting.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 09, 2013, 07:29:41 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 09, 2013, 04:37:56 PM
even wi-fi doesn't work like that. (though I wish it did).

It actually sounds very similar to the way 3D laser scanning works (although of course that uses light, too).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 09, 2013, 07:32:27 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on July 09, 2013, 04:26:28 PM
Now when I look @ the illuminated sofa, my eyes send out an imperceptible light seeking beam which detects the distribution of the light on the sofa revealing texture,colour and distance etc . The light being detected stays in place on the sofa.

Floored. I am just floored.

This isn't simply being wrong, this is a child making things up. Does oneform think eyes work like a wi-fi connection, or something?

Poe or not, this has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've read in quite a while.

It isn't even original.  This was an idea that goes back to at least Ancient Greece.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 09, 2013, 08:15:17 PM
Schiff is good sometimes.

This is not one of those times.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 09, 2013, 08:25:35 PM
Quote from: D on July 09, 2013, 08:15:17 PM
Schiff is good sometimes.

This is not one of those times.

[yt]vlWv6J7A9zE[/yt]

I'm getting really tired of this trial.
The bullshit from both sides is stupid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 09, 2013, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 09, 2013, 08:25:35 PM
I'm getting really tired of this trial.
The bullshit from both sides is stupid.

It's a complete circus on both sides of the issue.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 09, 2013, 11:03:32 PM
Xbox Fanboys having petitions demanding the original Xbox One with all of the bullshit that made it an abomination:
http://www.change.org/petitions/microsoft-give-us-back-the-xbox-one-we-were-promised-at-e3-2
http://www.change.org/petitions/xbox-one-give-us-back-the-original-xbox-one

I'd say that's worthy of Fail Quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 10, 2013, 05:51:57 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 09, 2013, 07:32:27 PM
It isn't even original.  This was an idea that goes back to at least Ancient Greece.

which was proven wrong in the 9th century by Ibn al-haytham...

yeah, a guy from the Dark ages owns this creationist (unless he's a poe...seriously, might be).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 10, 2013, 07:54:17 AM
Quote from: D on July 09, 2013, 11:03:32 PM
Xbox Fanboys having petitions demanding the original Xbox One with all of the bullshit that made it an abomination:
http://www.change.org/petitions/microsoft-give-us-back-the-xbox-one-we-were-promised-at-e3-2
http://www.change.org/petitions/xbox-one-give-us-back-the-original-xbox-one

I'd say that's worthy of Fail Quotes.

Um, why would they need to do that? Why can't they just leave their Xbox One connected all the time, etc.? I don't get it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 10, 2013, 07:55:25 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 10, 2013, 05:51:57 AM
which was proven wrong in the 9th century by Ibn al-haytham...

yeah, a guy from the Dark ages owns this creationist (unless he's a poe...seriously, might be).

The Middle East wasn't exactly in the Dark Ages, though, as I just had to point out to BrutusAlbion. There were a LOT of scientific advances in the Arab world during that time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 10, 2013, 08:25:47 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 10, 2013, 07:55:25 AM
The Middle East wasn't exactly in the Dark Ages, though, as I just had to point out to BrutusAlbion. There were a LOT of scientific advances in the Arab world during that time.

Thinking about it, I find it's still a tragic case of what's wrong with religion.  You have a society who are very smart and enlightened and then some old fossils with chips on their shoulders come along and make up this cockamania story about how blowing up everyone not like you is what Islam is all about and everyone just goes along with it.  The problem is religion doesn't teach you to think, it only teaches you to obey.  So even when religion is doing good, it just takes one charismatic psychopath to flip things the other way.

I'm no expert on Islam but that's the impression I'm getting so far.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 10, 2013, 12:21:18 PM
ATHEIST CHURCH WILL TAKE GOD AND 'SUPER-NATURALISM' OUT OF THE EQUATION — AND THIS FORMER PENTECOSTAL PREACHER IS LEADING IT (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/10/ex-christian-pastors-atheist-church-for-non-believers-takes-god-out-of-the-equation)

Atheist chaplains? Atheist temples? And now atheist churches and pastors? What is with atheists and oxymorons? (No offense to the atheists on here!)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 10, 2013, 12:26:15 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 10, 2013, 12:21:18 PM
ATHEIST CHURCH WILL TAKE GOD AND ‘SUPER-NATURALISM’ OUT OF THE EQUATION — AND THIS FORMER PENTECOSTAL PREACHER IS LEADING IT (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/10/ex-christian-pastors-atheist-church-for-non-believers-takes-god-out-of-the-equation)

Atheist chaplains? Atheist temples? And now atheist churches and pastors? What is with atheists and oxymorons? (No offense to the atheists on here!)

There are very good reasons for it, not the least of which is the ability to get married without a religious ceremony. Anyone can get ordained from the Church of Atheism and officiate marriages. Other benefits include engaging in social and community action without having to pay taxes. Religious people get these benefits; why can't we?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 10, 2013, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 10, 2013, 12:26:15 PM
There are very good reasons for it, not the least of which is the ability to get married without a religious ceremony. Anyone can get ordained from the Church of Atheism and officiate marriages. Other benefits include engaging in social and community action without having to pay taxes. Religious people get these benefits; why can't we?
Indeed.  The best solution to this issue would be have government not involved in those things to begin with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 10, 2013, 03:45:26 PM
Found this while doing some research.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 10, 2013, 03:52:29 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 10, 2013, 03:45:26 PM
Found this while doing some research.

[yt]MD032QVYvKE[/yt]

if he's sword-fingers, why hasn't she been sliced in half or something?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 10, 2013, 04:27:20 PM
[yt]z6ACE-BBPRs[/yt]

Fail for the actions of Gitmo.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 10, 2013, 06:06:54 PM
[yt]q5hmxyceUYQ[/yt]

Oh, god! How stupid can you get?!?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on July 10, 2013, 07:56:34 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 10, 2013, 06:06:54 PM
[yt]q5hmxyceUYQ[/yt]

Oh, god! How stupid can you get?!?

You realize it's Zonation right? but at any rate. I'm not exactly well versed in the astro sciences but I'm not sure that's how Black holes work. or rather how they interact with stars. I could be wrong as I've said i'm completely illiterate in this area.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 10, 2013, 07:58:05 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 10, 2013, 06:06:54 PM
[yt]q5hmxyceUYQ[/yt]

Oh, god! How stupid can you get?!?

Has Zo ever made a video that WASN'T fail?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on July 10, 2013, 11:01:35 PM
http://io9.com/right-wing-preacher-condemns-star-trek-into-darkness-fo-683228506 (http://io9.com/right-wing-preacher-condemns-star-trek-into-darkness-fo-683228506)

As a christian I'm sorry 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 10, 2013, 11:40:37 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 10, 2013, 07:58:05 PM
Has Zo ever made a video that WASN'T fail?

Not any that I'm aware.
The only reason I see his videos is that I actually kinda like guys like Bill Whittle.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on July 11, 2013, 01:48:45 PM
Quotethe element that makes 'following the law an obligation' is the fact you will be punished for not following it.

This is true regardless of whether you personally acknowledge the law as a superior moral standard.

type10000 in Hawkeyes Top 11 Statist arguments video
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 11, 2013, 03:59:15 PM
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Oh Sweet Celestia, where do I even begin?!?!

1) Biblical slavery is not the same as modern slavery. Slavery as mentioned in the Bible was not the same as the slavery that existed in pre-Civil War America. If anything, Biblical slavery was more akin to indentured servitude, as "bondservants" (which is what they were reffered to in the Bible) would work for another person in order to pay off their debts to them. Furthermore, the Bible has clear instructions (http://carm.org/slavery) for "masters" to treat their "bondservants" fairly, and to only allow them to work for them until their debts were paid in full.

2) Christianity existed in Africa long before the Europeans arrived. Christianity in Ethiopia dates back the 1st century AD, and was fabled to have been brought there by the Ethiopian Eunuch. So not all Africans had Christianity forced upon them by European slave-owners.

3) Most Christians opposed slavery. While many Christians did support slavery, many more were opposed to it. The Catholic Church condemned slavery, having been denounced by Pope Paul III in his papal bull "Sublimus Dei" (http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Paul03/p3subli.htm) in 1537. The abolitionist movement was entirely religious in nature. John Newton, the hymnist who wrote "Amazing Grace", was formerly a slave trader before converting to Christianity, after which he left the practice and preached against it. His anti-slavery pamphlet "Thoughts Upon the Slave Trade" (http://dlxs.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=mayantislavery;idno=21874801;view=image;seq=1) inspired  William Wilberforce to enter politics and lead the movement to end slavery in the British Empire.

But of course, all of these facts don't matter to Dusty. All he cares about is logic--and by "logic", he really means whatever rationalization he can use to smear and malign Christians. If this means inadvertently calling Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. or Rosa Parks or any other prominent figure in the Civil Rights Movement an "uncle Tom," so be it. After all, logic!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 11, 2013, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 11, 2013, 03:59:15 PM
1) Biblical slavery is not the same as modern slavery. Slavery as mentioned in the Bible was not the same as the slavery that existed in pre-Civil War America. If anything, Biblical slavery was more akin to indentured servitude, as "bondservants" (which is what they were reffered to in the Bible) would work for another person in order to pay off their debts to them. Furthermore, the Bible has clear instructions (http://carm.org/slavery) for "masters" to treat their "bondservants" fairly, and to only allow them to work for them until their debts were paid in full.

So then, what's all that bit about selling daughters into slavery and they never get freed, whereas sons are freed after 7 years?

Really, it's only MALE HEBREW slaves that they have to treat nicely. Females and people of other races, you can screw them however you want (even literally!).

Quote3) Most Christians opposed slavery.

Only if you count Quakers as Christians--which, in fairness, they pretty much all were at the time, but they had lots of extra beliefs outside Christian teachings that led them to oppose slavery. Otherwise, it's pretty much a wash.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 11, 2013, 04:40:13 PM
This isn't just me as a Christian who has a problem with this. Atheists such as UnseenPerfidy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_fN41ET6mk) and Gabriel Grey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZoxBMLt2q4) have taken Dusty to task over his fail.

As for your points:

Quote from: MrBogosity on July 11, 2013, 04:05:16 PM
So then, what's all that bit about selling daughters into slavery and they never get freed, whereas sons are freed after 7 years?

Not really going to regurgitate what apologists have already explained numerous times. As for "female sex slaves," here's a video by TektonTV explaining why that isn't the case:

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QuoteOnly if you count Quakers as Christians--which, in fairness, they pretty much all were at the time, but they had lots of extra beliefs outside Christian teachings that led them to oppose slavery. Otherwise, it's pretty much a wash.

That sounds too much like a "no-true Scotsman fallacy," which, ironically, many of my fellow Christians try to use on other denominations to argue that they're not "true" Christians. Fact is, as I alreadey explained, Christians across the spectrum, from Protestants to Catholics, were opposed to slavery and were supporters of abolition.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 11, 2013, 05:12:12 PM
all comments by bamboo4tameshigiri on this video:

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Of particular note:

bamboo4tameshigiri: "'So what?'

Are you autistic? He's not talking about computer programs. He's talking about the real human lives and how they would be effected by the turmoil you wish to have in the tearing down and building up of new systems. Try to pay attention, or just stop being dishonest. No one over the age of 10 is THAT naive."

Tnu1138: "You keep using that word as if ti somehow makes you magically right. For that matter I'M autistic asshole. "

bamboo4tameshigiri: "That explains a LOT."

Stay classy, bamboo.  Stay classy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 11, 2013, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 11, 2013, 04:40:13 PM
Not really going to regurgitate what apologists have already explained numerous times. As for "female sex slaves," here's a video by TektonTV explaining why that isn't the case:

And as usual, Tekton uses strawman arguments as well as speculation and extra-Biblical information (with his usual smug arrogance) to try and gleam what the Bible "really" means, while actually talking around the issue: "31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

As for Deut. 21, interesting how he considers it "humanizing" and "moral" for God to say that you have to marry your victim before you can rape her. "It was better than it was before" is FUCKING NO DEFENSE for a book that's supposed to be divinely inspired by a perfectly moral God.

QuoteThat sounds too much like a "no-true Scotsman fallacy,"

No, it's not. Do you realize there are Jewish Quakers? Muslim Quakers? There are even ATHEIST Quakers!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 11, 2013, 07:03:57 PM
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I really need to stop looking on PJTV YouTube page.

Really, an entire video for something was obviously a joke?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 12, 2013, 08:49:45 AM
I'm not sure whats worse, the failure of economics or that the people who run Being Liberal would be the first in line to block a Wal-Mart from opening all together

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/992884_350316168430655_781886796_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 12, 2013, 10:36:04 AM
It gets worse:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1013945_10151731128644872_606170297_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 12, 2013, 10:39:16 AM
Quote from: D on July 12, 2013, 10:36:04 AM
It gets worse:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1013945_10151731128644872_606170297_n.jpg)

I can personally attest that none of these are true. After my accident Walmart was VERY good about these things, including helping me to the car.

Of course, if they did it for EVERY customer they'd have to raise prices (imagine that), but it's there for the ones who need it (as opposed to the ones who are just lazy elitist fucks).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 12, 2013, 12:24:11 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/0a174485c75e81238de4d232dec77192/tumblr_mp3udlus8C1qfzh16o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 12, 2013, 02:03:34 PM
Unfortunately in this next piece of fail, we have to call out one of our own.

First, some background:
"The Skeptical Libertarian page on Facebook decided to point out some historical inaccuracies in Tom Woods' book "The Politically-Incorrect Guide to American History."

Tom Woods responded with this:
"The folks at the misnamed 'Skeptical Libertarian' are attacking my Politically Incorrect Guide to American History, a correspondent tells me. I am quite sure whatever they are saying can be answered, but you know what? I do not care.

Perhaps we can gather a list all the bestselling books produced by the entire community there and critique them. Or make a list of all the people they've converted to libertarianism. I suspect both lists would be the same length."

I never expected such a childish and silly response from someone I hold in high regard.

Okay, I'm adding more to this because after reading the comments, Tom Woods is starting to come off as a massive douche bag and almost conspiratard-like:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2s9vtky.jpg)
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2j4er2s.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2jced6t.jpg)

Hell, there might end up being more fail before I even post this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 12, 2013, 02:35:45 PM
Quote from: D on July 12, 2013, 02:03:34 PM
Unfortunately in this next piece of fail, we have to call out one of our own.

First, some background:
"The Skeptical Libertarian page on Facebook decided to point out some historical inaccuracies in Tom Woods' book "The Politically-Incorrect Guide to American History."

Tom Woods responded with this:
"The folks at the misnamed 'Skeptical Libertarian' are attacking my Politically Incorrect Guide to American History, a correspondent tells me. I am quite sure whatever they are saying can be answered, but you know what? I do not care.

Perhaps we can gather a list all the bestselling books produced by the entire community there and critique them. Or make a list of all the people they've converted to libertarianism. I suspect both lists would be the same length."

I never expected such a childish and silly response from someone I hold in high regard.

Okay, I'm adding more to this because after reading the comments, Tom Woods is starting to come off as a massive douche bag and almost conspiratard-like:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2s9vtky.jpg)
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2j4er2s.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2jced6t.jpg)

Hell, there might end up being more fail before I even post this.
Yo, Shane any chance of Tom Woods getting named IE/BBE in a podcast from this idiocy?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 12, 2013, 02:51:18 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 12, 2013, 02:35:45 PM
Yo, Shane any chance of Tom Woods getting named IE/BBE in a podcast from this idiocy?

I dunno, I'm having trouble finding anything there to take issue with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 12, 2013, 03:01:04 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 12, 2013, 02:51:18 PM
I dunno, I'm having trouble finding anything there to take issue with.

I don't know, maybe the whole, "You criticize my book and point out my historical inaccuracies? Clearly you must support the establishment and aren't a true skeptical libertarian. I also don't care enough to address your points. How many books have YOU written?!"

Seriously, there's a ton of bullshit to call out here.

I'm also going to say that this is now reaching $2 Molyneux donation fiasco levels of stupid:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/4ui82d.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 12, 2013, 04:14:37 PM
It mostly seems to be him not wanting to take on yet more false accusations of him being a "neo-confederate," when he's done everything reasonably possible to make it clear that the Confederate States of America is FAR from his ideal government.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 12, 2013, 04:33:18 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 12, 2013, 04:14:37 PM
It mostly seems to be him not wanting to take on yet more false accusations of him being a "neo-confederate," when he's done everything reasonably possible to make it clear that the Confederate States of America is FAR from his ideal government.

But they weren't claims of him being a neo-Confederate. They were claims that his book had historical inaccuracies which he simply shrugged off as TSL being "not libertarian" and "parroting the mainstream media."

I don't see Woods as a neo-Confederate, but he certainly came off like a massive douche here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 12, 2013, 05:00:18 PM
Quote from: D on July 12, 2013, 04:33:18 PM
I don't see Woods as a neo-Confederate, but he certainly came off like a massive douche here.

Both Woods and TSL have that capacity. Doesn't qualify either for BBE or IE, though.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 12, 2013, 05:04:26 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 12, 2013, 05:00:18 PM
Both Woods and TSL have that capacity. Doesn't qualify either for BBE or IE, though.

I won't deny that TSL can't be a douche at times. He certainly can be. Doesn't change the fact that Woods was acting like a complete ass and honestly, worthy of IE for acting like pointing out historical accuracies within his book makes you "falsely labeled skeptical libertarian" and acting as if you need to have a best seller in order to dare challenge him. Whether or not he gets an IE is irrelevant, but the fact is, Woods needed to be called out on his bullshit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 12, 2013, 05:10:50 PM
The thing is, I can't find anywhere where TSL pointed out specific historical innacuracies in his book. It's not on his blog, and I only see a couple of snarky comments on his FB that are little better than assertions. Unless I've missed a proper critique somewhere; if I have, please point it out to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 12, 2013, 05:32:15 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 12, 2013, 05:10:50 PM
The thing is, I can't find anywhere where TSL pointed out specific historical innacuracies in his book. It's not on his blog, and I only see a couple of snarky comments on his FB that are little better than assertions. Unless I've missed a proper critique somewhere; if I have, please point it out to me.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 12, 2013, 06:05:24 PM
Quote from: D on July 12, 2013, 05:32:15 PM
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It's way difficult if he doesn't quote the book, to know what precisely is being refuted. None of these rise to the level of a formal critique. And some make no sense at all, like:

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LOLWUT??? Here's the full quote, from his 1848 speech to Congress:

Quote from: Abraham LincolnAny people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, most sacred right—a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government, may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize, and make their own, of so much of the territory as they inhabit. More than this, a majority of any portion of such people may revolutionize, putting down a minority, intermingled with, or near about them, who may oppose their movement.

Sorry, but there's not much grey area there. TSL is out to lunch when he's saying Lincoln is speaking of a moral right and not a legal one; rights ARE legal, or the government is oppressive. Besides, when the American colonies seceded form Britain, it was illegal under British law; saying secession is illegal misses the point of secession entirely.

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There are only three times I'm aware of before the Civil War where secession was seriously debated. The first was after Thomas Jefferson was elected president, and the Federalists in New England cried for secession. They decided not to, but nowhere in the debates that I've found did they say they didn't have the RIGHT to debate—they said it wasn't a good idea, like Alexander Hamilton, but there was no case of anyone saying, "Hey, we don't even get to have this conversation because states can't secede anyway."

The second was after the Tariffs of Abomination in the 1840s. Again, many states cried for secession, but although the secessionists lost the argument, it's hard to find any of their opponents saying they COULDN'T do it, only that it was a bad idea.

The third was in the 1850s, leading up to the Civil War, when some Abolitionists (most notably William Lloyd Garrison) advocated that the northern states secede to make a truly free country, without slavery. Again, they decided not to do it, but also again, there was no contention to the fact that they were HAVING THE CONVERSATION.

And even if JQA or certain others DID say that they couldn't secede, all you have is THAT ONE PERSON'S OPINION. And when that person is the President, it's hard to take the claim credibly. I'm sure King George III would have spoken against secession as well.

Now, to all of these, there's the disclaimer that I haven't read Woods's book—but also, TSL doesn't so much as quote him, so it's hard to evaluate his accusations. THIS IS NOT A FORMAL CRITIQUE. And for reasons I have stated, it's hard to respond to a critique unless it's formally laid out, and I don't blame Woods one bit for not trying to jump into an obvious quagmire.

And yes, I've skimmed through the other comments. Same thing applies.

For all I know, Woods has a major error on every third page; but if TSL or anyone else wants Woods to take this seriously and respond, a proper, formal critique is required.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 12, 2013, 08:18:19 PM
Quote from: D on July 12, 2013, 10:36:04 AM
It gets worse:
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HOW DARE THEY ACT AS IF THEY AREN'T OUR SLAVES???!!!!!!! WE MUST RAIL AGAINST THIS INJUSTICE!!!!!! DEATH TO WALMART Arrgh GArrr!!!!

She might as well said this, instead of trying (failing) to sound intelligent.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 13, 2013, 12:21:42 AM
Every single comment left on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IAExlOz2OM by oneformtothenext defending slavery.
I'm close to calling Poe's Law--no one is THAT insane/stupid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 13, 2013, 08:57:02 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 13, 2013, 12:21:42 AM
Every single comment left on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IAExlOz2OM by oneformtothenext defending slavery.
I'm close to calling Poe's Law--no one is THAT insane/stupid.

If we didn't call Poe on him for saying that we don't see light reflected off of objects, then why would this do it?

Sadly, there really ARE people this stupid in the world.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on July 13, 2013, 10:23:10 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 13, 2013, 12:21:42 AM
Every single comment left on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IAExlOz2OM by oneformtothenext defending slavery.
I'm close to calling Poe's Law--no one is THAT insane/stupid.

I went to his channel to find anything to prove he's not serious, and instead learned that he's a moon hoaxer as well. There's not a hint of evidence to suggest he's trolling or poe-ing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 13, 2013, 10:24:45 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on July 13, 2013, 10:23:10 AM
I went to his channel to find anything to prove he's not serious, and instead learned that he's a moon hoaxer as well. There's not a hint of evidence to suggest he's trolling or poe-ing.
Either that or he's just that good.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 13, 2013, 11:48:25 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 13, 2013, 08:57:02 AM
If we didn't call Poe on him for saying that we don't see light reflected off of objects, then why would this do it?

Sadly, there really ARE people this stupid in the world.
Don't remind me. T_T
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 13, 2013, 06:00:46 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 13, 2013, 06:21:42 PM
I'm also throwing Peace News Now's recent video in here because of anti-vaccer and anti-flouride nonsense:
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His source on the fluoride story:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/fluoride_b_2479833.html

His source on his anti-vaccer shit:
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/07/courts-rule-vaccines-containing-mmr-and.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 13, 2013, 11:32:33 PM
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Oh, god.
This is going to get even dumber.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 14, 2013, 12:37:02 AM
There are people who are seriously comparing Jahar to Trayon Martin:

http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/55276214998/freejahar-compares-boston-bomber-to-trayvon-martin (http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/55276214998/freejahar-compares-boston-bomber-to-trayvon-martin)

Words fail me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: brandishwar on July 14, 2013, 02:52:33 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 13, 2013, 11:32:33 PM
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Oh, god.
This is going to get even dumber.

Just wait for the blog posts and Change.org petitions calling for the judge to overturn Zimmerman's acquittal...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 14, 2013, 08:57:07 AM
Quote from: brandishwar on July 14, 2013, 02:52:33 AM
Just wait for the blog posts and Change.org petitions calling for the judge to overturn Zimmerman's acquittal...

How about Facebook posts asking Obama to overturn the decision?

Unfortunately I don't have any to actually share, but according to my buddy Matt, he saw at least one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 14, 2013, 10:29:46 AM
http://bit.ly/12Kn7NT

Go fuck yourself Maher!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 14, 2013, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: D on July 13, 2013, 06:00:46 PM
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LOLwut?

Every organism pays to live here: they expend energy to extract minerals from the soil, or kill one another, or swamp each other, all for some of the currency of life: time, energy, and space to use them. If that isn't work of the most intense and constant nature, I don't know what is.

And why are people making a big deal over the acquittal? I never quite understood the point behind the publicity in the first place: so what if some guy shot another guy? Try him, and see. No need for a farce.


Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: brandishwar on July 14, 2013, 02:29:23 PM
Quote from: D on July 14, 2013, 08:57:07 AM
How about Facebook posts asking Obama to overturn the decision?

Unfortunately I don't have any to actually share, but according to my buddy Matt, he saw at least one.

There is this, though: Civil Rights Prosecution of George Zimmerman by United States Department of Justice for death of Trayvon Martin (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/civil-rights-prosecution-george-zimmerman-united-states-department-justice-death-trayvon-martin/LkGHz0VH). These people don't waste any time, do they?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 14, 2013, 02:50:26 PM
Quote from: brandishwar on July 14, 2013, 02:29:23 PM
There is this, though: Civil Rights Prosecution of George Zimmerman by United States Department of Justice for death of Trayvon Martin (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/civil-rights-prosecution-george-zimmerman-united-states-department-justice-death-trayvon-martin/LkGHz0VH). These people don't waste any time, do they?

What right did Zimmerman allegedly violate? Martin's right Not To Be Looked At While In Public? No such right.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 14, 2013, 05:23:55 PM
Something "totally wack" from Yo, Is This Racist (http://yoisthisracist.com/post/54768207232/anonymous-asked-republicans-who-claim-to-only):

Quoteanonymous asked: Republicans who claim to only adhere to the economic or small government aspect of their party and not the social aspect are forgetting about the trickle down racism, homophobia, islamophobia, misogyny, and general shitholetude. And unlike the fiscal policy, this really does make its way down to the very bottom of society.

And Andew Ti's response:

QuoteUh, also, after benefiting from 200 plus years of government sanctioned and implemented inequality, claiming that now it's time for government to take a smaller role in helping equalize opportunity and justice just in and of itself racist. That's right, you fucking "small government" assholes, you can go fuck yourselves.

Why yes, after 200 plus years of government sanctioned and implemented inequality, I do think it's high time that goverment stop meddling in race. But yo, that's something "totally wack" from a wacked-out libertarian like myself, amirite?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 14, 2013, 05:58:33 PM
When all else fails, pull out the "You didn't grow up in the hood" card

thelakelander: There's no conflict if an armed GZ doesn't stalk/provoke TM.  The fact that a random guy can carry a firearm, provoke an altercation, shoot the victim when the victim starts to kick his ass, and walk away free from doing any prison time is a problem, IMO.

Me: Provoked....?  There lays a pivotal thing that needs to be proven, not assumed.

thelakelander: It was proven that GZ stalked/followed the kid.  Maybe it's just me and the experience of growing up as a black male in a different environment that many of our readers may not be familiar with...but if someone you don't know (who clearly isn't a police officer), follows you in the dark, you're being provoked and being put in a situation where you're on the defensive.  If not, in typical circumstances, your ass is as good as mugged, jumped or whatever.

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,18945.90.html (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,18945.90.html)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 14, 2013, 06:02:29 PM
From the same thread

QuoteAnyway, I agree the jury has spoken.  However, the ultimate impact of this night may just be beginning. The jury also spoke when Emmett Till was lynched in 1955.  The momentum generated from that injustice ultimately resulted in Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s. This case may have just turned TM into a martyr.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 14, 2013, 06:04:52 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on July 14, 2013, 05:58:33 PM
When all else fails, pull out the "You didn't grow up in the hood" card

thelakelander: There's no conflict if an armed GZ doesn't stalk/provoke TM.  The fact that a random guy can carry a firearm, provoke an altercation, shoot the victim when the victim starts to kick his ass, and walk away free from doing any prison time is a problem, IMO.

Me: Provoked....?  There lays a pivotal thing that needs to be proven, not assumed.

thelakelander: It was proven that GZ stalked/followed the kid.  Maybe it's just me and the experience of growing up as a black male in a different environment that many of our readers may not be familiar with...but if someone you don't know (who clearly isn't a police officer), follows you in the dark, you're being provoked and being put in a situation where you're on the defensive.  If not, in typical circumstances, your ass is as good as mugged, jumped or whatever.

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,18945.90.html (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,18945.90.html)

Let me just respond by saying as a white man who lives in "the hood" if someone follows you and you don't know who they are, you still don't have the fucking right to attack them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 14, 2013, 10:48:11 PM
"If all atheists could be aborted, the world would have been a much better place than it is today. Abort atheists. Forced abortions for atheists. Same for communists."--tinydancer1965 in the comments of this video:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 15, 2013, 02:36:20 AM
Quote from: D on July 14, 2013, 06:04:52 PM
Let me just respond by saying as a white man who lives in "the hood" if someone follows you and you don't know who they are, you still don't have the fucking right to attack them.
Are you playing the "grown up in the hood" card now?
In any case you're right. It isn't a reason to attack them, not even if they followed you in their car, late at night gotten out to confront you. On the other hand seeing a black teen wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles shouldn't be enough reason to kill him.  If it had been Fruit Gushers maybe. Mind you, Zimmerman had a brocken nose and Trayvor Martin was shot dead sooo probably not really a proprotional response.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 15, 2013, 09:00:28 AM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on July 15, 2013, 02:36:20 AMOn the other hand seeing a black teen wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles shouldn't be enough reason to kill him.

It is if he pushes you to the ground and wails on you MMA-style while banging your head against the concrete, as both eyewitnesses and Zimmerman's injuries confirm.

QuoteMind you, Zimmerman had a brocken nose and Trayvor Martin was shot dead sooo probably not really a proprotional response.

With what Martin was doing to him, Zimmerman's death would have just been a matter of time--and not much at that. You can only sustain so many head injuries, and Martin showed no sign of stopping.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2013, 09:31:16 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 15, 2013, 11:08:39 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 15, 2013, 09:00:28 AM
It is if he pushes you to the ground and wails on you MMA-style while banging your head against the concrete, as both eyewitnesses and Zimmerman's injuries confirm.

With what Martin was doing to him, Zimmerman's death would have just been a matter of time--and not much at that. You can only sustain so many head injuries, and Martin showed no sign of stopping.

Yes, sadly in this matter it could've been just well Martin who had to sit in the defendants seat. Althought I was under the impression that MMA fighting involved more cock punching than head bashing. I haven't found any testimonies about how the struggle between the two started  except Zimmerman's but if it's true it still was stupid to leave the car and follow someone you thought to be a criminal on the prowl. It was equaly if not more stupid for Martin to confront someone who'd been following you in the middle of the night not to mention starting to beat him.  That is of course if it has happened that way. I suppose in Zimmerman's favor is that the investigation of the police force he called lazy and useless did help to aquitt him.... wait.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 15, 2013, 12:07:36 PM
I knew it was only a matter of time being the L word starting coming out

Quote...anyone who thinks this isn't anything but a state-sanctioned lynching is being naive.

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,18945.msg336553.html#msg336553
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2013, 01:58:10 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on July 15, 2013, 12:07:36 PM
I knew it was only a matter of time being the L word starting coming out

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,18945.msg336553.html#msg336553
The race card--what's in YOUR wallet?  Stay classy OP, stay classy.
And yeah, seems like quote a few comments in that thread are epic fails...Will people PLEASE stop with the freakin' race baiting crap already?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 15, 2013, 02:11:04 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on July 15, 2013, 11:08:39 AMbut if it's true it still was stupid to leave the car and follow someone you thought to be a criminal on the prowl.

He didn't. He left the car to find a street sign so he could tell the 911 operator where he was. Again, MARTIN came to HIM.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 15, 2013, 04:37:05 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 15, 2013, 02:11:04 PM
He didn't. He left the car to find a street sign so he could tell the 911 operator where he was. Again, MARTIN came to HIM.

Again again, if that's how it happened. Mind you I wouldn't trust Martin's telling of events if I had a chance to listen to it. After all I've watched Rashomon. Well, I watched the original japanese version without any subs and then looked up what the fuck the movie was about on the internet.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 15, 2013, 07:22:03 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on July 15, 2013, 04:37:05 PM
Again again, if that's how it happened.

That's what was said at the time on the 911 call.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 15, 2013, 07:37:19 PM
He might've lied. He might've started to strangle the lad with with his own penis. I know I would've. I mean in a consentiual way of course.
But I digress.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 15, 2013, 10:29:08 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 15, 2013, 09:00:28 AM
It is if he pushes you to the ground and wails on you MMA-style while banging your head against the concrete, as both eyewitnesses and Zimmerman's injuries confirm.

With what Martin was doing to him, Zimmerman's death would have just been a matter of time--and not much at that. You can only sustain so many head injuries, and Martin showed no sign of stopping.

Well, damn, it's Hale and Tavai all over again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 16, 2013, 12:04:26 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2013, 12:07:37 AM
Quote from: D on July 16, 2013, 12:04:26 AM
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And the comments on it too:

ex:  "Banning abortion is completely consistent with Libertarian views because, Abortion completely,(brutally), violates the rights of the unborn children. As such we should not only ban the practice but harshly prosecute those who cunduct it to the same level we would an active shooter."--blade402860
"Abortion should still be allowed in case the fetus is a threat to the mother. I'm kind of conflicted on rape. On one side the mother did not choose to let the fetus in there. on the other side the fetus is doing no long term harm. But incest abortion is evil eugenics. If you voluntary commit incest it's not the babies fault."--WolfSaviorZX (this was a top comment--with 9 upthumbs when I last saw it)

Hell, if they want me to take them seriously they can stop with the holier than thou--"Well YOU would have cared if your mom aborted you!/The world would be better off if YOU were aborted" (direct quotes sadly) and/or the Godwin's Law "holocaust of the unborn!" bollocks.  Either one of those stupid bits, I will take as a forfeit of the debate.  Grow up.

The fact that she (TLG) seems to support Rand Paul for 2016 says it all imho--she's yet another conservaturd in libertarian clothing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 16, 2013, 02:21:54 AM
John Oliver "Slams" Florida: 'Just Because You're Shaped Like A Dick Doesn't Mean You Have To Act' Like One

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/john-oliver-slams-florida-just-because-youre-shaped-like-a-dick-doesnt-mean-you-have-to-act-like-one/

Wow, way to know fuck all about a case, but still talk on about it like a moron.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 16, 2013, 03:54:28 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 16, 2013, 02:21:54 AM
John Oliver "Slams" Florida: 'Just Because You're Shaped Like A Dick Doesn't Mean You Have To Act' Like One

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/john-oliver-slams-florida-just-because-youre-shaped-like-a-dick-doesnt-mean-you-have-to-act-like-one/

Wow, way to know fuck all about a case, but still talk on about it like a moron.
From the comment section.
Wow. Just wow!
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 16, 2013, 01:40:43 PM
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Apparently calling a black man whom you disagree with politically an "Uncle Tom" or "House negro" or "race traitor" is not racist.

Because it's totally legit for a liberal white man to dictate to black people what they ought to think, and if they don't think that way, to label them "Uncle Toms."

This is why I don't take "social justice" seriously.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2013, 02:18:15 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 16, 2013, 01:40:43 PM
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Apparently calling a black man whom you disagree with politically an "Uncle Tom" or "House negro" or "race traitor" is not racist.

Because it's totally legit for a liberal white man to dictate to black people what they ought to think, and if they don't think that way, to label them "Uncle Toms."

This is why I don't take "social justice" seriously.
Yikes.  Reminds me of when I defended the idea of gov't not having a say in things like sex or whathave you and when I brought up that I'm bi-sexual, they call me an "uncle tom" for it....for not wanting special favoring from govco...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2013, 03:47:24 PM
"Rights and duties are convertible terms. If you have the right to life, you have the duty to not infringe on others. If you have a right to abortion... do you have a duty to abort? For this reason abortion is not a natural law. And Cicero would further say, "True law is right reason, consonant with nature, spread through all people. It is constant and eternal; it summons to duty by its orders, it deters from crime by its prohibitions."--Publius Valerius from TLG's video on abortion.
Translated--"I don't know what the fuck a 'right' is."
Incidently, check out Shane's comments in the video:  https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=mW-yvfrVrdw&threaded=1 They are epic win.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 16, 2013, 03:57:08 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 16, 2013, 02:18:15 PM
Yikes.  Reminds me of when I defended the idea of gov't not having a say in things like sex or whathave you and when I brought up that I'm bi-sexual, they call me an "uncle tom" for it....for not wanting special favoring from govco...

or the time I was called a (race) traitor for having the temerity to suggest that maybe--just maybe--I don't think it's a problem that large groups of (brown?) people from outside Europe wish to move in, and that it is perfectly normal (from an economic standpoint). I mean, it's not like walls are being built by the immigrants with machine gun nests and checkpoints, houses bulldozed, and natives forced to live either like urchins or leave their country....

which is funny, because European governments tend to (off the record of course), support this kind of behavior.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2013, 07:05:40 PM
Quote from: D on July 16, 2013, 12:04:26 AM
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One of her comments was just painful. "What does this video have to do with gov't force?"  Really?  Grief....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 17, 2013, 12:37:40 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 16, 2013, 07:05:40 PM
One of her comments was just painful. "What does this video have to do with gov't force?"  Really?  Grief....

Pin them to the wall about the problems with banning abortion, and they backpedal and go, "Oh, but we don't want to ban abortion!" Really? Okay, good. Then you know what? YOU'RE PRO-CHOICE!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 17, 2013, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 17, 2013, 12:37:40 PM
Pin them to the wall about the problems with banning abortion, and they backpedal and go, "Oh, but we don't want to ban abortion!" Really? Okay, good. Then you know what? YOU'RE PRO-CHOICE!!!
Indeed.  It's one thing to think abortion is immoral or be against it.  It's another thing to want to use government force to stop it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 17, 2013, 04:42:12 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 17, 2013, 03:43:37 PM
Indeed.  It's one thing to think abortion is immoral or be against it.  It's another thing to want to use government force to stop it.

I thought about this while watching the latest MSS. While they were discussing free speech, DPR kept saying things like, "Do you have a problem with..." And what I would have LOVED to be able to do is tell him right then and there, that isn't the issue! I do not approve of racist speech; I have a BIG problem with it. But I would NEVER pass a law saying that those who make racist speeches should be arrested and imprisoned. Those are two entirely different things.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 17, 2013, 06:19:10 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 17, 2013, 04:42:12 PM
I thought about this while watching the latest MSS. While they were discussing free speech, DPR kept saying things like, "Do you have a problem with..." And what I would have LOVED to be able to do is tell him right then and there, that isn't the issue! I do not approve of racist speech; I have a BIG problem with it. But I would NEVER pass a law saying that those who make racist speeches should be arrested and imprisoned. Those are two entirely different things.
:)  Yeah.
So what's MSS?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 17, 2013, 06:33:10 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 17, 2013, 06:37:05 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 17, 2013, 06:19:10 PM
:)  Yeah.
So what's MSS?

Magic Sandwich Show:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 17, 2013, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 17, 2013, 06:37:05 PM
Magic Sandwich Show:

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Sweet! Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 17, 2013, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: D on July 17, 2013, 06:33:10 PM
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Yeah, as I said to you in AIM, the title alone merits a fail quote.  And as you said, it doesn't help that he shares Hawkeye's last name.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 17, 2013, 06:40:42 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 17, 2013, 06:38:37 PM
Yeah, as I said to you in AIM, the title alone merits a fail quote.  And as you said, it doesn't help that he shares Hawkeye's last name.

here's a novel idea: how about fewer of all people die unnaturally?

too much to ask?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 17, 2013, 06:41:09 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 17, 2013, 06:40:42 PM
here's a novel idea: how about fewer of all people die unnaturally?

too much to ask?
For him, clearly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 17, 2013, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 17, 2013, 04:42:12 PM
I thought about this while watching the latest MSS. While they were discussing free speech, DPR kept saying things like, "Do you have a problem with..." And what I would have LOVED to be able to do is tell him right then and there, that isn't the issue! I do not approve of racist speech; I have a BIG problem with it. But I would NEVER pass a law saying that those who make racist speeches should be arrested and imprisoned. Those are two entirely different things.
And yeah, given that the anti-abortion* people use the same "if you dun want govco to ban it, you must love it and think it's good!" argument that the drug warriors (and hell, statists in general) use, it sounds more and more like a statist, not libertarian, philosophy.  Guys, if you need government to achieve your ideology/goal, that is, you need to initiate force on peaceful people, your philosophy probably wasn't very virtuous to begin with.


*(I'm NOT calling them pro-life, given that atrocity that happened in Ireland you linked to in the comments)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 17, 2013, 07:34:14 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 17, 2013, 07:09:07 PM
*(I'm NOT calling them pro-life, given that atrocity that happened in Ireland you linked to in the comments)

Yeah, that's a story I covered on the podcast: http://podcast.bogosity.tv/bogosity-podcast-for-19-november-2012/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 17, 2013, 08:01:46 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 17, 2013, 07:34:14 PM
Yeah, that's a story I covered on the podcast: http://podcast.bogosity.tv/bogosity-podcast-for-19-november-2012/
Thanks.  The quote by Harry Browne ("Given the results of the War on Poverty and the War on Drugs, if the government starts a War on Abortion, in five years men will be having abortions." —Harry Browne) at the end was a win quote. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 17, 2013, 11:46:05 PM
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This women is an elitist asshole!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2013, 12:07:45 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 17, 2013, 11:46:05 PM
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This women is an elitist asshole!
Though to be fair, I've seen DrinkingWithBob's videos and he is a conservative douche.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 18, 2013, 12:27:01 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 18, 2013, 12:07:45 AM
Though to be fair, I've seen DrinkingWithBob's videos and he is a conservative douche.

Better than that crazy lady.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 18, 2013, 01:19:14 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 18, 2013, 12:27:01 AM
Better than that crazy lady.

And having your head chopped off is less painfull than being hanged from the ceiling fan by your cock for a week. That makes it objectively better.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 18, 2013, 08:14:45 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 18, 2013, 06:14:15 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 18, 2013, 12:27:01 AM
Better than that crazy lady.

if you mean that in the sense of having your belly stuffed with concrete is worse than having your balls crushed in broken glass...either way, not good for you, and likely fatal.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 18, 2013, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 18, 2013, 06:14:15 PM
if you mean that in the sense of having your belly stuffed with concrete is worse than having your balls crushed in broken glass...either way, not good for you, and likely fatal.

Gumba's was better than yours. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 18, 2013, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 18, 2013, 07:05:34 PM
Gumba's was better than yours. :P

I didn't write it as competition, though reading Gumba's post, I have to concede.  :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on July 18, 2013, 07:39:29 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 17, 2013, 11:46:05 PM
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This women is an elitist asshole!

What's next? Isn't he going to tell us what's next?


On a more on topic note. This comment in the latest comment by adamdabester  on Shane's Latest video

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adamdabester 24 minutes ago

Quoteone of the many regulations dumped by the clinton administration was the Glass–Steagall Act, which separated the part of the banks you kept money in from the gambling stock market banks. which allowed the mortgage crisis to spiral out of control. also the ratings agencies supposedly rating stocks and funds for the banks were taking money in exchange for higher ratings fooling pension funds and mutual funds into investing in total shit, that's great regulation.

When he tried to claim that Canadas banks were so stable because they were strictly regulated. I know the Glass-Steagall thing is false but I odn't know enougha bout it personally to debunk this nonsense.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 19, 2013, 09:03:06 PM
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I always find it humorous when morons believe they're smart enough to speak on behalf of other people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on July 19, 2013, 09:11:37 PM
Quoteone of the many regulations dumped by the clinton administration was the Glass–Steagall Act, which separated the part of the banks you kept money in from the gambling stock market banks. which allowed the mortgage crisis to spiral out of control. also the ratings agencies supposedly rating stocks and funds for the banks were taking money in exchange for higher ratings fooling pension funds and mutual funds into investing in total shit, that's great regulation.



When he tried to claim that Canadas banks were so stable because they were strictly regulated. I know the Glass-Steagall thing is false but I odn't know enougha bout it personally to debunk this nonsense.

According to Investopedia, http://www.investopedia.com/articles/03/071603.asp (http://www.investopedia.com/articles/03/071603.asp) the Glass-Steagall thing is partially true. In 1929, it was believed that speculation in the stock market by commercial banks using depositor's money contributed to the stock market crash. It is unknown whether it did, or didn't, or to what extent.

In the intervening years, between 1933 and 1999, many experts in the financial industry voiced concerns that the act was "to harsh", (i.e. to much regulation for the purpose) and hindered opportunities. In 1999, congress (not Bill Clinton) repealed the Glass-Steagall act, and replaced it with the Gramm-Leach-Blilly Act, which allows some investment activities, but not as much as before the Glass-Steagall Act was ratified.

Also, of note: Senator Carter Glass invented the current Federal Reserve System, and had been Secretary of the Treasury. Congressman Steagall was chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 20, 2013, 08:03:12 PM
Decided to watch this guy's video for a differing opinion on the Detroit Bankruptcy. Why was I not surprised that his opinion was "MOAR TAXES AND SPENDING!"? For someone who claims that the problem is much more "complicated," his solution is overtly simple.

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Now for a REAL solution:

[yt]sYVMe6w5awY[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 21, 2013, 08:57:50 PM
Every comment by Wizkid2000 on your Atheism and Libertarianism videos are fails:

"So Stupid. Atheism is the believe there there is no god. The etymology of atheism is no a-theism(without believe in god), it is atheo-ism which means godless belief. How nice you get to claim the default position. "I'm right until you prove me wrong... because I say so!" I know you think the argument from ignorance is more of a guideline but really?" -- from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anP42zvPPRQ

"Wow! this takes me back! It's been years since I watched one of your videos. Still as dogmatic and closed minded as ever I see... God bless you (just an expression), you're at least consistent. I think you do libertarianism a real disservice when you graph your atheism on it. I don't see how anyone could take you seriously." -- from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO2YoTZbUr0
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 22, 2013, 01:20:47 AM
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See, this is what happens when you kinda like Bill Whittle.
Provided Whittle has a few vids that could be on here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on July 22, 2013, 04:17:25 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 21, 2013, 08:57:50 PM
Every comment by Wizkid2000 on your Atheism and Libertarianism videos are fails:

"So Stupid. Atheism is the believe there there is no god. The etymology of atheism is no a-theism(without believe in god), it is atheo-ism which means godless belief. How nice you get to claim the default position. "I'm right until you prove me wrong... because I say so!" I know you think the argument from ignorance is more of a guideline but really?" -- from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anP42zvPPRQ

"Wow! this takes me back! It's been years since I watched one of your videos. Still as dogmatic and closed minded as ever I see... God bless you (just an expression), you're at least consistent. I think you do libertarianism a real disservice when you graph your atheism on it. I don't see how anyone could take you seriously." -- from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO2YoTZbUr0

Is there a difference between "without belief in a god" and "godless belief"? Other than linguistic gymnastics, I mean.

He does, probably accidently, have a point about the atheism/libertarianism in as far as one is not necessarily related to the other. Some people might be put off the one because they disagree with the other, so maybe they should be handled on separate videos/topics/forums.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 22, 2013, 09:18:38 AM
QuoteI think if Zimmerman had it to do all over again, he would probably do it exactly the same way.  He got away with it after all.  And now he's famous and a folk hero amongst a bunch of people who fantasize that they too can kill a teenager that they don't like the looks of.

When the book and film money comes rolling in, and he sues broadcast news to settle for an undisclosed sum, the lesson will be complete:  "Does your life suck?  Are you a loser nobody?  Shoot a kid!  It helps if he's black, but anyone 'scary' will do!"

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,18945.msg338031.html#msg338031 (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,18945.msg338031.html#msg338031)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 22, 2013, 03:51:25 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/580246_461422180619962_783620293_n.jpg)

Oh I don't know...the kind of person that sees that one of those uses force to obtain the money, the other doesn't?

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 22, 2013, 04:05:19 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on July 22, 2013, 04:17:25 AMSome people might be put off the one because they disagree with the other, so maybe they should be handled on separate videos/topics/forums.

That would defeat the purpose.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FeatheredTerror on July 22, 2013, 07:08:00 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/22/opinion/sutter-roller-coaster-regulation/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

Great, people pushing for more regulations as a knee-jerk response to an event that was unusual to begin with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on July 23, 2013, 01:37:07 AM
I finally decided to bite and inquire as to what people mean when the y talk about how the flaws and corruption we bring up with government never happens in a "functioning democracy" and how "functioning democracies" never become oppressive or its impossible for them to become oppresive. I decided to finally bit and ask what a "functioning democracy" was.

QuoteFunctioning democracy = absence of corruption, democratically elected representatives, lack of lobbying and ownership of political power by private capital, leaders that have integrity, effective checks and balances that curtail any abusive power, law enforced such that no one is ever treated as above the law due to money/political power etc etc
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 23, 2013, 05:42:44 AM
so basically "functioning democracies" are a myth, and a pipe-dream, for a variety of reasons.

and they call us unrealistic...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 23, 2013, 07:54:19 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 23, 2013, 05:42:44 AM
and they call us unrealistic...

And say that OUR system has never existed!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 23, 2013, 10:46:49 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 23, 2013, 07:54:19 AM
And say that OUR system has never existed!
While talking about the "flaws and problems that occur when you have a free market".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on July 23, 2013, 12:12:39 PM
http://anarchism.pageabode.com/anarcho/the-austrian-delusion
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 23, 2013, 07:41:30 PM
I'm not sure what else to expect from a website called "Forward Progressives":

The Conservative March Toward a Society of Sociopaths (http://www.forwardprogressives.com/the-conservative-march-toward-a-society-of-sociopaths/)

If you think that was vomit-inducing, the comments in the reddit thread (http://"http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1it9mc/the_conservative_march_toward_a_society_of/") will make you vomit blood.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on July 23, 2013, 08:20:16 PM
I know this is old but Man the fail in this is strong

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 23, 2013, 11:18:26 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/374428_470688919693015_882376339_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 23, 2013, 11:22:02 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 23, 2013, 11:18:26 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/374428_470688919693015_882376339_n.jpg)

No guns? LOL! Chicago. Enough said.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 24, 2013, 12:37:25 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 23, 2013, 11:18:26 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/374428_470688919693015_882376339_n.jpg)

#1. Let's just forget the people the UK UHC killed.
#2. like BlameThe1st said, Chicago. Enough said.
#3. To steal more of our money.
#4. Anyone noticed that how they use a very vague term here?
#5. Who was it that has deported more immigrants than Bush? Oh, that's right, Obama.
#6.  Ya, because pointing a gun at someone and demanding more money, because they make more, is "fair"
#7. So, where is the money for that going to come from?
#8. Ya, band-aid solution.
#9. A ban on biology? Can we just Dihydrogen monoxide while we're at it?
#10. I'm sorry. Where does that car get its electric power? Oh, that's right! Coal!
#11. Ya, let's make it harder to fire bad workers.
#12. Ya, let's get employers less incentives to hire women.
#13. Ya, let's make so people are less likely to get jobs.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 24, 2013, 02:07:41 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 23, 2013, 07:54:19 AM
And say that OUR system has never existed!

two words for them: Catal Huyuk.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on July 24, 2013, 03:18:04 AM
agentssith PM'd me on YouTUbe with THIS gem.

QuoteI mean you know you can live like Grizzly Adams and avoid all that shit, right? What is stopping YOU?

I am SO fucking sick of this argument. SOmebody really needs ot make a video addresisng htis perticular strand of "love it or leave it"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 24, 2013, 04:16:02 AM
Quote from: tnu on July 24, 2013, 03:18:04 AM
agentssith PM'd me on YouTUbe with THIS gem.

I am SO fucking sick of this argument. SOmebody really needs ot make a video addresisng htis perticular strand of "love it or leave it"
Didn't govco actually stop a mountain man kind of guy from teaching people survival stuff not too long ago?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 24, 2013, 02:10:37 PM
Detroit, the New Greece (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/22/opinion/krugman-detroit-the-new-greece.html?_r=0)

QuoteThere are influential people out there who would like you to believe that Detroit's demise is fundamentally a tale of fiscal irresponsibility and/or greedy public employees. It isn't. For the most part, it's just one of those things that happens now and then in an ever changing economy.

It's Paul Krugman. What else do I need to say?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 24, 2013, 02:34:28 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 24, 2013, 02:10:37 PM
Detroit, the New Greece (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/22/opinion/krugman-detroit-the-new-greece.html?_r=0)

It's Paul Krugman. What else do I need to say?
I hate it when people pull out that "well it just happened" card with this kind of stuff.  Funny how it doesn't "just happen" when you have a free market...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on July 25, 2013, 06:09:36 PM
Wow check out this level of bullshit from agentssith

QuoteI am going to let you in on a little secret. It is all but impossible for an anonymous someone to ad hominem another anonymous someone by virtual contact over the internet. Do you know why? Because we can ONLY know each other by our positions!


That being said, you need to stop with the personal attacks and ad hominems against me, and deliberate misrepresentation of my positions. What you claim I claim (strawman) is wholly incorrect. I am quite sure at this point that you think that any of your opponent's thinking is circularly flawed in the way you just described and you are perplexed that folks can hold them. That is because they don't. I suppose there are people that hold those beliefs, but they are few and far between, are usually easy to spot and they make for boring conversations. All it takes is one. Case in point: this discussion/debate (or whatever you think it is) we are having.

I really don't feel like wasting my time listing your fallacies (if I have learned anything, the advent of the internet has come with it the invention of all new fallacies), but I would say that perhaps your most prominent one is 'appeal to faith'. Take this video (of Shane Killian is it?). For this video to forward a positive ideology, it must do much better than "You don't know and I don't know, so we should try it anyway. Because it is based on my assumptions that if you work from principles like freedom and voluntarism nothing can possibly go wrong! My principles are inherently good and there is no way they can be wrong!" See the similarities between that and religion? I do not make such assumptions. I am far more cynical than you realize. I am not a statist, nor a Socialist, nor a crapitalist, nor a fascist nor a liberal nor a conservative. I am not putting forth a positive ideology here. I am attacking and exposing the 'positive' ideology of libertarianism. I realize this makes libertarians angry, feeling like I am stealing their mojo "We are the anti-ideologues, not you!", but the fact is, Libertarianism even with all of its anti gubments and anti-this or that, makes its own over-ambitious a priori assumptions and posits them non sequitur: examples are the concept of property and voluntarism.

As you grow and mature, you should come to understand what I am saying.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 25, 2013, 09:48:30 PM
(http://media.cagle.com/29/2013/07/25/135120_600.jpg)

As opposed to government-based? Yes, because when government lends student loans like candy, everything is dandy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 25, 2013, 09:51:14 PM
(http://media.cagle.com/16/2013/07/25/135111_600.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on July 25, 2013, 10:22:59 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 25, 2013, 09:51:14 PM
(http://media.cagle.com/16/2013/07/25/135111_600.jpg)

what bothers me most about these cartoons is that i cant read the words on top DX
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 25, 2013, 10:41:24 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 26, 2013, 05:19:30 PM
[yt]VgDJ2vjBHfQ[/yt]

Detroit is a "libertarian" city? Excuse me while I laugh my flank off.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 26, 2013, 06:21:06 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 26, 2013, 05:19:30 PM
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Detroit is a "libertarian" city? Excuse me while I laugh my flank off.

Yeah, amazing how they want to ignore the fact that it's been run by big-government central-control Democrats for 50 years...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on July 26, 2013, 06:49:59 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 26, 2013, 05:19:30 PM
[yt]VgDJ2vjBHfQ[/yt]

Detroit is a "libertarian" city? Excuse me while I laugh my flank off.

(http://www.plognark.com/Art/Sketches/Blogsketches/2008/thestupiditburns.jpg)

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on July 27, 2013, 12:04:48 AM
http://www.salon.com/2013/06/13/grow_up_libertarians/

Oh my fluttershy is he still going at it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 27, 2013, 04:29:38 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 26, 2013, 06:21:06 PM
Yeah, amazing how they want to ignore the fact that it's been run by big-government central-control Democrats for 50 years...


Oh yeah, They totally lied about it. And their body language will only confirm it: look how that fuck-stick talks in a straight manner and a particularly stiff body, and how his eyes shift in the opposite direction from his dominant hand. That and the faint smile--the subtle hint that he's not even buying it (at least subconsciously). All schools of faraasah agree that these are the hallmarks of lying, which is confirmed by several papers, and a game theory video.

and give me a micrometer, and I'll bet his nose has swollen too--as a liar's does (yeah, that shit is real too, though not like in Pinocchio).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 27, 2013, 08:17:07 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sanjay-sanghoee/libertarian-tea-party_b_3660159.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 27, 2013, 11:44:03 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Yra0Nxh.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 28, 2013, 08:15:29 AM
This is almost so bad it's hilarious.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 28, 2013, 02:49:13 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_18649_5-ridiculous-ancient-beliefs-that-turned-out-to-be-true.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 28, 2013, 11:00:41 PM
Another case of "I would be a libertarian but we've never seen a pure libertarian society" argument. Because shifting the burden of proof is totally a cool thing for so called skeptics to do!

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 28, 2013, 11:23:04 PM
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Every single comment by Maersklandro on the above video is an epic fail.  He seriously is saying that everything is a part of the free market. I wish I was making that up.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 29, 2013, 04:47:23 PM
This fail is just too funny for words...

from the Detroit 2014 NasFic bid page http://detroitin2014.org/ (http://detroitin2014.org/):

QuotePrime downtown location in the center of a revitalized Detroit

Is anyone taking book on whether there's still going to BE a Detroit in a year's time?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 29, 2013, 08:49:37 PM
I suspect this is bullshit, but can't quite pin my finger on it:

(https://upworthy-production.s3.amazonaws.com/nugget/51ed57140c966c7a18006343/attachments/teachers-dont-work-hard-enough-think-again_51dad7447e53a.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 30, 2013, 08:15:25 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 29, 2013, 08:49:37 PM
I suspect this is bullshit, but can't quite pin my finger on it:

(https://upworthy-production.s3.amazonaws.com/nugget/51ed57140c966c7a18006343/attachments/teachers-dont-work-hard-enough-think-again_51dad7447e53a.jpg)

Well, the summer stuff is obviously crap.  The 'continuing education' cited is actually the stuff DURING the school year.  You only have to do all that planning and preparation full-scale once if you do it properly, then just adjust it a bit to cover any curriculum adjustments each year.  Lesson planning and preparation is the same deal:  You do it once PROPERLY and you only have to tweek it afterwards (unless they dump a major curriculum change on you).  Almost no teachers provide out-of-class help sessions.  Meetings are actually pretty rare, home visits are unheard of, parent-teacher meetings (other than for major issues that normally go at least up to the school administration level) are no more than three a year.  Oh, and school days are six to seven hours long in most places in Canada (with at most 6 hours of instructional time, often about 5), often only 6 hours in the US, not eight.  Grading is mostly done during classes (while students are working on in-class work) or during recesses, lunch breaks, and free periods or while supervising areas that aren't apt to be rowdy.

I notice they list training twice for the summer, including the blatantly false claim that teachers keep up on the latest research in their field.  University professors are the only teaching personnel who do that, and not for the purpose of teaching (although I recall twice in microbiology courses having the proff come back from a conference just about bursting with excitement to tell us how some basic features of microbes we'd been taught earlier in the course were actually completely different after all). There are many fields where things haven't changed in decades.  English literature courses are usually static on a multi-decade level.  Math is the same.  Science courses change faster, but mostly because what was bleeding-edge stuff a century ago is high-school level now because of all the new stuff.

Oh yes, there's another obvious error:  Where do the teachers who teach summer school do all that stuff in the summer if they're busy teaching summer school (which is filled mostly with two kinds of kids, the ones who had a failing year and the ones who really excel and want to get ahead of their peers, both of which need more attention)?

There, that should be enough to be going on with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 30, 2013, 03:35:11 PM
The comic is called "Capitalism":

(http://i.imgur.com/HfFKNGI.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 30, 2013, 04:30:10 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 30, 2013, 08:25:09 PM
(https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/s720x720/970303_473858582709382_1945169604_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on July 30, 2013, 10:10:42 PM
Welp. More internet arguments, this time with one kitsumekat on deviantart. The thread starts here (http://comments.deviantart.com/1/388254225/3147894588) in response to this video/article: The Upward Spiral of Capitalism and the End of Poverty (http://bigthink.com/videos/the-upward-spiral-of-capitalism-and-the-end-of-poverty)

More in there than I want to quote here, so here's a snippit; theirs in red and mine in blue:

Even in countries where free market is allowed to function, you still can't buy a piece of fruit because the price is too high.

Name first the countries where the free market is allowed to function and the poor are unable to afford food.

You're living in one. The US is still ranked in the top 10 of free market countries but have a crap load of programs to try and free the poor.

The US govt colludes with businesses to give competitive advantages to the politically connected. That's corporatism, not the free market.

By your standards? www.heritage.org/index/ranking The US is still in the top ten of being a free market country.

...the US (76/100) doesn't even fall into [the index's] "free" category, which supports my point that the US leans more towards a corporatist economy than a free market.

I guess Capitalism is Corporist (sic) then.

Gog it, why do I even bother with these kinds?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 30, 2013, 10:37:51 PM
Quote from: D on July 30, 2013, 04:30:10 PM
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yeah, Forward into the machine guns...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 30, 2013, 10:47:28 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on July 30, 2013, 10:10:42 PM
Welp. More internet arguments, this time with one kitsumekat on deviantart. The thread starts here (http://comments.deviantart.com/1/388254225/3147894588) in response to this video/article: The Upward Spiral of Capitalism and the End of Poverty (http://bigthink.com/videos/the-upward-spiral-of-capitalism-and-the-end-of-poverty)

More in there than I want to quote here, so here's a snippit; theirs in red and mine in blue:

Even in countries where free market is allowed to function, you still can't buy a piece of fruit because the price is too high.

Name first the countries where the free market is allowed to function and the poor are unable to afford food.

You're living in one. The US is still ranked in the top 10 of free market countries but have a crap load of programs to try and free the poor.

The US govt colludes with businesses to give competitive advantages to the politically connected. That's corporatism, not the free market.

By your standards? www.heritage.org/index/ranking The US is still in the top ten of being a free market country.

...the US (76/100) doesn't even fall into [the index's] "free" category, which supports my point that the US leans more towards a corporatist economy than a free market.

I guess Capitalism is Corporist (sic) then.

Gog it, why do I even bother with these kinds?

If you actually look at the information on the page (which clearly the cultist didn't) it shows that the US is still in the top ten not because of changes in US policy (which actually lowered the rating from last year) but because the old number nine, Ireland, lowered its' rating by much more than the US did, dropping to eleven and leaving the US in the tenth place when it dropped behind DENMARK, of all places.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 30, 2013, 10:55:11 PM
OK, here's some economic data I expect everyone here is at least passingly familiar with, the listings of debt to GDP ratios around the world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt)

Check out Finland.  The IMF and the CIA can't even agree whether Finland is in debt or not!  I'm leaning towards this being fail from the IMF, not just on the general principle that the IMF is fail in general, but because so many (although not all) of their numbers are substantially rosier than the CIA's.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 30, 2013, 11:26:01 PM
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All pulled right out the ass, as is blatant to anyone who actually *watched* the show.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 01, 2013, 12:33:13 AM
http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_632_15-true-stories-that-will-make-you-believe-in-karma/
15, 14, and 9 are epic fails.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on August 01, 2013, 06:33:09 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on July 30, 2013, 10:10:42 PM
Welp. More internet arguments, this time with one kitsumekat on deviantart. The thread starts here (http://comments.deviantart.com/1/388254225/3147894588) in response to this video/article: The Upward Spiral of Capitalism and the End of Poverty (http://bigthink.com/videos/the-upward-spiral-of-capitalism-and-the-end-of-poverty)

And here's an update full of fail. Again, theirs in red and mine in blue:

Thanks for providing evidence that you don't care about anything which doesn't support your belief. Either you're saying the free market caused the starvation [at Plymouth Plantation], which means you're ignoring the fact that the socialist model was in place during that time, NOT the private property model, OR you're ignoring the substance of the argument entirely.

You keep bring up the free market model while failing to realize that in a free market, there would be no communial efforts. You think your fellow man will feed and clothe you just because?

Thanks for providing further evidence that you don't care about facts when they don't support your belief. Plymouth Plantation started off as a forced communal effort and nearly died out. When they switched to a free-market model, they thrived, in the face of worsening conditions, no less. You've been given the opportunity to ask why, and instead chose to again say it can't, contrary to the evidence.

Dogmatism at its finest.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 02, 2013, 02:54:22 PM
(http://madatoms.com/uploads/content/images/backgrounds/large/article_SocialismChart.jpg)

Excuse me, I think I may be suffering from an aneurysm out of sheer stupidity.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 02, 2013, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 02, 2013, 02:54:22 PM
Excuse me, I think I may be suffering from an aneurysm out of sheer stupidity.
Excuse me while I join you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 03, 2013, 12:52:35 PM
(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/212/d/4/anti_libertarianism_stamp_by_fuzz3knavel-d6g2zl3.png)

If you think that's bad, just read the screed (http://www.deviantart.com/art/Anti-libertarianism-Stamp-389810343) posted with it:

QuoteWhy hello there, another stamp from yours truly.

I decided to make a stamp against Libertarianism, since I see it as a flawed political ideology.

But you said you follow Communist political ideologies?

Perhaps you should read the Communist Manifesto some time, when it comes to Communism, there is many different forms of Communism, be it traditional Marxism, Leninism, or Stalinism (the most popular forms), I would more of a Marxist-Leninist Commie (even though my views are left wing), but leave it to the US government in the times after World War 1 and 2 to have the red scare and misinterpret it as an oppressive form of government (when in reality, many of these "communists" where batshit insane, even North Korea isn't communist)

Then why did I make this against Libertarianism?

Well perhaps you should hear me out, Libertarianism claims to be in between the wings, in other words, being Liberal and Conservative at the same time. It's chaos, plus their most defining traits, They want absolutely no taxes of any form, little or no government at all, are loved by anarchists, and their most well known trait, legalize drugs. While I am not really for drug legalization, nor do I really care about drugs, they have their biggest contradiction, tax the crap out of drugs, like with Alcohol and tobacco, only tax the crap out of hard drugs instead. Yet earlier, they said they don't want any taxes at all.

Another wild claim of the Libertarian party is that their for personal freedoms, yet so far, the most popular "Libertarians" Ron and Rand Paul, are nothing more than Republicans concerned with getting votes with younger people. It has been proven that Ron Paul is nothing more than your typical Republican, a young-earth Creationist, who is a racist, gun loving, bible thumping, is against separation of church and state, anti-public education, and is incredibly homophobic. Same can be applied to his son Rand. Sure they may have a few Libertarian ideologies, but in the end, they're just concerned with getting votes (and you wonder why they didn't go through with republican nomination for president last year).

Libertarianism is nothing more than an incredibly contradicting, corrupt, vile, and inefficient political ideology that our country just doesn't need, sure I'm for more parties, however Libertarians would just make things worse than better.

If you are a Libertarian, and you where offended by this, just remember, this is  MY OPINION .

I have the right to speak my mind out and tell people why I don't agree with the Libertarian system, but I don't want comments spamming me "OMG UR Wrong, Rand Paul 2016!!!!!!!11!!111", any comments along those lines will just be marked as spam.

Pfft. I just "love" how he tries to cover his flank by pulling the "but it's only my opinion" card! Seems to be the tactic of most intellectual cowards.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 03, 2013, 02:38:12 PM
No one has said it yet, but in the comments of Shane's latest video, Mandragara's comments are just woefully stupid.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 03, 2013, 10:16:35 PM
Quote from: D on August 03, 2013, 02:38:12 PM
No one has said it yet, but in the comments of Shane's latest video, Mandragara's comments are just woefully stupid.

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In my defense, I was going to post something like this, but just never got around to it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 04, 2013, 01:00:31 AM
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/3-dystopian-ways-were-fighting-obesity-epidemic/
Given these are govco "solutions," they will not work.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 04, 2013, 01:02:39 PM
This gu y k eeps yaming about Market fialures and how this supposedly jsutifies government action. I honeslty odn't know enougha bout the subject and am not usr e how to respond.

Quote
I already addressed this point. Read the last portion of my previous reply, because you're sounding like a broken record player. And you're one to talk about baseless assumptions, let alone relevant ones.

When the hell did I claim my alternative was flawless? What do you mean by government free-riders? Bureaucrats? Welfare recipients? I do believe that any unemployment insurance scheme needs to adhere closely to the adage that people respond to incentives. But what are you insinuating, that because there is a potential for abuse (particularly for poorly designed policies) the government should cease to exist? Your free market alternative doesn't have a savoury track record. Governments can sometimes intervene to address market failures. End of story. Tax revenue can be used efficiently. Also, taxes themselves can function to alter behaviour for the better - excise taxes on alcohol, tobacco, environmental degradation, gasoline, and carbon emissions come to mind. Your ideas are so crass.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on August 04, 2013, 11:07:31 PM
And here's some quick'n'easy fail from some MiserableOldFart. No, I'm not name-calling, that's actually his handle.

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Gog I wish this video had vote up/down buttons for the comments.

MiserableOldFart in red, me in blue.

Friedman and his economic theories were FRAUDS. Grow the fuck up. Unregulated capitalism IS worse than communism, but I don't advocate EITHER.

"Unregulated capitalism IS worse than communism" -- False, but not for the reason you might think. You incorrectly assume that either regulation would not exist in a free market, or it is somehow the exclusive province of govt. The former ignores the fact that regulation is an economic good; the latter supports monopolization. Would you like to clarify your assumption, or would you prefer to re-evaluate your position altogether?

Neither. Unregulated capitalism has never, ever existed for long in there real world. Communistic societies (with a small "c" when not at the beginning of a sentence) have endured successfully for thousands of years. Regulation is indeed the province of government. There is no such thing as "self regulation," and the "invisible hand" isn't regulation either. The fantasy that unregulated corp.s would be [shunned] by consumers assumes consumers would know, which, without regs, they would not.

In summation: Friedman was a fraud, and so are the policies he advocated. And yes, he got a Nobel in Economics, but Henry Kissinger got the Nobel Peace prize. At any rate a REAL economist, Paul Krugman also got the Econ Nobel, and he earned it.

Gog it all. Why oh why do I even bother?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 04, 2013, 11:56:16 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on August 04, 2013, 11:07:31 PM
And here's some quick'n'easy fail from some MiserableOldFart. No, I'm not name-calling, that's actually his handle.

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Gog I wish this video had vote up/down buttons for the comments.

MiserableOldFart in red, me in blue.

Friedman and his economic theories were FRAUDS. Grow the fuck up. Unregulated capitalism IS worse than communism, but I don't advocate EITHER.

"Unregulated capitalism IS worse than communism" -- False, but not for the reason you might think. You incorrectly assume that either regulation would not exist in a free market, or it is somehow the exclusive province of govt. The former ignores the fact that regulation is an economic good; the latter supports monopolization. Would you like to clarify your assumption, or would you prefer to re-evaluate your position altogether?

Neither. Unregulated capitalism has never, ever existed for long in there real world. Communistic societies (with a small "c" when not at the beginning of a sentence) have endured successfully for thousands of years. Regulation is indeed the province of government. There is no such thing as "self regulation," and the "invisible hand" isn't regulation either. The fantasy that unregulated corp.s would be [shunned] by consumers assumes consumers would know, which, without regs, they would not.

In summation: Friedman was a fraud, and so are the policies he advocated. And yes, he got a Nobel in Economics, but Henry Kissinger got the Nobel Peace prize. At any rate a REAL economist, Paul Krugman also got the Econ Nobel, and he earned it.

Gog it all. Why oh why do I even bother?
Did he seriously just say that capitalism is worse than communism...while claiming capitalism has never existed in the real world?
This is your brain on statism, people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 05, 2013, 01:31:52 PM
From the comments of this video:
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"Sure Iran is only getting nucler power for peaceful purposes. They said so themselves. Just like India, Israel and Pakistan also said they created nuclear power plants only for peaceful purposes, and we all know they dont have nukes... oh wait......"--JegHarEnLillePik
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 05, 2013, 08:13:54 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 05, 2013, 01:31:52 PM
From the comments of this video:
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"Sure Iran is only getting nucler power for peaceful purposes. They said so themselves. Just like India, Israel and Pakistan also said they created nuclear power plants only for peaceful purposes, and we all know they dont have nukes... oh wait......"--JegHarEnLillePik

completely ignoring the fact that the Iranian government has so far had a pretty good track record of refusing to use or produce unconventional weapons, even when they have been attacked with such weapons *cough*Saddam*cough*

for that you'd have to thank their religious council, as well as the fact that, being the inventors of Chivalry, the Iranians are just to stubborn and proud for that shit.

If they are building a nuclear weapon (or considering it), I would be very impressed: it would mean that the (secular element of) government there is both ballsy (for defying the religious council), and stupid (will inevitably piss off council--did I mention America?)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 06, 2013, 12:12:41 PM
Quote from: tnu on August 04, 2013, 01:02:39 PM
This gu y k eeps yaming about Market fialures and how this supposedly jsutifies government action. I honeslty odn't know enougha bout the subject and am not usr e how to respond.

Allow me.

"I already addressed this point. Read the last portion of my previous reply, because you're sounding like a broken record player. And you're one to talk about baseless assumptions, let alone relevant ones."
Says the statist whom I'll bet dollars to donuts is about to repeat the EXACT same arguments I've heard from every hack job debater for the past 10 years with no variation whatsoever.

"When the hell did I claim my alternative was flawless?"
It doesn't need to be flawless but it does need to be morally consistent (and it isn't) and it does need to acomplish the goals it states it will (and it doesn't).

"What do you mean by government free-riders? Bureaucrats? Welfare recipients?"
And that's just the tip of the iceburg.  How about the richest generation in America living on the backs of the poorest?  I dare you to defend that.

"I do believe that any unemployment insurance scheme needs to adhere closely to the adage that people respond to incentives."
Then you shouldn't support government because it's policies seem to be utterly oblivious to this fact.  "We pay people to stay poor and for some reason, they're still poor!?  DERP!!!"

"But what are you insinuating, that because there is a potential for abuse (particularly for poorly designed policies) the government should cease to exist?"
No, potential implies something MIGHT happen.  The abuse spoken of here is standard procedure.  It's always been there case and there's no evidence that it's going to change any time soon.  Shall I spell it out for you?   Governments being bought and paid for by special interests, mainly the rich, IS. NOT. A. NEW. THING.
Is that clear enough for you?

"Your free market alternative doesn't have a savoury track record."
Citation needed please.
Plus considering yours is the one that engages in warfare, deficit spending and immoral imprisonment, you're really in no position to talk.

"Governments can sometimes intervene to address market failures. End of story."
Sure they can.  The question is, do they actually solve them?
Well, I don't see the economy improving, do you?

"Tax revenue can be used efficiently."
No, no they can't.  Mises mathematically proved back in the 30's that government CANNOT be efficient even under the most ideal scenario imaginable.  If you disagree, then research his findings and point out where he's gone wrong.  He did his homework.  Now the ball is in your court to do yours.  Your word is not good enough.

"Also, taxes themselves can function to alter behaviour for the better - excise taxes on alcohol, tobacco, environmental degradation, gasoline, and carbon emissions come to mind."
You mean like the time you banned alcohol and everyone stopped drinking?
Or how nobody does drugs now because you banned that?
Or how about how New Yorkers are all slim, trim, men and women of steel thanks go Mayor Bloomberg's policies?
I could go on forever....

"Your ideas are so crass."
We're not the ones who have to point guns at people to make them accept ours.  Barbarian...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 06, 2013, 12:45:19 PM
Thanks again Hawkeye. a lifesave ras always..
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 06, 2013, 05:00:08 PM
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The fail begins at "however."

I don't care how much advertising is done for unhealthy food, at the end of the day, it's MY CHOICE to eat that shit.

As someone who would be considered obese, I'm entirely at fault for choosing to eat the way I do. I'm not going to sue McDonald's because they agreed to sell me the double cheeseburgers that I wanted.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 07, 2013, 11:39:06 AM
(http://cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com/412013211849funnycomicnordiccountriesAmericaneducation.jpg)

I want to say apple to oranges, but this seems more like apples to lawn chairs.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 07, 2013, 02:05:53 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 07, 2013, 11:39:06 AM
(http://cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com/412013211849funnycomicnordiccountriesAmericaneducation.jpg)

I want to say apple to oranges, but this seems more like apples to lawn chairs.
A lot could be said here, so I guess I'll stick with the most obvious point.  We are NOT the state!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 07, 2013, 04:19:04 PM
Ugh still at it. fail in red my stuff in blue.


You want to use violence to control people's peaceful behaviors and you're calling my ideas crass. This is a joke! As for murder. How are you equating peaceful behavior which you don't like with outright violence? Drugs and alcahole don't even BEGIN to compare to murder.

So you want your cake and to eat it too. You just implicitly conceded to having rules regulating infractions like murder and theft. You just contradicted yourself, not me. Also, drug-use does have a negative effect on bystanders, including drunk driving and second-hand smoke. One person's actions are indeed impacting another. In fact, both of these external affects account for more excruciating deaths than does direct murder.


Whether it be a direct ban like alcohol in the early twentieth century or drugs now. Or whether it be an indirect "incentive" like a vice tax. Or something in between like Bloomberg's dieting laws. They DO NOT WORK.

Actually, I don't support prohibition on alcohol. However, excise taxes have reduced pollution, road congestion, tobacco consumption, etc. You're the one that is making baseless assumptions. If you want evidence, there is a plethora of research I can refer you to.


Oh by the way. Have you paid the $100 to my friend's webcomic? (I decided to use Hawkeye's Social contract as an example of how inane the idea is)


How would this surpass due process? You'd have to gain support, legislate it, and defend it on legal grounds. Your analogies are flawed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 07, 2013, 04:47:18 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/s720x720/563010_521208661282684_592454330_n.jpg)

It's kind of hard to read because of how blurry it is, but if you can make it out, it's still tons of fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 08, 2013, 01:45:30 AM
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/vomit
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 08, 2013, 03:14:27 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 08, 2013, 01:45:30 AM
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/vomit


I don't get this video: you don't ask random people this question: most don't know the difference between jack and shit , and they're going around doing that?

also, I understand that as a negative philosophical position, it doesn't even need to account for these things?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 08, 2013, 07:02:05 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/jzfaEKB.jpg)

Sigh, do I have to say anything at this point?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 08, 2013, 08:08:15 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 08, 2013, 07:02:05 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/jzfaEKB.jpg)

Sigh, do I have to say anything at this point?

Sorry about the low quality, but it was the only video I could find online of this segment (NOT fail BTW):

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 08, 2013, 11:49:50 AM
A recent post on Yo, Is This Racist? (http://yoisthisracist.com/post/57660118619/anonymous-asked-i-used-to-be-a-libertarian-then):

Quoteanonymous asked: I used to be a libertarian, then i graduated high school and got better. My dumb racist beliefs also died not long after that.

Honestly, I get how Libertarianism might seem logical, if you're super stupid, have no understanding of how the world works, and are a piece of shit teenager. Everyone else, you have no excuse. Piece of shit teenagers, you actually don't have any excuse either.

Sigh, why do I even bother visiting that blog? No good comes from it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 08, 2013, 01:34:24 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 08, 2013, 11:49:50 AM
A recent post on Yo, Is This Racist? (http://yoisthisracist.com/post/57660118619/anonymous-asked-i-used-to-be-a-libertarian-then):

Sigh, why do I even bother visiting that blog? No good comes from it.
The race card! What's in your wallet?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 08, 2013, 01:39:35 PM
Forget my last post: this is by far the stupidest post I've seen on Yo, Is This Racist? (http://yoisthisracist.com/post/56999618296/anonymous-asked-is-batman-racist-probably-yeah)

Quoteanonymous asked: is batman racist. probably yeah

Yo, what could possibly be racist about a white billionaire running around at night exacting vigilante violence?

Batman is racist? WTF?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 08, 2013, 08:32:29 PM
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I don't know what's more depressing, that Thomas Sowell is promoting aggressive action against Iran and falling for the same bullshit that got us into Iraq, or that LibertyPen is promoting Thomas Sowell promoting aggressive action against Iran and falling for the same bullshit that got us into Iraq.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 09, 2013, 01:09:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/QqQv1C5.jpg)

Excuse me while I go vomit blood. My stomach cannot handle such willful ignorance.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FeatheredTerror on August 09, 2013, 02:41:16 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 09, 2013, 01:09:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/QqQv1C5.jpg)

Excuse me while I go vomit blood. My stomach cannot handle such willful ignorance.

I think someone needs to watch Shane's videos on Atheism and Libertarianism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 09, 2013, 03:47:57 PM
QuoteMe and my buddies voted before hand, if people dont want to be part of our democracy they can leave. By not leaving they consent to anything we might do!

Your not really capturing the states argument... Probably because you're being a bit sarcastic. However, I'm curious about your actual response to this...

If you and your buddies were limited to coercing each other to contribute to the welfare fund then you'd be on the ball. Of course, you say such a vote gives you authority to boss around everyone.

Now the state does give most people the right to decide via democracy. The exceptions being those under the age of 18, illegal immigrants, and those who have lost their voting rights thanks to criminal histories. Now it is undeniable that such democracy is being forced on these people but the common person has the option to be a deciding factor within the democracy.

You could argue that you allowed everyone to vote in your buddies election system but clearly the opportunity and knowledge is not the same as in the governmental elections. There is an expansive campaign to inform the polling base and localized opportunities to vote where your buddies election system lacks both qualities.

A separate issue, but one that might speak a bit on the issue at hand passively is on the NAP itself. If the rule of the NAP is to not aggress against someone, how does the NAP work at all? Thanks to how the NAP operates it is an aggressive act to define any action as aggressive in the first place. Defining an act (ie. kicking) as aggressive means the person who would kick is now forbidden from performing the act of kicking. But forbidding the act of kicking is an act of aggression to whose who would otherwise perform the act... There is always the implicit we'll kick your ass/starve you if you violate the NAP.

This is remarkably similar to your sarcastic theory on voting. If no one can define what is it to be aggressive (because such an act is a violation of the NAP) then the NAP says nothing other then you're not allowed to talk about what would violate the NAP. As such a discussion is impossible without defining actions as aggressive which is against the NAP.

Now the problem to this is that I need to define "aggression" without violating the NAP... To this I simply say that the NAP doesn't mean anything without the definition of aggression understood. It's just a random assortment of characters until the definitions for "non," "aggression," and "principle" are understood.

So we have a definition for aggression as an idea that some act is violent and/or forceful. Cool. One problem. Saying an act is "aggressive" is in itself aggressive because it's implicitly understood if I perform said act you'll kick my ass or arraign for me to be starved to death. So you violate the NAP by enforcing the NAP. The NAP is reduced to pointlessness and nonsense.

Any rebuttals?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 09, 2013, 03:50:56 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on August 09, 2013, 03:47:57 PM
Any rebuttals?

1) Social contract garbage again

2) Conflating defensive with aggressive force
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 09, 2013, 11:26:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvxw9ACcnGY&lc=wnJSxO8Fp53eJpR2HKaDwc9iSgV32C-WajQSwd1l73U
Stabbedagainandagain in the comments...

I knew this guy was a kook early on but when he cited MAOISTREBELNEWS2 as his source...I seriously thought he was joking for a second.
Yeah, another idiot who doesn't want to face reality that Mao was a mass murderer who caused one of the worst famines in history and it's not like his plan looked good on paper either.  I have yet to meet a single person who didn't laugh at his "tell the farmers to make steel" idea.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 10, 2013, 01:59:37 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 09, 2013, 01:09:10 PM(http://i.imgur.com/QqQv1C5.jpg)
That is Jack Chick (Google it :P) levels of terrible.  That poster's OP is projecting so hard we could use him to summon batman.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 10, 2013, 06:57:46 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/s720x720/1146586_471920352903478_1923486074_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 10, 2013, 08:05:32 AM
Quote from: D on August 10, 2013, 06:57:46 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/s720x720/1146586_471920352903478_1923486074_n.png)

This is an OUTRIGHT LIE. S&P did NOT raise the US government's credit rating; it remains at AA+. IT HAS NOT BEEN RAISED TO AAA like the graphic implies. All they're saying is that they're confident it's not going to get WORSE.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 10, 2013, 02:38:57 PM
Esprit just hit the dumbass jackpot in TWO different threads.

http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=78985

QuoteOk everyone, you've all witnessed it. This is what arguing with TNU boils down to. Notice he completely glosses over your relevant arguments, isolates a one-liner, then whines and pontificates his views. Dropping the pretense of arguments? You didn't even answer my reply, dingus.



Tnu, I officially grant you the exclusive title of Poster-boy for Anarchist Stupidity, or PAS.

I'm done here, PAS. All you're doing is avoiding my arguments by claiming that I've failed to make any in the first place. That's when you know it's time to call it quits.

http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=79017

QuoteActually, ordinary citizens ARE the ones delegated with the authority to make these decisions, based on an electoral vote. Secondly, you're distorting my stance on government policy methods. I did elaborate on how taxes and regulation are needed to enhance the vitality of society. This also rings true when we're devising innovative solutions for complicated problems (Pigo tax or financial regulation). However, you just sit on your ass and flat out deny the need for traffic regulation (i.e. speed limits and drunk driving). Even the exorbitantly affluent 1% of society relies on basic infrastructure, defense, and law enforcement. It's conducive to our economic and overall well-being. You also deny the need for property rights. Good luck alluring both domestic and international businesses to invest in your lawless and ultimately degenerate society. Better yet, enjoy the large corporations exploiting your resources and raw-material. It's all worth it, right.

Poster-boy for Anarchist Stupidity (PAS), you decidedly proclaimed in the post below that binding rules are unnecessary given human morality; nothing could go wrong. In reality, your implicit solution is plutocratic domination (yeah you're going to straw man me, I'll do it to you, you bastard). And you're accusing -me- of thinking like a religious zealot? Like a docile child with no capacity for critical thinking?


Who cannameall the fallacies and spot all the bad lciched arguments that statists have beenusingsince the dawn of time?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2013, 03:37:18 PM
From the comments of this video (not a fail!): 

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Every comment by darktango78 is an epic fail.  Just...holy shit.  I honestly thought he was joking at first when he brought up Project Steve and that survey of philosophers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 11, 2013, 04:17:11 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 11, 2013, 03:37:18 PM
From the comments of this video (not a fail!): 

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Every comment by darktango78 is an epic fail.  Just...holy shit.  I honestly thought he was joking at first when he brought up Project Steve and that survey of philosophers.

Not as bad as agentsith in Part 5 saying that Empires don't count as states.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2013, 04:21:53 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 11, 2013, 04:17:11 PM
Not as bad as agentsith in Part 5 saying that Empires don't count as states.
Holy shit. O_O
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 11, 2013, 06:39:41 PM
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Disgusting.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on August 11, 2013, 07:28:12 PM
Quote from: D on August 11, 2013, 06:39:41 PM
[yt]Ftk9K7WhMf4[/yt]

Disgusting.

And another video with comment pending approval. you know that is one of the sure signs of spinelessness
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 11, 2013, 07:45:24 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on August 11, 2013, 07:28:12 PM
And another video with comment pending approval. you know that is one of the sure signs of spinelessness

With not a single one posted in 2+ months. Well, at least maybe the moderator will see mine and have a twinge of regret:

"I lost someone I love, my dear wife, to a drunk driver. I find this ad beyond reprehensible. To take tragedies like this and twist them for the sake of your political agenda--even though there's no reason whatsoever to believe that private liquor sales increase drunk driving--takes a very special kind of immoral psychopath.

"If I met the people who made this ad, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves in their uncaring, indecent, ostentatious asses."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 11, 2013, 08:01:46 PM
What I caught was that two of the videos being suggested afterwards were "REAL ALIEN HYBRID" and "Submarine warfare"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 11, 2013, 08:18:47 PM
Going back to that stupid ad, I'm going to throw this in here too because of the fail from Wendell Young (president of the union behind the add) and C. Stephen Ernie of the PA DUI Association.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 12, 2013, 01:03:33 AM
I could swear I saw an ad almost (if not) identical to this from MADD a few years back, except the ending was changed to fit whatever issue was on the table at the time. (Allowing Bars and Restaurants to serve later for "special events" I believe.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 12, 2013, 08:31:40 AM
Quote from: D on August 11, 2013, 06:39:41 PM
[yt]Ftk9K7WhMf4[/yt]

Disgusting.

worse than what we got here in Ontario maybe 15 years ago because the province was talking about maybe doing away with the LCBO stores (a mechanism that was set up when Prohibition was repealed).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 12, 2013, 03:35:43 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/1148814_205638629596381_818726089_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 13, 2013, 10:39:36 PM
So since I don't feel like using my magical powers of necropolis to resurrect this thread (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=1322.msg11889#msg11889)

So in that class, we are discussing the engineering problems with why the barriers (or whatever) in New Orleans failed.  I bring up the bits Shane did in his free market video of people being pushed into moving there by govco housing projects and one student says,
"Well no, they weren't forced to move there." /facepalm

Really, the constant ignoring of the incentives, etc they do in that fucktarded ethics class reminds me of an ep of Dilbert where all the higher ups and managers and colluding with govco, stealing, etc, while the actual engineers have to go to an ethics class to "teach them not to steal."  I mean, talk about ignoring the elephant in the room.

Another fun bit was talking about whistle blowers sometimes even suggesting that they deserve to get fired/ostracized as they didn't suggest a solution to the problem, hur dur!  Nope, sorry, they don't owe you that, anymore than an atheist owes you a cure for cancer when he says prayer won't cure it.  Get over yourselves.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on August 13, 2013, 11:02:31 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1013458_609620982390011_146945246_n.jpg)

Oh my throbbing head.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 13, 2013, 11:06:22 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on August 13, 2013, 11:02:31 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1013458_609620982390011_146945246_n.jpg)

Oh my throbbing head.

Completely forgetting that had hitler been one this would not have occurred (that and the straw man of the non-aggression principle)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 13, 2013, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on August 13, 2013, 11:02:31 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1013458_609620982390011_146945246_n.jpg)

Oh my throbbing head.
Nevermind that fact that, had the USA been running on libertarian principles in the first place then and around WWI, the horrors wouldn't have even happened to begin with.  Treaty of Versailes anyone?  Gotta love the people who think Hitler just appeared out of thin air...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 14, 2013, 01:01:58 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/5996b9072fd6298f766ed8c24471f7fb/tumblr_mqm9keKhgF1svgndto1_500.jpg)

Holy false equivalency Batman!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 14, 2013, 01:22:08 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 14, 2013, 01:01:58 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/5996b9072fd6298f766ed8c24471f7fb/tumblr_mqm9keKhgF1svgndto1_500.jpg)

Holy false equivalency Batman!
Are they seriously calling being wealthy a mental illness? O_o
And of course they special plead for govco which, last I checked steals over 1/2 of all our worldly wealth.  But no, they're not selfish, noooo!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 14, 2013, 02:47:52 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 14, 2013, 01:22:08 PM
Are they seriously calling being wealthy a mental illness? O_o
And of course they special plead for govco which, last I checked steals over 1/2 of all our worldly wealth.  But no, they're not selfish, noooo!

Actually, in a way it is a true equivalency. It just doesn't prove what the maker of the poster thinks it does. (It actually tells more about how we label people than it does about the people themselves) Just because someone has a collection of newspapers, doesn't make him crazy. Just because someone has a menagerie of pets, does not make them nuts. Just because someone acquired a measure of success does not make them .... uh, they didn't actually say what they were trying to imply .... does not mean they CAUSED the misfortune of someone else.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 14, 2013, 02:50:04 PM
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The following conversation I had with him:

BlameTheFirst: So the Constitution guarantees a woman the "right" to an abortion, even though it never mentions abortion, but yet it does not guarantee the right to buy an AK-47, even though it explicitly states that "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed"?

rdubwiley: Yes. The fourteenth amendment gives non-explicit rights such as life and privacy, while denying you the right to buy an AK-47 does not stop you from owning a gun.

WTF? An AK-47 is a gun! I mean, wow. Just wow!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 14, 2013, 03:27:57 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 14, 2013, 02:50:04 PM
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The following conversation I had with him:

BlameTheFirst: So the Constitution guarantees a woman the "right" to an abortion, even though it never mentions abortion, but yet it does not guarantee the right to buy an AK-47, even though it explicitly states that "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed"?

rdubwiley: Yes. The fourteenth amendment gives non-explicit rights such as life and privacy, while denying you the right to buy an AK-47 does not stop you from owning a gun.

WTF? An AK-47 is a gun! I mean, wow. Just wow!

I think what he's trying to claimis that you can always buy a musket or a BB gun. Or a Nerf gun or a pop gun.


but since i'm here I may as well post somebody's "rebuttal" to that public goods argument.

QuoteOh hey, sorry we couldn't put out your house fire. We didn't meet our fundraising goal for this year and responding to any further fires that are deemed non-critical because lives aren't at stake would put us over budget. As a non-profit, there's only so much we can do!

Oh hey, sux that you and your family won't be looked after any private clubs after your injury. I guess you shouldn't have been a transgendered person and maybe you wouldn't have been rejected for membership.

Hey you know what, that's pretty cool you have some ideas about how the government is not doing the right thing with this bill they're trying to pass. But unless you stop talking about that, we're gonna have to pull you off the radio. You see, one of our biggest donors is a big supporter of that bill. As you know, freedom of speech protections don't apply when the outlet isn't government-funded.

Sux you were raped. Unfortunately, that private police officer nearby was contracted to protect the jewelry store nearby, and per the terms of his contract, he could not leave his post to run into the park in response to your screams while you were raped. Tough break.

Hey, you know how this museum houses some really important artefacts testifying to historical atrocities committed against a minority group, and how its location is also an important site where that happened? Well we're gonna have to bulldoze it down and sell it off to build a Walmart. You see, not enough people cared about what happened to that minority group besides members of that minority group. And unfortunately, that minority is in the minority and they have low socioeconomic status, so we can't afford to keep this museum open.

The fundamental problem with an article like this is confirmation bias. This article only looks at the successes of private funding. In fact, the way this 'study' was designed (I will list the public goods funded by private spending that are a close drive from me) completely excludes the possibility of even taking into consideration the failures of private funding. How many other works had to be shut down? How many others fell into disrepair and were bought by private companies and closed to the public? And of course, what would happen if private funding of public works were more extensive? There is a finite pool of benefactors in a country at any time - if there is a substantial increase in the number of public goods requiring funding, it might spread the donations out too thinly in some areas.

And then, beyond all the dangers of what will happen if there is a lack of voluntary private funding and the inequality that such a system might introduce, there is simply this: even if it were possible to fund all public works privately, that does not mean the government is not entitled to tax you. You are a voluntary citizen of this country. You have freedom to leave if you do not like the rules. You have freedom to publicly protest if you do not like the rules. And yet you remain and do not set off into the wilderness or go to another country. Why? Because of the protections and safety that membership in such a country provides for you. And in return for these protections, you must pay your membership fees, just like how the homeowners must pay theirs to the HOA if they wish to live in that exclusive neighbourhood with the nice roads. I'd daresay that it's the quality of the roads and the well kept nature of that neighbourhood that attracted people to become homeowners in that neighbourhood in the first place, which provided the HOA with the requisite number of people to levy fees against so that they can maintain that level of quality...

For that matter check out anything by Esprit in the thread.

http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=79161

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 14, 2013, 03:37:24 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 14, 2013, 02:50:04 PM
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The following conversation I had with him:

BlameTheFirst: So the Constitution guarantees a woman the "right" to an abortion, even though it never mentions abortion, but yet it does not guarantee the right to buy an AK-47, even though it explicitly states that "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed"?

rdubwiley: Yes. The fourteenth amendment gives non-explicit rights such as life and privacy, while denying you the right to buy an AK-47 does not stop you from owning a gun.

WTF? An AK-47 is a gun! I mean, wow. Just wow!

Irresistible sarcastic response:

The AK-47 is a fully automatic rifle, a gun is a large weapon that is usually attached to a maritime vessel, building, set of wheels, a tank etc.  Pretty much everybody agrees that the right to bear arms includes rifles. The waters around "guns" are a bit more cloudy.

Real response:
However, from that quote, he seems to be saying, "stopping you from obtaining this specific rifle does not stop you from owning other rifles." Which is true.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 14, 2013, 04:08:57 PM
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The comments agentssith.  It was either him or the furicon dude who seems to think that force would also include watching a movie with your friends.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 15, 2013, 02:52:02 PM
Did You Know the Deficit Is Shrinking? Most Americans Don't, Thanks to Shameless Deficit Hawk Propaganda (http://www.alternet.org/economy/did-you-know-deficit-shrinking-most-americans-dont-thanks-shameless-deficit-hawk-propaganda)

And here we have Lee Doren explain why that's complete BS:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 15, 2013, 06:43:31 PM
Being Liberal is Being Stupid As Usual, but a certain comment at the bottom of the picture screams pure failure to me:
(https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/s720x720/539686_10201554064601600_614711917_n.jpg)

Full comment:
Quote from: Martha CorrellAs an old hippie who preached peace and love back in the 60's, questioned why there is war and couldn't figure out why we can't all get along on this earth, I finally got it (about 30 years ago) that there will always be war. Apparently it's in human nature. I am thankful President Obama is in the White House because I shiver to think what would be happening now if it was someone else who dragged us into yet another war like Bush/Cheney for all the wrong reasons. Despite condemnations, this President is the best for the job at this point...he's calm under pressure...not perfect.....and as Angel said is doing the best he can under the circumstances.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 15, 2013, 07:21:10 PM
Quote from: D on August 15, 2013, 06:43:31 PM
Being Liberal is Being Stupid As Usual, but a certain comment at the bottom of the picture screams pure failure to me:
(https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/s720x720/539686_10201554064601600_614711917_n.jpg)

Full comment:

I take it that this is supposed to mean Obama is getting the US into wars for the RIGHT reasons, then?

How many wars has he started up already?  Libya, Pakistan and Yemen he's actually attacked, he's sent troops into how many countries in Africa without permission?  (And that's just what comes to mind without checking anywhere.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 15, 2013, 10:58:38 PM
Uganda--he sent "Advisors" there. something to do with some guy no one has seen in a decade--Cony or Kony or something.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on August 16, 2013, 12:42:19 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on August 15, 2013, 10:58:38 PM
Uganda--he sent "Advisors" there. something to do with some guy no one has seen in a decade--Cony or Kony or something.

Advisors? Hmmmmmm? Can anyone say Vietnam?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on August 16, 2013, 07:01:29 AM
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/14/msnbc-panel-agrees-tsarnaev-terror-duo-influenced-by-radical-libertarian-agenda-conspiracy-theories/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/14/msnbc-panel-agrees-tsarnaev-terror-duo-influenced-by-radical-libertarian-agenda-conspiracy-theories/)

More MSNBC failure.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 16, 2013, 12:23:56 PM
QuoteThere was once a boy of the age of 7 who lived in the suberbs. He was diagnosed with ADD and Aspergers.

At one point, he became very curious as to "whys" and "what would happens" to his cat if... The boy tried to tie the cats tail into a not and threw it off higher and higher places to see if the saying was true that "all cats landed on their feet." Soon, it became a challenge to drop this cat to see what would happen if it didn't land on it's feet, going so far as to climb onto a second story roof and throwing it off.

The boy's parents took him to therapy and gave him stern talking tos. And you know what he did? He laughed, he scoffed at their "punishments" and weak ways. Finally, after the roof incident, the father had enough and yelled at the boy to come down. The boy scoffed and climbed back into the window with a smug grin.

When he came down stairs fully intent on insulting his father and mocking him with "what are you gonna do? Give me another 'time out'? His smirk faded when he saw a leather belt held in his father's grasp. It was something he'd seen on TV, a spanking.

The boy tried to run, but his father stopped him and bent him over his knee and calmly explained to the child that he was spanking him because what the child was doing was wrong and he needed to understand the pain he was trying to inflict upon the cat.

The boy didn't laugh at the punishment, and he didn't mock his father afterwards either. He finally understood what he was doing.

that boy was me

Someone on the anarcho-capitalist bronies page trying to refute Spanking is Bad with anecdotal evidence or possibly lies. Then he tries to shift the burden of proof on me by asking if what the solution is if not spanking.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 16, 2013, 12:31:43 PM
aaaaaand part two

QuoteThis is a common theme I've seen among those who advocate for no spankings. They have no other solutions. As if the kids who don't respond to positive enforcement will just go away in the future. These kids grow up and become criminals, committing worse and worse crimes for various reasons. (Exhibitionism, gain, because why not? etc etc) Best part? Then the parents get blamed for "not raising their child right".

My circumstance isn't unique, but it's not common, and was completely out of my living with parents control. Yet, even though it's the only form of consequence I would listen to, they held off because they thought much like you.

I'm glad my parents gave me the belt, best thing they could have done for me.

I will agree, violence should NEVER be the first course of action, but it should NEVER be taken off the table completely.

Think of it this way, the violence my father (It should be noted he was my step father) inflicted on me was to protect an innocent, claw-less cat. If anything, you should support them for defending the helpless feline.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 16, 2013, 07:35:38 PM
[yt]8A2xY4QPKEU[/yt]

TL;DW: Money isn't free speech. Corporations aren't people.

Funny how most arguements against CU devolve into such bumper sticker talking points.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 16, 2013, 07:37:20 PM
My fav response is "You didn't turn out fine, you turned into the kind of person who can't seem to grasp that personal anecdotes do NOT override years of peer reviewed study."

It's as illogical as me pointing to my 90 year old grandmother as proof that smoking doesn't shorten your life.

What's the alternative?  Use your imagination!

QuoteThese kids grow up and become criminals, committing worse and worse crimes for various reasons.

Demand evidence for this.  Ask if he can even give you ONE criminal who wasn't physically or verbally assaulted as a child by his parents.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 16, 2013, 07:41:34 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 16, 2013, 07:35:38 PM
[yt]8A2xY4QPKEU[/yt]

TL;DW: Money isn't free speech. Corporations aren't people.

Funny how most arguements against CU devolve into such bumper sticker talking points.

And of course the solution?  Give the government MORE power and thus create even MORE incentive to bribe them.  I mean it's good that they acknowledge that the law is up for grabs to the highest bidder but man, could they miss the moral of the story any more badly?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 16, 2013, 08:15:00 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 16, 2013, 07:35:38 PM
[yt]8A2xY4QPKEU[/yt]

TL;DW: Money isn't free speech. Corporations aren't people.

Funny how most arguements against CU devolve into such bumper sticker talking points.
Money:  Yes it is.
Corporations:  According to a legal dictionary and thus to the same govco they want further empower? Yes they are.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 16, 2013, 08:16:49 PM
I can't remember the video, but I recall shchpendrop or whoever on one of Shane's videos talking about how "Freedom of association is bullshit" or whatever.  Okay, so the slaves were in the wrong not want to associate with their masters?  Or how about the people in countries that Hitler annexed?  Need I go on?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 16, 2013, 08:37:28 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 16, 2013, 08:16:49 PM
I can't remember the video, but I recall shchpendrop or whoever on one of Shane's videos talking about how "Freedom of association is bullshit" or whatever.  Okay, so the slaves were in the wrong not want to associate with their masters?  Or how about the people in countries that Hitler annexed?  Need I go on?


Don't you know though that it'sjsut an excuse to push a racist agenda? People shouldn't be allowed to decide the terms by which they're willing to deal with people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 16, 2013, 09:43:00 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1098251_627930687239991_561808783_n.png)

I accept no responsibility for any injuries suffered after immediately falling on the floor laughing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on August 16, 2013, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: D on August 16, 2013, 09:43:00 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1098251_627930687239991_561808783_n.png)

I accept no responsibility for any injuries suffered after immediately falling on the floor laughing.

Me: *head desk*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 17, 2013, 10:27:30 AM
[yt]fCDtbSteHas[/yt]

And stopped in the first five minutes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 17, 2013, 12:42:27 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 17, 2013, 10:27:30 AM
[yt]fCDtbSteHas[/yt]

And stopped in the first five minutes.

I stopped after three. The Constitution putting something in sequence is NOT a prioritization.

Really, why do people keep bothering with Zo's videos? You KNOW they're going to be fail!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 17, 2013, 12:59:17 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 17, 2013, 12:42:27 PM
I stopped after three. The Constitution putting something in sequence is NOT a prioritization.

Really, why do people keep bothering with Zo's videos? You KNOW they're going to be fail!

I guess I like inflicting pain into myself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 17, 2013, 03:36:17 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 17, 2013, 12:42:27 PM
I stopped after three. The Constitution putting something in sequence is NOT a prioritization.

Really, why do people keep bothering with Zo's videos? You KNOW they're going to be fail!
I stopped after 0:00.  Just knowing it was from that hack-job Zo was enough to make me to know was epic fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 17, 2013, 08:05:53 PM
I love how Zo uses government regulation and socialized medicine as excuses for the war on drugs. Isn't this the same as saying that immigration should be more tightly controlled because otherwise it would lead to abuse of the welfare state. His invoking the bible is just hilarious.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 17, 2013, 08:14:17 PM
Quote from: tnu on August 17, 2013, 08:05:53 PM
I love how Zo uses government regulation and socialized medicine as excuses for the war on drugs. Isn't this the same as saying that immigration should be more tightly controlled because otherwise it would lead to abuse of the welfare state. His invoking the bible is just hilarious.
Yup.  Circular reasoning.  We need state intervention here because of issues created by state intervention there. I'd have expected no less from someone of Zo's intellect.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 18, 2013, 12:30:42 AM
[yt]fcolo2uUSaM[/yt]

This is just a stupid argument. Even if you're an atheist, which most of you are, you have to admit this is a stupid argument. If you're going to argue against a subject, then you have to gain as much knowledge about the subject as possible; otherwise, you're arguing from ignorance.

Dawkins assumes that consulting a theologian about theology is along the same lines as consulting a fairiologist about fairies. Why, yes, Dawkins, it is! If you're going to argue against fairies, it's best that you consult someone who knows a lot about fairies so that you're better familiar with the subject to better argue against it!

By his standard, someone who argues against evolution doesn't have to understand biology to argue against it, just as someone who argues against global warming doesn't have to understand meteorology to argue against it. Oh wait...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 18, 2013, 12:54:28 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 18, 2013, 12:30:42 AM


This is just a stupid argument. Even if you're an atheist, which most of you are, you have to admit this is a stupid argument. If you're going to argue against a subject, then you have to gain as much knowledge about the subject as possible; otherwise, you're arguing from ignorance.

Dawkins assumes that consulting a theologian about theology is along the same lines as consulting a fairiologist about fairies. Why, yes, Dawkins, it is! If you're going to argue against fairies, it's best that you consult someone who knows a lot about fairies so that you're better familiar with the subject to better argue against it!

By his standard, someone who argues against evolution doesn't have to understand biology to argue against it, just as someone who argues against global warming doesn't have to understand meteorology to argue against it. Oh wait...

Actually, I think PZ Meyer's was trying to make the point you just did.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 18, 2013, 07:04:23 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/s720x720/1000924_629094377123622_937531835_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 18, 2013, 08:26:10 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 18, 2013, 12:30:42 AMDawkins assumes that consulting a theologian about theology is along the same lines as consulting a fairiologist about fairies. Why, yes, Dawkins, it is! If you're going to argue against fairies, it's best that you consult someone who knows a lot about fairies so that you're better familiar with the subject to better argue against it!

The problem is, being a theologian doesn't really give you any real expertise in the subject. Biologists know a lot about evolution because they observe, test, falsify, and modify their theories accordingly. Where is the test for God? How can the concept of God be falsified? When do theologians do ANY of that?

And when physicists like Victor Stenger and Lawrence Krauss come along and flatten their concept of God like a steamroller, do they do work to test their theory and experiments for flaws? Do they modify or throw out their God hypothesis in light of this new data?

Sorry, but I've got to go with Dawkins on this one. Theologians don't know any more about God than the rest of us do. At best, you can say they know more about what Bronze Age people wrote about God, but I could get better work on that from historians or classical anthropologists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on August 18, 2013, 11:42:10 AM
Quote from: D on August 18, 2013, 07:04:23 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/s720x720/1000924_629094377123622_937531835_n.png)

One little problem with Robin Hood Picture. It should actually be King George.  :P

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 18, 2013, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on August 18, 2013, 11:42:10 AM
One little problem with Robin Hood Picture. It should actually be King George.  :P

For the life of me, I can't figure out WHY they think we'd see them as Robin Hood, someone who fights the government and its cronies to reclaim money stolen from the people via taxation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on August 18, 2013, 12:57:11 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 18, 2013, 12:41:55 PM
For the life of me, I can't figure out WHY they think we'd see them as Robin Hood, someone who fights the government and its cronies to reclaim money stolen from the people via taxation.

Yeah, I'd think Robin Hood would go into a liberal's "How I See Me" slot.

EDIT: Thinking about this one after reading thru some of the comments; liberals seem to think Robin Hood is some sort of libertarian boogieman because he "steals from the rich and gives to the poor." Which really says more about how they see themselves (and Robin Hood) than how libertarians see them, given that libertarians identify with Robin Hood more than progressive liberals do.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 18, 2013, 04:43:48 PM
From this video's comments:  [yt]S2OsdoAAjsE[/yt]

agentssith going on about how libertarianism = social darwinism.  Is anyone else reminded of Kent Hovind and other creationists talking about how it was evolution that was 'largely responsible for what happened to the Indians" and for blaming evolution/C. Darwin for the Holocaust?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 18, 2013, 06:02:13 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 18, 2013, 04:43:48 PM
From this video's comments:  [yt]S2OsdoAAjsE[/yt]

agentssith going on about how libertarianism = social darwinism.  Is anyone else reminded of Kent Hovind and other creationists talking about how it was evolution that was 'largely responsible for what happened to the Indians" and for blaming evolution/C. Darwin for the Holocaust?

and it's even worse.

QuoteFact: Starting from a Social Darwinist perspective, it is hard to imagine a political ideology more complementary to it (made for it I would say) than Liberteatardism.


Notice how he's NOW not only accusing all libertarians of being objectivists and social darwinists but also  Tea Party affiliates? All while shifting the burden of proof?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 18, 2013, 06:13:09 PM
Quote from: tnu on August 18, 2013, 06:02:13 PM
and it's even worse.


Notice how he's NOW not only accusing all libertarians of being objectivists and social darwinists but also  Tea Party affiliates? All while shifting the burden of proof?
Unfortunately...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 18, 2013, 07:47:31 PM
From libertarian girl

QuoteAnarchists can say politics doesn't matter and being involved in political parties is an evil form of socialism or fascism, all they want. But the fact that Obama won the election again instead of Romney, gave the libertarian leaning faction of the GOP the opportunity to start the GOP civil war going on right now. Which is largely responsible for the popularization of libertarianism we are seeing today.

Libertarians are a small faction of political thought. Anarchists are an even smaller faction of that faction. Anarchists are the only ones in this political spectrum that are encouraging people that agree with them to NOT be active in the political process. There are no other political ideologies doing that. So unless you are ready to admit you don't care or don't want libertarianism to progress into mainstream thought (which would inevitably lead to more anarchists as well) and admit that you just want to see the whole country destroyed as soon as possible, political activism is good thing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 18, 2013, 10:00:43 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on August 18, 2013, 07:47:31 PM
From libertarian girl

I know she means well but seriously, what part of "Politics is a rigged game" has not been made clear yet?  Last election, Ron Paul was properly entitled to a spot on the debate and they change changed the rules and kept him out.  They didn't even TRY to hide it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 18, 2013, 11:36:28 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 18, 2013, 10:00:43 PM
I know she means well but seriously, what part of "Politics is a rigged game" has not been made clear yet?  Last election, Ron Paul was properly entitled to a spot on the debate and they change changed the rules and kept him out.  They didn't even TRY to hide it.

well, yeah...when they don't like what he has to say, or think he's insane flat out, they're of course going to exclude him.

they also did it to Gary Johnson too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 18, 2013, 11:37:36 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on August 18, 2013, 11:36:28 PM
well, yeah...when they don't like what he has to say, or think he's insane flat out, they're of course going to exclude him.

they also did it to Gary Johnson too.
And Harry Browne, I take it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 19, 2013, 02:45:09 AM
Quote from: D on August 18, 2013, 07:04:23 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/s720x720/1000924_629094377123622_937531835_n.png)
Charlie Dagmar Bashlor: "I hate how true it is...Its hard being a liberal.  Too many stupid people pissing me off."
Oh, the irony...especially when she used the wrong "it's".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 19, 2013, 05:50:59 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 19, 2013, 02:45:09 AM
Charlie Dagmar Bashlor: "I hate how true it is...Its hard being a liberal.  Too many stupid people pissing me off."
Oh, the irony...especially when she used the wrong "it's".

Then again, if a relatively common grammatical error is your biggest argument against her... (It annoys me when people point out trivial errors as if it's a case-breaking argument)

That being said, you could switch "Liberal" and "Libertarian" in that poster and it would still be about equally valid. As for Mz. Bashlor's comment, it would seem there isn't enough of a comment to comment. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on August 19, 2013, 07:49:49 PM
The video is win; the fail is found, as one might expect, in the comments, today provided by one ShiniHLaser2:

[yt]hWTFG3J1CP8[/yt]

Most of it is the same short-sightedness one comes to expect from your regular statist, but I want to highlight a bit of projection. ShiniHLaser in red, myself in blue:

Because starving sounds ideal, right? It is pretty much either that or go to one of those barb-wired suicide-net factories. They have to work to survive, and the only way to survive is working in the most deplorable conditions.

people are choosing to work at the factories instead of on the farms. Ergo, they must see the factories as the better option.

These factories are surrounded by barbed-wired fences and have suicide nets to prevent people from jumping off the roof. Foxconn, the people who manages the factories in which Apple's products are developed? Yeah, take a nice long look.

Have you taken a good look at Foxconn? The suicide rate there is actually lower than [China's] average...

This is why America is divided. The fact you cannot see beyond your privledged living is agonizing to watch. (sic)

Yep.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on August 20, 2013, 02:34:48 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on August 19, 2013, 07:49:49 PM
Most of it is the same short-sightedness one comes to expect from your regular statist, but I want to highlight a bit of projection. ShiniHLaser in red, myself in blue:

Yeah, it's probably bad form to reply to one's self, but I couldn't help but facepalm (and chuckle) at how ShiniHLaser tried to win the argument.

So by recognizing the double-standard, do you understand my point? That corps lobby govt for favorable regulations in order to gain a competitive advantage?

It isn't competitive advantage. It a way to make more profits.

(beat)

So, how about this, kid. I am done with my lunch break, so how about we stop flooding this comment section and you acknowledge that [I am right].


.....


There's nothing I can add to this to make it more poignant, is there?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 20, 2013, 04:17:21 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 19, 2013, 02:45:09 AM
Charlie Dagmar Bashlor: "I hate how true it is...Its hard being a liberal.  Too many stupid people pissing me off."
Oh, the irony...especially when she used the wrong "it's".

Why would we see them as Robin Hood?
I'm pretty sure Robin hood would be against these guys.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 20, 2013, 04:51:45 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 20, 2013, 04:17:21 PM
Why would we see them as Robin Hood?
I'm pretty sure Robin hood would be against these guys.
When did I say we should?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 20, 2013, 06:46:38 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 20, 2013, 04:17:21 PM
Why would we see them as Robin Hood?
I'm pretty sure Robin hood would be against these guys.

They're the ones Robin Hood would be stealing FROM!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 20, 2013, 07:01:06 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 20, 2013, 06:46:38 PM
They're the ones Robin Hood would be stealing FROM!
Indeed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on August 20, 2013, 07:13:50 PM
A letter sent from a mother to her neighbor, the mother of an autistic son.

(http://vipmedia.globalnews.ca/2013/08/autistic-hate-letter.jpg?w=716&h=1000)

This was from Oshawa, Toronto.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 20, 2013, 07:28:53 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on August 20, 2013, 07:13:50 PM
A letter sent from a mother to her neighbor, the mother of an autistic son.

(http://vipmedia.globalnews.ca/2013/08/autistic-hate-letter.jpg?w=716&h=1000)

This was from Oshawa, Toronto.
Wow.  I sincerely hope the baby-mama (I refuse to dignify her by calling her a 'mother') who wrote that never has a disabled or autistic child herself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on August 20, 2013, 07:33:40 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 20, 2013, 07:28:53 PM
Wow.  I sincerely hope the baby-mama (I refuse to dignify her by calling her a 'mother') who wrote that never has a disabled or autistic child herself.

Yes, and I hope the reason for that is that she dies of a rare form of flesh eating rectal chlamydia.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 20, 2013, 08:24:48 PM
I sincerely hope that's a hoax. I can't imagine anyone brazen enough to place that on their neighbor's door. If they did, let's all sit back and wait for the law suit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on August 20, 2013, 09:02:00 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on August 20, 2013, 07:13:50 PM
A letter sent from a mother to her neighbor, the mother of an autistic son.

(http://vipmedia.globalnews.ca/2013/08/autistic-hate-letter.jpg?w=716&h=1000)

This was from Oshawa, Toronto.

If this woman was hit by a bus or a train I would point and laugh.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 20, 2013, 09:13:39 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on August 20, 2013, 08:24:48 PM
I sincerely hope that's a hoax. I can't imagine anyone brazen enough to place that on their neighbor's door. If they did, let's all sit back and wait for the law suit.

that's because you're"

1-a decent person (and endowed with a healthy mind, praise be).
2-you clearly haven't seen the kind of shit people stoop to.


either way, Hoax or not, this is just douchebaggery.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 20, 2013, 09:32:38 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on August 20, 2013, 07:13:50 PM
A letter sent from a mother to her neighbor, the mother of an autistic son.

(http://vipmedia.globalnews.ca/2013/08/autistic-hate-letter.jpg?w=716&h=1000)

This was from Oshawa, Toronto.

(http://i48.tinypic.com/987czk.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 20, 2013, 09:52:11 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on August 20, 2013, 08:24:48 PM
I sincerely hope that's a hoax. I can't imagine anyone brazen enough to place that on their neighbor's door. If they did, let's all sit back and wait for the law suit.

They've already said it's not a hate crime: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/08/20/autistic-boy-family-receives-euthanize-letter-ontario-newscastle.html

Not than I'm sanguine about hate crimes as a category, but if this isn't one, what the hell is???
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 20, 2013, 09:53:35 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 20, 2013, 09:52:11 PM
They've already said it's not a hate crime: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/08/20/autistic-boy-family-receives-euthanize-letter-ontario-newscastle.html

Not than I'm sanguine about hate crimes as a category, but if this isn't one, what the hell is???
Why am I not surprised?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 21, 2013, 12:28:20 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 20, 2013, 09:52:11 PM
They've already said it's not a hate crime: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/08/20/autistic-boy-family-receives-euthanize-letter-ontario-newscastle.html

Not than I'm sanguine about hate crimes as a category, but if this isn't one, what the hell is???

Which, thank-fully, doesn't mean the parent(s) of this unfortunate child can't go to the QCB, or the provincial equivalent, and seek grievances. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BogosityForumUser on August 21, 2013, 12:41:53 AM
I'm not surprised either.  This is close to the line, but I don't think it crosses it.  The Canadian criminal code (http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/) defines hate crimes in 318, 319 and 718.2 (in a roundabout way).  They match the more common law definitions used in most Western countries.  Basically, for something to be a hate crime, it needs to be based on the characteristics of a group the person belongs to, not just the individual.  In this case, the actions are based on the individual (the "noise" he makes) rather than the fact that he is autistic.  That is the real problem with hate crimes, how can you really know if they hate the group, rather than the person.  Just a little too much mind reading is necessary for my tastes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 21, 2013, 01:00:26 AM
I should've checked this thread before posting this as the BBE/IE nomination. Just found out about it.

That letter pisses me off both as an English major and as someone with Aspergers Syndrome (Which is on the autistic spectrum).

Seriously, that woman can go to the moon!

[yt]k4f9m4OYkCY[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on August 21, 2013, 03:58:34 AM
I don't know if this counts as a fail quote but oh well.

"Love breeds sacrifice... which breeds hatred... Then you can know pain." From random anime.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 21, 2013, 04:30:04 AM
Talking about Robin Hood brought this Image to mind.

(http://i.imgur.com/kMTS9.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 21, 2013, 07:07:47 AM
Quote from: BogosityForumUser on August 21, 2013, 12:41:53 AM
I'm not surprised either.  This is close to the line, but I don't think it crosses it.  The Canadian criminal code (http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/) defines hate crimes in 318, 319 and 718.2 (in a roundabout way).  They match the more common law definitions used in most Western countries.  Basically, for something to be a hate crime, it needs to be based on the characteristics of a group the person belongs to, not just the individual.  In this case, the actions are based on the individual (the "noise" he makes) rather than the fact that he is autistic.  That is the real problem with hate crimes, how can you really know if they hate the group, rather than the person.  Just a little too much mind reading is necessary for my tastes.

That sort of thing IS characteristic of autistics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 21, 2013, 05:53:46 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/TS8mdTO.jpg)

To show how much fail this picture is, here is the actual context of that quote (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/30/in-early-book-rep-ron-paul-criticized-aids-patients-minority-rights-and-sexual-harassment-victims/):

QuoteIn his 1987 book "Freedom Under Siege: The US Constitution after 200-Plus Years," Paul wrote about sexual harassment in the workplace, "Why don't they quit once the so-called harassment starts? Obviously the morals of the harasser cannot be defended, but how can the harassee escape some responsibility for the problem?''

In another passage, Paul wrote, "The individual suffering from AIDS certainly is a victim - frequently a victim of his own lifestyle - but this same individual victimizes innocent citizens by forcing them to pay for his care."

On Fox News Sunday this morning, host Chris Wallace asked Paul, now a top contender in the Republican presidential race, whether he still agreed with those statements.

On the sexual harassment issue, Paul distinguished between verbal and physical harassment but said neither one warranted a federal law to prevent it.

"If it's just because somebody told a joke to somebody who was offended, they don't have a right to go to the federal government and have a policeman come in and put penalties on those individuals," Paul said of verbal harassment. "They have to say maybe this is not a very good environment. They have the right to work there or not work there."

Paul continued: "Because people are insulted by rude behavior, I don't think we should make a federal case about it. I don't think we need federal laws to deal with that. People should deal with that at home."

Paul said a federal law against harassment also is not needed for physical violence, because there are already laws prohibiting assault and rape.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 21, 2013, 08:16:38 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 21, 2013, 05:53:46 PM

To show how much fail this picture is, here is the actual context of that quote (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/30/in-early-book-rep-ron-paul-criticized-aids-patients-minority-rights-and-sexual-harassment-victims/):

These are situations where I think we actually do need rules. We can argue about who should make the rules, later, I guess. While I sorta see Pauls point, one person against a group can be daunting in the absence of standards.

That being said, what bothers me about the rules most corporations/government agencies/non-government agencies have concerning harassment ARE NOT RULES. Basically, in most cases, harassment is "anything I out of my ass decide offends me, regardless of whether any body else agrees, or whether a reasonable person would be offended, or any other factors." (I can't remember the complete list of things the professional victims say don't fucking matter.)

It would solve so much to have a set of relatively concrete guidelines (flexible enough to take into account shit no ones heard of, of course).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 21, 2013, 09:58:36 PM
It does always beg the question why people stick it out with a place of employment that's abusive.

"I can't just find another job!  There aren't any!"

If I was feeling particularily vindictive one day, I'd sarcastically say "Yes there is!  Didn't you hear?  Obama stimulated the economy!  It's all fixed now!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 21, 2013, 10:11:02 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 21, 2013, 09:58:36 PM
It does always beg the question why people stick it out with a place of employment that's abusive.

"I can't just find another job!  There aren't any!"

If I was feeling particularily vindictive one day, I'd sarcastically say "Yes there is!  Didn't you hear?  Obama stimulated the economy!  It's all fixed now!"

But then again, if you quit your job every time someone makes you mildly uncomfortable, (or are expected to do so), essentially the bully wins. As I (intended) to hint at in my previous post, clear definitions of what is and what is not harassment (as opposed to something somebody may or may not like) are essential to good order, and consistent policy making.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 22, 2013, 02:44:26 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on August 21, 2013, 10:11:02 PM
But then again, if you quit your job every time someone makes you mildly uncomfortable, (or are expected to do so), essentially the bully wins. As I (intended) to hint at in my previous post, clear definitions of what is and what is not harassment (as opposed to something somebody may or may not like) are essential to good order, and consistent policy making.

It's really a matter for the owners/managers to settle disputes between workers and/or clientele and deal with them accordingly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 22, 2013, 04:04:02 AM
Quote from: tnu on August 22, 2013, 02:44:26 AM
It's really a matter for the owners/managers to settle disputes between workers and/or clientele and deal with them accordingly.

Which is fine, as long as there's something somewhere that says "this specific action will result in this specific consequence", at least within that organization. As opposed to, "I'm in a bad mood today, so everything you do bothers me, so I'm going to complain."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on August 22, 2013, 11:39:31 AM
"still waiting on any evidence Stalin was actually responsible. I didn't blame the free market i blame the weather that caused it and the free market that made it worse. A lot like claiming capitalism and America had nothing to do with the slave trade that killed 150 million Africans". - MaoistRebelNews2  in reply tot this post by AmericanWarrior1776 -"You got it backward blaming a free market economy for holodomor is like Frieza blaming the metor."
From this video analyzing dragon ball z from a marxist perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhKRCTIZIA4

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on August 22, 2013, 12:44:18 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on August 22, 2013, 11:39:31 AM
"still waiting on any evidence Stalin was actually responsible. I didn't blame the free market i blame the weather that caused it and the free market that made it worse. A lot like claiming capitalism and America had nothing to do with the slave trade that killed 150 million Africans". - MaoistRebelNews2  in reply tot this post by AmericanWarrior1776 -"You got it backward blaming a free market economy for holodomor is like Frieza blaming the metor."
From this video analyzing dragon ball z from a marxist perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhKRCTIZIA4

Does MRN2 block people a lot?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 22, 2013, 01:37:07 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on August 22, 2013, 11:39:31 AM
"still waiting on any evidence Stalin was actually responsible. I didn't blame the free market i blame the weather that caused it and the free market that made it worse. A lot like claiming capitalism and America had nothing to do with the slave trade that killed 150 million Africans". - MaoistRebelNews2  in reply tot this post by AmericanWarrior1776 -"You got it backward blaming a free market economy for holodomor is like Frieza blaming the metor."
From this video analyzing dragon ball z from a marxist perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhKRCTIZIA4

"There has never been a free market in all of history! Except when there was slavery, then that was TOTALLY a free market!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on August 22, 2013, 04:15:05 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 22, 2013, 01:37:07 PM
"There has never been a free market in all of history! Except when there was slavery, then that was TOTALLY a free market!"
I found it funnier that he was comparing the Saiyans of all races to an oppressed class, and when he compared the tuffles to Nazi germany. So a race of space pirates are oppressed and the race they destroyed are the nazis?

Quote from: Skm1091 on August 22, 2013, 12:44:18 PM
Does MRN2 block people a lot?
No clue. I found it while watching random dragonball clips.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Goaticus on August 22, 2013, 04:36:35 PM
 http://www.mediaite.com/tv/guess-the-msnbc-show-answer-to-higher-education-costs-nationalize-colleges/ (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/guess-the-msnbc-show-answer-to-higher-education-costs-nationalize-colleges/)

Ana Marie Cox's answer to what to do about rising college costs. "Nationalize colleges". She goes on to explain that she wants GovCo to have a 100% monopoly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on August 22, 2013, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: Goaticus on August 22, 2013, 04:36:35 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/guess-the-msnbc-show-answer-to-higher-education-costs-nationalize-colleges/ (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/guess-the-msnbc-show-answer-to-higher-education-costs-nationalize-colleges/)

Ana Marie Cox's answer to what to do about rising college costs. "Nationalize colleges". She goes on to explain that she wants GovCo to have a 100% monopoly.
Yes, because nationalization worked out so well for Venezuela.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 22, 2013, 10:22:33 PM
The fail is TheResident. The win is (surprisingly enough) rdubwiley:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on August 23, 2013, 12:59:58 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 22, 2013, 10:22:33 PM
The fail is TheResident. The win is (surprisingly enough) rdubwiley:

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What a load of horseshit. I guess she better quit her job then, you know, since the money paid to her for reporting this bullshit brings RT more money, and that is immoral.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 23, 2013, 06:19:04 AM
http://mike-the-cat.deviantart.com/journal/A-pro-choicer-has-little-credibility-if-392673074
Read the first line and stopped because of the incredifail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 23, 2013, 10:10:46 AM
A lot to cover this time.

On the video: I'm not sure who's supposed to be TheResident, and who's supposed to be rdubwiley, having never heard of either of them. Anyways, this is another case of people throwing about a word without actually knowing what it is. (A fault many people have which apparently results in someone hitting the bog-us button every time I point it out.) Usury is NOT "using money to make money", by either biblical or dictionary definition. Usury is "lending (something, usually money) at an exorbitant rate of interest or with excessive fees." Which by the way, actually IS one of the few legal areas where the bible and the real life law (at least in the western world, are in agreement)

On the pro-choicer list:

Half the fucking list has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Of those that do, half would actually demonstrate the pro-lifer's consistency, and credibility, not undermine it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 23, 2013, 12:19:15 PM
Oh this is fun Joel P is just being a fantastic idiot.

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my stuff in blue and his in red.

Honestly I think lowing the standards is even more discriminatory since it assumes women or minorities will be less qualified for a job.


So if Affirmative Action is such a horrible thing for minorities, why do so many of them (especially blacks) like it so much?

That's quite a bold claim. Care to back it up?



You have access to Google. Look it up. You could start with TheRoot piece titled "Support for Affirmative Action Dropping? Or Just White Support?," which references a recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Not surprisingly, white people don't like affirmative action all that much. But..."among minorities asked, eight in 10 blacks and six in 10 Hispanics favor it."

There you go. And is it really so hard to believe that the minority groups who benefit most from these programs like them?


Homework Fallacy and shifting the burden of proof. You made the claim now you back it up. But your claims are mostly an appeal to popularity anyway. I like cheese. Does thismeanI have a right to force people to buy cheese or to lower their standards to hire cheese?


You're a fricken idiot, Tnu. You wanted proof that minorities support affirmative action, I gave it to you. I'm not "appealing to popularity," I'm giving you poll results that demonstrate that most minorities (at least when it comes to Hispanics and blacks) support AA. How is referencing a poll that shows that minorities favor affirmative action in any way fallacious when the very claim you wanted me to back up was "minorities favor affirmative action"? You moron!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 23, 2013, 12:49:04 PM
@TNU:

I think you made the wrong argument here, instead of letting him side track the issue on whether or not AA benefits minorities or regardless of whether they "like" them or not; you should have declared a non-responsive fallacy, and took the conversation back to the topic under discussion, which was whether lowering standards is more or less discriminatory because it assumes certain classes of people are less capable of performing a job.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on August 23, 2013, 02:04:34 PM
http://reason.com/blog/2013/08/23/brickbat-oh-deer#comments

In order to ensure animal safety, the Ohio Dept. of Natural Resources is charging someone helping a deer with illegal wild animal possession. And they'll kill kill the deer if they take it in. I wonder how people this fucking retarded can get out of bed in the morning.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 23, 2013, 07:37:59 PM
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You, LTH, I have a fresh target for you! :D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 24, 2013, 03:09:19 PM
I found this in r/politicalhumor of all places, which left me scratching my head, wondering how this is political:

(http://i.imgur.com/kgthn7H.jpg)

This just raises the question of who opposes planting more trees? Because even the evil, greedy logging companies support planting more trees. If they didn't, they would be out of business.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 24, 2013, 07:28:35 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1150404_631148440251549_1304720631_n.png)

Look who this guy has for a profile picture.  Just look at it!  I mean just look at it!  URGH....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 24, 2013, 08:43:58 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 24, 2013, 07:28:35 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1150404_631148440251549_1304720631_n.png)

Look who this guy has for a profile picture.  Just look at it!  I mean just look at it!  URGH....

we all know he was the height of racial equality, what with his barring Jews from entering the country to escape the holocaust, or his decision to refuse integration of the US military in World War II.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 24, 2013, 09:10:38 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on August 24, 2013, 08:43:58 PM
we all know he was the height of racial equality, what with his barring Jews from entering the country to escape the holocaust, or his decision to refuse integration of the US military in World War II.

And then there was that whole interning Japanese-Americans into concentration camps thing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 24, 2013, 09:33:39 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 24, 2013, 09:10:38 PM
And then there was that whole interning Japanese-Americans into concentration camps thing.

damn it! you know full well that is too much for them Liberals to hear!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on August 24, 2013, 09:57:00 PM
http://reason.com/24-7/2013/08/24/nationwide-porn-production-halted-after#comment

Kiss goodbye to the myth that Democrats want out of Women's vaginas. I hate these people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 25, 2013, 03:47:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/t0sodn3.jpg)

Somebody get me a Tylenol. The false equivalency is giving me a massive migraine!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 25, 2013, 03:55:18 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5fskqAYLS-Q/T6FTti2XwJI/AAAAAAAAE2U/6JDvcf5kcHk/s1600/Screen+shot+2012-05-02+at+10.32.27+AM.png)

The mental midget who created this obviously never heard of the Community Reinvestment Act, otherwise, they would know that "peopleless homes" are a result of the government-created housing crisis.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 25, 2013, 08:08:27 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 25, 2013, 03:47:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/t0sodn3.jpg)

Somebody get me a Tylenol. The false equivalency is giving me a massive migraine!

Funny thing is it's actually true according to studies.

Most people are NOT crazy kamikaze maniacs and only drive at a speed they feel comfortable with and those who are don't care about signs anyway.  Nobody has ever produced any solid evidence that speed limits make the roads safer.  In fact, the original stated goal of speed limits was to save gasoline, making the roads safer was just an added bonus according to Nixon (Yeah, there's a name you can trust right?)

Speed limits just create busy work for law enforcement and line the pockets of the political class with gold.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 25, 2013, 08:16:48 PM
And they don't save gas--at least neither on their own, nor consistently: driving on a highway 539 miles long@ 80mph costs me the same amount of gas as driving 476 miles @ 70-75mph (a full tank of gas). It ends up balancing out, since the tests people conduct for the EPA and other agencies are for ideal conditions (65mph, flat roads, etc: myth-busters replicate these regularly). it works out to under 20 mpg for the former, 17 for the latter. If it were optimized, it would be 20 mpg or as close to it as possible (which is not that difficult to achieve).

similar results have been noted while I was in Colorado driving the Zipcars, or using mom's car to go to Midland the first time (to do the drugs tests): speed limits are at best a contributing factor to saving feul, and sometimes work against saving gas).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on August 26, 2013, 12:02:44 AM
Quote from: VectorM on May 30, 2013, 08:17:02 AM
I know it was a website that had a very similar color scheme and design as this one and it had a list of 100 government inventions. All of them were supposed to be positive, of course. It included things like bridges, the internets, etc. The typical stuff people say. But then I remember very clearly that it included War in there. I saw it a few months ago, so if they deleted it, it wasn't from then.

Probably just a different website that I can't find right now. Darn.

EDIT:

FOUND IT! It IS from DailyKos, but it's actually called "75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America" and it blows:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/29/1078852/-75-Ways-Socialism-Has-Improved-America
I know this is old, but I just have to say this. How can anyone be this fucking stupid, and still able to perform basic human functions?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 26, 2013, 08:29:06 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 25, 2013, 08:08:27 PM
Funny thing is it's actually true according to studies.

Most people are NOT crazy kamikaze maniacs and only drive at a speed they feel comfortable with and those who are don't care about signs anyway.  Nobody has ever produced any solid evidence that speed limits make the roads safer.  In fact, the original stated goal of speed limits was to save gasoline, making the roads safer was just an added bonus according to Nixon (Yeah, there's a name you can trust right?)

Speed limits just create busy work for law enforcement and line the pockets of the political class with gold.

Another surprising thing that turned out to be true is that minimizing signage in complex intersections and other complex driving situations reduces collision rates.  (Partly, extra signage acts as a distraction, and less guidance creates more caution in drivers.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 26, 2013, 08:33:02 AM
Actually, speed limits started in the UK in the late 1800s. All of those crazy speed demons in their horse-drawn carriages, I gather. In cities, the posted speed limit was 2mph. You can WALK faster than that!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 26, 2013, 04:56:05 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1186882_486435604785013_1889062981_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 26, 2013, 05:10:17 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 26, 2013, 08:33:02 AM
Actually, speed limits started in the UK in the late 1800s. All of those crazy speed demons in their horse-drawn carriages, I gather. In cities, the posted speed limit was 2mph. You can WALK faster than that!

The only problems (other than the manure, which alone is more than enough reason for having cars and trucks) that I've ever heard of with horse drawn vehicles was horse-drawn sleighs being so quiet (before the introduction of sleigh bells, that is) in heavy snow that the inattentive pedestrian could be run down quite easily by them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on August 26, 2013, 07:28:31 PM
So I watching CNN with a family member and they were talking about how the US might intervene in Syria. They supported it on the grounds that if it can be used there, it can be used anywhere. I replied pointing out the idiocy of intervening when they were already killing each other with guns, so why should the US gov intervene just because they started using chemical weapons. Then I said that intervening  just makes it worse. Then they said that the US intervenes everyday and you just don't here about it. They brought Osama and I said that was a case of intervention. They then went on about how Osama was a rich boy who ran off to Afghanistan to fight the Russian communists, and when that was over he turned his sights on American Capitalists. I gave up at this point and they said That they tired of people complaining when we help them, and that they should be thankful. They kept acting like I supported what Osama did because I pointed out the reason why he did it.

My question, how do you respond to neocons like this?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 26, 2013, 11:14:30 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on August 26, 2013, 07:28:31 PM
So I watching CNN with a family member and they were talking about how the US might intervene in Syria.

look, Syria can do without another western power fucking them up. any further intervention is risky, and dangerous. besides, Syrian women are often too cute for Americans... :P

QuoteThey supported it on the grounds that if it can be used there, it can be used anywhere.

it isn't really working out in Iraq, or Afghanistan. and Lybia is still a mess, with all the trouble going on there courtesy of the fanatics. so where do they come up with this "if it works here it works everywhere" guff?

QuoteI replied pointing out the idiocy of intervening when they were already killing each other with guns, so why should the US gov intervene just because they started using chemical weapons. Then I said that intervening  just makes it worse.

you should have shown them Tom Murphy's latest video: the Syrian government has allowed inspectors in. 3 hours after that announcement, Obama went on record to say that the Syrians refused to let them in. Not that this has bearing on whether Asad's soldiers used these or not, but it does demonstrate that no matter what happens, the US govt. is clearly hell bent on excuse making to get the military invasion they crave.


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QuoteThen they said that the US intervenes everyday and you just don't here about it.

130 countries: I have them listed somewhere. tell me if I missed one. Again, see earlier where I mentioned the effects on Afghanistan and Iraq.


QuoteThey brought Osama and I said that was a case of intervention.

It was not sufficient grounds to oust the Taliban: the Taliban didn't really want Bin Laden to do 9/11, and certainly weren't too thrilled afterwards, but Pahtun custom dictates that he couldn't be expelled. the Taliban leader basically said this himself. had a seal team 6 style ooperation been done in 2001, Taliban wouldn't be fighting us.....

Quote
They then went on about how Osama was a rich boy who ran off to Afghanistan to fight the Russian communists, and when that was over he turned his sights on American Capitalists. I


1. He was right to do so under Muslim law. the Communists were invading a Muslim country, and oppressing the people. And even leaving Islam out of this, his intentions were decent enough: to help people against an oppressive invader.
2. He only turned on the US when the Saudi Government rebuffed his and his fellow mujahideen's offer, and then to add insult to injury, allowed the quartering of US and foreign (non Muslim) soldiers in Saudi Arabia. While technically not in violation of the Laws of the Hurum, the precedences were such that B. Laden felt justified in his outrage.
3. he was also outraged (rightly so) at the acts of the US in the Holy land (supporting Israel), and in propping up dictatorships in our lands (Mubarak, the Saudi King, the Yemeni government, Even Saddam for a while).

Quotegave up at this point and they said That they tired of people complaining when we help them, and that they should be thankful. They kept acting like I supported what Osama did because I pointed out the reason why he did it.

when helping us doesn't involve killing us, we can be thankful. I do not understand why they assume we Arabs and Muslims are all masochists...

QuoteMy question, how do you respond to neocons like this?

I'd tell them "fuck you", but they're your family, so I have no suggestions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 27, 2013, 02:41:55 PM
eli nope on youtube has given us this gem

Quotei claim that "correct" is also a subjective claim. what is correct to one person is not correct to another. there is no objective form of "correct" outside of mathematics.

Spot the contradictions?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 27, 2013, 07:04:11 PM
[yt]HwA9xZLeZ_8[/yt]

Honestly, this is even IE material.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on August 27, 2013, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: D on August 27, 2013, 07:04:11 PM
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Honestly, this is even IE material.
That was pretty entertaining.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on August 27, 2013, 10:59:00 PM
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/26/ea-we-dont-ship-a-game-at-ea-that-is-offline

Another reason I loathe EA. You'd think they learn after The Sims Online and the Xbox One.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on August 28, 2013, 01:37:02 AM
Quote from: D on August 27, 2013, 07:04:11 PM
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Honestly, this is even IE material.

Last time they tried to create a world caliphate it splintered into many different factions, didn't it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 28, 2013, 02:42:59 PM
(https://sphotos-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/64436_503159606428664_606257026_n.png)

Stick to actual science Neil.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 28, 2013, 03:30:29 PM
How is it logically possible to eliminate the rich? If you eliminate the richest people, doesn't that just make the next people down the rich?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 28, 2013, 03:50:22 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 28, 2013, 03:30:29 PM
How is it logically possible to eliminate the rich? If you eliminate the richest people, doesn't that just make the next people down the rich?

It's the old "rich = evil" schtick bt the more yo think about it wouldn't it be more desirable to eliminate the poor? Not as in get rid of the people but rather the condition.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 28, 2013, 04:46:51 PM
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All comments from Frank Castle and Types10000 where they espouse their "morality is subjective and dependent on the society" garbage. I'll post some of the more recent gems from Castle



QuoteInstead of arguing "right" or "wrong" I simply appeal to power - if some one attempts to harm me (such as enslavement), I have no qualms with dealing harm to them: thus it is in the best interests of those who desire to do me harm to leave me be - lest they suffer severe consequenses (up to and including death).

Translaiton: Slavery is only wrong if the perspective slaves can defend themselves. In otherwords "might makes right" and they call US social darwinists?

QuoteSince "right" and "wrong" are dependent upon social context, what ultimately matters is whether those around you perceive enslaving another as being "right" or "wrong" that makes it so in the eyes of society - and since such notions are always in flux you can't count on what is "right" or "wrong" right now to always be such...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on August 28, 2013, 07:02:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__vv6eRj2-k



"Anarcho capitalism makes no sense at all, call it capitalism without state, or pure capitalism or savage capitalism whatever the fuck

As far as I'm concerned you can't have a opression-free society where money is power, makes absolutely no sense."
-FelpHero

Implying that money is somehow oppressive.

"Anarchists have a negative view towards the inherently hierarchical power relations in capitalist society and support workers' self management. AnCaps are generally ridiculed by proper anarchists."
-ElectricUnicycleCrew

What is up with anarchosyndicalists and hierarchy? Also no true scotsman fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 28, 2013, 08:39:12 PM
well, someone should share the old Near Eastern Saying, which goes: "the farmer is more important than the Sultan. Why? because without him the Sultan starves".

put another way, if deGrasse-Tyson wants to eliminate the wealthy, then he must first eliminate the poor. And once both are gone, where will those in the middle be?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 28, 2013, 10:51:36 PM
Oy...this one is painful.

It starts off with someone I know giving what seemed like a nice write up on MLK's speech when suddenly a remark is made that is just baffling. The claim being that Trayvon Martin would still be alive were it not for racism.

Needless to say, I called this bullshit out for what it was. I was then bombarded with these hippie horse shit throwers claiming that I'm "disrespectful" for calling a dumb opinion that is FACTUALLY WRONG bullshit. Then the OP comes back in the thread and really stupids it up.

[spoiler](http://oi43.tinypic.com/2iv1u7d.jpg)[/spoiler]

And before I even finished this post, IT MANAGED TO GET WORSE!
[spoiler](http://i39.tinypic.com/2wnzcqd.jpg)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 28, 2013, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on August 28, 2013, 07:02:27 PM
"Anarcho capitalism makes no sense at all, call it capitalism without state, or pure capitalism or savage capitalism whatever the fuck

As far as I'm concerned you can't have a opression-free society where money is power, makes absolutely no sense."
-FelpHero

Implying that money is somehow oppressive.

*puts a loonie on the desk*

Okay, oppress me!

.....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 29, 2013, 01:05:10 PM
(http://www.nyu.edu/projects/ollman/images/cartoon01.gif)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 30, 2013, 08:15:40 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 28, 2013, 11:07:45 PM
*puts a loonie on the desk*

Okay, oppress me!

.....

Or, as Perchik and Tevye put it:

Perchik: Money is the world's curse.
Tevye: May the Lord smite me with it. And may I never recover.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 30, 2013, 08:21:52 AM
Tevye: I understand that there is no shame in being poor, but it is no great honor, either.

(None of these FotR quotes are fail, BTW.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 30, 2013, 09:24:05 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on August 29, 2013, 01:05:10 PM
(http://www.nyu.edu/projects/ollman/images/cartoon01.gif)

"well how did you get the machines?"

"I took a loan and risked losing everything."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 30, 2013, 09:30:54 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on August 30, 2013, 09:24:05 AM
"well how did you get the machines?"

"I took a loan and risked losing everything."

Exactly! How could he sell the products to buy the machines when he has to buy the machines to make the products in the first place?

It's just more Labor Theory of Value bogosity.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 30, 2013, 09:42:51 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 30, 2013, 09:30:54 AM
Exactly! How could he sell the products to buy the machines when he has to buy the machines to make the products in the first place?

It's just more Labor Theory of Value bogosity.

"How did you get the machines?"

"I payed workers to make products so I could sell them."

"Out of thin air?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on August 30, 2013, 12:44:50 PM
Quote from: D on August 28, 2013, 02:42:59 PM
(https://sphotos-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/64436_503159606428664_606257026_n.png)

Stick to actual science Neil.


Greatkingrat88 over at Deviantart tried to defend Neil's position (http://comments.deviantart.com/1/396776830/3194292782) after BlameThe1st derided it (http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Neil-deGrasse-Tyson-Overrated-396776830).

Neil Degrasse Tyson is a brilliant scientist. I think he knows what he's talking about- if he disses the social sciences, then he probably knows better than you do. Where, I wonder, is your degree in astrophysics?

I literally did a 2x Facepalm Combo (http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx4sxdn1Cd1r8o3tpo1_500.gif) upon reading this. This isn't the first time Greatkingrat88 has taken issue with BlameThe1st's positions, but a statement like this makes me think he/she is just doing it to be contrary.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 30, 2013, 01:31:35 PM
1. There really isn't enough of Degrassi's opinion there to form an opinion about his opinion.
2. That Social Science is not actually Science is a commonly held opinion. (I'm not sure one way or the other; although case studies, and polls and such seem to be a big part of SS, and I'm told that those are not scientific.)
3. It's entirely possible Degrassi's point was to not confuse social science with science (see 2)
4. There does seem to be a somewhat anti-capitalist tilt in many middle school social studies texts (I don't remember having "social studies" in high school).
5. A degree in field X does not make you an expert in things not related to X. In this case, how does a degree in astrophysics=expert in sociology?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on August 30, 2013, 03:15:03 PM
Everything said by shchpendrop here

[yt]2O_QdTSi-B8&lc=xSaRZSZgWiYGZAPq8hdYdLq3ufz8lSA1FP7Mkul5f94[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 30, 2013, 03:25:30 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on August 30, 2013, 03:15:03 PM
Everything said by shchpendrop here

[yt]2O_QdTSi-B8&lc=xSaRZSZgWiYGZAPq8hdYdLq3ufz8lSA1FP7Mkul5f94[/yt]
Dang it! Beat me to it! :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 30, 2013, 06:46:17 PM
[yt]qo_BDi0qyjg[/yt]

Yeah, I hope that unemployment was worth doubling the pay of whoever is left after they lay people off.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on August 30, 2013, 08:00:26 PM
Quote from: D on August 30, 2013, 06:46:17 PM
[yt]qo_BDi0qyjg[/yt]

Yeah, I hope that unemployment was worth doubling the pay of whoever is left after they lay people off.
So I take it they failed economics their Senior year?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 30, 2013, 08:19:10 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on August 30, 2013, 08:00:26 PM
So I take it they failed economics their Senior year?

Knowing how economics in public schools works today, they probably passed with flying colors.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 30, 2013, 09:00:42 PM
This picture is not the fail quote (it's actually a fav):

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/49357caf3224701dfd6257864beeebd9/tumblr_msbss031iJ1qfhtxxo1_500.jpg)

The comments in the reddit thread (http://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/1lekk8/the_real_problem/cbyp0wt), however, are:
Quotepeace_kitty: Big government is not the problem. The government of the United States is not big. It's not big enough to protect us from big businesses. It's not big enough to educate all our children properly. It's not big enough to protect us from our own criminals. It's not big enough to provide healthcare and essentials to those in need.

BlameThe1st: Big government IS the problem. The government of the United States IS big. It's big enough to force airline passengers to undergo strip searches and invasive pat-downs before boarding a plane. It's big enough to target citizens for indefinite detention, lethal force, and drone strikes without even so much as clear evidence against them. It's big enough to overfill our prisons with citizens whose only crime is smoking a plant. It's big enough to spy on citizens while prosecuting or pursuing citizens who leak its own secrets. It's big enough to force citizens to purchase health insurance regardless of whether or not they can afford it. It's big enough to seize journalist phone records. It's big enough to monitor political groups. It's big enough to invade the world in the quixotic quest to spread democracy.

Yes, the government is big and it is a problem! Claiming otherwise is to admit you have been sleeping for the past year or decade or century.

thefuckdude: Yeah, that's bullshit. The problem is not the government but the corporations. The cartoon your posted yourself depicts that.

BlameThe1st: No, the cartoon depicts the government and corporations as one entity, which they are.

Corporations are not the problem. They are the symptom. Government is the problem.

How do you solve the problem of business in government? Get government out of business!

thefuckdude: Umm, no, get the corporations out of the government is definitely the way to go. They control the public opinion.

BlameThe1st: Only because the government has the power to manipulate the market. Why else do you think they spend so much lobbying it to tilt things in their favor? Would they bother doing so if government didn't have that power?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on August 30, 2013, 09:07:16 PM
Quote from: D on August 30, 2013, 06:46:17 PM
[yt]qo_BDi0qyjg[/yt]

Yeah, I hope that unemployment was worth doubling the pay of whoever is left after they lay people off.

You want to know what's the Irony. The politicians who would vote for the raise in the minimum wage are the same ones debasing the value of the dollar.

Didn't Shane say that if wages kept up with productivity the wage should have been 22$ an hour, but it isn't because the government taxed and inflated it the other 13$ out existence? Correct me if I'm wrong here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 30, 2013, 09:55:00 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on August 30, 2013, 09:07:16 PM
You want to know what's the Irony. The politicians who would vote for the raise in the minimum wage are the same ones debasing the value of the dollar.

Didn't Shane say that if wages kept up with productivity the wage should have been 22$ an hour, but it isn't because the government taxed and inflated it the other 13$ out existence? Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Actually, I believe Shane was using that to illustrate what would happen if we followed the labor=value model (which ignores a bunch of other factors) and he makes the point that an arbitrary minimum actually makes some people's labor worthless (or worth less) on the remains of the market. To that, I'd add that even if we made the entry-level wage 22$/hr , that would not guarantee that wage would have the same value (read: buying power) that a 7$/hr wage had the day before we got stupid (I mean gave everybody the "raise")
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 30, 2013, 11:29:40 PM
My dad is watching Family Guy on Adult Swim right now and the episode that came on is pure fail.

"The Old Man and The Big 'C'."

In this episode, Carter Puderschmidt, Lois' father finds a cure for cancer and refuses to release it because he believes there wouldn't be enough profit in curing disease.

Of course Seth MacFarlane would believe this is what businesses actually think.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 31, 2013, 04:50:40 AM
Quote from: D on August 30, 2013, 11:29:40 PM
My dad is watching Family Guy on Adult Swim right now and the episode that came on is pure fail.

"The Old Man and The Big 'C'."

In this episode, Carter Puderschmidt, Lois' father finds a cure for cancer and refuses to release it because he believes there wouldn't be enough profit in curing disease.

Of course Seth MacFarlane would believe this is what businesses actually think.
Also sounds a might bit conspiratorial of MacFarlane....  Not that I'm surprised.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 31, 2013, 12:16:05 PM
WTNH, the local news station here, put up a story about Syrians in Connecticut pleading for US intervention in Syria.

[yt]S0deHEQ_bY0[/yt]

While I feel sorry for this woman, if they honestly think that this alone is good enough of a reason for us to intervene in Syria, they're absolutely bonkers. They absolutely refuse to even question the White House and have left some major hints that they are in favor of Obama attacking.

Another example of this was yesterday when they sent a guy out to Hartford to talk to protesters. The interviewer, Josh Scheinblum, asks a protester what solution he would give as opposed to military intervention. The protester then proceeds to talk about how we need to be careful what information we hear because we were told lies as justification for invading Iraq. Scheinblum then takes the mic away while he's talking and exclaims, "I asked for a solution! That's not a solution!" or something to that effect.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 31, 2013, 02:58:07 PM
Quote from: D on August 31, 2013, 12:16:05 PM
WTNH, the local news station here, put up a story about Syrians in Connecticut pleading for US intervention in Syria.

[yt]S0deHEQ_bY0[/yt]

While I feel sorry for this woman, if they honestly think that this alone is good enough of a reason for us to intervene in Syria, they're absolutely bonkers. They absolutely refuse to even question the White House and have left some major hints that they are in favor of Obama attacking.

Another example of this was yesterday when they sent a guy out to Hartford to talk to protesters. The interviewer, Josh Scheinblum, asks a protester what solution he would give as opposed to military intervention. The protester then proceeds to talk about how we need to be careful what information we hear because we were told lies as justification for invading Iraq. Scheinblum then takes the mic away while he's talking and exclaims, "I asked for a solution! That's not a solution!" or something to that effect.
So in other words, Scheinblum is a burden shifting scumbag and turd.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 01, 2013, 11:18:32 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on August 30, 2013, 09:55:00 PM
Actually, I believe Shane was using that to illustrate what would happen if we followed the labor=value model (which ignores a bunch of other factors) and he makes the point that an arbitrary minimum actually makes some people's labor worthless (or worth less) on the remains of the market. To that, I'd add that even if we made the entry-level wage 22$/hr , that would not guarantee that wage would have the same value (read: buying power) that a 7$/hr wage had the day before we got stupid (I mean gave everybody the "raise")

Actually, the point was that if we'd kept our money silver, that $1 minimum wage in 1960 would be worth about $22 today. This very strongly suggests that the increasing disparity between increased pay and increased production is due to the debasement of the dollar.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on September 01, 2013, 05:34:26 PM
[yt]WYKnZRF7098[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 01, 2013, 07:45:32 PM
(https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/554504_489231181172122_1634158094_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 01, 2013, 08:04:23 PM
Doubleday's a douche.

And it isn't "Libertarian research". it's "proper research", and "shitty research".  being known for either has nothing to do with Politics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 01, 2013, 11:08:28 PM
Ho-Re Cow.

This fail's quite a doozey.

From the comments of Shane's awesome video here:
[yt]S2OsdoAAjsE[/yt]

Every single comment from a dude calling himself Eli Nope is a massive horrifying fail.

A sample:

Shane:  "And the difference between rape and lovemaking IS NOT SUBJECTIVE."

shchpendrop:  "Then how do you tell the difference?" (Oh, did I mention every comment this pillock leaves is a fail?  Because it is.)

Shane: "Wow, REALLY? You're REALLY asking me how to tell the difference between rape and lovemaking?
Thank you once again for showing how statism poisons the mind."

shchpendrop: "The difference is the presence of consent, of course."

Shane:  "Then why did you have to ask?"

Eli Nope:  "because that makes it subjective. it is subject to consent."

That's just the tip of the (fail?)berg.  Check the comments but I suggest heavy alcohol consumption.  This guy is completely out of his mind.  This is what subjectivism/postmodernism does to you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 01, 2013, 11:19:52 PM
Also, Eli Nope's comments on this video too: [yt]anP42zvPPRQ[/yt]

Hell, shchpendrop's comments on all of Shane's Atheism and Libertarianism videos thus far are all epic fails.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 02, 2013, 09:55:01 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 01, 2013, 08:04:23 PM
Doubleday's a douche.

And it isn't "Libertarian research". it's "proper research", and "shitty research".  being known for either has nothing to do with Politics.

I'm a bit late to the party, I know.

I don't think he was calling it "libertarian research", he was saying libertarians do research. Which is kind of odd for him to say, since obviously he hadn't done any :p .

On the topic he was on about: If you think about it, there's pretty much no such thing as NOT genetically modified food, because we've been selectively breeding the food plants and animals for the attributes we want the food to have pretty much since we emerged as a species. The only difference, essentially, is 21st century technology has made us exponentially more efficient at it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 03, 2013, 07:22:13 PM
(http://www.policestateusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/viral-military-photo.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 03, 2013, 08:52:05 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 02, 2013, 09:55:01 AM
I'm a bit late to the party, I know.

I don't think he was calling it "libertarian research", he was saying libertarians do research. Which is kind of odd for him to say, since obviously he hadn't done any :p .

yeah, you're right XD

yeah, we all think the same about GMO's then: everything domesticated is sort of a GMO

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 03, 2013, 10:07:50 PM
Quote from: D on September 03, 2013, 07:22:13 PM
(http://www.policestateusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/viral-military-photo.jpg)
Says this while making a sign.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 04, 2013, 06:03:29 PM
Quote from: D on September 03, 2013, 07:22:13 PM
(http://www.policestateusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/viral-military-photo.jpg)

Might want to read your oaths again pal because they very clearly state that it IS your duty to refuse to follow unlawful orders.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 04, 2013, 07:11:51 PM
(https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s403x403/1003081_355874264545758_1942361182_n.jpg)

Had potential to be win if the punchline was actually funny and not stupid. Maybe something like, "Why don't you attack yourself?"

Oh well, it's fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 04, 2013, 09:23:16 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on September 04, 2013, 06:03:29 PM
Might want to read your oaths again pal because they very clearly state that it IS your duty to refuse to follow unlawful orders.

Now you got me curious as to the circumstances leading to this guy holding the sign. (Up until you mentioned "unlawful orders", I was going on "dude is sick of everybody holding up hand-written notes for the camera, so he held up a hand written note for the camera)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 05, 2013, 08:04:36 AM
[yt]TV4U_FDUI6M[/yt]

So, now I've got morons on this videos, who 1. aren't smart enough to figure I'm not a liberal. 2. are now saying that adhd is fake.

God I hate Zo's fans more!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 05, 2013, 02:02:50 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 05, 2013, 08:04:36 AM
[yt]TV4U_FDUI6M[/yt]

So, now I've got morons on this videos, who 1. aren't smart enough to figure I'm not a liberal. 2. are now saying that adhd is fake.

God I hate Zo's fans more!
Yeah, despite being constantly corrected too.  Pathetic.  Hell, I laughed my fucking ass off at the one saying the video/you needed lessons in "theology, government history and manners".  Projection so hard we could use these conservatards to summon Batman.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 05, 2013, 02:03:26 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on September 04, 2013, 06:03:29 PM
Might want to read your oaths again pal because they very clearly state that it IS your duty to refuse to follow unlawful orders.
Probably because he thinks that means being a slave/meatshield/drone--oh, I'm sorry, 'troop' for govco and doing everything they say without a single thought or question.  So basically, the way the Prussian educational system trained them too.  If you or anyone else thinks they or govco give two shits about "oaths" you're dreaming. (I know you know this, but I'm just saying for folks in general.)

Also, OP of that pic needs a kick in the balls and that's being nice.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 05, 2013, 02:11:12 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/9-lessons-from-greatest-college-movie-ever/
Translation/TL;DR: "blah blah blah, you should be grateful you turds, blahblahblah if college doesn't work for you it's 100% your fault, never theirs and that's 100% moral/good/right blahblahblah"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 05, 2013, 06:31:21 PM
So I love my Power Systems Analysis professor (honest!), but goddamn, I am glad we are done (I hope) with the politics part of the stuff.
He went on talking about how (brace yourself):

The utilities companies are natural monopolies...while also talking about how they are granted/given monopoly status. /facepalm
He goes on to say that the structure--"vertically integrated regulated monopolies" in case you're curious--has been a huge success and is giving us cheap/plentiful power.  To which I even wrote in my notes: "Compared to what, Einstein?"  He also goes on about how deregulation caused the rolling blackouts in California in the 1980s and how it caused the financial meltdown we're dealing with now.

The problems with the 'deregulated utility market' was:
"1) No one knew who generated the power delivered to their homes.
2) Transmission capacity or a lack thereof.
3) How do you know there is enough for everyone to buy?  On the grounds that if you take away their monopoly status and their obligation to provide everyone with power within their monopoly region, there is no reason for them to do so.
4) Who is responsible for the losses?
Okay, some background on 4, in this country (can't say for others), when you pay for power, you power not just for the power consumed, but for the power lost in the form of heat as well.
Well, gee, that explains why they aren't too keen on being more efficient--they get paid the same either way.
I mean, come on! This isn't rocket science ffs!
And why they don't increase transmission capacity.  Again, they get paid the same regardless.
He also uses an argument from incredulity as to why they are a natural monopoly: "It doesn't make sense to have 2-3 power companies competing in an area!"  Did I mention this guy came from the Former Soviet Union? Yeah, it shows.  (edit: as Hawkeye said--He should know better if he saw the Soviet Union first hand.  Shameful.)

As for the four things listed?  That sounds less like 'deregulation' and more like "tragedy of the commons" aka, something you get with government.

Finally, he also stated that "If gov't doesn't regulate the prices of the power companies, being monopolies they can just charge whatever the want!" "--1) Duh. 2)  And that rate will be the monopoly rate, not "as high as they want it to be".  I mean, come on! This is literally econ 101 here.   So yeah, we need govco to regulate monopolies...that they themselves created.  /headdesk
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 05, 2013, 06:42:51 PM
And yeah, another professor (this one of my capstone project) said something relating to politics (more or less) that wasn't...bogus per say, but still made me want to punch a kitten.

It was talking about how "fiber optics are the industry standard at around 40 Gbit/second" and how "an investor who puts money into them tends to make it all back in 12 hours."
Two things.  First, if that true, I'd like to know why Verizon STILL hasn't gotten to making them even available for guys like me, who still have to put up with their shitty 88 KB/s on a good day DSL.  Second, if the latter thing with investers is true, why the fuck aren't they being implimented right fucking now?  FFS! Who the hell do I have to blow to get a decent internet connection, dammit!  Just reeks of govco monopoly, you know?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 05, 2013, 06:46:33 PM
To conclude, I like my professors.  Really, I do.  But goddamnit when they talk about shit they don't understand, it's just painful.  This must be how Thunderf00t or Richard Dawkins feel when listening to a creationist talk about "evolutionism".  Or how Shane felt while watching "The Secret".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 05, 2013, 10:02:33 PM
"Fuck Capitalism, it's the cancer of this planet."--SMGJohn

From the comments of this fail video: 

[yt]-X5uXZXYvKE[/yt]

I mean, it's from a guy called "MaoistRebelNews2" ffs.  That should tell you all you need to know.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 06, 2013, 12:55:39 AM
[yt]JqfnIqIrX9E[/yt]

The majority of the comments on this video. People think that America refers to a single continent.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 06, 2013, 04:49:07 AM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 06, 2013, 12:55:39 AM
[yt]JqfnIqIrX9E[/yt]

The majority of the comments on this video. People think that America refers to a single continent.

Well, if you look at a map (actually LOOK at it) America IS a single continent. So is Eurasiafrica.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 06, 2013, 05:58:51 AM
Libertarianism and the "Crony Capitalism" Dodge http://www.demos.org/blog/9/5/13/libertarianism-and-crony-capitalism-dodge

Right, like we don't have objective definitions for free market capitalism and "crony capitalism" (or corporatism) that we can apply.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 06, 2013, 10:27:11 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 06, 2013, 05:58:51 AM
Libertarianism and the "Crony Capitalism" Dodge http://www.demos.org/blog/9/5/13/libertarianism-and-crony-capitalism-dodge

Right, like we don't have objective definitions for free market capitalism and "crony capitalism" (or corporatism) that we can apply.
Ugh.  And of course the word/phrase they use is "crony capitalism" which isn't capitalism at all. >_<
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 06, 2013, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 06, 2013, 10:27:11 AM
Ugh.  And of course the word/phrase they use is "crony capitalism" which isn't capitalism at all. >_<

Although I do like the portmanteau "crapitalism."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on September 06, 2013, 05:54:44 PM
[yt]INmtQXUXez8[/yt]

Well I knew it was going to be bad but not this bad
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 06, 2013, 10:59:27 PM
buckstarchaser on this video by the onion.
[yt]UNdhFi3MHZQ&lc=6U0XGNsL5wRkp7fZIko5cf1PMZXu3vZS6T7JbRZtMqs[/yt]

Fail in red.
Me in Blue.

Hydraulic Fracturing, also called hydrofracking or fracking... Outside of humor, it contaminates large reserves of groundwater and renders it deadly to humans. One showy side effect of this is that people can often light their tap water on fire as shown in the documentary called Gasland. The gas companies don't own the water rights though so they make a tidy profit from selling water on the side after poisoning the wells... Hence, it makes good soil for sarcastic humor such as this show.

SO you rely on a documentary and not actual scientific papers?

The documentary I listed was for an example of what it looks like to light your tapwater on fire. As far as "scientific papers" go, I'd like to point out that I went to the store today to buy ice cream and ended up with "frozen dairy desert". That's about how much science and "scientific papers" are related to each other. Always remember that anyone who gets paid to do science, by definition, is not a scientist.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 06, 2013, 11:33:50 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 06, 2013, 10:59:27 PM
buckstarchaser on this video by the onion.
Fail in red.
Me in Blue.

Hydraulic Fracturing, also called hydrofracking or fracking... Outside of humor, it contaminates large reserves of groundwater and renders it deadly to humans. One showy side effect of this is that people can often light their tap water on fire as shown in the documentary called Gasland. The gas companies don't own the water rights though so they make a tidy profit from selling water on the side after poisoning the wells... Hence, it makes good soil for sarcastic humor such as this show.

SO you rely on a documentary and not actual scientific papers?

The documentary I listed was for an example of what it looks like to light your tapwater on fire. As far as "scientific papers" go, I'd like to point out that I went to the store today to buy ice cream and ended up with "frozen dairy desert". That's about how much science and "scientific papers" are related to each other. Always remember that anyone who gets paid to do science, by definition, is not a scientist.

I bet Stephen Hawkings, Richard Dawkins, and Neil Degrasse Tyson will be so thrilled to hear they are not scientists!

If you want your "frozen dairy desert" to be ice cream, as opposed to iced milk, stay away from the soft-serve machine.

If the gas company doesn't own the water, how in blue blazes (actually, the documentary would have been more compelling if there was blue blazes, as opposed to orange ones) does it make a penny selling it "on the side"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 07, 2013, 08:07:25 AM
http://v.i4031.net/StatistFallacies/ChristiansMustSubmit
The only fail (that I've found) in an otherwise awesome wiki.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 07, 2013, 08:18:39 AM
[yt]wmAZNQb55IA&start=330[/yt]

Start around roughly @5:30 to get past the boring announcements and irrelevant crap.  Basically, he's arguing against anarchy against some dude named Luke12000 or something.  I'll give you a teaser--he brings up the 'who will build the roads' argument and the 'what about the environment' argument.  That is literally all you need to know.  Though still watch it anyways because...ho-re cow...it is epic fail and painful.

EDIT: Fixed.  Thanks for the code for that, Shane! :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 07, 2013, 08:26:52 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 07, 2013, 08:18:39 AM
Start around roughly @5:30 to get past the boring announcements and irrelevant crap.  I would have posted the video to start at that time, but I don't know how. :(

After the video ID, you put in "&start=" (no quotes) and the number of seconds in you want to start, in this case 330 seconds for 5:30. Like this:

[yt]wmAZNQb55IA&start=330[/yt]

[yt]wmAZNQb55IA&start=330[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 07, 2013, 08:40:22 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 07, 2013, 08:26:52 AM
After the video ID, you put in "&start=" (no quotes) and the number of seconds in you want to start, in this case 330 seconds for 5:30. Like this:

[yt]wmAZNQb55IA&start=330[/yt]

[yt]wmAZNQb55IA&start=330[/yt]
As I said in my original post, thanks for the code, Shane. :)

As for the video itself--hoo wee! If I recall correctly, the 'arguments' against anarchism are as follows:

1) Shifting the burden of proof: (NO YOU GUYS HAVE TO PROVE THAT YOUR SYSTEM WOULD WORK!  JUST SHOWING HOW THE GOVERNMENT SUCKS ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH!)
2) Roads: "TO BUY THE LAND IT WOULD COST HUNDREDS OF TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS BUT GOVCO CAN JUST TAKE THE LAND TO USE FOR ROADS THUS CUTTING THE COST!"
3) The environment:  "WHAT'S TO STOP CORPORATIONS FROM DESTROYING THE ENVIRONMENT?!"
That's the main crux of the video.

The one that always annoyed/trumped me was the bit about roads he makes...but then I heard Shane pointing out easily verifiable examples of private roads and thought "well, I guess TJ is full of shit then".  I mean, if that's true, why not simply extend that to other aspects?  Last I checked, TJ runs a business; but it would cost a lot of money for someone to buy it.  So why not have the state buy and then run it.  No? You aren't for that TJ? Then kindly stfu, and no, this isn't "different!" you speculating and special pleading buffoon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 07, 2013, 09:32:50 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 07, 2013, 08:40:22 AM

1) Shifting the burden of proof: (NO YOU GUYS HAVE TO PROVE THAT YOUR SYSTEM WOULD WORK!  JUST SHOWING HOW THE GOVERNMENT SUCKS ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH!)


I'm not so sure they don't have a point on that one. Normally, the person making the positive claim has the burden of proof. In this case, the positive claim would be "private enterprise can (fill in the blank) better than the government". (And each individual claim would have to be argued separately - i.e. The argument for roads is separate from the argument for education, etc.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 07, 2013, 09:39:43 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 07, 2013, 09:32:50 AM
I'm not so sure they don't have a point on that one. Normally, the person making the positive claim has the burden of proof. In this case, the positive claim would be "private enterprise can (fill in the blank) better than the government". (And each individual claim would have to be argued separately - i.e. The argument for roads is separate from the argument for education, etc.)

Actually, no, the positive claim is that we need government to do this, since government actively uses force to make everyone do things their way. I explain it in this video:

[yt]anP42zvPPRQ[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 07, 2013, 09:52:13 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 07, 2013, 09:39:43 AM
Actually, no, the positive claim is that we need government to do this, since government actively uses force to make everyone do things their way. I explain it in this video:

[yt]anP42zvPPRQ[/yt]
And in the comments on said video.  That is, just because we phrase it differently (e.g. like a positive) does NOT mean it is a positive.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 07, 2013, 10:15:03 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 01, 2013, 11:08:28 PM
Ho-Re Cow.

This fail's quite a doozey.

From the comments of Shane's awesome video here:
[yt]S2OsdoAAjsE[/yt]

Every single comment from a dude calling himself Eli Nope is a massive horrifying fail.

A sample:

Shane:  "And the difference between rape and lovemaking IS NOT SUBJECTIVE."

shchpendrop:  "Then how do you tell the difference?" (Oh, did I mention every comment this pillock leaves is a fail?  Because it is.)

Shane: "Wow, REALLY? You're REALLY asking me how to tell the difference between rape and lovemaking?
Thank you once again for showing how statism poisons the mind."

shchpendrop: "The difference is the presence of consent, of course."

Shane:  "Then why did you have to ask?"

Eli Nope:  "because that makes it subjective. it is subject to consent."

That's just the tip of the (fail?)berg.  Check the comments but I suggest heavy alcohol consumption.  This guy is completely out of his mind.  This is what subjectivism/postmodernism does to you.

And another super fail from Eli Nope: "so i reject the claim that libertarianism is a non-positive claim. until further evidence is provided i will consider it another form of statism and government as any other form of government."  (from the comments of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anP42zvPPRQ )  So according to him, the absence of something a form of the non-absence of something?  Then later in the comments he backpedals and starts going into the "justification is subjective" horseshit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 07, 2013, 02:53:59 PM
The blond woman's dialogue in the second panel:

(http://www.leragecomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/le-mom.png)

Just...why are there people who think such insane, horrible things.  Why?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 07, 2013, 03:09:44 PM
(https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1185042_638762356156824_1389607521_n.png)

What makes this even funnier is the fact that Being Liberal blocks more people than a Level 9 game of Tetris.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 07, 2013, 03:40:55 PM
So I'm arguing with some idiots on facebook over the ordinance that the San Antonio City Council just passed preventing people from discriminating against gays, and this is the latest post.

"Your original "point" didn't make sense since protection against discrimination isn't special or unique to the LGBT community.

People can be bigots in their own time but if you run a business, there are rules and regulations you must follow when serving the public, or else we allow segregation to return."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 07, 2013, 04:28:28 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 07, 2013, 03:40:55 PM
So I'm arguing with some idiots on facebook over the ordinance that the San Antonio City Council just passed preventing people from discriminating against gays, and this is the latest post.

"Your original "point" didn't make sense since protection against discrimination isn't special or unique to the LGBT community.

People can be bigots in their own time but if you run a business, there are rules and regulations you must follow when serving the public, or else we allow segregation to return."
The OP of the quote apparently doesn't know that segregation was a LAW passed by government.  Not a SOP of business because they liked it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 07, 2013, 05:02:17 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 07, 2013, 03:40:55 PM
So I'm arguing with some idiots on facebook over the ordinance that the San Antonio City Council just passed preventing people from discriminating against gays, and this is the latest post.

"Your original "point" didn't make sense since protection against discrimination isn't special or unique to the LGBT community.

People can be bigots in their own time but if you run a business, there are rules and regulations you must follow when serving the public, or else we allow segregation to return."

I hate so called Equality people!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 07, 2013, 05:48:17 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 07, 2013, 04:28:28 PM
The OP of the quote apparently doesn't know that segregation was a LAW passed by government.  Not a SOP of business because they liked it.

I suspect there was a little bit of both involved, minus the "liking it" part, which has nothing to do with anything. For the most part, business SOP's tend to follow whatever is the cultural norm at any given time - and at that time ... (shouldn't need to be said)

Also, the end of segregation was a law passed by government, although technically speaking, it originally only applied to... well, the government.

Quote"Your original "point" didn't make sense since protection against discrimination isn't special or unique to the LGBT community.

Actually, I'd like to know what the original point was... But anyway, protection against (any number of violations) shouldn't have to be "special" or "unique" - it should be "common" and "ordinary".

Which gives me an excuse to bring up a point that's aggravated me for as long as I can remember: The argument that because you're not (whatever not-special "special" circumstances some schmuck thinks they have) means you can't have an opinion on anything that might affect (people in said circumstances).
Title: the Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 07, 2013, 09:29:17 PM
well, I guess pretentious titles are not the sole preserve of dictators from today or the Cold war (the title of Imad ad-din Zengi, assassinated in 1146):

Quoteسلطان الشام وغيره الأمير الاسفهسلار الكبير العادل المؤيد المظفر المنصور الأوحد عماد الدين ركن الاسلام ظهير الأنام قسيم الدولة معين الملة جلال الأمة شرف الملوك عمدة السلاطين قاهر الكفرة والمتمردين قامع الملحدين والمشركين زعيم جيوش المسلمين ملك الأمراء شمس المعالي أمير العراقين والشام بهلوان جهان الب غازي ايران اينانج قتلغ طغرلبك أتابك أبو سعيد زنكي بن اق سنقر نصير أمير المؤمنين.

translation:

[spoiler] the Sultan of the Levant and elsewhere the amir, the general, the great, the just, the aider (of God), the triumphant, the victorious, the unique, the pillar of the religion, ornament of the same, treasure of the state, protector of the people, the majesty of the nation, honor of Kings, supporter of the sultans, conqueror of the infidels and rebels, suppressor of the Atheists and Polytheists, leader of the Muslim armies, king of the princes, sun of the deserving, prince of the two Iraqs and of the Levant, Pahlavan, Jihab, alp conqueror of Iran Inaanaj qatlagh, tagharlbak, atabag, abu sa'eed zengi son of aaq sunqur, protector of the prince of the believers (i.e. the Caliph)[/spoiler]

here's the title of his enemy, the governor of Damascus:

Quoteوصاحب دمشق الأمير الاسفهسلار الكبير العادل المؤيد المظفر المنصور ظهير الدين عضد الاسلام ناصر الامام تاج الدولة سيف الملة محيي الأمة شرف الملوك عماد الأمراء كهف المجاهدين زعيم جيوش المسلمين أبو سعيد اتق بن محمد بن بوري أتابك سيف أمير المؤمنين.

[spoiler]rule of Damascus, the amir, the general, the great, the just, the aider of god, the triumphant, the victorious, triumpahtor of the religion, the arm of Islam, protector of the imam (it could also mean border area: hard to tell), crown of the state, sword of the people, bringer of life to the nation, honor of kings, pillar of Princes, cave* of the mujahideen, leader of the Muslim armies, abu sa'eed ataq son of Muhammad son of Buri atabeg sword of the prince of Believers[/spoiler]

*as in shelter


thankfully, the guy who recorded these long-winded titles (ibn al-qalaanisi (1070-1160)) wasn't exactly a fan of them..here's what he had to say:


QuoteI have  neglected in what I have mentioned of the affairs of the sultans of the time previously, and would like to take advantage of this time to mention their established adjectives and their free titles, so as to avoid their repetition in their entirety and taking too long to mention them, that and there is no established custom nor correct path in any classified history or published book for such a thing, but rather the custom is to strike off the full title and their rejection among those of knowledge and literature.

basically, he's saying that at the rate Sultan's names keep getting added to, he simply wouldn't have the space to write down the history itself...
Title: Re: the Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 08, 2013, 04:42:40 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 07, 2013, 09:29:17 PM
well, I guess pretentious titles are not the sole preserve of dictators from today or the Cold war (the title of Imad ad-din Zengi, assassinated in 1146):

translation:

[spoiler] the Sultan of the Levant and elsewhere the amir, the general, the great, the just, the aider (of God), the triumphant, the victorious, the unique, the pillar of the religion, ornament of the same, treasure of the state, protector of the people, the majesty of the nation, honor of Kings, supporter of the sultans, conqueror of the infidels and rebels, suppressor of the Atheists and Polytheists, leader of the Muslim armies, king of the princes, sun of the deserving, prince of the two Iraqs and of the Levant, Pahlavan, Jihab, alp conqueror of Iran Inaanaj qatlagh, tagharlbak, atabag, abu sa'eed zengi son of aaq sunqur, protector of the prince of the believers (i.e. the Caliph)[/spoiler]

here's the title of his enemy, the governor of Damascus:

[spoiler]rule of Damascus, the amir, the general, the great, the just, the aider of god, the triumphant, the victorious, triumpahtor of the religion, the arm of Islam, protector of the imam (it could also mean border area: hard to tell), crown of the state, sword of the people, bringer of life to the nation, honor of kings, pillar of Princes, cave* of the mujahideen, leader of the Muslim armies, abu sa'eed ataq son of Muhammad son of Buri atabeg sword of the prince of Believers[/spoiler]

*as in shelter


thankfully, the guy who recorded these long-winded titles (ibn al-qalaanisi (1070-1160)) wasn't exactly a fan of them..here's what he had to say:


basically, he's saying that at the rate Sultan's names keep getting added to, he simply wouldn't have the space to write down the history itself...

Swap out the Islam-specific references for Christian ones, and you'd have a fair semblance any number of medieval European ruler's titles.  Similar replacement would render the titles styled by any number of despotic rulers of other cultures.
Title: Re: the Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 08, 2013, 05:32:56 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on September 08, 2013, 04:42:40 AM
Swap out the Islam-specific references for Christian ones, and you'd have a fair semblance any number of medieval European ruler's titles.  Similar replacement would render the titles styled by any number of despotic rulers of other cultures.

yeah, that doesn't bode well....As an Atabeg (really bad), Imad ad-din was both mild and popular (which isn't saying much, but it means he's still considered a hero): he was a known drunkard, mass murderer, and oath breaker--all of which al-qalaanisi noted. imagine what worse people were styled with.


Oh, wait, it actually gets pretty amusing--and even borderline blasphemous--at times. like this guy (from Iran--contemporary to the above two):

[spoiler]Sultan of Khorasan, the exalted, the grand Shahenshah*, ruler of the necks of the nations, lord of the Arab and Foreign Sultans, protector of God's faith, ruler of the servants of God, the protector of the lands of God, sultan of God's Earth, deputy of the Caliph of God, honorer of the world and of the religion, shelter** of Islam and Muslims, arm of the conquering state, crown of the triumphant people, rescuer of endangered nations, father of al-harth sanjar son of malik-shah, physical expression of the power*** of the prince of the believers".[/spoiler]

a slightly more humble character, related to the above:

[spoiler]Sultan of Iraq, the exhalted Sultan, the grand Shahenshah, ruler of the necks of the nations, ruler of the Arabs and Foreigners, majesty of God's faith, sultan of God's Earth, protector of God's servants, protector of God's lands, triumphator of the Caliph of God, rescuer of the world and of the faith, cornerstone of Islam and the Muslims, arm of the conquering state and savior of endangered nations father of al-fat7****, mas'ud son of Muhammad son of malik-shah, treasure of the prince of the believers[/spoiler]

*Persian title, meaning, "king of kings". so yeah, he's apparently "the grand king of kings". Obviously he's competing with the Chinese Emperor.
**yep, using that word for cave again (kahf)
*** in the original Arabic, the word is"burhaan", which is somewhat hard to translate. the above is an approximation.
****it can also mean "father of the conquest".

you just know it's bad when the titles get really fancy, so as to require commentary on the names themselves...That and they really don't live up to the title (Imad ad-din Zengi never ruled or conquered Iran, or all of Iraq, or much more than the area of modern day Northern Syria and Iraq. He was still a talented commander, known to be the scourge of the crusaders.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 08, 2013, 07:49:57 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 07, 2013, 05:02:17 PM
I hate so called Equality people!

Yeah, equality for everyone EXCEPT business owners. We don't get our right to free assembly for some reason.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2013, 08:01:45 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 07, 2013, 05:48:17 PM
I suspect there was a little bit of both involved, minus the "liking it" part, which has nothing to do with anything. For the most part, business SOP's tend to follow whatever is the cultural norm at any given time - and at that time ... (shouldn't need to be said)
It was not a cultural norm, it was a government norm.  Do you honestly think businesses voluntarily hired additional people to keep blacks/etc out just so they could lose more money?  Hell, check out the free version of Mary J Ruwart's book Healing Our World.  She cites examples of business owners even *RIGHT AFTER* the Civil War (but before the laws of segregation were passed) saying "fuck it" and choosing their wallet over their bigotry!

Quote from: dallen68 on September 07, 2013, 05:48:17 PMAlso, the end of segregation was a law passed by government, although technically speaking, it originally only applied to... well, the government.
1)  Even if I accept that at face value, solving a problem you yourself caused doesn't really make you a hero.  2)  Except it *was* applies to business too, not just gov't.

The rest of your post is unparsable.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2013, 08:06:30 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 08, 2013, 07:49:57 AM
Yeah, equality for everyone EXCEPT business owners. We don't get our right to free assembly for some reason.
[sarcasm in case it wasn't blatant enough]Well isn't that obvious? Because everyone who went to a government approved school knows that they are selfish, evil, greedy, meanie poopy heads who love watching people suffer and who kick puppies when no one's looking. :P  And that our Holy Government is the paragon and literally Polaroid of perfection and anyone who says otherwise is a racist/commie/terrorist/traitor/etc/etc/etc/etc. :P [/sarcasm in case it wasn't blatant enough]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 08, 2013, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 08, 2013, 08:06:30 AMWell isn't that obvious? Because everyone who went to a government approved school knows that they are selfish, evil, greedy, meanie poopy heads who love watching people suffer and who kick puppies when no one's looking.

The thing is, even if that were the case, we even let people like the KKK and the neo-Nazis have their freedom of speech. "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Why can't people apply that same concept to other rights as well?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2013, 08:20:55 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 08, 2013, 08:17:19 AM
The thing is, even if that were the case, we even let people like the KKK and the neo-Nazis have their freedom of speech. "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Why can't people apply that same concept to other rights as well?
Well IIRC, as the comments on your videos from schpendrop (or however it's spelled) goes, apparently, freedom of association is not a right and is just an excuse to be racist...even though it is freedom of association part of self ownership that defines the right of slaves to leave their masters--and no longer be slaves, and of people in nations to not be forcibly annexed into others.  Or of the Jews during the Holocaust to not have to be thrown in concentration camps...but this is different because...well, just because!

But yeah, I honestly don't understand the different treatment of social and economic freedom/liberty that conservatives and liberals do.
Yes, I am aware they are both moving more and more towards the statist part of the Nolan chart, but you know what I mean.
That is, they're both just human action right?  Why does something that is right if done alone/with friends without using money somehow become wrong when money is involved or vise versa?  I never understood this line of thinking...As long as everyone consents that should be the end of it.  Period.  End of story.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2013, 08:55:10 AM
"The USA's healthcare is a free market and that's why it sucks!" -- Too many people to even list.

Yeah, we've all heard that load of easily falsified garbage.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 08, 2013, 09:42:01 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 07, 2013, 05:48:17 PM
I suspect there was a little bit of both involved, minus the "liking it" part, which has nothing to do with anything. For the most part, business SOP's tend to follow whatever is the cultural norm at any given time - and at that time ... (shouldn't need to be said)

Also, the end of segregation was a law passed by government, although technically speaking, it originally only applied to... well, the government.

Actually, I'd like to know what the original point was... But anyway, protection against (any number of violations) shouldn't have to be "special" or "unique" - it should be "common" and "ordinary".

Which gives me an excuse to bring up a point that's aggravated me for as long as I can remember: The argument that because you're not (whatever not-special "special" circumstances some schmuck thinks they have) means you can't have an opinion on anything that might affect (people in said circumstances).
"So gays getting special privileges that no one else has is equality? Good to know."
They proceeded to call me ignorant and an idiot, and I responded by posting a link to fallacy files about ad hominems. One of them said that the link was irrelevant, and asked for my thoughts, which I gave.
The other guy said he sarcastically said he should be able to discriminate against me for being apart a religious cult.(Implying a must be a Christian to support this policy, and that I support discrimination)

I responded with:"1. I'm not a Christian. 2. I value freedom of association over a phony sense of equality. 3. Just because I disapprove of this law does not mean I support the discrimination. I simply disapprove of forcing people to associate themselves with people they don't like. If you don't want to support some bigot? Then don't do business with them. Also, attacking me instead of my points is a logical fallacy, since you try to discredit my point by attacking me."

The response I got was: "Your original "point" didn't make sense since protection against discrimination isn't special or unique to the LGBT community.

People can be bigots in their own time but if you run a business, there are rules and regulations you must follow when serving the public, or else we allow segregation to return."

I responded with:"They are being bigots on their time. It's their business and their property."
The two responses I got were:" I understand it's hard for you to be empathetic when you're a white male in America. Had you been a young man in the '50s, I'm sure I can imagine what side of the civil rights movement you would have been on."
After this one I just figured it was a lost cause. Being accused of being a racist for simply disagreeing with a retarded policy apparently makes me a racist, and I must lack empathy because of my gender, nationality, and race. People like this piss me off. They act like white nights for all the all the supposed victims in society, but are actually sexists, racists assholes who think every minority needs special protection against the evil man. Any descent is brushed aside like this.


"Considering that businesses can't discriminate against disabled people, other races, etc, I don't see why they should discriminate against LBGT people. I could always do business elsewhere, sure, but it's the principle of the thing."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2013, 09:48:21 AM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 08, 2013, 09:42:01 AM
"So gays getting special privileges that no one else has is equality? Good to know."
They proceeded to call me ignorant and an idiot, and I responded by posting a link to fallacy files about ad hominems. One of them said that the link was irrelevant, and asked for my thoughts, which I gave.
The other guy said he sarcastically said he should be able to discriminate against me for being apart a religious cult.(Implying a must be a Christian to support this policy, and that I support discrimination)

I responded with:"1. I'm not a Christian. 2. I value freedom of association over a phony sense of equality. 3. Just because I disapprove of this law does not mean I support the discrimination. I simply disapprove of forcing people to associate themselves with people they don't like. If you don't want to support some bigot? Then don't do business with them. Also, attacking me instead of my points is a logical fallacy, since you try to discredit my point by attacking me."

The response I got was: "Your original "point" didn't make sense since protection against discrimination isn't special or unique to the LGBT community.

People can be bigots in their own time but if you run a business, there are rules and regulations you must follow when serving the public, or else we allow segregation to return."

I responded with:"They are being bigots on their time. It's their business and their property."
The two responses I got were:" I understand it's hard for you to be empathetic when you're a white male in America. Had you been a young man in the '50s, I'm sure I can imagine what side of the civil rights movement you would have been on."
After this one I just figured it was a lost cause. Being accused of being a racist for simply disagreeing with a retarded policy apparently makes me a racist, and I must lack empathy because of my gender, nationality, and race. People like this piss me off. They act like white nights for all the all the supposed victims in society, but are actually sexists, racists assholes who think every minority needs special protection against the evil man. Any descent is brushed aside like this.


"Considering that businesses can't discriminate against disabled people, other races, etc, I don't see why they should discriminate against LBGT people. I could always do business elsewhere, sure, but it's the principle of the thing."

To be fair, calling someone an idiot/retard/whatever is not an ad-hominem.  It is only an ad-hominem if he tries to use it to defeat your position: "You're a an idiot, therefore you are wrong!"  Also, a refutation which has an insult tacked onto the end is also not an ad-hominem (ex: one of Shane's posts against many a state cultist who had it coming).  Otherwise, a good post.

Also, not sure why he brings up the bit about discrimination against one group of people as if that were something special--as a libertarian I don't think gov't should have ANY say in discrimination with business of ANY group of people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 08, 2013, 10:32:48 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 08, 2013, 09:48:21 AM
Also, not sure why he brings up the bit about discrimination against one group of people as if that were something special--as a libertarian I don't think gov't should have ANY say in discrimination with business of ANY group of people.

I bring it up for the reason you just said, which should have been obvious when I said it. And actually, I was talking about when people use the "you're not surhotchaperchlorome, so you have nothing to say about things that might effect surhotcherchlorome" argument. (You know, as if no one else is not hired somewhere, or not made to feel "comfortable" in the restaurant, or ignored at the party, etc.)Essentially, it closes any possibility of conversation, and thus any possibility of reaching mutual agreement.

And just as an aside: If a business owner doesn't want to serve you, they don't have to. As far as discriminating against LGBT, unlike discriminating for some other reason, you can't look at someone and tell this - so don't bring it up, and then you won't be discriminated against for being LGBT.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2013, 10:35:02 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 08, 2013, 10:32:48 AM
I bring it up for the reason you just said, which should have been obvious when I said it. And actually, I was talking about when people use the "you're not surhotchaperchlorome, so you have nothing to say about things that might effect surhotcherchlorome" argument. (You know, as if no one else is not hired somewhere, or not made to feel "comfortable" in the restaurant, or ignored at the party, etc.)Essentially, it closes any possibility of conversation, and thus any possibility of reaching mutual agreement.

And just as an aside: If a business owner doesn't want to serve you, they don't have to. As far as discriminating against LGBT, unlike discriminating for some other reason, you can't look at someone and tell this - so don't bring it up, and then you won't be discriminated against for being LGBT.
I was talking about the OP on facebook, not you in that post.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 08, 2013, 10:56:22 AM
oh. sorry.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2013, 11:01:55 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 08, 2013, 10:56:22 AM
oh. sorry.
S'okay.  It happens.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2013, 11:06:31 AM
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/5-shocking-statistics-that-prove-working-in-america-sucks/
Notice how all are either caused by or at least made worse by government.  A fail for singling out America--acting like this is somehow unique to this country, and not the rest of the world...
And for this gem on number 2: "Now, we all take comfort in the knowledge that rich people are now richer than they ever were (phew!), but that has the unfortunate side effect of making everyone else poorer."  Yeah, zero sum fallacy or at least ignoring absolute terms.

Let's say I have one dollar and Jim has one dollar.  Jim then gets another.  He's richer, but I am NOT poorer in any meaningful--non-absolute--sense.  I don't know why the socialists other statists have to treat this as some kind of horse race.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 08, 2013, 11:36:38 AM
I would argue that actually even the poorest among us (in America) are better off than we've ever been before. Because of the scales involved in agriculture, food is cheap and plentiful. Because there's like two choices (well, three if you count Linux) for OS's almost everyone has access to information technology.  There's probably a whole list of things that somebody acquired a great deal of wealth from, which actually made something that was otherwise unaccessible to the average person, readily available. For your example, just because Jim now has two dollars, doesn't mean you're worse off. If Jim got his dollar by innovating a way of giving you a buck worth of product for 90 cents, you are actually better off.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2013, 11:45:49 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 08, 2013, 11:36:38 AM
I would argue that actually even the poorest among us (in America) are better off than we've ever been before. Because of the scales involved in agriculture, food is cheap and plentiful. Because there's like two choices (well, three if you count Linux) for OS's almost everyone has access to information technology.  There's probably a whole list of things that somebody acquired a great deal of wealth from, which actually made something that was otherwise inaccessible to the average person, readily available. For your example, just because Jim now has two dollars, doesn't mean you're worse off. If Jim got his dollar by innovating a way of giving you a buck worth of product for 90 cents, you are actually better off.
Exactly.  And as Shane has repeatedly  pointed, the most poor in America today are far better off than even the richest of 100 years.  And yeah, investing the extra money like that is how wealth is created when govco isn't stealing it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 08, 2013, 02:26:40 PM
(https://sphotos-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/64436_503159606428664_606257026_n.png)

This is Photoshopped. There is no 31 of June.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2013, 02:38:26 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 08, 2013, 02:26:40 PM
(https://sphotos-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/64436_503159606428664_606257026_n.png)

This is Photoshopped. There is no 31 of June.
So I just went onto his Twitter account.  I can't find a post like that at all.  Unless the screen-cap was done poorly *and* Neil deleted the post right after the shot was taken, I think it's safe to say that we've been had.

EDIT: Also, good eye nilecroc, you just earned your first cluon/anti-bogon for that. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2013, 02:57:14 PM
[yt]Tkpb52JLJ9A[/yt]

/vomit
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 08, 2013, 03:07:33 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 08, 2013, 02:57:14 PM
[yt]Tkpb52JLJ9A[/yt]

/vomit
I can think of several things we all belong to, and none of them are government.
1. The Human race.
2.The Universe
3.The Earth
4. The Solar System
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2013, 03:09:44 PM
From the comments of this: http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Your-Taxpayer-Money-At-Work-398111593

ryu238: "I didn't know you were for public services... and your right about this too."

BlameThe1st: "Not really. I don't believe they're very effective, however,they're  extremely ineffective when they're cut. Unless there is a viable alternative to them, getting rid of them is not going to solve anything."

ryu238: "True..."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 08, 2013, 05:27:27 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 08, 2013, 02:57:14 PM
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/vomit

The narrator's argument (?) isn't even about being part of government (even with the assertion that it is), what he's actually talking about is being part of community, which is a whole different thing than the claim. Also, maybe if he had actually gotten around to making a point about being part of community? As it is, he didn't even make enough of a statement for the bogon he was trying for to fully form.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2013, 05:31:27 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 08, 2013, 05:27:27 PM
The narrator's argument (?) isn't even about being part of government (even with the assertion that it is), what he's actually talking about is being part of community, which is a whole different thing than the claim. Also, maybe if he had actually gotten around to making a point about being part of community? As it is, he didn't even make enough of a statement for the bogon he was trying for to fully form.
Figures they'd use that tired old "we are the state" horseshit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 08, 2013, 07:39:27 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 08, 2013, 02:38:26 PMEDIT: Also, good eye nilecroc, you just earned your first cluon/anti-bogon for that. :)

make that the second one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 08, 2013, 08:19:19 PM
Why Christians make good libertarians (http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/christians-make-great-libertarians/#.Ui0JyGTXQyE)

Yeah....no.

Romans 13 anyone?

13: 1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.


The bible's pretty clear in its statism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 08, 2013, 09:19:23 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 08, 2013, 02:38:26 PM
So I just went onto his Twitter account.  I can't find a post like that at all.  Unless the screen-cap was done poorly *and* Neil deleted the post right after the shot was taken, I think it's safe to say that we've been had.

EDIT: Also, good eye nilecroc, you just earned your first cluon/anti-bogon for that. :)
Thanks  :D. Someone on BlameThe1st's DeviantArt pointed it out first.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 08, 2013, 11:53:50 PM
Words are cheap. But Putin surely has spoken good words. The time has come for crusades against Islam once again. Europe was saved from Islam long years ago by crusades. If we are wise we will again rise up to defend freedom throughout the world. Islam demands submission to their religious leaders. If we do not fight against Islam, we will lose our freedom.

I was bored and decided to see if there was any connection between Christian beliefs and the gay persecution going on in Russia, so I googled it. I came across an article on christianpost.com and found this fallacious piece of shit in the comments.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/vladimir-putin-vows-to-defend-christianity-worldwide-69002/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 09, 2013, 12:39:56 AM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 08, 2013, 11:53:50 PM
Words are cheap. But Putin surely has spoken good words. The time has come for crusades against Islam once again. Europe was saved from Islam long years ago by crusades. If we are wise we will again rise up to defend freedom throughout the world. Islam demands submission to their religious leaders. If we do not fight against Islam, we will lose our freedom.

I was bored and decided to see if there was any connection between Christian beliefs and the gay persecution going on in Russia, so I googled it. I came across an article on christianpost.com and found this fallacious piece of shit in the comments.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/vladimir-putin-vows-to-defend-christianity-worldwide-69002/

wow...just...wow. Putin is an idiot. So is this guy.

I'm not sure how he came up with this conclusion, when:

1-the Muslims won the Crusades
2-victory did not lead to some mass invasion of Europe by the Mamelukes...Who Frankly even if they wanted to (and they didn't) had other, more dangerous enemies to deal with (i.e. the Mongols).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 09, 2013, 08:01:37 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 09, 2013, 12:39:56 AM
wow...just...wow. Putin is an idiot. So is this guy.

I'm not sure how he came up with this conclusion, when:

1-the Muslims won the Crusades
2-victory did not lead to some mass invasion of Europe by the Mamelukes...Who Frankly even if they wanted to (and they didn't) had other, more dangerous enemies to deal with (i.e. the Mongols).

It would be much more accurate to say that the Mamelukes saved Europe from the Mongols.  Not by defeating them as such, but by delaying them so much that before they could get past Eastern Europe, they had pressing political problems in their home region (specifically, the Emperor died and everything went up in the air) and they never bothered to come back and conquer what they viewed as little better than a system of cesspits filled with religious fanatics.  (And, if you look at Europe at the time, that's not an unfair assessment.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on September 09, 2013, 08:49:34 AM
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=217823435008242&id=172932662830653&aymt_tip=1

Fail is from Ryan Llewrick

and then there is bear lizard at the bottom but thats just bear lizard :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 09, 2013, 09:35:13 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on September 09, 2013, 08:49:34 AM
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=217823435008242&id=172932662830653&aymt_tip=1

Fail is from Ryan Llewrick

and then there is bear lizard at the bottom but thats just bear lizard :P

The best rebuttal I've heard to that crap would be from Hawkeye's journal here (NOT a fail): http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/So-how-s-that-statist-working-out-for-ya-224810132
Then there's the bit Ryan talks of corporate welfare isn't a complaint about the free market, but of the government...Nevermind the fact that corporations, by definition are a creation of the state.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 09, 2013, 02:25:43 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on September 09, 2013, 08:49:34 AM
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=217823435008242&id=172932662830653&aymt_tip=1

Fail is from Ryan Llewrick

You know, a MW advocate who says a burger flipper should be paid $60k a year would at least be consistent and have an ounce of intellectual integrity. The fact that they get so defensive when you mention it smacks of cognitive dissonance.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 09, 2013, 04:38:17 PM
So apparently, my brother thinks that the genesis account of creation accurately describes the big bang. He claims that passage saying let their be light is in order with the big bang when light came, and he claims that the passage that says  "and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." is supposedly describing God being over the plasma that was present in the beginning of the universe. He went on to say that I can't debate creationists without a full understanding of the big bang. I was stumped by this when he first told me this. How would you respond to this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 09, 2013, 05:15:45 PM
Ask him why plants came before the sun.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 09, 2013, 06:46:09 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 09, 2013, 05:15:45 PM
Ask him why plants came before the sun.
Why didn't I think of that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 10, 2013, 12:37:19 AM
http://www.cato-unbound.org/2013/09/09/pascal-emmanuel-gobry/libertarian-case-national-military-service
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 10, 2013, 07:59:37 PM
Ben Swann (http://benswann.com/reality-check-more-americans-are-rethinking-911/) unfortunately joins the conspiratards by spewing more "Building 7" garbage.

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Well, there goes any respect I had for Swann.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on September 11, 2013, 01:51:15 AM
When someone pointed out that subsidies always do more harmt hen good somebody else decided to respond with this gem.


QuoteUnless it's SNAP, Head Start, TANF, or the old AFDC. That makes careers!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 11, 2013, 06:46:30 AM
Everything posted by the TWENTY spammers I just banned (check out TFZ). Geesh.

I've put some extra anti-spam protection on the forum.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 11, 2013, 08:52:43 AM
(https://sphotos-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1186339_10151889783876753_1505617433_n.jpg)

Notice how they don't mention the waiting list he'll get put on, during which time his cancer will progress...

At any rate, that isn't what's going on. He has LOTS of people offering to pay it; it's just his pride that makes him want to pay for it himself (and this could easily be the case in the UK as well, where one can pay for private care). But mostly it's because he wants to leave a nest-egg for his family when he goes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 11, 2013, 12:06:56 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 09, 2013, 05:15:45 PM
Ask him why plants came before the sun.
Because they could'nt get a hard on when they knew someone could see them?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 11, 2013, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on September 11, 2013, 12:06:56 PM
Because they could'nt get a hard on when they knew someone could see them?

And THAT'S the post that gets put at the top of a new page...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 11, 2013, 01:05:40 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 11, 2013, 12:27:11 PM
And THAT'S the post that gets put at the top of a new page...
Natch.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 11, 2013, 01:33:10 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-6-weirdest-things-weve-learned-since-911/
Okay, just from the titles alone, 3 and 1 are going to be epic fails.
Read a bit into 6, and yeah, because our govco trained those people to do that in order to bleed out the Soviet Union (not that it mattered in the long run as Communism--as proven by Mises--is inherently unstable and unsustainable).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on September 11, 2013, 05:01:55 PM
And here's more Fail from 9/11 Truthers

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 11, 2013, 08:19:40 PM
The first 2-3 seconds of it are technically true. Govco "did" use it to propel us into 2.5 wars. (The half war is the one where we ain't sure who the enemy is, or the enemy changes daily)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on September 12, 2013, 02:55:28 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 11, 2013, 08:19:40 PM
The first 2-3 seconds of it are technically true. Govco "did" use it to propel us into 2.5 wars. (The half war is the one where we ain't sure who the enemy is, or the enemy changes daily)


You mean like in 1984 where they had always been at war with Eurasia..er..Eastasia?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 12, 2013, 03:06:07 PM
Yeah, pretty much.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 12, 2013, 04:00:20 PM
Quote from: tnu on September 12, 2013, 02:55:28 PM
You mean like in 1984 where they had always been at war with Eurasia..er..Eastasia?

Oceania.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 12, 2013, 04:55:16 PM
Aaaand FE has finally admitted he's no longer a libertarian.

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QuoteA state can force investment above free market levels, thus leading to greater application of current technology than would occur on a total market, AND can force basic research above total market levels, and can provide social safety nets and services and labor laws that increase employment and reduce work hours per employee.

Better application of currently existing technology, more investment in basic research, keeping investments in the favored nation, and government programs that create peace of mind and socialize health risk. It's better from all angles.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 12, 2013, 11:15:14 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 12, 2013, 04:00:20 PM
Oceania.
Don't you mean the glorious Britannia empire. Those pesky elevens demanding rights.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on September 12, 2013, 11:30:02 PM
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Only on here because the very first character they mention is Sephiroth.

Sephiroth not an anime character! He's a video game character. How do you mess that up?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 12, 2013, 11:35:06 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 12, 2013, 11:30:02 PM
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Only on here because the very first character they mention is Sephiroth.

Sephiroth not an anime character! He's a video game character. How do you mess that up?
Isn't he from FF7?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 12, 2013, 11:55:11 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 12, 2013, 11:35:06 PM
Isn't he from FF7?

Yup. Then again, FF7 is sorta anime-in an awesome video-game-y type way. :D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on September 12, 2013, 11:55:23 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 12, 2013, 11:35:06 PM
Isn't he from FF7?

yes he is. I still have my original hard disk copy of the game too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 13, 2013, 12:36:54 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 12, 2013, 11:55:11 PM
Yup. Then again, FF7 is sorta anime-in an awesome video-game-y type way. :D

meh, Final Fantasy in general is a stupid series anyway--especially including and after FF 10, so who gives a hoot?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 13, 2013, 01:03:47 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 13, 2013, 12:36:54 AM
meh, Final Fantasy in general is a stupid series anyway--especially including and after FF 10, so who gives a hoot?

Many people consider FF7 to be the best linear (meaning you have to follow a specific story line, in case you didn't know) CRPG ever made. After that, most think the series took a crap.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 13, 2013, 11:40:51 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 08, 2013, 11:36:38 AM...Because there's like two choices (well, three if you count Linux) for OS's almost everyone has access to information technology.

Four if you count Solaris.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 13, 2013, 11:44:11 AM
/vomit
Well, I didn't expect to be bukkaked with stupid this morning.

So the good news was that I when I went to get my haircut this morning, no one else but the barber was there (yay! :D).  I even got my beard trimmed. ^_^

The bad news is that when I was in the chair at some point him and my dad started talking about how "everything is made in China these days" (my dad) how "you shouldn't trust people in business in China" (the barber), and talking about American jobs, how China is bad for workers, is only in it for the money, the usual cliche's.  Ugh.  Would it kill people to not talk about economics--or express their bigotry in public like that? Especially early in the bloody morning?
The ironic thing? The barber is Vietnamese.  And he's the proprietor of the barbershop.  Yeah.
Don't get me wrong, he's a nice guy and all (as is my dad) but damn.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 14, 2013, 01:01:07 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 13, 2013, 11:44:11 AM

, is only in it for the money, the usual cliche's. 

What else would they be in it for? The lulz?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 15, 2013, 02:26:38 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/nasa-voyager1-has-officially-carried-remains-of-jo,33854/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 15, 2013, 02:29:38 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 15, 2013, 02:26:38 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/nasa-voyager1-has-officially-carried-remains-of-jo,33854/

Um, you do realize that's The Onion, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 15, 2013, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 09, 2013, 12:39:56 AM
wow...just...wow. Putin is an idiot. So is this guy.

I'm not sure how he came up with this conclusion, when:

1-the Muslims won the Crusades
2-victory did not lead to some mass invasion of Europe by the Mamelukes...Who Frankly even if they wanted to (and they didn't) had other, more dangerous enemies to deal with (i.e. the Mongols).

Too be honest, Nobody won that war. The two sides just decided to stop fighting.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 15, 2013, 03:20:07 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 15, 2013, 02:29:38 PM
Um, you do realize that's The Onion, right?
My bad. I thought I was in Fav Quotes for some reason.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 15, 2013, 06:32:38 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 15, 2013, 02:49:41 PM
Too be honest, Nobody won that war. The two sides just decided to stop fighting.

The Mamelukes' (and Muslims as a whole) sole objective in the Crusades was to drive out the Crusaders in the Holy Land. In this they enjoyed total success, driving the last of them out in 1291 at Acre. So yeah, the Muslims won from an operational perspective. The Crusaders could have mounted an invasion, but as you correctly mentioned, they kind of lost interest, and there were juicier Non-Catholic targets (Prussia, Andalusia, Rhodes etc). The Mamelukes also lost interest, but that was because there was no one left to fight in the Holy land--not a single Crusader in fact--so they focused on fighting Mongols. (if anything, by 1260, the campaign against the Crusaders was a sideshow to the great struggle against the Mongols)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 15, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 13, 2013, 01:03:47 AM
Many people consider FF7 to be the best linear (meaning you have to follow a specific story line, in case you didn't know) CRPG ever made. After that, most think the series took a crap.

Only because they never played the previous games.

FF7 is a good game that thinks it's a great game.  The gameplay is solid enough but the story is muddied by horrible translation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 15, 2013, 09:04:27 PM
"Guns have won. Period. The people who make them have won. The people who sell them have won. The people who want to use them to shoot up elementary schools have won. Iowa's arming the blind. The NRA's fighting state laws to reduce the amount of lead in the bullets used for hunting because there's evidence that the lead in abandoned carcasses is leaching into the environment, and lead does very bad things to the body. We have decided to be an armed nation. And the next time some lunatic opens fire in a movie theater, it really would be nice if we could dispense with the maudlin national mourning pageants on cable-TV and admit that these are the kind of things with which we have chosen to live. It at least would be honest." -Charles Peirce
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on September 16, 2013, 11:09:13 PM
This Tumblr exists. (http://thisiscapitalistprivilege.tumblr.com/image/61307629492) Oh Celestia, it exists!

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/99198709a2ea5ceaea2efd3e60e601ef/tumblr_mt69gt6w7h1sia3lho1_1280.png)

If capitalism had anything to do with the Holocaust, it was that the Nazis considered it an invention of the Jews. Anti-capitalism does have close ties to anti-Semitism. Those Jews do own the big banks, after all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on September 17, 2013, 05:48:41 AM
This pic is going in shit statist say

Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 16, 2013, 11:09:13 PM
This Tumblr exists. (http://thisiscapitalistprivilege.tumblr.com/image/61307629492) Oh Celestia, it exists!

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/99198709a2ea5ceaea2efd3e60e601ef/tumblr_mt69gt6w7h1sia3lho1_1280.png)

If capitalism had anything to do with the Holocaust, it was that the Nazis considered it an invention of the Jews. Anti-capitalism does have close ties to anti-Semitism. Those Jews do own the big banks, after all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 17, 2013, 12:46:50 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 16, 2013, 11:09:13 PM
This Tumblr exists. (http://thisiscapitalistprivilege.tumblr.com/image/61307629492) Oh Celestia, it exists!

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/99198709a2ea5ceaea2efd3e60e601ef/tumblr_mt69gt6w7h1sia3lho1_1280.png)

If capitalism had anything to do with the Holocaust, it was that the Nazis considered it an invention of the Jews. Anti-capitalism does have close ties to anti-Semitism. Those Jews do own the big banks, after all.

And here we go.  That word "privilege" again.  Damn near every time I hear it, it seems to be bullshit.

Reminds me of Feminists QQ'ing about how oppressed they are by "rich white Christian heterosexual males".  Yet as Morrakiu proved, white males are the least oppressive males on the entire planet.  And given murder statistics (who is murdered), it sounds like women, especially older white women are the least oppressed people on the face of the earth.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 17, 2013, 05:02:49 PM
 Oh, this is "good" (for a laugh)

http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/09/13/christianity-has-done-more-for-science-than-atheism-ever-could/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 17, 2013, 06:05:07 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 17, 2013, 05:02:49 PM
Oh, this is "good" (for a laugh)

http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/09/13/christianity-has-done-more-for-science-than-atheism-ever-could/


Oh God....

well, time to tear it up:

QuoteOur governor here in Kentucky has decided to implement the new Common Core "Next Generation" science standards. Progressives are celebrating this move for a few reasons : 1) It will put us in line with many other states, which is great because we all know a diverse and enriching education must be in utter uniformity with the national collective and in compliance with the federal agenda. 2) The criteria calls for a renewed emphasis on man-caused climate change and, of course, evolution. Evolution — atheistic, nihilistic, materialistic, mindless evolution — must be taught as fact, without other ideas presented to compete with the theory.

1. Good for the governor: if we must have official curricula (something I oppose), it might as well teach what isn't bullshit.
2. Funny, I didn't know Scientific theories had a religious leaning.....And there is nothing to compete with it on the scientific front.

QuoteProponents say that atheistic evolution is the only thing that belongs in the classroom because religion and science just don't mix.

No, I propose that evolution be taught in science classrooms, simply because it is the best--and only--reasonable scientific model we have to account for the diversity of life. I am not against teaching that God created life, but that belongs in a different class (namely, religion class), and should not be mandatory.

QuoteI agree, partially at least. Some religions don't gel with science — religions like Scientology or, say, Atheism. The followers of the COA (Church of Atheism) are not only hostile to science, they are aggressively allergic to history and philosophy as well. They are the ones who constantly need to alter and warp these subjects, so as to fit them all in their tiny little box of nihilism and emptiness. A Christian doesn't need to be so selective and manipulative because he is part of something full, rational, multi-faceted and universal. He is part of something that, as Chesterton said, has "a multiplicity and subtlety and imagination about the varieties of life which is far beyond the bald or breezy platitudes of most ancient or modern philosophy. In a word, there is more in it; it finds more in existence to think about; it gets more out of life."
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Atheism makes no implications on how life achieved its diversity: it certainly does not imply Evolution is correct. Nor does it have any bearing on science. Also, what about Christian Creationists? they come across as manipulative motherfuckers--same with the Muslim creationists I've had to deal with, or Hindu, or Buddhist, or Jewish, or yes, even the occasional Atheist ones (don't ask--long story: just switch God with Aliens or something to get an idea).


The rest can be rebutted in the following summary: yes, Christianity itself is no hinderence to science. Same with Islam , Buddhism, Sikhism, Hinduism, and yes, Judaism. But here's the thing: it wasn't necessarily because they were Christian or Muslim or Hindu that they made their discoveries: it was because they wondered about the world about them, and weren't afraid of Dogma to do their thing. They didn't see science as "Atheist" or "Christian" or what have you: they drank the water for what it was. However, when religion is used to prop up the political power of a ruler or a hierarchy (say, the papacy, or the post Mongolian Muslim world, etc), then knowledge and progress with decline: because it becomes the case that curiosity is treason: if one can overturn the Earth Centered model, what's to stop the overturning of a pope? or a Caliph? In fact, Galileo was suppressed, not because it was against the bible what he found, but because it was seen as a threat to papal authority during the thirty years' war. That is why I do not want religion with government: it's like Gasoline and water, or Uranium in an implosion device...the result is total destruction.

And Steno is not the Father of Geology; Hutton was. seriously man, what the fuck....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 17, 2013, 06:36:50 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 17, 2013, 05:02:49 PM
Oh, this is "good" (for a laugh)

http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/09/13/christianity-has-done-more-for-science-than-atheism-ever-could/
That title alone gives off too many bogons for me to get close to it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on September 17, 2013, 06:53:11 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 17, 2013, 06:36:50 PM
That title alone gives off too many bogons for me to get close to it.

My bogometer blew up
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 18, 2013, 03:42:51 AM
From the Los Angeles Times:

QuoteThe amount of bandwidth used for copyright infringement in North America, Europe and Asia Pacific has grown nearly 160 percent since November 2011, accounting for 24 percent of total Internet bandwidth...

Really? One quarter of the world's internet bandwidth is used for piracy?

QuoteIn January 2013, 327 million unique users illegally sought copyrighted content

So, the population of the United States illegally seeks illegal content? And it's 'unique users', so it's literally saying 327 million individual  people tried to get something illegally; as opposed to claiming 3.27 million tried to get 100 items each, or 1 person tried to get 327 million items.


Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on September 18, 2013, 04:47:29 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 18, 2013, 03:42:51 AM
Really? One quarter of the world's internet bandwidth is used for piracy?

and the rest is used for porn. But on another note this whole page.

http://liberapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Libertarianism

and ths article as well.

http://quotulatiousness.ca/blog/2012/10/07/libertarian-propaganda-appears-even-in-video-games-like-minecraft/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 18, 2013, 06:06:40 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 18, 2013, 03:42:51 AM
Really? One quarter of the world's internet bandwidth is used for piracy?

One quarter is used for file sharing. They just ASSUME that all file sharing is piracy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 18, 2013, 07:12:24 AM
Quote from: tnu on September 18, 2013, 04:47:29 AM
http://quotulatiousness.ca/blog/2012/10/07/libertarian-propaganda-appears-even-in-video-games-like-minecraft/
I'm sorry, I couldn't get through that because I was laughing too hard.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 18, 2013, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: tnu on September 18, 2013, 04:47:29 AM
http://quotulatiousness.ca/blog/2012/10/07/libertarian-propaganda-appears-even-in-video-games-like-minecraft/
I stopped reading at the beach metaphor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 18, 2013, 11:41:33 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 16, 2013, 11:09:13 PM
This Tumblr exists. (http://thisiscapitalistprivilege.tumblr.com/image/61307629492) Oh Celestia, it exists!

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/99198709a2ea5ceaea2efd3e60e601ef/tumblr_mt69gt6w7h1sia3lho1_1280.png)

If capitalism had anything to do with the Holocaust, it was that the Nazis considered it an invention of the Jews. Anti-capitalism does have close ties to anti-Semitism. Those Jews do own the big banks, after all.

I would have thought this was something from The Onion had you not provided the link.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 18, 2013, 12:30:04 PM
Every post by Carl Dabbah.
" @Van: Actually short bus the latest statistics indicate more people in the Republican Party are on welfare than Democrats living in the "Ghetto." Also nine of the top ten welfare collecting states have Republican Governors. The states with the worst infrastructures and education systems are also Republican controlled states. You have it backwards you fuckwit. It's the taxes of Democrats that are supporting you welfare collecting trailer trash conservatards. Don't even get me started on farm subsidies or as I like to call it "farm.""


"There is nothing lower than a white trash Teabagger on welfare complaining about blacks and hispanics on welfare. True story..."

"I also saw the rankings for the best and worst public educational systems in the country on that page 9 of the top 10 are Republican dominated states. No big surprises there,right?"
Here's another cool stat. The welfare programs in this country have not overpaid anybody on welfare but you know who did get overpaid? People collecting farm subsidies were overpaid 17 million dollars last year alone and six Republican members of congress collect farm subsidies. All six have openly criticized the current welfare program in this country. Hmmmmmm?!"


"Van thinks Democrats are stupid or at least says that because he is a wealthy Republican. He doesn't want to be taxed his fair share like the rest of us. You are in the simplest terms a greedy bastard trying to protect his stash. I can see why.I really can Van. You have a very pretty wife and yet you look like Telly Savalas,lmfao!!! Do you think she's with you fir your good looks and glowing personality? I kinda' doubt it...."
https://m.facebook.com/560763173956743/timeline/story?ut=2&hash=2220504706862121027&wstart=0&wend=1380610799&pagefilter=1&ustart&__user=100000247848017
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 18, 2013, 03:51:14 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 18, 2013, 08:21:29 PM
This is absolutely frightening: http://fox6now.com/2013/09/16/young-boy-donates-savings-to-greenfield-police-department/

"Young boy donates savings to Greenfield Police Department"

And why?

""In social studies class we learned about 9/11 and all the great things the police and fire department did," Siepert said."

Hmph. Guess they didn't bother covering asset forfeiture. And statists wonder why we call public schools state indoctrination centers!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 18, 2013, 09:16:13 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 18, 2013, 08:21:29 PM
This is absolutely frightening: http://fox6now.com/2013/09/16/young-boy-donates-savings-to-greenfield-police-department/

"Young boy donates savings to Greenfield Police Department"

And why?

""In social studies class we learned about 9/11 and all the great things the police and fire department did," Siepert said."

Hmph. Guess they didn't bother covering asset forfeiture. And statists wonder why we call public schools state indoctrination centers!
Or all the dog causalities caused by the drug war.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 18, 2013, 09:59:24 PM
"In fact you remove a lot of risk by doing things together. The more people, the less risk for the individual. In Denmark we more or less all pay the price for the risk people take. Nothing can really go wrong and you "always" get another chance. I don't mind a system like that and it does make sure that people are prepared to risk a little more and it creates more mobility in society. Of course with globalisation and all, such a system is under attack and it will probably not hold, unless more adopt such a system.

History also shows that some of the great progress in farming, was solved with a socialistic form of ownership. Today, more and more go together to form such relationships again in order to compete and minimise risk."

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=488474394581134&set=a.348807318547843.78731.347681038660471&type=1&relevant_count=1
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 18, 2013, 10:28:07 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 18, 2013, 08:21:29 PM
This is absolutely frightening: http://fox6now.com/2013/09/16/young-boy-donates-savings-to-greenfield-police-department/

"Young boy donates savings to Greenfield Police Department"

And why?

""In social studies class we learned about 9/11 and all the great things the police and fire department did," Siepert said."

Hmph. Guess they didn't bother covering asset forfeiture. And statists wonder why we call public schools state indoctrination centers!
Pardon me while I shit blood and bile...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 18, 2013, 11:10:01 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 18, 2013, 08:21:29 PM
This is absolutely frightening: http://fox6now.com/2013/09/16/young-boy-donates-savings-to-greenfield-police-department/

"Young boy donates savings to Greenfield Police Department"

And why?

""In social studies class we learned about 9/11 and all the great things the police and fire department did," Siepert said."

Hmph. Guess they didn't bother covering asset forfeiture. And statists wonder why we call public schools state indoctrination centers!

well there goes his future down the drain. what was that, his college savings? Lord knows College is a bitch without financial support!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 19, 2013, 06:10:59 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 18, 2013, 11:10:01 PM
well there goes his future down the drain. what was that, his college savings? Lord knows College is a bitch without financial support!

Actually, it was only a bit over $10, but that's not the point.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 19, 2013, 12:42:01 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-sexist-video-game-problems-even-bigger-than-breasts/
Yes, the bring up the damsel stuff too in #5....really cracked?  Are you kidding me?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 19, 2013, 12:52:27 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 19, 2013, 12:42:01 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-sexist-video-game-problems-even-bigger-than-breasts/
Yes, the bring up the damsel stuff too in #5....really cracked?  Are you kidding me?
I stopped reading when I saw Ellie from the last of us.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 19, 2013, 02:26:08 PM
After quoting Natural News as if they were a legitimate source of anything and using them to talk about GMOs, Ben Swann is officially dead to me as far as any serious and honest journalism is concerned.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 19, 2013, 02:29:44 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 19, 2013, 12:42:01 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-sexist-video-game-problems-even-bigger-than-breasts/
Yes, the bring up the damsel stuff too in #5....really cracked?  Are you kidding me?

You don't even get past the first paragraph without encountering major fail: "Dead or Alive uses more computer power to model Kasumi's breasts than NASA had for the moon landings. That's actually not a joke." Your average pocket calculator uses more computer power than NASA's Apollo computer!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 19, 2013, 03:54:56 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 19, 2013, 12:52:27 PM
I stopped reading when I saw Ellie from the last of us.

Ya, so A fourteen year old girl isn't gonna need help from people trying to kill her?!?
Hell, she can barely knife a dude without making noise. (at least from my own experience.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 19, 2013, 04:41:23 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 19, 2013, 02:29:44 PM
You don't even get past the first paragraph without encountering major fail: "Dead or Alive uses more computer power to model Kasumi's breasts than NASA had for the moon landings. That's actually not a joke." Your average pocket calculator uses more computer power than NASA's Apollo computer!

well, I can safely report that the fail was so great, it crashed my Firefox!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 19, 2013, 05:47:54 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 19, 2013, 02:29:44 PM
You don't even get past the first paragraph without encountering major fail: "Dead or Alive uses more computer power to model Kasumi's breasts than NASA had for the moon landings. That's actually not a joke." Your average pocket calculator uses more computer power than NASA's Apollo computer!

Well it's not wrong. It is using more processing power. Mind you the moonlanding was less creepy than the big bouncy rubber boobs, even if they had discovered Moon Monsters.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on September 19, 2013, 08:10:55 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151585412111621&set=a.95877021620.99699.46675576620&type=1&relevant_count=1

Without government investing in it(the Internet) when there was zero profits to be seen, and funding the development of Mosaic, it never would have happened. And specifically with Al Gore's High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 19, 2013, 08:26:06 PM
Quote from: VectorM on September 19, 2013, 08:10:55 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151585412111621&set=a.95877021620.99699.46675576620&type=1&relevant_count=1

Without government investing in it(the Internet) when there was zero profits to be seen, and funding the development of Mosaic, it never would have happened. And specifically with Al Gore's High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991.
--From Diogenes Principle.  Yeah.  That person is a fucktard.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 19, 2013, 11:45:06 PM
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The video itself isn't fail, its the cultists supporting the gang members extorting him on bullshit charges are.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 20, 2013, 10:14:25 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html
The fail article I promised in fav quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on September 20, 2013, 10:24:50 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 20, 2013, 10:14:25 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html
The fail article I promised in fav quotes.

One of the reasons why I skip any David Wong article.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 20, 2013, 10:51:59 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 20, 2013, 10:14:25 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html
The fail article I promised in fav quotes.
So did he skip high school biology?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 20, 2013, 11:14:02 AM
So my psychology just blamed just blamed people hating America's foriegn intervetionist policy on gun rights supporters. He then said that you can't let people carry guns on campus because you can't tell whose psychotic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 20, 2013, 02:28:59 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 20, 2013, 11:14:02 AM
So my psychology just blamed just blamed people hating America's foriegn intervetionist policy on gun rights supporters. He then said that you can't let people carry guns on campus because you can't tell whose psychotic.

Then we should force all men to wear chastity belts because you can't tell who's a rapist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on September 20, 2013, 03:07:12 PM
Fail comments on YouTube? Must be a day ending in "Y."

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Here's some from one MrDoubtfulguest, who has, umm, "issues," with anarchism. Myself in blue, he in red.

I learn about anarchy from actual anarchists -- anarchists who respect private property, who hold themselves to moral principles, and who reject the initiation of violence and other forms of coercion.

...try those book things, because I think your pals are libertarians (absent intellectual rigor) calling themselves anarchists without knowing the first thing about anarchism. They probably just think it sounds cool.

Your ad hominem aside, I think the people you're calling anarchists are the ones who don't know the first thing about it.

Furthermore, I'm not going to go hunting for your evidence for you, regardless of the media it's on. If you have evidence, you provide it yourself.

I think it is SO cute when little internet tots use Latin. I've noticed "ad hominem" is a big one with the internet generation, some sort of meme with the little poseurs. Oh, you wouldn't know "evidence" if it came up and pissed on your shoes because you don't READ.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 20, 2013, 03:17:16 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on September 20, 2013, 03:07:12 PM
Fail comments on YouTube? Must be a day ending in "Y."

[yt]cqUE8u4RNWs[/yt]

Here's some from one MrDoubtfulguest, who has, umm, "issues," with anarchism. Myself in blue, he in red.

I learn about anarchy from actual anarchists -- anarchists who respect private property, who hold themselves to moral principles, and who reject the initiation of violence and other forms of coercion.

...try those book things, because I think your pals are libertarians (absent intellectual rigor) calling themselves anarchists without knowing the first thing about anarchism. They probably just think it sounds cool.

Your ad hominem aside, I think the people you're calling anarchists are the ones who don't know the first thing about it.

Furthermore, I'm not going to go hunting for your evidence for you, regardless of the media it's on. If you have evidence, you provide it yourself.

I think it is SO cute when little internet tots use Latin. I've noticed "ad hominem" is a big one with the internet generation, some sort of meme with the little poseurs. Oh, you wouldn't know "evidence" if it came up and pissed on your shoes because you don't READ.
Give him this:  http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ad+hominem
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 20, 2013, 04:24:52 PM
(https://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aAYD4mg_700b.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 21, 2013, 09:05:03 AM
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I want to punch Alex Jones in the face. I really really do.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 22, 2013, 12:02:00 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 22, 2013, 12:11:16 PM
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/601766_646553812044345_1138924231_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on September 22, 2013, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: D on September 22, 2013, 12:11:16 PM
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/601766_646553812044345_1138924231_n.png)

When did we have a recovery? But more on the topic, I can't vouch for this video i'm about to post since I haven't watched it yet but naturally you can find plenty of fail in the comments.

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Some samples.

QuoteOkak, Now your really beginning to sound like an idiot. People like you simply don't understand how the world works. You think everything in politics is just so simple. And that all your opinions can be done with just a few words. You have to look at the whole picture, instead of just your deluded one. The only country I can think of that has as much freedom as us is some third world counties. But it doesn't work as enlightening as you might think in those other countries.

2. You really do sound selfish when you make silly comments like this. This isn't a movie, I know you wish it was, but it isn't. I'm sure this weird ass thinking of yours came from reading to much fictional books, and probably some pot head on welfare checks and food stamps told you it, and now you just want to be different. People like to make the claim that we have been lied to are whole lives. Cause you no, we live in North Korea. In America we can literately look up anything we want on Bing.

3. Unlike Russia, we can browse the internet however we like, and countries that actually have it bad. We can leave are country and go anywhere we want. In any part of the world. Don't you think of are corrupt evil Government was trying to "brainwash us" they would let us visit other parts of the world. Keep us confined in are own country all the time. Like North Korea for instance.

4. If our country really was brain washing us, they wouldn't give a rats ass about the constitution and are freedom. But they do. They wouldn't ask us about gun control, they would just take are guns. They could easily not allow flights leaving the Country. Now I'm sure this wont convince you, you bat shit conspiracy kids don't take your wrong for an answer. Even when presented with facts. Your too stuck in your fantasy world. Which is exactly where your real enemies want you to be.

I'm reminded of a quote. "Not as shit as it could be is not the same as good" for one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 22, 2013, 12:53:01 PM
Every single comment left on Shane's videos by Underlings.

A sample from Part 1 of his atheism/libertarianism series:
[yt]anP42zvPPRQ[/yt]

"Since slaveless societies EXISTED throughout the world (including nations comparable to the US), THAT was evidence that abolition of slavery could work. But you're making a claim WITHOUT supportive evidence, only ASSERTING that large statelessness can work.

You go out of your way to insult me for challenging your claims...yet I'M the evil fuck? You evidently have some serious anger issues to work out. Are you capable of mature debate or is this the best I can expect from you?"

Speaks for itself.  So how many logical fallacies in that can you name?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on September 22, 2013, 03:19:43 PM
http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/bschwar1/Sci.Amer.pdf
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 22, 2013, 03:38:18 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on September 22, 2013, 03:19:43 PM
http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/bschwar1/Sci.Amer.pdf
Ugh.  Reminds me of a win article from the Mises Institute more or less obliterating that 'happiness research' horseshit.
https://mises.org/daily/5356
A sample: "The concept of demonstrated preference is simply this: that actual choice reveals, or demonstrates, a man's preferences; that is, that his preferences are deducible from what he has chosen in action. Thus, if a man chooses to spend an hour at a concert rather than a movie, we deduce that the former was preferred, or ranked higher on his value scale. ... This concept of preference, rooted in real choices, forms the keystone of the logical structure of economic analysis, and particularly of utility and welfare analysis."--courtesy of Murray Rothbard.
I posted the above in fav quotes too.  It was a very good read.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 22, 2013, 07:59:07 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 22, 2013, 12:53:01 PM
Every single comment left on Shane's videos by Underlings.

A sample from Part 1 of his atheism/libertarianism series:
[yt]anP42zvPPRQ[/yt]

"Since slaveless societies EXISTED throughout the world (including nations comparable to the US), THAT was evidence that abolition of slavery could work. But you're making a claim WITHOUT supportive evidence, only ASSERTING that large statelessness can work.

You go out of your way to insult me for challenging your claims...yet I'M the evil fuck? You evidently have some serious anger issues to work out. Are you capable of mature debate or is this the best I can expect from you?"

Speaks for itself.  So how many logical fallacies in that can you name?
How would you respond to the  pigovian tax argument of the other dumbass?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 22, 2013, 08:13:34 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 22, 2013, 07:59:07 PM
How would you respond to the  pigovian tax argument of the other dumbass?
Dunno who you're talking about.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 22, 2013, 08:39:53 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 22, 2013, 08:13:34 PM
Dunno who you're talking about.
schchpendrop (really wierd name)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 22, 2013, 08:48:22 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 22, 2013, 08:39:53 PM
schchpendrop (really wierd name)
Oh, that dumbass.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 22, 2013, 10:22:40 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 22, 2013, 08:48:22 PM
Oh, that dumbass.
I keep seeing people talk about "negative externalities". Like the government isn't just one big outside party fucking things up for everyone not involved in it. It's really staring to piss me off.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 22, 2013, 11:44:20 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 22, 2013, 10:22:40 PM
I keep seeing people talk about "negative externalities". Like the government isn't just one big outside party fucking things up for everyone not involved in it. It's really staring to piss me off.
Welcome to being a libertarian.  Yeah, lots of special pleading we deal with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 22, 2013, 11:45:35 PM
(http://www.leragecomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/reform.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 23, 2013, 11:01:26 AM
Anarcho-capitalism is an oxymoron. How can anyone claim to want 'no rulers' but then attempt to merge this with a system that will deny goods/products/services to the poor man but provide for the rich? You can't. Any system that contains a financial aspect cannot be Anarchistic. Money is a fiction, anyone who wishes that a fiction should hold sway over any individuals life, in any way at all, is simply not an Anarchist. Even to the smallest degree. A monetary system is the initiation of force.
Top comment on this video
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on September 23, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 23, 2013, 11:01:26 AM
Anarcho-capitalism is an oxymoron. How can anyone claim to want 'no rulers' but then attempt to merge this with a system that will deny goods/products/services to the poor man but provide for the rich? You can't. Any system that contains a financial aspect cannot be Anarchistic. Money is a fiction, anyone who wishes that a fiction should hold sway over any individuals life, in any way at all, is simply not an Anarchist. Even to the smallest degree. A monetary system is the initiation of force.
To comment on this video
[yt]XGNBaU52DLE[/yt]

This old argument I I think having a left-anarchist perspective here is a good thing so I'd like to keep things civil so as to avoid your ban but lets look at it this way. If a grou pof people want to voluntary enter an agreement of ownership ala a "capitalist" structure would an anarcho-communist society try to stop them? By force if necessary?  What if I had a personal garden where I grew tomato plants? is everybody entitled to those plants? If so then why should I grow them if people can just barge in and take them? what if I wanted to build a factory on the common land? Since it belongs to everybody I naturally  have a right to use it as I see fit correct?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 23, 2013, 11:48:49 AM
Quote from: tnu on September 23, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
This old argument I I think having a left-anarchist perspective here is a good thing so I'd like to keep things civil so as to avoid your ban but lets look at it this way. If a grou pof people want to voluntary enter an agreement of ownership ala a "capitalist" structure would an anarcho-communist society try to stop them? By force if necessary?  What if I had a personal garden where I grew tomato plants? is everybody entitled to those plants? If so then why should I grow them if people can just barge in and take them? what if I wanted to build a factory on the common land? Since it belongs to everybody I naturally  have a right to use it as I see fit correct?
I don't know. I'm not a left anarchist. Going by the two top comments I'd say no.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 23, 2013, 12:11:54 PM
(https://fbcdn-photos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1234537_10151598178655493_367319318_n.jpg)
Post my grandma shared by moveon.org on facebook.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 23, 2013, 12:48:20 PM
Quote from: tnu on September 23, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
1.a) If a group of people want to voluntary enter an agreement of ownership ala a "capitalist" structure would an anarcho-communist society try to stop them? b) By force if necessary? 2. What if I had a personal garden where I grew tomato plants, is everybody entitled to those plants? If so then why should I grow them if people can just barge in and take them? 3)what if I wanted to build a factory on the common land? Since it belongs to everybody I naturally  have a right to use it as I see fit correct?

1.a) I was going to say "no", but then I noticed you said "anarcho-communist", instead of the usual thing, so first I'll have to figure out how you can be anarcho and communists at the same time. b) I guess you're neighbors could conceivably get together and force you to stop doing whatever it is you're doing, or force you to do whatever it is you're not doing - even in the absence of a formulized government.

2. No, but that only "stops" people from barging in and taking them MOST of the time, regardless of which politico-economic format the program is currently running.

3. Not really. Since there is (apparently) agreement among the group that this is a "common area", the group privy to the agreement would have to decide on the designated use(s) of that space. As a general rule, this type of area doesn't include factories or most types of traditional businesses.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 24, 2013, 07:33:10 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on September 24, 2013, 07:41:27 PM
From the colonoscopy bag that is Jezebel (http://jezebel.com/5961056/comment-of-the-day-paying-for-a-more-civilized-society):

QuoteOh please. Taxes are not *your* money. If people could give up the idea that it's THEIR money being pried out of their hands, rather than just another bill, there'd be a lot less whining. You want lights, you pay the electric company. You want a place to live, you pay the bank or landlord. You want food, you pay the grocery store. You want to live in a civilized society, you pay taxes. Get. Over. It.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 24, 2013, 07:57:14 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 24, 2013, 07:41:27 PM
From the colonoscopy bag that is Jezebel (http://jezebel.com/5961056/comment-of-the-day-paying-for-a-more-civilized-society):
I feel dumber after reading that pile of horseshit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 24, 2013, 09:08:22 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 24, 2013, 07:41:27 PM
From the colonoscopy bag that is Jezebel (http://jezebel.com/5961056/comment-of-the-day-paying-for-a-more-civilized-society):

Ask them why it's a percentage of your earnings and not based on say....actual services rendered like you know...every single sane business in the world?

Bill Gates isn't getting more roads, more police, more courts and more military so why does he have to pay more?  It makes no sense unless you think of it like a mafia demanding their cut just because.

And even if it WERE a bill, how does that justify sending armed men to your house if you don't pay.  Can you imagine if a private business did that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2013, 11:34:59 AM
(http://macromeme.com/cat/suburb-cop-tickets.jpg)

Guess they forgot about asset forfeiture.  Among other things...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 25, 2013, 12:50:46 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 25, 2013, 11:34:59 AM
(http://macromeme.com/cat/suburb-cop-tickets.jpg)

Guess they forgot about asset forfeiture.  Among other things...

Like Warren v. DC?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2013, 06:11:46 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 25, 2013, 12:50:46 PM
Like Warren v. DC?
I'm afraid to even ask what that is...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 25, 2013, 06:47:57 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 25, 2013, 06:11:46 PM
I'm afraid to even ask what that is...
http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/warren.html

Pretty dispicable.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2013, 08:41:42 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 25, 2013, 06:47:57 PM
http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/warren.html

Pretty dispicable.
The last sentence of it said it all.  That was horrible...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on September 25, 2013, 11:15:22 PM
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He doesn't believe that the average person can't make informed decisions about what the future can learn, and yet he believes a group of bureaucrats can. One person cannot make an informed decision, but a group of people can.

And then he acknowledges that we need to experiment with new ways and methods of education, but the only way to allow such experimentation is to let local districts and states decide their own curriculums and experiment with their own methods. You can't have such experimentation on the federal level.

And of course, be believes the best way to improve education is through federal standards. Uh, yeah, how well has education fared for the past 30 years with the implementation of the Department of Education?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 26, 2013, 12:30:49 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 25, 2013, 11:15:22 PM
[yt]r6ee-1Ux2sE[/yt]

He doesn't believe that the average person can't make informed decisions about what the future can learn, and yet he believes a group of bureaucrats can. One person cannot make an informed decision, but a group of people can.

And then he acknowledges that we need to experiment with new ways and methods of education, but the only way to allow such experimentation is to let local districts and states decide their own curriculums and experiment with their own methods. You can't have such experimentation on the federal level.

And of course, be believes the best way to improve education is through federal standards. Uh, yeah, how well has education fared for the past 30 years with the implementation of the Department of Education?

The part about informed decisions sounds fishy either way. We all make informed decisions every day, both as individuals and as groups. The part about bureaucrats being better able to make this decision instead of people that actually have an investment in the outcome is like "what?".

Federal standards in this regard will always hold back the standards to the lowest common denominator; the original purpose (whether intended or not) was to have consistency of stupid, not improvement of education. Prior to (some unknown point in the early to mid 90's) it was not at all uncommon for a student moving from one area to another to be moved forward or back a grade because they were ahead or behind of their classmates. Doing it on the state level, or even the district level only reduces the spread of denominators; which may make the lowest common one higher or lower than the national average.

A better approach would be to have as many options available as possible, that way parents and students, and who ever they want to include can see what works for them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 26, 2013, 01:54:29 PM
Yes we are sore that you let each other buy guns when most of you are stupidly quick to use them and our chances of getting murdered in th uk are ridiculously less. Moron
n the US – population 311.5 million (1) – there were an estimated 13,756 murders in 2009 (2), a rate of about 5.0 per 100,000 (3). Of these 9,203 were carried out with a firearm.

In the UK – population 56.1 million (4) – there were an estimated 550 murders in 2011-12 (5), a rate of about 1.4 per 100,000. Of these 39 were carried out with a firearm (6).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 26, 2013, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 26, 2013, 01:54:29 PM
Yes we are sore that you let each other buy guns when most of you are stupidly quick to use them and our chances of getting murdered in th uk are ridiculously less. Moron
n the US – population 311.5 million (1) – there were an estimated 13,756 murders in 2009 (2), a rate of about 5.0 per 100,000 (3). Of these 9,203 were carried out with a firearm.

In the UK – population 56.1 million (4) – there were an estimated 550 murders in 2011-12 (5), a rate of about 1.4 per 100,000. Of these 39 were carried out with a firearm (6).

Who are you talking/referring to?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 26, 2013, 05:14:39 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 26, 2013, 03:47:36 PM
Who are you talking/referring to?
It was an old facebook post I read talking about homocide statstics in britian.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 26, 2013, 06:30:57 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 26, 2013, 05:14:39 PM
It was an old facebook post I read talking about homocide statstics in britian.
Can you put it in quotes with the source next time?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 26, 2013, 06:57:12 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 25, 2013, 11:15:22 PM
[yt]r6ee-1Ux2sE[/yt]

He doesn't believe that the average person can't make informed decisions about what the future can learn, and yet he believes a group of bureaucrats can. One person cannot make an informed decision, but a group of people can.

And then he acknowledges that we need to experiment with new ways and methods of education, but the only way to allow such experimentation is to let local districts and states decide their own curriculums and experiment with their own methods. You can't have such experimentation on the federal level.

And of course, be believes the best way to improve education is through federal standards. Uh, yeah, how well has education fared for the past 30 years with the implementation of the Department of Education?

That's what I love about statist solutions.  You don't even have to explain why they're bad ideas.  99% of the time, it's stuff that's already been done.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on September 26, 2013, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 26, 2013, 05:14:39 PM
It was an old facebook post I read talking about homocide statstics in britian.

They seem to forget that their overall homicide rate was even lower before gun control and our homicide has dropped by half since 1992 despite the increase in gun ownership.

I have had some people argue that they don't care that our homicide has dropped, because it is still higher than the UK. So what they are saying basically is that they don't care how much their homicide rises as long as it's lower compared to the US rate.

Snobbery, Arrogance, Elitism, and Racism at it's finest
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 26, 2013, 07:08:16 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 26, 2013, 06:30:57 PM
Can you put it in quotes with the source next time?
Maybe. I was feeling lazy and typing a report.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 26, 2013, 08:19:39 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on September 26, 2013, 06:59:53 PM
They seem to forget that their overall homicide rate was even lower before gun control and our homicide has dropped by half since 1992 despite the increase in gun ownership.

I have had some people argue that they don't care that our homicide has dropped, because it is still higher than the UK. So what they are saying basically is that they don't care how much their homicide rises as long as it's lower compared to the US rate.

Snobbery, Arrogance, Elitism, and Racism at it's finest

They also don't care that violent crime rates are as much as four times higher in the UK than in the US, and that proportions of murders committed with different weapon types (blunt objects, edged weapons, firearms, and even bare hands) are essentially the same, indicating that the murder rate in the UK is not lower due to an absence of firearms but because of differences in the attitudes of criminals.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on September 26, 2013, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on September 26, 2013, 08:19:39 PM
They also don't care that violent crime rates are as much as four times higher in the UK than in the US, and that proportions of murders committed with different weapon types (blunt objects, edged weapons, firearms, and even bare hands) are essentially the same, indicating that the murder rate in the UK is not lower due to an absence of firearms but because of differences in the attitudes of criminals.

Their homicide rate also might actually be UNDERESTIMATED. UK has a different definition of homicide than the US and I also read somewhere that three murders done by one person in the UK is counted as ONE murder and for gun crime the gun doesn't even have to fired.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 26, 2013, 09:00:14 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on September 26, 2013, 08:54:37 PM
Their homicide rate also might actually be UNDERESTIMATED. UK has a different definition of homicide than the US and I also read somewhere that three murders done by one person in the UK is counted as ONE murder and for gun crime the gun doesn't even have to fired.
I remember reading that homocide isn't counted unless it gets a conviction.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 26, 2013, 11:09:37 PM
(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/1146608_625535077479552_784579103_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 26, 2013, 11:19:27 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 26, 2013, 11:09:37 PM
(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/1146608_625535077479552_784579103_n.jpg)

yeah, I'll do that: I'll give money to the next kid along. but I won't give it to government and expect them to do it for me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 27, 2013, 03:38:14 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20615_5-ridiculous-myths-you-probably-believe-about-dark-ages.html
Smells like fail imho.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 27, 2013, 04:24:15 PM
https://m.facebook.com/topic/139142322771379?tloc=msi&__user=100000247848017

Apparently some Pulitzer prize winning journalist claims the raid on Osama Bin Laden was a lie. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 27, 2013, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 27, 2013, 04:24:15 PM
https://m.facebook.com/topic/139142322771379?tloc=msi&__user=100000247848017

Apparently some Pulitzer prize winning journalist claims the raid on Osama Bin Laden was a lie. 

Page not found.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 27, 2013, 05:23:36 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 27, 2013, 04:58:46 PM
Page not found.

The Libertarian Republic (http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/osama-bin-laden-assassination-story-one-big-lie-says-seymour-hersh/#.UkX3HX8phvJ) also posted about this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 27, 2013, 06:03:05 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 27, 2013, 04:58:46 PM
Page not found.
It might be because I'm on a phone.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 27, 2013, 06:09:48 PM
Salon is carrying it as well:

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/27/sy_hersh_on_osama_bin_laden_raid_not_one_word_of_it_is_true/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/09/27/sy_hersh_on_osama_bin_laden_raid_not_one_word_of_it_is_true/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 27, 2013, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 27, 2013, 06:09:48 PM
Salon is carrying it as well:

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/27/sy_hersh_on_osama_bin_laden_raid_not_one_word_of_it_is_true/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/09/27/sy_hersh_on_osama_bin_laden_raid_not_one_word_of_it_is_true/)
Comment from articleWe are, at this very moment on the brink of national governmental paralysis as a result of a five-year (!) temper tantrum on the part of those who want to block perfectly middle-of the road health reforms.
Fallacy of a false middle ground. Also a smug asshole.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 27, 2013, 09:56:12 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 27, 2013, 08:32:44 PM
Comment from articleWe are, at this very moment on the brink of national governmental paralysis as a result of a five-year (!) temper tantrum on the part of those who want to block perfectly middle-of the road health reforms.
Fallacy of a false middle ground. Also a smug asshole.

You know, I've often found that people who claim to be "meeting you in the middle" more often than not haven't actually moved from their original position. Yes, it's unrelated, but you made me think of it anyway.

Actually, looking again at the article, I fail to see any thing like the quote indicated. Perhaps you intended to respond to a different post?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on September 28, 2013, 03:27:19 AM
[yt]HK3PcEuYUZk[/yt]

and every other video made by this fuck.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 28, 2013, 05:04:10 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on September 28, 2013, 03:27:19 AM
[yt]HK3PcEuYUZk[/yt]

and every other video made by this fuck.

Got through about 2:30 of that. Other than being a dumbfuck ruining every ones day with his opinion about fantasy books, is there something particular he says? If so, can you give a timestamp? I'd prefer not to listen to the bullshit for longer than say 5 seconds.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on September 28, 2013, 06:32:38 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 28, 2013, 05:04:10 AM
Got through about 2:30 of that. Other than being a dumbfuck ruining every ones day with his opinion about fantasy books, is there something particular he says? If so, can you give a timestamp? I'd prefer not to listen to the bullshit for longer than say 5 seconds.

The whole video is a fail but there is one thing that really made my blood boil

From the comments

QuotePsalm 5:5
Psalm 11:5
Proverbs Chapter 6
All are hating the SINNER, not just the sin.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 28, 2013, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 27, 2013, 09:56:12 PM
You know, I've often found that people who claim to be "meeting you in the middle" more often than not haven't actually moved from their original position. Yes, it's unrelated, but you made me think of it anyway.

Actually, looking again at the article, I fail to see any thing like the quote indicated. Perhaps you intended to respond to a different post?
It was a comnent.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on September 28, 2013, 04:08:40 PM
QuoteGambia's president warned the United Nations General Assembly on Friday that gays were a threat to human existence, along with excessive greed and obsession with world domination, and criticized other countries for regarding homosexuality as a human right.

"Those who promote homosexuality want to put an end to human existence," Gambian President Yahya Jammeh told the gathering of world leaders in New York. "It is becoming an epidemic and we Muslims and Africans will fight to end this behavior."

"Homosexuality in all its forms and manifestations which, though very evil, antihuman as well as anti-Allah, is being promoted as a human right by some powers," said Jammeh, who is accused by activists of human rights abuses during his rule.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/27/us-un-assembly-gays-idUSBRE98Q19K20130927?feedType=RSS&virtualBrandChannel=11563 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/27/us-un-assembly-gays-idUSBRE98Q19K20130927?feedType=RSS&virtualBrandChannel=11563)

Why do people like this hold power.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 28, 2013, 04:55:51 PM
Quote from: Dukect45 on September 28, 2013, 04:08:40 PM
Why do people like this hold power.

More often than not because people like that are representative of the majority opinion of the people they hold power over. This is one of many reasons certain personal choices should not be put on a ballot.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 28, 2013, 05:07:52 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 28, 2013, 04:55:51 PM
More often than not because people like that are representative of the majority opinion of the people they hold power over. This is one of many reasons certain personal choices should not be put on a ballot.

It's also one reason why going overseas to topple dictators doesn't work. It's actually pretty rare when the dictator is the odd man out; usually he, coming from the same culture as the people, shares their views and mores and so toppling him will just mean putting someone like him into power.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on September 28, 2013, 06:57:03 PM
Quote from: Dukect45 on September 28, 2013, 04:08:40 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/27/us-un-assembly-gays-idUSBRE98Q19K20130927?feedType=RSS&virtualBrandChannel=11563 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/27/us-un-assembly-gays-idUSBRE98Q19K20130927?feedType=RSS&virtualBrandChannel=11563)

Why do people like this hold power.

These are the kind of people I have little to no empathy toward.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 28, 2013, 08:05:23 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 28, 2013, 05:07:52 PM
It's also one reason why going overseas to topple dictators doesn't work. It's actually pretty rare when the dictator is the odd man out; usually he, coming from the same culture as the people, shares their views and mores and so toppling him will just mean putting someone like him into power.

that's until a dictator's been in power too long: Hosni Mubarak for example did pretty much represent what people were into back in 1980 (Arab Nationalism, Pan Arabism, a largely secular government). Nowadays people want other things: some want theocracy, some want a liberal govco, some are kind of in the middle. All agreed Mubarak had to go. (speaking of the devil, I found out he's been released and allowed to live out his days. That's already a massive improvement over your typical coup: usually he'd be dead or in exile by now).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 28, 2013, 08:05:56 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 28, 2013, 05:07:52 PM
It's also one reason why going overseas to topple dictators doesn't work. It's actually pretty rare when the dictator is the odd man out; usually he, coming from the same culture as the people, shares their views and mores and so toppling him will just mean putting someone like him into power.
And more often than not, someone worse put in his place...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on September 28, 2013, 08:56:56 PM
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Is Bill talking about the same state with one of the most violent cities in the country (Oakland) and one of the first to declare bankruptcy (Stockton)?

Oh, and Bill didn't always have a sweet love affair with California's "liberal" policies, especially when it came to raising his taxes:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 29, 2013, 12:14:48 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 28, 2013, 08:56:56 PM
[yt]fJFuZpYWr-k[/yt]

Is Bill talking about the same state with one of the most violent cities in the country (Oakland) and one of the first to declare bankruptcy (Stockton)?

Oh, and Bill didn't always have a sweet love affair with California's "liberal" policies, especially when it came to raising his taxes:

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How the hell does this idiot still have a T.V. show?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 29, 2013, 01:11:33 AM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 29, 2013, 12:14:48 AM
How the hell does this idiot still have a T.V. show?

It's mainly because some people like the "new rules" segment of the show.

Edit:

Actually:

Mr. Maher has excellent presentation skills (which is why he's on T.V. and we're not), an above average knowledge base, and an average critical thinking ability. This means that absent specific knowledge to refute his claims, (which most people won't have) he will tend to believed when he speaks.

For comparison:

Mr. Limbaugh has above average presentation skills, a below average knowledge base, and average critical thinking skills. This means most people will know he's full of shit, but few will call him on it.

Mr. Killian has above average presentation skills, an excellent knowledge base, and excellent critical thinking skills. Which means unless he says something that sets off specific alarms, few will be able to refute his claims successfully.

I have below average presentation skills, an average knowledge base, and poor critical thinking skills. Which means people whip out their smart phones to verify about anything I say.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 29, 2013, 09:25:59 AM
(https://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/526931_10151917067452722_1083027356_n.jpg)
If another embassay attack happened, I wonder if they would close embassies/military bases.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 29, 2013, 10:46:54 AM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 29, 2013, 09:25:59 AM
[img]https://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/526931_10151917067452722_1083027356_n.jpg[\img]
If another embassay attack happened, I wonder if they would close embassies/military bases.

Not for long. In the past, they've usually just moved essential personnel until the immediate situation is over. There are exceptions, of course, like when it's an actual government behind and attack and not an independent organization, or individual. Also, sometimes, if the damage is sufficient, they will open the embassy in a different building.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 29, 2013, 09:16:21 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 29, 2013, 09:25:59 AM
(https://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/526931_10151917067452722_1083027356_n.jpg)
If another embassay attack happened, I wonder if they would close embassies/military bases.

It never ceases to amaze me how bakcwards people's priorities are: they want to spend more money on the military, but will cut on embassies. This is fucking ridiculous!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 29, 2013, 09:33:47 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 28, 2013, 08:56:56 PM
[yt]fJFuZpYWr-k[/yt]

Is Bill talking about the same state with one of the most violent cities in the country (Oakland) and one of the first to declare bankruptcy (Stockton)?

Oh, and Bill didn't always have a sweet love affair with California's "liberal" policies, especially when it came to raising his taxes:

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Moral of the story, double standards fun, but only when statists do it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 29, 2013, 09:46:28 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 28, 2013, 05:07:52 PM
It's also one reason why going overseas to topple dictators doesn't work. It's actually pretty rare when the dictator is the odd man out; usually he, coming from the same culture as the people, shares their views and mores and so toppling him will just mean putting someone like him into power.

Regarding this exchange between you, Dallen and Dukect.  This be why statism will always repress the minority.  Always.  I'm not proud of saying this, but honestly?  I really wish the world would sometimes just burn until there weren't even ashes left.  Because nothing will ever convince them.  From Lincoln to Obama and everything else being the indicator, they would never say boo to it.  The state, as far as they are concerned, definitionally and absolutely cannot do wrong.  Communists and communism being the most obvious example of this.  Just like the damn theists and their gods.  Unbelievable.  Why the fuck didn't evolution rout this crap in lieu of free market and rational alternatives for fuck's sake?  Hell, reminds me of that bit from George Carlin and the environment (not a fail):

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 30, 2013, 06:15:23 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on September 29, 2013, 09:46:28 PMWhy the fuck didn't evolution rout this crap in lieu of free market and rational alternatives for fuck's sake?

Because, just like evolution was powerless to stop dog breeders doing whatever they want, it was likewise powerless to stop other forms of top-down force.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 30, 2013, 09:53:07 AM
I w just heard a story where a carnie was arrested in a sting operation for selling an undercover cop a stuffed hello kitty doll after he only hit one dart. He was charged with carnie fraud. 175$ of his was locked up in evidence. These guys must be pretty fucking desperate if there doing sting operations at carnivals.

edit: I just heard another story where a dad and duaghter ( not biologically related) were arrested for incest.The prosecuter and sheriff agreed that it was illegal and cited an inclusive clause in the state law. Of course the prosecuter would agree, more pay for him for getting another case.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 30, 2013, 10:42:59 AM
http://reason.com/blog/2013/09/30/how-did-republicans-squander-such-a-good#comments

The comments on this article. Half of them are about whose fault it is if the government shuts down, like it fucking matters. I never got why people say comprimise is a good thing. Like two sides sacrificing something they want to shove some half assed bill down my throat is a good thing. You don't see this kind of shit in private enterprise, and yet people still trust the clusterfuck that is the U.S. gov. The stats in the article are  also fail. So people want spending cuts, but they also want the debt cieling raised? So you want the amount of spending the governmet can do cut, but the amount they can spend overall raised? Logic fail much.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 30, 2013, 10:54:10 AM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 30, 2013, 10:42:59 AMI never got why people say comprimise is a good thing. Like two sides sacrificing something they want to shove some half assed bill down my throat is a good thing.

Yes, like two organized crime mobs compromising on their territory--with the people still under their thumbs.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on September 30, 2013, 12:15:38 PM
wasn't there a shutdown in the ninties that nobody actually remembers? I mean really we've doen this shit beforea nd it iddn't result in the damn purge people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 30, 2013, 12:28:29 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 30, 2013, 06:15:23 AMBecause, just like evolution was powerless to stop dog breeders doing whatever they want, it was likewise powerless to stop other forms of top-down force.
Sad but true.  Here's hoping they get routed out ASAP.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on September 30, 2013, 01:07:51 PM
http://salinapost.com/2013/09/26/woman-fired-after-negative-facebook-comment-aimed-towards-soldiers/#comment-1061342309
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 30, 2013, 01:56:06 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 30, 2013, 10:54:10 AM
Yes, like two organized crime mobs compromising on their territory--with the people still under their thumbs.
I will personally will always adore the bit Hawkeye once said to this.  It's not compromise as it would imply mutual consent.  Last I checked, gov't is force.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 30, 2013, 03:39:46 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on September 30, 2013, 10:42:59 AM
http://reason.com/blog/2013/09/30/how-did-republicans-squander-such-a-good#comments
So people want spending cuts, but they also want the debt cieling raised? So you want the amount of spending the governmet can do cut, but the amount they can spend overall raised? Logic fail much.

These are actually two separate issues. Discretionary spending is set by legislation, so until a bill expires (if it does), spending on that item continues whether the debt ceiling is raised or not (at least on paper); i.e. just because the income stops doesn't mean the invoices do. What the debt ceiling does is put a cap on how much the government can borrow to cover the invoices, kind of like how most of us have a credit limit on our credit cards.

The logic behind raising the debt ceiling and cutting spending is to be able to borrow enough to cover the past due balance on the invoice, while reducing future expenditures. Whether or not it actually works out that way is another matter.


Like how the fact you've maxed you're visa doesn't stop the electric bill.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 30, 2013, 03:48:35 PM
Quote from: tnu on September 30, 2013, 12:15:38 PM
wasn't there a shutdown in the ninties that nobody actually remembers? I mean really we've doen this shit beforea nd it iddn't result in the damn purge people.

Yep, mentioned in this week's podcast.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on September 30, 2013, 05:42:40 PM
I know everyone on here is an atheist who would probably agree with this, but nonetheless, this comic is complete fail:

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/62e73684b3f4bda64435d0ea5c2418d3/tumblr_mtxy68tLYX1r78gnqo1_500.jpg)

Well no, no it is not. If God truly wanted human beings to be ensnared by sin and condemned to Hell, then why would he provide a way to avoid that? Why would he allow for the perfect sacrifice of his son Jesus Christ to atone us of our sins so that we can avoid the punishment of Hell? I don't think I have to copy-paste John 3:16 here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on September 30, 2013, 06:00:52 PM
(http://i.lvme.me/coahh1d.jpg)

Free market principles influence legislation? Since when?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 30, 2013, 06:44:01 PM
What would happen if they just passed legislation declaring all U.S. government domestic debts paid in full?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 30, 2013, 06:58:29 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 30, 2013, 05:42:40 PM
Well no, no it is not. If God truly wanted human beings to be ensnared by sin and condemned to Hell, then why would he provide a way to avoid that?

Why would he put the %^&*ing tree in the garden to begin with?

QuoteWhy would he allow for the perfect sacrifice of his son Jesus Christ to atone us of our sins so that we can avoid the punishment of Hell?

Why would he have to sacrifice himself to himself in the first place?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on September 30, 2013, 07:20:33 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 30, 2013, 06:44:01 PM
What would happen if they just passed legislation declaring all U.S. government domestic debts paid in full?

Well thenit'd be paied in full. Don't you know how governments work? they dictate reality and truth and if there is any evidence agaisntt heir line its either placed in a memory hole or the people are conditioned to look at such contradictions with disdain.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 01, 2013, 01:04:38 AM
Quote from: tnu on September 30, 2013, 07:20:33 PM
Well thenit'd be paied in full. Don't you know how governments work? they dictate reality and truth and if there is any evidence agaisntt heir line its either placed in a memory hole or the people are conditioned to look at such contradictions with disdain.

Well, yes. I meant, what would the short and long term consequences be on the market, society, foreign relations, etc.?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 01, 2013, 08:12:00 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on October 01, 2013, 01:04:38 AM
Well, yes. I meant, what would the short and long term consequences be on the market, society, foreign relations, etc.?

Let's see, short term domestic effects would be a massive collapse in the banking sector, and massive impoverishment of people foolish enough to hold government bonds, and the complete and instantaneous collapse of the Social Security Fund, which consists almost entirely of government bonds, and the collapse of the US dollar, which is backed only by such bonds, just for starters.

In the longer term, the US would have a permanent credit rating of zero in all markets, making it impossible for it to ever borrow money again from anyone except the Fed, which has both an unlimited ability to create cash out of nothing and is under the total control of the US government.

Overseas, US government bonds would be essentially worthless since the US would have just reneged on its' debts internally and made its' own currency worthless.

It's difficult to see how hyperinflation would not begin immediately.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 01, 2013, 03:14:58 PM
That's a funny irony isn't it?  People bash the banks for giving out loans to people with bad credit yet have no trouble with even more toxic loans being given to the US government?  Wow...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 01, 2013, 03:57:20 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/29/the-connection-between-obamacare-and-breaking-bad.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 01, 2013, 04:13:00 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 01, 2013, 03:57:20 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/29/the-connection-between-obamacare-and-breaking-bad.html

Same response as the earlier graphic: Walt had many people offering to pay for his care. He didn't take the money because he didn't like charity; he wanted to earn it himself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 01, 2013, 07:00:08 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on October 01, 2013, 09:25:43 PM
[yt]3oDElW87dGo&lc=fThDRmin5lcaY23_iNjQJsfqDwzyaRIRohB4leYRro4[/yt]

A Chris Valentine says

QuoteRation thought can overcome it, constitutional rights can be repealed

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 02, 2013, 10:27:19 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on October 01, 2013, 09:25:43 PM
[yt]3oDElW87dGo&lc=fThDRmin5lcaY23_iNjQJsfqDwzyaRIRohB4leYRro4[/yt]

A Chris Valentine says
In other news, study finds a hight correlation between shoe ownership and homocide. Also, if violent crime is lowering, then why are homocides such a problem?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 02, 2013, 10:45:39 AM
https://m.facebook.com/hashtag/dearcongress?tloc=msi&__user=100000247848017

Dear congress is trending on facebook, with a lot of people blaming republicans and some people wanting sonething ti just be done. Sone examples:‪"#‎DearCongress‬ shame on you for holding us hostage while pandering to tea bag Taliban GROW UP!" "Yesterday I listened to a report on NPR about how Head Start programs were being affected by the government shutdown. Sometimes grown people don't think about how much pain their childish actions cause children, or maybe they just don't care. ‪#‎DearCongress‬"

"Can you name a federal budget that wasn't passed because Congressional members wanted to defund a law or program that Congress had previously passed. If not these actions are unprecedented. ‪#‎DearCongress‬"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 02, 2013, 11:21:53 AM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 02, 2013, 10:45:39 AM
"Can you name a federal budget that wasn't passed because Congressional members wanted to defund a law or program that Congress had previously passed. If not these actions are unprecedented. ‪#‎DearCongress‬"

Considering Congress hasn't actually passed a budget since 2009...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 02, 2013, 11:27:07 AM
So in the comments of this video:
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From a guy named Sam Clinton or whatever: "It is unpractical to try to rationalize with anti-"statists" aka nut job libertarian anarchists. Once we rational people realize the type of mind we're dealing with the most appropriate thing to do is to declare that the person is stupid and thus can't be rationalized with. Then we move on. There's nothing you can do about it except cry like a baby because the collective is always stronger than individuals. Cry me a river. hahahaha. It's so unfair. Wawawa. Hahahahaha. You guys crack me up. :-)"

In response to Hawkeye informing him that the Fed is NOT private.  Good lord.  What an asshole.

As for the Fed being "private", I believe this thread put it best: https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=441.msg6490#msg6490 before that woo killed it off.  And of course a guy from the old Mises Forums (now defunct, sadly):
"The very fact that people can call a government central bank, created by Congress, with 7 board members appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, operating under the decree of government creating legal tender, and being exempt from taxes, and free from any competition 'de jure private' is just completely laughable in itself."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 02, 2013, 11:31:05 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 02, 2013, 11:27:07 AM
So in the comments of this video:
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From a guy named Sam Clinton or whatever: "It is unpractical to try to rationalize with anti-"statists" aka nut job libertarian anarchists. Once we rational people realize the type of mind we're dealing with the most appropriate thing to do is to declare that the person is stupid and thus can't be rationalized with. Then we move on. There's nothing you can do about it except cry like a baby because the collective is always stronger than individuals. Cry me a river. hahahaha. It's so unfair. Wawawa. Hahahahaha. You guys crack me up. :-)"

In response to Hawkeye informing him that the Fed is NOT private.  Good lord.  What an asshole.
I don't think this guy knows what rational means.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 02, 2013, 03:28:00 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 02, 2013, 11:21:53 AM
Considering Congress hasn't actually passed a budget since 2009...

tell me about it....

it's clearly the fashion, near as I can tell from the news, for congressmen of one party to blame the other party, or vice versa, while at the same time acting holier than thou towards one another, and those questioning the stupid. They all also agree that they should waste money, differing only in where to piss it away.

not that that is anything new, but how blatant it is is quite novel XD
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on October 02, 2013, 03:57:36 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 02, 2013, 10:27:19 AM
In other news, study finds a hight correlation between shoe ownership and homocide. Also, if violent crime is lowering, then why are homocides such a problem?

Oh one more thing to add to the fail.

Every comment mention how gun control "worked" in australia, canada, UK etc
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 02, 2013, 04:56:25 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on October 02, 2013, 03:57:36 PM
Oh one more thing to add to the fail.

Every comment mention how gun control "worked" in australia, canada, UK etc
It reminds me of the video game debate. My high school teacher's used to say that there was a high correlation between video games and people who did mass shootings. It pissed me off so much, especially with violent crime rates lowering for the past 15-20 or so years.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 02, 2013, 05:06:53 PM
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One of the top comments is real fail:

lol Dude, you're conflating different issues here

1) it's always been Congress's responsibility to write & deliver a budget to the President to sign/veto. Only Congress can decide what goes in the budget & gets funded in accord with the law & budgetary obligations

2) Wars can be started by Presidents but can only continue if Congress funds them

3) The debt ceiling's a separate issue

4)The government has shut down only 'cause House Republicans refuse to fund Obamacare which IS the LAW of the land


The video itself is fail to. If science is so dependent on an organization with 16 trillion+ dollars of debt, then they should other sources for funding. And the part about essential services is funny, if only non-essential services are being shutdown, then why the hell not go the extra step and  privatize or abolish it all together. This should be pretty obvious stuff.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 02, 2013, 05:44:56 PM
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This is complete bullshit as both social commentary and in the sense of video games.

Oh yeah, Sonic totally wouldn't have found a monitor box full of rings or a bunch of rings lying around were it not for our precious government.

Fun fact about Emerald Hill zone in Sonic 2: It is possible to get ALL of the chaos emeralds within the two acts. It requires 50 rings to enter a bonus stage which lets you get chaos emeralds. Your ring count also goes back to 0 when you are done with the bonus stage.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 02, 2013, 07:38:05 PM
[yt]hrGdEwV-efs[/yt]

Since we're on the subject of fail from college humor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on October 02, 2013, 11:56:50 PM
This article from Big Think (http://bigthink.com/risk-reason-and-reality/what-can-explain-the-irrationality-of-those-who-have-taken-american-democracy-hostage) is mostly fail, but mostly this part:

QuoteThe Cultural Cognition groups we identify with are not defined by the familiar political labels... right or left, Republican or Democrat. Rather, our groups align around the basic ways we want society to operate. The two groups that have taken American democracy hostage are;

– Individualists, who prefer to live in a society that leaves the individual alone to make his or her own choices. Politically, Individualists tend to be Libertarians and Tea Party "the government has too much control over my life" conservatives.

- Hierarchists, who prefer to live in a society that runs by predictable stratified hierarchies of economic and social class...everyone in their place...a traditional order that is reliable, stable, comfortably 'the way it has always been'. Politically, Hierarchists tend to be Republican and conservative, favoring the free market that maintains the status quo and rejecting government 'interference' that tries to make things fair and flexible for all.

That last part especially made me almost facepalm my brains out.

What I have since come to learn from articles like this is that, when they make statements like this, almost the exact opposite is true: the state maintains the status quo while the free market provides freedom and flexibility for all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 03, 2013, 12:52:11 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on October 02, 2013, 11:56:50 PM
This article from Big Think (http://bigthink.com/risk-reason-and-reality/what-can-explain-the-irrationality-of-those-who-have-taken-american-democracy-hostage) is mostly fail, but mostly this part:

That last part especially made me almost facepalm my brains out.

What I have since come to learn from articles like this is that, when they make statements like this, almost the exact opposite is true: the state maintains the status quo while the free market provides freedom and flexibility for all.
Lol at title of the article What Can Explain the Irrationality of Those Who Have Taken American Democracy Hostage

So if the majority don't want government intrusion into their lives, doesn't that mean that those who oppose it hold democracy "hostage". (such bullshit)

What is that suppose to mean anyways? That if you hate the government you are automatically irrational? That if you hate being told how to live you life, you're somehow holding other people hostage? People like this are despicable, while at the same time hilarious. They call their opponents  irrational while at the same time spewing out horseshit like this with the typical smug liberal attitude of "How dare you want to be left the hell alone. You selfish bastard. Now stand there while I take all your money for my selfish reasons and call you irrational when you point out the fucking absurdity of my position."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on October 04, 2013, 12:54:00 AM
QuoteAn 8-year-old boy was suspended from a Florida school for using his finger to simulate a gun during a game of cops and robbers with a classmate, his family said.
Jordan Bennett was sent home from Harmony Community School in Osceola County after he and his pal were busted using the gesture during their game on Friday, WKMG-TV reported.
"There was nothing in his hand. He used his thumb and index finger," the child's outraged mother, Bonnie Bennett, told the news station.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/8-year-old-boy-suspended-florida-school-fingers-gun-game-cops-robbers-article-1.1473853#ixzz2gj3tKy3G

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/8-year-old-boy-suspended-florida-school-fingers-gun-game-cops-robbers-article-1.1473853 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/8-year-old-boy-suspended-florida-school-fingers-gun-game-cops-robbers-article-1.1473853)

Take it away Professor Farnsworth

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 04, 2013, 07:40:41 AM
    http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/Can-you-spot-the-fundamentalist-289306840
    Aw!  Isn't it cute how jarredspekter think I haven't heard this drivel before?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 05, 2013, 12:28:20 PM
http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=81094

this thread is absolutely full of shit from both sides of the aisle. Some highlights.


QuoteYou do realize the Republicans are the Party of Small Government? Is it any wonder they don't use their power to force legislation down the throats of the American people?

Doing nothing is what the Republicans are all about! If you want the government to force people to conform to pointless legislation then by all means vote Democrat, but your inability to understand why it might be a bad thing that the Democrats have passed so much pointless and often damaging legislation while the Republicans have done comparatively "nothing" only belies your ignorance of what conservative politics is all about.

The Republican apologetics is kind of weird since the guy is British.

I
Quotemo, the extremist hacks (particularly of the Tea Party ilk in the House) are the ones living in a delusional bubble, far detached from reality. It's now patently clear that these Tea-Party, minarchist shit-bags don't care about who they're affecting. If I lived in Murica, I think I'd definitely vote Democrat (if an election were held today). And guess what, I currently self-identify as a conservative here.

different user.

QuoteSo you support getting rid of the sequester cuts right? Those are easily just as damaging to the economy and don't benefit anyone in the way that the ACA does.

Yes we can't just start increasing spending less every year! That's a disaster!

Quote"No, ACA isn't a great system, but it can be fixed to work better.

The same old "You have to work within the system to make it better" excuse for violence.

I
Quotet's not really a bad system at all actually. Yes of course a public option or single payer system would be a superior alternative, but ACA is structured very much like Romneycare in Massachusetts which enjoys an 84% approval rating and has gotten 99%+ of their population insured.

No one has proposed any serious, politically-viable and effective alternatives to the ACA. The ACA's exchanges are very similar to markets for insurance that Daryl Issa has been touting in recent days. And the insurance mandate itself was crafted by the Heritage foundation.

all I can say to this one is "take it away boys!"



Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 05, 2013, 02:08:58 PM
Quote from: tnu on October 05, 2013, 12:28:20 PM
http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=81094

this thread is absolutely full of shit from both sides of the aisle. Some highlights.


The Republican apologetics is kind of weird since the guy is British.

I
different user.

Yes we can't just start increasing spending less every year! That's a disaster!

The same old "You have to work within the system to make it better" excuse for violence.

I
all I can say to this one is "take it away boys!"
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/03/romneycare-facts-and-falsehoods/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 05, 2013, 04:59:41 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 05, 2013, 02:08:58 PM
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/03/romneycare-facts-and-falsehoods/

Interesting that the entire piece is saying "nothing got worse, most things got better, and most people love it" despite the fact that this type of damage takes time, sometimes decades, to be noticed.  Four years after Medicare was imposed in Canada, it wasn't obvious that we could neither pay for nor staff the medical system, as we can now clearly see to be the case.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 05, 2013, 05:47:25 PM
Quote"No, ACA isn't a great system, but it can be fixed to work better.
Quote

By doing what?

Oh, not going to actually say?  Sigh...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 05, 2013, 06:40:45 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on October 05, 2013, 04:59:41 PM
Interesting that the entire piece is saying "nothing got worse, most things got better, and most people love it" despite the fact that this type of damage takes time, sometimes decades, to be noticed.  Four years after Medicare was imposed in Canada, it wasn't obvious that we could neither pay for nor staff the medical system, as we can now clearly see to be the case.
I liked the part where it was after governmebt intrusion around '96 that caused the problems in the first place.

In other news, the house just passed a bill that would pay the fed. employees  after the "shutdown" is over, thus negating the point of a gov shutdown in the first place. Apperently, the NPS blocked shoulder lane to prevent people from looking at mt rushmore. So they can't afford to pay people to run mt rushmore, but they can pay people to block it off with cones?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 05, 2013, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 05, 2013, 06:40:45 PM
I liked the part where it was after governmebt intrusion around '96 that caused the problems in the first place.

In other news, the house just passed a bill that would pay the fed. employees  after the "shutdown" is over, thus negating the point of a gov shutdown in the first place. Apperently, the NPS blocked shoulder lane to prevent people from looking at mt rushmore. So they can't afford to pay people to run mt rushmore, but they can pay people to block it off with cones?

to quote the great TJ Laser: "Honh?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on October 05, 2013, 10:06:19 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on October 05, 2013, 10:10:44 PM
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OMFG
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on October 05, 2013, 10:35:37 PM
Dude its maoistrebelnews

the name itself should imply that what he says is fail

EDIT: Its just as stef said. The purpose of ridiculous belief systems such as this is not because of rationality and truth, but its to cover emotional needs that were unmet in childhood.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 06, 2013, 07:41:29 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on October 05, 2013, 09:47:09 PM
to quote the great TJ Laser: "Honh?"

We cover that in today's podcast.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 06, 2013, 12:01:47 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on October 05, 2013, 10:06:19 PM
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Wow; redplanet4748 in the comments is a total fail! He's even denying that Hitler spoke of the working class in Mein Kampf!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on October 06, 2013, 12:15:26 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 06, 2013, 12:01:47 PM
Wow; redplanet4748 in the comments is a total fail! He's even denying that Hitler spoke of the working class in Mein Kampf!

I read them to and all I can say is the bogus is strong in this one.

Did you see the video about Kim Jong Un yet?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 06, 2013, 01:03:26 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 06, 2013, 12:01:47 PM
Wow; redplanet4748 in the comments is a total fail! He's even denying that Hitler spoke of the working class in Mein Kampf!
1. He lists hospitals and pharmaceuticals and members of the "ruling class". How are people who develop medication and  treat illness ruling anyone?

2. He says a number of organizations list healthcare as a human right, namely the U.N. Which is funny considering the U.N. also considers education a right, and by right they mean go to school or we'll arrest, fine, etc. you.
Apparently rights are magical things that can be willed into existence by any organization or person, and have mystical qualities that will solve the world's problems.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 06, 2013, 01:29:14 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/14th-amendment-debt-ceiling_n_4050428.html?ncid=txtlnkushpmg00000037

How can you use the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling? And why do these morons want one person to have the power to do it?

This guy seems to think that if the U.S. were to default on its debt, it would be the end of the world. At worse the economy collapses and if people are left alone, it will bounce back without out the tax and regulatory burden they have now.

"The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned." What is this suppose to mean exactly? You can't question the U.S. gov spending money they don't have?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 06, 2013, 01:40:23 PM
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HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh wow...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 06, 2013, 02:04:07 PM
Quote from: D on October 06, 2013, 01:40:23 PM
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HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh wow...
Obamacare passed through a "democratic process". So according to TJ, anything passed through a democratic process can't possibly be wrong or bad because democracy. Democracy is like the Bible to these people, you can't go against or you're a heretic. Unless of course you're a republican and were elected through a democratic process and you're trying to delay obamacare. Then you're just a traitor to whatever imaginary group you never agreed to be apart of.

What is with these people an calling the other party traitors? You can't even oppose a fucking bill you never wanted passed because you might betray some vague vow you didn't know existed. They keep blaming republicans for the government shutdown lie 1. it's a bad thing and 2. the democrats have nothing to do with it. They control the Senate and the white house. I thought Dems loved compromise. Even though in this context so called compromise is nothing more than two sides halfassing a bill that forces you to pay/do something you probably want nothing to with. It's like these people view the government as a sport and whoever and shove the bullshit down the otherside's throat, along with any bystanders wins. It unbelievable how these people still think like this.   
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 06, 2013, 02:08:18 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 06, 2013, 02:04:07 PMSo according to TJ, anything passed through a democratic process can't possibly be wrong or bad because democracy.

Like, the Fugitive Slave Act?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 06, 2013, 02:13:19 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 06, 2013, 02:08:18 PM
Like, the Fugitive Slave Act?
Pretty much.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 06, 2013, 06:23:28 PM
https://m.facebook.com/topic/108266825867733?tloc=msi&__user=100000247848017

SNL blames Repubs for "shutdown"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on October 06, 2013, 06:51:17 PM
Quote from: D on October 06, 2013, 01:40:23 PM
[yt]9cuYc9HqiK4[/yt]

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh wow...

Maybe we should let TJ be the next podcast's biggest bogon emitter?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on October 06, 2013, 09:27:22 PM
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This is the comment I left on this video:
QuoteHyperinflation has already occurred. The dollar has lost so much value over the past century. A dollar in 1912 was worth $20 today.

Austrians predicted the fall of the Soviet Union. They predicted the housing bubble burst. And they are dead right about monetary inflation. Meanwhile, Keynesians like Krugman and Bernanke were the ones pushing the same failed policies that created our economic recession.

Even if Austrian economics is not based on evidence, the evidence seems to be in our favor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 06, 2013, 11:03:08 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on October 06, 2013, 09:27:22 PM
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This is the comment I left on this video:
Why can't Austrian theories be falsified? They make predictions all the time. If it fails, would that not falsify it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 07, 2013, 10:19:57 AM
(https://fbcdn-photos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/1390781_653444988021894_893961492_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 07, 2013, 12:13:45 PM
(http://cheezburger.com/7840532736)
Implying pokemon centers are government run
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on October 08, 2013, 02:09:15 AM
QuoteWorries about injuries at a Long Island school have led to a surprising ban.

As CBS 2's Jennifer McLogan reported Monday, officials at Weber Middle School in Port Washington are worried that students are getting hurt during recess. Thus, they have instituted a ban on footballs, baseballs, lacrosse balls, or anything that might hurt someone on school grounds.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/07/long-island-middle-school-bans-footballs-other-recreational-items/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/07/long-island-middle-school-bans-footballs-other-recreational-items/)

AH.. You know what I'll let Penn Jillette take this one

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 08, 2013, 01:43:34 PM
QuoteThe budget is essentially balanced dude (although it was a terrible mistake to balance it). Check out June's surplus. There is no deficit anymore.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 08, 2013, 02:47:29 PM
Quote from: tnu on October 08, 2013, 01:43:34 PM
The budget is essentially balanced dude (although it was a terrible mistake to balance it). Check out June's surplus. There is no deficit anymore.

Because they got dividends from Fannie/Freddie and other one-time payments which, if spread throughout the year, would never have made any surplus.

Every now and then you get an anomalous month like that. That does NOT mean the budget is balanced or there is no deficit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 08, 2013, 04:22:18 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 08, 2013, 02:47:29 PM
Because they got dividends from Fannie/Freddie and other one-time payments which, if spread throughout the year, would never have made any surplus.

Every now and then you get an anomalous month like that. That does NOT mean the budget is balanced or there is no deficit.

Why don't they figure out what to spend after they've received the income? You know, like pretty much everybody else does? (And don't bring up buying cars, most people figure the payment into the budget.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 09, 2013, 01:33:15 AM
Plenty on YouTube When I cited Rothbard, Nozick, Locke, and Hoppe for a consensus on what makes "property" he decides to pullo ut one of his favorites.


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QuoteThose are just the scriptures of your religion.

Can we get a tally of how many times this asshat has said "herpa derp libertarianism is a religion!" without actually providing real arguments?

Then there's all the responses I got on this video. The video itself counts too though i've already posted it.

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QuoteWould you rather have to take out your credit card before you can receive an ambulance, fire truck, or police support during an emergency? Would you rather build your own roads, build your own schools, and hire your own teachers? Would you like a free military that defenses our country against bombs using sticks off the ground with no wages to put food on their tables? Would you like no regulation of food and medicine to keep poison out of it? Can everyone afford to pay for these things?


I almost feel bad ab out posting this one since it apepars to be a list of arguments we've already seen and debunked countless times.


QuoteTaxing someone and stealing from them are not the same thing. Taxes allow us to live our everyday lives.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 09, 2013, 08:15:50 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on October 08, 2013, 04:22:18 PM
Why don't they figure out what to spend after they've received the income? You know, like pretty much everybody else does? (And don't bring up buying cars, most people figure the payment into the budget.)

Firstly, and I'm pointing it out because this doesn't happen to you often, you got a click on Cool! for that comment.

Secondly, the notion of government starting the budget process with the question "How much money do we actually have?" is broadly considered absurd.  NPR's  "This American Life" did a story a while back where they openly mocked the notion that a government should budget that way.  (They aren't entirely stupid on that program, they also used an entire episode to do a detailed 'mea culpa' about getting taken in by that guy who wrote the largely false story about how bad conditions in the Chinese factories making Apple products are.  MOST of what they do is not too bad.  That particular story, however, is fail from beginning to end.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 09, 2013, 09:14:03 AM
Eminent domain is legitimate when it furthers a legitimate public goal... such as the interstate highway system. It has been misused, such as doing eminent domain with a low-ball offer to turn the property over to private concerns for some development.

In legitimate eminent domain actions the owner(s) are fairly compensated for the property taken. As such no theft.

From this video:[yt]RwN-uFCtXPs[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 09, 2013, 12:48:13 PM
http://cheezburger.com/7841513984#comments
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 10, 2013, 01:16:20 PM
Our society gives you the freedom to come and go where and when you wish. However, driving is not a constitutional right – it is a privilege you earned upon receiving your license. You are obligated to follow Texas' licensing regulations and rules of the road in order to keep that privilege.

This is in a defensive driver course I'm taking.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 11, 2013, 01:23:34 PM
https://m.facebook.com/comment/replies/?ctoken=10151669000844117_10080048&ft_ent_identifier=10151669000844117&gfid=AQCbYvJbGZ3U_DRF&__user=100000247848017
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 11, 2013, 02:26:13 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 11, 2013, 01:23:34 PM
https://m.facebook.com/comment/replies/?ctoken=10151669000844117_10080048&ft_ent_identifier=10151669000844117&gfid=AQCbYvJbGZ3U_DRF&__user=100000247848017

The page cannot be displayed. Put the comment in quote brackets.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on October 11, 2013, 04:11:46 PM
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sinekonata is on a role here, in terms of fail
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 11, 2013, 04:31:10 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on October 11, 2013, 04:11:46 PM
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sinekonata is on a role here, in terms of fail
I've been reading Shane's replies to him.  Holy shit this sinekonata guy is a woo!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on October 11, 2013, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 11, 2013, 04:31:10 PM
I've been reading Shane's replies to him.  Holy shit this sinekonata guy is a woo!

sinekonata impression: *puts fingers in ears* lalalalalalalalala I will not process something that changes my world view into my mush of a brain LALALALALALALALALALALa
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 11, 2013, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 11, 2013, 02:26:13 PM
The page cannot be displayed. Put the comment in quote brackets.
QuoteOf course "libertarianism" isn't for me. It's for psychopaths who would rather see children die horribly than make the rich pay a dime for their health care. Congrats,you're a horrible fucking excuse for a human being. Troll? No. I'm quite fucking sincere.

QuoteAccess to medicine is most certainly the same as the right to live. Calculation problem? lol The "free market" system in the US has really screwed that up hasn't it? I live in Japan, we have a single payer system here. I pay 40 dollars every couple of months to insure my whole family. Copays are around 5 dollars. What a horrible system, right?

QuoteForcing the rich to subsidise health care for the poor? THE HORROR!! OH MY GOD THAT IS LIKE HITLER OR SOMETHING!! Rich people paying a little extra so that poor people can get the human right that is health care. Unbelievable.


QuoteThe US, out of all nations on earth is the most free market when it comes to health care. We are the richest country in the world, and we can't afford to give our citizens health care, something much poorer Cuba has managed to do.

My responses:How nice, Tim is a fucking idiot who thinks stealing people's money to "help" people is good, those who are against mass theft are psychopaths. If someone doesn't want to fucking help you, they don't fucking have to. Those poor kids you don't actually care about would be better of in a free society where they could afford health care, not an unsustainable clusterfuck subsidized economy so people like you can live with the illusion of caring.

Did you just say cuba has a better healthcare system than the U.S.?
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
Presenting the great Cuban
health care system, where
poor people can't even get basic medical treatment.
Stop acting like the U.S. has
a free market. It doesn't some areas are freer than others, and are better for it. (i.e. video games) And stop acting like living within the same borders gives everyone some magical connection. It doesn't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 12, 2013, 02:34:06 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 09, 2013, 09:14:03 AM
In legitimate eminent domain actions the owner(s) are fairly compensated for the property taken. As such no theft.

Theft occurs because of the owner's involuntary deprivation of the article stolen. As such, eminent domain remains theft.

For a transfer to be compensated fairly, both parties must agree on what the exchange is to be, and this does not occur in eminent domain, even if the property taken is replaced with something that would generally be agreed to be of equal value.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 13, 2013, 08:16:16 PM
In the comments to this video:
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"Since slaveless societies EXISTED throughout the world (including nations comparable to the US), THAT was evidence that abolition of slavery could work. But you're making a claim WITHOUT supportive evidence, only ASSERTING that large statelessness can work.

You go out of your way to insult me for challenging your claims...yet I'M the evil fuck? You evidently have some serious anger issues to work out. Are you capable of mature debate or is this the best I can expect from you?"--Underlings

I"m surprised Shane didn't respond to this epic fail by Underlings.  My thoughts on it:
Yes, just like there have been examples of very successful anarchist societies before.  Medieval Anarchic Ireland which lasted for 2000 years being a good example.  And yet it doesn't stop your ass just like the examples of slave-less societies didn't stop those supporting slavery.  Again, you still haven't met your burden of proof--slavery and statism are BOTH positive claims on the liberty of an unwilling other.  Ergo, they have the burden of proof.  One that you have not met.  He's not claiming stateless can work.  He's stating that YOU haven't met your burden of proof that YOUR state aperatus does what it says it's supposed to.  Just like a fucking homeopath, you continually weasel out of it.  Eat a sack of shit, OP.

Oh, cry me a river.  You came into a libertarian video supporting horseshit by constantly shifting the burden of proof and throwing just as much at him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on October 14, 2013, 11:21:48 PM
(http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2013/10/hitler-cancer.jpg)

Sweet Celestia! There are people who still think smoking doesn't cause lung cancer?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 15, 2013, 11:47:58 AM
  Driving is a __________ society has entrusted to us when we are issued a license.

   freedom
   privilege
   right
   liberty

A. is the answer.

This is from a defensive driving course. I really want to bash my head after reading shit like this, and this is the first of 8 units.

My bad. Correct answer:   

Our society gives you the freedom to come and go where and when you wish. However, driving is not a constitutional right -- it is a privilege you earned upon receiving your license. You are obligated to follow State licensing regulations and rules-of-the-road in order to keep that privilege.

Driving isn't a fucking privilege. I'm so tired hearing this line parroted everywhere. Last time I'm getting a ticket.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on October 15, 2013, 11:50:55 AM
Good ole liberal luddism

New Robot Walks like Humans, Looks Like Terminator. Goodbye Blue Collar Laborers (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,19820.0.html)

QuoteWonder how many benefits or retirement 401k contributions these guys will need on the docks?  or in the warehouses.  Or digging ditches, building roads or anything like that....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 15, 2013, 12:23:38 PM
Quotedriving is not a constitutional right -- it is a privilege you earned upon receiving your license. You are obligated to follow State licensing regulations and rules-of-the-road in order to keep that privilege
.

Well, technically you can only grant a privilege if you have the power to grant or deny that privilege. Since the state has no ability to render you incapable of operating a motor vehicle, driving can't be a privilege. It would be prohibitively expensive, although possible, to prevent you from using state-owned roads; which is actually the privilege they claim to grant. It is eminately  easy to click on "make this license invalid" - so technically, having a valid license is the privilege.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 15, 2013, 12:29:51 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on October 15, 2013, 12:23:38 PM
.

Well, technically you can only grant a privilege if you have the power to grant or deny that privilege. Since the state has no ability to render you incapable of operating a motor vehicle, driving can't be a privilege. It would be prohibitively expensive, although possible, to prevent you from using state-owned roads; which is actually the privilege they claim to grant. It is eminately  easy to click on "make this license invalid" - so technically, having a valid license is the privilege.
It's saying driving itself is a privilege. It's like saying that being a barber is a privilege because you need a state license to legally practice. That doesn't make it a privilege, that just means that your local mafia has say in who can and can't do it under threat of force. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 15, 2013, 01:09:48 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/opinion/sunday/fables-of-wealth.html?_r=0
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 15, 2013, 01:43:52 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 15, 2013, 12:29:51 PM
It's saying driving itself is a privilege. It's like saying that being a barber is a privilege because you need a state license to legally practice. That doesn't make it a privilege, that just means that your local mafia has say in who can and can't do it under threat of force.

Well, in this case, under threat of sending you a bill, and some threatening letters if you not pay the bill. But I know what you mean about the defensive driving course. I now wish that I had just paid the ticket, took the 2 points, and got on with my life.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 15, 2013, 01:57:23 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on October 15, 2013, 01:43:52 PM
Well, in this case, under threat of sending you a bill, and some threatening letters if you not pay the bill. But I know what you mean about the defensive driving course. I now wish that I had just paid the ticket, took the 2 points, and got on with my life.
Actually, they put a warrant out for your arrest if you you refuse to pay the ticket.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 15, 2013, 02:07:23 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 15, 2013, 01:57:23 PM
Actually, they put a warrant out for your arrest if you you refuse to pay the ticket.

It depends on what the ticket was for. Unless it was something major, they usually send a summons to your house; or a thing that says your registration has been canceled.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 15, 2013, 02:38:06 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on October 15, 2013, 02:07:23 PM
It depends on what the ticket was for. Unless it was something major, they usually send a summons to your house; or a thing that says your registration has been canceled.
I went 80 in a 65.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 15, 2013, 06:23:28 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 15, 2013, 11:47:58 AM
  Driving is a __________ society has entrusted to us when we are issued a license.

   freedom
   privilege
   right
   liberty

A. is the answer.

This is from a defensive driving course. I really want to bash my head after reading shit like this, and this is the first of 8 units.

My bad. Correct answer:   

Our society gives you the freedom to come and go where and when you wish. However, driving is not a constitutional right -- it is a privilege you earned upon receiving your license. You are obligated to follow State licensing regulations and rules-of-the-road in order to keep that privilege.

Driving isn't a fucking privilege. I'm so tired hearing this line parroted everywhere. Last time I'm getting a ticket.
Seconded.  Sounds like they hammered that crap to you when you were in driving school/class too. >_<
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on October 15, 2013, 07:00:40 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on October 15, 2013, 11:50:55 AM
Good ole liberal luddism

New Robot Walks like Humans, Looks Like Terminator. Goodbye Blue Collar Laborers (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,19820.0.html)

damn luddites
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on October 15, 2013, 10:23:03 PM
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C0nc0rdance

QuoteIf the government can have nuclear power stations, I can have one in my basement?
If the government can have a standing army, Bill Gates can have one too?
If the government can print money, I can too?
I dunno. I think the government monopoly on some things is beneficial to society.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 15, 2013, 10:49:29 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on October 15, 2013, 10:23:03 PM
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C0nc0rdance
So did he just completely miss the point?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on October 15, 2013, 11:25:37 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 15, 2013, 10:49:29 PM
So did he just completely miss the point?

Looks like he did more than that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 15, 2013, 11:46:58 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on October 15, 2013, 11:25:37 PM
Looks like he did more than that.
Is it just me or is his state fetish getting progressively worse.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on October 16, 2013, 12:27:58 AM
QuoteA Massachusetts honor student rescued a drunken friend from a party. Now she's the one in trouble.

Erin Cox, 17, was at a yogurt shop when her plastered pal called from a party to ask for a ride home, the Boston Herald reported.

Cox arrived minutes before the cops. She was sober, as police later confirmed, but that wasn't good enough for North Andover High School.

The school suspended Cox, a standout volleyball player, for five games and took away her role as team captain. She's accused of violating the school's zero-tolerance policy toward alcohol and drugs.

Cox was stunned.

"But I wasn't drinking," she told the Herald. "And I felt like going to get her was the right thing to do."

Cox's parents couldn't believe it either. They hired a lawyer and sued the district to fight the suspension.

Attorney Wendy Murphy said the district is sending a dangerous message to teens.

"If a kid asks for help from a friend, you don't want that kid to say, 'I'm sorry I can't help you. I might get in trouble at school,'" Murphy told WBZ-TV.

The court ruled it didn't have jurisdiction over the school's decision, leaving Cox to sit the bench.

Geoffrey Bok, an attorney for the district, told the Herald the school had to act when police got involved.

"The school is really trying to take a very serious and principled stand regarding alcohol," Bok said.

Eleanor Cox, the teen's mom, said the district's hardline tactics have hurt a good girl who did the right thing.

"She's very fragile, and I'm worried about her — very worried about her," she said. "She didn't do anything wrong."

The teen said she still thinks she made the right choice, but she's disheartened.

"I just feel very defeated," she said. "When you're in high school, you're supposed to stay perfect and be perfect, but everyone makes mistakes."

The district didn't respond to a request for comment.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/drunk-logic-sober-teen-suspended-driving-friend-home-party-article-1.1486179 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/drunk-logic-sober-teen-suspended-driving-friend-home-party-article-1.1486179)

Zero tolerance everybody ugh

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 16, 2013, 11:14:40 AM
I don't know what to say about this nonsense.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/10/white-house-calls-postage-stamps-encouring-fitness-unsafe/ (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/10/white-house-calls-postage-stamps-encouring-fitness-unsafe/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 16, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on October 16, 2013, 11:14:40 AM
I don't know what to say about this nonsense.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/10/white-house-calls-postage-stamps-encouring-fitness-unsafe/ (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/10/white-house-calls-postage-stamps-encouring-fitness-unsafe/)

how does that work again? the article doesn't explain the logic behind this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 16, 2013, 01:36:36 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on October 16, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
how does that work again? the article doesn't explain the logic behind this.

Some of the images on the stamps depict sports for which specific safety equipment is recommended, like helmets for bicycle riding, and various pads for skateboarding.  The fact that the images are all extremely stylized and don't depict anything specific about what the characters in them are wearing doesn't seem to enter into it.  The only part I don't get is why it seems to be being attributed to the Mrs.  From here in Canada, she seems to be pretty quiet, like most First Ladies have been (with the exception of Hillary Clinton, who is the one who actually wanted to be President, from all accounts).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 16, 2013, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on October 16, 2013, 01:36:36 PM
Some of the images on the stamps depict sports for which specific safety equipment is recommended, like helmets for bicycle riding, and various pads for skateboarding.  The fact that the images are all extremely stylized and don't depict anything specific about what the characters in them are wearing doesn't seem to enter into it.  The only part I don't get is why it seems to be being attributed to the Mrs.  From here in Canada, she seems to be pretty quiet, like most First Ladies have been (with the exception of Hillary Clinton, who is the one who actually wanted to be President, from all accounts).

And now you know why I can't understand the logic, and in fact don't see any.

Actually, I'm not surprised people blame Michelle Obama: She's been very active in the health campaign going on here. And she's been influencing people and policy (or rather, is seen to do so). Whether she actually is all that influential, I cannot say, or confirm.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 16, 2013, 03:11:59 PM
Watching CNN at McDanolds, and some guy just said their losing 16400000$ off the gov "shutdown". How?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 16, 2013, 04:15:25 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 16, 2013, 03:11:59 PM
Watching CNN at McDanolds, and some guy just said their losing 16400000$ off the gov "shutdown". How?

This story explains it: http://www.nbcnews.com/business/money-nothing-government-shutdown-costs-12-5-million-hour-8C11308802

QuoteThat estimate, from economic consulting firm IHS Global Insight, covers just the cost in work and services the government is unable to perform as it furloughs 800,000 federal workers. According to IHS, pay for federal employees is considered part of the Gross Domestic Product, which is the total value of all goods and services produced in the nation each year. So no pay for the workers means no contribution to U.S. economic output.

Sounds like statist doublespeak to me. If we don't pay them, then we lose the money because they aren't doing the stuff we'd pay them for. So, then, WHAT is being done with that money? It's kind of like a reverse Broken Window Fallacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 16, 2013, 07:45:16 PM
And then there's geodgereturns in this video:

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Watch him get completely pwned as I show him Krugman advocating a housing bubble, only to turn around and claim it was a joke.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on October 16, 2013, 10:10:54 PM
(http://jensorensen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/debtceiling2013.png)

So which is it, Dems? Do you all want compromise or don't you? You cannot demand compromise while simultaneously demeaning it.

Let me guess: when you lot refuse to compromise, you're standing by your principles; but when "they" refuse to compromise, they're being unreasonable.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on October 16, 2013, 10:45:32 PM
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Ay caramba *Head desk*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2013, 06:39:11 PM
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/sigh
The description says it all: "In the past three decades, says Michael Sandel, the US has drifted from a market economy to a market society; it's fair to say that an American's experience of shared civic life depends on how much money they have. (Three key examples: access to education, access to justice, political influence.) In a talk and audience discussion, Sandel asks us to think honestly on this question: In our current democracy, is too much for sale?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2013, 06:44:14 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on October 16, 2013, 10:10:54 PM
(http://jensorensen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/debtceiling2013.png)

So which is it, Dems? Do you all want compromise or don't you? You cannot demand compromise while simultaneously demeaning it.

Let me guess: when you lot refuse to compromise, you’re standing by your principles; but when “they” refuse to compromise, they’re being unreasonable.
omg! lol! That falls into the 'so bad it's funny' category for me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2013, 07:21:46 PM
http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2013/10/taxation-is-not-slavery/
Woowee!  This is a doozey.
The big one:
"In other words, 100% taxation would be morally or "effectively" identical to slavery.
       
Except that it isn't. It just clearly isn't. Even with a rate of taxation of 100%, no one would be forcing you to labor, they would merely ("merely") be forcibly extracting 100% of the proceeds of your labor. If you chose not to work at all (and why wouldn't you choose this?), no one would be stopping you."
>>Govco can't force you to work
I smell bullshit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2013, 09:46:36 PM
“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart

"If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males." --Mary Daly, former Professor at Boston College, 2001.

"All men are good for is fucking, and running over with a truck". University of Maine Feminist Administrator
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on October 17, 2013, 11:42:27 PM
http://gawker.com/house-stenographer-dragged-off-floor-yelling-about-free-1446830813?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow (http://gawker.com/house-stenographer-dragged-off-floor-yelling-about-free-1446830813?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

I'm not sure where the fail is here, but it somewhere
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 18, 2013, 12:38:30 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on October 17, 2013, 11:42:27 PM
http://gawker.com/house-stenographer-dragged-off-floor-yelling-about-free-1446830813?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow (http://gawker.com/house-stenographer-dragged-off-floor-yelling-about-free-1446830813?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

I'm not sure where the fail is here, but it somewhere

From the looks of it, the fail is she managed to get to the podium while having some sort of break-down. If you subtract her God-tirade, what she said about the constitution is accurate.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 18, 2013, 06:26:17 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on October 17, 2013, 11:42:27 PM
http://gawker.com/house-stenographer-dragged-off-floor-yelling-about-free-1446830813?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow (http://gawker.com/house-stenographer-dragged-off-floor-yelling-about-free-1446830813?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

I'm not sure where the fail is here, but it somewhere

Go easy on her: she's had to write down every single word Congress has said. That's enough to drive anyone bonkers!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 18, 2013, 10:33:27 AM
I was driving to school and a fucking cop pulled up in front of a green light so that a funeral mororcade could get through without having to actually stop at the light, making me catch the light.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 18, 2013, 11:03:37 AM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 18, 2013, 10:33:27 AM
I was driving to school and a fucking cop pulled up in front of a green light so that a funeral motorcade could get through without having to actually stop at the light, making me catch the light.
Nothing like honoring the dead--by inconveniencing the unwilling living as much as humanly possible.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 18, 2013, 02:23:34 PM
http://m.ky3.com/news/scout-leaders-destroy-ancient-rock-formation/-/21050474/22502430/-/kj959i/-/index.html

I don't know what's more fail, the boy scout leader knocking over a rock, or the felony charges. Either way its funny as hell.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 19, 2013, 05:35:42 AM
"saigh" this crap again. Hell everything from John Q on this video

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QuoteYou see no issue with capitalists restricting people to the binary choices of work or starvation. Oddly enough, you'd interpret the choice between living in a state and living alone in the wilderness, as a depraved alternative that I manufactured. You believe in 100% volunteerism, but you cannot ensure that all of your volunteer states will respect the freedoms of people outside of it. Your philosophy depends on ethical universality, and perfect information.




QuoteWell, civilization by definition is Government. You are free to continue being a part of civilization, but you are also free to leave it behind you. You may claim that is a false choice, but all I'm saying is that the vast majority of people in the world choose the state. So, it's really only a choice that someone with your philosophy is faced with. I can't see why we should be burdened with your predicament, or where you get the right to force it on us.

Counting THREE fallacies so far in that statement alone. First is the old "government is civilization" claim. then "love it or leave it" and finally we have "don't force libertarianism on me!" Really that last one jsut make sme laugh. I kind of want to rebutt with a reductio ad absurdium like. "Don't force me to stop foercing others in to thigns they don't want!"


Oh here we go! I think somebody is tryign to step up tot eh challenge of "name one government in history bnot domianted by rich people" I honeslty odn'tknow anything on this chracter so i'm not sure of the validity of this argument.



QuoteDo you understand how politics works? If a party is elected and enacts policies supported by the masses then it is a government of the people. You fools just want to hand power to the rich without even having a vote on which policies you want.

Nye Beven is a great example of a working class leader, but there are many more.


Oh THIS one is just rich.



QuoteThere is no way to produce anything in society without simultaneously benefiting from government resources. If your kid was living in your home, you'd be justified in demanding that they pay rent and for some of the bills while living under your roof. Once you leave your country, I'm sure everyone would agree that you are no longer bound to pay for services once rendered by the country that you came from. Likewise, you couldn't charge rent to your kids after they left your home.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on October 19, 2013, 02:21:11 PM
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People I warn you this video is full of fail in not only editing but also of it subject matter
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 19, 2013, 07:45:42 PM
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>Who don't have an interest in paying for the education of poor black children

And why the fuck should they? That has nothing to do with race, that has everything to do with who has the right of their own money you bloated windbag!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 20, 2013, 01:15:34 AM
QuoteThis week, Paul Thornton, letters editor for the Los Angeles Times announced the paper will "no longer publish letters from climate change deniers," as reported by Poynter.org. Thornton says, "Simply put, I do my best to keep errors of fact off the letters page; when one does run, a correction is published. ... Saying 'there's no sign humans have caused climate change' is not stating an opinion, it's asserting a factual inaccuracy." Really? Is this kind of censorship good public-service policy for the Los Angeles Times? It is a good policy for the global warming alarmist movement because those who are more knowledgeable about climate change are more likely to dismiss the alarm as unfounded.

Armstrong, S. (2013/10/19) Fox News; The Los Angeles Times Endorses Censorship
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 20, 2013, 01:26:00 AM
Capitalism can't work because people won't produce products that last because it isn't profitable. Hospitals just want you to get hooked to medicines

Guy at a solar festival I went to for Libertarian panel.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 20, 2013, 08:15:33 AM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 20, 2013, 01:26:00 AM
Capitalism can't work because people won't produce products that last because it isn't profitable. Hospitals just want you to get hooked to medicines

Guy at a solar festival I went to for Libertarian panel.
Funny that the very example he used involved the second most regulated (after banking/finance) industry in America.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 20, 2013, 08:27:30 AM
Quote"Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality."

if you arent a liberal, youre a prick.

Quotemy position is irrelevant. all that matters is the merits of what i say - for that reason, that is all i care about.

it is true that unless you are a liberal, you are a prick. likewise if you arent a progressive. likewise for myriad other things.


Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 20, 2013, 08:29:33 AM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 20, 2013, 01:26:00 AM
Capitalism can't work because people won't produce products that last because it isn't profitable. Hospitals just want you to get hooked to medicines

Guy at a solar festival I went to for Libertarian panel.

Okay, say most of product X lasts for a year.
Then someone else makes a similar product that lasts for two years but costs only 1.5x as much.
Would you buy the latter?  If so, there's your answer.  If not, then obviously you're not really all that concerned about product longevity.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 20, 2013, 08:52:30 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on October 20, 2013, 08:29:33 AM
Okay, say most of product X lasts for a year.
Then someone else makes a similar product that lasts for two years but costs only 1.5x as much.
Would you buy the latter?  If so, there's your answer.  If not, then obviously you're not really all that concerned about product longevity.

That's something a lot of people don't get: they DO "make them like they used to"; for example, you can get a dining room table just as sturdy as your great-grandmother's. It'll just cost you. Most people would rather go to Ikea because the tables are cheap and "good enough." But if you want longevity (and many people do), there's options.

But in a lot of cases it doesn't make sense. Take computers, for example. Within 5 years you'll probably want another one, one that's newer, faster, better. Same with TVs; in my life I went from black-and-white to color, small screen to large screen, to flat-screen HDTV. Eventually, I'll probably want an OLED. There's no sense in which I'll want to watch the same TV 50 years from now that I have right now.

It's not that they build them to fail; it's that there's no point in taking the expense in making their operational lifespan longer than people are going to want. That'll just increase the price, and people won't be willing to pay it.

Not like with (say) a bed, where you might very well buy one and keep it most of your life.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 20, 2013, 10:57:29 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 20, 2013, 08:52:30 AM
That's something a lot of people don't get: they DO "make them like they used to"; for example, you can get a dining room table just as sturdy as your great-grandmother's. It'll just cost you. Most people would rather go to Ikea because the tables are cheap and "good enough." But if you want longevity (and many people do), there's options.

But in a lot of cases it doesn't make sense. Take computers, for example. Within 5 years you'll probably want another one, one that's newer, faster, better. Same with TVs; in my life I went from black-and-white to color, small screen to large screen, to flat-screen HDTV. Eventually, I'll probably want an OLED. There's no sense in which I'll want to watch the same TV 50 years from now that I have right now.

It's not that they build them to fail; it's that there's no point in taking the expense in making their operational lifespan longer than people are going to want. That'll just increase the price, and people won't be willing to pay it.

Not like with (say) a bed, where you might very well buy one and keep it most of your life.
Very well put, Shane. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 20, 2013, 12:55:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 20, 2013, 08:52:30 AM
That's something a lot of people don't get: they DO "make them like they used to"; for example, you can get a dining room table just as sturdy as your great-grandmother's. It'll just cost you. Most people would rather go to Ikea because the tables are cheap and "good enough." But if you want longevity (and many people do), there's options.

But in a lot of cases it doesn't make sense. Take computers, for example. Within 5 years you'll probably want another one, one that's newer, faster, better. Same with TVs; in my life I went from black-and-white to color, small screen to large screen, to flat-screen HDTV. Eventually, I'll probably want an OLED. There's no sense in which I'll want to watch the same TV 50 years from now that I have right now.

It's not that they build them to fail; it's that there's no point in taking the expense in making their operational lifespan longer than people are going to want. That'll just increase the price, and people won't be willing to pay it.

Not like with (say) a bed, where you might very well buy one and keep it most of your life.
Not to mention he asked me if  I had evidence when I told him that's not what happens.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 20, 2013, 01:30:32 PM
Someone honestl y trying to justify Ryan Faulk style segregation  said THIS!


Quotetnu we want to prohibit them from stealing our money through social redistribution.

I think at least one of us has made fun of this line of reasoning before like "We can't allow open borders because immigrants will abuse entitlements!"

QuoteMulticulturalism is a proven failed concept.

Citation needed. Even assuming he's right it still doesn't justify forced separation.

QuoteDo you see other animals living together this way? Do the polar bears live with the black bears? That makes no sense.

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QuoteI am sorry if you were inculcated with cultural relativism at a young age. It is really just artificial social engineering. It is ok to have some immigrants but not so many that it dilutes your entire culture.

Who decides this?
Quote
It is an attempt to make us feeble and vulnerable. Other examples of this are not letting kids chuck snow, fail a class, win a sports game, or feel normal about wanting to mate with a partner who has superior genes.

You ALMOST started to make sense until that "superior genes" crap. Now, I may be wrong here but i'm pretty sure this is just bad science. It's not my specialty Shane is better with evolution then I am.


QuoteThe media makes us think ugly people exist? What the hell is that bull shit? I hate those lanky pencil neck liberal arts graduates who have nothing better to do than suggest such stupid ideas. They realize how the system has produced them to be such a failure. The only way they can feel better is to make sure every other person becomes a loser like them. 


Not even sure where this came form.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 20, 2013, 02:49:47 PM
http://www.westernjournalism.com/ex-navy-seal-government-creating-conditions-impose-martial-law/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 21, 2013, 10:16:52 AM
Anyone saying Obama is going to declare martial law.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 21, 2013, 10:26:21 AM
http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/obama-secretly-signing-away-us-sovereignty-shock-plan-regulates-food-medicine-financial-markets-internet-freedom
Even if this is true, their criticisms are fucking retarded.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 21, 2013, 12:33:14 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 21, 2013, 10:26:21 AM
http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/obama-secretly-signing-away-us-sovereignty-shock-plan-regulates-food-medicine-financial-markets-internet-freedom
Even if this is true, their criticisms are fucking retarded.
Just saw a cop speed like 10 miles over the speed limit and tail gate someone who slowed down when the cop got close to him. Fuckong dick.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 21, 2013, 04:12:03 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 21, 2013, 05:14:35 PM
https://www.facebook.com/SkepticalLibertarian/posts/677762915574854?comment_id=7319609&reply_comment_id=7319900&offset=0&total_comments=29&notif_t=share_reply
Comments by William Jelvin Aksoy this guy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 21, 2013, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: tnu on October 20, 2013, 01:30:32 PM
Someone honestl y trying to justify Ryan Faulk style segregation  said THIS!


I think at least one of us has made fun of this line of reasoning before like "We can't allow open borders because immigrants will abuse entitlements!"

That's a problem with entitlements, not with immigration.

And this whole "superior genes" nonsense is just a complete fail argument because even if you did prove it, it would be meaningless because such findings tell you NOTHING about any individual black or hispanic person.  Segregate people because they're part of a group that statistically does more bad things?  I'm sure I don't have to explain what kind of slippery slope that is.

Raised by a single parent?  Sorry but you gotta go
Make less than a certain amount?  Goodbye
Heck, segregate the genders since I"m sure you can find some expert who will say one is more violent than the other.  Then what?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on October 21, 2013, 11:01:12 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on October 21, 2013, 09:48:55 PM
That's a problem with entitlements, not with immigration.

And this whole "superior genes" nonsense is just a complete fail argument because even if you did prove it, it would be meaningless because such findings tell you NOTHING about any individual black or hispanic person.  Segregate people because they're part of a group that statistically does more bad things?  I'm sure I don't have to explain what kind of slippery slope that is.

Raised by a single parent?  Sorry but you gotta go
Make less than a certain amount?  Goodbye
Heck, segregate the genders since I"m sure you can find some expert who will say one is more violent than the other.  Then what?

Also African American poverty was declining before welfare after that that came to an abrupt halt and according some measures even INCREASED.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 22, 2013, 12:01:39 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on October 21, 2013, 09:48:55 PMSegregate people because they're part of a group that statistically does more bad things?  I'm sure I don't have to explain what kind of slippery slope that is.

Also, there is a danger of false correlation. It is possible the undesired behavior has to do more with a lack of (legal) access to needful things than being a member of any particular group. Is he a thief because he's black, or is he a thief because he can't get hired because he's black? Does the neighborhood's poverty and related high crime cause a lack of commercial investment, or does the lack of commercial investment and opportunity cause the higher crime, and the resulting poverty?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 22, 2013, 01:22:58 AM
From the comments of this video (the video itself is not fail) My comments in blue, Hawkeyes in green and the fail in red.

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That "living wage" mantra needs to die in a fire for two reasons.

1. "I need it, therefore you owe it to me" is not an argument.

2. I make minimum wage and produce a surplus every month because I don't blow my money on junk I don't need.




I seriously doubt you actually for minimum wage because anyone getting fucked up the ass that hard by the man wouldn't be defending this shit system that depends on unemployment to keep workers terrified...unless you really love to suck the masters cock ...you make so little so you boss can make so much much more on the work YOU did.



Holy run on sentences Batman!

Actually it's quite simple. I budget tightly, I got a job close enough for me to ride a bike, I have reliable roommates to split expenses with and most important, I don't breed like a rabbit like so many numbskulls who somehow missed the memo that children are expensive.

Your boss makes more than you because he took more financial risks that you did. That's why. Wanna make as much? Start your own business or STFU.





My boss didn't take any more financial risk than me, they happen to be the stuffed suit in charge at the time...Are you so fucking stupid you think all business are small start ups where the people who created the company still have anything to do with it? Besides someone taking more "risk" than another doesn't some how equate to them being able to make money be exploiting the worker....the person who is subjecting themselves to employment is losing as much as someone else "risked" by allowing

Then try starting a busienss if you think it's so easy.



I can't wait to start a business so i can get rich of the back of having my employees doing the work......I don't care how hard it is to start a business, you're missing the point, you think putting up risk and working hard to start a business makes it okay for the exploitation of labor value in the capitalist system. You wouldn't say it's okay for a bank robber or murderer due to how much time and effort they put into planning and executing their crime.



Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 22, 2013, 01:38:57 AM
Also, if the minimum wage didn't exist, what constitutes a living wage would probably be exponentially lower, because then suppliers wouldn't have to jack up prices to cover the statutory costs of employing YOU. Also, unemployment would most likely be quite a bit lower because no one would have to be terminated when the rate went up half-a-cent, and they're just not worth...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 22, 2013, 12:05:31 PM
Quote from: tnu on October 22, 2013, 01:22:58 AM
From the comments of this video (the video itself is not fail) My comments in blue, Hawkeyes in green and the fail in red.

[yt]Ct1Moeaa-W8[/yt]



That "living wage" mantra needs to die in a fire for two reasons.

1. "I need it, therefore you owe it to me" is not an argument.

2. I make minimum wage and produce a surplus every month because I don't blow my money on junk I don't need.




I seriously doubt you actually for minimum wage because anyone getting fucked up the ass that hard by the man wouldn't be defending this shit system that depends on unemployment to keep workers terrified...unless you really love to suck the masters cock ...you make so little so you boss can make so much much more on the work YOU did.



Holy run on sentences Batman!

Actually it's quite simple. I budget tightly, I got a job close enough for me to ride a bike, I have reliable roommates to split expenses with and most important, I don't breed like a rabbit like so many numbskulls who somehow missed the memo that children are expensive.

Your boss makes more than you because he took more financial risks that you did. That's why. Wanna make as much? Start your own business or STFU.





My boss didn't take any more financial risk than me, they happen to be the stuffed suit in charge at the time...Are you so fucking stupid you think all business are small start ups where the people who created the company still have anything to do with it? Besides someone taking more "risk" than another doesn't some how equate to them being able to make money be exploiting the worker....the person who is subjecting themselves to employment is losing as much as someone else "risked" by allowing

Then try starting a busienss if you think it's so easy.



I can't wait to start a business so i can get rich of the back of having my employees doing the work......I don't care how hard it is to start a business, you're missing the point, you think putting up risk and working hard to start a business makes it okay for the exploitation of labor value in the capitalist system. You wouldn't say it's okay for a bank robber or murderer due to how much time and effort they put into planning and executing their crime.
You should stop trying to take people like this seriously. You should just troll the living shit out of them. Anyone who thinks hiring someone is equivalent to bank robbers and murderers are not worth any more effort. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 22, 2013, 12:18:34 PM
Some guy asked me to sign a petition to ban plastic bags. I said no and walked off.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 22, 2013, 02:02:45 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 22, 2013, 12:18:34 PM
Some guy asked me to sign a petition to ban plastic bags. I said no and walked off.

Next time, say "Sure, if you'll sign my petition to ban hydrogen hydroxide!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 22, 2013, 02:26:44 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 22, 2013, 02:02:45 PM
Next time, say "Sure, if you'll sign my petition to ban hydrogen hydroxide!"

Don't you mean dihydrogen monoxide?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 22, 2013, 04:03:57 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 22, 2013, 12:18:34 PM
Some guy asked me to sign a petition to ban plastic bags. I said no and walked off.

hey! I got one of those too!

though I didn't say "no". I did say "go fuck yourself" though.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 22, 2013, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: tnu on October 22, 2013, 02:26:44 PM
Don't you mean dihydrogen monoxide?

Same thing, although I think hydrogen hydroxide is more technically correct.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on October 22, 2013, 05:19:42 PM
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Someone using a religious figure to promote anti-science sentiments? The irony!

And the guy even responded to that comment: You mean pro-science sentiments. I want everything scientifically tested, retested, peer reviewed, and labeled. I want TONS of science. Monsanto does not want that. As you surely know, they spend millions, if not billions, every year to stop testing and labeling.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on October 22, 2013, 05:21:37 PM
This video is two years old, but it also regurgitates the same anti-GMO, anti-Monsanto bogosity:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 22, 2013, 06:20:15 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on October 22, 2013, 05:19:42 PM
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Someone using a religious figure to promote anti-science sentiments? The irony!

And the guy even responded to that comment: You mean pro-science sentiments. I want everything scientifically tested, retested, peer reviewed, and labeled. I want TONS of science. Monsanto does not want that. As you surely know, they spend millions, if not billions, every year to stop testing and labeling.
Dude, I'm an atheist and that video was freakin' painful.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 23, 2013, 09:58:20 AM
I just heard a story on the radio where parents called the cops for having a party. They were charged with giving alcohol to minors. And a bunch of people called in agreeing. One guy said it was good because he heard reports that girls can get raped while drunk. They just said that a lawyer daid they probably did it to avoid getting arrested.  But remember, it's to protect the children.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on October 23, 2013, 02:28:13 PM
Paul Krugman Has a Pretty Awesome Track Record (http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/10/23/krugmans-dick-morris-award/)

Yeah, considering how often Krugman has been named Biggest Bogon Emitter and Idiot Extraordinaire, it's safe to laugh this assertion off.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 23, 2013, 02:47:23 PM
http://csgv.org/blog/2013/october-domestic-violence-encouragement-month-pro-gun-activists/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 23, 2013, 03:03:42 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 23, 2013, 02:47:23 PM
http://csgv.org/blog/2013/october-domestic-violence-encouragement-month-pro-gun-activists/

Aren't guns more likely to prevent domestic violence by giving the victim a means to defend themselves?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 23, 2013, 03:45:38 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on October 23, 2013, 02:28:13 PM
Paul Krugman Has a Pretty Awesome Track Record (http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/10/23/krugmans-dick-morris-award/)

Yeah, considering how often Krugman has been named Biggest Bogon Emitter and Idiot Extraordinaire, it's safe to laugh this assertion off.

M-hmmm:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 23, 2013, 03:47:12 PM
QuoteCalm down, you're taking things awfully seriously. I think you have quite the audacity to accuse me of arguing dishonourably when you blatantly shrug off the proof I provide and distort my stance. I've already proven why the current system does not have merit. You're just mad that not everybody holds an intractable opinion like you. Most people live in the real work of compromise and marginalism. All you're really arguing is that you don't agree with the same values, not the level of proof. You're not fooling anybody with your ruse. If you want people to stop supporting philosophical values you disagree with, then convince them or move to Somalia. Honestly, you'll just disagree regardless. Fortunately, people aren't stupid and want to live functional lives. If you've got issues with that, don't complain to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 23, 2013, 03:47:27 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 23, 2013, 02:47:23 PM
http://csgv.org/blog/2013/october-domestic-violence-encouragement-month-pro-gun-activists/

"nine women are shot and killed by their husband or intimate partner every week in America..."

Yeah, what was that I just posted about Wason's Four-Card task?

Or as Stefan Molyneux would say, "Compared to what?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 23, 2013, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: tnu on October 23, 2013, 03:47:12 PM

What?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 23, 2013, 05:48:39 PM
Quote from: tnu on October 23, 2013, 03:03:42 PM
Aren't guns more likely to prevent domestic violence by giving the victim a means to defend themselves?
No clue. But the dumbass who wrote this doesn't care for facts, which is why he cherrypicks gun violence, because when I kill you with a gun, it's so much worse than bashing your brains out with a baseball bat.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on October 23, 2013, 08:54:06 PM
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Good grief! This guy treats the KKK with more nuance than the TP!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 24, 2013, 12:38:28 PM
Speaking of racism..

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I'm sorry, but I stopped taking this one seriously once it got to Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 24, 2013, 01:11:16 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 24, 2013, 12:38:28 PM
Speaking of racism..

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I'm sorry, but I stopped taking this one seriously once it got to Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain.
lol at the top comments
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 24, 2013, 01:25:05 PM
http://cheezburger.com/7832129536
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 24, 2013, 01:59:13 PM
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/sigh
So not funding something is "suppressing" it?  Riiight, just like how not funding Stem Cell Research = banning it!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 24, 2013, 05:02:50 PM
People who use the word "society". I'm sick of reading people say shit like "contributing to society", or "prostitution has a useful role in soceity."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 24, 2013, 05:08:03 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 24, 2013, 01:59:13 PM
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/sigh
So not funding something is "suppressing" it?  Riiight, just like how not funding Stem Cell Research = banning it!
The top comments are fucking stupid. Oil companies would still make money from electric cars. How do they think you charge them? With magic?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 24, 2013, 06:14:45 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 24, 2013, 05:08:03 PM
The top comments are fucking stupid. Oil companies would still make money from electric cars. How do they think you charge them? With magic?

You turn a handle, which spins a gyro, which charges the battery?
You blow on the propeller?
You park in a really sunny space?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 24, 2013, 07:32:35 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 24, 2013, 05:02:50 PM
People who use the word "society". I'm sick of reading people say shit like "contributing to society", or "prostitution has a useful role in soceity."
Or how about variations of "we are the state"? Where people speak of government like it is the rest of 'society', etc?
Or even worse, "you gotta go to jail to repay your debt to society" from the fucking Powerpuff Girls of all places.  Not sure if they were poking fun at things like that, so there you go, but then, a lot of people seem to think like that unironically so ugh.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 24, 2013, 08:22:48 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 24, 2013, 05:08:03 PM
The top comments are fucking stupid. Oil companies would still make money from electric cars. How do they think you charge them? With magic?
To be fair, most of our power comes from coal, not oil, but even then, it just reeks of conspiracy mongering imho.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 24, 2013, 08:27:05 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 24, 2013, 07:32:35 PM
Or how about variations of "we are the state"? Where people speak of government like it is the rest of 'society', etc?
Or even worse, "you gotta go to jail to repay your debt to society" from the fucking Powerpuff Girls of all places.  Not sure if they were poking fun at things like that, so there you go, but then, a lot of people seem to think like that unironically so ugh.
I'm referring to anyone who talks about socuety like a fucking physical, singulair object, and not ma random collection of people who happen to live with in an arbitrarily chosen geographic region of eachother. Like "you have to be a productive member of society". Or " WE must cone together to stop OUR government."

I especially hate it when people say citizen. Like law abiding citizen. What if I think the law us fucking stupid. What part of using a political designation to identify people with makes any fucking sense. Citizen is simply another word for subject, another way of saying your the govs bitch.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 24, 2013, 08:29:29 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 24, 2013, 08:22:48 PM
To be fair, most of our power comes from coal, not oil, but even then, it just reeks of conspiracy mongering imho.
Coal is still a fossil fuel that emits CO2, which would be used to power e cars.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 24, 2013, 08:47:49 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 24, 2013, 08:29:29 PM
Coal is still a fossil fuel that emits CO2, which would be used to power e cars.
Well, I thought the coal companies were different from oil companies.  Unless they aren't in which case, disregard my previous post.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 24, 2013, 08:50:54 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 24, 2013, 08:27:05 PM
I'm referring to anyone who talks about society like a fucking physical, singular object, and not ma random collection of people who happen to live with in an arbitrarily chosen geographic region of eachother. Like "you have to be a productive member of society". Or " WE must cone together to stop OUR government."

I especially hate it when people say citizen. Like law abiding citizen. What if I think the law us fucking stupid. What part of using a political designation to identify people with makes any fucking sense. Citizen is simply another word for subject, another way of saying your the govs bitch.
Seconded.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 24, 2013, 09:34:48 PM
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151641311416981&id=25781101980&set=a.151685001980.123354.25781101980&source=46&__user=100000247848017

This is kind of funny. Epsecially when you consider that San Antonio has a  ton of military bases. Which nobody ever shuts up down.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 24, 2013, 11:02:04 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 25, 2013, 01:24:08 AM
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Was watching the vsauce vid about names and saw this. Just more examples of UN fail. You have a right to a name because the UN says so. Not because your parents name or because, at a high enough age, you can name or rename yourself. art 8. sec. 2 is freaky as hell. So if you get amnesia, the state can "reestablish your identity? What the fuck does that even mean? It's getting harder for me to watch Vsauce because of random ass shit like this in his videos.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 25, 2013, 05:33:47 AM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 25, 2013, 01:24:08 AM
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Was watching the vsauce vid about names and saw this. Just more examples of UN fail. You have a right to a name because the UN says so. Not because your parents name or because, at a high enough age, you can name or rename yourself. art 8. sec. 2 is freaky as hell. So if you get amnesia, the state can "reestablish your identity? What the fuck does that even mean? It's getting harder for me to watch Vsauce because of random ass shit like this in his videos.

I think it means if you somehow forget your name, the state can assign you one for the purposes of records and prosecution. I.E. that amnesia routine isn't going to keep you out of prison because we'll just call you "Mr. Swamp" and prosecute you anyway.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 25, 2013, 10:47:17 AM
http://www.psmag.com/magazines/pacific-standard-cover-story/joe-henrich-weird-ultimatum-game-shaking-up-psychology-economics-53135/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 25, 2013, 12:50:04 PM
There is no difference between laissez faire capitalism and crony capitalism. It is in the rational self-interest of businesses (including the government) to collude in a laissez faire system.
shchpendrop on the libertarian/atheist first video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 25, 2013, 03:51:06 PM
http://www.globalresearch.ca/28-signs-that-the-west-coast-is-being-absolutely-fried-with-nuclear-radiation-from-fukushima/5355280
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 25, 2013, 04:06:53 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 25, 2013, 03:51:06 PM
http://www.globalresearch.ca/28-signs-that-the-west-coast-is-being-absolutely-fried-with-nuclear-radiation-from-fukushima/5355280

Coal plants throughout the US individually put more radioactive material into the environment in a month or two than Fukushima did all total.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 25, 2013, 04:14:17 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 25, 2013, 04:39:55 PM
You might recall the East Haven police scandal ("I think I'll have tacos!") where police were racially profiling against Hispanic Americans.

Well one of those cops has filed for retirement and is expecting full benefits...at the age of 32.

Source (http://www.wtnh.com/news/new-haven-cty/convicted-officer-wants-retirement-benefits)

QuoteEAST HAVEN, Conn. (WTNH)--- One of the East Haven cops convicted of racially profiling Latinos, has filed for retirement and he says he expects full benefits. And that isn't going over very well with some people in East Haven who will be paying the bill.

An attorney for Officer Dennis Spaulding says he was an upstanding police officer during his seven years on the force.

His wife just gave birth to a baby. Those are some of the reasons they feel he is entitled to his benefits.

Some East Haven residents disagree.

There is a video of police officer Dennis Spaulding. He was one of four officers in East Haven found guilty of violating the civil rights of Latinos.

"I don't agree with the whole situation. I think everyone should be treated equally. I don't agree with racism. I think the whole situation is a little crazy," said Tim Chase, East Haven resident.

The conviction came down Monday. On Wednesday, Spaulding applied for his retirement benefits.

"I don't agree with it, said a man. "I'm sure there other others who have had it happen."

"I think that he should take his punishment, he should definitely not be offered any perks if you weren't doing the job properly," said Chase.

Spaulding has been on leave from the department since 2011. The other officers are also on paid leave before retiring or resigning.

All found guilty in a conspiracy against Latino business owners.

Speaking to News 8 by phone, the Attorney for Officer Spaulding said in part:

"I believe the evidence proved not that there was any racial profiling by Mr. Spaulding, he was simply doing the job he was sworn to do, which is to enforce the law regardless of race, creed, and ethnicity. As far as the retirement issue is concerned...this is money due to him that he earned as an employee of the East Haven Police Department. He is not asking for any money he did not appropriately earn."

Spaulding will be sentenced January 21st. His attorney says they plan to appeal the conviction.

Spaulding isn't the only one collecting money.

The other officers involved, including David Cari, all retired last year.

All of them collected salaries during the investigation and since 2012 have been collecting their pensions.

Also, the East Haven police chief  Leonard Gallo, who was suspended after the investigation launched, received his retirement funds and his annual pension of around $27,000.

I hope the smug fuck doesn't see a dime.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 25, 2013, 05:20:33 PM
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This moron makes it hard to not violate the NAP.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 25, 2013, 05:24:11 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 25, 2013, 05:20:33 PM
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This moron makes it hard to not violate the NAP.
>>ZONATION
Stopped reading/watching as soon as I saw it was from him.  Really, has he said anything that WASN'T a fail?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 25, 2013, 06:30:23 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 25, 2013, 05:24:11 PM
>>ZONATION
Stopped reading/watching as soon as I saw it was from him.  Really, has he said anything that WASN'T a fail?

Not really.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 25, 2013, 07:51:53 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 25, 2013, 05:20:33 PM
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This moron makes it hard to not violate the NAP.
Then violate it. Some people just need their ass kicked.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 25, 2013, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 25, 2013, 07:51:53 PM
Then violate it. Some people just need their ass kicked.

On the whole, that was actually pretty good. What am I supposed to be looking for?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 26, 2013, 10:01:05 AM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/q71/1002020_255587441260013_643943740_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 26, 2013, 10:23:36 AM
Quote from: D on October 26, 2013, 10:01:05 AM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/q71/1002020_255587441260013_643943740_n.jpg)
I was about to ask if that was satirical.  Then I saw the DSA logo...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 26, 2013, 05:23:00 PM
Quote from: Michael ShermerGads, and I thought dealing with animal rights issues was hard. I have a solution! Pace P.J. O'Rourke, let's eat the rich! Solves 2 problems

So much for Shermer being a libertarian.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on October 26, 2013, 05:40:22 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=664017826964610&set=a.560766107289783.1073741826.560763173956743&type=1&comment_id=100126416&offset=0&total_comments=48&ref=notif&notif_t=photo_reply

i really wish there was a machine that could beam economics into peoples heads.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 26, 2013, 06:36:35 PM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/1383243_10151753760101275_1508661705_n.jpg)

They didn't vote for rainbows and sunshine either the bastards!

Seriously, this is silly even for a page like Being Liberal.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 27, 2013, 07:33:49 AM
Quote from: D on October 26, 2013, 06:36:35 PM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/1383243_10151753760101275_1508661705_n.jpg)

They didn't vote for rainbows and sunshine either the bastards!

Seriously, this is silly even for a page like Being Liberal.
And they wonder why we call them gullible infants and cultists...good lord, how childish can you get?  Just pass a law and the problem will go away? Really guys?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 27, 2013, 09:24:35 AM
Quotethe Japanese killed 12.5 million Chinese people. I would hardly call that innocent.

Atrocious spelling and grammar are the signs of an ignorant mind, that's why.

Also, you believe that effectively no government is good? Now, how about Somalia? Or the Congo? The money you pay to welfare is so that the normally complacent poor won't turn criminal. It has nothing to do with "the goodness of human nature."

By the way, what are your feelings on violent militant Islamists? I advocate killing them
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 27, 2013, 10:15:36 AM
Quote from: tnu on October 27, 2013, 09:24:35 AM


Somalia and the Congo are supposed to be evidence of governments being good?  I recall the former government of Somalia trying to murder the people who wanted to tell the world Somalia was having a disaster.  I recall the government of the Congo killing people indiscriminately for no readily apparent reason.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 27, 2013, 10:37:40 AM
Quote from: tnu on October 27, 2013, 09:24:35 AM

The Congo is 167 out of 177 on the Index of Economic Freedom:  http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking and is therefore about as far from statelessness as possible.
While Somalia has been debunked so many times just bringing it up is even worse than Godwin's Law:  http://www.peterleeson.com/better_off_stateless.pdf
He really couldn't have picked worse examples if he tried.  Well, unless he tried to argue North Korea and Cuba were stateless.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 27, 2013, 10:39:12 AM
Socialist Healthcare > Capitalist Healthcare (http://boards.420chan.org/pol/res/305938.php)

The whole thread is garbage, but OP's image is justified for it's own Fail Quote.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/t6ayhz.jpg)

All of 420chan's /pol/ is pretty fail though. You're guaranteed at least some garbage on a daily if not hourly basis.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 27, 2013, 10:40:12 AM
Quote from: D on October 27, 2013, 10:39:12 AM
Socialist Healthcare > Capitalist Healthcare (http://boards.420chan.org/pol/res/305938.php)

The whole thread is garbage, but OP's image is justified for it's own Fail Quote.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/t6ayhz.jpg)

All of 420chan's /pol/ is pretty fail though. You're guaranteed at least some garbage on a daily if not hourly basis.

@comic's OP:  Because we don't have a free market in healthcare.  Our government spends more on it than most UHC countries do on theirs and because their holy government gladly corporatized the insurance market among many other things, you massive tool!
And the WHO ranking has been debunked so many times by Shane alone it's pathetic that anyone still takes that shit seriously!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 27, 2013, 10:45:42 AM
And from the same thread D linked to: "Corporatism is true capitalism."
MY BRAIN! IT HURTS!
(http://theminorityreport.co/stixblog/files/2013/07/stupid_it_burns.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 27, 2013, 03:05:13 PM
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1381379_615950048446548_2099492310_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 27, 2013, 06:37:10 PM
(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1383243_10151753760101275_1508661705_n.jpg)

Really, Being Liberal?!?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 27, 2013, 08:33:53 PM
QuoteAruba, Qatar, Kuwait, Hong Kong, Switzerland, ... the list goes on

just gets better. This guy is listing these countries as examples of governmetns that stayed small and never overstepped their boundries.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 28, 2013, 01:34:11 AM
Quote from: tnu on October 27, 2013, 08:33:53 PM
just gets better. This guy is listing these countries as examples of governmetns that stayed small and never overstepped their boundries.

As opposed to? (context please)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 28, 2013, 01:37:19 AM
Quote from: tnu on October 27, 2013, 08:33:53 PM
just gets better. This guy is listing these countries as examples of governmetns that stayed small and never overstepped their boundries.
Maybe ask him to support these claims? The claim that their governments didn't go apeshit is an extraordinary claim.  That means it requires extraordinary evidence, last I checked.  All he's done is throw out bald assertions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 28, 2013, 02:00:48 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 28, 2013, 01:37:19 AM
Maybe ask him to support these claims? The claim that their governments didn't go apeshit is an extraordinary claim.  That means it requires extraordinary evidence, last I checked.  All he's done is throw out bald assertions.

Yeah, that was kinda what I was asking. Apeshit compared to what? WHO made these claims?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 28, 2013, 09:46:25 AM
https://www.google.com/search?q=tax+miles&safe=off&client=safari&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ei=tWRuUprnHqi4yAH5mIDoAQ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAA&biw=320&bih=460

The latest tax scheme.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 28, 2013, 10:50:15 AM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 28, 2013, 10:40:37 AM
(https://fbcdn-photos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/s720x720/1229970_534767999911158_1613777930_n.jpg)
The statists spewing this crap have never tried to actually run a business, I take it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 28, 2013, 12:03:52 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 28, 2013, 10:50:15 AM
The statists spewing this crap have never tried to actually run a business, I take it.
My grandma like it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 28, 2013, 12:22:17 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 28, 2013, 09:46:25 AM
https://www.google.com/search?q=tax+miles&safe=off&client=safari&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ei=tWRuUprnHqi4yAH5mIDoAQ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAA&biw=320&bih=460

The latest tax scheme.

They've been trying to get that passed in several states over the last 10 years or so. They haven't had any luck so far.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 28, 2013, 12:22:57 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 28, 2013, 10:50:15 AM
The statists spewing this crap have never tried to actually run a business, I take it.

Or learned anything at all about economics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 28, 2013, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: tnu on October 27, 2013, 08:33:53 PM
just gets better. This guy is listing these countries as examples of governmetns that stayed small and never overstepped their boundries.


Qatar's government is not one I'd describe as one that never overstepped itself; same for Kuwait.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 28, 2013, 03:22:40 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 28, 2013, 12:22:17 PM
They've been trying to get that passed in several states over the last 10 years or so. They haven't had any luck so far.
It passed in Oregon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 28, 2013, 04:30:56 PM
My mom just texted me a picture saying Libertarianism: The belief that you owe no debt to a society that sustains you.
Which is another way of saying you're everyone else's slave.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 29, 2013, 01:44:11 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on October 28, 2013, 04:30:56 PM
My mom just texted me a picture saying Libertarianism: The belief that you owe no debt to a society that sustains you.
Which is another way of saying you're everyone else's slave.
There is no "society" only individuals.

Speaking of epic fails:  "It was kind of like how a fire department would work under the Libertarians." (preceeded by a pic of firefighters from that infamous incident letting a house burn down) via #4 on this list:  http://www.cracked.com/article_16633_the-6-most-horrifying-ways-anyone-ever-got-rich.html
They know that that pic was of GOVERNMENT fire fighters, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on October 29, 2013, 07:03:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/GAUePAg.jpg)

Oi vey!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 29, 2013, 07:24:11 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on October 29, 2013, 07:03:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/GAUePAg.jpg)

Oi vey!

I want to sya this is parody because the middle statements are pretty much accurate so he should know what he's talking about.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 29, 2013, 08:16:37 PM
Quote from: tnu on October 29, 2013, 07:24:11 PM
I want to sya this is parody because the middle statements are pretty much accurate so he should know what he's talking about.
I hope it is a parody.  If not, it means the person admits to repeating long refuted lies.  Just like their creationist cousins.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 29, 2013, 09:00:32 PM
[yt]fet5OGFDf8w[/yt]

The comments of this video.  Holy shit, too many creatards-Hal Gailey and ThingWhatKicks especially.  All their comments belong here.

Sadly, so do Tom Woods' comments.  The following from a thread starting from this comment:

"Does anyone know why Mr. Woods has changed the Rush lyrics? The original says, "no his mind is not for rent, to any god or government". By removing the word god from the lyrics. Mr. Woods is thus going out of his way to directly state that his mind is indeed for rent to whatever he calls god. How is his mind to be rented to new information from his god or about his god? Is his mind therefore for rent to the Pope for all practical purposes, or does his god just speak to him directly?"--FutureJim

"Meanwhile, you are getting a free show five times a week. "Thank you" would have sufficed."
Um, not like he's the only one presenting this stuff from on-high.  Get off your high-horse, Tom.

"When Schiff's producer presented me with this intro, I said some hypersensitive listener is going to lecture me about this. He said no one would do so; this would be petty and ridiculous, especially since this is a political show and largely about government. I win.
And yes, I do believe in God, and no, I am neither stupid nor weak for doing so. I actually understand the Thomistic tradition, unlike the hapless Richard Dawkins, who is admired by libertarians for reasons I cannot begin to fathom."
Probably because they're just as into biology and science as WE are.  I will admit Dawkins says some dumb things ('science proves gun control!') but it sure doesn't take away from his ripping theism a new one!

"Look at the 'Likes' section of 65% of young libertarians. He is there. He pontificates on things he knows nothing about. He goes on and on about how Aquinas gives us no reason to think the God of his proofs would have the attributes of traditional Western theism: omniscience, omnipotence, oneness, goodness, etc.

I hope you see the absurdity of that statement.

I genuinely appreciate your kind words and support."
Bald assertions.  Dawkins isn't Matt Dillahunty, but he's still good.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 29, 2013, 09:19:46 PM
I'm also going to have to include this guy's username as a fail:
https://www.youtube.com/user/slaves4christ
I thought it was just some random Poe.  Sadly, from the comments and videos it seems legit.  Holy shit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on October 29, 2013, 09:45:02 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 29, 2013, 01:44:11 PM
There is no "society" only individuals.

Speaking of epic fails:  "It was kind of like how a fire department would work under the Libertarians." (preceeded by a pic of firefighters from that infamous incident letting a house burn down) via #4 on this list:  http://www.cracked.com/article_16633_the-6-most-horrifying-ways-anyone-ever-got-rich.html
They know that that pic was of GOVERNMENT fire fighters, right?
Actually, society is simply a group off people who happen live in some usually unspecified area. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 30, 2013, 01:35:07 PM
[yt]Lt35BYEOlEw[/yt]
I could list out the fail here, but why ruin the fun of watching it for yourself?
Warning: do NOT listen/watch this with headphones on.  My poor ears. T_T
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on October 30, 2013, 02:32:35 PM
[yt]xNCSlDF7HZU[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 31, 2013, 11:15:31 PM
[yt]XMS5aPR9rJo[/yt]
Fail for vegan-tard commentary.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 01, 2013, 04:36:09 PM
WARNING: The following fail contains excuse making for Obama's broken promise about keeping your health insurance.

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2lvjnfc.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 01, 2013, 05:00:18 PM
And to add to D's post: http://reason.com/blog/2013/10/31/obama-says-youre-too-stupid-to-know-what
The fail is from Obama/White House/etc, not from Reason.  Yes, Obama actually said shit like that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 01, 2013, 08:41:42 PM
[yt]N4QFsKevTXs[/yt]
And the comments the OP leaves like this one:  "No they would be an agnostic. There are not two categories which everything falls into. They would not make a claim at all. Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist. Agnosticism is the absence of belief."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on November 01, 2013, 10:26:44 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/s720x720/1378571_667546363278423_1151302038_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 01, 2013, 10:43:03 PM
Quote from: tnu on November 01, 2013, 10:26:44 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/s720x720/1378571_667546363278423_1151302038_n.jpg)
Good grief...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on November 02, 2013, 04:07:58 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on November 01, 2013, 08:41:42 PM
[yt]N4QFsKevTXs[/yt]
And the comments the OP leaves like this one:  "No they would be an agnostic. There are not two categories which everything falls into. They would not make a claim at all. Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist. Agnosticism is the absence of belief."

My head is spinning. I don't even know what to call the logical fallacies in there. I'm guessing some quote mining, and some form of non sequitor.  Also, I'd have to know where he gets "mild paranoid delusion is actually more beneficial for survival than an accurate assessment of the environment" from. From my experience, in an emergency situation, you want the guy that can keep a level head and make an accurate assessment of said situation; not the one that's in a panic and blowing things out of proportion. Oh, yeah, and it helps a great deal if level-headed-calm guy has some sort of training dealing with situations similar to the one you're in.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 02, 2013, 11:46:47 AM
[yt]UPQLLK0nIRA[/yt]

Every single comment left by HarryFuckedBabyTesco on the above video without exception.  Damn, gotta love how venom-filled the irrationality of statists can be.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 02, 2013, 01:26:26 PM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/s720x720/217945_459358424089312_1426646120_n.jpg)

http://www.cosmolearning.com/courses/the-catholic-church-builder-of-civilization-487/video-lectures/
All of them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 02, 2013, 03:03:56 PM
(http://i0.wp.com/blog.skepticallibertarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Tom-Woods1.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 02, 2013, 03:29:15 PM
http://www.naturalnews.com/042613_Theory_of_Evolution_contradictions_scientific_thinking.html
As I told D, I know he made a BBE nomination thread for this, but it's not enough.  It belongs here too.  Especially this shitstain:

"And don't even get me started on the rise of killer robots and artificial intelligence. That's another case where the arrogance and delusional thinking of modern-day science may quite literally result in the apocalyptic, permanent destruction of humankind."--last paragraph of the above link
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on November 02, 2013, 11:46:37 PM
There was a discussion about wether pathfinder paladins could be anarchist and i gave my two cents about this at the very end of the thread

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kia5&page=3?The-Paladin-Anarchist#127

a bit of fail from pugwampi

QuoteFirst I'll dust off the old political science class stuff and say there is no such thing as an anarcho-capitalist. The term is an oxymoron. An anarchist is opposed to all hierarchy. That means government, religion, and capitalist hierarchy. I know the term gets thrown around a lot these days, but if you are calling yourself an anarcho-capitalist please stop. You are a libertarian not an anarchist.

As far as the much more important gaming stuff goes... Lawful=Order. There's no judgement call to make there. I've actually enjoyed the way Paizo has highlighted that concept with things like the Hellkights. They only care about order and don't care if it is good evil or neither. Awesome concept.

An anarchist character could be CG, CN, or CE. So no paladins for you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on November 03, 2013, 02:41:36 PM
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ThunderF00t Comments

QuoteI've seen this extendedly from both sides.
I love the UK, where guns are almost non-existent and how marvelously safer that makes you feel.
I also kinda like america, with the far larger onus on being responsible for your own safety.
Both have their appeal, but I gotta agree with concordance here, gotta draw the line somewhere. Assault guns designed for killing large groups of people and grenades seem pretty hard to justify.

My Reply

QuoteYou do realize before gun control your crime rate was lower right? The homicide rate in the United Kingdom during the 60s up 70s was around 0.6 to 0.8. Then In 1988 the UK passed the Firearms act of 1988, which outlawed semi automatic centerfire rifle after the Hungerford Shooting in 1987. By 1996 the year of the Dunblane shooting the homicide was 1.3 which is an increase. And after the 1997 handgun ban after Dunblane the homicide went up to as high as 2.0 only to drop to 1.2 in recent times

His Response to me

Quotenot quite sure where you're going with this? Banning guns increases gun crime? Well in that case the US should be bottom of the list right? but its not, its about 50x higher in the US than in the UK
.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 03, 2013, 03:12:43 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on November 03, 2013, 02:41:36 PM
[yt]LfEn3RLm_os&lc=YXkyjhzzJQN-xwJHH2qpFOkDG-E3YjXeUcZJBZlsRt4[/yt]

ThunderF00t Comments

My Reply

His Response to me
.
*EDIT*
Okay, because the image doesn't want to display, I'll have to say what it showed.
Some dude: "How's that total civilian gun ban workin' out for you, England?"
English Bloke: "Oh, just great! We now have more violent crime per capita than the USA.  Invasions of occupied homes are very popular!"
Scottish dude: "I'm now the most violent western nation!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 04, 2013, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on November 03, 2013, 02:41:36 PM
[yt]LfEn3RLm_os&lc=YXkyjhzzJQN-xwJHH2qpFOkDG-E3YjXeUcZJBZlsRt4[/yt]

ThunderF00t Comments

My Reply

His Response to me
.

A man of science like Thunderf00t just taking one factor and disregarding all others?  Truly shameful.  He should know better than that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on November 04, 2013, 02:00:01 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on November 04, 2013, 12:17:23 PM
A man of science like Thunderf00t just taking one factor and disregarding all others?  Truly shameful.  He should know better than that.

Gun control advocates seem like bad economists.

As they say a good economist looks at the seen and the unseen, a bad economist looks at only the seen.

Thunderf00t is looking at only the seen (decreasing gun crime) and ignoring the unseen (Overall Homicide & Other Crimes going up)

Not economics, but pretty good analogy i guess.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 04, 2013, 03:35:35 PM
Just wow. (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showpost.php?p=1484623&postcount=34)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/282wrq.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 04, 2013, 11:39:50 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1392772_10152033771163674_471458483_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on November 05, 2013, 01:18:32 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on November 04, 2013, 11:39:50 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1392772_10152033771163674_471458483_n.jpg)

And?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 05, 2013, 10:51:21 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on November 05, 2013, 01:18:32 AM
And?

don't you see, we are all getting poisoned!!! Monsanto wants to screw with our heads so Government can control us!!! HURRR DURRR!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on November 05, 2013, 01:30:10 PM
(http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r672/Jonathan_Loesche/fail_zps753bcd1a.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on November 05, 2013, 05:00:41 PM
Study: White racism linked with opposition to gun control (http://www.salon.com/2013/11/05/study_white_racism_linked_with_opposition_to_gun_control_partner/)

Oh look: it's our old friend the race card rearing it's ugly head again and poisioning the well!

Fortunatley, one reasonable commentor left this comment debunking the whole mess:
QuoteLet's look at O'Brien's web page–His list of published papers does not include the one cited in this article. The 'paper' itself was not published in an academic journal, etc; but rather on PLOS|One, which appears to be a 'pay for publication' website. It says it is 'peer reviewed;' however, I would bet the 'peer' reviewing the paper is a computer. [My subjective impression.] If reviewed by humans the humans are not identified. (This is a huge problem when citing 'peer reviewed' studies such as this. Academic publications, at least, have an identifiable Editorial Board. This one has none.)

The American National Election Survey is pretty difficult to determine what questions they ask and for what purpose, but neither this, nor their contribution to it, is mentioned on their website. Most of the 'research' on the site was produced prior to 2000. That's 13 years old, folks. How they determine the cohort for the studies are not easily determined. However they claim the data was asked during federal election years, (I assume of voters.), which skews the sample and excludes, generally, blacks, hispanics, the elderly and others not in the middle to upper classes–simply because they are less likely to vote.

The Symbolic Racism Scale is a joke, it is entirely based on self-reporting of subjective "feelings." The use for which information gathered, entirely subjectively, is not a component or consideration of the research undertaken.

The SRS sample, how it was obtained and how it was used, is incredibly  biased. Before they even started, they had 52-66% who were known supportors of 2nd amendment rights. The American National Election Survey data was obtained after the fact and there is no identification of the how the sample was chosen. The purpose of this 'paper' seems, obviously, to portray a behavior salon dislikes as being associated with another behavior that is generally seen as negative by society.

O'Brien declaratively stated the study is CORRELATION, NOT causation. So, basically, someone hired his research assets to keep looking for data that would support a foregone conclusion–firearms are bad and WHITE racism is the reason. So, all you guys/gals out there who own firearms are RACISTS; which is another reason to hate you.

Given enough time to scrounge around in piles of inapplicable data, money and access to staff, I could find a correlation between 'anti-gunners' and 'football hooliganism.'

Anyone want to speculate why even the author won't list this 'study' on his own website?

The headline is incorrect and inflammatory. Created to generate maximum dysphemistic effect.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 06, 2013, 01:47:07 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on November 05, 2013, 05:00:41 PM
Study: White racism linked with opposition to gun control (http://www.salon.com/2013/11/05/study_white_racism_linked_with_opposition_to_gun_control_partner/)

Oh look: it's our old friend the race card rearing it's ugly head again and poisioning the well!

Fortunatley, one reasonable commentor left this comment debunking the whole mess:

whoever it was who posted the reply wins the internets for today!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on November 06, 2013, 11:16:23 AM
QuoteA review of medical records, police reports and a federal lawsuit show deputies with the Hidalgo County Sheriff's Office, police officers with the City of Deming and medical professionals at the Gila Regional Medical Center made some questionable decisions.

The incident began January 2, 2013 after David Eckert finished shopping at the Wal-Mart in Deming. According to a federal lawsuit, Eckert didn't make a complete stop at a stop sign coming out of the parking lot and was immediately stopped by law enforcement.

Eckert's attorney, Shannon Kennedy, said in an interview with KOB that after law enforcement asked him to step out of the vehicle, he appeared to be clenching his buttocks. Law enforcement thought that was probable cause to suspect that Eckert was hiding narcotics in his anal cavity. While officers detained Eckert, they secured a search warrant from a judge that allowed for an anal cavity search.

The lawsuit claims that Deming Police tried taking Eckert to an emergency room in Deming, but a doctor there refused to perform the anal cavity search citing it was "unethical."

But physicians at the Gila Regional Medical Center in Silver City agreed to perform the procedure and a few hours later, Eckert was admitted.

What Happened

While there, Eckert was subjected to repeated and humiliating forced medical procedures. A review of Eckert's medical records, which he released to KOB, and details in the lawsuit show the following happened:

1. Eckert's abdominal area was x-rayed; no narcotics were found.

2. Doctors then performed an exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.

3. Doctors performed a second exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.

4. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.

5. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a second time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.

6. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a third time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.

7. Doctors then x-rayed Eckert again; no narcotics were found.

8. Doctors prepared Eckert for surgery, sedated him, and then performed a colonoscopy where a scope with a camera was inserted into Eckert's anus, rectum, colon, and large intestines. No narcotics were found.

Throughout this ordeal, Eckert protested and never gave doctors at the Gila Regional Medical Center consent to perform any of these medical procedures.

"If the officers in Hidalgo County and the City of Deming are seeking warrants for anal cavity searches based on how they're standing and the warrant allows doctors at the Gila Hospital of Horrors to go in and do enemas and colonoscopies without consent, then anyone can be seized and that's why the public needs to know about this," Kennedy said.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3209305.shtml?cat=500#.UnprOnBb4cN (http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3209305.shtml?cat=500#.UnprOnBb4cN)

Wow just wow
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on November 06, 2013, 11:44:15 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on November 05, 2013, 05:00:41 PM
Study: White racism linked with opposition to gun control (http://www.salon.com/2013/11/05/study_white_racism_linked_with_opposition_to_gun_control_partner/)

Oh look: it's our old friend the race card rearing it's ugly head again and poisioning the well!

Fortunatley, one reasonable commentor left this comment debunking the whole mess:
@Xanthro Apologist.  You missed the point of the article.  You, nemo, and others are still in white denial regarding true reasons for not supporting gun control.  You insist on trotting out the white myth that because whites commit less gun crimes all 'yall need guns to protect your asses from Black gun owners.  You will take any discussion like this and twist it until it conforms with your mindset.  Continue on.
Comment from article. Now excuse me while I go jack off to zimmerman.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on November 06, 2013, 12:44:08 PM
Party City.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 06, 2013, 01:36:01 PM
http://www.vice.com/read/crackedcom-is-full-of-lies
Not sure if bogus.  Until shown otherwise, this goes here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 06, 2013, 01:55:25 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on November 06, 2013, 01:36:01 PM
http://www.vice.com/read/crackedcom-is-full-of-lies
Not sure if bogus.  Until shown otherwise, this goes here.

Cracked has a lot of writers. While some of them seem to do their research, others just seem to Make Stuff Up.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 06, 2013, 03:26:02 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on November 06, 2013, 01:36:01 PM
http://www.vice.com/read/crackedcom-is-full-of-lies
Not sure if bogus.  Until shown otherwise, this goes here.

to expand on what Shane said: the article itself is not bogus in terms of its facts regarding the accuracy of the article in question (the reality show ones). However, it does not mean all cracked articles are that way (and Wong's hardly what I call the wisest writer anyways: I'm sure some of you noticed how he is disproportionally represented in the failquotes....)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on November 06, 2013, 07:34:27 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on November 06, 2013, 03:26:02 PM
However, it does not mean all cracked articles are that way (and Wong's hardly what I call the wisest writer anyways: I'm sure some of you noticed how he is disproportionally represented in the failquotes....)

That can be said of just about any publication.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on November 06, 2013, 10:20:05 PM
Just to prove that the gun/racism study is even more bunk, one comment (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/QuietProfessional/gun-ownership-racism_n_4220727_297649191.html) on the Huffington Post story reveals that the study actually DOES NOT link racism with gun ownership:

Quote"Buried in the text of the study is an admission that there is, in fact, no correlation between "implicit racism" and what the study calls "gun outcomes".

*** "Contrary to research showing associations between implicit racism and policy decision making [23], we did not find implicit racism to be significantly related to gun related outcomes after accounting for other variables. Similarly, the small correlations between the stereotype that most blacks being violent and gun outcomes were not significant after accounting for all other variables." ***

The only way the study's authors were able to produce a correlation between "racism" and "gun outcomes" was to make up an entirely new concept, namely, what they call "symbolic racism". In other words, after they failed to find evidence of actual racism, they presumed their test subjects to be guilty of "symbolic racism" for giving politically incorrect responses to such statements as ""Generations of slavery and discrimination have created conditions that make it difficult for blacks to work their way out of the lower class.""
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on November 07, 2013, 02:50:11 PM
[yt]hoSxYkH0F_A[/yt]

I am deeply saddened when some of my fav atheist youtubers just doesn't apply the same amount of skepticism when they talk about politics

also this quote from terrypussypower posted made me want to cringe

Quote"Your own money" eh. That's an interesting concept. For cavemen.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on November 07, 2013, 03:15:17 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on November 07, 2013, 02:50:11 PM
[yt]hoSxYkH0F_A[/yt]

I am deeply saddened when some of my fav atheist youtubers just doesn't apply the same amount of skepticism when they talk about politics

also this quote from terrypussypower posted made me want to cringe
Way did it make you want to cringe? He's obviously just insecure about being a caveman.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/11/05/news/economy/unpaid-work/index.html?iid=HP_River
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on November 08, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
https://plus.google.com/u/0/wm/4/up/mobile?gpsrc=gpfw0&partnerid=gpfw0&parent=https://apis.google.com&proxy=I2_1383919219050
Google can go fuck themselves.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 08, 2013, 11:13:38 AM
Quote from: nilecroc on November 08, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
https://plus.google.com/u/0/wm/4/up/mobile?gpsrc=gpfw0&partnerid=gpfw0&parent=https://apis.google.com&proxy=I2_1383919219050
Google can go fuck themselves.

Link's not working for me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on November 08, 2013, 12:39:39 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on November 08, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
https://plus.google.com/u/0/wm/4/up/mobile?gpsrc=gpfw0&partnerid=gpfw0&parent=https://apis.google.com&proxy=I2_1383919219050
Google can go fuck themselves.

This google plus thing is cumbersome
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on November 08, 2013, 04:03:45 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 08, 2013, 11:13:38 AM
Link's not working for me.
They wanted to know my location in order for me to comment using mobile.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 08, 2013, 04:14:06 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on November 08, 2013, 04:03:45 PM
They wanted to know my location in order for me to comment using mobile.

Google ALWAYS wants to know your location...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on November 08, 2013, 11:27:13 PM
Been getting in a bit of a spit with a bloke on facebook over how he thinks its okay to just walk onto someone property, even if the owner doesn't want the person on his property (for example, A home-owner probably wouldn't accept a burgler into his home)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on November 09, 2013, 12:18:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 08, 2013, 04:14:06 PM
Google ALWAYS wants to know your location...
And it pisses me off.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on November 09, 2013, 03:13:52 PM
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151792324011275&id=177486166274&set=a.180479986274.135777.177486166274&source=48&__user=100000981919728

This is worse than clop
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 10, 2013, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on November 09, 2013, 03:13:52 PM
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151792324011275&id=177486166274&set=a.180479986274.135777.177486166274&source=48&__user=100000981919728

This is worse than clop
You ain't kidding. >_<
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 10, 2013, 12:08:36 PM
http://www.salon.com/2013/11/08/libertarians_are_very_confused_about_capitalism/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 10, 2013, 07:00:33 PM
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q71/1461790_762916333721715_907677051_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 11, 2013, 06:37:10 AM
Quote from: D on November 10, 2013, 07:00:33 PM
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q71/1461790_762916333721715_907677051_n.jpg)

You know, that kind of reminds me of how liberals will complain that "liberal" is being used as a pejorative. But wait a minute, you ARE a liberal! So if you think that's a pejorative, then what does that say about how you REALLY feel about your bogosity?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on November 12, 2013, 03:50:18 AM
[yt]UPQLLK0nIRA&lc=LedIrsLdXu9vy3SYTgKTLuaNIbr9dD13L297WYIJlS0[/yt]

EnglishGodsofdamofoPLANETnigga!

Check all of his responses to me this idiots on a role here.

Heres my one of my favorite ones.

Quoteyou don't know how to spell "weigh" and you use "your" instead of "you're" - I'd say that proves your stupidity. "Of course there will be more deaths by guns where there are more guns" LMAO! Well done for finally admitting that "more guns less crime" is a retarded crock of right-wing shit!

You want to know why he took it out of context, and QUOTE MINED ME.

Here is what I originally said.

QuoteSays the person who cherry picks only gun crime and ignore every other form of crime? Besides most of my Stats are from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Bureau of Justice Statistics not pro gun websites. 

I didn't say it went down cause of the increase, I said it went down DESPITE the increase. Learn the difference you brain dead hoo-hah.

Which is half of what it was two decades ago. Of course there will be more deaths by guns where there are more guns. This is like saying we have more death by medical overdose where prescription drugs are more readily available, or that there are more deaths by mallets where there are more mallets. It's a dumb argument!

I told you before that the United Kingdoms homicide rate was lower. I'm also talking about the overall rate not only guns. You see, unlike you I actually look at everything to see if the policy was a success or contributed anything positive to societal health. Gun control in the UK was obviously not a success because the overall homicide and overall crime INCREASED. Homicide before gun control was as low as 0.6. After gun control it went as high as 2.0. It has dropped to 1.2 today but it's still higher than it was PRIOR to gun control. Do you honestly think this is a success? Cause if you do, you are a true dumb-ass. 

And you can't stab someone with a knife- THAT is also causation.

It is also hypocritical to want the government to have weapons, even though 1) They are made up of fallible mortals like everyone else. 2) They are not the most responsible when it comes to their usage, and 3) When they are the most murderous group of people in all of history.

Besides even if you tried to ban guns. It won't do any good if you can make guns in 3rd world machine shops. People not only build crude zip guns but they also make replicas of existing firearms.

And this dim-wit never responded to any of my other points. I now notice a pattern, this dimwit will either 1. call you a "right wing" idiot, 2. Point to our gun crime and not look at any other crime. 3. Emotional appeals.

It's funny to watch. LOL
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on November 12, 2013, 11:10:40 AM
Not to mention he's one of those people who recourse to correcting spelling instead of arguing the issue. (Incorrectly, in this case, because the words he accused you of not being able to spell do not appear in the statement.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on November 12, 2013, 11:16:14 AM
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/10/1254596/-Another-Health-Insurer-Caught-Falsely-Cancelling-Thousands-of-Health-Plans?detail=facebook
Not sure about the article, but the comments are retarded.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 12, 2013, 12:58:06 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on November 12, 2013, 11:16:14 AM
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/10/1254596/-Another-Health-Insurer-Caught-Falsely-Cancelling-Thousands-of-Health-Plans?detail=facebook
Not sure about the article, but the comments are retarded.

So, let me get this straight: they deceived people by not informing them that any change to their health care plan would cause it to lose its grandfather status under Obamacare.

Remind you of anyone?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on November 12, 2013, 01:19:34 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on November 12, 2013, 11:10:40 AM
Not to mention he's one of those people who recourse to correcting spelling instead of arguing the issue. (Incorrectly, in this case, because the words he accused you of not being able to spell do not appear in the statement.)

yep. He's the one not answering my questions and I'm the uneducated one?

Oh here's another one

I commented

QuoteBecause you took it out of context. And you ignored the rest of what I said.

Yes more GUN violence, NOT the overall rate of violence.

I want to do little thought experiment with you. Here's a situation I want to ask you.

You want to visit a country, where would you choose? Country A or Country B. 

A. This country has lenient gun laws compared to country B. As result their gun homicide rate is higher compared to country B. At a rate 1.8/100000 but their overall homicide is 2.2/100000. Chances of you getting mugged 0.5/100000, Assaulted at a rate of 0.2/100000.

B. This country has strict laws and the gun homicide rate just fractions of the first one, only a measly 0.3/100000 but their overall homicide rate is 3.2/100000. Chances of you getting mugged is 0.9/1000000 and getting assaulted is 1.0/100000

Which one of these would you say is safe? I personally would pick A.

According to you, you would pick B, which is clearly less safe.

He/she/it responses with.

Quotethe homicide rate in the US is 4 times higher than the UK according to UN figures so Christ knows where you pulled those bullshit statistics from. I would choose the country where you can send your kids to school without worrying about the place being shot to shit and then a load of insane gibbering right-wing mongs inventing retarded sick conspiracy theories about how the whole thing was staged so the state could take their precious weapons all the time mocking your grief and desecrating the memory of your dead kids. You yank gun-freaks are retarded cowardly lying scum.

So this idiot is implying he would choose B which by all metrics is not a safe country compared to A.

Here is my response to this train wreck of a comment.

QuoteThose were completely made up countries I created for the question. I didn't even say they were real. It was a simple A or B question.

So you would chose B huh? Wow you really  are an idiot.

OK then, try to find and count the numbers of mass shooting on the scale of columbine where there were lots of guns, or allowed concealed weapons like gun shows or shooting ranges, then compare them to the number of mass shootings in places like schools, where guns were not allowed on the premise. 

You do realize there are places in Europe with less restrictive gun laws than the UK and have lower homicide rates, right?

The UKs rate is 1.2/100000

Heres a few stats from the UN that you conveniently ignored.

Sweden 1.0/100000

Norway 0.6/100000

Iceland 0.3/100000

Switzerland 0.7/100000

These countries are not as lenient in their gun laws as the US but they are certainly a lot more lenient than the UK, that's for certain.

Cherry picking now? Oh not a very good sign my friend.

I would chose these places over the UK in terms of safety any day.

When did I say that I believe in conspiracy theories of mass shootings being staged?
And what about the children killed by Obama's drone strikes? You don't seem to care about them very much!

At least we have the sensibility not to use children for political gains and vote grabs like many of you gun control advocates do. Your the cowardly scum here.

Is calling people "right wing" the best insult you have? I swear your like a broken record.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on November 12, 2013, 02:29:06 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 12, 2013, 12:58:06 PM
So, let me get this straight: they deceived people by not informing them that any change to their health care plan would cause it to lose its grandfather status under Obamacare.

Remind you of anyone?
I didn't see that in the article since it's so fucking horribly written. The guy writing won't just fucking relay information without his fucking narration.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 12, 2013, 02:51:10 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on November 12, 2013, 02:29:06 PM
I didn't see that in the article since it's so fucking horribly written. The guy writing won't just fucking relay information without his fucking narration.

Yeah, reminds me of reading Atlas Shrugged...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on November 12, 2013, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 12, 2013, 02:51:10 PM
Yeah, reminds me of reading Atlas Shrugged...
I tried reading it but the first paragraph alone was so dull.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 12, 2013, 04:05:28 PM
So this is a thing....

(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q71/s720x720/1454578_689948274356318_504492710_n.jpg)

In fact the site it originated from (http://doyougotinsurance.com/index.php?id=17) makes me want to take a shower.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 12, 2013, 04:49:19 PM
Quote from: D on November 12, 2013, 04:05:28 PM
So this is a thing....

(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q71/s720x720/1454578_689948274356318_504492710_n.jpg)

In fact the site it originated from (http://doyougotinsurance.com/index.php?id=17) makes me want to take a shower.

That HAS to be a parody!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 12, 2013, 05:25:38 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 12, 2013, 04:49:19 PM
That HAS to be a parody!

I looked at who started this in the about section. No, this is not.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 12, 2013, 06:03:13 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 12, 2013, 04:49:19 PM
That HAS to be a parody!

I wish it was.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on November 13, 2013, 02:35:54 PM
Quote from: D on November 12, 2013, 06:03:13 PM
I wish it was.

You can get a big box of condoms for 20 bucks. why does insurance need to cover that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 13, 2013, 04:22:58 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on November 13, 2013, 02:35:54 PM
You can get a big box of condoms for 20 bucks. why does insurance need to cover that?

Because fuck spending money yourself for things that's why.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on November 13, 2013, 05:20:50 PM
Quote from: D on November 13, 2013, 04:22:58 PM
Because fuck spending money yourself for things that's why.

oh yeah
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 14, 2013, 07:13:19 AM
(http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-JtFZMWv/0/950x10000/i-JtFZMWv-950x10000.jpg)

While it's true that Black Friday can be very crazy, saying that people who want to take advantage of those deals are "monsters" is all kinds of ludicrous to me.

Usually people complain about it because of the people who have to work through that chaos, but hey that's the shit you signed up for when you took the job.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 15, 2013, 11:17:32 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-responses-to-sexism-that-just-make-everything-worse/
Fair warning, I haven't read this article, but given that it's from the same guy who made that bit saying that "I hate feminists = I hate women", I suspect the fail is strong in this one too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 17, 2013, 05:34:12 PM
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/1451443_521764411252405_1415324305_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 18, 2013, 12:35:55 AM
 Well! This is a thing!
And what the fuck?

http://www.newslo.com/ted-cruzs-father-suggests-placing-atheists-in-camps/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 18, 2013, 12:56:24 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on November 18, 2013, 12:35:55 AM
Well! This is a thing!
And what the fuck?

http://www.newslo.com/ted-cruzs-father-suggests-placing-atheists-in-camps/
Stay classy, Ted, stay classy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on November 18, 2013, 12:31:07 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on November 18, 2013, 12:56:24 AM
Stay classy, Ted, stay classy.
At least half of that article is parody.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on November 18, 2013, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: D on November 14, 2013, 07:13:19 AM
(http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-JtFZMWv/0/950x10000/i-JtFZMWv-950x10000.jpg)

While it's true that Black Friday can be very crazy, saying that people who want to take advantage of those deals are "monsters" is all kinds of ludicrous to me.

Usually people complain about it because of the people who have to work through that chaos, but hey that's the shit you signed up for when you took the job.

Well he's right though. They are literaly monsters. Zombies, Werewolves, Vampires and the odd manifestation of a demonic presence.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on November 18, 2013, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on November 18, 2013, 12:41:39 PM
Well he's right though. They are literaly monsters. Zombies, Werewolves, Vampires and the odd manifestation of a demonic presence.
I though they were just sheeple.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on November 18, 2013, 12:49:44 PM
Have you ever looked into the eyes of a sheep? The only place I've seen a more powerful form of pure malevolence was in the form of a Boston Train Conductor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on November 18, 2013, 12:59:02 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on November 18, 2013, 12:49:44 PM
Have you ever looked into the eyes of a sheep? The only place I've seen a more powerful form of pure malevolence was in the form of a Boston Train Conductor.
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1460081_686883731329882_96506443_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 18, 2013, 08:19:23 PM
http://www.demos.org/blog/11/17/13/libertarians-are-huge-fans-initiating-force
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on November 18, 2013, 08:36:44 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 18, 2013, 08:19:23 PM
http://www.demos.org/blog/11/17/13/libertarians-are-huge-fans-initiating-force
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjfMkCXfJHlLRDUulELCHnAGnnN48YkMHE_8h9Iu12Tia3R82h)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 18, 2013, 08:40:44 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 18, 2013, 08:19:23 PM
http://www.demos.org/blog/11/17/13/libertarians-are-huge-fans-initiating-force
Not even gonna dignify that with an actual reading.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FeatheredTerror on November 18, 2013, 10:25:16 PM
http://tyrannosauroideacentral.blogspot.com/2013/11/how-can-we-rescue-dinosaurs-from.html

I haven't been active here for personal reasons, and that's unlikely to change anytime soon, but I felt I had to leave this here. To be honest, it pains me to post this, since I've admired this guy's paleontological work for a while now and even corresponded with him by email a couple of times, during which he was very nice and helpful. However, his views on this issue are just wrong. While I don't particularly like fossils being auctioned off to the highest bidder, it is nothing worth violating anyone's property rights for. Doing what is suggested here would be a terrible abuse of eminent domain, a concept I think is bullshit to begin with. Again, I take no pleasure whatsoever in putting this here. I'm sorry if I'm being overly apologetic, but this really hurts me on a personal level.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 18, 2013, 10:47:42 PM
@FeatheredTerror--nice to hear from you again. And sorry you can't be here more often.  Speaking of personal level stuff...

The billboard/posting area of my college's electrical engineering building hallways had a newspaper article blaming Mr. Rogers and his "you're special" stuff for the reason why college students are entitled....I wish I was making that up.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 18, 2013, 11:24:50 PM
Just the comment section.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-arrested-florida-disturbance-call/story?id=20926767
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on November 19, 2013, 05:20:09 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on November 18, 2013, 12:59:02 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1460081_686883731329882_96506443_n.jpg)

PO'ed Spike FTW!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on November 19, 2013, 05:21:52 PM
http://np.reddit.com/r/Liberal/comments/1qx3pe/libertarianism_is_like_a_big_game_of_dungeons_and/ (http://np.reddit.com/r/Liberal/comments/1qx3pe/libertarianism_is_like_a_big_game_of_dungeons_and/)

QuoteDo any of you ever check out the Libertarian subreddits? They literally live in a fantasy world. And, yes, I know how to properly use the word literally.
Their arguments are based solely on hypothetical situations and fairy tales. They'd never make it past freshman level political science.

In the real world, we point to actual historic problems that have been caused by actual policies, or lack of policies. We base decisions on observations of what works, and has worked in the past. Alternately, we base them on what doesn't work, now or in the past.

Read any Libertarians' posts, and you'll get statements like "what if you were forced to buy only one kind of shoes, from one company." Then they'd go on to explain how this scenario backs up their beliefs. Well, yeah, fine, but nobody is forcing you to buy shoes of any kind.

I'm not ignoring the power of parables, but in the world of global politics, we should be able to look at hard facts from the real world, not some make believe crap that says what we want it to say.
Their inability to see anything other than extremes is also baffling. They're frustrated with the government, but they have no desire to reform it. If they don't like government, then the logical response is to eliminate it from the face of the earth. Never mind the fact that it's not feasible, and they can't point to a single real-world example of of a Libertarian state.

Even the most far left liberal can't drag up any support for eliminating capitalism, even though it is a destructive force (as well as a constructive one). Yet they have an entire movement that thinks it's a good idea to eliminate government, despite a total lack of evidence that it could work.

Sweet Celestia, the projection is strong with this one!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 19, 2013, 05:58:12 PM
If you want to know what it's like to live in The Land of Make-Believe look no further than here. (http://www.trayvonsamendment.com/the-28th-amendment/)


This is how I picture these people:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 19, 2013, 06:46:17 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on November 19, 2013, 05:20:09 PM
PO'ed Spike FTW!
What does PO'ed mean?  Urban Dictionary wasn't very helpful.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on November 19, 2013, 08:13:13 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on November 19, 2013, 06:46:17 PM
What does PO'ed mean?  Urban Dictionary wasn't very helpful.
"Pissed Off"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 19, 2013, 08:34:54 PM
Quote from: D on November 19, 2013, 05:58:12 PM
If you want to know what it's like to live in The Land of Make-Believe look no further than here. (http://www.trayvonsamendment.com/the-28th-amendment/)


This is how I picture these people:
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For those who haven't clicked on the link--warning epic fails...

Quote from: Some DipshitThe 28th Amendment, as drafted, will implement a series of common sense gun laws and implement new revenue streams for Americans.

The 12 provisions below will work to make America a more safe place by eliminating the obviously failed experiment that is the second amendment.

    The second amendment of the Constitution of the United States, being no longer necessary to a secure state is hereby nullified.
    The production and sale of new firearms, being defined as a rifle, pistol, or other gun, will be disallowed until a time in which the number of firearms in circulation is equal to 50% of the population as determined by the Census.
    No gun may reside in the same building as anyone who has failed a mental health evaluation, as performed by a medical professional, as approved by the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare).
    A mental health examination, as performed by a medical professional approved by the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) must be passed in order to receive a firearms license.
    An income tax equal to 4% of an individual's income will be assessed by all gun owners.  In states which were at any point in time a part of the Confederate States of America, this tax shall be equal to 10% of an individual's income.  Taxes levied under this amendment shall be appropriated in equal portions to programs to expand Affirmative Action programs and begin to pay reparations to the descendants of African slaves.
    Any person making the choice to own a firearm must carry $250,000 worth of liability insurance for each weapon owned.  This insurance must be provided by a publicly owned insurance company to be established.
    All firearms must be retrofitted with both a global positioning transmitter as well as a fingerprint activated locking mechanism.  Failure to comply with this provision will result in a fine, prison time, and forfeiture of the privilege of firearm ownership.
    The National Rifle Association, Michigan Militia, and other "gun rights" groups shall be considered terrorist operations.
    United States Marshals will be randomly placed at various "sporting venues," where a firearm could be otherwise legally discharged.  This could include publicly or privately owned venues where the following (but not limited to) take place:  hunting areas, shooting ranges.
    In a calendar year, no person may buy more than 100 rounds of ammunition.
    Assault rifles, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons, as well as those not fitted with GPS and trigger locking devices will be immediately seized by the government.  The owner will be compensated fair market value of the weapon, minus the cost of the seizure operation.
    President Obama will establish a Secretary of Firearm management.  This office will have final say over future gun regulation to prevent against rampant innovation that was not forseen by the second amendment.

You've seen our very easy to implement common sense solutions!  Now SIGN THE PETITION!
As Hawkeye said, all of those come with the implicit fine print of "does not apply to the state" and that's where the ideas fail right out of the gate.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 20, 2013, 05:44:16 AM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on November 19, 2013, 08:34:54 PM
For those who haven't clicked on the link--warning epic fails...

QuoteYou've seen our very easy to implement common sense solutions!  Now SIGN THE PETITION!

And THAT is why Appeal to Common Sense is a fallacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 20, 2013, 05:57:22 AM
Quote from: D on November 19, 2013, 05:58:12 PM
If you want to know what it's like to live in The Land of Make-Believe look no further than here. (http://www.trayvonsamendment.com/the-28th-amendment/)

Incidentally, this amendment would spread the following fail nationwide (note: the video itself is NOT a fail):

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 20, 2013, 08:00:00 AM
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/563173_523190607776452_760256418_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on November 20, 2013, 08:46:02 AM
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so many classic fallacies  in this video. the comments are even worse.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 20, 2013, 10:15:02 AM
Quote from: tnu on November 20, 2013, 08:46:02 AM
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so many classic fallacies  in this video. the comments are even worse.

Oh FSM, he even pulled out the "A private fire department sat and watched the house burn" when it was ABSOLUTELY a GOVERNMENT department!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 20, 2013, 11:15:05 AM
Quote from: D on November 20, 2013, 08:00:00 AM
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/563173_523190607776452_760256418_n.jpg)
@Maher--So donate your own money to help them then, you hypocritical fucktard.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on November 20, 2013, 11:51:26 AM
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His three fail-tastic points that the "free market" does not work:

1) Rationing. (We did it because of WAR. War seems to justify everything! How very statist!)

2) Wal-mart gives free water to hurricane survivors and victims. (But I thought evil, greedy companies didn't care about the poor?)

3) Big banks support bailouts and subsidies. (You mean to tell me big business hates playing on a fair playing field such as the free market and would rather profit by sucking the teat of the state? No! Inconceivable!)

Yeah, this moment of clarity is as clear as a brick wall in a heavy fog!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on November 20, 2013, 02:37:38 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 20, 2013, 10:15:02 AM
Oh FSM, he even pulled out the "A private fire department sat and watched the house burn" when it was ABSOLUTELY a GOVERNMENT department!

FSM?

Quote1) Rationing. (We did it because of WAR. War seems to justify everything! How very statist!)

By that logic what justifies war?

QuoteInconceivable!

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. (Sorry about that I had to.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on November 20, 2013, 03:24:28 PM
Quote from: tnu on November 20, 2013, 02:37:38 PM
FSM?

Flying Spaghetti Monster

By that logic what justifies war?

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. (Sorry about that I had to.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 20, 2013, 10:03:38 PM
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on November 20, 2013, 11:15:05 AM
@Mayer--So donate your own money to help them then, you hypocritical fucktard.

I'm surprised the elderly aren't being helped by their children: Dad helped his dad, and I am now (since I've been employed), helping him. It's how it is done in the Arab world, since before Islam, right up till the present. So yes, you can do both: you just need a sense of responsibility to your parents. If no children exist, nephews and relatives, and if not them, friends, and if not them, charity. there's always someone who can and wants to help. That's one thing I've learned this last year and a half.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 20, 2013, 10:42:19 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on November 20, 2013, 10:03:38 PM
I'm surprised the elderly aren't being helped by their children: Dad helped his dad, and I am now (since I've been employed), helping him. It's how it is done in the Arab world, since before Islam, right up till the present. So yes, you can do both: you just need a sense of responsibility to your parents. If no children exist, nephews and relatives, and if not them, friends, and if not them, charity. there's always someone who can and wants to help. That's one thing I've learned this last year and a half.
Well for one, according to the US Census, the 65 years old and older?  Richest demographic in America by age.   While the younger are poorer.  Something made worse by Social Security...Kinda takes the will to help out when you've got a gun to your head, no?

That's not to say that there aren't poor seniors who really do need help, but to act like without minimum wage/social security/etc they'd all starve in the streets like Maher is doing is just dumb.

And yes, that's more or less how it works in my family too. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 22, 2013, 06:28:00 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 20, 2013, 05:44:16 AM


And THAT is why Appeal to Common Sense is a fallacy.
You think that's bad?  Check out all the memes to the side (there's a meme tab/section of the site too).  Holy shit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on November 23, 2013, 07:24:30 PM
Quote from: tnu on November 20, 2013, 02:37:38 PM
FSM?

By that logic what justifies war?

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. (Sorry about that I had to.)
Pokemon being banned for one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on November 23, 2013, 07:30:29 PM
And how do we know this to be true?  The guy's own statement?  What about this statment?

Also included is a letter from a certified psychologist explaining that there is currently "no risk assessment instruments developed to estimate risk for future sexual offending for individuals possessing sexual images in Manga or Anime." Handley's original psychological assessment determined that Handley, "although honest with what he reported, was not disclosing enough to gain a complete picture of the nature and extent of [his] sexual deviancy ... The main finding from the testing results is that Mr. Handley produced a guarded, defensive, and evasive profile. His test taking behavior suggests there is likely more to know about him than he is willing to disclose at this time."

I saw a lot of other red flags about this guy in the article:

Christopher Handley, the Iowa man on trial for possessing manga "drawings of children being sexually abused," was sentenced on Thursday to six months in prison.

Handley admitted he searched the Internet for manga with stories involving the sexual abuse of minors.

Handley said he then explored materials of a more adult nature as the internet became popular. His interests then "evolved" into a "fascination for images of young girls engaged in sexual activity."

According to the prosecution's files, Handley "spent the past 17 years collecting over a thousand works of manga from Japan of a sexual nature, using images of young girls in such books as a substitute for sex."

Then there are the materials themselves:


Mikansei Seifuku Shōjo (Unfinished School Girl) by Yuki Tamachi (LE Comics)

I [Heart] Doll by Makafusigi (Seraphim Comics)

Kemono for ESSENTIAL 3 (THE ANIMAL SEX ANTHOLOGY Vol.3) by Masato Tsukimori et al (Izumi Comics)

Otonari Kazoku (Neighboring House Family) by Nekogen (MD Comics)

Eromon by Makafusigi (Seraphim Comics)

Kono Man_ ga Sugoi! (This Man_ is Awesome!) by Makafusigi (Seraphim Comics)

Hina Meikyū (Doll Labyrinth) by Makafusigi (Seraphim Comics)


Each of these volumes of manga, according to court files, contained minors engaged in sexual acts, sexual abuse on minors from adults, or minors engaged in bestiality.

Plus, the article shows a couple of the covers from the books and ANN had to blur out a lot of the images...

A well established fact about pedofiles, is that when found out or arrested, is that they have large collections of pictures of kids, and most and often all of the pics are of childen being used and abused sexually.  They also use such pictures to "get off" too before seeking out kids to abuse. 

Also, remember it's in the privacy of their own home or in other people's homes that a pedofile abuses children, not out in the open somewhere.

They also use kiddie porn (including comics, cartoons, pics, or anything else a child might be drawn to) to show the child they want abuse to help convice the child to "try it out."  As in...."This girl/boy looks like they are enjoying doing this, would you like to try it too?" in an attempt to overcome the child's natural reluctance or even fear.  Then during the abuse, they often take their own picture of the child and use those to help insure the child stays quiet.

I'm sorry, there is no good reason out there for anyone to own material involving the sexualization of children, in whatever manner whether obivious porn or the milder loli stuff.  It can all be used by a pedo to target and abuse a child.


In fact, the milder stuff, like the loli stuff would be even easier for the pedofile to use against a child, as the child might of already of enjoyed a edited version of the series.  Even "Loli" costumes especially from such a series could even be used to get the child as most kids like playing "dress up" when younger.

Freedom of expression?  Get real.  That arguement is really about the production of porn, not the owning of it, check the court cases.  This guy hasn't expressed anything by owning loli and magna decicting the sexual abuse as well as beastial abuse of minors...except maybe his poor judgement in buying it.

Personally, I'm really glad they did prosecute him, maybe he'll finally get treatment he needs so that he never abuses a child.  His fasination with the images of young girls being abused certainly leads me to believe that he will one day soon...assuming that he hasn't already.  Remeber this statement:

"although honest with what he reported, was not disclosing enough to gain a complete picture of the nature and extent of [his] sexual deviancy ... The main finding from the testing results is that Mr. Handley produced a guarded, defensive, and evasive profile. His test taking behavior suggests there is likely more to know about him than he is willing to disclose at this time."

This case isn't about owning manga or anime, it's about this man's preverted fasination with pictures of children being sexually abused by human or beast.  He was just hoping that catoon images wouldn't get him in as much trouble as a photo would. 

forgingaheart on http://boards.adultswim.com/t5/General-Action-Discussion/It-s-Illegal-to-be-a-lolicon-in-the-U-S/td-p/53244791/page/2

Some guy in Iowa was arrested for owning lolicons, which are simply drawings of childrens naked. But it's important to remember that drawings can feel pain, so these sexual deviants need to be arrested so no more drawings will be hurt.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2013, 11:17:49 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on November 23, 2013, 07:30:29 PM
And how do we know this to be true?  The guy's own statement?  What about this statment?

Also included is a letter from a certified psychologist explaining that there is currently "no risk assessment instruments developed to estimate risk for future sexual offending for individuals possessing sexual images in Manga or Anime." Handley's original psychological assessment determined that Handley, "although honest with what he reported, was not disclosing enough to gain a complete picture of the nature and extent of [his] sexual deviancy ... The main finding from the testing results is that Mr. Handley produced a guarded, defensive, and evasive profile. His test taking behavior suggests there is likely more to know about him than he is willing to disclose at this time."

I saw a lot of other red flags about this guy in the article:

Christopher Handley, the Iowa man on trial for possessing manga "drawings of children being sexually abused," was sentenced on Thursday to six months in prison.

Handley admitted he searched the Internet for manga with stories involving the sexual abuse of minors.

Handley said he then explored materials of a more adult nature as the internet became popular. His interests then "evolved" into a "fascination for images of young girls engaged in sexual activity."

According to the prosecution's files, Handley "spent the past 17 years collecting over a thousand works of manga from Japan of a sexual nature, using images of young girls in such books as a substitute for sex."

Then there are the materials themselves:


Mikansei Seifuku Shōjo (Unfinished School Girl) by Yuki Tamachi (LE Comics)

I [Heart] Doll by Makafusigi (Seraphim Comics)

Kemono for ESSENTIAL 3 (THE ANIMAL SEX ANTHOLOGY Vol.3) by Masato Tsukimori et al (Izumi Comics)

Otonari Kazoku (Neighboring House Family) by Nekogen (MD Comics)

Eromon by Makafusigi (Seraphim Comics)

Kono Man_ ga Sugoi! (This Man_ is Awesome!) by Makafusigi (Seraphim Comics)

Hina Meikyū (Doll Labyrinth) by Makafusigi (Seraphim Comics)


Each of these volumes of manga, according to court files, contained minors engaged in sexual acts, sexual abuse on minors from adults, or minors engaged in bestiality.

Plus, the article shows a couple of the covers from the books and ANN had to blur out a lot of the images...

A well established fact about pedofiles, is that when found out or arrested, is that they have large collections of pictures of kids, and most and often all of the pics are of childen being used and abused sexually.  They also use such pictures to "get off" too before seeking out kids to abuse. 

Also, remember it's in the privacy of their own home or in other people's homes that a pedofile abuses children, not out in the open somewhere.

They also use kiddie porn (including comics, cartoons, pics, or anything else a child might be drawn to) to show the child they want abuse to help convice the child to "try it out."  As in...."This girl/boy looks like they are enjoying doing this, would you like to try it too?" in an attempt to overcome the child's natural reluctance or even fear.  Then during the abuse, they often take their own picture of the child and use those to help insure the child stays quiet.

I'm sorry, there is no good reason out there for anyone to own material involving the sexualization of children, in whatever manner whether obivious porn or the milder loli stuff.  It can all be used by a pedo to target and abuse a child.


In fact, the milder stuff, like the loli stuff would be even easier for the pedofile to use against a child, as the child might of already of enjoyed a edited version of the series.  Even "Loli" costumes especially from such a series could even be used to get the child as most kids like playing "dress up" when younger.

Freedom of expression?  Get real.  That arguement is really about the production of porn, not the owning of it, check the court cases.  This guy hasn't expressed anything by owning loli and magna decicting the sexual abuse as well as beastial abuse of minors...except maybe his poor judgement in buying it.

Personally, I'm really glad they did prosecute him, maybe he'll finally get treatment he needs so that he never abuses a child.  His fasination with the images of young girls being abused certainly leads me to believe that he will one day soon...assuming that he hasn't already.  Remeber this statement:

"although honest with what he reported, was not disclosing enough to gain a complete picture of the nature and extent of [his] sexual deviancy ... The main finding from the testing results is that Mr. Handley produced a guarded, defensive, and evasive profile. His test taking behavior suggests there is likely more to know about him than he is willing to disclose at this time."

This case isn't about owning manga or anime, it's about this man's preverted fasination with pictures of children being sexually abused by human or beast.  He was just hoping that catoon images wouldn't get him in as much trouble as a photo would. 

forgingaheart on http://boards.adultswim.com/t5/General-Action-Discussion/It-s-Illegal-to-be-a-lolicon-in-the-U-S/td-p/53244791/page/2

Some guy in Iowa was arrested for owning lolicons, which are simply drawings of childrens naked. But it's important to remember that drawings can feel pain, so these sexual deviants need to be arrested so no more drawings will be hurt.
Victimless crimes up in this bitch.  up yours, OP.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 23, 2013, 11:20:19 PM
There's no point in mincing words.  Arresting someone for having loliporn DRAWINGS is thought policing and until Vulcan mind melding has been perfected, thought policing will always be an utterly arbitrary and selective law.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 24, 2013, 07:31:32 AM
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She's BAAAAAAACK.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 24, 2013, 10:02:38 AM
Quote from: D on November 24, 2013, 07:31:32 AM
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She's BAAAAAAACK.
Ahhh! Why did you have to reference that Ox/Rat political CGI ad?  [voice = Jesse cox when annoyed]Yoouuu son of a bitch![/voice]

Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on November 23, 2013, 11:20:19 PM
There's no point in mincing words.  Arresting someone for having loliporn DRAWINGS is thought policing and until Vulcan mind melding has been perfected, thought policing will always be an utterly arbitrary and selective law.
A few years ago I heard a statheist try to say that stuff like that *isn't* a thought crime because it involves stuff other than thought (e.g. drawing, masturbation etc) and it is therefore immoral.  And yes, he was/is an Obama supporter/liberal. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on November 24, 2013, 12:18:28 PM
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Hey its time for some Iran Fail..I mean Facts
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on November 24, 2013, 01:46:41 PM
Quote from: Dukect45 on November 24, 2013, 12:18:28 PM
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Hey its time for some Iran Fail..I mean Facts

Oh brother.

I need to ask them a couple things.

1)How many Shia Terrorist/Insurgency organizations are there compared to Sunni?

Because from what I see the vase majority of the Insurgent groups that the US is fighting against are Sunni NOT SHIA

2) How many countries have Iran invaded so far?

From what I see hardly any.

3) Even If they do get a nuke, what the hell can they possibly do?

Israel has at least a 100 warhead, USA has about 5000. Iran will only have ONE.

4) How many suicide bombings have Iran committed?

From what I read only one so far. and that was against the israelis in Ukraine. Also very little to none of these suicide bombers are from Sudan a country that is also ran by fundamentalist muslims

This is also hypocrisy, if they think Iran is bad, they should take a look at Saudi Arabia. (At least women in Iran can drive)

They also seem to have forgotten that the overthrow of Mohammad Mossedegh in 53 and the propping of the Shah is a cause for the 1979 revolution
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on November 24, 2013, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on November 24, 2013, 01:46:41 PM
Oh brother.

I need to ask them a couple things.

1)How many Shia Terrorist/Insurgency organizations are there compared to Sunni?

Because from what I see the vase majority of the Insurgent groups that the US is fighting against are Sunni NOT SHIA

2) How many countries have Iran invaded so far?

From what I see hardly any.

3) Even If they do get a nuke, what the hell can they possibly do?

Israel has at least a 100 warhead, USA has about 5000. Iran will only have ONE.

4) How many suicide bombings have Iran committed?

From what I read only one so far. and that was against the israelis in Ukraine. Also very little to none of these suicide bombers are from Sudan a country that is also ran by fundamentalist muslims

This is also hypocrisy, if they think Iran is bad, they should take a look at Saudi Arabia. (At least women in Iran can drive)

They also seem to have forgotten that the overthrow of Mohammad Mossedegh in 53 and the propping of the Shah is a cause for the 1979 revolution
That and the US overthrew the Iranian gov in 195 something, which Is what sparked the 1978 embassy to begin with, I  think. People like this are best ignored, arguing with them is wasted time that you could be using to do something joyful like trying to watch doctor who 50th anniversary.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on November 24, 2013, 04:42:28 PM
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Im a libertarian/anarchist, and some people may think thats a dirty word. Now libertarianism/anarchism means that you know the difference between sharing and stealing and wish to respect peoples' persons and property. If thats what it means, then im a libertarian/anarchist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on November 25, 2013, 05:28:54 PM
http://gawker.com/i-just-posted-a-link-to-you-showing-that-socialist-coun-1471451900

The comments by ParahSallin! Trying to argue with them. Just...

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 25, 2013, 05:54:59 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on November 25, 2013, 05:28:54 PM
http://gawker.com/i-just-posted-a-link-to-you-showing-that-socialist-coun-1471451900

The comments by ParahSallin! Trying to argue with them. Just...

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"Corporate shills"
Yes, which must explain all the corporate money the libertarian party gets while the democrats and republicans get none.  Oh wait, it's the other way around. SO MUCH FOR THAT!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on November 25, 2013, 07:11:29 PM
Not sure if this was already posted on here, but...

(http://i.imgur.com/CLctRKh.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 25, 2013, 07:57:21 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on November 25, 2013, 07:11:29 PM
Not sure if this was already posted on here, but...
It hasn't been posted here, so you're good.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 26, 2013, 12:02:20 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on November 25, 2013, 07:11:29 PM
Not sure if this was already posted on here, but...

(http://i.imgur.com/CLctRKh.jpg)

#1. How long will Paris stay rich when her mom is gone? My guess is not very long.

#2. maybe the debt thing was Tesla's fault! Maybe he should have watched his money issues better?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 26, 2013, 08:17:02 AM
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"Who cares that it's completely optional. YOU shouldn't be allowed to use it! If you suck at a Mario game, fuck you, you deserve to be a loser."

That's the entire video in a nutshell.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 26, 2013, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on November 26, 2013, 12:02:20 AM
#1. How long will Paris stay rich when her mom is gone? My guess is not very long.

#2. maybe the debt thing was Tesla's fault! Maybe he should have watched his money issues better?

#1 I'm surprised Paris Hilton is worth so little, considering the huge size of the business empire she owns.  (I'm not saying it's a well run empire, of course.  I stayed in a Hilton near Disney in California once, and it was one of the worst hotels I've ever been in.  The interior decorator must have been insane, making all the hallways exactly identical and the rooms pale GREEN.)

#2 Tesla gave up his royalties from Westinghouse when Westinghouse was in severe financial trouble.  Had he not done so, he would have stayed wealthy for the rest of his life, but the company that had made use of his inventions (and thus routed Edison, a man he likely hated for how Edison had treated him and his work) might have gone down the tubes.  And you're right, he was fairly bad with money (and property), having arrived in the US with a few cents (after being robbed on the boat and nearly murdered in a mutiny), not getting Edison's promise to pay him the equivalent of about a million dollars in current money if he could improve the efficiency of the DC motors and dynamos Edison had (which he did, and was offered a $10 a week raise on his existing $18 a week), making such a bad deal with the investors in the first company he set up that they were able to take all the profits and fire him, and having lost one R&D lab to sheer neglect of business concerns (it being torn down and the contents liquidated to pay debts after he abandoned it), and at least one other one being destroyed by a never adequately explained fire (for which no conspiracy is needed, when you recall the kind of equipment he was wont to mess around with).  Tesla was the sort of brilliant and overly focused person who needs a keeper to make sure the bills get paid and that he sleeps and eats regularly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 26, 2013, 12:25:48 PM
Quote from: D on November 26, 2013, 08:17:02 AM
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"Who cares that it's completely optional. YOU shouldn't be allowed to use it! If you suck at a Mario game, fuck you, you deserve to be a loser."

That's the entire video in a nutshell.
In other words, the OP is an elitist prick.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 26, 2013, 12:28:03 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20775_7-horrifying-things-you-didnt-want-to-know-about-prison.html
Notice how he left out the part where the most common cause of rape is the guards themselves--especially in prisons for children.  If that article Dave showed me is anything to go on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on November 26, 2013, 01:08:01 PM
http://rt.com/news/pope-francis-capitalism-tyranny-324/

This guy is hit or miss for me :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 26, 2013, 01:12:35 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on November 26, 2013, 01:08:01 PM
http://rt.com/news/pope-francis-capitalism-tyranny-324/

This guy is hit or miss for me :P

I'd say that, on the whole, he's much more miss than hit, just like his predecessor.  Given what his predecessor set as some of his duties, this is inevitable.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 26, 2013, 04:18:35 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on November 26, 2013, 01:12:35 PM
I'd say that, on the whole, he's much more miss than hit, just like his predecessor.  Given what his predecessor set as some of his duties, this is inevitable.

was there a pope who was more hit than miss?

I mean, you're talking about the only institution (to my knowledge) to have every done this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synodus_Horrenda).

yeah, let that sink in.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 26, 2013, 04:29:41 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on November 26, 2013, 04:18:35 PM
was there a pope who was more hit than miss?

I mean, you're talking about the only institution (to my knowledge) to have every done this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synodus_Horrenda).

yeah, let that sink in.

Weirder things have happened. Mussolini's corpse was executed by hanging. And then stoned.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 26, 2013, 04:44:32 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 26, 2013, 04:29:41 PM
Weirder things have happened. Mussolini's corpse was executed by hanging. And then stoned.

yeah, and Oliver Cromwell was posthumously strung up. It happened way too often in history.

but no one actually put his corpse (or Mussolini's) in a courtroom for trial. seriously, what is the point? I mean, the defendant can't defend himself: he'll just sit quietly in the courtroom gawking at everyone (or falling apart). And one looks like an utter cunt (like Stephen did)--largely because one would be one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 26, 2013, 05:27:54 PM
God Damn It, Ben Swan!
You had so much potential!

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 26, 2013, 06:11:14 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on November 26, 2013, 04:44:32 PM
yeah, and Oliver Cromwell was posthumously strung up. It happened way too often in history.

I really don't get why so many people idolize Cromwell. He made the BBC poll of 10 greatest Britons of all time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 26, 2013, 06:33:56 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 26, 2013, 06:11:14 PM
I really don't get why so many people idolize Cromwell. He made the BBC poll of 10 greatest Britons of all time.

I never said I did idolize him. just to be clear. He was just the first example of posthumous execution I came up with

As to why he's idolized? from all the documentaries I saw about him, he's associated with many, with the curtailing of the power of kings in England, his advocacy of religious toleration, etc. of course, reality was quite a bit different (he was a military dictator, more powerful than any King of England, and he never lived up to the whole toleration bit).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 27, 2013, 08:23:58 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on November 26, 2013, 06:33:56 PM
I never said I did idolize him. just to be clear. He was just the first example of posthumous execution I came up with

As to why he's idolized? from all the documentaries I saw about him, he's associated with many, with the curtailing of the power of kings in England, his advocacy of religious toleration, etc. of course, reality was quite a bit different (he was a military dictator, more powerful than any King of England, and he never lived up to the whole toleration bit).

He also made a dubiously useful war with Holland (a major reason Elizabeth intervened in the Spanish invasion attempt was because the Dutch made the best canons in Europe at the time, and she wanted to ensure she could continue to buy them), and conquered Ireland (which set up numerous horrendous actions that followed).

He banned theater (we know of Shakespeare mostly because his plays were published posthumously by friends, we know almost nothing of the work of most of the numerous other playwrights of the same era, and not just because almost all of them got into legal trouble because of their plays).
at the time

Oh, and his most famous action is banning Christmas...to the extent he made it illegal to GO TO CHURCH on Christmas, had the army seize traditional Christmas foods, prohibited the giving of gifts, singing of carols, and any other expression of the day.

Pretty much, he was your typical hard-ass evangelical Christian hypocrite (music and smoking were OK, since he liked them himself).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on November 28, 2013, 10:27:47 AM
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard

anybody up for a laugh?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 28, 2013, 11:05:07 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on November 28, 2013, 10:27:47 AM
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard

anybody up for a laugh?
You should see their article on free market.  Last I saw, it showed a picture of an empty shelf in a store and calling it the result of a free market.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 29, 2013, 01:00:50 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on November 26, 2013, 05:27:54 PM
God Damn It, Ben Swan!
You had so much potential!

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So I've discovered a question anti-vaccers will never answer.

How do vaccinations cause the things they claim they do.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 29, 2013, 08:55:29 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on November 29, 2013, 01:00:50 AM
So I've discovered a question anti-vaccers will never answer.

How do vaccinations cause the things they claim they do.
Demon Magic?
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on November 29, 2013, 04:49:50 PM
Quote from: Clectabled
Quote from: Nicos
Quote from: ciretose
Quote from: NicosBecause the god do not waht his warpriest to suck for no reason.

Which is why the God wants them to use the weapon they give all the bonuses to...

Wich make no sense. Desna godess of liberty totally punish her follower for use the weapon they want.

Your a bit off here Nicos, you don't get punished for not wielding the favored weapon, you get rewarded for doing so.

So this is from the playtest discussions of one of pathfinder's new base classes, the warpreist. There has been a discussion revolving around the sacred weapon mechanic. Sacred weapon gives bonuses when you weild a deity's favored weapon. However, there are some deitys that don't have very good favored weapons (like pharisma, one who desposes undead, has a pidly dagger as her favored weapon). It also doesn't make much sense that deities of freedom or of war and weapons would only give bonuses to one weapon and practically penalize the class for using something different which sux for them cause it means they are falling behind the more mundane fighters and the less martial clerics.

Also the argument that you don't get punished for not using the deity's weapon kind of reminds me of the argument some creationist make: "You aren't being punished for not believing, you are only rewarded for doing so." kind of like a twisted pascell's wager.

heres a link to the discussion

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qdje?Warpriest-Discussion
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on November 29, 2013, 07:00:19 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 30, 2013, 12:51:42 AM
Quote from: T dog on November 29, 2013, 08:55:29 AM
Demon Magic?
Sorry, I couldn't resist.

That's more of an answer than I've ever gotten.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 30, 2013, 09:46:01 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 01, 2013, 12:46:59 AM
http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1479546-humans-worse-for-environment-than-nuclear-waste/
And on a forum I thought had banned political bullshit.
How can humans be bad for the environment when a good portion of the population is trying to help it? And you don't destroy environments, you alter them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 01, 2013, 12:55:24 AM
Quote from: D on November 30, 2013, 09:46:01 PM
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What the fuck is an economy of exclusion?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 01, 2013, 04:38:21 AM
bouncers?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 02, 2013, 01:45:24 AM
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You gotta love projection.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on December 02, 2013, 03:20:32 PM
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The video itself is fail for being overly simplistic, but as per the norm, I wanted to direct you to some fail comments, today made by mouthpiece200, who takes the "Who will built the ROADS?" argument to new heights:

With one single road I could gain the power to slice the nation in two, demanding vast payment from anyone who wants to cross.  Or I could just encircle your house with my road.  If you cannot see the power of roads to exploit people, there is no hope for you.

Did I say heights? Sorry, I meant depths. And if that wasn't enough, he digs in even deeper:

Competition in roadmaking would be the most absurd idea on the planet.  There is only one straight line to any given place.  Its entirely stupid to have two competing roads to the same place.  Most people would already figure this stuff out, but dirty anarchists are a little slow.

(http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/01908.gif)

Yeah, just ignore little, inconvenient things, like houses, mountains, oceans, the curvature of the earth, and so forth...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 02, 2013, 03:46:41 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on December 02, 2013, 03:20:32 PM
Yeah, just ignore little, inconvenient things, like houses, mountains, oceans, the curvature of the earth, and so forth...

Not to mention the time and expense involved in even the best-case scenario, and what other people will do once they figure out what you're up to.

Not to mention the homesteading concept of "right of way"...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 02, 2013, 06:42:52 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on December 02, 2013, 03:20:32 PM
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The video itself is fail for being overly simplistic, but as per the norm, I wanted to direct you to some fail comments, today made by mouthpiece200, who takes the "Who will built the ROADS?" argument to new heights:

With one single road I could gain the power to slice the nation in two, demanding vast payment from anyone who wants to cross.  Or I could just encircle your house with my road.  If you cannot see the power of roads to exploit people, there is no hope for you.

Did I say heights? Sorry, I meant depths. And if that wasn't enough, he digs in even deeper:

Competition in roadmaking would be the most absurd idea on the planet.  There is only one straight line to any given place.  Its entirely stupid to have two competing roads to the same place.  Most people would already figure this stuff out, but dirty anarchists are a little slow.

(http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/01908.gif)

Yeah, just ignore little, inconvenient things, like houses, mountains, oceans, the curvature of the earth, and so forth...
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His worst nightmare is already reality. With government controlled roads, that he said could cut a nation in half if controlled by one one person/group, but there can't be competition.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 02, 2013, 07:12:38 PM
I guess that OP defending govco roads didn't read this:  http://www.cracked.com/article_19925_the-5-stupidest-things-ever-done-with-borders.html (this one ain't a fail, ftr).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 02, 2013, 07:22:24 PM
This is from Being Liberal.

(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1488301_10151842670486275_1422412146_n.jpg)

Anything behind it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 02, 2013, 09:19:56 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 02, 2013, 07:22:24 PM
This is from Being Liberal.

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Anything behind it?

The States with the lowest per capita income are, from highest income to lowest: Oklahoma, Louisiana, Tennessee, New Mexico, Kentucky, Alabama, W. Virginia, Arkansas, and Mississippi.

The States that receive the most Federal Funding, from least to most, are: Maryland, Texas, Delaware, N. Dakota, Mississippi, Virginia, Hawaii, S. Carolina, Louisiana, and Florida.

As you can see, only Louisiana and Mississippi appear on both lists; therefore I would suggest that there isn't a correlation between the two things.

Sources:

www.cnbc.com/id/101068491 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/101068491)

www.cnbc.com/id/49200137 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/49200137)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 02, 2013, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on December 02, 2013, 06:42:52 PM
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His worst nightmare is already reality. With government controlled roads, that he said could cut a nation in half if controlled by one one person/group, but there can't be competition.

don't forgett hat not only dot heyhold a monopoly and can charge what they damn well please they also get to charge you if you DON'T cross the road.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 02, 2013, 11:50:48 PM
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/269400.php

Does anyone no how to find out if this is peer reviewed? Also, the comments point out the flaws in this article. Now excuse me while I go drive my car into a ditch because playing violent video games has gotten rid of self control. Also, his moral engagement spectrum is bullshit, and really fucking subjective. Someone with more knowledge on how scientific studies work should point out the holes in this study. Also, any decision you make reduces your self control, it's called ego depletion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 03, 2013, 01:53:24 AM
Quote from: nilecroc on December 02, 2013, 11:50:48 PM
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/269400.php

Does anyone no how to find out if this is peer reviewed? Also, the comments point out the flaws in this article. Now excuse me while I go drive my car into a ditch because playing violent video games has gotten rid of self control. Also, his moral engagement spectrum is bullshit, and really fucking subjective. Someone with more knowledge on how scientific studies work should point out the holes in this study. Also, any decision you make reduces your self control, it's called ego depletion.

According to the "about us"
QuoteThe editorial team provides news from evidence-based, peer-reviewed studies, along with accurate, unbiased and informative content from governments (e.g. FDA, CDC, NIH, NHS), medical societies, royal colleges, professional associations, patients' groups, pharmaceutical and biotech companies, among others. Medical News Today produces original, timely and authoritative information from respected, credible sources.

According to Linkdin, http://www.linkedin.com/pub/honor-whiteman/45/3ab/532  (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/honor-whiteman/45/3ab/532) Honor Whiteman is just a journalist, and has no background on the subject at hand. That being said, the peer-reviewed paper that she based her article on is http://spp.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/10/28/1948550613509286.abstract (http://spp.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/10/28/1948550613509286.abstract). However, the abstract only says the investigators "predicted" the results Whiteman claimed. Beyond that, it costs $25 to read the full text of the study, unless you happen to be a student, then you can sign in with your schools credentials. Ask the librarian at your school if you don't already have it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 03, 2013, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on December 03, 2013, 01:53:24 AM
According to the "about us"
According to Linkdin, http://www.linkedin.com/pub/honor-whiteman/45/3ab/532  (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/honor-whiteman/45/3ab/532) Honor Whiteman is just a journalist, and has no background on the subject at hand. That being said, the peer-reviewed paper that she based her article on is http://spp.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/10/28/1948550613509286.abstract (http://spp.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/10/28/1948550613509286.abstract). However, the abstract only says the investigators "predicted" the results Whiteman claimed. Beyond that, it costs $25 to read the full text of the study, unless you happen to be a student, then you can sign in with your schools credentials. Ask the librarian at your school if you don't already have it.
No way is this study unbiased. One off his measurements is how "immoral" people behave after playing a "violent" video game, which is most games including mario (jumping ongoombas to kill them is still violent even if blood/gore isn't shown). One of his criteria for "moral" behavior is how likely you are to break the law after you played a game.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 03, 2013, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on December 03, 2013, 12:17:39 PM
No way is this study unbiased. One off his measurements is how "immoral" people behave after playing a "violent" video game, which is most games including mario (jumping ongoombas to kill them is still violent even if blood/gore isn't shown). One of his criteria for "moral" behavior is how likely you are to break the law after you played a game.
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The study is very biased. It fails (if Whiteman's reporting is accurate - which is a key point), to control for at least 4 pertinent variables. (That I can think of)

1. No one took a control survey before the games were played to get a base-line (ie. what is the moral baseline for the participating children)
2. No one had a group each have chocolates, no chocolates, and a healthy snack. (i.e. to eliminate the chocolate as the causal factor)
3. The question was "Compared to other criminal activites, shoplifting is morally harmless (or acceptable)?" Which is a relative question, which is unfair to the children being judged on their "moral disengagement". Compared to other criminal activities, shoplifting *is* relatively harmless. They should have been asked if they think it's OK to steal from the store - with no modifying conditions. 
4. No one was playing a "violent" game where you weren't role-playing a criminal -- or weren't "necessarily" playing a criminal.
5. The "non-violent" control games are really lame.
6. They didn't have anyone play any real life (like football) or violent board games (which I can't remember the names of) to tell if it's the violence of the game, or the video game.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 03, 2013, 01:43:36 PM
From Anarchist Memes (an An-Com page) on Facebook:
QuoteYou think anarchism means we should all have some sort of right to say whatever you feel like? So let me get this straight, people think that in a stateless society, everyone is going to allow others be a massive asshole whenever they talk? Without the police to uphold liberal ideas such as freedom to be bigot, I doubt people would tolerate intolerance with mere simple verbal disagreement. Without state protection, oppression (from bigotry to patriarchy to capitalism) wouldn't thrive as much as it does now. That's sort of the point of the anti-state position of anarchism. [K|E|P]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 03, 2013, 04:34:51 PM
Ben Swann needs to fuck right off.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 04, 2013, 12:04:22 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 04, 2013, 05:31:07 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 04, 2013, 12:04:22 AM
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Uh? What the fuck is it I'm supposed to be looking at?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on December 04, 2013, 12:29:58 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 04, 2013, 12:04:22 AM
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Let me guess, this was either on being liberal, or is probably on there by now. Remember when the government printed and spent to much in order to pay for those things, and caused the market to crash?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on December 04, 2013, 11:16:03 PM
http://gawker.com/here-is-your-bible-of-privatization-horror-stories-1476546354

The article is fail. The comments, more so. But this one comment is simply too much: http://gawker.com/this-is-pretty-much-what-im-thinking-might-i-add-gover-1476590604

Quote*Governments have to be answerable, and therefore, more transparent to, and accessible to the public for accountability. Businesses do not have the same responsibility, especially if they're very large.

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I'm sorry. Is this the same government that secretly funneled trillions of dollars to big banks and corporations through the Fed? The same government that kept classified footage of solders gunning down innocent civilians? The same government that has been collecting billions of phone records from American citizens? The same government that has been prosecuting or chasing the very same whistleblowers who leaked this information to the public? That same "transparent" government?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 04, 2013, 11:38:54 PM
[yt]A2V61P7XeUM[/yt]

from the commentsof this video.

QuoteSo if you live in a poor area, fuck you. No roads for poor people.
What a vapid, stupid answer to a serious question. The fact is under the libertarian wet dream there would be massive concentrations of power and massive abuses of it, and no one to check that power. Just look at the corporate world, very little regulation and intervention, yet massive corruption and disregard for human beings.
People would be much worse off, because resources are not centralized. We would end up with areas of the country being piss poor. Which already kind of sounds like the US.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 05, 2013, 06:15:46 AM
Quote from: tnu on December 04, 2013, 11:38:54 PM
[yt]A2V61P7XeUM[/yt]

from the commentsof this video.

Also LOL at all of the humorless morons who are telling here there are two Rs in "libary."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on December 05, 2013, 04:00:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/0onGR6J.jpg)

Need I say anything?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 05, 2013, 07:04:09 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on December 05, 2013, 04:00:14 PM
Need I say anything?
Oh wow.  Is that a parody made by libertarians?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on December 06, 2013, 11:40:05 PM
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/5f3a6dca8d8f4df85282cef378d2de55/tumblr_mxaeqf0XVw1r4hl3go1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 06, 2013, 11:44:20 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on December 06, 2013, 11:40:05 PM
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/5f3a6dca8d8f4df85282cef378d2de55/tumblr_mxaeqf0XVw1r4hl3go1_1280.png)

I'm sorry Unions nowadays are little more than monopolies. They used to serve the workers, at least until they were turned into cartels by the government, I believe sometime during the great depression. (Am I correct Shane?)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 07, 2013, 12:42:43 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on December 06, 2013, 11:40:05 PM
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/5f3a6dca8d8f4df85282cef378d2de55/tumblr_mxaeqf0XVw1r4hl3go1_1280.png)
/vomits
Ugh.  LeftyCartoons.  Seriously? Can this wage gap between men/women fucking die already?  PRATT territory now.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 07, 2013, 09:23:30 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 06, 2013, 11:44:20 PM
I'm sorry Unions nowadays are little more than monopolies. They used to serve the workers, at least until they were turned into cartels by the government, I believe sometime during the great depression. (Am I correct Shane?)

Pretty much. You know how cartels increase their prices? They create shortages. You know how cartelized unions increase wages?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 07, 2013, 01:38:02 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 07, 2013, 09:23:30 AM
Pretty much. You know how cartels increase their prices? They create shortages. You know how cartelized unions increase wages?

Questions. Are there examples of monopolized unions killing off smaller or competing unions?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on December 07, 2013, 01:39:48 PM
Here are some choice quotes from a gun control advocate.

QuoteStricter gun laws need to be enacted to prevent nutjob gun fondlers from being able to easily obtain guns through lawful measures.

Of course, if I had my way, all guns would be banned.

The comment guns don't kill people is an ignorant statement, after all. If guns do not kill people, why not take guns away from soldiers and just send the men to war without weapons.
QuoteBottom line. More guns=more deaths.
QuoteI fail to see how criminals have guns so I need to have one too is a logical course toward ending violence.

In fact, scenario number one: guns are banned, criminals can still get guns while the victims cannot legally obtain them. Criminals shoot victims. Violence.

Scenario number two: everyone can have a gun, criminals still get guns, both the victims and the criminals shoot at each other. Violence.

Where does the violence end, if not in banning guns or ensuring stricter gun laws?

A logical course of action in ending the violence, I believe, is not in allowing the victims to have guns to perpetuate the violence enacted upon them by the criminals. What must be done is to find a way to ensure there is no way criminals can illegally obtain guns, but how to go about doing that is unclear. I am certain a way could be discovered, however.
QuoteSomething has to make it go away. Guns are a problem, plain and simple. Denying that is erring on the side of ignorance.

Stating that people need guns to defend themselves from criminals who have guns merely perpetuates the problem, because it ensures guns remain within society.

To completely remove guns from everyone, properly doing it so that no guns go underground to be illegally sold, is the only logical course at this point.
QuoteOf course, violence is going to persist, but it does not have to persist in the form of guns.

Stating that guns are needed just because the other guy illegally has one is not a valid reason for guns to remain, as far as I am concerned.

Criminals tend to choose guns because it is much easier to kill people with guns than with knives or stones. It also makes the kill impersonal. If there were no guns, I speculate that not many criminals will be too happy about having to use knives or stones to continue killing. In fact, they probably will not even go that route.
QuoteConsidering most mass shootings were done with legally obtained guns, I'd say banning guns from the law abiding would do more than the NRA would care to admit.
QuoteI do not expect the government to get rid of their guns. I may not trust the government concerning many things, but I see no reason why the government cannot have guns. Only nutters think the government will go on a killing spree, killing civilians left and right.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 07, 2013, 02:20:17 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 07, 2013, 01:38:02 PM
Questions. Are there examples of monopolized unions killing off smaller or competing unions?

Not directly that I'm aware of, but they do it indirectly with regulations, just like they kill off competition for their workers by lobbying for increasing the Minimum Wage.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 07, 2013, 02:40:09 PM
Quote from: BreadGod on December 07, 2013, 01:39:48 PM
Here are some choice quotes from a gun control advocate.
All for the peasants of course, not for their holy government.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 07, 2013, 02:51:21 PM
Quote from: BreadGod on December 07, 2013, 01:39:48 PM
Here are some choice quotes from a gun control advocate.

And here are my rebuttals. *Rub hands together*

QuoteStricter gun laws need to be enacted to prevent nutjob gun fondlers from being able to easily obtain guns through lawful measures.

Of course, if I had my way, all guns would be banned.

The comment guns don't kill people is an ignorant statement, after all. If guns do not kill people, why not take guns away from soldiers and just send the men to war without weapons.

Oh Yeah that prevented the Happy land Arsonists, or Timothy McVeigh with his fertilizer bomb.

QuoteBottom line. More guns=more deaths.

Then how come the overall homicide rate in the has dropped by half?

QuoteI fail to see how criminals have guns so I need to have one too is a logical course toward ending violence.

In fact, scenario number one: guns are banned, criminals can still get guns while the victims cannot legally obtain them. Criminals shoot victims. Violence.

Scenario number two: everyone can have a gun, criminals still get guns, both the victims and the criminals shoot at each other. Violence.

Where does the violence end, if not in banning guns or ensuring stricter gun laws?

A logical course of action in ending the violence, I believe, is not in allowing the victims to have guns to perpetuate the violence enacted upon them by the criminals. What must be done is to find a way to ensure there is no way criminals can illegally obtain guns, but how to go about doing that is unclear. I am certain a way could be discovered, however.

It makes it riskier for criminals. By his argument there should be many shootings at places like shooting ranges, gun shows. But we don't. Same with places with lots of gun control and less gun control. Example El Paso vs Juarez. Juarez have strict gun control their homicide is through the roof, meanwhile El Paso has far more lenient gun laws and their homicide is FRACTIONS of Juarez's.

QuoteSomething has to make it go away. Guns are a problem, plain and simple. Denying that is erring on the side of ignorance.

Stating that people need guns to defend themselves from criminals who have guns merely perpetuates the problem, because it ensures guns remain within society.

To completely remove guns from everyone, properly doing it so that no guns go underground to be illegally sold, is the only logical course at this point.

Again Our homicide has gone DOWN despite the increase of guns in circulation, increase in ownership, more states adopting concealed carry, Chicago and Washington DC lifting their handgun bans, the expiration of the Assault Weapons ban in 2004 etc.

Self Defense also outnumbers the crimes. 1.5 million by some stats. Even our most conservative estimate from the National Victimization Survey say that guns are used in self defense 30000-80000 times a year. That still outnumbers the crime (suicides and accidents don't count) which range from 9000-12000.

Do you Mr/Ms/Mrs Idiot think that criminals will just turn in their guns during your "buy back" or should I say steeling by proxy scheme? And you still want the police to have guns? That is Hypocrisy.

QuoteOf course, violence is going to persist, but it does not have to persist in the form of guns.

Stating that guns are needed just because the other guy illegally has one is not a valid reason for guns to remain, as far as I am concerned.

Criminals tend to choose guns because it is much easier to kill people with guns than with knives or stones. It also makes the kill impersonal. If there were no guns, I speculate that not many criminals will be too happy about having to use knives or stones to continue killing. In fact, they probably will not even go that route

And guns make it easier to defend yourself as I just proved with my self defense numbers. If that was the case murder rate in the UK should have gone down after their gun control acts but it got progressively WORSE.

Heres a graph of the UK murder rate: http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/england-full.png

Here is a list of gun control laws passed in the UK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

QuoteConsidering most mass shootings were done with legally obtained guns, I'd say banning guns from the law abiding would do more than the NRA would care to admit.

Kind of irrelevant because our mass shootings are decreasing. According to criminologist James Allen Fox of Northeastern University mass shootings have gone down from 42 during the 1990s and down to 26 during the 2000s.

Done with legal weapons? Tell me if you can get legal hand grenades in Europe: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16161746

QuoteI do not expect the government to get rid of their guns. I may not trust the government concerning many things, but I see no reason why the government cannot have guns. Only nutters think the government will go on a killing spree, killing civilians left and right.

Hiroshima? Nagasaki? The Iraq Sanctions? Obama's Drone Strikes? RING ANY BELLS?!! These people were talking about someone not in a government they would be considered mass murderer supporters, but since it is someone in their holy government, oh it's perfectly fine. Murderous hypocritical vipers anyone?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 07, 2013, 03:15:48 PM
Jesus Christ!  That murder rate is even worse than the US's during alcohol prohibition, or during the peak of the war on drugs!  So much for shchpendrop's crap about the UK having lower murder rates.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 07, 2013, 03:18:44 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 07, 2013, 02:51:21 PMKind of irrelevant because our mass shootings are decreasing. According to criminologist James Allen Fox of Northeastern University mass shootings have gone down from 42 during the 1990s and down to 26 during the 2000s.

Not only that but also cherry picking--the crimes were also done in Gun Free zones.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 07, 2013, 03:24:06 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 07, 2013, 03:15:48 PM
Jesus Christ!  That murder rate is even worse than the US's during alcohol prohibition, or during the peak of the war on drugs!  So much for shchpendrop's crap about the UK having lower murder rates.

As I said before the UK's rate was even lower prior to gun control.

Another popular argument is Australia, but this argument is flawed because. (Link Bellow)

https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=1889.msg18215#msg18215
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 07, 2013, 03:38:40 PM
@Skm1091:  Ah, thanks.

Back OT:
Something some folks (and I mean vastly desperate people here *cough*Conservaturd former friend *cough*) will do when I bring up a fallacy--say Ad Hominem--they just committed:   "hur! quit shooting latin at me! I dun know what the hell that means."
Um, dude...you're on the fucking internet.  Google that shit.  dictionary.com thefreedictionary.com hell, even fucking wikipedia are but mere keystrokes away.  There really is no excuse for that kind of crap.  It just reeks of someone going out of their way to avoid the obvious--willful ignorance.

It's like someone giving me a Christmas present wrapped in their used toilet paper--I don't even need to open it to know you're not even trying.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on December 07, 2013, 06:31:22 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 07, 2013, 02:51:21 PM
[spoiler]And here are my rebuttals. *Rub hands together*

Oh Yeah that prevented the Happy land Arsonists, or Timothy McVeigh with his fertilizer bomb.

Then how come the overall homicide rate in the has dropped by half?

It makes it riskier for criminals. By his argument there should be many shootings at places like shooting ranges, gun shows. But we don't. Same with places with lots of gun control and less gun control. Example El Paso vs Juarez. Juarez have strict gun control their homicide is through the roof, meanwhile El Paso has far more lenient gun laws and their homicide is FRACTIONS of Juarez's.

Again Our homicide has gone DOWN despite the increase of guns in circulation, increase in ownership, more states adopting concealed carry, Chicago and Washington DC lifting their handgun bans, the expiration of the Assault Weapons ban in 2004 etc.

Self Defense also outnumbers the crimes. 1.5 million by some stats. Even our most conservative estimate from the National Victimization Survey say that guns are used in self defense 30000-80000 times a year. That still outnumbers the crime (suicides and accidents don't count) which range from 9000-12000.

Do you Mr/Ms/Mrs Idiot think that criminals will just turn in their guns during your "buy back" or should I say steeling by proxy scheme? And you still want the police to have guns? That is Hypocrisy.

And guns make it easier to defend yourself as I just proved with my self defense numbers. If that was the case murder rate in the UK should have gone down after their gun control acts but it got progressively WORSE.

Heres a graph of the UK murder rate: http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/england-full.png

Here is a list of gun control laws passed in the UK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

Kind of irrelevant because our mass shootings are decreasing. According to criminologist James Allen Fox of Northeastern University mass shootings have gone down from 42 during the 1990s and down to 26 during the 2000s.

Done with legal weapons? Tell me if you can get legal hand grenades in Europe: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16161746

Hiroshima? Nagasaki? The Iraq Sanctions? Obama's Drone Strikes? RING ANY BELLS?!! These people were talking about someone not in a government they would be considered mass murderer supporters, but since it is someone in their holy government, oh it's perfectly fine. Murderous hypocritical vipers anyone?[/spoiler]
Silly Skm1091. Don't you know that gun control advocates don't care about pesky little things like "facts" and "evidence"? They're just like creationists. Which is funny because the gun control advocate I was arguing with was an atheist. Seriously, why is it that so many atheists support big government and gun control?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 07, 2013, 07:11:38 PM
Quote from: BreadGod on December 07, 2013, 06:31:22 PM
Silly Skm1091. Don't you know that gun control advocates don't care about pesky little things like "facts" and "evidence"? They're just like creationists. Which is funny because the gun control advocate I was arguing with was an atheist. Seriously, why is it that so many atheists support big government and gun control?

https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=1031.msg9704#msg9704
As Raymond Dundas said (NOT a fail):  "This is what I hate about you new atheists.  You support an authoritarian, paternalistic nanny state and yet you bitch and complain that your rights are being violated because a nativity scene is put up in the city park come Christmas time"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 07, 2013, 07:28:30 PM
Quote from: BreadGod on December 07, 2013, 06:31:22 PM
Silly Skm1091. Don't you know that gun control advocates don't care about pesky little things like "facts" and "evidence"? They're just like creationists. Which is funny because the gun control advocate I was arguing with was an atheist. Seriously, why is it that so many atheists support big government and gun control?

because they merely swapped one deity (or set of deities) for another: The Cult of the omnipotent state.

EDIT: I shortened it, just to be clear what I refer to. original was quoted by BreadGod
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on December 07, 2013, 07:31:41 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on December 07, 2013, 07:28:30 PM
because they merely swapped one deity (or set of deities) for another. So they in many ways, flat out worship the Government, or at least believe all solutions come with Government control.
Sometimes I wonder if most atheists worship the state in order to fill the void that was created in their hearts after they abandoned religion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 07, 2013, 07:39:29 PM
Quote from: BreadGod on December 07, 2013, 07:31:41 PM
Sometimes I wonder if most atheists worship the state in order to fill the void that was created in their hearts after they abandoned religion.
Reminds me of this win by Morrakiu (not fail):

[yt]O06acUXAOFQ[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 07, 2013, 07:47:22 PM
Quote from: BreadGod on December 07, 2013, 07:31:41 PM
Sometimes I wonder if most atheists worship the state in order to fill the void that was created in their hearts after they abandoned religion.

I doubt it is really a deliberate substitution, or even an active "worship" strictu sensu. and it may not necessarily be because they abandoned religion. I don't know frankly.

@ T dog: yeah, awesome song!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 07, 2013, 07:56:20 PM
Quote from: BreadGod on December 07, 2013, 06:31:22 PM
Silly Skm1091. Don't you know that gun control advocates don't care about pesky little things like "facts" and "evidence"? They're just like creationists. Which is funny because the gun control advocate I was arguing with was an atheist. Seriously, why is it that so many atheists support big government and gun control?

Their arguments in a nutshell: Waaaaaaah!!! think of the children Waaaaaaaaaah social good! Waaaaaaaaaah!!!!

Besides in a decade or two it probably won't even matter since.

http://blog.solidconcepts.com/industry-highlights/worlds-first-3d-printed-metal-gun/

Heck it doesn't even matter right now.

https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=1718.0

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 07, 2013, 08:26:35 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on December 07, 2013, 07:47:22 PM
I doubt it is really a deliberate substitution, or even an active "worship" strictu sensu. and it may not necessarily be because they abandoned religion. I don't know frankly.

@ T dog: yeah, awesome song!

I would suspect it's because they think that government (in whatever form) brings order to society.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on December 07, 2013, 11:11:49 PM
http://robertnielsen21.wordpress.com/2013/10/01/debunking-the-broken-window-fallacy/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on December 07, 2013, 11:25:48 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on December 06, 2013, 11:40:05 PM
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/5f3a6dca8d8f4df85282cef378d2de55/tumblr_mxaeqf0XVw1r4hl3go1_1280.png)

Perhaps this comic should be thoroughly debunked in the next podcast or by hawkeye?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 08, 2013, 01:12:31 AM
UGH!
(https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1489063_677569915599045_1364857130_n.jpg)
Liberals just love their strawmen.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 08, 2013, 02:28:26 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 08, 2013, 01:12:31 AM
UGH!
(https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1489063_677569915599045_1364857130_n.jpg)
Liberals just love their strawmen.

*deep breath* *long pause* screams into pillow* *deep breath* *long pause* screams into pillow* *deep breath* *long pause* screams into pillow*

Repeat for several hours
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 08, 2013, 08:17:23 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/1459261_719702088040772_856560062_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 08, 2013, 08:20:01 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 08, 2013, 01:12:31 AM
UGH!
(https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1489063_677569915599045_1364857130_n.jpg)
Liberals just love their strawmen.

Actually, that's EXACTLY what we want! We want a free market in both medicine and firearms. Affordable access to both by all. Liberals don't want either one!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 08, 2013, 10:06:33 AM
Quote from: tnu on December 08, 2013, 08:17:23 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/1459261_719702088040772_856560062_n.jpg)
No, that's socialism.  Unless you're not for your bogus "wealth redistribution" bullshit, OP.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 08, 2013, 01:52:57 PM
Quote from: tnu on December 08, 2013, 08:17:23 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/1459261_719702088040772_856560062_n.jpg)

*head desk* *head desk* *head desk* *head desk*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 08, 2013, 08:21:26 PM
Quote from: tnu on December 08, 2013, 08:17:23 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/1459261_719702088040772_856560062_n.jpg)

So...if the rich people in today's supposedly capitalist society didn't need to work for it...how come you guys don't just get rich the same way if it's really that easy?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on December 08, 2013, 09:10:32 PM
Quote from: tnu on December 08, 2013, 08:17:23 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/1459261_719702088040772_856560062_n.jpg)

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb70/Theliterator/epic-facepalm-when-you-just-know-you-messed-up-demotivational-poster-1253705267.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 08, 2013, 11:55:12 PM
being Liberal again!
(https://scontent-b-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1472952_10151856072776275_1984472910_n.jpg)
This why I hate having relatives that are liberal.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 09, 2013, 12:42:10 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on December 06, 2013, 11:40:05 PM
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/5f3a6dca8d8f4df85282cef378d2de55/tumblr_mxaeqf0XVw1r4hl3go1_1280.png)
I hate to say it but looking back, I can't not laugh at this.  It's just so over the top and silly.  It's like these guys are the South Park of political comics--no way it can be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on December 09, 2013, 02:35:16 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on December 02, 2013, 03:20:32 PM
[yt]aaZhI_u5CQ4[/yt]

The video itself is fail for being overly simplistic, but as per the norm, I wanted to direct you to some fail comments, today made by mouthpiece200, who takes the "Who will built the ROADS?" argument to new heights:

Okay, I have some fail, but I'm not sure who it belongs to.

The comments I made to mouthpiece200 on the above video are gone. Given mouthpiece200's comments are still up, in clear opposition to HowTheWorldWorks (the video owner), I presume mouthpiece marked them all as spam. Now, maybe I just haven't been paying attention, but I don't think I've even seen a spam-marked message since the recent overhaul, nor can I find an option to make spam-marked messages viewable, which suggests to me that YouTube actually has the larger share of fail in this situation.

Is there anyone willing to share some insight on this situation?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 09, 2013, 11:33:52 PM
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/s720x720/1459859_1444155022472921_1361864093_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 10, 2013, 10:52:18 AM
Warning: many, MANY fails in these comments: https://www.facebook.com/RichardDawkinsFoundation/posts/10152034406070155?comment_id=31064201&ref=notif&notif_t=like
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 10, 2013, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 10, 2013, 10:52:18 AM
Warning: many, MANY fails in these comments: https://www.facebook.com/RichardDawkinsFoundation/posts/10152034406070155?comment_id=31064201&ref=notif&notif_t=like
My personal fav: "No, it's worse. At least God/Religion are intended to make the world better, even if they don't exist/fail. Whereas markets are intended to do nothing im terms of social betterment - they are set up purely to ensure that the rich get richer." Yeah, massive fail.

Though your linking to that vid you made on atheism + libertarianism was a huge win...sadly, I think it fell on deaf ears. :(
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 10, 2013, 12:39:47 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 10, 2013, 12:37:48 PM
My personal fav: "No, it's worse. At least God/Religion are intended to make the world better, even if they don't exist/fail. Whereas markets are intended to do nothing im terms of social betterment - they are set up purely to ensure that the rich get richer." Yeah, massive fail.

Though your linking to that vid you made on atheism + libertarianism was a huge win...sadly, I think it fell on death ears. :(

I think you mean DEAF ears. :P

There are some other voices of reason in that thread, but only a few. Sadly, far too few.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 10, 2013, 12:41:29 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 10, 2013, 12:39:47 PM
I think you mean DEAF ears. :P

There are some other voices of reason in that thread, but only a few. Sadly, far too few.
Thanks.  Damn bogons. >_>

And yeah.  Hell, the amount of projection from the statists on that thread is *huge*.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 10, 2013, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 05, 2013, 06:15:46 AM
Also LOL at all of the humorless morons who are telling here there are two Rs in "libary."
In their defense, I don't get that joke either. ^^;
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on December 10, 2013, 12:53:54 PM
http://gawker.com/study-the-war-on-poverty-works-1480364346

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark--or rather, this study. Seems dubious to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 10, 2013, 03:18:22 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on December 10, 2013, 12:53:54 PM
http://gawker.com/study-the-war-on-poverty-works-1480364346

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark--or rather, this study. Seems dubious to me.

Well, for once they link the actual study - as opposed to just the abstract - and it's free, so that's a good start. That being said, I didn't see anything flawed with the study (that stood out); it just doesn't quite say what gawker says it does. (Well, in a sense it does - but not in the way gawker puts on)

All the authors did was include some resources and expenditures that aren't normally included in poverty studies, and came to the conclusion that overall, poverty has been reduced over the last 40 years. Then it says that various government programs have impacted some of that, which, from the angle being looked at, is true. It doesn't really say how much, though, or how much may have been from other factors. It also didn't look at the impact the *gifts* may or may not have on other segments of the population. Essentially, all it says is "If you give a beggar a dollar, he will be less poor than he was a moment ago."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 10, 2013, 03:21:26 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on December 10, 2013, 03:18:22 PM
Well, for once they link the actual study - as opposed to just the abstract - and it's free, so that's a good start. That being said, I didn't see anything flawed with the study (that stood out); it just doesn't quite say what gawker says it does. (Well, in a sense it does - but not in the way gawker puts on)

All the authors did was include some resources and expenditures that aren't normally included in poverty studies, and came to the conclusion that overall, poverty has been reduced over the last 40 years. Then it says that various government programs have impacted some of that, which, from the angle being looked at, is true. It doesn't really say how much, though, or how much may have been from other factors. It also didn't look at the impact the *gifts* may or may not have on other segments of the population. Essentially, all it says is "If you give a beggar a dollar, he will be less poor than he was a moment ago."

Does the PDF stop abruptly at page 25 for anyone else?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 10, 2013, 03:27:42 PM
I think that's the end of it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 10, 2013, 04:08:14 PM
It stops mid-sentence!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 10, 2013, 04:26:22 PM
Oh, so it does. Anyway, it appears that's all there is...maybe they intended to have a link there to the pay wall for the rest?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 10, 2013, 05:33:37 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on December 10, 2013, 03:18:22 PM
Well, for once they link the actual study - as opposed to just the abstract - and it's free, so that's a good start. That being said, I didn't see anything flawed with the study (that stood out); it just doesn't quite say what gawker says it does. (Well, in a sense it does - but not in the way gawker puts on)

All the authors did was include some resources and expenditures that aren't normally included in poverty studies, and came to the conclusion that overall, poverty has been reduced over the last 40 years. Then it says that various government programs have impacted some of that, which, from the angle being looked at, is true. It doesn't really say how much, though, or how much may have been from other factors. It also didn't look at the impact the *gifts* may or may not have on other segments of the population. Essentially, all it says is "If you give a beggar a dollar, he will be less poor than he was a moment ago."

something tells me this is like that Arthur L Kellerman study
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 10, 2013, 05:49:18 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 10, 2013, 05:33:37 PM
something tells me this is like that Arthur L Kellerman study

I'm not sure what your referring to, but probably.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 10, 2013, 06:02:57 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 10, 2013, 12:37:48 PM
My personal fav: "No, it's worse. At least God/Religion are intended to make the world better, even if they don't exist/fail. Whereas markets are intended to do nothing im terms of social betterment - they are set up purely to ensure that the rich get richer." Yeah, massive fail.

Though your linking to that vid you made on atheism + libertarianism was a huge win...sadly, I think it fell on deaf ears. :(

What about Vincent Blyth, who just said that TV ads and billboards were not voluntary?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on December 10, 2013, 06:29:05 PM
(http://leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/federal-vs-famiily-budget.png)

I bet hawkeye could get the idea to make a vid about social security from this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 10, 2013, 06:48:09 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on December 10, 2013, 06:29:05 PM
(http://leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/federal-vs-famiily-budget.png)

I bet hawkeye could get the idea to make a vid about social security from this.
Panel 1:  No.  No it isn't.
Panel 3:  And in the long run, neither can government.  Unless they think gov't can create wealth out of thin air....also, they do realize that paying for those things *didn't* always need a decent credit rating before govco starting interferring, right?
Panel 4:  Bullshit.  Govco robbed us to pay for grandma's SS.  Don't try and pull a lame switcheroo, OP.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 10, 2013, 07:01:13 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 10, 2013, 06:48:09 PM
Panel 1:  No.  No it isn't.
Panel 3:  And in the long run, neither can government.  Unless they think gov't can create wealth out of thin air....also, they do realize that paying for those things *didn't* always need a decent credit rating before govco starting interferring, right?
Panel 4:  Bullshit.  Govco robbed us to pay for grandma's SS.  Don't try and pull a lame switcheroo, OP.

Panel 2: Well, theoretically, you could .
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 10, 2013, 07:27:38 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on December 10, 2013, 07:01:13 PM
Panel 2: Well, theoretically, you could .
Aye.  But you'd go to jail if you did.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 10, 2013, 07:35:54 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 10, 2013, 07:27:38 PM
Aye.  But you'd go to jail if you did.

I don't see why. Corporations sell bonds. Incorporate your family and sell bonds. Not that anyone would buy them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 10, 2013, 07:44:53 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on December 10, 2013, 06:29:05 PM
(http://leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/federal-vs-famiily-budget.png)

I bet hawkeye could get the idea to make a vid about social security from this.

Is this some kind of satire?

Which one of these is meant to be the smart one according to them? They both sound retarded.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 10, 2013, 08:06:08 PM
Quote from: D on December 10, 2013, 07:44:53 PM
Is this some kind of satire?

Which one of these is meant to be the smart one according to them? They both sound retarded.

Yeah, It's kind of unclear to me, too. Given that it's called leftycartoons, I'd venture that the imbecile on the right is supposed to be the smart one.

But, in keeping with T Dog's format, some thoughts:

Panel 1 (a): No, it isn't. It's a little closer to a business budget, but not really.
             (b): Which is a separate thing from budgeting

Panel 3  (a): There's nothing stopping you from obtaining credit, it's just that at some point you have to pay it back.
              (b): There's lots of ways to fund these things, including (a).

Panel 4  (a): Who says we have to "start" with social security? I vote we start with the department of defense, and homeland security.
             
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 10, 2013, 08:13:43 PM
Quote from: D on December 10, 2013, 07:44:53 PM
Is this some kind of satire?

Which one of these is meant to be the smart one according to them? They both sound retarded.
Was it not from Lefty Cartoons, I'd have thought it was a parody too.
Hell, the entire premise of the comic seems to be government is magic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on December 11, 2013, 01:04:18 AM
Quote from: T dog on December 10, 2013, 08:13:43 PM
Was it not from Lefty Cartoons, I'd have thought it was a parody too.
Hell, the entire premise of the comic seems to be government is magic.

And statists wonder why we equate them with fundamentalists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on December 11, 2013, 01:28:52 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on December 10, 2013, 06:29:05 PM
(http://leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/federal-vs-famiily-budget.png)

I bet hawkeye could get the idea to make a vid about social security from this.
Wow. That comic is mind-bendingly stupid. At this point, I can't tell if Lefty Cartoons is trolling or serious.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 11, 2013, 02:54:21 PM
Quote from: BreadGod on December 11, 2013, 01:28:52 PM
Wow. That comic is mind-bendingly stupid. At this point, I can't tell if Lefty Cartoons is trolling or serious.

This guy has to trolling. I mean calling yourself lefty cartoons is too much of give away
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 11, 2013, 11:57:58 PM
I just saw the Tea Party episode of Family Guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Peter).

That gave me cancer.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 12, 2013, 12:19:14 AM
Quote from: D on December 11, 2013, 11:57:58 PM
I just saw the Tea Party episode of Family Guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Peter).

That gave me cancer.

As I asked before, So the only reason why you don't go murdering raping people is the fear of punishment huh? And you have the nerve to call yourself moral?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 12, 2013, 02:07:44 AM
(http://www.leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/teachers_unions1.png)

Again from lefty cartoon
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 12, 2013, 06:50:31 AM
is it just me or are they getting dumber?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2013, 07:40:17 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 12, 2013, 06:50:31 AM
is it just me or are they getting dumber?
No, bro.  It's not just you.  Holy shit.  I don't know whether to get mad, or just laugh at it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 12, 2013, 08:01:32 AM
andjust when Hawkeye was nicee nough to explain their mistakes to them from last time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on December 12, 2013, 09:58:52 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 12, 2013, 02:07:44 AM
(http://www.leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/teachers_unions1.png)

Again from lefty cartoon

The KKK was supported by the democratic party in its found, in case you didn't know that.

If you ask me someone should do an entire series debunking the lefty cartoons. Perhaps someone who has a youtube channel and whose name starts with Hawk. But who on earth could do that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 12, 2013, 01:21:36 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on December 12, 2013, 09:58:52 AM
The KKK was supported by the democratic party in its found, in case you didn't know that.

If you ask me someone should do an entire series debunking the lefty cartoons. Perhaps someone who has a youtube channel and whose name starts with Hawk. But who on earth could do that?

Hawkeye!!!! *superman theme*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 12, 2013, 02:37:43 PM
Eh, he's kind of a shity avenger.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 12, 2013, 03:27:31 PM
Quote from: Gumba Masta on December 12, 2013, 02:37:43 PM
Eh, he's kind of a shity avenger.

He stands for truth, justice, and leaving you alone to do whatevs.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 12, 2013, 03:34:33 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 12, 2013, 03:27:31 PM
He stands for truth, justice, and leaving you alone to do whatevs.
Kind of takes the avenging part out of avenger.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 12, 2013, 08:20:10 PM
That whole one is debunked in one swoop.

"Not as shitty as those guys" =/= moral or innocent.  The banksters are bad but at least they didn't engage in mass murder like the Nazis, therefore the banksters are saints.  See?  I can do that too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2013, 10:19:24 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 12, 2013, 02:07:44 AM
(http://www.leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/teachers_unions1.png)

Again from lefty cartoon
Just because the Teachers Unions didn't cause the economic crises, doesn't mean they don't suck.  Rapists didn't cause the economic crises, does this mean rapists are awesome and moral?  I didn't think so.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2013, 10:19:46 PM
http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/6665177-Comedian-learns-why-you-should-never-prank-cops/
The fail is the asshole cop being an asshole.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on December 12, 2013, 11:11:38 PM
I know most of you are atheists, but you all have to admit the fail here:

(http://i.imgur.com/4qh1JXa.jpg)

Oh yes, let's ignore the myriad of other geographical, demographical, political, social, and economic factors. Clearly what differentiates these two sets of countries is one thing and one thing only: people praying!

Why do I get the feeling that these same people would easily set this up as being capitalism vs. socialism. "Derp! Clearly socialism is better because boobies!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2013, 11:14:06 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on December 12, 2013, 11:11:38 PM
I know most of you are atheists, but you all have to admit the fail here:

(http://i.imgur.com/4qh1JXa.jpg)

Oh yes, let's ignore the myriad of other geographical, demographical, political, social, and economic factors. Clearly what differentiates these two sets of countries is one thing and one thing only: people praying!

Why do I get the feeling that these same people would easily set this up as being capitalism vs. socialism. “Derp! Clearly socialism is better because boobies!”
One annoyance, if not fail from the picture--they don't actually list the country names so we can actually look it up and investigate and research the stuff.
And yes, I know the bottom middle one is supposed to be Sweden, before anyone pipes up about that one. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 12, 2013, 11:22:12 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 12, 2013, 11:14:06 PM
One annoyance, if not fail from the picture--they don't actually list the country names so we can actually look it up and investigate and research the stuff.
And yes, I know the bottom middle one is supposed to be Sweden, before anyone pipes up about that one. :P

The pattern on the ladies bikinis is the flag of sweden.

(http://0.tqn.com/d/goscandinavia/1/0/G/-/-/-/sweden-flag.gif)

See the resemblance?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 12, 2013, 11:31:04 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on December 12, 2013, 11:11:38 PM
I know most of you are atheists, but you all have to admit the fail here:

(http://i.imgur.com/4qh1JXa.jpg)

Oh yes, let's ignore the myriad of other geographical, demographical, political, social, and economic factors. Clearly what differentiates these two sets of countries is one thing and one thing only: people praying!

Why do I get the feeling that these same people would easily set this up as being capitalism vs. socialism. “Derp! Clearly socialism is better because boobies!?

Some parts of the middle east used to be pretty progressive in terms of social freedoms. Iran pre 1979, Egypt was also pretty progressive during 60s and 70s.

There is also Lebanon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2013, 11:35:51 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 12, 2013, 11:22:12 PM
The pattern on the ladies bikinis is the flag of sweden.

(http://0.tqn.com/d/goscandinavia/1/0/G/-/-/-/sweden-flag.gif)

See the resemblance?

/Sigh
I suppose I walked right into that one, huh?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 13, 2013, 06:39:05 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on December 12, 2013, 11:11:38 PM
Oh yes, let's ignore the myriad of other geographical, demographical, political, social, and economic factors. Clearly what differentiates these two sets of countries is one thing and one thing only: people praying!

Not to mention the fact that at least some of those "most religious places in the world"—Iran, for example—would be modern industrialized societies if it weren't for US and UK intervention.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 14, 2013, 11:27:05 AM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7950443264/hEF70C4FB/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 14, 2013, 11:48:23 AM
Quote from: nilecroc on December 14, 2013, 11:27:05 AM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7950443264/hEF70C4FB/)
In the immortal words of many a professor/teacher/TA--show your work!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 14, 2013, 03:19:41 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1479383_10151869399626275_1700212245_n.jpg)

Then, here's an idea. How about the government stop taxing you so you can afford healthcare yourself!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 14, 2013, 03:40:37 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 14, 2013, 03:19:41 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1479383_10151869399626275_1700212245_n.jpg)

Then, here's an idea. How about the government stop taxing you so you can afford healthcare yourself!

Because there are those that are worried that you might spend your money on something other than those things that the approve of?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 14, 2013, 06:12:41 PM
(http://leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/really_good_careers_color.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 14, 2013, 06:21:56 PM
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0058/0058_01.asp

My head is spinning from the stupid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 15, 2013, 12:00:50 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 14, 2013, 06:21:56 PM
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0058/0058_01.asp

My head is spinning from the stupid.

They just keep getting worse, don't they?  They had Kent Hovind rewrite one once, and he actually managed to make it more stupid than it had been before (despite his approximately 6th grade writing skills).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 15, 2013, 12:12:23 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on December 15, 2013, 12:00:50 AM
They just keep getting worse, don't they?  They had Kent Hovind rewrite one once, and he actually managed to make it more stupid than it had been before (despite his approximately 6th grade writing skills).
Tell me about it.  I once was a regular on a forum (long defunct) where a guy actually used one of the anti-gay ones as an argument against gay marriage (and no, it wasn't a religious board either) completely out in the open with a straight face and un-ironically...I wasn't exactly thinking the guy as that smart/virtuous/etc to begin with, but you can bet I thought even less of him after that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 15, 2013, 12:51:16 AM
Quote from: T dog on December 15, 2013, 12:12:23 AM
Tell me about it.  I once was a regular on a forum (long defunct) where a guy actually used one of the anti-gay ones as an argument against gay marriage (and no, it wasn't a religious board either) completely out in the open with a straight face and un-ironically...I wasn't exactly thinking the guy as that smart/virtuous/etc to begin with, but you can bet I thought even less of him after that.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on December 15, 2013, 02:46:39 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 14, 2013, 06:21:56 PM
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0058/0058_01.asp

My head is spinning from the stupid.

I actually shared that for one of my Halloween posts! :D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 15, 2013, 02:51:14 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 15, 2013, 12:51:16 AM
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The video directed at me, or the person I am talking about? .-.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 15, 2013, 03:07:23 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 15, 2013, 02:51:14 PM
The video directed at me, or the person I am talking about? .-.

person you are talking about
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 15, 2013, 03:32:46 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html
I haven't read this, but I suspect the fail is strong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 15, 2013, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 15, 2013, 03:32:46 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html
I haven't read this, but I suspect the fail is strong.

Well, the title itself is fail central, even if every word of the article that follows was true. (Which it isn't)

Introduction: Even if these comments were made, they were about a specific person in a specific situation; not "women".

Claim 5: "We were told that society owes us a hot girl" - Bullshit. If I've ever been told anything on the matter, it's the opposite of that.

Claim 4: "We're trained to see you as a decoration" - Again, Bullshit. Some people may see women as decoration, but it's not the majority, and there is no training involved.

Claim 3: "We think you're conspiring with our boners to ruin us" - This does happen, but no one thinks it's every woman in every situation.

Claim 2: " We think manhood has been stolen from us at some point" - Isn't worthy of a response. Bullshit.

Claim 1: "We feel powerless" - In some circumstances, everyone does at some point, but it doesn't make anyone "hate women". At most, it may make someone hate "that woman".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on December 15, 2013, 10:09:38 PM
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its like when theist bring up "evidence" of creationism or against evolution really.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 15, 2013, 10:32:12 PM
People who bitch about free riders. If they aren't do anything to you, then stop fucking bitching about them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on December 16, 2013, 12:29:42 AM
[yt]7OtSVPo9f6Y[/yt]

maoistrebelnews everybody
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 16, 2013, 10:29:26 AM
[yt]IYNaEM2O5pU[/yt]

Why do people always bitch about child labor in countries like China? What do they think the alternative is? These sane people support compulsory "education" where kids waste 18 yeas of their lives to learn mostly useless things the'll forget anyways, so it makes no god damn sense. Also, the video just isn't funny.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 17, 2013, 05:07:20 PM
Just saw a video that claimed obesity is a disorder. Apparently you're suppose to  stay skinny when you eat a lot and sit on your ass all day.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 17, 2013, 05:29:18 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on December 17, 2013, 05:07:20 PM
Just saw a video that claimed obesity is a disorder. Apparently you're suppose to  stay skinny when you eat a lot and sit on your ass all day.

oddly enough that's how it works for me for some reason.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 17, 2013, 06:13:38 PM
Joe haggs
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 17, 2013, 06:29:46 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on December 16, 2013, 10:29:26 AM
[yt]IYNaEM2O5pU[/yt]

Why do people always bitch about child labor in countries like China? What do they think the alternative is? These sane people support compulsory "education" where kids waste 18 yeas of their lives to learn mostly useless things the'll forget anyways, so it makes no god damn sense. Also, the video just isn't funny.

this is China...the alternative is not a shitty educational system, but starvation. work early, or starve. their call, not people in America....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 18, 2013, 10:03:59 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-valuable-lessons-you-only-learn-from-having-crappy-job/
"By Winston Rowntree"
Aka, the same pillock who made that article on the okcupid profile of the guy with a sword.  You know this is going to suck!
To give you a taste:  The title of #4 gets a big fat "No shit Sherlock!" from me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 18, 2013, 10:52:50 AM
http://kotaku.com/heres-what-youtube-has-to-say-to-angry-youtubers-1485168478?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow
Yes, it's Kotaku.  But the fail isn't from them for once!  It's the screencap of YouTube/Google's response to the whole Content ID Matching and LP shitstorm going around.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 18, 2013, 12:02:57 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 18, 2013, 10:52:50 AM
http://kotaku.com/heres-what-youtube-has-to-say-to-angry-youtubers-1485168478?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow
Yes, it's Kotaku.  But the fail isn't from them for once!  It's the screencap of YouTube/Google's response to the whole Content ID Matching and LP shitstorm going around.
"ITT: Gamer entitlement at it's finest, people who don't understand how copyrights work and how they affect one of the most visible websites on the internet, bandwagon jumpers, and people who think they are "against the man". Which one are you?"
This jackass hasn't heard of fair use has he?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 18, 2013, 12:13:35 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on December 18, 2013, 12:02:57 PM
"ITT: Gamer entitlement at it's finest, people who don't understand how copyrights work and how they affect one of the most visible websites on the internet, bandwagon jumpers, and people who think they are "against the man". Which one are you?"
This jackass hasn't heard of fair use has he?
And to that, I point to my example in fav quotes of a guy who's video of his OWN GAME was taken down.
Also, I love how it's "being paid for your hard work" when it's a government monopoly, but "gamer entitlement" when it's being against the abuse of the latter.  Projection, much, OP?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 18, 2013, 12:25:32 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on December 17, 2013, 06:29:46 PM
this is China...the alternative is not a shitty educational system, but starvation. work early, or starve. their call, not people in America....
I'v actually had people tell me that though. It usually goes like this:"Kids need to know how ti read and right, therefore 1/5 of their lives should be wasted in school for 5 days a week 7+hrs a day to learn stuff they clearly have no interest in and teach little to no real world skills."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 18, 2013, 01:13:57 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on December 18, 2013, 12:25:32 PM
I'v actually had people tell me that though. It usually goes like this:"Kids need to know how ti read and right, therefore 1/5 of their lives should be wasted in school for 5 days a week 7+hrs a day to learn stuff they clearly have no interest in and teach little to no real world skills."

Perhaps ironically, when the school system was set up, it was to teach the real world skills that were needed at that time. It actually had little to do with the subjects being taught (that was a secondary consideration).

What the students are/were supposed to be learning is:

1. How to follow orders.
2. How to work as groups to produce a product.
3. How to be indistinguishable from the next guy on the line.
4. How to do repetitive tasks for several hours a day.

It should be understood that in the 1920's and 30's, it was assumed that only those who couldn't afford another option for education would be going to state schools. Of those that did, it was expected that they would a) become farmers, b) become soldiers, c) get a job at the factory. Back then, "normal" was you got a job out of high school (or sometimes middle school) and you worked there until you retired forty-some years later.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on December 18, 2013, 03:40:09 PM
Former NSA and CIA director Michael Hayden continues to bring the stupid in this interview with Meet the Press.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3032608/#53837084 (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3032608/#53837084)

Here's the biggest bit of bogosity:

Quote"This was all done according to the Madisonian formula. President authorized, the legislature legislated and the courts oversaw."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 18, 2013, 04:00:14 PM
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/1480667_333856030087470_711773541_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on December 18, 2013, 04:08:10 PM
Quote from: D on December 18, 2013, 04:00:14 PM
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/1480667_333856030087470_711773541_n.jpg)
I want to explain to the cartoonist why the minimum wage actually hurts the people it tries to help, but he'll refuse to understand it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 18, 2013, 06:06:22 PM
[yt]WQDW1C1r-h0[/yt]

Nostalgia Critic's arguments here are just very lame.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 19, 2013, 07:11:35 AM
Quote from: BreadGod on December 18, 2013, 04:08:10 PM
I want to explain to the cartoonist why the minimum wage actually hurts the people it tries to help, but he'll refuse to understand it.

Explain to him that the rich fat cats WANT a higher Minimum Wage and the small businesses are the ones hurt by it and watch his head go asplodey.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on December 19, 2013, 03:19:24 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 19, 2013, 07:11:35 AM
Explain to him that the rich fat cats WANT a higher Minimum Wage and the small businesses are the ones hurt by it and watch his head go asplodey.

Reminds me of when I tried to explain this to ShiniHLaser on some YT comments about 3-4 months ago. It was telling, to be sure.

For the record, I've brought up Mr. Laser's comments twice (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=315.msg19326#msg19326) before (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=315.msg19340#msg19340), I just didn't bring up this detail because he emitted a LOT of bogons.

[yt]hWTFG3J1CP8[/yt]

Altimadark
...businesses lobby govt for regulations which give them a competitive advantage; for example, Wal-Mart lobbies to increase minimum wage. Do you have any response to this?

ShiniHLaser
Bullshit. When Washington, DC wanted to create a living minimum wage, Wal-Mart's response was to threaten the city to stop construction of three new Wal-Marts in the DC area. But hey, obviously they love it so much they will try to hold jobs as hostage to ensure it isn't raised, right?

Yes, Wal-Mart lobbied for an increase in the minimum wage back in 2005. Check out "Wal-Mart backs hike to minimum wage" and "Wal-Mart calls for minimum wage hike". Would you like to reconsider a response to this?

He (sic) called for a minimum wage hike so other people who work for other companies have more disposable income to spend at Wal-Mart...It is a double standard.

So by recognizing the double-standard, do you understand my point? That corps lobby govt for favorable regulations in order to gain a competitive advantage?

It isn't competitive advantage. It a way to make more profits...So, how about this, kid. I am done with my lunch break, so how about we stop...and you acknowledge that big business hates the minimum wage overall.

There is more for those willing to dig through YT's comment system, but trust me when I tell you Mr. Laser's comments do nothing to make him look any smarter.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 19, 2013, 03:29:47 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on December 19, 2013, 03:19:24 PM
Reminds me of when I tried to explain this to ShiniHLaser on some YT comments about 3-4 months ago. It was telling, to be sure.

For the record, I've brought up Mr. Laser's comments twice (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=315.msg19326#msg19326) before (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=315.msg19340#msg19340), I just didn't bring up this detail because he emitted a LOT of bogons.

[yt]hWTFG3J1CP8[/yt]

Altimadark
...businesses lobby govt for regulations which give them a competitive advantage; for example, Wal-Mart lobbies to increase minimum wage. Do you have any response to this?

ShiniHLaser
Bullshit. When Washington, DC wanted to create a living minimum wage, Wal-Mart's response was to threaten the city to stop construction of three new Wal-Marts in the DC area. But hey, obviously they love it so much they will try to hold jobs as hostage to ensure it isn't raised, right?

Yes, Wal-Mart lobbied for an increase in the minimum wage back in 2005. Check out "Wal-Mart backs hike to minimum wage" and "Wal-Mart calls for minimum wage hike". Would you like to reconsider a response to this?

He (sic) called for a minimum wage hike so other people who work for other companies have more disposable income to spend at Wal-Mart...It is a double standard.

So by recognizing the double-standard, do you understand my point? That corps lobby govt for favorable regulations in order to gain a competitive advantage?

It isn't competitive advantage. It a way to make more profits...So, how about this, kid. I am done with my lunch break, so how about we stop...and you acknowledge that big business hates the minimum wage overall.

There is more for those willing to dig through YT's comment system, but trust me when I tell you Mr. Laser's comments do nothing to make him look any smarter.
So which is it, ShiniHLaser?  Do they want to lower costs of workers or do they want to give the workers of other companies more income to spend at their corporation?  Those two are mutually exclusive--either they hate it because of the former or they love it because of the latter.  Consistency would be nice!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 19, 2013, 03:31:27 PM
Speaking of fail, thanks DeviantART!

(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/260/4/1/anarcho_capitalism_by_valendale-d6mqnl1.jpg)
(I don't think those words mean what you think they do, OP)

(http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/288/e/b/anarcho_capitalist_freedom_by_party9999999-d5hnara.png)
(I bet if I explained to him that the rich fat cats WANT those regulations because of the small businesses they have for competition are not as easily absorb the costs of compliance and therefore hurt them that his head would go asplodey.)

I know that as an art site I probably shouldn't expect much win, but damn.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 19, 2013, 05:52:28 PM
The simple question: If it's really that bad, why are they working there in a free society?  Not to say conditions are neccessarily good but it's something they ought to consider.  Why are people working there anyway?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 19, 2013, 06:49:38 PM
[yt]3z2KfPZXmOE[/yt]

I think this one is for you Hawkeye.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 19, 2013, 07:14:43 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 19, 2013, 06:49:38 PM
[yt]3z2KfPZXmOE[/yt]

I think this one is for you Hawkeye.

The description says it all:

"I'm just genuinely curious about how anarcho capitalists / libertarians envision a stateless society without everything derailing into might makes right and the reign of the rich.

Personally while I like the concept of a free society from an idealistic point of view, I see the state as a necessary evil. Even with government regulations we already have corporations exploiting people, trying to eliminate competition and accumulating as much wealth, resources and power as possible.

So if you think an anarcho capitalist society would work, I would appreciate if you explained how you envision it. Who or what prevents any individual or group from becoming too powerful? How do you prevent warlords from rising to power? How are conflicts resolved without law enforcement, or even laws at all?"

The same tired, hackneyed bullshit we've all heard and refuted a thousand times.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 20, 2013, 07:05:45 AM
So I've noticed something during my years on the internet.  Of the furries who are politically inclined, the vast majority are leftists.  There's a bunch of conservative ones too, with Mike The Cat on DeviantART being a good example of this, but there are others.  But libertarian furs--much less anarcho capitalist ones?  I've only seen like, 2-3 around.
Jason Fennec (FlowCell)
MotionFur (username of a an-cap fur on YouTube who seems to be M.I.A. for some reason).
And this guy I knew way back when named FenrisRedWolf on DA (He was the first person to tell me that my US Gov't teacher was full of shit when she said that libertarians are on the extreme right).
At least until I checked out his account again and saw this journal which is the reason I put this post in fail quotes:  http://fenrisdesigns.deviantart.com/journal/Giving-up-on-libertarians-222697322

Quote from: FenrisAfter some four or five years and plenty of consideration, I think I'll step away from promoting libertarians or their respective party. Why?

1: The slow realization that yes, most of them are the non-moderate stereotypes you see on TV.
2: Unwillingness to side with those who so openly associate with closet confederates like Ron Paul, blatant Neo-Confederates like Lew Rockwell, and anti-Semites like Alex Jones.
3: Getting sick and tired of having to explain that yes, I like roads, schools, and running water.

Meaning right now I'm...something. I'll figure it out later. Back to my cage.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on December 20, 2013, 01:59:55 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 19, 2013, 03:29:47 PM
So which is it, ShiniHLaser?  Do they want to lower costs of workers or do they want to give the workers of other companies more income to spend at their corporation?  Those two are mutually exclusive--either they hate it because of the former or they love it because of the latter.  Consistency would be nice!

Oh, that thing about Wal-Mart fighting DC's attempt to legislate a living wage? Yeah, Mr. Laser didn't make that up, that was actually going on at the time. Mr. Laser even recognized that said legislation was meant to target larger business like Wal-Mart (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/franklin-garcia/the-large-retailer-accoun_b_3655607.html)  (also Home Depot and Macy's, among others). His fail is when he cherry-picked this example to prove "big business hates the minimum wage overall."

In recent news, DC is again talking about raising the minimum wage (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/17/d-c-council-passes-bill-to-increase-citys-minimum-wage-to-11-50-an-hour/), this time across the board. Wal-Mart is barely protesting at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 20, 2013, 02:29:44 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on December 20, 2013, 01:59:55 PM
Oh, that thing about Wal-Mart fighting DC's attempt to legislate a living wage? Yeah, Mr. Laser didn't make that up, that was actually going on at the time. Mr. Laser even recognized that said legislation was meant to target larger business like Wal-Mart (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/franklin-garcia/the-large-retailer-accoun_b_3655607.html)  (also Home Depot and Macy's, among others). His fail is when he cherry-picked this example to prove "big business hates the minimum wage overall."

In recent news, DC is again talking about raising the minimum wage (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/17/d-c-council-passes-bill-to-increase-citys-minimum-wage-to-11-50-an-hour/), this time across the board. Wal-Mart is barely protesting at all.
/boggle
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 20, 2013, 03:15:29 PM
You know, in all the years I've been hearing about how terrible being an employee at Walmart, McDonalds, and other large-chain type places is supposed to be - I've yet to find any evidence that they are anything other than places that hire workers at the skill level for those jobs.

Of course it's not going to be the highest paying job in the country. The job is: stand there, scan the item, collect the money, bag the purchase.

It's also amazing how often I read about the "lack of benefits"/ "non-living wage" . I have two relatives that work at Walmart, one is a cashier (She gets a little more than $10/hr, has insurance, has a retirement plan, has vacation, etc.) the other works in the distribution center (15/hr, all of the above). So, I don't get what all the bitching is about.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 20, 2013, 05:24:47 PM
http://levite.deviantart.com/art/Can-t-Find-God-195833790

Okay in all fairness this was more funny to me than anything.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 20, 2013, 05:30:44 PM
And not to be outdone:
http://catthylove.deviantart.com/art/Stamp-You-fucking-plebs-355335275
Note the description too.  It is just painful.

"Yeah, I just love it when people say that "feminism is sexism" or other stupid bullshit.

BUT BAAAAW!11 i'M N EQUALIZT!11 NUT A FEMINIST!11:
Feminism IS a form of equalism, you ignorant fuck. Without it, we wouldn't even BE where we are today.

BUT BAAAAW!11 I'M A GIRL AGANST FEMINAZISM!11:
...
WHOOP-DE-FUCKING-DO FOR YOU!

BUT BAAAAW!11 mEN NEED RIGHTS 2!11:
Men need rights? Feminists are fight for the rights of men AND women.

Don't fucking ask me questions about this. Everything I've learnt is from my own fucking research. Wanna know if it's sexism or not? Instead of questioning me, do your own fucking research, too."

Damnit, I wish I could drink alcohol. XD
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 20, 2013, 05:32:09 PM
Man, gotta love DA.  There's enough terribad fail to make another one of these threads and have it be even bigger.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 20, 2013, 06:12:49 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on December 20, 2013, 03:15:29 PM
It's also amazing how often I read about the "lack of benefits"/ "non-living wage" . I have two relatives that work at Walmart, one is a cashier (She gets a little more than $10/hr, has insurance, has a retirement plan, has vacation, etc.) the other works in the distribution center (15/hr, all of the above). So, I don't get what all the bitching is about.

Childish greed is all it is.  I work a minimum wage job and produce a surplus every month.  It's called being financially responsible.  No amount of wage increases would ever help these folks because they'd just blow it all on junk they don't need anyway.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 20, 2013, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 20, 2013, 05:32:09 PM
Man, gotta love DA.  There's enough terribad fail to make another one of these threads and have it be even bigger.

Actually, that's not a bad idea. Start a thread called Deviant Art Fails. Then we can keep the fails that someone might actually run into... you know in some kinda media someone actually reads, from the fail you have to look under the rock (aka deviant art) to find.  ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 20, 2013, 07:20:11 PM
so to avoid might makes right and rule by the3 rich we need to give a small group of rich people a rig ht to use their might against others with impunity?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 22, 2013, 08:28:24 AM
http://www.naturalnews.com/
I could post a single article, but let's be honest.  This whole site is one big fail quote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on December 22, 2013, 01:26:48 PM
http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/

I want to say this is your typical feminist rambling about how "all men are rapists", but somehow, I'd think most feminists would read this and think it's bat guano insane.

I'm putting this in a spoiler since this content is somewhat NSFW, but for the most part, it's merely biological terms. In short, "all sex is rape!"

[spoiler]
QuoteIf we look at the act in more detail (skip this parag if you can't take it), PIV is a man mounting on a woman to thrust a large member of himself into her most intimate parts, often forcing her to be entirely naked, banging himself against her with the whole weight of his body and hips, shaking her like he would stuff a corpse, then using her insides as a receptacle for his penile dejection. How is this a normal civilised, respectful way to treat anyone? Sorry for the explicit picture, but this is what it is and it's absolutely revolting and violating.

...The fact intercourse causes so many infections and tears and warts attests to the unnaturalness of intercourse, that it's not meant to be. The vagina's primary function isn't to be penetrated by a penis but to eject a baby for birth. They are two muscle tissues / sphincters pressed against each other to help the baby be pushed out. Penetration of the penis into the vagina is completely unnecessary for conception.
[/spoiler]

Sheesh! At least Catholics believe sex should at least be used for procreation. Feminists think all sex is bad!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 22, 2013, 07:31:14 PM
(http://www.leragecomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/veteran-rage-640x944.png)
>>Most veterans are anti-war.
Actions speak louder than words, OP.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 22, 2013, 07:44:51 PM
(http://www.leragecomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/standards-640x236.png)

Yeah, I call bullshit.  Single Mothers are raised up on freakin' pedastools in this culture, while single fathers are spat on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 23, 2013, 11:00:08 AM
Quote from: T dog on December 22, 2013, 07:44:51 PM
(http://www.leragecomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/standards-640x236.png)

Yeah, I call bullshit.  Single Mothers are raised up on freakin' pedastools in this culture, while single fathers are spat on.

I can attest to this personally.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BogosityForumUser on December 23, 2013, 02:20:57 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 23, 2013, 11:00:08 AM
I can attest to this personally.

Sadly, I think this is a race thing.  Single black mothers are sluts who sleep around; single black fathers are heroes who didn't run; single white mothers are hard workers doing their best in spite of long odds; single white fathers have some ulterior motive or neglect their kids due to work.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 23, 2013, 02:57:22 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/06/salinas_v_texas_right_to_remain_silent_supreme_court_right_to_remain_silent.html

Anyone else wonder why people rely on the supreme court so much?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 23, 2013, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on December 23, 2013, 02:57:22 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/06/salinas_v_texas_right_to_remain_silent_supreme_court_right_to_remain_silent.html

Anyone else wonder why people rely on the supreme court so much?

Covered on the podcast: http://podcast.bogosity.tv/bogosity-podcast-for-24-june-2013/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on December 23, 2013, 04:45:50 PM
Are you ready for some false equivalency?

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-52a69c41/turbine/la-na-tt-minimum-wage-20131209-001/600)

Source: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-minimum-wage-20131209,0,5145274.story#axzz2nTaUWyRa (http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-minimum-wage-20131209,0,5145274.story#axzz2nTaUWyRa)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 23, 2013, 06:05:12 PM
[yt]IHjlN5lzCjM[/yt]

This disgusts me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 23, 2013, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: D on December 23, 2013, 06:05:12 PM
[yt]IHjlN5lzCjM[/yt]

This disgusts me.

*goes to kitchen* *grabs two fork* *jam them into eye sockets* *scream*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 23, 2013, 07:17:15 PM
Quote from: D on December 23, 2013, 06:05:12 PM
[yt]IHjlN5lzCjM[/yt]

This disgusts me.

What the fuck was that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 23, 2013, 07:24:52 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on December 23, 2013, 07:17:15 PM
What the fuck was that?
A TSA propaganda video directed at children.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 23, 2013, 07:41:09 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 23, 2013, 07:24:52 PM
A TSA propaganda video directed at children.

well, it's natural that all the characters are dogs (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kalb)....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 23, 2013, 07:45:33 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 23, 2013, 07:24:52 PM
A TSA propaganda video directed at children.

Obviously, but what was the point?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 23, 2013, 07:47:11 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on December 23, 2013, 07:45:33 PM
Obviously, but what was the point?
I would tell you if I watched it.  I only knew what I did because D told me and tried to show it to me before he posted here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 23, 2013, 08:38:08 PM
Quote from: D on December 23, 2013, 06:05:12 PM
[yt]IHjlN5lzCjM[/yt]

This disgusts me.
[yt]_n5E7feJHw0[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 24, 2013, 12:32:10 PM
[yt]KWlCbOEexAs[/yt]

Fuck the lady at the end!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 24, 2013, 12:55:47 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 24, 2013, 12:32:10 PM
[yt]KWlCbOEexAs[/yt]

Fuck the lady at the end!

Does she REALLY think that Shaken Baby Syndrome happens from playfully tossing a kid up, like pretty much every parent ever has done? You have to shake a kid REALLY HARD, REPEATEDLY, to cause the internal damage to the brain, retina, and blood vessels that represents SBS.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 24, 2013, 02:01:59 PM
Found this one on Shane's Google+ page:

[yt]7OtSVPo9f6Y[/yt]

It's from a guy whose channel was originally called "MaoistRebelNews2".  I think I'll let that speak for itself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 24, 2013, 02:04:24 PM
And when I saw this, I had to post it here:

[yt]NQVYhFHOZ5w[/yt]

>>Private Prisons
Sorry, but as long as they're getting taxpayer money--and only have the prisoners they do from the state that feeds them more victims via bogus laws like the war on drugs/prostitution/gambling/guns/etc--you don't get to call them that.  Hell his OWN example in the video's description was a government worker--a judge--who was corrupt, so if anything it's an argument against the state moreso than a free market.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 24, 2013, 03:07:59 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 24, 2013, 02:04:24 PM
And when I saw this, I had to post it here:

[yt]NQVYhFHOZ5w[/yt]

>>Private Prisons
Sorry, but as long as they're getting taxpayer money--and only have the prisoners they do from the state that feeds them more victims via bogus laws like the war on drugs/prostitution/gambling/guns/etc--you don't get to call them that.  Hell his OWN example in the video's description was a government worker--a judge--who was corrupt, so if anything it's an argument against the state moreso than a free market.
Haven't you heard? Calling something private makes it evil, and calling it public makes it good. It's libby logic 101.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on December 24, 2013, 03:12:20 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 24, 2013, 02:01:59 PM
Found this one on Shane's Google+ page:

[yt]7OtSVPo9f6Y[/yt]

It's from a guy whose channel was originally called "MaoistRebelNews2".  I think I'll let that speak for itself.

Perhaps Hawkeye or shane could debunk this vid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 24, 2013, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on December 24, 2013, 03:12:20 PM
Perhaps Hawkeye or shane could debunk this vid.

I think Shane already did.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on December 24, 2013, 08:00:46 PM
Really? Where?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 24, 2013, 09:00:08 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on December 24, 2013, 08:00:46 PM
Really? Where?

I thought the debunking was included when Shane posted it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 25, 2013, 02:07:10 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/15/1599631/no-chicago-isnt-proof-that-gun-regulation-doesnt-work/

Oh my fucking head.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 25, 2013, 05:15:13 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 25, 2013, 02:07:10 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/15/1599631/no-chicago-isnt-proof-that-gun-regulation-doesnt-work/

Oh my fucking head.

do you require trepanning?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 25, 2013, 06:13:03 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on December 25, 2013, 05:15:13 PM
do you require trepanning?

I will need more than that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 25, 2013, 06:29:07 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 25, 2013, 02:07:10 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/15/1599631/no-chicago-isnt-proof-that-gun-regulation-doesnt-work/

Oh my fucking head.

The Milky Way is not an island... ::)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 25, 2013, 06:40:58 PM
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You got to see the responses to me on this vid.

Look for Jeremy Smith and then  click view all responses.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on December 25, 2013, 07:36:53 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 25, 2013, 02:07:10 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/15/1599631/no-chicago-isnt-proof-that-gun-regulation-doesnt-work/

Oh my fucking head.

Ah yes, this tired argument. "The problem isn't that Chicago's gun laws are too strict, it's that out-of-state gun laws are too lax!" And of course, they never bother to look at said states' crime rates while calling them a problem.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 25, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on December 25, 2013, 07:36:53 PM
Ah yes, this tired argument. "The problem isn't that Chicago's gun laws are too strict, it's that out-of-state gun laws are too lax!" And of course, they never bother to look at said states' crime rates while calling them a problem.

I have to ask them this. Even if the criminal gangs are getting their guns from states or counties with laxer laws, why do the places with the laxer laws, have lower murder and violent crime rates?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 25, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 25, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
I have to ask them this. Even if the criminal gangs are getting their guns from states or counties with laxer laws, why do the places with the laxer laws, have lower murder and violent crime rates?

Because there's a better chance the potential victim is armed?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 25, 2013, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on December 25, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
Because there's a better chance the potential victim is armed?

Also why did the murder rates go down after the Washington DC and Chicago Handgun Bans were lifted?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 25, 2013, 09:41:38 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 25, 2013, 09:34:54 PM
Also why did the murder rates go down after the Washington DC and Chicago Handgun Bans were lifted?

Essentially, the same reason. You don't pick the prey that's stronger than you, or the prey that's equal to you. You pick the weakest of the herd. This happens in nature too.

In this case, you have a gun. So, does half of herd A. There's a ban on gun in herd B. Which one are you going to hunt in?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 26, 2013, 12:50:00 AM
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Matthew East said.

QuoteNot entirely interested in the US, Merely bring truthful facts into the debate were the NRA will go and cherry pick from various years to make their case...

That being said, We should stay out of US domestic affairs? Like the US stays out of the domestic affairs of every other nation on earth...

I responded with

QuoteLike the guys who only point to gun crime and not look at all the crime across the board?. Or saying that gun control works even when the country with an already low crime rate was even lower PRIOR to gun control and then rose to a higher rate after gun control was passed?

Say's the Australian that has sent troops to the East Timor, Iraq and Afghanistan?

He then response with

QuoteOh I'm happy to look at crime across the board, Choose the area and Ill gladly talk about it.

Gun control does work in Australia, As has been pointed out by many people but gun advocates continue to ignore the homicide rate rose for a short period then has since crashed to lower then before the new gun laws. On top of that, Not a single massacre in almost 2 decades and the last school shooting I can recall was at Monash in 2002.. Yet the US has had how many massacres and school shooting this year? Deaths from school shootings to date for 2010-2013 are at 78 with another 86 injured.

As for were Australia sent its troops, Iraq was based on false information given to us by the US (thanks a lot) and Afghanistan was due to their part in the attack on the US so we were backing you guys up when it was right to do so. East Timor, That has to be the stupidest argument you could have used, They were invaded by forces supported by Indonesia against the wishes of the majority of the populace, We sent in Peace keepers to protect them. Try again mate


Oh my god this guy is using the same reason that bush invaded Iraq for the Australian intervention in East Timor. I swear these people are some of the biggest hypocrites around.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 26, 2013, 11:10:56 AM
People who complain about commercialism during Christmas.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 26, 2013, 11:19:22 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 26, 2013, 12:50:00 AM
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Matthew East said.

I responded with

He then response with


Oh my god this guy is using the same reason that bush invaded Iraq for the Australian intervention in East Timor. I swear these people are some of the biggest hypocrites around.
Is this the same country that censors everything that offends it's dear leaders and has bullshit hate speech laws? But I feel better that their murder rate is slightly lower than the U.S. As long as the chances that some random guy can't shoot me i 1/1000 instead of 1/999, I feel better about myself. I know I can't get an uncesored version of Saints Row 4, but hey, My benevolent leaders have protected me with slightly lower gun murder rates.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 26, 2013, 03:07:14 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on December 26, 2013, 11:10:56 AM
People who complain about commercialism during Christmas.

Ya, I've started to tell people to shut the fuck up about it.

Then, I get, "well look how bad Black Friday is!" Too which I respond with this.
http://blackfridaydeathcount.com/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 27, 2013, 12:07:38 AM
"I notice all the people who support abortion are already born." -Ronald Reagan

El Responso: "So are the ones who are against it.   And who don't care.  What's your point?  We're the only sentient/rational beings that we know of so of course we are!  Yet war and the resulting innocents dying is okay with you.  Double standards much?"

Seriously, Reagan blows ass.  Never understood what people saw in his statist hide.

Found the quote from some pillock commenting on one of Hawkeye's journals:  http://comments.deviantart.com/1/382518716/3270162758
"Why? Are you so surprised I can be pro-life without being religious? But I also am tired of repeating myself, because I have been doing that just as well, so I guess we'll just end it the same way most people end debates, where nothing is resolved and no one's opinions are affected."
>>Pro-life without being religious
Yeah.  Sorry.  I don't buy that anymore than I buy that "libertarians are trolls" pillock was a libertarian or Kirk Cameron being an former atheist.
Awww.  He thinks he's people. X3  Not Hawkeye's fault you can't separate your feelings/opinions from facts.  Get over yourself, fucktard.

And the idiot after him calling the walnut bit Hawkeye made "misanthropic" isn't much better.  How is that misanthropic in the slightest?  It's called an analogy people!  Look it up!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 27, 2013, 03:13:26 AM
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*rolls eyes*

ratofvengence say

QuoteLol, you can't even quote the years of the study? The Attorney General said that in the 13 years from 2000, mass shootings have tripled. Prove it wrong with details if you actually can.
New Zealand, as several people have pointed out but you ignore, has gun control. Not as much as us, but far more than the US. It is also a far more rural nation. No, your attempts there fail too.
You keep throwing this red herring about arson, it just shows how little you actually have to argue with. Gun control saves lives. As a result of gun control, we haven't had a shooting massacre in 17 years, halting a trend. Funnily enough, gun control doesn't stop arson. Did you think it should? Lol.
The diminishing returns was on OUR side you twit. We never let our crime get as horrible as yours, so there wasn't as much room for the homicide rate to drop further. Perhaps you should look it up?
Those places in the US that have piss-poor gun control (at least do it properly!) have it BECAUSE of gun crime, not the other way around. Sheesh...
Seriously, you are going to have to try far harder than that, and perhaps stop using the NRA website as your only source of 'facts'.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 27, 2013, 09:14:00 AM
Okay after actually reading all of the article from this post: https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=291.msg21441#msg21441 http://v.i4031.net/LawIsAnExcuseToDoHarm

I did see a MAJOR fail:  Sorry, OP, but eye for an eye really does leave the world blind.  I don't know what he's talking about the state doesn't try to do equal harm to the perpetrator as retribution (and implying this is a good idea via the last paragraph).  What does he think jail, fines and the fucking death penalty are for?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 27, 2013, 02:57:19 PM
http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=82733


Just about everybody in this thred say ssomething worth noting here. Pick your favorites.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 27, 2013, 03:43:02 PM
Remember that thread I made regarding JBC a while back?  Neither do I. :P
I do remember his main "source" was this guy:  http://www.youstupidrelativist.com/
A sample:  "Mission statement: To utterly destroy the idiotic religions known as General Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, String Theory, and the Electric Universe."

I'd nominate this guy as Idiot of the Year if he was, you know, more relevant.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 27, 2013, 05:48:56 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1505284_591074370980270_13289656_n.jpg)

Is anyone else sick of this bullshit?!?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on December 27, 2013, 07:00:11 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 27, 2013, 05:48:56 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1505284_591074370980270_13289656_n.jpg)

Is anyone else sick of this bullshit?!?

Since the political system doesn't have the right incentives it's pointless.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 27, 2013, 07:45:22 PM
Quote from: T dog on July 26, 2012, 09:26:53 AM
blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Top-11-Most-Disturbing-MLP-FiM-Fandoms-5-308577492

Of particular note:  "And I don't even know what's worse: the art where they're depicted as human, or the art where they're depicted as ponies. Either way, it's still pedophilia—or rather, pedofillya!"  Um, no.  Pedophilia is the act of having sex with pre-pubescents.  It is NOT simply beating off to the idea of the act.

"This is the type of art that should get MegaSweet a visit from Chris Hansen, not thousands of fans."
Hello, I'm Chris Hanson, and I'm here to ruin your life over a victimless crime.

"And for any Megasweet fanboys out there, please spare me the "but they're just fictional characters" defense."
Fucking thought/victimless crimes, y'all!

"Fictional or not, an underaged minor is still an underaged minor, and pornography featuring them is still child pornography, which, last time I checked, is illegal."
So are drugs, yet I don't see you having any moral issue with them, cherry picker.  Also, last I checked, child pornography, by definition, involve real children--not drawings.

"(And while we're on the subject, so is bestiality!)" *points to above bit about drugs being illegal*  Sorry, but the state is not the ultimate arbiter of morality, pal.  So tell me how beliveing it does makes you a libertarian, much less an anarcho-capitalist again?

But wait, there's more!

"If you get your rocks hard over cartoon ponies, fine! That's your fetish. I'm not here to judge you for it."

"But when you start drooling over underage filly flank, please keep it between yourself and your psychiatrist!"
Um, contradiction, much?

"By all means spare the internet! And spare those poor little fillies!"
Welcome to the internet!  A word of advice, avoid sites like:  Inkbunny, furaffinity, and heaven forbid, 4chan, like the plague.  You're the one whose very username is a play on the 1st Amendment.  As you yourself have said, "Don't blame me! Blame the 1st (Amendment)!" when people don't like your opinions.

"How disturbing is it? As disturbing as seeing your next door neigbor on How To Catch A Predator."
Well, considering the amount of fraud on that show, with a 24 year old and a 14 year old--something that only a uber 'moralistic' 20th century seems to have a problem with, there were also cases of them altering the chat logs where the person chatting claimed to be of legal age, and said she wanted to Role Play as someone younger to make it look like he was into younger folk.  So yeah, not as disturbing as you make it out to be.  Grow a thicker skin, pal!
I find it fascinating that destroying someone's life on what are often false pretenses to begin with doesn't have you saying they should be sued for defamation of character.

"Yeah. The problem is how it's implemented. If it wasn't targeting kids who are only one or two years apart, I wouldn't have that much of a problem."
>>The problem is how it's implemented.
*facepalms*  Because we haven't heard THAT excuse enough times from desperate statists!

And it's a bit ironic that he, as a Christian seems to despise these things, given the Bible's stance on the issues (something about selling young children into slavery being awesome, applause of full on child rape, smashing babies against the rocks because God ordered you to, etc).  Special pleading up in this bitch. X3
/sigh
It seems BTF found that post and this one by Shane https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=315.msg14151#msg14151 (probably not given he ignored the legal precedent I will mention later in this post.  Seriously though, check out Shane's original post--and mine!--and the ones following it until the end of that page of the thread.  Good stuff.) and replied with this: http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Top-13-Even-More-Disturbing-MLP-FiM-Fan-Works-1-412432964
Specifically:

"Their main argument, and the most flimsy, is that these underage characters are only fictional, and thus porn of them doesn’t count as real child porn.

Sorry. That doesn’t fly with me. As I said in my last list, fictional or not, an underage minor is still an underage minor, and porn featuring them is still child porn, which, last time I checked, is illegal."
See Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition.
So thought crimes and victimless crimes now.  Lovely.
"Thinking about sex with children is one thing, but putting it in material form is quite another."
Distinction without a difference.  Still a victimless crime.
I liked Hawkeye's comments in the journal, and his thoughts on this too:
"It comes down to one simple question.
Okay, real live child porn is bad because it requires you to have done something very wrong to a very real live child.  That much is not being questioned.
Now, someone draws a picture of a child in a sexual situation.  It's a drawing, the child is fictional, nothing has actually been done past scribbling on a paper.
What exactly is the moral argument against this?
You're going down the realm of thought policing here and there's no argument to be made for that as it's always completely arbitrary."

It's one thing if you just think about it, but quite another when you act upon those thoughts. Trying to claim this is okay because they're not real anyway seems very hazy to me.
(>>hazy; only to someone who has trouble differentiating between reality and fiction)

Not really.  No victim = no crime.  It's really very cut and dry.
The alternative is thought policing and no good can come of that.


Finally, this all avoids a more overarching issue.  One that's been touched on with the 'illegal alien' argument refutations.  Just because something is illegal (e.g. doing drugs, not paying taxes for wars you think are immoral, etc) does not mean it is wrong.  And just because something is legal (slavery comes to mind here) does not make it right...Last I checked, the state is not the ultimate arbiter of morality.  Or it means that the state can do no wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 27, 2013, 08:54:33 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 27, 2013, 07:45:22 PM
/sigh
It seems BTF found that post and this one by Shane https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=315.msg14151#msg14151 (probably not given he ignored the legal precedent I will mention later in this post.  Seriously though check Shane's original post out and the ones following it until the end of that page of the thread.  Good stuff.) and replied with this: http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Top-13-Even-More-Disturbing-MLP-FiM-Fan-Works-1-412432964
Specifically:

"Their main argument, and the most flimsy, is that these underage characters are only fictional, and thus porn of them doesn't count as real child porn.

Sorry. That doesn't fly with me. As I said in my last list, fictional or not, an underage minor is still an underage minor, and porn featuring them is still child porn, which, last time I checked, is illegal."
See Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition.
So thought crimes and victimless crimes now.  Lovely.
"Thinking about sex with children is one thing, but putting it in material form is quite another."
Semantic nip-picking. Still a victimless crime.
I liked Hawkeye's comments in the journal, and his thoughts on this too:
"It comes down to one simple question.
Okay, real live child porn is bad because it requires you to have done something very wrong to a very real live child.  That much is not being questioned.
Now, someone draws a picture of a child in a sexual situation.  It's a drawing, the child is fictional, nothing has actually been done past scribbling on a paper.
What exactly is the moral argument against this?
You're going down the realm of thought policing here and there's no argument to be made for that as it's always completely arbitrary."

It's one thing if you just think about it, but quite another when you act upon those thoughts. Trying to claim this is okay because they're not real anyway seems very hazy to me.

Not really.  No victim = no crime.  It's really very cut and dry.
The alternative is thought policing and no good can come of that.


Finally, this all avoids a more overarching issue.  One that's been touched on with the 'illegal alien' argument refutations.  Just because something is illegal (e.g. doing drugs, not paying taxes for wars you think are immoral, etc) does not mean it is wrong.  And just because something is legal (slavery comes to mind here) does not make it right...Last I checked, the state is not the ultimate arbiter of morality.  Or it means that the state can do no wrong.

To add to that: technically, virtual child pornography (or any other kind of virtual pornography) is not illegal. In order to be convicted of CP, there has to be an actual, identifiable person. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 27, 2013, 08:56:03 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on December 27, 2013, 08:54:33 PM
To add to that: technically, virtual child pornography (or any other kind of virtual pornography) is not illegal. In order to be convicted of CP, there has to be an actual, identifiable person. 

Who is underage. Of-age models dressing younger DOES NOT COUNT.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 28, 2013, 02:40:26 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 28, 2013, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 28, 2013, 02:40:26 PM
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I like how the lawyer said that kids say the pledge to their "national unity" (wtf does that even mean? kids are united without ever even meeting each other because the say overrated chant? wtf?) in a way that validate religious beliefs, and basically called it indoctrination, but the only problem he had with it is under god being in the pledge.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 28, 2013, 11:58:42 PM
"The High Elves are the Nazis of Skyrim."--random pillock
I guess he forgot that not all High Elves in Skryim are Thalmor (but hey, it's only bigotry/painting with too broad a brush when people I don't like do it, amirite gaiz?).  While also ignoring that the interventionism and nation building they do is actually more reminiscent of U.S. Foreign policy.  And in fact, D has pointed out that in TES: Online; the Thalmor faction has as an animal symbol of, get this:  The Eagle.  Something tells me that's not a coincidence.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 29, 2013, 01:16:01 AM
Quote from: T dog on December 28, 2013, 11:58:42 PM
"The High Elves are the Nazis of Skyrim."--some fucktard who couldn't understand what he's talking about even if it raped his ass.
I guess he forgot that not all High Elves in Skryim are Thalmor (but hey, it's only bigotry/painting with too broad a brush when people I don't like do it, amirite gaiz?).  While also ignoring that the interventionism and nation building they do is actually more reminiscent of U.S. Foreign policy.  And in fact, D has pointed out that in TES: Online; the Thalmor faction has as an animal symbol of, get this:  The Eagle.  Something tells me that's not a coincidence.

I can attest to this. On a personal level I BUILT my Altmer Character around being an Anti-Thalmor insurrectionist anarchist. Hell I even gave him an in depth backstory. I talked T dogs ear off about it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2013, 01:39:33 AM
Quote from: tnu on December 29, 2013, 01:16:01 AM
I can attest to this. On a personal level I BUILT my Altmer Character around being an Anti-Thalmor insurrectionist anarchist. Hell I even gave him an in depth backstory. I talked T dogs ear off about it.
Yeah, I remember. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 29, 2013, 09:50:33 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on December 27, 2013, 03:13:26 AM
[yt]mVuspKSjfgA[/yt]

*rolls eyes*

ratofvengence say
Why do you have to find a study to disprove what fuckface said, especially when he's a well known liar? This guy must be really fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on December 29, 2013, 02:15:49 PM
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/28/bitcoin-is-evil/?_r=1&

I really don't know jackshit about bitcoin, bit the title is funny.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2013, 02:46:48 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on December 29, 2013, 02:15:49 PM
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/28/bitcoin-is-evil/?_r=1&

I really don't know jackshit about bitcoin, bit the title is funny.
Is it too late to nominate/suggest Krugman as Idiot of the Year?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 29, 2013, 03:32:57 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 29, 2013, 02:46:48 PM
Is it too late to nominate/suggest Krugman as Idiot of the Year?

Year's not up yet...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 29, 2013, 10:16:01 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 29, 2013, 03:32:57 PM
Year's not up yet...
How about this moron?
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2013, 10:17:43 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 29, 2013, 10:16:01 PM
How about this moron?
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Yeah, Okay, if for some reason Krugman won't cut it, ZoNation gets my vote/nod/etc to Idiot of the Year as well.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on December 30, 2013, 09:00:31 PM
What America Would Look Like If Libertarians Got Their Way: http://www.alternet.org/what-america-would-look-if-libertarians-got-their-way

You have to marvel at the anti-libertarian contradiction: they claim that a libertarian society has never existed, and yet in the same breath argue that a libertarian society would be hell. So which is it? Has a libertarian society ever existed? If not, how do you know it would be hell? It never existed, so you can't know.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 30, 2013, 10:35:04 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on December 30, 2013, 09:00:31 PM
What America Would Look Like If Libertarians Got Their Way: http://www.alternet.org/what-america-would-look-if-libertarians-got-their-way

You have to marvel at the anti-libertarian contradiction: they claim that a libertarian society has never existed, and yet in the same breath argue that a libertarian society would be hell. So which is it? Has a libertarian society ever existed? If not, how do you know it would be hell? It never existed, so you can't know.
Mhm.  That contradiction always annoyed me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 30, 2013, 10:41:37 PM
Quote from: T dog on December 30, 2013, 10:35:04 PM
Mhm.  That contradiction always annoyed me.

Plus, the argument itself stretches the definitions of terms a bit. There's been lots of libertarian societies throughout history; there just haven't been a lot of truly anarchist ones. There's been lots of socialists societies; there just haven't been a lot of truly communist ones. (truly anarchist and truly communist societies involve the absence of a government, which has been extremely rare. The difference between the two is one recognizes private property, the other doesn't)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 30, 2013, 10:56:08 PM
QuoteIt never stops: Close down the homeless shelters. Shut down the Salvation Army. Make it illegal to throw a starving person a coin or toss a blanket over them as they lay on the sidewalk. This logic only ends one way: in a hellish dystopia where the underclass is starving, homeless and dying in droves.


I have no fuckign idea where he's going from "don't steal money from peaceful people" to "don't donate to charities and the poor".

Quoteis hostile to collective action on behalf of the less fortunate.

Where is he getting this!? Who is being "hostile" towards these attempts. I'm pretty sure I could ask anyone here an d none of us oppose collective actions to help the less fortunate so long as they are voluntary. Yes?

QuoteName any prominent modern libertarian—Ayn Rand, Paul Ryan, Ron Paul, Peter Thiel, Rand Paul—and they are likely to fit this description.

First note the utter lack of citation. (I have never seen Ron Paul oppose collective action to help the less fortunate so long as it's voluntary I can't speak for the others) but he lost me as soon as he tried to call Paul Ryan and Rand Paul libertarians. I can MAYBE understand Ayn Rand but that's a strong maybe.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 30, 2013, 11:02:40 PM
Quote from: tnu on December 30, 2013, 10:56:08 PM

I have no fuckign idea where he's going from "don't steal money from peaceful people" to "don't donate to charities and the poor".

Where did that come from? Oops, nvm.

Wait, if we're not being robbed... I mean taxed... to provide for the poor, don't we have more to...nvm.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 30, 2013, 11:12:57 PM
QuoteWrong. It turns out that people who are motivated to act out of self-interest will do whatever it takes to enrich themselves, even if that means damaging the entire society—in this case, the Sears "society"—in the process. Sure, competition "works," sometimes, for some things. But the Sears experiment showed us that it works best when there is a fabric which knits the competing parts together into something more than the sum of its parts.

We call that something a nation.

and governments and government officials are immune to this how? Going under the assumption you are right why elect a bunch of self itnerested assholes and give them power over everybody else?

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on December 31, 2013, 02:19:19 PM
Looks like we made Mr. PZ extremely butthurt: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/12/31/so-i-invented-a-new-law-the-other-day/

My "favorite" part has to be when he claimed that America is already a "libertarian paradise"!

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 31, 2013, 08:03:34 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 01, 2014, 11:08:16 AM
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/7/2/1/229721.jpg?v=1)

You'll have to excuse me if I'm just a little bit suspicious of the second paragraph on that implying that the US military *leaving* the region caused *more* murder and violence.  I don't buy that.  Unless we're just drone bombing them instead.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 01, 2014, 11:23:16 AM
Quote from: T dog on January 01, 2014, 11:08:16 AM
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/7/2/1/229721.jpg?v=1)

You'll have to excuse me if I'm just a little bit suspicious of the second paragraph on that implying that the US military *leaving* the region caused *more* murder and violence.  I don't buy that.  Unless we're just drone bombing them instead.

And how many before the US invaded Iraq in 2003?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 01, 2014, 11:38:20 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 01, 2014, 11:23:16 AM
And how many before the US invaded Iraq in 2003?
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
If this is any indicator it looks like the OP was cherry picking--if not outright lying.  Shame they don't show it in the years before the US federal government invaded Iraq.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 01, 2014, 12:45:52 PM
[yt]B3HHeyM1KQM[/yt]

I'm surprised I didn't post this sooner.  To summarize the actual content of the video:

>>economic reasons why monopolies including IP are bad
>>But we should still have IP always because I believe it will be an exception/still work/needed to create creative works.

I really wish I was making that up.  And this is on a channel that's (supposed) to be dedicated to economic freedom too.  Yet they also have a video on spending on "lessons from Ronald Reagen.":

[yt]hJneSSGLnSI[/yt]

"Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton both reduced the relative burden of government, largely because they were able to restrain the growth of domestic spending." Are you fucking kidding me?  They do know he shot spending through the roof right?  And yeah, domestic spending...because military spending NEVER impacts the economy and the rest of us?  And inb4 democratic Congress:  Right, because the president totally doesn't have any discretionary spending, the ability to refuse the enforcement of the laws (and thus the money used for them in that way), executive order, etc, riiight? Gimme a fucking break.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on January 01, 2014, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 01, 2014, 11:08:16 AM
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/7/2/1/229721.jpg?v=1)

You'll have to excuse me if I'm just a little bit suspicious of the second paragraph on that implying that the US military *leaving* the region caused *more* murder and violence.  I don't buy that.  Unless we're just drone bombing them instead.
Someone needs to tell the guy who made the picture that correlation does not equal causation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 01, 2014, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 01, 2014, 11:38:20 AM
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
If this is any indicator it looks like the OP was cherry picking.  Shame they don't show it in the years before the US federal government invaded Iraq.

Probably because it was relatively close to zero. Regardless of how terrible Saddam might have been otherwise (and contrary to the propaganda against him), he did a VERY good job keeping terrorists out of Iraq.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 01, 2014, 01:47:29 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1517629_593700260717681_1060955355_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on January 01, 2014, 02:55:07 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 01, 2014, 01:47:29 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1517629_593700260717681_1060955355_n.jpg)
Are they seriously comparing the government to Jesus? Lel.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 01, 2014, 03:08:27 PM
Quote from: BreadGod on January 01, 2014, 02:55:07 PM
Are they seriously comparing the government to Jesus? Lel.

No, they're comparing Obama to Jesus!  ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on January 01, 2014, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 01, 2014, 03:08:27 PM
No, they're comparing Obama to Jesus!  ;D
No surprise there. All the love for Obama is one part blind hero worship and another part mass delusion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 01, 2014, 05:09:53 PM
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/fat-officially-incurable-according-to-science/
Many comments did a good job addressing this bit.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-truths-that-will-make-you-better-person/
Yet he also is anti free market where those things are either grossly over-exaggerated, or something you learn early on and aren't hard to fulfill?  Yeah, as usual, Wong over sells it to the point where he either comes off as a fanatic and/or clueless twat.  Even worse considering that article he made years back on "things rich people need to stop saying."  Just...dude.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on January 01, 2014, 11:01:44 PM
I wanted to put this in Fav Quotes for having realized something without having someone else to explain it to me, but after some review I decided what brought me to this realization belongs here.

From GameFAQs Board 8 topic, "Do you think this is fair? (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/post.php?board=8&topic=68227270). Poll/Discussion is over the perceived fairness of someone's recent medical bill (http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/American-healthcare-bill-medical-cost.jpg).

ChaosTonyV4
The free market doesn't WORK when your life is on the line. If someone says "You either pay us more than you can possibly pay us, or you DIE", people will choose the lifetime of debt every time. Obviously this isn't fair.

Altimadark
If someone forces you to sign a contract at gunpoint, you can later get a court or other mediating party to declare the contract null and void as it was signed under duress. It's not one's life being on the line which makes the free market not work, it's initiation of coercive force.

foolm0r0n (reply to ChaosTonyV4)
All products work this way. For example, someone can offer you a hamburger for $10 million when you're hungry. What would you do?

ChaosTonyV4
Eat something else?

It's pretty inarguable that the free market actually HURTS healthcare consumers when you compare American healthcare costs with the rest of the free world.

Altimadark (nanosecond of Win)
If the free market really hurts consumers, why don't we see this level of extortion in other industries where there are fewer government regulations, such as computers? It's inarguable that the computer/electronics industry is closer to a free market than the health care industry. So why do computers get less expensive as they advance, while health care gets more expensive as it advances?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 01, 2014, 11:20:48 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on January 01, 2014, 11:01:44 PM
I wanted to put this in Fav Quotes for having realized something without having someone else to explain it to me, but after some review I decided what brought me to this realization belongs here.

From GameFAQs Board 8 topic, "Do you think this is fair? (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/post.php?board=8&topic=68227270). Poll/Discussion is over the perceived fairness of someone's recent medical bill (http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/American-healthcare-bill-medical-cost.jpg).

ChaosTonyV4
The free market doesn't WORK when your life is on the line. If someone says "You either pay us more than you can possibly pay us, or you DIE", people will choose the lifetime of debt every time. Obviously this isn't fair.

Altimadark
If someone forces you to sign a contract at gunpoint, you can later get a court or other mediating party to declare the contract null and void as it was signed under duress. It's not one's life being on the line which makes the free market not work, it's initiation of coercive force.

foolm0r0n (reply to ChaosTonyV4)
All products work this way. For example, someone can offer you a hamburger for $10 million when you're hungry. What would you do?

ChaosTonyV4
Eat something else?

It's pretty inarguable that the free market actually HURTS healthcare consumers when you compare American healthcare costs with the rest of the free world.

Altimadark (nanosecond of Win)
If the free market really hurts consumers, why don't we see this level of extortion in other industries where there are fewer government regulations, such as computers? It's inarguable that the computer/electronics industry is closer to a free market than the health care industry. So why do computers get less expensive as they advance, while health care gets more expensive as it advances?

Blah! If you're really at gunpoint when you make the statement you say what the terrorist wants you to say {to save your life}, you rescind the statement when you're  done
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 02, 2014, 08:48:39 AM
Quote from: Norman 0. Brown, one of the gurus of the new "counter-culture"The great economist von Mises tried to refute socialism by demonstrating that, in abolishing exchange, socialism made economic calculation, and hence economic rationality, impossible ... But if von Mises is right, then what he discovered is not a refutation but a psychoanalytical justification of socialism ... It is one of the sad ironies of contemporary intellectual life that the reply of socialist economists to von Mises' arguments was to attempt to show that socialism was not incompatible with "rational economic calculation" — that is to say, that it could retain the inhuman principle of economizing.
(Life Against Death, Random House, paperback, 1959, pp. 238-39.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 02, 2014, 09:24:03 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on January 01, 2014, 11:01:44 PM
I wanted to put this in Fav Quotes for having realized something without having someone else to explain it to me, but after some review I decided what brought me to this realization belongs here.

From GameFAQs Board 8 topic, "Do you think this is fair? (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/post.php?board=8&topic=68227270). Poll/Discussion is over the perceived fairness of someone's recent medical bill (http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/American-healthcare-bill-medical-cost.jpg).

ChaosTonyV4
The free market doesn't WORK when your life is on the line. If someone says "You either pay us more than you can possibly pay us, or you DIE", people will choose the lifetime of debt every time. Obviously this isn't fair.

Altimadark
If someone forces you to sign a contract at gunpoint, you can later get a court or other mediating party to declare the contract null and void as it was signed under duress. It's not one's life being on the line which makes the free market not work, it's initiation of coercive force.

foolm0r0n (reply to ChaosTonyV4)
All products work this way. For example, someone can offer you a hamburger for $10 million when you're hungry. What would you do?

ChaosTonyV4
Eat something else?

It's pretty inarguable that the free market actually HURTS healthcare consumers when you compare American healthcare costs with the rest of the free world.

Altimadark (nanosecond of Win)
If the free market really hurts consumers, why don't we see this level of extortion in other industries where there are fewer government regulations, such as computers? It's inarguable that the computer/electronics industry is closer to a free market than the health care industry. So why do computers get less expensive as they advance, while health care gets more expensive as it advances?

There was an excellent edition of EconTalk with Mike Munger discussing this very issue (NOT fail): http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2011/06/munger_on_excha.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 02, 2014, 02:11:41 PM
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
I could post a specific article, but let's be honest.  That whole site is an epic fail.  Even their non political articles seems to just be one smug snarky self-congratulatory echo-chamber.  It's like if Thunderf00t and the founder of Encyclopedia Dramatica (who happens to be female) had a baby, and got him on the internet.

As Shane said on the place (NOT a fail):

Quote from: MrBogosity on August 15, 2011, 08:00:01 AM
You know what pisses me off? I and a lot of other skeptics did a lot of work into the Skeptic Wiki, and now skepticwiki.org redirects to Rational Wiki! And no one has given me an answer as to what the fuck happened! Where's all our pages with all our hard work gone? For example, the moon hoax page we had was comprehensive, well-sourced, and convincing to people; Rational Wiki's is idiotic and nothing but a cheering section that won't convince anyone who's not already a skeptic.

I fucking HATE that place...

Which only is made worse because I never even SAW (much less read or saved any pages) from that old Skeptic Wiki. T_T
And I just checked: http://skepticwiki.org/ now directs to a site regarding insurance.  Just...why?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 02, 2014, 02:35:02 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 02, 2014, 02:11:41 PM
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
I could post a specific article, but let's be honest.  That whole site is an epic fail.  Even their non political articles seems to just be one smug snarky self-congratulatory echo-chamber.  It's like if Thunderf00t and the founder of Encyclopedia Dramatica (who happens to be female) had a baby, and got him on the internet.

As Shane said on the place (NOT a fail):

Which only is made worse because I never even SAW (much less read or saved any pages) from that old Skeptic Wiki. T_T
And I just checked: http://skepticwiki.org/ now directs to a site regarding insurance.  Just...why?

I grabbed HTML copies of the pages from the Internet Archive. I'd love to get ahold of the MediaWiki files and resurrect it, though.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 02, 2014, 06:56:41 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 02, 2014, 02:35:02 PM
I grabbed HTML copies of the pages from the Internet Archive. I'd love to get ahold of the MediaWiki files and resurrect it, though.

reading the stuff using the wayback machine. needless to say, I'm impressed. Daeniken raped, Menzies looks like the cunt he is, and Hancock has been descredited all together...:P

could use a more thought destruction, but it is still superior to rationalwiki.

still looking for the Moon-hoax article though. found it. well organized, and well thought out.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 02, 2014, 10:30:30 PM
As a white guy who enjoys music like blues and funk, I constantly see stupid comments from ignorant fucks claiming that white people shouldn't play blues or funk music at all. Fuck those people, and fuck George Carlin for spreading that kind of stupid ignorant bullshit himself.

[yt]Dcr8dm9Prkk[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 03, 2014, 01:50:35 AM
(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/165004_519924778028673_1906916655_n.jpg?lvh=1)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 03, 2014, 06:15:40 AM
Quote"I'm sort of an anarcho-syndicalist, so in essence my ideal society would be socialist but function through direct grassroots democracy. In other words the money people pay in tax is voluntarily paid on a massive scale. Anarcho-capitalism is still capitalism and still doesn't give a fuck about the poor and starving and will still produce a bourgeois class that will use their influence to control society. I think anarcho-capitalism is absurdly idealistic and utopianist, perhaps even more so than functioning communism and definitely more so than anarcho-syndicalism though these are all pretty utopianist ideas. The anarcho-capitalist system is inherently built to destroy itself and will result in a society ruled by the rich. The objective behind a good society is to distribute the power as equally as possible. It has nothing to do with you guys and your obsession with individual freedoms and complete disregard for how complicated the world is. You can't simplify things down to this:

1) you have [blank] product or service

2) you want [blank] for it

3) I give you [blank], you give me [blank]

4) we both go home"

What say you?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 03, 2014, 10:28:28 AM
Quote from: tnu on January 03, 2014, 06:15:40 AM


Yes it is that simple :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 03, 2014, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 03, 2014, 01:50:35 AM
(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/165004_519924778028673_1906916655_n.jpg?lvh=1)
Please tell me that's a parody...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 03, 2014, 11:26:41 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 03, 2014, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: T dog on January 03, 2014, 11:03:35 AM
Please tell me that's a parody...

You know its not.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on January 03, 2014, 12:14:06 PM
NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1558445_719432148074597_1706000717_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 03, 2014, 12:21:41 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 03, 2014, 11:54:09 AM
You know its not.
T_T I know.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 03, 2014, 12:22:16 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on January 03, 2014, 12:14:06 PM
NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1558445_719432148074597_1706000717_n.jpg)
Fuck you Bill Nye.  I respected you as a kid.  What the fuck happened to you?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 03, 2014, 12:47:19 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on January 03, 2014, 11:26:41 AM
[yt]fBbdO-dO1Cs[/yt]
>>Externalities
Are only a thing because of government not recognizing property rights of those whose land has been polluted or violated.

>>Free market is inefficient
Because the USSR and Communist China were both *so* productive that they eliminated starvation, oh wait...
And yes, I'm aware that he considers those "state capitalism"--an oxymoron if ever there was one.  And yes, I still stand by the above line because what he considers a good system (What the Spanish "Anarchists" who took over parts Spain during the 1930s set up) was different from what Stalin and Mao had in name and size/scope only.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 03, 2014, 02:35:10 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on January 03, 2014, 12:14:06 PM
NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1558445_719432148074597_1706000717_n.jpg)

I'll just use this as my response:
[yt]SHoNWwhzh3M[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 03, 2014, 03:29:10 PM
Quote from: D on January 03, 2014, 02:35:10 PM
I'll just use this as my response:
[yt]SHoNWwhzh3M[/yt]

My reaction

[yt]752tGFuihzM[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 03, 2014, 06:16:09 PM
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/580960_487513441303218_188263451_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on January 03, 2014, 06:32:16 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 02, 2014, 02:11:41 PM
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
I could post a specific article, but let's be honest.  That whole site is an epic fail.  Even their non political articles seems to just be one smug snarky self-congratulatory echo-chamber.  It's like if Thunderf00t and the founder of Encyclopedia Dramatica (who happens to be female) had a baby, and got him on the internet.
Oh, it's worse than that. RationalWiki is controlled by the idiots who populate Freethought Blogs. In case you need proof, just look at their Thunderf00t (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Thunderf00t) article. At least Encyclopedia Dramatica is meant to be satirical. RationalWiki, on the other hand, is completely serious. The entire wiki, and Freethought Blogs by extension, gives atheists a bad name as it makes us look like a bunch of smug, know-it-all assholes. If you need a big dose of stupidity, just read their article on Paul Krugman (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman). It's a gigantic fluff piece!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 03, 2014, 07:51:01 PM
Quote from: BreadGod on January 03, 2014, 06:32:16 PM
Oh, it's worse than that. RationalWiki is controlled by the idiots who populate Freethought Blogs. In case you need proof, just look at their Thunderf00t (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Thunderf00t) article. At least Encyclopedia Dramatica is meant to be satirical. RationalWiki, on the other hand, is completely serious. The entire wiki, and Freethought Blogs by extension, gives atheists a bad name as it makes us look like a bunch of smug, know-it-all assholes. If you need a big dose of stupidity, just read their article on Paul Krugman (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman). It's a gigantic fluff piece!

Not to mention they censor people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 04, 2014, 03:52:35 PM
Because snow plows are so complex that only the government could ever possible figure out how they work or how to function with them. Then again statists think this about the roads the plows drive on too.

(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/1507896_10152122374129255_957004458_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 04, 2014, 03:57:30 PM
Quote from: D on January 04, 2014, 03:52:35 PM
Because snow plows are so complex that only the government could ever possible figure out how they work or how to function with them. Then again statists think this about the roads the plows drive on too.

(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/1507896_10152122374129255_957004458_n.jpg)

Damn beat me to it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 04, 2014, 06:05:30 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 04, 2014, 03:57:30 PM
Damn beat me to it.

You know, when I was growing up in rural Saskatchewan, more often than not the guy who plowed the road so you could go to work/school was just some guy with a plow on the front of his tractor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 05, 2014, 04:54:33 PM

From a dude's journal on FA: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5251930/
(context:  the OP is an Active Duty Combat Medic (68W) in the US Army currently stationed in Afghanistan):
Quote from: some prickTitle:  "Almost out of Afghanistan"
Body: "Man...  This country is a shithole.

The people here are nothing more than cavemen with cellphones that are subservient to a book written thousands of years ago that many of them can't even read.

I have been blown up and shot at, treated causalities on the battlefield and have earned the right to be called "Doc".

I have experienced a wide barrage of emotions out here from anger, to depression, to outright joy. I have been dumped by my ex and already have someone in my life who is supportive, loving, and selfless.

Mainly I am ready to leave the shitty country and get back to my life, get some god damn real food, and get back to my friends.

Only a handful of weeks left. Praise Allah!"
Emphasis was added by me.  Stay classy, OP.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 05, 2014, 09:49:14 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 05, 2014, 04:54:33 PM
From a dude's journal on FA: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5251930/
(context:  the OP is an Active Duty Combat Medic (68W) in the US Army currently stationed in Afghanistan):Emphasis was added by me.  Stay classy, OP.

actually, most can read the Qur'an (which hasn't even reached its second millennium, so it's not "thousands"): the script used to write Pashto or Dari is basically the same as that used by Arabic (which is how Shane mistook Farsi (aka Modern Persian) for Arabic). They may not necessarily know the exact meaning, but they can read it, and their Imams interpret it for them. The second part can be....problematic.

also, they're not cavemen: they would normally live in homes and maybe farm some fields but hey, let's ignore that they've had to live through four decades of war and at least three dictatorships. They'd also mind they're business, if idiots like you didn't decide that this what was best for them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2014, 08:38:51 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 05, 2014, 09:49:14 PM
actually, most can read the Qur'an (which hasn't even reached its second millennium, so it's not "thousands"): the script used to write Pashto or Dari is basically the same as that used by Arabic (which is how Shane mistook Farsi (aka Modern Persian) for Arabic). They may not necessarily know the exact meaning, but they can read it, and their Imams interpret it for them. The second part can be....problematic.

also, they're not cavemen: they would normally live in homes and maybe farm some fields but hey, let's ignore that they've had to live through four decades of war and at least three dictatorships. They'd also mind they're business, if idiots like you didn't decide that this what was best for them.
Not to mention the bit about adhering to a book for thousands of years struck me as projection.  Or at least pot calling the kettle black.  Isn't that what the USA (and Europe) have done with the Bible?  Hell, weren't the very wars he's a part of launched when Bush said "God instructed me to."? I mean come on!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2014, 12:12:11 PM
(http://www.memestop.com/images/see-grandfather.jpg)
Yeah...line between being honest and just being a dick.  And the OP crossed it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 06, 2014, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 06, 2014, 12:12:11 PM
(http://www.memestop.com/images/see-grandfather.jpg)
Yeah...line between being honest and just being a dick.  And the OP crossed it.
You said it. I mean Pandas and red noses. That's just plain tasteless.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2014, 01:07:41 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20841_5-things-i-learned-as-cop-that-movies-wont-show-you.html
Something tells me this is going to be a fail. Going just by the titles:
5) You signed up for it knowing it.  Cry me a river.  Just shows they're ineffective where they're 'needed' most.
4) So?
3) Meh.
2) Yeah, that's what happens when people are in a stressful situation like being under duress, OP.  And yes according to my own criminal justice professor, the presence of a police officer is force.
With Hawkeye pointing out:  "Myth: Cops use their emergency lights whenever they want, often just to have an excuse to break traffic laws.
Truth: Vehicles log when an officer turns on his lights. So someone abusing this will have to explain to an annoyed fleet sergeant why he keeps running down his batteries for no reason."
Horseshit.  We've all seen cops do this.
1) See my response to 2. Again, cry me a river.  You mean some people actually don't react well to being herded around like cattle?  Say it ain't so!  And besides, cops dish out quite a bit of that too.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2014, 01:15:11 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20753_5-movie-happy-endings-that-are-about-to-go-horribly-wrong.html
After getting a bit through 4, I stopped reading.  It's basically just the technological unemployment bit of "yes, but since they're 10 times more efficient they could still lay off 80% of their workers and still double production"  As if workers are the ONLY cost/source of production?  Really? snore.
And as Hawkeye pointed out:
"That's all well and good, but the monster world doesn't exactly appear to be in the grips of an energy crisis."
Uh...yes they were.  They said this many times.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 06, 2014, 01:30:58 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 06, 2014, 01:07:41 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20841_5-things-i-learned-as-cop-that-movies-wont-show-you.html
Something tells me this is going to be a fail. Going just by the titles:
5) You signed up for it knowing it.  Cry me a river.  Just shows they're ineffective where they're 'needed' most.
4) So?
3) Meh.
2) Yeah, that's what happens when people are in a stressful situation like being under duress, OP.  And yes according to my own criminal justice professor, the presence of a police officer is force.
With Hawkeye pointing out:  "Myth: Cops use their emergency lights whenever they want, often just to have an excuse to break traffic laws.
Truth: Vehicles log when an officer turns on his lights. So someone abusing this will have to explain to an annoyed fleet sergeant why he keeps running down his batteries for no reason."
Horseshit.  We've all seen cops do this.
1) See my response to 2. Again, cry me a river.  You mean some people actually don't react well to being herded around like cattle?  Say it ain't so!  And besides, cops dish out quite a bit of that too.

Aren't most of those things basically, "It's your *&$%ing JOB!!!" territory?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2014, 01:42:37 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 06, 2014, 01:30:58 PM
Aren't most of those things basically, "It's your *&$%ing JOB!!!" territory?
If the "it" in that quote is "being a subservient cattle" then yeah, sounds about right.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 06, 2014, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 06, 2014, 01:15:11 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20753_5-movie-happy-endings-that-are-about-to-go-horribly-wrong.html
After getting a bit through 4, I stopped reading.  It's basically just the technological unemployment bit of "yes, but since they're 10 times more efficient they could still lay off 80% of their workers and still double production"  As if workers are the ONLY cost/source of production?  Really? snore.
And as Hawkeye pointed out:
"That's all well and good, but the monster world doesn't exactly appear to be in the grips of an energy crisis."
Uh...yes they were.  They said this many times.

Indeed. I call BS on the whole of that one. Besides, look at how hurried everyone was to get screams at the beginning, and how relaxed they were getting laughs at the end. And did you see the size of those canisters? Same pay for less work.

"And all of this is in a world where scream production was the center of their economy." Which now means they can DO SOMETHING ELSE. They can invent iPhones or whatever, and since they have nothing resembling a power crisis any more, there's not much standing in their way. One big problem the developing world has is lack of power; get power going and all sorts of progress happens.

I saw Django Unchained. First of all, he has GROSSLY overestimated the abilities of police in the antebellum south. Most places didn't even HAVE paid police! And as soon as he made it to another state he'd find what police there were to be FAR less interested in him. The only reason they kept getting runaway slaves is they had the US Marshals doing it for them.

And Django vs Marshals is a sequel I'd LOVE to see!

As for the Dementors, they were only able to do what they did because of Voldemort. Once he's gone, they went back to being minor annoyances.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 06, 2014, 01:49:22 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 06, 2014, 01:42:37 PM
If the "it" in that quote is "being a subservient cattle" then yeah, sounds about right.

No, I mean, isn't it a policeman's job to do the very things he was complaining about?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2014, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 06, 2014, 01:49:22 PM
No, I mean, isn't it a policeman's job to do the very things he was complaining about?
Ah.  That's a good point.  And yeah, I kinda don't have sympathy for him given that he signed up for it.  I mean, would it kill some people to do a little research, or maybe talk to those in the field before signing up?  It's what I did before I graduated.  And of course, the whole police brutality stuff and so on.
Ironic that they always throw the "I'm just doing my job!" crap at you when you complain about their horseshit.  As if that somehow is supposed to make it better, so of course they never accept it both ways.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2014, 01:56:53 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 06, 2014, 01:49:06 PM
Indeed. I call BS on the whole of that one. Besides, look at how hurried everyone was to get screams at the beginning, and how relaxed they were getting laughs at the end. And did you see the size of those canisters? Same pay for less work.

"And all of this is in a world where scream production was the center of their economy." Which now means they can DO SOMETHING ELSE. They can invent iPhones or whatever, and since they have nothing resembling a power crisis any more, there's not much standing in their way. One big problem the developing world has is lack of power; get power going and all sorts of progress happens.

I saw Django Unchained. First of all, he has GROSSLY overestimated the abilities of police in the antebellum south. Most places didn't even HAVE paid police! And as soon as he made it to another state he'd find what police there were to be FAR less interested in him. The only reason they kept getting runaway slaves is they had the US Marshals doing it for them.

And Django vs Marshals is a sequel I'd LOVE to see!

As for the Dementors, they were only able to do what they did because of Voldemort. Once he's gone, they went back to being minor annoyances.
Actually, from what I could tell, the monsters society is a tad more advanced than the human society.  Still doesn't matter though--it's a broken window fallacy to think more power would be terrible.

I didn't see either of those movies, but given the quality of number 4, I figured they might also be fails.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2014, 01:57:23 PM
More FA fail, yay!
So context, this one's about a dude being arrested for bestiality and his best friend defending him (the OP is neither, he's just sharing the event).
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5389827/
Specifically the first/top comment:

QuoteThis is my response

It doesn't matter if he waited until she was in heat. Being in heat isn't emotion, it isn't consent. It's just the dogs natural design. Basically, all he's doing is taking advantage of a dog's instincts.

We can't label everything as right just because it "feels good."
That's like a killer picking off someone who's suicidal. They both crave the end result but that doesn't make it right.

What we have here is a failure to distinct right from wrong. Hiding behind terms such as "love" and "respect." They say they see things clearly but a term comes to mind, "a crazy person doesn't know they're crazy."

Now I feel for the dude, don't get me wrong but it's his own fault for putting himself in that position. Mixing up a pet's affection for love is childish to say the least. When an animal is introduced to the family, it usually bonds with the primary caregiver or the first person to contact with it making that person it's alpha or master. It'll tend to favor this person above any person in the household. It may show more obedience, affection, etc. To mistake this for love is just, wrong.

There are many kinds of love. Just because you love a family member doesn't mean you should have a sexual relationship with any of them. Just because someone loves pizza doesn't mean he should wrap it around his sausage and make it a meat lovers. (haha now i've gotta wonder if someone's done that ROFL)

Something my English teacher once told my class, some quote from a writer or philosopher "don't love something too much, or else it will be taken away." Just something I thought i'd share cause this incident made me think of that.
Emphasis added by me.
By that logic if a woman never actually says yes, but just uses body language, it's rape.
Also, I once asked Shane for his thoughts on his issue via PM on YouTube, and I liked that answer.  Until animals become able to say "no" why should it be a crime/immoral? (something like that...I'm big time paraphrasing here).  As Stefan has pointed out, you can't really apply rules of morality meant for humans to animals because said rules break down.  So his example of a serial killer murdering a suicidal person falls apart at the seams.
Finally, I always found it a bit odd that people are okay with killing animals 'en masse for food, yet cringe and get all bent out of shape when even the idea of letting people fuck them comes to mind.  I could understand if the OP was a vegan or vegetarian making that argument.  At least they'd have integrity.  But from what I can tell, that just ain't so.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 06, 2014, 11:36:35 PM
(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1546035_233260750131177_1215252864_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 06, 2014, 11:41:22 PM
https://www.facebook.com/SLANCAP

This page still exist. Sometimes i wonder why i stay on facebook.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on January 08, 2014, 04:38:31 PM
I created this post (http://blamethe1st.tumblr.com/post/72580156389/i-dont-think-i-could-reduce-feminism-to-a) on Tumblr yesterday and the result was a SQUEE-storm of feminist trolls and spammers. Feel free to read the reblogs and replies if you dare. But perhaps the most failtastic quote has to be some random loser creating this image:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/c4188bd99de58b0657d267265197a158/tumblr_mz202b1VkQ1qegghxo1_1280.png)

You lot feel free to tear it apart. I have more important things to do than address an internet troll.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 08, 2014, 06:41:54 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on January 08, 2014, 04:38:31 PM
I created this post (http://blamethe1st.tumblr.com/post/72580156389/i-dont-think-i-could-reduce-feminism-to-a) on Tumblr yesterday and the result was a SQUEE-storm of feminist trolls and spammers. Feel free to read the reblogs and replies if you dare. But perhaps the most failtastic quote has to be some random loser creating this image:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/c4188bd99de58b0657d267265197a158/tumblr_mz202b1VkQ1qegghxo1_1280.png)

You lot feel free to tear it apart. I have more important things to do than address an internet troll.
So do I to be honest. :P As soon as I saw the link saying, "rape culture quotes to remember" I knew it wasn't even worth the read.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on January 08, 2014, 10:16:08 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 08, 2014, 06:41:54 PM
So do I to be honest. :P As soon as I saw the link saying, "rape culture quotes to remember" I knew it wasn't even worth the read.
Are white knights' posts ever worth reading?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 09, 2014, 05:50:40 AM
Quote from: T dog on January 06, 2014, 12:12:11 PM
(http://www.memestop.com/images/see-grandfather.jpg)
Yeah...line between being honest and just being a dick.  And the OP crossed it.

he may have, but I'm unfazed by it. Then again, I come from a culture where we have jokes like this one--which has two intended (equally unpleasant) implications:

QuoteOnce a girl came back home crying to her waiting father--five hours late. the father asks annoyed: "where have you been?". the girl replies, weeping: "Daddy, daddy, I was gang-raped!" the father shot back "heh, the whole procedures is about an hour long, then where the hell did you go?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 09, 2014, 08:32:37 AM
White privilege (http://www.buzzfeed.com/aaronc13/this-comic-perfectly-explains-what-white-privilege-is) is the liberal equivalent to original sin.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 09, 2014, 08:41:08 AM
Quote from: D on January 09, 2014, 08:32:37 AM
White privilege (http://www.buzzfeed.com/aaronc13/this-comic-perfectly-explains-what-white-privilege-is) is the liberal equivalent to original sin.
The sentence itself you used to describe that article is a fav quote though.
Kinda makes me want to rename the "Original Sin Fallacy" to  the "White Privilege Fallacy" when dealing with feminists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 09, 2014, 09:30:17 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 09, 2014, 05:50:40 AM
he may have, but I'm unfazed by it. Then again, I come from a culture where we have jokes like this one--which has two intended (equally unpleasant) implications:
And I thought some American jokes (George Carlin) were edgy/provocative. O_o
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on January 09, 2014, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: D on January 09, 2014, 08:32:37 AM
White privilege (http://www.buzzfeed.com/aaronc13/this-comic-perfectly-explains-what-white-privilege-is) is the liberal equivalent to original sin.

Quote from: T dog on January 09, 2014, 08:41:08 AM
The sentence itself you used to describe that article is a fav quote though.
Kinda makes me want to rename the "Original Sin Fallacy" to  the "White Privilege Fallacy" when dealing with feminists.

On a related note, isn't this also the feminist equivalent to that "Women make 75/80/85% of what Men make" statistic?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 09, 2014, 11:42:10 AM
Quote from: T dog on January 09, 2014, 08:41:08 AM
The sentence itself you used to describe that article is a fav quote though.
Kinda makes me want to rename the "Original Sin Fallacy" to  the "White Privilege Fallacy" when dealing with feminists.

It's more of an ad hominem. You're a white guy, so they get to ignore your intellectual arguments because, white privilege!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 09, 2014, 12:37:09 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on January 09, 2014, 11:20:10 AM
On a related note, isn't this also the feminist equivalent to that "Women make 75/80/85% of what Men make" statistic?
Only more fleshed out and worse.  And yeah, that "men make 75 cents for every dollar that men make" statistic has been debunked so many times it's pathetic!  Hell, Hawkeye exposed the absurdity of it without having to look at a single study:  If it were true, why would anyone ever hire a man?

Quote from: MrBogosity on January 09, 2014, 11:42:10 AM
It's more of an ad hominem. You're a white guy, so they get to ignore your intellectual arguments because, white privilege!
Yeah.  Sounds about right.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 09, 2014, 05:06:24 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 09, 2014, 11:42:10 AM
It's more of an ad hominem. You're a white guy, so they get to ignore your intellectual arguments because, white privilege!

Which is actually a contradiction.  If I had priviledge, SHE would be the one being told to be quiet.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 09, 2014, 06:00:45 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 09, 2014, 05:06:24 PM
Which is actually a contradiction.  If I had privilege, SHE would be the one being told to be quiet.
And you just earned your 46th cluon for that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 10, 2014, 02:22:07 AM
I'm Robert in this conversation.
https://www.facebook.com/ryansteinbruner/posts/10201699518108877?comment_id=5750465&offset=0&total_comments=33&ref=notif&notif_t=share_reply
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on January 10, 2014, 02:58:10 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 10, 2014, 02:22:07 AM
I'm Robert in this conversation.
https://www.facebook.com/ryansteinbruner/posts/10201699518108877?comment_id=5750465&offset=0&total_comments=33&ref=notif&notif_t=share_reply
Could us cavemen without Facebook get a screenshot or other method of viewing this?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 10, 2014, 07:11:15 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on January 10, 2014, 02:58:10 AM
Could us cavemen without Facebook get a screenshot or other method of viewing this?

Its kinda of a long conversation, the forum would let me post a screenshot. too big I guess.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 10, 2014, 07:50:23 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on January 10, 2014, 02:58:10 AM
Could us cavemen without Facebook get a screenshot or other method of viewing this?
Seconded.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 10, 2014, 10:13:58 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 10, 2014, 07:11:15 AM
Its kinda of a long conversation, the forum would let me post a screenshot. too big I guess.

You can stick it on Flickr or somewhere, or email it to me and I'll post it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on January 10, 2014, 12:37:59 PM
I was going to compare this to mental ping-pong, but this is more like playing practice tennis with a wall, or something.

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DrunkTankGunner
I just simply don't believe that forcing people to pay $0.10 for a trash bag is more harmful than the good that is done for the environment.

Altimadark
...if your way, your idea, is that good, why do you need to use force?

You need to use force because the economic incentives outweigh the environmental ones, and if the government won't stand up for the environment, then who will?

Where is your proof that government is even capable of caring for the environment?

The proof is in the very policy we're discussing, it doesn't need to go any further than that.

How many are doing it for the tax revenue or the political clout, and not just for the sake of the environment?

See "The Pollution Solution: Stopping the environment's worst enemy." Government pollutes and gets away with it with impunity. Now tell me why the plastic bag law matters, and nothing else.

How do I know libertarians aren't opposing it for tax revenue or the political clout? You need to stick to the facts.

So you're suggesting that libertarians are opposing a new tax in order to increase tax revenue. And since there are next to no libertarian elected officials, the political clout in question is non-existent. I know I keep bringing this up, but you haven't given this issue much consideration at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 10, 2014, 01:35:14 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on January 10, 2014, 12:37:59 PM
I was going to compare this to mental ping-pong, but this is more like playing practice tennis with a wall, or something.

[yt]8pNKz7iOaLE[/yt]

DrunkTankGunner
I just simply don't believe that forcing people to pay $0.10 for a trash bag is more harmful than the good that is done for the environment.

Altimadark
...if your way, your idea, is that good, why do you need to use force?

You need to use force because the economic incentives outweigh the environmental ones, and if the government won't stand up for the environment, then who will?

Where is your proof that government is even capable of caring for the environment?

The proof is in the very policy we're discussing, it doesn't need to go any further than that.

How many are doing it for the tax revenue or the political clout, and not just for the sake of the environment?

See "The Pollution Solution: Stopping the environment's worst enemy." Government pollutes and gets away with it with impunity. Now tell me why the plastic bag law matters, and nothing else.

How do I know libertarians aren't opposing it for tax revenue or the political clout? You need to stick to the facts.

So you're suggesting that libertarians are opposing a new tax in order to increase tax revenue. And since there are next to no libertarian elected officials, the political clout in question is non-existent. I know I keep bringing this up, but you haven't given this issue much consideration at all.

Meh. The purpose of a trash bag tax is to increase revenues. As far as any environmental impact it may have, it's a secondary incidental result at best. Private merchandisers, such as Walmart and Costco are having a much more distinguishable effect through selling re-usable bags than any state or local gov't is through a tax.

If they were serious about it being about the environmental impact of the bags, they would either make it a significant enough tax that consumers would actually consider something else, do to the "economic incentive" or ban it altogether; or they'd give a rebate for purchasing (and using) the aforementioned re-usables. They're not. They're putting a marginal tax on it to raise revenue.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 10, 2014, 06:07:50 PM
Quote from: D on January 10, 2014, 05:33:38 PM
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Every comment left by Damara Megido is an epic fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 10, 2014, 07:00:58 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 10, 2014, 06:07:50 PM
Every comment left by Damara Megido is an epic fail.

Link from said Damara would help.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 10, 2014, 07:57:36 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 10, 2014, 07:00:58 PM
Link from said Damara would help.

Underneath the video, click on "Click here to read all comments."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 10, 2014, 08:09:54 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 09, 2014, 09:30:17 AM
And I thought some American jokes (George Carlin) were edgy/provocative. O_o

contrary to popular belief, Palestinians aren't prudes (though I can see where it comes from)...some of the comedians there are not above what by western standards are dirty jokes, involving rape, sodomy (as a subset of the former), grotesque pairings (like what happens if a dwarf marries a dwarf, a giant to a giant, or a a math teacher marries a thief--trust me, this last one only words in Arabic), and obscene word play.

here's another one--more light hearted:

Quotea man once had intestinal worms. he tried all normal medicine: prescriptions from the doctor, invasive procedures, the works. He even tried traditional Arab medicine, but to no avail: the worms seemed stronger than ever. So someone told him there was a wise man in Singapore, who could help him. there he went, and when he inquired on how to cure his condition, the wise man said: "take watermelon and cut it in two. put half of watermelon under ass. King of worms  lick it, like it, and say to subject worms "let's move!"". Incredulous, but with little left to lose, he follows the instructions: he gets a watermelon, cuts it in two, and sits on one. certainly enough, the king of the worms goes to lick the watermelon, and finds it delicious. happy, he exclaims to the subject worms "haul it up boys!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 11, 2014, 12:24:08 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on January 10, 2014, 02:58:10 AM
Could us cavemen without Facebook get a screenshot or other method of viewing this?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/114054462@N02/11881738505/sizes/o/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 11, 2014, 12:45:51 AM
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God I wish I were making this shit up...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 11, 2014, 12:49:24 AM
My quote i psoted on the new anarchist memes

QuoteI want all human interactions to be voluntary. Fuck me right?

"Yep - fuck you, you piece of shit. Because when you say voluntary, you don't really mean that. What you mean is you should be able to allow someone to starve if they don't agree to work for a wage you demand. That's not voluntary, that's being voluntold." -Brent Lengel
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 11, 2014, 12:54:42 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on January 11, 2014, 12:49:24 AM
My quote i psoted on the new anarchist memes

"Yep - fuck you, you piece of shit. Because when you say voluntary, you don't really mean that. What you mean is you should be able to allow someone to starve if they don't agree to work for a wage you demand. That's not voluntary, that's being voluntold." -Brent Lengel

I can't believe some people say crap like this seriously.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 11, 2014, 12:58:34 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 11, 2014, 12:54:42 AM
I can't believe some people say crap like this seriously.

There is the arguement that if a worker really is being exploited by a capitalist, he can join an anarcho-commune if its so great. There. problem fucking solved.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 11, 2014, 01:21:21 AM
More from brent.

Quote"No we can't, not under capitalism, because Capitalism demands profit. Capitalism means private citizens are allowed to accumulate a nearly infinite amount of private property. They then have to USE that ownership of property to earn a profit, which then allows them to buy more property and thus make more profit FOREVER. If you stop - if you decide you have enough and leave people alone, you will be out competed and destroyed by another nastier more amoral capitalist who WILL.

Capitalism works live evolution except instead of being set for "survival of the fittest/sexist" it's set for "survival of the biggest, most amoral schemeing douchebag who will do anything to get ahead."

I try to be a nice guy. Try to build bridges *bangs head against the wall* No more facebook for me for a while.

Here is where all the BS is coming from

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=422917854507634&id=422264631239623&comment_id=2388001&reply_comment_id=2388114&offset=0&total_comments=28&notif_t=feed_comment (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=422917854507634&id=422264631239623&comment_id=2388001&reply_comment_id=2388114&offset=0&total_comments=28&notif_t=feed_comment)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 11, 2014, 08:33:06 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on January 11, 2014, 01:21:21 AM
More from brent.

I try to be a nice guy. Try to build bridges *bangs head against the wall* No more facebook for me for a while.

Here is where all the BS is coming from

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=422917854507634&id=422264631239623&comment_id=2388001&reply_comment_id=2388114&offset=0&total_comments=28&notif_t=feed_comment (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=422917854507634&id=422264631239623&comment_id=2388001&reply_comment_id=2388114&offset=0&total_comments=28&notif_t=feed_comment)
Yeesh!  As if I needed yet another reason to not join Facebook.  Hell, he couldn't just check out Hawkeye's videos?  I'm sure he's debunked that "wage slavery! work or starve!" bullshit before.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 11, 2014, 11:02:58 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 11, 2014, 12:24:08 AM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/114054462@N02/11881738505/sizes/o/

That Ryan Steinbruner character is the epitome of everything that's wrong with state worship. Who wants to bet he'd NEVER accept that exact same reasoning from a religious fundamentalist?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 11, 2014, 11:22:54 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 11, 2014, 11:02:58 AM
That Ryan Steinbruner character is the epitome of everything that's wrong with state worship. Who wants to bet he'd NEVER accept that exact same reasoning from a religious fundamentalist?
Yet he doesn't seem to want to call Obama (his lord and savior no doubt) out on this crap...lemme guess.  "BUT BUSH!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 11, 2014, 12:13:51 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1017565_815276178489837_1297788334_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 11, 2014, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on January 11, 2014, 12:13:51 PM
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...I'm not sure whether to be disgusted, be confused, or just laugh that's so pathetic.  Seriously; is this a parody/satire by an anarcho capitalist poking fun of the anarcho communists?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 11, 2014, 12:55:49 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 11, 2014, 12:16:51 PM
...I'm not sure whether to be disgusted, be confused, or just laugh that's so pathetic.  Seriously; is this a parody/satire by an anarcho capitalist poking fun of the anarcho communists?

It was fom the AnCom anarchsit memes, but maybe it is AnCap satire.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on January 11, 2014, 01:06:12 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on January 11, 2014, 12:13:51 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1017565_815276178489837_1297788334_n.jpg)
Is this image meant to be a troll? If so, then it's a really bad troll. I give it a 1/10.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 11, 2014, 01:18:57 PM
Quote from: BreadGod on January 11, 2014, 01:06:12 PM
Is this image meant to be a troll? If so, then it's a really bad troll. I give it a 1/10.

What the fuck am I even looking at? I'll only give it a 1/10 because it got me to respond.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2v0cw2t.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 11, 2014, 04:30:25 PM
Quote from: D on January 11, 2014, 01:18:57 PM
What the fuck am I even looking at? I'll only give it a 1/10 because it got me to respond.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2v0cw2t.jpg)

-5/10.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 11, 2014, 07:58:35 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 11, 2014, 11:02:58 AM
That Ryan Steinbruner character is the epitome of everything that's wrong with state worship. Who wants to bet he'd NEVER accept that exact same reasoning from a religious fundamentalist?

He actually voted for Ron Paul, So, I don't know how that works.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 11, 2014, 08:13:01 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 11, 2014, 11:22:54 AM
Yet he doesn't seem to want to call Obama (his lord and savior no doubt) out on this crap...lemme guess.  "BUT BUSH!"
He doesn't like Obama, but does say he's better than Bush.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 11, 2014, 09:00:03 PM
http://marketshadows.com/2013/04/23/dear-america-heres-why-everyone-thinks-you-have-a-problem-with-guns/

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/angry/bang-head-on-desk.gif)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on January 11, 2014, 09:32:14 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on January 11, 2014, 09:00:03 PM
http://marketshadows.com/2013/04/23/dear-america-heres-why-everyone-thinks-you-have-a-problem-with-guns/

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/angry/bang-head-on-desk.gif)

Gog, you could make a small Fail Topic out of this article.

Just to stroke my own ego, I do recall pointing out the fail on one of those graphs before...

Quote from: Altimadark on December 29, 2012, 02:27:06 PM
From Bloomberg: American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015 (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exceed-traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html). And before I even started reading, I noticed this little spin:

(http://www.bloomberg.com/image/i3cs6F7hTHkc.jpg)

Notice the long-term trends. It's sad when your fail gets picked up before you say a single word.

Yep, there it is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 11, 2014, 10:08:29 PM
Here are couple of my favorites

QuoteIn the U.K., handguns are illegal and a person needs to get a certificate — and prove they have a good reason — to own a rifle or shotgun. Anyone convicted of a crime cannot touch a gun for 5 years. There are 0.07 gun homicides per every 100,000 people.

(http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/51707912ecad04f371000012-590/in-the-uk-handguns-are-illegal-and-a-person-needs-to-get-a-certificate--and-prove-they-have-a-good-reason--to-own-a-rifle-or-shotgun-anyone-convicted-of-a-crime-cannot-touch-a-gun-for-5-years-there-are-007-gun-homicides-per-every-100000-people.jpg)

Their overall homicide rate is 1.2 according to the UNODC Homicide per 100000

Also look at the rates prior to gun control.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/1996/08/03/international-00028/

QuoteIn Japan, touching a gun without a license can result in 10 years in prison. To obtain a rifle or shotgun, a citizen must undergo an exhaustive application process involving several exams, health tests, police authorization, background checks, and the installation of a safe. There are 122 million people in Japan. In 2008, there were 11 gun homicides. In 2006 there were 2.

(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/516dbe83ecad041d4b000024-590/in-japan-touching-a-gun-without-a-license-can-result-in-10-years-in-prison-to-obtain-a-rifle-or-shotgun-a-citizen-must-undergo-an-exhaustive-application-process-involving-several-exams-health-tests-police-authorization-background-checks-and-the-installation-of-a-safe-there-are-122-million-people-in-japan-in-2008-there-were-11-gun-homicides-in-2006-there-were-2.jpg)


::) *groan*

https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=2325.0

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 12, 2014, 10:16:58 AM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/q71/182972_562878253804089_584924709_n.jpg)

You could argue that this is a Fav quote because it shows the idea that prayer is bullshit when it comes to medicine, but at the same time it just comes off as downright spiteful and even hateful. Any doctor that would do this would be just as horrible of a person as the family that decides to not treat their sick family members with medicine but with prayer. I just don't think this kind of spiteful line of thinking is how we should conduct ourselves, especially when trying to convince others of our position.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 12, 2014, 10:52:47 AM
Quote from: D on January 12, 2014, 10:16:58 AM

You could argue that this is a Fav quote because it shows the idea that prayer is bullshit when it comes to medicine, but at the same time it just comes off as downright spiteful and even hateful. Any doctor that would do this would be just as horrible of a person as the family that decides to not treat their sick family members with medicine but with prayer. I just don't think this kind of spiteful line of thinking is how we should conduct ourselves, especially when trying to convince others of our position.

If results are your goal, it's much more productive to say something like "God is keeping you alive by having you treated with medicine" or if they say "I hope God provides a miracle..." tell them, "He did, his name is Dr. (Whatever it happens to be)".

You can argue about the rest of it later, when they're not sick, or injured, or in crises.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 12, 2014, 11:21:11 AM
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/q71/s720x720/1525451_10151825627936333_225051070_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 12, 2014, 05:00:46 PM
(http://i31.tinypic.com/ketf9w.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 12, 2014, 07:56:41 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 12, 2014, 05:00:46 PM
(http://i31.tinypic.com/ketf9w.jpg)

Ilove the logic logic: It's OK if people are dead, if animals live...

but people are animals. are they therefore saying that it is OK to kills animals if animals live? OK, lemme grab that knife: I'll slit the throat of every swine I find.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 13, 2014, 07:13:06 AM
Quote from: T dog on January 12, 2014, 05:00:46 PM
(http://i31.tinypic.com/ketf9w.jpg)


The logic in this reminds me of a fav qoute of mine

Quote"Kill the spiders and save the butterflies... it's rational until you realize that by striving for it, you become a spider yourself."
—Vash the Stampede, Trigun
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 13, 2014, 06:51:50 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article/192_6-insane-laws-well-need-in-future/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 13, 2014, 08:33:35 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 12, 2014, 05:00:46 PM
(http://i31.tinypic.com/ketf9w.jpg)

Ok then, off yourself!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 13, 2014, 09:23:08 PM
[yt]Zi1gortW-Zs[/yt]

Aww, how cute.  It thinks it's people.  I give the object 1/10, but only because it got me to respond.  That's the best I can do.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 14, 2014, 08:41:24 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-gun-lovers-haters-can-agree-on/
As usual going with just the item titles:
6) No shit.
5) No shit.
4) Um, for whom?  Didn't you just say gun owners aren't a unified group? Tell that shit to folks in the ghetto with no self defense against gangs or the police (who more often than not aren't even there to begin with, much less protecting anyone but their own paychecks and their guilty peers).
3) So why don't gun control freaks start doing that?  I see a metric fuck ton of that shit from them than I do the gun lovers.
2) No shit.  It's also a thing for young black urban males.  And for people who just want a means of self defense.  Duh.
1) Horseshit.  What do you think the effect of gun laws/restrictions/regulations/etc are?

And if you think I'm being too hard on him, remember he's the same guy who wrote this:  http://www.cracked.com/article_20134_8-election-myths-you-probably-believe.html
Looks like we found a contender for David Wong of worst cracked.com author!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 14, 2014, 07:22:15 PM
"I'm sure all the slave laborists @ Foxcomm(China) and Indonesian textile slaves are THRILLED at how well the USSA yuppie Libertarian kids are all "confident' and 'getting along better' and such:  well done!" comment on the Dyslexics of the world -untie vid ill be posting in fave quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 15, 2014, 11:24:43 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20843_6-shocking-realities-secret-troubled-teen-industry.html
Not sure if fail or not, but until further notice, it goes here. Especially the bit of "NO REGULATION!!1111eleven"
And yes, I'm going just by the titles as usual. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 15, 2014, 01:21:12 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 15, 2014, 11:24:43 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20843_6-shocking-realities-secret-troubled-teen-industry.html
Not sure if fail or not, but until further notice, it goes here. Especially the bit of "NO REGULATION!!1111eleven"
And yes, I'm going just by the titles as usual. :P

Well, let's see:

1. The brain washing stays with you forever.

Mostly true, as would any indoctrination undergone as an adolescent.

2. The treatment methods are insane (and ineffective).

If what she describes is true, then yeah. However, there is no reason to believe all such programs are run like this. Also, sometimes these methods are used only per parental request.

3. There's literally no regulation.

Unsubstantiated at best. Even if the state doesn't have specific rules, the federal gov't does, and all child neglect/abuse laws still apply.

4. Kid's die in there care.

I guess.

5. Your Parents give you up to a private company.

No, actually they don't. They give a private company permission to transport you to a care facility, and provide treatment. Also, in most cases, the parents are fully aware of the treatment plan, and must specifically approve anything that's extraordinary.

6. Your parents can hire people to take you away.

Maybe? Treatment against a patient's will is legally complicated at best, and depending on the circumstances, being transported as she describes would count as negligence/abuse. When I went, the people came during the day, at an expected time (I was told it was for something else), and when they conducted the home interview, it was explained to my parents exactly what would happen. I was present, but it was clear nobody was talking to me. At that time, it was discussed things like how often and how long I would be allowed to call home, receive mail/packages, etc.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 15, 2014, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 15, 2014, 01:21:12 PM
Well, let's see:

1. The brain washing stays with you forever.

Mostly true, as would any indoctrination undergone as an adolescent.

2. The treatment methods are insane (and ineffective).

If what she describes is true, then yeah. However, there is no reason to believe all such programs are run like this. Also, sometimes these methods are used only per parental request.

3. There's literally no regulation.

Unsubstantiated at best. Even if the state doesn't have specific rules, the federal gov't does, and all child neglect/abuse laws still apply.

4. Kid's die in there care.

I guess.

5. Your Parents give you up to a private company.

No, actually they don't. They give a private company permission to transport you to a care facility, and provide treatment. Also, in most cases, the parents are fully aware of the treatment plan, and must specifically approve anything that's extraordinary.

6. Your parents can hire people to take you away.

Maybe? Treatment against a patient's will is legally complicated at best, and depending on the circumstances, being transported as she describes would count as negligence/abuse. When I went, the people came during the day, at an expected time (I was told it was for something else), and when they conducted the home interview, it was explained to my parents exactly what would happen. I was present, but it was clear nobody was talking to me. At that time, it was discussed things like how often and how long I would be allowed to call home, receive mail/packages, etc.
In other words, a mixed bag at best.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 15, 2014, 03:11:04 PM
http://seattlefreepress.org/2014/01/14/on-the-anarchist-memes-drama-or-why-do-capitalists-want-to-be-anarchists/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 15, 2014, 03:35:24 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 15, 2014, 11:24:43 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20843_6-shocking-realities-secret-troubled-teen-industry.html
Not sure if fail or not, but until further notice, it goes here. Especially the bit of "NO REGULATION!!1111eleven"
And yes, I'm going just by the titles as usual. :P

Major fail in the graphic they used: "Their [Montana's] roads also had no speed limits back in the '90s." Yes, and accidents and fatalities DROPPED DRAMATICALLY. Notice how they didn't mention that part?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 15, 2014, 03:48:18 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 15, 2014, 03:35:24 PM
Major fail in the graphic they used: "Their [Montana's] roads also had no speed limits back in the '90s." Yes, and accidents and fatalities DROPPED DRAMATICALLY. Notice how they didn't mention that part?

Actually, when my family traveled through Montana in the late 80's, there were signs every few miles that said "55 MEANS 55", and the graphics on them tended to indicate they were dead serious about the speed limit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 15, 2014, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 15, 2014, 03:48:18 PM
Actually, when my family traveled through Montana in the late 80's, there were signs every few miles that said "55 MEANS 55", and the graphics on them tended to indicate they were dead serious about the speed limit.

Yes, this was the next decade. Read about it: http://www.motorists.org/press/montana-no-speed-limit-safety-paradox
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 15, 2014, 04:07:57 PM
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/extra-punctuation/10857-To-Hell-With-Comments
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 15, 2014, 05:47:12 PM
more anarchist telling what to do. Rawr.

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/anarchism/writers/anarcho/anarchism/libcap/refuteAC.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 15, 2014, 09:05:31 PM
Oh yeah, because saying the one thing that you were forced to say as a kid totally makes you real fucking edgy and cool. Also, way to blatantly lie about kids not being forced to recite the stupid pledge. That's just as blatantly stupid as when Christians whine that they got rid of "god" from school. Only a moron would actually think this.

(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/q71/1380808_643304282389128_1651497993_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 15, 2014, 11:13:24 PM
Wow, why to miss the point of an image.
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1545671_742026485825603_43016309_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 16, 2014, 12:20:59 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 15, 2014, 11:13:24 PM
Wow, why to miss the point of an image.
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1545671_742026485825603_43016309_n.jpg)

This is more problem from inflation rather than minimum wage.

I would wager that the minimum wage (of course along with the inflation) is the reason why food is becoming more expensive. Because now that the price of labor is fixed that makes food more costly to produce and therefore as a result the food prices go up.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on January 16, 2014, 02:08:59 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 15, 2014, 11:13:24 PM
Wow, why to miss the point of an image.
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1545671_742026485825603_43016309_n.jpg)
I saw that same image, but it had a different caption that really got to the heart of the matter.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fh_PVK8ScMA/UVavhznhZgI/AAAAAAAAoq8/mOYbcWYinPY/s1600/Inflation%2Bsilently%2Brobbing%2Byou%2Bof%2Bpurchasing%2Bpower%2Bsince%2B1913.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 16, 2014, 02:36:52 PM
Quote from: BreadGod on January 16, 2014, 02:08:59 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fh_PVK8ScMA/UVavhznhZgI/AAAAAAAAoq8/mOYbcWYinPY/s1600/Inflation%2Bsilently%2Brobbing%2Byou%2Bof%2Bpurchasing%2Bpower%2Bsince%2B1913.jpg)
That's a fav quote!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 16, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
Well thanks to this page for confirming that parody is dead.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/General-Shermans-March-To-The-Sea/193638444048101
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 16, 2014, 02:40:00 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20789_6-shocking-studies-that-prove-science-totally-broken.html
6) The FDA which is a government institution monopolizes the regulation of this.  Need I say more?
5) Govco is in charge of the schools, colleges, universities, etc, so this is their fault.  End of.
4) See above.
3) Which is why knowing what samples and populations a study *is* dealing with and to whom they apply and why is so important.
2) ...Not even gonna dignify that with a response.
1) Which is why repeatability and falsification is such a must, and why IP laws and bogus 'contracts' legally prohibiting scientists from publishing results that make a company look bad and thus preventing honesty are so dangerous.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BogosityForumUser on January 16, 2014, 04:47:44 PM
For those of you that aren't aware, The Young Turks did 2 pieces on the lawsuit involving radiation contamination by the sailors on the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan.  Turns out, they weren't exactly accurate and Thunderf00t called them on it.  So they posted the following "correction": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6acXDwLOvqI

I linked to the Youtube page because the comments are great (at least right now, when there is around 30 of them).  They are calling them out for hypocrisy.  Among the best are:

Quote"Gees guys, do a correction video with humility, don't come out swinging, you look like idiots."

QuoteWow, you're still idiots. The sailors on the Reagan are NOT sick from radiation, it's all bullshit, that is the fucking point. The foam is from SOAP, they were scrubbing the deck. Even in your correction video you get the shit wrong. Pathetic.

And

QuoteOy vey. TYT criticises everyone and their mother week-in week-out about the alleged failures of journalism in America.

But as soon as they get something wrong, we get a video quietly uploaded to TYTShows with Cenk and Ana rolling their eyes and making silly excuses.

What's most hilarious is Cenk's "I DIDN'T WRITE THE CAPTION" whilst he criticises other journalists for regurgitating news and not doing their own research.

On second thought, maybe I should have put in a nomination for TYT to get BBE or IE.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on January 16, 2014, 05:00:15 PM
Well, I guess it was only a matter of time until Steve made a 5 Stupid Things about Libertarianism video, and it is as ironically stupid as I thought it would be:

[yt]yJwN-EwBOgM[/yt]

My response in the comments:
Quote1) So? As long as I'm harming no one else, I should be left alone. The problem is that government too often hassles and punishes people who have done no harm. (i.e.: smoke a plant, have sex with someone of the same sex, walk along the street while black, etc.) If opposing that unnecessary intrusiveness makes me "selfishness", than I posit that every single decent human being is "selfish."

2) Our current government has the power to target citizens for indefinite detention, lethal force, and assassination. If that doesn't count as "tyrannical", I don't know what the heck is. And again, if opposing that excessive power makes me crazy, than every single decent human being is.

3) If rolling back bad policies that have proven to have done more harm than good makes me "anachronistic"...well, you get the picture at this point.

4) Libertarians like me point out the tangible problems within our government. Statists reply that if we don't like the current government as it is, that we should move to Somalia because the government and the taxes we pay to fund it are the price we pay for living in a civilized society. You tell me who is "condescending" and "smug" here.

5) So government is the magical force preventing the warlord barbarians from forcing themselves in charge? News flash: they already are in charge. As my friend LordTHawkeye once said, everything you fear will happen without government has already happened. Meanwhile, there are several countries with more economic freedom than America (Hong Kong, Singapore, New Zealand, Australia, Switzerland, Canada, etc.), and none of them are the nightmare scenario that you imagined. Finally, if you think government is the only tool to prevent people from gaining and abusing power, please watch Shane Killian's video here: http://youtu.be/yAa6dYBwy7M
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 16, 2014, 05:43:26 PM
[yt]BF2wEgIOSMQ[/yt]
In the comments of the above video:

Quote from: BlameTheFirstReading the comments here. Seeing a whole lot of hate. Seems like some people weren't hugged as children. Probably symptomatic of the problem that this film is trying to highlight, which is the breakdown of family values. Broken families tend to produce broken people, which explains these comments a lot. Perhaps if they sought out love and family in their own lives, they wouldn't have a need to be so hateful. So sad. What is this country coming to?

Seriously?  Smug ad hominems with no substance.   Christ, it's like when Stef shows off his conservative said.  Never good.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 16, 2014, 06:23:49 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on January 16, 2014, 05:00:15 PM
Well, I guess it was only a matter of time until Steve made a 5 Stupid Things about Libertarianism video, and it is as ironically stupid as I thought it would be:

[yt]yJwN-EwBOgM[/yt]

And my response:

[yt]xsWgEqXfUXA[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 17, 2014, 01:03:49 AM
Matt Walsh is back.
http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/01/16/hey-public-schools-its-time-for-a-separation-of-sex-and-state/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2014, 03:37:42 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20716_6-legitimate-organizations-that-secretly-act-like-mafia.html
Note how every single one of these either is government or is an industry that greatly benefits from government regulation and laws (e.g. healthcare providers and drug rehab clinics respectively).  Put in fail quotes because of the word "legitimate" used when describing government.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 17, 2014, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 17, 2014, 03:37:42 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20716_6-legitimate-organizations-that-secretly-act-like-mafia.html
Note how every single one of these either is government or is an industry that greatly benefits from government regulation and laws (e.g. healthcare providers and drug rehab clinics respectively).  Put in fail quotes because of the word "legitimate" used when describing government.

Okay, there is a mountain of fail coming here.

#6 -
Quotedrug rehab clinics invent patients to get tax dollars [/unquote]

Well...sort of. But typically what is provided doesn't cover the actual cost of recovery.
#5
QuoteEthiopia traffics stolen kids to America

Um, no idea...

Oh fuck it. T dog pretty much covered it (except where nothing we do has anything to do with anything)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 17, 2014, 09:54:30 PM
you guys look what I found.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 17, 2014, 10:13:03 PM
[yt]-9L74NSUEew[/yt]


OH...My....GOD!



Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 17, 2014, 10:49:00 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on January 17, 2014, 10:13:03 PM
[yt]-9L74NSUEew[/yt]


OH...My....GOD!

some people are retards.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2014, 11:15:22 PM
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/how-to-save-marriage/
A sample: "
    Wives of alphas should learn to ignore their husbands' affairs and mistresses

Alpha husbands who can get their rocks off with younger pretty mistresses won't be as liable to walk away from their marriages because their sexual satiation, coupled with the wives' loyal acquiescence, would discourage them from seeking divorce to clear the way to hot sex. Double plus societal bonus: More alphas tied up in marriage means more women available to marry betas.

The reverse scenario does not apply because a cheating wife is much more dangerous to the stability of the marriage than a cheating husband. Double standard? Of course! Deal. Human nature cares not for your equalist shibboleths."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 17, 2014, 11:58:19 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/01/16/why-your-unpaid-internship-makes-you-less-employable/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 18, 2014, 07:17:43 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 17, 2014, 11:58:19 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/01/16/why-your-unpaid-internship-makes-you-less-employable/

Um:

QuoteBut for those who choose to volunteer their time at an unpaid internship, don't call it slave labor. Sure, unpaid internships are voluntary, classist, and unnecessary. That doesn't change that they are voluntary.

Not much for editing her sentences for coherency, is she?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 18, 2014, 10:09:07 PM
http://feminism-is-insane.tumblr.com/post/67187966119/beatricethegolden-villainouslaughs-but-its
I really need to avoid Tumblr.  The second post/comment on the top text area is just lame.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 19, 2014, 08:15:43 AM
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obese

"People are considered obese when their body mass index (BMI), a measurement obtained by dividing a person's weight in kilograms by the square of the person's height in meters, exceeds 30 kg/m^2.[3]"

Seriously Wikipedia?  Seriously?  Their 3rd source--the one used for that quote--is from the WHO.  Between this and their bogus study on UHC, as if I needed another reason to not take them seriously...
As Shane, and even Christina H of cracked.com have pointed out, BMI is not a good metric for that.  It doesn't differentiate between lean body mass and fat for one.  Second, it includes height, which isn't exactly relevant.  Finally, that metric listed is the one used for men.  Women can have a higher body fat % until they are considered obese.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 19, 2014, 08:40:06 AM
Quote from: T dog on January 19, 2014, 08:15:43 AM
My personal favorite is when I took the world's tallest person ever (8'11'' and 460 lbs) it said he had a BMI of > 40 making him obese...yet look at the pictures of the guy.  He is normal.

Actually, to me he looks kind of skinny.  This may be a combination of not having filled out completely (men typically continue to gain width until about 25, and he died at 22) and being in poor health (he had a form of acromegally, the same hormonal disorder that Andre the Giant famously had, and eventually died from) and other health problems as well.  Robert Wadlow didn't live long enough to have pronounced secondary effects to his appearance but dud develop serious leg problems before he died.

His BMI, incidentally, was 27.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 19, 2014, 08:45:13 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on January 19, 2014, 08:40:06 AM
His BMI, incidentally, was 27.
Which was why I deleted that part.  I did the did the calculation again and found I was wrong originally.  And yeah, I got about 27 for the re calculation.  Derp.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on January 19, 2014, 07:18:02 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/russian-president-putin-links-gays-pedophiles-122800122--spt.html (http://news.yahoo.com/russian-president-putin-links-gays-pedophiles-122800122--spt.html)

Oh and some more Fail look at some of these comments

QuoteRight on Putin!

Since unnatural homosexual relationships take out the essential element of reproduction out of life they are left with a terrible void in their lives. So how do homosexuals fill this void?? recruiting. They seek out young impressionable people of the same sex and convince them their lifestyle is "normal" and that its not a choice but somehow you are born that way which is a complete lie. Homosexuality is a choice and and abnormal one at that. The only thing that keeps there degradation of humanity going is recruitment.


QuoteTo be attracted to little kids is unnatural. But so is matting with members of the same sex. Offended? Don't believe me? Let me ask you something, can you make a baby with someone too young? Can you make a baby with someone from the same sex (naturally without science)? No? Well, there is a reason why, and it is because it is unnatural. The only purpose of sex, is to reproduce, anything else is extra, like the fact that it feels good. So if matting with members of the same sex feels good to you, you are "gay" out of lust. Because there is no other reason to be gay, other than having sex with members of the same gender. And if sex did not feel good, nobody would be gay. Just because you want to go against the grain, does not mean the ENTIRE WORLD has to be okay with it or jump on the bandwagon. There is nothing else, and that is called the bottom line.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 19, 2014, 07:34:45 PM
Quote from: Dukect45 on January 19, 2014, 07:18:02 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/russian-president-putin-links-gays-pedophiles-122800122--spt.html (http://news.yahoo.com/russian-president-putin-links-gays-pedophiles-122800122--spt.html)

Oh and some more Fail look at some of these comments


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nFIjc2-NDAc/Tw4FqQuNNaI/AAAAAAAAAlU/OhuivJ7u6xc/s1600/worf-startrek-facepalm.gif)

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 19, 2014, 08:25:54 PM
Quote from: Dukect45 on January 19, 2014, 07:18:02 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/russian-president-putin-links-gays-pedophiles-122800122--spt.html (http://news.yahoo.com/russian-president-putin-links-gays-pedophiles-122800122--spt.html)

Oh and some more Fail look at some of these comments


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nFIjc2-NDAc/Tw4FqQuNNaI/AAAAAAAAAlU/OhuivJ7u6xc/s1600/worf-startrek-facepalm.gif)

when Worf facepalms, you know it is bad.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 19, 2014, 11:39:45 PM
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1/178931_10151269351683706_644276100_n.jpg)
Umm...Source?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 20, 2014, 02:22:14 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 19, 2014, 11:39:45 PM
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Umm...Source?

here http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/monsantocorn.asp (http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/monsantocorn.asp)
this woo-vendor http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/06/dangerous-toxins-from-gmo-foods.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/06/dangerous-toxins-from-gmo-foods.aspx)

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 20, 2014, 08:30:38 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 20, 2014, 02:22:14 AM
here http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/monsantocorn.asp (http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/monsantocorn.asp)
this woo-vendor http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/06/dangerous-toxins-from-gmo-foods.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/06/dangerous-toxins-from-gmo-foods.aspx)

Really, you can stop when you see "mercola." It's really like NaturalNews.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 20, 2014, 07:43:35 PM
[yt]tVvZNgww9tw[/yt]

Out of three callers, only one had some common sense to realize that these cops were CLEARLY in the wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on January 20, 2014, 11:15:04 PM
Quote from: D on January 20, 2014, 07:43:35 PM
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Out of three callers, only one had some common sense to realize that these cops were CLEARLY in the wrong.
It's still hard for me to believe that we are really that far gone as a society. It's hard for me to believe that so many people will support the police no matter what atrocious acts they commit. Unfortunately, this is the sad truth.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 21, 2014, 05:51:06 AM
QuoteGMOs have been proven to cause cancer. I don't know enough about the subject to really engage in this discussion but I can see how GMOs that internally produce their own pesticides would be bad for you. What's poison to pests is poison to us too.

Somebody doesn't understand how poison works.

QuoteYou want to spend another 20 years testing GMO before putting it into the public, sure...but all the tumors and poisons and toxins (yes, they are different) involved...no thanks assholes.

fear mongering an unsubstantiated claims meant to poison the well by spout ing off scary words.

Quote..if this is true (That GMOs aren't Evil Incarnate), then why have so many countries burned GMO crops, and refused to accept them from the US?

I don't know why do some countries ban marijuana? Why do some cultures ban and/or burn "seditious" or "blasphemous" material? Why were people executed for being witches?

Quotehow is it dangerous , field testing is done in a field, in fields there is no "stringent lab" its a field, next to the next field.

Again, not knowing what a term means.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 21, 2014, 06:52:54 AM
Quote from: tnu on January 21, 2014, 05:51:06 AM
Somebody doesn't understand how poison works.

fear mongering an unsubstantiated claims meant to poison the well by spout ing off scary words.

I don't know why do some countries ban marijuana? Why do some cultures ban and/or burn "seditious" or "blasphemous" material? Why were people executed for being witches?

Again, not knowing what a term means.

Not to mention: "GMOs haven't been tested and we KNOW they cause cancer!" Um, wait a second...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 21, 2014, 07:29:02 AM
Quote from: tnu on January 21, 2014, 05:51:06 AM
Somebody doesn't understand how poison works.

fear mongering an unsubstantiated claims meant to poison the well by spout ing off scary words.

I don't know why do some countries ban marijuana? Why do some cultures ban and/or burn "seditious" or "blasphemous" material? Why were people executed for being witches?

Again, not knowing what a term means.
As Shane hinted with those: "GMO's haven't been tested!" "GMO's cause cancer; we know this!"--um, contradictions much, OP?
And once again, we've been genetically modifying plants and animals for thousands of years.  It's how we have corn and bananas to eat, and cats and dogs to keep as pets.  The only difference is that instead of being done haphazardly over many generations, it's now being done in a controlled/safer environment over a much shorter time.

Now consider the benefits.  In 1970 Norman Borlaugh won the Nobel Peace prize for saving over a billion lives from just one genetically altered crop (wheat) that he helped plant fields of in Mexico, Pakistan and India.  I'll actually tolerate a few risks if it means billions of lives are saved; thank you very much.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 21, 2014, 03:42:30 PM
I don't watch football, but, I'm getting tired of people shitting on it.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on January 21, 2014, 03:47:18 PM
If you want a good idea of the nonsense that permeates reddit, especially the subreddit r/politics, check out the subreddit ShitPoliticsSays (http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitPoliticsSays/). It offers you a safe view through the looking glass into the demented wonderland that the subreddit is.

One penitent example (http://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1vfbb7/holder_shakes_down_racist_banks_for_nearly_1_bil/ces1ekz):

Quote"Mother Jones is libertarian-leaning, and MSNBC is a bunch of conservative, corporate shills."

What insane bizzaro universe do these people live in, because they can't possibly she sharing the objective universe we live in. Not by a long shot!

Another "fine" example (http://www.np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1vfwzk/sen_bernie_sanders_rips_walmarts_founding_family/cerxeao):

Quote"Here's my take on Walmart: I should be able to walk into any one of their stores, take anything I'd like off the shelf, and walk out without paying. My tax dollars are going straight into the pockets of the Walton family and I don't even shop there. I just get to subsidize their payroll."

I don't exactly feel safe driving down the highway knowing that these people drive alongside it. People that vapid should not be trusted to operate heavy machinery.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 21, 2014, 03:58:04 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on January 21, 2014, 03:47:18 PM
If you want a good idea of the nonsense that permeates reddit, especially the subreddit r/politics, check out the subreddit ShitPoliticsSays (http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitPoliticsSays/). It offers you a safe view through the looking glass into the demented wonderland that the subreddit is.

One penitent example (http://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1vfbb7/holder_shakes_down_racist_banks_for_nearly_1_bil/ces1ekz):

What insane bizzaro universe do these people live in, because they can’t possibly she sharing the objective universe we live in. Not by a long shot!

Another “fine” example (http://www.np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1vfwzk/sen_bernie_sanders_rips_walmarts_founding_family/cerxeao):

I don’t exactly feel safe driving down the highway knowing that these people drive alongside it. People that vapid should not be trusted to operate heavy machinery.
@First example:  ...please tell me he's being sarcastic.
@Second Example:  Dude, people like that shouldn't be trusted period.

Yeah, and I thought Tumblr was bad...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 21, 2014, 04:49:45 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 21, 2014, 05:54:49 PM
Via Being Liberal
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 21, 2014, 06:02:26 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 21, 2014, 05:54:49 PM
Via Being Liberal
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To me, they might as well be calling atheists "traitors."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 21, 2014, 06:08:27 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 21, 2014, 06:02:26 PM
To me, they might as well be calling atheists "traitors."
I swear the farther I go down their page that dumber this shit gets.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 21, 2014, 06:12:11 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 21, 2014, 06:08:27 PM
I swear the farther I go down their page that dumber this shit gets.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/1524862_10151945930391275_1813849651_n.png)
Cuz lord knows we haven't debunked THAT horseshit enough times.  Christ, it might as well be a logical fallacy at this point.  Or something like Godwin's Law, where, if the opponent throws it out, they automatically lose.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 21, 2014, 06:40:28 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 21, 2014, 05:54:49 PM
Via Being Liberal
(https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/p403x403/1613927_10151947123906275_1146935439_n.jpg)

Then I guess the US flag represents acts of sedition and treason to Great Britain.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on January 21, 2014, 07:37:41 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 21, 2014, 06:08:27 PM
I swear the farther I go down their page that dumber this shit gets.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/1524862_10151945930391275_1813849651_n.png)
Oh god damn it, not the "MOOV 2 SOHMAULEEYUH" bullshit again. Somalia didn't actually get rid of its state. It broke apart into dozens of smaller states. Calling Somalia anarchism is like saying that burning down a church leads to atheism.

Quote from: T dog on January 21, 2014, 06:12:11 PM
Cuz lord knows we haven't debunked THAT horseshit enough times.  Christ, it might as well be a logical fallacy at this point.  Or something like Godwin's Law, where, if the opponent throws it out, they automatically lose.
Argumentum ad Somalia?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 22, 2014, 02:01:18 AM
Quote from: T dog on January 21, 2014, 06:02:26 PM
To me, they might as well be calling atheists "traitors."

Sorry, I don't see a connection.

Between pictures of Confederate flags, and atheists I mean.

There are those that DO consider Atheists traitors, or at best unpatriotic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 22, 2014, 06:23:58 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 22, 2014, 02:01:18 AM
Sorry, I don't see a connection.
It's two majority groups calling a corresponding minority group traitors when they aren't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 22, 2014, 08:00:49 AM
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-reasons-legalized-weed-proving-to-be-total-bummer/
Sorry, but fail.  Especially when everything listed is all but likely to be from government so calling it "legal" is misleading at best.  Simply put, did we see this stuff back when alcohol prohibition ended?  I didn't think so.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 22, 2014, 09:42:27 AM
Joe's little rant about the Bioshock Infinite Vox Populi.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on January 22, 2014, 09:58:29 AM
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Teh stupid!  It hurts so bad!!!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 22, 2014, 01:11:39 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 22, 2014, 06:23:58 AM
It's two majority groups calling a corresponding minority group traitors when they aren't.

Oh, okay. In that case, I'm going to say these majority groups aren't a majority, they only act like they are. Also, since treason has a very specific meaning, at least where the United States is concerned, people really need to stop throwing the word around.

As a side note, by the OP's logic, displaying the flag of Mississippi on the fourth of July would be inappropriate, too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 22, 2014, 01:42:18 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 22, 2014, 01:11:39 PMOh, okay. In that case, I'm going to say these majority groups aren't a majority, they only act like they are. Also, since treason has a very specific meaning, at least where the United States is concerned, people really need to stop throwing the word around.

In fact, since the definition involves making war against the states, wouldn't that make Lincoln the one who committed treason?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on January 22, 2014, 01:45:58 PM
Yet again PZ Myers exposes his statheism. This time, he's replying to a "gun fondler" who argues that we should feel no more threatened by a gun owner than we should by a cop. PZ's rebuttal:

QuoteDid he just compare trained police officers with responsibilities, a uniform, and a specific role in the community to random jerkwads with a pistol tucked in their pants? That the police dissuade crime is their job; I would not feel more at ease in a restaurant if everyone was sitting there, armed. Quite the contrary.

If most of us are unarmed, relying on a few delegated officials to suppress crime, it's true, we're less likely to have crime scenes erupting all over the place. If everyone's carrying a gun, we're more likely to have criminal activity that turns into a blazing bloodbath. Not interested. Not convinced at all.

Stats have shown, time and again, that you are more likely to be killed by a cop than a lowly criminal. That should be expected when we grant a minority the sole privilege of utilizing force and coercion on everyone else.

And no, having less people armed does not equal less violent crime. To the contrary, a recent study (http://www.mediaite.com/online/new-study-demolishes-almost-every-gun-control-myth/) has shown that open carry laws actually correlate to less murders and other violent crime. This should surprise no one but the gun grabbers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on January 22, 2014, 02:03:04 PM
QuoteIf most of us are unarmed, relying on a few delegated officials to suppress crime, it's true, we're less likely to have crime scenes erupting all over the place. If everyone's carrying a gun, we're more likely to have criminal activity that turns into a blazing bloodbath. Not interested. Not convinced at all.

I burst out laughing when I read that. Gun control advocates seem to live in a fantasy land where if guns are completely banned then there is no crime or murder. Doesn't PZ know that criminals don't obey gun control laws? If most of us are unarmed, then we become easy pickings for criminals. Just look at Chicago. Tightest gun control laws in America, highest murder rate in America. Of course, someone like PZ will say that the criminals in Chicago got their guns from states that have lax gun control laws. If that's the case, then why is it that the states with lax gun control laws have lower crime and murder rates than states that have tight gun control laws?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 22, 2014, 02:09:13 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 22, 2014, 01:42:18 PM
In fact, since the definition involves making war against the states, wouldn't that make Lincoln the one who committed treason?

It could certainly be interpreted that way. I think it depends on who declared war, fired the first shot, what ever it is that caused there to be a condition of war.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 22, 2014, 02:25:03 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 22, 2014, 02:09:13 PM
It could certainly be interpreted that way. I think it depends on who declared war, fired the first shot, what ever it is that caused there to be a condition of war.

Well, the condition that started the war would be Lincoln's extortion racket.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 22, 2014, 03:26:52 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on January 22, 2014, 02:25:03 PM
Well, the condition that started the war would be Lincoln's extortion racket.

That had been going on for years. I'm referring to the actual event at which somebody decided it was a war. As in, somebody shot somebody, somebody bombed something, somebody signed a declaration...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 22, 2014, 03:29:58 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 22, 2014, 02:09:13 PM
It could certainly be interpreted that way. I think it depends on who declared war, fired the first shot, what ever it is that caused there to be a condition of war.

Well, that's what the North claimed: the South were the aggressors because they started the war by firing on Ft. Sumter. But Ft. Sumter is in South Carolina, and although the Feds ceded most of their other forts (the Constitution doesn't allow the Feds to own property in a state without that state's permission), they held on to Ft. Sumter so they could blockade the Port of Charleston and make incoming ships pay the tariffs--tariffs to the NORTH even though the South had seceded..

So, with that in mind, who were the aggressors?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 22, 2014, 03:31:49 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 22, 2014, 03:26:52 PM
That had been going on for years. I'm referring to the actual event at which somebody decided it was a war. As in, somebody shot somebody, somebody bombed something, somebody signed a declaration...

Well, that would be the attempt to stop Lincoln's extortion racket once he tried carrying it out in a completely different country from the one he was in the government of.  Perhaps it would have been better had the Confederacy asked the British for assistance with it? It was largely British ships that were being shaken down.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 22, 2014, 03:33:20 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on January 22, 2014, 03:31:49 PMPerhaps it would have been better had the Confederacy asked the British for assistance with it? It was largely British ships that were being shaken down.

Jefferson Davis said the Confederacy would end slavery in perpetuity in exchange for recognition from both Britain and France. France agreed; Britain didn't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 22, 2014, 03:40:08 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 22, 2014, 03:29:58 PM
Well, that's what the North claimed: the South were the aggressors because they started the war by firing on Ft. Sumter. But Ft. Sumter is in South Carolina, and although the Feds ceded most of their other forts (the Constitution doesn't allow the Feds to own property in a state without that state's permission), they held on to Ft. Sumter so they could blockade the Port of Charleston and make incoming ships pay the tariffs--tariffs to the NORTH even though the South had seceded..

So, with that in mind, who were the aggressors?

IIRC, it wasn't even firing on the actual fort, but on a supply boat trying to run the blockade the Confederacy had on the fort to try and dislodge the soldiers who were, by all the RELEVANT laws (that is, those applicable in the Confederacy and South Carolina and Charleston, which US law had already been determined by SCOTUS to recognize as legitimate), operating an ongoing criminal operation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 22, 2014, 03:45:20 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 22, 2014, 03:29:58 PM
Well, that's what the North claimed: the South were the aggressors because they started the war by firing on Ft. Sumter. But Ft. Sumter is in South Carolina, and although the Feds ceded most of their other forts (the Constitution doesn't allow the Feds to own property in a state without that state's permission), they held on to Ft. Sumter so they could blockade the Port of Charleston and make incoming ships pay the tariffs--tariffs to the NORTH even though the South had seceded..

So, with that in mind, who were the aggressors?

Either way, it would appear the North were the aggressors.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 22, 2014, 06:04:29 PM
Does somebody want to split this debate about the Civil War off?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 22, 2014, 07:41:13 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on January 22, 2014, 03:40:08 PM
IIRC, it wasn't even firing on the actual fort, but on a supply boat trying to run the blockade the Confederacy had on the fort to try and dislodge the soldiers who were, by all the RELEVANT laws (that is, those applicable in the Confederacy and South Carolina and Charleston, which US law had already been determined by SCOTUS to recognize as legitimate), operating an ongoing criminal operation.

No, they fired on the fort, they just didn't actually fire AT anyone. They drove the northern forces off without a single casualty.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 22, 2014, 08:21:37 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 22, 2014, 07:41:13 PM
No, they fired on the fort, they just didn't actually fire AT anyone. They drove the northern forces off without a single casualty.

The version of it I was taught was some random Union sympathizer had blown up some munitions, but it was the Union attacking a Confederate fort, which was trying to stop Union ships from anchoring in the harbor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 22, 2014, 08:46:59 PM
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/q71/1011104_540198746078168_421809499_n.jpg)

Because nothing says, "Non-Aggression Principle" like talking about wanting to kill statists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 22, 2014, 08:52:09 PM
Quote from: D on January 22, 2014, 08:46:59 PM
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/q71/1011104_540198746078168_421809499_n.jpg)

Because nothing says, "Non-Aggression Principle" like talking about wanting to kill statists.

Really. I often get in trouble from people on both sides of the argument because, at heart, I'm an accomodationist. (Yes, I made up a new word, live with it) I have a natural tendency to try to find a solution that works for all parties.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 23, 2014, 01:15:40 AM
http://www.richarddawkins.net/foundation_articles/2013/1/4/sam-harris-neglects-the-most-important-evidence-about-guns
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 23, 2014, 01:23:51 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on January 23, 2014, 01:15:40 AM
http://www.richarddawkins.net/foundation_articles/2013/1/4/sam-harris-neglects-the-most-important-evidence-about-guns

when I'm actually agreeing with that Harris about guns, that is a bad sign about how bad of a fuck-up this article is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 23, 2014, 01:29:33 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 23, 2014, 01:23:51 AM
when I'm actually agreeing with that Harris about guns, that is a bad sign about how bad of a fuck-up this article is.

I'm actually think of making this a separate forum
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 23, 2014, 07:11:46 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 22, 2014, 08:52:09 PM
I have a natural tendency to try to find a solution that works for all parties.

You FIEND!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 24, 2014, 09:23:48 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 24, 2014, 09:47:12 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on January 23, 2014, 01:15:40 AM
http://www.richarddawkins.net/foundation_articles/2013/1/4/sam-harris-neglects-the-most-important-evidence-about-guns

He's delusional enough to use Huffington Post as a source.  That tells anyone all they could need to know about the content.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 24, 2014, 09:57:45 AM
Quote from: D on January 24, 2014, 09:23:48 AM[yt]_KHEkR5yb9A[/yt]

>>Dat title
Oh, this cannot end well.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 24, 2014, 10:50:07 AM
The "back in my day" stuff has always been fail, but it's especially fail when someone from my generation posts this:

(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/408758_10151418654735917_151838261_n.jpg)

Yeah, because we weren't playing video games.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 24, 2014, 10:51:43 AM
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-reasons-chemical-spills-are-way-scarier-than-you-think/
Fail for not giving government the blame it really deserves.  Hooker Chemical + Love Canal anyone?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 24, 2014, 11:16:49 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/01/24/3189211/states-kill-nsa-shutting-water/

Oh Fucking Brother
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 24, 2014, 11:19:01 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on January 24, 2014, 11:16:49 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/01/24/3189211/states-kill-nsa-shutting-water/

Oh Fucking Brother
Wow.  That's bad/wrong on so many levels.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on January 24, 2014, 11:46:57 AM
Quote from: T dog on January 24, 2014, 10:51:43 AM
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-reasons-chemical-spills-are-way-scarier-than-you-think/
Fail for not giving government the blame it really deserves.  Hooker Chemical + Love Canal anyone?
I was just about to post that article. It essentially boils down to, "We need more government to fix the problem!" Even though history has shown that government intervention has only made problems worse, but I don't think the writers of Cracked will let pesky things like "facts" get in the way of their righteous indignation.

Quote from: Skm1091 on January 24, 2014, 11:16:49 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/01/24/3189211/states-kill-nsa-shutting-water/

Oh Fucking Brother
Only a progressive could take something as noble as nullifying unjust laws and make it all about killing off old people. By arguing against nullification, they're trying to justify federal tyranny. Of course, progressives love big government, so the behavior they display in this article is not surprising at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 24, 2014, 02:03:29 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on January 24, 2014, 11:16:49 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/01/24/3189211/states-kill-nsa-shutting-water/

Oh Fucking Brother

Basic anti-nullification garbage. Nothing new.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 24, 2014, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: BreadGod on January 24, 2014, 11:46:57 AM
I was just about to post that article. It essentially boils down to, "We need more government to fix the problem!" Even though history has shown that government intervention has only made problems worse, but I don't think the writers of Cracked will let pesky things like "facts" get in the way of their righteous indignation.
Indeed.  The major fail was that they *admitted* that government was doing bugger all to help these problems, yet still says, "so let's give them more power!"
Would they promote a security officer that slept on the job or even colluded with the thieves?  Madness.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on January 24, 2014, 06:26:29 PM
Well, this just happened!

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(http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv315/theh0lyc0w/Futurama-Farnsworth-IDontWantToLiveOnThisPlanetAnymore.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on January 24, 2014, 08:10:15 PM
Quote from: BreadGod on January 24, 2014, 11:46:57 AM
I was just about to post that article. It essentially boils down to, "We need more government to fix the problem!" Even though history has shown that government intervention has only made problems worse, but I don't think the writers of Cracked will let pesky things like "facts" get in the way of their righteous indignation.
Only a progressive could take something as noble as nullifying unjust laws and make it all about killing off old people. By arguing against nullification, they're trying to justify federal tyranny. Of course, progressives love big government, so the behavior they display in this article is not surprising at all.

And they always think that we are outdated when centralized tyrannical authorities goes all the way back to ancient times.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 25, 2014, 01:53:18 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on January 24, 2014, 06:26:29 PM
Well, this just happened!

[yt]GH68bSJXGE8[/yt]

(http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv315/theh0lyc0w/Futurama-Farnsworth-IDontWantToLiveOnThisPlanetAnymore.png)

I'm not so sure I feel the same way. I think its much bettter to cover an innocent victim of the state then itwou ld be to cover one of their agents.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 25, 2014, 08:28:44 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on January 24, 2014, 06:26:29 PM
Well, this just happened!

[yt]GH68bSJXGE8[/yt]

(http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv315/theh0lyc0w/Futurama-Farnsworth-IDontWantToLiveOnThisPlanetAnymore.png)
Of course it happened, the state loves it some distractions from what really counts, you know?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 25, 2014, 09:05:27 PM
Quote from: T dog on January 25, 2014, 08:28:44 AM
Of course it happened, the state loves it some distractions from what really counts, you know?

I'm waiting for anyone and everyone who is involved in the media farce, to do what KevinTThoms suggested to some fanboys:

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the relevant part (for those of you who don't want to suffer through the fans' hate, and because I believe it is awesome enough to commit to writing):

Quote from: KevinTThomswait a minute! I see you have a kitchen! Kevin's about to help you out with those dishes, they can get awfully dirty can't they? and you're sick of using a sponge, and nothing ever gets fucking clean! I mean what are you going to do?

This is what Kevin's got for you: go and get a bucket--a five gallon bucket; get about two and a half gallons of bleach, pour it in, then get about a gallon and a half of ammonia, pour that in, allright? Stir it with your hand--it's fine, and once it starts to smoke, then you know you've hit the sweet spot! ehh!

OK, now what you need to do, is you need to scrub the shit, breathe it in, and you become "one with the dishes" you have made super-cleaner X-squared! you take that fucking bucket and go up to your bedroom and you lock that fucking door--preferably a deadbolt, OK? And then you write a note: you sit there "you know, I fucking hate all these Justin Bieber haters, I can't take it anymore!". maybe cut yourself and sign it in blood: I don't care! throw a couple of other things in there that you hate: "mommy didn't hug you enough"  "you like to fuck dogs", somthing like that. then,come over! and we're gonna blow him! YEAHHH!!!

And then, when they come over, they're going to write their own fucking notes, OK? and you guys get some sponges, and you fuckingplay around with them, and you spray them splash them into each others eyes and their face and then they're screaming "AHH it's burning!!" But they're fucking with you alright? Johnny passes out, goes through a fucking lamp--it's fine, OK? ignore him, because you need to think about the good things that come from this: If you clean that room and it looks beautiful--if you're ripping the fucking wallpaper off with this bleach and ammonia concoction, Justin Bieber's gonna come over, and guess what he's gonna say? he's gonna say "let me see your room", and you're like "SURE JUSTIN BIEBER!! I'LL BLOW YOU!! GAR GAR GAR!!, and then you're gonna go in, and he's like "OH GOD!! It's so fucking clean in here! Now you can blow me twice!" And then you're gonna be so happy: it's a win-win situation! All of your problems go away! And all of our problems go away!

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 25, 2014, 09:27:00 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 25, 2014, 09:05:27 PM
I'm waiting for anyone and everyone who is involved in the media farce, to do what KevinTThoms suggested to some fanboys:

[yt]8P7Zf1XHa18[/yt]

the relevant part (for those of you who don't want to suffer through the fans' hate, and because I believe it is awesome enough to commit to writing):

And this is why I'm sad that he doesn't make videos anymore.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 25, 2014, 11:04:05 PM
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/08/06/fox-attempts-to-revive-myth-about-personal-choi/195261
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on January 25, 2014, 11:21:51 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 25, 2014, 11:04:05 PM
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/08/06/fox-attempts-to-revive-myth-about-personal-choi/195261
Media Matters has direct ties to the white house (http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/12/inside-media-matters-sources-memos-reveal-erratic-behavior-close-coordination-with-white-house-and-news-organizations/), so I'm not about to believe them about anything.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 26, 2014, 12:24:28 AM
Quote from: BreadGod on January 25, 2014, 11:21:51 PM
Media Matters has direct ties to the white house (http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/12/inside-media-matters-sources-memos-reveal-erratic-behavior-close-coordination-with-white-house-and-news-organizations/), so I'm not about to believe them about anything.

As much as it sucks doing so, I tend to agree with John Stossel on this one. Many women do take time away from their careers to raise their families, so there salaries just aren't going to be the same as someone who's been working for X number of years straight. And yes, on paper, a man could do the same thing, but in reality, we're not yet at a point where that's a socially acceptable option.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 27, 2014, 11:21:22 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/harrybinswanger/2014/01/24/sorry-libertarian-anarchists-capitalism-requires-government-2/

Thats right. Property needs to be confiscated in order to be protected.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 27, 2014, 11:24:57 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on January 27, 2014, 11:21:22 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/harrybinswanger/2014/01/24/sorry-libertarian-anarchists-capitalism-requires-government-2/

Thats right. Property needs to be confiscated in order to be protected.
That's just sad.  Also, they *do* know that not all libertarians are anarchists, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on January 27, 2014, 06:45:48 PM
http://news.discovery.com/videos/hawking-we-need-to-leave-earth.htm

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 27, 2014, 11:36:33 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 27, 2014, 11:24:57 AM
That's just sad.  Also, they *do* know that not all libertarians are anarchists, right?

Actually, that article wasn't even anti-libertarian. Basically, the guy was saying that even in a libertarian society based on market ideals, occasionally person A's rights negate person B's rights, and we occasionally need someone who has some authority, guided by some form of legal/social framework to make a decision, rather than person A gets his army, person B gets his army and have it out. Then he gets into how the kind of anarchism that allows anyone to apply force at will is worse than having one recognized authority apply force guided by laws.

He actually makes a good argument for limited government, which he says has been sacked somewhere a long the way. In other words, a constitutionalist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on January 28, 2014, 11:50:36 AM
Fail on GameFAQs (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/68284052) revolving around one of the many things I just don't know enough about: Netherlands Bus Systems. Still, Mr Lasastryke is convinced that the free market has ruined the bus system based on hard evidence.

Mr Lasastryke
There's no competition [in The Netherlands], but there's a number of bus companies that provide buses in different places. The buses in my town are from a different company than the buses in Amsterdam, for instance.

redrocket
This is the problem. You don't actually have free market buses.

We do have free market buses, the problem is that in all places, one company has the monopoly on buses.

oh wait a monopoly can't exist in the free market lololo

Altimadark
When and how were the bus systems in the Netherlands privatized?

Hell if I know, it happened ages ago (late '90s, I'd guess)

That's interesting, because I just found a 2011 article which shows there's still a good amount of government control:

http://www.eur.nl/english/news/the_issue/issuearchive/2011/issue_2011_10/

OK, that's news to me.

Wait, did I say "hard" evidence? I meant, "hardly any."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 28, 2014, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 27, 2014, 11:36:33 PM
Actually, that article wasn't even anti-libertarian. Basically, the guy was saying that even in a libertarian society based on market ideals, occasionally person A's rights negate person B's rights, and we occasionally need someone who has some authority, guided by some form of legal/social framework to make a decision, rather than person A gets his army, person B gets his army and have it out. Then he gets into how the kind of anarchism that allows anyone to apply force at will is worse than having one recognized authority apply force guided by laws.

He actually makes a good argument for limited government, which he says has been sacked somewhere a long the way. In other words, a constitutionalist.
I was going by the title.  :P
"person A's rights negate person B's rights...need some authority"  And why does that authority have to be a government?  Guys, it's like we've said, anarchists are NOT opposed to police, courts, and military.  Just one institution having a violent monopoly on them (government).
Also, funny how he doesn't provide a real world example (at least not without government).  If he wants a really good refutation of such "Yes, but what if?..." scenarios, he should check out "Practical Anarchy" by Stefan Molyneux.  Basically, it's too costly to just raise an army out of nowhere without government because you foot the costs and the risks--and not to mention the government to draft victims to die for you.  Hell, to give you an idea, something like a few hundred nukes from the old USSR are unaccounted for.  Yet no terrorist or private organization has used them in war; only government.  Funny how that works.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 28, 2014, 11:29:51 PM
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/banvoluntary/

Someone please tell me this is satire.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 29, 2014, 08:12:10 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on January 28, 2014, 11:29:51 PM
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/banvoluntary/

Someone please tell me this is satire.

Considering it's signed by "Adolf Stalin," yeah, I'm guessing so.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 29, 2014, 08:42:53 AM
QuoteAnarcky is the belief that war, chaos and corruption are good things.

Assuming this isn't satire, if "Anarckists" believed this why would they oppose the state?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 29, 2014, 12:55:31 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on January 28, 2014, 11:29:51 PM
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/banvoluntary/

Someone please tell me this is satire.

I think who ever wrote it intended for it to be taken seriously, but judging by the "signatures", it isn't. (Hitler, Mao Tse-Tung, Stalin)

Maybe I'll sign up for that sight, and seek to ban "mandatory volunteerism" - You know, where "volunteering" a certain amount of hours to (some list of pre-approved organizations) is a requirement for school. I mean, if the "volunteering" is mandatory for graduation, then it isn't "volunteering" and the student learns nothing, other than "even when I'm volunteering, the government gets to tell me what to do."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2014, 03:27:56 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-5-most-useless-pieces-advice-everyone-gives/
Mainly the 5th one.  Again, I'm having trouble buying that about obesity.  Also, if being fat changes your body's chemistry, wouldn't being thin/toned as well?  Like I said, I don't buy that bit from him, or from this clusterfuck of an obvious troll article of his here:  http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/fat-officially-incurable-according-to-science/

Knowing Wong, he's over-selling the shit to the point where he just comes off as a clueless twat.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 29, 2014, 04:54:21 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2014, 03:27:56 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-5-most-useless-pieces-advice-everyone-gives/
Mainly the 5th one.  Again, I'm having trouble buying that about obesity.  Also, if being fat changes your body's chemistry, wouldn't being thin/toned as well?  Like I said, I don't buy that bit from him, or from this clusterfuck of an obvious troll article of his here:  http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/fat-officially-incurable-according-to-science/

Knowing Wong, he's over-selling the shit to the point where he just comes off as a clueless twat.

Well, being fat, or thin, or fit doesn't change your metabolism or anything; some people just have a metabolism that makes them have a tendency to be fat, or thin, or fit. I guess to most people, that would be a split-hair... But anyway, what he says about the advice people give about it is mostly true- If you've never struggled with (well, actually any number of things), you don't get a license to be a dick to those that do. I sort of disagree with him that you can't give "any" advice, and need to STFU, as you might have some kind of knowledge on the subject from other sources, in this case, say you're a certified dietitian or psychologist, or nurse, etc. Even then, the person suffering the condition isn't going to become what they ain't, at most they're going to become a healthier them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2014, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 29, 2014, 04:54:21 PM
Well, being fat, or thin, or fit doesn't change your metabolism or anything; some people just have a metabolism that makes them have a tendency to be fat, or thin, or fit.
Actually, this was debunked by...another cracked.com writer believe it or not:  http://www.cracked.com/article_19296_6-lies-about-human-body-you-learned-in-kindergarten_p2.html (#1 on this list)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 29, 2014, 05:21:01 PM
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from the comments.

Oh damn, Steve!  You left out the best one: it's a contranym!  'Libertarian' in this sense, means authoritarian, and is the polar opposite of the social Anarchism that originally defined it (and still does, outside the United Hates).

Which leads to the second best one: it's literally a plutocracy.  It's core beliefs are that people should be able to do whatever they can afford to do, and that if they can't afford something, they don't deserve to have it.  Nothing they ever say will contradict either of those principles.

Which leads to the third best one: it's hypocritical.  All their rhetoric about the government notwithstanding, they actually want to increase the power of government.  They just want to restrict the function of government to the protection of property rights: a government of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich.

Which leads to the fourth best one: those property rights stem from the same 'guys with guns' as the taxes they bitch about so much.  If the government can grant title deeds, they can tax that property, and spend the revenue on the poor.  John Locke and Thomas Paine said so.

Which leads to the fifth best one: it's completely irrelevant.  It's a movement for preppy middle-classed white kids and exists solely as an excuse for why they aren't rich.  They're being held down by the mediocrity of the collective!  If they didn't have to pay taxes, they would be captains of industry, just like in Atlas Shrugged.  But as long as Bitcoin is their best idea, and Stefan Molyneaux is their best thinker, there's no risk of them ever running a goddamn thing.  Amen?"

Steve Shives is brilliant, and funny as hell, but he doesn't make the the best argument against libertarianism [sic].  For that, I recommend the 'Libertarians are Idiots' series, uploaded by nomenclature1.  I especially appreciate his "Anarcho-Capitalism" Debunked vid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 29, 2014, 05:32:18 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2014, 04:59:28 PM
Actually, this was debunked by...another cracked.com writers believe it or not:  http://www.cracked.com/article_19296_6-lies-about-human-body-you-learned-in-kindergarten_p2.html (#1 on this list)

Yes, in the sense of it being some mysterious cause beyond understanding and control, it has been debunked. In the sense that some people have difficulty estimating how much intake they need to match their output, no. Those with a tendency (which can be over come with effort) to be overweight, have a tendency to think they're hungry when they're not. Of course, with proper professional guidance, and perhaps encouragement from family and friends, and I guess fellow dieters, they can retrain themselves to know the proper amount.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2014, 06:27:42 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 29, 2014, 05:32:18 PM
In the sense that some people have difficulty estimating how much intake they need to match their output, no.
I really don't know what you're getting at here.  The article I linked to above showed exactly what you're saying in terms of estimation of portions.  Also, don't move the goalposts.  You were first going on about "some people just have a metabolism that makes them have a tendency to be fat, or thin, or fit." and I just debunked that; not about serving sizes which has bugger your original post.  And which as the very article I linked to not from Wong showed--metabolism *increases* as you gain weight for the same reason a hummer uses more gas than Japanese car.  Did you even read them?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 29, 2014, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2014, 06:27:42 PM
I really don't know what you're getting at here.  The article I linked to above showed exactly what you're saying in terms of estimation of portions.  Also, don't move the goalposts.  You were first going on about "some people just have a metabolism that makes them have a tendency to be fat, or thin, or fit." and I just debunked that; not about serving sizes which has bugger your original post.  And which as the very article I linked to not from Wong showed--metabolism *increases* as you gain weight for the same reason a hummer uses more gas than Japanese car.  Did you even read them?

Quote from: Bouchez,C; Chang,LYour metabolism, experts say, involves a complex network of hormones and enzymes that not only convert food into fuel but also affect how efficiently you burn that fuel.

"The process of metabolism establishes the rate at which we burn our calories and, ultimately, how quickly we gain weight or how easily we lose it," says Robert Yanagisawa, MD, director of the Medically Supervised Weight Management Program at Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York.

Of course, not everyone burns calories at the same rate.

Your metabolism is influenced by your age (metabolism naturally slows about 5% per decade after age 40); your sex (men generally burn more calories at rest than women); and proportion of lean body mass (the more muscle you have, the higher your metabolic rate tends to be).

And yes, heredity makes a difference.

Quote from: same source"Some people just burn calories at a slower rate than others," says Barrie Wolfe-Radbill, RD, a nutritionist specializing in weight loss at New York University Medical Center.

Occasionally, Yanagisawa says, a defect in the thyroid gland can slow metabolism, though this problem is relatively rare.

And here's a fact that may surprise you: the more weight you carry, the faster your metabolism is likely running.

"The simple fact is that the extra weight causes your body to work harder just to sustain itself at rest, so in most instances, the metabolism is always running a bit faster," says Molly Kimball, RD, sports and lifestyle nutritionist at the Oscher's Clinic's Elmwood Fitness Center.

That's one reason it's almost always easiest to lose weight at the start of a diet, and harder later on, Kimball says: "When you are very overweight your metabolism is already running so high that any small cut in calories will result in an immediate loss."

Then, when you lose significant amounts of body fat and muscle, your body needs fewer calories to sustain itself, she says. That helps explain why it's so easy to regain weight after you've worked to lose it.

Oops. right the first time.

Source=http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/make-most-your-metabolism (http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/make-most-your-metabolism)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2014, 07:39:40 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 29, 2014, 07:28:48 PM
Oops. right the first time.
You or me and which post/point?  You bounced around with your points like I said.

Quote from: dallen68 on January 29, 2014, 07:28:48 PM
Source=http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/make-most-your-metabolism (http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/make-most-your-metabolism)
Ah.  Okay, glad you actually cited your source this time. :P I thought you were talking about the articles from cracked.com.
Age, sex, and lean body mass: no arguments from me.  Thyroid?  Even the American Thyroid Association says that people with severe, SEVERE. Sorry, let me reiterate: SEVERE hypothyroidism can only attribute weight gain to 5-10 lbs. Everything else is diet and lack of exercise.
The rest of that actually CONFIRMS what I said.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 29, 2014, 08:08:10 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2014, 07:39:40 PM
You or me and which post/point?  You bounced around with your points like I said.
Ah.  Okay, glad you actually cited your source this time. :P I thought you were talking about the articles from cracked.com.
Age, sex, and lean body mass: no arguments from me.  Thyroid?  Even the American Thyroid Association says that people with severe, SEVERE. Sorry, let me reiterate: SEVERE hypothyroidism can only attribute weight gain to 5-10 lbs. Everything else is diet and lack of exercise.
The rest of that actually CONFIRMS what I said.

1. The part about some people having a metabolism that makes them tend to be over/under/average weight. Age, sex, lean body mass, hereditary, and other things play a part in that-which doesn't mean the main thing of it *isn't* diet and exercise.

2. Originally, I was, but the conversation reached a point where I had to look up an actual source,(you know just in case you were right) that there was some reason to think might know what they were talking about, instead of talking out my ass with some other dude on the internet, both spouting opinions neither of us have any reason to think the other knows what they're talking about. In other words, I was fact checking after the fact. ;p

3. I'll take your word for the thyroid-I don't know enough about it to even venture an opinion.  :shrug: (And the fact there's a pretty good reason to think the American Thyroid Association would know this.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2014, 08:24:53 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 29, 2014, 08:08:10 PM
1. The part about some people having a metabolism that makes them tend to be over/under/average weight. Age, sex, lean body mass, hereditary, and other things play a part in that-which doesn't mean the main thing of it *isn't* diet and exercise.
It said those things are "influenced by" your age, sex, etc.  Not, "those are the main causes of obesity." So yes, the main thing IS diet and exercise.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 29, 2014, 08:30:41 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2014, 08:24:53 PM
It said those things are "influenced by" your age, sex, etc.  Not, "those are the main causes of obesity." So yes, the main thing IS diet and exercise.  Nothing you've presented has challenged or even contradicted that fact.

Nothing I've presented was intended to challenge or contradict that fact. In fact, that's exactly what I meant.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2014, 08:33:35 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 29, 2014, 08:30:41 PM
Nothing I've presented was intended to challenge or contradict that fact. In fact, that's exactly what I meant.
*rereads your above post*
Shit.  I'm sorry I misread your post.  That was an honest mistake.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 29, 2014, 08:37:35 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2014, 08:33:35 PM
*rereads your above post*
Shit.  I'm sorry I misread your post.  That was an honest mistake.

We all make them occasionally.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 30, 2014, 06:37:29 AM
Along those lines, AP reports a new study this morning that suggests the issue of obesity needs to be addressed way earlier (as in pre-kindergarten) than we have thought.

It doesn't really contradict any thing else we've already discussed though, although it does mention household income as a possible contributing factor. Evidently, the higher the families income, the more likely the children are to be fit.

Significantly, It says that good diet and exercise habits need to established early on, preferably before obesity sets in, because obesity is very difficult to overcome once you're there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2014, 10:14:13 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 30, 2014, 06:37:29 AM
Along those lines, AP reports a new study this morning that suggests the issue of obesity needs to be addressed way earlier (as in pre-kindergarten) than we have thought.

It doesn't really contradict any thing else we've already discussed though, although it does mention household income as a possible contributing factor. Evidently, the higher the families income, the more likely the children are to be fit.

Significantly, It says that good diet and exercise habits need to established early on, preferably before obesity sets in, because obesity is very difficult to overcome once you're there.
*nod* Makes sense.  As that tends to apply to lots more than diet--best established early on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2014, 04:01:55 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19922_5-prejudices-that-video-games-cant-seem-to-get-over.html
/facepalms
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 30, 2014, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2014, 04:01:55 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19922_5-prejudices-that-video-games-cant-seem-to-get-over.html
/facepalms
You gottan love morons who don't even play the games they whine about.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 30, 2014, 08:34:40 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 30, 2014, 04:56:07 PM
You gottan love morons who don't even play the games they whine about.

I find I can't disagree with that article more. If anything, the Elder Scrolls series teaches, that while each race may be different, they each contribute to the Empire.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 31, 2014, 06:07:39 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 30, 2014, 08:34:40 PM
I find I can't disagree with that article more. If anything, the Elder Scrolls series teaches, that while each race may be different, they each contribute to the Empire.

Unless they're Stormcloaks, or Thalmor, or any other Antii-Imperial faction.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 31, 2014, 08:52:52 AM
Quote from: tnu on January 31, 2014, 06:07:39 AM
Unless they're Stormcloaks, or Thalmor, or any other Antii-Imperial faction.

Well, yeah, but that isn't a function of race, it's a function of faction. Except maybe the Stormcloaks, who are, in fact, racist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 31, 2014, 09:25:25 AM
It seems to me that a lot of these "races" are really separate species. Horses are stronger and faster than we are; is it racism to acknowledge this? Why is it any different with orcs or whatever?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 31, 2014, 09:32:18 AM
@Shane, Dallen68, REHWR, tnu:  Not to mention the bit about relationships--in particular the no gay men item--they mention is either cherry picking or just full on lying (or both).  In Skyrim, you CAN be a guy and marry other guys, and the game will not punish you for it.  At all.

The only difference that sticks out to me is if you marry Lydia (first housecarl) who, for some reason, tends not to react badly if you become a werewolf or vampire, but even then, come on!  That's not punishing you for having a gay man character, it's rewarding you for marrying Lydia because those are behavioral bits exclusive to her.  Or Derkeethus (male Argonian) who is bugged and always runs back to his home in dark water crossing should you marry him no matter where you set your home.  But that's a bug, so it doesn't count; also, it might have been resolved by now.

Also, all of the folks you can marry of either gender tend to be folks who can fight/hold their own, so yeah.  Hell many of them can be recruited as followers to help you out with fights, carrying stuff, etc, with an emphasis on openness/flexibility on it being the player who decides whether they're a pack mule, or a fellow warrior, a stay at home mom/dad, etc.

WTB:  Someone who's actually *played* the games they're bitching about.  I don't get to bitch about movies I haven't seen before, so they don't get to bitch about games they've never played--much less completed--before.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 31, 2014, 09:56:42 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 31, 2014, 09:25:25 AM
It seems to me that a lot of these "races" are really separate species. Horses are stronger and faster than we are; is it racism to acknowledge this? Why is it any different with orcs or whatever?

Yes. This is somewhat acknowledged in game. Humans are a species, elves are a species (that includes orcs), and the beast races are also species. (Although the term "species" doesn't exist in Tamerilic, and you have to find the specific book in game that explains the principle)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 31, 2014, 10:06:03 AM
@ Travis -

Well, I guess you're allowed to, but that just means there's no reason for anyone else to listen to you. That said, I'm amazed how many people on some sort of moral crusade write articles like this; and even more stupefied they actually get published. One example I can think of his all the flak Harry Potter took a number of years back. Rowling's response to one letter that was published was hilarious though.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 31, 2014, 01:48:32 PM
I'm calling bullshit on these statistics. They also admit that they're using 2009 statistics for a 2014 report.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 31, 2014, 03:09:23 PM
Quote from: D on January 31, 2014, 01:48:32 PM
I'm calling bullshit on these statistics. They also admit that they're using 2009 statistics for a 2014 report.

The statistics themselves are probably pretty accurate, and it does take a while for them to get published, so the time frame is also about as good as it's going to get. The bullshit is how they're being presented here.

If it were anything else, like say a disease, having just shy of 8,000 victims a year in a population of 350 million wouldn't even be worth mentioning let alone trying to make it sound like it's a big epidemic. (I think it comes out to 0.08 cases per 100,000)

As a special bonus bullshit: The safety course/video presented. I have a feeling that will be about as effective as stranger danger.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 31, 2014, 03:21:27 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 31, 2014, 03:09:23 PM
I have a feeling that will be about as effective as stranger danger.
Oh gods. :D I still remember that bit from way back when.  I guess nobody told the video making busy-bodies at the time that the vast majority of abuse to children, rape, etc are done by people the victim knows.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 31, 2014, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 31, 2014, 03:21:27 PM
Oh gods. :D I still remember that bit from way back when.  I guess nobody told the video making busy-bodies at the time that the vast majority of abuse to children, rape, etc are done by people the victim knows.

Well, yes. The point I was trying to make is this strategy will probably have the opposite of the intended effect.

Also, their little experiment didn't actually prove any thing. I mean, other than the fact I know more about psychology than that fool.

Tell you what:

Dress up as a beer can, do a song and dance about not drinking beer to a bunch of five year olds. Then come back later as yourself, tell them you have to go *somewhere*, and tell them there's candy on the table. Include a soda that looks like beer (wrapping 7UP with a paper that says "beer" on it should suffice) in the candy. See which candy they go for first.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 31, 2014, 03:39:50 PM
Reminds me of the questionable conclusions of this:
http://www.cracked.com/article_19993_the-6-cruelest-science-experiments-ever-were-done-kids.html
(With the last one being just...no, and had me fuming mad.  Fuck you, Doctor Money.)
Considering that even hardened soldiers have a hard time killing people, hell, they even have to make it so not all the guns each person is using when they kill people via firing squad (epic win quote):  http://www.cracked.com/article_18858_the-biggest-star-wars-plot-hole-explained-by-science.html

It also makes me wonder how they explain the *DECREASE* in homicides (if not shootings themselves) since the advent of violent video games like GTA?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 31, 2014, 03:53:31 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 31, 2014, 03:39:50 PM
It also makes me wonder how they explain the *DECREASE* in homicides (if not shootings themselves) since the advent of violent video games like GTA?

I can explain it by saying that games like GTA allow the users to act out their fantasies in a non-harmful way, and then they're much less likely to be having hostile fantasies in real life.

They explain it by saying GTA causes homicides.   ::)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 31, 2014, 05:04:30 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 31, 2014, 03:39:50 PM
Reminds me of the questionable conclusions of this:
http://www.cracked.com/article_19993_the-6-cruelest-science-experiments-ever-were-done-kids.html

They got just about every detail of the Robber's Cave experiment wrong. The groups didn't give themselves names and distinct identities until AFTER they'd met each other (they didn't need them before) and they weren't doing it "to see how much conflict they could instigate between the two groups." The point of the experiment was to see how to bring different groups together: they mention the games, which didn't work; neither did the fireworks show. But what DID work was a common problem (fixing the park's water supply), working together to raise the funds to show Treasure Island at the park, and a common enemy (rumors of vandals in the park). In fact, the entire last week of the 3-week experiment was about bringing the two groups together in conciliation. At the end of the experiment, the two groups ate together in peace, and they even asked if they could go home together on the same bus. When the counselor said yes, they cheered--and the seating was NOT self-segregated.

"Yep, Sherif and his team had successfully transformed 22 ordinary 11-year-old boys with no previous behavioral problems into a mob of aggressive savages." Absolutely, completely, totally 100% FALSE.

When you leave out vital info like that to make the experiment seem horrible when it wasn't, I have to wonder about the rest of it.

But yeah, Dr. Money is scum on the order of Nazi concentration camp experimenters.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 31, 2014, 07:48:56 PM
From Angry Joe when people complained about him talking politics.
Quote"Angry Joe, please refrain from giving your personal beliefs via Twitter if they dont line up with mine, respectfully - PoliticalDrone 3000"

Way to act like a child. Hey, maybe some people don't care about politics and would rather not deal with it.
Seriously, the way this guy acts with people who disagree with him really makes me want to forget this guy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 31, 2014, 09:21:00 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 31, 2014, 07:48:56 PM
From Angry Joe when people complained about him talking politics.

Way to act like a child. Hey, maybe some people don't care about politics and would rather not deal with it.
Seriously, the way this guy acts with people who disagree with him really makes me want to forget this guy.

Maybe some context would help? What's this post supposed to be in response to? Is Angry Joe the one that's supposed to be being childish, or is Political Drone 3000? Whichever way it is, if Angry Joe's opinion bothers him so much, why not unfollow?
Title: AlfonZo Rachael is at it again!
Post by: Dallas Wildman on January 31, 2014, 10:26:13 PM
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Dear lord, hard to listen to this guy at times.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 01, 2014, 12:20:59 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 31, 2014, 09:21:00 PM
Maybe some context would help? What's this post supposed to be in response to? Is Angry Joe the one that's supposed to be being childish, or is Political Drone 3000? Whichever way it is, if Angry Joe's opinion bothers him so much, why not unfollow?
Its a blanket statement towards everyone asking him not to talk about politics.
Title: Re: AlfonZo Rachael is at it again!
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 01, 2014, 12:30:59 AM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on January 31, 2014, 10:26:13 PM
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Dear lord, hard to listen to this guy at times.

Ok, did he really just say that about EBT users?
Title: Re: AlfonZo Rachael is at it again!
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 01, 2014, 08:26:11 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 01, 2014, 12:30:59 AM
Ok, did he really just say that about EBT users?
Did AlfonZo Rachael EVER say something that wasn't an epic fail?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on February 01, 2014, 09:30:15 AM
http://gizmodo.com/federal-court-invalidates-net-neutrality-rules-sides-w-1501028467?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

I don't know much about net neutrality rules, but this seems to be blown way the fuck out of proportion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on February 01, 2014, 06:15:34 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-30/how-to-spot-a-paranoid-libertarian.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-30/how-to-spot-a-paranoid-libertarian.html)

According to this article, if you care about privacy and gun rights, then that means you're "paranoid".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 01, 2014, 06:16:36 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 31, 2014, 07:48:56 PM
From Angry Joe when people complained about him talking politics.

Way to act like a child. Hey, maybe some people don't care about politics and would rather not deal with it.
Seriously, the way this guy acts with people who disagree with him really makes me want to forget this guy.

He endorsed Obama during the election and hopefully he feels like a sucker now.
Title: Re: AlfonZo Rachael is at it again!
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 01, 2014, 06:44:05 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 01, 2014, 08:26:11 AM
Did AlfonZo Rachael EVER say something that wasn't an epic fail?
Hell, you should try talking to him on twitter sometime.
All I've gotten is Ad Hominems so far.
Title: Re: AlfonZo Rachael is at it again!
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 01, 2014, 08:27:19 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 01, 2014, 06:44:05 PM
Hell, you should try talking to him on twitter sometime.
All I've gotten is Ad Hominems so far.
I'm shocked, I tellz ya', shocked!
Title: Re: AlfonZo Rachael is at it again!
Post by: Skm1091 on February 01, 2014, 09:15:37 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 01, 2014, 06:44:05 PM
Hell, you should try talking to him on twitter sometime.
All I've gotten is Ad Hominems so far.

What do you expect from a Creationist Statist fusion
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on February 01, 2014, 10:14:50 PM
Here's a perfect demonstration of the attitude that society cannot exist/function without government.

(http://media.merchantcircle.com/7307249/4GD4T_full.jpeg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on February 01, 2014, 10:47:09 PM
^^^^^^^^^^
I thought that photo looked familiar
https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=315.msg14325#msg14325
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 02, 2014, 01:03:02 AM
Is there a specific reason I'm supposed to be caring about Alphonso?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 02, 2014, 02:08:40 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on February 02, 2014, 01:03:02 AM
Is there a specific reason I'm supposed to be caring about Alphonso?
Probably none.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 02, 2014, 02:22:49 AM
Wow, Bill Maher, wow. I don't personally find this a very tasteful joke, because I think he actually means it.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/bill-maher-country-music-awards-shooting-joke-102983.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 02, 2014, 08:35:10 AM
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/penis-size-around-the-world/
For relying on/taking seriously a 'study' that, according to the very article they linked:  "But critics have claimed that Mr Lynn's research is flawed because he has admitted gathering his data on penis length from websites.

Jelte Wicherts, professor of methodology at Tilburg University, Holland, said: 'it is a brave paper in a controversial area, but the data has no methodology.'"

Emphasis added by me.  Yeah, guys, if that was a poll, or involved any kind of self measurement, you can pretty much throw that out.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on February 02, 2014, 02:19:50 PM
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Yes, i would like to unsubscribe from this justice system. I can't? **** you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on February 02, 2014, 05:33:22 PM
Whenever you hear people scream "false equivillency," it's usually to cover their own double standards, which feminists and SJWs tend to do:

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzpweirNNo1r8qaqto1_500.png)

Luckily, LordTHawkeye demolished this arguement long ago:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 02, 2014, 05:44:42 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on February 02, 2014, 05:33:22 PM
Whenever you hear people scream "false equivillency," it's usually to cover their own double standards, which feminists and SJWs tend to do:

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzpweirNNo1r8qaqto1_500.png)

Luckily, LordTHawkeye demolished this arguement long ago:

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Right, because the lesson of feminism is that all women are alike and all attracted to the same things.

Panel 2 is an outright LIE. Ask ANY comic book artist, even (or especially) the females. They ARE made so that women (at least women in their target audience, and YES THEY DO EXIST) will find them sexy. Calling it a "male power fantasy" is a GENUINE False Equivalence Fallacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 02, 2014, 07:08:21 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 02, 2014, 05:44:42 PM
Right, because the lesson of feminism is that all women are alike and all attracted to the same things.

Panel 2 is an outright LIE. Ask ANY comic book artist, even (or especially) the females. They ARE made so that women (at least women in their target audience, and YES THEY DO EXIST) will find them sexy. Calling it a "male power fantasy" is a GENUINE False Equivalence Fallacy.

the funny part? the same argument could be said about female figures in comics too: not every man likes skinny women: I prefer mine fuller; think Marilyn Monroe or someone similar. It's just as stupid an argument, but shit, that's the whole point: if you don't like masturbating to the men there, go find some other source of pleasurable men....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 02, 2014, 08:56:53 PM
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Stay in school or be blown up by land mines!

What?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 02, 2014, 09:22:37 PM
Quote from: D on February 02, 2014, 08:56:53 PM
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Stay in school or be blown up by land mines!

What?

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 03, 2014, 07:18:24 AM
Quote from: D on February 02, 2014, 08:56:53 PM
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Stay in school or be blown up by land mines!

What?

The UK outdid them:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 03, 2014, 07:31:08 AM
On DA I correct people on the definition of the etymology of the word Libertarian and they simply just reassert their claim of 'true libertarianism' being anarcho-communism (again) and then citing Wikipedia (really guy?  really?).  As I said to them, No, sorry, I cited an authoritative source on the original definition.  It did NOT mean anarcho communist first...well, unless the online etymology dictionary is a part of some capitalist conspiracy, right?  So yeah, another "socialism is what libertarianism meant FIRST before you mean 'ol right wingers stole it from us!" Which, in addition to not being fucking true as shown by this: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=libertarian
Would be an appeal to etymology even IF it was so ('Universe'-Kent Hovind, anyone?)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 03, 2014, 09:17:21 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 03, 2014, 07:31:08 AM
On DA I correct people on the definition of the etymology of the word Libertarian and they simply just reassert their claim of 'true libertarianism' being anarcho-communism (again) and then citing Wikipedia (really guy?  really?).  As I said to them, No, sorry, I cited an authoritative source on the original definition.  It did NOT mean anarcho communist first...well, unless the online etymology dictionary is a part of some capitalist conspiracy, right?  So yeah, another "socialism is what libertarianism meant FIRST before you mean 'ol right wingers stole it from us!" Which, in addition to not being fucking true as shown by this: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=libertarian
Would be an appeal to etymology even IF it was so ('Universe'-Kent Hovind, anyone?)

Here's the rub of it:

If you define communism as actually practiced, "anarcho-communism" is a self-contradictory statement. If you define it as the ideal Marx and Engals described, it is a redundancy. Since governments have never been known to voluntarily dissolve themselves, the second one is purely academic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on February 03, 2014, 11:35:23 AM
http://blog.acton.org/archives/65299-video-audio-libertarians-need-god.html

someone should upb-slap this guy
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 03, 2014, 01:40:16 PM
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-reasons-bitcoin-hoarders-are-screwed/

Check this gem out.

"Unlike real-world currencies, Bitcoin isn't regulated by a central bank or government."

Yeah, cause that's totally a guarantee of currency stability!

I called this clown out on that in the comments and got -18 rating for it.  sore much?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 03, 2014, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on February 03, 2014, 01:40:16 PM
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-reasons-bitcoin-hoarders-are-screwed/

Check this gem out.

"Unlike real-world currencies, Bitcoin isn't regulated by a central bank or government."

Yeah, cause that's totally a guarantee of currency stability!

I called this clown out on that in the comments and got -18 rating for it.  sore much?

I don't see your comment anywhere
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 03, 2014, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 03, 2014, 01:48:18 PM
I don't see your comment anywhere

Scratch that found it
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 03, 2014, 02:15:17 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on February 03, 2014, 01:40:16 PM
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-reasons-bitcoin-hoarders-are-screwed/

Check this gem out.

"Unlike real-world currencies, Bitcoin isn't regulated by a central bank or government."

Yeah, cause that's totally a guarantee of currency stability!

I called this clown out on that in the comments and got -18 rating for it.  sore much?
All or at least most of these have been refuted by Shane on the podcast at some point.
#4:  Shane refuted this one a few weeks ago.  It's the same with regular cash.  If you lose the wallet, you lose the money.  Again, fiat money doesn't have the advantage here.  Especially for folks like me who are MUCH better at keeping track of digital files over tangible objects. >.>
#3:  And only one person--The Federal Reserve Chairman--could murder the entire dollar currency overnight via hyperinflation.  Shane did this one better justice, however.  It's NOT as a bad as the OP is saying.
#2:  As you do on regular dollars.  Again, so?
#1:  Wait...what?  Then tell the fucktards to STOP trying to make it out as a black market currency! Sheesh!  Make up your damn minds, Bitcoin haters.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 03, 2014, 02:26:30 PM
http://travis-retriever.deviantart.com/journal/Etymology-of-Libertarian-428567763#comments
Every single comment left by that Valendale fucktard.  Christ, I've never seen that level of denial before.  The ONLY source he's said beyond simply asserting, is Wikipedia in another comment thread (oh, yeah, that's TOTALLY better than the etymology dictionary).  Dick.

http://travis-retriever.deviantart.com/#/art/Libertarianism-Has-Fought-No-Wars-415491740?hf=1
And his comments on this.  Holy shit, this guy's a conspiratarded dumbass.  He even blew off the dictionary definition and called Wikipedia "better than your source."
Right, because apparently the online etymology dictionary definition is not an authoritative source, but is a right wing, koch brothers conspiracy...*rolls eyes*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 03, 2014, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: D on February 02, 2014, 08:56:53 PM
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Stay in school or be blown up by land mines!

What?

it's a joke: the PSA isn't a real one: the Aussies have this sub-theme of "gallows humor" based off of PSA's (since real ones are even more retarded).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 05, 2014, 01:22:32 AM
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Ugh!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 05, 2014, 06:21:10 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 05, 2014, 01:22:32 AM
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Ugh!!!

Wow...citing the Card/Krueger study AGAIN, with no mention of the Neumark/Wascher study that debunked it. They cling to it like the anti-vaccers cling to Wakefield or the gun control nuts Kellerman.

I don't need to watch the video after seeing that citation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 05, 2014, 10:53:27 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 05, 2014, 06:21:10 AM
Wow...citing the Card/Krueger study AGAIN, with no mention of the Neumark/Wascher study that debunked it. They cling to it like the anti-vaccers cling to Wakefield or the gun control nuts Kellerman.

I don't need to watch the video after seeing that citation.

"A 2000 paper has reconciled the difference between Card and Krueger's survey data and Neumark and Wascher's payroll-based data. The paper shows that both datasets evidence conditional employment effects that are positive for small restaurants, but are negative for large fast-food restaurants."
That's a comment I received when I mentioned that study.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2014, 12:01:44 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 05, 2014, 10:53:27 AM
"A 2000 paper has reconciled the difference between Card and Krueger's survey data and Neumark and Wascher's payroll-based data. The paper shows that both datasets evidence conditional employment effects that are positive for small restaurants, but are negative for large fast-food restaurants."
That's a comment I received when I mentioned that study.
Ask him WHICH paper from 2000?  With a link to Google Scholar if applicable.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 05, 2014, 12:07:20 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 05, 2014, 10:53:27 AM
"A 2000 paper has reconciled the difference between Card and Krueger's survey data and Neumark and Wascher's payroll-based data. The paper shows that both datasets evidence conditional employment effects that are positive for small restaurants, but are negative for large fast-food restaurants."
That's a comment I received when I mentioned that study.

And the reference is?

EDIT: I did a Google search on that and found it was copypasta from Wikipedia: "A 2000 paper has reconciled the difference between Card and Krueger's survey data and Neumark and Wascher's payroll-based data. The paper shows that both datasets evidence conditional employment effects that are positive for small restaurants, but are negative for large fast-food restaurants." Verbatim.

There is a reference, but if he'd kept reading he'd have read about the later studies confirming the detrimental effects, while the ones continuing to give positive effects use the (flawed) methodology that Card/Krueger used. Those are FAR from the only two studies, and as we covered on the podcast 85% of them support the notion that minimum wages have negative employment effects.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 05, 2014, 12:21:33 PM
Here's the reference:

https://helda.helsinki.fi/bitstream/handle/10138/26140/reconcil.pdf?sequence=1

And the actual conclusion:

QuoteOur results suggest a new explanation, based on the location of restaurants and a demand side effect: An increase in the minimum wage increased spending by those people, who used to earn less than the new minimum wage. This additional spending increased the demand for the restaurant services and resulted in a positive employment effect. This would explain our results if small restaurants are predominantly in poor neighborhoods and large restaurants in areas where close to all of the demand comes from customers earning more than minimum wage.

So, not really at all confirming CK, then.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 05, 2014, 01:01:43 PM
http://www.matthewmcgee.org/prophesy.html

*head desk* *Head desk* *head desk*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on February 05, 2014, 10:42:55 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolution

The stupid! It burns!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2014, 11:59:59 PM
In the comment section of the "Thin Privilege" tumblrism video by InternetAristocrat:
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MovieMowDown:  "BMI is inaccurate when you talk muscle."


Tzumaoable:  "No shit? This criticism gets brought up a lot for whatever reason, but it's still completely meaningless. The BMI is by no means an exact medical study of your body fat percentage, it's just a rough guide value. If it's too high or low you better rethink your diet or consider sports.

It's safe to assume that someone who's already eating healthily and doing a lot of sports doesn't go "Shit, my BMI's 26 now, better train some more!" The people to whom their BMI doesn't hold much value regarding health know that better than anyone else themselves, so it is confusing and inaccurate to precisely no one."
AKA, the "NOTHING'S PERFECT!1" argument.  Um, body fat percent, OP.  Learn it!

As to the second paragraph of that screed?  Bullshit.
Christina H of Cracked.com put it best (http://www.cracked.com/article_19130_6-fitness-tips-everyones-heard-that-dont-work-at-all.html):

"That [not taking into account lean body mass] would be bad enough if BMI was just like an astrological sign or penis measurement that you use to brag groundlessly to other people. But it's not just a frivolous vanity stat, it's something that's being used to judge pretty important things (http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2006/nov/28/healthandwellbeing.health1), like whether you can apply for a job as a cop or firefighter, certain military jobs, or whether you can undergo surgery (http://www.livestrong.com/article/244850-bmi-requirements-for-surgery/)."

And as Shane pointed out in that thread on obesity (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=2312.msg22368#msg22368) (in response to being told BMI is used to determine if someone is obese): "Not by anyone who knows what they're doing. Obesity is determined by percent body fat. Not only does BMI make no distinction between fat and lean body mass, it also uses height, which has absolutely nothing to do with it whatsoever. BMI was not developed to be a measure of obesity, or indeed to have any diagnostic value whatsoever."

And to those who say "in theory" BMI determines what percent of your mass is fat: "No. Not in theory, not in reality. It is ONLY a ratio of a person's weight to (the square of) their height. That's IT.

Here's the YMCA's body fat calculator, which, while far from perfect, is MUCH better than BMI. Note that height appears NOWHERE: http://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-YMCA "
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 06, 2014, 12:15:34 AM
QuoteI'm not sure how those examples compare. We are not talking about criminal activities that include raping or physically abusing one's self. We are addressing airport screening and how, or if, TSA should be privatized as it has been called for. People call for it's 'abolishment' but then offer no alternative or solution. Basically, that's saying get rid of airport screening all together, and let anyone with anything onto an airplane and just put blind trust that no one will do anything on those planes. Does that really sound like a good idea?

the examples he's talking about are the standard "rape" example and the "hittingy ourself in the head example" from Mimi and Eunice that I most often use when debunking that "you have to have an alternative to replace it" nonsense but this is more of the old "if the state doesn't do it then it won't be done"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 06, 2014, 01:15:23 AM
Quote from: tnu on February 06, 2014, 12:15:34 AM
the examples he's talking about are the standard "rape" example and the "hittingy ourself in the head example" from Mimi and Eunice that I most often use when debunking that "you have to have an alternative to replace it" nonsense but this is more of the old "if the state doesn't do it then it won't be done"

Okay? So what if I think airport screening *should* be gotten rid of altogether, and you *should* be able to take what you like on the plane without being molested by some busy body with no probable cause whatsoever?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 06, 2014, 07:23:47 AM
Quote from: tnu on February 06, 2014, 12:15:34 AM
the examples he's talking about are the standard "rape" example and the "hittingy ourself in the head example" from Mimi and Eunice that I most often use when debunking that "you have to have an alternative to replace it" nonsense but this is more of the old "if the state doesn't do it then it won't be done"

I love the way Eliezer Yudkowsky put it in the Harry Potter fanfic (http://hpmor.com) I've been raving about (not refuting the same idea, but it still works):

Quote"See, there's this little thing called cognitive dissonance, or in plainer English, sour grapes. If people were hit on the heads with truncheons once a month, and no one could do anything about it, pretty soon there'd be all sorts of philosophers, pretending to be wise as you put it, who found all sorts of amazing benefits to being hit on the head with a truncheon once a month. Like, it makes you tougher, or it makes you happier on the days when you're not getting hit with a truncheon. But if you went up to someone who wasn't getting hit, and you asked them if they wanted to start, in exchange for those amazing benefits, they'd say no. And if you didn't have to die, if you came from somewhere that no one had ever even heard of death, and I suggested to you that it would be an amazing wonderful great idea for people to get wrinkled and old and eventually cease to exist, why, you'd have me hauled right off to a lunatic asylum! So why would anyone possibly think any thought so silly as that death is a good thing?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 06, 2014, 10:23:10 AM
Oh, dear god!
http://pitchfork.com/news/53846-dmx-to-fight-george-zimmerman-in-celebrity-boxing-match/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on February 06, 2014, 01:08:59 PM
http://www.woai.com/articles/woai-local-news-119078/flds-polygamist-ranch-becomes-property-of-12040372/


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Better watch out or those sneaky Mormons will marry  more than one person under your watch.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 06, 2014, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: nilecroc on February 06, 2014, 01:08:59 PM
http://www.woai.com/articles/woai-local-news-119078/flds-polygamist-ranch-becomes-property-of-12040372/


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Better watch out or those sneaky Mormons will marry  more than one person under your watch.

How dare they live their lives in a way we don't like!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 06, 2014, 04:26:05 PM
http://isocracy.org/node/107#sthash.orb0pTKK.dpuf
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on February 06, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
http://www.salon.com/2014/02/02/why_youre_wrong_about_communism_7_huge_misconceptions_about_it_and_capitalism/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 06, 2014, 06:24:14 PM
http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/02/06/america-was-built-on-a-belief-in-god-and-theres-just-no-way-to-deny-that-fact/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 06, 2014, 06:38:31 PM
Isn't blind partisanship funny?
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 06, 2014, 06:40:22 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 06, 2014, 06:38:31 PMIsn't blind partisanship funny?[yt]k6EhFIM3of4[/yt]

I never liked the blind trust many atheists put into liberal politics.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 06, 2014, 06:46:49 PM
Maybe it's just obvious to me because of my editing experience, but how can people listen to that and NOT tell it's three different things said at three different times cobbled together?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 06, 2014, 07:41:30 PM
Sorry, some people *are* worth $2/hr. Like the unskilled, those that chronically miss work because of their "off hours activities", those that have failed repeatedly to keep a job for more than a couple months, those re-entering society after several years of being a guest in one our fine public institutions. As it is now, those people have almost no chance of getting hired; and are unlikely to qualify for public assistance because of not working the required hours. I mean, after about the 100th interviewer laughing in their face, most of them probably give up.

If we could get rid of the minimum wage, these people might be able to convince an employer to give them a chance in exchange for something less than the going rate for that position for awhile. When they show that whatever their problem was isn't any longer, they can ask for the difference or move elsewhere with the good work experience.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 06, 2014, 07:43:50 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on February 06, 2014, 07:41:30 PM
Sorry, some people *are* worth $2/hr. Like the unskilled, those that chronically miss work because of their "off hours activities", those that have failed repeatedly to keep a job for more than a couple months, those re-entering society after several years of being a guest in one our fine public institutions. As it is now, those people have almost no chance of getting hired; and are unlikely to qualify for public assistance because of not working the required hours. I mean, after about the 100th interviewer laughing in their face, most of them probably give up.

If we could get rid of the minimum wage, these people might be able to convince an employer to give them a chance in exchange for something less than the going rate for that position for awhile. When they show that whatever their problem was isn't any longer, they can ask for the difference or move elsewhere with the good work experience.

Pretty much what I just said:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on February 06, 2014, 10:58:40 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 06, 2014, 06:40:22 PM
I never liked the blind trust many atheists put into liberal politics.  Sheesh.
That's statheism for ya. Most atheists didn't actually abandon religion, they just replaced one religion with another.

Quote from: AnCapBrony on February 06, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
http://www.salon.com/2014/02/02/why_youre_wrong_about_communism_7_huge_misconceptions_about_it_and_capitalism/
Stalin didn't kill THAT many people, u gaiz! But those libertarians, man. They're worse than Hitler!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 07, 2014, 12:46:55 AM
It's really funny that these statists accuse us of being immoral, when they are the ones blocking, deleting, lying and editing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on February 07, 2014, 01:50:08 AM
I'm not familiar with the The Zeitgeist Movement, but after conversing with one Rui PTG, it sounds, well, bogus...

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Rui PTG
learn about astronomy and cosmology, find out how planets were formed, and how our planet specifically was formed. then tell me if you still think any human can claim to "own" land, or anything for that matter. we can keep pretending this system or other similar ones (like free market-ism) work well but it ignores the planet's balance completely - hence why we are interrupting it all

(later)
If there was a piece of land in the middle of the atlantic and i got there first, is the land magically mine now?

(later still)
I just don't understand how people can go out of their way to denounce a system with no flaw, other then ''how the hell will i be able to own things!?'' When it offers everything for free...(incomprehensible)

Altimadark
I'm not denouncing a flawless system. I'm asking you how your system works, and so far, you seem to have problems answering.

How [does it offer everything for free]? Magic?

Everything can be made mechanized to help people work less, or need no human work at all - its one of the main [The Zeitgeist Movement] topics... We either embrace it...or keep acting like we're afraid of what is here to help us.

I almost find it amusing how he can dismiss the concept ownership as belief in magic, yet his own "flawless" system more or less runs on it. Clearly he has no understanding of astronomy, physics... or science of any kind, really.

That aside, I'm about ready to store "The Zeitgeist Movement" into the roundfile. Feel free to stop me if you think I shouldn't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 07, 2014, 06:55:02 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on February 07, 2014, 01:50:08 AM
That aside, I'm about ready to store "The Zeitgeist Movement" into the roundfile. Feel free to stop me if you think I shouldn't.

They're towards the bottom of mine, mixed in with chemtrail nuts and the "Building 7" truthers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2014, 07:50:11 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on February 07, 2014, 01:50:08 AMI'm not familiar with the The Zeitgeist Movement, but after conversing with one Rui PTG, it sounds, well, bogus...

Think Communism with magic robots.  Basically money = the source of evil, and by going back to a barter economy, all will be good; as we will have robots doing all the work for us without workers having to compete (:0) with them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 07, 2014, 09:35:22 AM
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Just from the title alone

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 07, 2014, 09:41:41 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2014, 07:50:11 AM
Think Communism with magic robots.  Basically money = the source of evil, and by going back to a barter economy, all will be good; as we will have robots doing all the work for us without workers having to compete (:0) with them.

They've also got this bizarre idea that somehow, magically, they can eliminate scarcity, which is where I realized that it's completely bogus.

It cannot ever be the case that nothing is scarce.  All technology ever lets you do is get your limiting resources from new sources or change your limiting resources to something easier to come by.  Even if you could freely convert between mass (in any form) and energy with zero losses, you'd still have a limited quantity of mass-energy available.

This silly idea that robots will make everything witout human labor is precisely that: Silly. Reducing the labor content of goods and services in general is a good thing, and look at the abundance of goods and services we have as a result. Robots, however, suck at a whole range of things, including any kind of real customization. While advanced tools like 3D printers and laser cutters make building custom items easier than ever before, they do it by using the best talents of humans (at designing things, and assembly of complicated things) and the best talents of robots (doing repetitious or dangerous things precisely and tirelessly)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 07, 2014, 09:43:38 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 07, 2014, 09:35:22 AM
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Just from the title alone

Let me guess: it boils down to, "Well, *I* didn't see any unseen effects!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2014, 09:53:15 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on February 07, 2014, 09:41:41 AM
They've also got this bizarre idea that somehow, magically, they can eliminate scarcity, which is where I realized that it's completely bogus.

It cannot ever be the case that nothing is scarce.  All technology ever lets you do is get your limiting resources from new sources or change your limiting resources to something easier to come by.  Even if you could freely convert between mass (in any form) and energy with zero losses, you'd still have a limited quantity of mass-energy available.

This silly idea that robots will make everything witout human labor is precisely that: Silly. Reducing the labor content of goods and services in general is a good thing, and look at the abundance of goods and services we have as a result. Robots, however, suck at a whole range of things, including any kind of real customization. While advanced tools like 3D printers and laser cutters make building custom items easier than ever before, they do it by using the best talents of humans (at designing things, and assembly of complicated things) and the best talents of robots (doing repetitious or dangerous things precisely and tirelessly)

Oh yeah.  Thanks.  That was the other thing--that if they do what I listed above (get rid of money and have magic robots build everything) all scarcity will be gone.  And according to them, since scarcity is the reason we have war, poverty, racial strife, etc,  anyone who opposes this perfection is therefore against a flawless system and is therefore against peace, prosperity, equality, etc.  Which, if it were really true, wouldn't there be no problems with IP?  As last I checked thoughts/ideas/etc are about the closest thing to non-scarce as exists in this universe.  Yet strife still happens with it.  It's almost as if the cause of these things is, oh, I dunno, the initiation of force/fraud, especially perpetuated by governments and/or us just living in a world of scarcity as is a fact and basic tenant of economics and as all the real world data shows.  Funny how that works...

Oh, and they also say they can't just test the idea in, say, a small city area because it wouldn't count.  No, it would HAVE to be the entire world that does it for it to work.  Yeah, sound familiar?

Yeah, I've argued with these nutbars before.  One of them (a wolf fur named Midnite on FA:  https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=278 ) tried to pull the old, "oh well, it's too complicated for me or someone like you to possibly understand!" cop out.  Funny, as I summarized it quite succinctly. :3  Meanwhile, his friend is blathering on to me about how hard, time consuming and expensive it is to make new drugs, etc.  Um, yeah, because that totally has NOTHING to do with the FDA and its bullshit, right?  Dumbasses.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2014, 10:09:48 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 07, 2014, 09:43:38 AMLet me guess: it boils down to, "Well, *I* didn't see any unseen effects!"

Dear Minimum Wage Supporters,

If it's really that damn easy to make people earn more without increasing their productivity, why stop there?  Advocate a minimum wage of $9001/hour and index it to the average price of food.  If it's that damn easy...

Sincerely,

Travis Retriever

PS:  No, no bullshit about, "that's stupid! We do it for the living wage!  Yer uh meaneh!" If you want to be taken seriously, be consistent.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on February 07, 2014, 11:28:02 AM
Libertarian candidate makes a joke about CVS still selling candy/beer/etc after stopping to sell cigarettes and /r/Libertarian on reddit explodes in fail

http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/1x54jp/the_florida_libertarian_candidate_for_governor_is/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/1x54jp/the_florida_libertarian_candidate_for_governor_is/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 07, 2014, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2014, 10:09:48 AM
Dear Minimum Wage Supporters,

If it's really that damn easy to make people earn more without increasing their productivity, why stop there?  Advocate a minimum wage of $9001/hour and index it to the average price of food.  If it's that damn easy...

Sincerely,

Travis Retriever

PS:  No, no bullshit about, "that's stupid! We do it for the living wage!  Yer uh meaneh!" If you want to be taken seriously, be consistent.

As far as it goes, they could mandate the price of certain key items, like say legislate that a 1/2 lb loaf of bread is $1, and price every thing around that, instead of mandating how much to pay someone. Just as much bullshit, but ostensibly it would serve the pretend purpose.

On a more serious note, it would be interesting to research the history of the minimum wage, I'd be particularly interested to know if the original intent was to improve these peoples lives, or if it was originally an anti-competition scheme, like to prevent a smaller competitor from under cutting established companies on price of production, and the like.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on February 07, 2014, 11:42:28 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2014, 07:50:11 AM
Think Communism with magic robots.  Basically money = the source of evil, and by going back to a barter economy, all will be good; as we will have robots doing all the work for us without workers having to compete (:0) with them.
That's more or less what I got from his comments. I just wasn't 100% sure because said comments are difficult to read thru.

On a related note, I'm curious now if his opinions on liberty are from Zeitgeist, or his own ramblings:

Rui PTG
you want someone to be 100% free of buying a gun and going up to you and shooting you in the face? because that's what true freedom is. People need some sort of guideline to live, that's obvious, but then that means we can't be 100% free
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 07, 2014, 12:09:18 PM
Quote from: Altimadark link=topic=315.msg23346#msg23346 date=1391791348

color=red]Rui PTG
(correcting grammer)you want someone to be 100% free of to buying a gun and going up to you and shooting you in the face? because that's what true freedom is. People need some sort of guideline to live, that's obvious, but then that means we can't be 100% free[/color]

Nobody says that you're free to walk up and shoot somebody in the face. As the saying goes, "the rights of your fist end where my nose begins". Come to think of it, that actually works in both directions in his example. Person A doesn't have a right to shoot Person B in the face and Person B doesn't have a right to stop Person A from buying a gun because of irrational fear of being shot in the face.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on February 07, 2014, 12:34:45 PM
Yea, I tried to explain that to him, and he effectively replied by saying what he just said -- we can't be 100% free because we'd all kill each other, therefore we need a "system" (read "government"). Further attempts to get more substance on this argument have proven futile.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 07, 2014, 12:40:21 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on February 07, 2014, 12:34:45 PM
Yea, I tried to explain that to him, and he effectively replied by saying what he just said -- we can't be 100% free because we'd all kill each other, therefore we need a "system" (read "government"). Further attempts to get more substance on this argument have proven futile.

That is funny because I bet these people would kill people if it weren't for the government. Psychopathic, wouldn't you say?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2014, 12:52:34 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 07, 2014, 12:40:21 PM
That is funny because I bet these people would kill people if it weren't for the government. Psychopathic, wouldn't you say?
I know right?
As our good friend Richard Dawkins said to a theist who tried to make this argument with regards to god, "Are you saying the only reason you don't murder, rape and steal is because you're afraid of punishment?"  If that's the case, you're really in no position to be lecturing about morals.

Folks, I got news for you.  We're not all that different.  If you think you're the only moral person in the world, kindly get over yourself.  I have asked for solid evidence for this claim for years and all I have to show for it is a pile of VERY weak anecdotes.

Shamelessly ripped from #9 of Lord T Hawkeye's journal here:  http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/Top-11-favorite-statist-arguments-278588905
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on February 07, 2014, 04:45:43 PM
I really shouldn't keep bringing this guy up, but he just re-stated why he believes private property is belief in magic. Make sure you're sitting down for this.

Rui PTG
if you want to own your own land, you can pretend its yours, but nothing is universaly (sic) attaching that land to you, when you die it won't die with you. it can be argued that even your body isnt yours, in fact, the very elements that make up your body were naturally recycled over millions of years, you might be made of elements that were part of a dinosaurs body, or elements that used to be on mars, most of your elements are made from different stars.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 07, 2014, 05:06:10 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on February 07, 2014, 04:45:43 PM
I really shouldn't keep bringing this guy up, but he just re-stated why he believes private property is belief in magic. Make sure you're sitting down for this.

Rui PTG
if you want to own your own land, you can pretend its yours, but nothing is universaly (sic) attaching that land to you, when you die it won't die with you. it can be argued that even your body isnt yours, in fact, the very elements that make up your body were naturally recycled over millions of years, you might be made of elements that were part of a dinosaurs body, or elements that used to be on mars, most of your elements are made from different stars.

I have only three words for that. What the Fuck?!?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2014, 06:19:06 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on February 07, 2014, 04:45:43 PM
I really shouldn't keep bringing this guy up, but he just re-stated why he believes private property is belief in magic. Make sure you're sitting down for this.

Rui PTG
if you want to own your own land, you can pretend its yours, but nothing is universaly (sic) attaching that land to you, when you die it won't die with you. it can be argued that even your body isnt yours, in fact, the very elements that make up your body were naturally recycled over millions of years, you might be made of elements that were part of a dinosaurs body, or elements that used to be on mars, most of your elements are made from different stars.
My sides!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 07, 2014, 08:48:41 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on February 07, 2014, 04:45:43 PM
I really shouldn't keep bringing this guy up, but he just re-stated why he believes private property is belief in magic. Make sure you're sitting down for this.

Rui PTG
if you want to own your own land, you can pretend its yours, but nothing is universaly (sic) attaching that land to you, when you die it won't die with you. it can be argued that even your body isnt yours, in fact, the very elements that make up your body were naturally recycled over millions of years, you might be made of elements that were part of a dinosaurs body, or elements that used to be on mars, most of your elements are made from different stars.


[spoiler]Fuck...[/spoiler]

yeah, that's all I have to say.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 07, 2014, 09:52:34 PM
(http://i60.tinypic.com/34o8u1i.jpg)

I don't give a single fuck what Michael Shermer has contributed to the Skeptic Movement. As far as I'm concerned, it no longer matters. He's officially a massive piece of shit. Sometimes, having certain opinions outweigh anything good you've done.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on February 07, 2014, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on February 07, 2014, 04:45:43 PM
I really shouldn't keep bringing this guy up, but he just re-stated why he believes private property is belief in magic. Make sure you're sitting down for this.

Rui PTG
if you want to own your own land, you can pretend its yours, but nothing is universaly (sic) attaching that land to you, when you die it won't die with you. it can be argued that even your body isnt yours, in fact, the very elements that make up your body were naturally recycled over millions of years, you might be made of elements that were part of a dinosaurs body, or elements that used to be on mars, most of your elements are made from different stars.

Errmm...
[spoiler](http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/strong-lolololol.gif)[/spoiler]

I nominate this entry for Idiot Extraordinaire
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 07, 2014, 11:17:04 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on February 07, 2014, 04:45:43 PM
I really shouldn't keep bringing this guy up, but he just re-stated why he believes private property is belief in magic. Make sure you're sitting down for this.

Rui PTG
if you want to own your own land, you can pretend its yours, but nothing is universaly (sic) attaching that land to you, when you die it won't die with you. it can be argued that even your body isnt yours, in fact, the very elements that make up your body were naturally recycled over millions of years, you might be made of elements that were part of a dinosaurs body, or elements that used to be on mars, most of your elements are made from different stars.

Head desk x100000

[spoiler](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jWNhyMUpjSE/TSDicxbE7bI/AAAAAAAAH9o/JcKpDeU0ttQ/s400/funny-picture-the-stupid-it-burns.jpg)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 08, 2014, 09:14:39 AM
Quote from: D on February 07, 2014, 09:52:34 PM
(http://i60.tinypic.com/34o8u1i.jpg)

I don't give a single fuck what Michael Shermer has contributed to the Skeptic Movement. As far as I'm concerned, it no longer matters. He's officially a massive piece of shit. Sometimes, having certain opinions outweigh anything good you've done.

My question: why was the "F" part even put in to begin with?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 08, 2014, 09:49:55 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 08, 2014, 09:14:39 AM
My question: why was the "F" part even put in to begin with?
Indeed. A petition against "Genital Mutilation" (GM) would be better.  Or at least an "I" or two:  Involuntary Genital Mutilation, Infant Genital Mutilation, or at least Involuntary Infant Genital Mutilation.  Why the fuck does gender matter for this?  Fuck you Shermer for saying they aren't morally equivalent!

#no genital mutilation!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 08, 2014, 10:03:48 AM
Speaking of the net neutrality bullshit going around:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5490683/
/sigh
Of course.  And one commenter talking about the "competitive nature of American ISPs" being able to prevent this.  Which is total bullshit.  ISPs have monopolies granted by local governments.  Hence why they are able to pull the shit they do (well among other government related bullshit).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 08, 2014, 12:43:06 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 08, 2014, 09:14:39 AM
My question: why was the "F" part even put in to begin with?

Because according to Shermer, that is somehow worse.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 08, 2014, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 08, 2014, 10:03:48 AM
Speaking of the net neutrality bullshit going around:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5490683/
/sigh
Of course.  And one commenter talking about the "competitive nature of American ISPs" being able to prevent this.  Which is total bullshit.  ISPs have monopolies granted by local governments.  Hence why they are able to pull the shit they do (well among other government related bullshit).

I didn't see any content at that link :(  . Well, unless "save the internet, save the internet, save the internet" is what you meant)

The second part is a situation where the person is technically correct, but actually wrong. You can get Netzero, or an independent, or something for "internet service",(it's been about forever since I checked, so I'm not sure if AOL or MSN still offer their ISP or not) but you still have to connect to them through the telephone, the cable, or the satellite - which means, for practical purposes, you only have one or two choices in each area.

To put it another way, yeah, I can get Netzero instead of, let's say Windstream, but the actual connection is still on Windstream which is still going to manage their through put like always. All Netzero does is give me another bill on top of the Windstream bill. I suppose if you live in a large metro area, it's conceivable there might be 3 or 4 actual choices; but usually when you get down to a specific neighborhood, it's still one or two just like anywhere else.

And finally, the one commenter - the one who actually said something - had a good point about the water/electric/gas company not being allowed to cut your shit once you used a certain amount in a day, or whatever.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 08, 2014, 01:11:17 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on February 08, 2014, 01:00:04 PM
I didn't see any content at that link :(  . Well, unless "save the internet, save the internet, save the internet" is what you meant)
The journal has a link to it crying about net neutrality being no longer a thing, and it was what prompted me to post the entry itself in fail quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 08, 2014, 06:25:45 PM
Goddamn it C0nc0rdance.
His comments on this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQp_cO2RNZU
The huge 27+ sized thread starting with him and ending with Shane.  All of C0nc0dance's comments are epic fail.
I love how he tries to pass off his fear mongering bogosity and bogus questions like, "Why hasn't there been a working libertarian society that we would have already emulated?" or some equally stupid bullshit as reasonable and scholarly.  Get off your high horse C0nc0dance.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 08, 2014, 07:36:08 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 08, 2014, 06:25:45 PM
Goddamn it C0nc0rdance.
His comments on this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQp_cO2RNZU
The huge 27+ sized thread starting with him and ending with Shane.  All of C0nc0dance's comments are epic fail.
I love how he tries to pass off his fear mongering bogus and bogus questions like, "Why hasn't there been a working libertarian society that we would have already emulated?" or some equally stupid bullshit as reasonable and scholarly.  Get off your high horse C0nc0dance.

I'll answer that question when he tells me why there has been no society based off of his specific values of "rationalism" and "skepticism" (well, as he clearly thinks of them)....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 08, 2014, 08:09:59 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 08, 2014, 07:36:08 PM
I'll answer that question when he tells me why there has been no society based off of his specific values of "rationalism" and "skepticism" (well, as he clearly thinks of them)....

I've always thought it was a pretty obvious trap myself. So, we can't have any libertarian countries until we have a libertarian country and see how it works? Then how do you ever get the first libertarian country?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 08, 2014, 08:15:34 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 08, 2014, 08:09:59 PM
I've always thought it was a pretty obvious trap myself. So, we can't have any libertarian countries until we have a libertarian country and see how it works? Then how do you ever get the first libertarian country?

I guess we could start a libertarian suburb and expand from there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 08, 2014, 08:43:37 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 08, 2014, 08:09:59 PM
I've always thought it was a pretty obvious trap myself. So, we can't have any libertarian countries until we have a libertarian country and see how it works? Then how do you ever get the first libertarian country?
Also, didn't we already HAVE a libertarian country with 19th century America (slavery notwithstanding)?  I though the USA was where you do move and live if you wanted to be free!  Talk about not just a catch-22, but also flat out denial?  And I thought many countries DID emulate it with the American Revolution inspiring many other countries populations to rebel!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 08, 2014, 10:07:46 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 08, 2014, 08:43:37 PM
Also, didn't we already HAVE a relatively ibertarian country with 19th century America (slavery notwithstanding)?  I though the USA was where you do move and live if you wanted to be free!  Talk about not just a catch-22, but also flat out denial?  And I thought many countries DID emulate it with the American Revolution inspiring many other countries populations to rebel!

better. But your point still stands.

the same historically could be said for other parts of the world that were freer than elsewhere: many of the greatest empires actually expanded because their people were freer than elsewhere, or from before, and therefore had greater energy, vitality and a need for expansion. Consider the strong tradition of rights and due process in Rome during its Republican days, the accepting nature of the Ancient Persians, or Britain's curtailment of royal authority in the latter half of the 17th century, the Han taking over the Qin etc. Heck, One secret to the blitzkrieg that was the Caliphate was that even for non-Muslims, conditions were better than before (though obviously far from perfect).

the point is, the freer the society, the better the place, and the stronger the people. So doubtless a truly free society would be the strongest, most stable, and capable place, economically and socially (and as it was truly free and prosperous, and enforced the NAP principle, it would attract others to emulate or join it). And you know what corrupted all the above? Government. It would always bloat, become corrupt and inefficient, and eventually devolve into Tyrannies and fragment: every last one of them did.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 08, 2014, 10:28:47 PM
Quote
Your confusing 'violence' with 'enforcement'. If you don't pay your taxes, then through law enforcement, there will be penalties. Unless your advocating that no one should have to pay taxes, I don't see how you can uphold that practice without enforcement. That has to do with going delinquent on your taxes, and facing penalties from the federal government for not doing so. That's has nothing specifically to do with TSA, nor does it prove them specifically to be 'violent'.

Yes "enforcement" that's totally different!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 09, 2014, 12:03:16 AM
This comment (attachment) to this article.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/how-japans-bbc-is-rewriting-its-role-in-second-world-war-9115827.html
Although fail is here too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 09, 2014, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 09, 2014, 12:03:16 AM
This comment (attachment) to this article.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/how-japans-bbc-is-rewriting-its-role-in-second-world-war-9115827.html
Although fail is here too.
>> State Capitalist.
That is an oxymoron if ever there was one.  Just like "Libertarian Socialist."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 09, 2014, 01:32:40 PM
So not only is AlfonZo stupid about drug policy, but he thinks punches and kicks are "ballistics"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 09, 2014, 01:35:05 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 09, 2014, 01:32:40 PM
So not only is AlfonZo stupid about drug policy, but he thinks punches and kicks are "ballistics"
Ah yes, more ad hominems from him too.  Good on, ya' Zo.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 09, 2014, 01:38:45 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 09, 2014, 01:35:05 PM
Ah yes, more ad hominems from him too.  Good on, ya' Zo.
Not to mention the projection when he calls someone petty.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 09, 2014, 09:19:06 PM
Everything said by wizkid2000 (the video maker was cool, and his video is not fail: in fact I started commenting to clarify things, admitting it is tangetial).

[yt]A1sDZ7em-ls[/yt]

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 09, 2014, 09:29:21 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 09, 2014, 09:19:06 PM
Everything said by wizkid2000 (the video maker was cool, and his video is not fail: in fact I started commenting to clarify things, admitting it is tangetial).

[yt]A1sDZ7em-ls[/yt]
He's also anti-GMO...I wish I was making that up.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 09, 2014, 09:42:06 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 09, 2014, 09:29:21 PM
He's also anti-GMO...I wish I was making that up.

well, a large, stupid animal is always to be taken down by surrounding them. the more people post to call out his bullshit, the better.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on February 10, 2014, 08:17:14 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ej-dionne-jr-an-economic-school-has-led-to-gridlock-in-washington/2014/02/09/12de8df0-9020-11e3-b46a-5a3d0d2130da_story.html?hpid=z3 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ej-dionne-jr-an-economic-school-has-led-to-gridlock-in-washington/2014/02/09/12de8df0-9020-11e3-b46a-5a3d0d2130da_story.html?hpid=z3)

This guy is saying that the political gridlock in D.C. was caused by Austrian economics. LOLWUT?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on February 11, 2014, 05:09:37 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/actress-ellen-barkin-american-people-belong-to-obama
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 11, 2014, 06:06:06 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on February 11, 2014, 05:09:37 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/actress-ellen-barkin-american-people-belong-to-obama
Slavery:  The new abolition.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 11, 2014, 07:00:35 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 11, 2014, 06:06:06 PM
Slavery:  The new abolition.

So this stupid hag is arguing that we should live in north korea.

Bitch please check yourself into an insane asylum
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 12, 2014, 09:52:09 AM
Waddy Mutters on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQp_cO2RNZU) (actually, ALL his comments on that video are fail):
QuoteOk provide the studies and I show you how to read them correctly and show you where you were deluded.

See? He's already determined what the "right" answer is, and if the study shows otherwise it just needs to be "read correctly." Just like the parts of the Bible that say the Earth is flat!

Understand: he did NOT look at me citing a study, look it over, and determine that I WAS reading it correctly. He hadn't looked at ANY studies at that point! Folks, if you assert you know the answer before you begin, it DOESN'T MATTER how many studies you find to support it! You were right or wrong the moment you made the statement, and NOTHING in the universe can change that.

But moreover, I think this is an example of what Daniel Dennett calls "belief in belief." This is where you believe that you believe something, without actually believing it. It sounds strange; doesn't the mere act of belief make it true? But if you follow me on this I think you'll agree:

Carl Sagan once gave an example of a dragon in his garage, and a conversation he had with a hypothetical person that went something like this: "Show me the dragon!" "It's invisible." "So I'll listen for it." "It's inaudible." "So I'll detect the heat from its fire breath." "It only breathes cold, invisible fire." "So I'll throw up some dirt and watch it land on it." "Sorry, but it's permeable as well."

It's not just that the idea is unfalsifiable; it's that he knows AHEAD OF TIME what the results of each experiment will be and how he'll have to explain it away. It would be different if he agreed to do the dirt experiment, and then after it failed went, "Gee, I guess it's permeable to dirt." He'd still be deluded, but his belief would be genuine. It's his ability to explain away the results of experiments that haven't been done yet (or at least, he hasn't seen the results of) that shows quite clearly that his mental model of the universe works PRECISELY as it would if there were no dragon, and he expects the universe to behave EXACTLY as it would if no dragon were there. He might honestly believe that he believes the dragon is there, but he doesn't ACTUALLY believe it.

Same with this guy. It isn't just that he presupposes the conclusion; it isn't just his smug, arrogant assumption of superior knowledge; it's that he ALREADY KNOWS WHAT THE STUDIES WILL SAY and that they have to be "read correctly" to get the "right" answer. It's belief in belief.

And that's today's lesson.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2014, 12:51:45 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-environmental-myths-too-many-people-still-believe/
I call bullshit on number #3.  Nobody's saying throwing stuff away doesn't have a cost.  That's a strawman, knock that off.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 12, 2014, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2014, 12:51:45 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-environmental-myths-too-many-people-still-believe/
I call bullshit on number #3.  Nobody's saying throwing stuff away doesn't have a cost.  That's a strawman, knock that off.

On #2 - I don't see why the bottles couldn't be sent back to the manufacturer, sterilized, and refilled.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2014, 02:07:15 PM
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/32/32422603101886915d18f9a9c852fdef90c5bf7a9c9ad5cce845cea1d0120ae1.jpg)

Bullshit.  Simply expecting reciprocity doesn't mean you aren't a nice guy.  GirlWritesWhat murdered that argument as far as I'm concerned (win video):

[yt]a9XDb0nxSO4[/yt]

And of course an epic fail of a comment left on the video:

Evolution was disproved by DNA. In fact a couple of well known Doctors have said they believe they have the missing link. Although we had creatures on this earth for millions if not billions of years...they were not HUMAN. In fact all other beings were some how destroyed before the human being came on board. The Universities are pimping JUNK Science and charging top dollar. We've been pumping PHDs from the U.S and ISRAEL like water. So if the world is smarter than why life is harder? Why is everything dead wrong or head for shit? Because it's ALL based on lies. We never came from monkeys.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 12, 2014, 04:24:47 PM
Hello again Being Liberal.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/01/20/more-americans-have-died-from-domestic-gunfire-than-all-wars-in-u-s-history-is-that-true/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2014, 05:34:28 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 12, 2014, 04:24:47 PM
Hello again Being Liberal.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/01/20/more-americans-have-died-from-domestic-gunfire-than-all-wars-in-u-s-history-is-that-true/
Ladies and gentlemen--this article is an example of going full retard.  Never go full retard.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 12, 2014, 05:36:58 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2014, 05:34:28 PM
Ladies and gentlemen--this article is an example of going full retard.  Never go full retard.

What about all the people killed BY US SOLDIERS. huh?

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2014, 05:42:21 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 12, 2014, 05:36:58 PM
What about all the people killed BY US SOLDIERS. huh?
That's my point. :P  Hell, over 600,000 were killed in the Civil War alone, so I have no clue where that OP goes about the 222k people killed in all US wars combined being 'proven' when basic math and fact checking that it would take about 10 seconds to Google would debunk it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 12, 2014, 06:00:25 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2014, 05:42:21 PM
That's my point. :P  Hell, over 600,000 were killed in the Civil War alone, so I have no clue where that OP goes about the 222k people killed in all US wars combined being 'proven' when basic math and fact checking that it would take about 10 seconds to Google would debunk it.

Can you kind of see the implications of that? They are saying that people, especially foreigners killed by Americans doesn't count as murder.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2014, 06:21:31 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 12, 2014, 06:00:25 PM
Can you kind of see the implications of that? They are saying that people, especially foreigners killed by Americans doesn't count as murder.
I can.  And yeah, it sucks.  Hard.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 12, 2014, 06:32:14 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2014, 06:21:31 PM
I can.  And yeah, it sucks.  Hard.

These people make my blood boil. Hate is not a strong enough word to describe my loathing towards these people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on February 12, 2014, 06:33:32 PM
http://www.policymic.com/articles/81929/11-disturbing-facts-about-the-nsa-that-will-piss-you-off
The fail isn't the article, it's Geoffrey Chamber's comments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 14, 2014, 06:18:26 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 16, 2014, 09:36:47 AM
Quote from: D on February 28, 2012, 07:50:54 PM
"IM IN THE US ARMY SUPPORT YOUR TROOPS OR GO FUCK YOUR SELF!"
Somebody must have been a bad little boy, because someone has been spanking his ass.  Because his butt's hurt!
But seriously:  http://v.i4031.net/StatistFallacies/SoldiersProtectYourFreedom
OP is an ape who shouldn't be allowed to live in society.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 16, 2014, 09:56:13 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 16, 2014, 09:36:47 AM
Somebody must have been a bad little boy, because someone has been spanking his ass.  Because his butt's hurt!
But seriously:  http://v.i4031.net/StatistFallacies/SoldiersProtectYourFreedom
OP is an ape who shouldn't be allowed to live in society.

He's also unlikely to be in the US Army, as actual soldiers usually like people who favor not sending them into harm's way without really good reasons.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 16, 2014, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on February 16, 2014, 09:56:13 AM
He's also unlikely to be in the US Army, as actual soldiers usually like people who favor not sending them into harm's way without really good reasons.
Oh believe me, I figured.  To give you an idea, during the 2008 election, Ron Paul got more contributions/support from US Servicemen than all the other candidates combined.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 16, 2014, 11:54:47 AM
Every one of Aldark's comments here: http://travis-retriever.deviantart.com/journal/And-while-I-m-on-the-topic-of-misandry-feminism-433194106#comments
This is a guy who thinks that using an argument someone else came up with is "dishonorable" or something.  Probably because he's an Australian Otaku who thinks it's macho or some bogosity.

I also removed him from my Skype contacts, and from my DA watchlist.  I'm sorry, but there isn't vacancy in my friend-zone--or even the acquaintance-zone for people who are going to lie and say, "Well it's just my opinion! whether valid or not" (read: doesn't know what an "opinion" actually is) hiding behind that (when making statements of facts--e.g. people are lazy/etc but dogs won't be happy unless they're doing something...yeah, citation needed bro), or try to bullshit around grammar rules (yes, but when I say, "Humans are lazy" it only means all humans are lazy unless you don't specify afterwards--citation needed, bro), or lie about the math to prove their point as he seemed to do in those comment.

"that logic also requires everyone to have had sex. lol. I havent, so yeah. the maths has too many variables to make an accurite evaluation of which gender has more sex. XD some have some, some have alot, others dont have any. if all 'somes' and 'somes' were boning each other, and all 'lots' and 'lots' were boning each other, and neither were boning anyone in any othe catagory, then maybe it would be a 50 50 split. But then, what if a 'lots' has sex with a 'some', and that 'some' neve has sex again? doesnt that throw off the average? too many variables. way too many. XD not to mention most people will lie about how many theyve had to sound better anyway."

My response: "that logic also requires everyone to have had sex." Nonsense.   Reread the article.  The first example is with 4 virgin dudes and one super-stud.
Also, it was talking about number of sexual partners.  And how the sex of one gender compares to the other.  Also, no one's saying some men have more sex than others or some women have more sex than others.  I don't know where you're getting that.

His reply to that:  My point about 'some people having more then others' is my OWN statement. a statement that directly contradicts what the article is saying. which is: "You see, by virtue of the fact that sex has to occur between two people, it's mathematically impossible for men to average more sexual partners than women." That only works if everyone is boning the exact same ammount of people in their lifetimes. which would require a perfect fate or destiny to control such a number, which scientifically speaking is unthinkable.
"So, when you take a national average of heterosexual sexual partners, as all of these studies have done, the number of partners for men has to exactly equal the number of partners for women." Thats the true nonsense.

Think of it like this:
-Person 1 has 5 partners.
-Each of those partners have 5 other partners each. Thats where the above statement stops counting, that if one person has sex with 5 people, EVERYONE has to have sex with 5 people. which is silly.
-Because its probable that 1 of those people will only have had 1 other partner.
-That one person might have 15 other partners.
-All those people would then all have varying numbers of other partners.
I dont see how that would make the world come out with perfectly even numbers. Its mathmatically improbable [not impossible] for that to be the case. Exadurated example: If 1 person has 50 partners, and they are all faithful to that 1 person, thats already fucked up the balance.
And faithfulness does exist, which the article doesnt account for.

My latest reply:  "My point about 'some people having more then others' is my OWN statement. a statement that directly contradicts what the article is saying. which is: "You see, by virtue of the fact that sex has to occur between two people, it's mathematically impossible for men to average more sexual partners than women." That only works if everyone is boning the exact same amount of people in their lifetimes."
A statement you've done nothing to prove, meanwhile the article proved itself mathematically.

"Think of it like this:
-Person 1 has 5 partners.
-Because its probable that 1 of those people will only have had 1 other partner.
-That one person might have 15 other partners.
-All those people would then all have varying numbers of other partners.
I dont see how that would make the world come out with perfectly even numbers. Its mathmatically improbable [not impossible] for that to be the case. Exadurated example: If 1 person has 50 partners, and they are all faithful to that 1 person, thats already fucked up the balance.
And faithfulness does exist, which the article doesnt account for."

Again, does nothing to prove otherwise, reread the article.

"Person 1 has 5 partners"
And that means that there are another 4 dudes not getting any, so the average stays at one.

"-Each of those partners have 5 other partners each. Thats where the above statement stops counting, that if one person has sex with 5 people, EVERYONE has to have sex with 5 people. which is silly."
This ONLY works if the number of males and females in the population is different or if straight men are having loads of gay sex with other each. Otherwise, the average would have to be the same mathematically, as it happened in your own example.
Also, you're making the mistake of not taking into account the ENTIRE population like the studies did, to make a statement about an entire population you have to take a population (and the math into account) which is what the cracked.com article did.

Maybe getting back in touch with this fucktard really was a mistake.  Especially since he believes "using someone else's arguments is dishonorable" or something equally bullshit.

Also, you DO know there is a difference between an average, and an individual data point, right?  Because reading this it seems you don't know that difference.

Again, reread the article.  They take into account a ten person population: 5 women, 5 men.  If one guy has sex with each of the 5 women, it is still an average of 1 sexual partner, even if stud boy had five because the four who got none bring down the average:  (5+0*4)/5 men = 1 sex partner/man average.  And with the woman:  (5*1)/5 woman = 1 sex partner/woman average.  Why you think having them do it again would make a difference is beyond me.

Again, go through the math and keep track of the average number of sexual partners for men vs. women, even if you change it up.  It will ALWAYS come out to the same unless the populations of men and women are different (which you seemed to try and sneak in), if you don't count the men who didn't have sex (which is dishonest as it means you don't know what an average is), or if the men are having TONS of gay sex despite being straight.

Hell, in your own example, each of those five partners they had would men 4 other people got none, so again, it still balances out.  Take into account the entire population, don't cherry pick just so you can make a bogus appeal to complication.

"-All those people would then all have varying numbers of other partners."
Irrelevant. doesn't matter.  The average would still come out to the same number of sexual partners for each gender.

So any thoughts on his latest reply?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 16, 2014, 01:46:50 PM
Yeah, there's no way around the average. Of all of the heterosexual men and women in the world, they have on average the same number of sexual partners. Unless someone can come up with a way for a man to have sex with a woman without the woman having sex with the man. That should be interesting...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 16, 2014, 04:14:50 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 16, 2014, 01:46:50 PM
Yeah, there's no way around the average. Of all of the heterosexual men and women in the world, they have on average the same number of sexual partners. Unless someone can come up with a way for a man to have sex with a woman without the woman having sex with the man. That should be interesting...
Which leads me to believe Aldark is either lying about having read the article, lying about what it said or lying about understanding it.  As nothing he's said (as seen above) does ANYTHING to falsify that cracked.com article* in question.

* http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/mathematical-proof-that-media-sexist-bad-at-math/

All he could do when not babbling incoherently in text form was to bring in a guy who had sex with five women and NOT count the women as having had sex, but the guy as having had sex, while babbling about "many variables" and how "that logic only works if you've had sex" (it doesn't--reread the article Aldark).  So dishonest cherry picking bullshit, lying and appeal to complication.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 16, 2014, 07:24:50 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 16, 2014, 09:36:47 AM
Somebody must have been a bad little boy, because someone has been spanking his ass.  Because his butt's hurt!
But seriously:  http://v.i4031.net/StatistFallacies/SoldiersProtectYourFreedom
OP is an ape who shouldn't be allowed to live in society.

That's not fair. Apes are noble and majestic creatures capable of incredible feats of intelligence.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 16, 2014, 08:13:24 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 16, 2014, 08:16:14 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/jesse-jackson-claims-semi-automatic-rifles-can-blow-up-railroads
Are anti gunners this crazy?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 16, 2014, 08:24:18 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 16, 2014, 08:16:14 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/jesse-jackson-claims-semi-automatic-rifles-can-blow-up-railroads
Are anti gunners this crazy?

Okay how is a tiny bullet like the the 223 remington going to blow up a railroad made of several tons of solid iron and steel.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 16, 2014, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 16, 2014, 08:24:18 PM
Okay how is a tiny bullet like the the 223 remington going to blow up a railroad made of several tons of solid iron and steel.
Well, there's a tiny nuclear bomb inside! Duhhhhh!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 17, 2014, 12:58:14 AM
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Oh dear God(who doesn't exist!)!
You have to be shitting me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 17, 2014, 01:48:02 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 17, 2014, 12:58:14 AM
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Oh dear God(who doesn't exist!)!
You have to be shitting me.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on February 17, 2014, 03:12:46 AM
When it comes to science AlfonZo Rachel dives headfirst into a black hole.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 17, 2014, 05:43:00 AM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on February 17, 2014, 03:12:46 AM
When it comes to science pretty much anything involving education beyond grade three, AlfonZo Rachel dives headfirst into a black hole.

There. Much better.

Why do we keep watching this fuck again?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 17, 2014, 07:54:46 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on February 17, 2014, 05:43:00 AM
There. Much better.

Why do we keep watching this fuck again?
LOL!
Well, someone just earned his 14th cluon. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 17, 2014, 08:21:09 AM
"Good talk Zo. Never mind the haters and disbelievers. Bill Nye pretends to be a scientist, he's a mechanical engineer. The media turned him into a scientist.
God loves everyone."--some pillock in the comments of Zo's video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 17, 2014, 08:57:29 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on February 17, 2014, 05:43:00 AM
There. Much better.

Why do we keep watching this fuck again?

I guess its the same reason we read Krugman.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 17, 2014, 09:48:40 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 17, 2014, 08:57:29 AM
I guess its the same reason we read Krugman.

I thought we read Krugman because he's (unintentionally) very funny.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 17, 2014, 10:49:52 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on February 17, 2014, 09:48:40 AM
I thought we read Krugman because he's (unintentionally) very funny.
I thought it was because we were secretly masochist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 17, 2014, 02:23:09 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 17, 2014, 08:57:29 AM
I guess its the same reason we read Krugman.

Krugman is someone that a lot of people pay attention to. That's why it's so important we keep going after him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 17, 2014, 06:43:33 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 17, 2014, 08:21:09 AM
"Good talk Zo. Never mind the haters and disbelievers. Bill Nye pretends to be a scientist, he's a mechanical engineer. The media turned him into a scientist.
God loves everyone."--some pillock in the comments of Zo's video.

Actually, IIRC, Bill Nye never claims to be anything other than an entertainer with an interest in science. Ken Ham, however, represents his lab tech credentials (that's what it amounts to) as evidence he is a scientist. They actually have the same degree.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 17, 2014, 06:44:30 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 17, 2014, 02:23:09 PM
Krugman is someone that a lot of people pay attention to. That's why it's so important we keep going after him.

Uh, Who?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 17, 2014, 06:54:33 PM
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Stay classy, OP.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 17, 2014, 06:58:20 PM
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I haven't watched the above video, so it's probably win.  On the above video's comment section (epic fail):

Quote from: some busy body pinheadThey're minors bud. They're not adults. You stealing your own car is not really a viable analogy. I personally have no problem with the government saying that under age girls aren't allowed to take naked pictures of themselves. If that gets out onto the internet(which most of the time it does) then that is distribution of child pornography any way you look at it.

Also, shooting heroin does have a negative effect on society as a whole
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 17, 2014, 07:04:02 PM
Quote from: post aboveThey're minors bud. They're not adults. You stealing your own car is not really a viable analogy. I personally have no problem with the government saying that under age girls aren't allowed to take naked pictures of themselves. If that gets out onto the internet(which most of the time it does) then that is distribution of child pornography any way you look at it.

Say what? You can't take pictures of yourself? Rly? Granted, they shouldn't be public pictures... but since no one is being exploited or anything like that...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 17, 2014, 07:20:23 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on February 17, 2014, 06:44:30 PM
Uh, Who?

Try most of the skeptic movement who aren't libertarians.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on February 17, 2014, 07:52:35 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 12, 2014, 04:24:47 PM
Hello again Being Liberal.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/01/20/more-americans-have-died-from-domestic-gunfire-than-all-wars-in-u-s-history-is-that-true/

My BS meter is blaring right now, but can someone explain why exactly this article is wrong?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 17, 2014, 08:04:17 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on February 17, 2014, 07:52:35 PM
My BS meter is blaring right now, but can someone explain why exactly this article is wrong?

They're including suicides in with the gun deaths. They also don't count the deaths PREVENTED by gun ownership.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 17, 2014, 08:19:23 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on February 17, 2014, 06:43:33 PM
Actually, IIRC, Bill Nye never claims to be anything other than an entertainer with an interest in science. Ken Ham, however, represents his lab tech credentials (that's what it amounts to) as evidence he is a scientist. They actually have the same degree.

The comments get stupider and stupider.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 17, 2014, 08:30:02 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 17, 2014, 08:04:17 PM
They're including suicides in with the gun deaths. They also don't count the deaths PREVENTED by gun ownership.

I have one thing to say. Suicides and accidents DO NOT COUNT!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on February 17, 2014, 11:00:14 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 17, 2014, 06:58:20 PM
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I haven't watched the above video, so it's probably win.  On the above video's comment section (epic fail):

"You own yourself!" Is TJ an anarchist/libertarian now? Someone please tell me hes an Anarchist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 18, 2014, 09:29:38 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 17, 2014, 08:30:02 PM
I have one thing to say. Suicides and accidents DO NOT COUNT!

I my generous moods I'll allow for accidents, since that is in fact a negative effect of gun ownership. Of course, if we do that, we have to consider the number of people accidentally killed by governments as well. How many hundreds of thousands if not millions have died from the FDA delaying their medication from being put on the market?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 18, 2014, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on February 17, 2014, 11:00:14 PM
"You own yourself!" Is TJ an anarchist/libertarian now? Someone please tell me hes an Anarchist.
TJ has always used that argument since I've followed him way back in like, 2006.  Though he also seems to think allowing some socialization, like healthcare, environmental protection, etc, makes him a "true libertarian" and us just conservative wannabes or what have you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 18, 2014, 09:44:26 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 16, 2014, 08:13:24 PM
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I'll bet dollars to donuts that was a result of government intervention.  Funny how these assholes want to avoid this real example of libertarian intersection:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on February 18, 2014, 11:09:06 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 18, 2014, 09:33:37 AM
TJ has always used that argument since I've followed him way back in like, 2006.  Though he also seems to think allowing some socialization, like healthcare, environmental protection, etc, makes him a "true libertarian" and us just conservative wannabes or what have you.

Right, because **** consistency.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 18, 2014, 11:34:09 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 18, 2014, 09:44:26 AM
I'll bet dollars to donuts that was a result of government intervention.

The clue is you also have traffic jammed going AWAY from the intersection. If it were just a matter of the intersection being clogged, then the outbound lanes would be clear.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 18, 2014, 06:43:25 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 16, 2014, 08:13:24 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 18, 2014, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 18, 2014, 06:43:25 PM
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Not that it has to do with your point, but I think that may be on a corporate property of some kind. If it is, what's being taken as lanes may not be lanes at all, but parking spaces.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 19, 2014, 01:53:33 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 17, 2014, 12:58:14 AM
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Oh dear God(who doesn't exist!)!
You have to be shitting me.

Hey, Shane I think I need help with comments like this by ScrumdidlEumsous.

Quote"Atheism has no belief. Atheism is a lack of belief in gods."

Its funny how you redefine it from what it has historicaly been considered.

According to the Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy:

"Atheism is the position that affirms the non-existence of God. It proposes positive disbelief rather than mere suspension of belief."

Also dictionary.com:
"1.the doctrine or belief that there is no God."

I know many people say it is a lack of belief, but it has always been looked at as a positive belief, and for good reason. how atheist go about it is not as if they lack beliefs, but carry a full fledged set of beliefs.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on February 19, 2014, 09:39:22 AM
http://xposethereal.com/news/24-hard-facts-about-911-that-cannot-be-debunked.html (http://xposethereal.com/news/24-hard-facts-about-911-that-cannot-be-debunked.html)

In 2014, 9/11 Truth is still going strong

Quote9/11 has been one of the biggest events in recent history that sparked a mass awakening across the world. There has been much debate as to how it happened, who is responsible and why. To this day about 1/3 of americans do not believe the official story. In other areas of the world as much as 90% of the country does not believe the official story.

Here is a list of 24 facts that cannot be debunked about 9/11.

1) Nano Thermite was found in the dust at Ground Zero. Peer reviewed in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal. 'Niels Harrit', 'Thermite Bentham', "The great thermate debate" Jon Cole, 'Iron rich spheres' Steven Jones, 'Limited Metallurgical Examination (FEMA C-13, Appendix C-6)'. 'Nano Tubes'

2) 1700+ Engineers and Architects support a real independent 9/11 investigation. Richard Gage, Founder. 'Explosive Evidence', 'Blueprint for Truth', 'AE911′, 'Toronto Hearings', 'Kevin Ryan'.

3) The total collapse of WTC 7 in 6.5 seconds at free fall acceleration (NIST admits 2.25 seconds). Larry Silverstein used the term "Pull it". Steel framed high rise buildings have NEVER totally collapsed from fire or structural damage. Builidng 7 was not hit by a plane. 'Building 7′, 'WTC 7′.

4) Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11 while running war games. 'Stand down order'. "Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary?". Norman Minetta testimony. "Gave order to shootdown Flight 93.", 'NORAD Drills'.

5) 6 out of the 10 Commissioners believe the 9/11 Commission report was "Setup to fail" Co-Chairs Hamilton and Kean, "It was a 30 year conspiracy", "The whitehouse has played cover up", 'Max Cleland resigned', 'John Farmer'.

6) FBI confiscated 84/85 Videos from the Pentagon. 'Moussaoui trial' revealed these videos. Released Pentagon Security Camera (FOIA) does not show a 757 and is clearly Missing a frame. 'Sheraton Hotel', "Double tree', 'Citgo".

7) Osama Bin Laden was NOT wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks. "No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11." CIA created, trained and funded "Al Qaeda/Taliban" during the Mujahideen. OBL was a CIA asset named 'Tim Osman'. OBL Reported dead in Dec 2001 (FOX).

8)100′s of Firefighters and witness testimony to BOMBS/EXPLOSIONS ignored by the 9/11 Commission Report. 9/11 Commission Report bars 503 1st responder eyewitnesses. "Explosions in the lobby and sub levels", 'Firefighter explosions', 'Barry Jennings', 'William Rodriguez'.

9) 100′s of firefighters and witness testimony to MOLTEN METAL ignored by the Commission report. "Like you're in a foundry", "NIST's John Gross denies the existence of Molten Metal", 'Swiss Cheese', "As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running." Leslie Robertson'.

10) '5 Dancing Israeli's' arrested in 'Mossad Truck Bombs' on 9/11 that stated "We were there to document the event." 'Urban Moving Systems' front company, 'Dominic Suter'. "$498,750 Business loan (June 2001)". "Officer DeCarlo', 'Art Students', 'Israeli Spying'.

11) On September 10th, 2001. Rumsfeld reported $2.3 TRILLION missing from the Pentagon. 'Dov Zakheim' Pentagon Comptroller. Former VP of 'Systems Planning Corporation' (Flight Termination System). Signatore of PNAC document.

12) 220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials question the official story. '9/11 Whistleblowers', 'Patriots for 9/11′. 'Robert Bowman', 'Sibel Edmonds', 'Albert Stubblebine', 'Wesley Clark', 'Mark Dayton', 'Alan Sabrosky', 'Cyntha McKinney', 'Jesse Ventura', 'Kurt Sonnenfeld'. "patriotsquestion911.com"

13) Towers were built to withstand a Boeing jet(s). "I designed it for a 707 to hit it", Leslie Robertson, WTC structural engineer. "Could probably sustain multiple impacts of jetliners", "like a pencil puncturing screen netting" Frank De Martini, deceased Manager of WTC Construction & Project Management. "As far as a plane knocking a building over, that would not happen." Charlie Thornton, Structural Engineer.

14) History of American False Flag attacks. 'USS Liberty', 'Gulf of Tonkin', 'Operation Northwoods', 'OKC Bombing (Murrah Building)', '1993 WTC attacks'. 'Patrick Clawson'. Project for the New American Century (PNAC) needed "a New Pearl Harbor", "Rebuilding America's Defenses". 9/11 Achieved those goals.

15) BBC correspondent Jane Standley reported the collapse of WTC 7 (Soloman Brothers building) 20 minutes before it happened. CNN/FOX/MSNBC also had early reports. 'BBC wtc 7′, 'Jane Standley', Ashleigh Banfield'.

16) "Flight 93″ debris was spread out over many miles. Cheney admits to giving the order to shootdown 93. "shot down the plane over Pennsylvania" Rumsfeld, "nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there" 'Chris Konicki. "Not a drop of blood" Coroner Wallace Miller. "there was no plane." Mayor Ernie Stull.

17) Bush hesitated for 441 days before starting the 911 Commission. 'Jersey Girls'. 'Phil Zelikow' already wrote the outline before the commission began. Steel shipped over seas. Obstruction of justice. JFK and Pearl Harbor commissions were started within 7 days.

18) The 911 commission was given extremely limited funds. $15 million was given to investigate 9/11. (Over $60 Million was spent investigating Clintons' affairs with Monica).

19) Bush said he watched the first plane crash into the North tower on TV before entering the classroom. "The TV was obviously on." Was informed about the second impact while reading 'My Pet Goat' to the children. Remained for at least 8 more minutes while America was under "attack".

20) The PATRIOT ACT was written before 9/11. Signed into law October 26th, 2001.

21) Marvin Bush was director of Stratasec (Securacom, 'KuAm') which was in charge of security of the WTC, United Airlines and Dulles International Airport. All three were breached on 9/11. ICTS was another company that provided security at the airports. 'Wirt Walker', 'Ezra Harel', 'ICTS", 'WTC power downs'.

22) "Who killed John O'Neil?". Former FBI task force agent investigating Al Qaeda/Bin Laden. Transferred by Kroll Corporation to head the security just before 9/11. John O'Neil died in the Towers. 'Jerome Hauer' 'Jules Kroll'.

23) Insider trading based upon foreknowledge. 'Put Options.' Never identified insiders made millions. 'United and American Airlines' 'Raytheon.'

24) At least 7 of the 19 listed highjackers are still alive (BBC). No video footage of 19 highjackers or passengers boarding the 4 planes. Pilots of the 4 planes never squawked the highjacking code. 'Alive highjackers', 'ACARS', 'Pilots for 9/11 Truth'.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 19, 2014, 10:53:06 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 19, 2014, 01:53:33 AM
Hey, Shane I think I need help with comments like this by ScrumdidlEumsous.


He's quote-mining the dictionary. Check it out for yourself. Besides, dictionaries report usage, not define words. All that has to happen for ONE of the definitions to be "the belief that there is no God" is for enough fundies to use it that way.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 19, 2014, 11:09:37 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 19, 2014, 10:53:06 AM
He's quote-mining the dictionary. Check it out for yourself. Besides, dictionaries report usage, not define words. All that has to happen for ONE of the definitions to be "the belief that there is no God" is for enough fundies to use it that way.
I HATE it when people quote mine the dictionary.  That's so dishonest. >.<  That's like, Kent Hovind level of liar when someone does that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 19, 2014, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 19, 2014, 11:09:37 AM
I HATE it when people quote mine the dictionary.  That's so dishonest. >.<  That's like, Kent Hovind level of liar when someone does that.

Quote mining the dictionary is one of the signs of desperation of the creationist, wouldn't you say?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 19, 2014, 11:58:49 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 19, 2014, 11:56:20 AM
Quote mining the dictionary is one of the signs of desperation of the creationist, wouldn't you say?

I've seen statists do it, too. Funny; whenever I think "ONLY a creationist would ever do this," lo and behold, a statist turns around and does it, too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on February 19, 2014, 03:28:43 PM
While I disagree with half of what Chris Hedges writes, the other half I agree with whole-heartedly, as is the case with his recent article (http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/our_sinister_dual_state_20140216). The comments, on the other hand, are a different story. This top one makes me cringe:

QuoteThe U.S. legal system is composed of 90% of the old Roman Laws, why lawyers must know Latin, to protect property. The white slaveholding propertied founding fathers wrote the U.S. Constitution, with it's checks and balances, to protect them against the majority they exploited and allowed no one to vote except white male property owners. Even amongst themselves those who had more property had more freedom/influence. All pigs are equal but some pigs are more equal than others.

The "tightening of the corporate totalitarian noose" is directly related to outsourcing and robotization which weakened and destroyed the labor movement. The height of democracy in the U.S. Republic is directly related to the height of the power of the labor movement between 1945-1970. Even then though the poor and non-whites suffered as they always have and always will under capitalism. The U.S. has always been a place of relative freedom dependent on wealth and race.

We will only keep what freedom we do have by fighting for it and we must always be fighting for more. The "construction of mass movements and alternative centers of power that can mount sustained pressure" is the only way that can be done now as the people have been powerless since the destruction of the labor movement. The government and the courts only answer to the most propertied or the most powerfully organized. But only socialism is based on democracy and only direct democracy in a libertarian socialist system will finally remove all the chains.

Oh boy, where do I begin?

1) The cliche "but the Founders where rich, white slave-owners" arguement, which really is a non-arguement.

2) Neither outsourcing or "robotization" have destroyed jobs. Shane already debunked the "outsourcing" arguement once in a video of his, and "robotization" is the cliche "new technology destroys jobs" arguement, which is nothing short of Ludditism. I guess the automobile destroyed the jobs of horseshoe makers?

3) The correlation-causation fallacy between unions and prosperity. I wish I had evidence to debunk this bogosity, but the fact it is clearly correlation-causation should shoot it down as bunk.

4) "Only socialism is based on democracy and only direct democracy in a libertarian socialist system will finally remove all the chains"? Venezuela and Cuba would like to have a word with you on that. Why "socialism" hasn't died following the fall of the Soviet Union is beyond me.

5) Can someone please educate these morons that capitalism has been the main cause of increased living standards for the past 200 years? Please?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 19, 2014, 03:39:27 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on February 19, 2014, 03:28:43 PM
Quotethe height of the power of the labor movement between 1945-1970.

I don't understand how he gets this, since they saw their greatest gains in the late 19th century and became corporatized in the early 20th Century, especially the Great Depression.

Funny that 1945-1970 is PRECISELY the term of the Bretton-Woods system...

QuoteWhy "socialism" hasn't died following the fall of the Soviet Union is beyond me.

Because that wasn't REAL socialism! (Even though all the socialists were saying it was, and it proves that socialism works and makes people prosper, right up to the point where it collapsed...)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 19, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on February 19, 2014, 09:39:22 AM
http://xposethereal.com/news/24-hard-facts-about-911-that-cannot-be-debunked.html (http://xposethereal.com/news/24-hard-facts-about-911-that-cannot-be-debunked.html)

In 2014, 9/11 Truth is still going strong

OK...these people don't know what they're doing, do they?

[spoiler]
1) outright lie. See Myles Power's series on the matter (if his channel is still around when one reads this): and with the amount of thermite needed, and thousands going into the towers daily, how was it not caught? this would have been all over the news!

2)  irrelevant: numbers alone confer no advantage. (EDIT: sounds way too much like Sun Zi)

3) Myles Power killed that recently. go watch.

4) That only proves Cheney was inept, not that there was a conspiracy.

5) again, irrelevant, and only demonstrates that these people want to cover their ass: the question is "why?" it need not be because there was a conspiracy within Government. The commission still accurately reported what happened on that day, and who did it. what they did hide was the motive behind the attack--and even then, they did so ineptly (though well enough that most people still don't know, or understand).

6) I do not see how the model of planes that rammed the towers must be the same that rammed the Pentagon.

7) while he was wanted before 9/11, it does not follow that 9/11 was done to finger him

8) "explosions" need not be from explosives: high pressure imposed by the collapsing tower will achieve a similar effect: same with flash overs from burning supplies or expanding gases.

9) what type of metal? steel or Aluminum? both were used in building the twin towers. certain Molten plastics will look like molten metal too. as to 21 days? I need a source, though the towers were big buildings, so it is conceivable that they burn without "help"

10) well Isrealis are often (though not universally) sick people: they have to be to do deir yassin. doesn't prove that they did it, or wanted it.

11) All it proves is that the Pentagon is inept at counting money, or of corruption. 2.3 trillion is unnecessary for staging an attack.

12) irrelevant: And once more numbers alone confer no advantage.

13) but the impacts in the event were by a 757. also, they're leaving out that the impacts envisioned were of planes low on fuel, at low cruising speeds, looking for a runway. the planes on 9/11 had full fuel, were at full cruising speed (or more), and were again, 757's. those are bigger than 707's.

14) irrelevant. it does not follow that this one is.

15) need a source. besides, times could be misreported, or you simply suck at calculating time zone differences.

16) well, yeah: big plane, lots of fuel, at near the speed of sound: do the math--literally: kE=0.5mv^2: no wonder there was little left: there was little left of the meteorite that smashed into Chixulub 65.5 million years ago: does it follow that planes shot it down? and just because there was an order, does not mean the plane was shot down. it just means the order was given: the fighters could have been too late you know...

17) again, not relevant to whether there was a conspiracy. It can be argued it was simply due to ineptitude, or to the need to first sort out the wreckage. and I need a source on that anyways, because I was under the impression that the investigation began almost immediately (the commission taking over).

18) tells you how chickenshit the government is....besides, people already figured out who did 9/11: the commission was to flesh it out, and explain how and why it happened.

19) thanks for reminding us that Bush is an idiot.

20) that was because it was proposed repeatedly and shot down in Clinton's second term. again, it doesn't follow that 9/11 was done to allow it to pass. wait on a second, I thought it was to give the government an excuse to finger Bin Laden!

21)  again, it doesn't follow that a failure of power means conspiracy.

22) again, doesn't really prove anything. He may have simply been in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

23) the fact that they are unidentified is alone enough to cast aspersions on the claim: who were they? how did they know? what is the evidence that this even happened?

24) need a source for that: if true, doesn't mean they weren't responsible. Also, who said there were surveillance cameras in the air ports, or that they were always on? And it could be they were in disguise. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 19, 2014, 04:44:18 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 19, 2014, 03:54:00 PM

8) "explosions" need not be from explosives: high pressure imposed by the collapsing tower will achieve a similar effect: same with flash overs from burning supplies or expanding gases.


I'll give you another dandy source of explosions in a collapsing skyscraper: Electrical equipment.

A modern office tower uses so much electricity that it needs a transformer substation at least every few floors to distribute power (running 220 VAC from ground level takes too much wire to be cost effective compared to high-voltage and substations through the building). I've seen a shot tracking down just below the debris cloud of one of the towers while it came down, and it appeared there were regular flashes every second or third floor, just like you'd get from large transformers blowing out as their vaults collapsed.

There's also reports of possible molten metal pouring out of one of the towers shortly before it collapsed, apparently from an area marked "UPS" on the floor plans. An Uninterruptible Power Supply for a large server installation (like you'd get for, say, a large trading house or pretty much anyone else who needs to run high-power analytics on gobs of data really quickly) stores a frightening amount of energy. More than enough to slag the UPS if it fails catastrophically, like in, say, a MASSIVE FIRE.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on February 19, 2014, 05:49:11 PM
More Lunar Lunacy:
http://www.aulis.com/stereoparallax.htm

Is there a segment on parallax?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 19, 2014, 08:33:03 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on February 19, 2014, 05:49:11 PM
More Lunar Lunacy:
http://www.aulis.com/stereoparallax.htm

Is there a segment on parallax?

Note he doesn't do any actual math. Every bit of photogrammetry done on the lunar pictures confirms they're from the moon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 19, 2014, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on February 19, 2014, 04:44:18 PM
I'll give you another dandy source of explosions in a collapsing skyscraper: Electrical equipment.

A modern office tower uses so much electricity that it needs a transformer substation at least every few floors to distribute power (running 220 VAC from ground level takes too much wire to be cost effective compared to high-voltage and substations through the building). I've seen a shot tracking down just below the debris cloud of one of the towers while it came down, and it appeared there were regular flashes every second or third floor, just like you'd get from large transformers blowing out as their vaults collapsed.

There's also reports of possible molten metal pouring out of one of the towers shortly before it collapsed, apparently from an area marked "UPS" on the floor plans. An Uninterruptible Power Supply for a large server installation (like you'd get for, say, a large trading house or pretty much anyone else who needs to run high-power analytics on gobs of data really quickly) stores a frightening amount of energy. More than enough to slag the UPS if it fails catastrophically, like in, say, a MASSIVE FIRE.

the true power of Zeus! :P

OK, jokes aside: yeah, that's another possible source of explosions: it may have been several things happening, leading to multiple explosions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 20, 2014, 02:52:38 AM
The man speaking is easily the dumbest Egyptian I every saw, heard of, or met. ever...

[yt]Lm-B1jBK68A[/yt]

the title of the video is in Egyptian Arabic, and means "a stupid man", and Oh God is that an understatement.

the guy is defending Hosni Mubarak, saying that the guy's "100%", and saying he was the one who lead the Egyptians in the 1973 war destroying all the Jews, and that executing Mubarak would be like executing every Egyptian's father (one of the guys talking to him tells him "dude, he isn't your "father""). he adds further that Mubarak didn't ruin the country but improved it and reformed it, and cites that there was a cartoon during his time that taught kids to be strong*, and that he was responsible for Captain Majid* (a football cartoon), and that it was made in Africa. He then goes off the deep end (which is saying something): he's talking really fast at this point, so I can't catch it all, but it seems he's mentioning something about planes flying and people becoming trouble makers and idlers, among other things


at the end, he reveals he's an engraver (I think: his accent is a bit weird, and he has a heavy lisp), and refuses to give his name. He's also from Cairo apparently...

*an anime cartoon; I think he's referring specifically to Voltron.
*it's what we call Captain Tsubasa--which as you can tell, is Japanese.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on February 20, 2014, 04:33:22 AM
I've already nominated 2 people for BBE/IE.  I feel like I should do the same for this case, but I feel like I should wait till next week.  If anyone else wants to, go ahead.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iATm-5yg-9eSTq06CmlGmx51DcXw?docId=1c7e464d-a33a-45e7-ae91-f7a1e6925bb0

I mean REALLY?  You FUCKING MURDER 77 PEOPLE and you have the chutzpah to complain about not having enough VIDEO GAMES!!?!?!??!?
[spoiler](http://imageshack.us/a/img245/9421/fffffuuuuu.jpg)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 20, 2014, 04:48:40 AM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on February 20, 2014, 04:33:22 AM
I've already nominated 2 people for BBE/IE.  I feel like I should do the same for this case, but I feel like I should wait till next week.  If anyone else wants to, go ahead.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iATm-5yg-9eSTq06CmlGmx51DcXw?docId=1c7e464d-a33a-45e7-ae91-f7a1e6925bb0

I mean REALLY?  You FUCKING MURDER 77 PEOPLE and you have the chutzpah to complain about not having enough VIDEO GAMES!!?!?!??!?
[spoiler](http://imageshack.us/a/img245/9421/fffffuuuuu.jpg)[/spoiler]


let him starve.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 20, 2014, 06:50:32 AM
"Here, enjoy your new video games. By the way, to fit them in the budget, we had to cut back on other items, like food and toilet paper..."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 20, 2014, 12:48:47 PM
 So, this happened.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gdc-awards-to-honor-feminist-frequency-creator-riot-games-founders/1100-6417669/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 20, 2014, 01:03:56 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 20, 2014, 12:48:47 PM
So, this happened.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gdc-awards-to-honor-feminist-frequency-creator-riot-games-founders/1100-6417669/
...I smell a BBE/IE for next week if eligible.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 20, 2014, 02:54:50 PM
From number 2 on this article:  http://www.cracked.com/article_20122_6-ill-advised-marketing-campaigns-that-backfired-hilariously_p2.html

"But the obvious issue is that even people who defend the magazine admit that it's "old school" and a "bro's club," and the attitude of "Why should we change when it's you trying to enter our world?" seems to misunderstand what the whole "gender equality" thing is about."

I call bullshit.  As with video games, you didn't build it up.  You had nothing to do with it for years.  It is a very douche move to barge in and start demanding special treatment in already existing voluntary organizations.  If you really believe you're better than the rest of us, go out and prove it.

(win quote response):  "A man creates, a parasite asks, 'where's my share?'"--Andrew Ryan.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 20, 2014, 02:57:33 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 20, 2014, 06:50:32 AM
"Here, enjoy your new video games. By the way, to fit them in the budget, we had to cut back on other items, like food and toilet paper..."

That's what I find so disgusting about this scumbag atm: bitches about video games when in the grand scheme of things he's lucky he's in norway: where  i'm from he might not make it to the trial: no Arab country punishes murder in anything that can be construed as "humane"--nevermind killing 77 people, mostly children.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 20, 2014, 05:15:08 PM
[yt]957j_T1gA-o[/yt]

The Young Turks need to fuck right off.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 20, 2014, 05:48:38 PM
www.washingtonpost.com/local/college-park-shady-grove-campuses-affected-by-university-of-maryland-security-breach/2014/02/19/ce438108-99bd-11e3-80ac-63a8ba7f7942_story.html

"More than 300,000 personal records for faculty, staff and students who have received identification cards at the University of Maryland were compromised in a computer security breach this week, school officials said.

Brian Voss, vice president and chief information officer at U-Md., said officials think that whoever got into the database duplicated the information, which includes names, Social Security numbers, dates of birth and university identification numbers for 309,079 people affiliated with the school on its College Park and Shady Grove campuses."

Fail because of it even happening.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 21, 2014, 07:59:36 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on February 21, 2014, 11:19:44 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 21, 2014, 07:59:36 PM
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Um whats the fail here?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 22, 2014, 12:49:20 AM
Quote from: Dukect45 on February 21, 2014, 11:19:44 PM
Um whats the fail here?

Alexander violated an order of protection, went to where her husband was staying with the kids, got into an argument, left the house, went into her car, got a firearm and cranked off a round into a wall (not the ground) inside the house where the husband and kids were staying. You can't leave a house that you are not supposed to be in to begin with, grab a firearm, go back into the house you are not supposed to be in, start shooting and claim "SYG". If one is firing a "warning shot" then one is not subject to the use of, or imminent use of, force likely to result in serious physical injury or death and therefore discharging a firearm (using deadly force) is illegal. The discharging of a firearm is considered to be deadly force and the sole place to discharge a firearm if one is being attacked (which Alexander was not) is center of mass and continuing to fire center of mass until there is no longer a threat.

Giles was at a club when a fight broke out. He got sucker punched. Giles fired what he described as a "warning shot". That "warning shot" struck someone. Again as in the Alexander case refer to "warning shot" and why no state in the country considers them to be within the boundaries of the law.

The damn shame of it is Giles is one of the good guys, but he stepped on his dick by telling the cops "warning shot". Once he says that he is stating that deadly force was not justified and got jammed up for it. Had he stated "There was a crowd of aggressors (disparity of force) and someone in this crowd sucker had already punched me in the head (unlawful use of force / assault) and I believed that when this group came running at me (what a 'reasonable person' would believe) they were going to beat me to death (use of force likely to cause serious physical injury or death) so I fired to stop the threat to my life" most likely he would not have been indicted in the first place, much less put on trial.

Zimmerman was admittedly a cop wanna-be. He stuck his nose into something he was obviously totally unprepared to handle. He was getting his ass whooped, had his nose busted, was getting ground pounded and fired a shot to stop the attack. SYG never entered into the trial (by the defense or prosecutor).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 22, 2014, 02:33:34 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 22, 2014, 12:49:20 AM
The discharging of a firearm is considered to be deadly force and the sole place to discharge a firearm if one is being attacked (which Alexander was not) is center of mass and continuing to fire center of mass until there is no longer a threat.

In most jurisdictions, you are allowed to use "equal force", so your not really supposed to use a gun when you're being attacked with a fist. There are exceptions, for example if you happen to be a 100lb woman or kid against a 200lb man with a known history of violence.

Along the same lines, you are only allowed (usually) to use the exact amount of force necessary to stop the threat. So, if you can stop the threat by immobilizing the perp, for example by shooting him in the leg, then going for the kill shot (shooting center mass) is illegal.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 22, 2014, 09:23:12 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 21, 2014, 07:59:36 PM
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Folks, Zimmermann WAS just defending himself in order to save his own life as has been established many freakin' times.  Get over yourselves.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 22, 2014, 11:47:23 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 22, 2014, 09:23:12 AM
Folks, Zimmermann WAS just defending himself in order to save his own life as has been established many freakin' times.  Get over yourselves.
Even if he was an idiot for getting into that situation in the first place.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 22, 2014, 02:34:33 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 22, 2014, 11:47:23 AM
Even if he was an idiot for getting into that situation in the first place.
Maybe, but then, Martin didn't have a right to not be following for his loitering.  Nor did it justify Martin's violent attack on Zimmerman either.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 22, 2014, 11:02:11 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 22, 2014, 02:34:33 PM
Maybe, but then, Martin didn't have a right to not be following for his loitering.  Nor did it justify Martin's violent attack on Zimmerman either.
Well. this was a tragedy between two stupid people.
Zimmerman for getting into a situation he wasn't prepared for and Martin for thinking beating someone near to death was needed for being followed. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 23, 2014, 08:00:46 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 22, 2014, 11:02:11 PM
Well. this was a tragedy between two stupid people.
Zimmerman for getting into a situation he wasn't prepared for and Martin for thinking beating someone near to death was needed for being followed. 

Sorry, I don't really see much cause to blame Zimmerman. He WAS head of the Neighborhood Watch, and that IS what they're supposed to do. How was he supposed to predict that the guy would come after him and start pummeling him?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 23, 2014, 10:41:16 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html
Put here again because Wong put it "updated" on the front page.
#5:  Who told us that?  And what about the princess who was owed a perfect prince?  Why does that get a free pass?
#4:  And women are trained from birth to see men as working mules to support them and forgive their every fault.  Again, why does this get a free pass?
#3:  Considering the sexual standards are a two way street, but aren't treated as such by the whole of society, yeah.
#2:  Considering the institution of marriage today, yeah, we have, yeah.
#1:  Considering the bullshit with divorce laws and laws greatly favoring women over men, again, we have.

That's just from the titles of each item.  Way to use your position as Executive Editor of cracked.com to promote bullshit, Wong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 23, 2014, 10:54:15 AM
Just saw this on Facebook:
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/1780720_10152232838089255_1941562191_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 23, 2014, 11:49:23 AM
Notice how they didn't put Obama's approval rating on that list...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 23, 2014, 12:05:58 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 23, 2014, 11:49:23 AM
Notice how they didn't put Obama's approval rating on that list...

Of course they wouldn't put that on there. As far as they're concerned that approval rating is because evil racist Republicans (which would be considered redundant according to them) used horrible brainwashing techniques to confuse the American people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 23, 2014, 12:46:08 PM
(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1897762_715154935238879_1537697333_n.jpg)

Conflating voluntary charity with forced, violent, coercive "redistribution"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 23, 2014, 04:21:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 23, 2014, 08:00:46 AM
Sorry, I don't really see much cause to blame Zimmerman. He WAS head of the Neighborhood Watch, and that IS what they're supposed to do. How was he supposed to predict that the guy would come after him and start pummeling him?

Not blaming him. Just saying it was stupid to go by himself.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 23, 2014, 04:46:31 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 23, 2014, 05:58:43 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 23, 2014, 04:46:31 PM
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/1622185_10151939384941674_1058809203_n.jpg)

And the post-WWII tax and spending cuts and the Bretton Woods system had absolutely nothing to do with it...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 23, 2014, 07:53:57 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 23, 2014, 05:58:43 PM
And the post-WWII tax and spending cuts and the Bretton Woods system had absolutely nothing to do with it...
IIRC, government was less than 1/5th of the size it is today.  Also, considering we've had nothing but more of their beloved progressive policies since, doesn't that mean THEY'RE the ones who failed?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 24, 2014, 03:49:09 PM
From the comments on this recent video of Shane's:

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Comes this gem from CaseAgainstFaith1 we get this gem:

QuoteAs far as caps, well, you do realize that if they had to be capable of giving you full speed 24x7, it would require more bandwidth than exists, right?  If they were to have to give you full speed 24x7, they would have to cap your max speed instead.

Second fail first:  ALL internet services are ALREADY speed capped, either by the nature of the connection hardware only having so much throughput (like any T# line, for example) or at some lower speed arbitrarily.

Bigger, first fail: There's more bandwidth available than anyone has any idea what to do with, left over from the tech bubble of the 90's. There were companies laying fiber to justify stock issues to pay for laying more fiber. (I even got my first tech job as a direct result of that fiber-laying binge when a side effect of one of those operations made my job at the time such a hell that working in an outsourced call center was preferable to keeping it.) On top of that, I happened to work (at that first tech job) with a guy who was on the team that developed the never-marketed OC-256 fiber hardware (the intended successor to the then-current top-of-the-line OC-192 fiber hardware). It wasn't put on the market because the company realized that there was no market at the time for a device that squeezed one third more capacity out of existing fibers when 90%+ fibers in existence were dark. (Since then, the far more capacious OC-768 hardware has come online, but that didn't happen until years after the tech crash. It still doesn't affect the huge amount of dark fiber in existence in most places, it just means it's cheaper to install one OC-768 link than the four OC-192 links it can replace.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 24, 2014, 04:47:24 PM
Not to mention that caps are completely the wrong remedy, since bandwidth crunches are a moment-by-moment thing and don't have anything at all to do with what's happened the previous month. (And notice that they don't actually cut you off anyway, just charge you more money and possibly slow you down even more.)

No, this is something the internet was already built to handle. It's a non-issue, and caps have nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 24, 2014, 06:30:18 PM
Plus, I would imagine the speed at any particular moment would be limited to the fastest speed of the slowest modem involved in any specific interchange. For example, if the company hosting the information you want has a 256k modem, your 30g connection isn't going to make it any faster than 256k.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 24, 2014, 06:44:43 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on February 24, 2014, 06:30:18 PM
Plus, I would imagine the speed at any particular moment would be limited to the fastest speed of the slowest modem involved in any specific interchange. For example, if the company hosting the information you want has a 256k modem, your 30g connection isn't going to make it any faster than 256k.

It's really the routers you're concerned about. If both you and the server allow 30Gbps connections, but there's one slow router in the middle running at 512Mbps, then that's the speed you're transferring. Routers are supposed to select other routes if this happens, but 1) they don't always know and 2) they tend to choose the same route for all packets on one TCP connection.

This is why download managers like DownloadThemAll! work so well, even though people towards the bottom of the Dunning-Kruger curve (and even people who should know better) insist it won't make a difference. Since they're making multiple TCP connections, the packets take different routes and so it should be the maximum that the client and server can handle.

This is why UDP is being used more and more, especially for streaming video. Google is also choosing it for its new QUIC protocol. Since it's more important for the packets to get there quickly, and UDP is connectionless, each packet is free to take its own route. This also takes care of round-trip slowdowns due to low latency.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 24, 2014, 10:30:00 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 24, 2014, 06:44:43 PM
It's really the routers you're concerned about. If both you and the server allow 30Gbps connections, but there's one slow router in the middle running at 512Mbps, then that's the speed you're transferring. Routers are supposed to select other routes if this happens, but 1) they don't always know and 2) they tend to choose the same route for all packets on one TCP connection.

This is why download managers like DownloadThemAll! work so well, even though people towards the bottom of the Dunning-Kruger curve (and even people who should know better) insist it won't make a difference. Since they're making multiple TCP connections, the packets take different routes and so it should be the maximum that the client and server can handle.

This is why UDP is being used more and more, especially for streaming video. Google is also choosing it for its new QUIC protocol. Since it's more important for the packets to get there quickly, and UDP is connectionless, each packet is free to take its own route. This also takes care of round-trip slowdowns due to low latency.

Wow, this is way over my head.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on February 24, 2014, 10:30:26 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on February 25, 2014, 12:22:17 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on February 24, 2014, 10:30:26 PM
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If socialism works so well, then why did all the former Soviet countries abandon it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 25, 2014, 05:33:06 AM
So Guy Chi the voice of James from Silent Hill 2 just posted this facebook comment on someone's page who shared this.
http://themetapicture.com/angry-scientist-finds-uneducated-internet-comment-and-delivers-badass-response/

QuoteThe angry scientist is arguing on behalf of his employers. All pro vaccination arguments are based on statistical lies. Vaccines provide no statistical benefits to mankind. Vaccines are a boondoggle for drug makers as they create lifelong sick people that must be cared for with ever more drugs. Those are the statistical facts. Research it for yourself.

Too which someone responded with.
QuoteActually Guy, I'd suggest you leave the research to the trained professionals. Armchair Google searches aren't enough to compete with a decades of of professional education, training and experience.

Alternatively, we can move all the vaccination luddites to an isolated island where they can enjoy being unvaccinated, along with a range of associated diseases, without endangering the rest of us.

Guy responded with.
QuoteHi James Clark, I believe I have something to say on this subject. I co-founded Endeavour. http://www.endeavour.edu.au/about-us/the-college/

Were you aware that there are effective alternatives to petro-chemical vaccines? Unlike petro-chemical vaccines which have never been put into actual long-term testing, natural vaccines have been proven effective through long-term studies. Here is a link to information about the research if your interest in this subject is sincere.
http://www.homstudy.net/Research/

God damn it. Why do people I think are cool have be completely crazy sometimes?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 25, 2014, 07:43:43 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on February 24, 2014, 10:30:26 PM
(https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1489215_10152246490348028_208186015_n.jpg)
Funny how it's actually closer to the other way around...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 25, 2014, 07:58:24 AM
In the comments of Shane's Part 10 series of Atheism & Libertarianism,

Quote from: eagleeye1975Define your terms.  What do you mean by climate change?  What do you mean by "man made"?

I specifically used the words I used, for a very specific purpose.  People are CONSTANTLY changing the terms used to obfuscate the issue.  The entire debate is multi-layered, and people who deny the upper layers are constantly being accused of denying the lower ones in an attempt to discredit them and dismiss them.

Certainly mankind has an impact on the environment we live in.  All animals impact their environments.  Bears shitting in the woods contributes to bear-caused fecal forest buildup.

But I said CATASTROPHIC for a reason.  The assertion is that we not only impact our environment, but we impact it in an EXTREME way, such that it will cause EXTREME problem, and for that to be prevented, we must do EXTREME things to our cultures and economies.

Man contributes to climate change.  I grant you that.  That's a non-starter.  Your statement, in essence, is like me saying "drowning is bad" and you saying "water makes you wet".  Gee, tell me something I didn't already know... how about next time, you contribute something insightful to the discussion.

After all, what is your argument here?  Are you saying that the man-caused climate change (which is a fact) is a BAD thing?  Are you saying it's something we must act to mitigate?

So........ you got nothing, Tommy?

This guy being his usual douchey self.  This was all for simply being told that, "Man made climate change is a fact." by Tommy Long--which it IS.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 25, 2014, 09:45:20 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on February 24, 2014, 10:30:26 PM
(https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1489215_10152246490348028_208186015_n.jpg)

Nice how cultists can ignore the backstories that go with their images, isn't it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 25, 2014, 12:14:13 PM
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-february-24-2014/denunciation-proclamation
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on February 25, 2014, 01:04:21 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 25, 2014, 12:14:13 PM
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-february-24-2014/denunciation-proclamation
Liberals say that war is bad... except when they're waging war against something they don't like. When that happens, they throw out all common sense and declare that the ends justify the means.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 25, 2014, 02:50:22 PM
I'm really hating this Arizona anti bill because its forcing me to defend asshole businesses.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 26, 2014, 02:50:42 AM
More tired Net Neutrality garbage: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/25/5431382/the-internet-is-fucked
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 26, 2014, 07:44:44 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 25, 2014, 07:58:24 AM
In the comments of Shane's Part 10 series of Atheism & Libertarianism,

This guy being his usual douchey self.  This was all for simply being told that, "Man made climate change is a fact." by Tommy Long--which it IS.

He's kinda right in it's a fact that's far too vague to be of any real use.

I just don't know, I can't see the whole climate change thing as anything but "Just ANOTHER government program."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 26, 2014, 09:22:00 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on February 26, 2014, 07:44:44 AM
He's kinda right in it's a fact that's far too vague to be of any real use.

I just don't know, I can't see the whole climate change thing as anything but "Just ANOTHER government program."
>>Far too vague
What's far too vague?  I'm sorry, but I'm just tired of the bullshit from the denialists AND alarmists alike.  Especially when what science I HAVE been presented supports neither.  For example, Shane pointing out that according to the actual scientists, the *benefits* of the planet warming will be offset by the costs by around 2040 (IIRC).

As for his comment, still douchey imho.  He could have just said, "I said 'catatrophic' manmade climate change not any/all manmade climate change and left it at that."  I'm still remembering him setting even Jacob Spinney off with his asshole and anti-anarchist bullshit, and even acting like a brick wall that back-sasses when you tried dealing with him.  He's like Blackacidlizzard (sp?).  One of these assholes who thinks he's WAY smarter than he actually is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 26, 2014, 10:11:09 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/oddnews/man-blows-0-00-on-breathalyzer--gets-arrested-for-dwi-003450614.html
Fail for the actions of the police.  Good lord guys.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on February 26, 2014, 01:14:58 PM
So, why does one Jacksonville city councilman feel the need to outlaw the city's thriving food truck industry?

QuoteBrown said he wanted better clarification after seeing one business sell food out of a single axle trailer without a city license.

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=542333 (http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=542333)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on February 26, 2014, 04:30:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/sw2tTXP.jpg)

Yet another sad testament to our failing school system: people not being able to differentiate between capitalism and fascism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 26, 2014, 08:43:54 PM
Now, I tried to like this guy on DA for posting this (not a fail):  zucca-xerfantes.deviantart.com/journal/ObamaCare-now-has-a-death-toll-436429663
But after seeing this shitstain in his favorites:  http://zucca-xerfantes.deviantart.com/art/Pseudo-scientific-comparison-425851049
I figured him to be just another conservatard.  If Romney was elected and pulling this crap like he did as Governor of his state, this pillock would be looking the other way and roaring for more support of his wars.  Just like they did with Bush.  Because as we all know, it only counts when the other side does it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 27, 2014, 03:20:39 AM
In a discussion group on Facebook that i'm a part of.


QuoteAncient Greeks would feel insulted if they knew we were comparing them to Americans. One key thing, idiots, otherwise apolitical or indifferent people in athens weren't given right to vote,most importantly, slaves didn't have right to vote. American model is a britney spears type democracy, its a monocracy or slavocracy in other words. in such a system shit like capitalism flourishes and no wonder, sick + sick = great lol
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 27, 2014, 03:47:06 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 27, 2014, 03:53:44 PM
Quote from: D on February 27, 2014, 03:47:06 PM
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The Constitution is not meant for us, you moron!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 27, 2014, 05:50:17 PM
So, since the Constitution hasn't been changed to allow the Federal government to do things like drone strikes, NSA spying, health care, and the War on Drugs, Congress should be governed by it and "basically consent" to it? Great! Glad we agree!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on February 28, 2014, 11:41:30 AM
http://www.policymic.com/articles/81925/these-5-lies-were-broadcast-to-millions-of-people (http://www.policymic.com/articles/81925/these-5-lies-were-broadcast-to-millions-of-people)

Quote5. Trickle-down economics works

Not too many jobs are being created these days, even though corporate profits are at record heights. Perhaps the most widely accepted (even by Democrats) of the lies right-wing media have perpetuated is that we all prosper when the rich get richer.

Fewer taxes for corporations and individuals, along with lax market oversight, have entrenched us in the worst economic slump since the Great Depression. Research from Mark Rank at Washington University indicates 54% of Americans will experience poverty or near poverty in their lifetimes.

Those high "corporate profits" haven't exactly been deturred with all of the corporate bailouts the Fed has been handing out in gratis (with most of them having been handed out in secret by the trillions!). If the article were merely about cutting corporate welfare like that, I would agree with them, but they have to add the bogons "fewer taxes for corporations" and "lax market oversight"--both of which fly in the face of observable reality! Not only does America have the highest corporate tax rate in the world (http://taxfoundation.org/blog/another-study-confirms-us-has-one-highest-effective-corporate-tax-rates-world), but contrary to popular misconeption, federal regulations have been on the sharp increase (http://cei.org/studies/ten-thousand-commandments-2013)!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on February 28, 2014, 12:17:33 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/cpac-2014-american-atheists-103917.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/cpac-2014-american-atheists-103917.html)

I'm going to call bluff on American Atheists here. This seems more like a publicity stunt than an actual attempt to bring atheists into conservatism. I understand that many atheists are conservatives, but I highly doubt any of the atheists at AA are of that political bent. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't David Silverman a Democrat? If that's the case, then CPAC did not oppose his group for being atheist, they opposed it for being liberal!

Then again, the only good thing about CPAC is Ron and Rand Paul (whom have consistently won the staw polls each year!) Other than that, it's a neocon circus tent.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 28, 2014, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on February 28, 2014, 12:17:33 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/cpac-2014-american-atheists-103917.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/cpac-2014-american-atheists-103917.html)

I'm going to call bluff on American Atheists here. This seems more like a publicity stunt than an actual attempt to bring atheists into conservatism. I understand that many atheists are conservatives, but I highly doubt any of the atheists at AA are of that political bent. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't David Silverman a Democrat? If that's the case, then CPAC did not oppose his group for being atheist, they opposed it for being liberal!

Then again, the only good thing about CPAC is Ron and Rand Paul (whom have consistently won the staw polls each year!) Other than that, it's a neocon circus tent.

That's not what's said in the article:

QuoteWhen CPAC spoke to Silverman about this "divisive and inappropriate language," Snyder said, "he pledged that he will attack the very idea that Christianity is an important element of conservatism."

"People of any faith tradition should not be attacked for their beliefs, especially at our conference. He has left us with no choice but to return his money," she said.

So simply saying "You don't need to be a Christian to be a conservative" is, according to Meghan Snyder, attacking people "for their beliefs."

And then there's bullshit like this:

QuoteBut revoking American Atheists' booth wasn't enough to appease some conservative groups angered by the invitation itself.

Media Research Center President Brent Bozell said that revoking the booth "makes no difference" and is urging all conservative groups to withdraw entirely from CPAC.

"American Atheists is an organization devoted to the hatred of God. How on earth could CPAC, or the ACU and its board of directors, and Al Cardenas condone such an atrocity?" Bozell said in a statement.

Sounds to me like it's not AA that has the problem!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 28, 2014, 12:40:05 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on February 28, 2014, 12:17:33 PMI understand that many atheists are conservatives
I know a HUGE amount of liberal atheists, I know a bunch of libertarianism and anarcho capitalist atheists, but the only 'atheist conservative' I ever knew was CapnOAwesome on YouTube before he closed his account, and even then, he leaned more towards libertarianism.

Quote from: BlameThe1st on February 28, 2014, 12:17:33 PM
Then again, the only good thing about CPAC is Ron and Rand Paul (whom have consistently won the staw polls each year!) Other than that, it's a neocon circus tent.
Rand Paul has long since betrayed libertarians, so I don't know what you mean there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 01, 2014, 07:57:27 AM
http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/daibhidh-anarcho-hucksters-there-is-nothing-anarchistic-about-capitalism
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 01, 2014, 08:11:40 AM
Quote from: tnu on March 01, 2014, 07:57:27 AM
http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/daibhidh-anarcho-hucksters-there-is-nothing-anarchistic-about-capitalism

Yet another reason why I don't call myself an anarchist...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 01, 2014, 08:17:59 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 01, 2014, 08:11:40 AM
Yet another reason why I don't call myself an anarchist...
It's also why I call myself an anarcho capitalist.  To differentiate between these fucktards.  The logic (as proven by Stefan and Hawkeye and no doubt others) is that anarchism is but a logical consequence/conclusion of capitalism--free trade without interference/force from uninvolved outside parties.  Simple.  Would it kill these guys to learn how to check a dictionary?  And yeah, these are also the same idiots who say "You libertarians stole that word from us; it used to mean anarcho communist!" and use oxymorons like "libertarian socialist" to describe themselves.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 01, 2014, 08:50:49 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 01, 2014, 08:17:59 AM
It's also why I call myself an anarcho capitalist.  To differentiate between these fucktards.  The logic (as proven by Stefan and Hawkeye and no doubt others) is that anarchism is but a logical consequence/conclusion of capitalism--free trade without interference/force from uninvolved outside parties.  Simple.  Would it kill these guys to learn how to check a dictionary?  And yeah, these are also the same idiots who say "You libertarians stole that word from us; it used to mean anarcho communist!" and use oxymorons like "libertarianism socialist" to describe themselves.

That's just it: basically this guy says that anarchism means "without rulers" (which it does), but then he goes on about how we shouldn't have free and voluntary exchange! Well, HOW'S HE GOING TO STOP IT??? Doesn't he need rulers to do that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 01, 2014, 10:44:07 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 01, 2014, 08:50:49 AM
That's just it: basically this guy says that anarchism means "without rulers" (which it does), but then he goes on about how we shouldn't have free and voluntary exchange! Well, HOW'S HE GOING TO STOP IT??? Doesn't he need rulers to do that?
It's like Hawkeye (and I) have said about a thousand times.  If people are engaging in voluntary transactions with no initiation of force/fraud involved (e.g. working for a mutually agreed upon wage in exchange for labor) but it's something they personally disapprove of, are they going to stop them?  By force if necessary?  If so, congratulations, they just invented government.  As they would be ruling over them by forcing them not to have voluntary transactions (How this is different from enforcing a law from a full-on government is semantic bickering at best, distraction and dishonest at worst).

Hence why the so-called 'anarcho'-communist parts of Spain during their Civil War in the 1930s were so statist--for one example, they decreed the death penalty for the use of money.  WTF you guys.  It was just a state by any other name.  You can call a dog a cat, but that won't make it 'meow' as I think a family member of yours once said.

As me and Hawkeye and many others have also said, if they want to start up a commune/communist place themselves, we are totally fine with that; so long as everyone voluntarily consents to it, we don't have a problem nor would we try to stop them (though we might try to voluntarily convince them otherwise using economic arguments and examples like Plymouth Plantation).  This is the thing that blow everyone's minds.  If you want to subjugate yourself before some holy authority, well, in a truly free society you ARE free to do that.  It's only when you try to force others into it that we have a problem.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 01, 2014, 02:45:49 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/28/bitcoin-user-demographics-libertarian-men_n_4874727.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 01, 2014, 02:59:24 PM
Quote from: tnu on March 01, 2014, 02:45:49 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/28/bitcoin-user-demographics-libertarian-men_n_4874727.html
>>Rich white male disaster
Really, Huffingtonpost?  You're going there?  The race-card--what's in YOUR wallet?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 01, 2014, 03:09:20 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2014, 07:13:35 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_18549_8-health-foods-that-are-bad-your-health.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_18965_5-weight-loss-tips-cynical-bastards.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_19130_6-fitness-tips-everyones-heard-that-dont-work-at-all.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_19296_6-lies-about-human-body-you-learned-in-kindergarten.html
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-8-people-who-will-ruin-your-attempt-to-lose-weight/
http://www.cracked.com/article_20217_5-well-known-tips-healthy-eating-that-dont-work.html
http://www.realsimple.com/health/nutrition-diet/weight-loss/busting-10-diet-myths-10000001700385/index.html

All of the above are win articles on the subjects of health and the human body.
The only exception that really sticks out for me is #4 in the first/top article I linked.  I don't buy that about fish.  Especially in light of the meta study www.YouTube/user/ThatGuyFromAustria linked to in one of his anti-vegan videos which showed that in terms of lifespan from longest to shortest:

1) People who eat fish, but not meat
2) Vegetarians
3) people who eat fish and meat
4) Vegans

Then you have the Japanese who tend to eat lots of fish yet last I checked aren't in the midst of a population wide metallic poisoning crisis, are generally healthy, and live long too.  So it's more of a matter of "unhealthy compared to what?"

To add to this, the bit about artificial sweeteners (in both articles with it) I found debunked by this (not fail):  http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/artificial-sweeteners-bitter-controversy/

And I checked Christina's Source for the bit on fish.  The main source?  The EPA.  Seriously?  The same EPA that is one of the worst polluters of all is supposed to tell me how to be free of toxins?  Does anyone *not* see how that is "taking financial advice from a hobo" levels of dumb?  The guidelines they give (no more than 12 oz. of fish like Salmon and Tuna per week) raises a few red flags with me.  First, if the stuff does bio-acclumulate, why would that matter?  Wouldn't you still get more of it and be worse off in time regardless of that limit?  Her other source?  Yahoo.shine.  Yeah.  I didn't even dignify that one by reading it.

I should note that this is the same limit my nutritionist suggested for me in terms of fish.  I pointed out the Inuit and others eat almost nothing but fish and (last I checked) aren't all dead from Hg poisoning, and pointed out the above meta-study regarding health of people who eat fish being better (or at least living longer) than the rest of them.  She blew both off and said, "it's because of coal/oil tankers dripping/spilling coal/oil in the ocean.  Even their fish and waters are effected."  Which still didn't address my need for empirical evidence.  Until I see a study (or at least newspaper article) showing that the Japanese or Inuit or any other population eating huge amounts of fish are suffering population-wide Hg poisoning, I will take all that with a grain of salt.
Similar reasoning with eggs and the Japanese as well.  I'll wait until I see that on those foods before I take those warning seriously.  Until then:

*chugs back two 4 oz. cans worth of sardines and 6 eggs* #YOLO
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 01, 2014, 04:59:11 PM
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1796591_365975513540285_1035381101_n.jpg)

Also, is it just me or does one of these signs seemto actually make an argument AGAINST taxation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 01, 2014, 05:24:15 PM
Quote from: tnu on March 01, 2014, 04:59:11 PM
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1796591_365975513540285_1035381101_n.jpg)

Also, is it just me or does one of these signs seemto actually make an argument AGAINST taxation.

So without government we will just be bumbling idiots? 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 01, 2014, 05:45:52 PM
Quote from: tnu on March 01, 2014, 04:59:11 PM
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1796591_365975513540285_1035381101_n.jpg)

Also, is it just me or does one of these signs seemto actually make an argument AGAINST taxation.

-No, Roads don't pave themselves. but why must Government do it?
-I did not consent to the deal: adults should not be forced to hand over shit to others. That is the job of children and slaves.
-I'm largely anti-war: I don't want to pay for some jag-off in the white house to play "game of drones" with my people, or while we're at it, any people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 01, 2014, 05:50:43 PM
Government doesn't even pave the roads--they hire private companies to do it!

The argument that there's no other way to fund a war is another reason to END taxes!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 01, 2014, 08:52:37 PM
(http://i57.tinypic.com/34tcrcw.png)

Not going to conceal names toprotectt he Stupid. I will let this haunthimt o the end of his days.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 01, 2014, 08:55:41 PM
Quote from: tnu on March 01, 2014, 08:52:37 PM
(http://i57.tinypic.com/34tcrcw.png)

Not going to conceal names toprotectt he Stupid. I will let this haunthimt o the end of his days.

It's too small to read
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on March 01, 2014, 09:15:03 PM
Filies and gentlecoats, I present to you the dumbest SJW post on Tumblr (http://the-unpopular-opinions.tumblr.com/post/78155018991/drinking-milk-is-unnatural-and-our-lactonormative):

(http://i.imgur.com/JEwpAW0.jpg)

"Drinking milk is white privilege"? With stupidity like that, who needs satire? Reality is stranger than fiction!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 01, 2014, 09:28:57 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 01, 2014, 09:15:03 PM
Filies and gentlecoats, I present to you the dumbest SJW post on Tumblr (http://the-unpopular-opinions.tumblr.com/post/78155018991/drinking-milk-is-unnatural-and-our-lactonormative):

(http://i.imgur.com/JEwpAW0.jpg)

"Drinking milk is white privilege"? With stupidity like that, who needs satire? Reality is stranger than fiction!
The funny thing is I'm lactose intolerant.  He does know that most dairy doesn't contain lactose?  Cheese, ice cream, yogurt, kefir, etc, are all devout of the stuff, OP, stop believing everything you see on TV, and on Tumblr, damnit!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 01, 2014, 09:35:17 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 01, 2014, 09:15:03 PM
Filies and gentlecoats, I present to you the dumbest SJW post on Tumblr (http://the-unpopular-opinions.tumblr.com/post/78155018991/drinking-milk-is-unnatural-and-our-lactonormative):

(http://i.imgur.com/JEwpAW0.jpg)

"Drinking milk is white privilege"? With stupidity like that, who needs satire? Reality is stranger than fiction!

As a white dude that doesn't drink milk, I think this might be the single most idiotic thing I've ever seen.

For real, Shane, you might want to consider locking this thread because we're not topping this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 01, 2014, 10:11:46 PM
Quote from: D on March 01, 2014, 09:35:17 PM
As a white dude that doesn't drink milk, I think this might be the single most idiotic thing I've ever seen.

For real, Shane, you might want to consider locking this thread because we're not topping this.

And I'm not white and I drink milk. What does that make me?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 01, 2014, 10:22:35 PM
Skm I think that makes you a race traitor or whatever the term is. anw ya I'mw hite nad I only drink chocolate milk so I guess that's white guilt?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 01, 2014, 10:59:40 PM
Quote from: tnu on March 01, 2014, 10:22:35 PM
Skm I think that makes you a race traitor or whatever the term is. anw ya I'mw hite nad I only drink chocolate milk so I guess that's white guilt?

I mostly drink strawberry milk and I'm white. So what I'm i guilty of?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 01, 2014, 11:09:00 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 01, 2014, 10:59:40 PM
I mostly drink strawberry milk and I'm white. So what I'm i guilty of?

Communism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2014, 08:07:09 AM
Quote from: D on March 01, 2014, 11:09:00 PM
Communism.
You just made my day with this post.

Also, No! Don't close/lock this thread! It cannot die! :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 02, 2014, 08:48:43 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 01, 2014, 09:15:03 PM
Filies and gentlecoats, I present to you the dumbest SJW post on Tumblr (http://the-unpopular-opinions.tumblr.com/post/78155018991/drinking-milk-is-unnatural-and-our-lactonormative):

(http://i.imgur.com/JEwpAW0.jpg)

"Drinking milk is white privilege"? With stupidity like that, who needs satire? Reality is stranger than fiction!

Am I the only one bothered by the obvious race-purity behind this? That mutations are bad and we need to keep our genetics pure?

Our ancestors did LOTS of mutating: lactose tolerance, CCR5-Δ32, extended color vision, HbC...and it's all while they were doing this little thing called "evolving!"

With just a little prodding, these guys could become racial cleansers if they're not already!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2014, 09:31:06 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 02, 2014, 08:48:43 AM
Am I the only one bothered by the obvious race-purity behind this? That mutations are bad and we need to keep our genetics pure?

Our ancestors did LOTS of mutating: lactose tolerance, CCR5-Δ32, extended color vision, HbC...and it's all while they were doing this little thing called "evolving!"

With just a little prodding, these guys could become racial cleansers if they're not already!
I know right?  Not to mention the whole "Unnatural" argument reeks of a fundamentalist Christian saying, "HOMOSEXUALITY IS UNNATURAL!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2014, 11:32:17 AM
So not quite as horrifyingly stupid and disgusting (I think?) as the milk = white privilege from the SJW fucktards above, but still kind of annoying to see this from someone on Disqus:

Some background, he's referring to this article:  http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/20/news/economy/obamacare-penalty/
"God, what a stupid article.

'Though subsidies are available to those earning less than 400% of the poverty level, the premiums are still too high for many Americans.'

And those people earning more than 400% of the poverty level are getting medical insurance through their EMPLOYER, making "Obamacare" moot."--Thomas K Dye, http://disqus.com/ThomasKDye/

EDIT:  So after spending some time trying to find the thread with Tom's comment, it seems the other comments on that article are even worse.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2014, 12:35:31 PM
"+eagleeye1975
He's also only making an assertion about another dubious assertion. Science has yet to understand the phsyics of the earth's volatile electro-magnetic field that impacts all atmosphere, climate & weather, let alone, having a clue as to how to manipulate it. Tommy is probably the spittin' image of Shane's devil's advocate in the vid."--BrotherWoody1 talking to eagleeye1975, about Tommy.

Let's see:  bullshit as global warming has been proven, just not the alarmist crap as I've pointed out above, appeal to complication and non-sequitor, and even baseless character assassination of a person who IS a libertarian and, last I checked, a full on anarcho-capitalist!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 02, 2014, 01:11:05 PM
(http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/funny-Steve-Stockman-Congressman-bumper-sticker-babies.jpg)

...and no one would ever dare get pregnant.

No, seriously.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on March 02, 2014, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on March 02, 2014, 01:11:05 PM
(http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/funny-Steve-Stockman-Congressman-bumper-sticker-babies.jpg)

...and no one would ever dare get pregnant.

No, seriously.

[yt]14IejPfGKUM[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 02, 2014, 01:31:56 PM
QuoteAlso, you don't know what corporatism is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

What you're referring to as "corporatism" is corporatocracy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy

Neither of which is a separate system from Capitalism. Corporatism is a justification for division of labor. Corporatocracy is the natural result of the centralization of wealth in a market economy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2014, 02:00:41 PM
Quote from: tnu on March 02, 2014, 01:31:56 PM
[Insert the quoted bogosity here.]
Really OP?  Wikipedia?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2014, 02:03:42 PM
"Though I will say, there are always technicalities to every rule. for example, they have proven that if you are eating like an anorexic pidgeon then your body will go into 'hibernation mode', where it will attempt to store all the possible fat and energy it can, and using as little as it can in every day use. Hence why you should always eat as close to possible the recommended dietary intake for your energy needs, otherwise you wont loose anything. Ive been told this from several professional sources [doctors, chiropractors, dietary professionals, etc] so its not a defiance of physics but a fact of science."--Aldark here:  http://travis-retriever.deviantart.com/journal/Lost-23-pounds-side-effects-and-future-goals-437451121#comments

My response:  "'[T]here are always technicalities to every rule.'  Including that rule? And nope, sorry, it really is that simple.  The only reasons that might be the case at all would be:  1) You might become a tad less energetic and therefore move around less, thus burning overall fewer Calories.  2) Food has a thermic effect (especially protein) so when you are, say, fasting, you won't burn as many Calories because it takes energy (Calories) to digest/transport/store the nutrients in food.  Appeal to authority is not an argument.  The Calorie burning calculators I've seen pretty much just use your weight, height, sex, age and activity level to determine the amount of Calories you burn a day, because absent evidence otherwise, it's all that's all that's relevant.  As I said, your body cannot violate the laws of physics just to spite you.

Would it kill him to link me to a controlled, long term, and well designed study that supposedly "proves" this?  Like I always say folks, your body cannot violate the laws of physics just to spite you.  Stop making excuses and learn to eat less and exercise more; and stop enabling those who don't with this kind of bullshit, damnit!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 02, 2014, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2014, 02:00:41 PM
Really OP?  Wikipedia?

What makes it even better is that when I pointout that Wkipedia recognizes anarcho-captialism as a formo f anarchism he brushes it off by saying "Wikipedia isn't always accurate"


but it gets better. he asks me what I would do were I a capitalist and I could make a significent ammount of money with minimal risk by using violence against somebody. I told himI wouldn't for ethical and practical reasons andhe comes back with This bullshit.


No, It's a Trick Question.

It doesn't matter what you do. It doesn't matter what you choose. It doesn't matter that you personally won't use violence.

Why? because society is more than just you. If there's a chance to make more profit and you don't take it someone else will, and as under capitalism profit translates into social and political power, those who do well in a capitalist marketplace will naturally draw power, both legitimate and illegitimate to themselves.

QuoteIf you don't then USE that power to make sure that your business succeeds where all others fail (whether it deserves to or not) you will be out-competed and replaced by another, less-scrupulous capitalist who WILL.

It's like natural selection, if instead of "survival of the sexiest" the criteria was set for "Biggest, cleverest, most amoral douchebag."

QuoteAnd there's nothing you can do to stop it or change it.

That's the reality of a free market. That's Capitalism, and more, that's how the Nation-State develops - and to a certain extent that is how every State in history has developed. It's one of the cliche's of economics. There is NO reason to think that anarcho-capitalism will be any different.

It's like we've all been playing a board game so long that the winners are already decided. AnCaps are arguing we rest the game and play a new game because they're hoping that THIS time they'll be the winners.

Except no, you won't because largely, AnCaps are really bad at capitalism - specifically because you guys romanticize and fetishize it too much and that keeps you from having an accurate view of the best way to play.

The answer is not to reshuffle the cards and set everyone back to square one - the answer is to break the board and leave the room because that game sucks and we should all quit playing it and do something else instead.

any takers. I really don'tf eellike respondingto this wall of text.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2014, 02:42:14 PM
Quote from: tnu on March 02, 2014, 02:30:42 PM
any takers. I really don'tf eellike respondingto this wall of text.
It would help if you posted a link so we could find the conversation. :P  If it's on Facebook, I'm not there and won't be able to help.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 02, 2014, 02:46:07 PM
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=446498275482925&id=422264631239623&comment_id=2529046&reply_comment_id=2530443&offset=0&total_comments=225&ref=notif&notif_t=feed_comment
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 02, 2014, 04:11:47 PM
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/doctor-dont-adhd-one/
any fail in this?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 02, 2014, 05:01:33 PM
Maybe there's overdiagnosis, maybe some physicians are too quick to prescribe medication, but there is an actual effect with ADHD. There are just too many predictors. People with ADHD correlate with lower overall brain size, a proportionally smaller prefrontal cortex, overstimulation of the frontal lobe, and many other factors. Also, stimulants restore the brain stimulation to more normal levels.

It may be overblown, but there's a there there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2014, 06:29:55 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-8-stupidest-defenses-against-accusations-sexism/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 02, 2014, 07:56:51 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2014, 06:29:55 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-8-stupidest-defenses-against-accusations-sexism/

Um, am I right? Did they start right off by saying responding by using the other person's sexual life is bad and then spend pretty much the rest of the article impugning the sexual experience of those they were trying to refute?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2014, 08:09:02 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 02, 2014, 07:56:51 PM
Um, am I right? Did they start right off by saying responding by using the other person's sexual life is bad and then spend pretty much the rest of the article impugning the sexual experience of those they were trying to refute?
Because sex/fat/whatever shaming is bad; unless it's done to a man by Luke's logic.  He's as bad (if not worse) than David Wong in my experience.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 02, 2014, 08:12:00 PM
QuoteYeah, the thing is - capitalists don't allow for unions and do everything in their power to get rid of and subvert them, because that's what the market demands. Strong labor unions and collectives raise the cost of labor for everyone and that cuts into capitalist bottom lines. They'll use The State to crush worker owned businesses and co-operatives because that's what they've always done. If they have a privatized State it might even be easier.

You AnCaps are always saying that you'd be cool with an Anarchist society as neighbors - and that's a nice sentiment but it's impossible.

Capitalism does NOT allow for competing systems: it attacks and destroys them, first via subversion and when that fails, it does it via War. Choice of individual capitalists is not a factor because Capitalism demands infinite production and must perpetually open new markets.

So, if another society has different ideas, capitalists will try to change those ideas - when that fails, it will try to subvert them, and when that fails it will become imperialistic and attack. It has always done this because those societies are too valuable to remain closed.

It did this with China, It did it with Chile and Iran. It also did it to the Zapatistas.

War is a necessary part of capitalism, and if you think this will be solved by privatizing the State you're out of your mind.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2014, 08:16:05 PM
Quote from: tnu on March 02, 2014, 08:12:00 PM
"Yeah, the thing is - capitalists don't allow for unions and do everything in their power to get rid of and subvert them, because that's what the market demands."

Blatantly false.  OP doesn't know that unions were originally a free market creation and thing before government got involved with them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 02, 2014, 09:13:11 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 02, 2014, 05:01:33 PM
Maybe there's overdiagnosis, maybe some physicians are too quick to prescribe medication, but there is an actual effect with ADHD. There are just too many predictors. People with ADHD correlate with lower overall brain size, a proportionally smaller prefrontal cortex, overstimulation of the frontal lobe, and many other factors. Also, stimulants restore the brain stimulation to more normal levels.

It may be overblown, but there's a there there.

Well, looking up those explain alot of my social issues.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on March 02, 2014, 09:18:36 PM
(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/1969289_695256397186271_379082342_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 02, 2014, 09:30:00 PM
Just Mila Kunis as the Wicked Witch of the West.
(http://www.dreadcentral.com/img/news/feb13/wickedw2.jpg)

Are they fucking serious?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 02, 2014, 09:32:01 PM
Quote1) Unionization is a tactic that was born specifically because of capitalist predation.

2) Free Market /= Capitalism.

3) If you defy the city council the response will vary, but I guarantee it will be nothing like defying a police officer.

4) It is not appropriate to compare Stalinism to say, Anarcho-Syndicalism or even communism. The Economy of the Soviet Union wasn't communist, or really even socialist in the strictest sense - it was State Capitalist. So honestly what you're advocating is closer to Stalinism, in both theory and practice than what anarchists are trying to do.

Lenninism is ostensibly about bringing about socialism and eventually communism, but we'll really never know of that was possible since the Soviet Union was opposed subverted and eventually collapsed.

It's important to understand that Leninism and it's derivations were/are a deeply conservative version of Leftist ideology of both State and Non-State varieties. Thus, while their goal is supposedly the same their tactics are completely different and leave much to be desired.

You, ancaps and other assorted versions of Libertarianism HAVE no tactics - you're all empty theory, which again - is more evidence that the whole ideology is a farce intended for no other reason than the creation of propaganda.

Libertarianism isn't SUPPOSED to be practiced, because all it argues for is the total sovereignty of property rights and this rule for and by Property Owners - therefore what you're going to get, if it were ever practiced is simply a more severe version of Liberalism: exactly the same system we have now, just with millionaires and billionaires getting even more control than they otherwise would.

So yes, what you argue for is Capitalism, and what we have now is capitalism in practice and in theory.

The Soviet Union was ALSO Capitalist economically, ostensibly with the goal of transitioning to Socialism, and eventually Communism.

Anarchism, both in theory and practice is something entirely different, as is communism.

And you'd know this if you spent any time reading anything but LOLbertarian propaganda.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 03, 2014, 04:43:58 AM
This comes from a guy who's ostensibly libertarian (even critical of the wars in the Middle East).  But this quote I just read is just hilarious:

QuoteMeanwhile country, after country, after country falls into civil strife and economic recession. Multitudes of biological weapons are at the zenith of their lethality, especially with antibiotics waning in effectiveness and are placed in literal war zone front lines like Damascus with religious zealots trying to reach them.

I wouldn't be so sure that everything is so honky-dory. This is how WW2 started, before nukes were invented. The United States and its allies have major enemies, enemies that have planned these moves for hundreds of years and are currently moving their chess pieces. Even if we are war weary, they are not. Only the dead have seen the end of war.

Dude... seriously... put down the Tom Clancy novels.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 08:33:23 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2014, 02:03:42 PM
"Though I will say, there are always technicalities to every rule. for example, they have proven that if you are eating like an anorexic pidgeon then your body will go into 'hibernation mode', where it will attempt to store all the possible fat and energy it can, and using as little as it can in every day use. Hence why you should always eat as close to possible the recommended dietary intake for your energy needs, otherwise you wont loose anything. Ive been told this from several professional sources [doctors, chiropractors, dietary professionals, etc] so its not a defiance of physics but a fact of science."--Aldark here:  http://travis-retriever.deviantart.com/journal/Lost-23-pounds-side-effects-and-future-goals-437451121#comments

My response:  "'[T]here are always technicalities to every rule.'  Including that rule? And nope, sorry, it really is that simple.  The only reasons that might be the case at all would be:  1) You might become a tad less energetic and therefore move around less, thus burning overall fewer Calories.  2) Food has a thermic effect (especially protein) so when you are, say, fasting, you won't burn as many Calories because it takes energy (Calories) to digest/transport/store the nutrients in food.  Appeal to authority is not an argument.  The Calorie burning calculators I've seen pretty much just use your weight, height, sex, age and activity level to determine the amount of Calories you burn a day, because absent evidence otherwise, it's all that's all that's relevant.  As I said, your body cannot violate the laws of physics just to spite you.

Would it kill him to link me to a controlled, long term, and well designed study that supposedly "proves" this?  Like I always say folks, your body cannot violate the laws of physics just to spite you.  Stop making excuses and learn to eat less and exercise more; and stop enabling those who don't with this kind of bullshit, damnit!

"We'll have to disagree there then. Im afraid I trust my doctor more then some online calculator. lol"--Aldark in response to my comment

*facepalm*

My (hopefully final) response to this pillock:  "And I trust basic math and the laws of physics more than some unnamed, unspecified doctor and rightly so.  I even ask my own nutritionist to back her claims up with studies.

Finally:  http://v.i4031.net/StatistFallacies/AgreeToDisagree"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 09:34:07 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-manly-things-that-are-going-away-forever/

How much fail can you see in this?  I facepalmed at the red meat one and stopped reading at the first sentence.  Wong, the only reason those feed lots via feeding cows corn or whatever are so prevalent is because of government subsidies of corn and other such farmers and of the meat industry.  A free market would take care of that, and probably the rest as well, you beta, white-knighting, misdandric fucktard.  It leads me to believe the rest (e.g. the ad hominems he opens up with too) are just as poorly thought out.  There's a reason why Wong has more appearances in this thread than the rest of the cracked.com team combined!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 09:37:09 AM
http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_817_23-outrageous-marketing-lies-you-see-every-day/?view=article

Okay, let's say every single one of those is 100% accurate or even worse than stated.  We can still win by pointing out the fact that:
Is it not government's job to make sure shit like that doesn't happen?  How is more government going to solve the problem?  It's like Hawkeye's security guard example.  If you hire a security guard to watch your store at night and he not only doesn't stop, but actively *helps* the people robbing it (while robbing it himself).  What, do you need to give him *more* power, or do you need to fire his ass, blacklist him and either find someone (read: a private firm in a free market) or if need be just do that shit yourself.  If you have to watch the watchman, what is the point of HAVING a watchman in the first place?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 03, 2014, 10:00:01 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 09:34:07 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-manly-things-that-are-going-away-forever/

How much fail can you see in this?  I facepalmed at the red meat one and stopped reading at the first sentence.  Wong, the only reason those feed lots via feeding cows corn or whatever are so prevalent is because of government subsidies of corn and other such farmers and of the meat industry.  A free market would take care of that, and probably the rest as well, you beta, white-knighting, misdandric fucktard.  It leads me to believe the rest (e.g. the ad hominems he opens up with too) are just as poorly thought out.  There's a reason why Wong has more appearances in this thread than the rest of the cracked.com team combined!

Firstly, when I was growing up, Cracked was a satirical magazine, so I have a hard time putting a lot of weight to any thing Cracked has to say. Occasionally, they accidentally happen to be right, but that's about it.

And now on to the specifics of the article -

#5-#2: None of those things are going anywhere even temporarily. Although I personally wish #5,#3, & #2 would at least be where I'm not. To suggest these things are "going away forever" is laughable - and not in the good way.

#1: We're starting to make some progress there, but probably not as much the OP seems to think. When I was school-aged, being bullied was considered "good for you", and more often than not, the teacher *was* the bully, and if you said anything...well, anyway.

I'm seeing signs that at least we're moving past that, and at least if you are bullied, it isn't by EVERYBODY.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 03, 2014, 10:03:16 AM
QuoteWhat do i read lol, capitalist also think great depression was because of the state. Ok imagine one thing if not the state by then people would still ride horses robbing anything that was left to rob in a true anarchist land of America so banks even wouldn't exist because private police force would have helped robbers for bigger wages until in the end everyone died. So yes great depression wouldn't have happened without state...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 10:05:09 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 03, 2014, 10:00:01 AM
Firstly, when I was growing up, Cracked was a satirical magazine, so I have a hard time putting a lot of weight to any thing Cracked has to say. Occasionally, they accidentally happen to be right, but that's about it.

To be fair, it is still is (more or less), but I don't buy the "it's comedy ergo it has immunity!" defense bogosity, especially when it seems that nowadays they aren't even trying to really be funny.

As for bullying, well, if you count police officers, and hell just government in general which doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon (at least not in my lifetime sadly. :'( ), then you could even argue that bullying *has* gotten worse.  Though that hurts, not helps, Wong's points.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 03, 2014, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 08:33:23 AM
Finally:  http://v.i4031.net/StatistFallacies/AgreeToDisagree"[/color]

I've always thought that one saying "Let's just agree to disagree" is tantamount to admitting one has lost the argument.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 03, 2014, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 03, 2014, 10:19:49 AM
I've always thought that one saying "Let's just agree to disagree" is tantamount to admitting one has lost the argument.

Sometimes (okay, usually) it is, but sometimes it's the person realizes that at this particular moment neither of you is going to add anything to the discussion. He's going to be saying "is" and you're going to be saying "is not", so in these circumstances, this could be a way of saying "let's pick this up later, when there's something new to say."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 10:48:09 AM
@Shane & Dallen's above posts:  I would probably be nicer if in one argument he hadn't talked about how using someone else's argument is not honorable/manly or something (when I admitted I had help from Hawkeye with Aldark on Skype and Hawkeye on AIM) as if it somehow makes it less of an argument if someone else thought of it.  ::)  Which is bogus.  If he's against specialization of information like that, it's no wonder his arguments are as shitty as they are!  Like a car made by the Soviet Union!

And for him to do the same with, "Well my previous doctor disagrees with basic math and the laws of Thermodynamics HUR DUR!" I'm like, Really?  Also, if he really liked the doctor that well WHY IS HE NOT STILL YOUR FUCKING DOCTOR?! Sheesh.  Hell, what's more a doctor =/= a nutritionist.  And of course, yes, the "some online calculator" is the same one my professional nutritionist uses in terms of variables.  Deal with it Aldark and stop making fucking excuses for yourself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 03, 2014, 11:03:30 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 10:48:09 AM
@Shane & Dallen's above posts:  I would probably be nicer if in one argument he hadn't talked about how using someone else's argument is not honorable/manly or something (when I admitted I had help from Hawkeye with Aldark on Skype and Hawkeye on AIM) as if it somehow makes it less of an argument if someone else thought of it.  ::)  Which is bogus.  If he's against specialization of information like that, it's no wonder his arguments are as shitty as they are!  Like a car made by the Soviet Union!

And for him to do the same with, "Well my previous doctor disagrees with basic math and the laws of Thermodynamics HUR DUR!" I'm like, Really?  Also, if he really liked the doctor that well WHY IS HE NOT STILL YOUR FUCKING DOCTOR?! Sheesh.  Hell, what's more a doctor =/= a nutritionist.  And of course, yes, the "some online calculator" is the same one my professional nutritionist uses in terms of variables.  Deal with it Aldark and stop making fucking excuses for yourself.

Well, yeah, in that instance - You can't even agree to disagree, because one side has "here's what I pulled from my rear orifice" and the other has evidence. Also, how do we know this Doctor of his isn't a Dr. Oz type or if he misunderstood what the doctor said, or...I did cover talking out his ass, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 11:34:00 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 03, 2014, 11:03:30 AM
Well, yeah, in that instance - You can't even agree to disagree, because one side has "here's what I pulled from my rear orifice" and the other has evidence. Also, how do we know this Doctor of his isn't a Dr. Oz type or if he misunderstood what the doctor said, or...I did cover talking out his ass, right?
He reminds me of #8 on this list:  http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-8-people-who-will-ruin-your-attempt-to-lose-weight/
I see a LOT of people who fit into that category sadly.  Not as infuriating as the ones in #5 (like my Mentor at university *eyetwitch*), but definitely up there. >.>
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 11:40:37 AM
From #2 on the following list:  http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-awesome-things-with-inexplicably-bad-reputations_p2/
"Both sides are wrong. "Assault weapon" was the name given to a military rifle developed in World War II that could switch between automatic and semiautomatic modes of firing. During the '80s, when American gun sales were slow, manufacturers started introducing these new weapons to the public, with one difference: The guns were missing the automatic-fire mode, because automatic weapons have been highly restricted in America since 1934. With that distinction gone, the only difference left between an assault weapon and a normal rifle is that one looks vaguely newer and could be marketed as more modern."

Fail for contradicting themselves in the paragraph.  And even if that was still true of them, Hawkeye's and our arguments still apply.

I laughed at #1.  Fedoras are basically the new "Neckbeard."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 03, 2014, 12:15:01 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 11:40:37 AM
I laughed at #1.  Fedoras are basically the new "Neckbeard."

And Fedoras have an extremely explicable reason for having a bad reputation: Al Capone wore (a fake) one. On the plus side, if you've ever heard the term 'a hat trick' for scoring three goals in one sports match, this is the hat you would have gotten. (It started as a way for the Toronto, Canada haberdasher who invented the Fedora, and didn't sell Capone one, to both get some free advertising and encourage his local hockey team.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 03, 2014, 03:19:28 PM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/714496235251285/permalink/716680688366173/?stream_ref=3

Yet again, everything by Brent Lengel.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 03, 2014, 03:24:06 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 09:34:07 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-manly-things-that-are-going-away-forever/

How much fail can you see in this?  I facepalmed at the red meat one and stopped reading at the first sentence.  Wong, the only reason those feed lots via feeding cows corn or whatever are so prevalent is because of government subsidies of corn and other such farmers and of the meat industry.  A free market would take care of that, and probably the rest as well, you beta, white-knighting, misdandric fucktard.  It leads me to believe the rest (e.g. the ad hominems he opens up with too) are just as poorly thought out.  There's a reason why Wong has more appearances in this thread than the rest of the cracked.com team combined!

QuoteWinning involves not just strength and speed, but brutality and intimidation.
UGH! I don't even play football and I know better than this.
And I don't ever remember bullying being a "manly" thing in the past decades. Every person I have ever talked to says bullies are cowards.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 03, 2014, 04:02:28 PM
 You just continually assert that property can not be defended without a state and have done fuck all to back it up.

Find me ONE incidence of Private Property that does not operate within a State Structure. You can't. The onus is not on ME to prove a negative, YOU hold the burden of proof here.

(admittedly I'm not entiarly sure if he is right on this perticular aspect.)

Damn near EVERY source that ISN'T communist propaganda pretty much identifies Stalin's system as state socialism.

Actually, Marxists usually argue that it was socialism and the USSR put a shit ton of money and time in to convincing everyone it WAS socialism (even wrote it into treaties) Because there was a great deal of prestige in being a genuine example of socialism.

However, this isn't true. Lenin described the economy as State Capitalist.

Think of it like this: Lenninism is all about a METHOD for reaching communism. SO the idea was to Start out "State Capitalist" (Which allowed for Private Property & wage labor in most industry, while having the government manage the biggest industries FOR PROFIT. IE: the State ITSELF is engaging in Capitalism AS IF IT WERE A BUSINESS) and from there you move to socialism, and from there eventually to communism.

Broadly the USSR can be considered a "socialist country" but it's economy was more of a fusion between Socialism and Capitalism. It had elements of both. This was largely because Lenin was kind of super right-wing compared to most traditional communists up to that point.


"If you think Stalin was somehow a capitalist"

Stalin was NOT a capitalist - BUT that doesn't mean the economy he presided over was genuinely socialist. Sure it had socialist elements to it, and was probably the most socialist State in the world until Red China - BUT there was plenty of FOR-PROFIT activity going on, both by individual businessmen and by The State.


"It just goes to show that you use capitalist as a catch all for any implemented system that doesn't fit your narrative of communism."

No I don't. You don't even know what my narrative even IS, you've never bothered to ask.

"I think there's something of a disconnect, maybe due to my use of colloquial definitions. To my understanding "Marxism" is generally used as a catch-all for ideologies such as communism, socialism, et al. Am I mistaken?"


YES. Marxism is ONE form of socialism. It's not even the oldest or the most prevalent. Socialism predates Marx, and there's a SUPER IMPORTANT split that happened between the Marxists and the Anarchists (BOTH socialists). It's called the "Black/Red Divide" and was KIND OF a big deal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/.../International_Workingmen's...

I am not a Marxist. Most Anarchists aren't.


"Then you ought to know better about the actual MEANING of the word "capitalism" and related terms instead you seem to have a college liberals lack of unsderstanding of the terms and use them to refer to anything you happen to dislike." (this was a response to him saying he had read all of the classical Austrian and Chicago school proponents) 

You sir, are more Liberal than I am. I am a Leftist. Anarchism is a POST-LIBERAL ideology. AnCaps are radical Liberals.

"I read a bit of Thereau in high school but nothing really substantial. I've been considering starting on Proudhun for awhile but I havn't had th e time and I've had a crap ton of other books to get to (mostly fiction) That and my limited eyesight makes reading difficult.

"So I take it you derive your understanding of communism mostly from Kropotkin, Bakunin, and Chomsky?"

Yeah, also Proudhon, and Emma Goldman and Durruti.

It's important to remember that communism kinda has two meanings - it was defined by Marx as a "Classless, Stateless Society" but colloquially people tend to use it to refer specifically to "Marxists" and various stripes of "Lenninists" as Communists (I call it Big "C" Communism) but they aren't the only kinds of communists.



"Because it's not true. All the Austrian school says is that you can't do direct experimentation on economics in the same way that you can do for, say, physics. It merely states that the reliance on human action and interaction in economics makes direct experiments and equations unreliable because they can't always predict all of the possible variables."

YES. AND THAT MEANS THEY REJECT EMPIRICISM BECAUSE EMPIRICISM ARGUES THAT KNOWLEDGE CAN ONLY COME VIA THE SENSES.

If you say you can't do experimentation on economics the same way you do experimentation in any other science, then you reject empiricism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 04:17:20 PM
Quote from: tnu on March 03, 2014, 04:02:28 PM
YES. AND THAT MEANS THEY REJECT EMPIRICISM BECAUSE EMPIRICISM ARGUES THAT KNOWLEDGE CAN ONLY COME VIA THE SENSES.

If you say you can't do experimentation on economics the same way you do experimentation in any other science, then you reject empiricism.

Semantic nitpicking.  What, are experiments the ONLY way to get knowledge from the senses?  The predictions it has made don't count when shitstains like him haven't any?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 04:26:31 PM
As for Aldark's comments:

Folks.  Your bodies cannot violate math and physics just to spite/love you.  Get the fuck over yourselves.  If you really believe it can, have a physicist specializing in thermodynamics have a look and measure the stuff to be certain so you both can win a Nobel Prize already; or at least James Randi's Challenge.  But until then, STFU & GTFO.
I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing from people who think they're special, unique, and beautiful snowflakes that not even the laws of physics can 'contain.'
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 03, 2014, 04:38:06 PM
 "What, are experiments the ONLY way to get knowledge from the senses?"

For an empiricist? Yes:

"Empiricism in the philosophy of science emphasizes evidence, especially as discovered in experiments. It is a fundamental part of the scientific method that all hypotheses and theories must be tested against observations of the natural world rather than resting solely on a priori reasoning, intuition, or revelation."

Austrian Economics relies on Rationalism - ie: logical thought experiments that can never be tested or proven empirically because it's about THOUGHT not sensory input.

This, again - is because the Austrian School exists primarily as a propaganda engine.

Look, the Austrians pretty much only had ONE point, which was early neoclassical economists COULD be a bit rigid in their emphasis on perfect rationality of Actors - but that just meant that they had failed to take psychology into account in their models. However, Behavioral Economics arose out of the Neoclassical school to deal with this and rightly put the Austrians in their place by building workable, testable models, while the Austrians continued to insist they were right and you just had to take their word for it.

You don't. That's a fact.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 04:44:37 PM
Quote from: tnu on March 03, 2014, 04:38:06 PM
"What, are experiments the ONLY way to get knowledge from the senses?"

For an empiricist? Yes:

"Empiricism in the philosophy of science emphasizes evidence, especially as discovered in experiments. It is a fundamental part of the scientific method that all hypotheses and theories must be tested against observations of the natural world rather than resting solely on a priori reasoning, intuition, or revelation."

Austrian Economics relies on Rationalism - ie: logical thought experiments that can never be tested or proven empirically because it's about THOUGHT not sensory input.

This, again - is because the Austrian School exists primarily as a propaganda engine.

Look, the Austrians pretty much only had ONE point, which was early neoclassical economists COULD be a bit rigid in their emphasis on perfect rationality of Actors - but that just meant that they had failed to take psychology into account in their models. However, Behavioral Economics arose out of the Neoclassical school to deal with this and rightly put the Austrians in their place by building workable, testable models, while the Austrians continued to insist they were right and you just had to take their word for it.

You don't. That's a fact.
Bullshit.  It means we value real world results.  E.g. real world predictions like the Austrian School has in spades and what people *do* instead of what they say.  What a semantic prick! This is why I don't associate with leftist anarchists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 03, 2014, 05:01:54 PM
Einstein developed and demonstrated Relativity using thought experiments. The light-clock gedankenexperiment solidly proved time dilation without any experiments having to be run. Of course, later experiments confirmed it, but they weren't necessary to demonstrate the truth of it.

He doesn't know the first thing about science OR empiricism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 03, 2014, 05:01:54 PM
Einstein developed and demonstrated Relativity using thought experiments. The light-clock gedankenexperiment solidly proved time dilation without any experiments having to be run. Of course, later experiments confirmed it, but they weren't necessary to demonstrate the truth of it.

He doesn't know the first thing about science OR empiricism.
Not to mention the fact that if he claims to not be an empiricist, he's bullshitting you according to his own definition of "information through the senses."  Oh, you mean like WHAT HE'S DOING BY READING AND RESPONDING TO US?! I mean what a fucking moron!  Self detonating statements people.  If you're that lacking in self awareness that you don't see that, I have nothing to learn from you and don't want anything to do with you in the first place.  Life is too short to waste on fools.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 03, 2014, 05:47:07 PM
"Bullshit. It means we value real world results. E.g. real world predictions like the Austrian School has in spades and what people *do* instead of what they say. Your argument relies on pure semantics.

Einstein developed and demonstrated Relativity using thought experiments. The light-clock gedankenexperiment solidly proved time dilation without any experiments having to be run. Of course, later experiments confirmed it, but they weren't necessary to demonstrate the truth of it."

No - it didn't "prove" anything, it just happened to be the correct guess. It could just as easily been wrong.

Thought-experiments are good at forming hypothesis, but they don't mean anything until you can demonstrate them empirically. They're problematic because the thinker is often unaware of and unable to account for their own biases.

Einstein was an empiricist. He didn't claim that his thought-experiments proved anything. That's not how science works.

My argument is NOT semantics. Take this to any econ professor - they'll back me up.

Oh this just keeps getting better.

When I called him out on suggesting insurance should be mandatory

I'm saying that we're living in a capitalist society. I don't like it but so long as you can cost people hundreds of thousands in medical bills because YOU want to operate a giant hunk of metal capable of reaching speeds of over 100 miles an hour - you damn well have no right doing it without at least liability coverage.

It's not a violation of anarchism to recognize the realities of operating in a capitalist society. There's ideals and there's realpolitik and I care about REAL people in the REAL world.


OF COURSE insurance is a scam - BUT, like most of Capitalism it's a MANDATORY scam. And since the penalty for losing at this manditory scam is death/being crippled there's no reason not to mitigate this as best we can.

"Should" insurance be manditory? Of course not. But "should's" are not reality. Shoulds are how we'd LIKE reality to be.

So unless you guys want to have The Revolution tomorrow, there is literally NO REASON to allow for bad behavior - like driving uninsured. It doesn't help you or erode capitalism or The State to drive uninsured - it just makes it more likely that you'll completely fuck over some other random person by accident.

Anarchists DON'T put other people's lives in danger for no good reason.


oh and it just keeps getting better.

Capitalism is about giving the ILLUSION of choice. You don't actually have choice Daniel. You have owners. You are owned by Capitalists. Real capitalists, and you can either sell your labor to one of them, or you can die.


Capitalism will not and cannot abide competing systems. It's global. It's mandatory. This is a fact.

It PRETENDS to be pluralistic, because pluralism is a Liberal value - but when a competing system begins to assert itself it attacks and kills. It opens closed societies, it monetizes untapped resources, it opens new markets, whether those people want it or not.

It did it with China (twice), It did it with Chile, it did it with Iran, it did it with the Soviet Union.

Shit, the Soviets weren't just facing White Czarist troops, they were also fighting British, American, and Japanese forces.

And again, the Zapatistas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/.../Zapatista_Army_of_National...

Communism is not possible until capitalism is destroyed as a global economic and political system, nor is any other kind of system.

Shit you want to see how far it goes to preserve the illusion of choice? Go into any grocery store and grab, I don't know - mouthwash or something. Compare the active ingredients between Listerine, and Listerine "Anti-Palque Extra" whatever.

Odds are, they are exactly the same. This occurs within brands, and between multiple competing brands, and often times those competing brands are owned by the same umbrella company.

Even most of the competition is fake. It's a way of MARKETING to people. Creating specific brand identities to attract specific types of people even though the product is exactly the same.


Also does anybody have any better standing of this Zapatista thing? Because he's mentioned it several times already as some sort of shining example about how capitalism is mandatory.


"Soi'm asusming it's fair game to pointout how many people were killed in Mao's Great Leap Forward? or Imprisoned in Stalin's Gulags? or the oppressive nad violent regimes in Cuba?"


No, those were victims of revolutionary violence. What I will say is that pile of bodies pales in comparison to the number killed by Capitalism. The only reason you're worried about those incidents and say - not the 80,000+ who were tortured and 41,000 murdered by the Phoenix Program, or Operation Condor, is you are reacting to cold-war era propaganda.

I mean you DO know the Batista regime killed WAY more people than Che and Castro, right? Why aren't you mad at them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor

Also, when you take population size into account during the Great Leap Forward, the overall percentage of dead is similar to the amount who died of malnutrition and exposure during the US Great Depression.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on March 03, 2014, 07:02:05 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapatista_Army_of_National_Liberation

This army is actually more reflective of libertarian socialism. Besides, if its compulsive then it isn't very capitalist.

He is also confusing corporatism with capitalism regarding the Batista regime http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista

and the phoenix program and oepration condor were carried out by governments, and the free market has nothing to do with governments.

and the great depression was caused by the federal reserve monkeying around with the money supply, made worse by herbert hoover's policies, especially his tariff hikes, and it was extned by F.D.R. as he continued hoovers policies.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 03, 2014, 07:29:53 PM
I havn't read too much in depth yet b ut how does it reflect libertarian socialism?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on March 03, 2014, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: tnu on March 03, 2014, 07:29:53 PM
I havn't read too much in depth yet b ut how does it reflect libertarian socialism?

Well they are anti capitalist and they prefer democratic and collective processes.

And I think this guy is just a troll.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 03, 2014, 08:38:23 PM
I think he's actually claming that hte liberation army was suppressed by capitalists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 03, 2014, 09:55:45 PM
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Yes, by all means, let's ignore the fact that they were called Jim Crow LAWS.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 04, 2014, 10:07:47 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2014, 08:33:23 AM
"We'll have to disagree there then. Im afraid I trust my doctor more then some online calculator. lol"--Aldark in response to my comment

*facepalm*

My (hopefully final) response to this pillock:  "And I trust basic math and the laws of physics more than some unnamed, unspecified doctor and rightly so.  I even ask my own nutritionist to back her claims up with studies.

Finally:  http://v.i4031.net/StatistFallacies/AgreeToDisagree"
The dipshit strikes again!

Aldark:  "Sure maths is great and all but the body is a bit more complicated then basic math. its needs something a little more advanced. I may be wrong 'in your opinion', but I believe your original post is only half correct, myself. Not wrong, just incomplete."

My response:  "Appeal to complication, and ignores the physics of it too.  Not just the math, but Thermodynamics too.  And no, I'm not dealing with "opinion" (which you'd know if you bothered to read that link).  I'm dealing with facts, arguments from first principle, empiricism, and well established physical laws (thermodynamics).  I've backed up my arguments with physics and math.  You've done nothing other than just baldly assert, appeal to (bogus) authority and appeal to complication.  If you have a study (a RCT one) demonstrating the truth of your claims, present it, until then, my point stands as firm and undisputed as ever.

Your body cannot violate the laws of thermodynamics just to spite/love you.  If you really believe it can, have a physicist specializing in thermodynamics have a look and measure the stuff to be certain so you both can win a Nobel Prize; or at least James Randi's Challenge.  But until then, stop wasting my time and yours.
I'm sick and tired of hearing from people who think they're special, unique, and beautiful snowflakes that not even the laws of physics apply. Stop making excuses."

Why oh, why did I ever choose to get back in touch with this fucktard?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 04, 2014, 10:55:39 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 04, 2014, 10:07:47 AM
The dipshit strikes again!

Why oh, why did I ever choose to get back in touch with this fucktard?

Because you enjoy arguing with the unreasonable?  :shrug:
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 04, 2014, 11:16:19 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 04, 2014, 10:55:39 AM
Because you enjoy arguing with the unreasonable?  :shrug:
Eh, I honestly didn't know he was unreasonable when I first met him and got back to talking with him.  Oh well.  It happens I suppose.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 04, 2014, 05:39:42 PM
Here's a Facebook page that's so full of shit:

https://www.facebook.com/MMYVofficial
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 04, 2014, 05:45:20 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on March 04, 2014, 05:39:42 PM
Here's a Facebook page that's so full of shit:

https://www.facebook.com/MMYVofficial

I'm going to assume that page is satire.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 04, 2014, 06:27:27 PM
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I hate that my friends decide to send this guy to bug me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 04, 2014, 07:20:20 PM
Can we just assume that every video Zo uploads is a fail and not bother posting it here?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 04, 2014, 10:25:54 PM
I suppose.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 05, 2014, 01:12:39 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 04, 2014, 07:20:20 PM
Can we just assume that every video Zo uploads is a fail and not bother posting it here?

We could post a link to his channel, and call it "Fail Nation"? We could have a whole thing just devoted to that!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 05, 2014, 01:36:21 AM
http://capitalismisfreedom.com/woman-jailed-indefinitely-feeding-bread-crows/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 05, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 05, 2014, 01:12:39 AM
We could post a link to his channel, and call it "Fail Nation"? We could have a whole thing just devoted to that!

Because everything on his channel is a fail, here's Zo with Fail Nation:  https://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction  And yeah, it had to be done.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 05, 2014, 10:03:06 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 04, 2014, 10:07:47 AM
The dipshit strikes again!

Aldark:  "Sure maths is great and all but the body is a bit more complicated then basic math. its needs something a little more advanced. I may be wrong 'in your opinion', but I believe your original post is only half correct, myself. Not wrong, just incomplete."

My response:  "Appeal to complication, and ignores the physics of it too.  Not just the math, but Thermodynamics too.  And no, I'm not dealing with "opinion" (which you'd know if you bothered to read that link).  I'm dealing with facts, arguments from first principle, empiricism, and well established physical laws (thermodynamics).  I've backed up my arguments with physics and math.  You've done nothing other than just baldly assert, appeal to (bogus) authority and appeal to complication.  If you have a study (a RCT one) demonstrating the truth of your claims, present it, until then, my point stands as firm and undisputed as ever.

Your body cannot violate the laws of thermodynamics just to spite/love you.  If you really believe it can, have a physicist specializing in thermodynamics have a look and measure the stuff to be certain so you both can win a Nobel Prize; or at least James Randi's Challenge.  But until then, stop wasting my time and yours.
I'm sick and tired of hearing from people who think they're special, unique, and beautiful snowflakes that not even the laws of physics apply. Stop making excuses."

Why oh, why did I ever choose to get back in touch with this fucktard?

And he came back, this time with 3 comments.  I think I hurt its wittle feeling.

Aldark: "I dont even care if you unblock me this time. I dont need some guy who [while I have shown respect to your side of the argument at every step, and agreed with it for the most part] just steps on what I have to say, belittles my opinion, and then blocks me when I wont completely agree with them. 'special snowflake' dictates that I am a person who believes I am different to others. You have misused that term because infact I know I am not. I merely have a different view on the topic. If you cant bring yourself to respect that, then I dont need you around."

*yawn* The opinion card.  And he acts like he was the one who made that decision.  I've been sending him hints about *that* for weeks now.  Took him long enough to get it.  And no, this isn't a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact.  Is it really *that* hard for people to tell the difference?  If it is an opinion, it cannot be considered valid or invalid by definition.  Learn to crack open a dictionary once in a while, Aldark.  And yes, I do get indignant when people who call themselves my friends LIE to my fucking face and say, "BUT IT'S ONLY MY/YOUR OPINION!111" as if that somehow makes it better.  But he wouldn't know that because he's aren't an honest person.
Speaking of liars--I *did* put him on my DA block list and then immediately remove him so he wouldn't be watching me and only because I'm tired of waking up after a rough day and dragging my ass out of bed for the privilege of listening to him lie to me, while pulling the honor/bigger man/overreacting card on me every time I call bullshit on him.  And no, Aldark, I never blocked you from Skype or from Steam either (I did remove him from both though).

Aldark: "And youve deleted me from skype. the overreactions never stop with you."

What overreaction?  Not wanting to deal with his dishonesty early in the morning and sending him a hint that way?  Dude, I deleted you from Skype WEEKS ago.  You just noticed this now?  And yeah, honest, virtuous people get indignant when others lie and pull out bullshit like, "it's my opinion! I haz honorz" or something else equally bogus.  Get over yourself Aldark.

Aldark: "Taking things a little out of proportion there, once again. You tend to over react to my arguments quiet alot. Just something ive noticed lately. calling me names and all kinds of offencive things. seriously dude chill the fuck out. All I said was that I trust my doctors more then an article o nthe internet. theres no need to get your panties in a twist over it. I didnt even say you were wrong did I? Infact the complete opposite. Seriously, the fuck is wrong with you?"

There is something right with me:  I don't like liars who don't believe basic math and physics and try to weasel out of basic facts or who can't .  That's creationists levels of dishonest on his part.  You chill the fuck out dude.  Don't get all pissy with me just because you can't back up your claims with evidence, cad.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 07, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 07, 2014, 01:18:15 PM
Quote from: tnu on March 07, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
(https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/1898143_741099209247778_1403475556_n.jpg)

I'm pretty sure that's tongue-in-cheek.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on March 07, 2014, 01:30:19 PM
Hemant Mehta tries to sugar coat Common Core. (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/03/07/about-that-common-core-math-problem-making-the-rounds-on-facebook/) Most everyone in the comments section agrees with him, not realizing just how bad Common Core really is (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHetioUW4lI). I tried to inject some reason into the comments section, but I gave up in frustration. And yet people wonder why I hate most atheists even though I'm an atheist myself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 07, 2014, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 05, 2014, 10:03:06 AM
And he came back, this time with 3 comments.  I think I hurt its wittle feeling.

Aldark: "I dont even care if you unblock me this time. I dont need some guy who [while I have shown respect to your side of the argument at every step, and agreed with it for the most part] just steps on what I have to say, belittles my opinion, and then blocks me when I wont completely agree with them. 'special snowflake' dictates that I am a person who believes I am different to others. You have misused that term because infact I know I am not. I merely have a different view on the topic. If you cant bring yourself to respect that, then I dont need you around."

*yawn* The opinion card.  And he acts like he was the one who made that decision.  I've been sending him hints about *that* for weeks now.  Took him long enough to get it.  And no, this isn't a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact.  Is it really *that* hard for people to tell the difference?  If it is an opinion, it cannot be considered valid or invalid by definition.  Learn to crack open a dictionary once in a while, Aldark.  And yes, I do get indignant when people who call themselves my friends LIE to my fucking face and say, "BUT IT'S ONLY MY/YOUR OPINION!111" as if that somehow makes it better.  But he wouldn't know that because he's aren't an honest person.
Speaking of liars--I *did* put him on my DA block list and then immediately remove him so he wouldn't be watching me and only because I'm tired of waking up after a rough day and dragging my ass out of bed for the privilege of listening to him lie to me, while pulling the honor/bigger man/overreacting card on me every time I call bullshit on him.  And no, Aldark, I never blocked you from Skype or from Steam either (I did remove him from both though).

Aldark: "And youve deleted me from skype. the overreactions never stop with you."

What overreaction?  Not wanting to deal with his dishonesty early in the morning and sending him a hint that way?  Dude, I deleted you from Skype WEEKS ago.  You just noticed this now?  And yeah, honest, virtuous people get indignant when others lie and pull out bullshit like, "it's my opinion! I haz honorz" or something else equally bogus.  Get over yourself Aldark.

Aldark: "Taking things a little out of proportion there, once again. You tend to over react to my arguments quiet alot. Just something ive noticed lately. calling me names and all kinds of offencive things. seriously dude chill the fuck out. All I said was that I trust my doctors more then an article o nthe internet. theres no need to get your panties in a twist over it. I didnt even say you were wrong did I? Infact the complete opposite. Seriously, the fuck is wrong with you?"

There is something right with me:  I don't like liars who don't believe basic math and physics and try to weasel out of basic facts or who can't .  That's creationists levels of dishonest on his part.  You chill the fuck out dude.  Don't get all pissy with me just because you can't back up your claims with evidence, cad.

If you can't deal with him as an adult, just ignore him. it doesn't matter what time of day it is: Either it is true, or not.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 07, 2014, 04:51:58 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 07, 2014, 04:29:23 PM
If you can't deal with him as an adult, just ignore him. it doesn't matter what time of day it is: Either it is true, or not.
I'm not being immature, I'm being indignant and rightly so.  I don't tolerate liars; especially when they're cowards and hypocrites about it.  Besides, I didn't post those replies to him and have been ignoring him since.  I figured I'd just vent it out here and forget about it as I've had enough of him.
Wanting a safe place to vent is the primary reason I *started* this massive thread in the first place.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 07, 2014, 05:09:19 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 07, 2014, 01:18:15 PMI'm pretty sure that's tongue-in-cheek.
I sure hope so.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 07, 2014, 10:59:28 PM
QuoteBTW- Scarcity is not a rich person with infinite desire whining about how he/she doesn't have more than they did the day before. That is so perfectly narcissistic and sociopathic and by all measures emblematic anarcho-capitalism and right-libertarianism.

When I pointed out that desire is infinate and resources are finite.


Oh God now this is just insane.


QuoteRothbard is insane. He advocated selling children on the free market and allowing parents to starve their babies to death. Adam Smith's capitalism requires a government. Read the Wealth of Nations or any of his other treatises. I'm sure there's something in the Wiki that would pop right out at you. There are no capitalist theorists until Rothbard who make a claim for a stateless capitalism and even he had the good sense to be wary of calling it anarchism, because anarchism was hitherto a worker's rights movement.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 08, 2014, 12:21:39 AM
@ tnu: that person clearly doesn't know the difference between descriptive and prescriptive statements...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 08, 2014, 12:41:23 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on March 08, 2014, 12:21:39 AM
@ tnu: that person clearly doesn't know the difference between descriptive and prescriptive statements...

Mind elaborating?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 08, 2014, 12:56:56 AM
(https://scontent-b-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1781871_653429844724783_330394816_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 08, 2014, 01:38:44 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 08, 2014, 12:56:56 AM
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Yeah that's great now go subsidize it yourself instead of forcing others  to do so.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 08, 2014, 10:14:27 AM
Quote from: tnu on March 08, 2014, 12:41:23 AM
Mind elaborating?

you mentioned that people have infinite desires and limited resources: that was descriptive, since it mentions how things are.

his reply clearly only makes any semblance of sense if he assumed you were stating this as it ought to be.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2014, 10:53:55 AM
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[yt]Ndou2ZbPHb0[/yt]

[yt]jcXo1sHqKeI[/yt]

All are from MaoistRebelNews2.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 08, 2014, 12:54:30 PM
So Sinfest makes this nice little comic today:

(http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2014-03-08.gif)

And then there are the forum comments:

http://sinfest.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7239

FULL of fail! Like:

QuoteLibertarianism like many other 'isms', are a nice idea in theory but are more or less doomed to fail due to a pesky thing called human-nature.

How many times have we heard THAT? As if statism isn't somehow completely dependent on humans (at least, the ones in power) acting AGAINST their nature!

QuoteYou'll notice that most libertarians are middle- to upper- class white people (especially men) who have little to nothing to worry about with regards to being systemically discrimated against.

A) NOT true, and B) Genetic Fallacy even if it were.

QuoteI think they underestimate how much exactly the government pays for them.

Oh, believe me, that is one thing we DON'T underestimate!

You get the idea.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 08, 2014, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2014, 10:53:55 AM
Rant ahead--You have been warned.

And my mom is being unreasonable about this stuff too.   She talks about how she used to think that, but then she did more research and found it's also where the carbs come from etc that matters and "well, let's see if you can do this for at least a year!"  Yes, when all else fails, attack the messenger.

She also starts it off by saying, "Now, I know you're really sensitive about this subject."  No mother, I just get indignant when people--like you--pretend they are scientists while not citing a single study done, while I present arguments from first principles, logic and said studies, while you continue to just vapidly assert and vaguely reference "books I've read"  Big fucking whoop!  I can find books saying donuts are good for you, what's her point?  And yeah, I get indignant when people vapidly assert and pretend they have knowledge when it's clear to anyone with a brain they're bullshitting me.  Yes, us evil scientists, skeptics and Bayesian thinkers, not wanting to accept anything as fact until we have compelling (read: non fallacious/anecdotal/poorly controlled) evidence to do so and dismissing all else as null/false via the null hypothesis; if ONLY OUR brains could be so open they fall out like non-skeptics too, right?

When I finally bring up the point that, if she really believes it makes THAT big a difference and violates the laws of physics, have a physicist measure it so you can both win a Nobel Prize; or at least James Randi's $1 Million Challenge.  Her response?  "I don't care about this stuff, I'm just..."   Right.  She doesn't care, yet she was the one to even bring it up in the first place. *rolls eyes*

And of course the whole "Agree to disagree" card; which is just Swahili for: "I don't have any evidence to present in my favor, and rather than just manning the fuck up and admitting I don't have anything other than anecdotes at best and concede, I'm going to pretend to be the better and more congenial person, because fuck you for disagreeing with me."

So then she tries to use Weight Watchers (/sigh) as a reason for why a carb isn't a carb, saying, "Well, they let you eat more of the food that has more fiber in it, so it MUST mean something!"  And responds to my pointing out their 3% long term success rate with, "BECAUSE PEOPLE TRY TO CHEAT IT/DON'T STICK WITH IT!" /groan  Marketing ploys =/= methods of science, damnit.

I even read her this article:  http://www.simplyshredded.com/the-science-of-nutrition-is-a-carb-a-carb.html (With sources & studies listed at the end)
And, like every good pseudo-scientist, she goes into the grey areas for cover: "YES BUT IT ACTUALLY DOES SUPPORT WHAT I"M SAYING BECAUSE OF THE BIT ABOUT THE MICRONUTRIENTS THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING (moving the goal posts)! POTASSIUM DOES MATTER (strawman; he never said it didn't; that was a bogus assumption she made, not something he said)! THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SKINNY/LEAN WHO AREN'T HEALTHY WHY DO THEY USE THAT (he never said there aren't people like that), LIKE PEOPLE WHO USE DRUGS (in response to me pointing out that yes, drugs would fuck you up regardless, and acting like it somehow invalidates the studies--it doesn't)."  The point being, they were controlled for Calories, etc (read the article to see for yourself, damnit. :P).  So if there WERE differences in results, it was NOT from carb sources.  Get over yourself.  Anecdotes will always be trumped by controlled studies.  Just like how being a parent doesn't make you good at it or mean you have a PhD in Psychology.  And these people have the nerve to call *us* arrogant.

And yeah, she even goes on about how, "I buy organic food, though I don't know if it has any extra benefit."  read:  I have no evidence to believe it is better, but I'll pay extra regardless*. *facepalms*  Fact:  In the absence of evidence there is no reason to believe a statement.  And no, "well I've read stuff over the years saying otherwise!" is not evidence.  Otherwise, I could say donuts are "healthy" because Krispy Kreme's don't contain trans-fats because I read it somewhere.  Deal with it.  And let's be honest here, most books have terribad low information density, and even at best are often dated (save for a few, e.g. Henry Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson  And even then, the he writes it leaves room for higher information density).
*To be fair, some of the organic food is just stuff from local farmers that are willing to sell it cheap even compared to the non-organic stuff in the grocery store.  Note that I have nothing against this.  I'm talking about buying overpriced fruits/veggies from grocery stores just because they have an "organic" or "No GMOs" label on them, instead of the non-organically labeled/non "no GMO" labeled stuff for much cheaper.

Learn how to do science people.  Learn how to be skeptical and learn some statistics/probability theory.  You'll save yourself a lot of tears, dollars, frustration and desecrated memories over your lifetime.  Yes, it is lame to find out you were a fool and wrong for so long.  It hurts, I know.  I used to be a Christian and a statist, and so on.  But wouldn't it be even worse to live a life that's a lie?  You do have but one after all.

/Rant

Wow! That's a long one.

1. I just love the "organic" argument. Show me a food that *isn't* organic - and I'll be happy to slap a label on there for you - unless you want to change the definition of organic. (I got it - let's label "food Dallen likes" organic, and "food Dallen doesn't like" not organic.)

2. How would a carb be not a carb? If it was a not carb, they'd call it something else - like fat, or protein. Some foods that have carbs, it is conceivable, are better for you than other foods that have carbs because they happen to have other (more) nutrients. The carb itself is still a carb.

3. I happen to be one of the "skinny people that eat like that" - The secret is primarily volume. (A donut is probably not all that bad for you... A dozen... er, well...)

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on March 08, 2014, 01:41:54 PM
QuoteLibertarianism like many other 'isms', are a nice idea in theory but are more or less doomed to fail due to a pesky thing called human-nature.

I always laugh at the human nature argument. They say that humans are naturally evil, yet they want to give a small group of these naturally evil humans a monopoly on the initiation of force to keep the other naturally evil humans from doing evil things?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2014, 02:06:52 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 08, 2014, 12:54:30 PM
How many times have we heard THAT? As if statism isn't somehow completely dependent on humans (at least, the ones in power) acting AGAINST their nature!
It's like Stef once said:  You trust a single elite group of people with prisons, nukes, total control over the education system, the power to imprison at will and total legal and moral immunity for all their bad behavior and you call yourself a realist?

Quote from: MrBogosity on March 08, 2014, 12:54:30 PM
A) NOT true, and B) Genetic Fallacy even if it were.
Someone needs to tell this race-card using pillock that it was government that made the Jim Crow LAWS, and to look up "Fugitive Slave Act."

Quote from: MrBogosity on March 08, 2014, 12:54:30 PM
Oh, believe me, that is one thing we DON'T underestimate!
I know right?  He says that like it's something we should be grateful for...

Quote from: MrBogosity on March 08, 2014, 12:54:30 PM
You get the idea.
Indeed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2014, 02:10:18 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 08, 2014, 01:40:33 PM
Wow! That's a long one.

1. I just love the "organic" argument. Show me a food that *isn't* organic - and I'll be happy to slap a label on there for you - unless you want to change the definition of organic. (I got it - let's label "food Dallen likes" organic, and "food Dallen doesn't like" not organic.)

2. How would a carb be not a carb? If it was a not carb, they'd call it something else - like fat, or protein. Some foods that have carbs, it is conceivable, are better for you than other foods that have carbs because they happen to have other (more) nutrients. The carb itself is still a carb.

3. I happen to be one of the "skinny people that eat like that" - The secret is primarily volume. (A donut is probably not all that bad for you... A dozen... er, well...)

1. Even better: food Travis likes = "organic" and food Travis doesn't like = "not organic"  ;D

2. & 3. Indeed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 08, 2014, 02:35:13 PM
I don't give a fuck what you believe. If you don't think this is some psychotic evil shit, there's something wrong with you.

(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/q71/s720x720/1898269_624762930927256_1666784673_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 08, 2014, 03:34:52 PM
Quote from: D on March 08, 2014, 02:35:13 PM
I don't give a fuck what you believe. If you don't think this is some psychotic evil shit, there's something wrong with you.

(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/q71/s720x720/1898269_624762930927256_1666784673_n.jpg)

Fucking Psychopath!



Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on March 08, 2014, 04:47:58 PM
Quote from: D on March 08, 2014, 02:35:13 PM
I don't give a fuck what you believe. If you don't think this is some psychotic evil shit, there's something wrong with you.

(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/q71/s720x720/1898269_624762930927256_1666784673_n.jpg)
Unlike most other atheists, I don't care what you believe in as long as you remain peaceful while doing so, but if your god commands you to kill people, then we have a problem.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2014, 05:02:37 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-people-who-really-are-making-world-better-place/
I only read the titles of each item, but the fact that he included Pope Francis at all in that list should be enough to merit this being a fail.

Especially in light of a magazine cover I saw while waiting at the dentist's office.  I can't find it online (sadly), but it was of the Pope looking like he's about to rub his hands on the world from space like it's a crystal ball, and it had a title like, "Salvation:  What is the Pope's plan to save the economy?"  Just...what.

Oh well, these will have to do instead:

(http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/3/4/3/5/7/3/7/Epic-Quote-by-Pope-Francis-110779721524.jpeg)

(http://m5.paperblog.com/i/74/747535/quote-of-the-day-this-pope-on-unfettered-capi-L-DgdK3b.jpeg)

Says the guy who profits off of AIDS sufferers in Africa and is sitting on a good $10 billion or more worth of wealth (at least!)...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2014, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: D on March 08, 2014, 02:35:13 PM
I don't give a fuck what you believe. If you don't think this is some psychotic evil shit, there's something wrong with you.

(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/q71/s720x720/1898269_624762930927256_1666784673_n.jpg)
On the one hand, it strikes me as Poe's Law, but on the other, anyone who remembers this super fail from VenomFangX:

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definitely wouldn't put it past the crazier Creationists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on March 08, 2014, 07:09:49 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2014, 10:53:55 AM
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All are from MaoistRebelNews2.

Hmmm...somebody who doesn't listen to reason and keeps repeating the same debunked bullshit. Now why does this sound so familiar...

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 09, 2014, 11:49:00 PM
As a victim of child abuse for 14 years, shit like this pisses me off.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1/1975040_831655196860990_1263365113_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 10, 2014, 01:23:28 PM
https://www.facebook.com/BanGmoSalt
Please tell me this is a joke/Poe's Law.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 10, 2014, 01:48:31 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 10, 2014, 01:23:28 PM
https://www.facebook.com/BanGmoSalt
Please tell me this is a joke/Poe's Law.

Does salt even have DNA to modify?

Also, wouldn't be GM salt? Or GM corn or whatever? Saying Genetically Modified Organism, then naming the organism sounds redundant to me.

Also, I'm not entirely sure salt IS an organism, per se.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 10, 2014, 04:17:06 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 10, 2014, 01:23:28 PM
https://www.facebook.com/BanGmoSalt
Please tell me this is a joke/Poe's Law.

It's a joke; they ironically post bogus articles.

Quote from: dallen68 on March 10, 2014, 01:48:31 PM
Does salt even have DNA to modify?

Nope. Just sodium chloride.

QuoteAlso, I'm not entirely sure salt IS an organism, per se.

It's not an organism in ANY way.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 10, 2014, 04:21:23 PM
This, on the other hand, is quite real:

(http://www.mnn.com/sites/default/files/user/130154/non-gmo-rock-salt_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 10, 2014, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 10, 2014, 04:21:23 PM
This, on the other hand, is quite real:

(http://www.mnn.com/sites/default/files/user/130154/non-gmo-rock-salt_1.jpg)
It's like I say to Hawkeye and D:  Can we all please just admit that this anti-GMO stuff is a scam?  Same with the 'all natural,' 'Gluten Free,' and 'organic' food already.  This is all just a marketing ploy & gimmick, people.  Nothing more.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 10, 2014, 06:20:16 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 10, 2014, 04:21:23 PM
This, on the other hand, is quite real:

(http://www.mnn.com/sites/default/files/user/130154/non-gmo-rock-salt_1.jpg)

Where is that being made?  The text is anomalously formed for a native speaker.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 10, 2014, 06:47:27 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1795778_742478445776521_562635623_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 10, 2014, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 10, 2014, 06:20:16 PM
Where is that being made?  The text is anomalously formed for a native speaker.

its (supposedly) from India (the Himalayas area). Not that it matters, since pink salt (actually, reddish), is pretty common.

this must have quite some iron in it, which explains the color (this one isn't really "pink", but that is what such is called: it really ranges from off white to blood red)

also, the packer's a dumbass: when naming a mineral, you never put the descriptive adjectives in the middle, but in the beginning. Therefore "rock pink salt", should really be "pink rock salt".

and how is this a "non GMO product"? Salt is a mineral--not a life form! how can it be genetically modified? I'd love to see the breeding program involved  ::)

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 10, 2014, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on March 10, 2014, 07:31:20 PM
its (supposedly) from India (the Himalayas area). Not that it matters, since pink salt (actually, reddish), is pretty common.

also, the packer's a dumbass: when naming a mineral, you never put the descriptive adjectives in the middle, but in the beginning. Therefore "rock pink salt", should really be "pink rock salt".

OK, this is a plausible error for the region, where it is quite likely that English is spoken, but not all that well.  The error you point out is precisely what caused me to ask the origin of the salt.  (While lots of people in India speak excellent English, they are not particularly likely to be working in the salt industry in the northernmost reaches of the country.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 10, 2014, 11:57:19 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 10, 2014, 10:12:34 PM
OK, this is a plausible error for the region, where it is quite likely that English is spoken, but not all that well.  The error you point out is precisely what caused me to ask the origin of the salt.  (While lots of people in India speak excellent English, they are not particularly likely to be working in the salt industry in the northernmost reaches of the country.)

According to Ethnologue, English is the primary official language of India.

source

http://www.ethnologue.com/country/IN/default/%2A%2A%2AEDITION%2A%2A%2A (http://www.ethnologue.com/country/IN/default/%2A%2A%2AEDITION%2A%2A%2A)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on March 11, 2014, 12:02:12 AM
http://chaosbeckoning.tumblr.com/post/79124938146/neil-degrasse-tyson-can-go-fuck-himself

QuoteNeil deGrasse Tyson can go fuck himself!

I just finished watching the first installment of the new Cosmos series headed by Neil deGrasse Tyson. And, today, today I feel less than dirt. Here we have this man talking about how miniscule we are, how beautiful out civilization is, how our destiny is within one another & space(through science). And I think.. I think, what the fuck is this asshole talking about?

Here he is, he had a notable scientist, Carl Sagan, as a role model/mentor, he had something to aspire to, and he's sharing the dream of his predecessor, the dream he made his own with us all, and it's a beautiful dream.

But, I have a greater dream than Carl Sagan & Neil deGrasse Tyson. I dream of a world where women like me will not have our identities contested and mocked by society at large. I dream of a day when we have role models, when we have the resources necessary for our survival as human beings, and when society thinks more of us. A future where marginalized people are exactly where they are today is no future I want anything to do with, and I see these people, these capitalists, these big thinkers, thinking beyond our planet, beyond our society, and where we never come up.

I'll be honest. I am sick to my stomach right now. I'm frustrated because there are people like Neil deGrasse Tyson who advocate for focus on science, while not addressing small people concerns, such as roads being built, such as trans women like me getting the support we need to thrive in our society, where we question the value of human life over the almighty dollar.

Fuck that. Fuck Neil deGrasse Tyson, and fuck Cosmos.

Nothing outdoes the crazy of fundies than the SJWs!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 11, 2014, 04:35:55 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 10, 2014, 11:57:19 PM
According to Ethnologue, English is the primary official language of India.

source

http://www.ethnologue.com/country/IN/default/%2A%2A%2AEDITION%2A%2A%2A (http://www.ethnologue.com/country/IN/default/%2A%2A%2AEDITION%2A%2A%2A)

doesn't mean the inhabitants are all going to know how to speak  it well--not that it matters, since it doesn't have to be from India to be this botched a label.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 11, 2014, 06:18:07 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 10, 2014, 10:12:34 PM
OK, this is a plausible error for the region, where it is quite likely that English is spoken, but not all that well.  The error you point out is precisely what caused me to ask the origin of the salt.  (While lots of people in India speak excellent English, they are not particularly likely to be working in the salt industry in the northernmost reaches of the country.)

So, these guys put a non-GMO label on f'in' SALT, and you're more worried about the order of the adjectives?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2014, 09:29:45 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 11, 2014, 06:18:07 AM
So, these guys put a non-GMO label on f'in' SALT, and you're more worried about the order of the adjectives?
I know right?  Reminds me of #4 on this (not fail):

(http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/ob//internet_graphic1.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2014, 10:55:27 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-i-didnt-know-about-health-care-until-i-got-sick/
#5 is very telling just by the title alone.  Yeah, you'd be surprised how frozen in time things are when government gets involved.  Fail because he doesn't point out the elephant in the room of govco's involvement.  Hell, that's just going by the titles (and my Ctrl + f searchs for "government" and "state" turning up negative) alone.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2014, 10:57:12 AM
And while I'm on the cracked.com fail bit:  http://www.cracked.com/article_20953_5-horrifying-ways-ex-can-ruin-your-life-with-nude-photos.html
Epic fail for considering "positive change" getting even more govco involved in this crap.  Because that totally doesn't backfire, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 11, 2014, 02:42:00 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2014, 10:57:12 AM
And while I'm on the cracked.com fail bit:  http://www.cracked.com/article_20953_5-horrifying-ways-ex-can-ruin-your-life-with-nude-photos.html
Epic fail for considering "positive change" getting even more govco involved in this crap.  Because that totally doesn't backfire, right?

They should get some cred back for this bit: "The cops said I could call them if it happens again," she said, "But how does that help? ... 'Sorry, sir, please don't rape me for five minutes while I dial 911'?"

Personally, I think the way to end revenge porn is for people to stop caring about it, which I think will be fixed in the next generation. Get those prudish, hypocritical baby-boomers all died off and all sorts of things will get better!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 11, 2014, 03:23:42 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 11, 2014, 02:42:00 PM
Personally, I think the way to end revenge porn is for people to stop caring about it, which I think will be fixed in the next generation. Get those prudish, hypocritical baby-boomers all died off and all sorts of things will get better!

Actually, that would solve a lot of things, or at least greatly reduce the impact. Imagine the school massacres that wouldn't happen if people outside of Colorado had never heard of Colombine. Or how many bombings wouldn't happen if nobody knew about Tim McVeigh. I suppose the list goes on, and now that I've said it, it may be my point is slightly different than yours.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 11, 2014, 03:39:24 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 11, 2014, 03:23:42 PM
Actually, that would solve a lot of things, or at least greatly reduce the impact. Imagine the school massacres that wouldn't happen if people outside of Colorado had never heard of Colombine. Or how many bombings wouldn't happen if nobody knew about Tim McVeigh. I suppose the list goes on, and now that I've said it, it may be my point is slightly different than yours.

The people who do those things have other motivations. The motivation behind revenge porn is specifically the knowledge that people will shame the person in the picture or video. If that shame never happens, the revenge porn never happens, or if it does, no harm comes from it.

With a mass shooting, you still have dead people either way.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 11, 2014, 03:50:49 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 11, 2014, 03:39:24 PM
The people who do those things have other motivations. The motivation behind revenge porn is specifically the knowledge that people will shame the person in the picture or video. If that shame never happens, the revenge porn never happens, or if it does, no harm comes from it.

With a mass shooting, you still have dead people either way.

Okay, but if there's no chance of getting famous (or infamous) for said dead people, I think it would demotivate a lot of people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on March 11, 2014, 03:57:56 PM
http://gawker.com/insane-new-education-reform-would-require-kids-to-learn-1541404172

This is an excellent article on an excellent school that is actually doing something right by--gasp!--forcing children to learn rather than pushing them into the next grade.

However, I made the mistake, as I normally do, of reading the comments (http://gawker.com/step-two-get-rid-of-standardized-testing-for-funding-1541467942):

QuoteStep two: get rid of standardized testing for funding. Step three: hire more teachers and monitor results locally. Step four: defund private schools. Issue an excise tax on private education and homeschooling.

Ya the ideas are crazy. but I'm not in charge... Yet.

And his reasoning (http://gawker.com/we-want-to-tax-the-rich-more-thats-the-main-issue-with-1541486449) for this BS?

QuoteWe want to tax the rich more. That's the main issue with private schools, they are rich havens. If possible I would tax them out of existence. Private schools go to further the disparity gap in America. Luxury items should be heavily taxed.

This dumbass is putting the cart before the horse. He sees how poorly public school are performing, then sees parents sending their children to public schools, and deduces that the latter caused the former, when the exact opposite is true. Our schools are not doing poorly because parents send their children to private school: parents send their children to private school because our public schools are doing poorly.

And the majority of parents sending their children to private school are not rich. At best, they are upper-middle class; at worst, they're working poor working several jobs just to give their children a better education.

It's bad enough that parents have to pay for public education alongside private tuition, but this ass wants to add a tax on that?! Freak that noise! Freak it in the flank!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 11, 2014, 05:36:49 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 11, 2014, 03:57:56 PM
http://gawker.com/insane-new-education-reform-would-require-kids-to-learn-1541404172

This is an excellent article on an excellent school that is actually doing something right by--gasp!--forcing children to learn rather than pushing them into the next grade.

I never agreed with the whole next-grade thing anyway. It makes sense for subjects to have grade levels, but if someone fails 5th grade math but does well in the other subjects, don't hold him back in those! Hold him back in math and advance him in the rest. Let students progress in each subject at their own pace.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 11, 2014, 06:15:50 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 11, 2014, 05:36:49 PM
I never agreed with the whole next-grade thing anyway. It makes sense for subjects to have grade levels, but if someone fails 5th grade math but does well in the other subjects, don't hold him back in those! Hold him back in math and advance him in the rest. Let students progress in each subject at their own pace.

The difficulty with this is no school system wants to have kids under about 12 to not all be in the same class for the whole school year. Once you reach high school, the way you describe is precisely how it works (or, at least, how it works in places that don't have a 'you may not fail any student for any reason' policy).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 11, 2014, 06:21:10 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 11, 2014, 06:18:07 AM
So, these guys put a non-GMO label on f'in' SALT, and you're more worried about the order of the adjectives?

be just Shane: I mentioned that part explicitly (and even made a sarcastic joke about it). I was just answering his question as well, since he asked.

in fact when I posted it on facebook, I didn't mention the grammar, but the "non-GMO" part:

https://www.facebook.com/Shujinko1990
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 11, 2014, 06:22:58 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 11, 2014, 06:15:50 PM
The difficulty with this is no school system wants to have kids under about 12 to not all be in the same class for the whole school year. Once you reach high school, the way you describe is precisely how it works (or, at least, how it works in places that don't have a 'you may not fail any student for any reason' policy).

Well, only to an extent. I know that at the high school I went to, if you failed two classes or more you were held back regardless. Either that or, if you somehow managed to cut a deal with the school, you were put into an in between grade. In our school, it was actually most common with freshmen becoming sophomores. Usually they were labeled "freshmore." It was kind of weird actually. They would remain in this sort of limbo until they got just enough credits in the middle of the year to become full fledged sophomores.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 11, 2014, 11:19:15 PM
Quote from: D on March 11, 2014, 06:22:58 PM
Well, only to an extent. I know that at the high school I went to, if you failed two classes or more you were held back regardless. Either that or, if you somehow managed to cut a deal with the school, you were put into an in between grade. In our school, it was actually most common with freshmen becoming sophomores. Usually they were labeled "freshmore." It was kind of weird actually. They would remain in this sort of limbo until they got just enough credits in the middle of the year to become full fledged sophomores.

I believe most US high schools classify students according to the number of credits earned, as opposed to age groups like in primary school, so it is entirely possible to be a 19 year old Freshman.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 12, 2014, 08:27:33 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 11, 2014, 11:19:15 PM
I believe most US high schools classify students according to the number of credits earned, as opposed to age groups like in primary school, so it is entirely possible to be a 19 year old Freshman.

Here in Ontario, we don't really have that kind of division among high school (or university) students, although you are expected to take certain courses in certain years, and there are all kinds of prerequisites. There's no such things as being 'held back' in an Ontario high school, you just can't graduate until you get the required credits.

Unfortunately, there's also no such thing as being 'held back' in grade school, either. Teachers have been fired for trying to hold back students who haven't learned the material.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 12, 2014, 09:26:50 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 12, 2014, 08:27:33 AM
Here in Ontario, we don't really have that kind of division among high school (or university) students, although you are expected to take certain courses in certain years, and there are all kinds of prerequisites. There's no such things as being 'held back' in an Ontario high school, you just can't graduate until you get the required credits.

Unfortunately, there's also no such thing as being 'held back' in grade school, either. Teachers have been fired for trying to hold back students who haven't learned the material.

Can they age out?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 12, 2014, 01:59:41 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 12, 2014, 09:26:50 AM
Can they age out?

Sort of.  Once they are old enough, they are allowed to drop out of high school, but they can only get the diploma if they have enough credits and fulfill all the requirements.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 12, 2014, 03:29:58 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 12, 2014, 01:59:41 PM
Sort of.  Once they are old enough, they are allowed to drop out of high school, but they can only get the diploma if they have enough credits and fulfill all the requirements.

Right, but in some places the school can drop the student after a certain age, or transfer them to an alternate program. Is that the case there? I think it's something to do with how the law is written in each location - Like, some state's laws say "12 years of public instruction" and others say "public instruction up to age 18" (or whatever the age happens to be). In the former, students are allowed to keep trying until they finish, in the later there is (theoretically) the possibility of being dismissed for lack of achievement.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 12, 2014, 03:37:52 PM
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-march-11-2014/exclusive---andrew-napolitano-extended-interview-pt--1?xrs=share_copy
Wow, Stewart! The murdering, torture, and illegal arrest of thousands of innocent people is perfectly ok in your mind.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 12, 2014, 04:06:23 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 12, 2014, 03:37:52 PM
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-march-11-2014/exclusive---andrew-napolitano-extended-interview-pt--1?xrs=share_copy
Wow, Stewart! The murdering, torture, and illegal arrest of thousands of innocent people is perfectly ok in your mind.

And also, he apparently thinks that morality can change the laws of economics.

EDIT: Finished watching it. He should have told Stewart that Robert E. Lee was an Abolitionist and watched his head go asplodey!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 12, 2014, 10:21:07 PM
QuoteI have always been of the opinion that without a fiduciary system you are relegated to barter anyway. Before the fed, money was back by gold and silver. That is to say that money was literally a note for gold/silver which could be redeemed at any time for gold/silver. (So you were bartering gold/silver for goods). Many anarcho-communists believe that there would have to be an interstitial period of mutualism (workers retain all of what they produce) + a barter economy in place. I am of that opinion. Like I've said a million times. Anarchism was a political philosophy founded on worker's rights. You have yet to convince me that anarcho-capitalism even deigns to consider the issue from the vantage of the worker. But it does make me giggle to fantasize about owning a herd of ancaps to dance and juggle for my amusement. I could still be convinced this anarcho-capitalism is in my best interests. How much does an ancap go for on the free market?

anyone care to take a crack?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 12, 2014, 10:47:57 PM
http://bamboocorefitness.com/half-of-your-body-weight-in-ounces-of-water-per-day-are-you-drinking-enough/
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/blogs/eat-run/2013/09/13/the-truth-about-how-much-water-you-should-really-drink

Fail for the severe lack of evidence for those claims.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 12, 2014, 11:58:32 PM
Quote from: tnu on March 12, 2014, 10:21:07 PM
anyone care to take a crack?

So...gold was a popular trading medium therefore how much could I buy an ancap for, lol?

What brand of insecticide was this guy huffing?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 13, 2014, 02:12:26 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 12, 2014, 11:58:32 PM
So...gold was a popular trading medium therefore how much could I buy an ancap for, lol?

What brand of insecticide was this guy huffing?

He's an ancom who believes in a moneyless society based on Barter.

Oh here we go


http://www.alternet.org/economy/3-things-make-libertarian-heads-explode?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

not one of these again
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 13, 2014, 08:51:27 AM
Quote from: tnu on March 12, 2014, 10:21:07 PM
anyone care to take a crack?

He simply doesn't understand what "barter" means. The whole point of using gold was that it was a universal store of value and medium of exchange, so you don't HAVE to barter. You would only be bartering for the gold if you wanted the gold for something other than its use for making economic exchanges.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 13, 2014, 08:53:07 AM
Quote from: tnu on March 13, 2014, 02:12:26 AM
He's an ancom who believes in a moneyless society based on Barter.

So, he wants you to ONLY be able to purchase something from someone who happens to have what you need.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 13, 2014, 09:01:48 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 12, 2014, 03:29:58 PM
Right, but in some places the school can drop the student after a certain age, or transfer them to an alternate program. Is that the case there? I think it's something to do with how the law is written in each location - Like, some state's laws say "12 years of public instruction" and others say "public instruction up to age 18" (or whatever the age happens to be). In the former, students are allowed to keep trying until they finish, in the later there is (theoretically) the possibility of being dismissed for lack of achievement.

As I read the current regulations on the matter (http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/document/policy/os/ONSchools.pdf (http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/document/policy/os/ONSchools.pdf)) it appears there is no limit to how long a person can take to complete the diploma requirements, and a person who didn't and dropped out can always return later to finish them, or to complete required courses for post-secondary education, apprenticeships, etc. I don't seem to be able to find anything that says a person can be required to do so through the Adult Education services of the school board instead of regular classes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 14, 2014, 12:28:12 AM
(https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/p320x320/1239391_10151997281105679_1539449868_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 14, 2014, 01:26:24 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 14, 2014, 12:28:12 AM
(https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/p320x320/1239391_10151997281105679_1539449868_n.jpg)

number of minimum wage jobs increased.

WELL DUH? It's illegal to pay anyone bellow that so OF COURSE they are going to grow.

What about the jobs that used to pay bellow the minimum?

As they say a good economist looks at the seen AND the unseen of a policy. A bad economist looks only at the seen
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 14, 2014, 01:35:20 AM
(https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/1535000_726736014027549_976514354_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on March 14, 2014, 02:03:06 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 14, 2014, 12:28:12 AM
(https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/p320x320/1239391_10151997281105679_1539449868_n.jpg)

Sure. Why did San Jose need to increase the minimum wage to get that result?

Unfortunately, I couldn't find the source for this graphic's claims, but I did find an interesting study (http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/lfmonth/sjos$pds.pdf) which shows (among other things) that both CA and US unemployment went down over the past year at roughly the same rate as San Jose. Moreover, unemployment has been going down (http://www.homefacts.com/unemployment/California/Santa-Clara-County/San-Jose.html) since it peaked in 2009. So why did San Jose need to increase the minimum wage last year to reduce unemployment when (1) the rest of the country didn't, and (2) it was already going down?

Based on this data, I'm thinking that if I saw this graphic's source, I'd see similar trends with the "minimum wage jobs" and "businesses created" the graphic mentions. Or, just as likely, I wouldn't see comparative state/country data at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on March 14, 2014, 02:50:07 PM
I HATE this commercial.

[yt]BE5b6VBHUTE[/yt]

GOG.

The fail itself is nothing which hasn't been mentioned before. No, my problem with this ad is that it plays regularly at my place of work (It's one of the lobby ads at my movie theater), and I know it's going to keep playing for at least another month.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 14, 2014, 05:46:32 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on March 14, 2014, 02:03:06 AM
Sure. Why did San Jose need to increase the minimum wage to get that result?

Unfortunately, I couldn't find the source for this graphic's claims, but I did find an interesting study (http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/lfmonth/sjos$pds.pdf) which shows (among other things) that both CA and US unemployment went down over the past year at roughly the same rate as San Jose. Moreover, unemployment has been going down (http://www.homefacts.com/unemployment/California/Santa-Clara-County/San-Jose.html) since it peaked in 2009. So why did San Jose need to increase the minimum wage last year to reduce unemployment when (1) the rest of the country didn't, and (2) it was already going down?

Based on this data, I'm thinking that if I saw this graphic's source, I'd see similar trends with the "minimum wage jobs" and "businesses created" the graphic mentions. Or, just as likely, I wouldn't see comparative state/country data at all.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, in December 2013 (the last month complete information is available for both the United States in general, and San Jose specifically):

The United States had an (official) unemployment rate of 6.7%
San Jose had an (official) unemployment rate of 5.8%

In the terms these people speak, that's not an insignificant difference.

San Jose was holding steady between September and November, 2013, and then unemployment dropped almost a full point in December, suggesting to me that possibly some seasonal work became available.

The leisure and hospitality industry (where the majority of minimum was jobs are) had been relatively steady since at least July, 2012 until October and November 2013, where the number of jobs went down 2 points, meaning approximately 2,000 jobs were lost.

In conclusion, the poster is incorrect. While the total number of jobs in San Jose did go up during that period, at a higher rate than the national average rate, minimum wage-specific jobs did indeed go down.

sources:

http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.ca_sanjose_msa.htm (http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.ca_sanjose_msa.htm)
http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.us.htm (http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.us.htm)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 14, 2014, 05:50:03 PM
Unemployment's been going down because people get discouraged and stop looking for work, not because there are more jobs out there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 14, 2014, 07:46:20 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 14, 2014, 05:50:03 PM
Unemployment's been going down because people get discouraged and stop looking for work, not because there are more jobs out there.

pretty much.

I wonder what the rate would be if we counted people who just said "fuck it"....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on March 14, 2014, 09:06:33 PM
[yt]VyDVSdM3gs8[/yt]

Ryan doesn't seem to grasp what freedom is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 14, 2014, 09:54:08 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 14, 2014, 09:06:33 PM
[yt]VyDVSdM3gs8[/yt]

Ryan doesn't seem to grasp what freedom is.

By a UniversalPotentate

QuoteThe Libertarian view of Freedom means their ability to behave however they want to whomever they want. It's basically being a child without parents.
The rest of us understand that rules are good but not every rule is good. Those who have nothing to lose are Libertarian. Those with a lot to lose are conservative. Those who have adapted to the existing order are the establishment. Those who are thinking of themselves but unlike the rest of these assholes can also think about others are progressives.
Yes, we progressives like opportunity. Opportunity is a threat to lawlessness, hierarchy and the status quo.



Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 14, 2014, 10:27:56 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on March 14, 2014, 07:46:20 PM
pretty much.

I wonder what the rate would be if we counted people who just said "fuck it"....

An interesting question.

I once looked up Norway in the CIA World Factbook, and discovered (along with the fact that Norway's oil reserves are far lower than the normal standard for an oil producing country) that if you count up all the people who don't have jobs and ought to be able to have jobs, it's somewhere between 9% and 43%. The spread is so large because there was a listing of multiple classifications of people who didn't have jobs, and no indication of how much the classifications overlap. (For instance, how many of the officially disabled, of which Norway has a higher proportion than any other country in Europe, are also on welfare.) The 9%, btw, is just what Norway acknowledges as unemployed. They don't count most of the people without jobs as unemployed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 14, 2014, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 14, 2014, 10:27:56 PM
An interesting question.

I once looked up Norway in the CIA World Factbook, and discovered (along with the fact that Norway's oil reserves are far lower than the normal standard for an oil producing country) that if you count up all the people who don't have jobs and ought to be able to have jobs, it's somewhere between 9% and 43%. The spread is so large because there was a listing of multiple classifications of people who didn't have jobs, and no indication of how much the classifications overlap. (For instance, how many of the officially disabled, of which Norway has a higher proportion than any other country in Europe, are also on welfare.) The 9%, btw, is just what Norway acknowledges as unemployed. They don't count most of the people without jobs as unemployed.

This reminds me of the people who say Cuba has lower mortality rate than the US. Because Cubans don't count their infant mortality rate the same way the US does
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 15, 2014, 01:55:34 PM
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5585611/
So how many things can you spot wrong with this journal entry (grammar and spelling aside, I mean)?

Basically, he grew up with an alcoholic father who was abusive and/or with just a mother.  He went to a catholic school in the inner city, and fumed when a kid who was spanked/paddled by one of the nuns called his (drunk dad) to confront the nun.  The man hit her and the author of the journal hated that (and basically defended the spankings he got from them too ("I deserved it.").  And said, "never EVER hit a girl."

Better idea, OP.  How about "Never EVER hit ANYONE unless in a case of neccesity/pure self defense."?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 15, 2014, 08:28:33 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 15, 2014, 01:55:34 PM
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5585611/
So how many things can you spot wrong with this journal entry (grammar and spelling aside, I mean)?

Basically, he grew up with an alcoholic father who was abusive and/or with just a mother.  He went to a catholic school in the inner city, and fumed when a kid who was spanked/paddled by one of the nuns called his (drunk dad) to confront the nun.  The man hit her and the author of the journal hated that (and basically defended the spankings he got from them too ("I deserved it.").  And said, "never EVER hit a girl."

Better idea, OP.  How about "Never EVER hit ANYONE unless in a case of neccesity/pure self defense."?

Unless they are Chris Brown. JK.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 16, 2014, 01:57:25 PM
So something I've heard from Menno Henselmans (the Bayesian Bodybuilding bloke), Armi Legge (The Evidence Magazine guy), and even my psychology/sociology professor that is a fail:

"If our findings were repeated consistently for years — even decades — and we were able to logically explain any odd results, we could call our theory a fact (an idea with the highest level of certainty)."

Last I checked, "theory" not "fact" is the highest level of certainty in science because it will include facts in it.  Like gravity.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 16, 2014, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 16, 2014, 01:57:25 PM
So something I've heard from Menno Henselmans (the Bayesian Bodybuilding bloke), Armi Legge (The Evidence Magazine guy), and even my psychology/sociology professor that is a fail:

"If our findings were repeated consistently for years — even decades — and we were able to logically explain any odd results, we could call our theory a fact (an idea with the highest level of certainty)."

Last I checked, "theory" not "fact" is the highest level of certainty in science because it will include facts in it.  Like gravity.

Yes. A theory is an explanation of the available facts, most often referred to as data. However, gravity is a theory that explains the fact that mass tends to go toward other mass at certain predictable rates.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on March 17, 2014, 10:12:00 PM
http://www.saddlebackresources.com/Wide-Angle-Framing-Your-Worldview-1-DVD-with-Chuck-Colson-and-Rick-Warren-P2432.aspx

My business ethics professor is using this in our class. She thought our textbook was too secular.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on March 18, 2014, 12:06:42 AM
If someone were to tell you that gay men only "choose" to be homosexual because they hate women, and that women choose to become involved in porn because they hate themselves, chances are you would assume that person to be a fundamentalist Christian.

Nope!

Turns out it's a radical feminist (https://31.media.tumblr.com/27afa53906633a9fa753aa9fa991523d/tumblr_inline_myokhdGtCC1rfmofz.png):

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/27afa53906633a9fa753aa9fa991523d/tumblr_inline_myokhdGtCC1rfmofz.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 18, 2014, 09:59:45 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 18, 2014, 12:06:42 AM
If someone were to tell you that gay men only "choose" to be homosexual because they hate women, and that women choose to become involved in porn because they hate themselves, chances are you would assume that person to be a fundamentalist Christian.

Nope!

Turns out it's a radical feminist (https://31.media.tumblr.com/27afa53906633a9fa753aa9fa991523d/tumblr_inline_myokhdGtCC1rfmofz.png):

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/27afa53906633a9fa753aa9fa991523d/tumblr_inline_myokhdGtCC1rfmofz.png)
....Are you fucking shitting me?  Good lord feminists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 18, 2014, 10:57:46 AM
http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/How-Science-Denialists-React-To-Different-Topics-440810230

The fail is a fellow by the name of FlipswitchMANDERING in the comments.

Folks, seriously.  GMO does not mean what you think it means.  Do some damn research!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 18, 2014, 11:42:20 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 18, 2014, 10:57:46 AM
http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/How-Science-Denialists-React-To-Different-Topics-440810230

The fail is a fellow by the name of FlipswitchMANDERING in the comments.

Folks, seriously.  GMO does not mean what you think it means.  Do some damn research!

Wow, did he call Norman Borlaug a "scumbag Dupont scientist"?

He also doesn't realize that there's no such thing as a "cod fish gene" or anything like that. Genes are genes. The only difference is, it's being done in a controlled manner instead of haphazardly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 18, 2014, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 18, 2014, 11:42:20 AM
Wow, did he call Norman Borlaug a "scumbag Dupont scientist"?

He also doesn't realize that there's no such thing as a "cod fish gene" or anything like that. Genes are genes. The only difference is, it's being done in a controlled manner instead of haphazardly.
Indeed.  These anti-GMO/hippy dipshits are the creationists of the left in terms of their understanding of biology.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 18, 2014, 03:04:27 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 18, 2014, 11:42:20 AM
Wow, did he call Norman Borlaug a "scumbag Dupont scientist"?

He also doesn't realize that there's no such thing as a "cod fish gene" or anything like that. Genes are genes. The only difference is, it's being done in a controlled manner instead of haphazardly.

I mean, if there really was some great risk of accidentally creating some deadly mutation that would kill us all, wouldn't we be in FAR more danger of that happening from selective breeding than lab splicing?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 18, 2014, 03:07:37 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 18, 2014, 03:04:27 PM
I mean, if there really was some great risk of accidentally creating some deadly mutation that would kill us all, wouldn't we be in FAR more danger of that happening from selective breeding than lab splicing?
^QFT
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 18, 2014, 03:40:12 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 18, 2014, 02:19:11 PM
Indeed.  These anti-GMO/hippy dipshits are the creationists of the left in terms of their understanding of biology.

They're not infrequently the same as the animal right's activists, who make claims about biology that could only be true if Creationism was true.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 18, 2014, 04:21:08 PM
http://blip.tv/nostalgiacritic/nc-top-11-things-you-never-noticed-about-ghostbusters-6776493
#1 Really, Doug?!?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 18, 2014, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 18, 2014, 04:21:08 PM
http://blip.tv/nostalgiacritic/nc-top-11-things-you-never-noticed-about-ghostbusters-6776493
#1 Really, Doug?!?

The guy who actually causes the disaster is 100% right in what he's doing...Interesting theory.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 18, 2014, 04:52:30 PM
That being said, they did have portable reactors on their backs that could've pulverized a few city blocks at least if they'd blown up.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 18, 2014, 05:18:57 PM
And, of course, the proton packs didn't bear a warning label reading "Don't cross the streams."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 18, 2014, 05:57:35 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 18, 2014, 04:21:08 PM
http://blip.tv/nostalgiacritic/nc-top-11-things-you-never-noticed-about-ghostbusters-6776493
#1 Really, Doug?!?

What is it?  Bliptv doesn't like me because I use adblock
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on March 18, 2014, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 18, 2014, 05:57:35 PM
What is it?  Bliptv doesn't like me because I use adblock

the EPA guy in ghostbusters was 100% right because they were using nuclear whatevers. I can see why he thinks that, but i woulnd't say 100%
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 18, 2014, 06:41:14 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on March 18, 2014, 06:35:03 PM
the EPA guy in ghostbusters was 100% right because they were using nuclear whatevers. I can see why he thinks that, but i woulnd't say 100%

I'd imagine the proton packs would blow up if the government had them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on March 18, 2014, 06:50:33 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 18, 2014, 06:41:14 PM
I'd imagine they would proton packs would blow up if the government had them.

since this website doesnt have a like button, ill give you this thumbs up =b
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 18, 2014, 07:45:30 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 18, 2014, 03:40:12 PM
They're not infrequently the same as the animal right's activists, who make claims about biology that could only be true if Creationism was true.

There's no way that's because the animal rights activists very often are creationists.  ::)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 19, 2014, 07:56:25 AM
(https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/1978800_10151981616586674_2129506878_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 19, 2014, 08:58:26 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 19, 2014, 07:56:25 AM
(https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/1978800_10151981616586674_2129506878_n.jpg)

And have a completely different corporate hand in your pocket...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 19, 2014, 12:40:49 PM
"It's a/every woman's prerogative to change her mind."--a few too many women...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 19, 2014, 02:37:38 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 18, 2014, 07:45:30 PM
There's no way that's because the animal rights activists very often are creationists.  ::)

Which leads me to wonder how many of them are also moon hoaxers, since at least one of the big professional moon hoax promoters also makes money promoting creationism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 19, 2014, 04:57:26 PM
http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/art/Human-Progress-Is-An-Illusion-353354995
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 19, 2014, 05:38:11 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 19, 2014, 04:57:26 PM
http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/art/Human-Progress-Is-An-Illusion-353354995

Sounds like a strawman to me. When did anyone ever say science would create a PERFECT world? It creates a world better than the one we had. It's not like thousands of years of religion did anything significant...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 19, 2014, 05:39:49 PM
Okay, this one NEEDS to be posted here:  "CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!"--Every SJW ever

Quote from: MrBogosity on March 19, 2014, 05:38:11 PM
Sounds like a strawman to me. When did anyone ever say science would create a PERFECT world? It creates a world better than the one we had. It's not like thousands of years of religion did anything significant...
Indeed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 19, 2014, 06:50:26 PM
More from IAB:

http://www.i-am-bored.com/forums.asp?action=read&ct=10&q_id=95693&read_page=1#

Quote
"The government has no constitutional authority to dictate the terms of private contracts."

The government has no constitutional authority, the government has no constitutional authority, the government has no constitutional authority.

Jesus, you sound like the crotchety old f.ucks I see ranting and raving at the courthouse.

Yes. No s.hit. They don't have the constitutional authority to do a lot of things because the constitution is a very small document.

S.hit has changed quite a bit in the last 250 years in case you haven't noticed. Get over it. PROGRESS. We aren't just a bunch of hillbillies with muskets living in logged cabins anymore.

It takes a few additional laws to make the society function.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 19, 2014, 08:03:01 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 18, 2014, 04:21:08 PM
http://blip.tv/nostalgiacritic/nc-top-11-things-you-never-noticed-about-ghostbusters-6776493
#1 Really, Doug?!?

If anyone hasn't seen it yet, here's the Youtube version:
[yt]tC8CtLhrExE[/yt]

Fun fact: I've never seen Ghostbusters or Ghostbusters 2 in full.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 19, 2014, 10:54:31 PM
Ok, I'm done with this asshole. Fuck this guy!
http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/03/19/i-guess-im-old-fashioned-but-i-wouldnt-let-my-son-wear-a-my-little-pony-backpack-to-school/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 20, 2014, 06:09:20 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 19, 2014, 10:54:31 PM
Ok, I'm done with this asshole. Fuck this guy!
http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/03/19/i-guess-im-old-fashioned-but-i-wouldnt-let-my-son-wear-a-my-little-pony-backpack-to-school/

"If the kid was literally assaulted by groups of boys, I find it hard to believe that none of the offenders have been punished." I don't. That was PRECISELY my experience being bullied in school: I got punished, the bullies got off scot-free.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 20, 2014, 09:26:29 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 20, 2014, 06:09:20 AM
"If the kid was literally assaulted by groups of boys, I find it hard to believe that none of the offenders have been punished." I don't. That was PRECISELY my experience being bullied in school: I got punished, the bullies got off scot-free.
But if we didn't have government schools, who would protect the kids being bullied!  Oh wait...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 20, 2014, 11:13:35 AM
Speaking of which, if there is one double standard that irks me it's this one:
"We NEED to take care of/be the keeper of the poor/sick/etc!"

and when this (and bad parents) fails as predictably as the fucking tides they goal post shift/hand wave with:

"Well, yes the education system/your parents/socialized healthcare failed you, but YOU have to take responsibility!"

Which is it, statists?  You can't have that both ways.  Choose.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 20, 2014, 11:14:27 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-annoying-things-parents-say-to-people-who-dont-have-kids/
Fail because of hypocrisy.  He's said at least #5 to many others before.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 20, 2014, 02:57:31 PM
http://zeiphex.deviantart.com/art/Anti-Art-Theft-Stamp-119472867

Even if the artist no longer has a copy of it, so *your* copy is the only one left?
Even if the artist is okay with you posting it?
Even if you give the artist credit in both the title *and* the description AND link to both said artist and their original submission?

IP is bogosity, OP, deal with it.  Plagiarism is one thing; though sometimes I even have doubts about that.  I mean, in college/university we were told using information from a previous report/work/etc we have done only without providing a reference/citation to said work is SELF plagiarism...um...WHAT?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 20, 2014, 04:25:18 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 20, 2014, 06:09:20 AM
"If the kid was literally assaulted by groups of boys, I find it hard to believe that none of the offenders have been punished." I don't. That was PRECISELY my experience being bullied in school: I got punished, the bullies got off scot-free.

Mine, too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 21, 2014, 01:48:51 AM
(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/1964982_668873753190264_1137415863_n.jpg)
Ugh!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on March 21, 2014, 04:11:35 PM
many of you are probably aware of the infamous "sparlock the wizard", but you might not have known that it was lesson 2 in a 10 lesson dvd for jehovas witnesses called Become Jehovah's Friend. Here is lesson 1

[yt]X5k2_KM6szU[/yt]

If it was just the first three minutes, was about empathy rather than obediance, and did not mention religion at all i would have givin it a passing grade personally. also the vaguely european father kinda reminds me of...

[yt]Plz-bhcHryc[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 21, 2014, 06:22:52 PM
[yt]i_0koX_T0VU[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 21, 2014, 06:31:40 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 21, 2014, 06:22:52 PM
[yt]i_0koX_T0VU[/yt]

So he would support all the african dictators just because they are black and not because of their policies. Can anyone smell hypocrisy?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 21, 2014, 09:10:25 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on March 21, 2014, 06:31:40 PM
So he would support all the african dictators just because they are black and not because of their policies. Can anyone smell hypocrisy?

Not to mention racism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 21, 2014, 10:30:25 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 21, 2014, 09:10:25 PM
Not to mention racism.

Fortunately, YouTube commenters are rather more on the ball than MSNBC is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on March 21, 2014, 11:40:48 PM
http://tottosgreatadventure.tumblr.com/post/80284194116/so-one-tumblr-user-thinks-its-okay-to-rape-an

I'm not sure what's worse: that a woman is only being jailed for less than a year for raping an 8-year-old boy over 50 times within two years (and she received such a light jail sentence because she has suffered embarrassment!), or that some radical feminists are actually defending her!
Quote"Why is she the aggressor and not the victim? Why does the male in this situation get a pass for what he did? Perhaps he wanted her to do it? Men are more sexually active at younger ages according to science....It seems consensual."

I'm sorry. I have to unleash some unbridled rage. If you'll excuse me, I'm going to run around my house swinging a baseball bat and screaming obscenities until my voice goes hoarse.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 21, 2014, 11:48:21 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 21, 2014, 11:40:48 PM
http://tottosgreatadventure.tumblr.com/post/80284194116/so-one-tumblr-user-thinks-its-okay-to-rape-an

I'm not sure what's worse: that a woman is only being jailed for less than a year for raping an 8-year-old boy over 50 times within two years (and she received such a light jail sentence because she has suffered embarrassment!), or that some radical feminists are actually defending her!
I'm sorry. I have to unleash some unbridled rage. If you'll excuse me, I'm going to run around my house swinging a baseball bat and screaming obscenities until my voice goes hoarse.
@The quote you posted:  PLEASE tell me that's a Poe.  Christ, SJW/feminists are worse than most other statists (with the possible exception of the warmongers, but then how many of them have you seen oppose the draft?)!  Who in turn are even worse than creationists, who tend the be the worst of the religious!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 22, 2014, 08:31:36 AM
"The Austrian School is unscientific/rejects empiricism!"--a few too many people

The few things I *have* heard from actual Austrian economists sounds less like that and more like, "If you want to do it that way, fine, but just make sure you do it right with proper regressions, and be aware of the contextual limitations too."  Which sounds rather PRO scientific and empirical.  Hell, that sounds like something you'd even hear a physicist/chemist/biologist/person in the hard sciences telling a creationist!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 22, 2014, 09:11:28 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 22, 2014, 08:31:36 AM
"The Austrian School is unscientific/rejects empiricism!"--a few too many people

The few things I *have* heard from actual Austrian economists sounds less like that and more like, "If you want to do it that way, fine, but just make sure you do it right with proper regressions, and be aware of the contextual limitations too."  Which sounds rather PRO scientific and empirical.  Hell, that sounds like something you'd even hear a physicist/chemist/biologist/person in the hard sciences telling a creationist!

They really say it because of two things: 1) Austrian economics points out that the Economic Calculation Problem puts limits on how much we can empirically know, and therefore how much we can control; 2) Austrian economics points out that, while we can make many predictions about what the results of economic policies might be, the TIMING of these events cannot be predicted with any degree of accuracy.

So they attack it on that basis. But if that is indeed the universe we live in--where it's impossible to get enough information and the timing is too chaotic to be predictable--then that is indeed what the science needs to say. I think the Austrians have done an excellent job showing that, indeed, this is how the universe works. All anyone else seems to be able to do is denigrate the Austrians for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 23, 2014, 09:47:29 AM
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The comments (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=840930705936381&set=a.485036291525826.124182.484754611553994&type=1) are just as bad.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 23, 2014, 12:06:28 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 23, 2014, 01:36:42 PM
My mom in response to doctors/etc trying to blame the mother for their kids having autism/etc: "You can blame us all you want but it is what it is."
Major cop out.

That being said, it was mainly in response to the "mother had mercury poisoning while pregnant" nonsense going around in the 1990s.  Which is complete bunk as I told her, given that heavy metal poisoning and autism are completely distinct as Shane has explained at least once.   And just so it's clear:  VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM!!!

As for the women/mothers who really *did* cause their children chronic problems (e.g. by smoking/drinking/etc while pregnant/breast-feeding/etc), saying "you can blame me if you like but it is what it is." would never hold up in a court of law (or at least a sane one), and they know it.  That's just ex post facto excuse making.  And yes, it is what it is.  But you'd be changing it with restitution in any sane court system, tyvm.  Just like any other criminal.  I mean, can you imagine a murderer saying "you can blame me all you want, but it is what it is" as his defense?  He'd be dead via the lynch mob--or at least get the book thrown at him before the day would be through.

I mean, I would bet my life that if a child pulled shit that permanently damaged the mother, they'd never accept that as an excuse either, so why should anyone else?

It's like me and Hawkeye always say: If you want to believe something, that's fine.  All I ask is that whatever you believe, you act according to it.  The thing I have no tolerance for is bullshitters.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 23, 2014, 01:44:15 PM
Quote from: D on March 23, 2014, 12:06:28 PM
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One of the problems with debunking those conspiracy theories is that #1 and #5 are quite similar to things that governments have done.  There was the infamous case of the black men in Tuskegee who were denied treatment for syphilis (while their government-employed doctors told them they had been treated) in order to study the long-term effects of the infection; and governments routinely dump all manner of toxic materials into the environment, for one famous example, Bill Clinton came out and admitted that there really is a secret airbase in Area 51, Nevada...so that he could declare that, as a government installation, it was covered by Sovereign Immunity from a law suit for health damage to former employees of the place caused by the pollution there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 23, 2014, 02:58:45 PM
Gentlemen, I present a post supporting minimum wage with buzzwords and appeals to emotion EVERYWHERE!

QuoteIf minimum wage laws are so bad than I guess other laws to protect employees should go to. Let's just clean out all those laws. Why hire a high school kid when someone in grade school will do the work for cheaper?

Minimum Wage exist to ensure that business do what they will not do on there own. $10 a hour for minimum wage is creating a living wage. As you started this is for students, rights? That includes college students some of whom don't live at home. They have to pay for college, pay insurance, pay for rent, and still buy food. Even if you live with other people that is extremely are to do on $7.25/hr

The minimum wage is supports to make sure people make a living wage that people who are working also don't need to get Welfare. How about we factor that in. That means for every business that refuses to pay a living wage we, the tax payer, or also paying them. People who work a Walmart and McDonald's receive food stamps. All tax payers our supplementing the pay of people who work at these places.

Your right that if someone does not have a college degree applies for a job they will win out over the High School grad but if those jobs were meant for people without degrees McDonald's could just not hire people as they are "over qualified". Any way you cut it this goes back to large company's that make more money than normally people can even picture not paying people a living wage when we all know then could.

As for at the College Professor... You know that does not mean a lot right? Even people like Sigmund Freud have had there work mostly debunked. It was a PhD level economist who came up with trickle-down economics and that has not worked. Yes, having a degree is important it does show you know a lot about the field you are in but it does not always mean you are right out that your thesis even presented as fact will play out like you say.

Human Greed is the issue here. We live in a state of social-economic inequality that we have not seen the great depression era. The more the people at the have the more they want. Human greed is why we need these laws. Because people will not do the right thing on there own sometimes. Once again with out those laws we would still have over a 40-hour work week with no over time and child labor would still be a thing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 23, 2014, 03:45:44 PM
Quote from: D on March 23, 2014, 02:58:45 PM
Gentlemen, I present a post supporting minimum wage with buzzwords and appeals to emotion EVERYWHERE!

I have to tell this economic illiterate this. Okay then raise the minimum wage to 1000/hr and let's see how many are able to keep their jobs.  Let's also see how much the cost of living goes up.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 23, 2014, 03:46:51 PM
Quote from: D on March 23, 2014, 02:58:45 PM
Gentlemen, I present a post supporting minimum wage with buzzwords and appeals to emotion EVERYWHERE!

And, of course, forgotten in all of that is that Minimum Wage laws DON'T WORK. Amazing how they keep skipping over that part, isn't it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 23, 2014, 04:25:25 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 23, 2014, 03:46:51 PM
And, of course, forgotten in all of that is that Minimum Wage laws DON'T WORK. Amazing how they keep skipping over that part, isn't it?
Indeed.  As I told D in response to that screed, 1) Many of these EBIL big corporations are already paying MORE than minimum wage to begin with. 2) So the OP's solution of them not having enough money to get by is to put them out of work, making $15/hour working at zero hours? 3)  If him and the other "LIVING WAGE!11" window breakers care that much, why don't they just donate/invest/give their own money?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 23, 2014, 05:40:57 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 23, 2014, 03:46:51 PM
And, of course, forgotten in all of that is that Minimum Wage laws DON'T WORK. Amazing how they keep skipping over that part, isn't it?

Well the guy basically held a "fuck you" attitude to the people who are hurt most by it, as if college students are somehow more deserving of jobs than people like me who chose not to go to high school, so I can't expect him to actually pay attention to little things like facts.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 23, 2014, 06:20:20 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on March 23, 2014, 03:45:44 PM
I have to tell this economic illiterate this. Okay then raise the minimum wage to 1000/hr and let's see how many are able to keep their jobs.  Let's also see how much the cost of living goes up.

*Bill Clinton Voice* " That would depend on what the value of 1000 is after we do that" I mean it doesn't mean much making 1000/hr if stuff like bread is 250,000.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 23, 2014, 06:48:15 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 23, 2014, 06:20:20 PM
*Bill Clinton Voice* " That would depend on what the value of 1000 is after we do that" I mean it doesn't mean much making 1000/hr if stuff like bread is 250,000.

bread was like 25 cents in 50s wasn't it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 23, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
I can't remember if a shared this before.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 23, 2014, 07:13:54 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 23, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
I can't remember if a shared this before.
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I had no idea that Humans were insects....you know, since BT is only harmful to insects...

and seriously, I'm sick and tired of people referencing that stupid paper that used those cancer rats.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 23, 2014, 07:14:09 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on March 23, 2014, 06:48:15 PM
bread was like 25 cents in 50s wasn't it?

This really handy suite of sites only goes back to 1960, but:

http://www.1960sflashback.com/1960/economy.asp

Cost of a new home:    $16,500.00
Cost of a first-class stamp:    $0.04
Cost of a gallon of regular gas:    $0.31
Cost of a dozen eggs:    $0.57
Cost of a gallon of Milk:    $0.49

You can go to whatever year you want, 1960 to present.

Here's one that covers bread by decade:

http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/70yearsofpricechange.html

Average Cost Loaf of Bread
1930 9 cents, 1940 10 cents, 1950 12 cents, 1960 22 cents, 1970 25 cents, 1980 50 cents, 1990 70 cents, 2008 $2.79, 2013 $1.98
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 23, 2014, 07:20:23 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 23, 2014, 07:14:09 PM
This really handy suite of sites only goes back to 1960, but:

http://www.1960sflashback.com/1960/economy.asp

Cost of a new home:    $16,500.00
Cost of a first-class stamp:    $0.04
Cost of a gallon of regular gas:    $0.31
Cost of a dozen eggs:    $0.57
Cost of a gallon of Milk:    $0.49

You can go to whatever year you want, 1960 to present.

Here's one that covers bread by decade:

http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/70yearsofpricechange.html

Average Cost Loaf of Bread
1930 9 cents, 1940 10 cents, 1950 12 cents, 1960 22 cents, 1970 25 cents, 1980 50 cents, 1990 70 cents, 2008 $2.79, 2013 $1.98
One more reason an inflationary fiat currency (are there any OTHER kinds of fiat currency?) sucks balls. T_T
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 24, 2014, 07:58:23 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 23, 2014, 07:14:09 PM
This really handy suite of sites only goes back to 1960, but:

http://www.1960sflashback.com/1960/economy.asp

Cost of a new home:    $16,500.00
Cost of a first-class stamp:    $0.04
Cost of a gallon of regular gas:    $0.31
Cost of a dozen eggs:    $0.57
Cost of a gallon of Milk:    $0.49

You can go to whatever year you want, 1960 to present.

Here's one that covers bread by decade:

http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/70yearsofpricechange.html

Average Cost Loaf of Bread
1930 9 cents, 1940 10 cents, 1950 12 cents, 1960 22 cents, 1970 25 cents, 1980 50 cents, 1990 70 cents, 2008 $2.79, 2013 $1.98

That quares with my memories, I recall a loaf of bread being 97 cents CANADIAN as recently as 1997.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 24, 2014, 03:39:35 PM
http://iacknowledge.net/hundreds-of-thousands-fill-the-streets-to-protest-austerity-in-madrid-spain/

http://m.washingtonpost.com/politics/attempts-to-reduce-wasteful-government-spending-show-austerity-is-a-hard-nut-to-crack/2013/12/27/f5dcebfc-681f-11e3-8b5b-a77187b716a3_story.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 24, 2014, 08:57:50 PM
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I don't get why people condemn this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 25, 2014, 01:28:20 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 24, 2014, 08:57:50 PM
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I don't get why people condemn this.

Not that I agree with any of the following, but:

1. Some people believe that if something is important enough to say, you need to say it to them, not text, call, or e-mail. These are usually the people hanging around Starbucks loudly complaining about everybody being on their smart phones.

2. Other people feel that it (texting) lacks the capability of showing the correct amount of empathy the situation requires.  Of course, in some cases, that may not be a bad thing, like when the person delivering the news lacks the capability of showing...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 25, 2014, 02:02:24 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 25, 2014, 01:28:20 AM
Not that I agree with any of the following, but:

1. Some people believe that if something is important enough to say, you need to say it to them, not text, call, or e-mail. These are usually the people hanging around Starbucks loudly complaining about everybody being on their smart phones.

2. Other people feel that it (texting) lacks the capability of showing the correct amount of empathy the situation requires.  Of course, in some cases, that may not be a bad thing, like when the person delivering the news lacks the capability of showing...

Or the person has a crappy phone plan that makes texting cheaper or said receiver is imfamous for not answering the phone i.e. my mother.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 25, 2014, 06:10:26 AM
Also, if it's something like an earthquake, they've found that the texts and tweets travel faster than the seismic waves, so people can get at least a LITTLE notice ahead of time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on March 25, 2014, 03:12:16 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/21blja/lhf_effort_ancaps_are_horrified_to_learn_that/

Lots of willful ignorance concerning libertarianism and anarchocapitalism here. Of particular note:

QuoteIt always cracks me up that ancaps and libertarians consistently express distaste of statists but are totally cool with people who own lots of property circling it with a fence and having complete control over it.

And:

QuoteCapitalism is extremely hierarchical. Property owners and bosses are types of rulers, so I think that makes property and capitalism incompatible with anarchism. Not to mention that it was anti-capitalist for over a hundred years before capitalists started calling them themselves anarchists despite having almost the opposite ideology. With anarchism based on a rejection of private property and other hierarchies, and ancap ideology based on absolute property rights, it's pretty hard to understand why they want to be called anarchists.

How do these people not understand property rights? You have a right to your body. You have a right to what your body produces. You have a right to defend that as well as your life and liberty. How can that not be any simpler?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 25, 2014, 03:15:06 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 25, 2014, 03:12:16 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/21blja/lhf_effort_ancaps_are_horrified_to_learn_that/

Lots of willful ignorance concerning libertarianism and anarchocapitalism here. Of particular note:

And:

How do these people not understand property rights? You have a right to your body. You have a right to what your body produces. You have a right to defend that as well as your life and liberty. How can that not be any simpler?
The first quote is also blatant projection.  THAT'S WHAT GOVERNMENT DOES!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 26, 2014, 06:37:27 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 26, 2014, 10:16:25 PM
Oh my god you can't make this shit up.

Khalil Reid says

Quotejust because he sent drones to kill kids and sold guns to cartels doesn't prove a thing.

And right on my youtube discussion page.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 26, 2014, 11:01:38 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on March 26, 2014, 10:16:25 PM
Oh my god you can't make this shit up.

Khalil Reid says

And right on my youtube discussion page.
Can't tell if OP is either trolling, a fucktard, or both.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 26, 2014, 11:27:44 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 26, 2014, 11:01:38 PM
Can't tell if OP is either trolling, a fucktard, or both.

:shrug: either way it's so bad that I am not going to dignify it with a response
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 26, 2014, 11:57:27 PM
The comments on this link
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=626945657386458&set=a.245163898897971.59595.244970388917322&type=1&permPage=1
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 27, 2014, 12:00:49 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on March 26, 2014, 10:16:25 PM
Oh my god you can't make this shit up.

Khalil Reid says

And right on my youtube discussion page.

judging from the name, there is a good chance he's being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 27, 2014, 09:25:33 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 26, 2014, 11:57:27 PM
The comments on this link
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=626945657386458&set=a.245163898897971.59595.244970388917322&type=1&permPage=1
A argument from feminists Morrakiu Annihilated with this win video:  [yt]gjrLXS4iXIU[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 27, 2014, 12:37:46 PM
So, I was transcribing an interview for some sort of "call a psycho homeopath" program Health Canada apparently has going on.

So, this "expert" was telling this woman how to treat tetanus.

Among the the things she says:

"Because we carry the tetanus bacteria in our guts, and it's common in our environment, many people develop a passive immunity." Then not a minute later, she says, "Since the disease is not known to impart immunity, vaccination is questionable." Firstly, if I understand correctly, since it is a bacterial infection, surviving it would impart some immunity, and vaccination is shown to be relatively effective. Secondly, if catching the disease won't give you immunity and being immunized won't give you immunity, than it logically follows that random environmental exposure won't either.

"Since antibodies don't begin to increase until four days after vaccination, vaccination at the time of infection is useless." Well, yeah, it's a tetanus vaccination, not a tetanus treatment. You have to have the vaccination BEFORE you're exposed to the disease, which is why it's administered on a fixed schedule, at least for those under 18. (You're actually supposed to get a booster every 10 years after that, but since you're not in school...)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 27, 2014, 12:52:55 PM
This is related to the "I got the flu vaccine and got sick from it" crapola. Since it can take days for the body to generate an immunity, if you were infected at the time or slightly earlier then guess what? You've got the flu. So "I got the flu vaccine and 3 days later I was sick" does NOT mean you got sick from the vaccine, as that isn't enough time for the vaccine to do ANYTHING, even if it DID make you sick (which it doesn't). It means you ALREADY HAD THE FLU.

And of course, if you get a flu strain that isn't one of the 3 or 4 included in the vaccine, then yes, you got the flu despite getting the vaccine. That's how it works!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 27, 2014, 02:43:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 27, 2014, 12:52:55 PM
This is related to the "I got the flu vaccine and got sick from it" crapola. Since it can take days for the body to generate an immunity, if you were infected at the time or slightly earlier then guess what? You've got the flu. So "I got the flu vaccine and 3 days later I was sick" does NOT mean you got sick from the vaccine, as that isn't enough time for the vaccine to do ANYTHING, even if it DID make you sick (which it doesn't). It means you ALREADY HAD THE FLU.

And of course, if you get a flu strain that isn't one of the 3 or 4 included in the vaccine, then yes, you got the flu despite getting the vaccine. That's how it works!
The one time I got a flu vaccine, I was sick for the next six months afterwards with a nasty cough. :(  The doctor told me I was probably allergic to the vaccine or something.  Hence, I haven't gotten a flu shot since (or had that chronic cough issue since. :) ).  Which is just as well.  I don't leave the house that often (sadly. :( ) so it's not like I'm going to infect anybody, and the few times I have gotten the flu, it was typically not that bad with the worst of it over in a day or two.

That being said, if it was a vaccine for something more severe like hepatitus, smallpox, or polio, I'd be first in line to get that vaccine, risks by damned!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on March 27, 2014, 06:34:51 PM
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perhaps this could be in a podcast this week or the next?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 27, 2014, 08:37:09 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 27, 2014, 12:52:55 PM
This is related to the "I got the flu vaccine and got sick from it" crapola. Since it can take days for the body to generate an immunity, if you were infected at the time or slightly earlier then guess what? You've got the flu. So "I got the flu vaccine and 3 days later I was sick" does NOT mean you got sick from the vaccine, as that isn't enough time for the vaccine to do ANYTHING, even if it DID make you sick (which it doesn't). It means you ALREADY HAD THE FLU.

And of course, if you get a flu strain that isn't one of the 3 or 4 included in the vaccine, then yes, you got the flu despite getting the vaccine. That's how it works!

Makes sense, one question: Is it possible to be allergic to the serum it's based in?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 27, 2014, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on March 27, 2014, 06:34:51 PM
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perhaps this could be in a podcast this week or the next?

Well, technically God isn't dead.  You have to have been alive first.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 27, 2014, 11:41:44 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 27, 2014, 09:44:49 PM
Well, technically God isn't dead.  You have to have been alive first.

even if there is a god, which one?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 27, 2014, 11:57:03 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on March 27, 2014, 11:41:44 PM
even if there is a god, which one?
Plus, what interpretation of said god?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 28, 2014, 06:44:59 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 27, 2014, 08:37:09 PM
Makes sense, one question: Is it possible to be allergic to the serum it's based in?

There used to be a problem with people who are allergic to eggs, but I think that's been fixed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 28, 2014, 09:25:05 AM
Ladies and Gentleman irony:

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Does anyone remember how much this anchor bashed the company over the years?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 28, 2014, 10:48:00 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 25, 2014, 06:10:26 AM
Also, if it's something like an earthquake, they've found that the texts and tweets travel faster than the seismic waves, so people can get at least a LITTLE notice ahead of time.

Some years ago in California a large fraction of fire trucks and ambulances were trapped in their stations following an earthquake due to slight damage jamming the doors. As a result, California installed a system that automatically opens the doors when earthquakes are detected in the area.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 29, 2014, 02:51:53 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 04, 2014, 06:27:27 PM
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I hate that my friends decide to send this guy to bug me.

So now I've got someone using Hitler's Table Talk as proof that Hitler was not a christian.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on March 29, 2014, 04:41:46 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSLiberty/

It combines the two things that I hate: anti-libertarian statists and feminist SJWs. Oh, the horror!

QuoteTL;DR: Libertarians are privilege-blind arch-fascists who deserve even less consideration than the openly bigoted right-wing shitheads they pretend to be different from.

Have you recently seen a post by internet Libertarians that dripped from the beard of unexamined privilege and ignorance of basic economics? Of course you have! Post it here so we can all laugh about it.

Arch-fascists? Sweet Celestia. At this point, "fascist" is nothing more than an insult against a politically opponent.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 29, 2014, 04:48:49 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 29, 2014, 04:41:46 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSLiberty/

It combines the two things that I hate: anti-libertarian statists and feminist SJWs. Oh, the horror!
>>Implying those things were ever different at all.

Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 29, 2014, 04:41:46 PM
Arch-fascists? Sweet Celestia. At this point, "fascist" is nothing more than an insult against a political opponent.
You're just realizing this now?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 29, 2014, 05:59:43 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2014/03/29/piers-morgan-last-show/7052009/

*Rolls eyes*  ::)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 30, 2014, 05:53:59 AM
http://aattp.org/

Warning the amount of stupid is potentially lethal.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 30, 2014, 06:46:05 AM
This asshole (http://gawker.com/arrest-climate-change-deniers-1553719888)

I know you already have BBE and IE, but there should be a segment for general douchebaggery.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 30, 2014, 10:32:03 AM
@Skm1091 & D:  You know what they say, better a Tea Bag than a Douchebag.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 30, 2014, 10:45:03 AM
I don't want to have to post this here...but damnit, I can't not do it:  http://www.weightrainer.net/training/rules.html
Don't get me wrong, I do generally like Casey's articles, but this one, while it has a lot of good in it, also has a LOT of bogosity in it too.  For one, he pulls the old, "well scientific methods and stuff can't compare to experience!" bullshit we've all heard from parents who spank their children.  And made even more condescending and annoying with an ad hominem/strawman/red herring of, "Just because you know the rules of boxing and the science of it doesn't mean you could take on a professional boxer in the ring. hur dur!"  Um, dude.  NO ONE is saying that.  Get off your high horse, you crotchety, old fuddy duddy.
Does he not see it as arrogant that he believes the 0.0001% of all experiences there are that he has represents all of it?  Without the benefits of scientific theory, falsification, and the like, it's as good as any other anecdote as far as I'm concerned.

And of course, goes into how, "well, I've seen students/grad students just make shit up just to get it published--which is probably most of the stuff you'll read from the scientific articles!  And scientists flat out plagiarize/fabricate stuff to keep getting grants!"  This might also explain the fact that his article only has one reference...Folks, if you have reason to believe a study/etc is bogus, that burden is on you.  Either give a methodological failure on part of the scientists or show another study that, say, wasn't funded by a supplement company or whatever to show it wrong.  But don't throw out all scientific studies like that--when he shows the results of his OWN on his own damn site--and still expect to be taken seriously.  Because now I have to wonder if the other stuff on his site is bogus too.  It's a shame as he's the only person I know of to do decent research into predicting muscular potential.

And of course him saying, "you MUST eat something right before and right after training!" Um, Casey?  That's the "anabolic window 'theory'" that has been long debunked by the likes of folks like Menno Henselmans (http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/workout-nutrition-is-a-scam/) and Armi Legge (http://evidencemag.com/anabolic-window/).  It's true that fasted training isn't a good idea in general, but come on! You don't need to eat right before/after a workout.  You underestimate just how efficient our bodies are, brofessor.

And some fun contradictions--he says don't waste money on supplements...then gives you a grocery list of them later in the article, he says to avoid machine exercises, while giving at least *one* of those in his trainee exercise program, which, as far as I could tell, he didn't offer an explanation for why he wants a trainee to do Donkey Calf Raises (requires a machine, or at least a person to sit on your back) instead of say, Standing Calf Raises (done with free weights & body weight).  As for the training 3x a week thing, what about folks like me who train 4x a week...but who only train for about 10-20 minutes a session, and who are only doing a section of our body each day (e.g. two days of upper body, two days of lower body)?  And of course the appeals to authority in that section too. *sigh* Not a shred of research presented, just the old "well MY authority can beat up THEIR authority!" pea-cocking bollocks.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 30, 2014, 12:24:10 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 30, 2014, 10:45:03 AM
I don't want to have to post this here...but damnit, I can't not do it:  http://www.weightrainer.net/training/rules.html
Don't get me wrong, I do generally like Casey's articles, but this one, while it has a lot of good in it, also has a LOT of bogosity in it too.  For one, he pulls the old, "well scientific methods and stuff can't compare to experience!" bullshit we've all heard from parents who spank their children.  And made even more condescending and annoying with an ad hominem/strawman/red herring of, "Just because you know the rules of boxing and the science of it doesn't mean you could take on a professional boxer in the ring. hur dur!"  Um, dude.  NO ONE is saying that.  Get off your high horse, you crotchety, old fuddy duddy.
Does he not see it as arrogant that he believes the 0.0001% of all experiences there are that he has represents all of it?  Without the benefits of scientific theory, falsification, and the like, it's as good as any other anecdote as far as I'm concerned.

And of course, goes into how, "well, I've seen students/grad students just make shit up just to get it published--which is probably most of the stuff you'll read from the scientific articles!  And scientists flat out plagiarize/fabricate stuff to keep getting grants!"  This might also explain the fact that his article only has one reference...Folks, if you have reason to believe a study/etc is bogus, that burden is on you.  Either give a methodological failure on part of the scientists or show another study that, say, wasn't funded by a supplement company or whatever to show it wrong.  But don't throw out all scientific studies like that--when he shows the results of his OWN on his own damn site--and still expect to be taken seriously.  Because now I have to wonder if the other stuff on his site is bogus too.  It's a shame as he's the only person I know of to do decent research into predicting muscular potential.

And of course him saying, "you MUST eat something right before and right after training!" Um, Casey?  That's the "anabolic window 'theory'" that has been long debunked by the likes of folks like Menno Henselmans (http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/workout-nutrition-is-a-scam/) and Armi Legge (http://evidencemag.com/anabolic-window/).  It's true that fasted training isn't a good idea in general, but come on! You don't need to eat right before/after a workout.  You underestimate just how efficient our bodies are, brofessor.

And some fun contradictions--he says don't waste money on supplements...then gives you a grocery list of them later in the article, he says to avoid machine exercises, while giving at least *one* of those in his trainee exercise program, which, as far as I could tell, he didn't offer an explanation for why he wants a trainee to do Donkey Calf Raises (requires a machine, or at least a person to sit on your back) instead of say, Standing Calf Raises (done with free weights & body weight).  As for the training 3x a week thing, what about folks like me who train 4x a week...but who only train for about 10-20 minutes a session, and who are only doing a section of our body each day (e.g. two days of upper body, two days of lower body)?  And of course the appeals to authority in that section too. *sigh* Not a shred of research presented, just the old "well MY authority can beat up THEIR authority!" pea-cocking bollocks.

Ya this sounds like the same arguments I get when I debate Katana fanboys.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on March 30, 2014, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 30, 2014, 10:32:03 AM
@Skm1091 & D:  You know what they say, better a Tea Bag than a Douchebag.

I typed in drones and I could not find any article talking about obama's use of drones.

Hmmmmm?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 30, 2014, 01:55:37 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on March 30, 2014, 01:12:29 PM
I typed in drones and I could not find any article talking about obama's use of drones.

Hmmmmm?
Natch.  Because war is done with good intentions when waged by a democratic presidents.

I was joking with the site you posted "Americans against tea party" and with D calling the folks in his post douchebags.  As I said, better tea bags than douchebags. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 30, 2014, 04:03:08 PM
"Where have all the good men gone?"/"Why are there no good men?"--a few too many women...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 30, 2014, 04:11:25 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 30, 2014, 04:03:08 PM
"Where have all the good men gone?"/"Why are there no good men?"--a few too many women...

My response: "Have you looked in the Friend Zone?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 30, 2014, 04:14:02 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 30, 2014, 04:11:25 PM
My response: "Have you looked in the Friend Zone?"
You, good sir, earned a cluon for that one. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 30, 2014, 08:42:37 PM
This next piece of text is dedicated to all the hippies who have pressured food companies (often via laws) to not irradiate their food to make it clean:

So learning to cook chicken breast has been interesting.  I cooked it for like, 30 minutes in a pan on medium to medium low heat and it still had some red/pink-ish juice coming out of it (which was delish, however), and some parts inside of it still felt a bit grisly.  On part on the opposite end of where I was eating it looked a bit pink and felt tender so I shrugged and put the rest in the micro-wave to cook it all the way through.  Criminy, I think I should maybe use higher heat next time.
Blah, I felt nauseous a bit earlier too.  I'm wondering whether or not just cooking it for at least 30-45 minutes (depending on thickness) and then simply nuking it hard in the microwave at full power for about 1 to 2 minutes might be safer...blargh.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 30, 2014, 10:09:48 PM
It's not generally recommended to eat medium chicken, but anyway...

What I've noticed a lot of people do is boil it for like 10 minutes, and then put it on the fryer, barbie, roaster, whatever. You'll want to make sure to dap the excess water off first before putting it on the fryer/ in the deep fryer. For the fryer (or stove top frying pan) you would then fry it for about 30-40 minutes on med-high.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 30, 2014, 10:41:05 PM
When you make a video blaming gamers for killing the industry, you better have some damn good data to back you up. Unfortunately, Game Theory doesn't do that. Between cherry picking data, and not taking things into account like games being sold with the console as a complete package, this video is complete and utter fail.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 31, 2014, 03:47:04 AM
OMG more stupidity over at IAB:

This from a user named CrakrJak:
QuoteSqurlz4Sale: Europeans were exposed to cowpox, a much weaker relative of smallpox. That's why they gained resistance and that's how the vaccine was invented. There was nothing special about European immune systems.

Pooptart19: "...that's special pleading"

No it's not. God by definition is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and limitless. Atheists have completely failed to realize that God made science to limit us, science does not limit him.

Cajun: "A mere hole in a idea doesn't undermine it.."

A large enough hole, or several smaller holes, in any foundation brings the whole house down. The theory is basically built on a foundation that looks like swiss cheese and it's roof is leaking too.

http://www.i-am-bored.com/forums.asp?action=read&ct=10&q_id=96121&read_page=1#
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 31, 2014, 06:16:59 AM
Quote from: D on March 30, 2014, 10:41:05 PM
When you make a video blaming gamers for killing the industry, you better have some damn good data to back you up. Unfortunately, Game Theory doesn't do that. Between cherry picking data, and not taking things into account like games being sold with the console as a complete package, this video is complete and utter fail.

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Plus he fails to mention poor marketing campaigns.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 31, 2014, 06:31:29 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 30, 2014, 08:42:37 PM
So learning to cook chicken breast has been interesting.  I cooked it for like, 30 minutes in a pan on medium to medium low heat and it still had some red/pink-ish juice coming out of it (which was delish, however),

That would be the myoglobin. People think it's blood; it isn't. And yes, it is delicious. It's what gives red meat its red color and dark meat its dark tone.

Really, the only reason to cook it until the pink goes away is to make sure there aren't any bacteria like salmonella or E. coli. Of course, if the enviromentalist extremist wackjobs would get over their paranoia and let manufacturers irradiate meat it wouldn't be an issue...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 31, 2014, 06:33:02 AM
Quote from: D on March 30, 2014, 10:41:05 PM
When you make a video blaming gamers for killing the industry, you better have some damn good data to back you up. Unfortunately, Game Theory doesn't do that. Between cherry picking data, and not taking things into account like games being sold with the console as a complete package, this video is complete and utter fail.

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If they actually understood the theory that is their namesake, they'd know that real Game Theory is all about how humans are going to react to the rules and to the situation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2014, 09:06:09 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 31, 2014, 06:31:29 AM
That would be the myoglobin. People think it's blood; it isn't. And yes, it is delicious. It's what gives red meat its red color and dark meat its dark tone.

Really, the only reason to cook it until the pink goes away is to make sure there aren't any bacteria like salmonella or E. coli. Of course, if the enviromentalist extremist wackjobs would get over their paranoia and let manufacturers irradiate meat it wouldn't be an issue...
Thanks, that does make me feel better, as I at least didn't eat any of the meat while it was still pink in tone. :3  And yeah, seconded on the environmentalists (which I even noted in my original post to boot! :3).  The left can bitch about "HUR DUR PARANOID RIGHT-WINGERS WHO WANT WAR/CREATIONISTS WHO SUCK AT SCIENCE!" but given crap like that, and the hippy bullshit talking points like irradiated food, organic food, GMOs, nuclear power, gluten, to name but a FEW, it seems the left isn't without its share of science illiterate busybody fuckwads.  For giving me peace of mind, you just earned another cluon.  You're on a roll. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on March 31, 2014, 09:38:28 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 29, 2014, 02:51:53 AM
So now I've got someone using Hitler's Table Talk as proof that Hitler was not a christian.
Has anyone noticed how some people treat the constitution like a second bible.

Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 29, 2014, 04:41:46 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSLiberty/

It combines the two things that I hate: anti-libertarian statists and feminist SJWs. Oh, the horror!

Arch-fascists? Sweet Celestia. At this point, "fascist" is nothing more than an insult against a politically opponent.
Doesn't this make the sexist and classist?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on March 31, 2014, 09:09:50 PM
This school may want to ask for a refund. Someone spilled feminism in their science textbooks:

(http://i.imgur.com/PbC3hAf.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2014, 09:19:23 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 31, 2014, 09:09:50 PM
This school may want to ask for a refund. Someone spilled feminism in their science textbooks:

(http://i.imgur.com/PbC3hAf.jpg)
The image doesn't show up unless I bring up your post's code (e.g. by quoting it) and copy/pasting the image's url into the address bar:
http://i.imgur.com/PbC3hAf.jpg

And yeah, Seriously feminists?  E = mc^2 'privileges' the speed of light?  Good lord. Einstein, Maxwell and Newton must be spinning in their graves.
And really? Ad hominems on Einstein?  Seriously?  Good lord.  Go wallow with the creationists.  They're your betters as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 31, 2014, 09:34:52 PM
frankly I'm more disturbed by the characterization of the "Jihadist". they aren't fanatics in the Nietzschean sense--not in the strictest sense. Then again, it does take a psycho to equate Einstein's discoveries with feminism. same here.

people there still think people in America are jerkwads though: why else would Americans re-elect monkey-man in '04?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2014, 09:43:20 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on March 31, 2014, 09:34:52 PM
frankly I'm more disturbed by the characterization of the "Jihadist". they aren't fanatics in the Nietzschean sense--not in the strictest sense. Then again, it does take a psycho to equate Einstein's discoveries with feminism. same here.

people there still think people in America are jerkwads though: why else would Americans re-elect monkey-man in '04?
But didn't you get the memo?  Females = empathy and awesome, while male = anti-empathy and everything wrong with the world!!11111eleven
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2014, 11:13:32 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_18611_the-10-most-important-things-they-didnt-teach-you-in-school.html
So rereading the above article, I see a huge fail right out of the gate.  On #10: sex ed for girls:

"Young ladies, you're in your teens now and already you have no doubt run into some guys who are being suspiciously nice to you. Likely you have figured out that in many cases, this has nothing to do with them being nice guys and everything to do with them desperately wanting you to touch their boner.
What you may not realize is that over the next few years, a string of rejections will cause many of these men to start hating you. Some of them hate you already, because they grew up hating their mothers and it kind of carries over. Boys are like that.

Now, some of these men will then become members of the Pick Up Artist Community, also known as the Seduction Community. This is a loose club of guys who see females as a collection of walking masturbation aids. They have websites and seminars and chat rooms where they trade tips on how to manipulate you into having sex with them."

Yes, according to Wong, are you a real nice guy who was friend-zoned?  Well, that's just because you secretly want her to touch your boner and you should feel bad.  Are you an MRA or pick-up artist community member?  Well, you're just butt-hurt because you got friend-zoned so many times you self-entitled mommy issue having little man-child!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2014, 11:16:04 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20893_5-classic-childrens-books-with-horrible-hidden-messages.html
#5--I might be tempted to care what she thinks if this wasn't the same cunt who used the history of high heels to lash out at MRAs for no good reason.  Chances are, she's a feminist, and likely looks the other way with fatalism when it comes to wanting dat government sponsored goods for the sisterhood...Natalism--it's only bad when it's a boy.  If it's a grown woman, it's totally awesome and anyone who disagrees is an EBIL MRA and should feel bad.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on April 01, 2014, 10:14:06 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2014, 09:19:23 PM
The image doesn't show up unless I bring up your post's code (e.g. by quoting it) and copy/pasting the image's url into the address bar:
http://i.imgur.com/PbC3hAf.jpg

And yeah, Seriously feminists?  E = mc^2 'privileges' the speed of light?  Good lord. Einstein, Maxwell and Newton must be spinning in their graves.
And really? Ad hominems on Einstein?  Seriously?  Good lord.  Go wallow with the creationists.  They're your betters as far as I'm concerned.

Did a brief search; this seems to be an excerpt from Fashionable Nonsense: Postmodern Intellectuals' Abuse of Science, which seems to have been written to highlight the bogosity of such, ahem, """""theories."""""

...

Still trying to come to grips with the idea that anybody could claim relativity is sexist in the first place. GOG.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 01, 2014, 11:07:36 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on April 01, 2014, 10:14:06 AM
Did a brief search; this seems to be an excerpt from Fashionable Nonsense: Postmodern Intellectuals' Abuse of Science, which seems to have been written to highlight the bogosity of such, ahem, """""theories."""""

...

Still trying to come to grips with the idea that anybody could claim relativity is sexist in the first place. GOG.
So it might be a Poe? *phew* Still doesn't change the fact that the feminists going off on science like fluid mechanics can't be figured out by men or whatever that Dawkins finally had to formally call bullshit on was a real thing.  Hence why I didn't put it past them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 01, 2014, 12:14:22 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_21053_5-traits-you-think-you-control-but-totally-dont.html
Because it comes off as excuse making.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 01, 2014, 12:39:38 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 01, 2014, 12:14:22 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_21053_5-traits-you-think-you-control-but-totally-dont.html
Because it comes off as excuse making.

Yeah, #5 is especially bogus. As if it's impossible to evaluate candidates on the merits. How does he explain lifelong statists who become libertarians? In fact, he doesn't mention libertarians AT ALL. It's the Political False Dichotomy again: Democrats have Good Brains, Republicans have Bad Brains. Guess which side he's on?

#4 has the same problem. It doesn't explain lifelong Christians or Muslims who become atheists.

The other three can be summed up thusly: it's not my fault I'm a loser and a failure; it's my genes!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on April 01, 2014, 02:35:50 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 01, 2014, 11:07:36 AM
So it might be a Poe? *phew* Still doesn't change the fact that the feminists going off on science like fluid mechanics can't be figured out by men or whatever that Dawkins finally had to formally call bullshit on was a real thing.  Hence why I didn't put it past them.

Well, Fashionable Nonsense is only highlighting the bogosity; the "E=mc^2 is sexist" bit was put forward, in all seriousness, by Luce Irigaray, a French feminist, psychoanalytic, and cultural theorist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 01, 2014, 02:48:47 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on April 01, 2014, 02:35:50 PM
Well, Fashionable Nonsense is only highlighting the bogosity; the "E=mc^2 is sexist" bit was put forward, in all seriousness, by Luce Irigaray, a French feminist, psychoanalytic, and cultural theorist.
/sigh
I should have known.

Quote from: MrBogosity on April 01, 2014, 12:39:38 PM
Yeah, #5 is especially bogus. As if it's possible to evaluate candidates on the merits. How does he explain lifelong statists who become libertarians? In fact, he doesn't mention libertarians AT ALL. It's the Political False Dichotomy again: Democrats have Good Brains, Republicans have Bad Brains. Guess which side he's on?

#4 has the same problem. It doesn't explain lifelong Christians or Muslims who become atheists.

The other three can be summed up thusly: it's not my fault I'm a loser and a failure; it's my genes!
You mean, "As if it's impossible to evaluate candidates on their merits."?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 01, 2014, 03:23:42 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 01, 2014, 02:48:47 PM
/sigh
I should have known.
You mean, "As if it's impossible to evaluate candidates on their merits."?

Yeah, that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 01, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
"WE'LL SEE HOW GOOD YOU LIKE YOUR VITAMIN TABLETS AND FROZEN VEGETABLES WHEN YOU'RE SHITTING YOURSELF IN AN ADULT DIAPER WISHING YOU WENT ORGANIC!!!!!!"--my mom, implying vitamin tablets and frozen veggies are poison compared to her glorious overpriced placebo supplements she calls organic ones.  Seriously, she spent $500 in a week (or $2000 dollars a month if extrapolated...that's more than our house's mortgage...) just on organic fruits/veggies (and some dairy) the week she said that...
Despite the fact that there's zero evidence that organic increases nothing but your bills, impact on the environment and chances of getting e coli, etc; and that synthetic vitamins in tablets/pills aren't worse, but just don't have as much bio-availability due to lack of synergistic nutrients....
Also, canned/frozen fruits/veggies aren't THAT much worse for you.  Hence why I call organic fresh fruits/veggies supplements--unproven/ineffectual ones at that!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on April 02, 2014, 12:12:22 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 01, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
"WE'LL SEE HOW GOOD YOU LIKE YOUR VITAMIN TABLETS AND FROZEN VEGETABLES WHEN YOU'RE SHITTING YOURSELF IN AN ADULT DIAPER WISHING YOU WENT ORGANIC!!!!!!"--my mom,...

What the fu<k?  I think that's an insult to incontinent people everywhere.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 02, 2014, 09:33:53 AM
http://personalliberty.com/vitamin-d-prevents-influenza/
On Personal Liberty's facebook page they said it works better than vaccines.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 02, 2014, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 02, 2014, 09:33:53 AM
http://personalliberty.com/vitamin-d-prevents-influenza/
On Personal Liberty's facebook page they said it works better than vaccines.
Good lord! And people accuse ME of black and white thinking!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 02, 2014, 12:16:34 PM
In the comments of this DA journal:  http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Anti-Libertarians-Can-t-Think-Ann-Coulter-444530781

"I will give her SOME (very little) credit.  Her "they can marry someone of the opposite sex" point was valid.  Technically, homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals.  The "gay-rights" agenda would make more sense if they asked for a new right, not equal rights.  And, sorry, kids do function better with a mom and dad.  I recommend the book "Homosexuality and the Truth of Politics" for more info.  Like you say, even a broken clock will tell the correct time at least twice a day.  But man, she's one broken clock."--hisarcher19
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 02, 2014, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 02, 2014, 12:16:34 PM
In the comments of this DA journal:  http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Anti-Libertarians-Can-t-Think-Ann-Coulter-444530781

"I will give her SOME (very little) credit.  Her "they can marry someone of the opposite sex" point was valid.  Technically, homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals.  The "gay-rights" agenda would make more sense if they asked for a new right, not equal rights.  And, sorry, kids do function better with a mom and dad.  I recommend the book "Homosexuality and the Truth of Politics" for more info.  Like you say, even a broken clock will tell the correct time at least twice a day.  But man, she's one broken clock."--hisarcher19

That's always pissed me off. And I guess back when interracial marriage was banned, it was okay because people had the same rights to marry people of the same race.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 02, 2014, 02:18:19 PM
(http://m.imgur.com/Vt2ihKJ.jpg)

As long as statists continue to call us "selfish" (even though they're the ones who expect everyone else to do what they want through threat of force), I will continue to retort with the words of Thomas Sowell:

"I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 02, 2014, 03:01:08 PM
[yt]wQtiIazfoQM[/yt]


I usually like these guys but dear god.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 02, 2014, 03:36:37 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on April 02, 2014, 02:18:19 PM
(http://m.imgur.com/Vt2ihKJ.jpg)

As long as statists continue to call us "selfish" (even though they're the ones who expect everyone else to do what they want through threat of force), I will continue to retort with the words of Thomas Sowell:

"I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money."
True that.  And yeah, the usual response is (a fail quote): "BUT WE WANT IT FOR OTHER PEOPLE NOT US, SO IT DOESN'T COUNT!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 02, 2014, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 02, 2014, 03:01:08 PM
[yt]wQtiIazfoQM[/yt]

I usually like these guys but dear god.

Wow. He was ALMOST there! All he had to do was take his "competition=good" idea and apply it to the ISPs themselves. Why do Net Neutrality proponents consistently fail to do that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on April 02, 2014, 07:28:36 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 02, 2014, 07:10:41 PM
Wow. He was ALMOST there! All he had to do was take his "competition=good" idea and apply it to the ISPs themselves. Why do Net Neutrality proponents consistently fail to do that?

Because they don't want to think critically and would rather parrot other peoples bs without thought
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 02, 2014, 08:39:36 PM
I think his main problem is thzat he doesn't think of WHY ISPs have monopoles to begin with. He's just assuming it's a "Natural Monopoly" and going from there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 02, 2014, 08:46:21 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkO1yk0CAAA7ns9.png)
Does this shit sound Familiar?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 02, 2014, 09:55:25 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 02, 2014, 08:46:21 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkO1yk0CAAA7ns9.png)
Does this shit sound Familiar?

Yeah, that horrible First Amendment, allowing people to pool their money to buy airtime, what's this country coming to?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on April 03, 2014, 01:41:46 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 02, 2014, 08:46:21 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkO1yk0CAAA7ns9.png)
Does this shit sound Familiar?

Nominate the OP for Idiot Extraordinaire and give the BOGUS! rubberstamp.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 03, 2014, 02:55:04 AM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on April 03, 2014, 01:41:46 AM
Nominate the OP for Idiot Extraordinaire and give the BOGUS! rubberstamp.

I got this from Angry Joe's twitter feed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 03, 2014, 11:28:15 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 02, 2014, 08:46:21 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkO1yk0CAAA7ns9.png)
Does this shit sound Familiar?
Would it kill these people to actually READ the fucking court decision before mouthing off like that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 03, 2014, 11:35:25 AM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on April 03, 2014, 01:41:46 AM
Nominate the OP for Idiot Extraordinaire and give the BOGUS! rubberstamp.

No, just find some libtarded moonbat raging about it and make them Idiot Extraordinaire. I'm sure The Young Turks or Rachel Maddow are having heart attacks over this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 03, 2014, 01:27:42 PM
While nowhere near as stupid as that meme pic above, I feel I simply *have* to post these two, if only for the sake of my own integrity:

http://www.furaffinity.net/full/4113487/
("Living wage for art?"--his T shirt)

http://www.furaffinity.net/full/2613400/

Don't get me wrong, I love TKDye's artwork and have been following his comic Newshounds II for weeks now (after reading all the way from 2007 beginning to catch up and then from the 1997 intro of Newshounds I to about 2002 ish.  Still working on that one). But goddamnit, like so many furries he leans to the left.  In these two, he goes on about that "living wage" nonsense. >.<*  He also seems to be mainly against corporations (rather than pro-government), but...I guess he never did check his dictionary for the part where a corporation is a legal entity created by government, and as such the nasty shit they do cannot, by definition, be part of a free market.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 03, 2014, 01:48:47 PM
I'm sure most of you have seen this post:

(http://i.imgur.com/TVHhsCl.png)

Turns out that a bunch of statists have decided to twist this meme in order to (badly) criticize libertarians:

(http://i.imgur.com/xQD969y.png)

There's an entire thread (http://imgur.com/a/OmuZS) of these parodies that grossly miss the point.

Anti-libertarians, why you no understand non-agression principle?

Oh, and then there's this:

(http://i.imgur.com/LOwOQam.png)

The right to my property does not require your consent anymore than the right to my body! You wouldn't tear out someone's kidney. Why would you trespass on someone else's property?

Sorry. I have more important things to do that fret over willfull ignorance. I'll leave this all for you lot to tear a new one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 03, 2014, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on April 03, 2014, 01:48:47 PM
I'm sure most of you have seen this post:

(http://i.imgur.com/TVHhsCl.png)

Turns out that a bunch of statists have decided to twist this meme in order to (badly) criticize libertarians:

(http://i.imgur.com/xQD969y.png)

There's an entire thread (http://imgur.com/a/OmuZS) of these parodies that grossly miss the point.

Anti-libertarians, why you no understand non-agression principle?

Oh, and then there's this:

(http://i.imgur.com/LOwOQam.png)

The right to my property does not require your consent anymore than the right to my body! You wouldn't tear out someone's kidney. Why would you trespass on someone else's property?

Sorry. I have more important things to do that fret over willfull ignorance. I'll leave this all for you lot to tear a new one.
Shane, is there any reason the images BTF posted aren't showing up as embedded in the post itself like they should? The URLs all work when pasted into the address bar.

And yeah, the ironic thing about the child prostitution one?  THEIR policies are proven to cause that shit when they go into some third world country and forbid child labor.  So if anyone can rightfully use that card, it's us.
And the original pic kinda blows too:  "Property more important than life."  Because fuck the billion or so killed by governments and countless lives ruined right in the ass, right?  Statists, why do you not understand self ownership?  Good lord.  This is something even CHILDREN grasp.  When I was 4 years old, my mom ran a day care and the kids would be told if they were rough-housing, "keep your hands to yourself!" and it just made sense even at that age for me.

In fact, it was when TJ talked about the war on drugs being bogus "If you can't even be allowed to control what you put in your own body! If you don't even own your own body!..." was when libertarianism REALLY started clicking for me on a much more fundamental--UPB style--level.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 03, 2014, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 03, 2014, 01:55:04 PM
Shane, is there any reason the images BTF posted aren't showing up as embedded in the post itself like they should?

Beats me; I can see them just fine.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 03, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 03, 2014, 02:07:30 PM
Beats me; I can see them just fine.
Okay, so I just fiddled and for some reason I had Adblock Plus blocking stuff from the site they were hosted at...oops. My bad.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 03, 2014, 03:09:07 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 30, 2014, 12:24:10 PM
Ya this sounds like the same arguments I get when I debate Katana fanboys.
Good lord! I didn't know Katana fanboys were so anti-empirical/fanatical.  But yeah, the biggest "Oh, Hell no!" in that article by Casey Butt was his basing of scientific research while claiming "Now, I'm a scientific with 5 degrees in hard science and a PhD." (Riiiight, just like the guy who says he has a Nobel Prize in Grammar does too, despite his inability to type in anything but text speak!) and how academics doesn't beat 'real world experience.' and citing an academic on nutrition (or whatever) being unable to beat a boxer as a reason...um, non-sequitor/ad hominem much?   And of course him doing the old, "Now I'VE been a scientist, and I've seen the horrible shit/fraud/etc they do.  It just can't compare to world experience!).  As if someone "with experience" has never done wrong too or lied too, right? Gimme a fucking break. If he was a scientist on my payroll, I'd fire and blacklist him & rightly so.

As far as I'm concerned, as with the shitty parents who say, "WELL, LET'S SEE THOSE SCIENTISTS HAVE KIDS AND THEN THEY'LL BE THINKING DIFFERENTLY!111"
(Fact:  Not all parents are good at it, so having kids =/= being an authority on that.), just because you have good genetics/drugs doesn't make you an authority on sports/body building/training etc.  In fact, if anything it makes you even WORSE at it because you never had difficulties because of your genetic blessings (and while Casey might not fall into that group, it's still a valid criticism as people who do fit that bill are vastly more likely to go into those fields over others).

I mean, yeah, as if "real world experience" (whatever the fuck that means) is better than empirical support and theory...I think I'll toss that one of "hur dur experience!11" into the bin along with "just a theory!" "Do you even lift, brah?" "That's just your opinion." "I guess we'll have to agree to disagree" and every single emotional appeal/fallacy all as a way of really saying: "I have no argument and just lost it badly, and so rather than pull up my big girl panties and admit it, I'm going to try and look like the better person when I'm actually that much worse for being sleazy about it.  I'm suck a fucktard PoS. lol"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 03, 2014, 05:19:41 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 03, 2014, 01:27:42 PM
While nowhere near as stupid as that meme pic above, I feel I simply *have* to post these two, if only for the sake of my own integrity:

http://www.furaffinity.net/full/4113487/
("Living wage for art?"--his T shirt)

http://www.furaffinity.net/full/2613400/

Don't get me wrong, I love TKDye's artwork and have been following his comic Newshounds II for weeks now (after reading all the way from 2007 beginning to catch up and then from the 1997 intro of Newshounds I to about 2002 ish.  Still working on that one). But goddamnit, like so many furries he leans to the left.  In these two, he goes on about that "living wage" nonsense. >.<*  He also seems to be mainly against corporations (rather than pro-government), but...I guess he never did check his dictionary for the part where a corporation is a legal entity created by government, and as such the nasty shit they do cannot, by definition, be part of a free market.
/sigh
And I found *this* in his photobucket album:
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/TKDye/is-your-state-enlightened.jpg)

(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/TKDye/iddt-07142007.gif)
While he hasn't said a word about Obama's or Clinton's wars...War is war, and murder is murder, Tom.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 03, 2014, 09:22:26 PM
Okay, so I received a claim that being exposed to the feces of babies(like if you're a parent, sibling or nanny) that get the Salk vaccine (for polio) induces something called "vaccine induced paralytic polio(something)". Is there truth, or is it just bogosity?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 03, 2014, 09:29:46 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on April 03, 2014, 09:22:26 PM
Okay, so I received a claim that being exposed to the feces of babies(like if you're a parent, sibling or nanny) that get the Salk vaccine (for polio) induces something called "vaccine induced paralytic polio(something)". Is there truth, or is it just bogosity?

It sounds like a bunch of shit.



I regret nothing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BogosityForumUser on April 03, 2014, 10:35:50 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on April 03, 2014, 09:22:26 PM
Okay, so I received a claim that being exposed to the feces of babies(like if you're a parent, sibling or nanny) that get the Salk vaccine (for polio) induces something called "vaccine induced paralytic polio(something)". Is there truth, or is it just bogosity?

Quote from: D on April 03, 2014, 09:29:46 PM
It sounds like a bunch of shit.



I regret nothing.

And yet, it is half true.  While the Salk vaccine (aka IPV) does not cause vaccine-derived poliovirus, the oral vaccine can.  That is why they try to vaccinate the entire community because the oral vaccine also vaccinates you from VDPV.  See http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/99/2/300.full  among other papers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 03, 2014, 10:40:30 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1.0-9/1525743_674933699230869_729884365_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 03, 2014, 10:42:47 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/10172670_610288902388944_251764438_n.jpg)
Wow, strawman and ad hominem in one picture.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 03, 2014, 11:08:05 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on April 03, 2014, 09:22:26 PM
Okay, so I received a claim that being exposed to the feces of babies(like if you're a parent, sibling or nanny) that get the Salk vaccine (for polio) induces something called "vaccine induced paralytic polio(something)". Is there truth, or is it just bogosity?

There is no problem with properly prepared Salk (that is, killed virus) vaccines causing the disease.  The virus is dead, after all.

The problem with killed-virus polio vaccines is that the protection they provide fades over time.

The solution to the fading protection is the attenuated live-virus vaccines.  In this case, 'attenuated' refers to the virulence of the virus, which is reduced by growing it in culture for several generations.

Unfortunately, this process cannot completely remove the disease-producing capacity of the virus, which will give a small proportion of those exposed who are not already protected debilitating polio.  As the virus is shed in the feces, this means anyone who is not protected who has contact with the feces of a child recently vaccinated with a live-virus vaccine (essentially anyone who acts as a caregiver) has a risk of contracting polio.

The solution, as has been known for decades, is the modern, two-stage vaccination: First with the Salk-type killed virus vaccine (which eliminates the risk of developing polio in the short term), then after a few weeks the live-virus vaccine (which will induce permanent immunity).

The people at risk in this scenario are those who are old enough to have gotten the Salk-type vaccine as children, but who never got a live-virus booster (as is now standard).  Due to how the virus spread, essentially everyone who is too old to have gotten a Salk-type vaccine as a child had it anyway, mostly without symptoms (which is why quarantines were largely ineffective in halting outbreaks, and sanitation didn't stop them because sanitation was what caused outbreaks in older children to begin with, before modern sanitation it almost always infected everyone as a baby and rarely caused complications).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 03, 2014, 11:28:18 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on April 03, 2014, 11:08:05 PM
There is no problem with properly prepared Salk (that is, killed virus) vaccines causing the disease.  The virus is dead, after all.

The problem with killed-virus polio vaccines is that the protection they provide fades over time.

The solution to the fading protection is the attenuated live-virus vaccines.  In this case, 'attenuated' refers to the virulence of the virus, which is reduced by growing it in culture for several generations.

Unfortunately, this process cannot completely remove the disease-producing capacity of the virus, which will give a small proportion of those exposed who are not already protected debilitating polio.  As the virus is shed in the feces, this means anyone who is not protected who has contact with the feces of a child recently vaccinated with a live-virus vaccine (essentially anyone who acts as a caregiver) has a risk of contracting polio.

The solution, as has been known for decades, is the modern, two-stage vaccination: First with the Salk-type killed virus vaccine (which eliminates the risk of developing polio in the short term), then after a few weeks the live-virus vaccine (which will induce permanent immunity).

The people at risk in this scenario are those who are old enough to have gotten the Salk-type vaccine as children, but who never got a live-virus booster (as is now standard).  Due to how the virus spread, essentially everyone who is too old to have gotten a Salk-type vaccine as a child had it anyway, mostly without symptoms (which is why quarantines were largely ineffective in halting outbreaks, and sanitation didn't stop them because sanitation was what caused outbreaks in older children to begin with, before modern sanitation it almost always infected everyone as a baby and rarely caused complications).
Thanks
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 04, 2014, 02:53:09 AM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/1535386_1481336925411728_989231771_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on April 04, 2014, 09:44:29 AM
Quote from: tnu on April 04, 2014, 02:53:09 AM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/1535386_1481336925411728_989231771_n.jpg)
is it me or does it seem like starvation is more important to them than murder and theft?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 04, 2014, 10:02:08 AM
Wow, I knew lots of university econ classes were bad, but I'd never think they'd get THIS bad! From Brigham Young University's website:

https://courses.byui.edu/econ_150/econ_150_old_site/Lesson_07.htm

QuoteThe computer industry is an example of a downward sloping supply curve, since as the number of computers produced increased, the price of inputs, such as chips, decline.

It's hard to even know where to begin! The supply and demand curves determine how much people want to sell and buy respectively as price gets bigger or lower. And it assumes that ALL OTHER THINGS ARE EQUAL! If they aren't, that's when you get a shift in one of the curves. In this case, a decrease in the costs of inputs means that sellers are able to supply more computers AT EVERY PRICE LEVEL, and so the supply curve shifts to the right. Quantity increases as prices fall. That does NOT mean the supply curve is downward-sloping! A downward-sloping supply curve is IMPOSSIBLE!

Think about it: if inputs didn't decrease, but there was greater demand for computers, the demand curve would shift to the right, meaning prices and quantities both go up. A downward-sloping supply curve means that, even if inputs stay the same, greater demand would STILL mean lower prices as the demand curve shifts right! How ridiculous! And college students are being TAUGHT this crap!

Geez, and I thought that Kuna guy's Gucci example was bad...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2014, 11:33:48 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 03, 2014, 10:42:47 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/10172670_610288902388944_251764438_n.jpg)
Wow, strawman and ad hominem in one picture.
And circular reasoning + appeal to tradition/status quo bias.  So because govco does one thing, we need to do another/more of that thing for no other reason?  Well, save some original ideas for the rest of us, Tesla!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2014, 11:37:02 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 04, 2014, 10:02:08 AM
Wow, I knew lots of university econ classes were bad, but I'd never think they'd get THIS bad! From Brigham Young University's website:

https://courses.byui.edu/econ_150/econ_150_old_site/Lesson_07.htm

An upward-sloping supply curve is IMPOSSIBLE!
I thought the supply curse sloping up was how it usually works? O_o
What about an upward sloping demand curve:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good
I've been meaning to ask you about those.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2014, 11:38:17 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 03, 2014, 10:40:30 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1.0-9/1525743_674933699230869_729884365_n.png)
And the government the OP no doubt supports is the single biggest polluter in the world, yet he gives it a free pass.
Also, the Koch bros also give money to stuff like gay-rights groups IIRC. So....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2014, 11:44:07 AM
"War is and brings prosperity!"--a few too many statists.
Yeah, that is a myth that needs to die.  As F.A. Hayek said in the second rap battle "Last time I checked, wars only destroy!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on April 04, 2014, 11:49:44 AM
Quote from: tnu on April 04, 2014, 02:53:09 AM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/1535386_1481336925411728_989231771_n.jpg)

Also if they claim to be against starvation but they're still communist, then they're pretty much contradicting themselves.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2014, 11:56:55 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on April 04, 2014, 11:49:44 AM
Also if they claim to be against starvation but they're still communist, then they're pretty much contradicting themselves.
Bonus points (against them) if they also claim to be anti-GMO.  Again, Norman Borlaug; 1 billion saved from starvation.  From just a single GMO crop.  Argument invalid.  As there is just no way to argue against that and NOT be a massive asshole.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 04, 2014, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 04, 2014, 02:53:09 AM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/1535386_1481336925411728_989231771_n.jpg)

All right. I'll play.

How do you hope to prevent starvation and exposure by preventing people from owning property? Are you going to force people to give up what they have to shelter and feed others? Seems like you would need law in order to do that. But how do you have law without a state?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 04, 2014, 02:59:48 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/QgEoBX9.jpg)

These people have low standards of what a good VP is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 04, 2014, 03:01:25 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1mVgFoP.jpg)

Oh look, yet another political cartoon that proudly displays a poor understanding of economics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 04, 2014, 03:06:38 PM
(http://farleftside.com/2014/4-4-14-american-monsters.jpg)

Democrats have such hyperbolized and exaggerated the actual political power of the Koch Brothers that they have become akin to the boogeyman imagined by small children.

A good cartoon.

(Kudos if you get the reference.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2014, 03:19:56 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on April 04, 2014, 03:06:38 PM
(http://farleftside.com/2014/4-4-14-american-monsters.jpg)

Democrats have such hyperbolized and exaggerated the actual political power of the Koch Brothers that they have become akin to the boogeyman imagined by small children.

A good cartoon.

(Kudos if you get the reference.)
Shouldn't that be in fav quotes?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 04, 2014, 05:20:58 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2014, 11:38:17 AM
And the government the OP no doubt supports is the single biggest polluter in the world, yet he gives it a free pass.
Also, the Koch bros also give money to stuff like gay-rights groups IIRC. So....

His foundation also gives more money for making the Nova series than any other singe contributor, enough that it's the only individual contributor that gets mentioned.  Are people going to go down to Boston and picket WGBH for accepting the money, or go over to the Hayden Planetarium and picket Dr. Tyson for being paid from that money?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 04, 2014, 10:08:44 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2014, 11:37:02 AM
I thought the supply curse sloping up was how it usually works? O_o

Typo. Fixed. What I get for posting after not getting enough sleep.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 05, 2014, 02:09:22 PM
From George Takei's facebook.

QuoteThough Arizona's governor had the good sense to veto a similar bill, Mississippi's didn't. These "religious freedom" bills grant businesses that are open to the public the "right" to refuse service to certain people (i.e. LGBT couples) based on the business owners' religious belief. But this fundamentally misunderstand what freedom of religion is. That right, enshrined in the First Amendment, means the government cannot force you to accept any form of religion. But your own religious views? The right to them extends only as far as the tip of your nose. That's how we live in a pluralistic society.
I call upon good businesses in Mississippi to refuse to serve legislators and the governor who voted for this, on the ground it would offend their beliefs to serve anything to that lot. LIKE this status if you agree that such laws should never see the light of day.
More to come on how we will work to get this repulsive and un-American bill repealed or overturned.

This what pisses me off about the LGBT community. I'm pretty certain that I set up an atheist restaurant and refused to serve religious people they would either A. not say shit about it or B. Champion me.
GOD DAMN! This shit pisses me off so much!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 05, 2014, 02:15:48 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 05, 2014, 02:09:22 PM
From George Takei's facebook.

This what pisses me off about the LGBT community. I'm pretty certain that I set up an atheist restaurant and refused to serve religious people they would either A. not say shit about it or B. Champion me.
GOD DAMN! This shit pisses me off so much!
+1 cluon for you.  And this is from a bi-sexual male.
@Takei + company, freedom of religion extends as long as you aren't initiating force against anyone. 'Refusal of service because you're LGBT' is NOT an initiation of force.  Deal with it.

What's more, if anything he should let them do it.  That way we can tell who's a bigot and can boycott instead of not, which kinda means those laws are more or less FUNDING bigots, are they not?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 05, 2014, 04:25:18 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 05, 2014, 02:15:48 PM
+1 cluon for you.  And this is from a bi-sexual male.
@Takei + company, freedom of religion extends as long as you aren't initiating force against anyone. 'Refusal of service because you're LGBT' is NOT an initiation of force.  Deal with it.

What's more, if anything he should let them do it.  That way we can tell who's a bigot and can boycott instead of not, which kinda means those laws are more or less FUNDING bigots, are they not?

Besides which, you can't tell by looking at someone if they're religious/lgbt or anything like that; so it's not the same thing as with race/gender/something like that. In this case, keep your mouth shut, and you'll get served just fine - and if you have to point out that your religious, etc just to make a point, then your not being not served because of your faith, your being not served because your an obnoxious twit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 05, 2014, 09:15:42 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on April 05, 2014, 04:25:18 PM
Besides which, you can't tell by looking at someone if they're religious/lgbt or anything like that; so it's not the same thing as with race/gender/something like that. In this case, keep your mouth shut, and you'll get served just fine - and if you have to point out that your religious, etc just to make a point, then your not being not served because of your faith, your being not served because your an obnoxious twit.

The thing that drives me crazy is that these people want "equality" but are completely unaware of the gun they are putting to people's head.
"You're such a bully! Now excuse me while I force you to conform to my ideals by pointing a gun at your head."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 05, 2014, 09:41:32 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 05, 2014, 09:15:42 PM
The thing that drives me crazy is that these people want "equality" but are completely unaware of the gun they are putting to people's head.
"You're such a bully! Now excuse me while I force you to conform to my ideals by pointing a gun at your head."

I do not *not* agree.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on April 07, 2014, 02:06:17 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 07, 2014, 02:29:00 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on April 07, 2014, 02:06:17 AM
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Well This confirms that Game Journalism is dead.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 07, 2014, 10:13:49 AM
(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1975173_501527909951083_1425551125_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 07, 2014, 10:54:12 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 07, 2014, 02:29:00 AM
Well This confirms that Game Journalism is dead.
Well, implying it was ever "alive" to begin with.  If there's any one thing we can all thank Anita for, it's revealing game journalists as the lying packs of jackals that they are.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 07, 2014, 10:54:45 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 07, 2014, 10:13:49 AM
(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1975173_501527909951083_1425551125_n.jpg)
Not only stupid in message, but also in form.  There is so much text on such a small pic you can't even tell who/what kinds of people he's talking about!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on April 07, 2014, 11:50:51 AM
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Every Volound response to me.

[spoiler]First he brings up a the Hand Grenade Test by C0nc0rdance.

I respond by saying that a grenade could theoretically be used as a defensive weapon.

Then he responds with that grenades are indiscrimate. Which then I respond with the notion that you could use a none lethal stun grenade or find a way to detonate the grenade remotely.

He then responds with

Quote"So what?"

so they are extremely hazardous to have around - irresponsible. should people also be allowed to own 10kt suitcase nukes? do you have an arbitrary line or none at all?

"And you do realize there are are non-lethal stun grenades right?"

non-lethal stun grenades are not frag grenades which are what was being discussed, and are therefore completely irrelevant.

"And that postman thing can be solved by placing them in places where the post man will not go or finding a way to remotely detonate them without a wire."

the number of accidental homicides that result from them would obviously far exceed the number of kills on burglars, regardless of the precautions taken. this is ridiculous.
  even the military understands this problem with terms like "friendly fire" and "danger close". rigging your house with tripwires and explosives is something only an absolute moron would do, likewise with having an MAD solution in case the burglar gets the upper hand.

civilians owning grenades is obviously retarded to any sensible person.

He brings up the infamous nuke argument that many statist idiots bring up when their gun control views are challenged. My Response

QuoteAh the infamous nuke argument.You ever considered the reason why people don't use nukes for self-defense is because of these reasons? 1. Nukes are cumbersome 2. The blast radius is so big that it will kill you along with everyone in couple dozen mile radius and 3. NUKES are EXPENSIVE. Also I suggest you read Murray N Rothbard's Ethics of Liberty on the issue of Nukes.

You do realize people in the US used to own Cannons, Dynamite and many other variety of explosives, right? Same in the UK as well before all their gun control laws. 

He then responds with this piece of work.

Quote+skm1091 are you trolling? you think that people dont use nukes because they are too cumbersome and because there is no way to avoid killing yourself with it?

get the fuck out of this conversation you moron.

" 3. NUKES are EXPENSIVE."
http://i.imgur.com/XNRlbYK.gif

Notice how to arrogant motherfucker doesn't even try to come up with a proper rebuttal.So the idiocy continues. I respond with

QuoteCompared to a handgun and or grenade yes the nuke is more complicated. Are you seriously implying that people will actually CARRY the case for protection?! See how flawed your logic is.

Yes you would kill yourself with it, since most defense cases are a couple dozen meters at most, especially if it is a ten Kilotons. The blast radius on that sucker would be at least a kilometer wide NOT INCLUDING FALLOUT. So yeah detonate a suitcase nuke against someone that close and you (and a thousands of your neighbors) go up in a mushroom cloud.

If you haven't noticed, even the smallest nukes cost a small fortune to buy. And that's not including the cost the radioactive material, the cost of maintenance etc.

He then made fun of my supposed "mental issues" and not even try to come up with a proper rebuttal to the comment above. And then there is this piece of steaming horse shit (see bellow)

Quoteyou didnt do anything. you speculated wildly like a puppy-eyed 10 year old, saying laughable tripe such as this:

"If you haven't noticed, even the smallest nukes cost a small fortune to buy. And that's not including the cost the radioactive material, the cost of maintenance etc."

if you werent laughing while typing that as part of some kind of elaborate troll, you are too stupid to be worth talking to

My response

QuoteI brought the cost up to show you even if they were legal just how unlikely it is for the average joe to get his hands on one. And my point about the impracticality of using a nuke for personal defense still stands.

BTW you never answered my point of people owning dynamite and cannons.


Quoteyou have the concept-grasping skills of a young child.

you never made a point about people owning dynamite and cannons. you asserted that people used to own them. so? who gives a shit? is that supposed to be a point? people used to own slaves. who gives a fuck? what relevance does it have to the actual subject. are you trying to impress my with your knowledge/perspective? stating that people used to own dynamite/cannons is vapid.

My response to the above and most likely my final response to this name calling, no substance, pontificating douchebag

QuotePiers Morgan is that you? All name calling and no substance.

You brought up nukes so I mentioned nukes

You're seriously comparing an object to a human being? That is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. You claimed that allowing people to own grenades is a bad idea because people would blow themselves and others up all over the place. Seeing that people have handled stuff like dynamite in the past, that negates your point.

You know what I am done with you. Have fun putting your hands over your ears and going la la la la la, like the coward and doofus you are.

See ya 
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 07, 2014, 12:14:52 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_21043_5-terrible-things-i-learned-as-corporate-whistleblower.html
So where's the increased accountability your policies were supposed to bring, statists?

Considering that corporations are, by definition, a legal fiction created by government with privileges granted to it by government--debt shield, immunity, etc, is it any wonder they can do this kind of beyond cult like shit?  It's why I cringe whenever some window breaker uses examples of corporations to prove that the free market doesn't work (or when some idiot like HowTheWorldWorks defends corporations as if they were another free market business).  Um, folks, corporations are a government creation.  In every way that counts.  It's YOUR red headed step child, statists, not ours.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 08, 2014, 12:19:19 AM
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If I were talking to this Z Winkler face to face I'm pretty sure I would be violating the NAP!
The asshole is accusing Shane of either trolling or mental illness.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 08, 2014, 06:20:13 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 08, 2014, 12:19:19 AM
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If I were talking to this Z Winkler face to face I'm pretty sure I would be violating the NAP!
The asshole is accusing Shane of either trolling or mental illness.

And ironically, consider which video he's posting on, and ask yourself if that's how he'd be behaving if he REALLY believed what he's advocating, instead of just THINKING that he believes it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 08, 2014, 12:24:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/t2vZzic.jpg)

Meanwhile, Americans can now be targeted for indefinite detention or assassination without the slightest due process, four American citizens have been killed by drone strikes (with dozens more on Obama's kill list), the overall number of drone strikes have increased, more whistleblowers have been prosecuted than any other president combined, Americans have seen their health insurance either disappear or rise in costs, any ounce of privacy we may have had in the past has been swept away by the NSA, trillions of taxpayer dollars have been secretly funneled to corporations through the Fed, more medical marijuana dispensaries have been cracked down upon (despite Obama promising not to let that happen), our country has sharply declined in press and economic freedom, our credit rating has dropped a few levels....shall I go on?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 08, 2014, 08:00:36 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on April 08, 2014, 12:24:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/t2vZzic.jpg)

Meanwhile, Americans can now be targeted for indefinite detention or assassination without the slightest due process, four American citizens have been killed by drone strikes (with dozens more on Obama's kill list), the overall number of drone strikes have increased, more whistleblowers have been prosecuted than any other president combined, Americans have seen their health insurance either disappear or rise in costs, any ounce of privacy we may have had in the past has been swept away by the NSA, trillions of taxpayer dollars have been secretly funneled to corporations through the Fed, more medical marijuana dispensaries have been cracked down upon (despite Obama promising not to let that happen), our country has sharply declined in press and economic freedom, our credit rating has dropped a few levels....shall I go on?
Indeed.  @OP of that pic:  Hurray for Captain Ambitious over here...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 08, 2014, 10:13:16 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on April 08, 2014, 12:24:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/t2vZzic.jpg)

Meanwhile, Americans can now be targeted for indefinite detention or assassination without the slightest due process, four American citizens have been killed by drone strikes (with dozens more on Obama's kill list), the overall number of drone strikes have increased, more whistleblowers have been prosecuted than any other president combined, Americans have seen their health insurance either disappear or rise in costs, any ounce of privacy we may have had in the past has been swept away by the NSA, trillions of taxpayer dollars have been secretly funneled to corporations through the Fed, more medical marijuana dispensaries have been cracked down upon (despite Obama promising not to let that happen), our country has sharply declined in press and economic freedom, our credit rating has dropped a few levels....shall I go on?

Sooo...the best thing he has the say about the president is there's a few things he couldn't find the time to screw up?

Yay...?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 08, 2014, 10:37:13 PM
yay...................
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 09, 2014, 06:18:24 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MbBb2mM.jpg)

I'm not sure why "liberals" always frame tax cuts as for "the rich" when everyone received one. Also, as Shane excellently explained, those Bush tax "cuts" weren't really tax cuts:

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As for the wealth "inequality" woo-woo, this comment sums it up: "Ok then, split the pie in 350 million pieces, everyone gets a bit but everyone will starve to death." Bazinga!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 09, 2014, 06:26:17 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on April 09, 2014, 06:18:24 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MbBb2mM.jpg)

I'm not sure why "liberals" always frame tax cuts as for "the rich" when everyone received one. Also, as Shane excellently explained, those Bush tax "cuts" weren't really tax cuts:

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As for the wealth "inequality" woo-woo, this comment sums it up: "Ok then, split the pie in 350 million pieces, everyone gets a bit but everyone will starve to death." Bazinga!
They want tax cuts for the poor? Awesome.  Then get rid of the inflation tax, the payroll tax and the regulatory burden & minimum wage bollocks that keeps them on the dole and poor in the first place!  Or better yet, just abolish all taxation in the first place.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 09, 2014, 11:13:02 PM
18 Things People Seem To Not Understand Because They Think "Feminism" Is A Dirty Word (http://thoughtcatalog.com/alex-reed/2014/04/18-things-people-seem-to-not-understand-because-they-think-feminism-is-a-dirty-word/)

The entire list is Gish Gallop, but this one point is the most inane of them all:
Quote(4) I need feminism because most of TV is bad. Because Jersey Shore went on for four seasons and produced spin off series. Because that is what the human race is being represented as. There is not a show that has characters interacting in any form of "reality" and there should be. SOLUTION: write a show that is actually based on reality.
WTF DOES THAT EVEN HAVE TO DO WITH FEMINISM?!?!?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 10, 2014, 03:20:00 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on April 09, 2014, 11:13:02 PM
18 Things People Seem To Not Understand Because They Think "Feminism" Is A Dirty Word (http://thoughtcatalog.com/alex-reed/2014/04/18-things-people-seem-to-not-understand-because-they-think-feminism-is-a-dirty-word/)

The entire list is Gish Gallop,

And here I go analyzing the Gish Gallop, point by point. This is is going to be long.

1. How the fuck are we suddenly going to stop every possible rape, murder, or kidnapping? Ya think if that was possible, we wouldnta done that... IDK.... 35,000 yrs ago or something? Counter solution, be aware of your surroundings, but don't act like everyone around you is a rapist, murderer, or kidnapper. Those that are see this as weakness and target YOU.

2. a) Sometimes, you are simply being asked to dance because the social situation at the moment dictates that it is expected to ask a partner to dance, it is not necessarily "approval of your physical appearance". b) While a certain amount of looking at you (presuming you're at least averagely attractive, which since you're writing this tripe, I assume you ain't) is just normal human sexuality, the fact that you "fixate on how you look for other people" is YOUR FAULT, not their's.

3. Okay.

4. So don't watch Jersey Shore. I'd skip Big Brother and the Bachelor(ette) while I was at it to. You realize that if you push the power button again, the screen goes grey, right?

5. I don't know a single person that does this, unless they're just not in a position to help.

6. I actually agree with this one, except you don't need feminism for that, you need politicians and those on school boards and PTA's to leave their bullshit... I mean religion at home.

7. I actually agree with that one, too.

8. Well, yes some people do use words which are gender based to insult each other, that doesn't make anyone any less by being called a name. In fact, in some circumstances, it actually makes the person USING the epitaph less.

9. Yes, rapes happen and sometimes the victim is afraid to speak up because they are afraid of being blamed. With the exception of the perp, and possibly the same group of fuckwads from six, the victim blaming is in your head.

10. Again true, but WTF has that got to do with feminism?

11. Not in any jurisdiction I'm aware of. In most, the fact your partner claimed you threatened her is enough for you to be finding somewhere else to stay, at least for the night.

12. Well, no. Normal men and women actually have about the same amount of empathy. I'm presuming we're talking about people that don't have some sort of cognitive/mental/neurological disorder here. Those that do, can't change it because you wish it so.

13. Okay, let's talk about that 6 years you took off...

14. Okay... I don't see how your going to do that but... okay. So I was right in two, btw.

15. Your hard work was taken away from you, how? I was almost going to agree with this one because there are a lot of jobs that people think are soft and easy, but are actually quite physically and mentally challenging (I know because I have one). However, if you are being paid for a product or service, it is impossible to not qualify the work. Either it's good work, average work, or poor work.

16. True up to a point, but once again nothing to do with feminism. Also third thing that has to do with your poor self-perception of your appearance. Counter solution: Please seek professional help as soon as possible.

17. What?

18. All the above?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 10, 2014, 04:03:38 PM
Really, kotaku and Doug Walker?!?
You guys are throwing a hissy fit becuase Sanus has high heels.
http://screenburn.kotaku.com/zero-suit-samus-now-wears-high-heels-1561185248
http://kotaku.com/samus-new-high-heels-are-well-1561573770?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 10, 2014, 04:05:47 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 10, 2014, 04:03:38 PM
Really, kotaku and Doug Walker?!?
You guys are throwing a hissy fit becuase Sanus has high heels.
http://screenburn.kotaku.com/zero-suit-samus-now-wears-high-heels-1561185248
http://kotaku.com/samus-new-high-heels-are-well-1561573770?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow
Dude, it's Kotaku.  What did you expect?  And Doug Walker?  As in the Nostalgia Critic?  As in the idiot who hired a SJW/feminist as his female double?  Again, what did you expect?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 10, 2014, 09:06:07 PM
(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/10171252_10152352572826489_1029658195_n.jpg)

Personally  can kind of see where Doug and Kotaku are coming from on this instance but that may be just me. I just don't think Zero Suit Samus works the same way on a "practical" level in heels. Also I like the Nostalgia Chick.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 10, 2014, 09:14:30 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 10, 2014, 09:06:07 PM
Personally  can kind of see where Doug and Kotaku are coming from on this instance but that may be just me. I just don't think Zero Suit Samus works the same way on a "practical" level in heels. Also I like the Nostalgia Chick.

Except she wore heels in Brawl and nobody bitched then. Besides it was already explained that these heels have an explicit purpose. They provide power for her character and act as jet boots.

Not to mention, other game characters have worn heels, including male characters.
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080620064342/metalgear/images/thumb/c/c0/Ninja_Raiden.jpg/200px-Ninja_Raiden.jpg)

This is just another case of social justice dipshits trying to make something out of nothing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 10, 2014, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 10, 2014, 09:06:07 PM
(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/10171252_10152352572826489_1029658195_n.jpg)
@Poster's OP:  Um, yes you can.  Use one hand to fap and another to hold someone's hand, duh. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 11, 2014, 12:18:22 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1897784_603873616364644_1563018852_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 11, 2014, 06:59:55 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 10, 2014, 10:01:02 PM
@Poster's OP:  Um, yes you can.  Use one hand to fap and another to hold someone's hand, duh. :P

No, you can't--because he doesn't exist! :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 11, 2014, 08:48:43 AM
Quote from: D on April 10, 2014, 09:14:30 PM
Except she wore heels in Brawl and nobody bitched then. Besides it was already explained that these heels have an explicit purpose. They provide power for her character and act as jet boots.

Not to mention, other game characters have worn heels, including male characters.
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080620064342/metalgear/images/thumb/c/c0/Ninja_Raiden.jpg/200px-Ninja_Raiden.jpg)

This is just another case of social justice dipshits trying to make something out of nothing.

Heels (of moderate height) are also kinda useful in any sort of fantasy or pre-modern setting to keep you feet from slipping out of stirrups.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 11, 2014, 12:09:28 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 11, 2014, 06:59:55 AM
No, you can't--because he doesn't exist! :P
This is true. :3
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on April 11, 2014, 04:25:32 PM
I just found this:
George Washington, THE one and only, is not to be outranked by ANYONE!
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Public_Law_94-479

Thank you congress!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 11, 2014, 06:18:14 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on April 11, 2014, 04:25:32 PM
I just found this:
George Washington, THE one and only, is not to be outranked by ANYONE!
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Public_Law_94-479

Thank you congress!

This left open the question of whether he should have six or seven stars, since it was never officially determined how many Pershing has (as the next-highest grade officer).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 12, 2014, 12:35:08 AM
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/we-denounce-the-koch.fb71?source=s.fb&r_by=10349867
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 12, 2014, 12:51:45 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 12, 2014, 05:01:10 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 12, 2014, 08:07:40 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 12, 2014, 12:35:08 AM
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/we-denounce-the-koch.fb71?source=s.fb&r_by=10349867

Interesting how they don't do the same with the labor unions... http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 12, 2014, 04:36:29 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-problems-you-cant-blame-how-you-were-raised/
Stef would have a field day with that tripe.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 14, 2014, 10:49:52 AM
So I'm pretty sure this article:  http://www.christophercantwell.com/2014/03/15/violently-overthrow-the-government/ is an epic fail.
It was linked to me from Hawkeye and what follows is our thoughts and deconstruction on it (will remove if Hawkeye insists; I would ask him but he's not online :( ):
Hawkeye:  Yeah, I think this is why this guy is kinda considered a black sheep among anarchists
Me:  O_O Indeed.
Hawkeye:  "Wow, these guys violently overthrew the government, they must be the good guys" said no one ever
Me:  Indeed.  As I said before and as D said to me when reading his last article on 10 reasons why libertarians aren't nice--it never makes me comfortable when violence is threatened...ever.
Wait..."Democracy" was supposed to be a solution to the state/tyranny? Since when?!
>>Education and peaceful parenting
Haven't even had a chance to work fully yet.  How long have those even been a thing?
Hawkeye:  Like....he IS aware you need at least one generation to see the results of it.  And so far they're quite promising.
Me:  *nod* Yeah.  Probably two as it's usually the second generation (grandparents rather than parents) who are in political power.
Hawkeye:  The state's going to just kill them?  How?  They don't even know who they are.
Me:  Either way, violence is NOT an option. Unless it's in self defense it IS an initiation of force; and thus a legitimizing of it IS a legitimizing of the state. End of.
Hawkeye:  I mean, I hate to keep score but...Stef's convinced thousands of people to stop spanking.  Exactly what kind of successes do you have to boast there Chris?
Me:  >>The state's going to just kill them.
And what, dare I ask Chris, is preventing the state from doing that to you when you run at the capitol offices with a gun? Idiot.
Hawkeye:  Indeed, why does that argument invalidate their argument but not yours?  If anything, they're far more likely to do it to revolutionaries than passive aggression.
Me:  Absolutely. Hell, if anything that would only STRENGTHEN the state's legitimacy and worsen ours."See? You DO need us to protect you from those violent evil anarchists!" "You're an anarchist? Like THOSE assholes? Fuck off."  He IS aware of the ideological state, right? That is, the horizontal slave-on-slave attacks are what keeps the state existing, yes? Hell, he even hinted at it in his previous article. You do not convince people by threatening them...you do not get respect by being as asshole (thinking of that Dr Phil quote).
Hawkeye:  Yeah, we're at the stage where now they're trying to mock us and doing a pretty bad job of it.  They can't shoot us, they'll just make martyrs.
Me:  Not to mention him saying that opens up cans of worms like, "You mean like the Spanish Anarchists who took over parts of Spain during the Spanish Civil War? The one that was just as bad as communism?" Because that IS an actual rebuttal against anarchism I've gotten.
Yup.  Hell, we need only look at history to refute his bogus claims. "Anarchists" HAVE tried killing politicians (about a dozen or so in the past 150 years) and lo and behold: the state is still here! And with people looking to them as examples of the evils of anarchy...funny how that works, huh?
Hawkeye:  Oh yeah, he has an answer to that, let them think we're terrorists!  He really doesn't get it; our enemy is not the politicians.  They're just people profiting from the situation.
Me:  Indeed. Our enemy is dogma; specifically the illusions of the state's legitimacy.
Hawkeye:  It's like arguing that we'd have atheism if we just burned down all the churches.  It doesn't work that way.
Me:  Damn it. Beat me to it. lol Yeah, exactly. :)
Hawkeye:  What we're trying to do is create another cultural enlightenment.  It DOES work, it's been done before.  Once slavery was morally accepted, now you can't sell the idea to people.  It's dead.
Me:  Yup. Enlightenment era before that too. And before that, the Renaissance.  And even *if* Cantwell and his supporters were to succeed on that (and that's a HUGE if), all it would do is legitimize the idea that the initiation of force is golden to achieve what you want. If even children have bullshit detectors for hypocrisy, you can bet they do as adults.  As a wise man once said: Be the change you want to see in the world, or GTFO.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on April 14, 2014, 11:35:23 AM
Anger as Stonegate hedge fund fare dodger 'buys silence' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27019782#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa)

Southeastern, a rail company in the UK, caught a man who dodged rail fares for some 5 years. The man, who happens to be a hedge fund manager, paid back the estimated fares and legal fees in an out-of-court settlement in order to avoid the courts and remain anonymous. TSSA, a rail union, is outraged, not because the settlement wasn't enough or something like that, but because the man didn't go to court and remained anonymous.

Highlighted fail is that of Manuel Cortes, leader of the TSSA, though he's not alone on this:

"There seems to be one law for the rich and one law for the poor when it comes to criminal prosecution.

I admit, I don't know the UK rail system OR the UK legal system, but what "law" did the hedge fund manager break here which requires him to go to court?

"The rich seem to be able to walk away and claim secrecy while the poor get hauled up in front of the local magistrates court and publicly ridiculed.

"This guy can buy silence, but that isn't offered to most people who are caught fare dodging."

Pardon my simple-mindedness, but maybe the problem is less that "the rich" can walk away, and more that "the poor" are getting hauled up and ridiculed. Did you even stop to consider that, Cortes?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 14, 2014, 12:58:34 PM
QuotePardon my simple-mindedness, but maybe the problem is less that "the rich" can walk away, and more that "the poor" are getting hauled up and ridiculed. Did you even stop to consider that, Cortes?

I wouldn't be surprised if that was his point.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on April 14, 2014, 01:29:11 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on April 14, 2014, 12:58:34 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if that was his point.

Oh definitely, it's just from the statists' POV.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on April 14, 2014, 02:32:44 PM
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head desk X1000000000000000000000000000000
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 14, 2014, 03:02:18 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on April 14, 2014, 02:32:44 PM
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head desk X1000000000000000000000000000000
False dilemma up in this bitch...
Fact--each regulator hired by the government costs us 150 jobs.  Solution: fire all the regulators and get rid of government (no more 'government debt' because no more government) and solve both problems. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 14, 2014, 08:35:32 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 15, 2014, 06:12:59 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 14, 2014, 08:35:32 PM
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And here I thought Switzerland used francs, not dollars...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 15, 2014, 08:04:49 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 14, 2014, 08:35:32 PM
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Let us suppose that this is actually true.

Why do I find myself suspecting that Switzerland has different employment law for citizens and non-citizens?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 15, 2014, 08:27:44 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on April 15, 2014, 08:04:49 AM
Let us suppose that this is actually true.

Why do I find myself suspecting that Switzerland has different employment law for citizens and non-citizens?

I just looked it up: it's actually 22 francs an hour, and 90% of Swiss workers already earn more than that. The Swiss franc is notoriously overvalued on the exchange market; right now, the rate is about .88, which is what they're using to get $25. But that metric is bogus for anything other than international trade; to see how much 22 francs is worth in Switzerland, you want to look at PPP or PPI. When you look at PPP, the current rate is 1.236, according to Daily Forex, making the franc about $17.80. But since we're talking about what producers can afford, PPI is really what you want. I couldn't find any direct PPI data between the two countries, but since US PPI is dropping like a brick, I think it's clear the real value is MUCH lower than $17.80!

That, plus the fact that Switzerland and Australia (another comparison they like to use) are both ranked above the US on the Index of Economic Freedom. Maybe if we made our economy as free as Switzerland, we'd be getting paid a LOT more!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 15, 2014, 05:53:18 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 15, 2014, 05:56:17 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 15, 2014, 08:27:44 AM
I just looked it up: it's actually 22 francs an hour, and 90% of Swiss workers already earn more than that. The Swiss franc is notoriously overvalued on the exchange market; right now, the rate is about .88, which is what they're using to get $25. But that metric is bogus for anything other than international trade; to see how much 22 francs is worth in Switzerland, you want to look at PPP or PPI. When you look at PPP, the current rate is 1.236, according to Daily Forex, making the franc about $17.80. But since we're talking about what producers can afford, PPI is really what you want. I couldn't find any direct PPI data between the two countries, but since US PPI is dropping like a brick, I think it's clear the real value is MUCH lower than $17.80!

That, plus the fact that Switzerland and Australia (another comparison they like to use) are both ranked above the US on the Index of Economic Freedom. Maybe if we made our economy as free as Switzerland, we'd be getting paid a LOT more!

it's easily lower than the current US minimum wage, as prices are very high in Switzerland already--especially in places like Zuerich.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on April 15, 2014, 07:25:44 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 15, 2014, 07:42:37 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on April 15, 2014, 07:25:44 PM
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Please tell me this is satire.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 15, 2014, 07:44:13 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 15, 2014, 08:03:07 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on April 15, 2014, 07:25:44 PM
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frankly, I find this depiction of a "Somolian" (it's Somalian, or Somali), to be racist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on April 17, 2014, 04:15:34 PM
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I like ventura but i really wish he wasnt such a statist :T
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 17, 2014, 04:32:17 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on April 17, 2014, 04:15:34 PM
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I like ventura but i really wish he wasnt such a statist :T

Plus crazy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 18, 2014, 12:20:24 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 18, 2014, 09:47:15 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 18, 2014, 12:20:24 AM
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Yet the folks on welfare and other free riders in govco get a free pass because why?

PS:  Congrats on 777 posts. XD
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 19, 2014, 09:17:20 AM
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My god what an arrogant, ignorant ass this Hartman fellow seems to be
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2014, 09:58:48 AM
Quote from: tnu on April 19, 2014, 09:17:20 AM
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My god what an arrogant, ignorant ass this Hartman fellow seems to be
"Ban and confiscate excess wealth"
And you can start with those in government and their media meat puppets like you, Hartmann.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 19, 2014, 10:11:17 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2014, 09:58:48 AM
"Ban and confiscate excess wealth"
And you can start with those in government and their media meat puppets like you, Hartmann.

Could he act more like a villain from an Ayn Rand novel?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 19, 2014, 11:07:45 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2014, 09:58:48 AM
"Ban and confiscate excess wealth"
And you can start with those in government and their media meat puppets like you, Hartmann.

IKR? He bleats on about how the Kochs have $100 billion. And how much does government have? How much do they take directly from us every year? How much do they steal from us by printing money?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on April 19, 2014, 07:01:49 PM
Normally I don't complain about articles from a website like this, but this is just ludicrous:

http://reason.com/archives/2014/04/19/tax-deductions-versus-lower-tax-rates

Really?  We should allow discriminatory taxation just to avoid HIGHER taxation!!??!?  Come on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 20, 2014, 11:54:30 AM
After pointing out to my mom why I wouldn't wear fur (I don't give a shit about the animal's life, I mean, they aren't sentient, so who gives a shit?) She says, "Well, I wouldn't mind eating meat if I knew it was killed humanely and bleed properly.  But in this day and age with these greedy industrialists who have the animals knee deep in their own shit, in the dark and crowded, there's no way.  I mean, God intended for us to eat those [clean, as defined by the Bible *sigh*] animals."

Where do I even begin?  1) Because as we all know greed is only something people have today and/or only industrialists have, right? 2) The Bible is bullshit, so they weren't "created for us" anymore than anything else.  3)  She DOES know that when an animal is treated at least somewhat humanely it gives better quality meat and thus better sales, right?  Hell, look at the prices/sales of 'free range' meat and that it sells, I mean come on!  4)  Just ONCE I'd like to see a theistic statist liberal (read: her) not give the government a special/free pass...I showed her Harry Browne's book "Why Government Doesn't Work"  Her reaction/response to it?  It made her depressed and uncomfortable because, "Well, what the hell can I do to change this stuff?"  Mom, you can start by NOT FUCKING GIVING YOUR SUPPORT FOR IT! Good lord.  And stop browbeating me to vote...gods.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 20, 2014, 09:45:13 PM
http://skepticalavenger.tumblr.com/image/83112446523 (http://skepticalavenger.tumblr.com/image/83112446523)

"The corporations belong to no land, no country, no people."

Why is that a bad thing? Do you think having undying loyalty to one plot of land at the expense of all others is a good thing? That's a very jingoistic, isolationist mindset. I think the fact that corporations serve all people regardless of their nationality is a good thing. It shows that people are willing to trade and do business with one another across borders. In an ever growing global community, that ought to be a virtue, not a vice.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 21, 2014, 08:38:12 PM
QuoteOh, I know, lets talk about the electoral college to distract the stupid fucking idiots from the fact that their country has been taken over by terrorist like Monsanto, Bank Of America, GE and Facebook

Someone on Facebook
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 21, 2014, 09:26:46 PM
-says facebook are terrorists
-uses facebook.

sounds legit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 21, 2014, 09:59:27 PM
Both of the post above this: I couldn't help but laugh.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 21, 2014, 11:10:59 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 21, 2014, 11:17:54 PM
Well, my favorite psychopath is back: This week, she's saying that if we give children with mumps nightshade, "they will quickly get over the fever and tremors phase of that illness" Yeah, because we'll quickly be on the flowers and casket phase of that illness?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 22, 2014, 12:31:15 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on April 21, 2014, 11:17:54 PM
Well, my favorite psychopath is back: This week, she's saying that if we give children with mumps nightshade, "they will quickly get over the fever and tremors phase of that illness" Yeah, because we'll quickly be on the flowers and casket phase of that illness?

nightshade? Oh boy.

what next? Belladona? Hemlock? poison holly?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 22, 2014, 12:46:28 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on April 22, 2014, 12:31:15 AM
nightshade? Oh boy.

what next? Belladona? Hemlock? poison holly?

Oh, sorry I meant to say Homeopath, I just couldn't remember what that particular type of psychopath was called.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 22, 2014, 12:58:19 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on April 22, 2014, 12:46:28 AM
Oh, sorry I meant to say Homeopath, I just couldn't remember what that particular type of psychopath was called.

still a crazy woman, so who cares who she is? all I need to know is what she is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 22, 2014, 09:23:58 AM
Quote from: tnu on April 21, 2014, 11:10:59 PM
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@OP:  Because corporations are, by definition, government created legal fictions, you tool!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 22, 2014, 12:24:16 PM
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You gotta love projection.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 22, 2014, 03:06:50 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 22, 2014, 04:06:01 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 22, 2014, 03:06:50 PM
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OK, so you cannot make a business out of artificial scarcity when you cannot enforce it, and this means you cannot make a business out of REAL scarcity?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 22, 2014, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 21, 2014, 11:10:59 PM
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1) The free market is a market free of government intervention.
2) Corporate subsidies are a form of government intervention.
3) Therefore, corporate subsidies are not the free market.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 22, 2014, 04:32:11 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 22, 2014, 12:24:16 PM
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You gotta love projection.

Whenever I hear "liberals" brag about their long list of accomplishments, I always reply with this:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 22, 2014, 05:32:36 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on April 22, 2014, 04:32:11 PM
Whenever I hear "liberals" brag about their long list of accomplishments, I always reply with this:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Webcomic_xkcd_-_Wikipedian_protester.png/300px-Webcomic_xkcd_-_Wikipedian_protester.png)

Tell them that it was the REPUBLICANS who did most of those things (up through and including the Civil Rights Act) while Democrats were fighting them tooth and nail and watch their heads go asplodey.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 22, 2014, 07:43:44 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 22, 2014, 05:32:36 PM
Tell them that it was the REPUBLICANS who did most of those things (up through and including the Civil Rights Act) while Democrats were fighting them tooth and nail and watch their heads go asplodey.

Which isn't really a retort, since at one time the Republican Party was the more liberal of the two parties. Actually, if you take in to consideration the traditional meaning of the word, it still is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 22, 2014, 08:10:06 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on April 22, 2014, 07:43:44 PM
Which isn't really a retort, since at one time the Republican Party was the more liberal of the two parties. Actually, if you take in to consideration the traditional meaning of the word, it still is.

Except if you talk to them they're down with Woodrow Wilson and FDR and all that crowd.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 22, 2014, 11:22:44 PM
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Really, Gary?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 22, 2014, 11:25:46 PM
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Dear god, my step-dad's mother is a gold mine for fail quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on April 23, 2014, 05:46:20 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 22, 2014, 11:25:46 PM
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Dear god, my step-dad's mother is a gold mine for fail quotes.

Of all the reasons I've heard to complain about Republicans that by far is the dumbest.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 23, 2014, 08:08:00 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 22, 2014, 11:25:46 PM
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Dear god, my step-dad's mother is a gold mine for fail quotes.
Wow...Never met a pro-choice argument I didn't like...until now...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 23, 2014, 08:41:19 AM
Jay Kuo (Composer, Lyricist & Playwright) (on Facebook, shared by George Takei):

QuoteI've been reading a lot of commentary from people defending the "religious freedom" bills popping up in places like Kansas, Arizona, and Missouri. Their basic argument goes something like this: "These bills protect the right of people to believe what they want to believe. If my belief says I shouldn't serve a couple who has sinned before God, why should the government force me to do so? Isn't that a violation of MY rights?"

But here's the elephant in the room: Everyone knows that these laws are designed to protect Christians from having to deal with people they don't like. The laws appear "neutral" on their face, but make no mistake, they are attempting to grant the majority faith an upper-hand. Businesses owned by non-Christians in these states aren't about to go start slamming doors in heterosexual Christian customers' faces. Gay owned establishments don't have the luxury of denying service to anyone, nor do they ever try to. The true effect of such laws is to give those with power even more of it--so much so, that it essentially codifies the right to discriminate.

Any time a law purports to grant the "same" rights to everyone but in fact is rooted in animus, we should pay close heed. This is no different than laws that once were used to prevent races from intermarrying. On their face, they are "neutral" because they apply to whites and non-whites alike. "No one" had the right to marry someone of another race. But in fact they were meant to keep down minorities and exclude them from "civil" society.

So let's not be fooled simply because laws appear to be neutral on their face. These are designed to punish one group and reward another, plain and simple. Giving "everyone" the right to discriminate really only gives that right to those in control.

https://www.facebook.com/georgehtakei/posts/929818587047595?notif_t=notify_me

My response:

"Everyone knows that these laws are designed to protect Christians from having to deal with people they don't like." So? We have freedom of association, don't we?

"Businesses owned by non-Christians in these states aren't about to go start slamming doors in heterosexual Christian customers' faces." Which means they'll get more money than their bigoted counterparts. Why would you WANT to give bigots your money?

"Gay owned establishments don't have the luxury of denying service to anyone" Denying service isn't a luxury; it's idiocy. If these bigots want to harm their own businesses, I say, let them!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 23, 2014, 08:51:19 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 23, 2014, 08:41:19 AM
Jay Kuo (Composer, Lyricist & Playwright) (on Facebook, shared by George Takei):

https://www.facebook.com/georgehtakei/posts/929818587047595?notif_t=notify_me

My response:

"Everyone knows that these laws are designed to protect Christians from having to deal with people they don't like." So? We have freedom of association, don't we?

"Businesses owned by non-Christians in these states aren't about to go start slamming doors in heterosexual Christian customers' faces." Which means they'll get more money than their bigoted counterparts. Why would you WANT to give bigots your money?

"Gay owned establishments don't have the luxury of denying service to anyone" Denying service isn't a luxury; it's idiocy. If these bigots want to harm their own businesses, I say, let them!
So aside from earning a cluon from me, I wanted to add regarding that one image talking about 'liberal achievements.'  Even if we accept that "liberals are responsible for these things--the clean air act, etc" there's the fact that they are just more corporatism/more statism, more bullshit that either doesn't help or most of the time hurt.  About the only good thing I recall from that list was the abolition of Jim Crow laws, which, IIRC, was a law set many democrats were indeed in favor of (Dixiecrats anyone?).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 23, 2014, 10:46:11 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 23, 2014, 08:51:19 AM
So aside from earning a cluon from me, I wanted to add regarding that one image talking about 'liberal achievements.'  Even if we accept that "liberals are responsible for these things--the clean air act, etc" there's the fact that they are just more corporatism/more statism, more bullshit that either doesn't help or most of the time hurt.  About the only good thing I recall from that list was the abolition of Jim Crow laws, which, IIRC, was a law set many democrats were indeed in favor of (Dixiecrats anyone?).

Well, yes. At that time the democrat party was the more conservative of the two main parties. (Nixon was actually the LIBERAL candidate in his first presidential run, which is the real reason he lost that famous debate, not how he looked on TV, not how he sounded on the radio.) [both of which were fine for the time]

On to the actual reason I'm here:

Gary - you don't need the government to tell you there's gluten in it. Check it out: It's bread, that's made out of wheat, which means it has gluten. Therefore Gary shouldn't eat it. If the bread is made out of something else - possibly something that isn't wheat, rye, or barley - it will say that on the label, with no prompting by the government.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 23, 2014, 05:18:31 PM
Everything said by canteluna and MyNameIsBucket in the top thread in this video: https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=sFqp6KG0pjw
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on April 24, 2014, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 23, 2014, 05:18:31 PM
Everything said by canteluna and MyNameIsBucket in the top thread in this video: https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=sFqp6KG0pjw

You don't say. Gog.

Quote from: MyNameIsBucket
I have no idea what you're trying to say here, and I suspect, neither do you. Probably just more shitty projecting.

At least I can laugh at the irony of this quote, even as their general bogosity makes my head hurt.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: nilecroc on April 24, 2014, 05:58:36 PM
http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/04/22/study-antibiotic-resistant-mrsa-superbug-found-in-us-homes/
Comments on this article.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 25, 2014, 11:58:58 AM
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(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/10262199_386137231524113_536095646093028315_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 25, 2014, 08:49:01 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/elcNcWs.png)

This isn't political correctness gone mad, because PC was never sane to begin with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 25, 2014, 08:50:00 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 25, 2014, 11:58:58 AM
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How many wars have we started?  Hmm...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 25, 2014, 08:52:17 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 25, 2014, 08:50:00 PM
How many wars have we started?  Hmm...

That should be a meme:

Wars started by markets: 0
Wars started by states: ALL OF THEM!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on April 26, 2014, 04:28:20 AM
Today I give notice to a big, steaming heap of FAIL from LameJokeAlt of GameFAQs Board 8.

Topic: Eating dogs is big business in Vietnam (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=315.5820;last_msg=24929)

Related Article: How eating dog became big business in Vietnam (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/27/eating-dog-vietnam-thailand-kate-hodal), from The Guardian

First, a "bonus" bogon comes from Duc Cuong and his scumbag associates in Vietnam, who are snatching other people's dogs in order to process and sell their meat. Probably the only thing LameJokeAlt and I can actually agree on here.

But the rest of the steaming heap comes from LameJokeAlt herself, first for equating what the scumbags are doing with all meat production in the US:

First, let's make one thing clear. Eating factory farmed dogs is just as bad as eating any other farmed animal...

...taste is reason enough to make these animals suffer now? ...We are doing so much to animals for the sake of taste when it is so cruel.

Second, for showing off a blatant double-standard:

Carnivores are all the same ...they would eat their [companions] if they felt the need to eat meat... They'll want the taste because that's all that matters to them.

...all the dog ever wanted was to live a peaceful, happy life...

I'd cheer if Duc Cuong got eaten by his dogs as a form of poetic justice, but dogs are too loyal and pure for that. That's more than I can say for their "companion" humans.

And third... the "meat culture."

The meat culture has reached ridiculous heights to the point where, in order to get this taste of meat, people actually will steal and murder companion animals... This is the danger I've been speaking of for so long. It's not even surprising to me... If we let this obsession with meat culture continue like this, it's only going to get worse.

Gog.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 26, 2014, 10:14:30 AM
Quote from: tnu on April 25, 2014, 11:58:58 AM
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Does anyone else find it annoying that many of these folks whining about "waah! You Libertarians/An-caps are so rude/mean/uncivil!" are the same people who don't mind, and even cheer when folks like TheAmazingAtheist publishes video after video of 20% substance and 80% insults against theists?  Double standards--the new right way...

Quote from: tnu on April 25, 2014, 11:58:58 AM
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I call Poe's Law on that.  I mean come on! lol!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on April 26, 2014, 07:54:29 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 25, 2014, 11:58:58 AM
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Strawmen! Strawmen galore!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 26, 2014, 08:07:54 PM
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ap
This...this is why I hate inflation more than any other tax...As someone who loves saving his money, it has a special place in my heart.  Fuck you Govco and your central banks.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 26, 2014, 10:30:23 PM
[yt]pI6a7WySFsU[/yt]

These "debunked" myths are in serious need of debunking. Anyone wish to volunteer?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 27, 2014, 02:02:30 PM
So my mom thinks that cage free/free range eggs are more ethical for the chickens *and* thinks I am dangerously lacking in empathy (:O whatever that's supposed to mean) for not giving a single flying fuck.  This is despite her saying, "Well God made those animals for us to eat! I just want them killed humanely, and bled properly because the blood has all the disease! God said not to eat the blood after all!"  And that pesticides are bad for the plants because she thinks that like anti-bacterial soap, they stop the plant from producing its own pesticide.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on April 27, 2014, 05:17:21 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on April 26, 2014, 10:30:23 PM
[yt]pI6a7WySFsU[/yt]

These "debunked" myths are in serious need of debunking. Anyone wish to volunteer?

Well I might make it my first vid if no one wants to take this
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 27, 2014, 05:38:26 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on April 27, 2014, 05:17:21 PM
Well I might make it my first vid if no one wants to take this
Go for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on April 27, 2014, 10:45:59 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 27, 2014, 05:38:26 PM
Go for it.

Although it would help if someone can message me an abridged version so i don't have to watch the vid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 27, 2014, 10:47:55 PM
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4859157/
>>Violence is good
>>Is saying this over a medium that can't exist in the world he advocates.
Go live in the woods like the animal you are then.  Where those of us who are sane and civilized can be free to put a bullet in your head should you harm us.  Freedom does NOT mean free to hit others, it means freedom from the initiation of force.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 27, 2014, 10:53:45 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 27, 2014, 10:47:55 PM
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4859157/
>>Violence is good
>>Is saying this over a medium that can't exist in the world he advocates.
Go live in the woods like the animal you are then.  Where those of us who are sane and civilized can be free to put a bullet in your head should you harm us.  Freedom does NOT mean free to hit others, it means freedom from the initiation of force.

>Tell a guy to go live in the woods
>he goes to a furry website

He'd probably take you up on that offer.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 27, 2014, 11:58:47 PM
Quote from: D on April 27, 2014, 10:53:45 PM
>Tell a guy to go live in the woods
>he goes to a furry website

He'd probably take you up on that offer.
You know what I mean! :P  But yeah, I guess I walked right into that one, huh?

He also seems to be one of those twats who thinks freedom/amurika = freedom to do whatever you want as seen here:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5344423/ and here:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5478881/
It is not.  It is freedom from first strike aggression.
And really, "HUR DUR WE MURIKANS HAD TO HELP YOU EUROPEANS!"?
Um, no.  WWI:  it was going to end soon anyways.  The only thing our government did was make the victory so one sided that it allowed the horrible Treaty of Versailles to be signed, thus sowing the seeds for WWII.  As for WWII? Well, again, never would have happened without our government getting crazy about it.  I mean, really, solving problems the way we did back when we lived in caves? Shameful.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 28, 2014, 04:41:50 PM
QuoteAnCaps are Deontological thinkers. Anarchists are Utilitarians.

That's another reason why AnCaps aren't anarchists. - Brent Lengel


QuoteOkay, so since Anarchists are Utilitarians - we're interested in a specific end. Rules are only a means to reach that end. Rules are just tactics. Therefore as soon as a rule does not have the intended effect that rule is done away with because it's no longer a useful tactic.

You can't for instance, when talking to anarchists, play lawyer and "trick" your way into having private ownership over the means of production. Which AnCaps try to do all that time.

Like I remember a conversation I had with one guy who was like:

"Can I give gifts in an AnCom society?"

and I was like:

"I don't see why not"

and he said:

'Okay, I give my factory to my son, as a GIFT. CHECKMATE."

Which is when I facepalmed.

If you want to see how Anarchists make the distinction between what type of property is personal, and what type is private you need to look at the scale and the effect that property has on the community.

If your ownership of that property oppresses others or causes a serious problem for the community, you're not going to get to keep it. if it doesn't cause a problem - why the fuck would anyone care whether you owned it or not?

How do we decide which is which? Democracy within a framework of specific guidelines.

This is very different from the Liberal Capitalist approach of making laws and then enforcing them in a blunt-force kind of way. It's less authoritarian and a more nuanced way to approach public policy.

QuoteWhich is why you can talk about the NAP or Self-Ownership or any other number of rules and axioms till you're blue in the face and none of us will care.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 28, 2014, 09:42:14 PM
Not sure if fail, but I suspect it is:
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/6/6/5/266665.jpg)

Source:  http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_883_40-myths-we-believe-now-due-to-tiny-mistakes-years-ago_p2/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 28, 2014, 09:46:09 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 28, 2014, 09:42:14 PM
Not sure if fail, but I suspect it is:
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/6/6/5/266665.jpg)

Source:  http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_883_40-myths-we-believe-now-due-to-tiny-mistakes-years-ago_p2/

No, it mentions religion in one other place: In Article VI, where it says that no religious test shall ever be required for holding public office.

And as I pointed out in my Constitution Lectures, the phrase "separation of church and state" might not literally be there, but the concept sure as hell is! I read out Jefferson's entire letter in the video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 29, 2014, 07:12:42 AM
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31.0-8/s960x960/1941467_1473857246159696_762051060_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 29, 2014, 09:42:30 AM
Quote from: tnu on April 29, 2014, 07:12:42 AM
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31.0-8/s960x960/1941467_1473857246159696_762051060_o.jpg)

Whereas having the government do it is a-ok.

(They DO realize he's talking about adoption, right?)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 29, 2014, 09:57:31 AM
Well this was posted and made by anarcho-communists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 29, 2014, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: tnu on April 29, 2014, 09:57:31 AM
Well this was posted and made by anarcho-communists.
I'm shocked! (I lied.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 29, 2014, 04:54:57 PM
QuoteQuestion to AnCaps: how does Anarcho-Capitalism deal with depravity & people with diminished capacity for consent?

Like for instance, take Michael Vic. Style-Dog Fighting. Is cruelty to animals kosher so long as the dogs being forced to fight to the death are owned by those making them fight?

Similarly, what about people with mental disabilities or otherwise impaired abilities to consent: say members of NAMBLA bought a bunch of Children on the free market and and indoctrinated them to consent to sex with older men?

Similarly, the Russian Mafia is alleged to pit homeless drug-addicts against each other in organized "Bum Fights" in Long Island. The addicts agree to fight for drugs & food.

In all cases you have a diminished/non-existent ability for informed consent. How would AnCapistan address problems like these, or would it even consider them problems?

Any takers?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 29, 2014, 05:10:52 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 29, 2014, 04:54:57 PM
Any takers?
WTF is with an-comms and all these 'gotcha!' questions? Do these guys have actual arguments or not?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 29, 2014, 08:09:25 PM
They do seem to bekind of important question then againi'm the greenest one here so eh.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 29, 2014, 11:23:14 PM
QuoteQuestion to AnCaps: how does Anarcho-Capitalism deal with depravity & people with diminished capacity for consent?

Like for instance, take Michael Vic. Style-Dog Fighting. Is cruelty to animals kosher so long as the dogs being forced to fight to the death are owned by those making them fight?

Similarly, what about people with mental disabilities or otherwise impaired abilities to consent: say members of NAMBLA bought a bunch of Children on the free market and and indoctrinated them to consent to sex with older men?

Similarly, the Russian Mafia is alleged to pit homeless drug-addicts against each other in organized "Bum Fights" in Long Island. The addicts agree to fight for drugs & food.

In all cases you have a diminished/non-existent ability for informed consent. How would AnCapistan address problems like these, or would it even consider them problems?

The problem is they're putting these things in a vacuum and not looking at the whole picture of how such events could come to pass.  Why are said addicts starved and drug addicted?  Solve that problem and the bum fights don't happen anymore.  If you can't be bothered to look into the root causes of such things, then you really don't care all that much about it and would do well to just STFU with your faux moral indignation please.

Property rights do NOT allow you to own another person.  Ancoms really need to put that myth to bed already.

Animal abuse is a classic symptom of sociopathy so any DRO would ding you as "high risk to offend" which would have consequences for you for sure.  Not to mention the whole social ostracism thing.  The only reason Michael Vick got a pass and was allowed to play again is because the NFL has political connections and thus is shielded from public scrutiny.  Anyone wanna point me to a wal-mart that rehired an animal abuser?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 29, 2014, 11:35:29 PM
http://www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/may2014/farmers-report-better-animal-health-non-gmo-feed.php
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 30, 2014, 10:03:08 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 29, 2014, 11:23:14 PM
The problem is they're putting these things in a vacuum and not looking at the whole picture of how such events could come to pass.  Why are said addicts starved and drug addicted?  Solve that problem and the bum fights don't happen anymore.  If you can't be bothered to look into the root causes of such things, then you really don't care all that much about it and would do well to just STFU with your faux moral indignation please.

Property rights do NOT allow you to own another person.  Ancoms really need to put that myth to bed already.

Animal abuse is a classic symptom of sociopathy so any DRO would ding you as "high risk to offend" which would have consequences for you for sure.  Not to mention the whole social ostracism thing.  The only reason Michael Vick got a pass and was allowed to play again is because the NFL has political connections and thus is shielded from public scrutiny.  Anyone wanna point me to a wal-mart that rehired an animal abuser?
Indeed.  As getting rid of the war on drugs/prostitution/other victimless crimes would solve a LOT of the former.

What is it with everyone saying property rights = slavery? Would it kill these folks to learn their UPB? Owning people would be to both affirm & anti-affirm property rights (the ones of the owner and ownee respectively) and thus fails the test of universiality and therefore cannot be moral.  This isn't hard people!

And I would also add that government policy tends to make this worse.  Endangered Species Act anyone?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 01, 2014, 01:25:49 AM
OK so I asked thisi guy where his abject hatred of anarcho-captalism stems from and he gavemethis lovely wall of text

QuoteUmm, let's see: You stole Anarchist ideology, twisted it to mean the exact opposite - to support one of the most total tyrannies the world has ever known. You helped set genuine anti-state movements back decades. Simply by existing you make it harder for me to communicate my ideas to others by miss-appropriating anarchist language, and you make it possible for someone to mistake someone like ME with YOU. You lick the boots of the powerful and the oppressive. You dismiss the experience of minorities. You harass and slut-shame women. You apologize for rapists and racists and homophobes. You blunder into conversations you don't understand like a confused bear, and rather than listen and learn and respond you just start saying random shit gleaned from 9th grad history textbooks and 80-year old Red-Scare propaganda. You tried to steal Anarchists memes.
You currently trick honest confused kids looking for answers into following your slavish, deontological propaganda-driven ideology. You appropriate a grand, proud tradition that isn't yours, and steal false ethos for your impotent, reactionary, cultish crank ideology. You are utterly ignorant of history and don't even bother to read your OWN thinkers -preferring to listen to souless, manipulative, youtube charlatans. You confuse not paying your taxes with genuine revolutionary behavior. You despise and mock the poor. You deny that oppression exists, then blame the oppressed for their weakness. You do not listen. You do not respond to the arguments being made. You do not grow. You do not learn.m You do not employ your critical mind. You do not oppose authority, rather you just wish buisiness owners wielded the power of politicians. You refuse to make a distinction between anarchists and Bolsheviks despite a long and bloody history between the two. You fear Stalin is hiding under your bed. You barge your way into communities and spaces not your own, assuming your welcome everywhere you go. You see devils where there are none. You are conspiracists and trolls and sniveling dogmatists. You try to convince people that anarchists wear bowties.

You cannot keep a concept in your heads no matter how many times it's explained to you.

Now, I don't mean "You" as in You personally - I mean "You" as in AnCaps as a whole. You, AnCaps are a living, breathing, MOCKERY of radicalism. You are corpses of dear friends long dead pulled out of the ground and paraded around; their remains worn like an ill-fitting suit, claiming their identity while besmirching their names and trying to hide their memory, YOU ARE HOT GARBAGE AND I CAN'T EVEN BRING MYSELF TO HATE YOU BECAUSE MOST OF YOU AREN'T PARTICULARLY SMART OR GIFTED BUT EVERYTIME I TRY TO FEEL PITY, EVERYTIME I WANT TO REACH OUT TO YOU AND OFFER YOU A FRIENDLY HAND YOU DO SOMETHING AWFUL, but yet I can't give up the hope that MAYBE just maybe SOME of you might one day become a fully-realized human being - yet every day with the STUPID shit you say you prove me wrong. You shake my faith in humanity, because if people like you exist, then what HOPE is there for the rest of us?

AnCaps are a sad pantomime, a twisted shadow on the wall, a sputtering and misshapen mockery of everything that I hold dear - because unlike to you guys this isn't a game to me - class struggle and the need to move beyond capitalist ideas about private property is deathly serious - and you people showing up with your flags and you stupid assed-V's and your pictures of socialists youdon'tevenknowaresocialistsbecauseyou'veneverbotheredtoreadthem, and your STUPID poorly-crafted propaganda that only makeS sense if you have NO IDEA what you're talking About, and of course you don't and refuse to learn EVEN IF FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN TO BETTER ATTACK ANARCHISM AND SOCIALISM.

You shake. My Faith. In People. You Shake. My Faith. In Revolution. You Shake my belief in myself because I WONDER if through some funhouse mirror I am in a way like you.

And that scares the hell out of me. Plus I don't like yellow. It doen''t go with black - unless it's on a bee.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 01, 2014, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 01, 2014, 01:25:49 AM
OK so I asked thisi guy where his abject hatred of anarcho-captalism stems from and he gavemethis lovely wall of text
>>Yellow doesn't go with black unless it's on a bee.
Screw you, OP! I think it goes awesome. :3

"All logical systems of thought are based on certain assumptions we accept as true without proof.  This includes science and mathematics. This makes science no different from religion in many ways.  I just wish religions were more logically organized.  I wish the same of modern science.  Too much that is called science today is pure dogma."--source: http://www.furaffinity.net/full/7809629/

Another from the same well: "if you can live up to your own moral standards completely, you have not set them high enough.  No pole vaulter worth his salt gets over the bar every time.  And to criticize someone for failing to live up to their own standard does them no favor and is no credit to you."
"To me, having two sexes makes no evolutionary sense.  It only makes sense if you believe that it reflects God's own nature."
"I could never be an atheist.  The mere thought of returning to non-existence is utterly unthinkable for me."

Really, most if not all of those quotes in that picture are fail quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on May 01, 2014, 06:55:59 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 01, 2014, 01:25:49 AM
OK so I asked thisi guy where his abject hatred of anarcho-captalism stems from and he gavemethis lovely wall of text

AHHHHHH THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

Honestly this guy needs to get over it and learn econ already :T
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 01, 2014, 07:32:57 PM
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/9aed4243cf1641ffdec08a19ac53bb67/tumblr_muge7b9RsF1qzece6o1_500.png)

Um, how can you own slaves if you don't believe people should be your property? A "libertarian slaveowner" is as oxymoronic as a "communist banker."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 02, 2014, 01:28:57 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 01, 2014, 07:32:57 PM
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/9aed4243cf1641ffdec08a19ac53bb67/tumblr_muge7b9RsF1qzece6o1_500.png)

Um, how can you own slaves if you don't believe people should be your property? A "libertarian slaveowner" is as oxymoronic as a "communist banker."
The Dixiecrats? Nawww, never heard of those.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 02, 2014, 09:23:40 PM
(http://i61.tinypic.com/yyyzd.jpg)

The comment was originally from this thread on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/RichardDawkinsFoundation/posts/10152333446260155).

I know most people tend to block names and pictures out when they do this shit, but honestly if you're dumb enough to say something like this on such a public forum, you deserve to have your name exposed so you can be mocked and humiliated.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 04, 2014, 12:41:43 PM
Dear hippies/naturalistic fallacy users etc,

Go frolic in a field of organic wheat grass away from us and spare us your self righteous noise.

Sincerely,

The rest of humanity.--me
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 05, 2014, 12:28:32 AM
(http://www.asofterworld.com/clean/honest.jpg)

Sweet Celestia! And feminists wonder why they're hated?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 05, 2014, 09:31:09 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 05, 2014, 12:28:32 AM
(http://www.asofterworld.com/clean/honest.jpg)

Sweet Celestia! And feminists wonder why they're hated?
And this is how we know they're the privileged ones not us.  Switch things around.  Let's replace the word "feminist" with "MRA."  While they don't get flak for it, I would bet my last dollar that we sure as fuck would!  Reminds me of the environmentalists who made this shitstain:

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Dear SJWs and other (liberal, but also conservative) psuedo-rebels--stop pretending you are fighting the status quo.  You ARE the status quo and have been for nearly a century now at least!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 06, 2014, 02:24:20 AM
[yt]fmO-ziHU_D8[/yt]
I...... Have Nothing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 06, 2014, 06:25:12 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 06, 2014, 02:24:20 AM
[yt]fmO-ziHU_D8[/yt]
I...... Have Nothing.

That's been happening for years. It started with the idea of timed debates and people wanting to Gish Gallop. It's basically turned into Auctioneer School.

Debates are NOT a good format for coming to conclusions or for giving information to an audience. They ARE a good format for people who want to win by lying and cheating. That's why creationists love them so much!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 06, 2014, 06:40:56 AM
QuoteAnarchism is direct democracy. That is why it is good.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 06, 2014, 09:37:50 AM
Quote from: tnu on May 06, 2014, 06:40:56 AM
Quote from: pillockAnarchism is direct democracy. That is why it is good.
Said by an anarcho-communist, no doubt.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 06, 2014, 03:23:21 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 06, 2014, 02:24:20 AM
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I...... Have Nothing.

What the fuck did I just watch?

No seriously, I want to know what I just watched. Christ my head hurts just listening to them speed through a whole fuckton of nothing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 06, 2014, 03:38:55 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 06, 2014, 06:25:12 AM
That's been happening for years. It started with the idea of timed debates and people wanting to Gish Gallop. It's basically turned into Auctioneer School.

Debates are NOT a good format for coming to conclusions or for giving information to an audience. They ARE a good format for people who want to win by lying and cheating. That's why creationists love them so much!

I still should be able to understand what the fuck you are saying.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 07, 2014, 01:36:39 AM
So, My old church has gotten onto Facebook.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 08, 2014, 11:42:38 PM
http://appalachianareanews.com/teen-dead-after-alabama-police-cut-throat-open-to-retrieve-drugs/
THE FUCK?!?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 08, 2014, 11:52:51 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 09, 2014, 07:37:24 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 08, 2014, 11:52:51 PM
[yt]TKN4sB1Ypiw[/yt]

Just when I thougth I was getting some good news (ie, another Atheism and Libertarianism video) I actualy remember what thread this is posted in.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 09, 2014, 08:05:36 AM
Quote from: tnu on May 09, 2014, 07:37:24 AM
Just when I thougth I was getting some good news (ie, another Atheism and Libertarianism video) I actualy remember what thread this is posted in.
Now you know how people who pay Asylum films in accident feels.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 09, 2014, 02:16:16 PM
http://www.cnet.com/news/fbi-we-need-wiretap-ready-web-sites-now/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 10, 2014, 03:48:13 AM
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I..... I...... .........
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 10, 2014, 04:11:05 AM
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O....M....F.....G!



Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 10, 2014, 04:16:19 AM
Quote from: tnu on May 10, 2014, 03:48:13 AM
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I..... I...... .........

So you would rather allow women to be raped then allow them to defend themselves? Cunts!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 10, 2014, 07:50:07 AM
Quote from: tnu on May 10, 2014, 03:48:13 AM
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I..... I...... .........

And just wait for the deafening silence from feminists on this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 10, 2014, 08:53:54 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on May 10, 2014, 07:50:07 AM
And just wait for the deafening silence from feminists on this.
[Feminist LOLgic]HOW DARE YOU! THIS POOR OPPRESSED WOMYN DID THIS BECAUSE SHE WAS CLEARLY UNDER DIRECT CONTROL OF THE EVIL PATRIARCHY YOU SEXIST PIG! CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE AND REPENT YOUR PENIS![/Feminist LOLgic]

Sorry, I couldn't resist. haha.  But yeah, gotta love the groupthink and insanity of feminists.  I never understood how SJWs/feminists can consider treating anyone who isn't a white heterosexual male to have far less agency than a child to NOT be bigoted and patronizing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 10, 2014, 01:01:15 PM
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You know, maybe a better use of your time and ideas is to stop thinking of one group as better or worse than another and to start thinking as individuals.

Collectivism may come across to some as people as a group, but it's easily one of the biggest dividers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 10, 2014, 01:40:19 PM
Quote from: D on May 10, 2014, 01:01:15 PM
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You know, maybe a better use of your time and ideas is to stop thinking of one group as better or worse than another and to start thinking as individuals.

Collectivism may come across to some as people as a group, but it's easily one of the biggest dividers.
OP is a pussy-whipped misandric bigot.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 10, 2014, 03:17:09 PM
Quote from: D on May 10, 2014, 01:01:15 PM
You know, maybe a better use of your time and ideas is to stop thinking of one group as better or worse than another and to start thinking as individuals.

I just can't stop thinking of how much it's changed in my lifetime. When I was growing up, it was "Women's Lib," which was excellently summarized in a Doctor Who episode as "We women don't let men push us around!" It was about empowerment, about women standing on their own two feet and not taking it anymore. They did sit-ins and other forms of peaceful protest. Some of them, taking the cue from Gandhi, even braved jail time to point out sexism in public policy.

Somewhere along the line, "Women's lib" became "feminism." I don't know how it's related, but it was around that time that it stopped being about the empowerment of women and started being about how women are helpless, oppressed victims who need recompense.

"Women's lib" was "We don't need men because we're just as capable as them." "Feminism" is "We need men to give us stuff because we're victims."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 10, 2014, 03:23:12 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 10, 2014, 03:17:09 PM
I just can't stop thinking of how much it's changed in my lifetime. When I was growing up, it was "Women's Lib," which was excellently summarized in a Doctor Who episode as "We women don't let men push us around!" It was about empowerment, about women standing on their own two feet and not taking it anymore. They did sit-ins and other forms of peaceful protest. Some of them, taking the cue from Gandhi, even braved jail time to point out sexism in public policy.

Somewhere along the line, "Women's lib" became "feminism." I don't know how it's related, but it was around that time that it stopped being about the empowerment of women and started being about how women are helpless, oppressed victims who need recompense.

"Women's lib" was "We don't need men because we're just as capable as them." "Feminism" is "We need men to give us stuff because we're victims."
(emphasis added by me)
While ironically still calling themselves *better* than men. wtf?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 10, 2014, 04:22:53 PM
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I hate this fucking picture. This has nothing to do with "being old school" and everything to do with not being a dick.

We had punks when we were kids, our parents had punks when they were kids, our grandparents had punks when they were kids and even the dinosaurs had punks when they were kids.

It only seems worse now because it's no longer your generation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 10, 2014, 04:32:28 PM
Quote from: D on May 10, 2014, 04:22:53 PM
[img]We had punks when we were kids, our parents had punks when they were kids, our grandparents had punks when they were kids and even the dinosaurs had punks when they were kids.

Well, Stegosauruses DID have Mohawks...

QuoteIt only seems worse now because it's no longer your generation.

It always seems worse when it's the Not We. Generation gaps can be as bad as class or racial divides.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 10, 2014, 07:17:28 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 10, 2014, 04:32:28 PM
Well, Stegosauruses DID have Mohawks...
LOL!

Quote from: MrBogosity on May 10, 2014, 04:32:28 PMIt always seems worse when it's the Not We. Generation gaps can be as bad as class or racial divides.
And gender divides, given some of the insanely bigoted things many feminists seem to say and advocate...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 11, 2014, 12:27:27 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 10, 2014, 04:32:28 PM
Well, Stegosauruses DID have Mohawks...

the inevitable reply: and God struck them down with mass extinctions, so that virtually no stegosaurs survived the end of the Jurassic. May it be a lesson for all Punk lovers and Emo ravers :P

(OK, seriously though: the Stegosauridae were totally crushed by the end-Jurassic extinction event: perhaps one or two species continue past the boundary, but not for long).

the whole thing reminds me of what Dad had to say on the matter of generations (not fail--win in fact):

Quotewhen I was young, I didn't listen to what my father told me. Now that I'm a father, and have a son who is like me, I realize he was right, but now my  son isn't listening to me.

in case you're wondering, he's referring to my brother, not me. basically: the story always repeats itself. it never really changes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 11, 2014, 08:18:59 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 11, 2014, 12:27:27 AM
(OK, seriously though: the Stegosauridae were totally crushed by the end-Jurassic extinction event: perhaps one or two species continue past the boundary, but not for long).

Cretaceous, actually. The Cretaceous period followed the Jurassic and was the last period of the Mesozoic. The boundary is called the K-Pg (Cretaceous-Paleogene) event, formerly known as the K-T (Cretaceous-Tertiary).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 12, 2014, 02:14:45 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 11, 2014, 08:18:59 AM
Cretaceous, actually. The Cretaceous period followed the Jurassic and was the last period of the Mesozoic. The boundary is called the K-Pg (Cretaceous-Paleogene) event, formerly known as the K-T (Cretaceous-Tertiary).

no--it is the Jurassic: that was not a typo. the end Jurassic event is a separate event from the end cretaceous--and much less well known to the public (and much less severe: it is not one of the 5 big mass-extinctions: End Ordovician, End Devonian, End Permian (the worst of them), End Triassic, and End Cretaceous (or K-Pg boundary). if you consider what is going on today a major mass extinction event (I don't--too early to tell), then it would be six.

The Jurassic also had an extinction event of similar size at the end of the Pliensbachian and into the Toarcian stages, about 30 million years earlier.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 12, 2014, 06:17:40 AM
I stand corrected, then.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 12, 2014, 12:49:33 PM
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Can somebody please put this tired argument I am so sicko f debating ancoms and them coming u p with the bogus argument that "Homesteading/labor theory of property is invalid because shitting on something or peeing/pouring kool aid in the ocean doesn't makeit mine."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 12, 2014, 03:12:54 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 12, 2014, 12:49:33 PM
Can somebody please put this tired argument I am so sicko f debating ancoms and them coming u p with the bogus argument that "Homesteading/labor theory of property is invalid because shitting on something or peeing/pouring kool aid in the ocean doesn't makeit mine."

I can't see the link, but if they can't tell the difference between homesteading and a dog peeing on a tree then I'm not sure there's any getting through to them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on May 12, 2014, 03:30:16 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 12, 2014, 12:49:33 PM
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Can somebody please put this tired argument I am so sicko f debating ancoms and them coming u p with the bogus argument that "Homesteading/labor theory of property is invalid because shitting on something or peeing/pouring kool aid in the ocean doesn't makeit mine."

I agree with Shane on this one, even if we leave off the dog reference. Homesteading generally requires a home to be built, and for the person(s) claiming the property to be domiciled there for some substantial amount of time; so just casually walking by, with or without body functions, isn't going to do it.

Can you homestead on the ocean or other body of water? I guess it's theoretically possible, but what would be considered yours would be the pier/land/dock that your houseboat is regularly anchored at, not the water.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 12, 2014, 04:36:44 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 12, 2014, 12:49:33 PM
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Can somebody please put this tired argument I am so sicko f debating ancoms and them coming u p with the bogus argument that "Homesteading/labor theory of property is invalid because shitting on something or peeing/pouring kool aid in the ocean doesn't makeit mine."
Adding to Shane's post, I find it a bit...odd that he talks about how property/homesteading/etc is invalid...using his property--a computer..just..wtf?

Also, I even tried entering in the link myself, and messing with it and it still didn't work. :(
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 12, 2014, 04:42:37 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 12, 2014, 04:36:44 PM
Adding to Shane's post, I find it a bit...odd that he talks about how property/homesteading/etc is invalid...using his property--a computer..just..wtf?

They differentiate between "personal property" and "private property." It's private property they're against, not personal property. As near as I can figure, "personal property" is defined as "stuff I want to keep."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 12, 2014, 04:47:58 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 12, 2014, 04:42:37 PM
They differentiate between "personal property" and "private property." It's private property they're against, not personal property. As near as I can figure, "personal property" is defined as "stuff I want to keep."
AKA, the "BUT THAT DOESN'T COUNT!" excuse, natch.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on May 12, 2014, 04:59:55 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 12, 2014, 04:42:37 PM
They differentiate between "personal property" and "private property." It's private property they're against, not personal property. As near as I can figure, "personal property" is defined as "stuff I want to keep."

Not quite. They define "personal property" pretty much like "shit you can carry" and private property as "stuff that's permanently fixed to that one spot". I guess cars and the like are a grey area.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 12, 2014, 05:07:19 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on May 12, 2014, 04:59:55 PM
Not quite. They define "personal property" pretty much like "shit you can carry" and private property as "stuff that's permanently fixed to that one spot". I guess cars and the like are a grey area.

So you can own stuff, you just can't own anywhere to keep it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on May 12, 2014, 05:10:13 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 12, 2014, 05:07:19 PM
So you can own stuff, you just can't own anywhere to keep it.

Pretty much, yep.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 12, 2014, 09:39:09 PM
It's the same thing as any property.  If I spend time tending to a plot of land and making a thriving farm out of it, it really doesn't make sense to argue that I'm "stealing" that farm from everyone by claiming ownership of it because that argument presupposes that my time and labour has no value.
This is why you can't just point to land and say "Mine!", you have to actually do something with it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 12, 2014, 09:53:03 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on May 12, 2014, 09:39:09 PM
It's the same thing as any property.  If I spend time tending to a plot of land and making a thriving farm out of it, it really doesn't make sense to argue that I'm "stealing" that farm from everyone by claiming ownership of it because that argument presupposes that my time and labour has no value.
This is why you can't just point to land and say "Mine!", you have to actually do something with it.
Indeed! Which is why the labor theory of value is a contradiction with the 'property is theft' mantra of communists. 

Personally, I will always adore James Ostrowski's rebuttal to the Labor Theory of Value (win quote):
"According to the labor theory of value, the workers could have gone to a vacant lot, and produced the same amount of wealth by replicating the same physical actions they undertook working for the greedy capitalist, this time without a building and without any equipment, management, customers or business plan. If we take away the greedy capitalist, these little details must go as well."-- https://mises.org/daily/1132/Chomskys-Economics
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on May 13, 2014, 01:45:12 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on May 12, 2014, 04:59:55 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 12, 2014, 04:42:37 PM
They differentiate between "personal property" and "private property." It's private property they're against, not personal property. As near as I can figure, "personal property" is defined as "stuff I want to keep."
Not quite. They define "personal property" pretty much like "shit you can carry" and private property as "stuff that's permanently fixed to that one spot". I guess cars and the like are a grey area.

Giving my two cents, having dealt with this sort of argument approximately two or three times before.

Broadly speaking, I think Shane has it right. People who are against private property and for personal property seem to do so because they think it gives them moral justification to steal from others while saying their own stuff is off-limits.

I say this mostly because I've heard several explanations as to what the difference is between "personal" and "private" properties. Near as I can tell, the only common theme (and, in fact, the reason it was brought up at all) is that it conveniently allows the apologist in question to keep their own stuff.

And now, for my own amusement (and hopefully yours, as well), I'd like to re-introduce you to the most bogus, most immoral explanation (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=315.msg15033#msg15033) for the difference between personal and private properties I've ever seen, brought to you by former YouTube user antonkowalski.

antonkowalski
Personal property is part of your person and includes property from which you have the right to exclude others. Private property is a social relationship, not a relationship between person and thing.

Altimadark
So by your logic, if you own a house and use it just for you and your family, it's personal property, but if you rent out a room (social relationship), it's suddenly private property.

There is nothing to add. That is right. That's why we need to socialize private property to give it to people who need it as personal property.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 13, 2014, 03:04:00 AM
It's been a while since I looked at this vid

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I was bored so while scrolling through the comments I found this by c0nc0rdance

QuoteAh, the gun utopia of Switzerland.  Let's take a closer look, though.

Most of the guns in Switzerland are in the hands of reservist soldiers.  Most of the non-military guns are match and hunting rifles.  Handguns make up less than 10% of private gun ownership.

90% of murders in Switzerland are committed with guns.  Though their rates of gun homicide are lower than the US, they are higher than most of Western Europe (0.2 gun homicides per 100,000 population in Germany vs. 3.5 gun homicides per 100,000 in Switzerland).

There's a universal registration process including mandatory background check.  Gun import/export is tightly regulated.  Non sporting rifle weapons require a justification and inspection by the local law enforcement.  Recent referenda to require all weapons to be stored in lockers at shooting ranges or armories were defeated by a narrow margin (54% voted against).

A February 27th, 2013 mass shooting outside a factory in Lucerne left four dead, six injured.
The Zug Massacre of September 27th, 2001 was a mass shooting in the canton's parliament building.  A sole gunman, Friedrich Leibacher, using civilian forms of military weapons, managed to shoot and kill 15, and injure another 18.

http://www.npr.org/2013/03/19/174758723/facing-switzerland-gun-culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/27/us-swiss-shooting-idUSBRE91Q0KB20130227
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zug_massacre
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Heres my response

Quote+C0nc0rdance Germany's overall murder rate 0.8/100000, Switzerlands overall murder rate- 0.7/100000.

Germany < Switzerland

C0nc0rdance looking at only gun murders is cherry picking. You have to look at the overall homicide rate. Picking on only gun murders in my opinion is also very selfish because you basically implying that people killed by other means are not as valuable those killed with firearms. See how repugnant that sounds?

BTW two of the worst school massacres (erfurt & winneden) were in Germany.

Yes the Swiss laws are stricter than the USA but they are one of the more lenient ones in Western Europe, at least compared to places like the UK and Germany.

Going on about Handguns, Handgun ownership in the UK (muzzle loaders, 1-2 shot break actions for the most part)  is not even one percent of the population yet their rate is 1.2 almost double the Swiss rate and gun control in the UK did not stop the Cumbria shooting in the 2010 either. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 13, 2014, 06:10:42 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on May 13, 2014, 01:45:12 AM
Broadly speaking, I think Shane has it right. People who are against private property and for personal property seem to do so because they think it gives them moral justification to steal from others while saying their own stuff is off-limits.

I say this mostly because I've heard several explanations as to what the difference is between "personal" and "private" properties. Near as I can tell, the only common theme (and, in fact, the reason it was brought up at all) is that it conveniently allows the apologist in question to keep their own stuff.

Usually after we give them the ol' "So it's all right if I come and take your TV?" argument.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 13, 2014, 10:34:23 AM
https://mises.org/daily/6101/The-Molyneux-Problem
I'll be the first to admit that Stef's book was rather...poorly written and hard to parse (for me at least), but honestly? The criticisms here just strike me as hair-splitting and nit picking tbh.
I suspect the follow up:  https://mises.org/daily/6105/ isn't any better.

I found Hawkeye's description of UPB vastly better than Stef's (epic win quote):  http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/Arguing-from-first-principles-morality-321855155
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 13, 2014, 11:30:41 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on May 12, 2014, 03:30:16 PM
Can you homestead on the ocean or other body of water? I guess it's theoretically possible, but what would be considered yours would be the pier/land/dock that your houseboat is regularly anchored at, not the water.
And it's definitely possible practically speaking, if Fish Legal and the Canadian Fisheries prior to the government's takeover of them roughly 20-30 years ago would have been any indicator.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 13, 2014, 11:34:11 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on May 12, 2014, 09:39:09 PM
It's the same thing as any property.  If I spend time tending to a plot of land and making a thriving farm out of it, it really doesn't make sense to argue that I'm "stealing" that farm from everyone by claiming ownership of it because that argument presupposes that my time and labour has no value.
This is why you can't just point to land and say "Mine!", you have to actually do something with it.
Given the first sentence it sounds like communists aren't so much butthurt at us as they are reality--two people can hold the same idea, but two people can't eat the same orange or occupy the same space, etc, as that article "The Fight Against IP" on the Mises Institute website noted.  We're simply being descriptive in our descriptions of tangible property because of the inherent scarcity of it.  The first rule of economics after all is that wants are infinite, while wealth/resources/etc are all finite after all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 13, 2014, 06:59:37 PM
I don't know exactly how to qualify this, but I'm putting it in Fail Quotes because of either a massive blunder on their part, or their blatant removal of the source of the quote.

Either way, Being Liberal quoting Ayn Rand is fucking hilarious.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 14, 2014, 12:14:24 AM
Quote from: D on May 13, 2014, 06:59:37 PM
I don't know exactly how to qualify this, but I'm putting it in Fail Quotes because of either a massive blunder on their part, or their blatant removal of the source of the quote.

Either way, Being Liberal quoting Ayn Rand is fucking hilarious.

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Speaking of Being Liberal!
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 14, 2014, 12:28:08 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 14, 2014, 12:14:24 AM

Speaking of Being Liberal!
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/s403x403/3594_591321220880984_545300068_n.jpg)
@Being Liberal--"Yup, just like racial profiling, and needing to do that!"--an honest cop (aka no cop ever).

I remember back in the good 'ol days (lol) when they were talking big about personal liberty and against that kind of bullshit logic when the republicans used it for airport security...We see where you are when the shoe is on the other foot.  Fuck them.  Also, so...why do cops, the miltary, etc all get a free pass?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 14, 2014, 12:52:55 AM
because they enjoy giving fellatio to the government.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 14, 2014, 06:04:32 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 14, 2014, 12:14:24 AM
Speaking of Being Liberal!
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/s403x403/3594_591321220880984_545300068_n.jpg)

And if you're worried about NSA spying, you're probably a reason we need it.

So in other words, if you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't need to worry.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 14, 2014, 11:21:56 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 14, 2014, 06:04:32 AM
And if you're worried about NSA spying, you're probably a reason we need it.

So in other words, if you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't need to worry.
And as our old friend Harry Browne pointed out, your innocence is no defense or protection.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 14, 2014, 11:24:20 AM
Wee. More bogosity from mom.
"I saw something on 60 Minutes showing how disgusting farm raised salmon is.  So yeah, no more of that.  And I saw online showing there's disease outbreaks in that waiting to happen.  Disgusting."
Yeah, sorry, I'm not buying it.  I've been lied to by the 'pure all natural' hippy fucktards too many times. Haven't these assholes ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? A lot of these are the same people crying about how we *need* government to protect us from having people poison our food or whatever.  Am I to conclude they're lying therefore on at least one of those accounts?  And if it's different people, why don't they ever call EACH OTHER out on it? Group Think that would make even the freakin' Nazi and Communist Parties blush.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 14, 2014, 01:58:10 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 14, 2014, 11:24:20 AM
Wee. More bogosity from mom.
"I saw something on 60 Minutes showing how disgusting farm raised salmon is.  So yeah, no more of that.  And I saw online showing there's disease outbreaks in that waiting to happen.  Disgusting."
Yeah, sorry, I'm not buying it.  I've been lied to by the 'pure all natural' hippy fucktards too many times. Haven't these assholes ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? A lot of these are the same people crying about how we *need* government to protect us from having people poison our food or whatever.  Am I to conclude they're lying therefore on at least one of those accounts?  And if it's different people, why don't they ever call EACH OTHER out on it? Group Think that would make even the freakin' Nazi and Communist Parties blush.

Not to mention: "Let's ban catching wild salmon!" "Hey, why are all the wild salmon dying out?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on May 14, 2014, 05:35:24 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 14, 2014, 11:24:20 AM
Wee. More bogosity from mom.
"I saw something on 60 Minutes showing how disgusting farm raised salmon is.  So yeah, no more of that.  And I saw online showing there's disease outbreaks in that waiting to happen.  Disgusting."
Yeah, sorry, I'm not buying it.  I've been lied to by the 'pure all natural' hippy fucktards too many times. Haven't these assholes ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? A lot of these are the same people crying about how we *need* government to protect us from having people poison our food or whatever.  Am I to conclude they're lying therefore on at least one of those accounts?  And if it's different people, why don't they ever call EACH OTHER out on it? Group Think that would make even the freakin' Nazi and Communist Parties blush.

I think 60 Minutes is already widely known for outrageous reporting.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 15, 2014, 01:12:33 AM
 'A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.' -- Paul Simon
'Speak for yourself, you don't speak for all men.'--Me, responding to the above.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 15, 2014, 02:00:44 AM
Well, since I got the above quote from this guy, I figured I'd post this here too.  Since I already posted that godawful 'truism' poster of his earlier.
http://www.furaffinity.net/full/8206819/

My thoughts on it/would-be comment on it, since I don't feel like starting a flame war with this bloke:
"Let me preface this by saying that I LOVE porn.  It is the primary reason I'm on this site and have been almost since it first started.  Folks, like it or not, this site is and has always been a furry smut archive (seriously, the first piece submitted was a furry inflation fetish art piece) and I wouldn't have it any other way.  I've always seen it as a furry alternative to DA--which isn't exclusively furry and doesn't allow adult art.  We tried going to y!Gallery, but not long after, they banned all furry art around the time FA was launched, so a lot of us headed to the latter instead.  So FA simply filled a much needed niche.  Sites like DA, FA, Facebook, Twitter, etc were also becoming the norm as it takes skill, time, patience and other things a LOT of us didn't have enough to spare of to create and maintain individual websites.
I never got the crying and drama surrounding this meme's paradigm.  I also never got the puritan pseudo superiority complex of those that don't draw porn because they think it's beneath them, dirty, unclean, or whatever.  Why not just simply draw both but on separate accounts, or what have you, or maybe just put the porn pieces in scraps, and the clean stuff in your main gallery, etc.  Or if you're on an art site that lets you place stuff in folders, make a folder for them instead.  But if you're going to be a scrub about this, fine. Just don't complain when the consequences hit you. It reminds me of someone trying to choose between majoring in Art/Music/etc instead of Engineering/Accounting/etc--they might love the former, but the latter is where the money is at.  Money with a job you can tolerate vs poor with job you might love more.  Research your options and choose one that fits you and stop whining about how the grass is greener in the one you don't have.
Granted, it's one thing if you don't want to be known for it offline as well as online, *that* I can understand, but it's part of that same puritan nonsense that's still so prevalent in this culture.  I mean, war/people being blown up in movies is okay and awesome etc, but a nip slip? Someone call the fucking coast guard! Gimme a break.  May that nonsense die out soon."

BTW, if you're wondering why I post the full page instead of just embedding the image, it's because I've tried that here with Furaffinity, but it is very unreliable with that website and often doesn't even work. :(
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 15, 2014, 03:07:05 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 14, 2014, 01:58:10 PM
Not to mention: "Let's ban catching wild salmon!" "Hey, why are all the wild salmon dying out?"

yeah, I've seen that way too many times. Unless it's a beaver or a crocodilian (the latter born survivors), attempts at these bans tend to go tits up: just ask the Rhinos.


(actually, I had this fancy idea today, after watching a documentary on them (obviously not a serious thought, but idle speculation): why not plant beavers along several key rivers in the Maghreb and the Holy land? sounds weird at first, till you realize that Beavers seem to be a major factor to soil fertiility in the Americas--even in Arid regions like the Sierra Nevadas. there is a lot of empty space back home, and could use a few trees (which are native to the area--we cut them all down 1,000-2,000 years ago: we've had to live with the consequences ever since.). If we can expand them gradually into the desert, and reforest/fertilize the area, we could feed more people, and perhaps alleviate (if not reverse) global warming.

I know, I know, it's whimsical, but that's how I roll at times.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 15, 2014, 07:33:10 PM
This entire conversation is pretty fail (https://www.facebook.com/TheRealDanvandam/posts/10152031899942234?comment_id=10152032781157234&offset=0&total_comments=15&notif_t=share_reply)

This quote in particular is super fail:
QuoteWorked for me. Every time I was dis-respectful, my dad made sure it never happened again. There's a fine line between discipline and abuse.

Let's look at what he just said shall we?

Use of the words "every time" and "never again" make this completely self-defeating. "Every time" implies more than once, meaning the "discipline" didn't prevent it from ever happening again. So clearly, it didn't work.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 15, 2014, 07:44:23 PM
HA HA HA HA!
http://www.shaolin.org/answers/sp-issues/prove.html
Man, the quacks China produces. (Not that the US is better.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on May 15, 2014, 08:27:45 PM
Quote from: D on May 15, 2014, 07:33:10 PM
This entire conversation is pretty fail (https://www.facebook.com/TheRealDanvandam/posts/10152031899942234?comment_id=10152032781157234&offset=0&total_comments=15&notif_t=share_reply)

This quote in particular is super fail:
Let's look at what he just said shall we?

Use of the words "every time" and "never again" make this completely self-defeating. "Every time" implies more than once, meaning the "discipline" didn't prevent it from ever happening again. So clearly, it didn't work.

Unfortunately, that page appears to have been removed, I was hoping for a laugh. That specific thing, however, I suspect what was meant was "Every time I was disrespectful, my dad made sure that specific disrespectful thing never happened again." Which is a plausible statement, since there are many ways of being disrespectful. Since the conversation isn't there, I don't know what  supposedly "worked for him". The likelihood of it being strictly true, even allowing that he meant what I just said, is still marginal.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 15, 2014, 08:47:12 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on May 15, 2014, 08:27:45 PM
Unfortunately, that page appears to have been removed, I was hoping for a laugh. That specific thing, however, I suspect what was meant was "Every time I was disrespectful, my dad made sure that specific disrespectful thing never happened again." Which is a plausible statement, since there are many ways of being disrespectful. Since the conversation isn't there, I don't know what  supposedly "worked for him". The likelihood of it being strictly true, even allowing that he meant what I just said, is still marginal.

It's there, it's probably just friends only or something. I clicked the link and it brought me to the conversation just fine.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 15, 2014, 09:36:14 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on May 15, 2014, 08:27:45 PM
Unfortunately, that page appears to have been removed, I was hoping for a laugh. That specific thing, however, I suspect what was meant was "Every time I was disrespectful, my dad made sure that specific disrespectful thing never happened again." Which is a plausible statement, since there are many ways of being disrespectful. Since the conversation isn't there, I don't know what  supposedly "worked for him". The likelihood of it being strictly true, even allowing that he meant what I just said, is still marginal.

Even so, it's still self-defeating. All it means is that he was unaware that that particular action was deemed disrespectful, in which case, simply informing him of it would have been sufficient. If his intention was to be disrespectful, then the prior punishments obviously didn't work. It would never have been "Don't be disrespectful in this particular way but it's still okay to be disrespectful in others"; negative reinforcement just doesn't work that way.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 15, 2014, 09:48:25 PM
Unfortunately, tinypic shrunk the image, however everything is still readable if you look a little more closely.

The entire discussion:
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/o7syo4.jpg)

OP just made another status with the following cowardly bullshit:
QuoteFrom now on I will not be posting touchie subject based videos/photos, etc on my wall. As it seems to trigger firefights. We can all agree to disagree, and then leave it like that. If I have things to share, I will share with close friends alike. So basically if I share anything, it will be mostly my hobbies. As I have been doing aside from things there and here. At the end of the day everyone has a opinion, and its just that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on May 16, 2014, 12:03:23 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 15, 2014, 09:36:14 PM
Even so, it's still self-defeating. All it means is that he was unaware that that particular action was deemed disrespectful, in which case, simply informing him of it would have been sufficient. If his intention was to be disrespectful, then the prior punishments obviously didn't work. It would never have been "Don't be disrespectful in this particular way but it's still okay to be disrespectful in others"; negative reinforcement just doesn't work that way.

Well, yes. In normal situations, that is true.

Except in cases where the parent is using the word "disrespectful" to mean any thought/action they don't like.

And "opposite of (disrespectful)" when your talking about someone on a platform like fucking X-box, where they're mainly trying to play with people their own age. In that case, the only thing that's "disrespectful" is being a douche that makes a youtube/facebook about a kid behaving exactly like everyone else, and singling him out in public. Especially if you don't know that kid or his parents; if you do know them - there are more discreet and effective ways to handle it.

@ D: I was wrong. I found no humour in that conversation. What I would do? Pretend I'm not there to parent other peoples kids on fucking X-box, and just play or if it bothered me that much (which it probably wouldn't) go to a different server.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on May 16, 2014, 03:22:08 AM
Quote from: tnu on May 10, 2014, 03:48:13 AM
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I..... I...... .........

It's a fake (http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1622717). Most likely satire, as this is the same sort of line used for some fake Brady Campaign posters (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1414864_Fake_Brady_Campaign_posters_.html).

Then again, the source for the fake Brady posters suggests somebody wanted to get it confused for the real McCoy, so it could be a poe.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 17, 2014, 12:12:14 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/eJeh1bN.png)

Why is it that whenever I see something written by a SJW, chances are, it's going to reek of biological ignorance?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 17, 2014, 12:17:12 AM
TRIGGER WARNING: This fail contains rape culture and victim blaming. If you read this, you may feel tempted to either punch your computer screen or toss your computer across the room. Read at your own risk:

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/1dde42ab8e36d736ff48cb4346370e69/tumblr_n4ii0iaAtf1rq01f1o1_r1_500.jpg)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/5302723a3c022e61f0d01b4a47d08e76/tumblr_n4ii0iaAtf1rq01f1o2_1280.jpg)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/710f201a6942a997c43e9992cdfd9341/tumblr_n4ii0iaAtf1rq01f1o3_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 17, 2014, 05:51:55 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 17, 2014, 12:12:14 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/eJeh1bN.png)

Why is it that whenever I see something written by a SJW, chances are, it's going to reek of biological ignorance?
Good lord! And I thought Young Earth Creationists took the cake for biological stupidity!

Ditto for your next post in terms of victim blaming and rape culture.  Figures they'd be projecting on that stuff...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 17, 2014, 06:43:08 AM
So an interesting development has occured on my Etymology of 'Libertarian' journal on DA:  http://travis-retriever.deviantart.com/journal/Etymology-of-Libertarian-428567763

The-Laughing-Rabbit:  The first known use of the word was a letter in France, in reference to the communists of the Paris Commune.

Me:  [Citation Needed]

The-Laughing-Rabbit:  Huh, I was wrong. The letter I was thinking of was in 1857,and directed at Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, http://joseph.dejacque.free.fr/etudes/neologisme.htm also the letter is in French, so unless you speak it, you're going to need to translate it.

While it *does* predate the use of it we use that came about 10 years later, I actually clicked the link and did a Ctrl + f search and found it isn't even the same word...yeah... so kind of a stretch imho.  And while I should have added this earlier, here's the thing.  Even IF they were right and we "stole" it from the socialists/communists/etc, so what? As with the word "universe" and Kent Hovind it would STILL be a bogus appeal to Etymology as has been discussed in that unnamed fallacy thread.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 17, 2014, 08:04:48 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 17, 2014, 05:51:55 AM
Good lord! And I thought Young Earth Creationists took the cake for biological stupidity!

Ditto for your next post in terms of victim blaming and rape culture.  Figures they'd be projecting on that stuff...

Yeah, on those occasions where the writers for Huffy aren't totally fail, you can rely on their readers to be.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 17, 2014, 08:05:26 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 17, 2014, 08:20:43 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 17, 2014, 12:12:14 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/eJeh1bN.png)

Why is it that whenever I see something written by a SJW, chances are, it's going to reek of biological ignorance?

The clitoris is a penis the way the trachea is a gill.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BogosityForumUser on May 17, 2014, 01:11:31 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 17, 2014, 08:20:43 AM
The clitoris is a penis the way the trachea is a gill.

I guess that explains this guy: http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/1000/longest-time-breath-held-voluntarily-%28male%29  </sarcasm>
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 17, 2014, 07:48:49 PM
Quote from: BogosityForumUser on May 17, 2014, 01:11:31 PM
I guess that explains this guy: http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/1000/longest-time-breath-held-voluntarily-%28male%29  </sarcasm>

I'm more impressed by the cute lady who can break three balloons in 12 seconds :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 18, 2014, 11:34:43 AM
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5767684/
More whiny misandric horseshit: "Why are men so...ugh! So many words I dont to say in public. >.< "
Not helping are the fucktards in the comments agreeing with her, and the other folks saying, "HUR DUR PEOPLE SUCK!" etc.
I guess she forgot to check the friend zone. 8)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on May 18, 2014, 12:24:59 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 14, 2014, 08:35:32 PM
(https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10250165_621900194554087_6533867382772275600_n.png)

And when said month actually rolls around, 76% of Switzerland voters vote against it.

Switzerland rejects world's highest minimum wage (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27459178#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 18, 2014, 07:51:23 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on May 18, 2014, 12:24:59 PM
And when said month actually rolls around, 76% of Switzerland voters vote against it.

Switzerland rejects world's highest minimum wage (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27459178#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa)

I approve.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 20, 2014, 06:42:26 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/988866_1492272897651464_556017899437037258_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on May 20, 2014, 06:56:05 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 20, 2014, 06:42:26 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/988866_1492272897651464_556017899437037258_n.png)

"Good ideas don't need force, so stop trying to kill me or I'll shoot you."

Someone can't seem to tell the difference between force and defense
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 20, 2014, 07:53:36 PM
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/604059_10152298408204255_1179446452_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2014, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 20, 2014, 07:53:36 PM
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/604059_10152298408204255_1179446452_n.jpg)
"Do you see a pattern here?"
Is it, 'resistance is futile, join the borg or die?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 21, 2014, 12:20:05 PM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10325278_690366074364493_5923627391278623211_n.jpg)
I really hate arguments like this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on May 21, 2014, 04:37:05 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 21, 2014, 12:20:05 PM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10325278_690366074364493_5923627391278623211_n.jpg)
I really hate arguments like this.

Adding my two cents on this; considering he died before the home computer was a thing, I'd think if we had followed his advice, this graphic wouldn't even exist, nor would there be an internet to post it on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on May 21, 2014, 10:33:48 PM
From a Political Forum I lurk at 

QuoteQuote: Originally Posted by Amelia  View Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Katzndogz  View Post
It should happen to all druggies! In all the nonsense coming out of the courts this is the first good decision in years.

Someone who makes marijuana brownies should get a harsher sentence than a rapist?
A rapist might be rehabilitated. Not so with drug addicts. How many people could his brownies have poisoned?

And here's the story by the way

http://news.yahoo.com/life-in-prison-pot-hash-brownies-texas-150807587.html?bcmt=comments-postbox (http://news.yahoo.com/life-in-prison-pot-hash-brownies-texas-150807587.html?bcmt=comments-postbox)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 21, 2014, 10:45:48 PM
Quote from: Dukect45 on May 21, 2014, 10:33:48 PM
From a Political Forum I lurk at 


And here's the story by the way

http://news.yahoo.com/life-in-prison-pot-hash-brownies-texas-150807587.html?bcmt=comments-postbox (http://news.yahoo.com/life-in-prison-pot-hash-brownies-texas-150807587.html?bcmt=comments-postbox)

how many? none. it's fucking marijuana.

and you have it backwards: a drug addict can be rehabilitated. first though we have to stop treating the problem as if it were a criminal problem.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2014, 10:58:28 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 21, 2014, 10:45:48 PM
how many? none. it's fucking marijuana.

and you have it backwards: a drug addict can be rehabilitated. first though we have to stop treating the problem as if it were a criminal problem.
True that.  Yeah, victimless crimes up in this bitch.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on May 22, 2014, 01:48:36 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2014, 10:58:28 PM
True that.  Yeah, victimless crimes up in this bitch.

Oh by the way I wasn't the person who made that clam that Drug addicts should be locked up it was someone else not me I honestly think that kid should not spend one second in jail
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 22, 2014, 02:56:11 AM
Quote from: Dukect45 on May 22, 2014, 01:48:36 AM
Oh by the way I wasn't the person who made that clam that Drug addicts should be locked up it was someone else not me I honestly think that kid should not spend one second in jail
I know.  I don't recall saying it was you who said that in my above post.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 22, 2014, 05:45:05 AM
Quote from: Dukect45 on May 22, 2014, 01:48:36 AM
Oh by the way I wasn't the person who made that clam that Drug addicts should be locked up it was someone else not me I honestly think that kid should not spend one second in jail

you're cool: I wasn't referring to you, but the one who made that post.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 22, 2014, 07:57:56 PM
https://inkbunny.net/journalview.php?id=134461
I stopped reading after he called the internet (or whatever) 'owned by the people' (whatever that means).  He also disabled comments too.  Shame, I was going to link him this (epic win) video regarding Net Neutrality:
[yt]8j95dVw6Kbc[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 23, 2014, 09:13:13 AM
All through the comments here:

[yt]KCWJjglg0_o[/yt]

Mostly cincofone and Bigwheels161616. But once again, I fail to be surprised at the fact that people who would fall for the nonsense of Keynesianism would also fall for the nonsense of anti-vaccination and Holocaust denial.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 23, 2014, 10:01:24 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 23, 2014, 09:13:13 AM
All through the comments here:

[yt]KCWJjglg0_o[/yt]

Mostly cincofone and Bigwheels161616. But once again, I fail to be surprised at the fact that people who would fall for the nonsense of Keynesianism would also fall for the nonsense of anti-vaccination and Holocaust denial.

Shane, now you've gone and put the whole URL in instead of just the video code.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 23, 2014, 10:03:17 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on May 23, 2014, 10:01:24 AM
Shane, now you've gone and put the whole URL in instead of just the video code.

It was bound to happen sooner or later...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FeatheredTerror on May 24, 2014, 12:49:17 AM
"As a child, my parents spanked me. As a result, I now suffer from a psychological disorder known as 'respect for others.'"- Guy on Facebook

Excuse me, but how does spanking teach children to respect other people? I always got the impression that it only teaches them fear.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 24, 2014, 12:49:40 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 22, 2014, 07:57:56 PM
https://inkbunny.net/journalview.php?id=134461
I stopped reading after he called the internet (or whatever) 'owned by the people' (whatever that means).  He also disabled comments too.  Shame, I was going to link him this (epic win) video regarding Net Neutrality:
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Speaking of which.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 24, 2014, 12:44:09 PM
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Original Post:  http://party9999999.deviantart.com/art/Voter-Apathy-455877634
So much for communists being different from the Republicrats...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 24, 2014, 12:50:57 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 24, 2014, 12:49:40 AM
Speaking of which.
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Natch.  Speaking of Wolfblade, he made the same Journal on his Furaffinity.net page, but without the disabled comments.  I facepalmed when one of them said to a poster, "Actually, he can dictate what you say simply by blocking you. It's not wise to be presumptive."  Oh grow up, YamatoIouko.  The guy you're responding to can do that too, so big whoop.  And yeah, it would just make Wolfblade a douche.  A furry liberal who's also a pillock who doesn't mind pulling dubious shit when it's convenient for them while blasting the "Not We" for doing it? Color me surprised...I'd link this guy to Shane's video on Net Neutrality, but, as I said in one of my first FA journals, I will not do politics or religion on FA.  Period.  I'm just there for the porn.  As my DA journals and comments should make obvious, on DA however, politics/religion/etc are fair game for me there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 24, 2014, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2014, 08:04:39 PM
"Do you see a pattern here?"
Is it, 'resistance is futile, join the borg or die?"

Another one is "I can make up shit", since I wouldn't exactly call Henry Ford, the guy who invented the 8 hour workday, a Liberal.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 24, 2014, 01:18:05 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 24, 2014, 12:44:09 PM
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Original Post:  http://party9999999.deviantart.com/art/Voter-Apathy-455877634
So much for communists being different from the Republicrats...

Really? And here I thought they were elected by people who vote for the bad politicians. Once again, we see statists eschewing personal responsibility.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on May 24, 2014, 01:20:02 PM
I really liked this guy's video on moon hoaxers but man is this piss poor reasoning on nuclear energy

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 24, 2014, 02:53:37 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on May 24, 2014, 01:20:02 PM
I really liked this guy's video on moon hoaxers but man is this piss poor reasoning on nuclear energy

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It appears this is the kind of person behind us not having built those long-term storage facilities for nuclear waste that we've had the proof (mostly from Oklo) will be safe for the required timeframe (provided nobody makes a serious effort to break into them, but we're fairly sure we can leave warnings that anyone able to do so would be able to decipher before they actually did). From Oklo, we know precisely what components are a problem for migration and what are not, and we know all we need to do is prevent water migrating through the waste. We've got multiple layers of protection for that, starting with putting the waste inside huge blocks of ancient granite (which is quite impervious to water) that nothing is going to happen to quickly.

He also betrays a profound ignorance of nuclear reactors. No, breeder reactors are NOT self-sustaining. They need to have their fuel replaced just like any reactor, and even those that use the same type of fuel they produce still need a feedstock of material to convert into fuel, which then has to be processed to separate it from the unconverted material and other wastes. The feedstock is (for fast breeders) taken from the reprocessed fuel of conventional reactors, which contains lots of U238. (The U238 is the primary neutron shielding of a fast breeder reactor, as it needs to absorb neutrons to start the process that will convert it into plutonium.) The bred material then needs to be reprocessed again to separate out the plutonium from the unconverted U238 and waste.

To do this optimally, you need to put all the plants together, so you're not shipping this stuff all over the world. (Wouldn't everyone feel better if you only had to shift that spent fuel a few hundred feet to be reprocessed, not a few hundred miles into another country? It's much cheaper to not have to ship it all over the place as well.) People like this idiot object to that as well.

And the stupidest idea of all: That a government could possibly regulate this in such a way as to make it safe. I don't know of any privately owned reactors that have had incidents as bad as government owned ones. (Three Mile Island caused no detectable harm to anyone, and Fukushima Daiichi is predicted to produce increases in cancer rates that are smaller than the effects of choices like age of first pregnancy. Compare that to Chernobyl or Idaho Falls, where the whole operating crew died, in both cases because a government employee decided to do something monumentally stupid with the reactor.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 24, 2014, 09:46:26 PM
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From the comments of the above video,

"Anybody that says a corporation is a creation of the state has never read Man, Economy & State by Murray Rothbard. There's absolutely nothing from stopping a Limited Liability Corporation from existing and abusing people in an anarchistic society.

It should be clear...that corporations are not at all monopolistic privileges; they are free associations of individuals pooling their capital. On the purely free market, such men would simply announce to their creditors that their liability is limited to the capital specifically invested in the corporation, and that beyond this their personal funds are not liable for debts, as they would be under a partnership arrangement. It then rests with the sellers and lenders to this corporation to decide whether or not they will transact business with it. If they do, then they proceed at their own risk. Thus, the government does not grant corporations a privilege of limited liability; anything announced and freely contracted for in advance is a right of a free individual, not a special privilege. It is not necessary that governments grant charters to corporations
Murray Rothbard, in Man, Economy & State

As long as firms like Blackwater, Halliburton, Enron, and Koch can find willing customers they are free to do whatever they like in an an-cap society."--Justin Templer.

Sorry, but as they exist, corporations are, by legal definition, a creation of government.  Deal with it.  Would it kill him to take 5 seconds to check a fucking legal dictionary? My god, man.  And yeah, appeal to authority.  Rothbard was smart and amazing, but if he says corporations are not a creation and legal fiction of the state, he's wrong.  True, it would certainly be possible to have joint ownership in the fom of that (without state favor) in a free market, but that doesn't change the nature of corporations.  And yeah, because of that, it sounds like Rothbard is confusing a corporation with a Trust, much like how he conflated copyright and patents.  And no, you can't use them as examples, as they benefit from state privilege.  So calling them private is like calling public utilities private because you still have to pay the bills for them.  Gimme a fucking break.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 25, 2014, 12:43:55 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 24, 2014, 09:46:26 PM
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From the comments of the above video,

"Anybody that says a corporation is a creation of the state has never read Man, Economy & State by Murray Rothbard. There's absolutely nothing from stopping a Limited Liability Corporation from existing and abusing people in an anarchistic society.

It should be clear...that corporations are not at all monopolistic privileges; they are free associations of individuals pooling their capital. On the purely free market, such men would simply announce to their creditors that their liability is limited to the capital specifically invested in the corporation, and that beyond this their personal funds are not liable for debts, as they would be under a partnership arrangement. It then rests with the sellers and lenders to this corporation to decide whether or not they will transact business with it. If they do, then they proceed at their own risk. Thus, the government does not grant corporations a privilege of limited liability; anything announced and freely contracted for in advance is a right of a free individual, not a special privilege. It is not necessary that governments grant charters to corporations
Murray Rothbard, in Man, Economy & State

As long as firms like Blackwater, Halliburton, Enron, and Koch can find willing customers they are free to do whatever they like in an an-cap society."--Justin Templer.

Sorry, but as they exist, corporations are, by legal definition, a creation of government.  Deal with it.  Would it kill him to take 5 seconds to check a fucking legal dictionary? My god, man.  And yeah, appeal to authority.  Rothbard was smart and amazing, but if he says corporations are not a creation and legal fiction of the state, he's wrong.  True, it would certainly be possible to have joint ownership in the fom of that (without state favor) in a free market, but that doesn't change the nature of corporations.  And yeah, because of that, it sounds like Rothbard is confusing a corporation with a Trust, much like how he conflated copyright and patents.  And no, you can't use them as examples, as they benefit from state privilege.  So calling them private is like calling public utilities private because you still have to pay the bills for them.  Gimme a fucking break.

From the same video

TJ AKA the Amazing Atheist

QuoteAnarchism is more analogous to religion than governance. Governments, while flawed, have been shown to work. My tax dollars demonstrably do pay for roads, bridges, social safety nets, defense (although I do often take issue with how the military I help fund is used), etc.

Anarchism has never been demonstrated to work outside of very small communal societies that usually implode. Even the internet, the tool your using to spout this garbage, was invented by the government, using tax money. So, you're a fucking moron, basically. And Anarchism is your dogmatic, irrational religion. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on May 25, 2014, 01:06:56 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 24, 2014, 12:44:09 PM
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Original Post:  http://party9999999.deviantart.com/art/Voter-Apathy-455877634
So much for communists being different from the Republicrats...

From the same user. The third part almost landed this one into fav quotes... and then he ruins it in the description.

The Obama Equations by party 9999999 (http://party9999999.deviantart.com/art/The-Obama-Equations-432496786)
"If you want the Libertarian equation, it's basically the same as the conservative one."
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 25, 2014, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on May 25, 2014, 01:06:56 PM
From the same user. The third part almost landed this one into fav quotes... and then he ruins it in the description.

The Obama Equations by party 9999999 (http://party9999999.deviantart.com/art/The-Obama-Equations-432496786)
"If you want the Libertarian equation, it's basically the same as the conservative one."
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2014/038/c/4/the_obama_equations_by_party9999999-d75hwnm.png)
I know right? Hell, Shane was saying the third one at least since 2007 and I doubt he's unique in that sense! Where the hell have these commie imbeciles been?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on May 26, 2014, 09:39:32 AM
Translation: "Not using the product you're paying us to provide allows us to keep overselling our capacity, keep profit margins high, without investing in infrastructure."

Fuck you AT&T

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 26, 2014, 09:59:36 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on May 26, 2014, 09:39:32 AM
Translation: "Not using the product you're paying us to provide allows us to keep overselling our capacity, keep profit margins high, without investing in infrastructure."

Fuck you AT&T

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Better than charging you for going over like they used to.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 27, 2014, 06:29:55 AM
Wow @ Timothy Dannenhoffer:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on May 27, 2014, 07:58:22 AM
I should point out I have an unlimited data plan.

I got into an argument on facebook over Glen Greenwald releasing the names of people the NSA has spied on. This person decided that it was hardcore zealots of Ayn Rand who created the NSA inf  the first place. When I asked for further clarification this is what I got...

QuoteAyn Rand inspires individuals to relinquish all their support of social welfare systems. The business end of the political power landscape is the strongest arm-there is nothing that can be done to depose them. Randian ideas will, however, allow people who incorporate her philosophies into their own to be able to justify seizing what power they feel they can wield - which would be to destroy the social institutions that don't benefit the strong arm of business while simultaneously cutting taxes.

It's a kill all birds with one stone mega win for those in power, because let's be honest, business and politics are married, and they don't believe in divorce. The libertarian factor is zero threat to this arrangement from any conceivable perspective, because no group would be able to marshal enough influence to change the game.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 27, 2014, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on May 25, 2014, 12:43:55 AM
From the same video

TJ AKA the Amazing Atheist
Indeed.  I laugh my ass off at Justin Templar and others like him who will argue with a straight face and without relenting that corporations would not also exist in a free market, but ones like Blackwater, BP, etc would be able to function exactly like they are now if they can find willing customers...riiight.  And if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its ass a'hopin!

I don't care what Rothbard says on the matter, assuming his quote from him wasn't a quote mine to begin with, it's still appeal to authority which is *not* an argument.  Yes, companies in a free market *could* agree to limited liability with consumers, but that's *not* what it means when a company/person/city/etc incoporates.  It means they make a deal with govco for privileges like immunity (city police anybody?) and a debt shield without the consent of their customers that, by definition, cannot exist in a free market.  Hell, one need only look up the term in a legal dictionary online--something that only takes about 10 seconds--to find refutation for Justin's strange claim.

And here's the thing, even *if* they were free market entities, which they aren't, well...who lets them get away with it? Not the free market, but the government which has claimed a monopoly on police and courts, so I fail to see how those things are a fault of capitalism.

And really? Blackwater?  Um, he does realize their primary customer is the government right? You don't get to use them as an example (or so called 'private' prisons) because they get their money and victims from the state.  Sheesh.  Figures he'd be a Randroid...they, like statheists, think they have a monopoly on reason and logic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 27, 2014, 03:54:33 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 24, 2014, 09:46:26 PM
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From the comments of the above video,

"Anybody that says a corporation is a creation of the state has never read Man, Economy & State by Murray Rothbard. There's absolutely nothing from stopping a Limited Liability Corporation from existing and abusing people in an anarchistic society.

It should be clear...that corporations are not at all monopolistic privileges; they are free associations of individuals pooling their capital. On the purely free market, such men would simply announce to their creditors that their liability is limited to the capital specifically invested in the corporation, and that beyond this their personal funds are not liable for debts, as they would be under a partnership arrangement. It then rests with the sellers and lenders to this corporation to decide whether or not they will transact business with it. If they do, then they proceed at their own risk. Thus, the government does not grant corporations a privilege of limited liability; anything announced and freely contracted for in advance is a right of a free individual, not a special privilege. It is not necessary that governments grant charters to corporations
Murray Rothbard, in Man, Economy & State

As long as firms like Blackwater, Halliburton, Enron, and Koch can find willing customers they are free to do whatever they like in an an-cap society."--Justin Templer.

Sorry, but as they exist, corporations are, by legal definition, a creation of government.  Deal with it.  Would it kill him to take 5 seconds to check a fucking legal dictionary? My god, man.  And yeah, appeal to authority.  Rothbard was smart and amazing, but if he says corporations are not a creation and legal fiction of the state, he's wrong.  True, it would certainly be possible to have joint ownership in the fom of that (without state favor) in a free market, but that doesn't change the nature of corporations.  And yeah, because of that, it sounds like Rothbard is confusing a corporation with a Trust, much like how he conflated copyright and patents.  And no, you can't use them as examples, as they benefit from state privilege.  So calling them private is like calling public utilities private because you still have to pay the bills for them.  Gimme a fucking break.
Dangerouslytalented just used the french and Russian revolution as evidence that a nearing stateless society would just get taken over.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 27, 2014, 05:59:25 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 27, 2014, 03:54:33 PM
Dangerouslytalented just used the french and Russian revolution as evidence that a nearing stateless society would just get taken over.
"It seems your stateless society is built on the fantasy that a state will collapse and that no one will try to form a new government."--Justin Templar in response to your latest...
Good lord, folks, STOP SHIFTING THE FUCKING BURDEN!  It is on them to prove a state is needed.  End of.  They might as well be telling the Wright brothers since a heavier than air aircraft has never been invented, it can't be done.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 27, 2014, 06:30:37 PM
From the comments of the following:  http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Elliot-Rodger-Is-Leftism-Personified-456574949

Chronorin:  "He wasn't getting any sex, obsessed over the sex lives of others, viewed women as naturally subordinate to men, and yearned to destroy what he could never have.
That... actually sounds more like a conservative's take on sex, really.  It reminds me of every aging preacher who spends 12 hours a day demanding that the young, the gay, and the unmarried stop having all that wonderful hot forbidden sex that they aren't having."

BlameThe1st:  "Um, yeah, sorry, no. Going to have to disagree with you there. This guy was OBSESSED with sex and wanted it so badly that when he was denied it, he decided to go on a shooting spree. Sorry, but when it comes to sex, it's the left that claims that no one should have their sexual urges suppresed. They're the ones encouraging sex at a young age with comprehensive sex ed classes in high school. When you pass out condoms in high school like its candy, you're pretty much forcing sex onto children, and teaching them that they should want it at all cost. We inudate children with sex at a young age through the media and school system. How is this not the logical conclusion to this?"

As Hawkeye told me in AIM: No, it's guaranteeing free goodies from the father that does that BTF.

And seriously? "Giving kids condoms is forcing sex on kids!"
1) They aren't kids, they're sexually mature teens.  2) If he seriously thinks they aren't already having sex, he's delusional.  3) It's called trying to minimize the damage.  We know they're having sex at that age and much earlier.  If they're gonna take the plunge, they might as well know how to do it safely and in a way that won't end up with pregnancies and STDs.
Get over that puritan crap already.

As for the other dude, um, the guy killed 6 men...that is much more in line with feminism and and yes, his sense of entitlement WAS a liberal thing as Cantwell already explained.  Deal with it.
As another poster put it:  http://crimsonfalke.deviantart.com/journal/Feminists-grasping-at-straws-by-JB-456309525
And as I said in the comments:
Wait.  What? Um, the folks saying that stuff do know that the MRA and seduction communities are not affiliated, right?
Really now? So he was AGAINST the seduction community? Well, so much for the feminist claims of him being an MRA or seduction community person...but then since when did facts ever get in their way?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 27, 2014, 08:48:27 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 27, 2014, 06:30:37 PM
And seriously? "Giving kids condoms is forcing sex on kids!"
1) They aren't kids, they're sexually mature teens.  2) If he seriously thinks they aren't already having sex, he's delusion.  3) It's called trying to minimize the damage.  We know they're having sex at that age and much earlier.  If they're gonna take the pludge, they might as well know how to do it safely and in a way that won't end up with pregnacies and STDs.
Get over that puritan crap already.

Not to mention the fact that, since we've had proper sex education, and in the states that have it and not bullshit like "abstinence only," teenage sex, teenage pregnancy, teenage STDs, and teenage abortions are all DOWN.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 27, 2014, 11:26:56 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 27, 2014, 05:59:25 PM
"It seems your stateless society is built on the fantasy that a state will collapse and that no one will try to form a new government."--Justin Templar in response to your latest...
Good lord, folks, STOP SHIFTING THE FUCKING BURDEN!  It is on them to prove a state is needed.  End of.  They might as well be telling the Wright brothers since a heavier than air aircraft has never been invented, it can't be done.
Ya, I read that and just said, "I'm Done!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 27, 2014, 11:44:29 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 27, 2014, 08:48:27 PM
Not to mention the fact that, since we've had proper sex education, and in the states that have it and not bullshit like "abstinence only," teenage sex, teenage pregnancy, teenage STDs, and teenage abortions are all DOWN.

Frankly,what is comes down to is this:

-abstinence (as opposed to the "abstinence-only" policy) does work: no sex=no children.
-however, most people don't wish to abstain, and society in general (at least in the West) has little to no tradition (or desire) of gender-segregation in schools (where most dalliances are made possible for later).
-the best that can be done then, is to educate the children on how to minimize the inevitable consequences of sexual intercourse.

this explains why abstinence only is not a solution. Just the opposite: if people want to have sex, but know of no means of preventing the common consequences of unprotected sex, then we get what we see in parts of the deep south.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 28, 2014, 02:04:25 AM
you know ths s exactly why crcomcson ssuch a bg thngnt he US. t was speculated that twouldmake sex less pleasurableandt hus deterr it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 28, 2014, 06:12:47 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 27, 2014, 11:44:29 PM
-abstinence (as opposed to the "abstinence-only" policy) does work: no sex=no children.

And this is taught in sex education classes, despite the lies the abstinence-only people will tell you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on May 28, 2014, 07:42:53 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 27, 2014, 06:30:37 PM

As for the other dude, um, the guy killed 6 men...that is much more in line with feminism and and yes, his sense of entitlement WAS a liberal thing as Cantwell already explained.  Deal with it.
As another poster put it:  http://crimsonfalke.deviantart.com/journal/Feminists-grasping-at-straws-by-JB-456309525
And as I said in the comments:
Wait.  What? Um, the folks saying that stuff do know that the MRA and seduction communities are not affiliated, right?
Really now? So he was AGAINST the seduction community? Well, so much for the feminist claims of him being an MRA or seduction community person...but then since when did facts ever get in their way?

You know, when you're preaching to the choir you come across very convincing but how are you going to convince someone who disagrees with you, like me for example? I mean from what I've gathered that shit he wrote down in his manifesto is shit you can hear on a average night out in a local pub. Sure the main difference is that most of those don't go on shooting sprees but it's not a uncommon or even extreme view on how things should be. Even if it's only by virtue of being almost ubiquitus.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 28, 2014, 08:53:15 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 27, 2014, 08:48:27 PM
Not to mention the fact that, since we've had proper sex education, and in the states that have it and not bullshit like "abstinence only," teenage sex, teenage pregnancy, teenage STDs, and teenage abortions are all DOWN.
Yup.
And of course, the guy BTF was talking to, said this bit in response which wasn't much better:

Chronorin: ""the left that claims that no one should have their sexual urges suppresed.[sic]"

Wait, wasn't that the issue here?  His inability to have sex led to a life of jealousy, narcissism, and hatred for others.  If conservatives were right, then his utter lack of sexual activity would have made him pure, a Jesus-child untainted by the sins of the flesh.  Yet despite never having it, he desired it and thought about nothing else.  Why?  At no point does he mention free condoms or sex ed class warping his mind, he just rants about the kids around him in school.

"When you pass out condoms in high school like its candy, you're pretty much forcing sex onto children, and teaching them that they should want it at all cost"

Boy, that's counter to my experience.  I remember sex ed in 9th grade (in red state Tennessee, no less.)  Having a 60-year old teacher display clinical graphics of genitalia and lecture about sperm & egg.... made sex seem like something icky and to be avoided.  Luckily, there were lots of Sports Illustrated bikini models to show me the attractive side of the whole affair.

Now, if you'll excuse me, i'm off to write an unhinged rant that will be titled "Cliven Bundy and Donald Sterling are Conservatism Personified."  It will explain how an entire wing of political thought can be dispensed with by associating it with random outliers.

From you!

I learned it from watching you!"
Them butthurt liberals in the comments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on May 28, 2014, 11:41:46 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 27, 2014, 11:44:29 PM
Frankly,what is comes down to is this:

-however, most people don't wish to abstain, and society in general (at least in the West) has little to no tradition (or desire) of gender-segregation in schools (where most dalliances are made possible for later).
-the best that can be done then, is to educate the children on how to minimize the inevitable consequences of sexual intercourse.

this explains why abstinence only is not a solution. Just the opposite: if people want to have sex, but know of no means of preventing the common consequences of unprotected sex, then we get what we see in parts of the deep south.

Plus, there's those that CAN'T abstain, despite their best intentions. Also, co-ed classes are actually a relatively recent innovation in...well, at least the U.S. (1930's or so) Even in my life time, most classes were "boys on this side, girls on that side" of the room, up until the time I hit high school. Which when I think about it is kinda funny because at the same time, phys. ed. class had always been co-ed... until high school, when it was a segregated class.

All that being said, the abstinence only people are literally asking teenagers to do an unnatural thing. Not that every teen gets sex or anything, but it's unnatural to not want it when the opportunity presents itself. (Providing, of course, your attracted to the prospective partner.)

Not directed at you:

The idea that they're passing condoms out "like candy" is laughable. Sex Ed is pretty much the way Travis described it. In my school, they had condoms, as well as IUD's at the nurses station, but a) you had to have parental consent and b) most students did not know that. (I didn't find out until about a week before graduation)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 28, 2014, 12:24:03 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on May 28, 2014, 11:41:46 AM
Plus, there's those that CAN'T abstain, despite their best intentions.

few can--certainly over the long view. That's partly why traditionally in the Near East (especially after Islam), it was literally a sin not to have sex (obviously through marriage, or a concubine--either works. the rules have hardly changed in at least 6,000 years): it was seen as unhealthy, for both genders, particularly the men. The desire for at least the Dad being financially independent and capable explains why the men married around the age of 25, and women traditionally from 13-20 (OK, if you want to be technical, any point after puberty was fine, though after Islam marriage age did rise towards the upper end: yes, you read that right). It also explains the gender segregation: sex when the person is unmarried and unprepared, in the days of limited contraceptives and dangerous abortions, could be a death sentence: we're talking about a desert or semi after-all.

basically the Near Eastern attitude for millennia has been roughly "sex is good, but it needs to be regulated tightly by society".

If anything what I see back home nowadays is very...foreign. This whole fear and ignorance of sex is discouraging in the extreme. To see the people who invented the modern Romance genre and wrote a book with over a thousands sexual jargon terms reduced to acting like Christian conservatives (or modern Hindu ones) is....disturbing.

then again, I suppose all religions gradually drift towards being abstinence only.  :shrug:

QuoteAlso, co-ed classes are actually a relatively recent innovation in...well, at least the U.S. (1930's or so) Even in my life time, most classes were "boys on this side, girls on that side" of the room, up until the time I hit high school. Which when I think about it is kinda funny because at the same time, phys. ed. class had always been co-ed... until high school, when it was a segregated class.

Not just co-ed classes, but also just being in the same building. we don't have that normally back home (and when it does, the consequences are predictable). Having said that, I've just learned something new here. worth remembering.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 28, 2014, 05:25:16 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 28, 2014, 12:24:03 PM
Not just co-ed classes, but also just being in the same building. we don't have that normally back home (and when it does, the consequences are predictable). Having said that, I've just learned something new here. worth remembering.

Gender-segregated schools are the traditional norm in Catholic schools (where they can manage it, anyway) here in Ontario. They don't actually manage it in practice, even where they technically have them in some cases (adjacent boys and girls schools that are functionally one school and share students back and forth freely, for example) but they do make a try of it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 28, 2014, 09:46:06 PM
I think I found my next target for Anti-Libertatrians Can't Think (After I tackle Dusty):

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"The main problem that I have with libertarian logic is that they expect the corporations to play the government's role." Wow! Not even ten seconds in and this video went from 0 to epic fail!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 28, 2014, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on May 28, 2014, 05:25:16 PM
Gender-segregated schools are the traditional norm in Catholic schools (where they can manage it, anyway) here in Ontario. They don't actually manage it in practice, even where they technically have them in some cases (adjacent boys and girls schools that are functionally one school and share students back and forth freely, for example) but they do make a try of it.

Can you do one for Sam Seder? I have osmething of a vendett a agaisnt theman.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2014, 08:46:27 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 28, 2014, 09:46:06 PM
I think I found my next target for Anti-Libertatrians Can't Think (After I tackle Dusty):

[yt]hNtGLbtFCjs[/yt]

"The main problem that I have with libertarian logic is that they expect the corporations to play the government's role." Wow! Not even ten seconds in and this video went from 0 to epic fail!
Wait what? So we expect corporations to murder people overseas and beat up innocent protesters? I thought we were the 'idealistic loonies who think corporations will behave' (nevermind the fact that corporations by definition can't exist in a free market).  Good lord.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 29, 2014, 05:49:50 PM
http://theprogressivecynic.com/debunking-right-wing-talking-points/refuting-gun-enthusiasts-anti-gun-control-arguments/

Number 19 and 14 made my blood BOIL! >:(
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 29, 2014, 06:33:03 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 28, 2014, 09:46:06 PM
I think I found my next target for Anti-Libertatrians Can't Think (After I tackle Dusty):

[yt]hNtGLbtFCjs[/yt]

"The main problem that I have with libertarian logic is that they expect the corporations to play the government's role." Wow! Not even ten seconds in and this video went from 0 to epic fail!

8 seconds. It took him 8 seconds to fuck it up.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2014, 09:16:53 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on May 29, 2014, 05:49:50 PM
http://theprogressivecynic.com/debunking-right-wing-talking-points/refuting-gun-enthusiasts-anti-gun-control-arguments/

Number 19 and 14 made my blood BOIL! >:(
People love to bitch about how libertarians like Cantwell, Shane, et al are assholes who aren't civil, but honestly? I find that many statists are typically much worse.  For one, look at the article posted.  It's filled with TONS of lame political cartoons making fun of us.  Cantwell, while a black sheep at times, at least has the decency to leave that self congratulatory crap out.

Secondly, at least libertarians--even Cantwell--give them the common courtesy of saying that, "yeah, in a free society, you'd be free to live as you'd like.  You want to live in a communist commune? Go for it.  Just don't force any unwilling others into it." With them, it's "NO YOU GIVE US MONEY/GUNS/BODIES FOR THE ARMY OR WE KILL YOU BECAUSE ITS OUR RIGHT WAAH!"

Like Cantwell said, if someone starts with a threat, people tend not to be so nice regarding their 'feelings' etc.  So the fact that we haven't just thrown our hands up in exasperation and simply shoot them in the face speaks volumes to OUR civility.

That article is also a super fail for another blatant reason--special pleading.  Having guns makes you a nutter..except for the government and their armies, police, who will take your guns away...with threat of being shot...yeah.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 29, 2014, 11:04:32 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2014, 09:16:53 PM
People love to bitch about how libertarians like Cantwell, Shane, et al are assholes who aren't civil, but honestly? I find that many statists are typically much worse.  For one, look at the article posted.  It's filled with TONS of lame political cartoons making fun of us.  Cantwell, while a black sheep at times, at least has the decency to leave that self congratulatory crap out.

Secondly, at least libertarians--even Cantwell--give them the common courtesy of saying that, "yeah, in a free society, you'd be free to live as you'd like.  You want to live in a communist commune? Go for it.  Just don't force any unwilling others into it." With them, it's "NO YOU GIVE US MONEY/GUNS/BODIES FOR THE ARMY OR WE KILL YOU BECAUSE ITS OUR RIGHT WAAH!"

Like Cantwell said, if someone starts with a threat, people tend not to be so nice regarding their 'feelings' etc.  So the fact that we haven't just thrown our hands up in exasperation and simply shoot them in the face speaks volumes to OUR civility.

That article is also a super fail for another blatant reason--special pleading.  Having guns makes you a nutter..except for the government and their armies, police, who will take your guns away...with threat of being shot...yeah.

I know right. Most of these gun control advocates also give the government a free pass when it comes to murder. These people also seem to think that if they make the police do all their dirty work they are perfectly non violent. I have this analogy for you. Would you say the Romans were not violent people because most of them personally did not kill barbarians themselves but made the Legionnaires do their dirty work for them? FUCK NO! 

BTW I was thinking about making refutations for all points in a different forum post, think I should?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2014, 11:23:40 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on May 29, 2014, 11:04:32 PM
I know right. Most of these gun control advocates also give the government a free pass when it comes to murder. These people also seem to think that if they make the police do all their dirty work they are perfectly non violent. I have this analogy for you. Would you say the Romans were not violent people because most of them personally did not kill barbarians themselves but made the Legionnaires do their dirty work for them? FUCK NO! 

BTW I was thinking about making refutations for all points in a different forum post, think I should?
Well said.

If you want to, yes. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2014, 11:25:00 PM
"The practice of circumcision is a widely debated one, with health benefits in one corner and loss of sensation and surgical risks in the other, and little conclusive research to back up either party. "--http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-5-creepiest-products-ever-designed-genitals_p2/

Yup, that's a golden mean/middle of the road fallacy if ever there was one.

Lord T Hawkeye on it (win): The burden of proof is on the ones who want to do the surgery. If they got nothing, then there's no reason to do it.  Discussion over.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 29, 2014, 11:40:10 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2014, 11:23:40 PM
Well said.

If you want to, yes. :)

Just out of Curiousity, do you think it might be going too far to say the Romans got what they deserved when the barbarians sacked them?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 30, 2014, 06:53:15 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on May 29, 2014, 11:40:10 PM
Just out of Curiousity, do you think it might be going too far to say the Romans got what they deserved when the barbarians sacked them?

Only if you think the people of a country are culpable for the misdeeds of their government.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 30, 2014, 08:11:57 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2014, 06:53:15 AM
Only if you think the people of a country are culpable for the misdeeds of their government.

Then there's the detail that Rome got sacked by people who were, for the most part, not the same ones (or even the descendants of the ones) that the Roman state had previously attacked.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 30, 2014, 08:17:17 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on May 30, 2014, 08:11:57 AM
Then there's the detail that Rome got sacked by people who were, for the most part, not the same ones (or even the descendants of the ones) that the Roman state had previously attacked.

Kind of reminds you of slavery reparations, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2014, 10:20:23 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on May 29, 2014, 11:40:10 PM
Just out of Curiosity, do you think it might be going too far to say the Romans got what they deserved when the barbarians sacked them?
I second what evensgrey and Shane have said.  No sense opening that original sin can of worms.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 30, 2014, 02:35:04 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/1907321_696871143713986_6131264094027801162_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 30, 2014, 02:37:34 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2014, 10:20:23 AM
I second what evensgrey and Shane have said.  No sense opening that original sin can of worms.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2014, 02:40:22 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 30, 2014, 02:35:04 PM
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>>Implying those are two different things and not just the same sodding thing with different packaging.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 30, 2014, 03:50:02 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 30, 2014, 02:35:04 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/1907321_696871143713986_6131264094027801162_n.jpg)

My response are these images from Lew Rockwell (https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/the-free-market-healthcare-chart-vs-the-hellthcare-reform-bill-chart/):

(http://archive.lewrockwell.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/hellthcare1.jpg)

(http://archive.lewrockwell.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Free-Market-Health-Care1.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2014, 06:55:15 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 30, 2014, 03:50:02 PM
My response are these images from Lew Rockwell (https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/the-free-market-healthcare-chart-vs-the-hellthcare-reform-bill-chart/):

(http://archive.lewrockwell.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/hellthcare1.jpg)

(http://archive.lewrockwell.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Free-Market-Health-Care1.jpg)
So much win!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 30, 2014, 08:23:12 PM
So I foolishly tried to inject some proper skepticism in the comments here:

[yt]mLBiHO4MDsA[/yt]

Once again, statism poisons the mind as much as any religion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2014, 08:46:11 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2014, 08:23:12 PM
So I foolishly tried to inject some proper skepticism in the comments here:

[yt]mLBiHO4MDsA[/yt]

Once again, statism poisons the mind as much as any religion.
Yes, because if it's one of our sources saying something that supports our claims--even if it's a source they'd otherwise accept like the CDC, et al--it's biased and invalid, but if it's a source that says something that supports what they think, it's valid.  The actual objective methodology, regression, controls, etc all be damned.  Gods, just like the freakin' creationists.  And people wonder why we call it The Cult of the Omnipotent State.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 30, 2014, 11:17:16 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2014, 08:23:12 PM
So I foolishly tried to inject some proper skepticism in the comments here:

[yt]mLBiHO4MDsA[/yt]

Once again, statism poisons the mind as much as any religion.

You should see some of the comments to me

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 31, 2014, 12:21:29 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 30, 2014, 08:46:11 PM
Yes, because if it's one of our sources saying something that supports our claims--even if it's a source they'd otherwise accept like the CDC, et al--it's biased and invalid, but if it's a source that says something that supports what they think, it's valid.  The actual objective methodology, regression, controls, etc all be damned.  Gods, just like the freakin' creationists.  And people wonder why we call it The Cult of the Omnipotent State.

frnakly that is all irrelevent. this whole argument can be summed up as follows:

"our current sringent-ass regulations on guns aren't working, so the solution must be to do more of the same!"

it's like a vicious circle: someone gets popped who is popular, new regulations are in place. the shit still keeps happening, so more are in place. and it just repeats.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2014, 12:26:54 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 31, 2014, 12:21:29 AM
frnakly that is all irrelevent. this whole argument can be summed up as follows:

"our current sringent-ass regulations on guns aren't working, so the solution must be to do more of the same!"

it's like a vicious circle: someone gets popped who is popular, new regulations are in place. the shit still keeps happening, so more are in place. and it just repeats.
Actually, it's even worse than that because of the self detonating nature of the 'argument':
"Let's get rid of guns so people won't kill others with them!"
"How are you gonna do that?"
"By having armed thugs with guns threaten everyone to give up their guns!"
"..."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 31, 2014, 01:29:00 AM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10154336_694504077276324_7661717651907717544_n.jpg)
Um, when did Obama do this?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on May 31, 2014, 03:58:48 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2014, 08:23:12 PM
So I foolishly tried to inject some proper skepticism in the comments here:

[yt]mLBiHO4MDsA[/yt]

Once again, statism poisons the mind as much as any religion.

This guy is one piece of work it's very long so I put it in spoilers to save space

[spoiler]Rusty Shackleford says

Quote+Shane Killian

And let me guess: you have a blog post from an unqualified libertarian anarchist to support your assertions?  I've moved past treating you like an adult, you should really just stop posting.

+skm1091

*citation needed.  Why is it whenever you gun nuts make very specific statistical claims you're always loathe to cite your sources or can't provide credible sources?

This was my response

Quote+Rusty Shackleford Here are my sources.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/1996/08/03/international-00028/

http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons/lib/research/rp99/rp99-111.pdf

http://www.class.org.au/pdf/IrishCustodyOrder[2].PDF

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/Caribbean-study-en.pdf

And the UNODC homicide stats

Oh and to add to Shanes point of making guns in grass huts

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/asia/south_east_asia/AJ201112270001n

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5066860.stm


He then responses with this piece of work

Quote+skm1091

Your first source is a blog that cites no original source directly.

The second source doesn't focus on crime, it's a total of 2 pages.  They don't comment on the increase in homicide.  No economic, social, or political changes are commented on, no comment on population changes or any kind of qualitative analysis is provided whatsoever.  This source doesn't support your assertion, it's little more than raw data for your assertion.

Your third source is a posting by a Guns Rights Advocacy group, fail to cite any of their sources and demonstrate a clear conflict of interest.  Their website banner says "We Aim for Shooters Rights".  This is not a credible source.

Your last source is over 200 pages and I don't believe for one fucking second you've read any of this.  If you had you'd have seen this in literally the first paragraph on their section on guns and crime:

"As violence has increased in the Caribbean, so too has the use of firearms.
Increasingly, more powerful weapons are being used, resulting in higher mortality levels."

So out of all of your sources you have one actual study... and it explicitly says "guns are why we have more murders".  They even provide graphs demonstrating their spike in murders and injuries are directly related to firearms.

Lastly the fact that people will commit crime isn't a justification for terminating the police force.  Your argument is essentially "ah, a few people will make guns in straw huts, therefore major firearms manufactories should be allowed unrestricted development rights!"  Lolwut?

I responded to another comment and then he says

QuoteI see you blew past my refutation of your "sources" and decided to start pushing the hobby horse of another bullshit argument.  Still no comment on the fact that the only source you posted that was credible and actually had a qualitative analysis on firearms violence actually stated that firearms violence was the primary cause of their increasing homicide rate contrary to the claim you attributed to their article?

That's the danger of citing real sources for you gun nuts.  They don't agree with your conclusions.

I respond with

QuoteThe first source I cited was a murder stat from UK home office you fucking fool!

I did not quote my second source for entire thing dimwit JUST THE PART ABOUT THE HOMICIDE RATE DOUBLING! you asked me about the stats about the UK homicide rate going up so I fucking gave them to you!

Third you committed a guilt by association fallacy.

The fourth source had a stat on page 10 that showed the increase in murder was just about the increase in overall murder rate. I wasn't quoting the entire thing either. Just because the study presribes a policy opposite of what you desire does not fucking mean there aren't nuggets of data that you can use. 

He then responds with

Quote"The first source I cited was a murder stat from UK home office you fucking fool!"

The first source you cited is a blog containing second hand information without a reference to the original data set.  If the data is accurate from the UK home office then use the original source, shithead.  The blog doesn't even bother to contextualize the data, merely says "this will be good data for discussion!".

"JUST THE PART ABOUT THE HOMICIDE RATE DOUBLING!"

Stats without context are meaningless.  Your second source failed to contextualize this information.  It's not their fault, they weren't attempting to.  You're citing them as a source to make a claim their data doesn't evidence.

"Third you committed a guilt by association fallacy."

Sorry, pal, use a better source.  They have a conflict of interest.

"Just because the study presribes a policy opposite of what you desire does not fucking mean there aren't nuggets of data that you can use. "

So in other words you knowingly quote mined the source.  Douchebag, shithead liar is what you are.
[/spoiler]

So let me get this straight just because it's a blog you get to brush off the information?

I brought the second source up to show that Homicide rate doubling despite the gun control laws. If gun control is supposed to work it should not have gone up at all or gone down.

Conflict of interest. Oh yeah gun control advocates don't have any conflict of interest. Fucking Hypocrite!

I told him about the chart on page 10 and he simply brushed it off. Look at the rate before 1975 and then see what happens after. How damn hard is that?!



Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 31, 2014, 08:10:28 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 31, 2014, 01:29:00 AM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10154336_694504077276324_7661717651907717544_n.jpg)
Um, when did Obama do this?

It's a word game. He cut the RATE THE DEBT WAS INCREASING in half.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 31, 2014, 10:26:08 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on May 31, 2014, 03:58:48 AM
This guy is one piece of work it's very long so I put it in spoilers to save space

I'm continually SMH at these guys.

Cloud Seeker made this out to be a big point: "the weapons wasn't confiscated when the police investigated him when he said he was going to kill a lot of people." I thought it was just a throwaway line, but he came back at me with: "Also why are you ignoring the fact the police didn't confiscated his weapons when they investigated him?"

Using the police to stop people from getting guns is THEIR solution, NOT ours! So how does his point argue against our position? The police--which THEY say we need to depend on to solve this problem--failed to do so. That means that THEIR solution doesn't work!

Geez...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2014, 12:24:06 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 31, 2014, 10:26:08 AM
I'm continually SMH at these guys.

Cloud Seeker made this out to be a big point: "the weapons wasn't confiscated when the police investigated him when he said he was going to kill a lot of people." I thought it was just a throwaway line, but he came back at me with: "Also why are you ignoring the fact the police didn't confiscated his weapons when they investigated him?"

Using the police to stop people from getting guns is THEIR solution, NOT ours! So how does his point argue against our position? The police--which THEY say we need to depend on to solve this problem--failed to do so. That means that THEIR solution doesn't work!

Geez...
I was SMH when I saw him note about background checks, "Well even people with severe mental issues still get guns!" Um...we're against background checks and govco restricting firearms in the first place, while he's for the background checks, etc.  So this is just him admitting his own 'solutions' are failures and ineptly trying to pin them on us.  Good lord man.

"The laws are reactionary.   The area has high rates of violent crime, therefore laws were enacted." --right, because of prior gun control laws.  It's like Harry Browne said, Government doesn't work.  Government gets involved in something, fucks it up, blames the free market and then uses that as (bogus) justification for even MORE control resulting in even MORE fuck ups, lather rinse repeat.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 31, 2014, 12:34:02 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2014, 12:24:06 PM
I was SMH when I saw him note about background checks, "Well even people with severe mental issues still get guns!" Um...we're against background checks and govco restricting firearms in the first place, while he's for the background checks, etc.  So this is just him admitting his own 'solutions' are failures and ineptly trying to pin them on us.  Good lord man.

And as I keep pointing out (and they keep ignoring), the Brady Campaign gave California a perfect score on lots of categories, including restrictions on the mentally ill.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 31, 2014, 01:29:36 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2014, 12:24:06 PM
I was SMH when I saw him note about background checks, "Well even people with severe mental issues still get guns!" Um...we're against background checks and govco restricting firearms in the first place, while he's for the background checks, etc.  So this is just him admitting his own 'solutions' are failures and ineptly trying to pin them on us.  Good lord man.

"The laws are reactionary.   The area has high rates of violent crime, therefore laws were enacted." --right, because of prior gun control laws.  It's like Harry Browne said, Government doesn't work.  Government gets involved in something, fucks it up, blames the free market and then uses that as (bogus) justification for even MORE control resulting in even MORE fuck ups, lather rinse repeat.

And now Rusty Shackleton: "I swear every time you cite a source I have to facepalm.  It's like you have absolutely no idea how to cite or vet a source.  You post an article published by an academic journal hidden behind a paywall and then claim "THIS IS THE OFFICIAL STANCE OF THE JOURNAL!".  No... moron.  It's the stance of the two authors of the unreadable paper that you only read the abstract of that made it past the editorial board.

"Jesus, you gun nuts are fucking IDIOTS."

When a) being behind a paywall has NOTHING to do with the validity of the study, b) citing a source IN a journal is NOT the same as saying it's their "official stance" (which I clearly never said), and c) two of the three studies WEREN'T BEHIND PAYWALLS! You could download them just by clicking the link!

Geez...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2014, 02:53:24 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 31, 2014, 01:29:36 PM
And now Rusty Shackleton: "I swear every time you cite a source I have to facepalm.  It's like you have absolutely no idea how to cite or vet a source.  You post an article published by an academic journal hidden behind a paywall and then claim "THIS IS THE OFFICIAL STANCE OF THE JOURNAL!".  No... moron.  It's the stance of the two authors of the unreadable paper that you only read the abstract of that made it past the editorial board.

"Jesus, you gun nuts are fucking IDIOTS."

When a) being behind a paywall has NOTHING to do with the validity of the study, b) citing a source IN a journal is NOT the same as saying it's their "official stance" (which I clearly never said), and c) two of the three studies WEREN'T BEHIND PAYWALLS! You could download them just by clicking the link!

Geez...
I also love the, "I'm not on *their* side, I'm just debunking gunnut bullshit." Riiight.  "Now I'm not a creationist, but..." Yeah, heard it all before.
Btw, in your latest comment, I thought Rusty was the one who made the metaphor of cancer research/treatment not you?  What's more, I guess in his world, the CDC, the Brady Report (?), the university studies, to name but a few are 'incredible sources'.  Good lord.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2014, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 31, 2014, 01:29:36 PM
And now Rusty Shackleton: "I swear every time you cite a source I have to facepalm.  It's like you have absolutely no idea how to cite or vet a source.  You post an article published by an academic journal hidden behind a paywall and then claim "THIS IS THE OFFICIAL STANCE OF THE JOURNAL!".  No... moron.  It's the stance of the two authors of the unreadable paper that you only read the abstract of that made it past the editorial board.

"Jesus, you gun nuts are fucking IDIOTS."

When a) being behind a paywall has NOTHING to do with the validity of the study, b) citing a source IN a journal is NOT the same as saying it's their "official stance" (which I clearly never said), and c) two of the three studies WEREN'T BEHIND PAYWALLS! You could download them just by clicking the link!

Geez...
"Your claim has been "gun control doesn't work".  You didn't start from the position: "does gun control work?" and then attempt to find sources to answer this question."
Because fuck the null hypothesis, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 31, 2014, 04:56:36 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2014, 04:07:52 PM
"Your claim has been "gun control doesn't work".  You didn't start from the position: "does gun control work?" and then attempt to find sources to answer this question."
Because fuck the null hypothesis, right?

Yeah, and like I was born 5 seconds before the thread started and hadn't had years beforehand to research and come to the conclusion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2014, 05:02:47 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 31, 2014, 04:56:36 PM
Yeah, and like I was born 5 seconds before the thread started and hadn't had years beforehand to research and come to the conclusion.
I know right?! It's like the religious zealots who think atheists have never heard of the Bible/God/etc... even though we were raised in a very pro-Christian Culture (>75% of the nation being Christian and much more than that when we were all younger) and have all heard these bogus arguments of theirs before, found refutations to them and then became atheists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 31, 2014, 08:58:55 PM
Stef did an analysis of the movie Frozen. (https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=B50F412BDADFE75A!10041&ithint=file%2c.pdf&app=WordPdf&authkey=!ACD4spmt9YIkVyU)

Apparently, a children's movie can't just be a children's movie.

He also goes on this tangent about how magic always represents madness and violence, going as far as to say, and I quote:
Quote from: Stefan MolyneuxMagic in stories is always and forever a metaphor for madness; it stands for psychosis and delusion and the violence that inevitably results when madness is challenged by prosaic reality. "Harry Potter" for instance is the story of a violent and psychotic young boy who ends up in a mental institution - called "Hogwarts" - and surrenders to his delusions of grandeur. Ditto "Star Wars."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2014, 09:05:23 PM
Quote from: D on May 31, 2014, 08:58:55 PM
Stef did an analysis of the movie Frozen. (https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=B50F412BDADFE75A!10041&ithint=file%2c.pdf&app=WordPdf&authkey=!ACD4spmt9YIkVyU)

Apparently, a children's movie can't just be a children's movie.

He also goes on this tangent about how magic always represents madness and violence, going as far as to say, and I quote:
And as I told D in AIM--fun fact:
In Black Boy by Richard Wright, his grandmom wouldn't let him read comics or anything fiction because, "it violates the 9th commandment for lying because it's fiction and therefore a lie!"
Yes, Stef just used the same argument as a crazy old Christian fundamentalist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 31, 2014, 09:20:47 PM
Quote from: D on May 31, 2014, 08:58:55 PM
Stef did an analysis of the movie Frozen. (https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=B50F412BDADFE75A!10041&ithint=file%2c.pdf&app=WordPdf&authkey=!ACD4spmt9YIkVyU)

Apparently, a children's movie can't just be a children's movie.

He also goes on this tangent about how magic always represents madness and violence, going as far as to say, and I quote:

So, a story about a young woman's fear about her uncontrollable powers and how that fear is making it worse is a metaphor for mental illness?
What?!?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 31, 2014, 11:51:23 PM
Every comment by DarkRiderDLMC on this DA journal without exception:  http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/Abortion-since-I-haven-t-covered-it-382518716

Because the guy on that journal of his has got to be the most self righteous prick I've ever seen Hawkeye deal with (on the right at least).

I'd take anti-abortionists claims of "wanting them to be born to give them a chance at a better life!" a bit more seriously if these weren't also the same people who say, "What business is it of yours that I get my son circumsized or beat them? It's MY child!" and who also support them being drafted into wars and selling them into slavery via government debt.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 01, 2014, 03:36:44 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 31, 2014, 09:20:47 PM
So, a story about a young woman's fear about her uncontrollable powers and how that fear is making it worse is a metaphor for mental illness?
What?!?

Stefan doesn't seem to get it, does he?  Things are not always metaphorical, and, to quote the writer's saying, "Moby Dick doesn't work as anything unless he works as a whale."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 01, 2014, 09:21:37 AM
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From the video al jones says

Quote+Shane Killian Hand gun control in the UK was introduced to stop the 'once a decade' mass killings. It stopped people from legally owning hand guns. There was a good reason for this. Mass killings were usually carried out by 'good citizens' who legally owned hand guns. The mass murder of children is not regarded by most people as a worthwhile 'price worth paying' to preserve the 'rights' of gun fetishists. Regarding 'rising and falling crime rates  You should look at academic papers rather than the lies put out by gun nuts. It seems very unlikely that countries with very low rates of gun crime will see general crime rates rise or fall because of changes to gun control legislation. Violent crime is on a long term downward trend. The suggestion that this downward trend could be speeded up by allowing more people to own assault rifles is total madness. From this years Guardian "The crime rate in England and Wales has fallen by an unexpected 15% to an estimated 7.5m offences, its lowest level since the official survey began 33 years ago.

My Response.

Quote+al jones   "From this years Guardian "The crime rate in England and Wales has fallen by an unexpected 15% to an estimated 7.5m offences, its lowest level since the official survey began 33 years ago."

You just shot yourself in the foot with this argument. 33 years ago, handguns, "hi cap" (more than 3 Shells) shotguns, and semi automatic rifles i.e. "assault weapons" were still LEGAL.

"The murder rate in England and Wales also showed a slight fall in 2013, down to 551, and is now nearly 50% below the 2001-02 peak of 1,047"

So basically all you are saying is that the current rate is back down to the level when there was even LESS gun control in the UK. And there were even lower rates prior to the 1981 see the homicide table on page 32 from source bellow

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/116483/hosb0212.pdf

There is also the inconvenient fact that the US rate was going down also

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl01.xls

Come back with a better argument please
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 01, 2014, 09:27:32 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on June 01, 2014, 09:21:37 AM
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From the video al jones says

My Response.


Stupidest excuse ever: "Gun control didn't work in California because people can bring in guns from other states!" But that STILL doesn't expect why the curves in my graphs are DOWNWARD-SLOPING! It should at least be a LITTLE more trouble to do, which should STILL make the curve UPWARD-sloping!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 01, 2014, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 01, 2014, 09:27:32 AM
Stupidest excuse ever: "Gun control didn't work in California because people can bring in guns from other states!" But that STILL doesn't expect why the curves in my graphs are DOWNWARD-SLOPING! It should at least be a LITTLE more trouble to do, which should STILL make the curve UPWARD-sloping!

And what about the pesky little fact that the areas with less gun control are the places with the lower rates. Compare El Paso to Chicago and you will see what I mean
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 01, 2014, 10:47:34 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 01, 2014, 09:27:32 AM
Stupidest excuse ever: "Gun control didn't work in California because people can bring in guns from other states!" But that STILL doesn't expect why the curves in my graphs are DOWNWARD-SLOPING! It should at least be a LITTLE more trouble to do, which should STILL make the curve UPWARD-sloping!
And of course there's the whole point of people making their own assault rifles, etc--even in huts in 3rd world countries that you've brought up and has been ignored.
Also, what is WITH statists and anecdotes? I mean, good grief, as atheists they should know better as they'd NEVER accept that horseshit from a theist.  Man, it seems understanding of statistics is at a freakin' premium.  It sounds like statistics and economics are two things that the human brain just isn't built to handle...although public education most certainly is NOT helping.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 01, 2014, 03:31:44 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on June 01, 2014, 09:21:37 AM
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From the video al jones says

My Response.
"Still I'm trained to put a bullet through your head or break your neck when I see you invading my home."--M0rdH0rst in the comments.
What an asshole! WE are the ones using guns for self defense, you projecting asshole.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 01, 2014, 05:22:01 PM
Quotedude i'm 35 i'm not a kid.. and there's a reason why the 1% who have 80% of the money pay 3% of the taxes. rich people pay less taxes than the middle class does per a person. this is because along with the insane amounts of bank they have they have armies of lawyers finding every little tax law they can manipulate to get the most back. such as donating the charity and getting all of that money back at the end of the year
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 01, 2014, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: tnu on June 01, 2014, 05:22:01 PM
[quote from someone who never did his research.]
I guess the guy never saw Shane's graph showing that the richest 20% of Americans pay the most in taxes by FAR.

"People have been literally dumping shit in lakes and rivers for tens of thousands of years. The fact that you know that one person has repeatedly dumped shit, and the fact that you fish there, knowing he dumps shit there, means you knowingly poisoned yourself.

Every time it rains, water runoff from land also transports shit in to the lake.  The fish you have been fishing for 20 years also shit in the lake.  Are you going to notify the your DRO about the fish next? Are you going to threaten to bomb the fish if they don't stop shitting in the lake?

Unless someone has granted you fishing rights and made some kind of guarantee as to the quality of the water, the health consequences associated with your your actions are your own.

I don't care how long you've lived by or fished in the lake, unless you have property rights to that lake, you and your DRO have no valid claim against what a person can or can't do with that lake. Doing so would require the threat of physical force over a geographic area, thus violating the NAP and making your actions no different than a government."----Justin Templer
1) And how long has capitalism been a thing?
2) Hasn't he ever heard of Fish Legal? Good lord.  Also, considering govco is in charge of all that stuff I fail to see how that's against our points as anarchists...
3) Argument from incredulity and shifting the burden.
4) Um, private property? Heard of it, OP? I thought Randians were for that stuff...I guess not. Figures. They're just as socialist as the rest of the statists.
5) Where to even begin.  For starters, there's this thing called private property we know to be a fact....homesteading...heard of it?  Also, he's not seriously arguing that only govco can grant property rights? Right? (again, hasn't he ever heard of homesteading)?  That alone kills his argument, and no, it wouldn't be the same as a government for those reasons because as the person who homesteaded the lake, the ones polluting it would be initating force, and that would NOT violate the NAP. Man.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 01, 2014, 07:40:47 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 01, 2014, 07:19:26 PM
I guess the guy never saw Shane's graph showing that the richest 20% of Americans pay the most in taxes by FAR.

The top 400 taxpayers in the US pay about 1.5% of the total income tax, which is about 14000 times the average income tax paid.

Some try to make much of the portion of tax paid by those 400 top taxed people dropping by 12% over a period of time in which the population fraction they represent dropped by 19%, showing that these people individually must be paying more than before.  The actually comparable number at the end would be the top 473 tax payers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 01, 2014, 11:01:38 PM
(http://amptoons.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/how_libertarians_vote.png)

Does this dimwitted cartoonist not realize that most libertarians despise the Republican Party, and have even left it, for the exact reasons epitomized by the Rep. politican?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 01, 2014, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 01, 2014, 11:01:38 PM
(http://amptoons.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/how_libertarians_vote.png)

Does this dimwitted cartoonist not realize that most libertarians despise the Republican Party, and have even left it, for the exact reasons epitomized by the Rep. politican?

*stabs own eyes* I can't take so much stupid

Anywho, perhaps this could inspire hawkeye to make another vid *crosses fingers*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 02, 2014, 01:06:24 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on June 01, 2014, 11:12:55 PM
*stabs own eyes* I can't take so much stupid

Anywho, perhaps this could inspire hawkeye to make another vid *crosses fingers*

I've been trying to do another market myths but I ended up throwing the script into the garbage because it kept turning into a huge, rambly mess.

Not gonna do another on that dimwit.  He already got his bitch slap from me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 02, 2014, 07:15:07 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on June 02, 2014, 01:06:24 PM
I've been trying to do another market myths but I ended up throwing the script into the garbage because it kept turning into a huge, rambly mess.

Not gonna do another on that dimwit.  He already got his bitch slap from me.

A man can dream
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 02, 2014, 10:10:10 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 01, 2014, 11:01:38 PM
(http://amptoons.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/how_libertarians_vote.png)

Does this dimwitted cartoonist not realize that most libertarians despise the Republican Party, and have even left it, for the exact reasons epitomized by the Rep. politican?
Indeed.  And that quite a few of us--myself, Shane, Virgil0211, Hawkeye and others I'm sure--are actually former *leftists* who've always despised the political right.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 03, 2014, 08:35:57 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-uncomfortable-truths-behind-mens-rights-movement/
Has this fucktard ever even spoken to one before?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 03, 2014, 09:02:03 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 03, 2014, 08:35:57 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-uncomfortable-truths-behind-mens-rights-movement/
Has this fucktard ever even spoken to one before?

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2903592/keep-on-trollin-kibbles-o.gif)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 03, 2014, 09:11:58 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on June 03, 2014, 09:02:03 AM
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2903592/keep-on-trollin-kibbles-o.gif)
He's a SJW on the site.  Check out his other articles.  "He's just trolling" is not an excuse for that level of stupid.  If it's an excuse for them, then you could argue the same for all statists including folks like W.A.R.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on June 03, 2014, 04:20:36 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 03, 2014, 08:35:57 AM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-uncomfortable-truths-behind-mens-rights-movement/
Has this fucktard ever even spoken to one before?

This guys is ignorant as shit, in general. I wish I could buy the website, jsut so I could fire his ass.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 03, 2014, 04:52:10 PM
Quote from: VectorM on June 03, 2014, 04:20:36 PM
This guys is ignorant as shit, in general. I wish I could buy the website, jsut so I could fire his ass.

It's interesting that his sources seem to be 1) online forums (where you can find all sorts of nutbars, no matter the group) and 2) people who presume to know what's going on in the minds of others.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 03, 2014, 06:56:30 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 03, 2014, 04:52:10 PM
It's interesting that his sources seem to be 1) online forums (where you can find all sorts of nutbars, no matter the group) and 2) people who presume to know what's going on in the minds of others.
And as Hawkeye noted upon looking at it (win):
"Elliot Rodger was not an MRA you mangina idiot; deal with it.  Nor is the pickup community.  In fact most MRA's don't even like those guys very much."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 03, 2014, 07:52:18 PM
I'm pro-choice and even I facepalmed at the responses to this:
(http://www.folkingmetal.com/pickors/eagle-priorities.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 03, 2014, 09:30:08 PM
Yeah, we have two or three anti-natalists here, nothing to see. move on...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 03, 2014, 10:55:27 PM
Bill Maher proves just how super sciency and critical thinking he is.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 03, 2014, 11:21:02 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 03, 2014, 09:30:08 PM
Yeah, we have two or three anti-natalists here, nothing to see. move on...
"here" as in this forum, or that picture?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 04, 2014, 01:03:50 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 03, 2014, 11:21:02 PM
"here" as in this forum, or that picture?

the picture, not you guys. As far as I know, no one here is.

but yeah, I'm not kidding: that's the kind of stuff quite a few anti-natalists say. Many (EDIT: sorry--all) believe in a "negative" value to human births, with many believing that humans are pretty much the reason the planet's got suffering in it (the Eagle's population decline being an example).

I've seen some who believe giving birth is a form of--and I'm not making this shit up--deliberate suffering inflicted on children (So to them, Shane's a sadist), and should therefore be avoided (so no procreation at all). Still others believe that voluntary extinction is the only solution to the environmental issues.

EDIT: if you want a more famous (if not the most eloquent) example of these people on YT, I'd recommend watching Inmendham's videos. I do warn you, he's a bit...crazy. for "serious" philosophy, go with Schopenhauer, Cioran, and David Benatar.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 04, 2014, 06:16:22 AM
Quote from: D on June 03, 2014, 10:55:27 PM
Bill Maher proves just how super sciency and critical thinking he is.

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WTF does not labeling GMOs have to do with overfishing and horse meat in hamburgers???
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2014, 08:50:33 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 04, 2014, 01:03:50 AM
the picture, not you guys. As far as I know, no one here is.

but yeah, I'm not kidding: that's the kind of stuff quite a few anti-natalists say. Many (EDIT: sorry--all) believe in a "negative" value to human births, with many believing that humans are pretty much the reason the planet's got suffering in it (the Eagle's population decline being an example).

I've seen some who believe giving birth is a form of--and I'm not making this shit up--deliberate suffering inflicted on children (So to them, Shane's a sadist), and should therefore be avoided (so no procreation at all). Still others believe that voluntary extinction is the only solution to the environmental issues.

EDIT: if you want a more famous (if not the most eloquent) example of these people on YT, I'd recommend watching Inmendham's videos. I do warn you, he's a bit...crazy. for "serious" philosophy, go with Schopenhauer, Cioran, and David Benatar.
I don't get the idea of anti-natalism...if they really believe that human life is inherently negative in value (a misanthropic view if ever there was one), why don't they practice what they preach and kill themselves? I love pulling a Hawkeye and destroying entire books worth of arguments with a single sentence. ^.^

And yeah, I'd say that, if anything a human embryo is definitely worth more than any other animal egg/embryo because of the human qualities of rationality.  Sorry misanthropic folk, but we're the species that put all our chips into our brains--including being kind and socialization--relative to the rest of them.  And yes, needless to say, I was thinking of BTF when I posted that.  I was looking for that image for MONTHS to try and post it here. I'm pro-choice and even I facepalmed at those responses of theirs.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2014, 09:00:43 AM
http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Why-I-No-Longer-Use-Tumblr-458424486
Not the journal or comments, but rather the images posted.  Good lord? Seriously? Anyone who's not a feminist is a sexist and men's feelings don't matter while your feelz are precious? Good grief.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 04, 2014, 11:37:15 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 04, 2014, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: D on June 04, 2014, 11:37:15 AM
(http://i.4cdn.org/v/1401892477851.png)

Travon was not a violent 21 year old drug dealer! He was a violent seventeen year old drug dealer!

But seriously these people need to get a life/laid
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 04, 2014, 12:15:06 PM
Quote from: D on June 04, 2014, 11:37:15 AM
(http://i.4cdn.org/v/1401892477851.png)

Apparently, they have no idea how many years ago the character model must have been made for the game to be ready for release (unless it's as junky as a movie tie-in game).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 04, 2014, 06:33:12 PM
(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2014/141/4/7/anarcho_capitalism_is_feudalism_by_valendale-d7j937d.jpg)

(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2014/137/a/c/libertarian_feudalism_by_valendale-d7hhmcj.jpg)

Murray Rothbard comes to mind here: "It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 04, 2014, 11:33:38 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2014, 08:50:33 AM
I don't get the idea of anti-natalism...if they really believe that human life is inherently negative in value (a misanthropic view if ever there was one), why don't they practice what they preach and kill themselves? I love pulling a Hawkeye and destroying entire books worth of arguments with a single sentence. ^.^

well, not quite: remember, Antinatalism places a negative value on human births, not human life itself (at least, not directly). Which if anything is an even less defensible position than a direct assignment of negative value to human life itself, since you now have a contradictory position, on top of the misanthropy (human life can't really be separated from its beginning). the contradiction is only sharpened when you add in how many consider being alive=suffering, yet the goal of life being to avoid suffering, which is why they don't bump themselves off (since it involves suffering). the infliction of suffering (or rather, its prevention) being the reason some of these people are against human births.

who is BTF by the way?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 05, 2014, 12:08:42 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 04, 2014, 11:33:38 PM
well, not quite: remember, Antinatalism places a negative value on human births, not human life itself (at least, not directly).
Actually yes, because you can't have the latter without the former, as you said later on.

Also, BTF = BlameThe1st.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 05, 2014, 12:45:19 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 05, 2014, 12:08:42 AM
Actually yes, because you can't have the latter without the former, as you said later on.

not disagreeing. But I feel that their train of thought (as far as I can make out), is even dumber than just directly saying human life has a negative value, and more entertaining to expose.

QuoteAlso, BTF = BlameThe1st.

Oh, OK.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 05, 2014, 11:21:34 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 05, 2014, 12:45:19 AM
not disagreeing. But I feel that their train of thought (as far as I can make out), is even dumber than just directly saying human life has a negative value, and more entertaining to expose.

Oh, OK.
Ah, got it.  In my defense, I was really tired and sleepy when I made that post.

You're welcome. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 05, 2014, 02:40:26 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 05, 2014, 07:20:18 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 05, 2014, 11:21:34 AM
Ah, got it.  In my defense, I was really tired and sleepy when I made that post.

You're welcome. :P

no worries. just today I accidentally pulled money out of Dad's account (long story). have fixed that as best as possible, but Dad is, as usual, understanding. his only concern was that it was going to do that every month. what I find puzzling is that he doesn't want the money back (EDIT: mostly because: 1) I didn't ask, and 2) I'm sure he needs the money as much as I needed to make the payment) . will still hand over all of it when and if I can.

OK, really degressing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 05, 2014, 07:35:32 PM
Quote from: D on June 05, 2014, 02:40:26 PM
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Ignoring the government's role in this stuff as usual, I see, mr. media meat puppets. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 06, 2014, 08:39:59 AM
ArcFlayer: "The problem here isn't the copyright law, it's that some dumbass dickhole either forgot that parodies don't infringe copyright, or knew they didn't and purposefully twisted it until it somehow kind of resembled a possible case."--http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/HISHE-Targeted-By-Copyright-Nazis-458828484

Sorry, AF, but these laws aren't "malfunctioning." This is how they are supposed to work.  To crush the little guy at the benefit of big corporations.  Who does he think lobbied for these laws to begin with?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 06, 2014, 10:34:13 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/06/03/baker-forced-to-make-gay-wedding-cakes-undergo-sensitivity-training-after/
Gays, this is NOT how you gain acceptance.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 06, 2014, 11:25:51 AM
A lot of the comments here: http://washingtonexaminer.com/this-libertarian-pizza-deliverer-could-cost-republicans-the-senate/article/2549393/comments#disqus_thread

"This up coming election is a MUST WIN" Funny how I hear that EVERY election...

"Then you have the Libertarians. A party founded by a socialist Democrat, David Nolan, who was mad at the College Republicans for not allowing him to dictate how they run their organization. They claim to be socially Liberal and fiscally Conservative, but they conveniently leave out the part that social Liberalism requires a lot of taxes to pay for Sandra Fluke's birth control and other socially Liberal programs. Raising minimum wage is just as crippling to the economy as raising taxes or introducing more regulations. You are either one or the other but you can't be socially liberal while being fiscally conservative. Oh, and the opposite of "authoritarianism" is not "Libertarian"; it's anarchy. Unless you enjoy living in the hood, Libertarian is not what this country needs at all. They dangle pot legalization out there so the burned out, low information crowd gives the appearance of a growing organization. The party was only created in order to divide the Republican vote. Don't be fooled. Ironically, they are the first to call Republicans "RINO" for acting like Republicans instead of Libertarians."

And then there's all the conspiritards saying that Haugh (who is a friend of mine, BTW) is secretly being paid for by Democratic interests. Oh, if only!

Edit: My Ra, they just won't stop! "A vote for a Libertarian is a vote for a Democrat."

Especially this paperpushermj guy: "I am a Conservative and as much as I dislike the Entrenched Republican Establishment I at least believe they will listen to My concerns and be Influenced."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 07, 2014, 10:30:07 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 06, 2014, 11:25:51 AM
A lot of the comments here: http://washingtonexaminer.com/this-libertarian-pizza-deliverer-could-cost-republicans-the-senate/article/2549393/comments#disqus_thread

"This up coming election is a MUST WIN" Funny how I hear that EVERY election...

"Then you have the Libertarians. A party founded by a socialist Democrat, David Nolan, who was mad at the College Republicans for not allowing him to dictate how they run their organization. They claim to be socially Liberal and fiscally Conservative, but they conveniently leave out the part that social Liberalism requires a lot of taxes to pay for Sandra Fluke's birth control and other socially Liberal programs. Raising minimum wage is just as crippling to the economy as raising taxes or introducing more regulations. You are either one or the other but you can't be socially liberal while being fiscally conservative. Oh, and the opposite of "authoritarianism" is not "Libertarian"; it's anarchy. Unless you enjoy living in the hood, Libertarian is not what this country needs at all. They dangle pot legalization out there so the burned out, low information crowd gives the appearance of a growing organization. The party was only created in order to divide the Republican vote. Don't be fooled. Ironically, they are the first to call Republicans "RINO" for acting like Republicans instead of Libertarians."

And then there's all the conspiritards saying that Haugh (who is a friend of mine, BTW) is secretly being paid for by Democratic interests. Oh, if only!

Edit: My Ra, they just won't stop! "A vote for a Libertarian is a vote for a Democrat."

Especially this paperpushermj guy: "I am a Conservative and as much as I dislike the Entrenched Republican Establishment I at least believe they will listen to My concerns and be Influenced."
I've said it once, I'll say it again--let it NEVER be said that libertarians are the only the ones with the most conspiracy mongers.

EDIT: Since I *DO* have an account on disquis, I went and up-voted all your comments, and posted your videos on whether republicans are for smaller government and the one about Bush's so called "Tax Cuts." Along with the thread you posted about the guy pulling votes equally from democrats and republicans. Though it still needs to be approved, sadly. :(  I'm not a fan of the electoral process (I side with folks like Cantwell on this), however, I figured you deserved the upvotes if only for calling bullshit on the false political dichotomy and on the "republicans are for smaller government" bullshit being hashed out by the idiots in the comments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 07, 2014, 02:10:52 PM
"The GOP never had them. They were founded as a Big Government leftist party and they have never changed.

Incidentally, the founders would be considered "right wing extremists" by both parties today. The founders were correct and gave us a government that was workable, but only when the people are moral and control themselves. That is the reason we are at the pass we find ourselves at."--Quartermaster

Actually, they were leftist by their own standards up until the early 20th century.  And really? The right has NEVER been synonymous with freedom.  Ever.  So fail for bogosity and contradicting yourself.  Someone needs to show this guy a Nolan chart.  The right is conservatives/republicans and left is liberals/democrats and the *top* is libertarians--the small or even no government folks.  Note how it's not on either the right OR the left.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 07, 2014, 03:50:14 PM
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Well, gee, when policemen can rape children (see: the study from ReasonTV Dave showed me on children in Juvee getting raped by the guards, etc), murder innocents and so on without getting a single bit of justice (and no, a paid vacation is NOT justice) then yes, yes it is a police state.  Sorry, but the entire argument just boils down to if I said, "I'm not fat! See the guys on My 600 Pound Life? THAT'S fat!" Yeah, less fat than that is still fat, sorry.  And less totalitarian than North Korea or whereever is STILL Totalitarian, Steve.
/sigh
Also fail is a religious skeptic friend of mine (not on this board) who suggested this guy on the grounds that I'd like him....I wasn't sure if he was trolling/messing with me...but yeah, I'd probably like this Steve bloke a tad better if he wasn't such a statheist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 07, 2014, 04:53:22 PM
"Depends on the results of the particular semantic argument minarchists and anarchists get into whenever they try to pin down what government is."--Shane Killian, comments of this video [yt]xsWgEqXfUXA[/yt] (To be fair, the rest of the comment was rather win.)

Government is an institution of the initiation of force.  That is an objective, descriptive fact.  When has it ever been anything else?  To say otherwise is to conflate murder and self defense which is grossly disingenuous (or at least very annoying and very imprecise language).

As for minarchy, I will never understand why so many minarchists hold up the USA's early years as an 'ideal' size of government.  The USA is proof that the whole idea of government is a dead end.  Even when you have a constitution that is as clear as fucking crystal about the limitations of government, you still can't stop it from growing. (Whiskey Rebellion anyone?)
I'm sorry but we really need to start thinking of better ways to solve problems than "Give a bunch of narcicistic sociopaths power and cross our fingers they don't abuse it."

And even if "a little bit of government" (often just police, courts and military) wasn't the definition of minarchy, don't pretend minarchists who defend govco aren't a thing.  They are.  I've seen Stef argue/debate with one of them and I doubt that guy's the only one--

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PS: Yes, I'm a pedantic and anal retentive prick I know. @_@
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 07, 2014, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 07, 2014, 04:53:22 PMGovernment is an institution of the initiation of force.  That is an objective, descriptive fact.

There are many people who disagree. If I take our government as it is and remove all initiations of force--i.e., the only force it uses is for defense and justice, it's paid for voluntarily with donations, service fees, etc., and people are free to set up competing solutions, is what I have still a government? An-caps would say no, but in my experience almost everyone else would say it was.

That's just an argument I'm not interested in having. Eliminate the initiation of force; that's what I care about. After that, you can call it whatever you want.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 07, 2014, 05:19:15 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 07, 2014, 05:02:13 PM
There are many people who disagree. If I take our government as it is and remove all initiations of force--i.e., the only force it uses is for defense and justice, it's paid for voluntarily with donations, service fees, etc., and people are free to set up competing solutions, is what I have still a government? An-caps would say no, but in my experience almost everyone else would say it was.

That's just an argument I'm not interested in having. Eliminate the initiation of force; that's what I care about. After that, you can call it whatever you want.
So D notes that the last line of the second paragraph "is an argument from popularity.  If everyone else decided jumping off a cliff isn't suicide, does that make it true?" I find I'm too burned out to care*. XD Overall, good point and fair enough. :) Especially considering how many people think of government as just another institution like churches and businesses. To an extent I agree that the usage of a phrase or word does dictate meaning. (As long as it's not a game of the words mean whatever I want for whatever purpose I want.  E.g. "Atheism means you hate God!/eat babies!/are a Communist!"  Or some anarcho communists who say, "Force is subjective, ergo your definition is wrong!"--if it's subjective/opinion, how does the validity even enter into it?)

*Weight training--when you overdo it, it can really stress the nervous system. @.@ It's like I've had too much coffee.  Hence why I'm taking a week long break from it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 07, 2014, 06:18:18 PM
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/15-things-that-made-arnold-schwarzenegger-great.html
So after reading as much of this as I could stomach, I was thinking a number of things...for one, I'll never understand why so many people look up to him.  I mean, come on, he's also a politician...last I checked, that knocks him down a few pegs as far as admirability goes...It just strikes me as cult of personality bollocks. The stuff about him being generous and charming makes sense--politicians always are that way to their cronies...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 07, 2014, 07:27:54 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 07, 2014, 05:02:13 PM
There are many people who disagree. If I take our government as it is and remove all initiations of force--i.e., the only force it uses is for defense and justice, it's paid for voluntarily with donations, service fees, etc., and people are free to set up competing solutions, is what I have still a government? An-caps would say no, but in my experience almost everyone else would say it was.

That's just an argument I'm not interested in having. Eliminate the initiation of force; that's what I care about. After that, you can call it whatever you want.

As Larken Rose said "If you can't threaten people who disagree with your plan, what do you do?  Ask them nicely?  If that's all you can do, then you're not a government. Anyone could do that."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 07, 2014, 08:35:55 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on June 07, 2014, 07:27:54 PM
As Larken Rose said "If you can't threaten people who disagree with your plan, what do you do?  Ask them nicely?  If that's all you can do, then you're not a government. Anyone could do that."

And I've said before, I am an anarchist by the definition you gave:

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But again, not everyone uses the word "government" in the same way. Lots of voluntary organizations have what they call "government," which is the leaders setting the rules for the organization and what's going to happen. It's not like they pretend to be able to throw you in jail or anything.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 08, 2014, 01:27:53 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 07, 2014, 06:18:18 PM
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/15-things-that-made-arnold-schwarzenegger-great.html
So after reading as much of this as I could stomach, I was thinking a number of things...for one, I'll never understand why so many people look up to him.  I mean, come on, he's also a politician...last I checked, that knocks him down a few pegs as far as admirability goes...It just strikes me as cult of personality bollocks. The stuff about him being generous and charming makes sense--politicians always are that way to their cronies...

Unfortunately, I couldn't read it (it's throwing internal server errors at me at this time).

There is one thing that makes him actually pretty good, though.  All the stuff you actually see him doing?  That's really just his hobbies.  He was rich from his early business ventures long before anyone outside of serious bodybuilders had ever heard of him.

Yes, one of the all-time great action movie stars made all of those films as what amounts to a hobby.  Why else would he choose to walk away from almost all possible sequels?  He's made a total of three sequels in his whole career, and really dislikes at least one of those. (Conan the Destroyer was not originally supposed to be like that.  It's a perfectly good fantasy adventure movie, but it was supposed to be an underlying theme about some abstract concept, like the original had.)

Edit:  OK, I just checked his filmography, so I'll make that four sequels.  I'm not going to count The Expendables 2 because he wasn't in the original, and I'm not going to count Terminator: Genesis because that's a reboot instead of a sequel.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2014, 09:59:11 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on June 08, 2014, 01:27:53 AM
Unfortunately, I couldn't read it (it's throwing internal server errors at me at this time).

There is one thing that makes him actually pretty good, though.  All the stuff you actually see him doing?  That's really just his hobbies.  He was rich from his early business ventures long before anyone outside of serious bodybuilders had ever heard of him.

Yes, one of the all-time great action movie stars made all of those films as what amounts to a hobby.  Why else would he choose to walk away from almost all possible sequels?  He's made a total of three sequels in his whole career, and really dislikes at least one of those. (Conan the Destroyer was not originally supposed to be like that.  It's a perfectly good fantasy adventure movie, but it was supposed to be an underlying theme about some abstract concept, like the original had.)

Edit:  OK, I just checked his filmography, so I'll make that four sequels.  I'm not going to count The Expendables 2 because he wasn't in the original, and I'm not going to count Terminator: Genesis because that's a reboot instead of a sequel.
Okay, so you can read it, I put the text here, but behind a spoiler because of how much there is.
[spoiler]
Arnold Schwarzenegger
The Greatest Bodybuilder Of All Time
15 Things that Made Arnold Great
With all of his diverse triumphs, it feels like Arnold is five or six men wrapped up into one. Here are the secrets of his unprecedented success, as recalled by his former training partner Ric Drasin!

Email
by Ric Drasin May 08, 2014
Vital Stats

Name: Ric Drasin
Occupation: Artist, actor, talk show host, former professional wrestler, creator of the Gold's Gym logo
Location: Van Nuys, CA
Website: www.ricdrasin.com, www.ricscorner.com

I still remember the first time I walked in the door at Gold's Gym in 1970. I had been training at Bill Pearl's gym in Inglewood for most of the past year and seeing great results, but a few of my friends had convinced me to make the switch. I was trying to make my name as a wrestler, not a bodybuilder, but I knew this was the place to build an elite body.

Right away, I saw greats like Dave Draper, Frank Zane, Ken Waller, and Eddie Giuliani training together. Then I saw Arnold. Come to think of it, everyone noticed when he came in the room. He was about 260 pounds, huge, and in great shape. We had met once before, but once I was at Gold's, we quickly became friends and started doing some chest and back workouts together. We were on the same page with training, and even better, had a similar sense of humor.

Over the next few years, I had a unique window into what drove Arnold during his peak competitive years, as I've often discussed on my online show Ric's Corner. He was able to achieve things that no one else from our community did, and it wasn't by accident. Here's what made Arnold—the bodybuilder, the star, and the man—great.
1
He loved to train

Sure, the workouts we did were hard and grueling. But we also knew that training is supposed to be fun, so we made it that way. Arnold trained hard, and there were no secrets to his gains other than pounding out the sets and reps with good heavy weights. Of course we all eventually had injuries to deal with that changed the game, but in the early days, there was nothing more fun than intense, heavy training with classic movements.
2
He used variety—but not too much

Arnold liked to vary the exercises and throw in new movements weekly to change things up, but the sets and reps usually stayed pretty consistent. The Arnold Blueprint trainer is a good representation of the sort of work he did. Nevertheless, he knew that there were some movements that always needed to be a priority. For instance, we would occasionally compete in bench press, primarily because Arnold was so competitive and I always had a slight edge on that lift. My best was 455 pounds, and I think his was around 440.
3
He liked old-fashioned cardio

Today, it seems like nearly everybody in the weight room has built a wall around themselves in the form of a pair of headphones. This is even more the case when it comes to cardio, where you watch TV while you work the treadmill or bike. Talk about solitary confinement! Back in our day, there were none of these machines, and "cardio" was a run on the beach. It was fun, social, and as Arnold has said recently, it was the best way to build a tan that didn't suck.
4
He relied on proven nutrition principles

When we were training at our peak, supplements were pretty limited. Sure, we had protein at times, but that was about as far as it went, so most of what we built was powered by eating real food—and good food. I'm talking about high protein, high fat, and limited carbs, like nutrition experts are starting to advocate more and more these days. Funny how it all comes around.
"Most of what we built was powered by eating real food—and good food. I'm talking about high protein, high fat, and limited carbs."

Our hangout was Zucky's Delicatessen in Santa Monica, and everyone there knew us—especially after Arnold began dating the hostess. Every night we would head over for a cheese omelet, our final helping of protein.
5
He learned from his training

People talk about someone having a "winning personality," but until they've met Arnold, they've never really seen it in its purest form. He approached every situation with the expectation that he would get what he wanted, both inside the gym and out.

He trained hard, ate right, and saw his future place in a bigger picture. He knew discipline was the key if the end result was going to be good. He paid his dues overcoming a language barrier, becoming a United States citizen, and learning his way in a new country. From the start, the gym was his home base and most comfortable environment. Once he found his way there, he attacked everything else in his life in the same way.
6
His strategic charm

Arnold was a great negotiator and would make deals with companies around the world to use his name as it grew. He'd get supplements, cars, and just about anything else he'd ask for. His charm was the key to his greatness. He could charm anyone out of anything, and people really liked him. I haven't seen anyone like him since. Bodybuilders today could really learn from this, although it was really just his natural way.
7
His non-strategic charm
"Arnold was very good at getting attention, but he was also attentive to others."

Arnold had the personality and charisma to attract people, and he loved every minute of it. He was very good at getting attention, but he was also attentive to others, which made everyone feel comfortable around him. Although he was huge and imposing, his personality was the opposite.

My mom, who lived to 97, always told her friends about the time I brought Arnold over to her house and she made dinner for him, me, and my grandmother. He and my grandmother were from the same city in Austria, and it was quite a fun night where they had a lot to talk about. Both my mother and grandmother remembered that night for as long as they lived, but not just because Arnold was famous. It was because he made time for them, and because he was a fun guy, a great listener, and a natural storyteller.
8
He shared

People sometimes portray Arnold as a kind of egomaniac, but the truth is that he was very generous when it came helping others. He introduced me to Rheo Blair, who at that time was the guru of supplements and famous for his Blair's Protein, which was the best around and the most expensive. He set me up with Blair to do modeling with product ads in exchange for free supplements. Every month I could load up, and this was due to Arnold. He didn't have to do this; he simply wanted to help me.
Rheo Blair, 1960s protein guru
9
He wasn't afraid to fail

One day Arnold mentioned that he had a movie audition and asked if I would go with him, since there may be a role for me. I agreed, and later that night we drove up to Burbank. The dialogue was kind of biblical-sounding, complicated, and hard to read. Arnold stumbled over the words, and we both ended up laughing our way through it.

The producers didn't really care, because they liked Arnold anyway. We got back into the car and Arnold asked what I thought about it. I told him that he sucked and should forget acting altogether. Little did I know who he would become.
10
His persistence

He wouldn't take no for an answer on any level, and he had extreme confidence when asking for something. I took a ride with him out to Joe Weider's office to collect some money for expenses. When we got there, Arnold asked Joe for a check, and Joe tried to hold him off. Arnold responded by reaching into Joe's jacket, pulling out the checkbook, and filling out a check. Then he said, "Joe, sign it." Of course Joe did. Arnold was incredibly persistent when going after something he wanted, and Joe loved Arnold, so it always worked out.
"Arnold wouldn't take no for an answer on any level, and he had extreme confidence when asking for something."
11
His sense of humor

As countless people can attest, Arnold was great at helping people in the gym, even when he didn't know them. However, his sense of humor would sometimes get away from him. Once, he took one of the gym members up to the dressing room and had him pose naked, screaming when he'd flex his biceps and growling when going into a most-muscular shot. He also had the guy pose and rub down with motor oil. I'm sure the guy felt pretty stupid afterward, but in the long run, hijinks like these helped make the gym a more fun place for all of us to spend so many long hours.
12
He could multitask

At some point during the years we trained together, Arnold decided acting was the next thing for him. He had a vision of where he could take it, and he studied acting and put his best effort into it. He also began rubbing elbows with the right people, and sure enough, when doors opened for him, his charm took him through those doors to greater things.
"His drive, focus, and discipline were far beyond the average person, and he could apply these attributes wherever and however heneeded in order to achieve his goals."

But here's the amazing part: His bodybuilding didn't suffer at all as a result. He still competed in and won Mr. Olympia while pursuing acting and thriving in numerous other moneymaking projects. His drive, focus, and discipline were far beyond the average person, and he could apply these attributes wherever and however he needed in order to achieve his goals.
13
He was always Arnold

As Arnold's success in bodybuilding turned into success in films, he began meeting and befriending more and more influential people. At that point, he went off in a different direction from the rest of us at Gold's Gym, and a different group of people gathered around him. It changed again once he got involved with politics. But Arnold was always Arnold. Every once in a while, he would show up at a memorial for one of our friends, and it was the same old Arnold around us, as just one of the guys.

Every now and then, he still shows up down in Venice on his bike or in his car, and he's incredibly open and friendly to every kid and fan he meets down there. Just like in the old days, pretty much everyone who crosses paths with him remembers it afterward with a smile.
14
He stuck to his roots

It's amazing that after all those years and all his accomplishments, Arnold has always kept his love for bodybuilding. At a time when he was a huge movie star, he still found time to write books that explained exactly how to achieve their physical potential. And today he's still at it, promoting the Arnold Sports Festival in the states and abroad, living the fitness lifestyle and doing what he loves best.
15
He wasn't afraid to grow

He's the only person on Earth who has succeeded dramatically in the worlds of bodybuilding, film, and politics. He had one of the best bodies in the world, was one of the largest box office draws in history, and became Governor of California in a landslide victory. None of these things happened by accident. They all took a lot of work and study. No one handed anything to him; he worked hard for all of it. And the prize is that his name, face, and body are recognized around the world.[/spoiler]
And yeah, lots of images calling him "The Greatest Bodybuilder of All Time." Cult of personality much? Grief, it gives me the feeling I'm reading his own self written fanfiction/wank material.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 08, 2014, 10:14:49 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2014, 09:59:11 AM
Okay, so you can read it, I put the text here, but behind a spoiler because of how much there is.
[spoiler]
Arnold Schwarzenegger
The Greatest Bodybuilder Of All Time
15 Things that Made Arnold Great
With all of his diverse triumphs, it feels like Arnold is five or six men wrapped up into one. Here are the secrets of his unprecedented success, as recalled by his former training partner Ric Drasin!

Email
by Ric Drasin May 08, 2014
Vital Stats

Name: Ric Drasin
Occupation: Artist, actor, talk show host, former professional wrestler, creator of the Gold's Gym logo
Location: Van Nuys, CA
Website: www.ricdrasin.com, www.ricscorner.com

I still remember the first time I walked in the door at Gold's Gym in 1970. I had been training at Bill Pearl's gym in Inglewood for most of the past year and seeing great results, but a few of my friends had convinced me to make the switch. I was trying to make my name as a wrestler, not a bodybuilder, but I knew this was the place to build an elite body.

Right away, I saw greats like Dave Draper, Frank Zane, Ken Waller, and Eddie Giuliani training together. Then I saw Arnold. Come to think of it, everyone noticed when he came in the room. He was about 260 pounds, huge, and in great shape. We had met once before, but once I was at Gold's, we quickly became friends and started doing some chest and back workouts together. We were on the same page with training, and even better, had a similar sense of humor.

Over the next few years, I had a unique window into what drove Arnold during his peak competitive years, as I've often discussed on my online show Ric's Corner. He was able to achieve things that no one else from our community did, and it wasn't by accident. Here's what made Arnold—the bodybuilder, the star, and the man—great.
1
He loved to train

Sure, the workouts we did were hard and grueling. But we also knew that training is supposed to be fun, so we made it that way. Arnold trained hard, and there were no secrets to his gains other than pounding out the sets and reps with good heavy weights. Of course we all eventually had injuries to deal with that changed the game, but in the early days, there was nothing more fun than intense, heavy training with classic movements.
2
He used variety—but not too much

Arnold liked to vary the exercises and throw in new movements weekly to change things up, but the sets and reps usually stayed pretty consistent. The Arnold Blueprint trainer is a good representation of the sort of work he did. Nevertheless, he knew that there were some movements that always needed to be a priority. For instance, we would occasionally compete in bench press, primarily because Arnold was so competitive and I always had a slight edge on that lift. My best was 455 pounds, and I think his was around 440.
3
He liked old-fashioned cardio

Today, it seems like nearly everybody in the weight room has built a wall around themselves in the form of a pair of headphones. This is even more the case when it comes to cardio, where you watch TV while you work the treadmill or bike. Talk about solitary confinement! Back in our day, there were none of these machines, and "cardio" was a run on the beach. It was fun, social, and as Arnold has said recently, it was the best way to build a tan that didn't suck.
4
He relied on proven nutrition principles

When we were training at our peak, supplements were pretty limited. Sure, we had protein at times, but that was about as far as it went, so most of what we built was powered by eating real food—and good food. I'm talking about high protein, high fat, and limited carbs, like nutrition experts are starting to advocate more and more these days. Funny how it all comes around.
"Most of what we built was powered by eating real food—and good food. I'm talking about high protein, high fat, and limited carbs."

Our hangout was Zucky's Delicatessen in Santa Monica, and everyone there knew us—especially after Arnold began dating the hostess. Every night we would head over for a cheese omelet, our final helping of protein.
5
He learned from his training

People talk about someone having a "winning personality," but until they've met Arnold, they've never really seen it in its purest form. He approached every situation with the expectation that he would get what he wanted, both inside the gym and out.

He trained hard, ate right, and saw his future place in a bigger picture. He knew discipline was the key if the end result was going to be good. He paid his dues overcoming a language barrier, becoming a United States citizen, and learning his way in a new country. From the start, the gym was his home base and most comfortable environment. Once he found his way there, he attacked everything else in his life in the same way.
6
His strategic charm

Arnold was a great negotiator and would make deals with companies around the world to use his name as it grew. He'd get supplements, cars, and just about anything else he'd ask for. His charm was the key to his greatness. He could charm anyone out of anything, and people really liked him. I haven't seen anyone like him since. Bodybuilders today could really learn from this, although it was really just his natural way.
7
His non-strategic charm
"Arnold was very good at getting attention, but he was also attentive to others."

Arnold had the personality and charisma to attract people, and he loved every minute of it. He was very good at getting attention, but he was also attentive to others, which made everyone feel comfortable around him. Although he was huge and imposing, his personality was the opposite.

My mom, who lived to 97, always told her friends about the time I brought Arnold over to her house and she made dinner for him, me, and my grandmother. He and my grandmother were from the same city in Austria, and it was quite a fun night where they had a lot to talk about. Both my mother and grandmother remembered that night for as long as they lived, but not just because Arnold was famous. It was because he made time for them, and because he was a fun guy, a great listener, and a natural storyteller.
8
He shared

People sometimes portray Arnold as a kind of egomaniac, but the truth is that he was very generous when it came helping others. He introduced me to Rheo Blair, who at that time was the guru of supplements and famous for his Blair's Protein, which was the best around and the most expensive. He set me up with Blair to do modeling with product ads in exchange for free supplements. Every month I could load up, and this was due to Arnold. He didn't have to do this; he simply wanted to help me.
Rheo Blair, 1960s protein guru
9
He wasn't afraid to fail

One day Arnold mentioned that he had a movie audition and asked if I would go with him, since there may be a role for me. I agreed, and later that night we drove up to Burbank. The dialogue was kind of biblical-sounding, complicated, and hard to read. Arnold stumbled over the words, and we both ended up laughing our way through it.

The producers didn't really care, because they liked Arnold anyway. We got back into the car and Arnold asked what I thought about it. I told him that he sucked and should forget acting altogether. Little did I know who he would become.
10
His persistence

He wouldn't take no for an answer on any level, and he had extreme confidence when asking for something. I took a ride with him out to Joe Weider's office to collect some money for expenses. When we got there, Arnold asked Joe for a check, and Joe tried to hold him off. Arnold responded by reaching into Joe's jacket, pulling out the checkbook, and filling out a check. Then he said, "Joe, sign it." Of course Joe did. Arnold was incredibly persistent when going after something he wanted, and Joe loved Arnold, so it always worked out.
"Arnold wouldn't take no for an answer on any level, and he had extreme confidence when asking for something."
11
His sense of humor

As countless people can attest, Arnold was great at helping people in the gym, even when he didn't know them. However, his sense of humor would sometimes get away from him. Once, he took one of the gym members up to the dressing room and had him pose naked, screaming when he'd flex his biceps and growling when going into a most-muscular shot. He also had the guy pose and rub down with motor oil. I'm sure the guy felt pretty stupid afterward, but in the long run, hijinks like these helped make the gym a more fun place for all of us to spend so many long hours.
12
He could multitask

At some point during the years we trained together, Arnold decided acting was the next thing for him. He had a vision of where he could take it, and he studied acting and put his best effort into it. He also began rubbing elbows with the right people, and sure enough, when doors opened for him, his charm took him through those doors to greater things.
"His drive, focus, and discipline were far beyond the average person, and he could apply these attributes wherever and however heneeded in order to achieve his goals."

But here's the amazing part: His bodybuilding didn't suffer at all as a result. He still competed in and won Mr. Olympia while pursuing acting and thriving in numerous other moneymaking projects. His drive, focus, and discipline were far beyond the average person, and he could apply these attributes wherever and however he needed in order to achieve his goals.
13
He was always Arnold

As Arnold's success in bodybuilding turned into success in films, he began meeting and befriending more and more influential people. At that point, he went off in a different direction from the rest of us at Gold's Gym, and a different group of people gathered around him. It changed again once he got involved with politics. But Arnold was always Arnold. Every once in a while, he would show up at a memorial for one of our friends, and it was the same old Arnold around us, as just one of the guys.

Every now and then, he still shows up down in Venice on his bike or in his car, and he's incredibly open and friendly to every kid and fan he meets down there. Just like in the old days, pretty much everyone who crosses paths with him remembers it afterward with a smile.
14
He stuck to his roots

It's amazing that after all those years and all his accomplishments, Arnold has always kept his love for bodybuilding. At a time when he was a huge movie star, he still found time to write books that explained exactly how to achieve their physical potential. And today he's still at it, promoting the Arnold Sports Festival in the states and abroad, living the fitness lifestyle and doing what he loves best.
15
He wasn't afraid to grow

He's the only person on Earth who has succeeded dramatically in the worlds of bodybuilding, film, and politics. He had one of the best bodies in the world, was one of the largest box office draws in history, and became Governor of California in a landslide victory. None of these things happened by accident. They all took a lot of work and study. No one handed anything to him; he worked hard for all of it. And the prize is that his name, face, and body are recognized around the world.[/spoiler]
And yeah, lots of images calling him "The Greatest Bodybuilder of All Time." Cult of personality much? Grief, it gives me the feeling I'm reading his own self written fanfiction/wank material.

Great, a fanboy who's ignorant of the world he's a fanboy of.

The bodybuilding got him from Austria to California, where he went into business for himself, operating a bricklaying company, and later investing in real estate and starting up a business selling specialist bodybuilding products.  Those businesses are his greatest success, meaning he can treat his movie career as a hobby instead of his livelihood. (Not a lot of actors get to do that, and far fewer from money from outside of acting.)

It's also quite poorly written, with more than one pair of items that are really the same thing.

Just to brutally smash #15 in particular, I'll give you Sean Connery.  He was also Mr. Universe, which he also parlayed into a hugely successful acting career.  He's also famously a Scottish Nationalist, and if you think that's not a successful political position, they're doing well enough to get a referendum on Scotland succeeding from the UK.  (Given the inertia against breaking up states, getting a referendum on doing that is pretty damn impressive.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2014, 10:55:28 AM
http://www.cracked.com/article_18670_5-widely-believed-dating-myths-science-says-arent-true_p2.html
I'm sorry, but I call bullshit on #2.  Either that or those feminists are overcompensating...And #4 might have to do with social pressures.
Man who gets dumped/into a fight and whines about it: "Grow up you pussy!"
When it happens to a women: [endless amounts of sympathy thrown her way from her circle of friends and from betas looking to play the nice guy/white knight]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 08, 2014, 05:39:36 PM
(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/s526x395/10427231_321890517967014_5204565480470675203_n.jpg)

this needs to be moved to religious fiction or comedy
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 08, 2014, 07:10:01 PM
[yt]yvziCtAoo0o&feature[/yt]

The flying spaghetti is ridiculous? Are we talking talking snakes ridiculous or seven headed dragon level of ridiculous?

The point of TFSM is to point out that the burden of proof is on the one making the extraordinary claim, not the one who disbelieves.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2014, 08:14:14 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on June 08, 2014, 07:10:01 PM
[yt]yvziCtAoo0o&feature[/yt]

The flying spaghetti is ridiculous? Are we talking talking snakes ridiculous or seven headed dragon level of ridiculous?

The point of TFSM is to point out that the burden of proof is on the one making the extraordinary claim, not the one who disbelieves.
Speaking of which:

http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Flying-Spaghetti-Monster-Seriously-459452599

Especially this bit in the beginning:

"If there was one indicator that education in this country was circling the drain, it would be the emerging rise of atheism, especially among millennials. When you have government mismanaging education, what else can you expect but an entire generation of uneducated rubes easily susceptible to irrational notions such as a self-created universe? ('The universe requires a creator? That's silly! Everyone knows that the universe created itself. That's clearly a far more rational explanation than your sky daddy! Derp!')"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 08, 2014, 08:19:46 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2014, 08:14:14 PM
Speaking of which:

http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Flying-Spaghetti-Monster-Seriously-459452599

Especially this bit in the beginning:

"If there was one indicator that education in this country was circling the drain, it would be the emerging rise of atheism, especially among millennials. When you have government mismanaging education, what else can you expect but an entire generation of uneducated rubes easily susceptible to irrational notions such as a self-created universe? ('The universe requires a creator? That's silly! Everyone knows that the universe created itself. That's clearly a far more rational explanation than your sky daddy! Derp!')"

Yeah i was trying not to finger  BTF when i saw him post this :(
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 08, 2014, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on June 08, 2014, 07:10:01 PM
[yt]yvziCtAoo0o&feature[/yt]

The flying spaghetti is ridiculous? Are we talking talking snakes ridiculous or seven headed dragon level of ridiculous?

The point of TFSM is to point out that the burden of proof is on the one making the extraordinary claim, not the one who disbelieves.

I thought it was to highlight the irrationality of teaching creationism in school--what with the fact that it came about after the whole Kansas thingy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2014, 11:30:02 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on June 08, 2014, 10:14:49 AM
Great, a fanboy who's ignorant of the world he's a fanboy of.

The bodybuilding got him from Austria to California, where he went into business for himself, operating a bricklaying company, and later investing in real estate and starting up a business selling specialist bodybuilding products.  Those businesses are his greatest success, meaning he can treat his movie career as a hobby instead of his livelihood. (Not a lot of actors get to do that, and far fewer from money from outside of acting.)

It's also quite poorly written, with more than one pair of items that are really the same thing.

Just to brutally smash #15 in particular, I'll give you Sean Connery.  He was also Mr. Universe, which he also parlayed into a hugely successful acting career.  He's also famously a Scottish Nationalist, and if you think that's not a successful political position, they're doing well enough to get a referendum on Scotland succeeding from the UK.  (Given the inertia against breaking up states, getting a referendum on doing that is pretty damn impressive.)
I honestly don't get what so many people look up to Arnold Schwartzenagger.  He's just a cold, calculating, and manipulative egomaniac just like the rest of the political class.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on June 08, 2014, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2014, 11:30:02 PM
I honestly don't get what so many people look up to Arnold Schwartzenagger.  He's just a cold, calculating, and manipulative egomaniac just like the rest of the political class.

...and he was totally unremarkable as governor nonetheless.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 09, 2014, 12:07:07 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2014, 11:30:02 PM
I honestly don't get what so many people look up to Arnold Schwartzenagger.  He's just a cold, calculating, and manipulative egomaniac just like the rest of the political class.

Because he's UHNOLD, and will kill you with his SWWWOOOORD!!! :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 09, 2014, 12:15:13 AM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on June 08, 2014, 11:48:33 PM
...and he was totally unremarkable as governor nonetheless.
He also seems to want to run for president:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Schwarzenegger#Presidential_ambitions (Yes, it's Wikipedia, but at least they provide a source for it.)  If he actually pulls it off.  Good.  At least Rand Paul won't be running/in office causing people to point to him as an example of why a libertarian president would suck.

Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 09, 2014, 12:07:07 AM
Because he's UHNOLD, and will kill you with his SWWWOOOORD!!! :P
LOL ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 09, 2014, 12:16:36 AM
http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Losing-Our-Religion-Not-Quite-459542102

He *does* know that the vast majority of atheists aren't from atheist families, right? The vast majority are former religious people who spat out the Kool-Aid.  Also,

"'Unless you'd rather have believers than thinkers.'

LOL! You make it sound as though there is a difference."
BTF in the comments, Um, just in this journal and in the others, you talked as if they were on opposite ends.  Make up your damn mind!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 09, 2014, 01:57:13 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 09, 2014, 12:15:13 AM
He also seems to want to run for president:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Schwarzenegger#Presidential_ambitions (Yes, it's Wikipedia, but at least they provide a source for it.)  If he actually pulls it off.  Good.  At least Rand Paul won't be running/in office causing people to point to him as an example of why a libertarian president would suck.
LOL ;D

yeah, isn't that unconstitutional? he isn't a born US citizen after-all (in fact, I thought he was originally an Austrian by birth)

then again, we are talking about a government that passed the NDAA, so hey, why not piss on this requirement too?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 09, 2014, 09:57:57 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 09, 2014, 01:57:13 AM
yeah, isn't that unconstitutional? he isn't a born US citizen after-all (in fact, I thought he was originally an Austrian by birth)

then again, we are talking about a government that passed the NDAA, so hey, why not piss on this requirement too?

He's got enough personal popularity that he could probably get an Amendment through to allow him to run.

Quote from: Dallas Wildman on June 08, 2014, 11:48:33 PM
...and he was totally unremarkable as governor nonetheless.

I recall two things from his time: Ensuring that California had rolling blackouts, and trying to mandate tracking devices in those electric cars he was forcing into the market.  (The tracking devices were for the tax on travel by electric car that was to replace the gas tax that wouldn't be paid for electric cars.  Never consider doing it based on the odometer readings, which are intended to be hard to fake.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 09, 2014, 02:51:47 PM
(https://origin-api.ning.com/files/YRLUUDDsi*RVxbSdlDHQWi-vpx3TSmrzGFIJP4NSfnHIanksCXJoGpzIfFl819GM8UCPgAl9WeAYzRdGLrKbJPlq78NrLQva/TechnologyEinstein1.jpg)--from http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Daily-Pony-Ponies-and-Smartphones-459652037
Nostalgic/good 'ol days fallacy at its finest.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 09, 2014, 06:49:19 PM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10345558_703277876406646_7516618080253432315_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 10, 2014, 01:36:34 AM
https://kevinjdog.livejournal.com/759938.html?nojs=1
"Yay Obama!
I've got so much to say about this, that I don't know where to start. First, it was brave during an election year. Second, fellow liberals, please don't rain on the parade right now by saying "yeah, but he hasn't done X, has he?" Have the decency to at least wait a bit. And third, maybe in my lifetime I can legally bring English miceys over to be by my side. :D"
(He's referring to his fiance' in the last sentence.)  Oh, you naive, special pleading fool...

https://kevinjdog.livejournal.com/752179.html?nojs=1
Because drone strikes, continued war, more bailouts and more socialism and mass murder worse than Bush like the republicans/conservatives is apparently 'enlightenment'...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 10, 2014, 02:21:37 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 06, 2014, 11:25:51 AM
A lot of the comments here: http://washingtonexaminer.com/this-libertarian-pizza-deliverer-could-cost-republicans-the-senate/article/2549393/comments#disqus_thread

"This up coming election is a MUST WIN" Funny how I hear that EVERY election...

"Then you have the Libertarians. A party founded by a socialist Democrat, David Nolan, who was mad at the College Republicans for not allowing him to dictate how they run their organization. They claim to be socially Liberal and fiscally Conservative, but they conveniently leave out the part that social Liberalism requires a lot of taxes to pay for Sandra Fluke's birth control and other socially Liberal programs. Raising minimum wage is just as crippling to the economy as raising taxes or introducing more regulations. You are either one or the other but you can't be socially liberal while being fiscally conservative. Oh, and the opposite of "authoritarianism" is not "Libertarian"; it's anarchy. Unless you enjoy living in the hood, Libertarian is not what this country needs at all. They dangle pot legalization out there so the burned out, low information crowd gives the appearance of a growing organization. The party was only created in order to divide the Republican vote. Don't be fooled. Ironically, they are the first to call Republicans "RINO" for acting like Republicans instead of Libertarians."

And then there's all the conspiritards saying that Haugh (who is a friend of mine, BTW) is secretly being paid for by Democratic interests. Oh, if only!

Edit: My Ra, they just won't stop! "A vote for a Libertarian is a vote for a Democrat."

Especially this paperpushermj guy: "I am a Conservative and as much as I dislike the Entrenched Republican Establishment I at least believe they will listen to My concerns and be Influenced."
Every single comment by paperpushermj is a fail, that much is certain.  Love the conspiracy mongers going on about how he was funded by the democrats...So did we land on the moon or not?
And as far ad hominem, As TJ once said, an ad hominem is NOT when someone is personally insulted.  Calling a pillock a pillock is not an ad hominem, it's only when you try to use that to refute his position.  Sheesh.  He even posted a dictionary definition where the first definition was of emotional appeal not of ad hominem, so I guess he's just that fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 10, 2014, 12:57:14 PM
Prodius on that libertarian pizza person article Shane's been commenting on:
"I as a Constitutional Conservative know exactly what Libertarians are.
The problem is many Libertarians do not know. When you discuss economics with a Libertarian and they have no idea who Carl Menger is then you know it's just a confused Liberal.
I have no problem with Libertarians, I do have a problem with Liberals posing as Libertarians."

>>Knows who Carl Menger is
>>Still calls himself a conservative.
Not sure if he's either really bad as processing information about the world around him, or if he's just straight up lying.
Folks, conservatives have NEVER and are NOT limited/small/anti-government.  Never have been.  Never will be.  We have *HUNDREDS* of years of evidence to back this up.  1st rule of politics--saying =\= doing.  Hell, just look at what they did to Ron Paul in the 2008 and 2012 elections.  Breaking the law, their own rules, etc.  They've made it 100% crystal clear that libertarians and libertarian ideas are not fucking welcome, much less a part of their ideology.
And really? Just not knowing who he is makes you a liberal? Non sequitor much? Here's a few more names you probably don't know about:  Murray Rothbard, Harry Browne, Ludwig von Mises, Mary J Ruwart, Lysander Spooner, Stefan Molynuex, Chrisopher Cantwell, Henry Hazlitt, Frederick Bastiat and countless others.  No, what makes a person a libertarian is whether or not they believe and adhere to the NAP and the principle of self ownership.  THAT is what a libertarian makes, you conservative tool.

At least Shane did a good job responding back:  "I as a Libertarian know what Libertarians are better than you do. And I DEFINITELY have a problem with conservatives posing as Libertarians, which is a FAR bigger problem than liberals doing so."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 10, 2014, 11:17:47 PM
Why is it that creationist always know nothing about evolution?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152481739639669
There is so much fail in this video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 11, 2014, 12:17:32 AM
From a "stop gun violence" group

(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/10352386_866133376747562_5821349764177220131_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 11, 2014, 01:02:28 AM
and trample the noticeably absent from foot thing we people here call "Liberty"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on June 11, 2014, 02:56:28 AM
I know I'm going into semantics or aesthetics or whatever, but I do wonder, what is the likelihood of getting envenomed by stepping on a rattlesnake barefoot? I do imagine that was the point of the Gadsden flag -- you don't trample liberty for the same reason you don't step on venomous snakes.

Hmm, I kinda want to make an edit of this poster with more accurate labels. What think you of these?:
Humanity Dogmatism
Civility Ignorance
Democracy Partisanship
Reason Emotion

The snake needs a "Liberty" label, too, since at least one person has clearly forgotten what it represents...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 11, 2014, 06:30:37 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on June 11, 2014, 02:56:28 AM
I know I'm going into semantics or aesthetics or whatever, but I do wonder, what is the likelihood of getting envenomed by stepping on a rattlesnake barefoot? I do imagine that was the point of the Gadsden flag -- you don't trample liberty for the same reason you don't step on venomous snakes.

Hmm, I kinda want to make an edit of this poster with more accurate labels. What think you of these?:
Humanity Dogmatism
Civility Ignorance
Democracy Partisanship
Reason Emotion

The snake needs a "Liberty" label, too, since at least one person has clearly forgotten what it represents...
Indeed.  And considering it's from an anti-gun group, as usual, their argument fails because they special plead for the state, as usual.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 11, 2014, 06:52:19 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 10, 2014, 11:17:47 PM
Why is it that creationist always know nothing about evolution?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152481739639669
There is so much fail in this video.

Because if they did they wouldn't be creationists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 11, 2014, 08:12:56 AM
http://billmoyers.com/2014/03/13/tackling-student-debt-and-the-privatization-of-education/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 11, 2014, 08:19:25 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 11, 2014, 08:12:56 AM
http://billmoyers.com/2014/03/13/tackling-student-debt-and-the-privatization-of-education/

Never mind that student debt is only a problem because government insists on inflating it by putting in loan support of various types so that people will qualify when they wouldn't otherwise, and then also make this a special kind of debt that you cannot clear through bankruptcy (putting it on the same footing as punitive damages, the part of a civil judgement that is explicitly applied as punishment).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 11, 2014, 07:31:19 PM
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/06/11/disturbingly-true/#comments (http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/06/11/disturbingly-true/#comments)

Not so much the cartoon as the comments. Most of them are "Dur Hur! Reich-Wing Re-Thug-licans are violent thugs." Like this one:

QuoteIt would have been funny if it weren't so true. I suspect the main reason behind conservatives' push to allow guns on college campuses, coupled with hideously broad stand – your – ground laws, is to enable wingnuts to intimidate faculty and fellow students, and perhaps even execute people on occasion for insulting Baby Jesus and fictional Founding Fathers by doing science or denouncing slavery or whatever.

Really? Conservatives want guns on campus to shoot people they disagree with? I take it that, if I were to ask this woman to name one instance in which a college campus shooting was motivated by "reich-wing" politics, she would draw a blank.

They can rant about them "ebil reich-wingers" being domestic terrorists, but it doesn't negate the fact that the top domestic terrorist threats are eco-terrorists (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/24/schuster.column/index.html), and I doubt they vote for politicans with an R next to their names.

At least one commenter is trying to instill some nuance in the comments section. However, when he argues that Obama has just as much blood on his hands through his warmongering foreign policy, most of the others shirk him off. "Nuh uh! Dubya was far worse." Never mind that more drone strikes have been launched under Obama. Let's ignore Democrat warmongering and focus on dem ebil re-thug-licans.

Really, I hate conversations like this, because it focuses on the false left-right paradigm and enforces the illusion of choice, because, really, in the end, folks like me pretty much hate the Republicans too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 11, 2014, 08:07:10 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 11, 2014, 07:31:19 PM
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/06/11/disturbingly-true/#comments (http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/06/11/disturbingly-true/#comments)

Not so much the cartoon as the comments. Most of them are "Dur Hur! Reich-Wing Re-Thug-licans are violent thugs."

I hate to say it but I actually lol'ed at the cartoon.  It had a very...libertarian undertone...put him in a police uniform and you see what I mean.

Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 11, 2014, 07:31:19 PM
Like this one: [insert fucktarded comment here.]

Really? Conservatives want guns on campus to shoot people they disagree with? I take it that, if I were to ask this woman to name one instance in which a college campus shooting was motivated by "reich-wing" politics, she would draw a blank.
What's with these idiots going on about "reich-wingers?" They *do* know what the full name of Hitler's party was right?

Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 11, 2014, 07:31:19 PMThey can rant about them "ebil reich-wingers" being domestic terrorists, but it doesn't negate the fact that the top domestic terrorist threats are eco-terrorists (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/24/schuster.column/index.html), and I doubt they vote for politicans with an R next to their names.
I'll have to remember that for later. >:3

Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 11, 2014, 07:31:19 PMAt least one commenter is trying to instill some nuance in the comments section. However, when he argues that Obama has just as much blood on his hands through his warmongering foreign policy, most of the others shirk him off. "Nuh uh! Dubya was far worse." Never mind that more drone strikes have been launched under Obama. Let's ignore Democrat warmongering and focus on dem ebil re-thug-licans.
And of course, the Japanese Americans put into concentration camps under FDR.

Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 11, 2014, 07:31:19 PMReally, I hate conversations like this, because it focuses on the false left-right paradigm and enforces the illusion of choice, because, really, in the end, folks like me pretty much hate the Republicans too.
True that.

Also, can we just rightly assume that everything PZ Myers and the statheist wankers on that site post is a super fail at this point, and just put the main/homepage of the site in this thread to make it official?
Super fail: --> http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 11, 2014, 08:39:14 PM
Really? This (http://www.commondreams.org/further/2014/06/10) is considered a solution for school shootings?

Let's look at this shall we?

(http://www.commondreams.org/sites/commondreams.org/files/imce-images/body_bigger_enhanced-21958-1402348323-8.jpg)

Okay, so look at these "blankets." They barely look big enough to be a beach towel, let alone enough to cover a kid to prevent them from getting shot. Secondly, how the fuck would this stop a guy from shooting these kids even if these blankets were actually big enough to cover them? What would prevent a psychopath from just taking the blanket off of them and shooting them? Thirdly,do you not trust teachers with guns that badly that you'd rather have kids hide in a shell like a turtle?

Fucking dumb.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 11, 2014, 08:53:04 PM
Quote from: D on June 11, 2014, 08:39:14 PM
Really? This (http://www.commondreams.org/further/2014/06/10) is considered a solution for school shootings?

Let's look at this shall we?

(http://www.commondreams.org/sites/commondreams.org/files/imce-images/body_bigger_enhanced-21958-1402348323-8.jpg)

Okay, so look at these "blankets." They barely look big enough to be a beach towel, let alone enough to cover a kid to prevent them from getting shot. Secondly, how the fuck would this stop a guy from shooting these kids even if these blankets were actually big enough to cover them? What would prevent a psychopath from just taking the blanket off of them and shooting them? Thirdly,do you not trust teachers with guns that badly that you'd rather have kids hide in a shell like a turtle?

Fucking dumb.

No dumber than telling us to hide under our desks if there's a nuclear attack.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 11, 2014, 10:51:52 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 11, 2014, 08:53:04 PM
No dumber than telling us to hide under our desks if there's a nuclear attack.

Actually, it is dumber.  Being under your desk might provide significantly more protection from a nuclear attack (depending on the range and force of the blast you were subjected to).  Trying a purely passive defense against an intelligent, active attacker is simply not going to work.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 11, 2014, 11:26:07 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on June 11, 2014, 10:51:52 PM
Actually, it is dumber.  Being under your desk might provide significantly more protection from a nuclear attack (depending on the range and force of the blast you were subjected to).  Trying a purely passive defense against an intelligent, active attacker is simply not going to work.

I would find it acceptable if they were given those blankets nailed/glued to a solid bullet-resistant backing, a boss, and a grip.

at that point, we get a convenient ballistic scutum with which to ram to death the bugger with the gun.

even then, it is still not a bright idea. just let people defend themselves however they wish.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on June 12, 2014, 12:39:31 AM
Who the flying fu<k wrote THIS nonsense?
(http://i.imgur.com/GdInfrI.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 12, 2014, 06:58:33 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on June 11, 2014, 10:51:52 PM
Actually, it is dumber.  Being under your desk might provide significantly more protection from a nuclear attack (depending on the range and force of the blast you were subjected to).  Trying a purely passive defense against an intelligent, active attacker is simply not going to work.

You're telling me a nuclear blast--which is going to come from the side--is somehow going to be less if we're under a desk rather than on top of it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 12, 2014, 08:40:36 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 12, 2014, 06:58:33 AM
You're telling me a nuclear blast--which is going to come from the side--is somehow going to be less if we're under a desk rather than on top of it?

First, the blast will tend to come from above as well as the side, since it would be an air burst.

Second, every school I've ever seen has windows only above the level of the desks.

Third, the more supportive structure you have over you in any event that's likely to dislodge chunks of the structure, the better. (This also applies to earthquakes, where doorways are generally a good place to be since they are more heavily built than other sections of walls in conventional construction, and things like tornadoes, where under a desk or a table is preferable if you don't have a room solid enough to hide in, and, obviously, under a desk or table in a really solid room is best.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 12, 2014, 09:18:37 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on June 12, 2014, 08:40:36 AM
First, the blast will tend to come from above as well as the side, since it would be an air burst.

No, it's an expanding spherical shockwave from the point of the explosion. Unless you're near ground zero (in which case you'll be vaporized), the bulk of the blast is going to come from the side.

You can see it beautifully in this footage:

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Notice that the blast comes from the side, EVERY TIME. It even pushes a bit upward, lifting off roofs etc.

QuoteSecond, every school I've ever seen has windows only above the level of the desks.

Windows are irrelevant. Look at the footage.

QuoteThird, the more supportive structure you have over you in any event that's likely to dislodge chunks of the structure, the better. (This also applies to earthquakes, where doorways are generally a good place to be since they are more heavily built than other sections of walls in conventional construction, and things like tornadoes, where under a desk or a table is preferable if you don't have a room solid enough to hide in, and, obviously, under a desk or table in a really solid room is best.)

The LAST thing you're worried about in this case is stuff falling on you! Besides, check the footage: the houses further from the blast had roofs intact but sides blown in!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 12, 2014, 10:22:30 AM
And now there's Phil Stilwell here:

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Notice how he pulls out every statist tactic in the book while claiming to be on our side. The conversation goes pretty much as predicted.

I lost it when he explained away the rape of prisoners by guards to make it not count.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 12, 2014, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 12, 2014, 10:22:30 AM
And now there's Phil Stilwell here:

[yt]Nv881KOdMD4[/yt]

Notice how he pulls out every statist tactic in the book while claiming to be on our side. The conversation goes pretty much as predicted.

I lost it when he explained away the rape of prisoners by guards to make it not count.
And of course, the usual, "Now I'm just trying to be your friend/I'm just neutral here." rriiiiight.  Like the creationists who start out with, "Now, I'm not a creationist, but..." on your anti-creationism videos.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 13, 2014, 12:23:08 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 13, 2014, 06:03:26 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10442541_650326588393732_5287028502273352369_n.png)
And neither are you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 13, 2014, 06:10:40 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 13, 2014, 06:03:26 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10442541_650326588393732_5287028502273352369_n.png)
And neither are you.
Good grief.  So lady, how about we stop the bogus funding of loans or even better, just get govco out of the education business.  That way the price goes down thus eliminating the need for these stupid loans to begin with...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 13, 2014, 06:52:49 PM
Quote from: D on June 11, 2014, 08:39:14 PM
Really? This (http://www.commondreams.org/further/2014/06/10) is considered a solution for school shootings?

Let's look at this shall we?

(http://www.commondreams.org/sites/commondreams.org/files/imce-images/body_bigger_enhanced-21958-1402348323-8.jpg)

Okay, so look at these "blankets." They barely look big enough to be a beach towel, let alone enough to cover a kid to prevent them from getting shot. Secondly, how the fuck would this stop a guy from shooting these kids even if these blankets were actually big enough to cover them? What would prevent a psychopath from just taking the blanket off of them and shooting them? Thirdly,do you not trust teachers with guns that badly that you'd rather have kids hide in a shell like a turtle?

Fucking dumb.

wasn't mass shootings even more infrequent prior to the 70s?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 13, 2014, 10:24:34 PM
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its old but ai yai yai

plenty of fail in the comments as well.

Jesus Christ Is The Almighty Creator † King James Bible Colossians Chapter One (long isn't it) says.

QuoteKent Hovind truly shows the impossibility and foolishness of evolution imaginings.
Excellent and entertaining! \0/
Like his humor too! TRUTH LIVES!!!

and the people who gave him 70+ thumbs up

MG42pillbox
QuoteIm sorry but evolutionists have to be the saddest people on earth. To live such a fanatically religious lifestyle as to believe in brainwashed anti-science those of which completely violate all the laws of thermodynamics, in an open or closed system is beyond gullible. "macro-evolution" is anti-reality. This is why atheists are not even sure if they exist. Please wake up zombie America, maybe its not to late for you.

and the people who gave him 40+ thumbs up

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 14, 2014, 12:15:03 AM
Quote from: Skm1091 on June 13, 2014, 10:24:34 PM
[yt]CbqNIbjcv_w[/yt]

its old but ai yai yai

plenty of fail in the comments as well.

Jesus Christ Is The Almighty Creator † King James Bible Colossians Chapter One (long isn't it) says.

and the people who gave him 70+ thumbs up

MG42pillbox
and the people who gave him 40+ thumbs up
Didn't this guy go to jail for fruad?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 14, 2014, 01:26:12 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 14, 2014, 12:15:03 AM
Didn't this guy go to jail for fruad?

tax fraud IIRC, yes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 14, 2014, 08:35:38 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 14, 2014, 01:26:12 AM
tax fraud IIRC, yes.

Just like Al Capone.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 15, 2014, 08:50:52 AM
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5827098/
Quote from: an arrogant fucktardSo, I need to have a serious discussion with those of you whom actually have the capacity for critical thinking.

When you guys go into a library, you know how it's considered part of the rules to not make a loud ruckus, and generally be polite and quiet, right? How about when you're at a restaurant- It's considered rather rude to be flinging your food at others, correct?
What about going to a movie theatre? Everyone knows that talking loudly is something frowned upon, correct?

Okay, let's get a bit more nitty-gritty.
When you're on the road, you know better than to try to sideswipe someone for cutting you off, as it's against the law.
When you're in a movie theatre, you know it's illegal to shout FIRE! when in the middle of watching a movie, yes?
What about getting pulled over, and attempting to tell the cop "Well, I didn't know speeding was against the law!" and expecting to be given a free ride?

There's a lot of this going around on FA here.
People are not reading the rules, and then when they get slammed by the admins or warned of their actions being a violation of the AUP, the Code of Conduct (CoC) or otherwise, they actually lash out against them, making the excuse of

"Well, if you're going to report me, what about everyone else on the site getting away with it?"

And this? This statement right here? It's the pinnacle of arrogance; You consented and agreed to the rules, AUP, CoC, and all that pertained to this site. You've NO excuse for such rudeness, or plea that just because there are others "getting away with it" that you should be allowed to ignore the rules.

You agree to the laws of your country/state/nation because they are the rules of that area, because you know they are there to ensure activites are kept within merit. You AGREED to the laws of this site because they are the laws of this site, and if you didn't, you shouldn't be so arrogant as to assume that you shouldn't be punished for violating said laws.

I am so irate about this right now, and it's a very BIG aspect of my daily life. So what're your thoughts on this matter?
Because calling out special pleading is just total arrogance right? Because we all know the "social contract" would totally hold up court if a private body tried to pull that shit, right? Fuck you OP.
And as a side note, I never understood the massive EULAs and how those are even considered a legit thing...I mean, last I checked, a contract (a legit one anyways) requires a meeting of the minds...and yet even the companies themselves know (as evidenced by #3 on this list http://www.cracked.com/article_19162_6-hilarious-ways-game-designers-are-screwing-with-pirates_p2.html ) that no one reads those damn things...ditto for the agreements on sites like that, albeit to a lesser extent.

Interestingly enough, another comment from this guy: "Honestly it doesn't really matter much anyways: With skype, all communications through their client are routed to a server, where the NSA has free reign to search through at their leisure." (source: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5849153/ )  In light of the above comment, I've got my eyebrows raised as to how he knows that...And yeah, figures if that's true.  RIP: 4th Amendment.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 15, 2014, 03:57:24 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 15, 2014, 08:50:52 AM
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5827098/Because calling out special pleading is just total arrogance right? Because we all know the "social contract" would totally hold up court if a private body tried to pull that shit, right? Fuck you OP.
And as a side note, I never understood the massive EULAs and how those are even considered a legit thing...I mean, last I checked, a contract (a legit one anyways) requires a meeting of the minds...and yet even the companies themselves know (as evidenced by #3 on this list http://www.cracked.com/article_19162_6-hilarious-ways-game-designers-are-screwing-with-pirates_p2.html ) that no one reads those damn things...ditto for the agreements on sites like that, albeit to a lesser extent.

Interestingly enough, another comment from this guy: "Honestly it doesn't really matter much anyways: With skype, all communications through their client are routed to a server, where the NSA has free reign to search through at their leisure." (source: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5849153/ )  In light of the above comment, I've got my eyebrows raised as to how he knows that...And yeah, figures if that's true.  RIP: 4th Amendment.
Okay, so I got a reply, but from a bloke, "That's because its not true. He is either referring to his own paranoia or the Snowden files which listed Skype as a data collection point. The difference is that in the Snowden files they listed it as a forcible action, as they had tapped into the system at points to capture data, rather than the data being made accessible to them. Anyone can capture data but skype, like most any good IM client encrypts its data, therefore it becomes considerably harder to determine the contents and takes quite a bit of cpu cycles to get it, on the order of not being worth it unless they want to arrest you for something and need evidence or suspect you of terrorism.

However, and here is the big however, Skype, being owned by Microsoft, must comply to US law and as such states in it's own ULA, "Skype will retain your information for as long as is necessary to: (1) fulfill any of the Purposes (as defined in article 2 of this Privacy Policy) or (2) comply with applicable legislation, regulatory requests and relevant orders from competent courts." This means it has both the power and ability to decrypt the messages itself, and will do so if pushed by a warrant or other legally required means to produce ot intercept chat/video/file sessions. It may also randomly decrypt data in order to check message and system quality, though this is usually performed by an automated computer system and no one ever really sees it. This is true of ANY major IM service that is U.S. based, as it is unlawful to refuse the government's lawful request for such data, the same as if you refused to hand over evidence in a murder trial. Refusal of such a request can cause jailtime, financial fines, and/or closure of business, as breaking the law often has many consequences.

Anyway, those are extreme examples and seldom used, mainly due to the complication and paperwork pile necessary to grant them.

TLDR; So keep using skype, none of us are important enough for anyone to listen in. ;)"
Very interesting.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on June 16, 2014, 12:53:15 AM
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I got this in the same thread that Shane started in my google plus comment notification

Rio8D says

QuoteWow you're a fucking idiot. Who were the victims stabbed!? Oh, that's right, they were his room-mates. Also, strict gun laws are not suppose to stop gun violence but rather lower the rate at which it is committed. As a result of California's strict gun laws only 3 people died from firearms.

Edit: Sorry forgot to also mention that the flaws in the gun laws. The shooter was able to attain guns even though he clearly had mental issues. His family even reported the shooter to the cops, but nothing was done about it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 16, 2014, 12:08:09 PM
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/s526x395/10463046_652418254851232_6095899799942142335_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on June 16, 2014, 01:08:22 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 16, 2014, 12:08:09 PM
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/s526x395/10463046_652418254851232_6095899799942142335_n.jpg)

Ignoring the, well, ignorant assumption that the US has any sort of a free market for internet, the merger means nothing at the end of the day. The two companies did not compete within the same postal code.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 17, 2014, 04:08:50 AM
Dear God, the comments on this video are stupid.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 17, 2014, 12:12:08 PM
In my trolling of Tumblr, I found a link to this tweet (https://twitter.com/chiefelk/status/429803284917157890):
QuoteRape kits were developed to medicalize & quantify sexual violence, & we have a national backlog of 500,000+. #BelieveSurvivors
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 17, 2014, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: D on June 17, 2014, 12:12:08 PM
In my trolling of Tumblr, I found a link to this tweet (https://twitter.com/chiefelk/status/429803284917157890):

The statistic sounds correct, though.  Many of the larger cities in the US have 20-30 YEARS of backlogged rape kits still waiting for testing.  One prosecutor started trying to get movement on the backlog in her city, and when she finally did they discovered a number of previously unsuspected serial rapists, as well as actually solving a fair number of such cases (unfortunately, often after numerous other people were also harmed by these same individuals).

(Think about that backlog period.  Rape kits really only got started about 30 years ago.  That there are many that old that have never been tested shows that the police departments involved were never interested in seriously investigating these crimes.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 17, 2014, 06:49:41 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/s526x395/10448758_653361904756867_4623080942940211815_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 17, 2014, 07:40:21 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 17, 2014, 06:49:41 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/s526x395/10448758_653361904756867_4623080942940211815_n.jpg)

That is probably THE worst poster supporting democrats I've ever seen. I mean, they don't even take the effort to even remotely attempt to refute the points they brought up and just threw their own voting points in.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 17, 2014, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: D on June 17, 2014, 07:40:21 PM
That is probably THE worst poster supporting democrats I've ever seen. I mean, they don't even take the effort to even remotely attempt to refute the points they brought up and just threw their own voting points in.

because you can't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 17, 2014, 10:42:38 PM
(https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/s526x395/10455192_1502723049946211_7805513204618941583_n.jpg)
*sigh*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on June 17, 2014, 11:40:04 PM
[yt]mpuNbwysXQc[/yt]

"REAL" news no less!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 18, 2014, 09:05:21 AM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on June 17, 2014, 11:40:04 PM
[yt]mpuNbwysXQc[/yt]

"REAL" news no less!

The comments are fail as well, like: "Funny how Hayek's predictions about how socialists would cause democracy to fail, are almost exactly what the conservatives, plutocrats and libertarians are doing to cause democracy to fail." Yeah, right: put up roadblock after roadblock to Libertarians getting elected, and blame THEM when YOUR policies fail!

Or: "Because we aren't a democracy anymore, and our leadership has no accountability or legal restraints put on them. We also live in an era of record deregulation, so frankly this is pretty much the world Hayek had wet-dreams about. His view of 'freedom' doesn't much resemble what the average person in the street understands the word to mean." 1) Because yeah, that's TOTALLY what Hayek wanted (NOT!), and 2) DEREGULATION??? There are more regulations being created now than at any point in history!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 18, 2014, 09:32:43 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/tAQb6r1.png?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/Rg9orHL.png?1)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 18, 2014, 09:12:00 PM
Visit this site in Firefox: http://www.lisagraas.com/

You can't see it, and instead get:

(http://mycatholicconscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/mozillablocked.jpg)

Yeah, boy, she sure showed them, right? I mean, the Mozilla foundation is just quaking at the loss of all the visitors to her website, I'm sure.

(Meanwhile, she loses the ~20% of Firefox users who aren't seeing her site...)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 19, 2014, 03:19:24 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/10411927_654186718007719_5914494969923404424_n.png)
This excuses Obama how?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 19, 2014, 03:21:50 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10339951_654504277975963_2118710666130367338_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 19, 2014, 04:05:40 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 19, 2014, 03:21:50 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10339951_654504277975963_2118710666130367338_n.jpg)

Was he a time-traveler, too? It's already been established that he'd been planning the attack for MONTHS.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 19, 2014, 04:16:31 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 19, 2014, 04:05:40 PM
Was he a time-traveler, too? It's already been established that he'd been planning the attack for MONTHS.

Can I have a source for that? Just to read for myself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 19, 2014, 05:00:18 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 19, 2014, 04:16:31 PM
Can I have a source for that? Just to read for myself.

Here's one: http://www.npr.org/2012/09/16/161228170/consulate-attack-preplanned-libya-s-president-says

QuoteIn an exclusive interview with NPR in Benghazi, President Mohammed el-Megarif says foreigners infiltrated Libya over the past few months, planned the attack and used Libyans to carry it out.

Quote"The idea that this criminal and cowardly act was a spontaneous protest that just spun out of control is completely unfounded and preposterous," he says. "We firmly believe that this was a precalculated, preplanned attack that was carried out specifically to attack the U.S. Consulate."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 19, 2014, 05:08:42 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 19, 2014, 05:00:18 PM
Here's one: http://www.npr.org/2012/09/16/161228170/consulate-attack-preplanned-libya-s-president-says
Thank you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 19, 2014, 05:26:12 PM
Whoops, should've been in Fave quotes
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on June 19, 2014, 08:08:45 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 19, 2014, 03:21:50 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10339951_654504277975963_2118710666130367338_n.jpg)

Wow, our president was RIGHT!  Never mind his analysis was ad hoc and entirely devoid of context, but out of sheer dumb luck, he was RIGHT!
Democratic Underground just seriously lowered the bar.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 19, 2014, 08:47:43 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on June 19, 2014, 08:08:45 PM
Wow, our president was RIGHT!  Never mind his analysis was ad hoc and entirely devoid of context, but out of sheer dumb luck, he was RIGHT!
Democratic Underground just seriously lowered the bar.

What was he right about? Not the video thing, that's for sure...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on June 19, 2014, 09:49:32 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 19, 2014, 08:47:43 PM
What was he right about? Not the video thing, that's for sure...

I was being facetious.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 20, 2014, 10:02:56 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/563478_354476924668695_637066051_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 20, 2014, 11:14:53 AM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on June 20, 2014, 10:02:56 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/563478_354476924668695_637066051_n.jpg)

OK...I am going to have to call bullshit on the age.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 20, 2014, 12:14:47 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 20, 2014, 11:14:53 AM
OK...I am going to have to call bullshit on the age.
Especially when the oldest--verified--human lived to about 122 years old, according to Genius World Records:  http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/1/oldest-person-%28female%29
And even if it WAS true that Li Ching-Yuen loved that old: one data point does not, a trend make.  So double fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 20, 2014, 06:32:09 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 20, 2014, 11:14:53 AM
OK...I am going to have to call bullshit on the age.

That myth's been going around awhile. It's been as debunked as it can be. I think even the Guiness World Records people investigated it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 20, 2014, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 20, 2014, 06:32:09 PM
That myth's been going around awhile. It's been as debunked as it can be. I think even the Guiness World Records people investigated it.

I figured. I'm interested though in seeing how anyone would honestly think that a guy could live that long.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BogosityForumUser on June 20, 2014, 11:22:44 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 20, 2014, 07:39:51 PM
I figured. I'm interested though in seeing how anyone would honestly think that a guy could live that long.

Many people who would laugh at even the thought of that guy living anywhere near that age also think that Methuselah lived to 969, among other long-lived Biblical figures.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 21, 2014, 12:02:42 AM
Quote from: BogosityForumUser on June 20, 2014, 11:22:44 PM
Many people who would laugh at even the thought of that guy living anywhere near that age also think that Methuselah lived to 969, among other long-lived Biblical figures.

that makes even less sense: they'll disbelieve a guy living to be 256, but not a guy living to be 969?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 21, 2014, 01:56:49 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 21, 2014, 12:02:42 AM
that makes even less sense: they'll disbelieve a guy living to be 256, but not a guy living to be 969?
But there was more oxygen in those days.
(channeling my inner Kent Hovind.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on June 21, 2014, 03:02:31 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 21, 2014, 12:02:42 AM
that makes even less sense: they'll disbelieve a guy living to be 256, but not a guy living to be 969?

But back then, a year only averaged 8 months by our standards! (Because they went by the apparent position of the sun, moon and stars & a "day" was sunset to sunset. [why it wouldn't be sunrise to sunrise  :shrug: ]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 21, 2014, 10:20:15 AM
Quote from: BogosityForumUser on June 20, 2014, 11:22:44 PM
Many people who would laugh at even the thought of that guy living anywhere near that age also think that Methuselah lived to 969, among other long-lived Biblical figures.

Methuselah is, IIRC, one of the more obvious contradictions in the Bible as well.  He's stated as living to 969, his age when his son is born is given, the age his son was when Noah was born is given, and the age Noah was when he finished his storage crate (the word translated as 'ark' in this story is the exact same word translated as 'ark' in the phrase 'Ark of the Covenant' and denotes a box used to hold things, so Noah's ark was not a boat of any kind, just a big wooden box, which matches the description given perfectly) and God killed all humans except Noah, his wife, their three sons and their wives (note this specifically requires Methuselah to have died as well) us given as well, and when you do the addition Methuselah wasn't 969 yet when this happened.

How did this escape notice?  Well, the thing to keep in mind is that the people editing together the random selection of folk tales, nursery rhymes, poems, folk songs, ritual chants, etc. into what became the Torah weren't all that good at it.  There are numerous repetitions of things like the promising of Canaan to Israel, people abruptly have their names changed for no reason apparent inside the story (and almost certainly because the editors just mashed multiple stories together in a very crude fashion and barely noticed that the names weren't the same and that they repeated important events), versions of stories from different places or different periods were mashed together and were written to express different ideas about what aspects were important or what specifically was considered more sacred or more mystical at the time (say, Noah bringing in pairs of animals, but also bringing in seven of certain animals, or seven pairs of certain animals, and these decisions being made with reference to dietary rules that Noah couldn't possible know about because they aren't given until many centuries later according to the stories as written).

With all this editorial chaos going on, it's not surprising that nobody bothered doing the math to notice that even small sections of the text didn't make sense.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 21, 2014, 11:12:04 AM
When I showed mom these two articles:
http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/
http://evidencemag.com/clean-eating/

And her response in terms of clean eating was, "Oh, I was talking about what the Bible says--don't eat pork, don't eat the blood and organs.  God made us, so he should know what we should eat!"
*headdesk* 
She also thinks I'll "see the light and return to God" when I thin down.  Yeah, she can keep dreaming.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on June 21, 2014, 06:12:38 PM
Massive enviro-scare bogons here:

http://t.healthyliving.msn.com/health-wellness/men/sex/12-unhealthy-products-all-guys-should-avoid (http://t.healthyliving.msn.com/health-wellness/men/sex/12-unhealthy-products-all-guys-should-avoid)

Get your Free Bogons here!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 21, 2014, 06:25:37 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on June 21, 2014, 06:12:38 PM
Massive enviro-scare bogons here:

http://t.healthyliving.msn.com/health-wellness/men/sex/12-unhealthy-products-all-guys-should-avoid (http://t.healthyliving.msn.com/health-wellness/men/sex/12-unhealthy-products-all-guys-should-avoid)

Get your Free Bogons here!
I'll say! Hell, I stopped skimming as soon as I saw this: "#5: Nonorganic Food"
@The article's author:
http://academicsreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/AR_Organic-Marketing-Report_Print.pdf
Organic farming is a hoax to sell worse quality crops for a jacked up price by tugging people's heartstrings.  You've been duped, now stop throwing your money away on hippie, voodoo nonsense and start paying attention to REAL scientists like the late Norman Borlaugh who's work in agriculture is credited with saving a billion lives from starvation.  Can your dippy organic store claim that? I didn't think so.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 21, 2014, 09:15:35 PM
This is the top rated image on r/political humor right now:

(http://i.imgur.com/Z0mE7jV.jpg)

Except that libertarians want to get rid of the boot altogether, assuming that the boot represents the government.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 22, 2014, 09:52:18 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 21, 2014, 09:15:35 PM
This is the top rated image on r/political humor right now:

(http://i.imgur.com/Z0mE7jV.jpg)

Except that libertarians want to get rid of the boot altogether, assuming that the boot represents the government.
@The image's OP:  Projection so hard we could summon batman from the moon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 22, 2014, 10:25:01 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 21, 2014, 09:15:35 PM
This is the top rated image on r/political humor right now:

(http://i.imgur.com/Z0mE7jV.jpg)

Except that libertarians want to get rid of the boot altogether, assuming that the boot represents the government.

I actually decided to register on reddit just so I could comment on this. This was my reply (http://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/28qvdq/one_day_ill_own_this_boot/cidpsx2):

QuoteReplace "libertarians" with "statists" and this would actually be accurate.

Thing is, libertarians want to get rid of the boot. Statists assume that the boot would be better off on another foot. (The right foot is pushing down too hard? Let's try the left one!)

That comment recieved -11 karma. And these were the replies I recieved:

QuoteNo. They want to get rid of the state boot, while titanium plating the corporate boot on the other foot.

And:

Quoteno they don't. they don't want to get rid of it at all. they want to own it with the rest of the corporate fuckheads and grind anyone who speaks against big corporate into the dust.

Funny that these people agree that government tyranny is wrong, but they are more than willing to tolerate it if it protects them from "corporate tyranny," which does not exist. So they are willing to tolerate literal tyranny if it mean being protected from a hypothetical tyranny. And they say we're not living in reality?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 22, 2014, 11:19:58 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 22, 2014, 10:25:01 AM
I actually decided to register on reddit just so I could comment on this. This was my reply (http://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/28qvdq/one_day_ill_own_this_boot/cidpsx2):

That comment recieved -11 karma. And these were the replies I recieved:

And:

Funny that these people agree that government tyranny is wrong, but they are more than willing to tolerate it if it protects them from "corporate tyranny," which does not exist. So they are willing to tolerate literal tyranny if it mean being protected from a hypothetical tyranny. And they say we're not living in reality?
Mhm.  Yet more people who couldn't even be bothered to check a legal dictionary for the definition of corporation.  Pathetic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 23, 2014, 04:41:14 AM
(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/1902952_750676381633512_3271348902811409230_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 23, 2014, 11:02:36 AM
Quote from: tnu on June 23, 2014, 04:41:14 AM
(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/1902952_750676381633512_3271348902811409230_n.jpg)

that's funny: I'm noticing large intervals of time being present between "cause" and effect. Also, no mention of the cutting of spending, or the effects of Kennedy's tax cut (the economy did fine).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 23, 2014, 08:49:09 PM
"Deep down I know you anarcho-capitalist are all moderate conservatives. It'll come out eventually." -My Dad
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on June 23, 2014, 10:19:44 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on June 23, 2014, 08:49:09 PM
"Deep down I know you anarcho-capitalist are all moderate conservatives. It'll come out eventually." -My Dad

Well, in a way your Dad is correct: Most of us want YOU to decide what to do with your body, and property; WHILE most of us want YOU to decide what to do with your money.

That being said: I'm kinda tired of this thing where the male "has nothing to say" about his unborn child(ren). I recognize your right to an abortion, I recognize my responsibility (if I'm directly involved). I just don't want to PAY for your rights IF you are not going to allow ME to be involved.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 24, 2014, 12:36:03 AM
http://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/28vvet/never_again/cif4suk

Sweet Celestia! Now I remember why I left Reddit and quit arguing on the internet in the first place.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 24, 2014, 07:49:51 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10509594_769869013068586_6830595624256026558_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 24, 2014, 07:55:33 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 24, 2014, 07:49:51 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10509594_769869013068586_6830595624256026558_n.jpg)
Aaand, it was a fav quote right up until that last line...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 24, 2014, 10:06:05 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 24, 2014, 07:55:33 PM
Aaand, it was a fav quote right up until that last line...

Yeah, as I pointed out on Facebook, McVeigh and the Nazis were Catholics, and the 9/11 hijackers were Muslims.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 24, 2014, 10:34:04 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 24, 2014, 10:06:05 PM
Yeah, as I pointed out on Facebook, McVeigh and the Nazis were Catholics, and the 9/11 hijackers were Muslims.

Herod the Great was a Jew. And Back in World War II, the Japanese were Shinto and Buddhists. Pre-Communist Tibet was and is Buddhist (the more you know). The dude who shot Gandhi was a Hindu.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 25, 2014, 01:18:19 AM
heres something my aunt posted on fb

http://www.todaychristian.net/evolution-vs-god-nail-coffin-evolution-dead-science/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 25, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
New butthurt statist on this video, devourerofbabies:

[yt]4qMwdPBmrlQ[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 25, 2014, 07:16:45 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 25, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
New butthurt statist on this video, devourerofbabies:

[yt]4qMwdPBmrlQ[/yt]
So, a stateless society has a KING?!?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 25, 2014, 09:58:29 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 25, 2014, 05:57:46 PM
New butthurt statist on this video, devourerofbabies:

[yt]4qMwdPBmrlQ[/yt]
Dear God, this guy can't tell the difference between serfdom and indentured servitude.
And I guess social contracts are voluntary now.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 26, 2014, 08:12:20 AM
Personally don't give a shit about soccer, but at the same time this just seems obligatory.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10402510_655860827834850_3269546023582387188_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 26, 2014, 08:19:06 AM
Throwing this in as well. It's another one of those stupid "meant to make you feel better about yourself" pictures but instead of being something that's actually inspiring, it just comes off as excuse making and attempting to absolve you of your actions.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10262160_10152293566412819_2917444302926830996_n.jpg)

Seriously, has the person who come up with this never considered the possibility that maybe they're just an asshole?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FeatheredTerror on June 26, 2014, 03:36:52 PM
Quote from: D on June 26, 2014, 08:12:20 AM
Personally don't give a shit about soccer, but at the same time this just seems obligatory.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10402510_655860827834850_3269546023582387188_n.jpg)

What the hell? I knew Ann Coulter was an idiot, but I'm amazed even she would spout such a ridiculous non sequitur.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 26, 2014, 04:49:38 PM
QuoteIsn't anything against property and accompanying assets an entitlement to use force and violence to protect it? It is what the NAP is designed for! A kind of pseudo philosophy to protect what one claims as one's own and sod the rest...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 26, 2014, 06:29:54 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/p235x350/10505418_10152168082521674_1903770832333725510_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 26, 2014, 07:34:58 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 26, 2014, 06:29:54 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/p235x350/10505418_10152168082521674_1903770832333725510_n.jpg)
And how much money is it in keeping them in the hands of government?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 26, 2014, 07:43:39 PM
Quote from: FeatheredTerror on June 26, 2014, 03:36:52 PM
What the hell? I knew Ann Coulter was an idiot, but I'm amazed even she would spout such a ridiculous non sequitur.

I'm not. She's insane. I thought you would have caught that by now (along with the fact that she's an idiot).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 26, 2014, 11:29:23 PM
(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/s526x395/10491074_658442574248800_2702318027653313907_n.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 27, 2014, 08:24:37 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 26, 2014, 07:43:39 PM
I'm not. She's insane. I thought you would have caught that by now (along with the fact that she's an idiot).

Ann Coulter is merely the mirror image of Rachel Maddow.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 27, 2014, 08:32:03 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 26, 2014, 11:29:23 PM
(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/s526x395/10491074_658442574248800_2702318027653313907_n.png)
@People in MA--Enjoy your unemployment.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on June 27, 2014, 02:16:40 PM
[yt]ZUoAwhJnVTk[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 27, 2014, 03:06:37 PM
Quote from: VectorM on June 27, 2014, 02:16:40 PM
[yt]ZUoAwhJnVTk[/yt]

Wow. Well, at least statists, unlike creationists, actually come up with new arguments. Unfortunately, they're even STUPIDER than the arguments they used before...

BTW, anyone wanna play Spot the Logical Fallacy with that video? One big one right out in the open, staring you in the face and eating your popcorn!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 27, 2014, 03:42:21 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10502164_658553660904358_5016925269698161258_n.png)
And Racism card as usual.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 27, 2014, 09:59:03 PM
http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Good-Week-To-Be-A-Libertarian-463746821

At least three of my followers loved all of the news that I shared in this post except one. I want you all to guess which one they were opposed to:

QuoteJust this week, Utah has struck down its same-sex marriage ban, New York City has struck down Bloomberg's large soda ban, Florida has banned schools from suspending students for playing with their toaster pastries, and the U.S. Supreme court has ruled warrantless cell phone searches unconstitutional, and has slammed Obama's unconstitutional executive overreach for being, well, unconstitutional and overreaching.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on June 28, 2014, 11:15:48 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10463969_875157055844931_9186659466625589846_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on June 28, 2014, 12:12:40 PM
Quote from: tnu on June 28, 2014, 11:15:48 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10463969_875157055844931_9186659466625589846_n.jpg)

The guys with real phones would be laughing because the only person you can call with it doesn't even exist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on June 28, 2014, 08:51:25 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/4PGpEGp.png)
Seriously people?  Are you this dumb?  That BS ended in 1945, this is just petty.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 29, 2014, 02:56:02 AM
This is why I hate SJWs
http://tinycrown.tumblr.com/post/79040378192/why-kill-la-kill-is-bad-for-women-and-everyone-in
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 29, 2014, 07:41:08 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 29, 2014, 02:56:02 AM
This is why I hate SJWs
http://tinycrown.tumblr.com/post/79040378192/why-kill-la-kill-is-bad-for-women-and-everyone-in

With extra fail credit for the 4-point type.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 29, 2014, 10:34:48 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 29, 2014, 07:41:08 AM
With extra fail credit for the 4-point type.
^QFT.  Even *I* would need to zoom the text for that...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 29, 2014, 10:45:43 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 29, 2014, 02:56:02 AM
This is why I hate SJWs
http://tinycrown.tumblr.com/post/79040378192/why-kill-la-kill-is-bad-for-women-and-everyone-in

God damn! The text is so fucking small that even the ants can't see shit!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on June 29, 2014, 11:00:56 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/14796_10152218997387807_3194252755862064292_n.jpg)

Jesus Fucking Christ I WISH this wasn't real!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 29, 2014, 11:13:12 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on June 29, 2014, 11:00:56 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/14796_10152218997387807_3194252755862064292_n.jpg)

Jesus Fucking Christ I WISH this wasn't real!
THE FUCK?!?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FeatheredTerror on June 29, 2014, 11:27:04 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on June 29, 2014, 11:00:56 PM
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/14796_10152218997387807_3194252755862064292_n.jpg)

Jesus Fucking Christ I WISH this wasn't real!

Are you sure this isn't satire? Not that it would surprise me greatly if it wasn't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on June 29, 2014, 11:28:57 PM
Quote from: FeatheredTerror on June 29, 2014, 11:27:04 PM
Are you sure this isn't satire? Not that it would surprise me greatly if it wasn't.

Phew, okay it was joke:
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/anti-masturbation-cross
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 30, 2014, 11:49:45 AM
Martin Willett in this video's comments:

[yt]loaLxkbYkOA[/yt]

I mean, there's a lot of fail in the comments, but YIKES!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 30, 2014, 12:30:41 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 30, 2014, 11:49:45 AM
Martin Willett in this video's comments:

[yt]loaLxkbYkOA[/yt]

I mean, there's a lot of fail in the comments, but YIKES!
I'll say.  Yeah, the racists really came out of the woodwork to comment on that video, huh?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 30, 2014, 02:39:58 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 30, 2014, 11:49:45 AM
Martin Willett in this video's comments:

[yt]loaLxkbYkOA[/yt]

I mean, there's a lot of fail in the comments, but YIKES!

I heard an interview with a man identified as an Israeli counter-terrorism expert on CBC Radio One (gotta love them, they have fascinating people on for interviews all the time) who considered the airport security approach being used in North America to be rather comical.  He pointed out the in Israel, where there are far more terrorists who are far more likely to make a try at attacking a plane, they can still get you from the curbside to your plane in 20 minutes, while actually stopping attempted attacks.  He pointed out that the security checkpoints are the obvious terrorist targets in our airports, since they have an uncontrolled side and have a large group of people bunched up at them, making a perfect target for someone who wants to cause as much carnage as possible with a single action.  He reported that in Israel, they look at what people are doing, not what they're carrying, and observed that focusing on luggage is pointless.  He also pointed out that our habit of putting lots and lots of glass in our airports is very foolish, since any nearby explosion will turn it into flying daggers.  (Well, if it's tempered glass the fragments won't be sharp, but fragments moving at high speed because of being very close to an explosion don't need to be sharp to inflict severe injuries.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 30, 2014, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 30, 2014, 11:49:45 AM
Martin Willett in this video's comments:

[yt]loaLxkbYkOA[/yt]

I mean, there's a lot of fail in the comments, but YIKES!

Oh, that guy? yeah, I remember him from Richard Coughlan's videos about him. He's a very disgusting human being.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on June 30, 2014, 05:51:08 PM
[yt]0ptiUhtcp2Q[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 30, 2014, 05:55:43 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 30, 2014, 04:01:44 PM
Oh, that guy? yeah, I remember him from Richard Coughlan's videos about him. He's a very disgusting human being.

Really? I missed that. Are those videos still available, or did they die the death with the Coughlan666 channel?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 30, 2014, 06:37:45 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 30, 2014, 05:55:43 PM
Really? I missed that. Are those videos still available, or did they die the death with the Coughlan666 channel?

No idea really: haven't been keeping track. But yeah, it all started with that Enoch Powell speech thing, then it just went from there. towards the end Coughlan was just tearing into the guy and him begging to stop because he hasn't the time for it (since he has a wife and shit)--he's a damned coward, like all his ilk.

EDIT: OK, went and searched, and didn't find it: so I guess it did die the death.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 01, 2014, 10:56:35 AM
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*sigh*
I'm sensing some projection here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 01, 2014, 11:08:25 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 01, 2014, 10:56:35 AM
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*sigh*
I'm sensing some projection here.
Yet from these people do we hear a single word against the government policy that makes HMOs and employer provided health insurance such big things? Or about how before govco's involvement you could, even as a poor person, get an entire year's worth of medical insurance and care for only a day's wage if you shopped around via the mutual aid societies? No!  Not.  One.  Word! >:(
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 01, 2014, 03:18:02 PM
Takei's back. The Title alone is fail.
http://www.allegiancemusical.com/blog-entry/hobby-lobby-aint-church-its-profit-business
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 02, 2014, 03:34:20 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on July 02, 2014, 07:17:11 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 02, 2014, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 02, 2014, 03:34:20 PM
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so it was shot down?

party!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 04, 2014, 01:54:52 PM
I really hate this shirt.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 04, 2014, 10:52:38 PM
    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comicsandcosplay/comics/critical-miss/11851-Flat-Earth-Birth-Control?fb_comment_id=fbc_888539087843385_888794677817826_888794677817826#fdf7018ebd802a  Wow, even the posters at escapist aren't on board with this level of SJW insanity
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on July 06, 2014, 09:54:18 PM
Well Shane (aka MrBogosity) I just posted your Racial Profiling video to I-Am-Bored and here's the response.
http://www.i-am-bored.com/forums.asp?action=read&ct=10&q_id=100151&read_page=1
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 06, 2014, 10:04:40 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on July 06, 2014, 09:54:18 PM
Well Shane (aka MrBogosity) I just posted your Racial Profiling video to I-Am-Bored and here's the response.
http://www.i-am-bored.com/forums.asp?action=read&ct=10&q_id=100151&read_page=1
From that link:  "The reason profiling and stereotyping is not politically correct is because IT WORKS. (if it didn't work, they wouldn't bother using it.)"
Yup.  Stopped reading the posts right after that shitstain.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 06, 2014, 11:04:35 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 06, 2014, 10:04:40 PM
From that link:  "The reason profiling and stereotyping is not politically correct is because IT WORKS. (if it didn't work, they wouldn't bother using it.)"
Yup.  Stopped reading the posts right after that shitstain.

I do not recall Shane stating that it was or wasn't politically correct in the video...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on July 06, 2014, 11:45:08 PM
Now their argument is going along the lines of "which demographic is more likely to produce a terrorist?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 07, 2014, 12:29:26 AM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on July 06, 2014, 11:45:08 PM
Now their argument is going along the lines of "which demographic is more likely to produce a terrorist?"

they should get this answer: none really: it depends on the target and location. there are domestic and foreign terrorists who are Christian (who I see few talk about), as well as Muslim ones, Jewish ones (yes, they exist), Hindu ones, etc. They even come in political flavors: Communists, socialists, Conservatives, Anarchists, PETA activists, etc. This ignores nationalists, ethnic terrorists, etc.

added to that (since we're talking about one group): statistically, a Muslim Arab or Afghani has more to fear than your Average American, from your Average American. I'm in more of a trouble than this asshole will EVER be--let that sink in. yet you do not see me calling for the profiling of "American looking" or "European Looking" people--even if we assume they are the most likely to kill my people (and they aren't: other Arab or Afghani Muslims are).

finally they should just remember one thing: how do you spot a Muslim? I'll tell you now: my dad could right now literally if he wanted, go right through an airport security station, and no one would know he is a Muslim: dirty blonde hair, hazel colored eyes, slightly ruddy complexion, but other than a strong Arabic accent, indistinguishable from a central European. And he wears western clothing. suppose he wanted to blow a plane up (he won't: he's not depraved, like your average terrorist). what then? suppose I wanted to? I don't even have an accent, so there's even less of a reason to suspect me. And our names and surnames are both rare, and to a lot of people don't sound "Arabic" (and in fact, one guy asked if I was--get this--Polish. I humored him, so as to not waste time getting my junk grabbed)

in fact, the Israelis have the right idea about this--yeah, I'm using those assholes as an example of what you ought to do: they don't care what you look like (and it helps that we practically look the same). they do care how you act: body language, how you treat your luggage, tells, etc, are on their list for the how to for spotting anyone who wants to cause trouble. And, get this: they actually went on record to criticize the methods suggested by idiots like him and that cunt Same Harris, who clearly took a page out of Julius Streicher's handbook.

EDIT: not that I favor warrant less searches, but at least with the Israelis, one could ague there's probable cause. Which, again, says something about the logic of these people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 07, 2014, 08:53:12 AM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on July 06, 2014, 09:54:18 PM
Well Shane (aka MrBogosity) I just posted your Racial Profiling video to I-Am-Bored and here's the response.
http://www.i-am-bored.com/forums.asp?action=read&ct=10&q_id=100151&read_page=1

And yet again, everyone forgets the prior and just focuses on the LR.

Unrelated note: why are the posts in reverse-chronological order? Makes it very distracting to read.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 07, 2014, 12:37:57 PM
http://valleywag.gawker.com/larry-page-says-when-machines-take-our-jobs-itll-feel-1601133907 (http://valleywag.gawker.com/larry-page-says-when-machines-take-our-jobs-itll-feel-1601133907)

Good grief! This article and the comments reek of the trite "machines create unemployement" fallacy. Don't these idiots realize that this arguement has already been debunked more than 50 years ago?

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 07, 2014, 01:29:01 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 07, 2014, 12:37:57 PM
http://valleywag.gawker.com/larry-page-says-when-machines-take-our-jobs-itll-feel-1601133907 (http://valleywag.gawker.com/larry-page-says-when-machines-take-our-jobs-itll-feel-1601133907)

Good grief! This article and the comments reek of the trite "machines create unemployement" fallacy. Don't these idiots realize that this arguement has already been debunked more than 50 years ago?

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More than 100 years ago IIRC.  Bastiat ftw. :3
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on July 07, 2014, 10:48:03 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 07, 2014, 08:53:12 AM
And yet again, everyone forgets the prior and just focuses on the LR.

Unrelated note: why are the posts in reverse-chronological order? Makes it very distracting to read.

That's probably how it was designed, I've been chatting there since 2010, I'm used to it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on July 07, 2014, 11:18:58 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 07, 2014, 12:29:26 AM
... And, get this: they actually went on record to criticize the methods suggested by idiots like him and that cunt Same Harris, who clearly took a page out of Julius Streicher's handbook.

EDIT: not that I favor warrant less searches, but at least with the Israelis, one could ague there's probable cause. Which, again, says something about the logic of these people.

Where is this video/article?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 08, 2014, 01:21:12 AM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on July 07, 2014, 11:18:58 PM
Where is this video/article?


as mentioned, they were critisizing methods, not the person himself (just being clear here, in case I wasn't. That part afterwards was my opinion of his proposals and reasoning for such). Sources? here:

http://skift.com/2013/11/15/tsas-behavioral-detection-techniques-are-worthless-says-former-el-al-security-director/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/23/airport-security_n_4494308.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/25/it-was-posted-on-a-humor-site-but-this-serious-takedown-of-the-tsa-is-blistering/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/25/it-was-posted-on-a-humor-site-but-this-serious-takedown-of-the-tsa-is-blistering/

and for a lighthearted version (by the same guy):

http://www.cracked.com/blog/7-reasons-tsa-sucks-a-security-experts-perspective/

it isn't direct, but they make it clear: they don't care what you look like, your religion, or what you carry, but what you do. I think Mr. Sela's quote in the third link is the most telling:

Quote"Security needs to be done due to risk — and risk means that in Israel we don't check luggage, we check people. And I'm not talking about racial profiling here; that's a product of poor training. Regardless of race or creed, people with bombs strapped to their body behave in similar ways," Sela said.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 08, 2014, 01:57:00 PM
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5915509/
On one hand, glad to see another furry who at least seems to lean towards anarcho capitalism.  Ditto for Maximus-Ursus (a friend of his).  *happy dance!* :D

But still, fail for seriously using Stef's analysis of Frozen as a justification for that.  It probably just means poor writing on part of the authors of the movie.  Also, what he's criticizing is a SEXUAL fantasy.  Since when does a sexual fantasy need tons of story/being based the rules of reality, etc?  Gimme a freakin' break, bro.

Also a bit ironic considering his fursona has a physique that would, in real life, require ideal bodybuilding genetics and injects of various steroids, growth hormone, insulin & IGF-1, thyroid hormone, and various muscle volumizers like Esiclene & Synthol and not to mention implants, as well as amazing anthropometry (such as a very high muscle to tendon length ratio and very high shoulder to hip bone ratio and a symmetrical figure with biceps that have a very large peak), etc to even be feasible in real life.  All this in addition to a good decade or two of training.  I guess hitting the genetic and drug lottery are 'feminizing' too...*shrugs*

He and others can bitch and moan about "HARD WORK!" but the fact of the matter is, most genetically typical trainees, even a decade of trying will NEVER be able to legitimately bench 300 pounds, as Casey Butt put it here:  http://www.weightrainer.net/training/rules.html (near the end of rule 17)

As did Menno here:  http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/re-predicting-your-muscular-potential/
and here:  http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/bodybuilding-vs-aesthetics/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 08, 2014, 05:11:40 PM
Joe Rogan's fans are morons. The comments are so stupid.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 08, 2014, 05:25:34 PM
There was a guy on one of Shane's videos saying, "All economic theories rest on oil." I'd LOVE to see him actually support this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 09, 2014, 09:42:41 AM
Not a major fail.  It's probably not even a fail.  But I asked Jason Fennec about his thoughts on Stef's psychology stuff, noting that I don't like when the latter goes into Social Conservative mode. (full link to the conversation here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihkp3itmpd8 it's the top thread with Jason Fennec).

This was the response I got:

"1) Your understanding of psychology is about 90 years out of date.  Psychoanalysis is an obsolete pseudoscience with about as much merit as Marxism.  The current state of psychology is cognitive behavioralism and neuropsychology.  For somebody who values empiricism so much, you seem quite fond of unfalsifiable abstractions like the "ego" or the pseudosciecne of dream interpretation.

2) Your logical positivist philosophy is also about 90 years out of date.  The Verification Principle, upon which your epistemology is obviously based, comes from the Vienna Circle.  The Verification Principle states that a statement is meaningful only if it is either empirically verifiable or else tautological (i.e., such that its truth arises entirely from the meanings of its terms).

When one realizes that the Verification Principle is itself neither empirically nor tautological verifiable, it utterly self destructs, completely eviscerating both your UPB argument and most of the arguments in this video.  This is also why modern scientists DO NOT use verification as part of their scientific method but, instead, use falsification and corroboration to determine contingent truth.  You may wish to read Carl Popper's /The Logic of Scientific Discovery/ and his critiques of both Marxism and Psychoanalysis.  The fallacies of both Marx and Freud are remarkably similar.

3) You continually conflate the current philosophy of science with the lunacy of postmodernism (a strictly aesthetic philosophy), mostly because you do not understand the influence Carl Popper had on modern scientific reasoning.  In science, a theory must be able to make falsifiable predictions that can be tested.  Because theories are abstractions, we never test them for absolute truth, but for absolute falsity.  If a theory, such as "a god made everything", cannot make testable predictions, then it is not scientific and cannot be discussed in scientific terms, but must be relegated into the philosophy of metaphysics, where knowledge is speculated, not contingently determined as truthful. 

Thus, when an agnostic says, "you cannot say that their is no god", he or she is being accurate, because the statement "a god exists" cannot be used to derive testable predictions.  Unless you falsify a statement, you cannot say it is false.  To do otherwise would be an absurdity.

4) The observable universe is entirety deterministic and has never been observed to be otherwise.  In fact, if you make the positive statement "God or gods do not exist", then you have no choice but to accept a deterministic universe, based entirely on causality and universal laws. 

Since humans came from a deterministic universe they must also be deterministic in nature.  To say otherwise, without strong evidence, is special pleading (Free Will is called "The Little Gods Hypothesis" for a reason).  Even worse for your position is the fact that Free Will has been falsified via fMRI studies that show people deciding what they are going to do before they become conscious of the choices they have made!  If decision making is a subconscious activity, not a conscious one, then our conscious mind is merely an observer that has the mistaken belief that it is somehow in charge of all the choices we ever make.  In fact, that is exactly what modern psychology tells us. 

5) You continually conflate epistemic questions with ethical questions.  The different branches of philosophy are each conducted differently in their own way and their respective methods not necessarily compatible.  Ethics is the calculus of behavior, with the goal of a moral outcome.  Ethical questions are not solved empirically, but rationally, similar to math.  You keep making this error largely because your do not understand the evolutionary origins of human morality, and how this relates to our being a social species. 

6) Calling people who disagree with your out-of-date scientific understanding and self-destructing philosophy "cowards" is so childishly arrogant that it could only be described as sophomoric.  Your vain indulgence in false expertise makes subscribing to you an embarrassment for your more learned listeners.  Please get over yourself."
And here be my response to that:

""When one realizes that the Verification Principle is itself neither empirically nor tautological verifiable, it utterly self destructs, completely eviscerating both your UPB argument and most of the arguments in this video." How does the VP relate to his UPB?  I found Hawkeye's explanation of UPB to be pretty solid.

"Thus, when an agnostic says, "you cannot say that their is no god", he or she is being accurate, because the statement "a god exists" cannot be used to derive testable predictions.  Unless you falsify a statement, you cannot say it is false.  To do otherwise would be an absurdity."
Sounds like an attempt to shift the burden of proof/forgetting the null hypothesis.

"4) The observable universe is entirety deterministic and has never been observed to be otherwise."
Actually no.  Quantum Mechanics, e.g. the Double Slit experiment and the Casimir effect being being empirical/observed examples of non-deterministic, probabilistic nature.
As for free will, I like Hawkeye and Stef's thoughts on that.  If I don't have free will, I can't be said to be responsible for my actions because I didn't "decide" or "will" them.  So holding a person responsible for them is--through actions--saying/agreeing that they have free will.  Even if it's not 100% true, it's close enough. As Hawkeye says, If it's true, then you can come reasonable close to predicting human behavior like, say, in a market, with near 100% accuracy like we can the motion of planets and stars or other physical systems.  Hasn't happened.  Then there's the issue of quantum mechanics and our brains being biochemcial computers operating at that probabilistic level.

As for what I think Stef does right...I found his proof of property rights to be bulletproof.  Same for his thoughts showing that, morality kinda has to be objective.  i.e. stealing both affirms and dis-affirms property rights, murder the right to life and slavery right to liberty, etc. "But I disagree because..." while using your free will to say so and your computer/own body/life/etc.  And you do seem to agree with the idea of self detonating statements, if only a little, based on the comments about "self destructing philosophy".  Though it could be something else.  Maybe.  Self detonating statements ftw.  How could it get more solid than that?"

Or at least it *would* have been my response, but to avoid yet another pointless flame war like the one in the thread linked below, I'd just change it to:
"Interesting.  Though I was going more for specific subjects of psychology that he got wrong (e.g. his thoughts on Frozen or other media, his thoughts on child abuse as it relates to society, his thoughts on how promiscuity can be/is bad, etc), rather than methodology, but sure, that works too. :P"
Bah, I've only been up for an hour.  So too early for me. X_X

So is there any truth to this "falsifying free will" stuff? And much of the stuff he talks about regarding verification/falsification, as before when he and Shane had that huge debate still strikes me as jargony gobbledygook that he doesn't know well enough to explain in a way that makes sense.  I consider myself fairly smart, so if I can't get it, chances are, it's a problem with the person explaining it.  As Shane and him might as well have been speaking in Chinese in that old thread here: https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=579.0 (back when he was going by Ex_Nihil0) regarding falsification/philosophy/postmodernism/[insert either never or poorly defined bollocks here] and I would have understood just as much.  I've always thought it my fault if I didn't understand something growing up, but after 26 years on this rock, I've realized that if I honestly can't understand it, smart as I am, especially after asking/inquiring, then the person explaining it likely doesn't know it well enough to be able to explain it good or worse, knows that they're full of crap and is trying to mount a bluff.  It is what it is.  Ditto for the wiki/link Shane PMed me during that time on the subject.  It's like, guys.  If you can't explain the stuff in a way that makes sense, especially to someone who is not a pillock to begin with, then you most likely don't understand it well enough to be able to make the judgements that you are.  Simple.

And yeah, when I saw he talk about that stuff I was thinking. "Seriously dude? You're STILL banging on about this crap?"  Yeah, I'm usually pretty good with abstract/hard to understand subjects, so when I call something gobbledygook, you can take that to the bank.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 09, 2014, 10:29:28 AM
[Quoting Fennec, not Travis]

Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 09, 2014, 09:42:41 AMIn science, a theory must be able to make falsifiable predictions that can be tested.  Because theories are abstractions, we never test them for absolute truth, but for absolute falsity.

As a Bayesian, I reject this. While I'm absolutely with Popper on the importance of falsification, it's impossible to test a theory for absolute falsity. Even if the test results falsify the hypothesis, if nothing else, you can never be absolutely 100% sure that you did the test right.

QuoteThe observable universe is entirety deterministic and has never been observed to be otherwise.

This just isn't true. Quantum mechanics shows determinism to be an illusion. The universe is probabilistic, not deterministic, as determined by observing the behavior of elementary particles. But as larger structures of atoms and molecules are made, the probabilities converge on either 0 or 100%, and the universe APPEARS deterministic.

QuoteEven worse for your position is the fact that Free Will has been falsified via fMRI studies that show people deciding what they are going to do before they become conscious of the choices they have made!

People who make this statement don't understand Free Will; they're arguing against a strawman. Free Will is NOT contingent on me making the decision consciously; my subconscious mind is as much me as my conscious mind is. Which is ironic, since I strongly suspect this person would reject dualism, yet here he is making an argument that seemingly depends on it!

[Now quoting Travis]

QuoteI found Hawkeye's explanation of UPB to be pretty solid.

And if his isn't, Harry Browne's certainly is!

QuoteSounds like an attempt to shift the burden of proof/forgetting the null hypothesis.

It's also an Argument from Incredulity: just because he can't think of a test to determine whether or not god exists doesn't mean that no one ever will! And yes, the burden of coming up with such a test is absolutely on the believer.

QuoteIf I don't have free will, I can't be said to be responsible for my actions because I didn't "decide" or "will" them.  So holding a person responsible for them is--through actions--saying/agreeing that they have free will.  Even if it's not 100% true, it's close enough. As Hawkeye says, If it's true, then you can come reasonable close to predicting human behavior like, say, in a market, with near 100% accuracy like we can the motion of planets and stars or other physical systems.  Hasn't happened.  Then there's the issue of quantum mechanics and our brains being biochemcial computers operating at that probabilistic level.

My belief (and, if I understand it correctly, yours and Hawkeye's) would more closely be considered compatabilist (an option he seems to be ignoring). The whole idea of coming up with a scientific model is so we can overlay it on a part of the universe and use it to explain what's going on and make predictions about it. Free will absolutely works as such a model, even if what's going on is technically something else.

This reminds me of the people who get all uppity about there being no such thing as centrifugal force. Yes, the "force" behind it is just inertia, but when you're trying to resolve physical equations in a rotating reference frame you HAVE to come up with a centrifugal component!

I think the whole determinism argument is self-defeating anyway. Should we punish someone for a crime when he doesn't have free will? Well, if we do punish him, that wasn't OUR choice, because WE don't have free will! The whole concept, as far as I can see, is completely useless.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 09, 2014, 10:34:49 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 09, 2014, 10:29:28 AM
I think the whole determinism argument is self-defeating anyway. Should we punish someone for a crime when he doesn't have free will? Well, if we do punish him, that wasn't OUR choice, because WE don't have free will! The whole concept, as far as I can see, is completely useless.

For starters, thank you for your input. :)  Also, the quoted bit was more or less my thoughts on it too.  Thanks. :)
And yeah, it seems Bayesian thinking eludes yet another skeptic.  As absolute certainty would be a probability of 1 and absolute falsity would be a probably of 0.  Which is not allowed.  But yeah, as you yourself have said, the human brain just doesn't seem to be wired to easily understand things like probability and statistics (granted, the public schools aren't helping much in that regard, but I digress).  And yeah,  you've got me curious, what did Harry Browne have to say on this matter of morality?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 09, 2014, 12:28:05 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 09, 2014, 10:34:49 AMAnd yeah, it seems Bayesian thinking eludes yet another skeptic.

Skimming through that old thread, I'm not really sure he's a skeptic.

QuoteAnd yeah,  you've got me curious, what did Harry Browne have to say on this matter of morality?

He over and over again made the case for (for example) how it's objectively better to be an honest person, even if everyone around you is dishonest. He did it so often it's hard to find any one primary source for it, other than How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 09, 2014, 01:02:16 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 09, 2014, 12:28:05 PM
Skimming through that old thread, I'm not really sure he's a skeptic.
Wouldn't surprise me. :(

Quote from: MrBogosity on July 09, 2014, 12:28:05 PM
He over and over again made the case for (for example) how it's objectively better to be an honest person, even if everyone around you is dishonest. He did it so often it's hard to find any one primary source for it, other than How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World.
I really need to read that book. I haven't because, at least for the first several pages, it strikes me as very redundant/constantly repeating himself and old-man-esque speak.  Like he took a speech or two and tried making it into a book.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 09, 2014, 01:43:05 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 08, 2014, 05:25:34 PM
There was a guy on one of Shane's videos saying, "All economic theories rest on oil." I'd LOVE to see him actually support this.

Particularly since economics as a discipline goes back to well before oil was anything other than a damn nuisance.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 09, 2014, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 09, 2014, 12:28:05 PM
Skimming through that old thread, I'm not really sure he's a skeptic.

He over and over again made the case for (for example) how it's objectively better to be an honest person, even if everyone around you is dishonest. He did it so often it's hard to find any one primary source for it, other than How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World.
Weee, more fail-ish stuff from that thread:

"It is an inductive statement. We have always seen the universe to be deterministic. If you claim free will, you have the burden of proof because of previous observations. Intuition is not proof."  Um, hello? Quantum Mechanics? AKA, the most proven scientific theory second only to Evolution by Natural Selection?

"+Boromir Smith Imagination is where hunches come from.

But science doesn't work on hunches.  Every hunch has to be tested in order to be demonstrated.  That's how science works.  Once something has been demonstrated, the burden of proof shifts to those who deny or reject the claim. 

This isn't dogmatic.  You are confusing dogmatism with a mental algorithm.  In order for something to be dogmatic, you need unsubstantiated facts that cannot be questioned.  "
You mean like yours and ignoring quantum mechanics? Sheesh.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 09, 2014, 09:37:35 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 09, 2014, 10:29:28 AM
[Quoting Fennec, not Travis]

My belief (and, if I understand it correctly, yours and Hawkeye's) would more closely be considered compatabilist (an option he seems to be ignoring). The whole idea of coming up with a scientific model is so we can overlay it on a part of the universe and use it to explain what's going on and make predictions about it. Free will absolutely works as such a model, even if what's going on is technically something else.

This reminds me of the people who get all uppity about there being no such thing as centrifugal force. Yes, the "force" behind it is just inertia, but when you're trying to resolve physical equations in a rotating reference frame you HAVE to come up with a centrifugal component!

I think the whole determinism argument is self-defeating anyway. Should we punish someone for a crime when he doesn't have free will? Well, if we do punish him, that wasn't OUR choice, because WE don't have free will! The whole concept, as far as I can see, is completely useless.

Frankly, reading this, The most Fennec could get away with is occasionalism, rather than determinism. in that event, people have freedom of intention (if not total freedom of will), actual execution/manifestation/etc are controlled externally (usually by a god--doesn't have to be, but it usually is). this agent would act in a matter that appears deterministic, and may even be rationalistic, but is not.

but yeah, this is a waste of time arguing over.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 10, 2014, 12:13:18 AM
http://comments.deviantart.com/1/262776938/3523195833 (http://comments.deviantart.com/1/262776938/3523195833)

I swear to Celestia this troll is incorrigible. His two main arguments are "No! You are wrong!" and "Google it!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 10, 2014, 12:43:40 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 10, 2014, 12:13:18 AM
http://comments.deviantart.com/1/262776938/3523195833 (http://comments.deviantart.com/1/262776938/3523195833)

I swear to Celestia this troll is incorrigible. His two main arguments are "No! You are wrong!" and "Google it!"
With a name like "SatanicSocialist" he might as well have called himself, "PayAttentionToMe!" or "IDoThisJustToPissOffMyParents"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 10, 2014, 01:17:52 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 10, 2014, 12:43:40 AM
With a name like "SatanicSocialist" he might as well have called himself, "PayAttentionToMe!" or "IDoThisJustToPissOffMyParents"

heh, frankly his handle has great lulz value: it's like saying "ArabicspeakingPalestinian" or "MittRomneyisamormon" or "dogsarewolves" or "assholeUSpresident" or "bluntGerman" or even 'AtheistSwede".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 10, 2014, 05:36:10 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10489909_333590656791399_3310547492187766704_n.jpg)
Considering our declawed cat was feral for a year before she adopted us, This is a damn insult to both.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 10, 2014, 09:14:50 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on July 09, 2014, 11:07:04 PM
[yt]EeqaRyrdcCY[/yt]

Bout time he had another one of these

I'm not understanding why you put this in Fail Quotes, though.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on July 10, 2014, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 10, 2014, 09:14:50 AM
I'm not understanding why you put this in Fail Quotes, though.

I meant to put this in fav quotes xD
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 10, 2014, 02:29:55 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on July 10, 2014, 12:01:26 PM
I meant to put this in fav quotes xD
S'okay.  It happens to all of us at some point.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 10, 2014, 03:17:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ItT2YSv.jpg)

My response in r/politicalhumor:

Sounds like a joke that Kim Jong Un would tell his kids. Rolls eyes.

For the record, libertarians are not against traffic laws or any laws for that matter. What we oppose are laws and rules and regulations that do more harm than good. The fact that the majority of laws in this country fall under that category--from laws prohibiting people from smoking a plant or drinking raw milk, to laws prohibiting children from opening lemonade stands or food trucks from operating near restaurants--gives the illusion that we oppose all laws. The law should not prevent you from doing anything unless your actions may hurt someone else. That's not really a libertarian position. That's simply common sense.

I know this comment is going to fall on deaf ears and be downvoted because people in this subreddit only want to address strawman arguments than actual arguments, which really shows who the real children are.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 10, 2014, 03:27:20 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 10, 2014, 03:17:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ItT2YSv.jpg)

My response in r/politicalhumor:

Sounds like a joke that Kim Jong Un would tell his kids. Rolls eyes.

For the record, libertarians are not against traffic laws or any laws for that matter. What we oppose are laws and rules and regulations that do more harm than good. The fact that the majority of laws in this country fall under that category--from laws prohibiting people from smoking a plant or drinking raw milk, to laws prohibiting children from opening lemonade stands or food trucks from operating near restaurants--gives the illusion that we oppose all laws. The law should not prevent you from doing anything unless your actions may hurt someone else. That's not really a libertarian position. That's simply common sense.

I know this comment is going to fall on deaf ears and be downvoted because people in this subreddit only want to address strawman arguments than actual arguments, which really shows who the real children are.
Child traumatizing and bullying--teh ebil when religious do it for their dogma, but teh awesome when statists do it for their agenda and dogma...
Also, he does know that libertarianism isn't about rules or whatever--hell, even dictionary.com will tell you that anarchy = without rulers; NOT without rules.  Big difference.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 11, 2014, 12:56:47 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/s526x395/1010484_623823990986397_520848752_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on July 11, 2014, 01:21:57 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 11, 2014, 12:56:47 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/s526x395/1010484_623823990986397_520848752_n.jpg)

What a coincidence! I don't like living in a country with stupid people either :T
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 11, 2014, 03:12:32 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 11, 2014, 12:56:47 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/s526x395/1010484_623823990986397_520848752_n.jpg)

well, that's funny Mr. Green. See, from living in this country 7 years, and it having more public schools than Kuwait (and better funded ones), I could have sworn the country is already overflowing with stupid people.

actually, let me add to that: any group of people processed through public schools tends to overflow with stupid individuals.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 11, 2014, 11:46:30 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 11, 2014, 03:12:32 AM
well, that's funny Mr. Green. See, from living in this country 7 years, and it having more public schools than Kuwait (and better funded ones), I could have sworn the country is already overflowing with stupid people.

actually, let me add to that: any group of people processed through public schools tends to overflow with stupid individuals.
"We need more government education!"
"Why?"
"We're a country of stupid people!"
"Who is in charge of the education?"
"The government!"
Sometimes, it really is that simple, people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FeatheredTerror on July 11, 2014, 02:10:02 PM
http://phys.org/news/2014-07-declassify-dinosaurs-great-great-grandparents-birds.html

For fuck's sake! When are the BANDits going to quit it? And of course all the "science" reporting outlets are gobbling this shit up without mentioning that the authors are part of a fringe group notorious for doing bad research.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 11, 2014, 02:44:15 PM
Quote from: FeatheredTerror on July 11, 2014, 02:10:02 PM
http://phys.org/news/2014-07-declassify-dinosaurs-great-great-grandparents-birds.html

For fuck's sake! When are the BANDits going to quit it? And of course all the "science" reporting outlets are gobbling this shit up without mentioning that the authors are part of a fringe group notorious for doing bad research.

Even if this were completely on the up-and-up, it would take a LOT more than this to refute the dino-bird link.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 11, 2014, 05:00:16 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 11, 2014, 12:56:47 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/s526x395/1010484_623823990986397_520848752_n.jpg)

And here's my deviation debunking it (http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/art/John-Green-Debunked-2-454309280):

(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/135/f/1/john_green_debunked_2_by_blamethe1st-d7ihfa8.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 11, 2014, 07:34:39 PM
Quote from: FeatheredTerror on July 11, 2014, 02:10:02 PM
http://phys.org/news/2014-07-declassify-dinosaurs-great-great-grandparents-birds.html

For fuck's sake! When are the BANDits going to quit it? And of course all the "science" reporting outlets are gobbling this shit up without mentioning that the authors are part of a fringe group notorious for doing bad research.

fuck.....

EDIT: hey, maybe you guys can do a segment on that next podcast--this is just way bullshit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 12, 2014, 04:03:52 PM
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/07/on-libertarianism.html (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/07/on-libertarianism.html)

Normally, I think we should stay away from the "no true libertarian" fallacy, but there clearly comes a time when someone clearly is not a libertarian and has no right calling themselves one. Case in point, Vox Day:

QuoteAll of my supposedly anti-libertarian positions are based on the idea of maximizing liberty in a society based on Western civilization. So, far from being anti-libertarian, I would argue that my National Libertarianism is more in keeping with the true concept of libertarianism than all the various dogmas that are libertarian in theory, but in practice have material consequences that are observably anti-human liberty.

The end may not justify the means, but the end is the only correct means of judging any social policy. Intentions and hypotheses and flights of fancy are all equally irrelevant. In the end, one can only look at the policy and decide: does this advance or detract from human liberty in this particular polity.

For the record, his anti-libertarian positions include opposing gay marriage, desegregation, female suffrage, and female education. In other words, he's all for liberty, but only for white heterosexual men.

Any self-respecting libertarian should support equality under the law. Every citizen should have the same legal rights as every one else. Any government that does not recognize equal rights for all is by its very nature tyrannical and totalitarian.

Also, "national libertarian"? Seriously? That's an oxymoron. Libertarianism is, by its nature, an individualist philosophy; nationalism, on the other hand, is collectivist. If you beleive in placing the interests of the nation before the interests of the individual, you are not a libertarian. You are an authoritarian and a collectivist.

The only thing worse are the comments to this blog post:

Quote"I believe the openly homosexual should be executed and I still consider myself more libertarian than anything else. The toleration of proud queers is extremely destructive to liberty, culture, and nation, but the connection is not obvious to anchorless minds bathed in anti-God, anti-western propaganda."

Sweet Celestia. Anyone who advocates that the state have the power to end an individual human life has no right to call himself a libertarian.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 12, 2014, 05:54:32 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 12, 2014, 04:03:52 PM
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/07/on-libertarianism.html (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/07/on-libertarianism.html)

Normally, I think we should stay away from the "no true libertarian" fallacy, but there clearly comes a time when someone clearly is not a libertarian and has no right calling themselves one. Case in point, Vox Day:

I think Libertarianism may be the only political philosophy where you can do that without it being a fallacy. Just as someone who wasn't born and doesn't live in Scotland isn't actually a Scotsman, anyone who advocates the initiation of force in ANY way is not a Libertarian, by definition.

And yes, Vox Day is not and never has been a Libertarian.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 12, 2014, 06:25:03 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 12, 2014, 05:54:32 PM
I think Libertarianism may be the only political philosophy where you can do that without it being a fallacy. Just as someone who wasn't born and doesn't live in Scotland isn't actually a Scotsman, anyone who advocates the initiation of force in ANY way is not a Libertarian, by definition.

And yes, Vox Day is not and never has been a Libertarian.
^Quoted For Truth.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 13, 2014, 01:34:59 AM
[yt]KwjjhNe7MZE[/yt]
Does no one Actually read the case?!?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 13, 2014, 04:08:12 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 13, 2014, 01:34:59 AM
[yt]KwjjhNe7MZE[/yt]
Does no one Actually read the case?!?

do you not know that emotions matter more than the facts when looking at a political issue? *end sarcasm*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 13, 2014, 08:55:28 AM
Wow. Kadrol in these two videos:

[yt]xsWgEqXfUXA[/yt]

[yt]Nv881KOdMD4[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 13, 2014, 11:52:49 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 13, 2014, 08:55:28 AM
Wow. Kadrol in these two videos:

[yt]xsWgEqXfUXA[/yt]

[yt]Nv881KOdMD4[/yt]
Read only one comment where he says we're for force, just for the things we like/want our way otherwise we wouldn't be complaining about the system.  Good lord, projection, much?

And his argument of "well no one would pay for the stuff without a state" was just painful levels of stupid.  No, Kadrol, think about this.  If that is true, that, in the abscence of the state, no one would pay for healthcare, roads, education, etc.  Why is it done in a democracy?  Either: democracy is an illusion and doesn't represent the will of the people, or people *would* really pay for them.  And think about it.  He doesn't believe that either.  If it was, why are him and other statists twats using that as an argument in a weak attempt to moral shame/tar&feather us? Either they know their argument doesn't apply and are just trying to poison the well, *or* they don't know it and are in no position of knowledge to be arguing this stuff in the first place.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 13, 2014, 02:30:03 PM
Saw this shared from Being Classically Liberal (http://"https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=832140390153718&id=592589870775439") on Facebook:

QuoteRepublicans want you to think that liberals are hypocrites. They want to incite anger and discord, and cause people to think poorly of liberals. But liberals are the driving force behind national progress - that is why we are called PROGRESSIVES. That is why the world looks to American Liberalism as a bright and shining beacon of hope for humanity; that corporate America will someday be overthrown by the people, and all people will be made equal by the government. All people. Not just rich, white CEOs and their Republican lackeys in congress.

The conservatards over at Being Banned from "Being Liberal" claim that the Being Liberal Facebook page unfairly bans people for no reason, but ignore the fact that their obvious troll page Being Classically Liberal ban people for no reason as well. We are not excusing Being Liberal's somewhat overreaching banhammering, but we cannot excuse Being Classically Liberal's hypocrisy, and the hypocrisy of all those who blindly let Being Classically Liberal tell them what to think while pretending that Being Classically Liberal is not administrated by hypocrites.

The truth is coming alive. Let it start here. Liberalism cannot be slandered!

The projection is stong with these people. "Obvious troll"? LOL!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 13, 2014, 02:32:01 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 13, 2014, 02:30:03 PM
Saw this shared from Being Classically Liberal (http://"https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=832140390153718&id=592589870775439") on Facebook:

The projection is strong with these people. "Obvious troll"? LOL!
I skipped right to the end and knew OP was full of shit.  Liberalism cannot be slandered? Good lord, God complex much, OP?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 13, 2014, 03:26:48 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 02, 2014, 08:48:43 AM
Am I the only one bothered by the obvious race-purity behind this? That mutations are bad and we need to keep our genetics pure?

Our ancestors did LOTS of mutating: lactose tolerance, CCR5-Δ32, extended color vision, HbC...and it's all while they were doing this little thing called "evolving!"

With just a little prodding, these guys could become racial cleansers if they're not already!
(Emphasis added by me).  Well, now that you mention it...
http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/This-Week-In-Internet-Social-Justice-07-11-2014-467380653

Take a look at the second one from the top...Just to give you a taste...and if you haven't already, check this out:

[yt]7c0a2oy5SoA[/yt]

And this:

[yt]0USsMKUFd4c[/yt]

Fail is obviously from the SJWs, not BTF or InternetAristocrat.  Needless to say, within a few minutes of seeing the super fails on the cultural appropriation bit from Tumblr SJWs, I was thinking, "yup, these douchenuzzles are getting what's coming to them, courtesy of \b\.  Serves them right for using speech codes, harrasment, lawsuits, nanny state bullshit and duress on college kids because they're doing something you don't like.  Fuck you."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 13, 2014, 04:43:29 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 13, 2014, 03:26:48 PM
(Emphasis added by me).  Well, now that you mention it...
http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/This-Week-In-Internet-Social-Justice-07-11-2014-467380653

Um... "Do you like Beethoven? Mozart? Bach? Misogynist! Don't you know they were all old white men?" Mozart died at 35.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 13, 2014, 04:44:19 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 13, 2014, 04:43:29 PM
Um... "Do you like Beethoven? Mozart? Bach? Misogynist! Don't you know they were all old white men?" Mozart died at 35.
True, but I think you still get the point.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on July 13, 2014, 05:27:06 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 13, 2014, 04:43:29 PM
Um... "Do you like Beethoven? Mozart? Bach? Misogynist! Don't you know they were all old white men?" Mozart died at 35.

As if these "enlightened" people would let something as irrelevant as facts get in the way.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 14, 2014, 07:28:12 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/wNpCNi3.png)

And something tells me the Rothbard quote is a quotemine. Double fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 14, 2014, 07:41:01 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 14, 2014, 07:28:12 PM
And something tells me the Rothbard quote is a quotemine. Double fail.

It may not even be that. I just spent several minutes looking through websites that use this quote. That is the only part of the quote that is ever given (nothing extra from before or after), and, above all, none of them cite any source. I searched my ebook copy of The Ethics of Liberty, and the word "unleashed" appears nowhere in the book.

My feeling is, the quote is either an outright fabrication, or a quote-mine so obvious that his detractors dare not post the source for fear it would be spotted in an instant.

Of course, Rothbard was far from perfect and did have some odious positions, but you'd think that if this one were that easily verifiable they wouldn't hesitate to include the source! Yet I didn't see a single citation in 2 pages of Google results, with the exception of where one article cited another article that had no citation to the quote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 14, 2014, 07:51:26 PM
It does seem to contradict this passage from Page 82:

QuoteTake, for example, the police practice of beating and torturing suspects—or, at least, of tapping their wires. People who object to these practices are invariably accused by conservatives of "coddling criminals." But the whole point is that we don't know if these are criminals or not, and until convicted, they must be presumed not to be criminals and to enjoy all the rights of the innocent: in the words of the famous phrase, "they are innocent until proven guilty." (The only exception would be a victim exerting self-defense on the spot against an aggressor, for he knows that the criminal is invading his home.)...We may qualify this discussion in one important sense: police may use such coercive methods provided that the suspect turns out to be guilty, and provided that the police are treated as themselves criminal if the suspect is not proven guilty.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on July 14, 2014, 11:17:10 PM
The conversation of where the Israelis came up with the idea of "knocking" of someone's roof before obliterating it with a hellfire missile

<facepalm>
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2014, 08:38:45 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 14, 2014, 07:41:01 PM
It may not even be that. I just spent several minutes looking through websites that use this quote. That is the only part of the quote that is ever given (nothing extra from before or after), and, above all, none of them cite any source. I searched my ebook copy of The Ethics of Liberty, and the word "unleashed" appears nowhere in the book.

My feeling is, the quote is either an outright fabrication, or a quote-mine so obvious that his detractors dare not post the source for fear it would be spotted in an instant.

Of course, Rothbard was far from perfect and did have some odious positions, but you'd think that if this one were that easily verifiable they wouldn't hesitate to include the source! Yet I didn't see a single citation in 2 pages of Google results, with the exception of where one article cited another article that had no citation to the quote.
Reminds me of that quote Templar Justin came up with of Rothbard supporting corporations (or at least saying they'd be a thing in a free society).  I notice he never provided a source for that either.  And even if he said it *and* it wasn't a quote-mine, I don't recall us looking at him as an infallible authority the way statists like him do the state..so....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 15, 2014, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2014, 08:38:45 AM
Reminds me of that quote Templar Justin came up with of Rothbard supporting corporations (or at least saying they'd be a thing in a free society).  I notice he never provided a source for that either.  And even if he said it *and* it wasn't a quote-mine, I don't recall us looking at him as an infallible authority the way statists like him do the state..so....

Exactly. It's just like when creationists try to make out like Darwin was wrong about something, and therefore we should all abandon evolution. Darwin was wrong about LOTS of things! That doesn't matter. It's what he was RIGHT about that's important.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2014, 12:26:33 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 13, 2014, 08:55:28 AM
Wow. Kadrol in these two videos:

[yt]xsWgEqXfUXA[/yt]

[yt]Nv881KOdMD4[/yt]
He actually seriously defended mass murder and said that yeah, Hitler was in the right (or at least legal...), etc.  While having the nerve to accuse US of being heartless and shit.  Good lord, this guy is off his rocker.  I'd accuse him of trolling, but I feel that would be overstating/overestimating his intellect.  Bonus bogon points for him if he laughs at the religious for defending their deity's mass murders...Of course, seeing as he doesn't know bugger all about evolution, it wouldn't surprise me if he is also a creationist too...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on July 15, 2014, 03:10:33 PM
So this comic by one Mike Dawson got tweeted to me. For some reason, I was thinking of Tim Dyson when I clicked the link, so it's no surprise I ended up a bit disappointed:

http://mikedawwwson.tumblr.com/post/91854168921/santrevl-hound-actual-armedplatypus

I think the bogons really start pouring in when he "counters" anybody who might bring up the 2nd Amendment by asking about his right not to feel terrorized by a guy carrying a rifle at a comic convention, whom he then (indirectly) compares to Elliot Rodger. Note that Mike makes no mention of said guy hurting or threatening anybody, and even suggests the possibility that, being a convention, the gun might not be real.

And thinking about it, that second part really gets to me. I admit, I probably haven't been to as many conventions as Mike here, but generally, the only people with real guns, rifles or no, is going to be security. And again, Mike offered no evidence that the gun was real, outside of the fact that he felt terrorized about it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2014, 03:17:24 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on July 15, 2014, 03:10:33 PM
So this comic by one Mike Dawson got tweeted to me. For some reason, I was thinking of Tim Dyson when I clicked the link, so it's no surprise I ended up a bit disappointed:

http://mikedawwwson.tumblr.com/post/91854168921/santrevl-hound-actual-armedplatypus

I think the bogons really start pouring in when he "counters" anybody who might bring up the 2nd Amendment by asking about his right not to feel terrorized by a guy carrying a rifle at a comic convention, whom he then (indirectly) compares to Elliot Rodger. Note that Mike makes no mention of said guy hurting or threatening anybody, and even suggests the possibility that, being a convention, the gun might not be real.

And thinking about it, that second part really gets to me. I admit, I probably haven't been to as many conventions as Mike here, but generally, the only people with real guns, rifles or no, is going to be security. And again, Mike offered no evidence that the gun was real, outside of the fact that he felt terrorized about it.
So his only argument is 'mah feelz'.  Typical.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 15, 2014, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on July 15, 2014, 03:10:33 PMI think the bogons really start pouring in when he "counters" anybody who might bring up the 2nd Amendment by asking about his right not to feel terrorized by a guy carrying a rifle at a comic convention

For some reason, I flashed to that scene from Chasing Amy...

[yt]pgTuarwFm6s[/yt]

QuoteAnd thinking about it, that second part really gets to me. I admit, I probably haven't been to as many conventions as Mike here, but generally, the only people with real guns, rifles or no, is going to be security.

Come to a libertarian convention sometime--that WON'T be the case! (Unless the venue restricts firearms, that is.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on July 15, 2014, 04:28:33 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 15, 2014, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on July 15, 2014, 03:10:33 PM
And thinking about it, that second part really gets to me. I admit, I probably haven't been to as many conventions as Mike here, but generally, the only people with real guns, rifles or no, is going to be security.
Come to a libertarian convention sometime--that WON'T be the case! (Unless the venue restricts firearms, that is.)

That's kinda like what I tweeted to him [1] (https://twitter.com/Altimadark/status/489114892222623744) [2] (https://twitter.com/Altimadark/status/489114963521572864):
"Isla Vista, Sandy Hook, the Aurora Shooting? All places with high gun restrictions. Yet you never hear of a shooting at a gun show, and the man with the rifle you mentioned didn't start shooting people at a crowded convention. Just my 2 cents."

On a related note, I just looked over the comments for his initial tweet (https://twitter.com/mike_daws/status/489073702869667840) again. Mike shows us just what a moral and upstanding citizen he is, as he plans to go to a restaurant in a more gun-friendly area and hope an open-carrier walks in so he can justify a dine & dash (https://twitter.com/mike_daws/status/489085208030109696).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 15, 2014, 04:56:35 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on July 15, 2014, 04:28:33 PM
On a related note, I just looked over the comments for his initial tweet (https://twitter.com/mike_daws/status/489073702869667840) again. Mike shows us just what a moral and upstanding citizen he is, as he plans to go to a restaurant in a more gun-friendly area and hope an open-carrier walks in so he can justify a dine & dash (https://twitter.com/mike_daws/status/489085208030109696).

I fear to ask: what is a "dine & dash"?

This guy's already next week's IE; anything else is just icing...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2014, 05:00:00 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 15, 2014, 04:56:35 PM
I fear to ask: what is a "dine & dash"?

This guy's already next week's IE; anything else is just icing...
Leaving a restaurant without paying but after you've eaten your food. Basically theft by fraud.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 15, 2014, 05:10:39 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2014, 05:00:00 PM
Leaving a restaurant without paying but after you've eaten your food. Basically theft by fraud.

Ah. Yeah, and since he announced in advance he was doing it on Twitter, it's premeditated and he can't justify it in court!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on July 15, 2014, 06:11:50 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 15, 2014, 05:10:39 PM
Ah. Yeah, and since he announced in advance he was doing it on Twitter, it's premeditated and he can't justify it in court!

Oh gog, I didn't even know that. Now I'm totally re-tweeting his dine & dash comments JIC he thinks to delete them beforehand.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 15, 2014, 07:24:24 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on July 15, 2014, 06:11:50 PM
Oh gog, I didn't even know that. Now I'm totally re-tweeting his dine & dash comments JIC he thinks to delete them beforehand.

get everyone you know to re-tweet this. I want to see the lulz.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on July 15, 2014, 08:00:30 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 15, 2014, 07:24:24 PM
get everyone you know to re-tweet this. I want to see the lulz.

I'll try, but I don't know that many people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on July 16, 2014, 12:17:12 AM
darn it Cleveland

http://www.inquisitr.com/1351894/gun-control-cleveland-law-would-strictly-limit-gun-buys-and-create-registry/

BBE or IE?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on July 16, 2014, 01:45:29 AM
[yt]KNZO30lPGm4[/yt]

EngageTheRebels says

QuoteGuns make the world safer because the more United Statians who get killed, the less of them there are to annoy the real world. 

Wow and they have the nerve to say that we Americans are racist?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 16, 2014, 08:11:25 AM
Aw jeez, this is going to be one of those "Don't crowd, you can't ALL be Idiot Extraordinaire!" weeks, isn't it?

Reporter stopped by TSA agent who didn't know District of Columbia is in US http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/orlando-tsa-agents-getting-geography-refresher/ngfmH/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 16, 2014, 08:21:46 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 16, 2014, 08:11:25 AM
Aw jeez, this is going to be one of those "Don't crowd, you can't ALL be Idiot Extraordinaire!" weeks, isn't it?

Reporter stopped by TSA agent who didn't know District of Columbia is in US http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/orlando-tsa-agents-getting-geography-refresher/ngfmH/
/quote]

Given the notoriously poor knowledge of geography common in the US and the notoriously low standards of the TSA, is this in any way surprising?  I don't think it really passes the bar for being Extraordinary.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 16, 2014, 09:43:57 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 16, 2014, 08:21:46 AM
Given the notoriously poor knowledge of geography common in the US and the notoriously low standards of the TSA, is this in any way surprising?  I don't think it really passes the bar for being Extraordinary.

We're not talking about a random person pulled off the street. We're talking about someone who's supposedly trained to understand security threats! Doesn't that mean having to learn which forms of ID are valid and which ones aren't?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2014, 01:19:03 PM
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-F3JX4ZFFkBU/U8ZMKd-eG_I/AAAAAAAAL_M/K7nJ9POa9As/s695-no/Arm+und+reich+ausrauben-01.png)
From a German fur I'm following on Google+ named Tefnut Nastula.

It says, "When the rich rob the poor, it's called capitalism.  When the poor rob the rich, it's called crime."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 16, 2014, 11:23:39 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/15/staples-boycott_n_5588839.html
Ya, because the Post Office is so great.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 17, 2014, 07:23:23 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 16, 2014, 11:23:39 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/15/staples-boycott_n_5588839.html
Ya, because the Post Office is so great.

Yeah, monopolies FTW, I guess.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 17, 2014, 11:03:10 AM
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/JhKhJXjpEnPCKbsSgATM6FfxV_CSgXFR9qxNiTRWC3k=s640)
"well ... but we'd have to not even look over your pond. let us look sometimes in europe and Germany ...."--both from Tefnut Nastula, shared originally from Being Liberal...which apparently has a Google+ page....FML.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 17, 2014, 11:21:08 PM
http://valleywag.gawker.com/anarchist-protestors-blocked-uber-cars-in-the-streets-o-1568739346
Anarchy- You're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 17, 2014, 11:35:06 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 17, 2014, 11:21:08 PM
http://valleywag.gawker.com/anarchist-protestors-blocked-uber-cars-in-the-streets-o-1568739346
Anarchy- You're doing it wrong.
"Turned its sights from Google..." Wait...are these those same 'anarcho'-communists who targeted Google a while back? Good lord...of course it would be these pillocks.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 17, 2014, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 16, 2014, 11:23:39 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/15/staples-boycott_n_5588839.html
Ya, because the Post Office is so great.

I made the mistake of reading the comments. Sweet Celestia, the stupidity burns like the sun!

I assume that these people are against monopolies, yet they are perfectly fine with the USPS holding a monopoly on postal service. Doy!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 18, 2014, 12:01:45 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 17, 2014, 11:48:33 PM
I made the mistake of reading the comments. Sweet Celestia, the stupidity burns like the sun!

I assume that these people are against monopolies, yet they are perfectly fine with the USPS holding a monopoly on postal service. Doy!
Considering the Post Office still expects you to be home when they deliver packages, when UPS and FEDEX stop doing that years ago.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BogosityForumUser on July 18, 2014, 12:21:57 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 18, 2014, 12:01:45 AM
Considering the Post Office still expects you to be home when they deliver packages, when UPS and FEDEX stop doing that years ago.

You can have USPS deliver without requiring you to be home.  You can also have it so that UPS and FEDEX only deliver when you are home or designate special instructions, such as to leave them with neighbors or back porch.  In our neighborhood, most people have them hold them for pickup or get packages sent to the office because package theft is insanely common.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on July 18, 2014, 11:27:26 AM
Why is Ring of Honor letting Roderick Strong have promo time he isn't good at promos he will never be good at promos

[yt]uNSfMmwZWsM[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 18, 2014, 01:15:28 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 18, 2014, 12:01:45 AM
Considering the Post Office still expects you to be home when they deliver packages, when UPS and FEDEX stop doing that years ago.

Canada Post doesn't deliver to my home, and we're RIGHT NEXT DOOR to the damn local office.  At least they don't expect me to pay for the mail box (which is supposed to be available 24/7, but the lobby is locked when they're closed down).

Oh, and even more fun, door-to-door delivery in towns is going away for EVERYONE.  Despite the fact this means 8000 fewer postal workers, Canada Post expects to still hire another 8000 people in the next 5 years (instead of 16000).  (Rural delivery is done by contractors instead of Canada Post employees anyway.)  When I order packages that don't come by mail, they get delivered right to my doorway, regardless of carrier.

I'm really hoping Amazon will start using drone delivery in my part of Canada, at least in good weather.  Not because I want things that much faster, but because it would just be really cool (and you can order damn near anything on Amazon these days).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2014, 01:27:23 PM
A bit of a fail from Jason Fennec from this video's comment section:  "If your theory doesn't account for everything, it is either incomplete or wrong.  It most certainly is not a fact."--Um, no, a theory doesn't have to account for *everything.*  Hell, even evolution, the most proven of all scientific theories has things it can't account for and would potentially falsify it (fossilized bunnies in the Precambrian strata!).  A theory that explains everything, explains nothing as a wise man once said.  Still, judging by the full quote posted below, he might have meant differently, but it's such a common train of thought, I had to include here...nothing personal meant to him.

For full context, here's the entire quote: 
Quote from: Jason Fennec"I stated was how the actual political spectrums are."

That would be your political theory.  Considering that these concepts are abstract, I strongly question your use of "are" when we can't agree on how meaningful your spectrum is.  If your theory doesn't account for everything, it is either incomplete or wrong.  It most certainly is not a fact. 

A better political theory would be the two dimensional Nolan Chart.

The video:  [yt]e2-sURYO1Bo[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 18, 2014, 03:34:16 PM
Quote from: BogosityForumUser on July 18, 2014, 12:21:57 AM
You can have USPS deliver without requiring you to be home.  You can also have it so that UPS and FEDEX only deliver when you are home or designate special instructions, such as to leave them with neighbors or back porch.  In our neighborhood, most people have them hold them for pickup or get packages sent to the office because package theft is insanely common.
Not in my neck of the woods. The post office openly refuses to drop stuff off unless you are home, I've tried.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 18, 2014, 04:53:35 PM
They always drop it off for me. I guess it varies.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 20, 2014, 12:20:33 AM
(http://whatculture.com/film/20-controversial-movie-endings.php/9)

Writing about _The Sixth Sense_

QuoteThe big reveal, of course, came at the end of the picture, when young Cole Sear (Haley Joel Osment) realises that his therapist, Dr. Malcolm Crowe (Bruce Willis), has been dead all along.

No, you blithering idiot!  Have you not seen the damn movie?  The big reveal is when CROWE realizes he's been dead since the opening scene!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 20, 2014, 03:10:58 PM
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=152402633
Any kind of momscience (much like broscience) is a huge fail.  Bonus bogons if it starts with them trying to refute your points with, "But Dr. Oz said..."

BRB cardio, not creating a caloric deficit is how you lose weight...
BRB If I eat before bed I'll feel like crap in the morning because the food turns into alcohol in my stomach as it doesn't get digested while I'm sleeping and makes me hungover when I wake up. (I wish I was making that one up).
brb eating a dozen eggs in a day is too expensive and unhealthy/gorging/ridiculous...despite the fact that they cost less than $2 a dozen if look for the cheapest (even AFTER inflation) and is only like, 840 Calories...while my mom buys the expensive organic, cage free brown eggs...that are identical in nutritional data. Gourmet bling ftw...
BRB organic/all natural is better for health and the environment...just like how snake venom, arsenic and HIV are better for your health...and how naturally occurring fecal matter that attracts lots of snakes is good for the environment...pay no mind to the roaches and the people dying of sepsis and snake bites...
BRB pesticides and "chemicals" cause cancer

The following from my (former) dietician *sigh*
You MUST have carbs every day or you'll lose brain and organ tissue. I'm working with my professor and Doctor Oz (yes, THAT Doctor Oz) on stuff about this. And you must eat within 2 hours of getting up for the same reason.
Avoid saturated/"bad" fats...
Don't eat more than 3 eggs a week
You MUST eat within 30 minutes before and 30 minutes after a workout, or your muscles will break down and/or you'll experience health problems!(?)
supplements are bad, they cause kidney damage!
Needless to say I don't plan on scheduling another appointment with this dingbat anytime soon.

And of course, the folks on the bodybuilding.com forums who are apparently naturopaths:  http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=121933221
Meat with Estrogen? The fuck does that even mean?  And really? That stuff is the reason why we're getting cancer? Bitch, please, people were getting cancer LONG before those chemicals were a thing.  And sorry, but anecdotes are not evidence.  As Hawkeye and I have shown, organic food is a scam.  Deal with it.

I could go on...but yeah...you'd think these people would be familiar with the spam principle: If I didn't ask for your input, I don't want it. Nobody likes spam--it's no good.
Or the story of the boy who cried wolf. I mean, after crying "THIS WILL KILL YOU!" & it not happening for the 9001st time, they shouldn't be surprised when people stop listening to them. I'm just sick of the scaremongering. It's food, not drugs or medication. That level of micromanagement is NOT required and is even counterproductive.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on July 20, 2014, 04:15:46 PM
Quotethe food turns into alcohol in my stomach as it doesn't get digested while I'm sleeping and makes me hungover when I wake up. (I wish I was making that one up).

I wish that one was true! I'd be like all "bedtime? Nom, nom, nom"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 20, 2014, 05:01:39 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on July 20, 2014, 04:15:46 PM
I wish that one was true! I'd be like all "bedtime? Nom, nom, nom"

You just made my day with that one. :) +1 cluons for you. :)

And yeah, if I seem a bit bitter/annoyed regarding health stuff, well, it doesn't help that both my parents--mom especially--tends to dismiss the beautifully sourced information I find online regarding health (unless it fits something they like/want/agree with, natch) as crazy stuff from a kook; often while my mom says, "when you get lean, you'll see the truth and god will be back in you and you'll see through bullshit." all while she and dad watch Dr. Oz for years and are really getting into his show in recent weeks...Yeah, it's called having a bullshit detector in the form of thinking like a skeptic.  Why don't you try it sometime?  And yeah, I ain't going to be a theist again.  Sorry. Will not happen.  Especially after having done the blasphemy challenge.  So even if it is real *and* I went back to it, I'd be going to hell regardless.  ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 20, 2014, 05:41:56 PM
And mom talking about how there was an article about someone who died from caffeine.  OD'ed on it and had the equivalent of 25 cups of coffee.  And making a stupid comment about how, "And of course someone has to die before that start regulating this stuff." and how, "Oh! All these young people are using it as a drug to lose weight!" (yeah, because they weren't already? Gimme a fucking break) Yeah, because they weren't already regulating the shit to begin with, right? Gimme a fucking break.  You mean like how they regulated banking and everything went awesome and there was no crisis? It's like Harry Browne once said.  This is how government grows.  Government fucks up things by meddling where it had no right to do so, and turns on the propaganda and gets people to believe it was a "lack of government intervention" that caused the problem, lather rinse repeat.  Really, those are feel good policies...like prayer.  No, actually, it's even worse, because at least prayer does nothing.  Government actually harms.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on July 20, 2014, 06:40:20 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 20, 2014, 05:41:56 PM
And mom talking about how there was an article about someone who died from caffeine.  OD'ed on it and had the equivalent of 25 cups of coffee.  And making a stupid comment about how, "And of course someone has to die before that start regulating this stuff." and how, "Oh! All these young people are using it as a drug to lose weight!" (yeah, because they weren't already? Gimme a fucking break) Yeah, because they weren't already regulating the shit to begin with, right? Gimme a fucking break.  You mean like how they regulated banking and everything went awesome and there was no crisis? It's like Harry Browne once said.  This is how government grows.  Government fucks up things by meddling where it had no right to do so, and turns on the propaganda and gets people to believe it was a "lack of government intervention" that caused the problem, lather rinse repeat.  Really, those are feel good policies...like prayer.  No, actually, it's even worse, because at least prayer does nothing.  Government actually harms.

I actually think you'd have to drink more coffee than that to OD on it, 25 cups is only 2 pots. I think you'd get there faster if you just ate a box of no-doze.

That being out of the way, there's also the problem of... Not only does the government regulate, it half-ass regulates so that at some future point, they'll be something else to regulate. Take for instance food labeling. Time was you saw "Chicken Soup" on a can, you trusted it was chicken soup. Then someone said "oh, we have to know what's in the chicken soup", so somebody passed a regulation that said ingredients had to be listed. It doesn't have to be in any particular order.

Eventually, somebody figured out that it didn't have to be in any particular order, so they said "we need to know the nutritional content of the chicken soup", so somebody pulled nutrition label regulation out of the ether. Except, the manufacturer can use any portion they want and call it a serving, and you have to piece together for yourself what the nutrition actually is... Much like you would if there wasn't a label... If you were to go into your cupboard right now, and took the labels at face value, I bet dollars to donuts the breakfast cereal is the most nutritious thing in there, and the fucking doritos are second. Everything else is Iron, Vit A, Vit D, Calcium... And once in a great while something else.

But of course now somebody's worked out that the nutrition label is useless without a standard serving to compare, so... Guess what? They are now working on regulating what a serving is....

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 20, 2014, 06:42:01 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on July 20, 2014, 06:40:20 PM
I actually think you'd have to drink more coffee than that to OD on it, 25 cups is only 2 pots. I think you'd get there faster if you just ate a box of no-doze.

That being out of the way, there's also the problem of... Not only does the government regulate, it half-ass regulates so that at some future point, they'll be something else to regulate. Take for instance food labeling. Time was you saw "Chicken Soup" on a can, you trusted it was chicken soup. Then someone said "oh, we have to know what's in the chicken soup", so somebody passed a regulation that said ingredients had to be listed. It doesn't have to be in any particular order.

Eventually, somebody figured out that it didn't have to be in any particular order, so they said "we need to know the nutritional content of the chicken soup", so somebody pulled nutrition label regulation out of the ether. Except, the manufacturer can use any portion they want and call it a serving, and you have to piece together for yourself what the nutrition actually is... Much like you would if there wasn't a label... If you were to go into your cupboard right now, and took the labels at face value, I bet dollars to donuts the breakfast cereal is the most nutritious thing in there, and the fucking doritos are second. Everything else is Iron, Vit A, Vit D, Calcium... And once in a great while something else.

But of course now somebody's worked out that the nutrition label is useless without a standard serving to compare, so... Guess what? They are now working on regulating what a serving is....
If it wasn't clear, the EQUIVALENT of 25 cups of coffee.  I think she said it was pure caffeine--in anhydrous powder form being used as a weight loss supplement--that was in his system.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 20, 2014, 06:50:21 PM
This asshole. (http://www.shonengamez.com/forum/showthread.php?248-Join-Our-Boys&p=4548&viewfull=1#post4548)
QuoteI donate occasionally to varying purposes, but mostly to those who stand near to me. Multiple scelerosis is one of them, cancer is another and drugs and alcohol addiction a third. As a medical student, I am curious if you have a source to the doctors or scientists that have claimed to have a 99% chance of reaching a cure, through funding. While it is tragic, the reason why a government is not willing to support a health initiative, is usually because there is too little evidence to support that there will be found a cure, and that the money will be able to save more lives if spent in a different health sector. It is a definite amount of money, that has to be delegated by means they deem most cost effective. If every genetic disease were to be researched extensively upon, then the cost would be too much to handle. Grave, but true.

So before I engage myself into donations, I want more intel on the people claiming they will be able to find a cure for certain, and that they indeed need donations because the governments are falsified and mistaken.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 20, 2014, 07:07:16 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 20, 2014, 06:42:01 PM
If it wasn't clear, the EQUIVALENT of 25 cups of coffee.  I think she said it was pure caffeine--in anhydrous powder form being used as a weight loss supplement--that was in his system.

10g of caffeine is the LD50, and it metabolizes in something like 12 hours. It's actually not hard to OD in pure form. But that's actually a testament to the free market: the industry self-regulates through the ABA, and it isn't a problem unless people are really juicing up on it like that. Make it illegal, and you'll have people ODing on it like they do on cocaine.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on July 20, 2014, 07:18:54 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 20, 2014, 06:42:01 PM
If it wasn't clear, the EQUIVALENT of 25 cups of coffee.  I think she said it was pure caffeine--in anhydrous powder form being used as a weight loss supplement--that was in his system.

Yeah, that bit was clear, I also found the article she was referring to: It says a teaspoon of the powder has the equivalent of 25 cups of coffee (~2.5 g). It does not mention how much the athlete actually consumed. Then it goes on to say that he may have mis guessed how much he was taking because kitchen measuring things aren't really all that accurate.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 20, 2014, 07:43:00 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on July 20, 2014, 07:18:54 PM
Yeah, that bit was clear, I also found the article she was referring to: It says a teaspoon of the powder has the equivalent of 25 cups of coffee (~2.5 g). It does not mention how much the athlete actually consumed. Then it goes on to say that he may have mis guessed how much he was taking because kitchen measuring things aren't really all that accurate.
Really now? You found it? Can you post it here for reference? That would be much appreciated. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on July 20, 2014, 08:23:09 PM
http://wlfi.com/2014/07/19/fda-powdered-caffeine-can-be-lethal/ (http://wlfi.com/2014/07/19/fda-powdered-caffeine-can-be-lethal/)

There you go.  ;)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 20, 2014, 09:20:43 PM
/sigh
Jacob Fennec being stupid again.
In red, his, in blue my response:


"Are you trying to say that environmental problems are not a tragedy of the commons problem?  Because they are.  The atmosphere is a commons, which we all share. "
Reread my original post.  I said that TotC is a problem that arises when GOVERNMENT owns the land/resources/etc and there isn't private property rights.

"The problem with marine cloud whitening and other geoengineering projects is that they require public funding, which means taxation.  Such projects also come with the risk of unknown consequences."
1) Cult of the omnipotent state thinking.  What besides government laws, regulations, etc is preventing people from pooling resources and doing this themselves?
2) Unknown consequences are a part of ANY plan of action.  If you want absolute certainty, you were born in the wrong universe.

"This isn't a scarcity or shortage problem, either.  What we are talking about are waste products accumulating in the environment, causing problems for everybody.  Also, there is a lack of recognition among private property owners that carbon sinks (trees and grasses) actually do have a monetary value to the economy.  Undeveloped land, full of trees, is actually sustaining the economy through gas exchange, yet land owners who have trees never get paid for the oxygen they produce through the sequestration of carbon via photosynthesis.  The reason is because we universally take carbon cycling and oxygen production for granted, even though we would all die without them. "
Limited resources in the environment isn't a scarcity/shortage problem? Ridiculous.  Also, it still ignores the point of private property.  If you own the land, you can seek restitution for having it polluted.   Simple.  I fail to see what you've posted in that has to do with that or how it would change that.
For your benefit:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xta4c731F-Y

"Developing the market for solar and ending oil subsidies is a much better long term solution to the problem.."
And while we're doing that, we could simply tear down all the coal plants and replace them with nuclear.  Nuclear is very clean, cheap, and efficient.  Nuclear waste is vastly understated and were it not for government treaties and other bogosity, could be simply re-enriched and  used again and without that issue.

Link to the full thread:  https://plus.google.com/107601466108345042986/posts/bNAavAzHBBF  Tsk.  You should know better than that, dude.

..something annoying Jason Fennec was him going on about was how, "Oh, environmental issues like Global Warming aren't an economic issue because it's not a scarcity issue.  It's a tragedy of the commons issue."
I tried telling him that TotC is ONLY something you get when government owns the land or resources.  And that despite his arguments from apocalypse, that we DO already have a viable solution to end all those issues:  It's called marine cloud whitening, and it works.  As you and Stef said, that should be the end the discussion as it is.  And sorry, Jason, you fucking drug abusing hippy, but that is NOT a reason to cut back on red meat.
He really needs to read that article by Rothbard on Air Pollution.  The only reason I didn't link it myself is because I've yet to read it (It's very long...and it's still on my to-do list) and didn't want to be a hypocrite.  So I linked him to Shane's video response to TheAmazingAtheist regarding polution and the like.  Sorry, Jason, but this IS an economic issue because it involves trade offs and things of value.  And really? Doesn't involve things of scaricity? So resources aren't a scarcity issue? Unpolluted land isn't a scarcity issue? Good lord. I've heard of some stupid rebutalls but that one takes the cake in terms of things.  Or the fact that government is the world's biggest polutter by far even if you don't count war, which you should.  If him and the other greentards want me to take them seriously, they'll call out government.  Until then, as far as I'm concerned, they're bullshitters and scam artists just like the homeopaths and naturopaths.  Plain and simple.

Holding people to their own words is 'harsh'? Hardly.  It's called expecting a standard of integrity.  If you don't have the integrity and moral fiber to practice what you preach, at least have the decency to preach what you practice.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 21, 2014, 08:19:38 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 20, 2014, 09:20:43 PM
/sigh
Jacob Fennec being stupid again.
In red, his, in blue my response:

[snipped bits I'm not responding to]

"Developing the market for solar and ending oil subsidies is a much better long term solution to the problem.."
And while we're doing that, we could simply tear down all the coal plants and replace them with nuclear.  Nuclear is very clean, cheap, and efficient.  Nuclear waste is vastly understated and were it not for government treaties and other bogosity, could be simply re-enriched and  used again and without that issue.

Link to the full thread:  https://plus.google.com/107601466108345042986/posts/bNAavAzHBBF  Tsk.  You should know better than that, dude.

Here's now cheap nuclear is to operate:  One of my brothers works in nuclear safety here in Canada.  He once told me he'd be quite happy to take ownership of every nuclear power plant in Ontario, since they make money hand over fist.  Yes, they cost a vast amount to build, the fuel per pound costs a fortune, but once you get them built correctly and perform proper preventive maintenance, they operate for years at a time with no problems, their fuel consumption is actually very small, their waste production is correspondingly small, we know everything we can need to know about containing it thanks to the research into the Oklo natural reactors, and they produce gobs and gobs of power at the lowest cost per kilowatt hour of any generation technology in existence.  The only real problem with nuclear is reactors have just about the worst power response of any power source ever devised, so they aren't really suitable as a sole source of power for a whole grid.  You need something you can throttle quickly when the load spikes, like coal-, oil-, or gas-fired plants.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 21, 2014, 08:28:12 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 21, 2014, 08:19:38 AMThe only real problem with nuclear is reactors have just about the worst power response of any power source ever devised, so they aren't really suitable as a sole source of power for a whole grid.  You need something you can throttle quickly when the load spikes, like coal-, oil-, or gas-fired plants.

That sounds to me more like a problem with the grid than anything else.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 21, 2014, 08:29:47 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 20, 2014, 07:07:16 PM
10g of caffeine is the LD50, and it metabolizes in something like 12 hours. It's actually not hard to OD in pure form. But that's actually a testament to the free market: the industry self-regulates through the ABA, and it isn't a problem unless people are really juicing up on it like that. Make it illegal, and you'll have people ODing on it like they do on cocaine.

Caffeine is also notably more toxic when taken in pure form rather than as a (quite minor) component of a drink or medication.  Way back in university when I took Organic Chemistry I, one lab exercise involved extracting and purifying the caffeine from the contents of a tea bag (a pretty routine sort of operation in most organic analysis labs).  We were cautioned that the quantity we extracted, in the purity we would be able to reach with the equipment at hand and our skill level, could be fairly toxic. (That may also have been because of some of the solvents used. This sort of thing is done with what's called a 2-phase extraction, where you do the initial extraction into a solvent like water, and then transfer the substance of interest to some other solvent that doesn't dissolve in the first solvent.  Most such solvents are pretty nasty for humans.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 21, 2014, 08:31:23 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 21, 2014, 08:28:12 AM
That sounds to me more like a problem with the grid than anything else.

I think it's more a problem with people than the hardware.  We tend to consume electricity in very uneven patterns when it's for private use.  Industrial and commercial uses tend to be rather smoother.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 21, 2014, 08:57:14 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 21, 2014, 08:31:23 AM
I think it's more a problem with people than the hardware.  We tend to consume electricity in very uneven patterns when it's for private use.  Industrial and commercial uses tend to be rather smoother.

Hey, if we're paying for a service, we should be able to use it howeverthefuck we want. If you can't provide it reliably on that basis, that's your problem, not ours.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 21, 2014, 09:02:28 AM
Woooooooow this guy is a doooouche.

I responded to that turd burglar last night that I linked to, and he had this to say (http://www.shonengamez.com/forum/showthread.php?248-Join-Our-Boys&p=4613&viewfull=1#post4613). Also that stuff at the bottom about Norway smells of shit. Anyone have any actual info about that shit?

QuoteSo we have established thus far that you really do think that the government is a collective group of evil people, who actually work against the people rather than for it. And that by exclaiming that more government involvement draws parallels to the Stockholm syndrome, where the citizens are kept hostages, you also imply that it is not just your government having issues with regulation and modernization, but it is the concept of a government itself that is hostile. Basically you are doing your best to undermine the role and importance of a well operating government, by making excuses of how you have a poorly executing one, and you describe the best alternative as absolute capitalism, also known as... anarchy?

I find that to be quite hilarious actually. How your rage against the government has developed to such a state, that you are basically set and ready to say "**** the lower class, **** the middle class". Because that is what an anarchy really stands for. You deal in absolutes, which TRULY through history (your statements about history do not apply to a general image, as you refer to poor execution of an idea, not the idea itself), have shown itself working the least efficiently to serve all but one demographic.

I was slightly sarcastic at first about you being a rebel, but turns out, you really are. Guess what you are looking for, is a revolution going back to the Medieval ages.

For a government that works largely unaffected by corruption, take a look at Norway. Below is a shorter quote on how the system's mechanisms is in general, and you can figure out the rest yoursel. And before saying that this is only possible with oil resources, also take a look at the rest of Scandinavia, with similar systems and results.

Norway does NOT have a socialist economy, but Americans are brainwashed by conservative talking points into thinking that the liberal model of capitalism practiced in Norway is actually "socialism."

Socialism means that the government owns and operates all of the productive facilities of the economy. In "totalitarian socialism" (communism) one party holds a monopoly of political power; in "democratic socialism" the government owns and operates all the productive resources, but there are democratic elections where different political parties compete to hold power. While we have a few examples of totalitarian socialism in the world today (China, Vietnam, etc), democratic socialism, although theoretically possible, has never existed in the modern post-industrial revolution world.

Most production in Norway is done by privately-owned businesses, some of them quite large. The difference is that these businesses are effectively regulated and taxed at much higher levels, to pay for a vast array of social services. This is NOT socialism; this is the liberal model of capitalism, taken further than we have ever gone in the USA.

What is life like in a truly liberal capitalist country? It is better than life in the USA. Let's take a look at a key economic statistic. (Data are from Wikipedia.)

Per capita income: USA = $50,789, Norway = $58,645
Taxes as a percentage of GDP: USA = 25% Norway = 41%
The Norwegian tax system is more "progressive" that the system in the USA: Poor people pay much less; Wealthy people (and corporations) pay much more — with fewer tax loop-holes and government subsidies.

And what do Norwegians get for their higher taxes? Extensive cradle-to-grave social services: health care, education, child day care, libraries, recreation and arts facilities — plus an extensive public transportation system. These are free or are offered at low cost, subsidized by taxes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 21, 2014, 09:11:16 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 21, 2014, 08:57:14 AM
Hey, if we're paying for a service, we should be able to use it howeverthefuck we want. If you can't provide it reliably on that basis, that's your problem, not ours.

That's why I'm saying nuclear isn't suitable as the only source.  To provide for the quickly varying consumption of non-industrial/commercial consumers, we need something that has a better power response than a nuclear reactor (which can take literally days to bring up to full power).  We don't really want fast-ramping reactors (although we could build them) because they're less safe to operate than the slow-ramping ones with the same output. (The faster it can ramp up, the faster it can get out of control, too.  Basically, what the moron who caused the Chernobyl incident did was remove some of the systems that prevented the reactor from ramping up fast. Then, when it did ramp up faster and to a higher power level than was expected, someone hit the emergency shutdown, and flaws in the emergency shutdown system precipitated the steam explosion that began the primary containment breach.  The flaws also mean that that reactor was probably unsafe to operate in the first place and might have had an explosion in many scenarios needing an emergency shutdown.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 22, 2014, 01:35:53 AM
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/f3a7577ee3d7d4933e748a84ecab57c9/tumblr_n91qwyAOGk1r5rq4ko1_500.jpg)

Sweet Celestia, what is with feminist social justice warriors not understanding nuance?

There are "old white men" whom I take seriously (Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell), but there are also "old white men" whom I do not take seriously (Rush Limbaugh and Bill Maher).

Likewise, there are women whom I take seriously (Julie Borowski and Angel Clark) and women I do not take seriously (Sarah Palin and Diana Feinstein). There are black men that I take seriously (Tom Sowell and Walter Williams) and black men that I do not take seriously (Barack Obama and Al Sharpton).

Venn Diagram, people. Learn what it is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 22, 2014, 03:09:34 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 21, 2014, 08:29:47 AM
Caffeine is also notably more toxic when taken in pure form rather than as a (quite minor) component of a drink or medication.  Way back in university when I took Organic Chemistry I, one lab exercise involved extracting and purifying the caffeine from the contents of a tea bag (a pretty routine sort of operation in most organic analysis labs).  We were cautioned that the quantity we extracted, in the purity we would be able to reach with the equipment at hand and our skill level, could be fairly toxic. (That may also have been because of some of the solvents used. This sort of thing is done with what's called a 2-phase extraction, where you do the initial extraction into a solvent like water, and then transfer the substance of interest to some other solvent that doesn't dissolve in the first solvent.  Most such solvents are pretty nasty for humans.)
Not more toxic, just more bio-available:  http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/caffeine-is-a-femme-fatale/
Considering the lethal dose is several grams...about twice what he took, he likely had other medical problems (maybe he was caffeine sensitive?) that effed him up.
As 50-100 mg of anhydrous caffeine powder (or in capsule form) tends to give quite a kick, and is more effective than having it dissolved in a liquid, as explained by Menno, complete with sources.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 22, 2014, 03:13:35 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 22, 2014, 01:35:53 AM
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Sweet Celestia, what is with feminist social justice warriors not understanding nuance?

There are "old white men" whom I take seriously (Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell), but there are also "old white men" whom I do not take seriously (Rush Limbaugh and Bill Maher).

Likewise, there are women whom I take seriously (Julie Borowski and Angel Clark) and women I do not take seriously (Sarah Palin and Diana Feinstein). There are black men that I take seriously (Tom Sowell and Walter Williams) and black men that I do not take seriously (Barack Obama and Al Sharpton).

Venn Diagram, people. Learn what it is.
The OP is a pussy beggar.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 22, 2014, 06:48:06 PM
Holy fucking shit this guy is so deep within the muck of his own statist bullshit (http://www.shonengamez.com/forum/showthread.php?251-Government-Debate-%28off-quot-Join-Our-Boys-quot-Thread%29&p=4929&viewfull=1#post4929) that he may actually drown in it.

QuoteI do not hold governments responsible for 330 million deaths. I think the notion is absurd and far fetched. The connection is extremely vague and non-descript.

To move along and reply to some of your arguments. I would like to see the hospital with a staff who is able to perform surgery for a herniated disc in the back, for one day's pay. I am not sure how much you know about hospitals, but you have normal doctors who do a check on you, send you to a specialist who usually uses some expensive equipment. Then you have to actually complete the surgery, with a vast number of medical personal on watch to tend for you. Medication is necessary to ensure the operation goes without complications. After that you have rehabilitation, with counciling and trainers to monitor you getting back to full recovery. I am not quite sure how you reckon either how expensive proper treatment is, or how many shortcuts you could, but should not make if you were to save money - an objective in a complete anarchy-capitalist society. The result is that only the rich get treated. Instead, the government requires taxes, and streamlines the hospitals so that they are as cost-efficient as possible (because the state is spending money on this, not profitting), while also being in line with the standards that are universally set by the same government. With taxes, you do not get the choice of helping out or not, to save yourself the cost by telling yourself that the risk of it happening you, isn't that big. Because when it hits you, you can't afford it alone, but society can because not all of society gets hospitalized each day.

I see you are also voting to remove the need for actual qualifications and degrees for work, with education on the Internet being free. After all, what ensures us a good school program, with everything from the curriculum to actual books and teachers, is at large the government. Without a common set of literature, you will have no certified degrees either recognized nationally and internationally, because there is no upper organ to recgonize and approve them. In a purely anarchy-capitalist country, you would have competing fields of study, where the employer would have one heck of a hard time telling which person actually has aquired a relevant skill set for the job.

Do you know what the top ladder of people in the government are? They are representatives. In a democracy, they are chosen by the people due to their skill and investment into gathering knowledge about how to run public systems benefitting you. They are meant to be better than your common man at that task, as it's their job. People in general, however, are not all fit to carry these responsibilities. There exist plenty of people who wouldn't give their neighbor a hand in lifting something heavy because he has a weak leg, because according to them, it is none of their business. Although much scrutinized, that is what politicians are there for - to make society better on behalf of you and the population.

About the "it must be bad because it has never been tried before". No, I don't agree. At the same time, there are certain things you do not do, because you have compelling enough arguments that it will, indeed, be a bad idea. Anarchy-capitalism is one of them, and every single economy in the world has landed on the same conclusion. You might theoretically by a long-shot be right, but there is also the high likeliness that everyone else actually aren't wrong.

Just...what in the actual fuck.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on July 22, 2014, 07:46:10 PM
This bit is actually "because" of government"

Quote from: DI am not sure how much you know about hospitals, but you have normal doctors who do a check on you, send you to a specialist who usually uses some expensive equipment. Then you have to actually complete the surgery, with a vast number of medical personal on watch to tend for you. Medication is necessary to ensure the operation goes without complications. After that you have rehabilitation, with counciling and trainers to monitor you getting back to full recovery. I am not quite sure how you reckon either how expensive proper treatment is, or how many shortcuts you could...

If it weren't for that, your doctor/nurse could watch you and bring in the specialist as needed...or do the surgery themselves. There's no shortcut involved just "not" involving those that not need to be involved.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 23, 2014, 09:03:42 AM
So this guy is nuttier than squirrel shit (http://www.shonengamez.com/forum/showthread.php?251-Government-Debate-%28off-quot-Join-Our-Boys-quot-Thread%29&p=5054#post5054).

QuoteAnd if the force is mainly for something good, why resist it? it's like swimming against the stream, instead of using it to propel you forwards.

QuoteWhile IronFury did not want me to use it, I will still use a classic term from the field of sosiology, to explain why a government is good. It's called the social contract. Briefly explained, it states that if all people had been enlightened, then they would have seen that a government is for the good of all of us, and they would not have been forced into joining it, because they would want to join it. Because anyone enlightened will see that living in a society has its benefits compared to being uncivilized. As long as you believe in enlightenment, then you should be able to believe in a government.

I already responded to his bullshit, but this guy is clearly an example of statism poisoning the mind far more than religion ever could.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 23, 2014, 09:48:16 AM
Quote from: D on July 23, 2014, 09:03:42 AM
So this guy is nuttier than squirrel shit (http://www.shonengamez.com/forum/showthread.php?251-Government-Debate-%28off-quot-Join-Our-Boys-quot-Thread%29&p=5054#post5054).

I already responded to his bullshit, but this guy is clearly an example of statism poisoning the mind far more than religion ever could.

And "Wow" at the start of his response:

QuoteWow there. I am not the only one determining that. I am part of a democracy.

This has got to be some perverted version of the Bystander Effect (which isn't actually real). It's kind of like the accountability for the evil he espouses gets spread out over the population at large, so he gets to divide his culpability by 300 million. I'm convinced that this is why so many otherwise-good people can support the evil the state does.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 23, 2014, 10:02:16 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 23, 2014, 09:48:16 AM
And "Wow" at the start of his response:

This has got to be some perverted version of the Bystander Effect (which isn't actually real). It's kind of like the accountability for the evil he espouses gets spread out over the population at large, so he gets to divide his culpability by 300 million. I'm convinced that this is why so many otherwise-good people can support the evil the state does.

Unfortunately, he got the last word before the thread was locked, but god damn I can only deal with so much woo.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 23, 2014, 10:27:26 AM
Quote from: D on July 23, 2014, 10:02:16 AM
Unfortunately, he got the last word before the thread was locked, but god damn I can only deal with so much woo.

Skimming through the thread, I have to wonder: what "infractions" were committed?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 23, 2014, 10:28:45 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 23, 2014, 10:27:26 AM
Skimming through the thread, I have to wonder: what "infractions" were committed?

-We take the "Be Polite" rule very seriously. We do not tolerate any rudeness. Any member who is intentionally unpleasant or disruptive may be banned without warning.

This one most likely. Though, if I'm being honest, I can't help but give someone no respect for thinking I'm their pawn to be used as they see fit. Fuck people like that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 23, 2014, 10:30:06 AM
Quote from: D on July 23, 2014, 10:28:45 AM
-We take the "Be Polite" rule very seriously. We do not tolerate any rudeness. Any member who is intentionally unpleasant or disruptive may be banned without warning.

This one most likely. Though, if I'm being honest, I can't help but give someone no respect for thinking I'm their pawn to be used as they see fit. Fuck people like that.

Yeah, one of the nice, vague ones they can make mean whatever they want it to at the time.

For the record: there is NO "Be Polite" rule on this forum. But then, you guys probably figured that out a long time ago...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 23, 2014, 10:33:57 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 23, 2014, 10:30:06 AM
Yeah, one of the nice, vague ones they can make mean whatever they want it to at the time.

For the record: there is NO "Be Polite" rule on this forum. But then, you guys probably figured that out a long time ago...

If there were, my ass would have been thrown out ages ago. I can't help it, when I see bullshit, I have to call it out, and if it calls for it, I'm not going to be friendly about it. Why the fuck should I accommodate someone who views me as a personal plaything for politicians?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 23, 2014, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 23, 2014, 09:48:16 AM
And "Wow" at the start of his response:

This has got to be some perverted version of the Bystander Effect (which isn't actually real). It's kind of like the accountability for the evil he espouses gets spread out over the population at large, so he gets to divide his culpability by 300 million. I'm convinced that this is why so many otherwise-good people can support the evil the state does.
I hereby nominate all of that statist prick's posts for "most sociopathic smear ever." If not BBE.  But then, as with PZ Myers, I guess what he thinks/does sadly isn't atypical.  Double bogon points of he also cries about us being "greedy/uncaring" while he blows off 330 murders saying, govco didn't actually have fault...even though the evidence is right there and shoved in his face.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 23, 2014, 10:58:32 AM
Quote from: D on July 23, 2014, 10:33:57 AM
If there were, my ass would have been thrown out ages ago. I can't help it, when I see bullshit, I have to call it out, and if it calls for it, I'm not going to be friendly about it. Why the fuck should I accommodate someone who views me as a personal plaything for politicians?
As I said in Steam, it reminds me of a bit from RaymoudDundas a while back:

Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 10, 2011, 08:51:54 PM
"...Where we part ways is that is that you—like most of the people in the country—grew up assuming its [the Social Contract's] legitimacy and moral superiority, and never bothered to question it.  Go back 200 years ago, you'd have defended slavery.  And go back 400 [years] and you'd have defended the absolute monarchy." --GunCriminal, 14:10 to the very end (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_B-sDrKmWQ)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 23, 2014, 02:19:45 PM
"Wise men, when in DOUBT whether to speak or keep quiet, give themselves the benefit of the doubt and remain silent."--from a picture from a guy on FA called "Rehgan".  While not a fail in and of itself, I don't like how I know at least one liberal I know tends to use quotes like that to make themselves seem smart...*cough* MarauderOSU the first guy whose livejournal I got the first posting of fail quotes from *cough*

The comments are pretty fail:
SenkoLKE:  "Wise advice. Especially in this era so full of hatred and intolerance. "
I had to respond to that one with, "CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE! :P"
To which the clueless pillock responds with: "I'm a gay Hispanic atheist foreigner. I think I should be the one saying that :P"
What I'd like to respond with:  Who gives a shit?

Literary_Wolf:  "If only my students could learn this lesson...it would save them many trips to the office. (Laughs)"
Because when children are imprisoned in a school against their will, it's fun to laugh and punish them for understandably getting angry and acting out against it...dick.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 23, 2014, 02:36:24 PM
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It never Fucking ENDS!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 23, 2014, 10:03:49 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 23, 2014, 02:36:24 PM
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It never Fucking ENDS!

I actually ranted to Wraith about this when I saw it.
"    Lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty?  You bribed the richest generation in America with blood money from the young and unborn.
    I love how they say "passed the clean water/air act" with no actual citation on how well those actually work
    Apparently good intentions are all it takes to impress the left
    They absolutely did NOT end segregation.  That's just a plain lie
    Hell, they worship a president who interred japanese citizens for no reason which tells you everything"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on July 23, 2014, 11:17:38 PM
Two particular points in the "Real Life" Section of TvTropes page of "Self-Fulfilling Prophecies"

Quote
+Economics: Investors' fears of a downturn in the stock market are one of the most common reasons for a downturn in the stock market.
++Recessions in general work similarly, since consumer confidence is a major factor. Once the news media alerts the general population that there might be a recession coming, people start spending less money, and before you know it, we're in a recession. The longer and louder the media goes on about it, the worse it's likely to be, in part because of the warnings.

Assuming that investors in general look at the stock market as a whole, instead of looking for sectors/businesses with new ideas/models.  Same goes with consumers, they're looking for the cheaper/cost-effective substitute.

QuoteBanking Runs are considered to be often impacted by the perception of a bank being solvent. In reality most banks can't withstand all of their liquid money being hit at once. The FDIC knows this, and their list of banks most likely to fail is considered to be top secret since publishing the list will cause runs on those banks and cause them to fail. An example is the Washington Mutual bank failure. Basically, it was going relatively okay until a bunch of people heard the bank might fail with the economic downturn. Then, in one day, 10% of its assets were withdrawn by panicky account holders, causing the bank to fail and get bought out by Chase. These are actually the Trope Namer. Robert K. Merton coined the phrase, and used a banking run as the canonical example. A particular real life example of a bank run was seen in the UK with Northern Rock. The bank quietly asked the Bank of England if they could have an extended overdraft (effectively), even though they didn't actually need it at that point. Word got out, leading to every branch in the country being besieged by savers desperate to take all their money out before the bank collapsed - which it wasn't in danger of doing until people panicked.

This isn't a stupid quote in of itself rather the FDIC's solution, as it is a blatant admission that they could be at any time propping up the illusion of safety.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on July 27, 2014, 01:11:55 AM
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The video is not fail, though it's not especially good, either. As can be expected, I direct you to the comments, this time made by one Chris Cunningham, who keeps tripping over his own damage control:

Chris Cunningham
I don't have anything off hand, but I've seen some of the plans people got and with the new requirements for healthcare plans on the exchanges, they're getting more things covered for the same or lower in cost to them.

Altimadark
[In 2014, the PPACA decreed] health insurance must have broader coverage, and that employers must cover any employee working at least 30 hr/wk. So, as can be expected, my employer dropped my insurance and reduced my time to 29 hr/wk.

Actually, you can thank your employer, many employers are doing this to avoid paying for their employees healthcare.

Only if it can be proven that I still would have lost my health insurance et al without the PPACA. And didn't supporters say, "If you like your plan, you can keep it, period?" That certainly didn't happen.

[that] was under the mistaken impression that employers would actually update their existing plans to meet the requirements of the law

...when it came to light that people couldn't keep their plans, the politicians supporting it said you could only keep your policy if it didn't change. And by your own words, the PPACA was meant to force plans to change.

[Obamacare] said insurance companies could keep selling plans if they followed certain rules. The problem for insurers was that the "Obamacare" rules were strict

This supports my claim that I and many other people lost their health insurance due to the PPACA, not their employers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on July 27, 2014, 02:52:30 AM
So it seems this Halbig case is big news, though I can't help but think it's going to end with regular people getting screwed over somehow. Anyway!

[yt]lWBf1WL-l1M[/yt]

Another video, another roll of fail comments, this time by one Eero Haapala. Making it brief, here's the (current) end of the conversation:

Eero Haapala
When it comes to healthcare, government involvement works. Canada is an example.

Altimadark
Canada's excessive wait times and the government dismantling of mutual aid societies not withstanding, you yourself admitted corporatism is a problem in US healthcare, and you also agreed that corporatism requires government involvement.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 28, 2014, 06:00:01 PM
Fuck Daily Kos!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/26/1316848/-What-not-to-say-to-black-people-when-you-are-Rand-Paul
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 28, 2014, 06:39:38 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 28, 2014, 06:00:01 PM
Fuck Daily Kos!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/26/1316848/-What-not-to-say-to-black-people-when-you-are-Rand-Paul
This can't end well...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 28, 2014, 10:16:26 PM
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/if-you-are-pro-batman-you-are-anti-gun
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on July 29, 2014, 09:04:16 PM
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/28/free-markets-fail-to-prosper-history-shows-that-government-is-key-to-true-growth/ (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/28/free-markets-fail-to-prosper-history-shows-that-government-is-key-to-true-growth/)

QuoteWhen you break down the revolutionary technologies, the industry changing ones, they all have something in common – they relied on technologies not developed and supported by private enterprise, but those funded by the government. The iPhone, for example, used a touch screen, GPS, and even the processor, all funded by one nations government or another.

Yeah I call BS on this
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 30, 2014, 08:18:39 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 30, 2014, 12:42:14 PM
https://plus.google.com/107601466108345042986/posts/KPghTL34Vrc
Every comment I've gotten as a reply to mine on this.  Good lord some people are dense.  Gotta love food snobbery.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 30, 2014, 01:24:32 PM
From the comments of the libertarian brutalism video by Chris Cantwell.  The quoted terms are the fail... Yes, this was my reply to Jason.  Gotta love the hippy and busybody flavored snobbery...

+Jason [Professor Fennec]
" It doesn't really matter if rules are broken or not.  The terms of service are written so vaguely that they can pretty much boot anybody they want. "
Figures.  They're bogus vague rules to begin with.

"Besides, it is their property.  Facebook can change the rules at any time.  That's probably in the TOS as well.  They always stick that "Rules subject to change without notice" clause just to cover their buts."
Which leads me to question whether in a free society that would be a valid contract to begin with...And really, doesn't make them less of assholes even if it is their property in the same way a store owner can ban blacks from going into it.

"So, if they don't like Facebook, they should take their business someplace else that gives them the freedom they want.  Anything less is bratty first world problems entitlement."
You mean like the anti-brutalists and PC crowd who could have easily not been a part of the group to begin with?  Or the folks who whine about, "HUR DUR IF YOU WANT THIS OR THAT GO TO ANOTHER SITE! LOL! I DON"T WANT TO HAVE TO SEE THAT STUFF HERE!"

"The people who are actually getting off of their butts and doing something about state tyranny are developing open source software, cryptocurrencies and the deep web.  They are developing the tools that make the state obsolete. "
So those ways, not the brutalist way is the way to end the state? Yeah, I don't buy that.  Also, "make the state obsolete?"  Sorry, the state was never NOT obsolete to begin with.  And really, near as I can tell, it wasn't "meant to end the state" but more a private club away from the PC bullshit.

"Anybody who isn't supporting technologies and methods that make the state obsolete need to shut up and get out of the way. "
See my above reply regarding that.  Again, the state was never non-obsolete to begin with, so this doesn't make a lick of sense and just comes off as more snobbery elitist crap.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 30, 2014, 05:04:18 PM
It's nutrition myths and momscience brought to you today by Travis!

Today's myth:
"White rice is completely stripped of nutrition! It's just pure sugar! Not like brown rice which is wholesome, whole grain and packed with stuff good for you!"

Fact:
Not so!
Rice, white, long-grain, regular, raw, unenriched: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5812/2
Rice, white, long-grain, regular, raw, enriched: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5711/2
Rice, brown, long-grain, raw: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5706/2
Especially when it has been enriched.  In fact, if you're a bodybuilder trying to bulk, or just someone wanting to gain weight for those reasons anyways, one could argue the brown rice is actually *worse* because the fiber makes it more satiating and thus harder to eat enough them to gain weight.  The reverse being true for those trying to loose weight (or who don't get enough fiber) natch.  As Alan Aragon and Armi Legge demonstrated:
http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/
http://evidencemag.com/clean-eating/
What food(s) are healthy/unhealthy for one person is NOT always going to be healthy/unhealthy for another.  People are different, with different needs, preferences, strength of will and tolerances, and trying to fit everyone into some preconceived notion of a "health/clean/etc" diet is counterproductive at best.  It's like Jim Sterling said with regards to video games--you don't look for the perfect "Sauce" you look for the perfect "Sauces"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irZ-159xsZY
Same idea here.

Also, look at the nutritional information. There is not a single gram of sugar in the white rice--while ironically there is in the brown rice.
"BUT DOCTOR OZ SAID IT ALL JUST TURNS TO SUGAR IN YOU!" Yes.  ALL carbs do that, regardless of type or composition.  While it *is* true that the brown rice has a slightly lower GI, Menno proved in his "Is a Carb a Carb?" article, unless you're already unhealthy (obese, sedentary, not watching what you eat), then the GI/sugar/starch/etc amounts are 100% irrelevant to your health.  And even then, the only thing it changed was a larger decrease in LDL cholesterol in those on the weight loss diets in the lower GI carb group.  Not even glucose and insulin metabolism were effected.
http://www.simplyshredded.com/the-science-of-nutrition-is-a-carb-a-carb.html

Myth/Assertion:  "Medium grain rice is much higher quality (and more expensive) than long grain rice!"

Fact:
How?  Taste? That's completely subjective.  Nutrition?
Bullshit.  Again, the two figures:
Rice, brown, medium-grain, cooked:  http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5710/2
Rice, brown, long-grain, cooked:  http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5707/2
If anything, the long grain can be said to be better, if only in terms of cost efficiency.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on July 30, 2014, 07:26:57 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 30, 2014, 05:04:18 PM
It's nutrition myths and momscience brought to you today by Travis!

Today's myth:
"White rice is completely stripped of nutrition! It's just pure sugar! Not like brown rice which is wholesome, whole grain and packed with stuff good for you!"

Fact:
Not so!
Rice, white, long-grain, regular, raw, unenriched: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5812/2
Rice, white, long-grain, regular, raw, enriched: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5711/2
Rice, brown, long-grain, raw: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5706/2
Especially when it has been enriched.  In fact, if you're a bodybuilder trying to bulk, or just someone wanting to gain weight for those reasons anyways, one could argue the brown rice is actually *worse* because the fiber makes it more satiating and thus harder to eat enough them to gain weight.  The reverse being true for those trying to loose weight (or who don't get enough fiber) natch.  As Alan Aragon and Armi Legge demonstrated:
http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/
http://evidencemag.com/clean-eating/
What food(s) are healthy/unhealthy for one person is NOT always going to be healthy/unhealthy for another.  People are different, with different needs, preferences, strength of will and tolerances, and trying to fit everyone into some preconceived notion of a "health/clean/etc" diet is counterproductive at best.  It's like Jim Sterling said with regards to video games--you don't look for the perfect "Sauce" you look for the perfect "Sauces"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irZ-159xsZY
Same idea here.

Also, look at the nutritional information. There is not a single gram of sugar in the white rice--while ironically there is in the brown rice.
"BUT DOCTOR OZ SAID IT ALL JUST TURNS TO SUGAR IN YOU!" Yes.  ALL carbs do that, regardless of type or composition.  While it *is* true that the brown rice has a slightly lower GI, Menno proved in his "Is a Carb a Carb?" article, unless you're already unhealthy (obese, sedentary, not watching what you eat), then the GI/sugar/starch/etc amounts are 100% irrelevant to your health.  And even then, the only thing it changed was a larger decrease in LDL cholesterol in those on the weight loss diets in the lower GI carb group.  Not even glucose and insulin metabolism were effected.
http://www.simplyshredded.com/the-science-of-nutrition-is-a-carb-a-carb.html

Myth/Assertion:  "Medium grain rice is much higher quality (and more expensive) than long grain rice!"

Fact:
How?  Taste? That's completely subjective.  Nutrition?
Bullshit.  Again, the two figures:
Rice, brown, medium-grain, cooked:  http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5710/2
Rice, brown, long-grain, cooked:  http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5707/2
If anything, the long grain can be said to be better, if only in terms of cost efficiency.

Uh, yeah. There's always been a certain segment of the population that always thinks that because "something" is a common household food (bonus points if it's regularly consumed by those who have a lower income than the "judges"); it's automatically bad for you. CIP: The current bullshit about HFCS... Okay, 30 years ago we stopped using sugar because...(drum roll) EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS. Now, everybody's switching back to sugar. Please make up your damn mind. (The do-gooders, not Travis)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 31, 2014, 02:56:17 AM
https://plus.google.com/103985275484915334835/posts/2DJHEsYHXUD
A few too many posters here...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 31, 2014, 03:43:35 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 30, 2014, 12:42:14 PM
https://plus.google.com/107601466108345042986/posts/KPghTL34Vrc
Every comment I've gotten as a reply to mine on this.  Good lord some people are dense.  Gotta love food snobbery.
And +Lucas Howes flat out lying about my posts.  /sigh
So he bitches about me and others arguing about an ice cream video...while he participates.  And he trolled me.  Blah. This is what happens when you post late at night without sleep. But yeah, for the bigoted comments "HUR DUR YOU AUTIST!" etc he gets muted, blocked, and reported.  Bigoted douche.

Aside from the known sexual reputation the fandom has, crap like this from folks like Lucas Howes, along with furs like Fennec's fog and sophistry (and him actually associating with that PoS) is why I didn't want to come out of the closet on this forum as a furry.  It seems that the worst, most venom filled, most bigoted trolls (in my 8 years of fandom experience) tend to be furries trying to "teach other furs a lesson." or some other crap.  And of course he'd be a dragon...in my year of experience as a part of the fandom, those guys come in two different varieties--either the sweetest, nicest people you'll ever meet.  Or the meanest, nastiest, and arrogant douches ever (as opposed to horse furs, of which, I've yet to meet a nice one...). Like, I'm talking on par with the ethical vegans and SJWs here.

But I digress...
When these people are consistent and actually start calling out the organic food, the cage free/'cruelty free', non-GMO and other scams and examples of what I call Gourmet Bling (much love to Cracked.com for that phrase), I them more seriously. Until then, I'll take them about as seriously as a morbidly obese man selling a diet book.  Of course it's always the generic, cheapo brands/foods they go after (as Dallen mentioned :) ).  Never the fancy hoity toity crap like Spanish Souffle (1/4+ a stick of butter in every serving).
Folks, if you're gonna play the "WAH THAT'S DISGUSTING AND BAD AND SHOULDN'T BE EATEN!" moral outrage card, go all the way, or go home.  This selective fake indignation of theirs is complete bogosity.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 31, 2014, 07:42:02 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10337694_628551357237922_8034331653434709468_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 31, 2014, 01:06:49 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10302168_628166047276453_3241466123526256553_n.jpg)
*Sigh*
Why is it that Occupy Democrats keeps getting on here?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 31, 2014, 05:09:07 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 31, 2014, 01:06:49 PM
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*Sigh*
Why is it that Occupy Democrats keeps getting on here?
Because they're that delusional...and yeah...@OP:  The race card! What's in *your* wallet?

Quote from: D on July 31, 2014, 07:42:02 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10337694_628551357237922_8034331653434709468_n.jpg)
Because it's not an atrocity when 'your team' does it...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Isolder74 on July 31, 2014, 05:13:16 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 31, 2014, 03:43:35 AM
And +Lucas Howes flat out lying about my posts.  /sigh
So he bitches about me and others arguing about an ice cream video...while he participates.  And he trolled me.  Blah. This is what happens when you post late at night without sleep. But yeah, for the bigoted comments "HUR DUR YOU AUTIST!" etc he gets blocked and reported.  Bigoted douche.

When these people are consistent and actually start calling out the organic food, the cage free/'cruelty free', non-GMO and other scams and examples of what I call Gourmet Bling (much love to Cracked.com for that phrase), I them more seriously. Until then, I'll take them about as seriously as a morbidly obese man selling a diet book.  Of course it's always the generic, cheapo brands/foods they go after (as Dallen mentioned :) ).  Never the fancy hoity toity crap like Spanish Souffle (1/4+ a stick of butter in every serving).
Folks, if you're gonna play the "WAH THAT'S DISGUSTING AND BAD AND SHOULDN'T BE EATEN!" moral outrage card, go all the way, or go home.  This selective (fake) indignation crap is complete bogosity.

A lot of the time the only way that Organic food is in any way an improvement in quality based on the price is if you can buy it VERY locally, meaning that the transport time is short enough that produce picked ripe can actually make it to the market in a sellable state.  Most produce organic or otherwise is usually picked green in order to ensure as long of a transport chain as possible.  In fact the longer it has to travel the lower in taste it will have.  There are fruits that have to picked without being ripe first(such as pears and avocados) but those are limited.  Even some that can be fine green, like apples, are better picked ripe off the tree. 

When it comes to "cage free" or any other marketing buzz because the regulations are only strict when it comes to organic those can mean nothing more then a building where the animals are kept just standing around.  Free range can just mean they open the door once a day.  Pasture raised they at least have to let them out of the building once a day. 

Natural food isn't necessarily any better then other food.  It is true that the more something is processed the less it contains of the original nutrition.  However this does not mean that the food is devoid of anything other then starch.  The only thing that makes brown rice different then white rice is the bran coat is still on the grain so it takes longer for the grain to cook and soften.  It still has just the same amount of starch in it. 

I wouldn't recommend trying to live on just rammen noodles(or any other single food type) either.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 31, 2014, 11:49:06 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 31, 2014, 05:09:07 PM
Because they're that delusional...and yeah...@OP:  The race card! What's in *your* wallet?
Because it's not an atrocity when 'your team' does it...
So someone finally caught up with the stupidity of Being Liberal.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 01, 2014, 01:37:14 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 31, 2014, 01:06:49 PM
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well, since the actual person didn't do this, I would conclude the person(s) who made this poster is an idiot or liar...or both.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 01, 2014, 06:20:14 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on August 01, 2014, 01:37:14 AM
well, since the actual person didn't do this, I would conclude the person(s) who made this poster is an idiot or liar...or both.

Plus, if a white president did those things, I'd think the exact same thing as if a purple president with yellow polka dots did those things. Unfortunately, the black (well half-black) president that we're supposed to be thinking about didn't actually do those things.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 01, 2014, 07:27:04 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on August 01, 2014, 06:20:14 PM
Plus, if a white president did those things, I'd think the exact same thing as if a purple president with yellow polka dots did those things. Unfortunately, the black (well half-black) president that we're supposed to be thinking about didn't actually do those things.

It's interesting, isn't it, that Obama is half black but counts as black, but Zimmerman is half Latino but counts as white...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 01, 2014, 07:29:59 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 01, 2014, 07:27:04 PM
It's interesting, isn't it, that Obama is half black but counts as black, but Zimmerman is half Latino but counts as white...

That's because in Loony Liberal Land, it's different when the guy does something they like.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 04, 2014, 01:35:53 AM
http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/A-case-of-a-guilty-conscience-405158014

aaaaceace in the comments spins the old yarn that all the spending is due to military and he took politics in college (like that's supposed to mean anything to me).

*yawn*
*One google search later*

Sorry lefties, medicare and medicaid alone blow defense spending out of the water.  There is NOT a shortage of entitlement programs.  Bloody give it up already!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 04, 2014, 01:22:41 PM
Stumbled across this fail on Tumblr (http://nolan-kane.tumblr.com/post/62217890919/how-come-you-dont-find-libertarians-in-impoverished) (of course!):

QuoteHow come you don't find Libertarians in impoverished countries? Why hasn't a farmer in the Third World ever said to themselves: "Fuck, we need more Capitalism"?

It wouldn't be because it's a privileged philosophy, now would it? Because people who see the blunt end of Capitalism don't often call for more of it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 04, 2014, 02:33:08 PM
Quote
How come you don't find Libertarians in impoverished countries? Why hasn't a farmer in the Third World ever said to themselves: "Fuck, we need more Capitalism"?

It wouldn't be because it's a privileged philosophy, now would it? Because people who see the blunt end of Capitalism don't often call for more of it.

Oh please!  If there were libertarians in those countries, you window breakers would shift gears and say "See!  SEE?!   There's libertarians there and they're poor!  It's all their fault!!"

Bloody sophists.  When they win, they win.  When they lose, they win.  When they tie, they win.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 04, 2014, 02:53:41 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 04, 2014, 02:33:08 PM
Oh please!  If there were libertarians in those countries, you window breakers would shift gears and say "See!  SEE?!   There's libertarians there and they're poor!  It's all their fault!!"

Bloody sophists.  When they win, they win.  When they lose, they win.  When they tie, they win.
Mhm.  The mark of the bullshitter--always have an out no matter what evidence is presented against you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 04, 2014, 03:30:48 PM
So, my mother is watching The Doctors are they are seriously pulling the "Why aren't chemicals banned abroad banned in the US?" Malarkey.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 04, 2014, 09:58:34 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/10592689_10152581459673189_8277977847410552486_n.jpg)

I'm including the creator of the image as part of the fail here for being a fucking pussy and covering the names of these douchebags up.

Fuck that shit. You say something retarded on something as public as the internet, you deserve all the shame you get.

I hope these fuckers step on some legos.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 04, 2014, 10:11:48 PM
Oh hey, state fag boy returns (http://www.shonengamez.com/forum/showthread.php?303-Smoking-and-weed-debate&p=6202&viewfull=1#post6202).

QuoteWhat's your take on this? I've taken note that in the U.S., they have gone towards legislation of marijuana. In my country, they go the other way. They've just decided to ban smoking cigarettes in public facilities and at public transport stations. Before it was inside pubs, and before that again on airplanes. Marijuana was never allowed.

My two cents, is that I completely support the ban of all types of smoking. I really do. Why? Because it invades my privacy. If I am forced to inhale the smoke of others, I react similarly to someone stepping right up into my face. It's uncomfortable, and I have to move away. In some spots, that's troublesome, like when waiting for a bus in pissing rain, and someone lights up a blunt right next to you. Other times, I just get annoyed by the lack of respect from someone lighting a cigarette, full well knowing that someone else will feel bad from the smell and the expansion of the smoke, threatening to enter your lungs too.

So what is different between smoking and drinking? Shouldn't they both be banned because they are toxic substances? Personally, I don't think so. If there was a way to inhale all the smoke, without breathing it out, and without the tip of the cigar burning, I would have no issue with it. Go ahead, kill your lung function. It's your own choice, I probably can't stop you. However, smoking is invasive on others. I don't have a choice but to accept the passive smoking, whereas you have a choice not to drink.

About marijuana, it's not poisenous. Sure, it smells like shit, but I am in no direct danger from it. The main issue with marijuana, compared to alcohol, is that people smoke it every day and reduce their brain function. Just as I get annoyed by drunks when sober, I get annoyed by people who are high. Also, in certain areas (*cough* Amsterdam, I'm looking at you *cough*), the stench of marijuana is so dense, that once again, the invasive argument counts. I'll be able to get high, just by my mere presence. That's way worse than drinking imo. For the tool bags who actually need to light up dat kush to chill out, you cease to be able to operate some time alright. That makes you no better than an alcoholic if you crave weed every day.

I don't think I've ever hated a person more in my life. Is there anything this guy doesn't want a government to do?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 05, 2014, 05:25:54 AM
Quote from: D on August 04, 2014, 10:11:48 PM
Oh hey, state fag boy returns (http://www.shonengamez.com/forum/showthread.php?303-Smoking-and-weed-debate&p=6202&viewfull=1#post6202).

I don't think I've ever hated a person more in my life. Is there anything this guy doesn't want a government to do?

let us deconstruct this guy:

QuoteWhat's your take on this? I've taken note that in the U.S., they have gone towards legislation of marijuana. In my country, they go the other way. They've just decided to ban smoking cigarettes in public facilities and at public transport stations. Before it was inside pubs, and before that again on airplanes. Marijuana was never allowed.

my take is that it is good news: the lift on the ban in Colorado generated near half-a Billion Dollars in the first year for the State government alone. This clearly demonstrates that the business is in the multi-Billion dollar range, and so represents for the near 20 million Coloradans opportunities for new jobs, new products, etc. And in fact last I heard, the local economy has improved quite a bit--do you not want people to at least work? Also the Sufis might start flooding the place: if ever a society needed someone, it is a sufi. We need more whirling, less hate. :P

(that and back home there is traditionally a huge Marijuana culture. We have all sorts of "mastool/mi7ashshish" jokes)

and fuck you country.


QuoteMy two cents, is that I completely support the ban of all types of smoking.

thank you for proving you are an asshole.

QuoteI really do. Why? Because it invades my privacy. If I am forced to inhale the smoke of others, I react similarly to someone stepping right up into my face. It's uncomfortable, and I have to move away. In some spots, that's troublesome, like when waiting for a bus in pissing rain, and someone lights up a blunt right next to you. Other times, I just get annoyed by the lack of respect from someone lighting a cigarette, full well knowing that someone else will feel bad from the smell and the expansion of the smoke, threatening to enter your lungs too.

here are some suggestions:

1-don't go to a place where you know there are lots of smokers
2-if a smoker walks into a place, you can just move away
3-grow a pair of testicles: if a man steps up to your face, you put your foot down
4-mind your fucking business.
5-if you totally need to be somewhere: just tell the guy to please smoke elsewhere.

no need to waste your people's tax dollars on this. the above is totally free, and works 99.9% of the time. failure at worst might lead to a broken nose.


QuoteSo what is different between smoking and drinking? Shouldn't they both be banned because they are toxic substances? Personally, I don't think so.

one is liquid the other isn't?

QuoteIf there was a way to inhale all the smoke, without breathing it out, and without the tip of the cigar burning, I would have no issue with it. Go ahead, kill your lung function. It's your own choice, I probably can't stop you. However, smoking is invasive on others. I don't have a choice but to accept the passive smoking, whereas you have a choice not to drink.

e-cigarrettes? the Hookah (it's just water vapor when done properly)? chewing tobacco--no smoke then?

and yes, you do have a choice: move away from the person. don't be in the same room. If you have to be in the room, politely tell him to smoke elsewhere. Why is this so hard to do? I do it all the time. I don't need some assholes in Austin, Denver, or DC, doing it for me.

also, "invasive"? dude, dude. whenever I breathe, I am going to be invading someone's space with my microbes. Whenever I walk into a place after work, I will be invading the air with dust. This is called "being alive". you should try it sometime.

and let us leave that for a minute: Alcohol's effects aren't invasive? So people don't drive drunk and kill people by the battalia every year? I don't know about you, but this is as invasive as it gets--murdering people because you couldn't be bothered with responsibility.

QuoteAbout marijuana, it's not poisenous. Sure, it smells like shit, but I am in no direct danger from it. The main issue with marijuana, compared to alcohol, is that people smoke it every day and reduce their brain function. Just as I get annoyed by drunks when sober, I get annoyed by people who are high. Also, in certain areas (*cough* Amsterdam, I'm looking at you *cough*), the stench of marijuana is so dense, that once again, the invasive argument counts. I'll be able to get high, just by my mere presence. That's way worse than drinking imo. For the tool bags who actually need to light up dat kush to chill out, you cease to be able to operate some time alright. That makes you no better than an alcoholic if you crave weed every day.

I do too don't like Marijuana. But shit, That's their problem, not yours. And no one said you had to be in Amsterdam....And doubtless you are exaggerating. I never got high from all the weed smoked in the rooms around me. Most students at CSU didn't. And reduces brain function? so does alcohol if you drink everyday. In fact, that would be way worse: Marijuana doesn't rot your liver.

and fuck, "crave" weed? didn't you learn anything about Marijuana that a two year old could grasp? Marijuana isn't addictive. there is no real "craving" of the drug. it's just that it feels good--like sex or making an A in class. it only differs from the two in that it is a generally ill-advised idea.

also, "tool bags"? I know people who regularly smoke weed. They are people who have more character, better brains, and less retard that you do.

and yeah, I'll say it: you are a pussy. Women have more balls than you do--let that sink in and remember it. Why? because you whine about other people doing what they want absent violence or fraud, and yet demand that some group of assholes who don't know you (i.e. Government), go and use the two against people over this. So you:

-can't stand people being people
-don't even have the balls to fight it yourself. you let government fight your battles for you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 05, 2014, 08:06:17 AM
>this fucking guy

Okay, so, I'm not going to quote everything he said, you can just read my response (http://www.shonengamez.com/forum/showthread.php?303-Smoking-and-weed-debate&p=6305&viewfull=1#post6305) to him, but everything in quotes is just beyond fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 05, 2014, 08:45:48 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 04, 2014, 03:30:48 PM
So, my mother is watching The Doctors are they are seriously pulling the "Why aren't chemicals banned abroad banned in the US?" Malarkey.

We were talking about that before the podcast. I hadn't seen it before, and the first time I watched it it seemed pretty good. But the next time I saw them do the "food is addictive because it creates dopamine" crap (don't they have a neurologist they can ask about things like this?), and then they had a lady doing a psychic diagnosis, which of course they went all ga-ga over like it totally worked, when in each and every case THEY had to tell HER what the diagnosis was!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 05, 2014, 11:09:19 AM
Quote from: D on August 05, 2014, 08:06:17 AM
>this fucking guy

Okay, so, I'm not going to quote everything he said, you can just read my response (http://www.shonengamez.com/forum/showthread.php?303-Smoking-and-weed-debate&p=6305&viewfull=1#post6305) to him, but everything in quotes is just beyond fail.

At least other people in the thread think he's off his rocker so I'd say a job well done D.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 05, 2014, 03:17:17 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 05, 2014, 08:45:48 AM
We were talking about that before the podcast. I hadn't seen it before, and the first time I watched it it seemed pretty good. But the next time I saw them do the "food is addictive because it creates dopamine" crap (don't they have a neurologist they can ask about things like this?), and then they had a lady doing a psychic diagnosis, which of course they went all ga-ga over like it totally worked, when in each and every case THEY had to tell HER what the diagnosis was!
Do you yell at the screen too?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 05, 2014, 04:22:37 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 05, 2014, 03:17:17 PM
Do you yell at the screen too?
I was too busy explaining it to my fiancee. It was a good performance and so easy to be taken in.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 05, 2014, 09:20:20 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 05, 2014, 08:45:48 AM
We were talking about that before the podcast. I hadn't seen it before, and the first time I watched it it seemed pretty good. But the next time I saw them do the "food is addictive because it creates dopamine" crap (don't they have a neurologist they can ask about things like this?), and then they had a lady doing a psychic diagnosis, which of course they went all ga-ga over like it totally worked, when in each and every case THEY had to tell HER what the diagnosis was!

IIRC, Dr. Oz IS a neurologist, one of the best in the country if you believe his PR. Or at least he was before Oprah.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on August 05, 2014, 09:46:31 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on July 27, 2014, 02:52:30 AM
So it seems this Halbig case is big news, though I can't help but think it's going to end with regular people getting screwed over somehow. Anyway!

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Another video, another roll of fail comments, this time by one Eero Haapala. Making it brief, here's the (current) end of the conversation:

Eero Haapala
When it comes to healthcare, government involvement works. Canada is an example.

Altimadark
Canada's excessive wait times and the government dismantling of mutual aid societies not withstanding, you yourself admitted corporatism is a problem in US healthcare, and you also agreed that corporatism requires government involvement.

So after a while, Eero just stopped. I thought he gave up, but nine days later, he finally responded. As a reminder, we were specifically talking about healthcare.

Eero Haapala
[The healthcare industry is] about a 50/50 mix of private & public in the United States. I never implied the NHS is without flaws but I see no problem with them charging people from other countries for healthcare, that's simple regulation. 
American politics is Orwellian. "FreedomWorks" = healthcare only for the rich. "Free Trade" & "Right to Work" = Outsourcing. "Freedom Industries" = poisoned water for 300,000 West Virginians. "Open for Business" = last year's West Texas fertilizer explosion that killed 15. "2nd Amendment" = leading the world with 25,000+ deadly shootings every year due to having the most guns in the world. "Liberation" = 100,000+ dead Iraqi civilians & 4,489 dead American soldiers. "Pro-life" = 500+ Rick Perry executions & Southern big government imposing trans-vaginal ultrasounds.

Real "Freedom!!!" is universal healthcare, universal education, universal daycare, nationalized energy industries, largely sustainable energy, 1 month of paid vacation time per law & world-leading gender equality In Norway, Sweden, Denmark & Finland.

Gog. Like a fool, I responded to each and every one of his points, and then, if that first response wasn't enough of a non-sequitur, this exchange occurs:

Altimadark
I agree with you on [the points I bolded]. These are also arguments against govt involvement.

American politics is Orwellian because politicians lie. Republicans claim to hate "spending" and be for "small government" but: - 7 trillion dollar Iraq War
-Hobby Lobby ruling is big government getting between a woman and her doctor
-GOP governors imposing solar taxes on consumers (bough & paid for by the oil & gas industry)
-Texas, Missouri & Oklahoma Republicans executing citizens is literally as BIG as government can get. 

Again, I agree with you on [these points]. Again, you are making arguments against govt involvement while claiming to be for it.

Look man, government should not be involved in regulating women's bodies (Hobby Lobby), banning drugs & banning happy consensual adults from marriage.

And I still agree with you on those points. Why do you keep bringing them up?

And I won't hide the fact that there was more to this conversation, but I have to wonder why he feels the need to continue to argue for things I agree with him on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 06, 2014, 04:33:27 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 06, 2014, 04:36:54 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 06, 2014, 04:33:27 PM
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why were they dumping it into the lake?

what about the need to grow crops?

so many questions...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 06, 2014, 04:39:03 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on August 06, 2014, 04:36:54 PM
why were they dumping it into the lake?

what about the need to grow crops?

so many questions...
And more importantly, who lets them get away with it in the first place? Passing *more* regulation doesn't do dick about the actual problems.  It's just feel good legislation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on August 06, 2014, 09:31:54 PM
http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/08/3136/ (http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/08/3136/)

QuoteStarting today, Twitch will be implementing technology intended to help broadcasters avoid the storage of videos containing unauthorized third-party audio.  We respect the rights of copyright owners, and are voluntarily undertaking this effort to help protect both our broadcasters and copyright owners.


What Is Audio Recognition?

We've partnered with Audible Magic, which works closely with the recorded music industry, to scan past and future VODs for music owned or controlled by clients of Audible Magic. This includes in-game and ambient music. When music in the Audible Magic database is detected ("Flagged Content"), the affected portion of the VOD will be muted and volume controls for that VOD will be turned off. Additionally, past broadcasts and highlights with Flagged Content are exportable but will remain muted.

The Audible Magic technology will scan for third party music in 30 minute blocks — if Audible Magic does not detect its clients' music, that portion of the VOD will not be muted. If third party audio is detected anywhere in the 30-minute scanned block, the entire 30 minutes will be muted.

Well I knew this would happen since the Google buyout
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on August 07, 2014, 12:59:22 AM
There's a joke from employees of Military contractors that build missiles:

"You build targets, we build the stuff that blows them up."

Here's the retort:

"If weren't for 'targets', you wouldn't be building missiles in the first place."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 07, 2014, 04:51:47 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 07, 2014, 12:14:50 PM
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Really, Being Liberal?!? The race card again.
Seriously, fuck these people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 07, 2014, 04:57:06 PM
Quote from: tnu on August 07, 2014, 04:51:47 AM
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So slavery is legit? Good to see you admitted it, OP.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 07, 2014, 05:06:56 PM
And my mom just can't let her gourmet bling/health food crap bogosity go.
I note that not only have I *not* been starving (*rolls eyes*) but I have not lost weight and even gained some weight.  Her response?
"Because of the white rice?"
*facepalms* No, because I wasn't in a caloric deficit.
I'll quote Armi Legge's article on Clean Eating: http://evidencemag.com/clean-eating/
"There is also no evidence that certain foods will accelerate fat loss at the same calorie intake, or that other foods will slow down or prevent fat loss. You could eat 43% of your calories from table sugar and still lose just as much fat as someone who only consumed 4% of their calories from sugar.92"

92. Surwit RS, Feinglos MN, McCaskill CC, et al. Metabolic and behavioral effects of a high-sucrose diet during weight loss. Am J Clin Nutr. 1997;65(4):908–915. Available at: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/65/4/908.full.pdf

Further strengthening those results was the use of DXA to measure body composition.  Sorry, but "empty calories" or "food stripped of its nutrients" or whatever you call it cannot override a Caloric Deficit.  We have over a century of weight loss research backing this up:  http://evidencemag.com/why-calories-count/
The truth is, you could get shredded eating nothing but HFCS and/or pure glucose deep fried in synthetic trans fats (or whatever other culinary bogeymen are currently in vogue).  Granted, you probably wouldn't enjoy that diet but in terms of *just* weight loss, Calories are all that matters.

In short, I do my homework on this stuff.  All these Armchair McExperts are NOT going to bluff their way through this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 07, 2014, 10:45:31 PM
This is Thunderf00t's comment in Stefan Molyneux's video defending adam carolla

Quote"sigh... hard core libertarians.
Everything is the boogie man cos its 'coercive redistribution of wealth' see 50:00
Kids cost ~ half a million dollars to raise/ feed/ educate etc.
Thats a necessary burden of society in that if there are no kids, our species is dead.
Its an overhead you cannot get around.
And you would be all in favour of not GIVING women $10 a month of birth control pills to ensure that a ~$500 000 of costs is handed in a more controlled manner.
For an someone who talks so much about economics, you sure cant spot a false economy.
...or lets take something else. How about the police force? Are you in favour of 'coercive redistribution of wealth' when it comes to ensuring an optimum level of security? If so then your whole argument about 'coercive redistribution of wealth' becomes moot as it can equally well be a good or a bad thing. It also means you have sat here demonomizing someone because of an irrelevance, where what you should really have been focusing on is ....is it better for society.
If you think there is no optimal level of 'coercive redistribution' funded policing, then isnt somalia your dream society?"

You know i think we need a little more 'coercive slavery' in this country. If you don't like it then you can go to somolia ;)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 08, 2014, 11:38:26 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on August 07, 2014, 10:45:31 PM
This is Thunderf00t's comment in Stefan Molyneux's video defending adam carolla

You know i think we need a little more 'coercive slavery' in this country. If you don't like it then you can go to somolia ;)
GG thunderf00t, the Somolia bit has been debunked and refuted scores of times.  More PRATT territory.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 08, 2014, 11:40:06 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on August 05, 2014, 09:20:20 PM
IIRC, Dr. Oz IS a neurologist, one of the best in the country if you believe his PR. Or at least he was before Oprah.
Actually, I think he was a cardiologist and heart surgeon...doesn't make his bogosity any less bogus.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 09, 2014, 07:07:54 AM
http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/A-case-of-a-guilty-conscience-405158014
This loon just doesn't know when to quit.  Declares himself a winner and has the nerve to bitch at ME about name calling.
Good lord I hate leftists, far far FAR more than I'll ever hate righties.  At least republicans give me some common courtesy when I talk to them unlike these unwashed neanderthals.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 09, 2014, 07:20:54 AM
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"Libertarians and anti-government extremists like the billionaire Koch brothers clearly have no idea how hard it is to make it into the American middle class and stay there.

Thanks to Being Liberal."
I agree with Hawkeye. Leftist are worst.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 09, 2014, 12:47:23 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 09, 2014, 07:20:54 AM
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"Libertarians and anti-government extremists like the billionaire Koch brothers clearly have no idea how hard it is to make it into the American middle class and stay there.

Thanks to Being Liberal."
I agree with Hawkeye. Leftist are worst.

it's not that hard (it isn't easy either): work, save money, don't fuck around.

Government should stay out of the way in the meantime, so as to facilitate the process.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 09, 2014, 01:30:06 PM
Not sure how many people follow The Legend of Korra, but I'm adding this recent arc as a Fail Quote.

The villains of this arc are the stereotype of anarchists who just want to bring chaos despite talking a good game of freedom and peace. In the latest episode, they just took down a queen and of course they set it up so that the people start rioting and looting to show the "immediate chaos" that anarchy brings.

What kills me is, this series, and even the prior series The Last Airbender has shown how evil the state can be, which even included genocide of an entire race of people at the hands of a Fire Nation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 09, 2014, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: D on August 09, 2014, 01:30:06 PM
Not sure how many people follow The Legend of Korra, but I'm adding this recent arc as a Fail Quote.

The villains of this arc are the stereotype of anarchists who just want to bring chaos despite talking a good game of freedom and peace. In the latest episode, they just took down a queen and of course they set it up so that the people start rioting and looting to show the "immediate chaos" that anarchy brings.

What kills me is, this series, and even the prior series The Last Airbender has shown how evil the state can be, which even included genocide of an entire race of people at the hands of a Fire Nation.
Spoiler alert.
Its not the first time Avatar has done something like this. In the comic The Search, Its revealed that Zuko isn't the son of Ozai, and the team throws a fit about how this would restart the war.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 09, 2014, 03:02:07 PM
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Quoteim anarchist I am anti government and anti capitalist. I hate politicians and capitalist passionately.

Quotepoliticians administer the state. the state being the violence that allows one person to own property that they do not interact with e.g. a house 100 miles away and extract rents from. capitalist had never existed without a state.

Quotecartels are long acknowledge to occur in capitalism, adam smith even noted this.

Quotecompetition. ancaps pretend that in a stateless society and with private armed forced under control of capitalists they would not use the force to remove competition. This is an image of a dead competing drug dealers

Quotethe private ownership of the means of production, has existed with a state. infact it is the state which enforces the exclusive rights of that private ownership.

Quoteno i am not, I am an anarchist. anarchy meaning without rulers. capitalism means that capitalist dominate the non property owners. as in a privately owned world one has to jump through the hoops of capitalist to access the means of life that are privately owned. and government means a violent force that can throw you in jail or take you to war.

I hate both.

Quotebecause in late stage capitalism capitalists capture the state entirely.

Quotesurely i do not have to define "the rich" for you. Taxation goes to pay the police force. the police are who comes and evicts people, say a family if they can not pay rent to the landlord. Without a state property could not become a commodity where little pieces of paper can be traded meaning the holder of the paper has restrictive control over property miles away they may never interact with.

Quotecapitalism is violence, violence is what is require for someone to control property they do not interact with and force the occupiers to pay rent or be evicted.

Quoteand no not paying rent is not violating the NAP as no landlords has been rush to hospital for not having rent paid to them. How ever police eviction a family because they lost their job etc is.

Quotecapitalism is a product of statism, as the state is what uphold private property.

Quotecapitalism is about the private ownership of the means of production, meaning if people try and use the property of the capitalist without paying them what they demand the state violence forces them off. Capitalism is violence.

Quotewho enforces private property? the state. sure the private owners decide what to do with the property. not disputing that, how ever i am point out the reality is it the police that enforces their exclusive control.

QuoteAnarcho-Capitalists must thus alter the argument as follows.

1) Theft is the forceful taking of another person's justly acquired property

2) Capitalist private property is legitimate

3) Expropriation is the compulsory taking of a capitalist's private property by the workers

4) Given 1-3 expropriation is a form of theft.

A anarchist can respond to this argument by denying (2) and thus if (2) is false it follows that a anarchist can accept the N.A.P while simultaneously advocating expropriation. Therefore, Anarcho-Capitalists are mistaken if they believe that they need only convince Anarchist of the truth of the N.A.P because a anarchist may accept its truth while denying the legitimacy of private property and so rejecting the Anarcho-Capitalist position. Rather, if Anarcho-Capitalists are to defend their position they must convince anarchist that private property is legitimate. If they do not the N.A.P is of no use to a defender of capitalism and is irrelevant to arguments for the morality or immorality of expropriation.

Quoteapitalism is all about take the fruit of other people's labour away, in a privately owned world someone must sell the only thing they have for a wage, themselves. to be able to access the means of life off the property owning class.

the wage worker must produce more value their what their wage could pay for, if they did not it would not be profit for the capitalist. in that sense the fruit of their labour is not their own buy taken by the capitalist and a % of it give back in the form of a wage. then a large part of that wage is given to their landlord. who sits with a piece of paper that means if they worker does not pay rent the police will make them homeless with the use of violence.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 09, 2014, 03:52:52 PM
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/09/libertarian-fantasies/ (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/09/libertarian-fantasies/)

Oh look: Paul Krugman is yet again writing another screed against libertarianism. I wonder if he will at least have anything new to say? Perhaps he will finally pose a new argument that no other statist has ever regurgitated for the umpteenth time.

QuoteWhen it comes to substance, libertarians are living in a fantasy world. Often that's quite literally true: Paul Ryan thinks that we're living in an Ayn Rand novel. More to the point, however, the libertarian vision of the society we actually have bears little resemblance to reality.

Or not.

QuoteMike Konczal takes on a specific example: the currently trendy idea among libertarians that we can make things much better by replacing the welfare state with a basic guaranteed income.

Uh, never heard that argued by a libertarian. Sounds more like a statist policy to me. We libertarians simply believe that private voluntary organizations will move in to replace the welfare state. This isn't exactly a fantasy. In fact, mutual aid societies were the norm (with some providing a year's worth of healthcare for one day's wages!) until government stepped in.

QuoteAnd what Konczal says about welfare is also true, although harder to quantify, for regulation. For sure there are wasteful and unnecessary government regulations — but not nearly as many as libertarians want to believe. When, for example, meddling bureaucrats tell you what you can and can't have in your dishwashing detergent, it turns out that there's a very good reason. America in 2014 is not India under the License Raj.

No unnecessary regulations? Good grief. Someone show Krugman the latest edition of Ten Thousand Commandments. And I think most food trucks, hair stylists, beer-brewing companies, and car sharing services would disagree with him there. These small businesses are being hampered through regulation at the benefit of larger businesses.

QuoteIn other words, libertarianism is a crusade against problems we don't have, or at least not to the extent the libertarians want to imagine.

Pay no attention to the drug war, police militarization, victimless crimes, monetary inflation, internet censorship, or other examples of big government that are apparent to anyone who reads the daily news.

QuoteNowhere is this better illustrated than in the case of monetary policy, where many libertarians are determined to stop the Fed from irresponsible money-printing — which is not, in fact, something it's doing.

Dude, have you noticed how far the value of our dollar has dropped since the Fed was first instituted? Or since the Gold Standard was repealed? Pretty damn far. Yeah, you scratch your head and wonder why wages have stagnated or why prices have risen or why Americans can no longer afford the same things that there parents or grandparents once could under their same circumstances. Inflation is why, you dimbulb!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 09, 2014, 03:57:10 PM
Quote from: tnu on August 09, 2014, 03:02:07 PM
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^maybe this could be the subject of a hawkeye vid. It could be like top 11 AnCom arguments

Also *screams in pillow at the stupidity and assholeness*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 09, 2014, 03:57:27 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 09, 2014, 07:20:54 AM
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"Libertarians and anti-government extremists like the billionaire Koch brothers clearly have no idea how hard it is to make it into the American middle class and stay there.

Thanks to Being Liberal."
I agree with Hawkeye. Leftist are worst.

Someone do me a favor and post this link in the comments of that stupid cartoon: http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/magazine/summer-2013/billionaires-self-made

QuoteOne of the papers presented at the recent annual meeting of the American Economic Association focused on the 400 richest individuals in the country ranked by Forbes magazine. The paper, "Family, Education, and Sources of Wealth Among the Richest Americans, 1982—2012," by Chicago Booth Professor Steven Neil Kaplan and Joshua Rauh of Stanford, found that fewer of those who made it on to the Forbes 400 list in recent years grew up wealthy than in previous decades.

Some 32 percent of the Forbes 400 in 2011 belonged to very rich families, down from 60 percent in 1982. On the other hand, the share of those in the Forbes 400 who didn't grow up wealthy but had some money in the family—the equivalent of the upper middle class—rose by the about same amount. The proportion of those in the list who grew up poor or had little wealth remained constant at roughly 20 percent throughout the same period.

Most individuals on the Forbes 400 list did not inherit the family business but rather made their own fortune. Kaplan and Rauh found that 69 percent of those on the list in 2011 started their own business, compared with only 40 percent in 1982. In other words, there are fewer people on the Forbes 400 list who came from an affluent background and eventually took over the family business, such as brothers David and Charles Koch (Koch Industries) and the Walton siblings (Wal-Mart), and more self-made people such as Bill Gates (Microsoft), Warren Buffet (Berkshire Hathaway), Philip Knight (Nike), and Stephen Schwarzman (Blackstone Group), who had an upper middle-class upbringing and eventually built their own successful companies.

Kaplan and Rauh also looked at the industries the Forbes 400 belonged to. They found that between 1982 and 2011 many more individuals involved in retail, restaurants, computer technology, and private finance—including hedge funds and private equity—entered the list than before, while fewer were in real estate and energy. Technology has become more important even in companies outside the computer industry—25.5 percent of the businesses run by the Forbes 400 in 2011 incorporated technology in their companies, up from 7.3 percent in 1982.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 09, 2014, 04:14:01 PM
Quote from: tnu on August 09, 2014, 03:02:07 PM
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What bullshit.  Drug Cartels are only a thing because of government prohibition of drugs.  Or as a result of GOVERNMENT policy.  I mean, what, do Budweiser and the other beer companies get into firefights with their competitors? No, but Al Capone did during the era of alcohol prohibition.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 09, 2014, 05:00:15 PM
Quote from: tnu on August 09, 2014, 03:02:07 PM
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Don't need a vid, just this.

*Shows pictures of victims of drone strikes and other bombings by the US*

Statists: Collateral damage!

I rest my case.  If you're gonna play the moral outrage game, go for gold or go home folks.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 09, 2014, 06:31:54 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 09, 2014, 11:07:11 PM
Quote from: D on August 09, 2014, 01:30:06 PMNot sure how many people follow The Legend of Korra, but I'm adding this recent arc as a Fail Quote.

The villains of this arc are the stereotype of anarchists who just want to bring chaos despite talking a good game of freedom and peace. In the latest episode, they just took down a queen and of course they set it up so that the people start rioting and looting to show the "immediate chaos" that anarchy brings.

What kills me is, this series, and even the prior series The Last Airbender has shown how evil the state can be, which even included genocide of an entire race of people at the hands of a Fire Nation.

This is actually why I prefer the LOK to the original series. Its villains are far more complex with more ambiguous motives. The Fire Lord was a badass villain, but his character was limited to "I'm evil! I wanna take over the world!" (Of course!)

Here, the villains don't have bad motives. If anything, you could say they want to make the world a better place. Amon wanted to unite benders and non-benders by making them all equal. Tarrlok wanted to unite the human and spirit world once again. And now, you have Zaheer wanting to bring an end to tyranny and oppression. Their motives are not bad. It's how they're trying to go about them, with them justifying their means with the end.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 10, 2014, 06:35:25 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 09, 2014, 11:07:11 PM
This is actually why I prefer the LOK to the original series. Its villains are far more complex with more ambiguous motives. The Fire Lord was a badass villain, but his character was limited to "I'm evil! I wanna take over the world!" (Of course!)

Here, the villains don't have bad motives. If anything, you could say they want to make the world a better place. Amon wanted to unite benders and non-benders by making them all equal. Tarrlok wanted to unite the human and spirit world once again. And now, you have Zaheer wanting to bring an end to tyranny and oppression. Their motives are not bad. It's how they're trying to go about them, with them justifying their means with the end.

But it's not just the villains themselves, it's the fact that the minute the Earth Queen is taken out, of course they have everyone rioting and looting to try and prove Kora right that not having a government automatically means mass chaos. That's what I find to be pure bullshit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 10, 2014, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: D on August 10, 2014, 06:35:25 AM
But it's not just the villains themselves, it's the fact that the minute the Earth Queen is taken out, of course they have everyone rioting and looting to try and prove Kora right that not having a government automatically means mass chaos. That's what I find to be pure bullshit.
You could argue that people were angry at the government and were getting payback while they could.
Devil's advocate.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 10, 2014, 02:52:11 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 10, 2014, 02:44:29 PM
You could argue that people were angry at the government and were getting payback while they could.
Devil's advocate.

You could argue that, but it wasn't why they were trying to convey. It was obvious it was seen as immediate chaos rather than people happy to be freed from a tyrant.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 10, 2014, 06:25:32 PM
Quote from: D on August 10, 2014, 02:52:11 PM
You could argue that, but it wasn't why they were trying to convey. It was obvious it was seen as immediate chaos rather than people happy to be freed from a tyrant.

Happy people freed from a tyrant may take revenge against whomever the tyrant favored, as happened in East Germany and Romania (in both of which, for example, the secret police ran disinformation ops to direct the mobs away from their actual offices while they desperately tried to burn their files, the sheer volume of which particularly blocked the action in East Germany).  Every tyrant has to favor some group, or there's nobody who will want to prop the tyrant up against general discontent.  When the tyrant falls (as they inevitably do, at some point), it tends to turn into a bad day to be in that group.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 10, 2014, 06:27:51 PM
Quote from: D on August 10, 2014, 02:52:11 PM
You could argue that, but it wasn't why they were trying to convey. It was obvious it was seen as immediate chaos rather than people happy to be freed from a tyrant.
I just rewatched that section of the episode and there was no looting shown.
In fact the reverse happened, People celebrated when the wall came down.
I saw little chaos so far.
Maybe, in the next episode they show something fail worthy, what you described didn't happen.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 10, 2014, 07:17:45 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 10, 2014, 06:27:51 PM
I just rewatched that section of the episode and there was no looting shown.
In fact the reverse happened, People celebrated when the wall came down.
I saw little chaos so far.
Maybe, in the next episode they show something fail worthy, what you described didn't happen.

They didn't actually SHOW the looting, but they had a radio broadcast saying the looting happened with the Avatar saying "This is only the beginning" under a negative context. It's obviously implied that what happened was a BAD thing and the fact that the makers of this series are throwing this as a bad thing that just happened. It's blatantly said that there was rioting and looting on the radio broadcast and that the kingdom went into mass chaos. Sure, you could argue that the guy might have just been a shill, but it's obvious that the makers of this series are going with the "this is bad" route. I'll keep watching to see if they make this a learning experience for Kora to embrace the idea of anarchism, but I highly doubt they're going to go there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 10, 2014, 08:18:16 PM
Quote from: D on August 10, 2014, 07:17:45 PM
They didn't actually SHOW the looting, but they had a radio broadcast saying the looting happened with the Avatar saying "This is only the beginning" under a negative context. It's obviously implied that what happened was a BAD thing and the fact that the makers of this series are throwing this as a bad thing that just happened. It's blatantly said that there was rioting and looting on the radio broadcast and that the kingdom went into mass chaos. Sure, you could argue that the guy might have just been a shill, but it's obvious that the makers of this series are going with the "this is bad" route. I'll keep watching to see if they make this a learning experience for Kora to embrace the idea of anarchism, but I highly doubt they're going to go there.
The radio said ba sing se is in chaos, not the earth kingdom, and that looters and rioters were overrunning the palace, they might be leaving the rest of ba sing se alone, since they live there. That's something normal when a corrupt and oppressive ruler is killed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 10, 2014, 11:19:39 PM
With most of Shane's videos touching upon universal healthcare systems such as the NHS, out of curiosity, I decided to search "NHS" on Tumblr: https://www.tumblr.com/search/nhs

Every. Single. Darn. Post. Praises. It.

Not surprisingly, most of them are Brits. They think their healthcare system is so perfect. We're Americans and we can see the problems permeating their system. What's their excuse?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 11, 2014, 09:05:48 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 10, 2014, 11:19:39 PM
Not surprisingly, most of them are Brits. They think their healthcare system is so perfect. We're Americans and we can see the problems permeating their system. What's their excuse?

As I pointed out, they DO see the problems and they scream at their politicians to fix them. But there's something that happens when they talk with Americans and the rest of the world that makes them defend it like it's their religion.

Pretty much EVERY Brit I've talked to one-on-one thinks the NHS is a joke at best, hideous at worst. This is also borne out in their television: the NHS is portrayed as bureaucratic, inefficient, and the butt of jokes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2014, 11:40:35 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 11, 2014, 09:05:48 AM
As I pointed out, they DO see the problems and they scream at their politicians to fix them. But there's something that happens when they talk with Americans and the rest of the world that makes them defend it like it's their religion.

Pretty much EVERY Brit I've talked to one-on-one thinks the NHS is a joke at best, hideous at worst. This is also borne out in their television: the NHS is portrayed as bureaucratic, inefficient, and the butt of jokes.
Sounds like cult mentality.  In private, yeah, they know it's bogus, but in public where Big Brother is watching them, they don't want to appear as part of the "Not-We" so they defend it like any other cultist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 12, 2014, 12:32:45 PM
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/08/12/robin-williams-brings-joy-to-the-hearts-of-journalists-and-politicians-once-again/

I understand PZ Meyer's frustration over the news media sensationalizing Robin William's death and hyper-focusing on it rather than on more penitent issues, but, seriously, his recent comments give me a bad taste in my mouth:

QuoteI'm sorry to report that comedian Robin Williams has committed suicide, an event of great import and grief to his family. But his sacrifice has been a great boon to the news cycle and the electoral machinery — thank God that we have a tragedy involving a wealthy white man to drag us away from the depressing news about brown people....Boy, I hate to say it, but it sure was nice of Robin Williams to create such a spectacular distraction.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 12, 2014, 01:17:21 PM
Every single comment djancak has left on this video:  [yt]0fuq8Zgwrwk[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on August 12, 2014, 07:44:17 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pro-life-site-robin-williams-abortion (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pro-life-site-robin-williams-abortion)

QuoteThe pro-life site Life News on Tuesday published a piece suggesting that an abortion in actor Robin Williams' past may have contributed to the depression he struggled with throughout his life.

I think this Gif is appropriate

(http://rs22.pbsrc.com/albums/b315/tempestwithin/Icons%20and%20Avatars/1552497-4.gif~c200)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 12, 2014, 07:48:17 PM
Quote from: Dukect45 on August 12, 2014, 07:44:17 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pro-life-site-robin-williams-abortion (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/pro-life-site-robin-williams-abortion)

I think this Gif is appropriate

(http://rs22.pbsrc.com/albums/b315/tempestwithin/Icons%20and%20Avatars/1552497-4.gif~c200)
Just...wow...stay classy anti-abortion people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 12, 2014, 11:01:10 PM
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I'm sensing some projection here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 13, 2014, 05:56:27 PM
http://www.alternet.org/belief/why-atheist-libertarians-are-part-americas-1-problem?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 13, 2014, 07:08:15 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on August 13, 2014, 05:56:27 PM
http://www.alternet.org/belief/why-atheist-libertarians-are-part-americas-1-problem?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark
We better not play a drinking game to this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 13, 2014, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 13, 2014, 07:08:15 PM
We better not play a drinking game to this.

Awww  :-[
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 14, 2014, 08:30:25 AM
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So, let me get this straight: Libertarians warn you for YEARS about the erosion of free speech and the militarization of police, and you laugh at us and call us kooks and crazies, then what we've been warning you about ACTUALLY HAPPENS, and you say WE are the ones who lacked outrage.

Liberals: all about Orwellian revisionism and refusal to take accountability.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 14, 2014, 12:38:38 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on August 13, 2014, 10:17:46 PM
Awww  :-[
Well, everyone, but the non drinkers would die of alcohol poisoning.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 14, 2014, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 14, 2014, 12:38:38 PM
Well, everyone, but the non drinkers would die of alcohol poisoning.

And the rest of us would die from dilutional hyponatremia.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 14, 2014, 04:06:29 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 14, 2014, 03:58:17 PM
And the rest of us would die from dilutional hyponatremia.
Ha ha ha ha. ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 14, 2014, 08:23:23 PM
http://thewaterpipe.wordpress.com/2014/04/25/why-criticism-of-communism-is-misogyny/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 14, 2014, 08:26:46 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on August 14, 2014, 08:23:23 PM
http://thewaterpipe.wordpress.com/2014/04/25/why-criticism-of-communism-is-misogyny/

Da, comrade! We have just as many women in the gulags as men!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 14, 2014, 10:02:49 PM
[yt]0bWAOXlgBDg[/yt]

Really? REALLY?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 14, 2014, 10:36:04 PM
Quote from: D on August 14, 2014, 10:02:49 PM
[yt]0bWAOXlgBDg[/yt]

Really? REALLY?!

aaaaaaand unsubscribe
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 14, 2014, 11:32:12 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/opinion/paul-krugman-the-libertarian-fantasy.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on August 14, 2014, 11:40:11 PM
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/mike-brown-law-requires-all-state-county-and-local-police-wear-camera/8tlS5czf

Wow. I agree that bad police need to be held accountable, but this started looking like an Obamacare analog just pondering the logistics.

Remember when people got arrested or their phones/cameras confiscated simply for recording police? That's something worth petitioning against, not this ill-conceived "solution" which ignores both logistics and the law of unintended consequences.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 15, 2014, 05:00:21 AM
Think of it as a on person Black Box.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on August 15, 2014, 12:13:56 PM
http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/370901-if-you-were-ferguson-police-chief-how-would-you-stop-the-riots-looting-2.html (http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/370901-if-you-were-ferguson-police-chief-how-would-you-stop-the-riots-looting-2.html)

Hey you know what would've been a great idea to stop the looting in Ferguson Air strikes

QuoteI would have machine gunned the lot of them and had air strikes on their homes.

I honestly don't know why I even go on this board anymore
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on August 15, 2014, 12:19:33 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on August 14, 2014, 11:40:11 PM
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/mike-brown-law-requires-all-state-county-and-local-police-wear-camera/8tlS5czf

Wow. I agree that bad police need to be held accountable, but this started looking like an Obamacare analog just pondering the logistics.

Remember when people got arrested or their phones/cameras confiscated simply for recording police? That's something worth petitioning against, not this ill-conceived "solution" which ignores both logistics and the law of unintended consequences.

I honestly think this is a good idea I mean they are trying it with the San Diego police and its working out there

http://voiceofsandiego.org/2014/03/28/fact-check-do-police-cameras-decrease-police-complaints/ (http://voiceofsandiego.org/2014/03/28/fact-check-do-police-cameras-decrease-police-complaints/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 15, 2014, 01:53:30 PM
Quote from: Dukect45 on August 15, 2014, 12:19:33 PM
I honestly think this is a good idea I mean they are trying it with the San Diego police and its working out there

http://voiceofsandiego.org/2014/03/28/fact-check-do-police-cameras-decrease-police-complaints/ (http://voiceofsandiego.org/2014/03/28/fact-check-do-police-cameras-decrease-police-complaints/)

The only problem I can see is that it puts the individual officer in control of the recording device. "Oops, my lapel obscured the camera." "Oops, the mic got disconnected."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 15, 2014, 01:58:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 15, 2014, 01:53:30 PM
The only problem I can see is that it puts the individual officer in control of the recording device. "Oops, my lapel obscured the camera." "Oops, the mic got disconnected."

Sounds to me like the solution to that is to keep recording on your own anyway. This way, there is two video sources, and it means no one can lie about the situation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FeatheredTerror on August 15, 2014, 02:04:48 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-sharks-dont-deserve-their-own-week/

Now, I never got into Shark Week and I hate how it's become about showing fake Megalodon documentaries, but the reasons listed here are just stupid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 15, 2014, 06:51:00 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 14, 2014, 08:26:46 PM
Da, comrade! We have just as many women in the gulags as men!

tovarish Killian! that is true! only evil fascist imperialist misogynists talk smack of communism! 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 15, 2014, 08:38:27 PM
A "friend" just put this on facebook.
"I hate anarcho-capitalism and brutalism. (<- That's a period.) Please, if you identify as an egoist, brutalist, or anarcho-capitalist, just defriend. Our ideals aren't compatible. You think you're so incredibly smart but, trust me, I've heard it all before. You believe you are the ultimate advocates of peace and freedom when you are in fact the brainwashed advocates of neoreactionary slavery and war. No exaggeration."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 15, 2014, 09:05:46 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 15, 2014, 08:38:27 PM
A "friend" just put this on facebook.
"I hate anarcho-capitalism and brutalism. (<- That's a period.) Please, if you identify as an egoist, brutalist, or anarcho-capitalist, just defriend. Our ideals aren't compatible. You think you're so incredibly smart but, trust me, I've heard it all before. You believe you are the ultimate advocates of peace and freedom when you are in fact the brainwashed advocates of neoreactionary slavery and war. No exaggeration."

>brainwatched advocates for neoreactionary slavery

Must be nice to be able to make up bullshit terms on the fly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 16, 2014, 09:56:58 AM
Quote from: D on August 15, 2014, 09:05:46 PM
>brainwatched advocates for neoreactionary slavery

Must be nice to be able to make up bullshit terms on the fly.

And what the hell is a 'brutalist'?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 16, 2014, 10:32:15 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on August 16, 2014, 09:56:58 AM
And what the hell is a 'brutalist'?

Last I knew, it had something to do with buildings. You can ask Jeffery Tucker about that one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 16, 2014, 08:19:30 PM
Quote from: D on August 15, 2014, 09:05:46 PM
>brainwatched advocates for neoreactionary slavery

Must be nice to be able to make up bullshit terms on the fly.
Just posted this
"Anarcho-capitalists are very firm, immovable, advocates of feudalism, chattel slavery, and plutocracy - even if they don't know it. The rich can aggress against the poor when the poor are excluded from an organized form of defense."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 16, 2014, 08:23:09 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 16, 2014, 08:19:30 PM
Just posted this
"Anarcho-capitalists are very firm, immovable, advocates of feudalism, chattel slavery, and plutocracy - even if they don't know it. The rich can aggress against the poor when the poor are excluded from an organized form of defense."
@The post's OP:  Citation Needed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 16, 2014, 08:30:30 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 16, 2014, 08:19:30 PM
Just posted this
"Anarcho-capitalists are very firm, immovable, advocates of feudalism, chattel slavery, and plutocracy - even if they don't know it. The rich can aggress against the poor when the poor are excluded from an organized form of defense."

If I were you, I'd ask him if he's having trouble seeing. With his head so firmly up his own ass, it must be pretty dark.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 16, 2014, 10:03:27 PM
The Department of Labor (http://www.dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm) has this laughably baffling bullshit up about Minimum Wage.

Here's a thing of note. They don't cite a single source for anything, despite claiming all these studies and academic papers. You know something's bullshit when they stay nice and vague.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 17, 2014, 04:25:07 PM
This page on the American Cancer Society is just full of fail: http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/tobaccocancer/questionsaboutsmokingtobaccoandhealth/questions-about-smoking-tobacco-and-health-e-cigarettes

Example: "A study done by the FDA found cancer-causing substances in half the e-cigarette samples tested." You can say the same thing about coffee. The question is, HOW MUCH?

"Other impurities were also found, including one sample with diethylene glycol, a toxic ingredient found in antifreeze." Yeah, and it had dihydrogen monoxide as well, another toxic ingredient found in antifreeze. Come on--this is Food Babe-level fail!

"Because the American Cancer Society doesn't yet know whether e-cigarettes are safe and effective, we cannot recommend them to help people quit smoking." The fact that they've been shown to ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE QUIT SMOKING apparently doesn't enter into their thinking. We can't show they're safe, so RUN! RUN FOR THE HILLS!

Here's the real crowning fail: "Like e-cigarettes, these new products need to be researched and regulated." Since they "need to be researched," they don't know how safe they are (as they repeatedly state throughout the article). But they also say they "need to be...regulated." So even though THEY DON'T KNOW (which is ridiculous, the science is in), they already know they need to be regulated. No matter WHAT the research says.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 17, 2014, 04:49:45 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 17, 2014, 04:25:07 PM
This page on the American Cancer Society is just full of fail: http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/tobaccocancer/questionsaboutsmokingtobaccoandhealth/questions-about-smoking-tobacco-and-health-e-cigarettes

Example: "A study done by the FDA found cancer-causing substances in half the e-cigarette samples tested." You can say the same thing about coffee. The question is, HOW MUCH?

"Other impurities were also found, including one sample with diethylene glycol, a toxic ingredient found in antifreeze." Yeah, and it had dihydrogen monoxide as well, another toxic ingredient found in antifreeze. Come on--this is Food Babe-level fail!

"Because the American Cancer Society doesn't yet know whether e-cigarettes are safe and effective, we cannot recommend them to help people quit smoking." The fact that they've been shown to ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE QUIT SMOKING apparently doesn't enter into their thinking. We can't show they're safe, so RUN! RUN FOR THE HILLS!

Here's the real crowning fail: "Like e-cigarettes, these new products need to be researched and regulated." Since they "need to be researched," they don't know how safe they are (as they repeatedly state throughout the article). But they also say they "need to be...regulated." So even though THEY DON'T KNOW (which is ridiculous, the science is in), they already know they need to be regulated. No matter WHAT the research says.
The first quote reminds me of this gem of a short article by Alan Aragon:
alanaragon.com/protein-scare-mongering-courtesy-of-consumer-reports.html
I'll post the crowning jewel of it here:

Quote from: Alan Aragon
A very important detail is also noted by Cytosport, regarding the shadiness of the endeavor. CR slickly based its calculations of the United States Pharmacopeia (USP) permitted daily exposure limits on a bodyweight of 50 kg or 110 lbs [2]. Using the extreme low-end of adult bodyweight makes it easy to cook up a gripping tale and claim that the amounts exceed safety limits.

Optimum Nutrition (maker of Gold Standard Whey & Platimum Hydrowhey) posted a response comparing the lead, arsenic, and cadmium content of more than 3-dozen 'regular' foods with the protein powders tested by CR. The facts put things into perspective really quick. Many of these commonly consumed foods absolutely blow away the heavy metal content of the protein powders. Instead of selecting a few examples that stick out to me, I'd encourage anyone to have a look at the entire list, and then relax a little about your protein supps [3]. 
Note that his sources are in the article itself.  What's more, it brings up another point about food processing that's often left out of the hysterics:  it can also mean removal of REAL toxins.  Like the worms that cause Trichinosis in pork being no longer a thing (thanks modern pork processing. :) ) and here in protein powder.  It isn't just black and white of processing = teh ebil!  A silly childish caricature if there was one.

And yeah, it's this kind of chicken little scaremongering by government health officials that likely causes many in the strength community (esp. Powerlifters) to develop an anti-science attitude (e.g. DON'T EAT EGG YOLK IT HAS CHOLESTEROL IT WILL GIVE YOU A HEART ATTACK!!1111).  While the strength community's sometimes anti-science, given the even stupider crap from govco and their cronies in health sciences, I personally don't blame them (and even sympathize & empathize).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 17, 2014, 07:07:24 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 17, 2014, 04:25:07 PM
Come on--this is Food Babe-level fail!
>>Food Babe
If I Google that will I become stupider or just angry?  What was the deal with it, if you don't mind my asking?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 17, 2014, 08:07:08 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on August 17, 2014, 07:07:24 PM
>>Food Babe
If I Google that will I become stupider or just angry?  What was the deal with it, if you don't mind my asking?

Imagine someone who sees dihydrogen monoxide everywhere.

If you remember that whole bit about that ingredient in Subway's bread that was taken out because it was also used in yoga mats, even though there wasn't the first thing wrong with putting it in bread, that was Food Babe that started that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 17, 2014, 10:08:30 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 17, 2014, 08:07:08 PM
Imagine someone who sees dihydrogen monoxide everywhere.

If you remember that whole bit about that ingredient in Subway's bread that was taken out because it was also used in yoga mats, even though there wasn't the first thing wrong with putting it in bread, that was Food Babe that started that.
Oh wow.  So one Google Search later and I find they are everything wrong with people when it comes to food:  anti-GMO, spreading bullshit about companies and ingredients they use, etc.  Good lord, would it kill these people to know that not all chemicals are teh ebil and toxic? Christ.

@Food Babe people:  Go frolick in an organic wheatgrass field to spare us your self-righteous noise and let the rest of us enjoy our food in peace.  Or barring that, take a chemistry course or two, you scientifically illiterate panic-scaremongers.

One more way the left is anti-science it seems, if this anti-GMO/anti-nuclear/etc stuff is any indicator.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 18, 2014, 01:23:26 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on August 16, 2014, 09:56:58 AM
And what the hell is a 'brutalist'?
Arent those the big rhino like Zerg?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 18, 2014, 07:39:41 PM
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism
Poisoning the well right out the gate.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 18, 2014, 08:04:21 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 18, 2014, 07:39:41 PM
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism
Poisoning the well right out the gate.
Rational Wiki is a joke.  It's basically a statheist Wikipedia masquerading around as a skeptic's wiki.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2014, 06:11:56 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2014, 07:37:47 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 19, 2014, 07:56:48 PM
Quote from: D on August 19, 2014, 07:37:47 PM
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Dammit I was just about to post that xD

I should demilitarize first? Okay *gets shot by police*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on August 20, 2014, 01:12:39 PM
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The video is fine but the comment section I mean good lord so many Holocaust deniers ugh 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on August 20, 2014, 03:25:25 PM
The statists have proven us wrong. The pop-tart gun suspension isn't the stupidest thing to come out of the zero-tolerance policy.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/20/teen-arrested-suspended-for-shooting-a-d (http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/20/teen-arrested-suspended-for-shooting-a-d)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 20, 2014, 06:43:34 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on August 20, 2014, 03:25:25 PM
The statists have proven us wrong. The pop-tart gun suspension isn't the stupidest thing to come out of the zero-tolerance policy.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/20/teen-arrested-suspended-for-shooting-a-d (http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/20/teen-arrested-suspended-for-shooting-a-d)

I'd hate to see what would have happened if he made a remake of Heart of Darkness...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 21, 2014, 12:20:42 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20307_5-diabolical-ways-your-body-tricks-you-into-being-fat.html
#5--So the old "food is addictive!" bullshit.  Next!
#4, #3--These two contradict each other.  So...if I have a good sense of taste/smell, I'll overeat...if I have a crappy sense of taste/smell, I'll *still* overeat...wut?
#2--Sensationalist and vague wording that means nothing.
#1--If that were true, we'd have seen this deal with obesity over half a century ago after the Great Depression ended and starvation was no longer a thing in the USA.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 21, 2014, 12:55:44 PM
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From roughly 1:03:00 onward...
Then there's the stuff about Stef filing a DMCA...that his fanbase is defending.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 21, 2014, 06:00:17 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on August 21, 2014, 12:55:44 PM
Then there's the stuff about Stef filing a DMCA...that his fanbase is defending.

What, does he want another Idiot Extraordinaire?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 21, 2014, 06:02:42 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 21, 2014, 06:00:17 PM
What, does he want another Idiot Extraordinaire?
I was going to nominate him if you hadn't already picked someone else. If you haven't already, I'd suggest watching the other video from the posted timestamp onward...I put it in fail quotes for a reason.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 21, 2014, 07:00:06 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 21, 2014, 06:00:17 PM
What, does he want another Idiot Extraordinaire?

What did he do the last time he got that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 21, 2014, 07:07:59 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on August 21, 2014, 07:00:06 PM
What did he do the last time he got that?

Complained about people donating less than $2 to him or something along those lines.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 21, 2014, 09:03:35 PM
Quote from: D on August 21, 2014, 07:07:59 PM
Complained about people donating less than $2 to him or something along those lines.

not merely that he complained, but the way he treated the ones who did.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 22, 2014, 02:10:46 PM
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Ok, we you stop stealing my tax dollars.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 22, 2014, 04:03:02 PM
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https://members.cpo.on.ca/public_register/show/19048?section=discipline#ui-tabs-12
Fail because of Stef's actions and words.

EDIT: Okay, I've compiled things into a post of mine on Google Plus:
https://plus.google.com/116593195967885611442/posts/9tRtxc5sGcF
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 22, 2014, 06:36:58 PM
Quote
What, does he want another Idiot Extraordinaire?

I wouldn't jump the gun, all we have is a few screenshots with no context and considering it's from the kind of youtuber who thinks screaming "CULTIST!" at anything he doesn't like constitutes an argument, I'd take everything he says with great bucket loads of salt.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on August 22, 2014, 06:51:17 PM
Quote from: Dukect45 on August 20, 2014, 01:12:39 PM
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The video is fine but the comment section I mean good lord so many Holocaust deniers ugh

How the hell are these holocaust deniers so fucking popular? With all the evidence, I'm surprised so many people deny it happened. Then again there are quite a lot of moon hoaxers around on the net.

 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 22, 2014, 07:02:58 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 22, 2014, 06:36:58 PM
I wouldn't jump the gun, all we have is a few screenshots with no context and considering it's from the kind of youtuber who thinks screaming "CULTIST!" at anything he doesn't like constitutes an argument, I'd take everything he says with great bucket loads of salt.

Actually, there is more than just screenshots.

There's the fact that the youtuber in question had their channel terminated (https://www.youtube.com/user/TruShibes/videos) as well as the fact that Michael DeMarco (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140821/18211228288/anarcho-capitalist-stefan-molyneux-who-doesnt-support-copyright-abuses-dmca-to-silence-critic.shtml) who apparently works for Free Domain Radio even admitted to it under the dubious claim that, "some of the people who had called in to Molyneux's talk show had been harassed." TruShibes however did not do that. He merely used the videos he posted to point out what he believed were Stef's hypocritical moments, as well as to show off what he believed was bullying towards callers.

Now, either this is a massive oversight, or Molyneux is claiming to be against DMCA, only when it's convenient to him. Of course he can easily clear the air and explain what happened, but until he does, the evidence is damning.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 22, 2014, 07:34:59 PM
Quote from: D on August 22, 2014, 07:02:58 PM
Actually, there is more than just screenshots.

There's the fact that the youtuber in question had their channel terminated (https://www.youtube.com/user/TruShibes/videos) as well as the fact that Michael DeMarco (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140821/18211228288/anarcho-capitalist-stefan-molyneux-who-doesnt-support-copyright-abuses-dmca-to-silence-critic.shtml) who apparently works for Free Domain Radio even admitted to it under the dubious claim that, "some of the people who had called in to Molyneux's talk show had been harassed." TruShibes however did not do that. He merely used the videos he posted to point out what he believed were Stef's hypocritical moments, as well as to show off what he believed was bullying towards callers.

Now, either this is a massive oversight, or Molyneux is claiming to be against DMCA, only when it's convenient to him. Of course he can easily clear the air and explain what happened, but until he does, the evidence is damning.

The funny thing is, even if it is true, the case against statism still holds so it's all pissing in the wind anyway.  It's all just yet more distractions, desperate tactics by desperate fools as always.

I have to say, I do find the "dubious" claim to actually probably be the most believable.  There's vids going after Stef all over youtube and have been for years.  It REALLY doesn't make any sense that he'd suddenly do it now for those reasons.  In other words, if he was out to censor dissent, he'd have done it a LONG time ago.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 22, 2014, 08:25:09 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 22, 2014, 07:34:59 PM
The funny thing is, even if it is true, the case against statism still holds so it's all pissing in the wind anyway.  It's all just yet more distractions, desperate tactics by desperate fools as always.

I don't think anyone here was arguing whether or not arguments against statism hold. If anything, that's irrelevant to the point at hand.

However, for the sake of argument, I'll play devil's advocate here, I recall not too long ago when you yourself stated that it's okay to appeal to hypocrisy when denouncing an argument. I'll even post your exact words in response to Fennec stating you can't appeal to hypocrisy (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=2552.30):
Quote from: Lord T HawkeyeActually yes it does because I already said, these people know the topic far better than I do and their actions suggest that they don't believe it or at least don't think it's that big a deal.  So if they know better than I do and they don't believe it, that's all I need.

So does that still hold true or are we done with that?


QuoteI have to say, I do find the "dubious" claim to actually probably be the most believable.  There's vids going after Stef all over youtube and have been for years.  It REALLY doesn't make any sense that he'd suddenly do it now for those reasons.  In other words, if he was out to censor dissent, he'd have done it a LONG time ago.

Then again, why not clear the air himself? Why doesn't he say that was why himself? The guy who claims to have done it works for Molyneux, meaning he represents him and the Free Domain Radio name. Again though, this also comes down to the fact that the channel in question that was taken down didn't do what they claimed was the reason the DMCAs were sent for in the first place.

If this was not an oversight by Stefan, then it still says something. You don't get to be the guy who says it's wrong to use the gun of government to stop people, while using a tool of government, in this case DMCA, to shut down other channels, regardless of the reason. That is being a hypocrite.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 22, 2014, 08:51:17 PM
Quote from: D on August 22, 2014, 08:25:09 PM
I don't think anyone here was arguing whether or not arguments against statism hold. If anything, that's irrelevant to the point at hand.

Oh they'll sneak that in.  Just watch.

QuoteHowever, for the sake of argument, I'll play devil's advocate here, I recall not too long ago when you yourself stated that it's okay to appeal to hypocrisy when denouncing an argument. I'll even post your exact words in response to Fennec stating you can't appeal to hypocrisy (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=2552.30):
So does that still hold true or are we done with that?

Like I said, I REALLY don't buy the idea that it was done to silence dissent.  The man has had that for decades now.  Why these vids?  Why now?  This whole thing just has "we're not getting the whole story" written all over it.  For all we know, the vids could have contained libel, threats or personal info of people.

QuoteThen again, why not clear the air himself? Why doesn't he say that was why himself? The guy who claims to have done it works for Molyneux, meaning he represents him and the Free Domain Radio name. Again though, this also comes down to the fact that the channel in question that was taken down didn't do what they claimed was the reason the DMCAs were sent for in the first place.

If this was not an oversight by Stefan, then it still says something. You don't get to be the guy who says it's wrong to use the gun of government to stop people, while using a tool of government, in this case DMCA, to shut down other channels, regardless of the reason. That is being a hypocrite.

And that's the other thing, it wasn't Stef himself, it was his employee.  We don't even know if Stef is even aware of the incident.  I mean, the idea that he just woke up one day and said "I think I'll start having my critics censored" just does not add up at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 22, 2014, 08:59:38 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 22, 2014, 07:34:59 PM
The funny thing is, even if it is true, the case against statism still holds....

that maybe so. However:

QuoteIt's all just yet more distractions, desperate tactics by desperate fools as always.

I wouldn't call this a regular distraction...you are right that some may take advantage of this, but so what? I find the fact that someone used a false DMCA to be pretty damning as it is--regardless of the reasons.

QuoteI have to say, I do find the "dubious" claim to actually probably be the most believable.  There's vids going after Stef all over youtube and have been for years.  It REALLY doesn't make any sense that he'd suddenly do it now for those reasons.  In other words, if he was out to censor dissent, he'd have done it a LONG time ago.

totally irrelevant. So what if his reasons were "believable"? what is he doing DMCA'ing someone (the admin that is)? he had better methods of dealing with this guy than a DMCA--you know that, I know that, even that Maoist guy knows that!

and even if it were important, this interpretation is not the only possible one. especially if you saw TruShibes videos--which I did. I can totally see a Thomas Becket style affair coming out of ths (that is, a zealous lieutenant acting on behalf of Molyneux--whether by express command or not, to silence on particularly outspoken critic). The fact that TruShibes wasn't even guilty of the accusations (as D correctly pointed out), really hits home the fact that this isn't as the FDR people claim it to be.

And let's be generous: suppose that it were the case that it was a lieutenant doing this independently: If so, why wasn't he fired or punished? it has been some time already. Where are Molyneux's protestations?

I agree, we don't necessarily have the whole story, but what we do have doesn't look good at all...


btw, in case no one saw this Shibes guy: here's a partial mirror of one of his videos:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 22, 2014, 09:12:02 PM
"he had better methods of dealing with this guy than a DMCA"

How do you know that wasn't tried?

There's just not enough to go on right now and I'm not a fan of venturing into the land of supposition because you can really create any conclusion you want with a little thought.

As for the vid, yay for taking stuff out of context to smear.  I don't agree with censorship but I can't say I'd ever miss such content.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 22, 2014, 09:25:39 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 22, 2014, 08:51:17 PM
Oh they'll sneak that in.  Just watch.

They might, but we're not. That's why it's irrelevant to this particular conversation, and again, I'll point to that little quote I already posted previously about appealing to hypocrisy.

QuoteLike I said, I REALLY don't buy the idea that it was done to silence dissent.  The man has had that for decades now.  Why these vids?  Why now?  This whole thing just has "we're not getting the whole story" written all over it.  For all we know, the vids could have contained libel, threats or personal info of people.

Actually, we do know what the videos contained. They were excerpts of Stef's videos where the guy pointed out what he believed was Stef's hypocrisy or points where he believed that he bullied callers. They weren't videos direct harassment towards callers.  There was another channel that apparently was doing that in FreeDomainDamon, but TruShibe was not. Also, again, if harassment was the issue, youtube has a function for that. They didn't need to bring bullshit copyright law in for it, especially when Stef not only has gone on record against IP, but also states that all his video works and what not are free for the public to share.

QuoteAnd that's the other thing, it wasn't Stef himself, it was his employee.  We don't even know if Stef is even aware of the incident.  I mean, the idea that he just woke up one day and said "I think I'll start having my critics censored" just does not add up at all.

So as I said, it could have been an oversight. Well if that's the case, why not just come out and say it already so he can put this all behind him? The fact is, you have a guy representing his brand and doing something that is bringing negative publicity to it. He should address it if he doesn't want that to continue.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 22, 2014, 10:03:57 PM
QuoteHow do you know that wasn't tried?

I don't, but failure at them I don't think, justifies the DMCA'ing, which I'm sure you agree with (confirmed by what you said later). Though from what has been posted by the guy who did it, there's no implication of these measures being attempted (which would simply involve the YT function for it). Hey, if they can demonstrate that less drastic methods were used up, that's fine, and they've had a while now to do so. Even then though, the DMCA was not exactly the right thing to do.

EDIT: actually, wait: If the videos had been flagged, TruShibes would have been notified, and he would almost certainly have made a video on that, or had someone do it in vice of himself. Alternately a PM or a video by Molyneaux/his staff would also have elicited something. Why didn't he do so? did he do so and his vids were taken out? what?


QuoteThere's just not enough to go on right now and I'm not a fan of venturing into the land of supposition because you can really create any conclusion you want with a little thought.

I agree, don't get me wrong: perhaps there may be clarification. But whatever the motives, the guy working for Molyneux did file a false DMCA on someone he didn't agree with, for a charge he was not guilty of. How do you think this looks to me?

Quote
As for the vid, yay for taking stuff out of context to smear.  I don't agree with censorship but I can't say I'd ever miss such content.

just for the record, I didn't post the video because I agree with it or not. I only posted it so people who didn't know here, will know what sort of videos the guy made.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 22, 2014, 10:07:18 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on August 22, 2014, 10:03:57 PM
I didn't post the video because I agree with it or not. I only posted it so people who didn't know here, will know what sort of videos the guy made.

Yeah, agreeing with the video is completely irrelevant.

The fact is, the guy didn't do what the guy who filed the DMCAs claimed he did.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 23, 2014, 01:25:57 AM
wait, is truShibes a guy or a girl? I'm keeping an eye on the events, and I realize that some say the owner is a she, others a he.

doesn't matter one way or another, save when writing about they.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 23, 2014, 08:51:56 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 22, 2014, 08:51:17 PM
Like I said, I REALLY don't buy the idea that it was done to silence dissent.  The man has had that for decades now.  Why these vids?  Why now?  This whole thing just has "we're not getting the whole story" written all over it.  For all we know, the vids could have contained libel, threats or personal info of people.

Even if that were true, that's NOT what a DMCA takedown is. They would have gotten the videos taken down as a violation of YouTube's Terms of Service. A DMCA is SOLELY a copyright claim.

QuoteAnd that's the other thing, it wasn't Stef himself, it was his employee.  We don't even know if Stef is even aware of the incident.  I mean, the idea that he just woke up one day and said "I think I'll start having my critics censored" just does not add up at all.

Possibly, but Stef is ultimately responsible for what his employees do when on the job.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 23, 2014, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on August 22, 2014, 04:03:02 PM
https://plus.google.com/116593195967885611442/posts/9tRtxc5sGcF
*Is still waiting for someone to address what I posted here (not just the copyright/DMCA thing) publicly on this forum or at least on Google Plus...*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 23, 2014, 11:19:50 AM
Can we all just agree that stef has gotten a little crazy lately?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 23, 2014, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on August 23, 2014, 10:54:25 AM
*Is still waiting for someone to address what I posted here (not just the copyright/DMCA thing) publicly on this forum or at least on Google Plus...*

Unfortunately, you maybe waiting a long time. I don't really follow Stef that closely (his videos are way to long), but what I have seen, from excerpts on other channels and/or people happening to mention what he said at one point or the other, he would appear to be a libertarian of convenience. If you don't know what that is (which you can't because I just made the term up) that would be someone who's anti-statist until whatever you're doing is inconvenient for them.

As for the defooing, presuming that it's meaning what I think it does, I can imagine some circumstances where it may be best to cut ties with one's family of origin. Whether or not a psychologist should be advising people to do so in a professional capacity is, however, another matter. Plus, perhaps the issue here isn't the advice, but the fact Stef lied about it.

To the other three things you mentioned, there's really nothing to address.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 23, 2014, 05:44:52 PM
A friend of mine posting on Google Plus as Kardflow who +1'ed this:  https://plus.google.com/111185278672504358770/posts/Cw9ask229ww and added the comment regarding ISIS needing to be wiped out.  I even showed him Hawkeye's journal here:  http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/A-case-of-a-guilty-conscience-405158014 and he said, "Yeah, I agree with that." While going directly against the statements in it...He's also trying to join the military...but he thinks the death penalty is wrong.  Two wrongs do NOT make a right.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 23, 2014, 06:19:07 PM
Alright...I didn't want to have to do this...but oh well.  All the quoted pieces are from Hawkeye, to me, in AIM.  Why he doesn't want to just post the stuff here so we can publicly discuss it is beyond me.

"oh good lord...people, you can't call Stefan a misogynist when he's happily married to a woman and had a daughter with her!"
Um, Dave's brother has a girlfriend, but mainly just for the sex...he's a HUGE woman hater.  So that doesn't work.

"When people are looting your store...yeah, police force kinda sorta is justified.  What's the issue?"
To be fair, I don't know the entire story behind the Ferguson deal, but then, I thought we, as libertarians, didn't approve of police brutality and murder as a principle, not "well this is for the future, this is the now." Especially when Stef and you have said time and time again that the argument against state force is not a conventionalist one nor could it be so.  Also, why is it justified?  You just state that like it's a forgone conclusion that we already agreed on when it's nothing of the sort.
   
"[T]he DMCA, don't have enough info to comment."
That has been covered to death here.  See D's and Shane's posts.
   
"'consistent with best psychological practices.' is vague as hell and since modern psychology doesn't treat statism as a mental illness, that puts them in question with me."
It was a claim STEF made, so take it up with him.  At the very least, it doesn't change the fact that he still lied, and you're defending him and making excuses for him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 23, 2014, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on August 23, 2014, 11:19:50 AM
Can we all just agree that stef has gotten a little crazy lately?

I guess :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 23, 2014, 08:44:09 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on August 23, 2014, 06:19:07 PM
Alright...I didn't want to have to do this...but oh well.  All the quoted pieces are from Hawkeye, to me, in AIM.  Why he doesn't want to just post the stuff here so we can publicly discuss it is beyond me.

Because it was just me and you talking back and forth.

Quote"oh good lord...people, you can't call Stefan a misogynist when he's happily married to a woman and had a daughter with her!"
Um, Dave's brother has a girlfriend, but mainly just for the sex...he's a HUGE woman hater.  So that doesn't work.

Girlfriend =/= wife with child.
As Jeff Foxworthy said: You don't get married to get sex.  That's like buying a 747 to get free peanuts.  If all you want is peanuts, there's way more cost efficient ways to get them.

Quote"When people are looting your store...yeah, police force kinda sorta is justified.  What's the issue?"
To be fair, I don't know the entire story behind the Ferguson deal, but then, I thought we, as libertarians, didn't approve of police brutality and murder as a principle, not "well this is for the future, this is the now." Especially when Stef and you have said time and time again that the argument against state force is not a conventionalist one nor could it be so.  Also, why is it justified?  You just state that like it's a forgone conclusion that we already agreed on when it's nothing of the sort.

Defending yourself and your property IS justified, what's the big mystery?
We don't approve of the state having a monopoly on it but yeah, if you're in danger, it's hardly hypocritical to call on them when it's your only option.  That's like statists calling us hypocrites for driving on the roads.

Quote"[T]he DMCA, don't have enough info to comment."
That has been covered to death here.  See D's and Shane's posts.

See mine
   
Quote"'consistent with best psychological practices.' is vague as hell and since modern psychology doesn't treat statism as a mental illness, that puts them in question with me."
It was a claim STEF made, so take it up with him.  At the very least, it doesn't change the fact that he still lied, and you're defending him and making excuses for him.

Not making excuses, I just don't care because it's laughably inconsequential and I really don't like the way the statists pat themselves on the back about it.  Ooh, you found an anarchist doing one morally questionable thing.  Great, now you only have to catch us doing a billion more immoral things and you'll be on the same moral ground.  Good luck with that!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 24, 2014, 08:11:34 AM
I'm adding the ACLU to fail quotes. I didn't take a picture of it, but I was sent one of their surveys as a representative for Connecticut.

Man, the shit on there had very little to do with actual liberty and more to do with, "Oh, you aren't giving me free stuff? U VIOLATE MUH RIGHTS!"

Most of the questions were vague references to Hobby Lobby.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 24, 2014, 11:45:20 AM
Sadly that sounds alot like how the ACLU in Florida is now. At one time there were actually a few LP members on the Florida ACLU Board of Directors and it actually focused on civil liberty issues. Now its back to being a Democrat circle jerk.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 25, 2014, 03:59:18 PM
(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s526x395/10574428_691210407638683_4511332698001030991_n.jpg?oh=1c65990a655c40e81193648ee58e9e0f&oe=545EA000)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 26, 2014, 09:21:11 AM
North Carolina Libertarian Candidate 'Just Passed the Threshold' to File FEC Report http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/25/North-Carolina-Libertarian-Candidate-Just-Passed-the-Threshold-to-File-FEC-Report

Otherwise excellent article, ruined by: "Haugh, who polls show takes most of his support from the Republican nominee..."

No, he doesn't! Polls show he draws equally from Democratic and Republican voters, and he actually has a high degree of support from blacks, who are hardly a conservative voting bloc!

(Lots of incredifail in the comments, too.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 26, 2014, 09:25:02 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 26, 2014, 09:21:11 AM
(Lots of incredifail in the comments, too.)
Is this ever a surprise?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 26, 2014, 10:20:07 AM
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Yeah, sorry Aaron.  You've done some good stuff but here you're just being an internet hipster trying to look smart and it's not working.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 26, 2014, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 26, 2014, 10:20:07 AM
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Yeah, sorry Aaron.  You've done some good stuff but here you're just being an internet hipster trying to look smart and it's not working.

Not to mention the $70+ million that's been raised through that effort so far...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 26, 2014, 01:09:57 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 26, 2014, 12:33:15 PM
Not to mention the $70+ million that's been raised through that effort so far...

He claims that money just goes towards creating make work jobs for people and will never go towards actually finding a cure because if they did, they'd be out of work.

In other words, he mistakenly thinks private charities and the welfare state operate on the same rules.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 26, 2014, 01:37:45 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/pLrXpd6.jpg)

This comic would be far more accurate if the black guy were screaming "No Duh!"

I'm not even sure what this comic is making fun of? That Tea Party conservatives don't care about the police state? Then why have most right-leaning sights such as WND and Breitbart been decrying the police militarization within Ferguson?

But perhaps the greatest fail is in the comment section of r/politicalhumor (http://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/2ejk49/a_threat_to_freedom/) where I found this. Some commenters are arguing that a militarized police force is not the result of big government, but small, local government. For example:

Quote"The local police are not "big government." They're local small government championed by conservatives. The only people standing up for these people are the FBI. This joke makes perfect sense to any liberal skeptical of local power."

Um, bullspit! This is the result of local law enforcement being supplied military-grade weapons and equipment from the military. This IS a problem with big government!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 26, 2014, 06:17:48 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on August 26, 2014, 01:37:45 PM
Um, bullspit! This is the result of local law enforcement being supplied military-grade weapons and equipment from the military. This IS a problem with big government!

Not only that, but "big government" doesn't refer to how many of them there are or how far away, but what powers they have.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 26, 2014, 06:18:55 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on August 26, 2014, 01:09:57 PM
He claims that money just goes towards creating make work jobs for people and will never go towards actually finding a cure because if they did, they'd be out of work.

In other words, he mistakenly thinks private charities and the welfare state operate on the same rules.

Ask him why the March of Dimes is still around long after conquering polio.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 27, 2014, 09:01:34 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 26, 2014, 06:18:55 PM
Ask him why the March of Dimes is still around long after conquering polio.

Or why they're still known as a "The War Amps" even though most of their work these days is with children.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 27, 2014, 05:10:05 PM
A friend of mine who is into the huge election for Scotland's independence showed me this campaign ad from the "Better Together" campaign to keep Scotland a part of England.

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Short version: Independence is scary.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 27, 2014, 06:23:30 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 28, 2014, 04:23:17 AM
Quote from: D on August 27, 2014, 05:10:05 PM
A friend of mine who is into the huge election for Scotland's independence showed me this campaign ad from the "Better Together" campaign to keep Scotland a part of England.

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Short version: Independence is scary.

I've actually read the proposed constitution for "independent" Scotland. It gives nothing that the Scots don't already have. (Well, except for the part where it says the Scottish Monarch can't leave Scotland without explicit permission from the Scottish Parliament) Therefore, while I support independence in general,  in this specific case, they may as well remain part of the U.K. .
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 28, 2014, 09:18:48 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10616101_692642294162161_5384657572934568185_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 28, 2014, 09:38:23 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 28, 2014, 09:18:48 AM
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Isn't this exactly what the statists--and specifically, the social contract nutbars--say we SHOULD do if we don't like taxes?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 28, 2014, 11:23:16 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 28, 2014, 09:38:23 AM
Isn't this exactly what the statists--and specifically, the social contract nutbars--say we SHOULD do if we don't like taxes?

No, the social contract nutbars say you need to suck it up and pay your taxes because social contract. In the view of the sotract, the citizenry liking or disliking the obligations imposed on them entirely against their will has nothing to do with anything. That's the meaning of obligatory.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 28, 2014, 02:08:38 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/v/t1.0-9/10449494_10152248760566498_2311145604370473267_n.jpg?oh=ce0c4cc0158a7a476595b42e3babff25&oe=5476AF78&__gda__=1417078267_9b19781f8476fdfad0d5ff3a206d55bb)

Or talk to people on the other side of the world that you would never have been able to talk to in 1993. Pretend its the 21st century!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 28, 2014, 03:39:08 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10610742_693014700791587_5497079209456032733_n.jpg?oh=f55ec39e95b669bb33a7c39f0aec8f88&oe=547C9276&__gda__=1415925788_318236e5ac1812819088784a2492f89a)
Well this was only a matter of time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 28, 2014, 03:48:29 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on August 28, 2014, 11:23:16 AM
No, the social contract nutbars say you need to suck it up and pay your taxes because social contract. In the view of the sotract, the citizenry liking or disliking the obligations imposed on them entirely against their will has nothing to do with anything. That's the meaning of obligatory.

Except they continually defend it by saying we can opt out by moving away!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 28, 2014, 05:47:43 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 28, 2014, 03:39:08 PM
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Well this was only a matter of time.
The OP needs to watch that video response Cantwell did to Dusty a while back...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 28, 2014, 06:19:05 PM
(https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10649445_693099330783124_6649074965303472613_n.jpg?oh=e4ab14b748dcb3c8213ebea0ba18c3c2&oe=5479C05A)
"
QuoteA bombshell new CBO report confirms what the Obama administration promised all along: that Obamacare would sharply REDUCE the deficit. The annual deficit is now 70% lower than it was when Pres. Obama took office in 2009, and it's projected to fall further. Not to mention that 10 million previously uninsured Americans are now covered. Now will FOXNews and the rightwing apologize for being dead wrong about Obamacare?
I get the feeling some cherry picking is going on here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 28, 2014, 06:21:39 PM
Can we just (rightly) assume that everything from Being Liberal & Occupy Democrats is a super fail?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 28, 2014, 07:36:53 PM
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This Ian guy is an excuse making douchebag.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 29, 2014, 07:02:16 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 29, 2014, 09:38:19 AM
Quote from: D on August 29, 2014, 07:02:16 AM
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I think it's safe to say that TJ stopped being relevant t a long time ago.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 29, 2014, 11:37:31 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on August 29, 2014, 09:38:19 AM
I think it's safe to say that TJ stopped being relevant a long time ago.
^QFT
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 29, 2014, 12:24:32 PM
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The comments! Just wow!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 29, 2014, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 29, 2014, 12:24:32 PM
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The comments! Just wow!
The title alone is cringe-worthy...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 29, 2014, 02:32:58 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on August 29, 2014, 12:32:27 PM
The title alone is cringe-worthy...
Some of them are conspiracy theorist too.
Seriously think the FBI killed MLK jr. and Malcom X.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 29, 2014, 03:11:28 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 28, 2014, 03:39:08 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10610742_693014700791587_5497079209456032733_n.jpg?oh=f55ec39e95b669bb33a7c39f0aec8f88&oe=547C9276&__gda__=1415925788_318236e5ac1812819088784a2492f89a)
Well this was only a matter of time.
One fellow says it best "You liberals are such hypocrites. You tell people to get out if they don't like the taxes, but when they do, You scream about how they are stealing money away from you."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 29, 2014, 03:28:33 PM
I could just put some of his quotes here, but I suppose I'll just say everything ever said by Sam Seder.  I'd look for some specifics, but I don't want to for fear of catching the dumb and being unable to brain. @_@
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 29, 2014, 03:58:55 PM
Every comment from djancak on the following video (the vid itself is win):

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 29, 2014, 08:34:06 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on August 29, 2014, 03:11:28 PM
One fellow says it best "You liberals are such hypocrites. You tell people to get out if they don't like the taxes, but when they do, You scream about how they are stealing money away from you."
That was me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 29, 2014, 09:19:45 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 29, 2014, 08:34:06 PM
That was me.
Then you just earned a cluon. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 29, 2014, 10:49:08 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on August 29, 2014, 09:19:45 PM
Then you just earned a cluon. :)
Ya, two so far!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 29, 2014, 11:22:06 PM
Libertarian ideology the natural enemy of science (http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2014/aug/29/libertarian-ideology-natural-enemy-science)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 29, 2014, 11:45:45 PM
Quote from: D on August 29, 2014, 11:22:06 PM
Libertarian ideology the natural enemy of science (http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2014/aug/29/libertarian-ideology-natural-enemy-science)

"We don't actually understand science, we just said it cause it makes us look smart!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 30, 2014, 09:54:03 AM
All the posts by Delaz (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showthread.php?p=1560029)

Even goes as far as to accuse me of being perfectly okay with children dying because I pointed out his statistic he threw out there about child deaths from gun accidents is nowhere near as high as it was presented.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on August 30, 2014, 12:18:50 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 30, 2014, 08:05:49 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on August 30, 2014, 12:18:50 PM
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Heh, if you want disrespect and sabotage, try Nixon...besides, this is not a reason to defend anyone especially as ut is patently untrue.

No, I just ghink he's an asshole--he only differs in flavor. An opinion I had of Bush, Clinton, bush......
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on August 30, 2014, 09:06:28 PM
So I just found this:

http://www.citynews.ca/2014/08/25/virtual-rape-hard-to-track-in-online-gaming-police-say-2/ (http://www.citynews.ca/2014/08/25/virtual-rape-hard-to-track-in-online-gaming-police-say-2/)

I have no idea what to say about this other than, "Canada, you just went full retard." I just wonder how all those "journalists" will react when they find out about Skyrim mods.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on August 30, 2014, 09:53:17 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on August 30, 2014, 08:05:49 PM
Heh, if you want disrespect and sabotage, try Nixon...besides, this is not a reason to defend anyone especially as ut is patently untrue.

No, I just ghink he's an asshole--he only differs in flavor. An opinion I had of Bush, Clinton, bush......

When was the disrespect? Where is the sabatoge?  Where is tje betraal?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 31, 2014, 01:09:45 PM
From the comment section of this (win) video:
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"Dragonsage 1 day ago
(I live off about $9,000/yr as a full time student) I had an infection in my small intestine, and I spent Friday night through Monday afternoon in the VA Hospital. I had various tests, including a CT scan, various medicines, and of course the room and board for that time. I didn't even get a bill because of my special disability status from an injury while on active duty, and my low income level. All I can do is thank every tax paying American for splitting the bill."
Parasite pride, y'all!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 31, 2014, 01:21:00 PM
Was watching the Simpsons marathon about a week ago and came across the episode with any rand school for tots. I couldn't find a vid on YouTube because fuck fox.

"When a baby reaches for a bottle, it is saying 'I am a leach.'"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 31, 2014, 04:42:39 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on August 31, 2014, 01:21:00 PM
Was watching the Simpsons marathon about a week ago and came across the episode with any rand school for tots. I couldn't find a vid on YouTube because fuck fox.

"When a baby reaches for a bottle, it is saying 'I am a leach.'"
Oy.  Yeah, trendy coy strawmans up in this bitch...
Folks, I dislike Rand too, but if you're gonna try to discredit or debunk something she (or anyone else) says at least go with what they ACTUALLY say, not just whatever you can pull out of your ass to look cool to your fellow trust fund baby friends.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 31, 2014, 06:45:25 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on August 30, 2014, 09:53:17 PM
When was the disrespect? Where is the sabatoge?  Where is tje betraal?

His whole political career wad a long example of it. To specify, Nixon totally did all that to himself and worse his country

Point of my post was simply that Obama's political enemies are by themselves not the most efficient "saboteurs". The republicans still suck though
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on August 31, 2014, 09:28:47 PM
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While I love Korra and enjoy this vid, the "yeah the earth queen was horrible but the world needs leaders." Thing is bullshit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 01, 2014, 08:58:01 AM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on August 31, 2014, 09:28:47 PM
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While I love Korra and enjoy this vid, the "yeah the earth queen was horrible but the world needs leaders." Thing is bullshit.

That was the message of Book 3 to begin with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 01, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10646805_1469765356625448_8205072208374909411_n.png?oh=7e8eddd9092524bfaac3ed174c448596&oe=546F9334&__gda__=1416648460_0b54d9c0e703ae8916cd2b27f98f0448)

I just...fucking what?!

And before anyone asks, yes, this WAS a legitimate conversation on Twitter (https://twitter.com/SeanRMoorhead/status/506262700872462336).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 01, 2014, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: D on September 01, 2014, 08:58:01 AM
That was the message of Book 3 to begin with.
I don't think so. I think that it was that arguments through initiation of force will always make things worse.
You hear many characters say that the idea of a monarch is outdated, but Zaheer took it one step too far.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 01, 2014, 11:52:05 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 01, 2014, 10:53:03 AM
I don't think so. I think that it was that arguments through initiation of force will always make things worse.
You hear many characters say that the idea of a monarch is outdated, but Zaheer took it one step too far.

They made it clear as day that despite how awful the Earth Queen was, without her there the capital was sent into chaos.

While Zaheer was calm and collected during all his speeches, the heroes constantly pointed out that he was a mad man specifically because he wanted no world leaders. Hell, he even goes as far as to say himself that chaos is order.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on September 01, 2014, 12:25:37 PM
Quote from: D on September 01, 2014, 11:52:05 AM
They made it clear as day that despite how awful the Earth Queen was, without her there the capital was sent into chaos.

While Zaheer was calm and collected during all his speeches, the heroes constantly pointed out that he was a mad man specifically because he wanted no world leaders. Hell, he even goes as far as to say himself that chaos is order.

Well it's not like the villain in the last airbender was some rulers who waged a 100 year war and wanted to literally incinerate an entire continent. Oh wait...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 01, 2014, 12:33:10 PM
Quote from: AnCapBrony on September 01, 2014, 12:25:37 PM
Well it's not like the villain in the last airbender was some rulers who waged a 100 year war and wanted to literally incinerate an entire continent. Oh wait...

That's what makes the entire thing absolutely absurd. The writers have touched on evil governments before, yet for some reason even though they're evil, they're still better than no government at all.

Makes no god damned sense.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 01, 2014, 02:18:05 PM
Quote from: D on September 01, 2014, 11:52:05 AM
They made it clear as day that despite how awful the Earth Queen was, without her there the capital was sent into chaos.

While Zaheer was calm and collected during all his speeches, the heroes constantly pointed out that he was a mad man specifically because he wanted no world leaders. Hell, he even goes as far as to say himself that chaos is order.
They called Zaheer a madman because he is willing to hurt innocent people, including children. I mean he threw one of his followers into an endless fog for being followed by Team Avatar. No where did they say he was a madman because he wants no world leaders, it's because he is willing kidnap and kill people for that goal. And alot of crazy people seem calm and collected like that.
And the earth capital going to chaos, that tends to happen when oppressive states suddenly fall.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 01, 2014, 06:59:11 PM
[HEADDESK]

The 7 Strangest Libertarian Ideas (http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-7-Strangest-Libertaria-by-Richard--RJ-Esko-Ideas_Libertarian_Libertarianism_Political-140829-863.html)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on September 01, 2014, 09:15:03 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 01, 2014, 06:59:11 PM
[HEADDESK]

The 7 Strangest Libertarian Ideas (http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-7-Strangest-Libertaria-by-Richard--RJ-Esko-Ideas_Libertarian_Libertarianism_Political-140829-863.html)

#1-I think this wouldn't be an issue if children had freedom to choose there parents after birth.  Seriously NO ONE is unaffected by the poor (especially starving children) absolutely NO ONE.  With that in mind no community is going to let a child starve
#2-This article (https://www.techdirt.com/blog/?company=lyft) addresses the second point nicely.
#3-Simplistic thinking gives simplistic response.  Medicare pays less encouraging doctors to overbill, and bill services not performed/unnecessary.  When they can't shift those costs to other consumers.  But that's not the only problem with this response.
#4-How is this justice?  How is infringing upon the freedom to associate just?  Seriously, how?

The rest are filed under "said by no libertarian being serious" or "deliberate misrepesentation".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on September 01, 2014, 09:24:04 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 01, 2014, 06:59:11 PM
[HEADDESK]

The 7 Strangest Libertarian Ideas (http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-7-Strangest-Libertaria-by-Richard--RJ-Esko-Ideas_Libertarian_Libertarianism_Political-140829-863.html)

"Few movements in the United States today harbor stranger political ideas than the self-proclaimed libertarians. The Rand Paul school of libertarianism is at least as far outside the mainstream on the right as, say, a rather doctrinaire old-school form of Marxism/Leninism is on the left. "

Right off the bat, they go for the false equivalency between Marxists and libertarians, claiming that libertarians are no more "extreme" than Communists. The problem is that communism has been tried many times in many countries and have failed each and every time. Libertarianism hasn't even been allowed to be considered an option.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 01, 2014, 11:19:13 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 01, 2014, 02:18:05 PM
They called Zaheer a madman because he is willing to hurt innocent people, including children. I mean he threw one of his followers into an endless fog for being followed by Team Avatar. No where did they say he was a madman because he wants no world leaders, it's because he is willing kidnap and kill people for that goal. And alot of crazy people seem calm and collected like that.
And the earth capital going to chaos, that tends to happen when oppressive states suddenly fall.

During the conversation they had in the spirit world, when Zaheer made his goal clear that he wanted a world without governments, Korra's reaction was that it would bring the world into chaos. It wasn't, "That's a good idea but you're doing it wrong" or "I agree with the goal but disagree with the method on how to achieve that goal." Nowhere was it ever made clear that Zaheer's final goals were anything but a road to disorder and chaos. Again, they even have him flat out say that disorder is the ultimate form of balance. If there is a message that this arc had it was that while tyrannical governments are bad, having no governments is also bad.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 02, 2014, 09:28:27 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/sep/01/ya-dystopias-children-free-market-hunger-games-the-giver-divergent
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on September 02, 2014, 12:38:54 PM
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This ancom really pisses me off. And some fail on our friend "anarchy is an attention seeking philosophy"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on September 02, 2014, 06:55:43 PM
There are some good points here, but there's still too much bullshit here to file under "Fav quotes"

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-everyone-gets-wrong-about-government-spending/

#5-Actually the economic situation in Japan is still looking bleak.  They've had two, count them, TWO lost generations.  Even then if it gets too high lenders will stop lending to us, which at least this article acknowledges.
#4-The one good point with no BS in it.
#3-Which clearly shows how certain interests can manipulate government into spending to much.
#2-Okay I can acknowledge that govco doesn't print whenever it wants to.  But part of it's justification is absurd, that there were more shocks and panics before the Fed.  But this is nauseatingly simplistic analysis.  Depressions can be caused by crop failures, mine depletions, and other geographic factors.  Another big problem is that interstate branching was practically forbidden, meaning that a bank in Minnesota would get in trouble and have no one else to turn to (other than the Fed of course) for liquidity.  Had it been a branch it's parent company would've stepped in.

I'd like to address point #1 but I got other things to go to.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 02, 2014, 10:00:35 PM
Super fail (http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2014/09/privilege/) from Bleeding Heart Libertarians.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 02, 2014, 10:01:27 PM
Yeah, that reason in that first one the guy gave (cracked blog) was stupid: people aren't supposed to waste money and get into debts they cannot pay because if they do, they'll default, have their assets seized and liquidated, leave nothing for their kids, etc, etc. It has little to do with retirement itself.

And guess what? He pretty much said tge same about govt. defaulting on debt, and by the same institutions--banks!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on September 03, 2014, 01:24:45 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 02, 2014, 09:28:27 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/sep/01/ya-dystopias-children-free-market-hunger-games-the-giver-divergent

"You should always question authority, but not when it's a well-intentioned progressive liberal authority!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 03, 2014, 04:36:25 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 03, 2014, 10:07:02 PM
http://www.gameranx.com/features/id/23968/article/the-fine-young-capitalists-seemingly-noble-goals-don-t-excuse-them-from-scrutiny/
Just typical.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 04, 2014, 02:43:43 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10625077_689651561127912_506482839389486140_n.jpg?oh=0d32631811944b3386b1f3a72b0c5a56&oe=5480B60F&__gda__=1417808710_ff1b4d6442408879bfa0564fc7ca2382)
Ya, sure because those Companies don't have lower workers who need money for the same things.
Oh, and nice way to dehumanize the CEOs.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 04, 2014, 06:59:35 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 03, 2014, 10:07:02 PM
http://www.gameranx.com/features/id/23968/article/the-fine-young-capitalists-seemingly-noble-goals-don-t-excuse-them-from-scrutiny/
Just typical.

The fact that comments are closed just says everything that needs to be said.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 04, 2014, 11:59:08 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwsMIY7IYAAyHOC.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 04, 2014, 12:10:54 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 04, 2014, 02:43:43 AM
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Ya, sure because those Companies don't have lower workers who need money for the same things.
Oh, and nice way to dehumanize the CEOs.
They DO know that farmers actually make MORE money than average workers, right?  Or that organic food is NOT small business but is and has always been big business, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 04, 2014, 01:55:18 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on September 04, 2014, 12:10:54 PM
They DO know that farmers actually make MORE money than average workers, right?  Or that organic food is NOT small business but is and has always been big business, right?

And that the only period when commercial farming was a small, family-run enterprise was the relatively brief period when internal combustion engines existed but couldn't be made powerful enough economically for large tractors to be built?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 04, 2014, 02:50:37 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on September 04, 2014, 01:55:18 PM
And that the only period when commercial farming was a small, family-run enterprise was the relatively brief period when internal combustion engines existed but couldn't be made powerful enough economically for large tractors to be built?
http://www.cracked.com/article_19123_6-socially-conscious-actions-that-only-look-like-they-help_p2.html
Or that cracked.com of all people have tackled this issue.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 04, 2014, 05:05:48 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on September 04, 2014, 02:50:37 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19123_6-socially-conscious-actions-that-only-look-like-they-help_p2.html
Or that cracked.com of all people have tackled this issue.

Well, when you publish as much stuff as they do, you're bound to publish something good once in a while.

On the subject of fuel ethanol, does anyone have stats on how the Brazilian industry is?  I know they produce their ethanol from sugarcane (which should be a much more efficient feedstock), and they even produce it faster (one of Canada's major breweries did some experiments on yeast some years back, looking for a faster fermenting yeast, which they got, but it produced an off flavor that made it worthless for beer production, so they sent it to their fuel-alcohol subsidiary in Brazil), but does it produce a net increase in usable fuel?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 04, 2014, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on September 04, 2014, 05:05:48 PM
Well, when you publish as much stuff as they do, you're bound to publish something good once in a while.

On the subject of fuel ethanol, does anyone have stats on how the Brazilian industry is?  I know they produce their ethanol from sugarcane (which should be a much more efficient feedstock), and they even produce it faster (one of Canada's major breweries did some experiments on yeast some years back, looking for a faster fermenting yeast, which they got, but it produced an off flavor that made it worthless for beer production, so they sent it to their fuel-alcohol subsidiary in Brazil), but does it produce a net increase in usable fuel?
As Shane has said before, the deal with cracked.com is that they have tons of different authors who tend to do varying levels of research.  This was apparently one of the better ones.

And to answer your question, I have no idea. :(
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on September 05, 2014, 03:12:38 PM
The dark side of the Ice Bucket Challenge (http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/the-dark-side-of-the-ice-bucket-challenge/)

Quote"I also thought about why people would pour water over their heads. Sometimes the participants drench themselves, but typically someone else is designated to this task. Now I realize that being immersed in ice-cold water is quite a challenge to take, and it would definitely attract attention; I get it. However, I couldn't put my finger on why this didn't feel right to me – then I saw this video on Facebook. In the video, Evangelist Anita Fuentes breaks down an assortment of cryptic and cultic messages hidden in the IBC. It's worth watching to decide for yourself if evil influences and symbolism are embedded within the IBC, or if Fuentes – as well as myself – is looking for ghosts behind every bush and a conspiracy behind every popular fad.

In particular, Fuentes' video depicts the world-renowned cultic queen of talk, Oprah Winfrey, taking the IBC. Winfrey precedes her dousing with the words, "In the name of ALS and the Ice Bucket Challenge. ..."[emphasis mine] Interesting choice of words.

Winfrey's proclamation hit a nerve with me because Christians, myself included, routinely pray and make decrees "in the name of Jesus." We specify whom we worship when we invoke prayer in Jesus' name. However, because Oprah mistakenly believes the One True God is jealous of her, and the well-known fact that she denounces Jesus as the only way to God and basically considers herself to be a god, I found this statement to be very cultic in nature.

Fuentes also addresses the matter of pouring water over ones head and how that act directly correlates with water baptism and syncs the IBC with the sacred Christian deed of cleansing and purification, albeit, in a sacrilegious manner. She also delves into deep issues of rituals stemming from dark, cultic practices that encompass the IBC and which symbolically place America and Americans in a satanic ritual – with or without their knowledge.

Satanic ritual? Yes. Rituals abound in "Christian" America. Whenever spectators watch singers like Beyonce, JayZ, Rihanna, Lady Gaga and especially Nicki Minaj, they are indoctrinated and involved with blatantly satanic rituals that stem from the deep abyss of the occult. Some of these very same artists have taken the ALS IBC. Gaga doesn't utter a word as she baptizes herself, arrayed in a sexy black leotard, sporting black lips, perched in an ornate black chair. Gaga doesn't use a bucket; she instead uses a large silver bowl associated with pagan worship. Do you think she would take the IBC if it didn't meet her pagan criteria? Not a chance.

The ALS IBC is ritualistic in nature. People are chosen to undergo a form of water baptism with cultic god Oprah leading the charge "in the name of ALS." The Bible is clear: "You shall have no other gods before me" (Exodus 20:3). Oprah is a god to millions of Americans, and those who follow her doctrine and antics have tossed Jesus off the throne of their hearts – perhaps not intentionally ... or perhaps so. Yet by following her seemingly innocent IBC decree, knowingly or not, they have cast Jesus off symbolically.

Sweet Celestia, and I thought criticisms of the Ice Bucket Challenge couldn't get any more pants on head retarded! Everyone here has taken the IBC, right? Well, I guess we're all Satan worshipers, now!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 05, 2014, 04:58:38 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 05, 2014, 03:12:38 PM
The dark side of the Ice Bucket Challenge (http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/the-dark-side-of-the-ice-bucket-challenge/)

Sweet Celestia, and I thought criticisms of the Ice Bucket Challenge couldn't get any more pants on head retarded! Everyone here has taken the IBC, right? Well, I guess we're all Satan worshipers, now!

Fundies, PLEASE GO AWAY! The 21st century doesn't want you here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 05, 2014, 07:28:39 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1622707_1473596076242376_8192480584940834000_n.png?oh=45f289e67baa6ee9f8a8ea5854c4e95e&oe=5495DA1C&__gda__=1418958784_902767895969d0810b5f0109d57a62cf)

Apparently women and girls who just want to play games and not deal with this bullshit are either sock puppet trolls or the Uncle Toms of feminism.

Stay classy dipshits.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 06, 2014, 07:44:12 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s552x414/10653687_10152357875801167_596426402603246628_n.png?oh=e9d3a4ab71f66cb2132398ba6d9805ae&oe=54A3E80E&__gda__=1419630390_2f55f44d924822f9777c8100f1fd5aae)
Liberals and their obsession with the Kochs.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 06, 2014, 08:37:08 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 06, 2014, 07:44:12 PM
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Liberals and their obsession with the Kochs.
@all three: and how does that compare to government?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on September 07, 2014, 12:12:55 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 07, 2014, 04:57:38 PM
"Actually Hitler's Germany takes the cake on fastest-grown economy.  His mass-scale seizure and subsequent privatization of industries (like Volkswagen for example) enabled Germany to go from an economic state comparable to modern-day Zimbabwe to among the imperial giants of western Europe in less than ten years.  If you want the fastest possible economic growth, you should advocate fascism.

Now, just to clarity, I'm not a Nazi.  My point is to illustrate that "economy building" is not intrinsically a good thing.  The economy building of fascist Europe led inevitably to World War 2 and numerous crimes against humanity including the Holocaust and millions of counts of military rape and torture that followed.

To get off the subject and provide a more recent example, the First Gulf War was a huge bonus for a particular portion of the economy:  the oil industry.  Numerous companies, including Shell, Exxon, BP, and Chevron were able to secure huge contracts following the end of Saddam Hussein's control over Kuwait, resulting in major dollars being shipped into the petroleum industry (at the expense of American and IRaqi soldiers who died in the fighting of course).  This created something of an economic boom and overtook more than 25% of the US' imports.  Economy building also leads to massive pollution of air and water sources (most notably in China and India), as well as industrial-scale deforestation, particularly in the Amazon and Congo basins as well as on continental Europe and the Indonesian islands.

Economic growth is not the same thing as human progress, and the corporate megalomaniacs who would have you believe that are the ones who are going to drag us all into societal collapse with them."--Atamolos, on this:  http://balddog4.deviantart.com/art/Capitalism-341233569

Do the words, [Citation Needed] mean anything to this pillock?

Not to mention the reason the economy did 'increase' or grow under his system was not 'because socialism/Nazism can work to grow an economy' but because they were literally at the fucking bottom before then (hyperinflation from the Treaty of Versailes a decade or two ago) and would have grown regardless.  It's like the shit for brains who look at China and say, "See? Restriction of economy/socialism/Fascism CAN WORK!" (well, unless they're talking about something they don't like, and it magically becomes capitalism...but whatevs). Um, yeah, and how much economic freedom did they have BEFORE that?  Pillocks.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 07, 2014, 08:59:55 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/p480x480/10521760_697907623635628_83165385425196627_n.png?oh=8c98ec03f1138642e8dd715023fcecc2&oe=548C8ACD&__gda__=1420024457_0333850aaa933d9e73355532d297f6e0)
I think Shane should bust this one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 07, 2014, 09:21:16 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 07, 2014, 08:59:55 PM
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I think Shane should bust this one.
Seconded.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on September 07, 2014, 09:45:30 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 07, 2014, 08:59:55 PM
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I think Shane should bust this one.
thirded
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 07, 2014, 09:48:26 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 07, 2014, 08:59:55 PM
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I think Shane should bust this one.

Fourth'd.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on September 08, 2014, 03:03:33 AM
Quote from: D on September 07, 2014, 09:48:26 PM
Fourth'd.
Nth'd
(Seriously how many before a motion carries?)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 08, 2014, 08:22:55 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 07, 2014, 08:59:55 PM
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I think Shane should bust this one.

1) Funny how that happens when you pay banks not to loan out money and keep it all in a closed loop between them and the Treasury...

2) And the population increased by twice that amount.

3) Learn the difference between "deficit" and "debt," people. And while you're at it, learn the difference between "fell by 50%" and "only rose 50% as much."

4) Why 16 cities? Cherry-picking, much? And how are you counting all the people who lost their insurance entirely?

5) Source? And how does that source refute the known evidence?

6) By not anywhere NEAR an equal amount. Also, those investigations rarely targeted an audit when compared to conservative and pro-Israel groups. Really, this is like Holocaust deniers saying that Hitler sent non-Jews to the concentration camps, too, therefore Jews weren't targeted!

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 08, 2014, 01:12:02 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 08, 2014, 08:22:55 AM
1) Funny how that happens when you pay banks not to loan out money and keep it all in a closed loop between them and the Treasury...

2) And the population increased by twice that amount.

3) Learn the difference between "deficit" and "debt," people. And while you're at it, learn the difference between "fell by 50%" and "only rose 50% as much."

4) Why 16 cities? Cherry-picking, much? And how are you counting all the people who lost their insurance entirely?

5) Source? And how does that source refute the known evidence?

6) By not anywhere NEAR an equal amount. Also, those investigations rarely targeted an audit when compared to conservative and pro-Israel groups. Really, this is like Holocaust deniers saying that Hitler sent non-Jews to the concentration camps, too, therefore Jews weren't targeted!

Also, 4 - Did you hire Sylvia Browne to tell you what happened in these 16 cities to tell you what happened next year?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on September 08, 2014, 01:43:48 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 08, 2014, 08:22:55 AM
1) Funny how that happens when you pay banks not to loan out money and keep it all in a closed loop between them and the Treasury...

2) And the population increased by twice that amount.

3) Learn the difference between "deficit" and "debt," people. And while you're at it, learn the difference between "fell by 50%" and "only rose 50% as much."

4) Why 16 cities? Cherry-picking, much? And how are you counting all the people who lost their insurance entirely?

5) Source? And how does that source refute the known evidence?

6) By not anywhere NEAR an equal amount. Also, those investigations rarely targeted an audit when compared to conservative and pro-Israel groups. Really, this is like Holocaust deniers saying that Hitler sent non-Jews to the concentration camps, too, therefore Jews weren't targeted!

I'd call BS on #2 just for the vagueness of "saved or created." Wasn't Obama making the same declaration back when unemployment hit double digits?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2014, 01:52:19 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 08, 2014, 08:22:55 AM
1) Funny how that happens when you pay banks not to loan out money and keep it all in a closed loop between them and the Treasury...

2) And the population increased by twice that amount.

3) Learn the difference between "deficit" and "debt," people. And while you're at it, learn the difference between "fell by 50%" and "only rose 50% as much."

4) Why 16 cities? Cherry-picking, much? And how are you counting all the people who lost their insurance entirely?

5) Source? And how does that source refute the known evidence?

6) By not anywhere NEAR an equal amount. Also, those investigations rarely targeted an audit when compared to conservative and pro-Israel groups. Really, this is like Holocaust deniers saying that Hitler sent non-Jews to the concentration camps, too, therefore Jews weren't targeted!
And of course, as we all know, it's JUST Obama and republicans right? There's been no other political philosophies ever, amirite? This is just more tribal thinking, Obama and the democrats are the "we" and everyone else is the "not we".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BreadGod on September 08, 2014, 08:58:55 PM
More Cracked bogosity for you:

(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/450x378q90/674/CU2rUT.jpg)

First of all, notice how they cite no sources for this statistic. Secondly, they confuse correlation with causation. They seem to think that because gun ownership went down, gun-related homicide went down. For all we know, it was the other way around, but we can't know because they don't cite any sources.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 08, 2014, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: BreadGod on September 08, 2014, 08:58:55 PM
More Cracked bogosity for you:

(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/450x378q90/674/CU2rUT.jpg)

First of all, notice how they cite no sources for this statistic. Secondly, they confuse correlation with causation. They seem to think that because gun ownership went down, gun-related homicide went down. For all we know, it was the other way around, but we can't know because they don't cite any sources.

Well, according to http://www.infowars.com/household-gun-ownership-surges-in-40-year-trend-reversal/ (http://www.infowars.com/household-gun-ownership-surges-in-40-year-trend-reversal/), gun ownership is 44% as of 2013. You'll have to hit the stop button when the page loads, or you'll end up on a "your flash player is out of date" page (which it isn't.)

According to http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/09/19/u-s-has-more-guns-and-gun-deaths-than-any-other-country-study-finds/ (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/09/19/u-s-has-more-guns-and-gun-deaths-than-any-other-country-study-finds/), the US has 88 guns per 100 people, and 10 gun related deaths per 100,000 as of 2013. Since the point of both of these articles is "gunz R bad", I can only assume cracked's source is... someone's crack?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on September 09, 2014, 04:47:47 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 08, 2014, 10:32:18 PM
Well, according to http://www.infowars.com/household-gun-ownership-surges-in-40-year-trend-reversal/ (http://www.infowars.com/household-gun-ownership-surges-in-40-year-trend-reversal/), gun ownership is 44% as of 2013. You'll have to hit the stop button when the page loads, or you'll end up on a "your flash player is out of date" page (which it isn't.)

According to http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/09/19/u-s-has-more-guns-and-gun-deaths-than-any-other-country-study-finds/ (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/09/19/u-s-has-more-guns-and-gun-deaths-than-any-other-country-study-finds/), the US has 88 guns per 100 people, and 10 gun related deaths per 100,000 as of 2013. Since the point of both of these articles is "gunz R bad", I can only assume cracked's source is... someone's crack?

I don't think the OP of this image was trying to establish a casual, the subject was "Stereotypes that are Statistically BS".  Still if anyone tries to assert such it's nonetheless bogus.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 09, 2014, 11:29:44 AM
“Libertarians are not the brightest lights in the candelabra, a fact that is evident from the alternatives they tend to offer to public prevention of private abuses. For example: if you don’t like working a hundred hours a week for twenty-five cents a day, then find another employer! It is obvious to intelligent people, if not libertarians, that more generous employers will price themselves out of a market whose standards are set by the most rapacious.”--Michael Lind.

So it seems his bogosity on libertarianism isn't just limited to that infamous question that we can't answer. *chortle*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 09, 2014, 04:45:12 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on September 09, 2014, 11:29:44 AM
"Libertarians are not the brightest lights in the candelabra, a fact that is evident from the alternatives they tend to offer to public prevention of private abuses. For example: if you don't like working a hundred hours a week for twenty-five cents a day, then find another employer! It is obvious to intelligent people, if not libertarians, that more generous employers will price themselves out of a market whose standards are set by the most rapacious."--Michael Lind.

So it seems his bogosity on libertarianism isn't just limited to that infamous question that we can't answer. *chortle*

Yes, isn't it wonderful that we had government to force Henry Ford to make an 8-hour work day? Oh, wait...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 09, 2014, 07:54:28 PM
[yt]MYp6h8NqSI0[/yt]

This guy even LOOKS like a total douche.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on September 09, 2014, 07:58:55 PM
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/08/i_want_a_straight_white_male_gaming_convention_how_a_culture_war_exploded_in_the_video_gaming_world/

*sigh*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 09, 2014, 08:12:28 PM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on September 09, 2014, 07:58:55 PM
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/08/i_want_a_straight_white_male_gaming_convention_how_a_culture_war_exploded_in_the_video_gaming_world/

*sigh*

Welp, that's another one to add to the list for this week's show.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 11, 2014, 01:19:13 AM
[yt]rz4Ej3IVefo[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 11, 2014, 06:31:04 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 11, 2014, 01:19:13 AM
[yt]rz4Ej3IVefo[/yt]

Haven't watched it, but let me guess: Cable and broadcast companies have made monopoly deals with local governments, so the solution is to let them be regulated by a body (the FCC) that's in the back pocket of cable and broadcast companies. Amirite?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 11, 2014, 01:25:31 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 11, 2014, 06:31:04 AM
Haven't watched it, but let me guess: Cable and broadcast companies have made monopoly deals with local governments, so the solution is to let them be regulated by a body (the FCC) that's in the back pocket of cable and broadcast companies. Amirite?

Which brings me to...

Yesterday there was this big protest where a bunch of content providers on purpose slowed their shit up, supposedly to show what the internet would be like if we don't get net neutrality. They're saying it was a big success. For whom exactly, is not clear. From my end, the network was faster (about 3 MB/s all day), and I never get that. So... at least the way I'm looking at it what they did is prove the cable companies point, which is: If netflix wasn't hogging all the band width, then we could provide faster service. Also, it proves that netflix is capable of limiting its through-put, something they've claimed to be not able to do in the past.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 11, 2014, 03:29:47 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 11, 2014, 01:25:31 PMAlso, it proves that netflix is capable of limiting its through-put, something they've claimed to be not able to do in the past.

I don't remember them claiming any such thing. And that claim would fly in the face with the setting where you can limit your own Netflix bandwidth.

What they DID say is that the congestion Verizon and Comcast customers experience was the fault of Verizon and Comcast, and they proved it, too!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 12, 2014, 12:56:13 AM
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/05/the_legend_of_zelda_is_classist_sexist_and_racist/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 12, 2014, 07:41:01 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 12, 2014, 12:56:13 AM
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/05/the_legend_of_zelda_is_classist_sexist_and_racist/

You know, I'm not even mad. I needed the good laugh.

It also gave me something to do. I decided to write a rebuttal. (http://superplexbros.com/salon-writes-a-stupid-article-about-the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on September 14, 2014, 06:33:46 PM
[yt]rFqBylDsKSU[/yt]

The video is fine but the comments as usual defend this horrible practice 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 14, 2014, 06:40:09 PM
The people defending the shitfest that was the AVGN movie.

One comment I received on my Facebook account:
QuoteNot only do I continue to disagree with you on this and honestly do still feel that you are completely missing the point of the movie, but after actually reading those points, I actually disagree with them and feel that especially points #1, 2, and 5 are actually the exact opposite of true from where I sit having laughed at the jokes, found them clever, the acting serviceable and outright see #5 the opposite of how you see that point, and points 3 and 4 aren't even remotely as big a deal as you're making them out to be. #3 especially, is what I, in fact, liked about the movie more than anything else, and #4 is just the ultimate in looking for something to nitpick. I still can't even say I understand where you're coming from at all with this.

The numbers he's referencing come from a piece I posted on my website (http://superplexbros.com/top-5-reasons-why-the-avgn-movie-should-be-buried-in-the-desert/).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 15, 2014, 02:49:51 PM
[yt]wfDMHF2N7jI[/yt]
Notice he doesn't mention #notyourshield or how we were compared to ISIS?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 15, 2014, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 15, 2014, 02:49:51 PM
[yt]wfDMHF2N7jI[/yt]
Notice he doesn't mention #notyourshield or how we were compared to ISIS?
Of course he won't be on his game with stuff like this.  Ironic that he's actually not too bad when it comes to Economics...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 16, 2014, 08:10:21 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10404086_793304707378790_228421937266905338_n.jpg?oh=2cea9fb996d09cfb5f6e63eb7bbcaf97&oe=54896AAE&__gda__=1417846675_54097d155f2277601302e2a19754d39b)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 16, 2014, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on September 16, 2014, 08:10:21 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10404086_793304707378790_228421937266905338_n.jpg?oh=2cea9fb996d09cfb5f6e63eb7bbcaf97&oe=54896AAE&__gda__=1417846675_54097d155f2277601302e2a19754d39b)

Did she just admit that the Paycheck Fairness Act would make capitalism illegal?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 16, 2014, 09:03:24 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 16, 2014, 08:46:57 PM
Did she just admit that the Paycheck Fairness Act would make capitalism illegal?
And that it would dismember men? This pay gap thing is has been debunked so many times it's just pathetic to see people bitching about it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 16, 2014, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on September 16, 2014, 09:03:24 PM
And that it would dismember men? This pay gap thing is has been debunked so many times it's just pathetic to see people bitching about it.
^QFT. Also, capitalism being legal =/= "men rule the world". If there was a capitalistic reason for a specific woman to be paid more that a specific man, than so be it. If you ignore the top 15% of wage earners, the "gap" disappears. If you focus on the bottom 15, (or so), the gap is exactly reversed from what they say it is.

Like I've said before: "let's talk about this 6 year vacation..."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 17, 2014, 12:27:52 PM
https://twitter.com/emorottie/status/512272032721936384
https://twitter.com/emorottie/status/512272194739523585
Ex post facto justifications...such lazy thinking.  Needless to say if I have kids, I won't be leaving them with this douche.
Inb4 my posts are ignored.
Inb4 "HUR DUR DEM SCIENTISTS NEVER HAD KIDS THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT!" "I WAS SPANKED AS A KID AND I TURNED OUT GOOD LOL!"

As Hawkeye said to me:
It's like I was saying to Wraith the other day.  A common trait of woos is they have to whip out these false dichotomies all the time.  Beat your kids or don't parent at all.  Explain how the universe came to be or God did it.  Explain how every single aspect of society would be handled from here until the end of time or statism wins by default.  It's such lazy and sloppy thinking, I don't know whether to pity these people for their weak thinking or be insulted that they think I can be sidelined that easily.
I mean, are they REALLY that feeble minded that everything has to be a binary choice?  Good lord, they must faint every time they walk into a supermarket.

So I just gave my above post and the ones you posted to him as well.  Yeah, sorry, I will NOT allow that crap to be on my feed without addressing it.  Kinda hard with Twitter's character limitation, but at least I tried. :(
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 17, 2014, 12:44:56 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on September 17, 2014, 12:27:52 PM
https://twitter.com/emorottie/status/512272032721936384
https://twitter.com/emorottie/status/512272194739523585
Ex post facto justifications...such lazy thinking.  Needless to say if I have kids, I won't be leaving them with this douche.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people that think exactly that way. The one thing in that whole thing he said that is actually correct is that such thinking/behavior tends to be generational (the exception being those that make a deliberate effort of some sort to break the cycle). That being said, even if we were to go by that: Can you guarantee that your not going to leave a mark everytime? What happens in case of accidently "swatting" to hard? Angry guy with a belt in his hand is hardly in a position to be the best judge of how much swatting is acceptable. Oh, and most of the time, spanking is more an expression of the parent's anger than whatever the child did, as any reasonable person would see that doing just about anything else would be more likely to stop the behavior. I know for me, getting a spanking might modify it for a day or two, buy getting something taken away or something produced results.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 17, 2014, 06:09:20 PM
Can you smell it? Smells like desperation.

(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10639470_1481661308769186_3594722251253426583_n.jpg?oh=e47ee901e33274fbc9e3a5a51be3ef50&oe=54870FC1)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 17, 2014, 06:12:03 PM
Quote from: D on September 17, 2014, 06:09:20 PM
Can you smell it? Smells like desperation.

(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10639470_1481661308769186_3594722251253426583_n.jpg?oh=e47ee901e33274fbc9e3a5a51be3ef50&oe=54870FC1)
Dude, I smelled this a mile away.  This isn't the first time we've heard the fake death threats crap.  I mean, come on guys, we aren't falling for it.  Give it up already!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 17, 2014, 06:16:29 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on September 17, 2014, 06:12:03 PM
Dude, I smelled this a mile away.  This isn't the first time we've heard the fake death threats crap.  I mean, come on guys, we aren't falling for it.  Give it up already!

Yeah, but this is clearly a diversion from this (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/17/Exposed-the-secret-mailing-list-of-the-gaming-journalism-elite).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 17, 2014, 06:25:15 PM
Quote from: D on September 17, 2014, 06:16:29 PM
Yeah, but this is clearly a diversion from this (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/17/Exposed-the-secret-mailing-list-of-the-gaming-journalism-elite).
Mother of god.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 18, 2014, 02:31:49 AM
[yt]W39TtF14i8I[/yt]

Claims governments control the currency in order to curb inflation.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Fans got pissy at me for calling him naive too.  ^_^
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 18, 2014, 06:43:49 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on September 18, 2014, 02:31:49 AM
[yt]W39TtF14i8I[/yt]

Claims governments control the currency in order to curb inflation.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Fans got pissy at me for calling him naive too.  ^_^

It didn't take them long to resort to the ad hominems, did it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 18, 2014, 10:31:11 AM
https://www.facebook.com/LupineAssassin/posts/10204970084278945?comment_id=10204972334175191&offset=0&total_comments=5&notif_t=share_reply
I think I made Rene sad in the pants.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 18, 2014, 11:42:58 AM
And my mom, despite crying about how organ meat = teh ebil cuz the Bible says so, is saying that fish heads are teh awesome.  *facepalms*
Shame, because liver is one of the few foods worthy of the name superfoods.  But you'll never hear it marketed that way because it's not a kind of rabbit food...

"Are you eating enough fruits/veggies?"
I'll care when I have the calories to spare, kthxbai.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 18, 2014, 12:02:11 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on September 18, 2014, 11:42:58 AM
And my mom, despite crying about how organ meat = teh ebil cuz the Bible says so, is saying that fish heads are teh awesome.  *facepalms*
Shame, because liver is one of the few foods worthy of the name superfoods.  But you'll never hear it marketed that way because it's not a kind of rabbit food...

"Are you eating enough fruits/veggies?"
I'll care when I have the calories to spare, kthxbai.

You really should consider making a seperate thread. "Travis' Mom's Diet Fails?"  But actually, when I was a kid, liver was actually marketed sorta that way (one of the best sources of iron...). Except the word "superfood" hadn't been invented yet. Before that, the go to thing was spinach, after the liver thing passed it was milk, then brussel sprouts, then... Any way, whatever not enough of is being sold/is something the average person isn't eating/has an overabundant supply for the demand seems to be the "superfood" of the day.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 18, 2014, 12:24:49 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 18, 2014, 12:02:11 PM
You really should consider making a seperate thread. "Travis' Mom's Diet Fails?"  But actually, when I was a kid, liver was actually marketed sorta that way (one of the best sources of iron...). Except the word "superfood" hadn't been invented yet. Before that, the go to thing was spinach, after the liver thing passed it was milk, then brussel sprouts, then... Any way, whatever not enough of is being sold/is something the average person isn't eating/has an overabundant supply for the demand seems to be the "superfood" of the day.
I have considered it.  Something like "momscience fails" or something like that.  However, it fails into the broader category of fail quotes, however, so it still fits this thread.  So says I, as the original poster/starter of this thread. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on September 18, 2014, 03:24:35 PM
Ann Coulter: YOUR 'TO DO' LIST TO SAVE AMERICA (http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-09-17.html)

QuoteThe biggest current danger for Republicans is that idiots will vote for Libertarian candidates in do-or-die Senate elections, including Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina and Colorado. (That's in addition to the "Independent" in Kansas who's a Democrat.) Democratic candidates don't have to put up with this crap -- they're even trying to dump the official Democrat in Kansas to give the stealth Democrat a better shot.

When we're all dying from lack of health care across the United States of Mexico, we'll be deeply impressed with your integrity, libertarians.

Which brings me to my final assignment this week: If you are considering voting for the Libertarian candidate in any Senate election, please send me your name and address so I can track you down and drown you.

Yeah, and freak yourself, too, Ann!

Sweet Celestia! I can't believe I actually reads this woman's books and agreed with her.

And of course she's wrong about libertarians stealing votes from Republicans. Here in Florida, it's Adrian Wyllie (http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/07/23/4250644/q-poll-libertarian-adrian-wyllie.html) who is stealing votes from Democrat Charlie Christ, not Republican Rick Scott. I even used this fact to convince my neocon mother to vote for the guy. (She doesn't like Scott, but she dislikes Christ even more!)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 18, 2014, 04:15:40 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 18, 2014, 03:24:35 PM
And of course she's wrong about libertarians stealing votes from Republicans. Here in Florida, it's Adrian Wyllie (http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/07/23/4250644/q-poll-libertarian-adrian-wyllie.html) who is stealing votes from Democrat Charlie Christ, not Republican Rick Scott. I even used this fact to convince my neocon mother to vote for the guy. (She doesn't like Scott, but she dislikes Christ even more!)

She mentioned North Carolina specifically. But polls show Sean Haugh is drawing equal support from those who would otherwise vote Hagan or Tillis. The Republicans only have themselves to blame for their inevitable loss by nominating someone as mind-bogglingly unlikeable as Tillis! This election should be a cakewalk for them, as Hagan is hated by 60% of NC voters, but Tillis is hated by more than 80% of NC voters!

As Sean said, if the Republicans really want to unseat Hagan, their only option is for Tillis to drop out the race and tell everyone to vote Libertarian.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 18, 2014, 04:57:44 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 18, 2014, 04:15:40 PM
She mentioned North Carolina specifically. But polls show Sean Haugh is drawing equal support from those who would otherwise vote Hagan or Tillis. The Republicans only have themselves to blame for their inevitable loss by nominating someone as mind-bogglingly unlikeable as Tillis! This election should be a cakewalk for them, as Hagan is hated by 60% of NC voters, but Tillis is hated by more than 80% of NC voters!

As Sean said, if the Republicans really want to unseat Hagan, their only option is for Tillis to drop out the race and tell everyone to vote Libertarian.
^This.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on September 18, 2014, 05:23:14 PM
More from IAB:
http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=103147
Some points I agree with others are just stupid
Quote
5. Obama failed to reform immigration.

He spent all of his political capital, and then some, on the failed stimulus and the ObamaCare boondoggle, leaving nothing for immigration reform. Having failed to get anything through Congress, he floated a dubious plan to enact amnesty through a unilateral executive authority that he doesnt have. Then he dropped the idea.

Instead, he has simply failed to enforce the immigration laws, contributing to a crisis on our southern border.

The result: he has managed to enrage the right, the left, and the middle. He hasnt cracked down on illegal immigration, he hasnt legalized it, and he hasnt forged any kind of compromise or consensus on the issue. Nobody is happy and nothing has been accomplished.

6. He withdrew prematurely from Iraq.

Obama was so eager to not be George W. Bush that he pulled all of our troops out of Iraq as soon as possible, then totally ignored the country, even as a terrorist threat re-established itself there. For most of this year, he foolishly downplayed the rise of the Islamic State. Even as Kurds and the Iraqi government issued increasingly panicked warnings, and the Islamic State took over more and more territory, he let the problem get worse for months without bothering to interrupt his golf schedule.

A few weeks ago, he admitted to having no strategy for dealing with the Islamic State. Last week, he hastily assembled one, but its looking like it might be unrealistic and lacks international support.

Bush went into Iraq with multiple UN resolutions, congressional approval, a broad coalition of the willing, and (as it turned out) the resolve to use whatever means were necessary to prevent a terrorist state from establishing itself there. Obama is going back into Iraq with none of that. So I guess he really isnt anything like George W. Bush.

Who could have guessed that he would be the one to suffer by that comparison?

7. He blew the Arab Spring.

When a series of uprisings overthrew dictators across the Middle East, Obama failed to adopt any meaningful policy or to turn the situation to our advantage. He dithered for so long on Egypt that all of the factions there hate him, and most of Egypts liberals concluded that he was secretly backing the Muslim Brotherhood. The result is that Egypt went right back to where it was before, except this time the military dictatorship regards America as a useless and irrelevant ally.

Meanwhile, the two places where we could have taken advantage of the Arab Spring to get rid of truly nasty dictators who have been hostile to our interests for decadesLibya and Syriaended in disaster. In Libya, the killing of our ambassador in Benghazi was just the beginning of a slow collapse into chaos and civil war. In Syria, three years of administration dithering allowed the rise of ISIS, which then spilled over into Iraq.

And lets not forget about 2009, when Iranians poured out onto the street to oppose their own brutal, theocratic, terror-sponsoring regimeand Obama sat back passively because he preferred to cut a diplomatic deal with the ayatollahs.

8. Obama ignored the threat of a resurgent Russian dictatorship.

During a debate with Mitt Romney in 2012, Obama dismissed Romneys suggestion that Russia might be a threat to American interests, sneering, The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Now its looking more like the 1970s are calling, with an aggressive Russian dictatorship invading its neighbors, leaving our European allies feeling exposed and unsure whether they can really count on support from the US and NATO. Polands foreign minister has been overheard complaining abouthow shall I put this politely?his countrys unrequited love for America.

The presidents response to Russian aggression has been to impose a few more sanctions, make a speech in Estonia, and otherwise ignore the crisis and hope it goes away.

9. He didnt shut down Guantanamo, keep the NSA from spying, or rein in the drones.

I know people who sincerely believe that all of these are good policies and who will defend them vigorously if asked. Barack Obama is not one of those people. Yet all of these policies have been pursued during his presidency, on his authority.

President Obama came into office having loudly condemned many of the Bush administrations measures against terrorism. Then he continued them. You can call this hypocrisy or you can call it subversion. But President Obama has achieved a unique combination: managing to morally discredit Americas anti-terrorism policies without actually ending them.

10. He has made America irrelevant.
You will notice that most of Obamas failures result, not from taking a bold stand, but from taking no stand and just letting events drift. Certainly, in a lot of these cases, Obama has given speeches or press conference to announce his enlightened intentionsthen done nothing to plan for how to actually achieve his goals.

But if he is irrelevant, that makes America irrelevant. We can look at the Arab Spring, at Ukraine, and at Iraq, but lets add one more example. For most of his presidency, Obama has declared his intention to pivot to Asia, extricating himself from the Middle East and focusing on bolstering our Pacific allies to peacefully manage the rise of China. Its pretty widely acknowledged that he never managed to do it, letting the Asia pivot die of neglect.

This may fit with the quasi-isolationist mood that has taken hold in America in recent years, but it is yet another case where Obama promised something very different. He campaigned on the promise that America would be more respected in the world after the Bush yearsnot that we would be considered a useless ally and an ineffectual opponent.

I dont know if you could come up with a more comprehensive list of presidential failures, encompassing foreign policy and domestic policy, economics, race, and immigration. And Im sure I left a lot of things off this list, not least of which is the targeting of Obamas political opponents by a corrupt IRS, which continues to announce the oh-so-mysterious loss of potentially incriminating data by its employees.

Combine all of this with his frequent vacations and golf outings and his fascination with the trappings of pop-culture celebrity, and you get the impression that Obama has checked out of the presidency and lost interest in the responsibility he is neither willing nor able to shoulder.

Obama was originally elected on the basis of celebrity, on vague slogans about hope and change, on a sense of self-congratulatory smugness about how progressive and enlightened we would all be if we voted for him. He was re-elected on all of that, plus the smearing of his political opposition as racists and mean rich white guys.

If the result is an utter failure of leadership, maybe there are a few lessons we ought to learn for the next presidential election.

It amazes me how conservatives will NOT give up on global social engineer-I'm sorry "Foreign Policy" or "Defense Policy".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on September 19, 2014, 12:02:43 PM
[yt]RgPHCz2AzMo[/yt]

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on September 19, 2014, 01:38:12 PM
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http://m.tickld.com/x/this-woman-just-changed-harry-potter-for-her-kids-seriously

FSM this is insane.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on September 20, 2014, 12:10:16 AM
Feminists: Slow Motion Is 'Sexist'  (http://www.nationalreview.com/%2Farticle%2F388433%2Ffeminists-slow-motion-sexist-katherine-timpf)

Slow Motion Is 'Sexist'

Slow Motion Is 'Sexist'

Slow Motion Is 'Sexist'

How do these feminist SJW breathe?!?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 20, 2014, 06:21:53 AM
This cunt (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/right-wing-vultures-start-to-circle-gamergate/)

QuoteNot that there was any doubt, but the entrance of right wing ideologues into the faux controversy "#GamerGate" makes it almost comically clear how this is not, was not, and never will be about "ethics in journalism", but about harnessing the inchoate anger of a bunch of people who feel left out by the Cool Kids and aiming it directly at the goal of eroding women's right to basic equality with men. (For those who wish to argue that point, feel free to read this (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/attacks-on-women-in-gaming-are-so-obviously-not-about-ethics-but-about-misogyny/), and please comment there, in the wasteland where zero #GamerGate enthusiasts have yet to actually argue with any of my actual points.) It was a grassroots movement of 4chan misogynists who just want to punish individual women online to get back at women as a group for some incoherent sins against them (insufficient blow jobs, not sneaking into their houses to clean shit while they're away), but now the conservative vultures are swirling. They see some marks and they, by god, are going to pick them up. And like watching a vulture tear into carrion, it's simultaneously revolting and fascinating.

Two of the biggies are this asshole from Breitbart.com and female misogynist Christina Hoff Sommers. Oh yeah, and Adam Baldwin. At the top of the list of things these two could not give less of a fuck about:

1) Ethics in journalism (I mean, good lord, it's Breitbart.com.)

2) Gaming (I mean, maybe Adam Baldwin plays games, but rest assured, he gives no fuck about the "gaming community".)

I mean, they care less about these two things than they do about where their shit goes when they flush it. The only reason—only reason—that you're starting to see figures like this inject themselves is because they see roadkill, and like good vultures, they are coming in for a feast. In this case, the "roadkill" is rageful idiot sexist gamers and the "feast" is channeling that rage into their own political ends. Which would be the promotion of misogyny and the general conservative agenda.

It's kind of interesting seeing the right wing recruiting strategy in action, particularly in a nascent stage with a new set of marks. Watching it go down, I think I've figured out the strategy.

1) Find a weakness or insecurity of some sort. Perhaps the mark is bad with women. Perhaps he feels that he's not as economically successful as he should be. Perhaps he knows he isn't as smart as he pretends to be and fears people will find him out.

2) Stoke the mark's insecurity while telling him that someone else—women, black people, gay people, you name it—is the real villain here. They are stealing from you. They are depriving you of what is rightfully yours. Think of how white people are encouraged to believe they would have all this extra money if black people weren't using up all the welfare.

3) Create a sham theory to justify their screeching, bigoted rage. Using the welfare example: Tell them that this isn't about black people, but about "fiscal conservatism" and "personal responsibility". Some will handle the bullshit better than others, but as long as some perform the dance well enough, they might be able to hoodwink the mainstream media into buying it.

4) Watch as donations to conservative orgs roll in. Republican candidates promise that they'll be able to make the people singled out in step #2 give you back what they stole from you, and they get your votes. Voila! You have someone who will likely be your stooge for life.

We can see how this is working out in #GamerGate. In fact, a lot of the work was already done for them. The sexist gamers themselves are all over #2 and #3, for instance. But let's take this step by step, to show why the vultures think they have such easy carrion to chew on.

1) Find a weakness or insecurity of some sort. Easy enough for the vultures. They're dealing with a bunch of nerdy young men here. Odds are sky-high they feel like they aren't very cool and that their sexual prospects are diminished because of it. Not saying whether that's true or not, but easy guess that this is what the marks themselves are feeling.

2) Stoke the mark's insecurity while telling him that someone else is the real villain here. The #GamerGate screechers made this laughably easy for the vultures. They blame women for not giving them the sex they feel entitled to and they feel gaming journalists are Cool Kids who are shutting them out of the parties.

But despite that, you really see how masterfully the vultures are stoking the insecurities here. Breitbart douchebag is reprinting emails from some kind of gaming journalism/industry listserv, trying a redux of the "Journolist" faux-scandal. (Full disclosure: I was on Journolist.) Back then, the excuse was that the existence of a collegial listserv amongst liberal journalists was some sort of scandal because apparently we're not supposed to be friends with each other. (Note: There are similar conservative listservs, but that's different because reasons.) But the actual motivation had a lot more to do with the ongoing resentment many conservatives in media have of their liberal brethren, because, and let's face it, liberals are just  cooler. It really was a Cool-Kids-don't-invite-us-to-the-parties thing. They're victims because we laugh at them for not knowing who Girl Talk is. Not that they'd ever admit it, but there's a reason that these kind of "wah, we're not invited to their parties" faux-scandals only go one way.

I'm not saying liberals are cool, mind you. I mean, I am. *cough* But liberals are certainly cooler, and everything is relative when it comes to the politics of resentment.

Sommers doesn't even try to hide that this is the game she is playing: "Well, now, gamers are dealing with a new army of critics: gender activists and, I don't know, hipsters with a degree in cultural studies." In other words, she's trying to tell them that the girls and the Cool Kids that they already resent for supposedly shunning them are now trying to steal their games. It's like yelling "Obamaphone" at a bunch of Sarah Palin fans.

3) Create a sham theory to justify their screeching, bigoted rage. Yeah, the "ethics in journalism" thing. "Ethics" being defined as "how dare you go to parties or have sexual encounters in which I and 5,000 other 19-year-old gamers you don't know weren't invited".

4) Turn your new recruits towards political gain. Still up in the air, but I have little doubt that many of the guys being targeted now will soon be amendable to hearing about how they need to vote Republican to keep those sluts from getting abortions. You know, because of ethics in journalism or whatever.

But I do, as I've said before, feel kind of bad for some of the participants in #GamerGate. It's hard to, I know, when you're dealing with people who think a multi-week harassment campaign against some random woman because she has a normal social and sexual life is okay. But honestly, a lot of these guys are really young, like high school and early years of college young. Their youth is part of the reason the vultures are swirling, of course, because they know that if you get 'em young, you often have 'em for life. But that's also why it's really sad. A lot of these guys probably would probably have been okay. I was a a bit of a late bloomer. I'll bet many of the people they are targeting with jealous rage were, too. But now a lot of people who might have otherwise been late bloomers who turned out alright are on the path to being seething, misogynist wingnuts. (Which is not going to help them in the getting invited to parties, people's beds department.) They really are being targeted by vultures. I just hope some of them wake up and see what's happening before they're too far gone.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 20, 2014, 08:55:06 AM
Quote from: D on September 20, 2014, 06:21:53 AM
This cunt (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/right-wing-vultures-start-to-circle-gamergate/)

Is it just me, or does that read like the rantings of someone whose ideology is circling the drain and she knows it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on September 20, 2014, 09:40:54 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 18, 2014, 03:24:35 PM
Ann Coulter: YOUR 'TO DO' LIST TO SAVE AMERICA (http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-09-17.html)

Yeah, and freak yourself, too, Ann!

Sweet Celestia! I can't believe I actually reads this woman's books and agreed with her.

And of course she's wrong about libertarians stealing votes from Republicans. Here in Florida, it's Adrian Wyllie (http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/07/23/4250644/q-poll-libertarian-adrian-wyllie.html) who is stealing votes from Democrat Charlie Christ, not Republican Rick Scott. I even used this fact to convince my neocon mother to vote for the guy. (She doesn't like Scott, but she dislikes Christ even more!)

I nominate Ann Coulter for Idiot Extraordinaire.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 20, 2014, 09:58:06 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 20, 2014, 08:55:06 AM
Is it just me, or does that read like the rantings of someone whose ideology is circling the drain and she knows it?

You could say that about a lot of social justice writers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 20, 2014, 10:16:14 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 20, 2014, 08:55:06 AM
Is it just me, or does that read like the rantings of someone whose ideology is circling the drain and she knows it?

She knows that there is a real possibility of her desperately needed climate of impunity disappearing as a result of this scandal, and knows she'll need to find real work if that happens.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 20, 2014, 11:22:34 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 20, 2014, 12:04:24 PM
Quote from: VectorM on September 19, 2014, 12:02:43 PM
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Does anyone have a video about the difference between an insult and an ad homiem?
I'm tired of seeing this argument.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 20, 2014, 12:06:23 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 20, 2014, 12:04:24 PM
Does anyone have a video about the difference between an insult and an ad homiem?
I'm tired of seeing this argument.

Why do you need a video? It can be explained in 5 seconds: "You're wrong therefore you're an idiot" is not an ad hominem; "You're an idiot therefore you're wrong" is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 20, 2014, 12:32:37 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 20, 2014, 12:06:23 PM
Why do you need a video? It can be explained in 5 seconds: "You're wrong therefore you're an idiot" is not an ad hominem; "You're an idiot therefore you're wrong" is.
It seems to be the only they will listen.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 20, 2014, 01:33:45 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 20, 2014, 12:32:37 PM
It seems to be the only they will listen.

Maybe I'll make a quick "dumbass" style video on it...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 20, 2014, 01:35:54 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 20, 2014, 01:33:45 PM
Maybe I'll make a quick "dumbass" style video on it...
I've got my fingers crossed! ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on September 20, 2014, 01:47:35 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on September 20, 2014, 11:22:34 AM
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Three words: Purchasing Power Parity!

look it up.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 20, 2014, 02:24:39 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on September 20, 2014, 11:22:34 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10670016_10152683497842908_7124211827803996642_n.png?oh=5236cca8b472c4905ab608e0e8bf04a5&oe=54C2AA8F&__gda__=1419185114_0fb5763e5de2053c16b72936c0904f96)

Official Unemployment Rates around the world (meaning those that gave up don't count): 2013

Denmark: 7.1% Australia 5.6% Germany: 5.3% France:10.5% United States 7.5%.
As far as these 5 countries are concerned, Denmark and the United States represent the median. This is despite the fact (according to the OP) that they represent the outlayers on price fixing. This would suggest something other than the number behind the dollar sign being responsible for unemployment among those with sufficient skill to bother filling out an application.

source : http://www.ilo.org/global/research/global-reports/global-employment-trends/2014/WCMS_233936/lang--en/index.htm (http://www.ilo.org/global/research/global-reports/global-employment-trends/2014/WCMS_233936/lang--en/index.htm)

The column I'm looking at is the third one from the right, as that is the most recent year full data is available. If you look at the two to the right of that, so far not much is changing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 20, 2014, 05:53:37 PM
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6129925/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 20, 2014, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on September 20, 2014, 01:47:35 PM
Three words: Purchasing Power Parity!

look it up.

I once went through the just the income and sales taxes, without looking at the actual prices of things (which are generally higher in any country in Western Europe), and came to the determination that what you actually have to spend from a full-time minimum wage job in Denmark is slightly LESS than one in Ontario, Canada (where the minimum wage was $10.25 at the time).

It's no wonder that Danes live in relative squalor.  At my (slightly better than minimum wage) job, I manage a pretty nifty apartment and even the odd night out.  A Dane in the same situation probably couldn't afford more than a bed-sit, and I've got a bedroom, kitchen, den and storage/work room.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on September 20, 2014, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on September 20, 2014, 11:22:34 AM
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Hey, don't Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Austria, Italy, or Switzerland. None of them have minimum wage, and none of them have people starving in the streets.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on September 21, 2014, 02:31:46 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 20, 2014, 07:42:19 PM
Hey, don't Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Austria, Italy, or Switzerland. None of them have minimum wage, and none of them have people starving in the streets.

Germany doesn't have a minimum wage, so that graphic is part fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on September 21, 2014, 03:40:42 PM
http://m.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/09/climate-change-is-an-opportunity-to-dramatically-reinvent-the-economy/380429/ (http://m.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/09/climate-change-is-an-opportunity-to-dramatically-reinvent-the-economy/380429/)

QuoteCan you imagine if after 9/11 if President Bush had just said: "You know, our liberty and way of life has been threatened so I'm going to propose a market solution to terrorism."

And how did government intervention exactly help counter terrorism? We spent obscene amounts of money on the war on terror and we're no more safe than we were before 9/11.

But I take it that government intervention will totes fix climate change. After all, what better institution is better suited to curb pollution than the biggest polluter in the world? /s

Claims government needs to do something about climate change. Uses War on Terror as an example.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 22, 2014, 02:21:23 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 21, 2014, 03:40:42 PM
http://m.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/09/climate-change-is-an-opportunity-to-dramatically-reinvent-the-economy/380429/ (http://m.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/09/climate-change-is-an-opportunity-to-dramatically-reinvent-the-economy/380429/)

And how did government intervention exactly help counter terrorism? We spent obscene amounts of money on the war on terror and we're no more safe than we were before 9/11.

But I take it that government intervention will totes fix climate change. After all, what better institution is better suited to curb pollution than the biggest polluter in the world? /s

You got a cluon from me. I feel LESS safe because gov't post 9/11. and gov't has had 40 years (that I know of) to fix climate.

Claims government needs to do something about climate change. Uses War on Terror as an example.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on September 22, 2014, 07:29:02 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 22, 2014, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: tnu on September 22, 2014, 07:29:02 AM
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Basic logic fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 22, 2014, 09:24:41 PM
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Apparently Niero is one of the gaming journalists and runs Destructoid.

Goes to show we're dealing with fucking toddlers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on September 23, 2014, 08:06:35 PM
Some Fark on FARK: http://www.fark.com/comments/8424501/93115221#c93115221 (http://www.fark.com/comments/8424501/93115221#c93115221)

On the war in Syria:

QuoteSeeing things through black and white must be pleasant.

We're effectively trying to perform damage control on a situation that was allowed to escalate thanks to a godawful handling of politics in the region from the previous administration combined with an attempt to prevent Assad from becoming another Saddam, but instead of riding in like cowboys to "liberate the shiat" out of Syria, we're letting them do it themselves with a touch of help here and there.

But I guess by the very simplest and basic definition, "War" could be defined as "violent actions in another country's borders".

So it's not war? It's just "violent actions in another country's borders"?

Then I guess I didn't rob you. I just snuck into your house and stole your stuff when you weren't there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 23, 2014, 11:43:56 PM
So as much as I love Menno Henselmans' work, I suppose it was only a matter of time before I found a fail:

"Rights are oppressive by nature. They imply that not being restricted in your actions is somehow something to be thankful for instead of simply the default of a free society."--him on Facebook.  I can't even PARSE that.  Hawkeye notes that he is wordsmithing in this.

From:  https://www.facebook.com/BayesianBodybuilding/posts/605803672810805

Okay, this next one isn't so much a fail, but I'm posting it anyways just because it feels like he kinda missed the point:
https://www.facebook.com/BayesianBodybuilding/posts/717594778298360
In his defense though, if his caffeine and biosignature articles are any indicator, he is most certainly NOT a feminist, and yeah, the picture really could have gone with much more muscular guys to make the point, but yeah...it just felt like half assed/phoned in on both sides to some extent.

To be fair, even if reading that much into that quote is annoying, on face value it is a win, so I don't think less of him for it.  Since, unlike Thunderf00t and C0nc0rdance, at least it's extremely rare for Menno to go out of his field of expertise and post fails on politics/economics/rights theory/etc (I only count the first one above as a fail tbh).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on September 24, 2014, 05:13:36 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 24, 2014, 07:15:15 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 23, 2014, 08:06:35 PM
Some Fark on FARK: http://www.fark.com/comments/8424501/93115221#c93115221 (http://www.fark.com/comments/8424501/93115221#c93115221)

On the war in Syria:

So it's not war? It's just "violent actions in another country's borders"?

Then I guess I didn't rob you. I just snuck into your house and stole your stuff when you weren't there.

I keep thinking of the Stargate Atlantis episode "The Game": http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/The_Game

Even with the best of intentions, their meddling escalated quickly!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 24, 2014, 07:17:04 AM
Quote from: tnu on September 24, 2014, 05:13:36 AM
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It shouldn't be at all surprising that an anti-vaccer would make a statement showing complete ignorance of how vaccines and immunity work.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on September 24, 2014, 07:18:41 AM
QuoteI vote in the two party system. I feel my vote is wasted if I vote 3rd party.

So, since I am aware that a vote for the lesser of two evils, according to me, how would developing the ideology of a libertarian, Voluntaryist, or Anarchist change anything, or the system?

It seem all it would do is cause me not to vote at all...

You guys need to start a revolution to change anything.... Good luck..
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 24, 2014, 08:56:04 AM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10520774_1491978437755003_2703623527759312371_n.jpg?oh=bb62fd9d92f36f760fa7aa355e8b3493&oe=548B572F)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on September 24, 2014, 09:40:42 AM
when I posted Shane's video on herd immunity t an anti-vaccer


QuoteI don't believe the video is correct! I only watched 4 minutes of it....it's a catch 22! I believe vaccinated people have weaker immune systems and I also believe they have more diseased bodies because the over use of vaccines weaken your immune system! God gave us an immune system to fight off diseases, the vaccinated are spreading the diseases, I don't believe vaccines are the answer....to many kids have suffered! So the image here is what I was referring to! Daniel do you know the ingredients in one vaccine? did you know they are putting toxic substances in our children and causing neurological problems? I grew up in the 80's, never met not one autistic kid! Today there are thousands of messed up kids because the has been an over use of TOO many vaccines that lots of kids have become extremely ill due multiples! My kids are way more vaccinated than I am....I am healthier than my kids and only had maybe 4 or 5 as a kid....my one kid who is severely autistic had 21 before she was 19 months old, they had mercury in them! My other girl has health problems and is only 26....so read more about multiple vaccines and try to find safety studies to support this and then maybe we can discuss herd immunity! This county is hurting the kids because they are not vaccinating SAFELY!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 24, 2014, 09:56:13 AM
Quote from: tnu on September 24, 2014, 09:40:42 AM
when I posted Shane's video on herd immunity t an anti-vaccer
Gotta love the use of words, "believe" if as if this a faith issue.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 24, 2014, 08:47:34 PM
Quote from: tnu on September 24, 2014, 09:40:42 AM
when I posted Shane's video on herd immunity t an anti-vaccer
Then, why is polio not spreading even faster?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 25, 2014, 12:02:15 PM
Wow. I KNOW Rebecca's more intelligent than this. But feminism's her gris-gris, I guess...

[yt]_PceAEm4Q4E[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2014, 12:07:35 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 25, 2014, 12:02:15 PM
Wow. I KNOW Rebecca's more intelligent than this. But feminism's her gris-gris, I guess...

[yt]_PceAEm4Q4E[/yt]
I thought it was "gree gree"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 25, 2014, 12:21:01 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2014, 12:07:35 PM
I thought it was "gree gree"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gris-gris_(talisman)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2014, 12:22:41 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 25, 2014, 12:21:01 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gris-gris_(talisman)
Thanks. :)
Hawkeye must have told it wrong to me.  Oh well. My bad for not looking it up. XD
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 25, 2014, 01:30:16 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 25, 2014, 12:02:15 PM
Wow. I KNOW Rebecca's more intelligent than this. But feminism's her gris-gris, I guess...

[yt]_PceAEm4Q4E[/yt]

Wow, what a lying sack of shit.

Fuck her.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on September 25, 2014, 03:37:52 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10006181_677888798939698_44370833_n.jpg?oh=7a5e66187d8b770549377208d928b95b&oe=54C8706B&__gda__=1422487434_35df67dfa167fca2b6cc6d60ecca5f88)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on September 25, 2014, 08:40:38 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 25, 2014, 12:02:15 PM
Wow. I KNOW Rebecca's more intelligent than this. But feminism's her gris-gris, I guess...

[yt]_PceAEm4Q4E[/yt]

This needs to be in a bogosity podcast, if not this week then hopefully soon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 25, 2014, 10:17:49 PM
Quote from: D on September 25, 2014, 01:30:16 PM
Wow, what a lying sack of shit.

Fuck her.

Are you surprised by the antics of the person who invented Elevatorgate?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 26, 2014, 12:55:38 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2014, 12:07:35 PM
I thought it was "gree gree"?

It's PRONOUNCED "gree gree" and spelled gris-gris.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 26, 2014, 02:59:21 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on September 26, 2014, 12:55:38 AM
It's PRONOUNCED "gree gree" and spelled gris-gris.
That explains it.  Thanks DAllen. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 26, 2014, 07:48:21 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on September 25, 2014, 10:17:49 PM
Are you surprised by the antics of the person who invented Elevatorgate?

No, I'm not, but it doesn't change the fact that she's still a lying sack of shit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on September 26, 2014, 10:09:03 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-laws-everyone-would-hate-that-world-needs-anyway/

#1-I'm SURE it will be different this time!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 26, 2014, 10:40:37 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on September 26, 2014, 10:09:03 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-laws-everyone-would-hate-that-world-needs-anyway/

#1-I'm SURE it will be different this time!

Given that he appears to only consider serial killer cops to be PROBLEMATIC...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on September 27, 2014, 04:40:27 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on September 26, 2014, 10:09:03 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-laws-everyone-would-hate-that-world-needs-anyway/

#1-I'm SURE it will be different this time!

"Need" is a very strong word for any of these laws. It sounds more like a douchy I know whats best for you attitude.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on September 28, 2014, 12:29:39 AM
http://mises.org/daily/6898/Lowering-Taxes-Is-the-Only-Decent-Tax-Reform

This is ridiculous, so it's okay for the government to favor some investments over others?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 28, 2014, 04:17:47 AM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on September 28, 2014, 12:29:39 AM
http://mises.org/daily/6898/Lowering-Taxes-Is-the-Only-Decent-Tax-Reform

This is ridiculous, so it's okay for the government to favor some investments over others?

Firstly, it is inherent in the nature of government to always favor some subset over the rest of the whole.

Secondly, what does 'okay' have to do with government?

In any case, the author clearly has no idea what he's talking about.  Tax holidays are a disaster for the producers of the goods and services affected by them:  First there is a tremendous demand for them, as great as can be filled, and then the tax holiday ends and demand collapses until such time as the previously purchased supply is used up.  This is particularly destructive for producers of durable goods, as the downturn is likely to last for years.  Increasing the complexity of the tax code by expanding loopholes, shelters, etc. will only allow for further power in the hands of tax collectors and tax law/regulation authors, with the inevitable increase in corruption.

The article is advocating doing precisely the opposite of what would improve matters.  Removing loopholes and deductions from taxation will increase the pain they cause, and promote political pressure against them.  Exposing, not hiding, the effects of taxation is the only route to removing it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on September 28, 2014, 04:32:28 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on September 28, 2014, 04:17:47 AM
Firstly, it is inherent in the nature of government to always favor some subset over the rest of the whole.

Secondly, what does 'okay' have to do with government?

In any case, the author clearly has no idea what he's talking about.  Tax holidays are a disaster for the producers of the goods and services affected by them:  First there is a tremendous demand for them, as great as can be filled, and then the tax holiday ends and demand collapses until such time as the previously purchased supply is used up.  This is particularly destructive for producers of durable goods, as the downturn is likely to last for years.  Increasing the complexity of the tax code by expanding loopholes, shelters, etc. will only allow for further power in the hands of tax collectors and tax law/regulation authors, with the inevitable increase in corruption.

The article is advocating doing precisely the opposite of what would improve matters.  Removing loopholes and deductions from taxation will increase the pain they cause, and promote political pressure against them.  Exposing, not hiding, the effects of taxation is the only route to removing it.


You said it better anyway I nominate this for BBE/IE
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 28, 2014, 08:41:30 AM
Source (https://richarddawkins.net/2014/09/if-isis-is-not-islamic-then-the-inquisition-was-not-catholic/)

QuoteAs ISIS slaughters its way though Syria and Iraq, it became inevitable that we'd hear from apologists who claim that ISIS is not in fact "true Islam," and that its depredations are due to something other than religious motivation. Those motivations, say the apologists, are political (usually Western colonialism that engenders resentment), cultural (societal tradition), or anything other than religion.

These apologists, of course, which now include President Obama, are motivated by a desire to avoid criticizing religion at all costs—especially Islam. In America, criticizing religion is political suicide, and Obama naturally wants to do all he can to encourage "moderate" Muslims. As Sam Harris concluded on a post on his website, some "scholars and pseudo-scholars" cling to a ludicrous notion that the actions of jihadis like those of ISIS aren't motivated by religion. As he noted: "experts claim that one can't take Islamists and jihadists at their word: Their incessant declarations about God, paradise, martyrdom, and the evils of apostasy are nothing more than a mask concealing their real motivations."

The apologists are also motivated by another form of denial. Yes, they say, jihadis may be motivated by Islam, but it's not "true" Islam. True Islam is peaceful, and its adherents would never slaughter apostates, behead journalists, or forcibly convert non-Muslims. This is what Obama said the other night when explaining his plan to dismantle ISIS (or "ISIL," as he calls it):

Personally, I don't give a single fuck about whether they're "True Muslims" or whatever, but the fact remains that Western foreign policies DO play a fucking role in the actions of these people. You watch your family get blown to smithereens by foreign bombers and see how you react.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 28, 2014, 12:39:37 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByoXnLXIIAAMoqX.jpg)
Source:  https://twitter.com/TheDailyEdge/status/516251069404676096/photo/1
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 30, 2014, 01:48:29 PM
https://twitter.com/Huscoon/status/516998767745445888
I hate when people pull out the "patriarchy" excuse for the pay gap stuff...while ignoring the pay gap isn't a thing once you control for other factors, and then try to act like those two: profits and patriarchy aren't mutually exclusive.
And then the pillock tries to link me to some feminist literature talking about how capitalism and patriarchy is about partnership.  What a tool.
As I tried to explain to him, if the pay gap were a thing, it would be WAY too profitable to break ranks.
Needless to say, I'm not going to read that conspiracy feminist garbage.

Even if I don't convince him, at least I'll get the info out.  Also, something he posted that needs to be in this thread as well:

http://www.notsorryfeminism.com/2014/08/mocking-mras-is-easy-real-sexism.html
Bitch, please.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 30, 2014, 02:30:44 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20082_6-insane-stereotypes-that-movies-cant-seem-to-get-over_p2.html
#1. Seriously, In Fantasy Movies, Everyone Has to Be White.
Hey assholes! Most western fantasy movies are based on European medieval history. There weren't many black people in medieval europe.
And Game of Thrones is partially based on the War of the Roses, so of course the cast are going to be white.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 30, 2014, 04:40:25 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 30, 2014, 02:30:44 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20082_6-insane-stereotypes-that-movies-cant-seem-to-get-over_p2.html
#1. Seriously, In Fantasy Movies, Everyone Has to Be White.
Hey assholes! Most western fantasy movies are based on European medieval history. There weren't many black people in medieval europe.
And Game of Thrones is partially based on the War of the Roses, so of course the cast are going to be white.

And you just know that if the (mostly white, incidentally) Hollywood types decided to try making fantasy films based on other cultures, where it would be appropriate to have a non-white cast, there would be the cry of 'cultural appropriation!'
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 30, 2014, 04:56:46 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on September 30, 2014, 04:40:25 PM
And you just know that if the (mostly white, incidentally) Hollywood types decided to try making fantasy films based on other cultures, where it would be appropriate to have a non-white cast, there would be the cry of 'cultural appropriation!'
^This.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 30, 2014, 07:17:26 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 30, 2014, 02:30:44 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20082_6-insane-stereotypes-that-movies-cant-seem-to-get-over_p2.html
#1. Seriously, In Fantasy Movies, Everyone Has to Be White.
Hey assholes! Most western fantasy movies are based on European medieval history. There weren't many black people in medieval europe.
And Game of Thrones is partially based on the War of the Roses, so of course the cast are going to be white.

I guess if you arbitrarily don't define martial arts movies like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon as fantasy, even though they absolutely are.

And the Harry Potter movies had MUCH more than the "token black kid," such as Cho Chang (aborted love interest for Harry) and the Patil twins.

Plus, Britain in the 1990s was over 90% white.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 01, 2014, 07:25:57 AM
If Africa had a Hollywood, you'd see a lot of black people in their movies folks.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 01, 2014, 08:14:35 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on October 01, 2014, 07:25:57 AM
If Africa had a Hollywood, you'd see a lot of black people in their movies folks.

In India they do have a Hollywood (in fact, they make more movies and TV shows in Mumbai that they do in Hollywood), and European-looking people only appear in things set in the recent past where they are European characters.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 01, 2014, 11:20:41 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on October 01, 2014, 08:14:35 AM
In India they do have a Hollywood (in fact, they make more movies and TV shows in Mumbai that they do in Hollywood), and European-looking people only appear in things set in the recent past where they are European characters.
Yup.  Called Bollywood IIRC.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 01, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on October 01, 2014, 08:14:35 AM
In India they do have a Hollywood (in fact, they make more movies and TV shows in Mumbai that they do in Hollywood), and European-looking people only appear in things set in the recent past where they are European characters.
Its only racist when white people do it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 01, 2014, 05:05:03 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 01, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
Its only racist when white people do it.

That seems to be a long-standing criterion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 01, 2014, 05:23:28 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 01, 2014, 05:05:03 PM
That seems to be a long-standing criterion.
Natch.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 02, 2014, 07:04:05 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/s720x720/10284819_835823733118776_647610305988826638_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 02, 2014, 10:21:57 AM
Quote from: D on October 02, 2014, 07:04:05 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/s720x720/10284819_835823733118776_647610305988826638_o.jpg)
Just like how the NHS made all healthcare free! That solved all their problems! Right?
Oh wait...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 02, 2014, 11:12:46 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/942695_285030598355735_235764002586747279_n.jpg?oh=17c0f458804fce34a1edd0fc259747fe&oe=54B07E40&__gda__=1422373050_c5d4f59148fd433a8e2773f7e68a00d7)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 02, 2014, 11:36:18 AM
Quote from: D on October 02, 2014, 11:12:46 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/942695_285030598355735_235764002586747279_n.jpg?oh=17c0f458804fce34a1edd0fc259747fe&oe=54B07E40&__gda__=1422373050_c5d4f59148fd433a8e2773f7e68a00d7)

You know, it's things like this that show you have absolutely no argument to make whatsoever, and absolutely nothing worthwhile to contribute to the conversation. Even if I were inclined to make a parody graphic like this, I would base it on actual issues and defensible positions. This isn't parody; this is ad hominem. Ad hominem can NEVER be parody.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 02, 2014, 11:52:30 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 02, 2014, 11:36:18 AM
You know, it's things like this that show you have absolutely no argument to make whatsoever, and absolutely nothing worthwhile to contribute to the conversation. Even if I were inclined to make a parody graphic like this, I would base it on actual issues and defensible positions. This isn't parody; this is ad hominem. Ad hominem can NEVER be parody.
And you just got another cluon for this. :) It's something a few too many statists, and indeed woos in general, don't seem to grasp.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 02, 2014, 02:49:37 PM
https://plus.google.com/112759301310383471622/posts/gqSpcM3oDbX
Oh, furry fandom, I try to love you, and as someone who has been into it at least since he was 16 (10+ years now), you'll always have a place in my heart.  But goddamnit, why must you be so into leftist mysticism?

I still remember Hawkeye saying an experience he had with furries online, way back when he was just first getting into politics, etc and, as leftists, they were some of the most pompous, smarmiest and most arrogant douchebags he ever met.  So much so he didn't enter the fandom or left that account or something (though I know he's still a sympathizer). And noting his thoughts afterwards were something long the lines of, "Suffice to say, their arrogance makes you long for the chance to shove their heads into their torsos and let them drown in their own bile."

Another bit was of him saying that people make the best achievements between the ages of 18 and 30.  That is not an absolute rule.  Norman Borlaug anyone? Or what about folks like Michael Faraday who, because they tend to rely more on experiementation, were more or less making good work, etc for their whole lives?

"Our greatest accomplishments are done between 18 and 30.  Einstein did his best work in his 20's.  Nikola Tesla was phenomenal in his 20's. Because when you are young, your mind is agile, it has superior clarity so even if you don't fully understand a subject, you can assimilate the information in huge amounts especially if you are truly hungry for understanding.  It takes a teenager to say "Fuck the system!" to strike out on his or her revolutionary path to change the world.  Sometimes you win, sometimes you crash and burn, but you keep going.  Complacency is the enemy of progress. "

The "fuck the system attitude" that he, as a liberal, does NOT have (liberals, you ARE the status quo, you are not rebels.)
It's like Menno Henselmans once said:  "J-Lo too old? You're only old if you let yourself get old, at least until your 60s. Even BBers peak in their 30s."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 02, 2014, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 02, 2014, 02:49:37 PM
https://plus.google.com/112759301310383471622/posts/gqSpcM3oDbX
Oh, furry fandom, I try to love you, and as someone who has been into it at least since he was 16 (10+ years now), you'll always have a place in my heart.  But goddamnit, why must you be so into leftist mysticism?

I still remember Hawkeye saying an experience he had with furries online, way back when he was just first getting into politics, etc and, as leftists, they were some of the most pompous, smarmiest and most arrogant douchebags he ever met.  So much so he didn't enter the fandom or left that account or something (though I know he's still a sympathizer). And noting his thoughts afterwards were something long the lines of, "Suffice to say, their arrogance makes you long for the chance to shove their heads into their torsos and let them drown in their own bile."

Another bit was of him saying that people make the best achievements between the ages of 18 and 30.  That is not an absolute rule.  Norman Borlaug anyone? Or what about folks like Michael Faraday who, because they tend to rely more on experiementation, were more or less making good work, etc for their whole lives?

"Our greatest accomplishments are done between 18 and 30.  Einstein did his best work in his 20's.  Nikola Tesla was phenomenal in his 20's. Because when you are young, your mind is agile, it has superior clarity so even if you don't fully understand a subject, you can assimilate the information in huge amounts especially if you are truly hungry for understanding.  It takes a teenager to say "Fuck the system!" to strike out on his or her revolutionary path to change the world.  Sometimes you win, sometimes you crash and burn, but you keep going.  Complacency is the enemy of progress. "

The "fuck the system attitude" that he, as a liberal, does NOT have (liberals, you ARE the status quo, you are not rebels.)
It's like Menno Henselmans once said:  "J-Lo too old? You're only old if you let yourself get old, at least until your 60s. Even BBers peak in their 30s."

His arrogance is matched by his ignorance, as well.  Tesla didn't even start on any important electrical work until he was 26, and didn't strike out on his own (and start the really important stuff, beginning with the basics of AC power) until he was 30.  He didn't start working on radio until he was 37, and didn't have anything practical he was willing to show in public until he was past 40.  Simply, ALL of Tesla's really significant work occurred AFTER he was 30 (and, incidentally, entirely on the basis that he could make money off of it, which he did, at a pace sufficient to fund his often very expensive experimental programs).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 02, 2014, 05:24:06 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/150930_532976906736795_183612498_n.png?oh=56d322de4f1ddd864f8ecf0d9b6dd39b&oe=54CD9CF1&__gda__=1421494607_d0a654e6336c84cd920db30f60a60af6)

Blatant lie is blatant (http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/norway).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 02, 2014, 05:35:17 PM
Quote from: D on October 02, 2014, 05:24:06 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/150930_532976906736795_183612498_n.png?oh=56d322de4f1ddd864f8ecf0d9b6dd39b&oe=54CD9CF1&__gda__=1421494607_d0a654e6336c84cd920db30f60a60af6)

Blatant lie is blatant (http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/norway).
Um, he DOES know that the USA has the highest corporate income tax in the world right?  And that it forces companies to pay taxes even IF you move away, unless you pay out the ass to revoke your citizenship, right? But as you'd say:  He.  Doesn't.  Care.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 02, 2014, 05:37:42 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 02, 2014, 05:35:17 PM
Um, he DOES know that the USA has the highest corporate income tax in the world right?  And that it forces companies to pay taxes even IF you move away, unless you pay out the ass to revoke your citizenship, right? But as you'd say:  He.  Doesn't.  Care.

I don't take the picture seriously because you don't even have to go beyond the top part of the image to see blatant lying. If it can't even go one single sentence without lying, there's no reason to bother with the rest.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 02, 2014, 07:09:54 PM
Quote from: D on October 02, 2014, 05:37:42 PM
I don't take the picture seriously because you don't even have to go beyond the top part of the image to see blatant lying. If it can't even go one single sentence without lying, there's no reason to bother with the rest.
True, but what can I say? I like to be thorough. #PerfectionistProblems
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 03, 2014, 02:13:18 PM
[yt]IhL-InxRArg[/yt]
Cracked. Let's make up problems.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 04, 2014, 12:26:44 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 03, 2014, 02:13:18 PM
[yt]IhL-InxRArg[/yt]
Cracked. Let's make up problems.

And pretty much by proxy lie about Colorado...

(btw, legalization there= huge success thus far)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 04, 2014, 01:31:52 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on September 30, 2014, 01:48:29 PM
https://twitter.com/Huscoon/status/516998767745445888
I hate when people pull out the "patriarchy" excuse for the pay gap stuff...while ignoring the pay gap isn't a thing once you control for other factors, and then try to act like those two: profits and patriarchy aren't mutually exclusive.
And then the pillock tries to link me to some feminist literature talking about how capitalism and patriarchy is about partnership.  What a tool.
As I tried to explain to him, if the pay gap were a thing, it would be WAY too profitable to break ranks.
Needless to say, I'm not going to read that conspiracy feminist garbage.

Even if I don't convince him, at least I'll get the info out.  Also, something he posted that needs to be in this thread as well:

http://www.notsorryfeminism.com/2014/08/mocking-mras-is-easy-real-sexism.html
Bitch, please.
And someone deleted the conversation.  Wow, stay classy @OhHeyTDK & @Huscoon.  So much for #Respect
Assholes.
As I just posted on Twitter (not a fail):

My experience with them reminds me of a friend of mine, Lord T Hawkeye when he first met with furries.
Basically, they were arrogant smarmy liberals (like most furs are) to the point where he didn't join the fandom. In Hawkeye's own words:
"Suffice to say, their arrogance makes you long for the chance to shove their heads into their torsos and let them drown in their own bile."
Oh, furry fandom, I try to love you, and as someone who has been into it at least since he was 16 (10+ years now),
you'll always have a place in my heart. But goddamnit, why must you be so into leftist mysticism?
#AnarchoCapitalistProblems #RationalistProblems
Needless to say if I didn't find the fandom before politics, I'd have never joined the fandom, and would probably be a sympathizer like my friend Lord T Hawkeye.
Kinda makes me wish I screencapped the convo. Oh well. Personally, I don't see how it was a respectful conversation.
When the SJW was being a smarmy arrogant and dismissive ass, ignoring contradictions in sources and double standards, and definitions.
That kind of dishonest behavior is NOT respect. It's not even a cheap imitation. It's browbeating, and bullying and more worthy of a
cult member like from Christianity, the cult of the omnipotent state, or Scientology.
I wish there were more Libertarian and Anarcho Capitalist furries. :(
Of the hundreds of thousands of furs, I can count the ancap/libertarian ones I know on one hand (maybe two) and they're nearly all felines..
..for some reason. Independence + cats. I guess it makes sense. XD
I swear, I'm the only canine ancap fur I know of. At least I match half of the black and gold flag. X3 #BlackAndYellow
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 04, 2014, 06:30:36 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzFvVhcCQAAe_fM.png)

This was the same jackass who said he respects ISIS more than gamers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 04, 2014, 07:41:47 AM
Quote from: D on October 04, 2014, 06:30:36 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzFvVhcCQAAe_fM.png)

This was the same jackass who said he respects ISIS more than gamers.

Does NAMBLA also believe that the sky is blue?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 04, 2014, 10:53:56 AM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on October 04, 2014, 10:37:32 AM
[yt]ruILuq4fiKo[/yt]

Why is this a fail?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 04, 2014, 11:09:59 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzEl4HECEAAWo30.jpg:large)

Aaaahg, so bad on so many levels (that I even spent an extended period of time hunting up that image so you could all see it).

This is not the sort of nonsense I expect from a Sun newspaper, which is usually one of the saner newspaper brands around.

(For those unfamiliar with the chain of Sun newspapers in Canada, they only bear superficial similarities to the Sun of the UK, being tabloid format and having a very attractive and scantily clad woman on the third page.  The Canadian ones are normally fairly solid, if brief, in their news coverage, and quite noticeably unfriendly to the Left.  The Toronto Sun was the start, and emerged from the ruins of the Toronto Telegram when one of their unions drove it out of business during a strike, so this is quite understandable.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 04, 2014, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 04, 2014, 01:31:52 AM
And someone deleted the conversation.  Wow, stay classy @OhHeyTDK & @Huscoon.  So much for #Respect
Assholes.
As I just posted on Twitter (not a fail):

My experience with them reminds me of a friend of mine, Lord T Hawkeye when he first met with furries.
Basically, they were arrogant smarmy liberals (like most furs are) to the point where he didn't join the fandom. In Hawkeye's own words:
"Suffice to say, their arrogance makes you long for the chance to shove their heads into their torsos and let them drown in their own bile."
Oh, furry fandom, I try to love you, and as someone who has been into it at least since he was 16 (10+ years now),
you'll always have a place in my heart. But goddamnit, why must you be so into leftist mysticism?
#AnarchoCapitalistProblems #RationalistProblems
Needless to say if I didn't find the fandom before politics, I'd have never joined the fandom, and would probably be a sympathizer like my friend Lord T Hawkeye.
Kinda makes me wish I screencapped the convo. Oh well. Personally, I don't see how it was a respectful conversation.
When the SJW was being a smarmy arrogant and dismissive ass, ignoring contradictions in sources and double standards, and definitions.
That kind of dishonest behavior is NOT respect. It's not even a cheap imitation. It's browbeating, and bullying and more worthy of a
cult member like from Christianity, the cult of the omnipotent state, or Scientology.
I wish there were more Libertarian and Anarcho Capitalist furries. :(
Of the hundreds of thousands of furs, I can count the ancap/libertarian ones I know on one hand (maybe two) and they're nearly all felines..
..for some reason. Independence + cats. I guess it makes sense. XD
I swear, I'm the only canine ancap fur I know of. At least I match half of the black and gold flag. X3 #BlackAndYellow

Here be his responses after last night:
Quote from: @OhHeyTDK
@TravisRetriever @Huscoon Wait what?
@TravisRetriever @Huscoon Oh snap I know what happened. I was deleting old tweets with an app and it must have been caught accidentally. :o
@TravisRetriever I'm sorry that you think that I was being disrespectful towards you just because I disagree with you.
@TravisRetriever And I am far from a SJW, believe me. Besides, I used to be libertarian just like you until I had a shift in views.

@TravisRetriever And yes the convo was deleted but so we're about 2,100 other tweets. So I wasn't trying to cover anything up.
@TravisRetriever I was just cleaning out old tweets from four years ago. So there you go."
Emphasis added by me.  So apparently he lacks reading comprehension skills in addition to basic logic and research (dictionary.com plz.  Capitalism does NOT mean what you think it does if you seriously think that a paper on capitalism and partnership is going to overcome that contradiction I presented) skills--I never said or implied he was disrespectful for "disagreeing with me." He was disrespectful for lying and refusing to acknowledge contradictions, double standards and special pleading.  THAT is disrespect.  Honest people know that.  But I guess he wouldn't know how that works, lacking in honestly and being as smug, smarmy (and moon hoaxer like, etc) he was during that exchange a few days ago.  And certainly wouldn't have, whether intentionally or not, censored me when I was just trying to get the information out there.
Also, "I used to be a libertarian until I changed my point of view"? How many times have I heard that bullshit?  Yeah, right.  Like Kirk Cameron "used to be an evolutionist."  Sorry, but the truth exists regardless of your "point of view." If he was really serious about finding out objective truth ( http://v.i4031.net/StatistFallacies/AgreeToDisagree ), he'd ditch that shit and would have stayed and gotten more into libertarianism.  Really, anytime someone uses the opinion card ( https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=295.msg22315#msg22315 ), I've always taken it as an admission of defeat and failure on their part.  We're NOT dealing with opinions people.  Learn the difference!

But it makes me wonder why the hell Twitter saw fit to make it so that if I have a conversation with someone and delete my posts or top post or whatever, it deletes all of theirs too.  What the hell, Twitter?

PS: The responses he made screencapped and added as an attachment.  Because I learned my lesson especially when I go to his Twitter and find them deleted, and with this added:
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on October 04, 2014, 03:43:10 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 04, 2014, 10:53:56 AM
Why is this a fail?

Whoops, this is supposed to be fav :o
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 04, 2014, 04:50:54 PM
http://earthweareone.com/youll-never-eat-mcdonalds-again-after-you-read-these-horrifying-facts/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 04, 2014, 04:54:00 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 04, 2014, 04:50:54 PM
http://earthweareone.com/youll-never-eat-mcdonalds-again-after-you-read-these-horrifying-facts/
But in what amounts and to what purpose? This article is Food Babe level fail here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 04, 2014, 05:07:50 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 04, 2014, 04:50:54 PM
http://earthweareone.com/youll-never-eat-mcdonalds-again-after-you-read-these-horrifying-facts/

And you'll never drink dihydrogen monoxide again, either!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 04, 2014, 10:28:43 PM
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Mother of God, The statheists in the comments are just beyond painful.  Someone telling Shane that if someone steals his car, then that doesn't qualify as harming him.  Statheists--even worse than Young Earth Creationists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on October 04, 2014, 10:48:10 PM
http://www.i-am-bored.com/forums.asp?action=read&ct=10&q_id=103802&read_page=1#

I'm just exhausted by the stupidity.

Quote
The "compromises" were with... Big-Gov't Loving Dems, and lead to... big USELESS Dem Gov't! A "firm stand" may have helped keep Gov't small. Maybe.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 05, 2014, 09:27:58 AM
"Well I'm sorry sir but you are apparently a fucking moron. Because a car is not sentient nor an extension of your person- hood."--Addison Mohnes
To Shane on the above TF video.

Um, yes, if you put your time labor and/or resources into it, then yes, it IS an extension of your personhood.  How could it not be? And no one is saying it's sentient, so I don't know where he's going with that...twat.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 05, 2014, 01:46:18 PM
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10371982_325221674302399_3892943028628187173_n.jpg?oh=d9b7e4049936553fca761c1e68513413&oe=5483D35C)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 06, 2014, 12:24:33 AM
Quote from: D on October 05, 2014, 01:46:18 PM
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10371982_325221674302399_3892943028628187173_n.jpg?oh=d9b7e4049936553fca761c1e68513413&oe=5483D35C)

And how do we define  "defining forces"?  I also served in the United States Navy, that doesnt the fuck mean...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on October 06, 2014, 01:12:33 AM
More stupidity from IAB:

My question:
QuoteWell I'll give you that much, but what exactly did we get rid of in the farm bill?

The response:
Quote$360 billion of agricultural subsidies over 13 years.

Want...to...nominate...for...BBE.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 06, 2014, 01:40:12 AM
Why not we?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 06, 2014, 06:47:49 AM
ARRRRRRRGH...

[yt]lIFBz2t3Ov0[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 06, 2014, 07:14:19 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10155345_554298531367749_949538166889318181_n.jpg?oh=8dfe7202417b872d38870737bd0791e4&oe=54B75B5C&__gda__=1420608157_9366fc85a1db3aa15e248df12a273fb7)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 06, 2014, 10:09:35 AM
Quote from: D on October 06, 2014, 07:14:19 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10155345_554298531367749_949538166889318181_n.jpg?oh=8dfe7202417b872d38870737bd0791e4&oe=54B75B5C&__gda__=1420608157_9366fc85a1db3aa15e248df12a273fb7)

This HAS to be a parody! Has anyone really believed this since Reefer Madness?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 06, 2014, 11:06:56 AM
(https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p235x350/1545016_711853075574416_4309140529603695270_n.jpg?oh=d4812881b73f8d0d3c9972b74eddb5ad&oe=54C60618)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on October 06, 2014, 11:13:37 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 06, 2014, 11:06:56 AM
(https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p235x350/1545016_711853075574416_4309140529603695270_n.jpg?oh=d4812881b73f8d0d3c9972b74eddb5ad&oe=54C60618)

Well they both sound pretty stupid :shrug:
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on October 06, 2014, 11:59:08 AM
Fuck Newsroom and Aaron Sorkin

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 06, 2014, 12:23:38 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 06, 2014, 11:06:56 AM
(https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p235x350/1545016_711853075574416_4309140529603695270_n.jpg?oh=d4812881b73f8d0d3c9972b74eddb5ad&oe=54C60618)
And yet both seem to want to ignore the 4+ million deaths caused by the FDA's denial of lifesaving medicines...funny how that works...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 06, 2014, 02:16:18 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on October 06, 2014, 11:59:08 AM
Fuck Newsroom and Aaron Sorkin

[yt]qXeJkz-13s8[/yt]

I said that way back in the first season when they went against the Institute for Justice.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on October 06, 2014, 04:30:59 PM
I remember watching the pilot episode and within the first 20 minutes they shit on pretty much any form of media or journalism that has sprung up since the mid 90s. Bloggers, tech sites, social media, etc. They were the reason corporate news went to hell by God.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 07, 2014, 03:51:08 PM
[yt]LATPfqT4118[/yt]
And yet another person who needs to research Batman.
Also, people with lots of money are misusing it because they aren't spending the way I think they should.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 07, 2014, 04:23:09 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 07, 2014, 03:51:08 PM
[yt]LATPfqT4118[/yt]
And yet another person who needs to research Batman.
Also, people with lots of money are misusing it because they aren't spending the way I think they should.

No, people with lots of money are misusing it because they're not giving it to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 07, 2014, 05:55:43 PM
[yt]LmfRMeU6pQ8[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on October 07, 2014, 10:15:23 PM
[yt]uh4aOe9CUnI[/yt]

What Happened to you MovieBob you used to be cool
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 08, 2014, 09:32:59 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on October 07, 2014, 04:23:09 PM
No, people with lots of money are misusing it because they're not giving it to me.  ;D

All your money are belong to me!  :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on October 09, 2014, 07:38:41 PM
This is what Tumblr thinks of the new South Park episode:

(http://i.imgur.com/Y1x4TIS.png)

These people are pretty much sociopaths.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 09, 2014, 07:52:18 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on October 09, 2014, 07:38:41 PM
This is what Tumblr thinks of the new South Park episode:

(http://i.imgur.com/Y1x4TIS.png)

These people are pretty much sociopaths.

Can I get a link to actual Tumblr accounts posting this?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on October 09, 2014, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: D on October 09, 2014, 07:52:18 PM
Can I get a link to actual Tumblr accounts posting this?

http://jobhaver.tumblr.com/post/99547518875/i-dont-care-if-you-think-that-the-latest-trans-episode (http://jobhaver.tumblr.com/post/99547518875/i-dont-care-if-you-think-that-the-latest-trans-episode)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 09, 2014, 08:39:54 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on October 09, 2014, 07:38:41 PM
This is what Tumblr thinks of the new South Park episode:

(http://i.imgur.com/Y1x4TIS.png)

These people are pretty much sociopaths.
And THAT is how you know you're dealing with a sopistic coward.  When they pull out the opinion card.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on October 10, 2014, 07:09:18 PM
Anybody ever see the futurama episode "Decision 3012." Oh how such a usually good show fails when it talks about politics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 10, 2014, 07:25:19 PM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on October 10, 2014, 07:09:18 PM
Anybody ever see the futurama episode "Decision 3012." Oh how such a usually good show fails when it talks about politics.

What's fail about it? The moral is basically, it doesn't matter which awful candidate wins!

And then there's "A Head in the Polls," especially the debate between Jack Johnson and John Jackson.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on October 10, 2014, 07:29:54 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 10, 2014, 07:25:19 PM
What's fail about it? The moral is basically, it doesn't matter which awful candidate wins!

And then there's "A Head in the Polls," especially the debate between Jack Johnson and John Jackson.

Well those are fine, its the state worshiping i cant stomach.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 10, 2014, 09:09:35 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1526325_445104205628471_7757117513010388585_n.jpg?oh=9e2d87f89e3b4cb5b32abe675ef8e807&oe=54F57804&__gda__=1421943117_66e3ac17c9f42acacf7926a905eeb247)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 10, 2014, 11:33:51 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p480x480/10606080_714843105275413_1972240023776183195_n.png?oh=059367aad042ef487d0e1848723a6e15&oe=54BFF0E5&__gda__=1422273795_41360ed81354b41b83d510d03239468e)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on October 11, 2014, 12:25:27 PM
That should really say:
Paul Krugman, "economist."

EDIT:

So for no good reason, I found the source for this quote: "Secret Defecit Lovers" by Paul Krugman. (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/10/opinion/paul-krugman-secret-deficit-lovers.html?_r=0) The article focuses more on how the deficit is "plunging," which itself is full of bogons, but I digress. The quote refers entirely to another article he cites, which means the "economist" is making his claim without actually taking a critical look at it himself.  The second article is a piece on Vox by Ezra Klein (1) (http://www.vox.com/2014/9/24/6836181/in-conservative-media-obamacare-is-a-disaster-in-the-real-world-it-s), which for this discussion refers to another one of Klein's articles (2) (http://www.vox.com/2014/9/5/6108493/obamacare-premiums-lower-2015), which in turn refers to a study by the Kaiser Family Foundation (3) (http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/analysis-of-2015-premium-changes-in-the-affordable-care-acts-health-insurance-marketplaces/). So with all that in mind, let's take a critical look at those claims:

"Enrollment is above expectations"
Curiously, while one (just one) of the articles gives a figure for the number of enrollees, none of them say anything about how high these expectations were. (EDIT 2) And they don't even bother comparing that to the number of people who've lost their insurance. (/EDIT 2)

"Costs are lower than expected"
Based on the aforementioned study. (EDIT 2) Which is only estimating 2015 health insurance costs. (/EDIT 2) Which even Klein all but admits is cherry-picking: "...to be fair, the Kaiser Family Foundation is only looking at 16 cities..." Which the article itself says is only compared to 2014 prices. And which only boasts a "modest" average drop of "0.8 percent." Remind me, how much did prices rise from 2013 to 2014? (And believe it or not, this is actually Klein's best-supported claim.)

"...the number of Americans without insurance has sharply dropped."
There is nothing here. Krugman only said it because Klein said it. Klein said it and didn't bother citing a source of it. There is literally nothing to back up this claim.

Gee, Krugman, perhaps the reason why nobody knows about these things is because they're entirely fabricated? I'm not even sure who's the bigger bogon emitter here: Klein for the entirely bogus fabrication, or Krugman for repeating these claims without taking any sort of critical look at them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 11, 2014, 03:10:14 PM
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So, talking to ArcticSlicer on this video. We say that Anita has no evidence that her these problems hurt women, He accuses us of ad hominem and pulls up rape statistics and the wage gap.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 11, 2014, 03:24:06 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 11, 2014, 03:10:14 PM
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So, talking to ArcticSlicer on this video. We say that Anita has no evidence that her these problems hurt women, He accuses us of ad hominem and pulls up rape statistics and the wage gap.
Despite the fact that both of those two--wage gap AND rape statistics have been debunked ad nauseum.  Info that is just a Google search away.  There really is no excuse anymore.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 11, 2014, 07:26:49 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 11, 2014, 03:24:06 PM
Despite the fact that both of those two--wage gap AND rape statistics have been debunked ad nauseum.  Info that is just a Google search away.  There really is no excuse anymore.
Plus they have nothing to do with it in the first place.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 11, 2014, 07:31:25 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on October 11, 2014, 12:25:27 PM
The article focuses more on how the deficit is "plunging," which itself is full of bogons,

It sounds better than "The debt is increasing by not as much."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on October 11, 2014, 07:52:53 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 11, 2014, 07:31:25 PM
It sounds better than "The debt is increasing by not as much."

Notably, Krugman actually points out the difference between the debt and the deficit in his aforementioned article. The same one which says we should be celebrating the "plunging" deficit.

Makes me wish I could power a generator with all that spin.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 12, 2014, 11:28:00 AM
"You may not understand but war is what will put the world in order"
— redwolf-2160
To me on Tumblr.  Someone needs their head examined.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 12, 2014, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 12, 2014, 11:28:00 AM
"You may not understand but war is what will put the world in order"
— redwolf-2160
To me on Tumblr.  Someone needs their head examined.

Yes, it will: all in neat rows, 6 feet under...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 13, 2014, 02:20:58 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 11, 2014, 03:10:14 PM
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So, talking to ArcticSlicer on this video. We say that Anita has no evidence that her these problems hurt women, He accuses us of ad hominem and pulls up rape statistics and the wage gap.
This asshole just the you don't understand because you've never been a victim card.
QuoteThe problem though is that it's only possible to interact with said female characters in a negative way.  To understand why this is a problem you need to understand issues that affect women.  Sarkeesian's videos are directed at an audience that is knowledgeable or at least receptive to issues that affect women.  I'm not quite sure what that's so hard for you to understand.  Maybe it's because you do not have a female gender identity; have never experienced domestic abuse, have never been treated like a "sex object" or at least unable to be empathetic to such issues. If you understand how these issues do affect women then it should be obvious why negative portrayals of women in the media are a problem.
Fourteen years of child abuse asshole.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on October 13, 2014, 06:43:28 PM
THIS...ENTIRE...ESSAY!
http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=104138
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 14, 2014, 03:14:13 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/4Ddtwvu.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 14, 2014, 07:56:21 AM
[yt]MlnY17pgYwg[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 14, 2014, 08:31:06 AM
Quote from: D on October 14, 2014, 07:56:21 AM
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Wow, THOSE are supposed to be death threats? I get worse than that automatically going to my Junk folder...

EDIT: Okay, clearly they stacked this discussion with anti-#GamerGate people (where's that "balance" when you need it?), so I'm not gonna bother watching the rest of the video, but let me make a prediction:

They didn't even MENTION the Fine Young Capitalists, did they?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 14, 2014, 09:15:11 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 14, 2014, 08:31:06 AM
Wow, THOSE are supposed to be death threats? I get worse than that automatically going to my Junk folder...

EDIT: Okay, clearly they stacked this discussion with anti-#GamerGate people (where's that "balance" when you need it?), so I'm not gonna bother watching the rest of the video, but let me make a prediction:

They didn't even MENTION the Fine Young Capitalists, did they?

It's safe to assume that there wasn't a single person in that entire room even thinking about The Fine Young Capitalists, let alone mentioning them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2014, 11:16:23 AM
http://news.distractify.com/beth-buczynski/food-waste-fiascos/?v=1
>>American adventurer, environmental activist, and entrepreneur
Wat.
Which all begs the question of, "why wasn't something like this done to begin with?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 14, 2014, 11:24:59 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/s960x960/10658788_852643051435419_1442360823192429524_o.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 14, 2014, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: tnu on October 14, 2014, 11:24:59 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/s960x960/10658788_852643051435419_1442360823192429524_o.png)

they shitting me? what better place than the Military is there? the most effective (if unltimately failed) plot against Hitler was organized by disaffected officers!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 14, 2014, 01:14:34 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2014, 11:16:23 AM
http://news.distractify.com/beth-buczynski/food-waste-fiascos/?v=1
>>American adventurer, environmental activist, and entrepreneur
Wat.
Which all begs the question of, "why wasn't something like this done to begin with?"

The problem I'm having with this is: In many cases (except when the owner/chef is a jackass, which happens sometimes), restaurants and grocery stores DO donate. The foodbank (like anywhere else) has a finite amount of space, also for certain items like produce, meats, and diary their ARE FDA guidelines about what can and can't be "donated". (Which is why the food drive pretty much always ask for non-perishables), AFIK, these guidelines don't have the force of law, but almost no one in the industries involved goes against them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2014, 02:38:01 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-4-most-meaningless-arguments-against-gun-control/
I smell the burden of proof being shifted here...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 14, 2014, 03:51:21 PM
CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/10/14/pkg-burke-female-game-developer-death-threats.cnn.html) apparently decided that MSNBC didn't shit it up enough and thought they could do better.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2014, 04:04:45 PM
Quote from: D on October 14, 2014, 03:51:21 PM
CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/10/14/pkg-burke-female-game-developer-death-threats.cnn.html) apparently decided that MSNBC didn't shit it up enough and thought they could do better.
Natch.
As if I needed yet ANOTHER shining example of why I don't watch the news...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2014, 09:58:21 PM
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Oge7OBeLcTo/VD3JjzApnHI/AAAAAAAAVKQ/6qalTSrf58Y/w357-h695-no/1413335426839screencapture.png)
Folks, two wrongs do NOT make a right.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2014, 10:11:27 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2014, 09:58:21 PM
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Oge7OBeLcTo/VD3JjzApnHI/AAAAAAAAVKQ/6qalTSrf58Y/w357-h695-no/1413335426839screencapture.png)
Folks, two wrongs do NOT make a right.
https://plus.google.com/112333431063891756976/posts/LwMkgCnxBpy
The comments aren't much better.
I ask what if she got the wrong person and someone replied "Then it's population control."

Liberals--saying they're for real love and compassion is like saying a whore is for chastity or a 900 lb man is for moderation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2014, 10:52:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bz8b2NrCMAADOdQ.jpg)
https://twitter.com/pari_passu/status/522149870375690240
Both from the same guy...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on October 15, 2014, 12:40:00 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 06, 2014, 06:47:49 AM
ARRRRRRRGH...

[yt]lIFBz2t3Ov0[/yt]

Yes, it's been over a week, but I think I have something worthwhile to add here.

In the video, Jarrah cites a pair of Russian photographers, Elkhov and Konovalov, who did a recreation of the moon landing photos (http://www.aulis.com/mythbusters.htm) in 2012, in response to the Mythbusters' re-creation. Jarrah's own re-creation is of such low quality that it can be debunked by Elkhov and Konovalov, ironically.

I found an overview of their experiment (linked above), and I noticed that while nVidia took efforts to find the additional light source, Elkhov and Konovalov took efforts to remove it by making sure they dressed in all black while taking the photos. After taking another photo "[with Aldrin] illuminated from the camera position with a powerful source of diffuse light," (no, they don't show us this light) they conclude that there must've been a similar source of light from the camera position... but they don't make the connection to Armstrong's suit:

"The conclusion reached is unambiguous. NASA's photo is a fake. This picture cannot have been taken on the Moon but in a studio with a very strong additional source of illumination from near the camera."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on October 15, 2014, 02:15:54 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2014, 10:52:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bz8b2NrCMAADOdQ.jpg)
https://twitter.com/pari_passu/status/522149870375690240
Both from the same guy...

Ahhh I can't find that C4SS article that addressed this so nicely. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 15, 2014, 10:01:10 AM
>Some jack off sends threats to Anita Sarkeesian
>Automatically attributed to #GamerGate
>This actual threat is posted towards #GamerGate supporters:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bz_aCUfIEAEmyaP.png)

Not a fucking peep.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 15, 2014, 05:49:05 PM
Kotaku (http://trib.al/4FEJDGB) goes full retard.

Also, for those who don't want to give them clicks, I put the link through donotlink.com, so you won't give them the clicks they desperately want.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 15, 2014, 06:25:07 PM
Quote from: D on October 15, 2014, 05:49:05 PM
Kotaku (http://trib.al/4FEJDGB) goes full retard.

Also, for those who don't want to give them clicks, I put the link through donotlink.com, so you won't give them the clicks they desperately want.

I have "rel='nofollow'" automatically added to all forum links, so it wouldn't have anyway.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 15, 2014, 06:35:34 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 15, 2014, 06:25:07 PM
I have "rel='nofollow'" automatically added to all forum links, so it wouldn't have anyway.
That's good to know. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 15, 2014, 07:10:35 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2014, 10:52:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bz8b2NrCMAADOdQ.jpg)
https://twitter.com/pari_passu/status/522149870375690240
Both from the same guy...

Strange, this cite http://www.governing.com/gov-data/food-stamp-snap-benefits-enrollment-participation-totals-map.html (http://www.governing.com/gov-data/food-stamp-snap-benefits-enrollment-participation-totals-map.html), lists Mississippi as having the highest SNAP enrollment, as does the WSJ, so unless Oswalla, Kentucky is in Mississippi...

There's supposed to be an interactive chart on the page, where you can look at the individual states (and presumably see enrollment by county) but it didn't render for me, someone else might have better luck with a different browser.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 15, 2014, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on October 15, 2014, 07:10:35 PM
Strange, this cite http://www.governing.com/gov-data/food-stamp-snap-benefits-enrollment-participation-totals-map.html (http://www.governing.com/gov-data/food-stamp-snap-benefits-enrollment-participation-totals-map.html), lists Mississippi as having the highest SNAP enrollment, as does the WSJ, so unless Oswalla, Kentucky is in Mississippi...

There's supposed to be an interactive chart on the page, where you can look at the individual states (and presumably see enrollment by county) but it didn't render for me, someone else might have better luck with a different browser.

Owsley County could just be an outlier. If the rest of Kentucky were relatively low it could pull down the average.

I don't see how it has anything to do with anything anyway.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 15, 2014, 07:36:17 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 15, 2014, 07:24:32 PM
Owsley County could just be an outlier. If the rest of Kentucky were relatively low it could pull down the average.

I don't see how it has anything to do with anything anyway.

I think the OP is trying to debunk the myth that the majority of SNAP beneficiaries are black and/or the myth that the majority of blacks are snap beneficiaries. I haven't seen any actual evidence one way or the other, until I do I'm presuming that the racial proportion of said recipients is going to be fairly close to the racial proportion of population.

Unless you were talking about what I said...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 16, 2014, 02:24:38 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p480x480/155121_613166318770193_1134351503_n.jpg?oh=9dc9295b8756ecf001b5f9ba5df11c2a&oe=54AD2E8F&__gda__=1421590029_791331546a6f48d49e3e756d9ab2fdfc)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 16, 2014, 12:23:44 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 16, 2014, 02:24:38 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p480x480/155121_613166318770193_1134351503_n.jpg?oh=9dc9295b8756ecf001b5f9ba5df11c2a&oe=54AD2E8F&__gda__=1421590029_791331546a6f48d49e3e756d9ab2fdfc)
That goes into my "so bad it's actually funny" category...I swear, those kind of text/stories might as well be Poe's Law stuff at this point.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 17, 2014, 08:03:41 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10629683_859804170746380_4932054663958347560_n.jpg?oh=a28511a1883a295a80400c1cfd115fff&oe=54ABD22E&__gda__=1421215382_a419f21ff5ce269769d199193a729b6c)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on October 17, 2014, 11:49:14 AM
Quote from: D on October 17, 2014, 08:03:41 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10629683_859804170746380_4932054663958347560_n.jpg?oh=a28511a1883a295a80400c1cfd115fff&oe=54ABD22E&__gda__=1421215382_a419f21ff5ce269769d199193a729b6c)

They did more than bat an eye when I cursed in school :T and nothing at all when it came to prayer
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 17, 2014, 03:44:00 PM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on October 17, 2014, 11:49:14 AM
They did more than bat an eye when I cursed in school :T and nothing at all when it came to prayer
I got after school dentition for saying, "this sucks."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on October 17, 2014, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 17, 2014, 03:44:00 PM
I got after school dentition for saying, "this sucks."

I actually said fuck, but fuck O.o
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 17, 2014, 04:36:29 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 17, 2014, 03:44:00 PM
I got after school dentition for saying, "this sucks."

When I was in elementary school, I got in trouble for saying, "I can't wait until summer vacation" because of a teacher I didn't like.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 17, 2014, 04:48:07 PM
You know, not really that much to do with the point, but it seems to me we'd end up with a lot less BS in our lives if schools didn't continually teach children that words have magic powers...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2014, 05:15:33 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 17, 2014, 04:48:07 PM
You know, not really that much to do with the point, but it seems to me we'd end up with a lot less BS in our lives if schools didn't continually teach children that words have magic powers...
Indeed.  Hell, if we had to list in detail every single thing wrong with schools (esp. govco schools) we'd be here until the end of the year.  During which time there'd be that much *more* wrong with them.  So I guess the biggest thing wrong with the schools is that they even exist to begin with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2014, 10:00:55 PM
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-4EcXFyDnNjI/VEGn22emtZI/AAAAAAABlG0/ZPy6Kp0-GGA/w360-h620-no/14%2B-%2B1)
From +The Furry Page again.  Not a COMPLETE fail:  If that bottom one was a government agent saying "because of the social contract" it would be a win.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 18, 2014, 12:32:16 AM
Fail in the title alone.
http://slnm.us/xGdvCdM
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 18, 2014, 12:34:49 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10291112_718425028250554_1703103944900637092_n.jpg?oh=3ac995b4654266baf4e6b695ba371811&oe=54C1BC6A&__gda__=1421767131_078c9e7b27710df4cc94aaf343d80692)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 18, 2014, 12:46:12 AM
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/11/tennessee_ayn_rands_vision_of_paradise_partner/

"I read the title of 'The Virtue of Selfishness' and jumped to conclusions and I believe republicans are for smaller government because getting off my ass and doing actual research like a proffessional is too hard."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 18, 2014, 11:05:14 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on October 18, 2014, 12:46:12 AM
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/11/tennessee_ayn_rands_vision_of_paradise_partner/

"I read the title of 'The Virtue of Selfishness' and jumped to conclusions and I believe republicans are for smaller government because getting off my ass and doing actual research like a proffessional is too hard."
TN is a freer state--the lower taxes is one of the reasons my family wanted to move there and it's one of the reasons I'll likely be moving there next year.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 18, 2014, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 18, 2014, 11:05:14 AM
TN is a freer state--the lower taxes is one of the reasons my family wanted to move there and it's one of the reasons I'll likely be moving there next year.
Harry Browne lived there the last several years of his life.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 18, 2014, 02:42:27 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 18, 2014, 12:34:49 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10291112_718425028250554_1703103944900637092_n.jpg?oh=3ac995b4654266baf4e6b695ba371811&oe=54C1BC6A&__gda__=1421767131_078c9e7b27710df4cc94aaf343d80692)

they're not ready for Ebola because Ebola is not native to the place.

besides, it's not like the black death: you have to be in contact with the victim's bodily fluids to be in any danger. And I've not heard of many cases of Ebola anyways (3 last I heard--all as far as I am aware contained).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 19, 2014, 10:18:22 AM
Apparently #GamerGate must be bots...because they use computers.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0UMv58IIAE4Neo.png:large)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 19, 2014, 12:27:28 PM
Quote from: D on October 19, 2014, 10:18:22 AM
Apparently #GamerGate must be bots...because they use computers.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0UMv58IIAE4Neo.png:large)
Her conclusion doesn't follow from her data. NEXT! X3
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 19, 2014, 02:02:00 PM
Quote from: D on October 19, 2014, 10:18:22 AM
Apparently #GamerGate must be bots...because they use computers.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0UMv58IIAE4Neo.png:large)

A bot is not defined by location, but by activity.  Since the main source of #GamerGate tweets would be expected to be gamers, the most likely sourceplatform for such tweets  would be expected to be one suitable for games, of which by far the best for both gaming and tweeting is PCs.  (Phones are not generally well suited for tweets, as many of them lack a good way to enter text, and phones are honestly a lousy gaming platform, with small screens and generally awkward controls.  And I worked for Nokia when they were still pretending that phones were good enough gaming platforms to warrant the inclusion of their frankly awful gaming client.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 19, 2014, 02:08:54 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on October 19, 2014, 02:02:00 PM
A bot is not defined by location, but by activity.  Since the main source of #GamerGate tweets would be expected to be gamers, the most likely sourceplatform for such tweets  would be expected to be one suitable for games, of which by far the best for both gaming and tweeting is PCs.  (Phones are not generally well suited for tweets, as many of them lack a good way to enter text, and phones are honestly a lousy gaming platform, with small screens and generally awkward controls.  And I worked for Nokia when they were still pretending that phones were good enough gaming platforms to warrant the inclusion of their frankly awful gaming client.)
Not only that, but given the projection with the cries of death threats, would it surprise a single soul if they were the ones with the bots?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 19, 2014, 03:58:09 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 19, 2014, 02:08:54 PM
Not only that, but given the projection with the cries of death threats, would it surprise a single soul if they were the ones with the bots?

And given historical trends, the Feminist contingent is much more likely to be making death threats than getting them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 19, 2014, 04:21:07 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on October 19, 2014, 03:58:09 PM
And given historical trends, the Feminist contingent is much more likely to be making death threats than getting them.
Actually, it's not just more likely it IS what we see:  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152486792528131&set=a.10150674292113131.392608.504058130&type=1&theater
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 19, 2014, 04:21:51 PM
https://twitter.com/Marmel/status/523897006880600064
When all else fails, just call the other side a racist...yeah, such wonderful rationalist and compassionate folk you liberals are. *rolls eyes*

https://twitter.com/TheDailyEdge/status/523922913934966784
So...govco is racist, ergo, we need more modern liberalism? Wut?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 19, 2014, 05:07:49 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 19, 2014, 02:08:54 PM
Not only that, but given the projection with the cries of death threats, would it surprise a single soul if they were the ones with the bots?

#StopGamerGate2014 was basically confirmed to use bots. So yes, they do use them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 19, 2014, 05:34:26 PM
Quote from: D on October 19, 2014, 05:07:49 PM
#StopGamerGate2014 was basically confirmed to use bots. So yes, they do use them.
Really now? I'm surprised you haven't posted a pic/screencap/article/etc on it yet. But yeah, doesn't surprise me, given the stuff I've observed, both from the anti-GamerGate people and from the folks I *have* seen who used the #StopGamerGate2014 tag.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 19, 2014, 05:58:28 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 19, 2014, 05:34:26 PM
Really now? I'm surprised you haven't posted a pic/screencap/article/etc on it yet. But yeah, doesn't surprise me, given the stuff I've observed, both from the anti-GamerGate people and from the folks I *have* seen who used the #StopGamerGate2014 tag.

Yeah, I believe they traced where most of the #StopGamerGate2014 tweets were coming from and it was basically a bunch of Middle Eastern and South American accounts that were basically duds.

Also, speaking of anti-GamerGate, apparently not only are we terrorists, but they want terrorists to target us.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0AOtMgIEAAgP7l.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 19, 2014, 06:20:48 PM
Quote from: D on October 19, 2014, 05:58:28 PM
Yeah, I believe they traced where most of the #StopGamerGate2014 tweets were coming from and it was basically a bunch of Middle Eastern and South American accounts that were basically duds.

Also, speaking of anti-GamerGate, apparently not only are we terrorists, but they want terrorists to target us.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0AOtMgIEAAgP7l.jpg)
Natch.  Figures.

Stay classy anti-#GamerGate folk. Stay classy.
Reminds me of a post from someone I am following on Twitter asking for information on the GamerGate stuff.  The catch? The reply had to be anecdotes, I'm sorry, "personal experiences" with the stuff, and not articles, or you know, proof...no one (surprise!) responded to this bogus request and he says, "I guess I don't care either way!" Glad to know you're at least staying out of it, given your inability to understand evidence and rationality, EmoRottie.

And speaking of fails:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BziapdcIgAAH9t0.jpg)
Holy shit, Captain Ambitious! Save some achievements for the rest of us.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 20, 2014, 06:59:39 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 19, 2014, 06:20:48 PM
And speaking of fails:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BziapdcIgAAH9t0.jpg)
Holy shit, Captain Ambitious! Save some achievements for the rest of us.

Maybe he just has a sense of humor?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 20, 2014, 11:51:55 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 20, 2014, 06:59:39 AM
Maybe he just has a sense of humor?
That is definitely a possibility.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 20, 2014, 02:56:54 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-healthy-eating-habits-that-are-killing-people/
Cracked really half-assed it in this article.
#4)  It's not the whole story.  Sodium itself *is* healthy.  It's the ratio of Potassium to Sodium in your diet that matters.  Something Alan Aragon (read: an actual nutritionist) and others have touched on before: http://www.simplyshredded.com/the-truth-behind-5-food-myths.html

#3)  Hence why I only take one (at most) a day.  The reasons? Greater dietary flexibility and as a nutritional insurance policy primarily.  My advice, anyone wanting to use a multivitamin might want to make sure their brand is certified by the USP for the peace of mind that what they see on the label is what is really in it.

#2)  But this all begs the question--why isn't supply rising to meet that demand like it has with computers? Maybe because of bogosity involving governments in those and other countries?

#1)  Yeah, Orthorexia Nervosa is definitely a thing.  I don't think it is a type of anorexia though, that's just silly. But it is still an eating disorder, and it is just suffering for the sake of suffering:  http://wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 20, 2014, 03:33:00 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 20, 2014, 02:56:54 PM
#3)  Hence why I only take one (at most) a day.  The reasons? Greater dietary flexibility primarily.  My advice, anyone wanting to use a multivitamin might want to make sure their brand is certified by the USP for the peace of mind that what they see on the label is what is really in it.

Or better still, check with your doctor to see if you even need one at all. A blood test will tell for sure.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 20, 2014, 03:57:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0aae2lCUAAsXsX.png)

Pfffthahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 20, 2014, 03:59:39 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 20, 2014, 03:33:00 PM
Or better still, check with your doctor to see if you even need one at all. A blood test will tell for sure.
Which is something I would have done, however, I'm told a blood test that checks vitamin/minerals like that tends to cost more than the standard one that checks the basic stuff (e.g. cholesterol, salt, blood sugar, etc), and until, I have a job, I only have a crappy govco insurance, and I am NOT playing with that crap again unless I absolutely 100% need it. I've had all of them I want to deal with. Stupid healthcare cronyism...

Reminds me of Armi Legge's article on clean eating noting that the majority of people actually don't have nutrient deficiencies.  Ironically, it's usually the people who are dieting because of decreased total calories and irrational avoidance of certain foods and food groups who tend to be most likely to be deficient.

I mainly use it as nutritional insurance policy and dietary flexibility.

Quote from: D on October 20, 2014, 03:57:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0aae2lCUAAsXsX.png)

Pfffthahahahahahahahahahahaha!
@OP:  Bitch, please, you'd get your ass handed to you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 20, 2014, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: D on October 20, 2014, 03:57:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0aae2lCUAAsXsX.png)

Pfffthahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Hope you enjoy my longsword upside your head.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 20, 2014, 05:32:43 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on October 20, 2014, 11:14:28 PM
I don't believe in enforcing IP, but this is still pretty intellectually dishonest and lazy

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 21, 2014, 12:31:46 PM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on October 20, 2014, 11:14:28 PM
I don't believe in enforcing IP, but this is still pretty intellectually dishonest and lazy

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10312539_836324943064705_9074582530898805518_n.jpg?oh=dc40736753cc57ec39ee9bdb09185f38&oe=54EAE113&__gda__=1425153145_681dc82c228da3ad8cbb0bf5e2f3c4cc)
ahaha! Really magazine? Geeze.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 21, 2014, 01:26:07 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 21, 2014, 04:43:09 PM
Wow @ the call starting at 31:37. Matt and Tracie really jump on the Fail Wagon! I mean it, it's painful. You have been warned:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 21, 2014, 05:52:47 PM
So was opening the gameinformer I got today and who do I see in the Table of Contents?
Fucking Anita Sarkeesian!
Do they ever address actual criticism of her?
FUCK NO!
Instead the fucking usual. "oh, harassment!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on October 21, 2014, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 21, 2014, 04:43:09 PM
Wow @ the call starting at 31:37. Matt and Tracie really jump on the Fail Wagon! I mean it, it's painful. You have been warned:

[yt]6SXBre5woMw&start=1897[/yt]

Somebody nominate them for idiot extraordinaire. Oh wait, I can do that. NOMINATED FOR ****ING IDIOT EXTRAORDINAIRE!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 21, 2014, 06:23:14 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 21, 2014, 04:43:09 PM
Wow @ the call starting at 31:37. Matt and Tracie really jump on the Fail Wagon! I mean it, it's painful. You have been warned:

[yt]6SXBre5woMw&start=1897[/yt]

Comments disabled?  Is that normal for them?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 22, 2014, 04:08:37 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on October 21, 2014, 06:23:14 PM
Comments disabled?  Is that normal for them?

I believe it is, yes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 22, 2014, 04:18:26 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 21, 2014, 04:43:09 PM
Wow @ the call starting at 31:37. Matt and Tracie really jump on the Fail Wagon! I mean it, it's painful. You have been warned:

[yt]6SXBre5woMw&start=1897[/yt]

I actually not see the fail, other than the fact Matt uses certain terms ... differently than I do.... The way I was trained, " relative morality" and "selective morality" mean pretty much the same fucking thing. The term he's fishing for is "absolute morality", which is cultural.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 22, 2014, 07:26:04 AM
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MSNBC strikes again, and this time Quinn herself is interviewed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 22, 2014, 08:01:33 AM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on October 21, 2014, 06:22:12 PM
Somebody nominate them for idiot extraordinaire. Oh wait, I can do that. NOMINATED FOR ****ING IDIOT EXTRAORDINAIRE!!!

I might have to do that. Because on their next call, which was about abortion, Matt says directly that the burden of proof is on the people who want to use force!

Really, Matt is on record agreeing with every single first principle that Libertarianism is based on. He just can't get there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 23, 2014, 07:36:45 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on October 23, 2014, 07:56:07 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 23, 2014, 07:36:45 PM
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Ok? and who owns the other 63%? Why are we going for the "bottom 60%?" Why not narrow it down to the bottom 15? or the second tier below the middle 15%? As stated, even if true, the information is pointless.

Also, I'm really, really beginning to hate memes. Can't anyone just say what it is they want to say without sticking it on a .jpg anymore? Oh, wait, that would mean they'd actually have to explain themselves instead of making snarky comments, nvm.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 23, 2014, 08:18:26 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 23, 2014, 07:36:45 PM
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And 99% of liberal meme makers pull the statistics out of their rear ends.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 23, 2014, 08:55:10 PM
And speaking of liberal fails:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=863082920393087
Ah, Food Babe, you never *fail* to deliver the super fails. ^.^
I put the whole post, not just the picture itself, because I have no sympathy for this twat.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 23, 2014, 09:04:32 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on October 23, 2014, 07:56:07 PM
Ok? and who owns the other 63%? Why are we going for the "bottom 60%?" Why not narrow it down to the bottom 15? or the second tier below the middle 15%? As stated, even if true, the information is pointless.

Also, I'm really, really beginning to hate memes. Can't anyone just say what it is they want to say without sticking it on a .jpg anymore? Oh, wait, that would mean they'd actually have to explain themselves instead of making snarky comments, nvm.
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 23, 2014, 08:18:26 PM
And 99% of liberal meme makers pull the statistics out of their rear ends.
I'm honestly tempted to make a macro meme myself only it would say something like, "The top 0.001% of Americans owns 120% of the world's wealth while the bottom 99% owns -9001% of the world's wealth." over a picture of the monopoly man just to see if anyone notices it is blatantly full of shit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 24, 2014, 02:08:43 PM
https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/525700492845137920
And over here, we have a failed attempt to be edgy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 24, 2014, 07:55:51 PM
Anita Sarkeesian: Revolting cunt.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0wBU3pCYAMHn_Y.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0wDA8ICcAALm9P.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on October 24, 2014, 09:36:22 PM
Quote from: D on October 24, 2014, 07:55:51 PM
Anita Sarkeesian: Revolting cunt.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0wBU3pCYAMHn_Y.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0wDA8ICcAALm9P.jpg)

Well, at least she's not blaming guns. That's the only good thing I can say about this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 24, 2014, 09:40:48 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on October 24, 2014, 09:36:22 PM
Well, at least she's not blaming guns. That's the only good thing I can say about this.

No, fuck that. There is no silver lining here. She couldn't even wait until the bodies were cold and in the ground before she tried to blame something and push an agenda. I don't care if that something is guns or having a penis, that shit is fucking vile no matter WHO does it or for whatever fucking reason they do it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 25, 2014, 07:33:21 AM
Quote from: D on October 24, 2014, 09:40:48 PM
No, fuck that. There is no silver lining here. She couldn't even wait until the bodies were cold and in the ground before she tried to blame something and push an agenda. I don't care if that something is guns or having a penis, that shit is fucking vile no matter WHO does it or for whatever fucking reason they do it.
I'll bet she will.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 25, 2014, 10:32:48 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 11, 2014, 03:10:14 PM
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So, talking to ArcticSlicer on this video. We say that Anita has no evidence that her these problems hurt women, He accuses us of ad hominem and pulls up rape statistics and the wage gap.
The person in quotations is me. We were talking about Hitman and how she has zero problem with the men murdered.
Quote"And as usual you lack empathy for the countless men being killed. I'll bet you don't like that shit turned on you huh?"

Except it doesn't work in the reverse since men don't suffer from domestic abuse and sexual assaults at the rate women do.  According to the department of Justice women are victims of 63% of domestic homicides and 81% of sex-related homicides.  When men are murdered often times it's drug or gang related which means that much of the time the person being murdered was likely involved in illegal activity that put them at higher risk of being murdered; women in contrast are rarely murdered in such situations.  This is also true in many video games; most of the men being killed are usually guilty of some crime whereas most of the women are entirely innocent.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Context matters.  Video games are not created in a vacuum and often meant to have some degree of realism to them.  You cannot divorce video games from reality as reality is what affects are perception of video games.  If video games portray negative aspects of real life then they will, quite rightly, get negative reactions from some viewers.
I swear its like being in the 90's to early 2000's again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 25, 2014, 03:39:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B00P-nfCEAAGe-E.png:large)

Because when it happens to us, it doesn't count.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 25, 2014, 03:59:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B00VFjqCQAAqVgr.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 25, 2014, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: D on October 25, 2014, 03:59:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B00VFjqCQAAqVgr.jpg)
And of course, the idiots defending her bogosity: 
(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/1/AADyTnBwMfs4i0MrcngpKWmFNdGwiRnpcmttjGkfrJmyhg/12/341371948/png/32x32/3/_/1/2/Vanir85%20can%20eat%20shit.png/i1ECVQcBBeQUXDVUcQEUc6OBEnLLSJjcNYCjYl6iCBw?size=1024x768)

My response back:  @Vanir85 @Thanks4Watching Replace the word "men" with "black" and "GENDERED" with "RACIAL"  That is you and Anita sound.  Cheers.

And his reply to that:
(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/1/AAAoxbnQxWJn9lJO5sKxA-Gwsps_VKIElfc8Fd2zRM-Lew/12/341371948/png/32x32/3/_/1/2/Vanir85%20can%20eat%20shit%20part%202.png/ilb-hUWIWoHp5ME3d6j4sEOLbZiaoTzKa0JS9wKH4PY?size=1024x768)

He keeps using those words, "entitlement" I don't think it means what he thinks it means.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 25, 2014, 04:47:28 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 25, 2014, 04:27:39 PM
And of course, the idiots defending her bogosity: 
(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/1/AADyTnBwMfs4i0MrcngpKWmFNdGwiRnpcmttjGkfrJmyhg/12/341371948/png/32x32/3/_/1/2/Vanir85%20can%20eat%20shit.png/i1ECVQcBBeQUXDVUcQEUc6OBEnLLSJjcNYCjYl6iCBw?size=1024x768)

My response back:  @Vanir85 @Thanks4Watching Replace the word "men" with "black" and "GENDERED" with "RACIAL"  That is you and Anita sound.  Cheers.

And his reply to that:
(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/1/AAAoxbnQxWJn9lJO5sKxA-Gwsps_VKIElfc8Fd2zRM-Lew/12/341371948/png/32x32/3/_/1/2/Vanir85%20can%20eat%20shit%20part%202.png/ilb-hUWIWoHp5ME3d6j4sEOLbZiaoTzKa0JS9wKH4PY?size=1024x768)

He keeps using those words, "entitlement" I don't think it means what he thinks it means.

You'll have to write out his response; that graphic is a Dropbox link and won't show up unless someone is logged in to Dropbox and has permission to see it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 25, 2014, 04:55:15 PM
Fack.  I think I'll just give the files themselves...is there any good image hosting site you would suggest?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 25, 2014, 06:35:51 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 25, 2014, 04:55:15 PM
Fack.  I think I'll just give the files themselves...is there any good image hosting site you would suggest?

I use Flickr mostly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 26, 2014, 04:23:42 PM
some what back on a political track frommy most recent tangents.

http://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughLibertarianSpam/

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140307211430AAtDNte

Anyone want to take any personal shots?


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/p526x296/10005990_598262163633210_314410834600877578_o.jpg)

OK There HAS to be a fallacy on that one. I've asked before and I odn't remember getting an answer. and I'm not speaking of the obvious Fallacy of relative privation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 27, 2014, 08:18:07 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B085cjtIMAASndx.jpg)

Okay Brianna. Somehow you'll be remembered even though you made a shitty little phone game that nobody played, but guys like Hideo Kojima and Shigeru Miyamoto, two well recognized game developers who developed some of the most well received franchises EVER will somehow never be remembered as anything other than failures.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 27, 2014, 09:27:10 AM
Thunderf00t acolytes here: https://plus.google.com/100197545745919590620/posts/L7pPpme6k9m
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 27, 2014, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 27, 2014, 09:27:10 AM
Thunderf00t acolytes here: https://plus.google.com/100197545745919590620/posts/L7pPpme6k9m

This looks like a good place to point out that while the MOTIVATION may not have had anything to do with copyright protection, that does not necessarily mean that the specific use of copyright claims was actually illegal.

Incidentally, this turns out to be pretty old stuff now by Internet standards, at least as old as #GamerGate.  The suit was filed back in August.  It looks like the only reason TF00t found out about it is it turned up just recently on the site he linked to.  Along with the story, was a link to a page where you can donate to help pay for the suit, which would tend to suggest that the lawyer has no confidence in this coming out in their favor any time soon, or it would likely be done on contingency.

The biggest complaint the cultists have about how Steff is reacting is that there's absolutely nothing about it anywhere from him or on his site.  Of course, if there WAS, then they'd be demanding that he was responsible for some kind of attacks being directed at the complainant (even if they had to carry them out themselves, as it looks extremely likely is occurring in most of the claimed threats in the anti-#GamerGate crowd).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 27, 2014, 01:19:51 PM
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While I would kinda like to know what they're advertising, the fail I'm on about is in the production values.  Check out the guy's cane.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on October 27, 2014, 10:29:05 PM
http://battle-the-cis.tumblr.com/post/101042046353/craigstell-educate-before-you-vaccinate-here (http://battle-the-cis.tumblr.com/post/101042046353/craigstell-educate-before-you-vaccinate-here)

QuoteEducate before you vaccinate! Here is my article exposing just some of the problems brought about by the flu vaccine: http://www.naturalnews.com/037504_flu_shots_hospitalization_government.html

Mercury based thimerosal is used as a preservative to "kill organisms." Aren't humans organisms? You have to be unconscious, brainwashed or just plain stupid to allow this into your or your child's body. The majority of flu shots contain 25 micrograms of mercury, an amount considered unsafe by the EPA for anyone weighing less than 550 pounds. Now then, take the two-shot recommendation and you receive 50 micrograms of toxic mercury. Have you ever met an 1,100 pound pregnant lady or baby? But Big Pharma money talks louder than dead babies, so go ahead, get your toxic flu shot.

READ MORE: http://www.naturalnews.com/037504_flu_shots_hospitalization_government.html#ixzz2LdN26PSY

Oh, Sweet Celestia, where do I begin?!?!

1) Natural News is not a reliable source. Citing it to back your anti-vaxxer nonsense is like citing Answers in Genesis to back young-earth creationism.

2) "Mercury based thimerosal is used as a preservative to 'kill organisms.' Aren't humans organisms?" I only have a high school-level understating of science and even I realize that thinking is BS! Yes, humans are organisms, but that does not mean something meant to "kill organisms" is necessarily going to kill humans. By that logic, you shouldn't use bug spray because, hey, it kills organisms too, and aren't humans organisms?

3) Enough with the mercury scare! A tuna fish sandwich contains far more mercury than a flu shot. I don't see you calling for a ban on tuna fish.

4) Enough fear-mongering about "Big Pharma." It's just a boogeyman like the NWO or Koch Brothers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 28, 2014, 06:35:33 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on October 27, 2014, 10:29:05 PM
2) "Mercury based thimerosal is used as a preservative to 'kill organisms.' Aren't humans organisms?" I only have a high school-level understating of science and even I realize that thinking is BS! Yes, humans are organisms, but that does not mean something meant to "kill organisms" is necessarily going to kill humans. By that logic, you shouldn't use bug spray because, hey, it kills organisms too, and aren't humans organisms?

Or even, you know, wash your hands...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 28, 2014, 12:16:44 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on October 27, 2014, 01:19:51 PM
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While I would kinda like to know what they're advertising, the fail I'm on about is in the production values.  Check out the guy's cane.

the title of the video is in Arabic: "abu hamad doesn't want to visit abou ubeed at his home....why???" (OK, in their weird khaleeji Arabic, the names are pronounced "boohamad" and "booubeed" (the "ee" is just two "e", not that sound associated with English ee)

the guy with the cane (abu hamad) won't visit him since the guy has no thermo-insulation (in spite of his advice to install the insulation), And is unwilling to change his mind, so his house is always awful to stay in (to abu hamad), which has the added problem that it costs a lot to thermo-regulate the place. When he throws the phone in, he says this:

"do you know how to swim? then swim!" *throws the phone in*

then he breaks the fourth wall, explaining insulation is important, and that while it costs relatively little, it will save a lot on energy bills, and that the difference is clear (he picks up the phone and tells the guy the same thing).

also, the cane isn't a fake prop: it's literally what they use there. canes aren't always used to walk with over there  :shrug:

EDIT: the commercial is from Saudi Arabia. It's apparently by this advocacy group (yes, they exist there), for cleaner more responsible use of energy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 28, 2014, 12:27:43 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on October 28, 2014, 12:16:44 PM
also, the cane isn't a fake prop: it's literally what they use there. canes aren't always used to walk with over there  :shrug:

I think he's talking about the fact that the cane disappears in the close shots. Continuity gaff.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 28, 2014, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 28, 2014, 12:27:43 PM
I think he's talking about the fact that the cane disappears in the close shots. Continuity gaff.

oh, that? that's expected--this is a clip made by Arabs afterall--from outside Egypt: indifferent quality is a must!  :P


yeah, I thought he was talking about the cane itself (since I get that a lot believe it or not).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 28, 2014, 04:19:15 PM
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The fail here comes from the host and the overall treatment of Sommers/#GamerGate. If you've seen the two interviews with Quinn and Wu, they got about 20 minutes total of uninterrupted time, and a downright pity party. Sommers on the other hand got about 5 minutes total, and maybe 2 minutes of that time was without the douchebag host talking over her. Also notice the complete lack of sincerity when he says he wished they had more time. Totally expected from MSNBC, but worth pointing out none the less.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 28, 2014, 04:31:05 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 28, 2014, 12:27:43 PM
I think he's talking about the fact that the cane disappears in the close shots. Continuity gaff.

Just so.  You can get away with things like mirroring shots pretty well, but props that appear and disappear between zoom levels like that is very noticeable and disturbing, expecially when the dialog seems to be quite excellently cut together without any faults that jump out at the non-speaker.

Quote from: Ibrahim90 on October 28, 2014, 12:30:58 PM
oh, that? that's expected--this is a clip made by Arabs afterall--from outside Egypt: indifferent quality is a must!  :P


yeah, I thought he was talking about the cane itself (since I get that a lot believe it or not).

Well, I was, just not in the manner it sounds like you're used to.  I figured it was a style thing, since it seemed unlikely that a man who's seated in the way he is in the commercial would need a cane to walk.  If he did, getting up would be hell.  (I've used canes purely for style myself on a number of occasions.  It's hardly limited to Muslim cultures.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 28, 2014, 05:16:08 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on October 28, 2014, 04:31:05 PM
Well, I was, just not in the manner it sounds like you're used to.  I figured it was a style thing, since it seemed unlikely that a man who's seated in the way he is in the commercial would need a cane to walk.  If he did, getting up would be hell.  (I've used canes purely for style myself on a number of occasions.  It's hardly limited to Muslim cultures.)

And is it normal to have it hooked over your shoulder like that? I always put mine on the floor beside or in front of me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 28, 2014, 05:54:31 PM
http://imgur.com/gallery/erFRFpZ  Leftists, this shit is WAY out of control!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 28, 2014, 06:09:29 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on October 28, 2014, 12:16:44 PM
the title of the video is in Arabic: "abu hamad doesn't want to visit abou ubeed at his home....why???" (OK, in their weird khaleeji Arabic, the names are pronounced "boohamad" and "booubeed" (the "ee" is just two "e", not that sound associated with English ee)

the guy with the cane (abu hamad) won't visit him since the guy has no thermo-insulation (in spite of his advice to install the insulation), And is unwilling to change his mind, so his house is always awful to stay in (to abu hamad), which has the added problem that it costs a lot to thermo-regulate the place. When he throws the phone in, he says this:

"do you know how to swim? then swim!" *throws the phone in*

then he breaks the fourth wall, explaining insulation is important, and that while it costs relatively little, it will save a lot on energy bills, and that the difference is clear (he picks up the phone and tells the guy the same thing).

also, the cane isn't a fake prop: it's literally what they use there. canes aren't always used to walk with over there  :shrug:

EDIT: the commercial is from Saudi Arabia. It's apparently by this advocacy group (yes, they exist there), for cleaner more responsible use of energy.
...An Advocacy group for responsible use of energy? Something like that was NOT something I was expecting from Saudi Arabia, but then given how much oil they produce and export, I suppose it makes sense.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 28, 2014, 06:44:54 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 28, 2014, 05:16:08 PM
And is it normal to have it hooked over your shoulder like that? I always put mine on the floor beside or in front of me.

yeah I guess: just how he supports it. nobody I remember ever put theirs on the floor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 29, 2014, 01:13:26 AM
https://twitter.com/emorottie/status/527312682831974400
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 29, 2014, 11:07:58 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 28, 2014, 06:09:29 PM
...An Advocacy group for responsible use of energy? Something like that was NOT something I was expecting from Saudi Arabia, but then given how much oil they produce and export, I suppose it makes sense.

As I understand it, most Saudis aren't all that well off and often find themselves with time on their hands, particularly younger ones (what with there being few jobs, regardless of your education, and little opportunity to create your own, and many pursuits of young single people in other countries being flatly illegal), so the idea of a local group promoting more economical living (by whatever strategy) is one of the more positive directions this can go.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 29, 2014, 08:09:59 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on October 29, 2014, 11:07:58 AM
As I understand it, most Saudis aren't all that well off and often find themselves with time on their hands, particularly younger ones (what with there being few jobs, regardless of your education, and little opportunity to create your own, and many pursuits of young single people in other countries being flatly illegal), so the idea of a local group promoting more economical living (by whatever strategy) is one of the more positive directions this can go.

It's also a rare example of the Saudi government doing the right thing: just let it be advocated.

otherwise, yeah, most Arabs anywhere aren't that well off--even in the Gulf area. the rich people you see in the US as students tend to be from well connected families (not always though): I only remember meeting one Saudi only who was from humbler means (and he was alright)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on October 30, 2014, 12:47:27 AM
[yt]PGMQZEIXBMs[/yt]

the comments. (video itself not fail)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 30, 2014, 01:21:11 PM
https://twitter.com/The_Camera_Girl/status/527864187608133632/photo/1
SJWs believe they "own" this transwoman, that she is their "property", and she'd better stop being pro-#gamergate.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1NZrhGCIAAlsKi.png:large)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 30, 2014, 01:49:30 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 30, 2014, 01:21:11 PM
https://twitter.com/The_Camera_Girl/status/527864187608133632/photo/1
SJWs believe they "own" this transwoman, that she is their "property", and she'd better stop being pro-#gamergate.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1NZrhGCIAAlsKi.png:large)

FYI, link to the original: http://www.reddit.com/r/TransSupport/comments/2ks7k2/who_should_i_take_this_up_with_im_literally/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 30, 2014, 11:17:31 PM
https://plus.google.com/106485271768554661848/posts/AiLZdhnq5hZ
And a fail to https://plus.google.com/115549525700523002542 for +1'ing that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 31, 2014, 06:46:53 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 30, 2014, 11:17:31 PM
https://plus.google.com/106485271768554661848/posts/AiLZdhnq5hZ
And a fail to https://plus.google.com/115549525700523002542 for +1'ing that.

If your only defense of Obama is that he hasn't killed everyone in the opposition party, you don't have a defense of Obama.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 31, 2014, 10:56:45 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 31, 2014, 06:46:53 AM
If your only defense of Obama is that he hasn't killed everyone in the opposition party, you don't have a defense of Obama.
Posted on my own page because he disabled further comments (coward).  Also: https://plus.google.com/+MikeAllgood/posts Oy vey! Damn near all of his posts are liberal bogosity and fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 31, 2014, 12:15:22 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 31, 2014, 06:46:53 AM
If your only defense of Obama is that he hasn't killed everyone in the opposition party, you don't have a defense of Obama.
From that same guy's feed:  (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-mCSZGbD4I_Y/VFKbBa4QicI/AAAAAAAB5XM/rjY32iehJ_w/w797-h480-no/1385292_890597960973584_5415716638030574764_n.jpg)
>>Benghazi
So when a republican makes war, it's "NO BLOOD FOR OIL!" but when a democrat does it, well it's just a republican smear campaign...yeah, as if we needed even more proof that liberals don't give a shit about war, civil liberties, etc.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 31, 2014, 12:28:29 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1ScOa_CMAA8Bh-.png:large)

Guess the people at Mother Jones have no problem with having complete psychopaths on their editing team.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 31, 2014, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: D on October 31, 2014, 12:28:29 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1ScOa_CMAA8Bh-.png:large)

Guess the people at Mother Jones have no problem with having complete psychopaths on their editing team.
But you see, they're the victims! /sarcasm
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 31, 2014, 01:13:46 PM
And speaking of Twitter fails:

https://twitter.com/ultrashot2/status/528231515587895296
"Super Ultra Kitteh 4 ‏@ultrashot2  2m2 minutes ago
@MisterTamBear Yeah, too much bickering and stuff and meanwhile everyone suffers because of their inaction. I hate it!"
>>Everyone suffers because of their inaction.
>>because of their inaction.
>>Inaction.
Are you fucking kidding me? So when police shoot your dog on a mistaken drug raid is that inaction?  When govco--from both parties--bombs innocents overseas is that inaction?  When govco passes tens of thousands of new regulations, laws, statutes, ordanices, etc each year at the local, state and federal levels and enforcing them by either murder or throwing the people who violate their arbitrary whims in a rape cage called 'prison', is that inaction?

I could go on.  Him and Havana Wolf (and no doubt others) later in that thread act like all the bickering between the two main parties is keeping govco from doing good.  Folks.  That is beyond stupid.  If you seriously think govco isn't active, I don't believe you and you do the whole world a disservice by keeping your heads buried in the sand.  Folks, constantly doing the same thing is NOT inaction, by definition.

That being said, I was pleased to see he plans on not voting.  One less person participating in the system is always a good thing. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 31, 2014, 01:23:43 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 31, 2014, 01:13:46 PM
That being said, I was pleased to see he plans on not voting.  One less person participating in the system is always a good thing. :)

I still say, turn in a blank ballot instead. Let the mofo's write THAT off as apathy!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 31, 2014, 01:33:06 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 31, 2014, 01:23:43 PM
I still say, turn in a blank ballot instead. Let the mofo's write THAT off as apathy!
Indeed.  Whenever I'm dragged over to the voting booth (last time we stood around in cold over trees with spiders in them for THREE FREAKIN' HOURS!) I said "fuck this shit" and cast a blank ballot.  They say vote for who you want.  Well, I'm an anarchist, so I don't want rulers.  Ergo I voted for 'who' I wanted. ;)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 31, 2014, 04:12:22 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 31, 2014, 01:33:06 PM
Indeed.  Whenever I'm dragged over to the voting booth (last time we stood around in cold over trees with spiders in them for THREE FREAKIN' HOURS!) I said "fuck this shit" and cast a blank ballot.  They say vote for who you want.  Well, I'm an anarchist, so I don't want rulers.  Ergo I voted for 'who' I wanted. ;)

And if there's a write-in slot, you could put in "This ballot intentionally left blank."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 31, 2014, 05:43:59 PM
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PLhetbiDMrs/VFEFv5v-ZwI/AAAAAAAARk4/G9PWz_ilbgs/s640-no/Republicans%2Bgovernment%2Bshutdown.png)
From Being Liberal.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on October 31, 2014, 08:11:18 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 31, 2014, 05:43:59 PM
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PLhetbiDMrs/VFEFv5v-ZwI/AAAAAAAARk4/G9PWz_ilbgs/s640-no/Republicans%2Bgovernment%2Bshutdown.png)
From Being Liberal.

Shouldn't that read "Democrats shut down the government in order to keep their exemptions from Obamacate?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on October 31, 2014, 08:13:25 PM
From this conversation with a Christian friend of mine (https://www.facebook.com/gareth.wiganengland/posts/741258819281667?comment_id=741324535941762&offset=0&total_comments=8&notif_t=share_reply).
QuoteAtheism can't be proven. People claim to be Atheist but actually arn't. They secretly do believe in something. Even metal bands claim to have atheist members but they arn't. Just read the lyrics.

I just....fucking what?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 31, 2014, 09:12:18 PM
Quote from: D on October 31, 2014, 08:13:25 PM
From this conversation with a Christian friend of mine (https://www.facebook.com/gareth.wiganengland/posts/741258819281667?comment_id=741324535941762&offset=0&total_comments=8&notif_t=share_reply).
I just....fucking what?!

Yeah, that one's been going around awhile. We see it over and over again from people like Ray Comfort and Eric Hovind. Just watch Steve Shives's "An Atheist Reads" series.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 01, 2014, 07:40:47 AM
More threats that supposedly don't happen.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1UafQ_CQAAlFY-.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 01, 2014, 07:43:41 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1WmtmiCUAAazgU.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on November 01, 2014, 11:57:34 AM
(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10690274_10152488579711939_8889544091452335378_n.jpg?oh=3136350c59baa18c699627e33bd5e379&oe=54AF2BB7)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 01, 2014, 12:19:34 PM
Quote from: D on November 01, 2014, 07:40:47 AM
More threats that supposedly don't happen.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1UafQ_CQAAlFY-.jpg:large)
But it's not misogyny when they do it.  And even more ironic given what Anita said above...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 01, 2014, 04:38:34 PM
(https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10636301_728598347233222_5552349670736030007_n.jpg?oh=0698fd4050e3d3ef67146bdd4c635974&oe=54E13C78)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 01, 2014, 06:05:10 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on November 01, 2014, 04:38:34 PM
(https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10636301_728598347233222_5552349670736030007_n.jpg?oh=0698fd4050e3d3ef67146bdd4c635974&oe=54E13C78)

????

I'm not sure how this follows (think about it: the polls are done by news agencies, and he gets the highest low...so the agencies aren't in his pay?).

It's irrelevant anyways whether the news media is in his pay or not. fact is they can't do their jobs, and Obama's an asshole, like all the assholes before him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 01, 2014, 06:09:08 PM
There are people who are so anti-#GamerGate that they're willing to sabotage a charity.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1Y1HSRIQAAP13X.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 01, 2014, 06:12:21 PM
Have they no shame? no sense of honor? no sense of humanity? they're playing with lives here!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 01, 2014, 07:43:02 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on November 01, 2014, 04:38:34 PM
(https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10636301_728598347233222_5552349670736030007_n.jpg?oh=0698fd4050e3d3ef67146bdd4c635974&oe=54E13C78)

Yes, because all of a sudden it's the extremes that are important.

Obama's average approval rating is the lowest of any president since Jimmy Carter, and is actually lower than Nixon's.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 01, 2014, 07:44:20 PM
Quote from: D on November 01, 2014, 06:09:08 PM
There are people who are so anti-#GamerGate that they're willing to sabotage a charity.

Well, that's how it started, after all...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 01, 2014, 07:57:10 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 01, 2014, 07:44:20 PM
Well, that's how it started, after all...
Zoe Quinn sabotaging the Fine Young Capitalists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 01, 2014, 08:04:38 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 01, 2014, 07:44:20 PM
Well, that's how it started, after all...

While that may be true, the difference here is that UNICEF is about feeding starving children. These people are actually willing to let children starve simply because #GamerGate supporters gave a charity that feeds them money.

At least with TFYC, despite how fucked up that shit was, you didn't have to worry about potential deadly ramifications.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 01, 2014, 08:11:36 PM
Quote from: D on November 01, 2014, 08:04:38 PM
While that may be true, the difference here is that UNICEF is about feeding starving children. These people are actually willing to let children starve simply because #GamerGate supporters gave a charity that feeds them money.

At least with TFYC, despite how fucked up that shit was, you didn't have to worry about potential deadly ramifications.

True, but it's a difference in degree, not kind. This is just the true colors of the anti-GG people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 01, 2014, 08:51:35 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 01, 2014, 08:11:36 PM
True, but it's a difference in degree, not kind. This is just the true colors of the anti-GG people.

The hypocrisy of it all is absolutely shameful. They label GamerGate supporters as oppressive white males who hate minorities, yet they're actively trying to get a charity that feeds starving African children to not take their money. Completely classless.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 02, 2014, 07:37:08 AM
Quote from: D on November 01, 2014, 08:51:35 PM
The hypocrisy of it all is absolutely shameful. They label GamerGate supporters as oppressive white males who hate minorities, yet they're actively trying to get a charity that feeds starving African children to not take their money. Completely classless.

One of my favorite stories in the Spinnerette (http://www.spinnyverse.com/index.php?id=1) comic is when Objectivist villain (technically more of a rogue: he's actually a hero in his own way, but called a "villain" because he won't just do anything the government tells him to) Dr. Universe and Greta Gravity take literally tons of gold from neo-confederates wanting to clone Robert E. Lee and neo-Nazis wanting to clone Hitler, and they end up fighting it out.

When the heroes come to take them away, they find they can't arrest Dr. Universe and Greta because they haven't actually done anything wrong. He explains to them why cloning will never work (since a clone is an individual, not a duplicate, and no one in the South or Germany would have followed them anyway), and says that he's even done the world a great service by emptying the coffers of racist organizations.

The issue with this story starts here: http://www.spinnyverse.com/index.php?id=295

So, if the anti-GG people weren't a bunch of unthinking assholes, they'd actually WANT GG people to give all their money away to a good cause!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 02, 2014, 08:25:33 AM
[yt]7_tdztHiyiE[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 02, 2014, 03:10:05 PM
https://inkbunny.net/journalview.php?id=155962
Journal and comments are total fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 02, 2014, 10:13:06 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0Qf_2YCcAAwNM4.png)

Because in the crazy world of SJWs, only whites are racist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on November 03, 2014, 02:50:56 AM
(https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10402458_656725311112472_8871467330325323726_n.png?oh=fbaf94b01fd2e2029de8392dde89aa86&oe=54E46984)

(https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10527726_10152792556347908_406796983843121506_n.png?oh=4b6a43067ce038782fd4c0f0bcbc0324&oe=54D83341)

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 03, 2014, 06:27:53 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Sr7SS0G.jpg)

It would seem the someone actually flagged a video exposing one of Anita's harassers. The sad part? They flagged it as harassment. I won't say the anti-#GamerGate side definitely did it however because there's no evidence to suggest that they actually did, so it still could just be a third party troll. Either way, it's ridiculous.

Source (http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2l4iod/anita_harasser_colombro_video_pulled_from_youtube/)

EDIT: According to the reddit thread, apparently Sarkeesian did see the video and decided to do nothing about it. Seems like she enjoys being a victim.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on November 03, 2014, 03:22:03 PM
Quote from: tnu on November 03, 2014, 02:50:56 AM
(https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10402458_656725311112472_8871467330325323726_n.png?oh=fbaf94b01fd2e2029de8392dde89aa86&oe=54E46984)

Well it would be part of the homeschooling curriculum as he'd be getting an insight on how one of the most evil men on the planet thought.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on November 03, 2014, 03:29:26 PM
Looks like some anti-libertarians have caught wind of one of my "Statist and Anarchist" (http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/art/Statist-And-Anarchist-Invisible-Hand-490402424) comics: http://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughLibertarianSpam/comments/2kjqhn/apparently_this_guy_who_regularly_makes_really/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughLibertarianSpam/comments/2kjqhn/apparently_this_guy_who_regularly_makes_really/)

The entire thread is lulzy! :D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 03, 2014, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on November 03, 2014, 03:29:26 PM
Looks like some anti-libertarians have caught wind of one of my "Statist and Anarchist" (http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/art/Statist-And-Anarchist-Invisible-Hand-490402424) comics: http://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughLibertarianSpam/comments/2kjqhn/apparently_this_guy_who_regularly_makes_really/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughLibertarianSpam/comments/2kjqhn/apparently_this_guy_who_regularly_makes_really/)

The entire thread is lulzy! :D

God, it burns...They do realize that they're asking questions that could be answered in two minutes of research by just looking up how the Invisible Hand works, right? I guess not. Pulling a Lindy, that's all it is...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 03, 2014, 04:03:50 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on November 03, 2014, 03:22:03 PM
Well it would be part of the homeschooling curriculum as he'd be getting an insight on how one of the most evil men on the planet thought.
I laughed my ass off at that pic.  Good lord, talk about a lack of effort.

Quote from: MrBogosity on November 03, 2014, 03:44:10 PM
God, it burns...They do realize that they're asking questions that could be answered in two minutes of research by just looking up how the Invisible Hand works, right? I guess not. Pulling a Lindy, that's all it is...
If they're so in the dark about it that even a Google Search wouldn't help them, the least they could do is not talk about something they know nothing about.  That Rothbard quote comes to mind...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 04, 2014, 12:26:05 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1lTQr0CAAAQDYn.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 04, 2014, 12:40:47 PM
Quote from: D on November 04, 2014, 12:26:05 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1lTQr0CAAAQDYn.jpg)

I assume this is about #GamerGate, and this is the same Nick Denton of Gawker, parent company of Kotaku. Yeah, a corrupt journalist has a problem with people exposing corruption in journalism. Who'da thunk?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 04, 2014, 02:44:21 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 04, 2014, 12:40:47 PM
I assume this is about #GamerGate, and this is the same Nick Denton of Gawker, parent company of Kotaku. Yeah, a corrupt journalist has a problem with people exposing corruption in journalism. Who'da thunk?

Yeah, it is.

Not to mention this was basically a confession that he hired people to try and sabotage the movement.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 04, 2014, 06:01:45 PM
[yt]098t08Ow6TQ[/yt]

Arthur Chu is just...Jesus fucking Christ.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 05, 2014, 12:39:44 AM
https://twitter.com/TravisRetriever/status/529857303772921856 jimmies--they have been rustled. 8-)
Some twat who really ought to know better who doesn't understand that a bald assertion of, "well we tried total capitalism and look at what happened! The chinese factories, the labor during the indusrial revolution; totally screwed the poor!" "Fine, if you dont' want to learn from history your fault!" Shame.  He's an engineer like me.  And seems successful and not just with career but married and with a loving mate. Gods, it's painful watching statism poison his mind.

Yeah, I was in a trolly mood, but fuck it.  I am NOT in a good place tonight.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 05, 2014, 10:15:43 AM
http://www.politico.com/ (http://www.politico.com/)

For not seeming to have important details anywhere, like what the hell their little letter-codes for party affiliations are.

Obviously, the red R is for Republican and the blue D is for Democrat, and I expect the yellow (everybody else is in yellow) L is Libertarian (incidentally, there was a LOT of Libertarian support in a LOT of races, and the only race I saw that was spoilered was by three Republicans), and the I is Independent, but what the hell is N?  That's the affiliation of the guy who won Governor for Alaska.  (I checked on his campaign site, once I found it, and it looks like he's calling himself "Non-Partisan", which sounds like somebody trying to avoid saying who he's associated with.  In another area he describes himself as a "Conservative Republican" and his running mate as a Democrat, and their platform sounds like a horrible mish-mash of sound bites from both groups.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 05, 2014, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on November 05, 2014, 10:15:43 AM
http://www.politico.com/ (http://www.politico.com/)

For not seeming to have important details anywhere, like what the hell their little letter-codes for party affiliations are.

Obviously, the red R is for Republican and the blue D is for Democrat, and I expect the yellow (everybody else is in yellow) L is Libertarian (incidentally, there was a LOT of Libertarian support in a LOT of races, and the only race I saw that was spoilered was by three Republicans), and the I is Independent, but what the hell is N?  That's the affiliation of the guy who won Governor for Alaska.  (I checked on his campaign site, once I found it, and it looks like he's calling himself "Non-Partisan", which sounds like somebody trying to avoid saying who he's associated with.  In another area he describes himself as a "Conservative Republican" and his running mate as a Democrat, and their platform sounds like a horrible mish-mash of sound bites from both groups.)

Non-Partisan is what they call Independent in Alaska.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 05, 2014, 10:10:12 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 05, 2014, 08:32:28 PM
Non-Partisan is what they call Independent in Alaska.

So what does the 'C' for Meyer mean?  The site would make more sense if it had a legend, like any sanely constructed site would.  (Given the 50 different electoral regimes, expecting consistency would be foolish.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 05, 2014, 11:53:31 PM
https://twitter.com/chipfoxx/status/530217318177964032
Okay, so how many things do you see wrong with this?
A few I noticed
1) Saying that voting matters.
2) Implying the democrats and republicans are seriously different (a point he never actually even tried addressing in my convo with him earlier).
3) Mother.  Freakin'.  Jones.  Seriously, that's almost as bad as Alex Jones.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 06, 2014, 06:34:24 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on November 05, 2014, 11:53:31 PM
https://twitter.com/chipfoxx/status/530217318177964032
Okay, so how many things do you see wrong with this?
A few I noticed
1) Saying that voting matters.
2) Implying the democrats and republicans are seriously different (a point he never actually even tried addressing in my convo with him earlier).
3) Mother.  Freakin'.  Jones.  Seriously, that's almost as bad as Alex Jones.

4) More lack of personal accountability from Democrats, who ran absolutely horrible people like Kay Hagan and are out to blame anyone else for their loss.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 06, 2014, 12:04:55 PM
I'm liking Ladyattis less and less...

[yt]5tVOajbzLmE[/yt]

Also check out the replies to my comments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 06, 2014, 12:19:48 PM
Interesting that she said she blocked me, but then just kept responding to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 06, 2014, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: VectorM on November 06, 2014, 12:19:48 PM
Interesting that she said she blocked me, but then just kept responding to me.
I wasn't even aware you could do that. Damn.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on November 06, 2014, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: MrBogosityI'm liking Ladyattis less and less...

I actually don't see a point in the video. If he means what I think he does, then I'm going to say there's lots of opportunity in games for LGBT characters, both PC and NPC. Many, many games make this depend on how you play. To wit: the entire Sims franchise, Grand Theft Auto (starting at iv), Skyrim, Oblivion (with mods).  As a side note, a whole bunch of the SJW complaints about games fall under this category: the reason there's rac-sex-nation-ism in your game is that is the way YOU chose to play. Also, it's sort of bullshit to even bring it up for games like call of duty or wow, where these things wouldn't ever come up.

Quote from: Travis RetrieverI wasn't even aware you could do that. Damn.
Given that apparently the person can still comment on a video even after being blocked, as far as I'm concerned blocking is stupid. All it does is open an opportunity for you to get owned and not even know you got owned. See comments on above video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on November 06, 2014, 03:31:29 PM
[yt]Ga3DAsN-WLg[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 06, 2014, 04:11:44 PM
https://twitter.com/RainierOunce/status/530464454472134656
Yeah, democrats, tell me more about how you aren't like the "IF YER NOT WITH ME YOU'RE A FUCKING TERRORIST!" us vs them republicans.  Fuck you.
if folks are giving you the opposite of love-apathy and you admit that, what else could that be but an admission of failure.  And really? Since when are we the ones with the pet issues? That's you statists, last time I checked.  I know a waste of time when I see it. Fail to @MilesRose for RT the above tweet too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on November 07, 2014, 12:09:27 AM
More bullcrap from IAB (http://www.i-am-bored.com/forums.asp?action=read&ct=10&q_id=104865&read_page=1):

QuoteThe part about believing other crap as well: totally true: anti-AGW = anti-abortion = pro-gun = punishment instead of rehabilitation = against minimum wage = against equality = against LGBT rights = against taxes = against government = against separation of church and state = against multi-culturalism = pro-segregation in some form = against foreign aid = against immigrants etc.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 07, 2014, 12:50:55 AM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on November 07, 2014, 12:09:27 AM
More bullcrap from IAB (http://www.i-am-bored.com/forums.asp?action=read&ct=10&q_id=104865&read_page=1):
Talk about a non-inquisitor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 07, 2014, 04:11:42 PM
From http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_994_27-sex-myths-you-need-to-stop-believing_p2/
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/6/6/6/299666_v1.jpg)
Debunked so many times as to be ridiculous.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 07, 2014, 10:34:35 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10403423_297850187088699_1029732968332202718_n.png?oh=cc26469b291c125050dd3f01cd0972b4&oe=54E53CF4&__gda__=1423118632_0a0a755077f0e900c2c5542bb6cc53a2)
I swear these people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dukect45 on November 08, 2014, 12:00:31 AM
https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/520773944610000897 (https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/520773944610000897)

Just plain stupidity here
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on November 08, 2014, 04:52:10 PM
Quote from: Dukect45 on November 08, 2014, 12:00:31 AM
https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/520773944610000897 (https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/520773944610000897)

Just plain stupidity here

#fullmacintosh
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 08, 2014, 05:48:06 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on November 07, 2014, 10:34:35 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10403423_297850187088699_1029732968332202718_n.png?oh=cc26469b291c125050dd3f01cd0972b4&oe=54E53CF4&__gda__=1423118632_0a0a755077f0e900c2c5542bb6cc53a2)
I swear these people.
No, OP.  It's a biological and evolutionary construct.  Deal with it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 08, 2014, 08:40:43 PM
[yt]SoJ0EQE4KEo[/yt]

This video was posted on another forum I go to. Some absurd shit. The guy in question claims he promoted fluoridation for 25 years, but after "coaching" from his patients was told to "check the science" and made a 180 on his stance on fluoride.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 08, 2014, 09:03:55 PM
Quote from: D on November 08, 2014, 08:40:43 PM
[yt]SoJ0EQE4KEo[/yt]

This video was posted on another forum I go to. Some absurd shit. The guy in question claims he promoted fluoridation for 25 years, but after "coaching" from his patients was told to "check the science" and made a 180 on his stance on fluoride.
Ya, and Kirk Cameron was an atheist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 10, 2014, 05:50:27 PM
[yt]G790p0LcgbI[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 12, 2014, 06:48:21 PM
https://plus.google.com/115549525700523002542/posts/Qytx37gNjg2
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 12, 2014, 10:05:18 PM
[yt]fpbOEoRrHyU[/yt]

Misinformative, but still fav in that it is funny. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on November 13, 2014, 09:48:54 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/7uJ4ML9.png)

I'm not sure what is sadder: that a woman seriously believes this, that other people seriously believe her, or that news stories like this make writing satire all the more difficult. I mean, how the hell is The Onion supposed to compete with that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 14, 2014, 02:41:52 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on November 13, 2014, 09:48:54 PM
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/7uJ4ML9.png)[/spoiler]

I'm not sure what is sadder: that a woman seriously believes this, that other people seriously believe her, or that news stories like this make writing satire all the more difficult. I mean, how the hell is The Onion supposed to compete with that?
"healthy food is too expensive!"
Fact:  You can get shredded on skittles and coke (the soda...yes, even the caffeine free stuff) as I've established by Armi Legge before:

Quote from: Armi Legge
Myth #1: What you eat is more important than how much you eat.

You could get ripped on skittles and coke (the soda).
That's an extreme example, and you probably wouldn't enjoy that diet. However, in terms of just weight loss, it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you're in a caloric deficit. You'll lose weight.

There's no evidence that "junk food" is more fattening than "healthy food" if they have the same number of calories.5

Here are a few more common scapegoats:

Toxins like bisphenol-A (BPA).6
Genetically modified foods.
Sugar.7
Fructose.8
Gluten.
Dairy.
There's no evidence that eating any of these foods will make you gain more fat, or slow fat loss, while you're in a calorie deficit.5,6,9-11 There is also no evidence that other foods will help you lose more fat while dieting.
This doesn't mean food quality is irrelevant. Eating whole, nutritious, filling foods helps control hunger and keeps you healthy in the long-term.12-15

However, eating moderate amounts of "unclean" foods is not going to make any impact on your ability to lose fat as long as you're in a caloric deficit.

Certain foods are more filling than others, and thus make it easier to maintain a caloric deficit. However, as long as you're in a caloric deficit, you'll lose weight.

Food "quality" (whatever that means) doesn't make any difference.
(Sources in the article:  https://evidencemag.com/calories-count )

"Exercise is too expensive!"
Bullshit.  Walk around and stand up more.  Both of which cost absolutely nothing.  Hell, even many resistance training exercises (like push-ups) can be done on the floor for free.  #NoExcuses
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on November 14, 2014, 07:04:43 PM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10394058_10203137577510089_774647352065533900_n.jpg?oh=7f828b3883078d40f134bb10ff78d405&oe=54E5745D)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 14, 2014, 07:06:29 PM
Quote from: tnu on November 14, 2014, 07:04:43 PM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10394058_10203137577510089_774647352065533900_n.jpg?oh=7f828b3883078d40f134bb10ff78d405&oe=54E5745D)

Um, aren't they inadvertently admitting something?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on November 14, 2014, 07:20:37 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 14, 2014, 07:06:29 PM
Um, aren't they inadvertently admitting something?

What exactly?

That their cause is fundamentally bigoted.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 15, 2014, 05:17:55 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/10807154_805666046159092_252545685_n.jpg?oh=1c0f81ef929ebda9c5b6c0a394393ce6&oe=54699A10&__gda__=1416145165_d857bbea38064f24ca0068f7097b1856)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 15, 2014, 08:35:31 AM
Quote from: D on November 15, 2014, 05:17:55 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/10807154_805666046159092_252545685_n.jpg?oh=1c0f81ef929ebda9c5b6c0a394393ce6&oe=54699A10&__gda__=1416145165_d857bbea38064f24ca0068f7097b1856)

Reminds you of Christians whining about how they're soooo oppressed in our society, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 15, 2014, 10:24:58 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 15, 2014, 08:35:31 AM
Reminds you of Christians whining about how they're soooo oppressed in our society, doesn't it?

I've heard this bullshit before when it comes to racism. To them, you can't be racist towards white people because white people are in power, and therefore it's not bad.

It's fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 15, 2014, 10:53:06 AM
Quote from: D on November 15, 2014, 10:24:58 AM
I've heard this bullshit before when it comes to racism. To them, you can't be racist towards white people because white people are in power, and therefore it's not bad.

It's fucking stupid.
Indeed.  It's just ad hominem interlaced with original sin fallacy like we've all said before, you know?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 15, 2014, 12:13:05 PM
https://twitter.com/Fuzzypaw/status/533668168397373440
More Social Contract/"You didn't build that"/and Broken Window Fallacy bogosity.
Being one of the 2-5 rationalist libertarian furs in existence, it gets painful watching friends of mine (who are in freakin' science as a career to boot) spew crap like this from their word holes.
But yeah, it feels lonely.  there are a good 100,000 to 400,000 furries around the world, yet I can count the rationalist libertarian ones I know of on one hand. I hope there are more... :(
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 15, 2014, 01:38:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JclnEPi.jpg)

Geordie Tait is a massive piece of shit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 15, 2014, 05:25:52 PM
This video is hard to watch. The guy, named Jon, is just absolutely unbearable.

[yt]48QeoxpKAdg[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 15, 2014, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: D on November 15, 2014, 05:17:55 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/10807154_805666046159092_252545685_n.jpg?oh=1c0f81ef929ebda9c5b6c0a394393ce6&oe=54699A10&__gda__=1416145165_d857bbea38064f24ca0068f7097b1856)

Okay, time for a thought experiment.  Let's say a woman drugged a man, kept him in her basement chained up and used him as her personal sex toy and whatever else tickled her fancy.  Does he still have power over her?

Just another reason why collectivism is bullshit.  It's just a way for lazy people to avoid honestly observing the world.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 15, 2014, 06:12:23 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on November 15, 2014, 06:08:20 PM
Okay, time for a thought experiment.  Let's say a woman drugged a man, kept him in her basement chained up and used him as her personal sex toy and whatever else tickled her fancy.  Does he still have power over her?

Just another reason why collectivism is bullshit.  It's just a way for lazy people to avoid honestly observing the world.

If reading past comments from these mental midgets has shown me anything, their answer to that is by virtue of having a penis, no matter what happens to him, he's still privileged, therefore yes he still has power over her according to their ass backwards logic.

This nonsense is definitely poison to the mind.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 15, 2014, 06:53:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2hRzt4IUAAb8qj.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 16, 2014, 08:19:21 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on November 15, 2014, 12:13:05 PM
https://twitter.com/Fuzzypaw/status/533668168397373440
More Social Contract/"You didn't build that"/and Broken Window Fallacy bogosity.
Being one of the 2-5 rationalist libertarian furs in existence, it gets painful watching friends of mine (who are in freakin' science as a career to boot) spew crap like this from their word holes.
But yeah, it feels lonely.  there are a good 100,000 to 400,000 furries around the world, yet I can count the rationalist libertarian ones I know of on one hand. I hope there are more... :(

While I don't actively participate in the community (for reasons you already elaborated on), you can count me as one if it makes you feel better.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 16, 2014, 08:32:41 AM
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/1508624_617348425054480_7587377672319858633_n.png?oh=c7ad0e79dbb870523853862062a114fc&oe=54D3F30C)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 16, 2014, 01:53:37 PM
http://eternalgeekexposed.deviantart.com/art/Why-I-outgrew-Libertarianism-359643876
>>Outgrew Libertarianism
So he outgrew wanting to be an adult?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 16, 2014, 07:50:45 PM
https://plus.google.com/115549525700523002542/posts/Rz9DynZxktF
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 17, 2014, 01:34:33 AM
so the deaths of 11.5 million people (6.5 Million Jews included--being the main target of this travesty), in an industrial scale genocide is somehow better than an up-skirt shot.

fuck....how does one answer this?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 17, 2014, 12:57:48 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on November 17, 2014, 01:34:33 AM
so the deaths of 11.5 million people (6.5 Million Jews included--being the main target of this travesty), in an industrial scale genocide is somehow better than an up-skirt shot.

fuck....how does one answer this?

I've been looking for an excuse to post this video:

[yt]vFldBVWFgWo[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 17, 2014, 03:47:04 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2q3-rWIcAEYiMO.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 17, 2014, 03:52:16 PM
Quote from: D on November 17, 2014, 03:47:04 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2q3-rWIcAEYiMO.jpg)
Projection so hard we could use them to summon batman.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 17, 2014, 07:32:14 PM
This. All of it. (http://theoatmeal.com/blog/net_neutrality)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 17, 2014, 09:40:56 PM
Quote from: D on November 17, 2014, 07:32:14 PM
This. All of it. (http://theoatmeal.com/blog/net_neutrality)
Fail in form too. What tweet? He never displayed/linked to it. (Okay, the tweet displays on FireFox, not sure why Chrome is being a dick about it.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 18, 2014, 04:39:51 PM
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10153949_618880441567945_6293106010081283388_n.jpg?oh=8926895a87e781064eec907892f11a9e&oe=54D46848)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 18, 2014, 06:48:54 PM
Really? Even, Phil Plait is in on this bullshit! That's it! If we are going to ban words, let's ban Racist, Sexist, and Misogynist since no one knows how to fucking use them anymore.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/11/17/casual_sexism_when_a_shirt_is_more_than_a_shirt.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 18, 2014, 07:05:19 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on November 18, 2014, 06:48:54 PM
Really? Even, Phil Plait is in on this bullshit! That's it! If we are going to ban words, let's ban Racist, Sexist, and Misogynist since no one knows how to fucking use them anymore.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/11/17/casual_sexism_when_a_shirt_is_more_than_a_shirt.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top
Any chance of him getting a BBE or IE? Good lord.
As for banning words, can we also ban phrases too? Like "check your privilege!" and to your list, "Manplaining," "slut-shaming," "fat shaming," "hetero-normative," "ableist," "cissies," etc
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 18, 2014, 07:43:39 PM
[yt]WdOJHOzkaUk[/yt]

ladyattis is little more than a religious zealot at this point.

The video he/she is talking about: [yt]8tF8m0q_CQM&index=1&list=LLBcxeMaiyy1lxd5FxkHWoqg[/yt]

It is actually really incredible that someone from the gaming comunity would try to interview Jack and try to understand his real perspective on this. But no, apperantly, nobody should listen to him at all (the video doesn't even approve of anything he did, it just gives as a perspective and actually listens to what the guy actually has to say, rather than give us out of context quot-mines) and the very fact that he is on board means that GamerGate should be completelly ignored. I  have absolutelly 0 respect left for ladyattis.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 18, 2014, 07:56:43 PM
https://twitter.com/Fuzzypaw/status/534851064478978048
https://twitter.com/Fuzzypaw/status/534576234491944960
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 18, 2014, 11:29:28 PM
Quote from: VectorM on November 18, 2014, 07:43:39 PM
[yt]WdOJHOzkaUk[/yt]

ladyattis is little more than a religious zealot at this point.

The video he/she is talking about: [yt]8tF8m0q_CQM&index=1&list=LLBcxeMaiyy1lxd5FxkHWoqg[/yt]

It is actually really incredible that someone from the gaming comunity would try to interview Jack and try to understand his real perspective on this. But no, apperantly, nobody should listen to him at all (the video doesn't even approve of anything he did, it just gives as a perspective and actually listens to what the guy actually has to say, rather than give us out of context quot-mines) and the very fact that he is on board means that GamerGate should be completelly ignored. I  have absolutelly 0 respect left for ladyattis.
And comments are disabled of course.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 19, 2014, 06:46:45 PM
From https://plus.google.com/106485271768554661848/posts/LvtxsJaimxF
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PAly0asRxB8/VGequ-9qEPI/AAAAAAAB6s8/U5t4XdW7RVk/s723-no/10676282_847496205271489_5405667804504171917_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 19, 2014, 07:57:17 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on November 19, 2014, 06:46:45 PM
From https://plus.google.com/106485271768554661848/posts/LvtxsJaimxF
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PAly0asRxB8/VGequ-9qEPI/AAAAAAAB6s8/U5t4XdW7RVk/s723-no/10676282_847496205271489_5405667804504171917_n.jpg)

This would be less idiotic to someone who, unlike me, doesn't work in fast food at more than minimum wage.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 20, 2014, 01:04:50 PM
https://plus.google.com/115549525700523002542/posts/LMPbMRskf6C
He's an engineer working for the government who had access to computers, the internet and the furry fandom since before he was 10 years old (he's 29 years old now, if not 30) as well as also being a landlord who is married to a cinematographer (his husband) who is also the Director of Photography and a College Prof in his mid 20s and he's bitching about the super rich? Bitch please. From my perspective, you and your hubby are both are ivory tower elitists with nothing to offer a poor fuck like me. STFU, OP.

All his political posts are just typical liberal-statist bullshit:  https://plus.google.com/+ChipFox/posts
Needless to say, I finally lost my patience and unfollowed this liberal prick and his "hubby" on social media.  Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on November 20, 2014, 03:24:52 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on November 19, 2014, 06:46:45 PM
From https://plus.google.com/106485271768554661848/posts/LvtxsJaimxF
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PAly0asRxB8/VGequ-9qEPI/AAAAAAAB6s8/U5t4XdW7RVk/s723-no/10676282_847496205271489_5405667804504171917_n.jpg)

Obvious cherrypicking is obvious
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 20, 2014, 05:46:27 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10603686_10152497830312426_3624812002693744938_n.jpg?oh=5cccd3a38059f6a53aaca86073c3dd25&oe=54D8C52B&__gda__=1424227014_cc034383d90b5095071e1d0ff9922be2)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 20, 2014, 05:48:42 PM
Quote from: D on November 20, 2014, 05:46:27 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10603686_10152497830312426_3624812002693744938_n.jpg?oh=5cccd3a38059f6a53aaca86073c3dd25&oe=54D8C52B&__gda__=1424227014_cc034383d90b5095071e1d0ff9922be2)
Indeed.
It's like I've said before.
Folks, if you can't understand why someone would WANT to work on holidays then fuck off, because you're to big of an ivory tower elitist prick to be of ANY help to the poor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 20, 2014, 07:54:46 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B27PXL5CIAESo5A.jpg:large)
Screencap of it as the OP deleted it after I RT it.
Also, saved to my HDD just in case they try to censor the guy who took this screencap.  Much love to @shitpostman for taking the screencap.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 20, 2014, 07:59:25 PM
And speaking of super-fails:
https://www.change.org/p/president-barack-obama-protect-the-furries
https://www.change.org/p/president-barack-obama-protect-the-furries/u/8798401?recruiter=7374118&utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_twitter_responsive
*headdesk* As Hawkeye said to me in AIM about this:  "Stop listening to what they [those in government] say and start looking at what they do.  Folks, it's not that complicated!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 21, 2014, 06:48:13 PM
Because nothing says love and tolerance like eugenics: https://twitter.com/WhiteFoxYork/status/535941624237662208
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 21, 2014, 08:12:16 PM
If you think WTNH's "Voice of the People" is bad, check out their commenters on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/WTNH8/posts/10152347939115736). Gives Youtube comments a run for its money in terms of pure shitposting.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on November 21, 2014, 10:32:04 PM
http://fortlauderdale.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=341 (http://fortlauderdale.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=341)

First minute and a half of the video

As the Ft. Lauderdale City Council votes to proclaim this week "Homeless Awareness Week", they toss out an advocate for the homeless and tell him "As a homeless protester just step outside rather than make a scene."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 21, 2014, 10:43:12 PM
And now the commenters are praising Joe Arpaio (https://www.facebook.com/WTNH8/posts/10152348155520736).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 21, 2014, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: D on November 21, 2014, 10:43:12 PM
And now the commenters are praising Joe Arpaio (https://www.facebook.com/WTNH8/posts/10152348155520736).
Pardon me while I gouge out my eyes...

Also:  http://www.theblockbot.com/
The irony of the comic by XKCD! IT BURNS!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 22, 2014, 07:58:12 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1505610_991482564202133_6278141278930262811_n.jpg?oh=cdecccd8ea39ea2027bc63314d19de4f&oe=5514BF5F&__gda__=1423935134_21ee8790b8d3d15f7d3994edc0e41364)

Calling bullshit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on November 22, 2014, 10:08:42 AM
Quote from: D on November 22, 2014, 07:58:12 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1505610_991482564202133_6278141278930262811_n.jpg?oh=cdecccd8ea39ea2027bc63314d19de4f&oe=5514BF5F&__gda__=1423935134_21ee8790b8d3d15f7d3994edc0e41364)

Calling bullshit.

Again it's more cherrypicking, also why did she have kids?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 22, 2014, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on November 22, 2014, 10:08:42 AM
Again it's more cherrypicking, also why did she have kids?
Indeed. Folks, kids are expensive.  Don't pretend you don't know after you've churned a few out.  Not rocket science, people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on November 22, 2014, 02:00:25 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on November 22, 2014, 12:00:07 PM
Indeed. Folks, kids are expensive.  Don't pretend you don't know after you've churned a few out.  Not rocket science, people.

Also, "walmart worker" is to vague to be meaningful in this context. At any given Wal-mart, there's probably 50ish different jobs available, each paying on a different scale. I have two family members that work there, and they both manage to food the table and roof the head just fine.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on November 23, 2014, 06:43:51 AM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/112595305444742/permalink/758017970902469/

Everything by Cody Pendant
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 23, 2014, 02:18:34 PM
The WTNH commenters (https://www.facebook.com/WTNH8/posts/10152350851000736) justified killing a 12 year old.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2014, 03:12:28 PM
Quote from: D on November 23, 2014, 02:18:34 PM
The WTNH commenters (https://www.facebook.com/WTNH8/posts/10152350851000736) justified killing a 12 year old.
I know Shane doesn't have a biggest scumbag award, but if he did, I'd nominate them for it.  Maybe IE nomination, instead.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 23, 2014, 03:33:00 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2014, 03:12:28 PM
I know Shane doesn't have a biggest scumbag award, but if he did, I'd nominate them for it.  Maybe IE nomination, instead.

WTNH commenters really deserve a lifetime achievement award. They make the worst youtube comments look like highly respected debates of rational discourse.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on November 23, 2014, 05:14:49 PM
You can also add colbert report to biggest scumbag, although the free keene people arent exactly helping their case.

[yt]u_grsfXr7po[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on November 23, 2014, 09:08:43 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/sep/01/ya-dystopias-children-free-market-hunger-games-the-giver-divergent

This could go to idiot extraordinaire
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on November 24, 2014, 12:59:29 AM
http://www.slashfilm.com/10-star-wars-mysteries/

Nevermind that literally ALL of these questions had already been answered before Disney decided to scrap it all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 24, 2014, 06:42:39 AM
Quote from: tnu on November 24, 2014, 12:59:29 AM
http://www.slashfilm.com/10-star-wars-mysteries/

Nevermind that literally ALL of these questions had already been answered before Disney decided to scrap it all.

And that proper literature doesn't demand that everything be explained. (Then again, "Star Wars" and "proper literature" are rarely used in the same sentence together...)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 24, 2014, 09:39:18 AM
I didn't make it past the first 36 seconds. I have a feeling it just gets worse as it goes:

[yt]32mxZxv3dYM[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 24, 2014, 12:55:20 PM
Quote from: tnu on November 24, 2014, 12:59:29 AM
http://www.slashfilm.com/10-star-wars-mysteries/

Nevermind that literally ALL of these questions had already been answered before Disney decided to scrap it all.

The prophecy, I actually like Moviebob's theory that it was actually a ploy by the sith.  I mean really, them believing in it worked pretty nicely in Darth Sidious' favour didn't it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 24, 2014, 02:21:39 PM
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6290159/#cid:43256601
The other bloke's latest comment to me.  #3 primarily.  Oy.  Brits.  If I gave enough of a shit, here would be my response to #3:

3) "is relative" and there's more of it in TN compared to my homestate of MD as the link explains.  Relative =/= subjective.  If it was subjective, you couldn't say one place is free compared to another.
Actually:  http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking the UK is slightly less free, but not by much.

Yeah, them brits love their state.  Something me, Hawkeye and Dave have learned time and time again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on November 24, 2014, 02:55:28 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on November 24, 2014, 02:21:39 PM
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6290159/#cid:43256601
The other bloke's latest comment to me.  #3 primarily.  Oy.  Brits.  If I gave enough of a shit, here would be my response to #3:

3) "is relative" and there's more of it in TN compared to my homestate of MD as the link explains.  Relative =/= subjective.  If it was subjective, you couldn't say one place is free compared to another.
Actually:  http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking the UK is slightly less free, but not by much.

Yeah, them brits love their state.  Something me, Hawkeye and Dave have learned time and time again.

That or anarcho-states if your like libertarian socialist rants
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 24, 2014, 03:37:29 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on November 24, 2014, 12:55:20 PM
The prophecy, I actually like Moviebob's theory that it was actually a ploy by the sith.  I mean really, them believing in it worked pretty nicely in Darth Sidious' favour didn't it?

Meh, the Sith's hat is basically turning everything to their personal advantage, no matter what it is.  Darth Sidious (probably) didn't create the trade taxation issue in the first movie, he just exploited it to rise to the apex of power in the Republic. (One of the few well-written aspects of the film is how he uses what's probably a routine matter to manufacture a crisis that gets him to the top, including the fact that economic problems are what kills powerful states, not force of arms or subversion, which just finish off the husk that remains. The Republic is effectively dead by the time he becomes Chancellor, but part of his plan is making sure that nobody notices for a long time.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 25, 2014, 01:55:53 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on November 24, 2014, 03:37:29 PM
Meh, the Sith's hat is basically turning everything to their personal advantage, no matter what it is.  Darth Sidious (probably) didn't create the trade taxation issue in the first movie, he just exploited it to rise to the apex of power in the Republic. (One of the few well-written aspects of the film is how he uses what's probably a routine matter to manufacture a crisis that gets him to the top, including the fact that economic problems are what kills powerful states, not force of arms or subversion, which just finish off the husk that remains. The Republic is effectively dead by the time he becomes Chancellor, but part of his plan is making sure that nobody notices for a long time.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKArCuRQVNM

The whole vid if you want details.  It's actually a very plausible idea and even kinda redeems the prequels to an extent.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 25, 2014, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on November 25, 2014, 01:55:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKArCuRQVNM

The whole vid if you want details.  It's actually a very plausible idea and even kinda redeems the prequels to an extent.

It's an interesting idea, although he missed the fact that this interpretation is hard to come to since we, the audience, know all along that Anakin can't possibly be the fulfillment of the prophecy since we've all seen the original trilogy already and know precisely where his story has to go.

I also have absolutely no confidence in George Lucas actually being CLEVER about his storytelling. He seemed quite pleased with always giving Anakin and Luke the same decisions to make and them each making different choices and then being constrained by events to the same path, and I really don't see what's so clever about giving your central characters the illusion of choice.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on November 25, 2014, 02:51:13 PM
What's the best way to protest the travesty of Ferguson and the Michael Brown case?

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/537155464367456256

Why, by denying business to people trying to make an honest living!

*sigh*

I'd bet dollars to dimes that the idea of not paying taxes to the government they're protesting against would be met with "Who will build the roads?" or, more ironically, "who will fund the police?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 25, 2014, 04:37:35 PM
https://plus.google.com/112759301310383471622/posts/T6sPj9ih9yk
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 25, 2014, 04:40:02 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on November 25, 2014, 02:51:13 PM
What's the best way to protest the travesty of Ferguson and the Michael Brown case?

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/537155464367456256

Why, by denying business to people trying to make an honest living!

*sigh*

I'd bet dollars to dimes that the idea of not paying taxes to the government they're protesting against would be met with "Who will build the roads?" or, more ironically, "who will fund the police?"
Just to be a dick, I replied to that with: "I'm going to shop on Thanksgiving and Black Friday."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on November 25, 2014, 06:16:03 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on November 25, 2014, 04:40:02 PM
Just to be a dick, I replied to that with: "I'm going to shop on Thanksgiving and Black Friday."

Are you sure you replied? I don't see your comment there...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 25, 2014, 08:38:30 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on November 25, 2014, 06:16:03 PM
Are you sure you replied? I don't see your comment there...
It's there, I checked.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 26, 2014, 01:00:08 PM
https://twitter.com/MattBors/status/537641217878917121/photo/1
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3YV1qxCYAACP2N.png)
Can't tell if fail or not...so until otherwise, it goes here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on November 26, 2014, 09:25:14 PM
Okay, seriously. WTNH commenters have sunk to a new low (https://www.facebook.com/WTNH8/posts/10152356738605736?comment_id=10152356781830736&notif_t=like). They saw the fucking footage of that kid getting shot and outright justify it.

I'll give you a sample:
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10421395_10152759861839724_3575909056100849000_n.jpg?oh=fcfa8f9a418a53f5a9a537dfab75b92b&oe=5512E9EC)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 27, 2014, 05:14:21 AM
[yt]BDTUfvscfoc[/yt]
The show win.
The feminist in the beginning needs a doctor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 29, 2014, 11:27:57 AM
https://twitter.com/Show_Me15/status/538698600788680705
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3nXhIDCAAA7AO_.jpg)
Fail to https://twitter.com/rkniner for RT the above.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 29, 2014, 01:51:17 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on November 29, 2014, 11:27:57 AM
https://twitter.com/Show_Me15/status/538698600788680705
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3nXhIDCAAA7AO_.jpg)
Fail to https://twitter.com/rkniner for RT the above.

McDonalds isn't supposed to be a job you build a career on Einstein!  It's for the young workers to get some experience under their belts.  Stop muscling in on their turf!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 01, 2014, 10:00:17 AM
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=49473#.VHx_CzHF9Q0
"1 December 2014 – Ending the AIDS epidemic by 2030 requires a comprehensive approach that includes social justice, the democratization of science, gender equity, and a people-centred approach to health, said United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on World AIDS Day, as he spotlighted the gap in prevention and treatment that persist among regions and people."
>>Social Justice.
>>Democratization of Science.
Nope.  Go fuck yourself, OP.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 02, 2014, 12:36:08 AM
https://twitter.com/Kalusk9
https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/539641677846020096
https://twitter.com/Kalusk9/status/539652218329124864
https://twitter.com/Kalusk9/status/539652463012237312
Cry me a fucking river, OP.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 06, 2014, 07:33:12 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4KwfQ6CAAAP-W-.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 06, 2014, 06:04:41 PM
You know Social Justice Warriors are fucked up when white girls are telling black men who grew up in the deep South during Jim Crow that they don't know what racism is.
[yt]pWqMYqFI2tg[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 06, 2014, 08:37:21 PM
Quote from: D on December 06, 2014, 07:33:12 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4KwfQ6CAAAP-W-.png)

how would planing something help with living conditions again?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on December 06, 2014, 09:13:59 PM
This is a comment to Lee Doren's latest video regarding Eric Garner:

QuoteActually, Eric Garner was stealing from the business owners and commercial real estate developers who created the retail venue where Mr. Garner had set up his parasitic unlicensed retail operation. Moreover, he violated the property rights of the companies whose branded products he fraudulently resold. Keep in mind, a lot of the 'untaxed' cigarettes being sold in port cities like NY are counterfeits of popular brands. Cigarette companies spend millions of dollars on advertising, product development, retail space, etc., yet according to 'libertarians,' it is Mr. Garner's inalienable right to represent himself as a distributor of branded products without the authorization or consent the manufacturers of those product, and he has squatter's rights to a privately-developed commercial venue? AYFKM? You guys need to step back and re-think your premises before you following Rand Paul down this crack-pot rabbit-hole.

First of all, he was suspected of selling said cigarettes.  Secondly how does any corporation have any right to dictate how their customers redistribute property they've given to them without so much as a written contract?  Such an 'informal' agreement would have no standing in court.  Third, the corporation's investments are irrelevant.  Video game companies spend millions on developing video games, but if some people think it's not worth $60 then they have no right to force them to buy at that price.  Top it all off with a strawman argument, he did not deserve to die let alone thrown in jail for his wrong-doing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 07, 2014, 06:32:21 AM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on December 06, 2014, 09:13:59 PM
First of all, he was suspected of selling said cigarettes.  Secondly how does any corporation have any right to dictate how their customers redistribute property they've given to them without so much as a written contract?  Such an 'informal' agreement would have no standing in court.  Third, the corporation's investments are irrelevant.  Video game companies spend millions on developing video games, but if some people think it's not worth $60 then they have no right to force them to buy at that price.  Top it all off with a strawman argument, he did not deserve to die let alone thrown in jail for his wrong-doing.

I guess this guy thinks that yard sales should be illegal.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 07, 2014, 08:10:02 AM
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10389228_808351935898314_4481450899250926175_n.png?oh=0af636ee4d4225665844b7e5df023b23&oe=55072238)

All of that is pretty fail but

>Nonviolence is statist

Since when? Statism requires the use of violence in order to even function.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 07, 2014, 04:25:33 PM
Quote from: D on December 07, 2014, 08:10:02 AM
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10389228_808351935898314_4481450899250926175_n.png?oh=0af636ee4d4225665844b7e5df023b23&oe=55072238)

All of that is pretty fail but

>Nonviolence is statist

Since when? Statism requires the use of violence in order to even function.

I have a feeling that "Statist" is being used in a slightly different context here, as in "non-violence supports those who use force to enforce policies with which I disagree". (It's perfectly fine, apparently, to use force to enforce policies with which I do agree, otherwise I wouldn't be holding this stupid sign on the street in the middle of the night.)

I'd love to hear her explanation on how it's racist, and patriachist, and I'd like to know what the fifth thing is.

How effective it is, I would suppose, depends on what the circumstance is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 08, 2014, 12:47:41 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on December 06, 2014, 09:13:59 PM
This is a comment to Lee Doren's latest video regarding Eric Garner:

First of all, he was suspected of selling said cigarettes.  Secondly how does any corporation have any right to dictate how their customers redistribute property they've given to them without so much as a written contract?  Such an 'informal' agreement would have no standing in court.  Third, the corporation's investments are irrelevant.  Video game companies spend millions on developing video games, but if some people think it's not worth $60 then they have no right to force them to buy at that price.  Top it all off with a strawman argument, he did not deserve to die let alone thrown in jail for his wrong-doing.

It's one of the tragic consequences of government intervention, it turns the citizens against each other because the law abiding ones feel like chumps as the law breakers end up making all the money.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 09, 2014, 06:41:24 PM
[yt]8PgIKAukheo[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 11, 2014, 08:53:45 AM
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10411141_826824064036269_4299025922620530394_n.jpg?oh=63ddba2afa8696015ca604f55bcd7254&oe=5510AFF5)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 11, 2014, 08:59:20 AM
Quote from: D on December 11, 2014, 08:53:45 AM
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10411141_826824064036269_4299025922620530394_n.jpg?oh=63ddba2afa8696015ca604f55bcd7254&oe=5510AFF5)

Wow. Did he make that sign using the XKCD password generator?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 11, 2014, 10:36:06 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10857942_810637802336394_1534748007671968999_n.jpg?oh=41ad94df542a2728ce4994668c3328b3&oe=55169223&__gda__=1426814917_54891d636006d5103f7e21971fe268da)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 11, 2014, 12:56:26 PM
Quote from: D on December 11, 2014, 10:36:06 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10857942_810637802336394_1534748007671968999_n.jpg?oh=41ad94df542a2728ce4994668c3328b3&oe=55169223&__gda__=1426814917_54891d636006d5103f7e21971fe268da)

It would make for a very convenient way to get all the SJW's off the streets.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 11, 2014, 05:40:40 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10406580_829218040455525_7847254610600000152_n.jpg?oh=31977dab2bc69198cfb0f68f641af4f2&oe=550393A1&__gda__=1430748176_c856966897ca0486ac6d99c7e59ac405)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 11, 2014, 08:13:13 PM
I'm glad I never run into statements like that in the wild. Reading these SJW statements, especially all crammed together like that...makes me wonder... how the fuck do these people get through their daily lives? I mean, I'm reasonably sure they have to deal with men or whites or whatever at some point and if you assume "wrong because penis", I can't imagine any conversation you have with ANYONE being very productive.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 11, 2014, 09:00:46 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on December 11, 2014, 08:13:13 PM
I'm glad I never run into statements like that in the wild. Reading these SJW statements, especially all crammed together like that...makes me wonder... how the fuck do these people get through their daily lives? I mean, I'm reasonably sure they have to deal with men or whites or whatever at some point and if you assume "wrong because penis", I can't imagine any conversation you have with ANYONE being very productive.

It's like I once asked on a comment "Do these people talk about ANYTHING else or is it just gender nonsense all day long?  They must be a hit at parties."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on December 11, 2014, 09:19:23 PM
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/04/elizabeth_warren_slams_house_gops_anarchy_gang/

This is almost so fail it's hilarious
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 11, 2014, 10:54:40 PM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on December 11, 2014, 09:19:23 PM
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/04/elizabeth_warren_slams_house_gops_anarchy_gang/

This is almost so fail it's hilarious

Quote"but when was the last time anyone called for regulators to go easier on companies that put lead in children's toys, or for food inspectors to stop checking whether the meat in our grocery store is crawling with deadly bacteria, or for the FDA to ignore whether morning sickness drugs will cause horrible deformities in little babies? We never hear that."

THIS old bit of fear mongerng? How many times have we heard these before again? There HAS to be a Fallacy. I want to say it's appeal to emoton.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on December 11, 2014, 11:45:37 PM
Quote from: tnu on December 11, 2014, 10:54:40 PM
THIS old bit of fear mongerng? How many times have we heard these before again? There HAS to be a Fallacy. I want to say it's appeal to emoton.

Why appeal to incredulity of course!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 12, 2014, 06:16:13 AM
Quote from: tnu on December 11, 2014, 10:54:40 PM
THIS old bit of fear mongerng? How many times have we heard these before again? There HAS to be a Fallacy. I want to say it's appeal to emoton.

How about the old, Government Doesn't Work Fallacy?

"Tests on more than 1,200 children's products, most of them still on store shelves, found that 35 percent contain lead — many with levels far above the federal recall standard used for lead paint."

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22103641/ns/business-consumer_news/t/percent-toys-contain-lead-report-says/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on December 12, 2014, 12:16:48 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/TVJutX9.png)

Oh, so that's why I play video games. Not because they are fun, but because they prevent my urge to rape women. I only have to wonder how civilization managed to survive before video games, what with us ape men just going around raping people left and right. It's a wonder we managed to put a man on the moon! /s
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 12, 2014, 01:39:15 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on December 12, 2014, 12:16:48 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/TVJutX9.png)

wait, so that lady I know--Stephanie--she's a lesbian rapist? I mean, she likes to play video games a lot, so surely this must be so!

(seriously, by this logic ALL players should be rapists in making...and for the record, Stephanie is not a Lesbian, nor a rapist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 12, 2014, 02:36:42 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on December 12, 2014, 01:39:15 PM
wait, so that lady I know--Stephanie--she's a lesbian rapist? I mean, she likes to play video games a lot, so surely this must be so!

(seriously, by this logic ALL players should be rapists in making...and for the record, Stephanie is not a Lesbian, nor a rapist.

But if she were a rapist, she'd have to be a lesbian, because men can't be raped of course.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 12, 2014, 04:58:35 PM
Had to dislike Being Classically Liberal after this post. If the only reason you don't support torture is because it doesn't work, you're an inhuman monster and can kindly fuck off. All of morality may not be black and white, but certain issues are, and fucking torture is one of them.
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/21nlkd3.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 12, 2014, 11:36:12 PM
(https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10849768_746160988801734_2182382350914627197_n.jpg?oh=db0dd2ba46f764f5bb52a170ecd1b1b9&oe=54FCB65D)
And as usual no sources.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 13, 2014, 12:39:58 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 12, 2014, 11:36:12 PM
(https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10849768_746160988801734_2182382350914627197_n.jpg?oh=db0dd2ba46f764f5bb52a170ecd1b1b9&oe=54FCB65D)
And as usual no sources.

it's irrelevent anyways, as we are still not up to where we were before this "recession"...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on December 13, 2014, 05:38:37 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on December 13, 2014, 12:39:58 AM
it's irrelevent anyways, as we are still not up to where we were before this "recession"...

Ohh so in other words jobs occur WITHOUT direction from government!

No shit sherlock!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 13, 2014, 09:02:10 AM
I seriously hope this is satire:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4uZpXLCIAAsWom.jpg)

Sadly, I'm sure it isn't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 13, 2014, 11:01:53 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on December 13, 2014, 05:38:37 AM
Ohh so in other words jobs occur WITHOUT direction from government!

No shit sherlock!

calm down dude--we all know that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 14, 2014, 10:48:16 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B407MibIgAEizqr.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 14, 2014, 12:14:15 PM
Quote from: D on December 14, 2014, 10:48:16 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B407MibIgAEizqr.jpg)
Stay classy feminists...stay classy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on December 14, 2014, 12:46:36 PM
Quote from: D on December 14, 2014, 10:48:16 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B407MibIgAEizqr.jpg)

Can't argue with that (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InsaneTrollLogic)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 15, 2014, 12:37:05 AM
Quote
If the minimum wage increases, it would increase the spending power of the poor and vulnerable, which means more disposable income for everybody, which means more money flowing back through the economy generating more GDP, as if our GDP isn't already high enough.

I did the math. There's enough money in this country to pay every man woman and child a flat rate of $20.78 an hour. We have enough money to pay everyone over the age of 18 $26.82 an hour. Yet the top 1% owns 60% of the wealth, and our median income is $53,046 even though the average income is $69,821. And there are businesses in this country that do make profit while still paying employees very high wages. And countries like Denmark have fast food jobs that pay $20 an hour. And the restaurants there make more money and are more profitable because people have more money to spend.

I don't care what job you have in America. 99 times out of 100, you are not making enough. We have the highest GDP of any country in the world and piss poor wages to show for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 15, 2014, 02:53:56 PM
QuoteI don't care what job you have in America. 99 times out of 100, you are not making enough. We have the highest GDP of any country in the world and piss poor wages to show for it.

so I'm not making enough @ ~60,000 a year as a wellsite Geologist? that's news to me...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 15, 2014, 03:01:33 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on December 15, 2014, 02:53:56 PM
so I'm not making enough @ ~60,000 a year as a wellsite Geologist? that's news to me...

Wow! Can you hire me?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 15, 2014, 04:41:17 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on December 15, 2014, 02:53:56 PM
so I'm not making enough @ ~60,000 a year as a wellsite Geologist? that's news to me...

Kewl!  I'm glad you got a good job in your field.  And the pay can only get better as you advance.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on December 16, 2014, 12:15:57 AM
Sandy Hook victims' families file lawsuit against gun maker (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30484531#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa)

*headdesk*

I should not be surprised by this sort of thing, but GOG the STUPID just HURTS
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 16, 2014, 10:03:14 AM
Wow. Illya Van Hoof in these comments:

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This really takes the cake. I have NEVER seen behavior this immature, even from creationists and moon hoaxers!

EDIT: Wow. First person I've had to block in a LONG time! He just kept flooding my channel with that same link...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 17, 2014, 04:08:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5FFFAhCIAAzuUX.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on December 17, 2014, 04:09:11 PM
Bernie Sander's selective ignorance is on full display right here (http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=106089)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on December 17, 2014, 04:29:33 PM
Oh my god more stupidity:

QuoteRight now the power is in the hands of the people (banks, wall street, corporations) who make MORE money if they can f.uck over poor and middle class people. So that is what is in their best self interest.

So yes, let's give the power to the people in government who don't make more money by hurting the majority. They are incentivized to HELP the majority because then they get votes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 17, 2014, 09:59:53 PM
(https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10846060_747711655313334_964900576495608416_n.png?oh=2b4d64edb1fc46f3c6962056bd709567&oe=553BC862)
Being a bigot while calling others bigots.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 18, 2014, 03:20:30 AM
Someone seriously used this as proof that The Amazing Atheist is a MRA.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/TheAmazingAtheist#Personality_and_viewpoints
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 18, 2014, 10:09:23 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10846040_10152417084016786_7053893021135129392_n.jpg?oh=3ac6d196763df2bc9dd7b5b565f2ba14&oe=55004570&__gda__=1430724901_ef9e0eba9ce71f3e4f486cffe5875252)

If that's the case, then every single human being on the planet has privilege.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 19, 2014, 02:58:21 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10846087_921787264505700_7603180934000883612_n.jpg?oh=222d5eaab340f8e7d5007ead5b9a409a&oe=55066CA7&__gda__=1429765663_8289e7261c58671c2f35c616a9dfdcc7)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 19, 2014, 04:51:27 PM
Quote from: D on December 19, 2014, 02:58:21 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10846087_921787264505700_7603180934000883612_n.jpg?oh=222d5eaab340f8e7d5007ead5b9a409a&oe=55066CA7&__gda__=1429765663_8289e7261c58671c2f35c616a9dfdcc7)
Please tell me that is satire.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 19, 2014, 04:51:54 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 19, 2014, 04:51:27 PM
Please tell me that is satire.

It isn't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on December 19, 2014, 06:28:39 PM
Quote from: D on December 19, 2014, 02:58:21 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10846087_921787264505700_7603180934000883612_n.jpg?oh=222d5eaab340f8e7d5007ead5b9a409a&oe=55066CA7&__gda__=1429765663_8289e7261c58671c2f35c616a9dfdcc7)
citation needed
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 19, 2014, 06:52:34 PM
Quote from: D on December 19, 2014, 04:51:54 PM
It isn't.
Someone, shoot in the Head! Borderlands 2 style!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 19, 2014, 09:23:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/user/PrimalEdgeHealth
I'm subbed to this guy on YouTube.  The good: he interviewed Menno Henselmans and it was awesome.  The bad, he's an anti-GMO/raw milk/organic food/grass fed is better cuz of teh hormones making cows sick and it's bad nutbar:  https://www.facebook.com/PrimalEdgeHealthShow/posts/389403704552628
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 20, 2014, 06:52:32 AM
Folks, DO NOT READ THIS ONE ALONE. Use the buddy system: have someone in the room with you to stop you jabbing a pencil into your brain before you even finish #3:

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/4-things-that-are-hurting-your-wife-and-killing-your-marriage/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 20, 2014, 07:25:49 AM
Quote from: D on December 18, 2014, 10:09:23 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10846040_10152417084016786_7053893021135129392_n.jpg?oh=3ac6d196763df2bc9dd7b5b565f2ba14&oe=55004570&__gda__=1430724901_ef9e0eba9ce71f3e4f486cffe5875252)

If that's the case, then every single human being on the planet has privilege.

You mean like the statists of convenience who haven't been inconvenienced too much by the state and thus don't see what all the fuss is about?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 20, 2014, 07:25:59 PM
Conspiracy Theories Are Good For Libertarianism (http://christophercantwell.com/2014/05/05/conspiracy-theories-good-libertarianism/) - Chris Cantwell
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 20, 2014, 09:22:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5WFB67CEAAV65O.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on December 20, 2014, 10:09:08 PM
Quote from: D on December 20, 2014, 09:22:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5WFB67CEAAV65O.jpg)

What the fuck are you babbling about?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 20, 2014, 11:50:57 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on December 20, 2014, 10:09:08 PM
What the fuck are you babbling about?

An excellent question, given that Eric Garner appears to most likely have died of a heart attack (which is far more consistent with his repeated "I can't breath" comments than a brief sleeper hold, which is NOT a choke hold, it uses a completely different, much faster, and much SAFER mechanism for controlling the target).  Why did he have a heart attack?  Well, he was older, out of shape, overweight, and extremely stressed both before and during his attempt to resist arrest.  He was being arrested on suspicion of selling contraband cigarettes, which he had been convicted of several times already, and apparently had been (falsely, it appears, as he didn't have any with him) reported doing that day.

So, it looks like the police didn't do anything wrong within their own context of enforcing the existing laws.  Eric Garner died not because of the police, but because of the politicians at the level of both the state and city of New York imposing taxes on tobacco such that it is possible to make large amounts of money bringing in cigarettes from some other states and reselling them. (We have the same thing in Canada, BTW, but up here it's often Mohawks, who can buy tobacco tax free in the US part of one Reserve and get it into Canada through the Canadian part of the same Reserve, which has no meaningful border controls within it.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 21, 2014, 02:05:36 AM
[yt]ArEy5U4es7Y[/yt]

He's at it again. This time parroting the same "Cult" nonsense.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 21, 2014, 07:30:11 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on December 20, 2014, 11:50:57 PMEric Garner died not because of the police, but because of the politicians at the level of both the state and city of New York imposing taxes on tobacco such that it is possible to make large amounts of money bringing in cigarettes from some other states and reselling them.

Wasn't that very argument rejected at the Nuremberg trials?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 21, 2014, 07:57:15 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on December 20, 2014, 11:50:57 PM
Eric Garner died not because of the police, but because of the politicians at the level of both the state and city of New York imposing taxes on tobacco such that it is possible to make large amounts of money bringing in cigarettes from some other states and reselling them.

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Seriously, while it's true that the police never would have bothered Garner were it not for the cigarette taxes in the first place, the fact remains that had the cop not put him in a choke hold, which it blatantly was, then none of this would have happened.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 21, 2014, 08:32:58 AM
Quote from: D on December 21, 2014, 07:57:15 AM
Seriously, while it's true that the police never would have bothered Garner were it not for the cigarette taxes in the first place, the fact remains that had the cop not put him in a choke hold, which it blatantly was, then none of this would have happened.

Are you aware of ANYONE COMPETENT who looked at the video and mistook a sleeper hold for a choke hold?  They are very different, and only resemble each other superficially.  The fact that he kept saying he couldn't breath (a COMMON symptom of heart attacks is the feeling of being unable to breath) well after he was released, despite there being no injury to his airway that could be found, suggests a heart attack as the cause of death, not any interference with his ability to breath, which he clearly could do since he was still TALKING.

Quote from: MrBogosity on December 21, 2014, 07:30:11 AM
Wasn't that very argument rejected at the Nuremberg trials?

You're going to have to make a relevant claim before I'm not going to laugh at you for not making a relevant claim.

It isn't the fault of police if you suffer a heart attack while resisting arrest.  Under the rules police have to operate under, they were correct to be arresting him.  That puts all blame on the people making the rules, the state and local politicians in New York.

It isn't like they shot him, then tazered him repeatedly (as happened in Toronto some time back).  Police who are arresting people for violating bad laws aren't the ones doing something wrong, the lawmakers are.

Most cops want to make their communities better, which is why they become cops in the first place.  That's why most cops who are forced to kill someone in the line of duty never really recover from it (and why ones like the London Special Branch cop who panicked and gunned down that Brazilian electrician in the summer of 2005 are so scary, since he was not only back on the job but killed someone else before the INVESTIGATION was even over).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 21, 2014, 09:27:22 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on December 21, 2014, 08:32:58 AM
Are you aware of ANYONE COMPETENT who looked at the video and mistook a sleeper hold for a choke hold?

The coroner, who ruled it a homicide and disagrees with basically everything you said about it?

QuoteIt isn't the fault of police if you suffer a heart attack while resisting arrest.

How was he resisting?

QuoteUnder the rules police have to operate under, they were correct to be arresting him.  That puts all blame on the people making the rules, the state and local politicians in New York.

Yes, the police were "only following orders."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 21, 2014, 10:10:34 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 21, 2014, 09:27:22 AM
The coroner, who ruled it a homicide and disagrees with basically everything you said about it?

How was he resisting?

Yes, the police were "only following orders."

So, you know nothing about the case, and just want to make up stuff for no particular reason so you can invent wrongdoing by police who were only doing COMPLETELY LEGAL ACTIONS against a person who they had reasonable grounds to believe was currently violating that law as it stands.

Seriously, I'm not going to just take your word for it that ANYONE found the injuries you claim.  All 'homicide' means is that a person who wasn't him was the proximate cause of his demise (as opposed to suicide, where he would have been, or natural causes, where it was something else).

Not being aware that he was resisting is just you being ignorant about the case.  It would be like pretending that you thought Michael Brown wasn't actively attacking the cop who shot him: The OPPOSITE of an argument.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 21, 2014, 10:57:21 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on December 21, 2014, 10:10:34 AM
So, you know nothing about the case, and just want to make up stuff for no particular reason

Wow, going back to woo mode, huh?

http://time.com/3071288/eric-garner-chokehold-death-nypd-medical-examiner/

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/medical-examiner-says-chokehold-police-officer-caused-death-nyc-man-ruled-homicide

QuoteMedical examiner spokeswoman Julie Bolcer said that the death was caused by "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," and that asthma and heart disease also played a role.

This goes COMPLETELY against what you said.

QuoteSeriously, I'm not going to just take your word for it that ANYONE found the injuries you claim.

I'm sorry; I expected you to actually RESEARCH it, at least so much as finding out what the medical examiner said, especially before accusing ME of knowing nothing about the case and making stuff up!

QuoteAll 'homicide' means is that a person who wasn't him was the proximate cause of his demise

The homicide ruling means that the policeman was responsible for his death. THAT is what "homicide" means, so stop with the shenanigans.

Quote(as opposed to suicide, where he would have been, or natural causes, where it was something else).

And you were trying to make it out to be natural causes.

QuoteNot being aware that he was resisting is just you being ignorant about the case.

No, IDIOT. I saw the video. YOU are claiming he was resisting. YOU need to back it up. He wasn't complying, but noncompliance is NOT the same thing as resisting.

Stop behaving like a fucking creationist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 21, 2014, 12:47:05 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 21, 2014, 10:57:21 AM
Wow, going back to woo mode, huh?

http://time.com/3071288/eric-garner-chokehold-death-nypd-medical-examiner/

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/medical-examiner-says-chokehold-police-officer-caused-death-nyc-man-ruled-homicide

This goes COMPLETELY against what you said.

I suppose you might think that if you hadn't actually READ them.  The first says his health was a contributing factor, and the second dates from BEFORE the autopsy report, so it isn't even relevant.

And now, to prevent further foolishness from you,

http://nypost.com/2014/07/19/man-in-chokehold-death-had-no-throat-damage-autopsy/

No throat damage, and a verdict of 'homicide' is consistent with the 'choke hold' (which, according to this, didn't significantly injure him) being just too much for him to handle on top of everything else.

Quote from: MrBogosity on December 21, 2014, 10:57:21 AM
I'm sorry; I expected you to actually RESEARCH it, at least so much as finding out what the medical examiner said, especially before accusing ME of knowing nothing about the case and making stuff up!

The homicide ruling means that the policeman was responsible for his death. THAT is what "homicide" means, so stop with the shenanigans.

And you were trying to make it out to be natural causes.

A heart attack induced by the actions of another person qualifies as a 'homicide' for this purpose.  The fact that he's still TALKING afterwards shows he wasn't having a serious problem ventilating after the 'choke hold'.

Quote from: MrBogosity on December 21, 2014, 10:57:21 AM
No, IDIOT. I saw the video. YOU are claiming he was resisting. YOU need to back it up. He wasn't complying, but noncompliance is NOT the same thing as resisting.

Stop behaving like a fucking creationist.

Projecting much?  The video shows him trying to resist, after having stated he was going to resist.

Now, here's a video by two guys who (claim to be, anyway) unarmed combat instructors that what are called 'blood chokes' are both safe and effective when properly applied and used, and point out (AGAIN) that Garner had chronic health problems, and that his asthma may have hit him under stress, leading to his cardiac arrest shortly afterwards.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 21, 2014, 03:08:18 PM
https://www.facebook.com/BioLayne/posts/10104451495993160?pnref=story
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 21, 2014, 04:15:16 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on December 21, 2014, 12:47:05 PM
No throat damage, and a verdict of 'homicide' is consistent with the 'choke hold' (which, according to this, didn't significantly injure him) being just too much for him to handle on top of everything else.

And now you're backpedalling even further. The coroner said that the choke hold is what killed him. Yes, other factors CONTRIBUTED to it, but THAT WASN'T WHAT YOU SAID SO STOP LYING! It was the choke hold, plus the compression on his chest, both caused by the police officers, that killed him.

QuoteProjecting much?  The video shows him trying to resist, after having stated he was going to resist.

Point out where or STFU.

Skipping the Argument from Authority Fallacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 22, 2014, 05:22:12 AM
From Shane's new feed.
https://www.facebook.com/shanedk/posts/10152611305383131?comment_id=10152611831673131&offset=0&total_comments=18&notif_t=share_reply
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 24, 2014, 07:37:53 AM
Arrrgh.

Seems like every week now the Atheist Experience guys do ONE thing that's cringe-worthy. This week (12-21-14), Russell took on a caller about feminism and the patriarchy (and once again the caller was ill-equipped to deal with his bogosity). For example, Russell kept harping on about the fact that 20% of Senators were women.

Forgiving why he initially went with that particular statistic (and he did it a bit later with Fortune 500 CEOs specifically), remember the vital question in statistics: COMPARED TO WHAT???

Russell seems to think that all he has to do is compare this 20% to the ~50% of the population that women make up. The caller feebly tried to point out that 54% of voters were women, but Russell was having none of that.

The proper comparison, of course, is to how many female candidates voters were given the CHOICE of voting for: of all the people who registered and paid the filing fee for US Senate, who went to the primaries and thus represent the pool of people voters had to choose from, how many of THEM were women? If you don't know that, YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT! If 20% of that group are women, then OF COURSE 20% of Senators are going to be women!

You can always go and find the statistic that APPEARS to support whatever you want. There are PLENTY of professions where women are OVER-represented! If you don't ask the question of what is most appropriate to compare it to, you have no chance at getting at the truth. And if you're starting with your conclusion, it can be VERY difficult to listen to problems with your statistics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 24, 2014, 08:27:17 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 24, 2014, 07:37:53 AM
Arrrgh.

Seems like every week now the Atheist Experience guys do ONE thing that's cringe-worthy. This week (12-21-14), Russell took on a caller about feminism and the patriarchy (and once again the caller was ill-equipped to deal with his bogosity). For example, Russell kept harping on about the fact that 20% of Senators were women.

Forgiving why he initially went with that particular statistic (and he did it a bit later with Fortune 500 CEOs specifically), remember the vital question in statistics: COMPARED TO WHAT???

Russell seems to think that all he has to do is compare this 20% to the ~50% of the population that women make up. The caller feebly tried to point out that 54% of voters were women, but Russell was having none of that.

The proper comparison, of course, is to how many female candidates voters were given the CHOICE of voting for: of all the people who registered and paid the filing fee for US Senate, who went to the primaries and thus represent the pool of people voters had to choose from, how many of THEM were women? If you don't know that, YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT! If 20% of that group are women, then OF COURSE 20% of Senators are going to be women!

You can always go and find the statistic that APPEARS to support whatever you want. There are PLENTY of professions where women are OVER-represented! If you don't ask the question of what is most appropriate to compare it to, you have no chance at getting at the truth. And if you're starting with your conclusion, it can be VERY difficult to listen to problems with your statistics.
While they no doubt spent their time self congratulating how they're better than the creationists and theists...that do the exact same thing with their pet gris-gris.  Oh, what a blind eye we turn when it's OUR pet bogosity being peddled, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 24, 2014, 08:58:29 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on December 24, 2014, 08:27:17 AM
While they no doubt spent their time self congratulating how they're better than the creationists and theists...that do the exact same thing with their pet gris-gris.  Oh, what a blind eye we turn when it's OUR pet bogosity being peddled, right?

In this case, I can understand it more, since statistics is really difficult and it's so easy to engage in confirmation bias. But that's all the more reason we need to be on our skeptical toes when dealing with statistics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 24, 2014, 09:43:49 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 24, 2014, 08:58:29 AM
In this case, I can understand it more, since statistics is really difficult and it's so easy to engage in confirmation bias. But that's all the more reason we need to be on our skeptical toes when dealing with statistics.

As an alien might observe, "Humans have a saying for EVERYTHING!"  The applicable saying here is, "Figures don't lie, but liars figure."

OK, so 20% of US Senators are women.  What does it MEAN that 20% of Us Senators are women is the important part.  If 20% of the CANDIDATES are women, then it may mean that the voters have no strong net preference one way or the other about the gender of the candidates.  If only 10% of candidates are women, then women may be being substantially preferred, and of 40% of candidates are women then women may be substantially disliked.  Of course, that doesn't follow without a great deal of further checking, as Canada can show quite well.  The NDP in particular has had a notorious practice of requiring half their candidates standing for election to be female.  They also have notoriously tended to put the female candidates forward preferentially in the Ridings where they do not expect to win.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 24, 2014, 05:03:06 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5nnGCuCMAAGru8.png:large  Don't you love people who think they can get away with such blatant lies?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 24, 2014, 08:10:34 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on December 24, 2014, 05:03:06 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5nnGCuCMAAGru8.png:large  Don't you love people who think they can get away with such blatant lies?

Plus, the irony of slinging hate-filled language at a group you deem to be full of haters.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 24, 2014, 08:49:27 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 24, 2014, 08:10:34 PM
Plus, the irony of slinging hate-filled language at a group you deem to be full of haters.

It's the funniest thing since RIAA (who shouldn't even have standing, since it doesn't own any copyrights itself) tried to sue somebody for more money than there was at the time.  (Given the massive volumes of currency being dumped into the banking system in the last few years is so many countries, there might be that much money now.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on December 25, 2014, 04:46:16 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 26, 2014, 02:10:48 PM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on December 25, 2014, 04:46:16 PM
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I hope they enjoy 30-30 caliber.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 26, 2014, 02:16:11 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on December 26, 2014, 02:10:48 PM
I hope they enjoy 30-30 caliber.
Or (knowing you) a longsword up the ass.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on December 26, 2014, 10:22:54 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on December 26, 2014, 02:16:11 PM
Or (knowing you) a longsword up the ass.
With a twisting motion upon entry.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on December 27, 2014, 05:14:33 PM
Chris Rock thanks Obama for Propaganda. (https://twitter.com/ozchrisrock/status/548915477301702656)

(http://i.imgur.com/cRLLjJV.png?1)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on December 27, 2014, 10:40:21 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on December 27, 2014, 05:14:33 PM
Chris Rock thanks Obama for Propaganda. (https://twitter.com/ozchrisrock/status/548915477301702656)

(http://i.imgur.com/cRLLjJV.png?1)

1. Wasn't that because of fracking?
2. Again, that was do to market interactions that happened in spite of what the president did
3. So the rate of spending was cut to slightly less? I'll give him that, whoop-de-shit
4. Redundant and refer to 2
5. Refer to 2 again
6. We have to buy insurance or else we'll get fined, that oughta stick it to those corporations
7. And how did that solve our terrorism problem?
8. Kudos I guess
9. Deporting people who are just looking for opportunities? Classy
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 27, 2014, 11:51:02 PM
This entire radio program on CBC.

http://www.cbc.ca/thisisthat/ (http://www.cbc.ca/thisisthat/)

Itis purported to be a comedy show, but has a fatal flaw:  It isn't funny.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 28, 2014, 04:56:04 PM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on December 27, 2014, 10:40:21 PM
1. Wasn't that because of fracking?
2. Again, that was do to market interactions that happened in spite of what the president did
3. So the rate of spending was cut to slightly less? I'll give him that, whoop-de-shit
4. Redundant and refer to 2
5. Refer to 2 again
6. We have to buy insurance or else we'll get fined, that oughta stick it to those corporations
7. And how did that solve our terrorism problem?
8. Kudos I guess
9. Deporting people who are just looking for opportunities? Classy

1.yes and no: frankly, it helps, but fundamentally it is simply that production has outstripped sagging demand (caused by the recession). Most of the Oil wells I worked on were verticals anyways. One thing about fracking people forget: it is ridiculously expensive. Just to get the CO2 costs hundereds of thousands (it's used in some fracking operations). the wells I worked on in fact were to extract CO2 for fracking, and each well costs 100-300 grand. One hole cost the company 1.3-1.5 million dollars. So it can take years for the effects to show up, and in fact oil prices are semi-cyclical in nature (so every few years, it will drop, then recover, go up, stay up, then go at it again: this is taking account into inflation).
2. and it really hasn't recovered to pre-recession levels anyhow. same for jobs.


nothing to add to the rest.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 29, 2014, 09:07:02 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on December 29, 2014, 09:24:06 AM
Quote from: tnu on December 29, 2014, 09:07:02 AM
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Ugh, this point has been long refuted with sheer logic.

Whoever ends up finding the cure for cancer is SET FOR LIFE financially. Not only will you get people buying the cure en masse but you'll be financially secure thanks to book deals, potential movie deals, seminar deals, interview deals, so on and so forth. With all that publicity over something that monumental, you could easily become a millionaire if not a billionaire provided you know what you're doing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 29, 2014, 12:45:04 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 29, 2014, 02:09:11 PM
Quote from: tnu on December 29, 2014, 12:45:04 PM
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If no country in the world has ever done it, then how do they know what actually happens? This is the biggest problem I have with that argument.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 29, 2014, 03:30:00 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on December 29, 2014, 02:09:11 PM
If no country in the world has ever done it, then how do they know what actually happens? This is the biggest problem I have with that argument.

Cause they had a feels and feels totally are a substitute for logic and evidence.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on December 30, 2014, 02:20:33 AM
What is being referred to when they say "we know what happens" is the "letting companies do what they want" part. It's a reference to how (it is claimed) businesses were run prior to all the safety/wage/hour/age blah-de-blah else regulations were put in place.  What we "know" happens is: everybody works for *can't possibly-live-wage, children are the main income for their families, everybody works from the moment their eyes crack open in the morning until they fall down asleep at their pick axe, and so forth..."

Just because there's only a few anecdotal stories about that actually happening, and even those usually end with the company finding itself without a labor force, and thus out of business, is not in any way a refutation of the power of the omnipotent state!*

*read in sarcastic voice.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on December 31, 2014, 08:48:01 AM
http://listverse.com/2014/12/31/10-absurd-stories-discarded-by-the-new-star-wars-movie/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on January 01, 2015, 11:27:21 AM
Molyneux putting his foot in his mouth again. He told a caller Eric Garner selling "loosie" cigarettes isn't a victimless crime. The victim you ask? Stores that pay taxes.

"If there was no victim, why was anyone calling about this"

Caller calls in at 18:50 in the video

[yt]YAVmImxy_6I[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 01, 2015, 12:31:09 PM
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on January 01, 2015, 11:27:21 AM
Molyneux putting his foot in his mouth again. He told a caller Eric Garner selling "loosie" cigarettes isn't a victimless crime. The victim you ask? Stores that pay taxes.

"If there was no victim, why was anyone calling about this"

Caller calls in at 18:50 in the video

[yt]YAVmImxy_6I[/yt]

They're victims of the state, not Eric Garner.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 01, 2015, 02:13:37 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 01, 2015, 12:31:09 PM
They're victims of the state, not Eric Garner.

Stefan also blames Garner.

When the caller points out that they're victims of the state, Stefan says, and I quote:
"Yeah, yeah I get that, but they can't do anything about that. Right? I mean they can't do anything about cigarette taxes, but they can get the guy who is undercutting them and taking away their business off the sidewalk that their taxes pay for. I'm just talking about this within the context of the situation, but saying, 'Oh well he was selling cigarettes, there was no victim,' well there was. Because if there was no victim. why was anyone calling about this? If I go for a stroll in the woods, there's no victim right? And so nobody goes 'COPS CALL GUY IN THE WOODS' right? I mean, somebody was bothered by what he was doing and somebody felt, and I guess a number of people felt that his presence was negatively impacting their lives in some manner, in a significant enough manner to call the police. And so whether or not he was bothering their customers and the customers weren't going in or whether he was selling cigarettes or whether he was intimidating people, I don't know because there's no footage from before the incident but clearly there was enough of an incident and a repetitive enough of an incident that was harming people's perceived self-interests that they were willing to call the cops. Well, then there is. There ARE victims within the context of the situation and they can't change the cigarette tax law, but they can get a guy who, because he's not obeying the law, is able to undercut them off the street."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 01, 2015, 03:23:35 PM
Quote from: D on January 01, 2015, 02:13:37 PM
Stefan also blames Garner.

When the caller points out that they're victims of the state, Stefan says, and I quote:
"Yeah, yeah I get that, but they can't do anything about that. Right? I mean they can't do anything about cigarette taxes, but they can get the guy who is undercutting them and taking away their business off the sidewalk that their taxes pay for. I'm just talking about this within the context of the situation, but saying, 'Oh well he was selling cigarettes, there was no victim,' well there was. Because if there was no victim. why was anyone calling about this? If I go for a stroll in the woods, there's no victim right? And so nobody goes 'COPS CALL GUY IN THE WOODS' right? I mean, somebody was bothered by what he was doing and somebody felt, and I guess a number of people felt that his presence was negatively impacting their lives in some manner, in a significant enough manner to call the police. And so whether or not he was bothering their customers and the customers weren't going in or whether he was selling cigarettes or whether he was intimidating people, I don't know because there's no footage from before the incident but clearly there was enough of an incident and a repetitive enough of an incident that was harming people's perceived self-interests that they were willing to call the cops. Well, then there is. There ARE victims within the context of the situation and they can't change the cigarette tax law, but they can get a guy who, because he's not obeying the law, is able to undercut them off the street."
Because apparently feels and triggers matter more than objective crime, etc.  Yeah.  #SorryNotSorry
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 01, 2015, 03:33:30 PM
Quote from: D on January 01, 2015, 02:13:37 PM
Stefan also blames Garner.

When the caller points out that they're victims of the state, Stefan says, and I quote:
"Yeah, yeah I get that, but they can't do anything about that. Right? I mean they can't do anything about cigarette taxes, but they can get the guy who is undercutting them and taking away their business off the sidewalk that their taxes pay for. I'm just talking about this within the context of the situation, but saying, 'Oh well he was selling cigarettes, there was no victim,' well there was. Because if there was no victim. why was anyone calling about this? If I go for a stroll in the woods, there's no victim right? And so nobody goes 'COPS CALL GUY IN THE WOODS' right? I mean, somebody was bothered by what he was doing and somebody felt, and I guess a number of people felt that his presence was negatively impacting their lives in some manner, in a significant enough manner to call the police. And so whether or not he was bothering their customers and the customers weren't going in or whether he was selling cigarettes or whether he was intimidating people, I don't know because there's no footage from before the incident but clearly there was enough of an incident and a repetitive enough of an incident that was harming people's perceived self-interests that they were willing to call the cops. Well, then there is. There ARE victims within the context of the situation and they can't change the cigarette tax law, but they can get a guy who, because he's not obeying the law, is able to undercut them off the street."

Even if I were to accept that, it would still be the state who initiated the force, and therefore hold responsibility for everything that happened as a result.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 01, 2015, 04:07:08 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 01, 2015, 03:33:30 PM
Even if I were to accept that, it would still be the state who initiated the force, and therefore hold responsibility for everything that happened as a result.

Well according to the Moleman that's apparently okay because those store owners are following the law so you better follow too or else you're a criminal scumbag who is victimizing everyone else.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 01, 2015, 05:50:08 PM
God damn. First fucking day and we may already have an Idiot of the Year (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=666168133475928&fref=nf)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 01, 2015, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: D on January 01, 2015, 05:50:08 PM
God damn. First fucking day and we may already have an Idiot of the Year (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=666168133475928&fref=nf)

"The world is like 2014 years old". No, I invented it last Turdas. And then I cast a mass illusion spell to make everyone think there was 50,000 years worth of civilization. Except those I made think there was 6,000 years worth of civilization. Except those among those....

Back to the Shivering Isles, the stupid on your planet is to much.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 02, 2015, 08:16:01 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 01, 2015, 10:44:16 PM
"The world is like 2014 years old". No, I invented it last Turdas. And then I cast a mass illusion spell to make everyone think there was 50,000 years worth of civilization. Except those I made think there was 6,000 years worth of civilization. Except those among those....

Back to the Shivering Isles, the stupid on your planet is to much.

And not one word about "Pray to the Presidents"???
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 02, 2015, 11:24:41 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 02, 2015, 11:36:18 AM
https://www.facebook.com/huginnsheathenhof/photos/a.298193070330495.1073741832.287819511367851/294752770674525/?type=1
Gotta love liberal furries.
I honestly don't see the problem here...in either one.
Like...at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on January 02, 2015, 05:56:36 PM
(http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/paul-krugman-demotivational.jpg)

I would say that the key word there is "trying"--but freak it! The Christmas Tree (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGLJMJLgyP0) does a better job of trying to be a Christmas special than Krugman does trying to be a rational economist. Burn!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 02, 2015, 06:11:48 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 01, 2015, 03:23:35 PM
Because apparently feels and triggers matter more than objective crime, etc.  Yeah.  #SorryNotSorry

That's not what he said at all.  He said that the store owners are just making the best of an immoral situation.  The state is ultimately responsible for it but what are they supposed to do about it?  They DO have families to feed too remember.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 02, 2015, 06:35:49 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 02, 2015, 06:11:48 PM
That's not what he said at all.  He said that the store owners are just making the best of an immoral situation.  The state is ultimately responsible for it but what are they supposed to do about it?  They DO have families to feed too remember.

Unless they lobbied for the tax. Then fuck 'em.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 02, 2015, 07:27:47 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 02, 2015, 06:11:48 PM
That's not what he said at all.  He said that the store owners are just making the best of an immoral situation.  The state is ultimately responsible for it but what are they supposed to do about it?  They DO have families to feed too remember.

So does the guy selling loosies. What's the point?

Also, let's not act like a guy selling loose cigs for barely anything is somehow taking food out of their mouths. Have you met the kind of people that buy loosies? They're the type of people who wouldn't have been able to get a whole pack of cigarettes at the time so the stores still wouldn't be getting that money. In reality, they're not losing anything and the people who are buying the cheaper loose cigarettes are getting what they want. The store owners will still make money selling the packs of cigarettes.

Also, how come we get pissed when a kid has his lemonade stand shut down for not having a license and paying taxes but suddenly excuses are made when we have this particular subject? After all, stores that sell lemonade have families to feed and kids selling lemonade must be getting in on their turf right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 02, 2015, 08:41:25 PM
Quote from: D on January 02, 2015, 07:27:47 PM
Also, how come we get pissed when a kid has his lemonade stand shut down for not having a license and paying taxes but suddenly excuses are made when we have this particular subject? After all, stores that sell lemonade have families to feed and kids selling lemonade must be getting in on their turf right?

Because they weren't eating off anyone's plate.  That was just some busybody with an axe to grind.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 02, 2015, 08:57:22 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 02, 2015, 08:41:25 PM
Because they weren't eating off anyone's plate.  That was just some busybody with an axe to grind.

Oh come on. Garner was eating off of someone else's plate to the same extent a kid selling lemonade on the corner is. The only difference is Garner was killed for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 02, 2015, 09:14:37 PM
There is the kid whose family was made homeless when they shut down his hotdog stand.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 02, 2015, 10:12:47 PM
Quote from: D on January 02, 2015, 08:57:22 PM
Oh come on. Garner was eating off of someone else's plate to the same extent a kid selling lemonade on the corner is. The only difference is Garner was killed for it.

No, he was killed by medical complications that arose after being taken down for resisting arrest.

And we DID get pissed about Garner's death.  But the fact remains, he knew he was provoking a dangerous and violent group by his actions and he did it anyway.  Like I said elsewhere, if I flip off a biker gang, do I "deserve" to get the shit beat out of me?  Well it's likely to happen, whether I deserve it is really quite irrelevant.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 02, 2015, 11:03:54 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 02, 2015, 10:12:47 PM
No, he was killed by medical complications that arose after being taken down for resisting arrest.

Yeah, complications that never would have happened if they never touched him and never bothered him. Point still stands that they killed him. They instigated those complications.

QuoteAnd we DID get pissed about Garner's death.  But the fact remains, he knew he was provoking a dangerous and violent group by his actions and he did it anyway.  Like I said elsewhere, if I flip off a biker gang, do I "deserve" to get the shit beat out of me?  Well it's likely to happen, whether I deserve it is really quite irrelevant.

>And we DID get pissed about Garner's death

And then they started making excuses as to why Garner somehow got what he had coming. The fact is, he didn't deserve that because he did nothing wrong. He was acting in peaceful trade that hurt NO ONE. People can make all the excuses they want, but the fact is, the loose cigarettes he was selling did not "take the food off of their plates." All the arguments against Garner hurting those business could be said about people selling used games. What Garner does with his own cigarettes is his own business.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 03, 2015, 09:12:04 AM
Quote from: D on January 02, 2015, 11:03:54 PMAnd then they started making excuses as to why Garner somehow got what he had coming. The fact is, he didn't deserve that because he did nothing wrong. He was acting in peaceful trade that hurt NO ONE. People can make all the excuses they want, but the fact is, the loose cigarettes he was selling did not "take the food off of their plates." All the arguments against Garner hurting those business could be said about people selling used games. What Garner does with his own cigarettes is his own business.

The point that needs to be taken from all of this is, THIS is government. No matter how peaceful you think your government policy is, no matter how much you think it's "fair," this is the face of it. Eric Garner was killed because of taxation, plain and simple. Those who deny that taxation is force have nowhere to go now. The cops are directly responsible for his death, and EVERY government entity charged with reviewing the situation says that they acted properly. This wasn't rogue cops, this wasn't a mistake, this wasn't the system being corrupt. This is what the system IS.

Anything else is a distraction from that vital point.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 03, 2015, 11:45:25 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 03, 2015, 09:12:04 AM
The point that needs to be taken from all of this is, THIS is government. No matter how peaceful you think your government policy is, no matter how much you think it's "fair," this is the face of it. Eric Garner was killed because of taxation, plain and simple. Those who deny that taxation is force have nowhere to go now. The cops are directly responsible for his death, and EVERY government entity charged with reviewing the situation says that they acted properly. This wasn't rogue cops, this wasn't a mistake, this wasn't the system being corrupt. This is what the system IS.

Anything else is a distraction from that vital point.
*Standing ovation* Indeed.  So no more "bad apples" crap.  It's like that picture that I can't for the life of me find, showing cops beating college protesters.  There was an arrow pointing at the protesters saying "wants more government" and an arrow pointing at the cops saying, "more government."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 03, 2015, 11:57:35 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 03, 2015, 09:12:04 AM
The point that needs to be taken from all of this is, THIS is government. No matter how peaceful you think your government policy is, no matter how much you think it's "fair," this is the face of it. Eric Garner was killed because of taxation, plain and simple. Those who deny that taxation is force have nowhere to go now. The cops are directly responsible for his death, and EVERY government entity charged with reviewing the situation says that they acted properly. This wasn't rogue cops, this wasn't a mistake, this wasn't the system being corrupt. This is what the system IS.

Anything else is a distraction from that vital point.

^This. Let's stop making excuses for cops. What they did was not okay and no amount of excuse making will ever make it so. Garner is a victim in that situation and nothing less.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on January 04, 2015, 12:32:13 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/YbKvz6G.png)

Because banning people from practicing religion has worked out so well in the past. Just ask the Catholic Church about how well their Inquisition went.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 04, 2015, 08:25:10 AM
Quote from: D on January 02, 2015, 11:03:54 PM
Yeah, complications that never would have happened if they never touched him and never bothered him. Point still stands that they killed him. They instigated those complications.

>And we DID get pissed about Garner's death

And then they started making excuses as to why Garner somehow got what he had coming. The fact is, he didn't deserve that because he did nothing wrong.

You're making emotionally fueled statements again.  Kindly stop.

He said what Eric did was foolish, and it was.  Plus he'd been in trouble for resisting arrest before so he knew it was foolish.

Quote
^This. Let's stop making excuses for cops. What they did was not okay and no amount of excuse making will ever make it so. Garner is a victim in that situation and nothing less.

That WAS his point if you'd have fully listened to the vid.  I know they're long and I completely understand if some people don't want to hear it all but if you don't, then please don't comment and don't post statements based off here say you heard from other people.

It doesn't matter that he wasn't hurting anyone.  The lesson was simply an appeal to your own safety.  The police are dangerous, do NOT provoke them no matter how right you actually are.  They don't care and making yourself a martyr is not going to help anyone.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 04, 2015, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 04, 2015, 08:25:10 AM
You're making emotionally fueled statements again.  Kindly stop.

He said what Eric did was foolish, and it was.  Plus he'd been in trouble for resisting arrest before so he knew it was foolish.

How is pointing out the fact he wouldn't have died if the cops never touched him an emotional argument?

He also said that Eric Garner made victims of store owners by selling loose cigarettes, which is a completely bullshit statement.

QuoteThat WAS his point if you'd have fully listened to the vid.  I know they're long and I completely understand if some people don't want to hear it all but if you don't, then please don't comment and don't post statements based off here say you heard from other people.

Really? I directly quoted the guy and you're saying I'm going by what other people said? What next, you're going to tell me I took it out of context? Sure, he half-ass agreed with the guy at first saying government taxes are a part of the problem, but was quick to point out how what Garner did wasn't a victimless crime, trying to put blame on Garner himself. Again, I'll point out that the people who buy loose cigarettes are people who weren't going to buy that pack of cigarettes in the first place. Those store owners were victims of nobody and on that point Stefan is 100% incorrect.

QuoteIt doesn't matter that he wasn't hurting anyone.  The lesson was simply an appeal to your own safety.  The police are dangerous, do NOT provoke them no matter how right you actually are.  They don't care and making yourself a martyr is not going to help anyone.

I know Garner wasn't doing this, but if appeals to safety are what we're all about, then I guess people should never act in any form of civil disobedience ever again. They might kill you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 04, 2015, 06:17:51 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on January 04, 2015, 12:32:13 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/YbKvz6G.png)

Because banning people from practicing religion has worked out so well in the past. Just ask the Catholic Church about how well their Inquisition went.

funny, my memory of what was said in religion class didn't involve much hate...even my notes, read over  decade later, doesn't come across as Hateful or evil. It is a lot like Christianity (as far as I'm aware), only stripped down (point being, if Islam has no place on his shitty little island, neither does Christianity).

well, either way, banning people from practicing any religion is stupid--whether it's the inquisition, the mihna (where Muslims persecuted Muslims over whether the Qur'an was created or not), or the test act passed by his people.


Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 04, 2015, 06:54:35 PM
Quote from: D on January 04, 2015, 12:23:26 PM
I know Garner wasn't doing this, but if appeals to safety are what we're all about, then I guess people should never act in any form of civil disobedience ever again. They might kill you.
Well, unless you happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.  Your innocence is no protection, as folks whom Harry Browne took note of in his book, "Why Government Doesn't Work."  I still remember that example Shane likes to use:  of the wrong house on the mistaken drug raid where they shoot the family dog...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 05, 2015, 08:07:58 AM
Stay classy.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10891650_826970750703099_4600824551686436251_n.png?oh=a1cf4ae2f3bee1a5674025508f7453ea&oe=552CDBF8&__gda__=1430337344_2d15e271082167101901caf2ac2d9af2)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 06, 2015, 06:45:14 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 07, 2015, 01:51:57 AM
[yt]D09gfFaiZa8[/yt]  Intel, really?  do you hate money?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 07, 2015, 06:45:15 AM
Sometimes I think that Statist Idiot of the Day on Facebook is a bigger idiot than the statists he exposes...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 07, 2015, 10:22:11 AM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10906173_829319340468240_7505708779560228181_n.jpg?oh=6560954877c772b098958dbefeafe9a9&oe=55213378)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 07, 2015, 02:00:46 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelcannon/2015/01/07/nine-questions-on-the-house-vote-to-tweak-obamacares-employer-mandate/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 07, 2015, 06:15:19 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 07, 2015, 01:51:57 AM
[yt]D09gfFaiZa8[/yt]  Intel, really?  do you hate money?

Guess im going with AMD next time I get a processor
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 07, 2015, 11:56:46 PM
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My response.
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 08, 2015, 04:15:41 PM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10924748_650301325092318_7492234555760324626_n.jpg?oh=506c719907939603c7b82279fb2c58a0&oe=553B13E5)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 08, 2015, 05:01:00 PM
Wow.

(This is a REALLY long image, so I'll just post the link, but it's one of Brianna Wu's "friends" realizing she's a "privileged cunt.")

https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBgfaHR0cHM6Ly9pLmltZ3VyLmNvbS95SlBXeXZILnBuZxT2CxToawAWABIA&s=IE27tb1rPl1xS4xZ69V4SdMpYa5ABkL7bVPlDH0yGYM (https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBgfaHR0cHM6Ly9pLmltZ3VyLmNvbS95SlBXeXZILnBuZxT2CxToawAWABIA&s=IE27tb1rPl1xS4xZ69V4SdMpYa5ABkL7bVPlDH0yGYM)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 09, 2015, 04:30:22 PM
Skeptical Meme Society on Facebook:

QuotePlease do not post political memes to this page. We are not now, nor will we ever be a place to discuss politics. We thought that the way we keep deleting them would have been a hint, but....

Yeah, more statheists got butthurt...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 09, 2015, 05:19:10 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 09, 2015, 04:30:22 PM
Skeptical Meme Society on Facebook:

Yeah, more statheists got butthurt...
Yet the anti-pot bogosity of theirs gets to stay...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 10, 2015, 01:24:40 PM
Anyone using the phrase, "common sense" as a reason for why I should have known something.  Seriously, fuck you with a thousand nuclear dicks for you getting pissy at me for not being a fucking psychic, you assholes.  I'm convinced at this point that "common sense" is just cop out phrase at this point.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 10, 2015, 02:04:12 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 10, 2015, 01:24:40 PM
Anyone using the phrase, "common sense" as a reason for why I should have known something.  Seriously, fuck you with a thousand nuclear dicks for you getting pissy at me for not being a fucking psychic, you assholes.  I'm convinced at this point that "common sense" is just cop out phrase at this point.

I became convinced of that decades ago. I consider Appeal to Common Sense to be a fallacy, and in most cases "common sense" seems to be a phrase that's mostly used when someone wants to believe or defend something but has no rational argument for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 10, 2015, 03:13:37 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 10, 2015, 02:04:12 PM
I became convinced of that decades ago. I consider Appeal to Common Sense to be a fallacy, and in most cases "common sense" seems to be a phrase that's mostly used when someone wants to believe or defend something but has no rational argument for it.
In my case, I find it used when I ask how I should have known a social rule, or why someone is mad at me online, etc.  Whenever they respond with "um, common sense?" I want to clock them.  As that response is about as useful as telling a programmer in order to be better at his job, he has to "synergize his paradigms" from his pointy haired boss.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 11, 2015, 01:25:21 AM
Did you change how the bogometer works?

The thing with "common sense" is at it's best it's an assumption of societal norms that aren't in evidence, except in the persons head. In it's middle of the road meaning: it means "common knowledge" - which, as it turns out actually isn't all that common, and a lot of what people take as it is, well, the opposite of true. At it's worse it means "I'm having a fuss because you said/did something with which I disapprove, and I don't have a single reason to call you on it."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 11, 2015, 08:02:45 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 11, 2015, 01:25:21 AM
Did you change how the bogometer works?

Nope, lower numbers are still better.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 11, 2015, 12:43:16 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 11, 2015, 01:25:21 AM
Did you change how the bogometer works?
I think me, Shane, and Dave made someone on the board mad.  Meh, oh well.

Quote from: dallen68 on January 11, 2015, 01:25:21 AM
The thing with "common sense" is at it's best it's an assumption of societal norms that aren't in evidence, except in the persons head. In it's middle of the road meaning: it means "common knowledge" - which, as it turns out actually isn't all that common, and a lot of what people take as it is, well, the opposite of true. At it's worse it means "I'm having a fuss because you said/did something with which I disapprove, and I don't have a single reason to call you on it."
*applause* Well said, Dallen. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 11, 2015, 01:41:59 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 11, 2015, 12:43:16 PM
I think me, Shane, and Dave made someone on the board mad.  Meh, oh well.

I don't even pay attention to it. It's only there as a lark.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 11, 2015, 01:58:43 PM
well, just to be clear, it wasn't me. No one said anything I take exception to.

:shrug:
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 11, 2015, 02:02:02 PM
Quote from: D on January 08, 2015, 04:15:41 PM
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wow, what a cunt...

so 11 guys who exercised their right to free speech (even if what they did was a stupid--they knew the risks), and died for it is somehow equivalent to accusations of lacking journalistic credibility?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 11, 2015, 02:16:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7FznpjCUAEePqR.png)
"Common sense" is not a thing that exists, OP.  Kindly get off your high horse.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 11, 2015, 07:24:52 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 11, 2015, 12:43:16 PM
Dave made someone on the board mad.

Then I'm doing my job.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 12, 2015, 11:30:18 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on January 12, 2015, 01:57:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fKNazd3.jpg)

Because austerity is teh ebil and has never ever helped an economy recover from a recession...except of course for Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Switzerland, Canada, Chile, Ireland, New Zealand, and Post-WWII America.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 12, 2015, 03:32:08 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on January 12, 2015, 01:57:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fKNazd3.jpg)

Because austerity is teh ebil and has never ever helped an economy recover from a recession...except of course for Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Switzerland, Canada, Chile, Ireland, New Zealand, and Post-WWII America.

Except post-WWII America (1949-early 1960's) was on a spending spree after years (1942-1947/8) of enforced austerity.

Also, austerity programs don't really affect people who can't afford to buy whatever it is the austerity program is telling people not to buy. For example, if you do not have a car, it does not affect you if you're only allowed one set of tires and 5 gallons of gas a month.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 12, 2015, 04:03:16 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 12, 2015, 03:32:08 PM
Except post-WWII America (1949-early 1960's) was on a spending spree after years (1942-1947/8) of enforced austerity.

Also, austerity programs don't really affect people who can't afford to buy whatever it is the austerity program is telling people not to buy. For example, if you do not have a car, it does not affect you if you're only allowed one set of tires and 5 gallons of gas a month.

You're confused and using the wrong words.  1942 was the start of a WILD spending spree by the Us government called World War II.  What you're describing isn't austerity, but RATIONING.  And rationing certainly does have an impact on those who cannot use certain of the rations they are allocated:  They can sell them on the black market for things they can use.

In the immediate post-war period (starting promptly in 1946 when the military draw-down began in earnest) government spending fell precipitously, for pretty much the only time in US history.  Had there not been a convenient enemy to defend against (Stalin, who's incompetent intelligence system managed to send an order to kill someone who knew about almost all espionage against the US at the time directly to him, allowing him to escape and trade his knowledge for protection) it would have been difficult to get things going again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 12, 2015, 07:56:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7MOifNCYAAKo_g.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 12, 2015, 08:01:21 PM
Quote from: D on January 12, 2015, 07:56:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7MOifNCYAAKo_g.jpg)
...Um, why wouldn't white lives matter? Shouldn't all human life matter?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on January 12, 2015, 08:40:19 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 12, 2015, 08:01:21 PM
...Um, why wouldn't white lives matter? Shouldn't all human life matter?

Paraphrasing from a tweet (which would be another Fail Quote if I could find it), if you respond to #BlackLivesMatter with #AllLivesMatter or #HumanLivesMatter, you're not paying attention, because racism!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 12, 2015, 09:26:37 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on January 12, 2015, 08:40:19 PM
Paraphrasing from a tweet (which would be another Fail Quote if I could find it), if you respond to #BlackLivesMatter with #AllLivesMatter or #HumanLivesMatter, you're not paying attention, because racism!

They claim that's the same thing as going to someone's funeral and saying "I LOST SOMEBODY TOO"

I don't get it either.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 13, 2015, 12:20:46 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 12, 2015, 08:01:21 PM
...Um, why wouldn't white lives matter? Shouldn't all human life matter?

you're putting more thought into it than he is.

btw, just got notice: the total losses that day were 16 in number, of whom four were Jews, as well as a policeman or two.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 13, 2015, 12:39:55 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10888398_832848786781962_1134908188607733471_n.jpg?oh=24c22e9a23c104ad1c9eb8dd6aea1ce2&oe=5533D955&__gda__=1428728075_703a9ebe322fb564e0b9e028c7ce1316)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 13, 2015, 01:10:46 PM
Quote from: D on January 13, 2015, 12:39:55 PM
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So what's the story/deal with that hashtag?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 13, 2015, 01:52:13 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 13, 2015, 01:10:46 PM
So what's the story/deal with that hashtag?

The SJW's are pretending we shouldn't build support for free speech around an attempt to silence Charlie Hebdo because what they say is crap.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 13, 2015, 03:00:04 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on January 13, 2015, 01:52:13 PM
The SJW's are pretending we shouldn't build support for free speech around an attempt to silence Charlie Hebdo because what they say is crap.
Why do SJWs defend the worst people?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 13, 2015, 03:15:16 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 13, 2015, 03:00:04 PM
Why do SJWs defend the worst people?

They're claiming that they AREN'T defending the worst people, that's what they're labeling Charlie Hebdo as.  What they're ignoring is the fact that the most despicable are the people who must have their rights defended most vigorously for rights to be meaningful.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 13, 2015, 06:46:15 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 13, 2015, 01:10:46 PM
So what's the story/deal with that hashtag?

Basically he's hoping nobody points out the fact that feminists have ignored Islam for years because they were too busy crying about shirts, hurty words and sitting postures.

Oops, I just pointed it out.  Guess his plan was a failure.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on January 14, 2015, 01:10:40 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on January 12, 2015, 01:57:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fKNazd3.jpg)

Because austerity is teh ebil and has never ever helped an economy recover from a recession...except of course for Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Switzerland, Canada, Chile, Ireland, New Zealand, and Post-WWII America.

Say OP aren't you referring to the bailouts?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 14, 2015, 07:33:56 PM
(http://i61.tinypic.com/izt4b7.jpg)
And Chipfox once again showing why so many furs suck (and not just in the good way either).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 14, 2015, 10:10:28 PM
This has nothing to do with any thing else posted here, I simply didn't have another place.

Anyway, Recently, there have been a lot of memes about women pissing in some rather public places, presumably because men pee outside and why not women? I'd like to point out that when men do (and it's mostly when we have no choice), we go behind a dumpster, or get ourselves as tight on the wall as we can, or tuck into an alley, or that space between buildings.

rWe do not on purpose get on a fucking public underground and stand in the middle of a crowded car and whip out our dicks and take a piss.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 14, 2015, 11:42:15 PM
(http://i60.tinypic.com/wbt6gy.jpg)
Chip is a computer/defense engineer.  Yeah... Ivory Tower goodness.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 15, 2015, 07:07:06 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 14, 2015, 11:42:15 PM
(http://i60.tinypic.com/wbt6gy.jpg)
Chip is a computer/defense engineer.  Yeah... Ivory Tower goodness.

If he really wanted to do that, why not end cable and telco monopolies?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on January 15, 2015, 12:04:16 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 14, 2015, 11:42:15 PM
(http://i60.tinypic.com/wbt6gy.jpg)
Chip is a computer/defense engineer.  Yeah... Ivory Tower goodness.

And he only wants to charge you thrice what you'd normally pay.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 15, 2015, 12:54:26 PM
You hear about how bad Fox and MSNBC are, but not enough people give ABC the shit they deserve. They ran a piece on #GamerGate and of course it's the same narrative, without even questioning anything about it.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 15, 2015, 03:36:07 PM
https://twitter.com/Devvypaws
This...this person's timeline.  *shudders*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 15, 2015, 03:51:29 PM
Quote from: D on January 15, 2015, 12:54:26 PM
You hear about how bad Fox and MSNBC are, but not enough people give ABC the shit they deserve. They ran a piece on #GamerGate and of course it's the same narrative, without even questioning anything about it.

[yt]260KxcDTw0I[/yt]
God, I hope Sargon goes after this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on January 15, 2015, 08:03:51 PM
http://gawker.com/is-humanity-already-playing-god-with-its-precious-food-1677615095 (http://gawker.com/is-humanity-already-playing-god-with-its-precious-food-1677615095)

I'm not sure what's worse: that Gawker is publishing anti-GMO nonsense, that the SyFy network is sponsoring it, or that the discussion section is closed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 16, 2015, 06:06:15 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 16, 2015, 07:00:54 AM
Quote from: tnu on January 16, 2015, 06:06:15 AM
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No, he wants to ALLOW people to work more than 28 hours a week without being priced out of the market! I know LOTS of people who aren't able to get more hours at work because of Obamacare.

Liberals HATE THE POOR. The ONLY want to use them as political pawns.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 16, 2015, 03:40:32 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 16, 2015, 07:00:54 AM
No, he wants to ALLOW people to work more than 28 hours a week without being priced out of the market! I know LOTS of people who aren't able to get more hours at work because of Obamacare.

Liberals HATE THE POOR. The ONLY want to use them as political pawns.
Shared your reply on Twitter for great justice. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 16, 2015, 03:46:36 PM
And speaking of twitter fails:
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2lsgs9z.png)

He also unfollowed me on Twitter for that post by the looks of it. ;D  A shame, but oh well.  He had to find out my thoughts on this stuff sooner or later.  Better earlier instead of later after I've met him irl and we become irl friends making it that much more painful.

I always love it when people tell me that I'm closed minded/tell me to be more opened minded.  Especially liberal SJW people who have probably never had a change in view in their entire (dare I say) over-privileged lives. XD  I'm sure Hawkeye, Shane and the rest of you know the feeling as well.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 17, 2015, 03:37:38 AM
This is what I was talking about on Facebook, Travis!
(http://i.imgur.com/j98uOzI.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2015, 03:58:59 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 17, 2015, 03:37:38 AM
This is what I was talking about on Facebook, Travis!
(http://i.imgur.com/j98uOzI.png)
Good lord that other dude is a tool.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 17, 2015, 11:10:01 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2015, 03:58:59 AM
Good lord that other dude is a tool.

I maintain we shouldn't be censoring names of people like that. They posted it in public, let's shame them in public!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 17, 2015, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 17, 2015, 11:10:01 AM
I maintain we shouldn't be censoring names of people like that. They posted it in public, let's shame them in public!

You mean like they would if the situation was reversed?

Oh, wait, to them the situation IS reversed, I wonder if they censored the names wherever it is they post?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 17, 2015, 01:39:39 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 17, 2015, 11:10:01 AM
I maintain we shouldn't be censoring names of people like that. They posted it in public, let's shame them in public!
They are family members so I'd rather not do that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2015, 01:41:21 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 17, 2015, 11:10:01 AM
I maintain we shouldn't be censoring names of people like that. They posted it in public, let's shame them in public!
I second this.  A few furry friends of mine would call that stalking behavior, but then as furries, they're too prone to liberal mindsets.  Typical liberals and refusing to take accountability, you know?  It's why I will gladly post that stuff of chipfox, fuzzypaw, etc.  Folks, if you voluntarily post it in public you are responsible for it and you get no sympathy from me.  Take some damn accountability for your actions, damnit.

Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 17, 2015, 01:39:39 PM
They are family members so I'd rather not do that.
Yeah...okay, that is a very good point/exception.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 17, 2015, 03:01:53 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2015, 01:41:21 PM
Yeah...okay, that is a very good point/exception.

I agree.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2015, 03:23:32 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1554503_10154044563085203_6671345174812566283_n.jpg?oh=d5328e97dc710b2891c9b52bf4ce947f&oe=556B69AD&__gda__=1429234202_fce522f4c9f70005408bf03171070f06)
Um, why does a 'free nation' need a mandatory pledge?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 17, 2015, 03:35:06 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2015, 03:23:32 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1554503_10154044563085203_6671345174812566283_n.jpg?oh=d5328e97dc710b2891c9b52bf4ce947f&oe=556B69AD&__gda__=1429234202_fce522f4c9f70005408bf03171070f06)
Um, why does a 'free nation' need a mandatory pledge?
Written by a national socialist no less.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 17, 2015, 03:40:38 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2015, 03:58:59 AM
Good lord that other dude is a tool.
Ya, he's a gay guy who became an atheist out of spite, instead of argument.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 17, 2015, 07:50:00 PM
And another thing where Dallen posts something that doesn't belong anywhere else:

There is a difference between fault and responsibility. Fault implies that something you did caused *whatever* the problem happens to be. Responsibility means that you will take action to correct the situation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on January 17, 2015, 09:37:50 PM
This stupid survey on food policy (http://jaysonlusk.com/blog/2015/1/15/food-demand-survey-foods-january-2015)

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/502c267524aca01df475f9ec/t/54b80367e4b060f2e9743e4c/1421345639893/?format=750w)

I thought the ban on sugary sodas and transfat were stupid. Ditto for the mandatory labeling of GMOS.

But people actually want mandatory labeling for food with DNA. DNA. DNA!

Sometimes I wonder how people can be so collectively stupid about the food they eat. Then I remember that Natural News and Food Babe are considered "reliable news sources." Then I have the strong desire to toss myself off the steepest cliff.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 18, 2015, 04:32:09 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on January 17, 2015, 09:37:50 PM
This stupid survey on food policy (http://jaysonlusk.com/blog/2015/1/15/food-demand-survey-foods-january-2015)

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/502c267524aca01df475f9ec/t/54b80367e4b060f2e9743e4c/1421345639893/?format=750w)

I thought the ban on sugary sodas and transfat were stupid. Ditto for the mandatory labeling of GMOS.

But people actually want mandatory labeling for food with DNA. DNA. DNA!

Sometimes I wonder how people can be so collectively stupid about the food they eat. Then I remember that Natural News and Food Babe are considered "reliable news sources." Then I have the strong desire to toss myself off the steepest cliff.

well don't do so: share this with Myles Power: he's going to love this....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 18, 2015, 06:29:28 PM
I thought it was Miles Prower

(http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae30/Dark_Schneider_Zero/MilesTailsPrower.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 19, 2015, 05:36:43 PM
Wow @ Diana Peña in this thread: https://plus.google.com/100197545745919590620/posts/V6vXt2nGCcw
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 19, 2015, 10:55:18 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 19, 2015, 05:36:43 PM
Wow @ Diana Peña in this thread: https://plus.google.com/100197545745919590620/posts/V6vXt2nGCcw

Im convinced hes either a troll or illiterate
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 20, 2015, 03:17:09 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 19, 2015, 05:36:43 PM
Wow @ Diana Peña in this thread: https://plus.google.com/100197545745919590620/posts/V6vXt2nGCcw
I shared it on Twitter for Great Justice. :)  I'll share it on Google Plus too. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 20, 2015, 08:59:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B71TogrIgAALjBI.jpg)

Fucking really Brianna? God fucking damn it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 20, 2015, 09:48:10 PM
Quote from: D on January 20, 2015, 08:59:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B71TogrIgAALjBI.jpg)

Fucking really Brianna? God fucking damn it.

So, she wants, what, NON-violent depictions of rape???
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 20, 2015, 10:21:49 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 20, 2015, 09:48:10 PM
So, she wants, what, NON-violent depictions of rape???

Between that and expecting game developers to be responsible for fan made mods, I'm convinced this woman is mentally off.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 21, 2015, 12:40:20 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B74yn7fIMAExIcr.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on January 21, 2015, 01:07:39 PM
First read this article (https://www.techdirt.com/blog/netneutrality/articles/20150119/09293829747/thune-upton-isps-spearhead-flimsy-last-ditch-effort-to-derail-real-net-neutrality-protections.shtml), then read this bill (https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1505133/bills-114hr-pih-openinternet.pdf).  Keep in mind Techdirt has been unabashed proponent of Net Neutrality and Title 2 regulation.  Title 2 does not ban paid prioritization, this bill does.  Furthermore this bill actually enforces the four main principles of Net Neutrality.  Yet, they want the FCC to have even more power to regulate to internet and hope they won't abuse it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 21, 2015, 03:14:47 PM
"A lack of self discipline is a common flaw among people in your age group today.  Life was too easy, and so you haven't learned how to work hard for something yet."
Note that this person is only 10 years older than me.

Yeah, fuck you OP.  I put that "back in my day/you had it too easy" bullshit in the same bin as I do being told to check my privilege.
Considering this asshole was on the internet since at least 1998 whereas I wasn't until at least 5 years maybe, methinks this guy is projecting just like the SJWs he hates.

As Dave has said many times before:  This "Back in my day" mentality needs to fucking die.  That bit with the baby boomers and Dallen's post on that talking points thread comes to mind.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 21, 2015, 03:59:30 PM
Not a fail quote/but more fail situation:

As a virgin and a blood donor, when someone who is a total slutbag asks me for proof that I'm clean.
It's like....bitch, please, if anything YOU should be the one presenting ME proof that YOU'RE clean.
#FacePalm #Hypocrite #Seriously
#AreYouFuckingKiddingMedotJPG

I mean, I understand the need to be safe, but come on!  This is like refusing to go on the kiddie ride after taking a skydive while drunk.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 21, 2015, 05:48:30 PM
Welp, I got banned from the Skepticism group on Facebook for having the audacity to challenge Age of Consent laws.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/skeptics101/1427666817524215/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 21, 2015, 06:00:50 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 21, 2015, 05:48:30 PM
Welp, I got banned from the Skepticism group on Facebook for having the audacity to challenge Age of Consent laws.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/skeptics101/1427666817524215/
I swear, you and Dave have the most balls of anyone I know.  I'd be scared to death to challenge that using my full real name.
And yeah, seems we have yet more pseudo-skeptics who turn it off when it's the state being questioned...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 21, 2015, 06:41:44 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 21, 2015, 06:00:50 PM
I swear, you and Dave have the most balls of anyone I know.  I'd be scared to death to challenge that using my full real name.
And yeah, seems we have yet more pseudo-skeptics who turn it off when it's the state being questioned...

Yeah, and their responses were all of the "You don't care if 4-year-olds are raped!" variety.

They were also saying things like "You think a 17-year-old having sex is the same as a 4-year-old having sex!" when it's their precious law that does that!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 21, 2015, 07:16:52 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 21, 2015, 06:41:44 PM
Yeah, and their responses were all of the "You don't care if 4-year-olds are raped!" variety.

They were also saying things like "You think a 17-year-old having sex is the same as a 4-year-old having sex!" when it's their precious law that does that!
Yeah, gotta love projection from these people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 21, 2015, 09:04:23 PM
"The history of all previous societies has been the history of class struggles."--Karl Marx.
Said the aristocratic fop who never worked a day in his life...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on January 23, 2015, 09:19:33 AM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/7f/2e/2f/7f2e2f9831f4c888fb6a2399feb472bd.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 23, 2015, 09:23:58 AM
http://boingboing.net/2015/01/14/how-crowdfunding-helps-haters.html (http://boingboing.net/2015/01/14/how-crowdfunding-helps-haters.html)

The projection is strong with this one...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 25, 2015, 12:30:04 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p526x296/10945584_1392736297480736_1907732135618917908_n.jpg?oh=35db3fcbeddee72d0e8e446d3b3c9019&oe=5560573A&__gda__=1428361218_29f91f084b4bd332c8a74ca3aa7037ef)
*Sigh*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 26, 2015, 09:03:49 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 25, 2015, 12:30:04 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p526x296/10945584_1392736297480736_1907732135618917908_n.jpg?oh=35db3fcbeddee72d0e8e446d3b3c9019&oe=5560573A&__gda__=1428361218_29f91f084b4bd332c8a74ca3aa7037ef)
*Sigh*

Um...not seeing the fail, there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 26, 2015, 01:04:20 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on January 26, 2015, 09:03:49 AM
Um...not seeing the fail, there.
Because, its a assumption that pro-lifers don't care about starving children.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 26, 2015, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 26, 2015, 01:04:20 PM
Because, its a assumption that pro-lifers don't care about starving children.

It also seems to suggest that "pro-life" means wanting government to pay for welfare to the poor, instead of charity.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 26, 2015, 01:06:47 PM
Wow @ Dave Tobin and Daniel Iman in this Atheist Nexus thread:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/atheistnexus/10153204660263072
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 26, 2015, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 26, 2015, 01:06:32 PM
It also seems to suggest that "pro-life" means wanting government to pay for welfare to the poor, instead of charity.
Been seeing alot of that lately.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 26, 2015, 09:49:53 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8T9B6zCIAATonz.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 27, 2015, 01:38:11 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8T2ufqCIAEExnD.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on January 28, 2015, 12:49:32 AM
[yt]-Yd9bt6eyRM[/yt]

KillerWhaleSFI shows us a very clear lack of economic understanding.

KillerWhaleSFI "You say a post scarcity society is not possible, so allow me be very specific with respect to what I am referring.

Should we strive toward a society wherein every person on the planet has access to clean water, nutritious food, housing, clothing, and medicine provided without charge?  (these things are all technically possible, right now)"

Altimadark "If everyone has enough food/water/medicine/etc, lots of people will start having more kids. Which means more mouths to feed. Even in Darwin's day, scientists understood that, when not limited by resources, human populations could potentially double every 25 years. How does your post-scarcity system in a scarce world handle that problem?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 28, 2015, 01:10:51 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/s526x395/10676144_781615338598189_8848374595744469054_n.jpg?oh=1e1aea681be8c7889528e4118e9e3bad&oe=555EC143&__gda__=1433330547_1147a534616f8f09d4e2401f15c6e85d)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 29, 2015, 08:27:25 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8gQB5RCIAAAWxe.jpg)

I'm convinced Brianna Wu is mentally deficient.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2015, 01:29:09 PM
And speaking of "wu's" (See what I did there?)
https://twitter.com/Fuzzypaw/status/560861781870903296
Anti-vaxxers claiming to not be anti-vaxxers.  Yeah, just like the guy with all the creationist talking points who says he's not a creationist.  Heard it all before pal.  And of course taking advantage of the fact that, "a lie can finish speaking before the truth can draw a breath" that is such a PITA on Twitter b/c of the character limit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2015, 03:19:16 PM
And speaking of fuzzypaw:  https://twitter.com/Fuzzypaw/status/560891619096793089
*facepalms* Yes, just have govco pass a fiat decree and have them point guns at stuff.  That'll work...*rolls eyes*And he was on such a roll too, debunking/spanking anti-vaxxer ass. >.<*

That quote from Penn & Teller about Gris-Gris comes to mind...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on January 29, 2015, 08:43:08 PM
Quote from: D on January 29, 2015, 08:27:25 AM
I'm convinced Brianna Wu is mentally deficient.

It gets dumber:

(http://i.imgur.com/e9LmKux.png)

Apparently we're just too sexist to recognize it as sarcasm.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2015, 11:51:54 PM
https://plus.google.com/112759301310383471622/posts/Eeai4Fvio2K
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 30, 2015, 06:48:50 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on January 29, 2015, 08:43:08 PM
It gets dumber:

(http://i.imgur.com/e9LmKux.png)

Apparently we're just too sexist to recognize it as sarcasm.

Actually, I believe it only counts as sarcasm if it makes a point, since Brianna's posts evidently don't (or rather the point is known only to Brianna), they're just untrue nonsense.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 30, 2015, 06:55:45 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 30, 2015, 06:48:50 AM
Actually, I believe it only counts as sarcasm if it makes a point, since Brianna's posts evidently don't (or rather the point is known only to Brianna), they're just untrue nonsense.

The sarcasm doesn't even make any sense! Is she saying it's a good thing there are female Ghostbusters? Or a bad thing? Is she lampooning it? Is her target people who like the idea of female Ghostbusters, or oppose it?

Sarcasm: YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 30, 2015, 08:11:55 AM
This is what we call being a spineless bitch:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10426182_841447349255439_1234115202941647448_n.jpg?oh=038895e07bffd2ec0bdb329d8e78abe1&oe=5554309C&__gda__=1432117269_662a212b2d0d11a25b403a1e9073ad91)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 30, 2015, 08:23:11 AM
Are people still on about gamergate? *watches as the splintered and charred remains of the bridge float down the river*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 30, 2015, 08:33:09 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on January 30, 2015, 08:23:11 AM
Are people still on about gamergate? *watches as the splintered and charred remains of the bridge float down the river*

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/418/492/533.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2015, 02:00:12 PM
Quote from: D on January 30, 2015, 08:33:09 AM
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/418/492/533.jpg)
Image not visible. :(
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 30, 2015, 02:41:40 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2015, 02:00:12 PM
Image not visible. :(

That's weird. I see it just fine. It says "Mr Bones Says: The Ride Never Ends."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 30, 2015, 03:11:38 PM
Quote from: D on January 30, 2015, 02:41:40 PM
That's weird. I see it just fine. It says "Mr Bones Says: The Ride Never Ends."

Coming up fine for me, too.  (And I know there's SOMETHING wrong with my FireFox, since I can't get the audio player to come up for the podcast.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2015, 03:48:01 PM
Quote from: D on January 30, 2015, 02:41:40 PM
That's weird. I see it just fine. It says "Mr Bones Says: The Ride Never Ends."
I see it when I copy/paste the url into the address box.  Cool.

In other news:  http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/29/7932653/fcc-changed-definition-broadband-25mbps
I'm reminded of an onion video where they simply changed the definition of obese to be much fatter and it was considered doing something about the obesity problem...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 30, 2015, 04:04:11 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on January 30, 2015, 03:11:38 PM
Coming up fine for me, too.  (And I know there's SOMETHING wrong with my FireFox, since I can't get the audio player to come up for the podcast.)

On the podcast page or the forum page?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 30, 2015, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2015, 03:48:01 PM
In other news:  http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/29/7932653/fcc-changed-definition-broadband-25mbps
I'm reminded of an onion video where they simply changed the definition of obese to be much fatter and it was considered doing something about the obesity problem...

Like what they did in the real world with school test scores?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 30, 2015, 04:17:15 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2015, 03:48:01 PM
I see it when I copy/paste the url into the address box.  Cool.

In other news:  http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/29/7932653/fcc-changed-definition-broadband-25mbps
I'm reminded of an onion video where they simply changed the definition of obese to be much fatter and it was considered doing something about the obesity problem...

It will mostly impact how ISP's can market their products to consumers. Especially DSL carriers, although most cable providers I'm aware of wouldn't meet the new standard either. Basically, this will make it so if you don't have FiOS, or something similar, you can't call it broadband.

This is an area where I believe we'd be better off if companies in the related industries got together and agreed "This is what these terms mean", than have a gov't agency tell the industry what the terms mean. If I was defining it "broadband" would mean a system capable of delivering withing the top 20% of possible speeds at that time, mid-band would be 21%-50, low would be 50-20, and budget would be below 19.

I also think they're a little high on the number of people that get broadband at the new level.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 30, 2015, 04:38:53 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 30, 2015, 04:04:11 PM
On the podcast page or the forum page?

Forum page.  I normally listen to it on YouTube, isnce it comes up in my subscription page anyway.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 30, 2015, 05:41:42 PM
http://www.salon.com/2015/01/29/nightmare_libertarian_project_turns_country_into_the_murder_capital_of_the_world/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Shocking! So much violence afer implementing the libertarian ideal of a militarized police force.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on January 30, 2015, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on January 30, 2015, 05:41:42 PM
http://www.salon.com/2015/01/29/nightmare_libertarian_project_turns_country_into_the_murder_capital_of_the_world/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Shocking! So much violence afer implementing the libertarian ideal of a militarized police force.

Mm-kay, I didn't see anything in that article -other than the title- that suggested anything libertarian...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 30, 2015, 07:35:08 PM
Clearly a case of someone who is oppressed and living in fear.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8nOlLaIAAA7Hlq.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on January 31, 2015, 07:31:04 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 31, 2015, 09:15:22 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on January 30, 2015, 04:38:53 PM
Forum page.  I normally listen to it on YouTube, isnce it comes up in my subscription page anyway.

That one uses Flowplayer. Make sure Flash is installed and up-to-date.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 31, 2015, 09:18:43 AM
Quote from: D on January 31, 2015, 07:31:04 AM
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I'm seriously wondering if the @JusticeForAnita account is a troll/satire/parody account.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 31, 2015, 09:42:32 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 31, 2015, 09:18:43 AM
I'm seriously wondering if the @JusticeForAnita account is a troll/satire/parody account.

I'm calling "Poe." Look at "her" follow-ups.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on January 31, 2015, 01:11:51 PM
Okay here's BroTeamPill's reason for the DMCA against AngryJoe

https://twitter.com/BroTeamPill/status/561407363908136960

1-DMCA is NOT the appropriate channel for such a complaint
2-How in the HELL did AngryJoe portray you as ProGG?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on January 31, 2015, 02:30:23 PM
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For some reason this asinine shit keeps coming up on my whats hot on google plus >.>
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on January 31, 2015, 07:52:20 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 31, 2015, 09:18:43 AM
I'm seriously wondering if the @JusticeForAnita account is a troll/satire/parody account.
This person doesn't know about the Trap crossdressing pics Shadman does, huh?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 01, 2015, 08:17:04 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8wqLXDCMAATGwe.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 01, 2015, 11:27:03 AM
Quote from: D on February 01, 2015, 08:17:04 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8wqLXDCMAATGwe.jpg)

No, it's code for Pineapple on pizza. It's a rather common ingredient, especially when combined with ham, or ground beef, or both.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 01, 2015, 08:00:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zPfPLCAAACL6q.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 01, 2015, 08:04:51 PM
Quote from: D on February 01, 2015, 08:00:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zPfPLCAAACL6q.jpg)

I'm not aware of any burning ofwome in Salem....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 01, 2015, 08:37:32 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 01, 2015, 08:04:51 PM
I'm not aware of any burning ofwome in Salem....

She's referring to the Salem witch trials, which isn't even remotely like anything Her, Zoe, and Anita are pretending to endure (for one: one is real, the other isn't). Although a misconception propogated by the American Public school system, the victims of the SWT were hung, not burned.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on February 01, 2015, 08:51:49 PM
Quote from: D on February 01, 2015, 08:00:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zPfPLCAAACL6q.jpg)

For my part, I can't but help to point out that the people accusing others of witchcraft were themselves women, and, IIRC, were held above reproach by the authorities for the entire affair.

Yeah, Wu, there are some parallels, but not in the way you think.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 01, 2015, 09:36:08 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on February 01, 2015, 08:37:32 PM
She's referring to the Salem witch trials...

wow...the joke really went over your head! :P

(no one was burned at Salem: yes, many were executed on charges of witch-craft, but that was largely by Hanging, with one or two cases of being crushed to death by boulders trying to extract confessions).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 02, 2015, 07:49:44 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on February 01, 2015, 08:04:51 PM
I'm not aware of any burning ofwome in Salem....

They wasn't any.  The women victimized in Salem were hanged, burning was performed in Europe in earlier times.  And it wasn't specifically because they were witches, but because they weren't following the precise form of Christianity prescribed, which could get anyone burned in that era.

Why does Wu make this obvious error?  Most likely because she doesn't know anything about history.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 02, 2015, 08:29:01 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on February 01, 2015, 08:51:49 PM
For my part, I can't but help to point out that the people accusing others of witchcraft were themselves women, and, IIRC, were held above reproach by the authorities for the entire affair.

And some of the accused were men, at least six of whom were executed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 02, 2015, 09:17:49 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 02, 2015, 08:29:01 AM
And some of the accused were men, at least six of whom were executed.
But you see, it was an example of historic MAH SOGGY KNEES!

Speaking of SJW fails: 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8fI-epCEAAx10T.jpg)

Again, I just can't take this crap seriously.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 02, 2015, 09:47:53 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on February 02, 2015, 07:49:44 AM
They wasn't any.  The women victimized in Salem were hanged, burning was performed in Europe in earlier times.  And it wasn't specifically because they were witches, but because they weren't following the precise form of Christianity prescribed, which could get anyone burned in that era.

Why does Wu make this obvious error?  Most likely because she doesn't know anything about history.

already knew: the post right above your reply mentions the fact that they were hanged.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on February 03, 2015, 12:36:13 PM
Oh jeez there goes Rand Paul regurgitating Anti-Vaxer BS at 1:50.

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000351424

Not even citing any (pseudo)empirical studies. <sigh>
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 03, 2015, 01:12:08 PM
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1528354107425534&id=100007528785584
Shane Nolan's comment:  "Fucking in the bedroom doesn't affect other people. Being a big corporation getting millions in tax breaks and taking part in shady business practices DOES affect other people."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2015, 01:35:37 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 11, 2015, 02:27:41 PM
So I posted these in fail quotes, but I think it's even more germane to this topic:

(After explaining that I am confused by a social rule or asking how I should know how to do this or that related to social skills, etc):
"Um, common sense?"
You're right OP, I just need to magically get something that doesn't even have a coherent meaning to be better at understanding social norms.  Just like to be better at your job, you just need to synergize your paradigms, you fucking tool.  Excuse me for not being a fucking psychic.  Seriously, if you don't any specific, useful actually helpful advice to give, then fuck off with your cliche'ed cop outs.

I've long relegated "common sense" to the same bin as Carl Jung's "Collective Unconsciousness," "well it wasn't meant to be," and "God works in mysterious ways." and other brands of cop out responses from people who seriously need to keep their cake holes shut.  With staples and hot glue if necessary.

It reminds me of the more outdated phrase, "Street smarts."  Okay, so maybe there might be something to that, in terms of being able to survive on the streets, or having social skills, charisma, and not getting a knife in your gut while taking a midnight summer stroll through the Southern Bronx. But in that case, call it by it's proper name:  Charisma, social skills, etc.  And, even better, give real advice on how to get some.

The folks telling you "hur dur common sense!"? This is the same guy who tells their homeless friends, "um, money bro? Get some of it."
So I share this with a fur, and he dismisses it as, "pessimistic thinking" without addressing the points and he goes on about how, "well my logic, and your logic" I explain there is no "my/your logic" his response is, "I don't believe that." Just because you don't believe it don't make it so, bro.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2015, 02:19:53 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 04, 2015, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2015, 02:19:53 PM
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Socialism + Photoshop = Not Trying.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2015, 06:01:30 PM
Quote from: D on February 04, 2015, 04:25:49 PM
Socialism + Photoshop = Not Trying.
The most upthumbed comment on the picture:  "Capitalism + Music = Nickleback"....well I like Nickleback.  Jerks. >.>;;;
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 04, 2015, 06:08:15 PM
Quote from: D on February 04, 2015, 04:25:49 PM
Socialism + Photoshop = Not Trying.

anything plus socialism= not trying.

I mean, just look at Africa.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 04, 2015, 08:41:47 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2015, 06:01:30 PM
The most upthumbed comment on the picture:  "Capitalism + Music = Nickleback"....well I like Nickleback.  Jerks. >.>;;;

>liking Nickelback
>ever


(http://oi48.tinypic.com/27y5n4n.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2015, 12:57:51 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDU-DutCYAA4EgQ.jpg:large)
The middle one isn't so bad.
The worst part being the OP https://twitter.com/OmegaFoxGoku claims to be a libertarian.
#BroDoYouEvenLiberty
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 08, 2015, 08:09:09 PM
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Pffffthahahahahahahahaha

Oh god. Brianna Wu never fails to crack me up.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 09, 2015, 09:34:20 AM
Quote from: D on February 08, 2015, 08:09:09 PM
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Pffffthahahahahahahahaha

Oh god. Brianna Wu never fails to crack me up.

It wouldn't be so bad if so many people--especially the press--didn't eat it all up uncritically.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on February 09, 2015, 12:04:13 PM
I actually saw it before she removed it, and at the time I didn't know what to think of it. That's the kind of moment where the limits of my skills in english show, I guess. I was quite confused to see that she posted that, and baiting certainly wasn't the first that came into mind. Now that you remind me of it, I have a hard time finding another explanation, especially since she seems to have removed it.

In a way that cracks me up to.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 09, 2015, 01:15:45 PM
Quote from: D on February 08, 2015, 08:09:09 PM
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Pffffthahahahahahahahaha

Oh god. Brianna Wu never fails to crack me up.

That's tame compared to Anita Sarkesian being the most likely source of the Utah 'threat'.

Does anyone have any info on what she thinks happened at the Montreal Massacre?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 09, 2015, 04:15:18 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on February 09, 2015, 04:55:09 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on February 09, 2015, 01:15:45 PM
That's tame compared to Anita Sarkesian being the most likely source of the Utah 'threat'.

Does anyone have any info on what she thinks happened at the Montreal Massacre?

Why do you say that she is the most likely source of the threat ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on February 09, 2015, 05:58:22 PM
More fine reporting from the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/05/opinion/overturning-obamacare-would-change-the-nature-of-the-supreme-court.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1409232722000&bicmet=1419773522000&_r=0&utm_content=buffereb0f3&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

That's not what "cooperative federalism" means!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 09, 2015, 10:30:36 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on February 09, 2015, 04:55:09 PM
Why do you say that she is the most likely source of the threat ?

The 'threat' was based around a reference to the Montreal Massacre, a somewhat obscure reference for someone supposedly based in Utah to be using, but quite top-of-mind for a Canadian Feminist to make.

Anita is clearly in everything for the money, and cancelling as a result of the 'threat' would be expected to bring in more money than her extremely high speaking fee (although the absolute BONANZA it brought in likely surprised even her).

Anyone familiar with conditions in Utah would not expect a threat that only works against unarmed people to be taken seriously.

The threat itself is inconsistent with the Montreal Massacre, which involved only a single relatively low power hunting rifle, not the implied arsenal fire arms and pipe bomb.  Anita is demonstrated to be unfamiliar with real vents or to just not care.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on February 10, 2015, 09:26:19 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on February 09, 2015, 10:30:36 PM
The 'threat' was based around a reference to the Montreal Massacre, a somewhat obscure reference for someone supposedly based in Utah to be using, but quite top-of-mind for a Canadian Feminist to make.
The person who threatened could have heard about that massacre anywhere, that's hardly evidence of anything. I think it's fair that if this person claims to be anti feminist, he could have learned about it by reading about this very topic, which he might do a lot if that's so important to him that he would threaten someone. Or it could be another feminist ... Or someone who enjoys threatening people and found that this reference was best suited for his purpose. Anyway, I think it's a pretty weak argument.

QuoteAnita is clearly in everything for the money, and cancelling as a result of the 'threat' would be expected to bring in more money than her extremely high speaking fee (although the absolute BONANZA it brought in likely surprised even her).
Yeah that seems to be the case but that doesn't tell us anything about how far she might take it ...

QuoteAnyone familiar with conditions in Utah would not expect a threat that only works against unarmed people to be taken seriously.
Well, I don't know. A mad man would find a solution I guess. He just have to enter one room and take everyone by surprise, especially if he's willing to die. People who do mass shootings often plan to die at the end so ... Besides, in the case that she actually is the source of the threats, that still doesn't tell us anything because she doesn't need it to be taken seriously right ? If she is doing it for the attention, she wins either way.

QuoteThe threat itself is inconsistent with the Montreal Massacre, which involved only a single relatively low power hunting rifle, not the implied arsenal fire arms and pipe bomb.  Anita is demonstrated to be unfamiliar with real vents or to just not care.
Well, that is at least consistent with the intention of doing maximum damage isn't it ? So, again, I fail to see how it's evidence of anything. Or at least, I fail to see how it helps us assess the likelyhood of any particular person being the source.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 10, 2015, 10:38:02 AM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on February 10, 2015, 09:26:19 AMYeah that seems to be the case but that doesn't tell us anything about how far she might take it ...

Well we pretty much know she lied about having to go into hiding, because people have compared the background of the videos she made from home with the ones she supposedly made from the secret hiding place, and they're identical, right down to the position of the wall outlets and even the smudges on the walls.

QuoteWell, I don't know. A mad man would find a solution I guess. He just have to enter one room and take everyone by surprise, especially if he's willing to die. People who do mass shootings often plan to die at the end so ...

But as we've covered before, when an armed citizen confronts the shooter only 2 or 3 people die as opposed to a dozen or so. Which means no one would hear about it. And these people do it because they want people to hear about it and talk about them posthumously.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on February 10, 2015, 12:04:23 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 10, 2015, 10:38:02 AM
Well we pretty much know she lied about having to go into hiding, because people have compared the background of the videos she made from home with the ones she supposedly made from the secret hiding place, and they're identical, right down to the position of the wall outlets and even the smudges on the walls.
Wrong person :)


QuoteBut as we've covered before, when an armed citizen confronts the shooter only 2 or 3 people die as opposed to a dozen or so. Which means no one would hear about it. And these people do it because they want people to hear about it and talk about them posthumously.
Yeah, if you encounter resistance your impact is way lower, but again that is not a very useful piece of information.
What does that tell us about the likelyhood that Sarkeesian is the source of the threats ? There are a number of scenarios that would account for the threat she recieved and no evidence we have is strong enough in my opinion to suggest anything about a likely source. Well ... We can still take the text at face value, but all that tells us is that this person is really angry.

Edit : What the hell does "futon absorber" mean ? ^^
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 10, 2015, 02:08:16 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on February 10, 2015, 12:04:23 PM
Wrong person :)

Aren't we talking about Brianna Wu? Or are we on to Sarkeesian now? Hard to tell since they all pretty much do the same thing...

QuoteEdit : What the hell does "futon absorber" mean ? ^^

It's the lowest level above N00b.  As your post count increases, so does your status--all the way to Sarcasitron Collider!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on February 10, 2015, 05:02:00 PM
We're talking about Sarkeesian and the threat sent to the USU staff.

I asked Evensgrey about this "That's tame compared to Anita Sarkesian being the most likely source of the Utah 'threat'." and that's what we were discussing.

Also ... if Sarcasitron Collider is the highest rank, that means that Master Of The Bogoverse is not attainable ... Which makes it a monopoly, Shane.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 10, 2015, 07:35:18 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on February 10, 2015, 05:02:00 PM
We're talking about Sarkeesian and the threat sent to the USU staff.

I asked Evensgrey about this "That's tame compared to Anita Sarkesian being the most likely source of the Utah 'threat'." and that's what we were discussing.

The thing about the USU threat is that it's been demonstrably proven that there was no credible threat. The police made it perfectly clear that Anita was not in danger that day and there was no reason to cancel her appearance. She chose to and decided to use that as a means to smear #GamerGate.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on February 10, 2015, 07:50:12 PM
I'm not arguing against with that.

edit : correction of a mistake
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 10, 2015, 09:50:30 PM
[yt]4JlpeDDwSFU[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 11, 2015, 07:08:57 AM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on February 10, 2015, 05:02:00 PM
Also ... if Sarcasitron Collider is the highest rank, that means that Master Of The Bogoverse is not attainable ... Which makes it a monopoly, Shane.

Yep! It's MINE! MINE! MINE!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 11, 2015, 08:23:18 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 11, 2015, 07:08:57 AM
Yep! It's MINE! MINE! MINE!!!

[yt]RKMNPQ35OUc[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 11, 2015, 02:11:11 PM
Quote from: D on February 11, 2015, 08:23:18 AM
[yt]RKMNPQ35OUc[/yt]
Exactly!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 11, 2015, 04:11:48 PM
Quote from: tnu on February 10, 2015, 09:50:30 PM
[yt]4JlpeDDwSFU[/yt]

:facepalm: First off, e-cigs are not a smoking cessation device, it's an alternative to traditional cigarettes. Whether they are any safer than normal cigarettes, overall, has not been determined. Of course, since they aren't burning plant matter it would at least avoid the property damage associated with cigarette smoke... Which is what a lot of people are actually complaining about. I'll grant him that people should verify that it's all right to do it when others are around. Just like you would with any of the other things listed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 11, 2015, 07:29:05 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on February 11, 2015, 04:11:48 PM
:facepalm: First off, e-cigs are not a smoking cessation device, it's an alternative to traditional cigarettes.

Actually, a lot of people have used e-cigs to quit smoking, and they seem to be better at that than almost anything else on the market.

QuoteWhether they are any safer than normal cigarettes, overall, has not been determined.

Yes, it has. They're safer. No question. Check the podcast archives.

It's just nicotine dissolved in a solvent. NONE of the health problems from cigarette smoking come from the nicotine, but from other components in the tobacco.

QuoteI'll grant him that people should verify that it's all right to do it when others are around. Just like you would with any of the other things listed.

Notice that his "worst case scenario"--the absolute worst possible thing that could happen--is someone vaping in front of him in a theatre? He doesn't even realize that that's vapor, not smoke, which is why it's called vaping and not smoking!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 11, 2015, 10:17:23 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 11, 2015, 11:58:56 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 11, 2015, 07:29:05 PM
It's just nicotine dissolved in a solvent. NONE of the health problems from cigarette smoking come from the nicotine, but from other components in the tobacco.


No, my argument was e-cigs are not used for the PURPOSE of smoking sensation. They are intended for me to keep ... using tobacco .... without offending   Shane.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 12, 2015, 07:17:56 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on February 11, 2015, 11:58:56 PM

No, my argument was e-cigs are not used for the PURPOSE of smoking sensation. They are intended for me to keep ... using tobacco .... without offending   Shane.

Except tobacco isn't in e-cigs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_cigarette). So that makes no sense.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on February 12, 2015, 07:54:22 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 11, 2015, 07:29:05 PM
Notice that his "worst case scenario"--the absolute worst possible thing that could happen--is someone vaping in front of him in a theatre? He doesn't even realize that that's vapor, not smoke, which is why it's called vaping and not smoking!

I think this part of his argument was just about the vapor bothering him when watching. Nothing to do with breathing it. At least that's how I understood it.

Now, the question is : Why does he want the authorities to intervene when owners of each of the places he mentioned could make up rules by themself ? That's like countries where you can't smoke cigarettes in pub, bars etc. Who do you harm when doing so ? People come willingly and can willingly choose another venue.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 12, 2015, 08:48:15 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9pc3-0CcAAyQ0W.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 12, 2015, 12:20:54 PM
Damnit Bob, you just went Full McIntosh/Full Potato again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 12, 2015, 02:50:11 PM
Quote from: D on February 12, 2015, 07:17:56 AM
Except tobacco isn't in e-cigs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_cigarette). So that makes no sense.

Except it does, it's still nicotine.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 12, 2015, 02:52:35 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on February 12, 2015, 02:50:11 PM
Except it does, it's still nicotine.

So by that logic, nicotine patches, gum and all those other products to help quit smoking are meant to keep you hooked on tobacco.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 12, 2015, 02:59:29 PM
Quote from: D on February 12, 2015, 02:52:35 PM
So by that logic, nicotine patches, gum and all those other products to help quit smoking are meant to keep you hooked on tobacco.

I didn't say that. The e-cig didn't make the choice to use tobacco -or more specifically nicotine- I did. All those other things, I suppose, could be used as alternative methods of doing so. What my point still is, is that the e-cig allows me to pursue my pleasure without listening to you bitch about it. Also, the package the e-cig comes in states that it is not a smoking cessation device. People that use gums, or patches, usually are trying to quit, those that use e-cigs may not be. Usually, they're like me and are seeking an alternative.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 12, 2015, 03:15:13 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on February 12, 2015, 02:59:29 PMAlso, the package the e-cig comes in states that it is not a smoking cessation device.

Because they haven't proven to the FDA that it is. Doesn't mean it doesn't work.

People that use gums, or patches, usually are trying to quit, those that use e-cigs may not be. Usually, they're like me and are seeking an alternative.[/quote]

There have been reports of people switching to e-cigs and ending up quitting even if that wasn't their intention!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 12, 2015, 03:25:37 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 12, 2015, 03:15:13 PM
There have been reports of people switching to e-cigs and ending up quitting even if that wasn't their intention!

Fair enough. That's exactly what happened.

Quote from: MrBogosityBecause they haven't proven to the FDA...

Which is what I meant when I said:

Quote from: dallen68Whether they are any safer than normal cigarettes, overall, has not been determined
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 12, 2015, 03:47:05 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on February 12, 2015, 03:25:37 PMWhich is what I meant when I said:

The government is NOT the determinant of what we know! First of all, there's one and only one ingredient from cigarettes: nicotine, and nothing else in the e-cig that's known to be harmful, and it's WITHOUT all the harmful chemicals in tobacco! So even without looking at the evidence, there's pretty much no way these things aren't MUCH safer than cigarettes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 12, 2015, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 12, 2015, 03:47:05 PM
The government is NOT the determinant of what we know! First of all, there's one and only one ingredient from cigarettes: nicotine, and nothing else in the e-cig that's known to be harmful, and it's WITHOUT all the harmful chemicals in tobacco! So even without looking at the evidence, there's pretty much no way these things aren't MUCH safer than cigarettes.

Firstly, while the gov't isn't THE determinant of what we know, the FDA is the de facto primary source for medical/nutrition information in our culture. Whether it *should* be or not is another topic.

Secondly, Yes, logic dictates that they would be safer... Although there was a study that suggested that inhaling second hand vapor might deliver MORE nicotine than inhaling second hand smoke, that study also pointed out that you'd have to be right up on me while I was exhaling to get any. Unlike smoke, vapor doesn't hang in the air for any amount of time. In the OP's argument, you'd be to far away to have any health concerns sitting in a theatre behind me. Also nothing is being released from it if I'm not actively drawing on it, so there's no passive vaping.

I'm hoping you weren't under the impression I was defending the OP, because I wasn't. The world would be a much more amicable place if people like him stopped swimming in other's soup. Especially when you can't even smell the soup.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 12, 2015, 10:13:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9sXh8CCQAASSLg.png)

So BriWu thinks Law & Order SVU is real life.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 13, 2015, 07:28:10 AM
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Quoteincome tax is designed to pay for the goods and services we enjoy. when you fly, someone has to pay the FAA so they can continue to manage the industry. where do you think the money comes from to pave new runways and maintain the infastructure of the various airports so business can commerce and people can travel. when it comes to state income tax, where do you think that money comes from to pay for the goods and services for the state? where does the money come from to pave roads and maintain public schools? it comes from us the taxpayer. that is why we pay taxes, so the various infastructures can be funded and maintained. would i like more money to go towards maintaining America? yes. we piss away about $1 million a day to Israel. why are we throwing that money to them when our nations needs it. are there some things that the government mishandles, yes. but that doesn't mean ALL of it is bad.

yeah, how dare they regulate how we do business. companies should be allowed to do whatever they want to do eh. so if they put an ingredient that is harmful to humans in their food, purposely, and someone dies then they shouldn't be held responsible for it...or prevented from doing so in the first place. when my dad was in high school, there was little regulation on companies and a company in mid-Michigan was dumping their waste into Saginaw Bay. it got so bad that the lake itself started on fire. oh but regulation is bad. libertarianism is a fucking joke. wake up to life.

what type of arms: well you do know the 2nd Amendment does start off with "well regulated" don't you? probably not. conservatives like to ignore the first half of the amendment. so you think anyone should be able to get whatever arms they want? i'm a pilot, i should be allowed to buy a stealth bomber. it counts as "arms" so i should get it. and i should be able to buy my own nuke too. right? this isn't the wild west. regulation does need to be set in place so idiots don't take advantage of things and harm others.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 13, 2015, 08:21:09 AM
(Not to TNU, but the guy he quoted.)

Quote from: tnu on February 13, 2015, 07:28:10 AMare there some things that the government mishandles, yes. but that doesn't mean ALL of it is bad.

Funny how they don't say the same things about corporations that don't have anywhere NEAR that level of corruption...

Quotewhat type of arms: well you do know the 2nd Amendment does start off with "well regulated" don't you? probably not.

You do know what the word "regulated" meant at the time, don't you? Probably not. It didn't mean "restrict," it meant "to make regular."

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Also, READ ROTHBARD. If you'd just take time to read the fundamental books on libertarian philosophy, like "The Ethics of Liberty," you'd be able to discuss these things with us without looking like a complete moron. For example, he says PRECISELY where the line is drawn with what weapons should be allowed and why. As it is, all you have is a bunch of strawman arguments that NO libertarian agrees with (e.g., OF COURSE if someone causes damage to others they should be held responsible, and who was it that owned Saginaw Bay?).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 13, 2015, 12:32:58 PM
Quote from: D on February 12, 2015, 10:13:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9sXh8CCQAASSLg.png)

So BriWu thinks Law & Order SVU is real life.
I swear, I think Wraith was being far to kind to her.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on February 13, 2015, 01:52:06 PM
Who is wraith ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 13, 2015, 06:19:29 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 13, 2015, 12:32:58 PM
I swear, I think Wraith was being far to kind to her.

He acknowledges his efforts were wasted.  He just wanted to give it a shot.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 13, 2015, 07:44:04 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on February 13, 2015, 01:52:06 PM
Who is Wraith?
http://msfhwraith.deviantart.com/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on February 14, 2015, 01:31:22 AM
Ohh boy the folks at Cracked REALLY don't understand contract law the worst example is #2 in this list (http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_1320_18-terrifying-things-hidden-in-fine-print-youve-agreed-to_p3/)


This confusion would've been resolved by reading the actual opinion AT&T v Concepcion (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-893.pdf):

Section 2 of the Federal Arbitration
Act (FAA) makes agreements to
arbitrate "valid, irrevocable, and enforce
-able,save upon such grounds as exist
at law or in equity for the revocation of
any contract.
"

Meaning "you'll have to take it to arbitration, unless they (the company who wrote the contract) defraud you or commit other criminal acts under the guise of or while breaking said contract."  Even if said criminal activity didn't occur, it can still be taken to court albiet after a court ordered an arbitration for which the guilty party didn't show up for.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on February 14, 2015, 02:56:26 PM
https://imgur.com/a/Adnid

No normal person, hell no character in the marvel universe would say this cornball dialogue (except maybe deadpool, but only ironically or as a 4th wall joke.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 14, 2015, 03:55:40 PM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on February 14, 2015, 02:56:26 PM
https://imgur.com/a/Adnid

No normal person, hell no character in the marvel universe would say this cornball dialogue (except maybe deadpool, but only ironically or as a 4th wall joke.)
Saw this from BlameThe1st.  Yeah, I stopped reading as soon as I saw the critics portrayed as a literal troll.  I mean, come on! XD
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on February 14, 2015, 04:01:32 PM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on February 14, 2015, 02:56:26 PM
https://imgur.com/a/Adnid

*facepalm*

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 14, 2015, 05:37:55 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 14, 2015, 03:55:40 PM
Saw this from BlameThe1st.  Yeah, I stopped reading as soon as I saw the critics portrayed as a literal troll.  I mean, come on! XD

Could you specif where that happened?  There's no literal trolls anywhere in the pages at the link.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 14, 2015, 05:50:23 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on February 14, 2015, 05:37:55 PM
Could you specif where that happened?  There's no literal trolls anywhere in the pages at the link.
That thing she-thor is beating up isn't a literal troll? *shrugs*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on February 14, 2015, 06:07:45 PM
Seems to be this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorbing_Man
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 14, 2015, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 14, 2015, 05:50:23 PM
That thing she-thor is beating up isn't a literal troll? *shrugs*

That's Crusher Kreel, a.k.a. The Absorbing Man.  He's a human, with a nifty power courtesy of Loki.  He was a normal, although violent, human criminal until Loki decided to make him into a weapon against Thor.  He's got a general dislike of heroes, having had a number of humiliating defeats.  (He was essentially outwitted by the Hulk, back when the Hulk was still pretty stupid, which explains why a guy who can take on the properties of anything he touches gets beat down regularly.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 16, 2015, 12:42:56 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s526x395/11009219_938846792822451_5166510306098985702_n.jpg?oh=12d64f87a2b8990e81cc3ad7e16617ee&oe=5550DB4A&__gda__=1431955116_d2cc74e8a784abcd39ed2ed83633ff37)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 16, 2015, 09:53:38 PM
"EVERYONE IS WRONG IN SAYING FEMALE THOR ISN'T MEANT TO PANDER TO FEMINISTS GUYS"

Suuuuuure.

(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11006423_344030675803983_3287750332603151242_n.jpg?oh=71140fcfa4490a6ed453760c07d5eac2&oe=554C1FED)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on February 16, 2015, 10:03:53 PM
Quote from: D on February 16, 2015, 09:53:38 PM
"EVERYONE IS WRONG IN SAYING FEMALE THOR ISN'T MEANT TO PANDER TO FEMINISTS GUYS"

Suuuuuure.

(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11006423_344030675803983_3287750332603151242_n.jpg?oh=71140fcfa4490a6ed453760c07d5eac2&oe=554C1FED)

I posted this like one page ago. Im glad you dont find my content important enoguh to read *bricked* xD
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 16, 2015, 10:09:49 PM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on February 16, 2015, 10:03:53 PM
I posted this like one page ago. Im glad you dont find my content important enoguh to read *bricked* xD

Meh. Didn't see it. Either way, the pandering is ridiculous enough it deserves to be posted twice.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on February 17, 2015, 08:10:23 AM
Check out how JF Sargent just vomits all over himself in his latest article on "Video Game Addiction"

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-we-need-to-take-video-game-addiction-seriously/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 17, 2015, 08:24:24 AM
Yes and we also need to take a serious look at pulp novel addiction! Serielized Magazine story addiction! Bard song addictions. and Epic Poem addictions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 17, 2015, 08:52:51 PM
This is why feminist shouldn't create anything!!!
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 17, 2015, 10:26:32 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 18, 2015, 12:36:33 PM
http://fabiusmaximus.com/2015/02/17/bankers-libertarians-price-controls-libertarians-78845/

And he doesn't get any better in the comments even after being corrected...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 19, 2015, 07:19:50 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/EJi0rvO.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 19, 2015, 09:12:53 AM
Wow. Just MENTION the Whiskey Rebellion and the state-worshippers come out in droves: https://plus.google.com/100197545745919590620/posts/VZ3Zwat7rcA
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 19, 2015, 05:56:30 PM
(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/s720x720/10974381_925418944157829_6288653533021411641_o.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on February 19, 2015, 10:57:13 PM
How To Stop Rape (http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-stop-rape)

QuoteI thought about this problem and am sure I have the solution: make rape legal if done on private property. I propose that we make the violent taking of a woman not punishable by law when done off public grounds.

The exception for public rape is aimed at those seedy and deranged men who randomly select their rape victims on alleys and jogging trails, but not as a mechanism to prevent those rapes, since the verdict is still out if punishment stops a committed criminal mind, but to have a way to keep them off the streets. For all other rapes, however, especially if done in a dwelling or on private property, any and all rape that happens should be completely legal.

If rape becomes legal under my proposal, a girl will protect her body in the same manner that she protects her purse and smartphone. If rape becomes legal, a girl will not enter an impaired state of mind where she can't resist being dragged off to a bedroom with a man who she is unsure of—she'll scream, yell, or kick at his attempt while bystanders are still around. If rape becomes legal, she will never be unchaperoned with a man she doesn't want to sleep with. After several months of advertising this law throughout the land, rape would be virtually eliminated on the first day it is applied.

Without daddy government to protect her, a girl would absolutely not enter a private room with a man she doesn't know or trust unless she is absolutely sure she is ready to sleep with him. Consent is now achieved when she passes underneath the room's door frame, because she knows that that man can legally do anything he wants to her when it comes to sex. Bad encounters are sure to occur, but these can be learning experiences for the poorly trained woman so she can better identify in the future the type of good man who will treat her like the delicate flower that she believes she is. After only one such sour experience, she will actually want to get fully acquainted with a man for longer than two hours—perhaps even demanding to meet his parents—instead of letting a beer chug prevent her from making the correct decisions to protect her body.

I'm all against rape hysteria. I'm all for limited government. I'm all for private property rights. BUT THIS? This is just...no, just no! Private property rights do not work that way!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on February 19, 2015, 11:24:56 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on February 19, 2015, 10:57:13 PM
How To Stop Rape (http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-stop-rape)

I'm all against rape hysteria. I'm all for limited government. I'm all for private property rights. BUT THIS? This is just...no, just no! Private property rights do not work that way!

Excuse me for a second....

(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130302231122/glee/images/f/f5/Facewall_1.gif)

....okay all better now

I nominate this asshole for Idiot Extraordinaire.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 20, 2015, 12:13:41 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on February 19, 2015, 10:57:13 PM
How To Stop Rape (http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-stop-rape)

I'm all against rape hysteria. I'm all for limited government. I'm all for private property rights. BUT THIS? This is just...no, just no! Private property rights do not work that way!

Agreed. She owns herself, and by raping her he violates her property rights. This is the kind of insanity you get when you don't go from first principles (shameless self-promotion!):

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on February 20, 2015, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 20, 2015, 12:13:41 PM
Agreed. She owns herself, and by raping her he violates her property rights. This is the kind of insanity you get when you don't go from first principles (shameless self-promotion!):

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Why the Hell are they bringing up Quantum Mechanics in the comments section?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 20, 2015, 02:21:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-T3uvKIYAAB6Ck.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 20, 2015, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: D on September 01, 2014, 11:19:13 PM
During the conversation they had in the spirit world, when Zaheer made his goal clear that he wanted a world without governments, Korra's reaction was that it would bring the world into chaos. It wasn't, "That's a good idea but you're doing it wrong" or "I agree with the goal but disagree with the method on how to achieve that goal." Nowhere was it ever made clear that Zaheer's final goals were anything but a road to disorder and chaos. Again, they even have him flat out say that disorder is the ultimate form of balance. If there is a message that this arc had it was that while tyrannical governments are bad, having no governments is also bad.

Without posting spoilers, is Season 4 any better?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 20, 2015, 03:20:35 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on February 20, 2015, 02:28:43 PM
Without posting spoilers, is Season 4 any better?

Season 4 is basically the opposite scenario. Instead of an anarchist, it's a militant totalitarian.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on February 20, 2015, 05:45:14 PM
Fox News being ridiculous again:

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300 Marines you say?  Oh wait I know the tagline for this

THIS IS IIIRRRRAAAAAAQ!!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on February 20, 2015, 11:24:37 PM
Quote from: D on February 20, 2015, 03:20:35 PM
Season 4 is basically the opposite scenario. Instead of an anarchist, it's a militant totalitarian.
So not a whole lot of consistency, but the show is still pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 21, 2015, 07:33:04 AM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on February 20, 2015, 11:24:37 PM
So not a whole lot of consistency, but the show is still pretty awesome.

I think overall, Season 3 was the best season, but 4 was pretty good too (minus the pandering ending.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on February 21, 2015, 01:46:10 PM
"most valueable critic-" For shitty journalist with an agenda

btw this druckman guy is a dev for Naughtydog

(https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11002620_1577104519203381_2414203477058759991_n.jpg?oh=22119ee523908efd5bd9d6bdd0bb3724&oe=558E7248)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 21, 2015, 03:17:51 PM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on February 21, 2015, 01:46:10 PM
"most valueable critic-" For shitty journalist with an agenda

btw this druckman guy is a dev for Naughtydog

(https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11002620_1577104519203381_2414203477058759991_n.jpg?oh=22119ee523908efd5bd9d6bdd0bb3724&oe=558E7248)

Wow, does Rolling Stone's editorial staff have ANY ability to detect even the most obvious frauds and conflicts of interest?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on February 22, 2015, 12:13:21 PM
Thought you guys might find that funny :
https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/569229908779663361
Brianna Wu is at it again !
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on February 22, 2015, 12:56:43 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on February 22, 2015, 12:13:21 PM
Thought you guys might find that funny :
https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/569229908779663361
Brianna Wu is at it again !

Sarin Gas?  PAX?

It's official, Brianna Wu has gone rogue.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 22, 2015, 05:46:35 PM
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-dk3l0c8WGLs/VOgBJ8-c_-I/AAAAAAAAcT8/Cp6fAgiMVOo/s480-no/A%2BLesson%2BIn%2BEconomic%2BHistory.jpg)
I can hear the more history savvy people on the board (e.g. Shane) cringing as they read that gruesome tripe posted in the image.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 23, 2015, 03:43:38 AM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on February 21, 2015, 01:46:10 PM
"most valueable critic-" For shitty journalist with an agenda

btw this druckman guy is a dev for Naughtydog

(https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11002620_1577104519203381_2414203477058759991_n.jpg?oh=22119ee523908efd5bd9d6bdd0bb3724&oe=558E7248)
If this women didn't exist I could probably finish The Last of Us.
I just can't enjoy it anymore.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on February 23, 2015, 08:28:43 PM
(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/14724_1599438360274586_2992108073686620066_n.jpg?oh=4cc9b21e10bf007fca6a014e24cf9d99&oe=5591CF45)

Normally I'm not the kind of guy to say something like this but...

>post yourself looking sexy
>tell people not to make comments about how sexy you look


That's just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 23, 2015, 09:10:07 PM
I know I keep reposting this b ut the comments of this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrGdEwV-efs) video but the video is not only insanely idiotic but the comments are laughably stupid. and they keep getting worse. here's one of the latest examples.


QuoteIt's amazing how many people commenting here clearly know absolutely nothing about modern economics, nor the state of the current wealth distribution.  Anyone who thinks that people who produce nothing of value for humanity (people who make money off of speculation [essentially by driving up prices...actually hurting the majority], people who make money off of usury, people who retain money by avoiding paying their share of the taxes that pay for the roads and services that they benefit from) deserve extreme wealth more than people who provide vital services for humanity (teachers, farmers, sewage workers, water treatment personnel, etc.) has a serious mental problem.  Stop drinking the Fox News Kool-Aid.

Theft is, at its roots, the taking of something which doesn't belong to you.  McDonalds makes huge profits partially by paying their employees so little that full-time employees qualify for benefits.  They essentially have shifted the burden of paying their work force partially onto the tax payer.  Monsanto makes its money partially by suing farmers whose fields have, through no fault of their own, become contaminated with Monsanto's patented seeds.  In a sane society, these actions would not be allowed.  McDonalds, relying on its labor force for its business would pay them enough that their employees could rely on their employers for meeting their basic needs.  Even slave owners supplied their work force with places to live and food to eat.  McDonalds gives less to its employees than slave owners gave to their slaves.

Here's some interesting facts.  When a loan is issued, the bank essentially creates that money from nothing.  The money comes into existence at the point the loan is issued.  This means that the money doesn't really exist.  Money is supposed to be a stand in for actual valuable resources.  So, when a bank loans you money, they are really giving you access to real resources that the bank itself possesses.  In this case, the bank doesn't possess any resources except that of the public perception of the bank's stability...its image.  It costs the bank nothing to issue you a loan.  It merely appears on a balance sheet.  No actual work is done to produce this money.  If, however, you cannot pay this loan back, they will take the objects that you have spent actual labor in acquiring, such as a house.  They give you imaginary money and take real assets back.  The bank always wins.

There is a common conception that the poor have just as much opportunity to be rich as the rich do.  Every study done on the matter, however, shows that it is much more difficult to rise out of poverty than this conception would imply.  The jobs available in low-income areas often have little opportunity for advancement.  They are dead-end jobs.  Also, because competition for limited work is often quite fierce in low-income areas, employers can often get away with paying less money than a living wage (which in a compassionate world would be unthinkable), forcing people to take on multiple jobs in order to make ends meet.  This, of course, increases the competition for jobs.  In the end, the more motivated and intelligent people in low-income areas may often have more than one job while many people can't find a single job.  This lack of gainful employment creates the need for alternate economies, and so gangs and drug dealers, pimps and prostitutes find a niche there. 

Most importantly, the stress of being poor increases ones susceptibility to illness, psychological disorders, substance abuse, and a host of other ills.  A sane species would realize that poverty hurts everyone and wouldn't think twice about taking money away from those who have more than they can ever spend to remove a social problem which causes crime and other symptoms which spill over into everyone's lives.  We, however, are not a sane species.  We are a species of people who are adept at ignoring facts and believing what is repeated rather than what the evidence supports.  We are amazing at rationalizing our beliefs in order to avoid cognitive dissonance, and exceptionally good at shutting down empathy so that we can use our iPhones and drink our lattes in peace while the mentally disabled stumble around us, homeless and hopeless.  In these last bits, I'm as guilty as anyone, because the actual depth of daily human suffering on this planet is so astounding in its intensity that it almost paralyzes me.  So, I shut down and distract myself with the internet, or video games, or some other activity designed to numb me to the pain and sorrow of billions of people trapped in war zones, kept in abusive relationships, incarcerated for victimless crimes, forced to work for almost nothing in companies they hate, being evicted from property that will end up sitting vacant simply because they don't have little slips of paper, watching their communities be torn down in order to build another place for people to buy things that they don't need, watching their children die of malnutrition or disease, getting forced into militias in war-torn nations, and worse.

So, if you think that the 99% is mad because they desperately want to live opulently while others starve, all that means is that you're so disconnected from basic mammalian empathy that you can't even imagine what it might look like in others.  Congratulations, you're a sociopath.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on February 23, 2015, 09:39:06 PM
Quote from: tnu on February 23, 2015, 09:10:07 PM
I know I keep reposting this b ut the comments of this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrGdEwV-efs) video but the video is not only insanely idiotic but the comments are laughably stupid. and they keep getting worse. here's one of the latest examples.

What? Where did that quote come from?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 24, 2015, 01:53:09 AM
just...fuck...

[yt]FtJ-OEnKwUU[/yt]

Now, Sargon isn't the guy who fails here. Not even the Pakistani community--the elders were demanding action. You know who fails? the fucking cunts who runs the government fail--and beyond that even. This is just evil.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on February 24, 2015, 09:46:48 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on February 23, 2015, 09:39:06 PM
What? Where did that quote come from?

From the comments of the video I linked.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on February 26, 2015, 01:30:48 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/p480x480/11021277_798028616956861_1129917687043242038_n.jpg?oh=5c4be3043b2e3a7b0c608ba4631b885e&oe=558DA8FC&__gda__=1435574476_ea5eccb720ce90d7e7f04dbb5f5b534f)
I'd rather tell him to go fuck himself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 26, 2015, 05:30:01 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on February 26, 2015, 01:30:48 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/p480x480/11021277_798028616956861_1129917687043242038_n.jpg?oh=5c4be3043b2e3a7b0c608ba4631b885e&oe=558DA8FC&__gda__=1435574476_ea5eccb720ce90d7e7f04dbb5f5b534f)

So you guys respected George Bush when the same could be said about him?

Didn't think so, rules for thee but not for me is the order of the day with the left as always.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 27, 2015, 06:45:45 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on February 26, 2015, 05:30:01 PM
So you guys respected George Bush when the same could be said about him?

Didn't think so, rules for thee but not for me is the order of the day with the left as always.
^QFT.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 27, 2015, 06:53:33 PM
https://twitter.com/chipfoxx/status/571456040937480192
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 01, 2015, 02:34:32 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on February 26, 2015, 05:30:01 PM
So you guys respected George Bush when the same could be said about him?

Didn't think so, rules for thee but not for me is the order of the day with the left as always.

Za Stalina!!

(wait, sorry, wrong government :P)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 01, 2015, 04:16:43 AM
SJWs feel the need to ruin everything.

(http://8ch.net/v/src/1425174402468-1.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 01, 2015, 08:10:18 AM
Quote from: D on March 01, 2015, 04:16:43 AM
SJWs feel the need to ruin everything.

There's a perfectly good reason why NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE (amazing how they ignore that aspect of it and just focus on the female) characters have realistic proportions: if you don't animate them just right, it doesn't look good.

Look at The Incredibles. The proportions are COMPLETELY unrealistic (albeit in a different way), and yet when you're watching it you completely buy that these are characters and nothing seems wrong to you. Compare that with the Final Fantasy movies: the proportions, everything is absolutely perfect! If you look at a single frame of one of the movies you'd swear it was a photograph. Yet AS SOON AS SOMEONE MOVES, it looks aritificial and ruins the illusion.

The more realistically they resemble us, the more we notice tiny little imperfections in how they move. Until the technology gets to the point where we can accurately simulate the movement of every little muscle and ligament (which we can't even do with modern motion-capture systems), they'll HAVE to be idealized or disproportionate in some way.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 01, 2015, 08:36:01 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 01, 2015, 08:10:18 AM
There's a perfectly good reason why NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE (amazing how they ignore that aspect of it and just focus on the female) characters have realistic proportions: if you don't animate them just right, it doesn't look good.

Look at The Incredibles. The proportions are COMPLETELY unrealistic (albeit in a different way), and yet when you're watching it you completely buy that these are characters and nothing seems wrong to you. Compare that with the Final Fantasy movies: the proportions, everything is absolutely perfect! If you look at a single frame of one of the movies you'd swear it was a photograph. Yet AS SOON AS SOMEONE MOVES, it looks aritificial and ruins the illusion.

The more realistically they resemble us, the more we notice tiny little imperfections in how they move. Until the technology gets to the point where we can accurately simulate the movement of every little muscle and ligament (which we can't even do with modern motion-capture systems), they'll HAVE to be idealized or disproportionate in some way.

Odd that you should put it that way.

The tools they use over at Dreamworks DO model the way the muscles, skeleton, etc. move as the characters move, and they build the restrictions and consequences directly into the motion rules.  That's why they get such good results even with minimally stylized characters like the humans in the Shrek series.

The guys that made Final Fantasy tried to use motion capture as a short cut.  It worked quite well for the basic motion, but because they used low-quality tools to go from that to final character animation (they used an off-the-shelf desktop animation program with a MoCap import feature), they didn't have character models with the ability to correctly mimic how the bodies would actually move.  The result is something that looks a bit like human bodies used as marionettes.  (And Dr. Ross ended up with a really weird walk.  She looks like she's walking in high heels, even through she wears sensible flat-soled boots.  They used the same actress for MoCap on her and Jane, and gave her a different movement for Ross by having her wear high heels.  A more sensible approach would have been to put ankle wights on her, which would have reflected Jane's heavier footwear.  As long as they didn't move exactly the same way, nobody would have noticed.  I noticed something was wrong with Ross's walk when she was in the ruins just before the Depp Eyes show up, which is a bad thing to have in the movie's opening.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 01, 2015, 08:48:19 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 01, 2015, 08:36:01 AM
The tools they use over at Dreamworks DO model the way the muscles, skeleton, etc. move as the characters move, and they build the restrictions and consequences directly into the motion rules.  That's why they get such good results even with minimally stylized characters like the humans in the Shrek series.

Not anywhere close to full detail. And notice that you still have the problems in the Shrek movies of the humans "looking wrong" when they move. It's getting better, but we're still at the point where the best movies have to stylize the humans in some way.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 01, 2015, 09:23:03 AM
Of course, they also could just accept the fact that some people find it enjoyable to play these characters the way they are designed and that it is not hurting anybody ... With or without a good quality animation.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on March 01, 2015, 02:03:27 PM
So this bit of fail from Conrad Hackett got retweeted to me:

Blue states have more people in college housing, red states more people in prisons & jails (https://twitter.com/conradhackett/status/572028520118919168)
Source: http://www.vox.com/2015/1/21/7865887/map-prison-college (http://www.vox.com/2015/1/21/7865887/map-prison-college)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_BA6HqUsAAf7qJ.png)

So, let's ignore for a brief moment that college housing and incarceration aren't really comparable. Did you notice that, for example, heavily democrat California is a Red State before I just mentioned it? Yeah, the red and blue on this map don't indicate political leaning at all -- red = more ppl in jail, blue = more ppl in college housing. To its credit, the source Hackett cites even says as much.

Hacket, however, is clearly trying to make a political statement, given that his twitter feed (https://twitter.com/conradhackett) looks like nothing but the "statistics" rank-and-file democrats (among others) use to support their arguments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 01, 2015, 02:27:17 PM
https://app.actionsprout.com/opengraph/action/6482?fb_action_ids=10203301693892330&fb_action_types=actionsprout%3Asign&fb_ref=as_action%3A6482
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 01, 2015, 03:56:20 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/s720x720/11045363_617756658325124_5003614995718243957_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 01, 2015, 07:34:50 PM
Quote from: D on March 01, 2015, 03:56:20 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/s720x720/11045363_617756658325124_5003614995718243957_o.jpg)

uh...how? both sides agreed to it, so where's the problem?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 01, 2015, 07:42:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_DYQizU8AAp_4s.jpg:large)

>all of this

Does she even listen to herself?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 02, 2015, 12:49:59 AM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 01, 2015, 03:56:20 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/s720x720/11045363_617756658325124_5003614995718243957_o.jpg)
...
#BroDoYouEvenBasicFuckingLogic #BroDoYouEvenDictionary
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 02, 2015, 04:24:16 AM
http://uk.businessinsider.com/what-is-blue-and-how-do-we-see-color-2015-2
We couldn't see blue until modern times?!? Really?!?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 02, 2015, 07:20:02 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 02, 2015, 04:24:16 AM
http://uk.businessinsider.com/what-is-blue-and-how-do-we-see-color-2015-2
We couldn't see blue until modern times?!? Really?!?

Notice this is from a group of islands famed since ancient times as the place where there are people known as "The People Who Paint Themselves BLUE", and for centuries (starting in the Middle Ages and going right through to the development of synthetic dyes) was one of the principle sources of natural indigo dye, and was during Tudor times wool dyed with it was one of the main exports of the UK.  A brief bit of research shows that woad has been found in use as a dye source for just about as long as there have been records of dyes, and the plant was clearly being cultivated well back into prehistory in Europe.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 02, 2015, 08:29:44 AM
Yeah something's funny in this article ...

The part about the experiment with the Himba sounds kinda stupid to me. The hypothesis here is that the Himbas consider the blue as part of the green spectrum. Which is a reasonable conclusion to the fact that they can't decide if one square is more different than the others when there are 10 different greens and 1 blue. But the fact that they are better at discriminating between very close shades of green is irrelevant to the purpose of the experiment and to the article ...

And it still doesn't explain why Homer uses weird colors to describe the world of the Odyssey. Because even without the blue, the colors are all wrong. The yellow is in the light green-strong red spectrum so the honey should still appear yellow for someone who can't see shit in the blue spectrum. The wine-dark color of the sea doesn't necessitate any other color than red ... And the sheeps ... Well, who the fuck will crack that riddle lol. For all we know he changed the colors on purpose.

Add to that, as Evensgrey says, that the blue color have been found in a lot of ancient places ...

The whole argumentation of the article is, let's say "off-balance".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 02, 2015, 09:24:01 AM
We've been able to see blue since our aquatic ancestors. Red was the holdout; we didn't get that until our ancestors evolved into primates.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 02, 2015, 01:18:34 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on March 02, 2015, 08:29:44 AM
And it still doesn't explain why Homer uses weird colors to describe the world of the Odyssey. Because even without the blue, the colors are all wrong. The yellow is in the light green-strong red spectrum so the honey should still appear yellow for someone who can't see shit in the blue spectrum. The wine-dark color of the sea doesn't necessitate any other color than red ... And the sheeps ... Well, who the fuck will crack that riddle lol. For all we know he changed the colors on purpose.

I think I know the answer to that, and it's basically the same reason why characters in anime have wild, and often impossible without dye, hair colors:  The form is highly stylized.

While a lot of the stylism in Anime is more or less because that's the way it's done (and got borrowed from kabuki theater because it was both familiar to the primary audience at the start of the form, it looked like the manga that were the source material, and, possibly most important of all, it was cheaper to use many of the stylisms than not to), Homer had a practical reason as well:  The poems were originally recited from memory, so the way things were said was stylized so that the story could be kept in more or less the same form from telling to telling.  This meant that much of the wording is made up of stock phrases that are easily fit to the meter and rhyming scheme IN GREEK.  Perhaps the Greek word for blue didn't RHYME with anything, while the word for violet happens to rhyme with a word that often shows up in association with sheep.

I took a classical literature course in university that covered The Illiad, and this was the given explanation for why the phrasing is often really weird, with many characters being given a stock epithet that doesn't always fit into the situation being described.  (Incidentally, this is a large part of why you go to university if you do go, because you get a chance to take weird courses like that.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 02, 2015, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 02, 2015, 09:24:01 AM
We've been able to see blue since our aquatic ancestors. Red was the holdout; we didn't get that until our ancestors evolved into primates.

What ? So late ? Damn.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 02, 2015, 02:44:04 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 02, 2015, 01:18:34 PM
I think I know the answer to that, and it's basically the same reason why characters in anime have wild, and often impossible without dye, hair colors:  The form is highly stylized.

[...]


Well that makes much more sense.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 02, 2015, 03:27:23 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on March 02, 2015, 02:41:22 PM
What ? So late ? Damn.

Well, we didn't get red BACK until our ancestors evolved into primates (most of whom have fruit as a major dietary component, and fruits often signal being ripe by changing to a color like red).

See, mammals went through this long nocturnal phase and we lost color vision in favor of low-light vision.  Once the dinos were gone, we were able to come out into the light again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 02, 2015, 08:01:26 PM
(http://i2.wp.com/www.leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/concise.png)

Wow talk about the most ridiculous reducto ad absurdium.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 03, 2015, 01:34:26 AM
[yt]brnpRhjJl8w[/yt]
SJW: So anti-racist that they fucking go full fucking circle.
Fuck this guy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 03, 2015, 12:33:08 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/16187_799036140189442_1467532874998249035_n.png?oh=ceaaa0863679616ab2af1b00bd13bfc9&oe=559468BC&__gda__=1433686243_c14f547c3a61c7efe37b3ac49be19669)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 03, 2015, 01:20:59 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 03, 2015, 12:33:08 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/16187_799036140189442_1467532874998249035_n.png?oh=ceaaa0863679616ab2af1b00bd13bfc9&oe=559468BC&__gda__=1433686243_c14f547c3a61c7efe37b3ac49be19669)

HISTORIC Low?

Point #2-Strawman, they're less apt to move up the economic ladder
Point #3-Citation needed
Point #4-What makes you think American society would let people starve without a food stamp program (cuz you know the 'stimulative' effect)?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 03, 2015, 02:16:58 PM
Brianna Wu continuing to be insane.

(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10393919_858408750889988_1385909562617407710_n.png?oh=e1a96864bf618a7dfa01993d1dcb4261&oe=5590CF5E)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 04, 2015, 08:29:04 AM
Brianna Wu actually acts reasonable and treats GamerGate people like human beings, attempting to talk to us and well, that didn't sit well with the aGGros.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_O63MYUsAA3H56.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 04, 2015, 09:31:08 AM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 04, 2015, 08:29:04 AM
Brianna Wu actually acts reasonable and treats GamerGate people like human beings, attempting to talk to us and well, that didn't sit well with the aGGros.

So the ONE time she does something at least pseudo-decent, her "allies" crucify her.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 04, 2015, 01:25:41 PM
And when you know about the reason why they don't like that guy, it becomes even worse in my opinion ...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 04, 2015, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 04, 2015, 09:31:08 AM
So the ONE time she does something at least pseudo-decent, her "allies" crucify her.

Yep. They're turning on her hardcore. She even lost patrons on her Patreon account over it.

She was making over $7000 a month and it's been reduced significantly since (https://www.patreon.com/user?u=439829).

Also, more aGGro salt.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_Nv1QaUoAEMF9J.jpg)

Here's a piece with the full story (http://theralphretort.com/intolerant-antis-turn-on-brianna-wu-over-brad-wardell-truce-0303015/).

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 04, 2015, 03:24:42 PM
what is "cis scum"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 04, 2015, 03:35:07 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on March 04, 2015, 03:24:42 PM
what is "cis scum"?

Cis is short for cisgendered, which basically means you are comfortable with the gender you were born with and are not transgendered.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 04, 2015, 05:19:56 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 04, 2015, 03:35:07 PM
Cis is short for cisgendered, which basically means you are comfortable with the gender you were born with and are not transgendered.

Now, here's an interesting question for the SJW's (who never think about consequences of their statements):  Is someone with chronic androgen insensitivity syndrome cis or trans?  They've got male genetics, male primary sex organs, and only some female secondary sex organs (no uterus or fallopian tubes, they need a female hormone environment during fetal development or they degenerate).  They are, in a very real sense, intersex, a category that doesn't fit in the cis/trans false dichotomy.  (There, we've just demonstrated that SJW's are trying to put people into inapplicable gender categories because they don't care what gender really is.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 04, 2015, 05:54:05 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 04, 2015, 05:19:56 PM
Now, here's an interesting question for the SJW's (who never think about consequences of their statements):  Is someone with chronic androgen insensitivity syndrome cis or trans?  They've got male genetics, male primary sex organs, and only some female secondary sex organs (no uterus or fallopian tubes, they need a female hormone environment during fetal development or they degenerate).  They are, in a very real sense, intersex, a category that doesn't fit in the cis/trans false dichotomy.  (There, we've just demonstrated that SJW's are trying to put people into inapplicable gender categories because they don't care what gender really is.)

They would argue that the person is whatever gender they want it to be and probably just lump them in the trans category, even though it makes absolutely no sense.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 04, 2015, 07:00:34 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 04, 2015, 01:43:35 PM
Yep. They're turning on her hardcore. She even lost patrons on her Patreon account over it.

She was making over $7000 a month and it's been reduced significantly since (https://www.patreon.com/user?u=439829).


Actually, she lost 10000 at once (or so it seems, maybe only one rich patron), and went from 13k+ to 3k+ way before the shitstorm over her having coffee with the Stardock guy. Maybe over a month ago or so.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 05, 2015, 01:01:50 AM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 04, 2015, 01:43:35 PM
Yep. They're turning on her hardcore. She even lost patrons on her Patreon account over it.

She was making over $7000 a month and it's been reduced significantly since (https://www.patreon.com/user?u=439829).

Also, more aGGro salt.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_Nv1QaUoAEMF9J.jpg)

Here's a piece with the full story (http://theralphretort.com/intolerant-antis-turn-on-brianna-wu-over-brad-wardell-truce-0303015/).
It almost makes me feel sorry for her.  Like a lot of the folks into Social Justice/anti-GamerGate are just doing it to fit in.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 05, 2015, 06:32:14 AM
[yt]eEDCcdjgMNs[/yt]

Not sure if I would call this racist. It was a stupid comment, but racist? I think that might be reaching.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 05, 2015, 06:51:02 AM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 05, 2015, 06:32:14 AM
[yt]eEDCcdjgMNs[/yt]

Not sure if I would call this racist. It was a stupid comment, but racist? I think that might be reaching.

How can it be racist if he never mentioned a race?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 05, 2015, 06:53:33 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 05, 2015, 06:51:02 AM
How can it be racist if he never mentioned a race?

Because of implications apparently. #GamerGate is screaming from the hill tops that mocking #NotYourShield is racist/sexist and implying that they don't exist by using a sock puppet.

This might be one case (among others) where I'm calling #GamerGate's bullshit on this one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 05, 2015, 08:40:14 AM
So this was made:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_VW5TsWcAEJB2g.jpg)

I asked for a source and the reply I got was "it's an implication" as opposed to an actual quote. I really hate when people do that shit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on March 05, 2015, 09:31:28 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Lm1248X.jpg)

Psst! Whoever created this meme: Ronnie gave weapons to the militants who would become the Taliban, and gave CIA training to Osama Bin Laden.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 05, 2015, 09:48:48 AM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 05, 2015, 06:53:33 AM
Because of implications apparently. #GamerGate is screaming from the hill tops that mocking #NotYourShield is racist/sexist and implying that they don't exist by using a sock puppet.

This might be one case (among others) where I'm calling #GamerGate's bullshit on this one.

It's difficult to honestly call that racist/sexist, but there's an argument to be made, I think, that IF you follow the same kind of reasoning he and others of his friends use about sexism, then it could be called out as racist/sexist, because in their own words, being dismissive of an experience of a minority, whatever the validty of the argument made from it, you are racist/sexist. This kind of justification have been used a lot these past months, and naturally, people have noticed some form of irony.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 05, 2015, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 05, 2015, 09:31:28 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Lm1248X.jpg)

Psst! Whoever created this meme: Ronnie gave weapons to the militants who would become the Taliban, and gave CIA training to Osama Bin Laden.

there's also the fact that Isis is pronounced "eye-sis"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 05, 2015, 05:40:12 PM
(https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11046500_858115174244626_5519770784969393478_n.jpg?oh=a72bc4bf3a5224d6a96b367c3fe93708&oe=55918081)


So than being thin harms fat people so the act of simply being thin is wrong? everybody should be fat?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 05, 2015, 06:02:26 PM
What bothers me most about that picture is the fact that they bother to cover up the name and image of the person who said it.

If you say something retarded on something public like the internet, you deserve the shame that comes with it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 05, 2015, 06:43:21 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 05, 2015, 06:02:26 PM
What bothers me most about that picture is the fact that they bother to cover up the name and image of the person who said it.

If you say something retarded on something public like the internet, you deserve the shame that comes with it.

Agreed.

I said that on a GG video that posted some idiotic and even abusive and threatening anti-GG tweets and Facebook posts, and made that same point. The anti-GGers said that that would be "doxxing."

I have NO patience for them...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 05, 2015, 07:26:44 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 05, 2015, 06:43:21 PM
Agreed.

I said that on a GG video that posted some idiotic and even abusive and threatening anti-GG tweets and Facebook posts, and made that same point. The anti-GGers said that that would be "doxxing."

I have NO patience for them...

How the fuck is it doxxing when you post information that the person themselves already posted on the internet to begin with? That makes no fucking sense, then again considering the people we're dealing with, I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 05, 2015, 08:54:31 PM
I'm pretty certain Lilian Woods is a troll, but regardless.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_YLmQPW8AAaKGh.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 06, 2015, 01:10:19 AM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 05, 2015, 07:26:44 PM
How the fuck is it doxxing when you post information that the person themselves already posted on the internet to begin with? That makes no fucking sense, then again considering the people we're dealing with, I'm not surprised.
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 05, 2015, 06:43:21 PM
Agreed.

I said that on a GG video that posted some idiotic and even abusive and threatening anti-GG tweets and Facebook posts, and made that same point. The anti-GGers said that that would be "doxxing."

I have NO patience for them...
No surprises here.  Of course, this is the same group that defends a woman who doxxed the head of a charity, so...weee double standards.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 06, 2015, 04:59:02 AM
http://benswann.com/new-study-draws-connections-between-water-fluoridation-and-adhd-in-children/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 06, 2015, 02:06:29 PM
Every post (https://twitter.com/IronFury51488/status/573460070786191360/photo/1) by Zanzibar B. McFate
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 06, 2015, 07:28:26 PM
Apparently Brianna Wu had her transwoman status revoked because she acted like a decent human being for once.
(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1689856_862139503852890_4362999459730089260_n.jpg?oh=7f9a64c01c032a9467006c083e395c22&oe=5589E2E8)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 07, 2015, 11:21:38 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_ge7QtUIAA3SGN.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 07, 2015, 01:49:54 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 07, 2015, 11:21:38 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_ge7QtUIAA3SGN.jpg)

Apparently, he IS one to use sexual violence imagery...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 07, 2015, 06:18:42 PM
[yt]8VG72nIR3E8[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 07, 2015, 07:10:49 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 07, 2015, 06:18:42 PM
[yt]8VG72nIR3E8[/yt]

And then there's her comment: "I look forward to a calm and intelligent conversation in the comments ha ha j/k not reading them."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 07, 2015, 07:19:34 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 07, 2015, 07:10:49 PM
And then there's her comment: "I look forward to a calm and intelligent conversation in the comments ha ha j/k not reading them."

At this point, I'm not entirely sure why the internet atheist community even deals with her. She's a proven instigator and troublemaker.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 07, 2015, 07:29:52 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 07, 2015, 07:19:34 PM
At this point, I'm not entirely sure why the internet atheist community even deals with her. She's a proven instigator and troublemaker.

Because Atheism+.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 07, 2015, 09:47:49 PM
So apparently PAX is now run by puritans.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_iGInxUwAAEQwK.png)

What the fuck is an "aggressive display of cleavage?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 07, 2015, 10:41:25 PM
The fail isn't so much from the people posting, but from the effect that social justice warriors are starting to have on gaming.
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/10h8wm0.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 08, 2015, 12:21:23 AM
[yt]5kvzamjQW9M[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 08, 2015, 02:39:10 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 07, 2015, 06:18:42 PM
[yt]8VG72nIR3E8[/yt]

I'm not sure I understand her well ... Is she saying that probability is evidence for each single sample unit ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 08, 2015, 02:40:48 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 07, 2015, 09:47:49 PM
So apparently PAX is now run by puritans.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_iGInxUwAAEQwK.png)

What the fuck is an "aggressive display of cleavage?"

Isn't that when booth babes shove your head in their cleavage to force you to look ? I hate when that happen ...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 08, 2015, 02:55:26 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_mJhLqUsAA1AzZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on March 08, 2015, 06:18:15 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 08, 2015, 02:55:26 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_mJhLqUsAA1AzZ.jpg)

[yt]JVlqiimCX1M[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 08, 2015, 07:49:29 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on March 08, 2015, 02:39:10 PM
I'm not sure I understand her well ... Is she saying that probability is evidence for each single sample unit ?

The idea is that since most accusations of rape are true, then the probability should swing towards the accuser. Others in the comments support this, saying it's just Bayesian reasoning.

It isn't.

Remember that the Likelihood Ratio is the probability of seeing the observed effect if the hypothesis were true, divided by the probability of seeing the same effect if the hypothesis were false.

Hypothesis: This guy raped the accuser.

Observation: The accuser says he raped her.

Numerator: Every time a guilty rapist is brought into court, the accuser says he's guilty. Therefore, p(D|H)=1.

Denominator: Every time an innocent person falsely accused of rape is brought into court, the accuser says he's guilty. Therefore, p(D|H')=1.

So the Likelihood Ratio is p(D|H)/p(D|H') = 1/1 = 1.

WHICH TELLS YOU FUCKING NOTHING!!!

EVERY person brought into court accused of rape has someone accusing him of committing the rape--if there weren't, HE WOULDN'T BE IN COURT!!!

Now while it may seem intuitive that the low percentage of false rape accusations is relevant, IT ISN'T. And that's the great thing about Bayesian reasoning: it helps avoid these fallacies.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2015, 07:52:40 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 08, 2015, 07:49:29 PM
The idea is that since most accusations of rape are true, then the probability should swing towards the accuser. Others in the comments support this, saying it's just Bayesian reasoning.

It isn't.

Remember that the Likelihood Ratio is the probability of seeing the observed effect if the hypothesis were true, divided by the probability of seeing the same effect if the hypothesis were false.

Hypothesis: This guy raped the accuser.

Observation: The accuser says he raped her.

Numerator: Every time a guilty rapist is brought into court, the accuser says he's guilty. Therefore, p(D|H)=1.

Denominator: Every time an innocent person falsely accused of rape is brought into court, the accuser says he's guilty. Therefore, p(D|H')=1.

So the Likelihood Ratio is p(D|H)/p(D|H') = 1/1 = 1.

WHICH TELLS YOU FUCKING NOTHING!!!

EVERY person brought into court accused of rape has someone accusing him of committing the rape--if there weren't, HE WOULDN'T BE IN COURT!!!

Now while it may seem intuitive that the low percentage of false rape accusations is relevant, IT ISN'T. And that's the great thing about Bayesian reasoning: it helps avoid these fallacies.
Stay classy commentors.  It's why I facepalm whenever they say "rape culture!" You know?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 09, 2015, 11:45:35 AM
Along those lines, It irritates me when people say "X% of rapes go unreported" (usually followed by "because... babyfish") You can't possibly know how many rapes are unreported because they're... UNREPORTED. The statistics that we have to work with in setting policies and such do and must deal with the reported. I suppose if they said "X% of rapes go unreported TO LAW ENFORCEMENT", it might be a different matter, as it might have been reported to a doctor or something,
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 09, 2015, 11:56:33 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 09, 2015, 11:45:35 AM
Along those lines, It irritates me when people say "X% of rapes go unreported" (usually followed by "because... babyfish") You can't possibly know how many rapes are unreported because they're... UNREPORTED. The statistics that we have to work with in setting policies and such do and must deal with the reported. I suppose if they said "X% of rapes go unreported TO LAW ENFORCEMENT", it might be a different matter, as it might have been reported to a doctor or something,

Plus, they trot out the low "falsely accused" number when we have no way of knowing how many of those "unreported" would have turned out to have been falsely accused if properly investigated. This is also contradicted by their claim that few rape trials result in conviction; since the justice system works on the presumption of innocence, then why aren't THEY considered among the "falsely accused"? Plus, it doesn't cover false reports of rape where the supposed rapist is unidentified (like with the UVA case).

Yeah, the whole thing's a lesson in How To Do Statistics Completely Wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 09, 2015, 12:30:46 PM
Also, according to the narrative, those that are acquitted are not falsely accused innocents. They're correctly accused perpetrators who "got away with it". You know because nobody ever goes to court when they're innocent, or any thing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 09, 2015, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 09, 2015, 12:30:46 PM
Also, according to the narrative, those that are acquitted are not falsely accused innocents. They're correctly accused perpetrators who "got away with it". You know because nobody ever goes to court when they're innocent, or any thing.

Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Their number for "falsely accused" is WAY below the number acquitted!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 09, 2015, 02:51:19 PM
Some people often ask what reason could possibly have someone to falsely accuse another person of rape, as if it is a good indicator of ridiculously low probability. The funny thing is, each time one of these case comes out in the open, the accuser never have a "good" reason. There are enough weird stories like that in the US, like the Brian Banks case or those three girls with the  cab driver ... The fact is, if people want to fuck you up, they'll find a way.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 09, 2015, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on March 09, 2015, 02:51:19 PMThe fact is, if people want to fuck you up, they'll find a way.

that is all too true in my life recently...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 09, 2015, 05:54:48 PM
Aberusugi in these comments:

[yt]uYloEOwKjjA[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 09, 2015, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 09, 2015, 11:56:33 AM
Plus, it doesn't cover false reports of rape where the supposed rapist is unidentified (like with the UVA case).

They weren't completely unidentified, as the pretended ringleader was specifically identified.  This was one of the more obvious problems with the story, since this person was easily verifiable to NOT EXIST.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 10, 2015, 09:19:29 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 09, 2015, 07:26:27 PM
They weren't completely unidentified, as the pretended ringleader was specifically identified.  This was one of the more obvious problems with the story, since this person was easily verifiable to NOT EXIST.

Yes, but it doesn't count in their false accusation statistics since it's only specific people who actually exist and are known who are accused.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 10, 2015, 09:20:54 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 09, 2015, 05:54:48 PM
Aberusugi in these comments:

[yt]uYloEOwKjjA[/yt]

And Blacksheep as well.

Example: "economic fundatmentals FINITE DESIRES - INFINITE RESOURCES Your problem lies here, because there is no such thing as INFINITE RESOURCES.  Give me one resource on earth that is infinite?  You cant." Yes, he gets it precisely backwards, and basis his entire argument on the backwards way!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 10, 2015, 10:39:30 AM
Seriously, is McIntosh even trying anymore?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_vkjZ_VEAA0M79.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 10, 2015, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 10, 2015, 10:39:30 AM
Seriously, is McIntosh even trying anymore?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_vkjZ_VEAA0M79.jpg)

He used to try?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 10, 2015, 02:35:39 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 10, 2015, 01:43:22 PM
He used to try?

Good point.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 10, 2015, 03:56:22 PM
(https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10405661_856714191059622_7469019198629388158_n.png?oh=17decf697904aa4f8a334abc185a7f97&oe=55784B65)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2015, 01:29:09 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 10, 2015, 03:56:22 PM
(https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10405661_856714191059622_7469019198629388158_n.png?oh=17decf697904aa4f8a334abc185a7f97&oe=55784B65)
...Why is the name blurred out?  Also, her post, actually kinda proves the point she's arguing against, no?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 11, 2015, 09:04:48 PM
The dumbest joke by a hawk since "Bomb-bomb-bomb...bomb-bomb-Iran"

http://www.mediaite.com/online/lindsey-graham-i-would-use-the-military-to-force-congress-to-reverse-defense-cuts/

Lindsey Graham, what a shock.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 11, 2015, 11:26:45 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on March 11, 2015, 09:04:48 PM
The dumbest joke by a hawk since "Bomb-bomb-bomb...bomb-bomb-Iran"

http://www.mediaite.com/online/lindsey-graham-i-would-use-the-military-to-force-congress-to-reverse-defense-cuts/

Lindsey Graham, what a shock.

because we just need a Pinochet in power....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on March 13, 2015, 10:47:56 PM
The cartoon is too big, so I'm only providing the link: http://imgur.com/oXptSJd (http://imgur.com/oXptSJd)

And people claim my statist and anarchist comics are gross strawmen?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 14, 2015, 12:22:27 AM
(https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s480x480/10987358_10153192143924255_5139623349783927681_n.jpg?oh=8178cdd29479dc25150764854bf13e62&oe=5579A2DC)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 14, 2015, 12:39:21 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 14, 2015, 12:22:27 AM
(https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s480x480/10987358_10153192143924255_5139623349783927681_n.jpg?oh=8178cdd29479dc25150764854bf13e62&oe=5579A2DC)
The race card:  What's in your wallet.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 14, 2015, 03:14:59 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 13, 2015, 10:47:56 PM
The cartoon is too big, so I'm only providing the link: http://imgur.com/oXptSJd (http://imgur.com/oXptSJd)

And people claim my statist and anarchist comics are gross strawmen?

The bubble the author lives in is so thick, Bruce Willis is still drilling.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 14, 2015, 09:36:21 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 14, 2015, 12:22:27 AM
(https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s480x480/10987358_10153192143924255_5139623349783927681_n.jpg?oh=8178cdd29479dc25150764854bf13e62&oe=5579A2DC)

Because you can tell if something's good or not just by looking at the skin color of those who support it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 15, 2015, 11:57:58 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAJmdPGUIAABv1q.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 15, 2015, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 15, 2015, 11:57:58 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAJmdPGUIAABv1q.jpg)
Notice how communism always gets a free pass from these people despite it killing more than all those he listed combined...very telling, no?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t35.0-12/11064036_804593509608436_881200270_o.jpg?oh=3adc2e35d4e3437caddc3d6efa3c190d&oe=55086736&__gda__=1426633899_a5b2df0cdb382d823ccbcd6a62c031bf)

1) Citation needed for the Murray Rothbard quote there fellas.  And even if it's legit, so what?  We don't consider him infallible and he would still be wrong even if it's not being used out of context.

2) Hey, YOU'RE the ones saying if we don't like it we can leave.  Projection much?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 15, 2015, 03:02:00 PM
The above image is from this group:  https://www.facebook.com/AATLP apparently...  The first page is conspiracy mongering about how our movement is from the Christian right.  Wow.  And they call us the conspiracy mongers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 15, 2015, 03:47:10 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 15, 2015, 03:00:15 PM
1) Citation needed for the Murray Rothbard quote there fellas.  And even if it's legit, so what?  We don't consider him infallible and he would still be wrong even if it's not being used out of context.

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch5.html

"4. Take Back the Streets: Crush Criminals. And by this I mean, of course, not "white collar criminals" or "inside traders" but violent street criminals – robbers, muggers, rapists, murderers. Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment, subject of course to liability when they are in error."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 15, 2015, 04:21:47 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAJM5ZmW8AEpAnM.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 15, 2015, 07:11:16 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 15, 2015, 04:21:47 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAJM5ZmW8AEpAnM.png)
Not only fail for what can be taken at face value, but also the fact that they're trying to boss around EA...FUCKING EA.  The same company that won't even listen to the people paying them money for their products and she expects to be taken seriously? Please.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 15, 2015, 07:30:04 PM
Fail from Polygon (http://www.polygon.com/2015/3/13/8212587/code-name-s-t-e-a-m-review-off-the-rails) here.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CALNJWgUMAAM_qx.jpg)

They admit they didn't even finish the game before reviewing it and giving it a score that hurts their Metacritic scores. Fucking shameful. It's commonly accepted amongst reviewers that when you review the game, you should at least FINISH THE FUCKING GAME BEFORE YOU REVIEW IT!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 15, 2015, 07:52:56 PM
(https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10492296_1610764009143860_666559410030759376_n.jpg?oh=7f273dba6eee034a0bcc7cd008fd4ab9&oe=55752E47)
When used as apologist nonsense cops who murder innocents...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 16, 2015, 12:03:58 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 15, 2015, 03:00:15 PM
Notice how communism always gets a free pass from these people despite it killing more than all those he listed combined...very telling, no?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t35.0-12/11064036_804593509608436_881200270_o.jpg?oh=3adc2e35d4e3437caddc3d6efa3c190d&oe=55086736&__gda__=1426633899_a5b2df0cdb382d823ccbcd6a62c031bf)

1) Citation needed for the Murray Rothbard quote there fellas.  And even if it's legit, so what?  We don't consider him infallible and he would still be wrong even if it's not being used out of context.

2) Hey, YOU'RE the ones saying if we don't like it we can leave.  Projection much?

I'd also say that the guy on the right doesn't even have to threaten you to dock your pay.  He can simply NOT PAY YOU!  Furthermore what's wrong private actors creating disincentives for littering?  Unless you're saying it's okay to litter on someone's private property.  Double standards much?

Also the Rothbard quote was actually a quote-mine, here's the entire context:
"Take Back the Streets: Crush Criminals. And by this I mean, of course, not "white collar criminals" or "inside traders" but violent street criminals – robbers, muggers, rapists, murderers. Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment, subject of course to liability when they are in error."
Source (http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch5.html)

In other words, cops should be unleashed against violent felons. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 16, 2015, 12:14:12 AM
Everything's bigger in Texas, even the idiots:

http://rare.us/story/this-texas-politician-is-trying-to-restrict-people-from-filming-the-police-criminalizing-bloggers/

Looks like Texas got a case of the "No-filming-police law" fever.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 16, 2015, 12:58:37 PM
In the tradition of job postings apparently written by people who's writting ability is limited to copy and paste, I came across this gem (which I've applied for):

http://jobview.monster.ca/GetJob.aspx?JobID=147422727&aid=64922435&uid=100010F0D0B25678BEA68BF8216E75081642F89E3ED129B34F8C1A5D65C7189271A09E5171478F4D57F91A1EB4ED38B97E00E6175D562DF1F3D6B2EE6E2A28BD387A6431FC49B017D6AD886D20673A32AD924F&WT.mc_n=JSAHG10&jvs=e,ar,l,6# (http://jobview.monster.ca/GetJob.aspx?JobID=147422727&aid=64922435&uid=100010F0D0B25678BEA68BF8216E75081642F89E3ED129B34F8C1A5D65C7189271A09E5171478F4D57F91A1EB4ED38B97E00E6175D562DF1F3D6B2EE6E2A28BD387A6431FC49B017D6AD886D20673A32AD924F&WT.mc_n=JSAHG10&jvs=e,ar,l,6#)

Quote

The ideal candidate will be someone with Windows XP-2012 and Linux/Unix Systems Administration experience, strong networking knowledge, exceptional communication skills (written and oral), experience working in the IT outsourcing industry, strong drive & focus, excellent prioritization skills, attention to detail, very reliable and a strong sense of responsibility.

Responsibilities

The ideal candidate will be someone with Windows XP-2012 and Linux/Unix Systems Administration experience, strong networking knowledge, exceptional communication skills (written and oral), experience working in the IT outsourcing industry, strong drive & focus, excellent prioritization skills, attention to detail, very reliable and a strong sense of responsibility.


Yes, I know this is a really discouraging notice, but I've REALLY got to get a job where I don't spend my whole day on my feet, alternating between being in a freezer and sticking my face in the ovens.  (No, really, that's a huge part of my job, going between the freezer and the ovens.  And cleaning the place.  Especially the freezer, since nobody else seems to be bloody-minded enough to actually DO IT in the -30C it usually is in there.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on March 16, 2015, 01:37:41 PM
http://gawker.com/fight-inequality-abolish-the-senate-1691653655 (http://gawker.com/fight-inequality-abolish-the-senate-1691653655)

"Checks and balances? Pfft. That's totes 18th Century, Yo! Ya dig it?" /s
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 16, 2015, 04:20:53 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 16, 2015, 01:37:41 PM
http://gawker.com/fight-inequality-abolish-the-senate-1691653655 (http://gawker.com/fight-inequality-abolish-the-senate-1691653655)

"Checks and balances? Pfft. That's totes 18th Century, Yo! Ya dig it?" /s

The US Senate hasn't been any kind of check or balance since 1913 with the passage of the 17th Amendment. What we need to do is repeal the 17th and go back to Senators representing the states, so states won't have funding held hostage anymore if they don't kowtow to what the Feds want.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 17, 2015, 01:13:14 PM
Remember, they're not Jack Thompson.
(http://i.imgur.com/7vjzHBC.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2015, 01:44:22 PM
(https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11072323_10153220241146518_4721422055617446152_n.jpg?oh=3700d65bc94c3137eb24f315a5706ce6&oe=557FC15E)
This.  This is one reason people don't like trans folk...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2015, 02:22:41 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11730_820732084641781_6769327219509328660_n.jpg?oh=b3d013494652f5c519cc0ee9247983d7&oe=55BE049E&__gda__=1438302195_fb4457f18f61a355287b33918064a3c3)
Stay classy, Tumblr.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2015, 02:34:05 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 08, 2015, 07:49:29 PM
The idea is that since most accusations of rape are true, then the probability should swing towards the accuser. Others in the comments support this, saying it's just Bayesian reasoning.

It isn't.

Remember that the Likelihood Ratio is the probability of seeing the observed effect if the hypothesis were true, divided by the probability of seeing the same effect if the hypothesis were false.

Hypothesis: This guy raped the accuser.

Observation: The accuser says he raped her.

Numerator: Every time a guilty rapist is brought into court, the accuser says he's guilty. Therefore, p(D|H)=1.

Denominator: Every time an innocent person falsely accused of rape is brought into court, the accuser says he's guilty. Therefore, p(D|H')=1.

So the Likelihood Ratio is p(D|H)/p(D|H') = 1/1 = 1.

WHICH TELLS YOU FUCKING NOTHING!!!

EVERY person brought into court accused of rape has someone accusing him of committing the rape--if there weren't, HE WOULDN'T BE IN COURT!!!

Now while it may seem intuitive that the low percentage of false rape accusations is relevant, IT ISN'T. And that's the great thing about Bayesian reasoning: it helps avoid these fallacies.
Posted this in the video's comment section.  I'll be surprised if she doesn't just block me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 17, 2015, 02:39:40 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2015, 01:44:22 PM
(https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11072323_10153220241146518_4721422055617446152_n.jpg?oh=3700d65bc94c3137eb24f315a5706ce6&oe=557FC15E)
This.  This is one reason people don't like trans folk...

I'm sorry, I just don't see the big deal there. Why should I care if a woman "calls" herself a man and uses the same restroom as me? Why should a woman care if a man "calls" himself a woman and uses the same restroom?

(Of course, I've always been flabbergasted at gender-segregated restrooms to begin with, so maybe I'm the weird one here...that seems to happen a lot...)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 17, 2015, 02:40:44 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2015, 02:22:41 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11730_820732084641781_6769327219509328660_n.jpg?oh=b3d013494652f5c519cc0ee9247983d7&oe=55BE049E&__gda__=1438302195_fb4457f18f61a355287b33918064a3c3)
Stay classy, Tumblr.

Funny how I always see this claim more from the SJWs, from the "teach men not to rape" crowd to the "we can't let women go topless" crowd.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 17, 2015, 03:01:34 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 17, 2015, 02:39:40 PM
I'm sorry, I just don't see the big deal there. Why should I care if a woman "calls" herself a man and uses the same restroom as me? Why should a woman care if a man "calls" himself a woman and uses the same restroom?

(Of course, I've always been flabbergasted at gender-segregated restrooms to begin with, so maybe I'm the weird one here...that seems to happen a lot...)

Fear men are going to peek at women or some other nonsense.  Apparently they didnt' get the memo that men view going to the bathroom as nothing more than an unwanted but unavoidable interruption in their lives that they just want over as quickly and without incident as possible.  There's a reason why urinal chat is considered a cardinal sin among men.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 17, 2015, 03:57:40 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10009313_810413845718338_1578817605706241232_n.png?oh=7e7b0d13d9032db64609b4de7304941f&oe=55AFA5AF&__gda__=1434299507_95f2361887ab8a754ebe10080bd2ae77)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2015, 04:41:27 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 17, 2015, 02:39:40 PM
I'm sorry, I just don't see the big deal there. Why should I care if a woman "calls" herself a man and uses the same restroom as me? Why should a woman care if a man "calls" himself a woman and uses the same restroom?

(Of course, I've always been flabbergasted at gender-segregated restrooms to begin with, so maybe I'm the weird one here...that seems to happen a lot...)
If it's not that big a deal to begin with, why do they even need to use the other bathroom in the first place?  And because in the picture it struck me as more of the "shut up and just believe!" that is so common among SJW circles.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 17, 2015, 05:12:17 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 17, 2015, 03:57:40 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10009313_810413845718338_1578817605706241232_n.png?oh=7e7b0d13d9032db64609b4de7304941f&oe=55AFA5AF&__gda__=1434299507_95f2361887ab8a754ebe10080bd2ae77)

So if the government confiscated everything you had, you'd be completely free?

Not to mention what republican ever actually substantially cut taxes AND proportionally cut spending?  (cause if you don't do the latter, you're just defferring the payment to the next generation)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 18, 2015, 02:16:22 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 17, 2015, 05:12:17 PM
So if the government confiscated everything you had, you'd be completely free?

Not to mention what republican ever actually substantially cut taxes AND proportionally cut spending?  (cause if you don't do the latter, you're just deferring the payment to the next generation)
And more often than not, more debt generally means more inflation in the meantime, IIRC.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 18, 2015, 06:24:13 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 18, 2015, 02:16:22 AM
And more often than not, more debt generally means more inflation in the meantime, IIRC.

Either way, it's not actually cutting taxes, just reshuffling the tax burden (generally by placing more of it on the poor).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 18, 2015, 07:25:01 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 18, 2015, 02:16:22 AM
And more often than not, more debt generally means more inflation in the meantime, IIRC.

It's called 'monetizing the debt'.  Since US law doesn't allow the Treasury to simply have the Fed print money for them (that having been tried and proving to be a complete fiasco) they sell bonds, which are bought up by the Fed, which then uses them to justify issuing more currency.  The only reason the US doillar hasn't collapsed already is this process occurs only at the rate the federal government currently accumulates debt.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on March 18, 2015, 02:37:58 PM
[yt]SW2TBJPuoAI[/yt]

I would take his reasoning more seriously if they had at least some rationale behind them. But no. Most of it is just "well, you know, it is what it is, its a lot like this; therefore, it's that."

And then there's this comment:

QuoteCapitalism is a religion.  Banks are churches.  Bankers are priests.  Wealth is heaven.  Poverty is hell.  Rich people are saints.  Poor people are sinners.  Commodities are blessings.  MONEY IS GOD.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 18, 2015, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 18, 2015, 02:37:58 PM
[yt]SW2TBJPuoAI[/yt]

I would take his reasoning more seriously if they had at least some rationale behind them. But no. Most of it is just "well, you know, it is what it is, its a lot like this; therefore, it's that."

And then there's this comment:
Just looking at the title of that video, I don't even have to watch it to know it's going to be such projection I could see it from the moon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 18, 2015, 03:58:45 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on March 18, 2015, 02:37:58 PM
[yt]SW2TBJPuoAI[/yt]

I would take his reasoning more seriously if they had at least some rationale behind them. But no. Most of it is just "well, you know, it is what it is, its a lot like this; therefore, it's that."

And then there's this comment:


It's no different than creationists trying to claim evolution is a religion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 18, 2015, 05:38:12 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 18, 2015, 03:58:45 PM
It's no different than creationists trying to claim evolution is a religion.
U MEAN EVIL-UTIONISM YOU EVIL GOD HATIN' BABY EATIN' A-THUMB-THEIST! D:

In all seriousness, brands of woos sound similar.  Deal with one, you've dealt with them all.  SJWs (and a few too many socialists/statists) calls you a cisshit lord who needs to check his privilege (despite them always being better off than us) and creationists/fundies use stuff like above.

Though, I think you've hinted that the moon-hoaxers tend to be the most smug and desperate...I'm personally afraid to even ask.  Though I'll still never forgot Jarreh White's beautiful math skills. Hur hur. ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 19, 2015, 07:18:09 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 18, 2015, 05:38:12 PM
Though, I think you've hinted that the moon-hoaxers tend to be the most smug and desperate...I'm personally afraid to even ask.  Though I'll still never forgot Jarreh White's beautiful math skills. Hur hur. ;D

Moon hoaxers, like creationists, come in two basic flavors:  The ones who actually believe the crazy, and the cynical ones who make the media products that are sold to the former.

My personal favorite bit from the hoaxers is something about the woman who claims she saw a coke bottle kicked over on the Apollo 11 moonwalk, which didn't make it into Shane's video for whatever reason.  It's something that the professionals hope their prey don't know about, because it demonstrates what they really are (although Jarreh's math skills also accidentally turned up proof of that).

The full story, which hoaxers don't use, is that she claims she stayed up very late to watch the live coverage of the moonwalk and saw the lens flair she mistook for a coke bottle being kicked over and rolling away.  She says she was home, which at that time was in western Australia.  The problem with her story is that the Apollo 11 moonwalk was late at night FOR EASTERN NORTH AMERICA.  In western Australia, it happened in early afternoon.

Unfortunately, it is entirely possible she really believes her obviously impossible story.  People can be induced, quite easily, to concoct complex, detailed memories of events that didn't occur over the course of a couple of weeks (and then it becomes very difficult to dissuade them from the notion that these things happened), and she's had DECADES to convince herself she saw something that didn't happen at a time she couldn't have seen it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 19, 2015, 07:59:46 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on March 19, 2015, 07:18:09 AM
My personal favorite bit from the hoaxers is something about the woman who claims she saw a coke bottle kicked over on the Apollo 11 moonwalk, which didn't make it into Shane's video for whatever reason.

Because if I put in each and every claim they made I'd still be making the video and it would end up being 18,000 hours long!

And yes, it's an obvious lens flare. A lot of UFO videos are, actually. Ordinarily they're easy to tell, because they move opposite the light source, but modern cameras with image stabilization make it less obvious.

We've talked about false memories on the podcast. She could easily have gone from "I saw something weird" to "It was definitely a Coke bottle, I saw the logo and everything" without even realizing it. She could have even made it up as a lie, and ended up believing it after numerous retellings with the original memory of concocting the lie never being reinforced.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 19, 2015, 08:14:40 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 19, 2015, 07:59:46 AM
Because if I put in each and every claim they made I'd still be making the video and it would end up being 18,000 hours long!

And yes, it's an obvious lens flare. A lot of UFO videos are, actually. Ordinarily they're easy to tell, because they move opposite the light source, but modern cameras with image stabilization make it less obvious.

We've talked about false memories on the podcast. She could easily have gone from "I saw something weird" to "It was definitely a Coke bottle, I saw the logo and everything" without even realizing it. She could have even made it up as a lie, and ended up believing it after numerous retellings with the original memory of concocting the lie never being reinforced.

Interesting you mention UFO's in this context, as they're one of the classic examples of false memories.  I recall reading, years ago (so, perhaps this is a false memory itself), of an incident in which the passengers on an airliner had a quite spectacular view of a meteor.  Within 3 DAYS, some of them were describing, in detail and apparent complete sincerity, seeing a spacecraft with portholes, and being able to see the occupants through those portholes.  (This is why the proper UFOlogists, the ones who really do try and sift through the nonsense looking for real evidence, Houdini-style, don't care what you say you saw, they care only if you've got photos or video that they can then do a proper examination of to see if they can figure out what it really was.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 19, 2015, 08:52:51 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 18, 2015, 03:11:55 PM
Just looking at the title of that video, I don't even have to watch it to know it's going to be such projection I could see it from the moon.
This puritan actually thinks that porn is a drug.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on March 19, 2015, 11:06:09 AM
"Maybe it's time for mandatory voting." (http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/politics/obama-mandatory-voting/) - Barack Obama

Considering how often the value of voting has come up before, this sounds like a bad idea.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 19, 2015, 11:37:57 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on March 19, 2015, 11:06:09 AM
"Maybe it's time for mandatory voting." (http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/politics/obama-mandatory-voting/) - Barack Obama

Considering how often the value of voting has come up before, this sounds like a bad idea.

Someone should remind him how that worked out for Socrates...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 19, 2015, 12:56:32 PM
Yeah ... That point comes up in France from time to time ...

There has been a total of one person in the political spectrum in France who had a good idea, he ran for office several times and never made it in the second round. He pointed out that blank ballots do not count in the result of the polls. They are treated as if they were nulls. They are not given any value. So he proposed that we count them in and give them the same value as other ballots because there is no reason we should vote for anyone if no one is convincing enough. After the last election, the party in place (socialists) tried to trick everyone by announcing that blanks were not nulls anymore ! Hourray! Well what the law actually said was that they would be counted as a separate category from the nulls. But they still weren't valid and not integrated in the poll results ... That's the kind of sleaze those people are capable of ...

And that's the extent of discussion that happens about our current voting system. Nobody cares about alternative poll methods at all.

I don't know what is the next step, but if voting eventually becomes mandatory, I'll surely become a cynic old fuck because I absolutely can't see myself vote for the dumb morons that manage to get enough support to appear on the poll list. Soooooo, I don't know ... I'll probably find a way to have the state forbid me to vote ... I'll have to go to syria and train with ISIS or something :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 19, 2015, 01:02:14 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 19, 2015, 11:37:57 AM
Someone should remind him how that worked out for Socrates...

Can you expand on that ? Because I can't seem to find a link about it ... Thanks.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 19, 2015, 01:12:53 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on March 19, 2015, 01:02:14 PM
Can you expand on that ? Because I can't seem to find a link about it ... Thanks.

You know, that whole business with the hemlock?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 19, 2015, 02:00:08 PM
 Wow, somewhatsaint has gone off the whole "Your logic isn't my logic" deep end:

[yt]anP42zvPPRQ[/yt]

(Responding to ElectricQualia's thread beginning, "the government is not a hypothesis.")
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 19, 2015, 03:29:39 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 19, 2015, 01:12:53 PM
You know, that whole business with the hemlock?

So it has something to do with his trial then ? I just read the wikipedia page about it but still don't get where you're going ... I don't know anything about Socrates really. I heard about the trial in the past, but that's as far as it goes ...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 19, 2015, 03:47:46 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on March 19, 2015, 03:29:39 PM
So it has something to do with his trial then ? I just read the wikipedia page about it but still don't get where you're going ... I don't know anything about Socrates really. I heard about the trial in the past, but that's as far as it goes ...

The majority voted that he should be executed for refusing to acknowledge the existence of the gods, and for corrupting the minds of the youth. Socrates relented basically as a middle finger to democracy, saying the world was not fit for him to live in anymore because of it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 19, 2015, 04:00:21 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 19, 2015, 03:47:46 PM
The majority voted that he should be executed for refusing to acknowledge the existence of the gods, and for corrupting the minds of the youth. Socrates relented basically as a middle finger to democracy, saying the world was not fit for him to live in anymore because of it.
Reminds me of that "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" bit from Farnsworth.  Well played Socrates. :) RIP.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 19, 2015, 04:13:14 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 19, 2015, 03:47:46 PM
The majority voted that he should be executed for refusing to acknowledge the existence of the gods, and for corrupting the minds of the youth. Socrates relented basically as a middle finger to democracy, saying the world was not fit for him to live in anymore because of it.

Oh I get it now ! You're saying that since democracy is flawed, mandatory voting will only exacerbates those flaws ... Is that it or am I too far off ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 19, 2015, 05:12:19 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on March 19, 2015, 04:13:14 PM
Oh I get it now ! You're saying that since democracy is flawed, mandatory voting will only exacerbates those flaws ... Is that it or am I too far off ?

I was thinking a little more direct than that: if Obombya forces everyone to vote, he might not like the result!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 19, 2015, 06:00:32 PM
Well, I was definitely reading too much into that one ...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 19, 2015, 06:25:44 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 19, 2015, 02:00:08 PM
Wow, somewhatsaint has gone off the whole "Your logic isn't my logic" deep end:

[yt]anP42zvPPRQ[/yt]

(Responding to ElectricQualia's thread beginning, "the government is not a hypothesis.")
Added my 2 cents as well.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 19, 2015, 08:43:20 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on March 19, 2015, 06:00:32 PM
Well, I was definitely reading too much into that one ...

Neither was I exactly sure what he was referring to in that tidbit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 19, 2015, 10:15:19 PM
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Classy...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 20, 2015, 07:32:46 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAiRIQjWsAA0EGw.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 20, 2015, 05:35:02 PM
House Judiciary somehow thinks it's getting all "hip" and "cool" with this article:

http://judiciary.house.gov/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=62B4FDF5-C8F8-4674-9C2B-08E9A0E7E908

(http://frenchyincali.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/wtf-what-the-fuck-meme-winnie-pooh.jpg?4c1b53)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 20, 2015, 06:02:58 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on March 20, 2015, 05:35:02 PM
House Judiciary somehow thinks it's getting all "hip" and "cool" with this article:

http://judiciary.house.gov/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=62B4FDF5-C8F8-4674-9C2B-08E9A0E7E908


That Britney gif though ...

But I see that it's easy to get a clown license nowadays, which is nice.

Do these guys have some credibility or nobody cares ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 20, 2015, 06:16:35 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on March 20, 2015, 06:02:58 PM
That Britney gif though ...

But I see that it's easy to get a clown license nowadays, which is nice.

Do these guys have some credibility or nobody cares ?

More or less, they're one of the committees the media pays more attention to (Ways and Means committee comes in second).  That doesn't mean much when it comes to credibility.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on March 20, 2015, 09:45:15 PM
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/cead9be45fff7cf5547c01d2595236c3/tumblr_n34ia51iG01s31th1o1_1280.jpg)

And then there's the text from the Tumblr post:

QuoteI posted this one as part of that last set, but I think it needs to be seen on its own to be truly appreciated. This is probably the most succinct explanation I've ever seen of how private property ownership creates an imbalance of power that makes wage labor an inherently non-voluntary transaction. When the means of production necessary for meeting human needs are under the exclusive control of one class of people they are able to use that advantage to exploit others.

If the person on the left perhaps had a means to fish, such as a net or harpoon, then the exchange might be considered voluntary. As it stands, though, the person who is claiming ownership of the tree has control over the sole source of readily obtained food. The threat of starvation (or violence by the tree's owner) is a coercive factor that so many capitalists deliberately ignore when they claim that wage labor is a voluntary transaction.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 21, 2015, 08:09:17 AM
Quote
how private property ownership creates an imbalance of power

Yeah, because giving some central authority the power to redistribute property as it sees fit totally doesn't!

Idiot idiot idiot and double idiot! ><
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 21, 2015, 10:14:27 AM
The fail comes from Anita. Apparently women shouldn't be allowed to have free thought.
(http://puu.sh/gJbRB/50c12c7c33.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 21, 2015, 01:53:25 PM
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+MikeAllgood/posts/48HM5jpe7pB
Gotta love some liberals trying to dress up mandatory voting as a good thing...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 21, 2015, 03:20:52 PM
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+MikeAllgood/posts/btWrqaQzoHR
Oy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 21, 2015, 05:04:40 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 21, 2015, 03:20:52 PM
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+MikeAllgood/posts/btWrqaQzoHR
Oy.

The graphic that refutes half of that:

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7592/16266083433_7f25557131.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qMnVUn) (https://flic.kr/p/qMnVUn)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 21, 2015, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 21, 2015, 05:04:40 PM
The graphic that refutes half of that:

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7592/16266083433_7f25557131.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qMnVUn)
(https://flic.kr/p/qMnVUn)
Posted that graph as a comment.  Just for the hell of it. ;3
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 22, 2015, 11:29:38 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAtbZMCUYAACY-8.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on March 22, 2015, 12:09:47 PM
(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11071772_802665126484175_6257195622781550663_n.jpg?oh=cac3b765dcc1662f5470779d7c4b6284&oe=55AC27E7)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 22, 2015, 02:46:59 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 22, 2015, 11:29:38 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAtbZMCUYAACY-8.png)
Her name is surprisingly accurate...

Also:  https://plus.google.com/+MikeAllgood/posts/SbEhotTDjQs
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 22, 2015, 02:50:26 PM
https://plus.google.com/+MikeAllgood/posts/XyDBQMhxG2D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on March 22, 2015, 04:44:40 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 22, 2015, 02:50:26 PM
https://plus.google.com/+MikeAllgood/posts/XyDBQMhxG2D

Why do you follow this guy?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 22, 2015, 04:54:34 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CArjMH9U0AArPpa.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 22, 2015, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on March 22, 2015, 04:44:40 PM
Why do you follow this guy?

I would like to know what he does when people point out that it was the Republicans who stopped Obama from having bombed Iran ALREADY.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 22, 2015, 07:08:21 PM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on March 22, 2015, 04:44:40 PM
Why do you follow this guy?
Because he's a fellow furry, and because I'm a masochist. X_x
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 22, 2015, 08:28:46 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11080900_477287192421972_2890738573117361583_n.jpg?oh=4862e505def568a85476a5fea89a98f3&oe=55AFC37F&__gda__=1434005269_676178893d9343dfbd795e81d990e0eb)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 22, 2015, 08:35:27 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 22, 2015, 08:28:46 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11080900_477287192421972_2890738573117361583_n.jpg?oh=4862e505def568a85476a5fea89a98f3&oe=55AFC37F&__gda__=1434005269_676178893d9343dfbd795e81d990e0eb)
Speaking of Stupid SJWs:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/17816_820732637975059_5624223819171838343_n.jpg?oh=e5fff560ac0c30649601fb9f7eaf04b5&oe=55BCF479&__gda__=1437668754_aab96b9a012030828b248189f7e66c0c)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on March 22, 2015, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 22, 2015, 08:28:46 PM
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Because gunning down mecha nazis is a sexual fetish of mine
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 22, 2015, 10:08:35 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 22, 2015, 08:28:46 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11080900_477287192421972_2890738573117361583_n.jpg?oh=4862e505def568a85476a5fea89a98f3&oe=55AFC37F&__gda__=1434005269_676178893d9343dfbd795e81d990e0eb)

Assuming this is true, wouldn't it be a GOOD thing?  Seriously, the fuck you complaining about?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 22, 2015, 10:44:31 PM
Considering these are people who want to define "rape" to mean anything they like, just like "harassment" is now defined, in most contexts, to mean "anything that someone might say or do that could possibly make me slightly uncomfortable"; they can blow it out there ass. If we're going to have a crime called "rape" it has to have a clear cut definition. If we're going to fire people because harassment, then that also must have a clear definition.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 23, 2015, 06:50:54 AM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 22, 2015, 08:28:46 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11080900_477287192421972_2890738573117361583_n.jpg?oh=4862e505def568a85476a5fea89a98f3&oe=55AFC37F&__gda__=1434005269_676178893d9343dfbd795e81d990e0eb)

This girl gets me. Guys, I think it's the one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 23, 2015, 07:19:02 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA0UE8DWgAAe3_n.png:large)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 23, 2015, 09:46:51 PM
On a youtube thread, I asked the question "Why do we get handwaved as conspiracy theorists yet patriarchy theory gets a pass?"

Well, this gentleman took issue with that and simply accused me of having no idea what patriarchy theory is.

I responded with the good old Ayn Rand quote "They'll always tell you what it isn't, never what it is."

So I got this...

QuotePatriarchy is a concept that originates in feminist theory derived from ideas of hegemony outlined by Antonio Gramsci. In short Gramsci wrote of the larger body of social constructs that enforce the values of the ruling class on the rest of society. These are not necessarily things that people do to consciously further those thoughts, often disguised as assumptions and "common knowledge".

Feminist theory uses the term "Patriarchy" to discuss those aspects of hegemony which relate specifically to the enforcement of a gender-based hierarchy. As stated above, there is no real physical "embodiment" of these ideas, that is to say no cackling council of men yelling "BEAT WOMEN! CRUSH THEIR SPIRITS! AAAH HA HA HA HA!" (at least as far as I know). There are, however, pervasive, destructive and ridiculous assumptions that define gender relations in our culture. From the myth of Adam and Eve to shaming young boys by telling them they do things "like a girl", these reinforce ideas of man's natural dominance and woman's natural submission. And if you're noticing that the example I used is an idea that hurts men too ("you __ like a girl"), then you're starting to get the point. In short, patriarchy doesn't just hurt women, it hurts men.

As bell hooks noted in Understanding Patriarchy, "Patriarchy is the single most life-threatening social disease assaulting the male body and spirit in our nation." These roles don't just put men in "good" positions, so to speak, they posit the man as the epitome of logic and reason. Not only does that deny female rationality, it creates an environment where men expressing their emotions is considered "wrong", "weak" and "effeminate". Thus men do things like shrug off going to the doctor when they should (to be tough), bottle up their emotions, causing trauma (and abusive behavior in some case), and generally go through life trying to deny their emotional personhood.

There. I told you what it is, and even tied it back into equality-centered gender studies so you can't say I'm just advocating for female supremacy or whatever location you're no doubt going to try and move the goalposts to now.

Any questions?

Where do you even start with this?  Bald assertions all over the place including presupposing the very existence of patriarchy at all without evidence.  Terminology so vague it makes the bible look like a dictionary.
Not to mention "hit like a girl" being cited as some kind of evidence?  Why does "acting like a dick" get a pass?  Cherry picking if I ever saw it.

Equality driven gender studies course?  Don't make me laugh!  Those studies are ANYTHING but equality driven.  Sky ain't orange just because you say it is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 23, 2015, 11:06:26 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 23, 2015, 09:46:51 PM

Equality driven gender studies course?  Don't make me laugh!  Those studies are ANYTHING but equality driven.  Sky ain't orange just because you say it is.

Unless I'm a SJW lexicographer, then I redefine "orange" to mean "the color the sky is at any given moment of my convenience."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on March 24, 2015, 07:02:26 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 23, 2015, 09:46:51 PM
On a youtube thread, I asked the question "Why do we get handwaved as conspiracy theorists yet patriarchy theory gets a pass?"

Well, this gentleman took issue with that and simply accused me of having no idea what patriarchy theory is.

I responded with the good old Ayn Rand quote "They'll always tell you what it isn't, never what it is."

So I got this...

Quote
Patriarchy is a concept that originates in feminist theory derived from ideas of hegemony outlined by Antonio Gramsci. In short Gramsci wrote of the larger body of social constructs that enforce the values of the ruling class on the rest of society. These are not necessarily things that people do to consciously further those thoughts, often disguised as assumptions and "common knowledge".

Feminist theory uses the term "Patriarchy" to discuss those aspects of hegemony which relate specifically to the enforcement of a gender-based hierarchy. As stated above, there is no real physical "embodiment" of these ideas, that is to say no cackling council of men yelling "BEAT WOMEN! CRUSH THEIR SPIRITS! AAAH HA HA HA HA!" (at least as far as I know). There are, however, pervasive, destructive and ridiculous assumptions that define gender relations in our culture. From the myth of Adam and Eve to shaming young boys by telling them they do things "like a girl", these reinforce ideas of man's natural dominance and woman's natural submission. And if you're noticing that the example I used is an idea that hurts men too ("you __ like a girl"), then you're starting to get the point. In short, patriarchy doesn't just hurt women, it hurts men.

As bell hooks noted in Understanding Patriarchy, "Patriarchy is the single most life-threatening social disease assaulting the male body and spirit in our nation." These roles don't just put men in "good" positions, so to speak, they posit the man as the epitome of logic and reason. Not only does that deny female rationality, it creates an environment where men expressing their emotions is considered "wrong", "weak" and "effeminate". Thus men do things like shrug off going to the doctor when they should (to be tough), bottle up their emotions, causing trauma (and abusive behavior in some case), and generally go through life trying to deny their emotional personhood.

There. I told you what it is, and even tied it back into equality-centered gender studies so you can't say I'm just advocating for female supremacy or whatever location you're no doubt going to try and move the goalposts to now.

Any questions?

Where do you even start with this?  Bald assertions all over the place including presupposing the very existence of patriarchy at all without evidence.  Terminology so vague it makes the bible look like a dictionary.
Not to mention "hit like a girl" being cited as some kind of evidence?  Why does "acting like a dick" get a pass?  Cherry picking if I ever saw it.

Equality driven gender studies course?  Don't make me laugh!  Those studies are ANYTHING but equality driven.  Sky ain't orange just because you say it is.

I'll give you a question to ask.

"Yes:  Why does the above paranoid conspiracy theory get a pass?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on March 25, 2015, 01:30:05 PM
Donald Trump Redirects His 'Birther' Ire To Presidential Candidate Sen Ted Cruz (http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/donald-trump-redirects-his-birther-ire-to-presidential-candidate-sen-ted-cruz/)

No, Donald, you don't win cluons for consistency.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 25, 2015, 02:39:06 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on March 25, 2015, 01:30:05 PM
Donald Trump Redirects His 'Birther' Ire To Presidential Candidate Sen Ted Cruz (http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/donald-trump-redirects-his-birther-ire-to-presidential-candidate-sen-ted-cruz/)

No, Donald, you don't win cluons for consistency.

BWAHAHAHA!! What an attention whore (or gigolo?)!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 25, 2015, 05:34:38 PM
(http://i60.tinypic.com/24cgw8k.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 25, 2015, 06:31:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA-fyfNVAAEbuY7.png)

Arthur Chu is definitely a complete mental case.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 25, 2015, 06:35:12 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 25, 2015, 06:31:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA-fyfNVAAEbuY7.png)

Arthur Chu is definitely a complete mental case.

As are the two who responded. They do realize that the human race would go extinct, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 25, 2015, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 25, 2015, 06:31:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA-fyfNVAAEbuY7.png)

Arthur Chu is definitely a complete mental case.

Sadly, it appears that it's not that rare of an occurence. It's just that Chu is particularly vocal about it. There are people alive today who think that women are so oppressed that men are akin to a cancer to the species, so morally bankrupt as a whole that it is moral to not give any of them the benefit of the doubt. And his kind are the redeemers obviously. They get "it". They serve the cause without over shadowing the women in it. White knighting in essence. And there are people still trying to make hypothesis about why Chu and the like are so impervious to everything else ... It's right there, just listen to them. They convinced themselves that they are morally above everyone else and they invested their entire life in it. People never gave up on religion I tell you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 26, 2015, 10:36:50 AM
And this week in stupid (it should really be a segment on the pod cast):

http://www.advocate.com/politics/religion/2015/03/26/watch-only-prayer-can-stop-gay-destruction-marriage-says-pat-robertson?google_editors_picks=true (http://www.advocate.com/politics/religion/2015/03/26/watch-only-prayer-can-stop-gay-destruction-marriage-says-pat-robertson?google_editors_picks=true)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 26, 2015, 11:22:06 AM
If we call it "This Week in THE Stupid" we could call it TWITS. :D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on March 26, 2015, 01:04:08 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 26, 2015, 11:22:06 AM
If we call it "This Week in THE Stupid" we could call it TWITS. :D

Or "This Week In Totally Stupid"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 26, 2015, 04:05:41 PM
Speaking of stupid:  https://plus.google.com/+MikeAllgood/posts/NmkEPyvYGKG
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 26, 2015, 04:31:27 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 26, 2015, 04:05:41 PM
Speaking of stupid:  https://plus.google.com/+MikeAllgood/posts/NmkEPyvYGKG

Oh please he most certainly would've gotten health insurance before Obamacare
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 26, 2015, 04:35:40 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on March 26, 2015, 04:31:27 PM
Oh please he most certainly would've gotten health insurance before Obamacare

Wait. Isn't he a US Senator? Doesn't that job come with health insurance?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 26, 2015, 05:09:57 PM
Okay guys, here's the plan: If Cruz wins the Presidential election, we flood the Internet with how he's not qualified for office because he was actually born in Calgary... Let's make a big stink about "birth certificate"... Oh, wait...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 26, 2015, 07:01:26 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on March 26, 2015, 04:35:40 PM
Wait. Isn't he a US Senator? Doesn't that job come with health insurance?

Yep.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 27, 2015, 04:22:29 PM
"Fuck you laws of economics! We don't need your bullshit!"--socialists, keynesians, and statists in general if they were honest.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 27, 2015, 08:22:58 PM
Brianna Wu, you hypocritical cunt!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBJFqEWWQAI3V6h.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 28, 2015, 12:30:54 AM
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+MikeAllgood/posts/a4jJMwdcEv2
For those who haven't heard, Indiana passed a bill that would allow freedom of association of business owners regarding gays ("right to discriminate" as many called it).  As I said to someone else, folks, freedom of association is NOT bigotry.  Grow up, folks!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on March 28, 2015, 03:10:28 AM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 27, 2015, 08:22:58 PM
Brianna Wu, you hypocritical cunt!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBJFqEWWQAI3V6h.png)
God, I am sick and Fucking tired of these damn Puritans.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 28, 2015, 03:45:35 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on March 28, 2015, 03:10:28 AM
God, I am sick and Fucking tired of these damn Puritans.

Okay...Nice tits, and?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 28, 2015, 09:37:13 AM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 27, 2015, 08:22:58 PM
Brianna Wu, you hypocritical cunt!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBJFqEWWQAI3V6h.png)

Usually, I would wonder if it's to be taken sarcastically ... But it's Brianna Wu we're talking about :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 28, 2015, 04:26:37 PM
(https://scontent-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11081182_436360109873253_8227456651873671095_n.jpg?oh=4cde3c60c52b1af417f36066ccbaf70b&oe=55B47CF8)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 28, 2015, 04:39:17 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 28, 2015, 04:26:37 PM
(https://scontent-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11081182_436360109873253_8227456651873671095_n.jpg?oh=4cde3c60c52b1af417f36066ccbaf70b&oe=55B47CF8)

This man should referred to a psychiatrist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 28, 2015, 04:41:11 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on March 28, 2015, 04:39:17 PM
This man should referred to a psychiatrist.

Or a bullet to the brain.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 28, 2015, 04:43:05 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 28, 2015, 04:26:37 PM
(https://scontent-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11081182_436360109873253_8227456651873671095_n.jpg?oh=4cde3c60c52b1af417f36066ccbaf70b&oe=55B47CF8)
As I said on Facebook, stay classy, SJWs....

And speaking of failure, so I must be super bored and D levels of masochistic today, because I'm actually on Being Liberal's page on Facebook, commenting on their posts, seeing if I can get them to ban me.  Gotta love how they call anyone who disagrees with them, "trolls" kindly get over yourselves, guys...
My poor sanity. T_T
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 28, 2015, 04:54:32 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBNIB6aWsAAu9q1.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 28, 2015, 07:24:43 PM
Everything (https://twitter.com/IronFury51488/status/581949443630637059) posted by David Balluff.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 28, 2015, 09:09:57 PM
Wow, the last two additions are gold ...
Internalized misogyny, really ? So, it really means whatever the fuck they want it to mean, as I often heard ... Please someone, tell me that some of her followers objected to that ...
And the David Balluf stuff ... Well, fuck logic I guess ...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 28, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 28, 2015, 04:41:11 PM
Or a bullet to the brain.

Oh come on dude, that's a little extreme.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on March 28, 2015, 10:20:22 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on March 28, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
Oh come on dude, that's a little extreme.

I'm speaking hypothetically. Of course when someone talks about killing a child, it does bring my blood to a boil, so you'll have to excuse my more extreme language.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 28, 2015, 11:03:58 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on March 28, 2015, 04:41:11 PM
Or a bullet to the brain.
>Implying she has a brain in the first place...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 29, 2015, 09:32:20 PM
http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_Wiki
This.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2015, 12:27:51 AM
So I found another furry anarchist (not an-cap, but not leftist either) and I shared Hawkeye's latest facebook post with him here:  https://www.facebook.com/tim.dyson.37/posts/999030983454651?fref=nf&pnref=story and got this fail of a response:
(http://i58.tinypic.com/w9i88k.png)
Another comment I got at the top was of him saying to me and Lucas:   "If either of you would like an audiobook of it, as it dismantles the premise entirely, just ask."
Wow.  Could not have missed the point any harder if he tried.  The only reason politicians can do what they do is because people still believe the system works  The fact that they're voting is proof of that.
And no.  If you lend support to a system, you get responsibility because you're giving them the guts to committ attrocities they'd have never have done, as Hawkeye gives an example of here:  http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/Why-are-you-still-a-statist-219816956  So no, but "just read this book" is NOT going to refute that.  If Spooner had a passage in the book that refuted it, he can copy/paste it in word and give me a screenshot or something.  Otherwise, it's just a homework fallacy & appeal to authority.

Take away the belief in the state (the ideological state) and they're just a bunch of guys in uniforms getting the rest of us to fund their excessively long roleplaying game.
If everyone else in North Korea said, "Fuck you Kim Jung Un, we are not listening to you!" What is his fat underprivileged ass gonna do about it?  All control beyond the self is an illusion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2015, 01:32:45 AM
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2z4wbjs.png)
No, he did NOT refute anything.  He merely asserted fallacies without explaining why.  Nor were the goalposts moved.  Ever. The point was explained above.  It has not changed.
NOTHING in Hawkeye's post was a strawman.  That's what statists say.  That's what they ALL say.  The idea that we don't vote ergo we shouldn't complain IS something we're told time and time again.  I don't believe for a SECOND that he has argued with statists if he hasn't heard that argument from them.
Really, he reminds me of Miliant-Mike1:  both have read one too many books and debated too few statists.   And like these pillocks on the (now defunct) Mises Institute Forum who didn't know what the sodding gold standard was or how it worked. *facepalms*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 09:10:41 AM
He says that both arguments hinge on voting being effective ... Isn't it effective for people from the left and the right ? If you aggregate all the people who voted for Obama, I think there's a pretty good chance that what they got is what was expected, as an aggregate.
In top of that, there's an argument to be made that the system works entirely as intended because what allow them to get a majority that pushes policies in one direction is the fact that the system allows partisanship. Weren't that the case, there would be no reason for all the leftists to vote for one guy just to be sure that the rightwinger doesn't get in the white house. This last part is an intended result of the process. Every voter expect it due to the use of a majority. Apart from that, there are the people who complain because what was done was not 100% what they wanted, but if they were honest, they would not complain because they knew the system doesn't work that way : They counted on it in the first place !
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2015, 02:33:53 PM
Every comment left by Shane Nolan on this post of mine. (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1552944001633211&id=100007528785584)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 04:10:19 PM
I can't see the post ... What could be the problem ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2015, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 04:10:19 PM
I can't see the post ... What could be the problem ?
It's set to friends only...and there is no option for it to be public for some reason. >.<*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2015, 06:48:04 PM
https://www.facebook.com/thefluffyfurrycreatures/posts/751659534931843 Since when is weight NOT a choice?  And how is appearance NOT a choice?

I'll also add that The Fluffy Furry Creatures' responses are all fails as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 31, 2015, 07:39:42 PM
MeGrendel here is SO full of himself in this thread:

http://www.i-am-bored.com/forums.asp?action=read&ct=10&q_id=108721&read_page=1#bottom

QuoteCajun247-"Do you have a point to make or are you simply going to argue semantics?"

The point is that:
1) Your opinion that calling them 'illegal' is disgraceful has no merit.
2) Your opinion that it should not be illegal for them to come here undocumented is, also, without merit and has no bearing on reality.

Cajun247-"do YOU think that any and all legal means should involve some form of documentation?"

Yes.

Cajun247-"If so, how much?"

At a bare minimum: Non-immigrant or Immigrant Visa, with the requirement of Family or Employer sponsor.

You know...Follow The Law...

Well NO DUH, it's my fucking opinion.  It is my opinion based on a careful analysis of the situation, you know an INFORMED opinion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 08:25:43 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2015, 06:48:04 PM
https://www.facebook.com/thefluffyfurrycreatures/posts/751659534931843 Since when is weight a choice?  And how is appearance NOT a choice?

I'll also add that The Fluffy Furry Creatures' responses are all fails as far as I'm concerned.

I don't understand your discussion "Since when is weight a choice?"
The list provided says that weight is not a choice.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2015, 08:28:50 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 08:25:43 PM
I don't understand your discussion "Since when is weight a choice?"
The list provided says that weight is not a choice.
*Since when is weight NOT a choice.  Derp.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on March 31, 2015, 07:39:42 PM

http://www.i-am-bored.com/forums.asp?action=read&ct=10&q_id=108721&read_page=1#bottom


Is it really a problem to call illegals "illegal" when they break the law of a given country when entering it ? I mean it's technically correct. Same thing goes for marijuana users or other such categories of offenses, that's technically illegal so why not be content with the word ? We all know here that the problem lies within the ideological minds that write the policies, not the principle of the law ... No ? In every case, the line exists only on paper. By the way, it's also the case for morally indefensible behaviour like murder. It's only illegal because there's a line that you're not supposed to cross defined in the text. It's because right and lawful are not necessarily synonymous.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 08:35:28 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2015, 08:28:50 PM
*Since when is weight NOT a choice.  Derp.

Thanks. I just wanted to be sure.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 08:39:47 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2015, 06:48:04 PM
https://www.facebook.com/thefluffyfurrycreatures/posts/751659534931843 Since when is weight a choice?  And how is appearance NOT a choice?

I'll also add that The Fluffy Furry Creatures' responses are all fails as far as I'm concerned.

What made me laugh in that discussion :
"I'd believe the CDC over a random Fb Page, anyday ~K"

Or rather:
"If only this guy could have provided a peer reviewed source that we could use ... Too bad we don't have that. Also, too bad I don't have time to read more than 2 sentences."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2015, 08:47:58 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 08:39:47 PM
What made me laugh in that discussion :
"I'd believe the CDC over a random Fb Page, anyday ~K"

Or rather:
"If only this guy could have provided a peer reviewed source that we could use ... Too bad we don't have that. Also, too bad I don't have time to read more than 2 sentences."
Menno linked to a meta-analysis on the matter.  So either he's lying about reading the post or he's lying about what it said.  Complete tool.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 08:53:50 PM
That being said, I think your guy misread the abstract.

He says :
a huge team of researchers could only attribute 2.7% of BMI variation to genetics.

The abstract says:
"The 97 loci account for ~2.7% of BMI variation, and genome-wide estimates suggest that common variation accounts for >20% of BMI variation."

So, it would seem that other BMI-related loci exist elsewhere in the genome and they didn't control for those ... Why ? The abstract doesn't say.
The abstract doesn't mention the kind of phenomenons which produce the variations either ... Some might be harder to fight than others.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 08:57:22 PM
I can't load the CDC PDF and I can't figure out why. Too bad.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2015, 09:06:02 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 08:53:50 PM
That being said, I think your guy misread the abstract.

He says :
a huge team of researchers could only attribute 2.7% of BMI variation to genetics.

The abstract says:
"The 97 loci account for ~2.7% of BMI variation, and genome-wide estimates suggest that common variation accounts for >20% of BMI variation."

So, it would seem that other BMI-related loci exist elsewhere in the genome and they didn't control for those ... Why ? The abstract doesn't say.
The abstract doesn't mention the kind of phenomenons which produce the variations either ... Some might be harder to fight than others.
Knowing Menno, he read the entire study, including the methodology.
Others brought up this in the comments, and he notes that:
"No, the 20% figure isn't correlated yet. It is extrapolated."

"An estimate is all it is at this moment. They can't even correlate it yet, let alone show causation."

And after being asked whether or not he thinks they're just guessing notes:
"I'm saying it's a best guess from limited data. Any correlations they do find will likely mostly be psychological anyway, notably appetite. Most of what they find even now is related to the nervous system, not metabolism. So then the correlation vs. causation part becomes much more important."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 31, 2015, 09:10:19 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 08:34:59 PM
It's because right and lawful are not necessarily synonymous.

But that's EXACTLY my point, there is nothing right about governments criminalizing marijuana use or uncontrolled immigration.  NOTHING at all, he thinks I'm idiot by arguing semantics.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 09:13:20 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2015, 09:06:02 PM
Knowing Menno, he read the entire study, including the methodology.
Others brought up this in the comments, and he notes that:
"No, the 20% figure isn't correlated yet. It is extrapolated."

"An estimate is all it is at this moment. They can't even correlate it yet, let alone show causation."

And after being asked whether or not he thinks they're just guessing notes:
"I'm saying it's a best guess from limited data. Any correlations they do find will likely mostly be psychological anyway, notably appetite. Most of what they find even now is related to the nervous system, not metabolism. So then the correlation vs. causation part becomes much more important."

It still looks a little cavalier to me but I don't have anything more to go on so ... I guess I can leave it at that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 09:25:56 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on March 31, 2015, 09:10:19 PM
But that's EXACTLY my point, there is nothing right about governments criminalizing marijuana use or uncontrolled immigration.  NOTHING at all, he thinks I'm idiot by arguing semantics.

OH. MY . FUCKING. GOD ! I just noticed that the board is displayed backwards !!!!
Much easier to understand how the discussion went now :)
Oh dear ...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 31, 2015, 09:50:53 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 09:25:56 PM
OH. MY . FUCKING. GOD ! I just noticed that the board is displayed backwards !!!!
Much easier to understand how the discussion went now :)
Oh dear ...

Oh fooled you too right?  Should've given you a heads up my bad.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 10:15:23 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2015, 06:48:04 PM
https://www.facebook.com/thefluffyfurrycreatures/posts/751659534931843 Since when is weight a choice?  And how is appearance NOT a choice?

I'll also add that The Fluffy Furry Creatures' responses are all fails as far as I'm concerned.

You know what, I'm not sure I agree with gender identity not being a choice either ... At least not to the extent some people do. Not all categories of gender identities are related to each other on a conceptual level, other than being lumped together in the gender identities.
So, my starting point would be the same as his I believe : The knowledge about what's in another person mind is difficult to build, if not impossible, and, preferences are a personal matter.
Now, there are two things that I get to from there and don't seem compatible with his assertion :
1) The concept of gender replacing the concept of preferences essentially. Which would mean that the descriptive value of the concept of gender is dubious because it omits some preferences and builds a new spectrum based solely on others chosen arbitrarily. As an example, I don't see the fundamental difference between being heterosexual, homosexual, trans, SM, scat or zoo. I've never heard or read anything that would give me the beginning of a clue about why the concept of gender indentity has been invented in the first place. To me, it all falls under the same category and the descriptive value was already good with "preferences"
2) The concept of an individual of one sex "feeling" like being of the other. If you cannot know how another individual feels, then you cannot know how an individual of the other sex feels. If your sex is given to you by default, then, by default, you feel like an individual of that sex. It follows that the conclusion that women can be trapped in the body of men and vice versa is flawed. In top of that, crossdressing, for those who do it for that reason, or transitioning, are in practice a choice. The last possibility is that their mind virulently rejects their body, or image of their body, or whatever it is, but that looks like a completely other issue to me ... In that instance, that would be easier to live by adapting your body rather than your mind I guess, but I don't see how it would affect the reasoning.


Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 10:16:26 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on March 31, 2015, 09:50:53 PM
Oh fooled you too right?  Should've given you a heads up my bad.

Damn libertarians... Don't think about others ... grbmllbrmlbr ... me, me, me ... grmlgrblgmr ...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 01, 2015, 06:30:22 AM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on March 31, 2015, 08:34:59 PM
Is it really a problem to call illegals "illegal" when they break the law of a given country when entering it ? I mean it's technically correct.

The problem is, it's being used as an identifier when it says much more about the idiocy of the government of the country they've emigrated to than it does about them as people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 01, 2015, 06:34:23 AM
From this conversation (https://twitter.com/bnsmith001/status/583198793312636928).

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2nlmwx.jpg)

Leave it to religious conservatives to be just as nauseating on the Indiana issue as their liberal counterparts. Apparently bigotry doesn't exist and racism is a term created by liberals to keep them down.

This guy doesn't supply the only fail though. There was a TON of fail by different people that didn't even show up in that link.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on April 01, 2015, 09:30:26 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 01, 2015, 06:30:22 AM
The problem is, it's being used as an identifier when it says much more about the idiocy of the government of the country they've emigrated to than it does about them as people.

Well, I focused on that point at first only because I didn't see the original discussion was to be read the other way around, the board being displayed with the starting post at the bottom. Because of that, I didn't see that the guy Dallas was arguing against made the point that it was the right thing to do to obey the law no matter what before Dallas made his point. I would have argued the same way he and you did if I were in his place.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 01, 2015, 03:59:26 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on April 01, 2015, 06:34:23 AM
From this conversation (https://twitter.com/bnsmith001/status/583198793312636928).

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2nlmwx.jpg)

Leave it to religious conservatives to be just as nauseating on the Indiana issue as their liberal counterparts. Apparently bigotry doesn't exist and racism is a term created by liberals to keep them down.

This guy doesn't supply the only fail though. There was a TON of fail by different people that didn't even show up in that link.
I'm still not sure why so many people don't get the points you're making.  And really, something I've picked up on that many of the law's non-an-cap proponents have likely noticed (if only intuitively) is that the crying from liberals about this is a case of belief in belief.  They don't really believe that gays, or whatever would be served without guns and peacefully, otherwise, they wouldn't have to implement such a policy by force.  As someone who is bi, I'm rightly indignant over that.

So much for liberals being "tolerant."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 01, 2015, 07:01:05 PM
This guy, and pretty much the whole thread: https://plus.google.com/117440551238215866319/posts/VzAuSbNaMhK
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 02, 2015, 01:03:43 AM
    https://medium.com/@amalythia/anita-sarkeesian-s-new-video-may-have-ulterior-motives-14d2802fbce7

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 02, 2015, 03:44:23 AM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 02, 2015, 01:03:43 AM
    https://medium.com/@amalythia/anita-sarkeesian-s-new-video-may-have-ulterior-motives-14d2802fbce7

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!
[/quote

Where's the fail? The piece seems to be a fair enough review of Sarkeesians article.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 02, 2015, 08:48:57 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on April 02, 2015, 03:44:23 AMWhere's the fail? The piece seems to be a fair enough review of Sarkeesians article.

I think Sarkeesian herself was supposed to be the fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on April 02, 2015, 10:50:37 AM
Yeah, she doesn't have a lot to say, which might explain why she sounds like she is pitching the game ... This video is not the one that will show the return on investment (I guess her backers are happy anyway).

And this video has a new name attached to it for the writing, As well as a new name for the graphics ... I'm no expert in the field of video production but damn, what do they do exactly, all those people ... ? Do you really need two people to write that ? And what can be the role of a producer on something of that scale ? I mean isn't McIntosh merely sratching his balls for money at that  point ? And the second graphics designer, where is his work ? The same assets have been used since day one !
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 02, 2015, 02:34:07 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2015, 01:32:45 AM
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2z4wbjs.png)
No, he did NOT refute anything.  He merely asserted fallacies without explaining why.  Nor were the goalposts moved.  Ever. The point was explained above.  It has not changed.
NOTHING in Hawkeye's post was a strawman.  That's what statists say.  That's what they ALL say.  The idea that we don't vote ergo we shouldn't complain IS something we're told time and time again.  I don't believe for a SECOND that he has argued with statists if he hasn't heard that argument from them.
Really, he reminds me of Miliant-Mike1:  both have read one too many books and debated too few statists.   And like these pillocks on the (now defunct) Mises Institute Forum who didn't know what the sodding gold standard was or how it worked. *facepalms*

I'm seriously beginning to wonder if this guy is autistic to some extent.  And I say this as a guy with Asperger's Syndrome myself.
Since he follows me on Twitter, he found these posts. :3

He responded with this:  http://ana.rchist.net/response.txt
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 02, 2015, 04:36:44 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 02, 2015, 02:34:07 PM
Since he follows me on Twitter, he found these posts. :3

He responded with this:  http://ana.rchist.net/response.txt


He actually makes a fair argument there. The only modification I would make would be "voting or not voting does not effect the right to complain about any specific action that an elected official makes-unless there was a specific election on every single action said elected official could conceivably take."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 02, 2015, 05:24:03 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on April 02, 2015, 04:36:44 PM

He actually makes a fair argument there. The only modification I would make would be "voting or not voting does not effect the right to complain about any specific action that an elected official makes-unless there was a specific election on every single action said elected official could conceivably take."
In other words, repeating the assertion.

Reminds me of this (win) from Dale Everett: 

(http://anarchyinyourhead.com/comics/2008-08-27-passing_the_buck.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 02, 2015, 05:48:18 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 02, 2015, 05:24:03 PM
In other words, repeating the assertion.

Reminds me of this (win) from Dale Everett: 

(http://anarchyinyourhead.com/comics/2008-08-27-passing_the_buck.png)

In general, responsibility falls on those who are in a position to change the situation. In the case of the cartoon, Bush's assertion that he had a mandate from the voters could be challenged (either by Congress or the Supreme Court). Congress could have easily removed the specific operation from the funding, or made a condition of the funding extraction from the mission. As far as the voter goes-individually he doesn't matter, unless a somewhat significant portion of voters vote for something other than tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum, government as usual will continue in Washington. And the soldier, unless he can show that the orders in question are implicitly amoral or illegal, there's nothing he can do about it without severe personal, legal, and professional consequences.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 02, 2015, 06:04:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5SO1RdCYdQ

There's a fellow by the name of Noah Howard responding to a post I make in the comments and oh my good sweet lord!  He actually unironically says "government is a non profit organization" and "politicians get into politics just to do some good."

How do people say this with a straight face?  How do politicians listen to it with a straight face?  Statism really is just the great conspiracy to keep a straight face.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on April 02, 2015, 07:05:04 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 02, 2015, 02:34:07 PM
Since he follows me on Twitter, he found these posts. :3

He responded with this:  http://ana.rchist.net/response.txt

I thought I had problems understanding him because of the limitations of twitter, but even now, it's difficult for me. So either he's nebulous or I lack the skills.

i'm only going to comment on the part that directly concerns me.

"Another person remarked, "He says that both arguments hinge on voting being effective...isn't it effective for people from the left and the right?"

Yes, it is effective for people on the left and the right who agree 100% with a particular politician, that politician is running in the election, and that politician wins the election in question. If that was all that was trying to be said, then you can say that it was effective. To make the statement more meaningful and relevant requires muddying the clear-cut conditions under which it can be said to be effective. I don't believe that what was trying to be said was only that it is effective under those specific assumptions."


Well, he's right, I was operating under a few assumptions that makes voting effective for people who have an interest in the current system. Of course, it is ineffective for others, like me. My interests cannot be taken into account under the political system of my country. Voting is ineffective for me, but voting isn't meant for me either if the way I understand the status-quo is correct, and I suspect the situation is largely similar in every other western country. People vote for a number of reasons, so their interests in the system vary.

Because of that, I reject the idea that the assumptions he makes are the only one that validate my claim. That's why I talked about partisanship. People might not always agree 100% with the action of a individual, or it's party, or the government put in place, but the widespread use of partisan rethoric demonstrate that it is not the main issue when it comes to voting. People vote to try to shape the social and economical context within their country. It's the act of shaping that brings them to the polls, not the minutia of said shaping.

So, one assumption one has to make to talk about the effectiveness of voting is that people have a good reason to vote, or at least, good enough to make them go to the polls. Another is that if people keep voting, that means that they get enough out of it to justify it. To me, it suggests that they think it is effective, and if they think that way, I must think it to. There's no way around it. I am a not a psychic : if someone speaks and act in a seemingly coherent manner, I have to believe them.

Using markets as an analogy, if people would stop buying political goods en masse (English speaking people use that expression right ?), we would expect a new market to emerge, because there is political money left on the table. Well, again, because the political market is regulated, even to the extent that some businesses are prohibited, the new market never rises. Which is why voting is effective only for a certain kind of people, people who have a vested interest in the political status-quo (left and right), people who have shares in the national food company which is the current political system they are in.

If no candidate is satisfying for me, I can't make political businesses aware of my intentions to not buy, because the only action that the customer can take on the current political market is to buy the political goods of the state sanctionned political businesses . I can't vote blank, which is equivalent to not buying in elections, or use any other options, because they don't exist. Well, they don't exist for a reason : the people who can manufacture them and the people who vote for them benefit from partisanship (shares in the company) which would crumble in a political free market. In other words, I (and the whole western world, I suppose) are stuck in a communist political market where dissidents get force-fed with the great leader's bland noodles while pasta manufacturer are denied the 42-a form they are asked to provide.

So yes, voting is effective. It's effective in the context people want it to be. If it was supposed to be something else, the system would be built otherwise.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on April 02, 2015, 07:19:31 PM
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on April 02, 2015, 06:04:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5SO1RdCYdQ

There's a fellow by the name of Noah Howard responding to a post I make in the comments and oh my good sweet lord!  He actually unironically says "government is a non profit organization" and "politicians get into politics just to do some good."

How do people say this with a straight face?  How do politicians listen to it with a straight face?  Statism really is just the great conspiracy to keep a straight face.

"education is bad because they need more money"

Nope. Teachers and students needs incentive.

I discussed that a few times with members of my family and each time I get the stares and the smiles and the constant nodding that says "we are going to let you speak because you will likely shut up at the end if we don't enable you" ... Why would people want to learn when they are stripped of their agency and their free time ? People don't want to learn under duress. If they don't like what they do, they will feel sadder, depressed and at this point, the path of least resistance will be the only one considered. Kids needs opportunities to figure out what they want to do. Teachers need to be taught that fact and the curriculums should mirror as much as possible the goal the student wants to achieve because we only have so much time to learn something before getting our agency back and the opportunity to become productive. There's no time to loose with things that don't align with our personnal goals and I would be surprised to find anybody who thinks that people don't feel more fullfilled when they are in control of their life.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on April 02, 2015, 09:00:36 PM
http://www.metronews.fr/info/un-quota-de-femmes-dans-les-cockpits-l-idee-polemique-d-une-feministe-allemande-apres-le-crash-de-l-a320/mocD!L1E2gHXjqf6E/
It's a link to a french article about a german article, for which i'll also provide a link :
http://www.emma.de/artikel/frauenquote-fuers-cockpit-318639

Of course I don't expect you to be able to read it so I'll summarize it.

The original article is from Luise Pusch, a german writer and feminist. Apparently she presents a reasonning that goes lie this : The german A320 that crashed was piloted by a man. This man crashed on purpose. More women died than men. Which means that, "again", women are the victims or men's violence. So she provide a solution, which is to put one woman in each cockpit to ensure the safety of everyone ...

One of the tweets from the first link which I find funny :
"Eine Männerquote in der Redaktion von #Emma ein MIttel, um intellektuelle Katastrophen wie diese zu verhindern"
That translates roughly by " A men quota in Emma's redaction could have prevented that intellectual disaster"

So here you go guys, we can't be trusted by anyone. Be sure to bring your girlfriend with you when you hit the road, I wouldn't want you to crash your car and die because of your stupid man violence. Be safe.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on April 02, 2015, 10:43:28 PM
https://twitter.com/StephenBendelow/status/583595761583161344

Little Stevie response to Dawkins.

And now, back to checking my privilege.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on April 03, 2015, 12:35:17 PM
Brianna Wu (and Company) strikes again (http://www.cracked.com/article_22230_5-ugly-realities-being-woman-in-gaming-industry.html)
#5-Unsubstantiated
#4-Unsubstantiated
#3-Does not prove anything
#2-Simply because you've proven to be full of yourself
#1-Progress has been long before you started writing
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 03, 2015, 01:39:48 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on April 03, 2015, 12:35:17 PM
Brianna Wu (and Company) strikes again (http://www.cracked.com/article_22230_5-ugly-realities-being-woman-in-gaming-industry.html)
#5-Unsubstantiated
#4-Unsubstantiated
#3-Does not prove anything
#2-Simply because you've proven to be full of yourself
#1-Progress has been long before you started writing

>Choosing between your career and family
>implying only women have to do that

Explain to me then why we have so many movies of the overworking father who never spends time with his kids and in the end needs to choose between his career and his family?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 04, 2015, 08:01:32 PM
(http://i62.tinypic.com/24gow9j.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 05, 2015, 12:09:03 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on April 03, 2015, 12:35:17 PM#3-Does not prove anything

Wait, it's a man's job because a woman can't do that and raise a child? As a man who's raised two children mostly on his own, FUCK YOU!!!

Quote#1-Progress has been long before you started writing

Also contradicts the claim in #5 that "it's only gotten worse."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 05, 2015, 08:20:49 PM
"Not everything is consistent."--Someone in one of my recent posts on Facebook.
#BroDoYouEven1stPrinciples
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 06, 2015, 01:23:20 AM
I really need to stop having these convo's in private, where they won't be open to some much deserved public scrutiny. X_x
Talking with a friend on Facebook regarding illegal immigration.  I show him this:  http://www.notbeinggoverned.com/statist-fallacies-illegal-immigration/
And the following exchange happens:

Him:  I'm even more confused now.  State property is fiction?  Wanna elaborate on that?

Me:  I admit the wording could have been better on that.  Oh well.

Him:  Holy shit yeah. Wanna translate?

Me:  Government fiat (them pointing at it and saying 'mine or I'll shoot you') does not, a legit property claim make.

Him:  What does a legit property claim make then

Me:  Homesteading, or voluntary transfer.

Him:  Well a lot of voluntary transfer (and involuntary transfer) went on to get the US land.  The Louisiana Purchase was voluntary while colonization was involuntary.

Me:  With stolen money (taxes) So not quite.  If I steal money and use it buy something, the transaction is invalid because the money wasn't legitimately mine in the first place.

Him:  Do you know the purposes of taxation?

And yes, for those who might have guess, the guy in red is the same one I quoted in the post above this one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 07, 2015, 10:16:35 PM
"Check your privilege!"--feminists/SJWs
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on April 07, 2015, 11:11:40 PM
Don't you get it ? It's their justification. It's what gives them credibility in the liberal Wonderland. Because obviously, someone who is well off and think about "the poor" cannot have ulterior motive and is necessarily rational and wiser. I witnessed that over and over and over in my own family. You can't attack someone who has money and pretend to speak on behalf of "the poor". Doing it will always result in the claim that you hate said "poor", have no empathy/compassion/whatever, or that you have some ulterior motive of some sort.
In today's social climate, speaking for a supposed victim of society is seen as the ultimate proof of altruism (Complete illusion, but anyways ...) and liberals made sure that they had the monopoly on that !

You won't find rationality so easily, and if you do, don't expect much.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 07, 2015, 11:34:15 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on April 07, 2015, 11:11:40 PM
Don't you get it ? It's their justification. It's what gives them credibility in the liberal Wonderland. Because obviously, someone who is well off and think about "the poor" cannot have ulterior motive and is necessarily rational and wiser. I witnessed that over and over and over in my own family. You can't attack someone who has money and pretend to speak on behalf of "the poor". Doing it will always result in the claim that you hate said "poor", have no empathy/compassion/whatever, or that you have some ulterior motive of some sort.
In today's social climate, speaking for a supposed victim of society is seen as the ultimate proof of altruism (Complete illusion, but anyways ...) and liberals made sure that they had the monopoly on that !

You won't find rationality so easily, and if you do, don't expect much.
Yeah, you just have to be a socialist and boom, you care about the poor.  Oh, you don't have to actually do anything to make them better off, gods no.  It's like being religious was hundreds of years ago.
It's why folks like our own Lord T Hawkeye call things like statism McHeroism/McMorality.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 08, 2015, 02:24:03 AM
It seems to me that the SJW types don't give a rat's fuck about the genuinely disadvantaged.  All they care about is the otherwise advantaged that happen to be (fill in blank here). For example, recently we had months of SJW's on about "misogynous threats" on twitter, and when someone of their own sex, who actually has a fucking job,gets raped by someone who isn't white male, suddenly: radio fucking silence.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on April 08, 2015, 11:22:08 AM
Yes, ultimately, it's merely about a lexicon of words and phrases you can use to generates a specific type of reaction more than anything else. That's today's politics. It's about formalising of a certain type of herd mentality, because it creates voters for your side.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 08, 2015, 02:34:56 PM
And related to the above, is someone who has told me that "rich" = in top 1% or top 0.1%.
That is so arbitrary it is ridiculous.  I tried explaining how relative it is, but to no avail.  And why income?  What about someone who is a just short of a billionare, but who doesn't have an income?  Something my economics professor calls "Asset Rich, Income poor."  What's more it neglects the most important aspect of wealth. 

Physical stuff.

You can have all the Greenbacks and Continentals you want, but if the physical stuff ain't there, you're SOL.  Just ask the rich from 100 years ago.  Diseases killed the richest of them that you can cure with a $4 drug from Wal-Mart's pharmacy.  It's why I facepalm when I look at the metric they use to determine Rockefeller's wealth; percentage of total GDP or whatever.  What difference does it make to have a larger slice if the pie is so much smaller to make the increased proportion meaningless?

Take an imaginary economy with only two people (let's say, me & chipfox, just for the hell of it):
If I make $20,000/year, and he makes $100,000, he's rich.  But we'd still be better off if we both made $10,000/year, and even better if I made $5,000/year and he made $1,000/year.  Yet the percentile measure people use you'd think I'm richer when nothing could be further from the truth!

Also, the "1%"?  Of what?  Of North Korea?  Of the world?  of the USA?  If so, which part of the USA?  Among with group of people?  What about costs of living?  $10/hour will get you much more in the Midwest than it will in San Francisco, for example.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on April 08, 2015, 03:31:06 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 08, 2015, 02:34:56 PM
You can have all the Greenbacks and Continentals you want, but if the physical stuff ain't there, you're SOL.  Just ask the rich from 100 years ago.  Diseases killed the richest of them that you can cure with a $4 drug from Wal-Mart's pharmacy.  It's why I facepalm when I look at the metric they use to determine Rockefeller's wealth; percentage of total GDP or whatever.  What difference does it make to have a larger slice if the pie is so much smaller to make the increased proportion meaningless?

Take an imaginary economy with only two people (let's say, me & chipfox, just for the hell of it):
If I make $20,000/year, and he makes $100,000, he's rich.  But we'd still be better off if we both made $10,000/year, and even better if I made $5,000/year and he made $1,000/year.  Yet the percentile measure people use you'd think I'm richer when nothing could be further from the truth!

All of that went straight over my head. Can you expand on that please ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 08, 2015, 05:12:10 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on April 08, 2015, 03:31:06 PM
All of that went straight over my head. Can you expand on that please ?

He's saying how "wealthy" someone is depends on the precise circumstances an individual finds himself, relative to the circumstances of those around him. Another point he makes is the value (spending power) of the currency in question also plays an important role, for example it does little good to be a "billionaire" when a loaf of bread is 800,000 currencies.  Also, if their isn't the products/services you need are not for sale, all you have is a pile of currencies.

Now on to Travis.

In general, the 1% refers to people in industrialised nations. How they came up with the idea that "85% percent of wealth is held by 1%" is beyond me, but that's what they're talking about.  Along with this, they try to insinuate that most of this is unearned income. (Please, by all means, I'm sure Bill Gates would love to hear about how he didn't earn...)

As for the economy scenario, which one would make either/both of you better off would depend on the costs of trade, and who had what resources.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 08, 2015, 05:36:08 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on April 08, 2015, 05:12:10 PM
He's saying how "wealthy" someone is depends on the precise circumstances an individual finds himself, relative to the circumstances of those around him. Another point he makes is the value (spending power) of the currency in question also plays an important role, for example it does little good to be a "billionaire" when a loaf of bread is 800,000 currencies.  Also, if their isn't the products/services you need are not for sale, all you have is a pile of currencies.
More or less.  Also to show how arbitrary and asinine the whole rat race thing is when it overlooks that the poor of today are objectively richer/better off than the rich of 100 years ago!

Quote from: dallen68 on April 08, 2015, 05:12:10 PM
Now on to Travis.

In general, the 1% refers to people in industrialized nations. How they came up with the idea that "85% percent of wealth is held by 1%" is beyond me, but that's what they're talking about.  Along with this, they try to insinuate that most of this is unearned income. (Please, by all means, I'm sure Bill Gates would love to hear about how he didn't earn...)
Which is kind of my point in that huge post here.  Why is it many people say, "Well *I* earned what I have!" when it's them, but they just always assume someone better off than them, in the "richest one percent" or whatever/whomever they're railing against didn't earn it as well?  It's special pleading is my point.  I will always adore Hawkeye's take on it; That their position and stance conveniently overlooks the fact that if someone got rich, he ALREADY paid back for it through whatever good or service he provided that made him rich in the first place.  Saying he owes you again after the fact for it is double dipping.

Now, it's one thing if they're talking about getting special privileges from government, but near as I can tell that's NOT what they're talking about.  Especially when a lot of these people screaming about "the rich" are people who also scream the loudest about wanting goodies from govco.

Quote from: dallen68 on April 08, 2015, 05:12:10 PM
As for the economy scenario, which one would make either/both of you better off would depend on the costs of trade, and who had what resources.
I was assuming the available goods/services/costs of trade/etc would be equal between us in that scenario.  Ceteris paribus and all that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 09, 2015, 08:58:05 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 08, 2015, 02:34:56 PMAnd why income?  What about someone who is a just short of a billionare, but who doesn't have an income?  Something my economics professor calls "Asset Rich, Income poor."

Coincidentally, my new video, How to Argue for Social Security, which will post this afternoon, deals with that very issue.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 09, 2015, 02:03:44 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 09, 2015, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 09, 2015, 02:03:44 PM
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Says the people who want only police to have guns, and give them more power, and they're going to pretend to be surprised when they abuse it?  Fuck them.  #NotYourShield
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on April 09, 2015, 03:25:12 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 09, 2015, 02:36:09 PM
Says the people who want only police to have guns, and give them more power, and they're going to pretend to be surprised when they abuse it?  Fuck them.  #NotYourShield

That, or confirmation bias, or anecdotal evidence, etc. Take your pick :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 10, 2015, 06:44:15 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/08/fat-healthy-dieting-health-reasons-overweight-lifespan-weight?CMP=fb_gu
Notice how 1) They don't link to the actual studies on pubmed 2) they conflate fat and total weight (which is rather annoying...) and 3) it ignores the HUGE amount of evidence demonstrating being obesity & inactivity being a risk factor for about every disease known to man...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on April 10, 2015, 07:52:37 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 10, 2015, 06:44:15 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/08/fat-healthy-dieting-health-reasons-overweight-lifespan-weight?CMP=fb_gu
Notice how 1) They don't link to the actual studies on pubmed 2) they conflate fat and total weight (which is rather annoying...) and 3) it ignores the HUGE amount of evidence demonstrating being obesity & inactivity being a risk factor for about every disease known to man...

Well, they do cite their source : It's The Independant apparently ...
( The TI article is also worth a reading )
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on April 10, 2015, 11:25:39 PM
I'm sure most of you will get a groan out of this: http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2015/04/05/why-atheists-are-a-myth/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on April 11, 2015, 02:38:42 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on April 10, 2015, 11:25:39 PM
I'm sure most of you will get a groan out of this: http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2015/04/05/why-atheists-are-a-myth/

That is one dogpile of Strawmen
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 11, 2015, 07:55:16 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on April 10, 2015, 11:25:39 PM
I'm sure most of you will get a groan out of this: http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2015/04/05/why-atheists-are-a-myth/

Let me guess: it's the old everyone-believes-in-God-they-just-deny-it-because-they-want-sex canard, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on April 11, 2015, 09:36:42 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 11, 2015, 07:55:16 AM
Let me guess: it's the old everyone-believes-in-God-they-just-deny-it-because-they-want-sex canard, right?

It's a few things, but his main point is that any set of beliefs is a religion, and there are only organized or disorganized religion.

Look at one of the most popular "secular" values right now: equality. It makes no logical sense whatsoever. Evolution cares absolutely nothing about equality;
What a start for an argument about atheism ...

Obviously you did well by not wasting your time reading that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 11, 2015, 10:47:25 AM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on April 11, 2015, 09:36:42 AM
It's a few things, but his main point is that any set of beliefs is a religion, and there are only organized or disorganized religion.

Look at one of the most popular "secular" values right now: equality. It makes no logical sense whatsoever. Evolution cares absolutely nothing about equality;
What a start for an argument about atheism ...

Obviously you did well by not wasting your time reading that.

Well, the quotation you give from him is correct that evolution doesn't care about equality, but that's only because evolution, being a mindless, automatic process, doesn't care period.  It's just a natural outcome of the laws of the universe, which Dawkins aptly described as having the properties expected of a universe governed by "blind, pitiless indifference."


Given the context, however, this statement is about half a grade above pure wordsalad, making it on a par with going FullMcIntosh.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 11, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on April 11, 2015, 10:47:25 AM
Well, the quotation you give from him is correct that evolution doesn't care about equality, but that's only because evolution, being a mindless, automatic process, doesn't care period.  It's just a natural outcome of the laws of the universe, which Dawkins aptly described as having the properties expected of a universe governed by "blind, pitiless indifference."

But you can also say that about gravity, quantum mechanics, inorganic chemistry, or any other scientific theory. NONE of them direct any sort of moral codes because THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE FOR. They describe how the universe works, and that's IT.

And this is true of economics, too. When we make arguments against the Minimum Wage, for example, we'll bring up the well-established fact that it destroys jobs for the least-skilled workers. But we're using economics only insofar as we're describing the disemployment effects; as soon as we go beyond that and say "And therefore we shouldn't have a MW" or "Therefore MW is bad," we're leaving the realm of economics and science and entering the realm of political philosophy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 11, 2015, 02:08:15 PM
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6651781/
>>Common Sense.
Nope.  What he's talking about is something that always happens when the state becomes life.  People become lazy, etc.  Because such is the incentives of the system.  Between him, Jason, and many others, I'm getting really sick of the elitist attitude of people who haven't seem to have cottoned on to this fact...
Have they not heard of Plymouth Plantation?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on April 11, 2015, 03:46:40 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on April 11, 2015, 10:47:25 AM
Well, the quotation you give from him is correct that evolution doesn't care about equality, but that's only because evolution, being a mindless, automatic process, doesn't care period.  It's just a natural outcome of the laws of the universe, which Dawkins aptly described as having the properties expected of a universe governed by "blind, pitiless indifference."


Given the context, however, this statement is about half a grade above pure wordsalad, making it on a par with going FullMcIntosh.

The quotation is not correct at all because
1)Evolution is not relevant when it comes to secular values. It's an obsession of some religious groups that if a description of nature doesn't fit their morals, it means it's immoral, which means it's inherently bad. Of course it's stupid, for the reasons Shane gave us.
2)He is supposed to be arguing the position that atheist don't exist because they are just people disguising their religion as something else. At that point, what science and secularist do is irrelevant.

Secularism is not equal to atheism, and neither of those are predicated on evolution.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 11, 2015, 07:14:44 PM
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1556597557934522&id=100007528785584&comment_id=1556974751230136&offset=0&total_comments=11&notif_t=feed_comment
I'm sorry, but I don't buy that custody statistic as being fair for a second.  His links have been very unconvincing to say the least...lots of vague, flowery language, more words than needed to describe something, which, for me, has always been a bullshit red flag.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 13, 2015, 03:40:14 PM
https://www.facebook.com/intactamerica/posts/10153283584546388?comment_id=10153283975011388&offset=0&total_comments=107&ref=notif&notif_t=share_reply
Every comment by Greg Nightshade.  Absolutely shameful.

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Win quote from Karen Straughen to this mentality of his.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 14, 2015, 12:03:37 PM
I don't feel like posting thewh ole conversation so here's the last post form one of the iditos i'm dis cussing the social contract with. When he keeps s yaing that in anarchy someone with the will to take over will absolutley take over and impose the ir will on ot hers I ask how they're oging to cover the cost of that.


QuoteWell since we are living in reality, if we took a nose dive into anarchy there would still be million of guns along with tanks, helicopters, jets, etc.

Since you don't want to address that issue, how about a social scenario? Group of religious bigots come across a group of black men. Their holy book tells them that blacks are below them and that they should take them as slaves, so they do. We could even take religion out of it: A group of people decide that Hispanic people are not fit to live on this earth, so they go on an ethnic killing spree.

Anarchy does not have safeguards for these kind of things.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 14, 2015, 01:13:35 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 14, 2015, 12:03:37 PM
I don't feel like posting thewh ole conversation so here's the last post form one of the iditos i'm dis cussing the social contract with. When he keeps s yaing that in anarchy someone with the will to take over will absolutley take over and impose the ir will on ot hers I ask how they're oging to cover the cost of that.

I like how he just says, "so they do," without any explanation as to how they could accomplish that without a monopoly on violence.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 15, 2015, 02:29:16 PM
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Sigh!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 15, 2015, 03:49:20 PM
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The comments are pretty lame too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on April 16, 2015, 03:42:29 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 15, 2015, 02:29:16 PM
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Sigh!

Okay how much has CEO compensation gone up in time again?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 16, 2015, 10:03:11 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on April 16, 2015, 03:42:29 AM
Okay how much has CEO compensation gone up in time again?

In 1960, a CEO (at a top tier company, like IBM) made 40 times what a entry level employee made. In 2013, it was 301 times. However, this is somewhat deceptive if taken at face value, since for upper management "compensation" may not necessarily be take home pay. This link explains it fairly well:

http://connection.ebscohost.com/businessfinances/executive-pay/history-corporate-executive-wages (http://connection.ebscohost.com/businessfinances/executive-pay/history-corporate-executive-wages)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 17, 2015, 05:05:09 PM
Here's a list of nonsense by someone trying to argue that the social contract is valid and rights are a soci al contrsutct grnated to us by go vernment

QuoteThis is going in circles. This is stupid. I'm going to state so point, and you say either that they are true, or why they aren't. Especially (1) needs quite the reason why it is not true. You get that? Let's go:

(1) Rights are a human concept.
(2) Rights are enforced by power, in whatever form, assuming (1)
(3) State is an entity of power.
(4) State has the collective power of the people in a republic or democracy, assuming (3)
(5) Your parents can make decisions for you until you are deemed capable of deciding for yourself.
(6) Property right is a right granted by the state, assuming (2) and (3).
(7) Being citizen is not the same as being slave.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 17, 2015, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 17, 2015, 05:05:09 PM
Here's a list of nonsense by someone trying to argue that the social contract is valid and rights are a soci al contrsutct grnated to us by go vernment
Quote
(1) Rights are a human concept.
(2) Rights are enforced by power, in whatever form, assuming (1)
(3) State is an entity of power.
(4) State has the collective power of the people in a republic or democracy, assuming (3)
(5) Your parents can make decisions for you until you are deemed capable of deciding for yourself.
(6) Property right is a right granted by the state, assuming (2) and (3).
(7) Being citizen is not the same as being slave.

1) So's gravity. What's your point? Rights, like gravity, are a human construct to explain an effect in the real world. But rights aren't just made-up things that we can will away or wish to be different. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYloEOwKjjA

2) Rights aren't enforced. They don't have to be. They exist no matter what. What can happen is, rights can be violated, and we have the right to defend ourselves and others from violations of our rights. Many people have advocated governments for this purpose; any government that limits itself to this is a good government. (I have yet to see any examples of a good government.)

3) The State is the only entity with the (perceived) legitimate right to initiate force against others. Whenever private individuals or groups do what the State does, it's called "crime."

4) No, the people are helpless AGAINST the power of the state. By the definition I just gave in 3), they can impugn their rights with impunity and the people have no recourse because their absolute right to defense in 2) has been abrogated.

5) Because rights and responsibilities go hand in hand. Toddlers don't have the right to keep and bear arms because they can't possibly be responsible for it. This has nothing to do with the rights of adults, nor with any government, so it is only here as a non-sequitur.

6) Nope. It's established by first principles. See the video in 1) again.

7) And being a free individual is not the same as being a citizen.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 17, 2015, 07:10:09 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 17, 2015, 06:23:39 PM


1) So's gravity. What's your point? Rights, like gravity, are a human construct to explain an effect in the real world. But rights aren't just made-up things that we can will away or wish to be different. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYloEOwKjjA

2) Rights aren't enforced. They don't have to be. They exist no matter what. What can happen is, rights can be violated, and we have the right to defend ourselves and others from violations of our rights. Many people have advocated governments for this purpose; any government that limits itself to this is a good government. (I have yet to see any examples of a good government.)

3) The State is the only entity with the (perceived) legitimate right to initiate force against others. Whenever private individuals or groups do what the State does, it's called "crime."

4) No, the people are helpless AGAINST the power of the state. By the definition I just gave in 3), they can impugn their rights with impunity and the people have no recourse because their absolute right to defense in 2) has been abrogated.

5) Because rights and responsibilities go hand in hand. Toddlers don't have the right to keep and bear arms because they can't possibly be responsible for it. This has nothing to do with the rights of adults, nor with any government, so it is only here as a non-sequitur.

6) Nope. It's established by first principles. See the video in 1) again.

7) And being a free individual is not the same as being a citizen.
Crap! Beat me to it! I was going to use the gravity example for #1 too!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 18, 2015, 01:44:48 AM
I'd like to preface this post by saying, that, despite the bile I'm about to post, I am still glad that more and more young people--furries include--have a more libertarian (read: live & let live) attitude.  But seeing crap like this is still really annoying.

If this guy hadn't made this post friends only on facebook, I'd post a screencap.  Sadly, I'll have to do with words only.

OP:  "What the fuck."
And he posts this:
(https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/11136703_962625770437179_7624306191024345798_n.jpg?oh=7b397559e58da0f8986ac2890e43ce60&oe=559A1797)

Commentor one:   "That's because they want us to be stupid. They want us to be smart enough to do our jobs but stupid enough not to question anything."

Commentor two:  "'Murica"

OP (in comments):  "Hence why I am leaving this place. Fuck you, government."

Commentor two again:  "Lol. Take me with you. I'm dying to leave the land of the 'free'"

So government wants you to think you don't need them?  Good lord these people are stupid...and yes, this was one of my furry friends...because of COURSE it was. >.<*

Folks, education has been run by government for over a century now.  Even if you want to run a private school, hell, even if you want to homeschool your kids, you have to answer to government.  We spend more on education pretty much every year and yet this is still how it goes.  Cherry picking *one* statistic (federal spending) is not going to change the overall picture.

I will NEVER understand the people who bitch about "People are stupid!" while arguing for MORE government control and funding of education.

I will always adore Hawkeye's response to these hacks:  "Do you support public schooling? Then stuff all your silly complaints about all the dumb people you have to put up with in life.  Surely you can't be completely blind to the contradiction there."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on April 18, 2015, 02:32:09 PM
This article from the New York Times (as well as a good chunk of the comments section)

Ted Cruz's Strange Gun Argument (http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/04/17/ted-cruzs-strange-gun-argument/?_r=0) by Andrew Rosenthal. EDIT: While the article is about Cruz, the fail in question belongs to Rosenthal.

Quote from: Andrew Rosenthal...When the authors of the Second Amendment wrote about "a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," what they meant was that the new country needed to protect itself against threats from other countries, like, say, England.

They were not encouraging armed insurrection....

9_9
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on April 18, 2015, 09:37:39 PM
Trying to get health insurance quotes, getting endless links to "get free quote", not getting an ACTUAL FUCKING QUOTE. Being pissed off.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 19, 2015, 07:51:14 AM
"...When the authors of the Second Amendment wrote about "a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," what they meant was that the new country needed to protect itself against threats from other countries, like, say, England.

They were not encouraging armed insurrection...."

Uh...what does this clown think the authors of the second amendment had JUST BEEN DOING for the past several years at the time?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2015, 12:54:22 PM
(https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11054346_10152817043559423_2451628597320994173_n.jpg?oh=189e2bf1d8f7f4e17043d04ab2442253&oe=55A21280)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2015, 01:52:20 PM
This video:

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Me:  "I wasn't aware biology was a social construct...

The video reminds me of the platypus. It's an outlier, it doesn't perfectly fit the definition but it has more in common with mammals than birds or other types so mammal it is.  It doesn't destroy all of biology or taxonomy.

A few outliers do not override the general trend of the available data. Nor do different traditions regarding gender or biological sex change that.  Just because there are different views don't make something ambiguous.  The existence of different opinions doesn't change what is fact."

VarmitCoyote:  "My point is the facts themselves are organized into theories and those are socially constructed. Taxonomy is a bunch of facts, but we used to have two Kingdoms, and now we have as many as eight depending who you ask. That's a social construct. And our social constructs change over time as we learn more. This isn't the destruction of taxonomy, of course, because I'm describing how it continues to change, not how it's overturned. And so the same is true of sex and gender ^_^"

Yes, he's seriously arguing that because humans have organized the ideas into a theory (e.g. gravity), that means it's a social construct.  Gotta love these postermodernists.

I like that he's not frothing at the mouth the way most SJW trans people are, but then a well spoken post modernist is STILL a postmodernist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 19, 2015, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2015, 12:54:22 PM
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Man that's weak. I could say this:

"Only President Bush could get gas down to $1.50, end two regimes, get Bin Laden's second, bring unemployment below 4 percent, then be told he's failing as president"

and still be right. And it wouldn't make Bush any better than he really was (i.e. abysmal as a president).

(gas was down to that level in 08-09 IIRC: made direct auto-travel to Colorado cheap.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2015, 08:26:05 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on April 19, 2015, 08:20:13 PM
Man that's weak. I could say this:

"Only President Bush could get gas down to $1.50, end two regimes, get Bin Laden's second, bring unemployment below 4 percent, then be told he's failing as president"

and still be right. And it wouldn't make Bush any better than he really was (i.e. abysmal as a president).

(gas was down to that level in 08-09 IIRC: made direct auto-travel to Colorado cheap.

But you'll never hear a leftist recall that.  Funny how that works...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2015, 09:02:14 PM
"Women have always been the primary victims of war."--Hillary Clinton
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 19, 2015, 09:54:56 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2015, 09:02:14 PM
"Women have always been the primary victims of war."--Hillary Clinton

no...whoever's the poor bastard fighting the war for his warlord of choice (or not) is the primary victim.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 20, 2015, 06:46:39 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2015, 01:52:20 PM
The video reminds me of the platypus. It's an outlier, it doesn't perfectly fit the definition but it has more in common with mammals than birds or other types so mammal it is.  It doesn't destroy all of biology or taxonomy.

Plus, it's in the evolutionary line of descent for mammals. That's how the cladistic model works. It just means that the traits we associate with mammals (like live births) didn't happen all at once. It just means we have a new category of mammal: monotreme (which the platypus shares with the echidna).

QuoteVarmitCoyote:  "My point is the facts themselves are organized into theories and those are socially constructed. Taxonomy is a bunch of facts, but we used to have two Kingdoms, and now we have as many as eight depending who you ask. That's a social construct. And our social constructs change over time as we learn more. This isn't the destruction of taxonomy, of course, because I'm describing how it continues to change, not how it's overturned. And so the same is true of sex and gender ^_^"

That just means that our UNDERSTANDING of the real world has changed, not that it isn't real. It's no more a "social construct" than gravity.

Really, this is no different from Creationists saying, "See? Science changes all the time, therefore our idea is just as valid!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 22, 2015, 12:49:06 PM
I just had a friend tell me that Gary Johnson said he'd vote for Rand Paul, and the former doesn't support war and gave me this link:  http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/04/21/rand_paul_mccain_and_graham_are_obama_lapdogs_supported_hillarys_war_in_libya.html

"But we need someone like Rand Paul because he's more moderate and not a purist like Ruwart!"--the sentiment of a few too many libertarians.
...Am I seriously the only one who remembers how well that worked for Bob Barr in the 2008 elections?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 22, 2015, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 22, 2015, 12:49:06 PM
I just had a friend tell me that Gary Johnson said he'd vote for Rand Paul

Well: https://reason.com/blog/2015/02/27/gary-johnson-disputes-rand-pauls-liberta
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 22, 2015, 01:46:18 PM
Thanks Shane. :)

And on a similar note:

"We libertarians just need to infiltrate the Republican party!"--a few too many libertarians.

Because that worked so well for Ron Paul in 2008 & 2012.

The words "battered spouse syndrome" comes to mind with the ones still saying that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on April 23, 2015, 12:32:36 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2015, 12:54:22 PM
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So uh... did some research on this, and I just learned that @ozchrisrock is not, in fact, Chris Rock's twitter. That would be (surprise) @chrisrock.

I... I feel more stupid than usual.

EDIT: For what it's worth, I also learned this account has also been accused (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F5svhq9yCHtoKCvdDOqv5OTix0VvJDYKGPp3K4zzE_w/edit?usp=sharing) of plagarism (http://drteng.tumblr.com/post/104391874617/the-ozchrisrock-account-is-a-parody-spam-chris). So... that's a thing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on April 24, 2015, 04:20:48 AM
You know there are certainly legitimate complaints to be had about the TPP, but this guy just utterly fails at economics

http://economixcomix.com/home/tpp/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 24, 2015, 06:37:46 AM
QuoteRoll them sleeves up then. No need for me already ubermensch immune system. Only shots I got were the ones the army forced me and I've gone through enough detoxs to flush the poison out

someone's response to yet another st udy that debunks the supposed link between  vaccines and autism. and he is probably using t he term ubermensch unironically as he IS a white nationalist who liked to  pretend to be libertarian like Ryan Faulk.


As an aside, Let's have an experiment. Let's  assume they are right. unlikely but let's assume. That they are absolutely %100 correct in assum9ing vaccines cause Autism. So. The. @#$%. What? Are these people seriously trying that death by measles or smallpox is a better outocme th an living wiht autism? What a bunch of elitist pricks. So basically if they're wrong, than they're idiots. If they're rig ht, than they're bigots. there's no way they can come out of the argument looking good.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on April 24, 2015, 11:55:44 AM
Quote from: tnu on April 24, 2015, 06:37:46 AMAs an aside, Let's have an experiment. Let's  assume they are right. unlikely but let's assume. That they are absolutely %100 correct in assum9ing vaccines cause Autism. So. The. @#$%. What? Are these people seriously trying that death by measles or smallpox is a better outocme th an living wiht autism? What a bunch of elitist pricks. So basically if they're wrong, than they're idiots. If they're rig ht, than they're bigots. there's no way they can come out of the argument looking good.
It's easy to ignore the few people who are actually endangered at the moment because as long as the anti-vax idiocy doesn't spread too much, they are protected enough to have the luxury to not care.

QuoteRoll them sleeves up then. No need for me already ubermensch immune system. Only shots I got were the ones the army forced me and I've gone through enough detoxs to flush the poison out

Detox ... And for a vaccine, above that ...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 25, 2015, 08:17:53 AM
QuoteI know how the term regulate works Daniel. I've taken a couple law classes. I've also gone through the history of our law in high school. I know how it works. It is you that doesn't understand gun control. Gun control doesn't put guns into the hands of the elite. No. As already mentioned, gun control doesn't mean making guns illegal to purchase/own. Citizens are still able to purchase guns, it just means that it is regulated. Transportation is regulated. Doesn't mean cars are only in the hands of the elite. Do you agree that violent felons should be prohibited from purchasing or owning guns? If so, you support gun control. How about restriction based off age? You agree with that? If so, you are supporting a form of gun control/regulation. Same goes for the mentally unstable. They are prohibited from owning them because of their mental health issues. That is gun control/regulation. I know how this works daniel. I've studied this subject.
in response to Shanes video on the su bject of the word Regulate.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 25, 2015, 03:46:56 PM
http://viralwomen.com/post/a_reply_to_lauren_southerns_why_im_not_a_feminist
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 26, 2015, 10:15:57 AM
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Daniel Wilcox dear lord really? So Only the military and police had a "right to keep and bear arsm" under your understanding of the second amendment? I'm sorry bu8t that's a load of bull
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Daniel Wilcox Did y o u even WATCH the video I sent you?
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Daniel Wilcox Let me get this striaght? you're suggesting t hat asusming that it is one continouous sentiment that "the people" in thi s ocntext ONLY refers to the "militia""?
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Jason Dietzel Yes I have watched it. And it's bullshit. I am not saying that regulate means to prohibit. You are not comprehending my posts.
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Daniel Wilcox You are suggesting regulate means to restrict. when it in fact means the opposite in this context.
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Jason Dietzel Correct daniel. The original understanding of the Second is that the "people" are the people of the militia. As long as you were part of the local militia, which acted like the police force back in the day as a means to provide security for the community, you could keep and bear arms. Also, this only applied to free men (white) as women and blacks were not allowed to keep and bear arms.

Now, the Second has been reinterpreted to mean individual rights to keep and bear arms...and I'm fine with that, as long as it is properly regulated.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 26, 2015, 12:09:47 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 26, 2015, 10:15:57 AMThe original understanding of the Second is that the "people" are the people of the militia. As long as you were part of the local militia, which acted like the police force back in the day as a means to provide security for the community, you could keep and bear arms. Also, this only applied to free men (white) as women and blacks were not allowed to keep and bear arms.

Now, the Second has been reinterpreted to mean individual rights to keep and bear arms...and I'm fine with that, as long as it is properly regulated.

Funny how that isn't what they said in the ratification debates.

"Before a standing army can rule the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States." —Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (1787).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 27, 2015, 06:57:49 PM
Wow @ w9j15g breaking out every woo tactic in the book:

https://plus.google.com/117440551238215866319/posts/dWMYgoXsve9
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 27, 2015, 08:12:21 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 27, 2015, 06:57:49 PM
Wow @ w9j15g breaking out every woo tactic in the book:

https://plus.google.com/117440551238215866319/posts/dWMYgoXsve9
It's like the worst of the other brands of woo:  moon hoaxers, creationists, anti-vaxxers, etc all combined.  I chimed in as well.  I didn't have much to add, but oh well.

Another fail: https://twitter.com/IronFury51488/status/592836785098612736  Not Dave's post, but the replies from @thatfishscale and @rk70534 defending the Baltimore Riots that are currently underway.  Stay classy, folks...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on April 28, 2015, 08:48:03 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 27, 2015, 08:12:21 PM
It's like the worst of the other brands of woo:  moon hoaxers, creationists, anti-vaxxers, etc all combined.  I chimed in as well.  I didn't have much to add, but oh well.

Another fail: https://twitter.com/IronFury51488/status/592836785098612736  Not Dave's post, but the replies from @thatfishscale and @rk70534 defending the Baltimore Riots that are currently underway.  Stay classy, folks...

Those kind of answers really pisses me off because those rioters, do they have a code of conduct as a group, or are they a disorganized mass with no goals ? They clearly are the latter and that's why they loot shops and break other people's stuff instead of focusing on say, taking control of the police, getting evidence that they are denied, etc.
People don't want to aknowledge it, but fuck, humans are dumb as a group. That's just a fact of life. You don't trust a crowd, ever.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 28, 2015, 02:28:28 PM
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What a prick.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 29, 2015, 06:32:34 AM
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Shit like this is why we'll never be able to have a serious discussion of police brutality in this country. Whether it's the blatant casual racism or condescending excuse making. Fucking hell.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on April 29, 2015, 06:03:29 PM
Quoteregarding your claim that the government does not have the right to regulate business, well here is where you are wrong: the Commerce Clause from Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the Constitution states that US Congress shall have power "to regulate commerce with foreign nations (Foreign Commerce Clause), and among the several states (Interstate Commerce Clause), and with the Indian tribes (Indian Commerce Clause). The Necessary and Proper Clause can also be considered in relation to the Commerce Clause.

Quotedirect your attention to Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution: here, it states that Congress has the power to organize, arm and DISCIPLINE (aka regulate according to any dictionary) the militia. Plus, it states later on, that the individual states can enforce regulations prescribed by Congress, and appoint officers of the militia. If you look up the word "militia," you will see that it is a body of citizens who are responsible for the defense and public safety of communities...much like how the police department is now doing. militias are the predecessors to the police department. also, the militia can be used by the government in leiu of a standing army. George Washington even used militias to put down armed rebellions. one of the biggest concerns was that there shouldn't be a standing army in peace time, and the Constitution even suggests the standing army be reviewed every two years to see whether it should be defunded and disbanded. our founding fathers didn't want a standing army in peacetime and thought a militia would be best for community policing and defense.

Quoteso, the Second Amendment is about militias. the right to keep and bear arms is granted to the body of citizens in a militia, but only if that militia meets the standards/regulations prescribed by the government.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on April 29, 2015, 08:03:17 PM
Quote from: tnu on April 28, 2015, 02:28:28 PM
[yt]FIT_RMpbSRI[/yt]


What a prick.

Well his channel IS called "I Hate Everything"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 30, 2015, 02:41:11 PM
"Stop eye-raping me!"--another one from SJWs/Feminists
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on April 30, 2015, 07:08:29 PM
"When a person tells you that you hurt them, you don't get to decide that you didn't." - Louis C.K.

Seeing this posted by SJWs I know. Sorry, but what if the person is clearly making shit up?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 01, 2015, 07:33:32 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 01, 2015, 12:30:26 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 01, 2015, 07:33:32 AM
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Considering these posters track record, I'm convinced at this point the people who make them just pull shit out of their asses.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on May 01, 2015, 03:11:46 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 01, 2015, 12:30:26 PM
Considering these posters track record, I'm convinced at this point the people who make them just pull shit out of their asses.

And in addition to that, when you compare this poster with countries like, say, France, you notice some discrepancies ... Something clearly wrong in the argument. We have universal healthcare, we had retirement at 60 until a few years ago, all schools are publicly funded to some extent, the minimum wage gets a tiny raise every year, we tax quite a lot, and yet, we can't seem to be able to make it work and we bleed money ...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 01, 2015, 03:46:56 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 01, 2015, 12:30:26 PM
Considering these posters track record, I'm convinced at this point the people who make them just pull shit out of their asses.

Yeah, which is why I decided to create my own counter-examples: http://imgur.com/a/Cl7ww#0
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 01, 2015, 08:09:20 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 01, 2015, 03:46:56 PM
Yeah, which is why I decided to create my own counter-examples: http://imgur.com/a/Cl7ww#0
Sweet! Totally fav'd those. :) Love that you included the one on military stuff as well. n.n
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 02, 2015, 10:24:06 AM
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Never mind that slavery was on the way out in the Confederacy anyway.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 02, 2015, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 02, 2015, 10:24:06 AM
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Never mind that slavery was on the way out in the Confederacy anyway.

And the only reason it wasn't already gone is the real reason the Confederacy lost:  It wasn't as far along in industrialization.  In an essentially agricultural economy, with little to no industrial manufacturing or mechanization, the efficiency of slavery isn't lower by enough to strongly discourage it.  Once you get some serious factories going or some real mechanization in farming, the economics of slaveholding, even if you can transfer some portions of the direct costs to your society in general through the use of government, just don't work well enough to compete with those who don't do it.  (Notice that slavery in most jurisdictions goes out within a generation of the general introduction of mechanization in major industries.  That's why the UK was one of the first to do away with it, being one of the origination areas of mechanization.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 02, 2015, 01:30:14 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on May 02, 2015, 11:53:14 AM
And the only reason it wasn't already gone is the real reason the Confederacy lost:  It wasn't as far along in industrialization.  In an essentially agricultural economy, with little to no industrial manufacturing or mechanization, the efficiency of slavery isn't lower by enough to strongly discourage it.  Once you get some serious factories going or some real mechanization in farming, the economics of slaveholding, even if you can transfer some portions of the direct costs to your society in general through the use of government, just don't work well enough to compete with those who don't do it.  (Notice that slavery in most jurisdictions goes out within a generation of the general introduction of mechanization in major industries.  That's why the UK was one of the first to do away with it, being one of the origination areas of mechanization.)
Not to mention, had the poster OP's holy government not supported slavery through laws such as the 1837 Fugitive Slave Act, it's most likely slavery would have died out 1) much sooner and 2) without a war at all.  Just like it did in nearly every other country that abolished slavery (Haiti was a slave uprising).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 02, 2015, 01:37:45 PM
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Post modernism everybody! Postmodernism...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on May 02, 2015, 03:02:14 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 02, 2015, 01:37:45 PM
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Post modernism everybody! Postmodernism...

I do believe this bit of bogosity from Luce Irigaray has come up before. (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=315.msg24457#msg24457)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 02, 2015, 03:13:22 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on May 02, 2015, 03:02:14 PM
I do believe this bit of bogosity from Luce Irigaray has come up before. (https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=315.msg24457#msg24457)
That fail is so big it NEEDED to be posted twice. ;3
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 02, 2015, 03:40:30 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 02, 2015, 01:37:45 PM
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Post modernism everybody! Postmodernism...

Let's see....


According to her Wikipedia writeup, she's a communist, a linguist, a philosopher, a psychoanalyst, a psycholinguist, a sociologist, and a cultural theorist.  This set of traits and areas of academician are almost as damning of her as the fact that modern feminists object to her work not because it's blatant rubbish but because she's perceived to be heteronormative is to them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 02, 2015, 05:20:18 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on May 02, 2015, 03:40:30 PM
Let's see....


According to her Wikipedia writeup, she's a communist, a linguist, a philosopher, a psychoanalyst, a psycholinguist, a sociologist, and a cultural theorist.  This set of traits and areas of academician are almost as damning of her as the fact that modern feminists object to her work not because it's blatant rubbish but because she's perceived to be heteronormative is to them.
And people wonder why those fields of academia aren't taken seriously!  Folks, you want us to take you seriously, start calling out the fuckwads in your field like this!  Don't ignore them and pretend to be surprised when we don't take *you* seriously when you fly the same flag!  And yeah, in other words, because her stuff wasn't stupid enough, basically.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 02, 2015, 05:36:00 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on May 02, 2015, 11:53:14 AM
And the only reason it wasn't already gone is the real reason the Confederacy lost:  It wasn't as far along in industrialization.  In an essentially agricultural economy, with little to no industrial manufacturing or mechanization, the efficiency of slavery isn't lower by enough to strongly discourage it.  Once you get some serious factories going or some real mechanization in farming, the economics of slaveholding, even if you can transfer some portions of the direct costs to your society in general through the use of government, just don't work well enough to compete with those who don't do it.  (Notice that slavery in most jurisdictions goes out within a generation of the general introduction of mechanization in major industries.  That's why the UK was one of the first to do away with it, being one of the origination areas of mechanization.)

the UK's story regarding slavery--especially England's--is kind of weird. Apparently William the Conqueror made it illegal to own a slave on English soil (apparently so he could make money off of now freed thralls), with laws and synods in England upholding this move afterwards. It remained illegal until slavery itself was totally banned in the 1830's. This was upheld in a couple of court cases in the 1770's.

put bluntly, you couldn't own a slave on English soil, but you can have one in the colonies. Industrialization certainly sped the process up of eliminating slavery in the UK, but the roots go back to the dark ages.

Sargon of Akkad coincidentally made a video a while back on the matter.

anyways:

(https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11205612_1564324733828471_1335109902361380176_n.jpg?oh=ca70b39a88e7a93840ebca3eaae2f8b4&oe=55CA804C)

well, I believe in slow, exquisite and painful (for the target) debunking:

-I was unaware that the cosmic speed limit being supremely important to understanding the universe currently blighted by you, was by its nature sexist.
-similarly, I had no idea that trying to understand nature is sexist.
-The above equation is one of a series of equations regarding matter and light; in fact it's not even complete: this is the reduced form of the equation for an object at rest.

next part:

-science has no trouble understanding fluid dynamics: the various classifications of fluids based on viscosity and reaction to physical changes (velocity and force imparted on it) is a good start (E.G. Newtonian, non-Newtonian, Bingham, and Thixotropic). then there are two basic flows: laminar and turbulent flow (you missed laminar). And these are the things related to the branch of geology I studied most (Sedimentology and stratigraphy).
-if you are jealous of guys not being under the rag or "leaking" to the same extent as women, get a sex-change.
-well, yeah: it's kind of hard not to impregnate women without ejaculating. What this has to do with people's desire to study fluid mechanics is beyond me
-no, it doesn't merely conceive fluid flow as just laminar. There are mathematical ways of expressing turbulent flow: it's imperfect, but only because it is impossible to track every last moving particle in a flow. In fact, did this possibility for simplified viewing being a necessity ever occur to you?!
-fluids exist in science as "non-solids"? WTF?
-or you don't know what you're talking about. (her last sentence).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 03, 2015, 05:25:07 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 02, 2015, 05:36:00 PM
Apparently William the Conqueror made it illegal to own a slave on English soil (apparently so he could make money off of now freed thralls)

This is the same man who used Morton's Fork to justify transferring most of the money in England's (mostly newly) established noble's coffers into his personal coffers, so...

Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 02, 2015, 05:36:00 PM
-fluids exist in science as "non-solids"? WTF?

Well, there's liquids, and gasses, and plasmas, and electronic and neucleonic degenerate mater states, all of which are fluids in the sense that they have no external shape maintained by their internal structure like a solid has (there's also supercritical fluids and superfluids, which some of the above are or can be) and that's all the states of mater that I've ever heard of beyond solid.  In that sense, the only truly unifying feature of non-solids is that they are all fluids.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 03, 2015, 10:44:20 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on May 03, 2015, 05:25:07 AM
This is the same man who used Morton's Fork to justify transferring most of the money in England's (mostly newly) established noble's coffers into his personal coffers, so...

as mentioned, it was a quick-rich scheme. Man wasn't famed for his scruples (Morton's fork doesn't hold a candle to his destruction of Northern England). I only remarked on this matter since it had an unintended (if good) consequence.

QuoteWell, there's liquids, and gasses, and plasmas, and electronic and neucleonic degenerate mater states, all of which are fluids in the sense that they have no external shape maintained by their internal structure like a solid has (there's also supercritical fluids and superfluids, which some of the above are or can be) and that's all the states of mater that I've ever heard of beyond solid.  In that sense, the only truly unifying feature of non-solids is that they are all fluids.

It isn't that she's wrong as such. It's the implication that they are all treated the same...It's a false dichotomy--or at least an incomplete one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on May 03, 2015, 11:50:30 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 03, 2015, 10:44:20 PM
as mentioned, it was a quick-rich scheme. Man wasn't famed for his scruples (Morton's fork doesn't hold a candle to his destruction of Northern England). I only remarked on this matter since it had an unintended (if good) consequence.

It isn't that she's wrong as such. It's the implication that they are all treated the same...It's a false dichotomy--or at least an incomplete one.

Also, apparently the British Parliament decided that the Navy was going to start attacking slave ships, and any slave would be free if they landed on British soil (including her overseas possessions) in 1772. Which gives me reason to believe that maybe the goals of the American revolution weren't quite as noble as we're led to believe, or at least not entirely.

As for the other thing, if this is that lady that's on about how men are treated like solids and women like liquids, all I can say is: fallacious comparison.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 04, 2015, 07:11:38 AM
If feminism isn't about the personal choice a woman makes on how to run her life, then it has no point in existing at all.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEJHQrZWMAAFpjY.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 04, 2015, 07:29:00 AM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on May 04, 2015, 07:11:38 AM
If feminism isn't about the personal choice a woman makes on how to run her life, then it has no point in existing at all.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEJHQrZWMAAFpjY.png)

Unless you're one of the people SELLING the fall-back to 3rd wave Feminism, which is so completely a 1960's throwback.  When the original 3rd Wavers faded in the 70's and early 80's and the idea that women should choose what they wanted to do came to the front, Feminism did useful things. Now, Josh is just trying to impose his will on as many women as possible, and Anita is just in it to pick their pockets while he does.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 04, 2015, 02:52:08 PM
https://www.facebook.com/CopBlockBlock
Please tell me this is a parody page...
Because being a smug douche is that easy when you're the one with the gun and immunity.  Assholes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 04, 2015, 04:49:13 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on May 04, 2015, 07:11:38 AM
If feminism isn't about the personal choice a woman makes on how to run her life, then it has no point in existing at all.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEJHQrZWMAAFpjY.png)
Great another communist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 04, 2015, 05:19:05 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 04, 2015, 04:49:13 PM
Great another communist.

It's not surprising. Her boyfriend, and the brains behind it all, has denounced capitalism and praised Marx several times.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4LgbD-IgAEcXI9.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 04, 2015, 05:41:42 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on May 04, 2015, 05:19:05 PM
It's not surprising. Her boyfriend, and the brains behind it all, has denounced capitalism and praised Marx several times.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4LgbD-IgAEcXI9.jpg)

Hey, now wait a minute, not so fast! This "democratic participatory planning process" might have something to it!

So, like, everyone gets together and votes on what products companies should make, how many, and who gets them.

Of course, that would be overly complex, but we could make it simpler by everybody voting on the products they want. And to make it more efficient, they can vote at any time.

Now, some products are more difficult to make than others. So people could have multiple votes. Some higher-value products require more of a citizen's votes to obtain.

Of course, we want the citizens to contribute to the process as well, so they can be rewarded by doing so. They can receive votes from others, and can then vote for the things that they want.

That way, ANYBODY could get more things just by doing more things for others and getting votes for it!

So, we'll have a system where citizens provide goods or services from others, and in exchange get votes, which they can turn around and exchange for other goods and services.

SO much better than a market!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 04, 2015, 08:32:33 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 04, 2015, 05:41:42 PM
Hey, now wait a minute, not so fast! This "democratic participatory planning process" might have something to it!

So, like, everyone gets together and votes on what products companies should make, how many, and who gets them.

Of course, that would be overly complex, but we could make it simpler by everybody voting on the products they want. And to make it more efficient, they can vote at any time.

Now, some products are more difficult to make than others. So people could have multiple votes. Some higher-value products require more of a citizen's votes to obtain.

Of course, we want the citizens to contribute to the process as well, so they can be rewarded by doing so. They can receive votes from others, and can then vote for the things that they want.

That way, ANYBODY could get more things just by doing more things for others and getting votes for it!

So, we'll have a system where citizens provide goods or services from others, and in exchange get votes, which they can turn around and exchange for other goods and services.

SO much better than a market!
Glad I'm not the only one who thought of it this way. ;D
And yeah, something interesting to share with the Venus Project nutbars who want "economic democracy" or whatever.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 05, 2015, 06:56:04 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 04, 2015, 08:32:33 PM
Glad I'm not the only one who thought of it this way. ;D
And yeah, something interesting to share with the Venus Project nutbars who want "economic democracy" or whatever.

I would LOVE to know precisely what could be more democratic than a free market.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on May 05, 2015, 08:26:07 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on May 05, 2015, 06:56:04 AM
I would LOVE to know porecisly what could be more democratic than a free market.

I think that given McIntosh history, it's quite clear that he is thinking about some rule of the majority. Participatory would only mean that you would vote a lot more, and on things that are currently done by the market. Instead of having competition on a free market, you would have competition on a ballot and the rules of the poll would decide who "wins", which would be pretty neat for his side because, as in politics, they would only need to convince the mass the same way politicians do it. As long as you keep partisanship intact, you can keep what you don't like out of society, and even better, you can actually shame people for their personnal choices.
There are people  who align themself with Sarkeesian, him and others and don't understand why the word marxism always end up in the discussion, but really, this kind of feminists do all the work for us ...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 05, 2015, 09:00:29 PM
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/05/proof-male-privilege/
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 05, 2015, 11:42:04 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 06, 2015, 06:51:26 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 05, 2015, 11:42:04 PM
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"Harriet Tubman wants to eliminate slavery. But she grew up a slave, worked as a slave, and was fed and paid by slave owners. Hypocrisy, much?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2015, 05:30:24 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 25, 2015, 06:35:12 PM
As are the two who responded. They do realize that the human race would go extinct, right?
Honestly, I think that's kind of the point.  It's why I never understood how people say leftism (e.g. Social Justice & Environmentalism) is motivated by benevolence.  It's the most misanthropic, most vile philosophy you can get (not to say conservatitism isn't too far behind...really, it applies to statism in general, let's be honest here)!  It's like they're confusing being a Negative Nancy with being smart and mature.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 09, 2015, 07:56:27 AM
Movie Bob really is a worthless sack of shit.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEj3XYfWoAAWYdm.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 09, 2015, 08:46:13 AM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on May 09, 2015, 07:56:27 AM
Movie Bob really is a worthless sack of shit.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEj3XYfWoAAWYdm.png)
Wow, THese guys love to project.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 10, 2015, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on May 09, 2015, 07:56:27 AM
Movie Bob really is a worthless sack of shit.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEj3XYfWoAAWYdm.png)
...Can someone PLEASE explain to me why SJWs and other leftists love Islam?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 10, 2015, 09:50:02 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 10, 2015, 08:04:15 PM
...Can someone PLEASE explain to me why SJWs and other leftists love Islam?

It's not even the right question to be asking. But to answer:

It's not that they do so (why would they? the beliefs in Islam are quite conservative): I think it's simply that they conflate having problems with the religion, with having problems with Muslims as a people. (which Geller and her people, to be fair, do regularly: no excuses for what happened though).

It happens on both sides really--and this sort of assumption is kind of retarded.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on May 10, 2015, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on May 09, 2015, 07:56:27 AM
Movie Bob really is a worthless sack of shit.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEj3XYfWoAAWYdm.png)

I haven't heard of much tension between Muslims and other Texans in general until that nonsense in Irving (which was the focus of an Idiot Extraordinaire a couple weeks back).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 10, 2015, 11:00:46 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on May 10, 2015, 10:12:45 PM
I haven't heard of much tension between Muslims and other Texans in general until that nonsense in Irving (which was the focus of an Idiot Extraordinaire a couple weeks back).

It's because it hasn't been reported (or to be accurate, not worth reporting). Mostly because, as much as I hate to admit it, most Texans are decent people, and far from what I'd call religiously bigoted (what they think about other races though...). But there's very rarely an occasional incident: mom had the misfortune of having a beer-bottle thrown at her as she was about to step into the house where we were.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on May 12, 2015, 02:49:57 AM
I know that there was a specific thread for this somewhere, but hell if I can find it. (I guess if Shane finds it, he can move it there)

Anyway, I propose that part of the "not" getting equal pay for equal work might be the QUALITY of the work. Just because Travis and I have the same job, does not mean we do said job equally well, it's even (justifiably in my unhumble opinion) possible that the one who's been at it LONGER could make less than the other, because the one who's been at it for a shorter time does a MUCH SUPERIOR job. Also, it isn't equal work, it's same job title.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 13, 2015, 01:49:29 AM
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Translation: How I can project my own insecurities onto Disney films.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 13, 2015, 09:59:55 AM
Both the video and the comments:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 13, 2015, 11:06:28 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 13, 2015, 09:59:55 AM
Both the video and the comments:

[yt]sEQHRnXGQwo[/yt]

you going to cover this one on the podcast too?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on May 13, 2015, 11:09:05 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 13, 2015, 09:59:55 AM
Both the video and the comments:

[yt]sEQHRnXGQwo[/yt]

1) One of the things that made me question the leftist politics I was raised in, in conjunction with other ideas, is the realization that yes, all human interactions are fundamentally transactions. The currencies vary (It could be money as well as emotional gratification), but the principle is the same : people only invest in what they feel provide enough value to be encouraged. The idea still holds when you only do things to get peace. And if we look at history, as Shives suggest, the only thing I can think of that makes things immoral, is when someone breaks the transactions by initiating force.

2)Well, not much to say, because it's classic statist bullshit. "the taxes makes things better for everybody" nope. "The government is democratically elected" non-sequitur. It's really damning for the claim of intellectual honesty of the person when the simple fact that governments use force can't even be admitted in plain words. Even in the early days of socialism, there were people on the left of the spectrum who recognized that, and they still exists today. It's not like it's hard to find ...

3)"how dare anyone beat his breast over an oppressive government while working to advance the interests of corporations over those of the people whose labour corporations seek to exploit"

"see, libertarians got it backwards. we don't need laws to take our freedoms away. we need laws to protect our freedoms, to guard them from those who would rob us of our liberty from our own profit"

Someone has not been paying attention. (You need to hear it in context to fully understand what he is saying, but it shows his lack of efforts either way)

4)Well, I've never read Von Mises, but it's irrelevant because wether his base rational is unscientific or not, data can still be collected, and it does not favour the leftist way sooooooo ... Also, saying that libertarians base their philosophy entirely on the idea of this one guy is laughable. I've never read him, I don't care, I want logic and reason.

5)"if libertarianism is so evidently superior, how is it that not one country has chosen to govern itself in this way" Argument from popularity. From an atheist it's quite ridiculous to hear ... Well, gee, I don't know Steve, most countries waste their time switching between the left and the right, what does that tell you ? Obviously, they are both equally valid so we really should stop worrying about that.
Then he talks about libertarian societies always failing, even on the smallest scale ... Well, I would want names, but he doesn't give any away. At least he didn't mention Somalia :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 13, 2015, 02:40:31 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 13, 2015, 09:59:55 AM
Both the video and the comments:

[yt]sEQHRnXGQwo[/yt]
What a prick!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 13, 2015, 09:34:22 PM
http://comments.deviantart.com/1/531418516/3829519975 (http://comments.deviantart.com/1/531418516/3829519975)

One obnoxious comment thread to a satirical piece I wrote:
Quoteaceking90: So you are now using fake news as a means to prove a point? That's sounds like typical anti feminist/conservative tactics to me. You can't use real facts so you make up your owns, just like Fox News.

BlameThe1st: What part of SATIRE evaded you here?

aceking90: None of it. It was just bad satire because you are using  it as a means to show how "evil" feminist are while never actually giving a real world example. Compare this to John Stewart, when he makes fun of the republican party or other members of the conservative right he actually has facts and statistics to back up his argument. He doesn't just make up stories to prove a point.

BlameThe1st: You don't read the Onion, do you? This fake article is in the same style as theirs. And by the way, this article was based on the news story about the colleges which created "safe spaces" for women during a speech by an "anti-feminist." The point of this satire was to highlight how ridiculous that was.

aceking90: The onion is not trying to make political argument. Also I doubt what you claim about colleges setting up safe zones for women is true. So find me a story about it from a neutral third party, not a men's rights sight.

BlameThe1st: All satire, all comedy, makes a point, wheter the person making the joke intended or not.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 16, 2015, 02:58:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/WHX7iCV.jpg)

I might have supported this sentiment back when I supported the death penalty, but now that I've done more research, I now know that the death penalty is much more costly (http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2014/05/01/considering-the-death-penalty-your-tax-dollars-at-work/) than life imprisonment. So this meme is fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2015, 07:09:33 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 16, 2015, 02:58:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/WHX7iCV.jpg)

I might have supported this sentiment back when I supported the death penalty, but now that I've done more research, I now know that the death penalty is much more costly (http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2014/05/01/considering-the-death-penalty-your-tax-dollars-at-work/) than life imprisonment. So this meme is fail.
I will personally always adore the (win) response from Shane regarding the Death penalty.
Fact:  innocent people have been murdered via the death penalty by the state.
Also Fact:  giving moral encouragement to a criminal so he'll commit a crime makes you just as guilty of that crime as the one who did the act. (as Hawkeye explains here:  http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/Why-are-you-still-a-statist-219816956 )
Ergo: anyone for the death penalty is guilty of murder by proxy (or whichever term Shane used)!  And by their own logic, they deserve to be killed themselves!

Consistency & 1st principles.  They're a bitch like that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 17, 2015, 10:21:42 AM
Greg's comments on both of these:   

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1570184319909179&id=100007528785584

https://www.facebook.com/lucas.galarza.14/posts/831950463539407
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on May 18, 2015, 06:43:19 AM
While searching on the subject of libertarian superheros.

http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2013/05/film-review-iron-man-3-politics

Mother Jones!

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 22, 2015, 02:20:49 PM
In response to me saying I want to move to Chattanooga TN for the 1000 Mbps connection (or possibly to a city with Google Fiber, is actually available in some cities not just under construction):
"But Travis! That's too much bandwidth, you'd never be able to use it all legally! We have 50 mbit and we barely use that."

My response:  "Awesome, give some of it to me", or "Prove it using math, or STFU & GTFO."

Gotta love people in ivory towers...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on May 22, 2015, 03:21:38 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 22, 2015, 02:20:49 PM
In response to me saying I want to move to Chattanooga TN for the 1000 Mbps connection (or possibly to a city with Google Fiber, is actually available in some cities not just under construction):
"But Travis! That's too much bandwidth, you'd never be able to use it all legally! We have 50 mbit and we barely use that."

My response:  "Awesome, give some of it to me", or "Prove it using math, or STFU & GTFO."

Gotta love people in ivory towers...

That might have just been a joke. I use that kind of humor all the time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: ArtemisVale on May 22, 2015, 03:31:48 PM
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11133835_1155455577813376_2086248893485727849_n.jpg?oh=008fede5b675cfa8e3045906380c3188&oe=55FB12E0)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on May 22, 2015, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 22, 2015, 02:20:49 PM
In response to me saying I want to move to Chattanooga TN for the 1000 Mbps connection (or possibly to a city with Google Fiber, is actually available in some cities not just under construction):
"But Travis! That's too much bandwidth, you'd never be able to use it all legally! We have 50 mbit and we barely use that."

My response:  "Awesome, give some of it to me", or "Prove it using math, or STFU & GTFO."

Gotta love people in ivory towers...

I have been able to roughly reach the download rate of a 500Mb/s line on the Origin servers (I have a 1000Mo line), and it's very nice to be able to get most games in less than 15 minutes regardles of the size. Most servers I use never get to half that rate though. Even on Steam I rarely go above 25Mo/s, and if so, by not much, with maybe one exception at around 30. The point is, there is a use for high speed connections, and everyone knows that it'll only get more useful in the near future. There are already games worth above 100Go of data out there (I had one MMO like that once, did not have fiber at the time :()

Also, I don't know what solutions providers use in the US, but the fiber has been a trigger to a very fast construction of a new network in France, because since people can't use all the bandwith,  providers make several people share one line. That enabled widespread cover at quite a fast rate and at roughly the same price as ADSL.

The old technologies would never have been able to raise the pace of the construction of a solid network for 100% of people. Fiber do. There are litteraly no reasons to not want more fiber everywhere.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 22, 2015, 05:12:15 PM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on May 22, 2015, 03:21:38 PM
That might have just been a joke. I use that kind of humor all the time.

It was definitely serious, based on the rest of the conversation.  That and there was no indication that it was a joke.

Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on May 22, 2015, 04:04:58 PM
I have been able to roughly reach the download rate of a 500Mb/s line on the Origin servers (I have a 1000Mo line), and it's very nice to be able to get most games in less than 15 minutes regardles of the size. Most servers I use never get to half that rate though. Even on Steam I rarely go above 25Mo/s, and if so, by not much, with maybe one exception at around 30. The point is, there is a use for high speed connections, and everyone knows that it'll only get more useful in the near future. There are already games worth above 100Go of data out there (I had one MMO like that once, did not have fiber at the time :()

Also, I don't know what solutions providers use in the US, but the fiber has been a trigger to a very fast construction of a new network in France, because since people can't use all the bandwith,  providers make several people share one line. That enabled widespread cover at quite a fast rate and at roughly the same price as ADSL.

The old technologies would never have been able to raise the pace of the construction of a solid network for 100% of people. Fiber do. There are litteraly no reasons to not want more fiber everywhere.
It's because of government bullshit.  Cable & Teleco (and other utilities for that matter) are given monopolies by local governments over the place they govern.  It SUCKS.  Verizon FiOS is not in my area and unless I go with dial-up or satellite (which would kill my ability to play games with friends or participate in the podcast because of the lag), my only other choice is Comcast...and let's just say they're legendary for how sucky they are.  Like, even the IRS has higher rated customer service.  I wish I was making that up.  So I have to rely on their crappy DSL + phone for $80 to $100/month for speeds like this:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/4379277930.png)

And note that the phone doesn't include long distance either.  That's just for local numbers.  We have to use a long distance card if we want to call long distance.  And because I live in the middle of nowhere, we don't get mobile reception, something likely made worse by more government meddling of network infrastructure.  So yeah.  Thanks GOVCO!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on May 22, 2015, 07:19:43 PM
Before switching to fiber, I had a similar connection to yours, so I know it sucks big time. Though, I didn't have to deal with those phone restrictions bullshit. The price was better to. If I were to throw a ballpark estimate of the equivalence, accounting for the differences in relations to average wages and how much life costs, I'd say I was paying something lie 60 to 70$.

The french government actually gave providers incentives to create a new and better network as fast as possible by subsidizing them (not with tax cuts but by giving them money). It's kind of funny to hear them tout their own horn at how smart and useful they are with this policy, when they really are just making a one-off of something that is always better anyway ... Now, the wierd thing, or completely expected depending on who you ask, is that they don't give every provider the same opportunities. The plans have to be veted by officials obviously, and only the chosen few can associate between themselves and benefit from the subsidies. As an example, in my area, it was two of them (among 4 or 5 providers and we have to add to that the professionals who can make the network but don't sell access). So, of course, the ones who are not chosen complain, because it is a way of giving an unfair advantage to some at the expense of others ... Which is forbidden by the european constitution (treaty of rome of 2004 if I read correctly).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on May 23, 2015, 01:41:46 AM
Oh, Cracked! What happened to you?!?
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-atheist-community-hurting-itself_p2/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 23, 2015, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 23, 2015, 01:41:46 AM
Oh, Cracked! What happened to you?!?
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-atheist-community-hurting-itself_p2/
>>Defensive
I'm about this || close to putting that in the same bin as I do common sense...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on May 23, 2015, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: ArtemisVale on May 22, 2015, 03:31:48 PM
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Devils postpile?

http://www.fromthegrapevine.com/nature/11-intriguing-basalt-formations-around-world

and there's also a feature in South America (I forget where: looking for it atm), where basalt columns eroded in such a way that it looks like a man-made house.

OK, obviously society isn't basalt, but then, what the guy did was a straw-man anyways.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on May 23, 2015, 10:51:22 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on May 23, 2015, 10:27:05 AM
>>Defensive
I'm about this || close to putting that in the same bin as I do common sense...

I can't be bothered to read anything that anyone has to say about atheism anymore ... It's so simple to understand and yet, some people can't stop inserting their own bullshit in the discussion ...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 24, 2015, 03:28:34 AM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on May 23, 2015, 10:51:22 PM
I can't be bothered to read anything that anyone has to say about atheism anymore ... It's so simple to understand and yet, some people can't stop inserting their own bullshit in the discussion ...

At least when atheists try and do that, the inherent herd-of-cats nature of any grouping based on a lack of belief ensures it explodes and demonstrates them to be stupid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on May 24, 2015, 03:15:47 PM
ThinkProgress: Why it's so difficult to be a working parent in America, in one (cherry-picked) Venn diagram (https://twitter.com/thinkprogress/status/602209157538680833)

Related article: The Best And Worst States To Raise Kids (based on entirely superficial reasoning) (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/05/20/3660754/iwpr-working-parents-report/)

Summary: Most-all states are terrible places to raise kids because federal/state governments don't guarantee paid maternity/sick leave.

Bonus bogons go to various re-tweets for the usual reasons.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 25, 2015, 12:55:04 PM
https://www.facebook.com/cody.mathison.3/posts/454291814733921?pnref=story

Not a fail in and of itself (Though I really don't get the being a nightowl bashing...how is that good or bad?) And I see where he's getting at, but...I will NEVER understand people who have this mentality, but are aren't against (and in the case of a UK furry are still for) government welfare schemes.  The "oh, that's fine, just don't use the money badly on video games, etc!"

Because of the way these programs are run and incentivized, what the hell do they think will happen?  For those who aren't familiar with the data, the poor just stay poor, their lives ruined for their feels.  It just shows they don't care about the poor.  They just nod at them getting state assistance for social acceptance.

I put my thoughts on the status as well in the comments:

Quote from: Yours TrulyFunny you should mention that:  https://sites.google.com/site/anthropomorphicresearch/past-results/anthrocon-2012-iarp-2-year-summary
The furry psychology section, especially that last one.
From what I understand furries are no more "broken/maladjusted" than the general population, with the exception of an increased chance of having Autism or a related disorder (e.g. Asperger's Syndrome) and are actually more likely to say they have a place or positive self identity or something like that.  You'd have to ask someone like Courtney 'Nuka' Plante (the person in charge of the studies) for more information.

The same research link showed that the average furry also tends to make about average income as the general population, so it's most likely just the people you're hanging around, or just confirmation bias, much like the media and furry sexuality (I'm pretty sure not all furs have fursuit sex).

On a related note, it's why I'm against government welfare/stuff in the first place.  How many people would even need it if we weren't taxed to pay for that, along with a bunch of wars and pork barrel boondoggles?  So yeah...An-cap fur here. :P

I will never understand how one can have the mentality of Cody's above post, but be okay with or for government welfare.  That mentality is like being for the slaughter of cows, but against the consumption of beef.  It makes zero sense.

I'm reminded of Harry Browne's old saying of, "Government breaks your leg, hands you a crutch and says, 'See? Without us, you couldn't walk!"  And instead of blaming the government, people like this tend to rant on the folks who had their leg broken by govco saying, "why do you not just work harder?"  Completely missing the big picture.  Saying, "well we can always shame them!" Will NOT change the fact that they've had their legs figuratively broken.  It might make them less likely to go on welfare or seek help, but the problem isn't "social acceptance" it's the government initiating force to begin with.  The people saying this sound like the "well I blame society" feminists.  If something isn't mathematically feasible or not will be unaffected by "but society thinks!" (which is a complete cop out anyways along with "common sense" or "God works in mysterious ways")  Not to mention completely putting the cart in front of the horse and confusing correlation with causation!  How many people would think that if there wasn't government welfare?  And notice how it only became a thing after govco's welfare was in full swing, after the destruction of capital that WOULD allow them to improve themselves?

Hence why I call it blaming the person who had his leg broken instead of blaming the guy who broke his leg in the first place.  Completely misses the forest for the trees.

The TL;DR version:  You don't shame or blame a person for breaking a window to get into a building if the only door is on the roof!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 26, 2015, 11:27:38 AM
Putting Bob Murphy here because he's a dick with a bad sense of judgment.

He went to see the new Mad Max movie and walked out because it depicted a cruel society where Mohawk haired lunatics kill any man with a sense of values and kidnap any halfway decent looking woman. The only thing is, that's pretty much every Mad Max film ever made and it comes with the territory. I responded, saying that while it's perfectly fine if he didn't like the movie, walking out because it features something it featured in ALL the movies is like walking out of Planet of the Apes because it has apes. He responds with this douchebag snarky comment, then unfriends me and I can't directly respond back.

(http://i59.tinypic.com/ou0gf6.jpg)

I didn't realize Bob was such a child.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on May 28, 2015, 09:24:52 AM
Combined BBE/IE/Douchebag of the Year nominee: Organized Labour & the City of Los Angeles:

Step One: Advocate for a $15/hr min. wage.

Step Two: Wait until it's virtually guaranteed that step one will happen.

Step Three: Advocate for an exemption to Step one for those that belong to your little group, and those who have agreements with them.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/05/27/los_angeles_15_minimum_wage_labor_unions_want_to_be_exempt_from_it.html?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5566813204d3014d00000001&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter (http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/05/27/los_angeles_15_minimum_wage_labor_unions_want_to_be_exempt_from_it.html?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5566813204d3014d00000001&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on May 28, 2015, 12:51:51 PM
Quote from: dallen68 on May 28, 2015, 09:24:52 AM
Combined BBE/IE/Douchebag of the Year nominee: Organized Labour & the City of Los Angeles:

Step One: Advocate for a $15/hr min. wage.

Step Two: Wait until it's virtually guaranteed that step one will happen.

Step Three: Advocate for an exemption to Step one for those that belong to your little group, and those who have agreements with them.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/05/27/los_angeles_15_minimum_wage_labor_unions_want_to_be_exempt_from_it.html?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5566813204d3014d00000001&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter (http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/05/27/los_angeles_15_minimum_wage_labor_unions_want_to_be_exempt_from_it.html?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5566813204d3014d00000001&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter)

Fuck that. It's making memories resurface ... In France, all the overtime is required by law to be paid with a bonus of 25% on the hourly wage. But of course, it's only required until collective bargaining happens ... In my old work, unions had negotiated overtime at half that rate. So we got a 12.5% bonus on our overtime ... For fuck's sake, those guys don't know what they are doing. If you aren't going to use the laws, then why making them in the first place ? If you want unions to bargain for their colleagues, then why not just do that and avoid all the unnecessary complications that comes with law making ? Of course, it doesn't explain why one would accept the idea of collective bargaining at all since logic tells us that unions can't possibly account for all the differences between individuals ...

When it was time to elect unions representatives, and talk about union stuff in general, there was always that one guy who was going to speak to everybody like we were all thinking the same way. He was coming to explain to you how we were being screwed and how his communists ideas were a no brainer ... Oh god ... Every fucking time I hear about union accomplishments in the news I cringe ... In my opinion, the worst unions might be the police unions, because they have the power to kickstart changes in the law, changes that could affects their work conditions, but are too focused on their navel. I mean, if they got legalization of drugs and prostitution, and such things, how much more time would they have to actually help people ? I'm guessing in those conditions, they would no longer complain about not having the means to do their jobs ... As an aside, that's one thing that's really bothering me : How can police unions don't realize that arresting peaceful citizen should NOT be their job ? (Of course I realize that at least some of them would answer, "the law is the law. you're not peaceful if you break the law" bla bla bla )
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on May 29, 2015, 03:21:35 AM
While I am well aware this isn't the place for this: While SJW's are correct there is no "reverse" racism/sexism, it is not for the reasons they think true, either it's racism/sexism or the fuck it isn't. It does not MATTER who it's directed at
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 29, 2015, 07:34:52 AM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on May 28, 2015, 12:51:51 PM
How can police unions don't realize that arresting peaceful citizen should NOT be their job ?

Police would prefer to arrest people who are unlikely to try to injure or kill them as a result.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on May 29, 2015, 06:57:21 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on May 29, 2015, 07:34:52 AM
Police would prefer to arrest people who are unlikely to try to injure or kill them as a result.

But a great deal of violence is caused by drugs being outlawed for example, so drugs being legal would result in fewer dangerous situations for cops ...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 29, 2015, 09:03:55 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on May 29, 2015, 06:57:21 PM
But a great deal of violence is caused by drugs being outlawed for example, so drugs being legal would result in fewer dangerous situations for cops ...

It would also result in a massive decrease in excuses for them to have bigger budgets, deadlier weapons, and more powerful vehicles.

They can't have that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on May 29, 2015, 09:48:33 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on May 29, 2015, 09:03:55 PM
It would also result in a massive decrease in excuses for them to have bigger budgets, deadlier weapons, and more powerful vehicles.

They can't have that.

That raised an interesting question in my mind ... The spoke person for the main police union in France is well known. He appears regularly on TV and in other media ... I wonder what kind of cop he was before being a full time union representative ... I suppose it's plausible that cops with administrative jobs and cops in the field view things differently, but only the formers participate in the decisions ... Also, the cops that choose to work in drug law enforcement should be expected to view things differently than regular cops ... I never thought of it that way.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 30, 2015, 06:24:09 AM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on May 29, 2015, 09:48:33 PM
That raised an interesting question in my mind ... The spoke person for the main police union in France is well known. He appears regularly on TV and in other media ... I wonder what kind of cop he was before being a full time union representative ... I suppose it's plausible that cops with administrative jobs and cops in the field view things differently, but only the formers participate in the decisions ... Also, the cops that choose to work in drug law enforcement should be expected to view things differently than regular cops ... I never thought of it that way.

Yeah, the War on Drugs here and anywhere else is pretty much a big budget con job. The idea of actually caring about people who abused drugs is nothing but a farce.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 01, 2015, 12:24:14 AM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 01, 2015, 01:24:03 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 01, 2015, 12:24:14 AM
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I seriously don't get the logic behind this: if it's part of the budget, it's part of the problem--no matter how insignificant.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 02, 2015, 03:06:22 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 02, 2015, 09:30:21 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 02, 2015, 03:06:22 PM
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Government subsidies ain't the free market, ma'am.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 03, 2015, 10:12:25 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 02, 2015, 09:30:21 PM
Government subsidies ain't the free market, ma'am.
Seconded.  It's like bro/sis:  Do you even dictionary?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 03, 2015, 03:47:09 PM
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/02/scott-walker-alec-high-school-dropouts-teach-high-school.html
I'm sensing some misrepresentation here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 03, 2015, 05:56:39 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on June 03, 2015, 03:47:09 PM
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/02/scott-walker-alec-high-school-dropouts-teach-high-school.html
I'm sensing some misrepresentation here.

From PoliticusUSA? Say it ain't so!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on June 04, 2015, 05:42:33 AM
I'm so tired of SJW's I can't the fuck help it if I have balls and white skin. Also Shane should be able to help with this: How is the word "indentured servant" DIFFERENT from the word slave?

addendum to my last thought: The phrase "all white people" or "all males" or "all whateverthefuckelse" should be replaced with the "overwhelming majority of white people" etc, because even when slavery was a thing, the overwhelming majority of us were indentured servants U fucking cunt.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 04, 2015, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on June 04, 2015, 05:42:33 AM
I'm so tired of SJW's I can't the fuck help it if I have balls and white skin. Also Shane should be able to help with this: How is the word "indentured servant" DIFFERENT from the word slave?

Indentured servitude is for a fixed period of time, usually to pay off a debt.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 04, 2015, 11:44:52 AM
http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/3/8719389/colorblind-on-witcher-3-rust-and-gamings-race-problem
Sargon's law in full effect.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 04, 2015, 12:47:03 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 04, 2015, 09:33:01 AM
Indentured servitude is for a fixed period of time, usually to pay off a debt.

Not always for a fixed period, for those sentenced to penal servitude, which might be for life.  However, people under penal servitude, even for life, were still not held to be chattel property under the law, but the same as any other person serving a penal sentence.  At least one colony did develop chattel slavery from indenture, however.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 05, 2015, 07:00:50 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 05, 2015, 10:12:19 PM
some people live in a non-world  :shrug:

even if this is true, it doesn't actually mean America is any better in its means...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 06, 2015, 02:20:35 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 05, 2015, 10:12:19 PM
some people live in a non-world  :shrug:

even if this is true, it doesn't actually mean America is any better in its means...

Better information: http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/07/26/americas-international-image-slipping/

Quote[T]he "Obama bounce" in the global stature of the United States experienced in 2009 is clearly a thing of the past. And this gradual erosion of support is, in part, due to the diminishing popularity of U.S. President Barack Obama himself in some nations.

So once again, they don't understand statistics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 06, 2015, 08:12:14 PM
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 06, 2015, 08:20:28 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 06, 2015, 08:12:14 PM
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Yeah, not what their own source says: https://www.whitehouse.gov/2014-taxreceipt
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 06, 2015, 08:48:10 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 06, 2015, 08:12:14 PM
I know: that's why I qualified my statement with "even if..."

My point, though, was Obama didn't get this on his own merits. It jumped up immediately when he took office. Like his Nobel Peace Prize, all he had to do to get it was 1) get elected, and 2) not be George W. Bush.

It's done nothing but go down since then. By any objective measure, this is a testament to how BAD Barack Obama has been!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on June 08, 2015, 09:16:36 AM
Salon.com: It's time for Marvel to make Magneto black (http://www.salon.com/2015/06/06/its_time_for_marvel_to_make_magneto_black_use_the_coming_secret_wars_reboot_to_make_x_men_get_real_about_race/) by Eli Keel

Summary: Magneto can't be Jewish any more because the Holocaust was such a long time ago.

To paraphrase another commenter: Yeah, make the villain a black guy, that won't backfire at all. /sarcasm
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 10, 2015, 04:33:42 PM
I decided to share my recent Statist and Anarchist in r/politicalhumor. The following insipid conversation ensued:

http://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/39bctp/statist_and_anarchist_statism/

Apparently, my comic advocates for fascism, and also "no true communism." Sigh.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 11, 2015, 04:11:01 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on June 08, 2015, 09:16:36 AM
Salon.com: It's time for Marvel to make Magneto black (http://www.salon.com/2015/06/06/its_time_for_marvel_to_make_magneto_black_use_the_coming_secret_wars_reboot_to_make_x_men_get_real_about_race/) by Eli Keel

Summary: Magneto can't be Jewish any more because the Holocaust was such a long time ago.

To paraphrase another commenter: Yeah, make the villain a black guy, that won't backfire at all. /sarcasm

the Holocaust is a long time ago, but why would this matter? this is the comic universe: age doesn't enter into it.

Besides, it was a brilliant move making him Jewish. Think about it: this guy was a guinea pig spared only because of his mutant powers; he is determined never to see happen again to his own people. This attitude is reflected in his equating mutants with jews in terms of persecution, with him being the meeting of the two (since he's a jew and a mutant), and having actually survived the concentration camps.

put simply, it gives the character depth, motivation, a running theme. To change him now would be insane. you could have the original Magneto die and be replaced, but you need this new Magneto to ave an equally compelling backstory--and I'm sorry, but what they're proposing isn't the way to do it...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on June 11, 2015, 10:53:05 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 10, 2015, 04:33:42 PM
I decided to share my recent Statist and Anarchist in r/politicalhumor. The following insipid conversation ensued:

http://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/39bctp/statist_and_anarchist_statism/

Apparently, my comic advocates for fascism, and also "no true communism." Sigh.

This guy ... After two sentences I couldn't be bothered to read him any further.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on June 12, 2015, 05:12:55 AM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on June 11, 2015, 10:53:05 PM
This guy ... After two sentences I couldn't be bothered to read him any further.

Really? When I checked, everything was deleted. Also are talking about the person Bt1st was talking to or Bt1st himself?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on June 12, 2015, 11:29:14 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on June 12, 2015, 05:12:55 AM
Really? When I checked, everything was deleted. Also are talking about the person Bt1st was talking to or Bt1st himself?

I'm talking about the guys that was objecting to Blt1st. When I originally checked the linked, at the time Bt1st posted it, the conversation was still there.

Why has it been deleted ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 12, 2015, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on June 12, 2015, 11:29:14 AM
I'm talking about the guys that was objecting to Blt1st. When I originally checked the linked, at the time Bt1st posted it, the conversation was still there.

Why has it been deleted ?

Because the guy's a wimp who can't stand up for his own nonsense?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on June 12, 2015, 08:54:06 PM
So, if the first post is deleted, every response that came after is deleted with it automatically ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 12, 2015, 09:51:54 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on June 12, 2015, 08:54:06 PM
So, if the first post is deleted, every response that came after is deleted with it automatically ?

That's usually the way it works.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on June 12, 2015, 10:19:51 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 12, 2015, 09:51:54 PM
That's usually the way it works.

Talk about an easy way out ...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 12, 2015, 11:29:16 PM
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/dc79b3bd774db44a9f6b27f86ea6f6e7/tumblr_n5j7uyhnqP1trfdz1o1_500.jpg)

The only solace that I have concerning this are the epic win responses to this steaming piece of bogon on Tumblr (http://yowhosedogisthat.tumblr.com/post/85668337202/scottbaiowulf-danimalhecktor-dogmemes):

Quoteimpeccable logic

about 100% of the websites you visit didn't exist 100 years ago.

visit. real. webpages.

Pretty sure wheat, corn, salt, fat, and sugar all existed back then

fucking eat like a Russian peasant after the Bolshevik revolution, chow down like a Congolese family during the droughts of 1910 - 17, crunch your mandibles around pies filled with rat shit as the Pure Food and Drug Act starts to get enforced properly, suck down your gruel as a sod farmer at 5.30am, get beri-beri disease from eating polished white rice and let your brain rot out your thick unkempt hippie skull as you chew fucking curds and shit yourself to death
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 13, 2015, 08:59:49 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 12, 2015, 11:29:16 PM
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/dc79b3bd774db44a9f6b27f86ea6f6e7/tumblr_n5j7uyhnqP1trfdz1o1_500.jpg)

The only solace that I have concerning this are the epic win responses to this steaming piece of bogon on Tumblr (http://yowhosedogisthat.tumblr.com/post/85668337202/scottbaiowulf-danimalhecktor-dogmemes):


Funny how I was looking at the top part of the graphic and thinking how great that is!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 13, 2015, 02:08:26 PM
https://www.facebook.com/iseeitall/videos/10153052369309755/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: CarcharOdin on June 15, 2015, 08:37:19 PM
(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10413386_917529331647240_8607203420695901434_n.jpg?oh=b2aa9492836a3a2d75cad333cb954914&oe=55EA9793)

What makes this a fail for me is two things:

1) Her comment on violence in video games. To me, holding an opinion like that on violence in the media means that I'm just going think you are boring and not a fun person to hang out with. No way around it. You're free to not think highly of violence in media, just don't expect me to think too highly of you in exchange.

2) Medicine has a been a character skill since the first game and all the main games feature a quest (or several) that involve you making treatments and cures for others.In fact, helping others survive has been the primary quest and/or motivation for the first three games (paraphrased below):

- Fallout 1: find a water purification chip to help your Vault survive a water shortage

- Fallout 2: find a device that can restore the environment around your village and enable them to have viable irrigation and agriculture again.

- Fallout 3: finish your father's work on a massive water purifier to bring clean, non-irradiated water to the people of post-apoc' Washington D.C.

Wu's statement above just further puts a point in the favor of those who state that people like Wu and Sarkeesian don't actually play games, especially the ones they're criticizing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on June 16, 2015, 05:39:53 AM
Quote from: CarcharOdin on June 15, 2015, 08:37:19 PM
(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10413386_917529331647240_8607203420695901434_n.jpg?oh=b2aa9492836a3a2d75cad333cb954914&oe=55EA9793)

What makes this a fail for me is two things:

1) Her comment on violence in video games. To me, holding an opinion like that on violence in the media means that I'm just going think you are boring and not a fun person to hang out with. No way around it. You're free to not think highly of violence in media, just don't expect me to think too highly of you in exchange.

2) Medicine has a been a character skill since the first game and all the main games feature a quest (or several) that involve you making treatments and cures for others.In fact, helping others survive has been the primary quest and/or motivation for the first three games (paraphrased below):

- Fallout 1: find a water purification chip to help your Vault survive a water shortage

- Fallout 2: find a device that can restore the environment around your village and enable them to have viable irrigation and agriculture again.

- Fallout 3: finish your father's work on a massive water purifier to bring clean, non-irradiated water to the people of post-apoc' Washington D.C.

Wu's statement above just further puts a point in the favor of those who state that people like Wu and Sarkeesian don't actually play games, especially the ones they're criticizing.

And beyond that, what is she asking exactly ? Should the game allow the player to create vaccines or cure cancers ? Isn't that enough that we can repair broken limbs and take care of our general health in a world where drinkable water can be a luxury ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 16, 2015, 08:20:30 AM
Quote from: CarcharOdin on June 15, 2015, 08:37:19 PM
(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10413386_917529331647240_8607203420695901434_n.jpg?oh=b2aa9492836a3a2d75cad333cb954914&oe=55EA9793)

What makes this a fail for me is two things:

1) Her comment on violence in video games. To me, holding an opinion like that on violence in the media means that I'm just going think you are boring and not a fun person to hang out with. No way around it. You're free to not think highly of violence in media, just don't expect me to think too highly of you in exchange.

2) Medicine has a been a character skill since the first game and all the main games feature a quest (or several) that involve you making treatments and cures for others.In fact, helping others survive has been the primary quest and/or motivation for the first three games (paraphrased below):

- Fallout 1: find a water purification chip to help your Vault survive a water shortage

- Fallout 2: find a device that can restore the environment around your village and enable them to have viable irrigation and agriculture again.

- Fallout 3: finish your father's work on a massive water purifier to bring clean, non-irradiated water to the people of post-apoc' Washington D.C.

Wu's statement above just further puts a point in the favor of those who state that people like Wu and Sarkeesian don't actually play games, especially the ones they're criticizing.

Then there's the sort of things Sarkeesian complains about being in games EXCEPT for games like Wu's (with its cartoonishly hypersexualized female characters).  I'd like to see how Sarkeesian would react to a palette swapped and head resorted versian of Wu's character lineup.  Would she recognize it before spewing her usual idiocy?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 16, 2015, 06:42:07 PM
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11412282_865897053503350_897830088652331116_n.jpg?oh=91d8164acabc85a2aa99addbcdd55e24&oe=55E96461)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 16, 2015, 10:46:00 PM
That's misleading: I thought the argument was over minimum wage, not wages in general.

And is he seriously implying higher wages are the cause of employment? I thought that the stronger the economy, the more the employment, and only then do wages rise...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 17, 2015, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 16, 2015, 10:46:00 PM
That's misleading: I thought the argument was over minimum wage, not wages in general.

And is he seriously implying higher wages are the cause of employment? I thought that the stronger the economy, the more the employment, and only then do wages rise...

There's also the detail that people without jobs tend to not have very much money, while people with high-paying jobs have a lot more.  In places where there are shortages of key needs like housing (like, for instance, Silicon Valley, and also the San Francisco area, due to local governments not allowing housing to be built) and lots of people with high-paying jobs the price of the short resource naturally rises sharply, forcing unemployed people out of the area for the lack of the ability to buy the short resource.

Incidentally, the other day I decided to look at what you can buy in terms of yachts in that price range.  It turns out you can, for the price range of private homes in Silicon Valley (which is often $1 million or more these days) you can buy one hell of a nice luxury yacht, or buy and refit other sorts of ships into very nice, MOBILE homes you can just motor off in when you've had enough of Silicon Valley and want a vacation, or to go do something else entirely.  (Some of the vessels in this price range on www.yachtworld.co.uk include ferries, research vessels, cargo ships, barges, and even the odd small cruise ship.)  If you can get a pier space (which you probably can't, for the same reason you can't get a home built) it sounds like a good way to bypass the problems of buying a home in the area.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on June 21, 2015, 05:48:02 PM
ok, I don't have a link for that. I searched the page 1 of google and had no result unfortunately. I heard it on the radio yesterday and thought I'd share anyway because it's a fail quote, and it's damn funny.

So, there's this guy in China who is a famous author of treasure hunt adventure books. Someone decided to adapt his work as a ive action web mini series. When it launched, people were really surprised because there was a major change from the books, in the shape of an added line of dialogue that was repeated several times during the series. Each time the discussion was refering  to the moment when the characters would actually find the treasure, one of them had a line that reminded the main protagonist that he would have to surrender it to the government.

Apparently, people over there are still laughing about it and it became a trending meme on the chinese internet.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on June 23, 2015, 11:21:28 PM
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10410287_10152496158891738_7852403363833120704_n.jpg?oh=c8e0792e449d8879f09cb66f2d6ab3cc&oe=55E71635)
I hate projection.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on June 24, 2015, 05:35:31 AM

"I believe men are rational human beings, not mindless beasts enslaved by their own sex drives. I just act as if they were potentialy all rapists."

"I believe men are emotionally mature and compassionate enough to treat all people with respect. I just act as if they do not "

"I also know for a fact that men are intelligent, and can recognize the benefits of gender equality for society as a whole. I just act as if they cannot have a valid opinion on the subject."

"In short, I'm a feminist. I just act as if I was a stupid person."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 24, 2015, 02:23:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/RGeQ5z2.png)

So now North Korea is a "libertarian paradise." Okay. Not only do statists not know what "libertarianism" is, they also don't know what "government" is. What the heck are our public schools teaching our children that dimbulbs come up with these asinine conclusions?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 26, 2015, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 24, 2015, 02:23:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/RGeQ5z2.png)

So now North Korea is a "libertarian paradise." Okay. Not only do statists not know what "libertarianism" is, they also don't know what "government" is. What the heck are our public schools teaching our children that dimbulbs come up with these asinine conclusions?
The potato is strong with that OP!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on June 27, 2015, 05:17:06 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 26, 2015, 08:53:05 PM
The potato is strong with that OP!

Potato ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 27, 2015, 08:04:27 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 26, 2015, 08:53:05 PM
The potato is strong with that OP!

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/Sontaran_Stratagem.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 27, 2015, 07:43:55 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on June 27, 2015, 05:17:06 AM
Potato ?

clearly a new world thing :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 27, 2015, 09:38:42 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on June 27, 2015, 05:17:06 AM
Potato ?
A reference to a meme where a person says, "I can count to potato!" Basically, me saying that the OP extremely stupid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 28, 2015, 11:18:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1mip0DP.jpg)

So let me get this straight: legalizing gay marriage will lead to outlawing religion which will lead to implementing fundamentalist religious law? Makes sense?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 29, 2015, 07:13:40 AM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on June 27, 2015, 05:17:06 AM
Potato ?

(I've been looking for a clip of The Tick (animated) offering a potato from his armpit and can't find it...)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 29, 2015, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on June 28, 2015, 11:18:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1mip0DP.jpg)

So let me get this straight: legalizing gay marriage will lead to outlawing religion which will lead to implementing fundamentalist religious law? Makes sense?

It's like the idiots who compare gamergate people to ISIS...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 07, 2015, 07:51:27 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJTER4cWoAEQre-.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 07, 2015, 03:19:46 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on July 07, 2015, 07:51:27 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJTER4cWoAEQre-.png)
Agh! Its the asshole who thinks its racist for white Europeans to make stories about white Europeans.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 07, 2015, 03:49:38 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 07, 2015, 03:19:46 PM
Agh! Its the asshole who thinks its racist for white Europeans to make stories about white Europeans.

Combine him with the more common strain of SJW who think it's racist for white Europeans to make stories about ANYONE ELSE...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on July 07, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 07, 2015, 03:19:46 PM
Agh! Its the asshole who thinks its racist for white Europeans to make stories about white Europeans.

Do you have a link ? What is his reasoning ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 08, 2015, 12:54:38 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 07, 2015, 03:49:38 PM
Combine him with the more common strain of SJW who think it's racist for white Europeans to make stories about ANYONE ELSE...
No, he wants them to make stories about other people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 08, 2015, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on July 07, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
Do you have a link ? What is his reasoning ?
http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/3/8719389/colorblind-on-witcher-3-rust-and-gamings-race-problem
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on July 08, 2015, 07:49:31 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 08, 2015, 12:56:08 PM
http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/3/8719389/colorblind-on-witcher-3-rust-and-gamings-race-problem

I found this on the new \r\polygon
http://i.imgur.com/9PWzBhZ.png
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 10, 2015, 08:51:51 AM
[yt]_r7ax1FoR80[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 10, 2015, 10:59:52 AM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 10, 2015, 08:51:51 AM
[yt]_r7ax1FoR80[/yt]

Wow--he's directly passing on Food Babe bullshit! Propylene glycol, ZOMG! Do they have dihydrogen monoxide, too?

Also, the formaldehyde BS directly from anti-vaccers. We've debunked this before: not only is formaldehyde in small doses NOT dangerous (your body makes it, after all), but in order for e-cigs to produce it you have to get them so hot the vapor has a foul taste--and NO vaper is going to turn theirs up that high!

And again, we're also ignoring the success stories of people using e-cigs to quit the nicotine habit altogether! Also, without e-cigs, what does this moron think people are going to do, other than go back to cigarettes? So the fact that they're  much safer than cigarettes is ABSOLUTELY relevant!

Of course he has to round it off with a rousing chorus of "CORPORATIONS ARE TEH EBIL!!!"

Remember when Cracked did actual research and found the data that went AGAINST the zeitgeist?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 10, 2015, 01:33:33 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 10, 2015, 10:59:52 AM
Wow--he's directly passing on Food Babe bullshit! Propylene glycol, ZOMG! Do they have dihydrogen monoxide, too?

Also, the formaldehyde BS directly from anti-vaccers. We've debunked this before: not only is formaldehyde in small doses NOT dangerous (your body makes it, after all), but in order for e-cigs to produce it you have to get them so hot the vapor has a foul taste--and NO vaper is going to turn theirs up that high!

And again, we're also ignoring the success stories of people using e-cigs to quit the nicotine habit altogether! Also, without e-cigs, what does this moron think people are going to do, other than go back to cigarettes? So the fact that they're  much safer than cigarettes is ABSOLUTELY relevant!

Of course he has to round it off with a rousing chorus of "CORPORATIONS ARE TEH EBIL!!!"

Remember when Cracked did actual research and found the data that went AGAINST the zeitgeist?
Indeed.  Then they went with the SJW & busybody bullshit.  Hell, to be sure, cigarettes, suck.  Including the vaping ones.  I don't deny that.  But the latter is still better than the former.
Also, why do they mention corporations?  Most of the folks I know get them from the small time dealers (within the furry fandom, natch) who run their own business, so I really don't know what he means by that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 10, 2015, 07:12:57 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 10, 2015, 08:51:51 AM
[yt]_r7ax1FoR80[/yt]

Let me translate this more directly:

"hi, we want your baby brother to die of cigarette-smoking related illnesses, instead of using the much safer vaping".

THAT is what these cunts are tell me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 10, 2015, 07:20:56 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 10, 2015, 01:33:33 PM
Indeed.  Then they went with the SJW & busybody bullshit.  Hell, to be sure, cigarettes, suck.  Including the vaping ones.  I don't deny that.  But the latter is still better than the former.
Also, why do they mention corporations?  Most of the folks I know get them from the small time dealers (within the furry fandom, natch) who run their own business, so I really don't know what he means by that.
Ya, like what does Cracked have against MRAs?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on July 14, 2015, 11:17:50 AM
Nobody cares about astrology, John.

(http://i.imgur.com/fifwKqL.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on July 14, 2015, 11:46:37 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on July 14, 2015, 11:17:50 AM
Nobody cares about astrology, John.


Lol. I entered the adress in my browser, convinced that the guy had made a mistake when he actually meant "astronomers". God what a disappointment.
Well, at least he tried.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 14, 2015, 12:52:08 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 07, 2015, 03:19:46 PM
Agh! Its the asshole who thinks its racist for white Europeans to make stories about white Europeans.
It's always fun watching these people bitch about privilege...when they are typically the most privileged of all people.  Seriously, find me an SJW who DIDN'T come from a rich gated background--a demographic that votes OVERWHELMINGLY Democrat--and I'll eat my damn hat.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 15, 2015, 12:40:32 PM
Well, Shives is being an idiot again:

[yt]WkUzyd5TYZQ[/yt]

And it didn't take long for the dumbfucks to start blasting my refutation: https://plus.google.com/+shanedk/posts/3WuCWuDcb7w
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 15, 2015, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 15, 2015, 12:40:32 PM
Well, Shives is being an idiot again:

[yt]WkUzyd5TYZQ[/yt]

And it didn't take long for the dumbfucks to start blasting my refutation: https://plus.google.com/+shanedk/posts/3WuCWuDcb7w
I stopped listening to this guy after his rape culture video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2015, 07:30:17 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 15, 2015, 12:40:32 PM
Well, Shives is being an idiot again:

[yt]WkUzyd5TYZQ[/yt]

And it didn't take long for the dumbfucks to start blasting my refutation: https://plus.google.com/+shanedk/posts/3WuCWuDcb7w
Because censorship is totally okay when liberals want it...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 15, 2015, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2015, 07:30:17 PM
Because censorship is totally okay when liberals want it...

Special pleading FTW!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 18, 2015, 07:20:27 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2015, 07:30:17 PM
Because censorship is totally okay when liberals want it...

At this point it should be a given. The time of high expectations when it comes to these people has long since come and gone if it was ever there to begin with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 18, 2015, 08:12:55 AM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on July 18, 2015, 07:20:27 AM
At this point it should be a given. The time of high expectations when it comes to these people has long since come and gone if it was ever there to begin with.

By well over 30 years, since Dworkin and MacKinnon's censorious antics, and more likely by at least 50 years, going back to then censorious antics in the 60's.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2015, 11:05:52 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 18, 2015, 08:12:55 AM
By well over 30 years, since Dworkin and MacKinnon's censorious antics, and more likely by at least 50 years, going back to then censorious antics in the 60's.
I'm not familiar with those people and their antics.  If I Google those terms am I going to became stupid or just angry?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 18, 2015, 07:13:10 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2015, 11:05:52 AM
I'm not familiar with those people and their antics.  If I Google those terms am I going to became stupid or just angry?

That's a good question.  How do you react to people abusing rights law to violate other people's rights?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2015, 11:06:14 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on July 18, 2015, 07:13:10 PM
That's a good question.  How do you react to people abusing rights law to violate other people's rights?
I get pissed off. :3

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2015, 11:08:33 PM
http://shop.honeyville.com/dextrose-50lb.html

"Fat-Free" Yes, because it's just a bag of glucose/sugar.
"Gluten-Free"  See above.
"Kosher" ...""
"Low-Carb"...it's pure sugar! It's about as far from "low carb" as it gets...
"Non-GMO" So is NaCl, what's your point...
"Sugar-Free"...*headdesk* it's...pure...sugar.  Talk about false advertising.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on July 19, 2015, 07:34:55 PM
(https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11406951_10153850978752908_4974236917280453401_n.png?oh=4182eb368c10cd729498928be5465de4&oe=565BC2A9)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on July 20, 2015, 02:49:46 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2015, 11:08:33 PM
http://shop.honeyville.com/dextrose-50lb.html

"Fat-Free" Yes, because it's just a bag of glucose/sugar.
"Gluten-Free"  See above.
"Kosher" ...""
"Low-Carb"...it's pure sugar! It's about as far from "low carb" as it gets...
"Non-GMO" So is NaCl, what's your point...
"Sugar-Free"...*headdesk* it's...pure...sugar.  Talk about false advertising.

Not only is it pure sugar, it is by definition sugar. Even in their own product description, they say it's sugar! So, there's no sugar in the sugar?

Also, why are we trying to by 50lbs of not-table-sugar?

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 20, 2015, 09:07:06 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on July 20, 2015, 02:49:46 AM
Not only is it pure sugar, it is by definition sugar. Even in their own product description, they say it's sugar! So, there's no sugar in the sugar?

Also, why are we trying to by 50lbs of not-table-sugar?

Brewing beer, perhaps?  (That's the first reviewer's use for it, and what I'd likely be buying bulk sugar for if I were buying it.)

But, given that this is TRAVIS you're asking, I'd guess he's going to use it for carb loading in his bodybuilding regimen.  (The use the second reviewer is putting it to.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 20, 2015, 06:33:52 PM
@Dallen68 & Evensgrey:  Oh, I never said I was buying it.  I just found it online and facepalmed at the blatant bs descriptions.  Hence why I posted it in the thread.
And I do carbo load occasionally, just because I can, but I tend to favor the use of high carb foods like instant oatmeal, potatoes, fruit, milk & honey instead. ;3
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on July 20, 2015, 11:59:43 PM
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Feminism rots the brain now.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 21, 2015, 01:00:18 AM
Quote from: tnu on July 19, 2015, 07:34:55 PM
(https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11406951_10153850978752908_4974236917280453401_n.png?oh=4182eb368c10cd729498928be5465de4&oe=565BC2A9)

I have to ask what Mr. Sanders defines as record breaking....does he mean absolute levels, or relative? does he take inflation into account or not?

also, due to the nature of taxation, taxing too high might well cause only a short-term increase in revenue: eventually the revenues will essentially return to pre-tax raise levels, as the full economic impact settles in (that's why Sweden runs a budget deficit, though its tax rate is FAR FAR higher).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 21, 2015, 11:15:33 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 21, 2015, 01:00:18 AM
I have to ask what Mr. Sanders defines as record breaking....does he mean absolute levels, or relative? does he take inflation into account or not?

also, due to the nature of taxation, taxing too high might well cause only a short-term increase in revenue: eventually the revenues will essentially return to pre-tax raise levels, as the full economic impact settles in (that's why Sweden runs a budget deficit, though its tax rate is FAR FAR higher).

If they jack up the corporate tax rate in the US too much (already one of the highest in the world, as I understand it) then more companies will follow suit with Burger King and switch themselves to Canada.

As for the actual effect of the rate, IIRC, the highest proportion of GDP taken as personal income tax in the US was 19.6%, which occurred during the "Bush Tax 'Cut'".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 21, 2015, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on July 20, 2015, 11:59:43 PM
[yt]3LLe0JHZmkg[/yt]
Feminism rots the brain now.
He just went full potato...again!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 21, 2015, 01:44:01 PM
https://reason.com/archives/2015/07/21/privatizing-marriage-is-a-terrible-idea
If the title is any indicator...

Any chance of these guys being this week's IE/BBE?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 21, 2015, 08:20:37 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 10, 2015, 10:59:52 AM
And again, we're also ignoring the success stories of people using e-cigs to quit the nicotine habit altogether! Also, without e-cigs, what does this moron think people are going to do, other than go back to cigarettes? So the fact that they're much safer than cigarettes is ABSOLUTELY relevant!
(emphasis added by me)
Actually, it seems they want that, given this bit in the description: "It makes us wish hipsters would go back to rolling their cigarettes."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 25, 2015, 12:17:36 PM
(https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1381631_610731512320315_1430083370_n.jpg?oh=8f19ae3e48a1a4afaabe1cdb19cf72c2&oe=564B6324)
Where upwards of 10% of them will be raped. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on July 26, 2015, 02:09:02 AM
Quote from: tnu on July 19, 2015, 07:34:55 PM
(https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11406951_10153850978752908_4974236917280453401_n.png?oh=4182eb368c10cd729498928be5465de4&oe=565BC2A9)

According to Politifact: yes BUT.....
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/aug/28/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-tax-share-paid-corporations-ha/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on July 26, 2015, 02:17:15 AM
Uh..huh. I don't see anything, anywhere that makes a God damn fucking bit of difference. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/aug/28/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-tax-share-paid-corporations-ha/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on July 26, 2015, 11:21:21 AM
Quote from: dallen68 on July 26, 2015, 02:17:15 AM
Uh..huh. I don't see anything, anywhere that makes a God damn fucking bit of difference. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/aug/28/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-tax-share-paid-corporations-ha/

Bernie Sanders is complaining that the share of taxes from corporate income is too low.  The reality is that corporations' share of income has declined with personal income taking it's place.  In other words while true, it's really a stupid complaint in context.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 26, 2015, 03:26:48 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on July 26, 2015, 11:21:21 AM
Bernie Sanders is complaining that the share of taxes from corporate income is too low.  The reality is that corporations' share of income has declined with personal income taking it's place.  In other words while true, it's really a stupid complaint in context.

And the main reason income has shifted that way is that the personal income tax rates for the highest incomes are lower now.  In the 1950's, the most efficient way to richly reward your senior executives was with company perks, like cars with drivers (but basically never quite what the executive would have chosen).  Once the top tax rates went down, it became preferable to stop giving a lot of those perks and just give them the money instead (so they could buy the luxury car they actually wanted, for example).

(Incidentally, this also connects to why claims that Japanese firms don't have such wildly different compensation for the highest and lowest paid people are bunk.  They just don't COUNT the perks Japanese executives get that American ones don't, like golf club memberships, which can run into millions of dollars a year in Japan.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on July 27, 2015, 08:32:41 AM
(https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11659425_10154029272908327_781233498773419747_n.jpg?oh=6a7626625aa15157bede3d938543c6ad&oe=565463D2)

(https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11707471_10154093944687908_1781421520610940676_n.png?oh=ad56cd8bda6914f836358697fd12872d&oe=56160000)

Quotethe real problem is that we are not drawing in the amounts of tax money as before. why? because corporations rule this country. they have their politician whores that will do their bidding. programs that are funded by public tax dollars that are suppose to benefit that same public are instead going to corporations. our tax money is going into corporate pockets in the form of bailouts and subsidies. then, on top of that, they get a bunch of tax breaks. some companies have a negative tax rate, where they are getting more tax money back in subsides (corporate welfare) than they are putting into the system. couple all this with the billions we piss away to Israel alone in foreign aid (not to mention other nations we just hand money to) and you can see how our money is going to those who do not need it. we warmonger our money away. we spend over $700 billion a year on the military so the military industrial complex can warmonger us into oblivion. we can easily cut that in half and still be spending more than the closest rival in military spending. drop the money we cut into the pockets of the vets and the VA to get the vets the treatment and support they deserve and once that is all taken care of, apply it to other parts of our country...you know, like infrastructure.

When responding to someone's idiocy about the Koch brothers by telling them unions donate more money to plliticians thay say this.

QuoteLol ok. You do realize that the labor unions represent workers. They push for people to be able to collectively voice their concerns. It was labor unions that helped pave the way for workers' rights and representation. The Koch brothers are trying to screw over everyone but themselves and their rich buddies. They push for fracking despite its negative affects on the environment, paying people to lie about its affects through a variety of acenues. Same goes for climate change/global warming. They purposefully mislead others by throwing money at various sources so they can continue to make more money at the expense of the American people. They are part of the Establishment and the corporate oligarchy set up in power.

(https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1911667_10152442998762687_1798428407351501775_n.jpg?oh=c15980febe42c09e063016428305b1f1&oe=563EBE60)

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on July 28, 2015, 01:03:16 PM
Bernie Sanders: The Vox conversation (http://www.vox.com/2015/7/28/9014491/bernie-sanders-vox-conversation)

QuoteBernie: Open borders? No, that's a Koch brothers proposal...What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy.

Eh, what right-wing people has Bernie been listening to? Because it's not Rush Limbaugh. It's not Fox News. It's not every Republican candidate who's been pandering to their base by promising them a barb-wire electric fence along the border with gun turrets every 100 feet. Open borders has been a left-wing proposal, or at best, a libertarian one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on July 28, 2015, 03:16:09 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 28, 2015, 01:03:16 PM
Bernie Sanders: The Vox conversation (http://www.vox.com/2015/7/28/9014491/bernie-sanders-vox-conversation)

Eh, what right-wing people has Bernie been listening to? Because it's not Rush Limbaugh. It's not Fox News. It's not every Republican candidate who's been pandering to their base by promising them a barb-wire electric fence along the border with gun turrets every 100 feet. Open borders has been a left-wing proposal, or at best, a libertarian one.

Mainstream politicians consider the Koch brothers to be libertarians. Also, from their point of view, you look at Rush Limbaugh, and then you look to spaces to the right and you find Shane Killian. That being said, every conservative I've ever heard of is for a closed border. You should see my Facebook with all the "If you crossed the border illegally...(blah blah) posts."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 28, 2015, 03:17:30 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on July 28, 2015, 01:03:16 PM
Bernie Sanders: The Vox conversation (http://www.vox.com/2015/7/28/9014491/bernie-sanders-vox-conversation)

Eh, what right-wing people has Bernie been listening to? Because it's not Rush Limbaugh. It's not Fox News. It's not every Republican candidate who's been pandering to their base by promising them a barb-wire electric fence along the border with gun turrets every 100 feet. Open borders has been a left-wing proposal, or at best, a libertarian one.

It's not even Rand Fucking Paul!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on July 29, 2015, 08:12:16 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/03/30/was-the-new-deal-a-bust.html

Oh dear god


I
Quote'm aware of the many social democracies in Europe. I am hoping to move to one eventually. But that whole unbridled capitalism thing has a way of enslaving us, you know. These countries that have this kind of government are doing better than the US. Denmark, Sweden, Australia, Canada, Iceland, Germany, hell I'll even throw in Great Britain, are all doing better than we are at the moment.

Yeah, you are right, places like Australia don't have an armed citizenry. And how many gun deaths have they had since Sandy Hook? The US has topped beyond 85,000 since Sandy Hook. We as a nation have a problem and we are too stupid to do anything about it. Instead, most are too uptight about the government being the boogy man, which means we as the people are failing because we are the ones who vote them in. The system, overall, works minus some bad quirks but the vast majority of the problem is who we vote in. But hey, I'm growing very apathetic towards Americans because they keep voting these idiots in and demonstrate they are just as idiotic. They are handing themselves to hell in a hand basket.


I'm dealing wiht another FDR worshipper. so tedius.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 12, 2015, 04:40:32 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/06/02/war-on-men-first-arrests-for-manspreading-on-new-york-subway/
Anyone defending these arrests...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 12, 2015, 04:59:13 PM
So how many women have they arrested for putting their purses on the seats next to them?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 12, 2015, 05:44:14 PM
Or spreading out, as one was in BOTH articles I've seen on this fucking idiotic 1st world problem?

Just more proof that feminism/Social Justice is the ideological embodiment of 1st world problems.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on August 13, 2015, 03:04:44 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on August 12, 2015, 04:59:13 PM
So how many women have they arrested for putting their purses on the seats next to them?

The good tastes and manners police have arrived!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 13, 2015, 12:24:53 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on August 12, 2015, 05:44:14 PM
Or spreading out, as one was in BOTH articles I've seen on this fucking idiotic 1st world problem?

Just more proof that feminism/Social Justice is the ideological embodiment of 1st world problems.

[yt]bwvlbJ0h35A[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: tnu on August 13, 2015, 10:40:40 PM
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/awesome_screenshot/8652808?AWSAccessKeyId=0R7FMW7AXRVCYMAPTPR2&Expires=1439520407&Signature=aM8Uiw6hwfsUVzvAy6BpZQ3oQY8%3D)

Not hiding names of the stupid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 14, 2015, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: tnu on August 13, 2015, 10:40:40 PM
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/awesome_screenshot/8652808?AWSAccessKeyId=0R7FMW7AXRVCYMAPTPR2&Expires=1439520407&Signature=aM8Uiw6hwfsUVzvAy6BpZQ3oQY8%3D)

Not hiding names of the stupid.
Image isn't showing up for me. :(
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 15, 2015, 11:17:59 PM
[yt]6S1-LgYyjQg[/yt]

Videos claims "dozens of research papers" link autism to vaccines. Fails to name even one. Gee, I wonder why?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on August 18, 2015, 05:44:25 PM
What I love about RT is how they cover news that no one else will. What I hate is how this means that they also permit conspiracy theory nonsense!

[yt]m9qv-2zabF4[/yt]

Sweet Celestia! What is with the influx of anti-vaxxer nonsense this week?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on August 19, 2015, 09:27:56 AM
"the anti-vaxxers on one side and big pharma and bill gates on the other"
lol If only we had some method to build knowledge that could apply to human health. If only ...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 30, 2015, 01:01:38 PM
I find it hard to believe that whoever made this graphic did so with a straight face.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNaV-LpVAAAF5B4.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 30, 2015, 03:29:43 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on August 30, 2015, 01:01:38 PM
I find it hard to believe that whoever made this graphic did so with a straight face.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNaV-LpVAAAF5B4.jpg)
sarcasitron +cluon points though if they were being satirical!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 30, 2015, 06:27:23 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on August 30, 2015, 03:29:43 PM
sarcasitron +cluon points though if they were being satirical!

It wasn't at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 06, 2015, 03:25:19 AM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on August 30, 2015, 06:27:23 PM
It wasn't at all.

In fairness though, most of them think they stand for those things. Except when:

1. Someone does something that they think is wrong.
2. Except when it comes to paying for military/law enforcement/gestapo...oops I mean "Homeland Security".
3. Same as 2, except now we're actually doing it, not paying for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on September 06, 2015, 11:40:10 PM
[yt]BoWVV_5WrDQ[/yt]
*sigh*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 07, 2015, 02:01:51 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 06, 2015, 11:40:10 PM
[yt]BoWVV_5WrDQ[/yt]
*sigh*
Shane really needs to do a "How To Argue for Gun Control" video/DA Journal.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on September 07, 2015, 06:42:39 PM
But why do you still pay attention to this guy ? With the amount of bullshit found in his videos, don't you feel that he's a waste of time ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 08, 2015, 03:26:08 PM
Saw this in my Facebook feed. On the one hand, it's a relief to see less lefty bullshit, but on the other hand this righty bullshit is equally nauseating.
(https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/11951751_871238062983055_6537235836170101195_n.jpg?oh=2a34db9fa28c698334893026f2b2818b&oe=566F37ED)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2015, 08:20:49 PM
Quote from: AnCap Dave on September 08, 2015, 03:26:08 PM
Saw this in my Facebook feed. On the one hand, it's a relief to see less lefty bullshit, but on the other hand this righty bullshit is equally nauseating.
(https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/11951751_871238062983055_6537235836170101195_n.jpg?oh=2a34db9fa28c698334893026f2b2818b&oe=566F37ED)
I guess they forgot the two aren't mutually exclusive.  Hint:  what does NAZI stand for?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 16, 2015, 02:46:21 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1602940739966870

https://www.facebook.com/TravisRetriever/posts/1612346009026343

Every single comment left by Barry Torch.  Good riddance.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on September 20, 2015, 09:27:23 PM
Some of the comments to my latest Statist and Anarchist comic on DA: http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/art/Statist-And-Anarchist-Auditions-561457893#comments

Yeesh! I decide to start making fun of Republicans (after a year of making fun of Dems) and some of my followers are flipping their lids. Guys, they're both statists parties. My comic makes fun of statists. Republicans are statists, and I don't care how much they boast of being for "limited government, fiscal responsibility, and individual liberty." They need their fair share of ridicule, especially now that Trump is leading the polls. That guy is as "libertarian" as Obama. He pretty much makes Obama look like a libertarian in comparison. :/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on September 21, 2015, 03:46:21 AM
Hell yeah W. ! Snatch that sweet martyr ass !
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 21, 2015, 11:28:52 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 20, 2015, 09:27:23 PM
Some of the comments to my latest Statist and Anarchist comic on DA: http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/art/Statist-And-Anarchist-Auditions-561457893#comments

Yeesh! I decide to start making fun of Republicans (after a year of making fun of Dems) and some of my followers are flipping their lids. Guys, they're both statists parties. My comic makes fun of statists. Republicans are statists, and I don't care how much they boast of being for "limited government, fiscal responsibility, and individual liberty." They need their fair share of ridicule, especially now that Trump is leading the polls. That guy is as "libertarian" as Obama. He pretty much makes Obama look like a libertarian in comparison. :/
Zucca really needs to learn that "strawman" isn't a magic iWin button.  Explain how/why it's a strawman, bro, otherwise, it's just excuse making.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on September 22, 2015, 04:14:09 AM
That's it Richard Dawkins has lost his fucking mind (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ahmed-mohamed-richard-dawkins-criticises-14-year-old-for-pretending-to-invent-clock-10509841.html)!

Richard Dawkins trades in his intellect for a tin-foil hat!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 22, 2015, 06:38:19 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 20, 2015, 09:27:23 PM
Some of the comments to my latest Statist and Anarchist comic on DA: http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/art/Statist-And-Anarchist-Auditions-561457893#comments

Yeesh! I decide to start making fun of Republicans (after a year of making fun of Dems) and some of my followers are flipping their lids. Guys, they're both statists parties. My comic makes fun of statists. Republicans are statists, and I don't care how much they boast of being for "limited government, fiscal responsibility, and individual liberty." They need their fair share of ridicule, especially now that Trump is leading the polls. That guy is as "libertarian" as Obama. He pretty much makes Obama look like a libertarian in comparison. :/

That was how it was for me, only in reverse: whenever I was going after people that leftists hated, like creationists or George W. Bush, I was great. Then Obama got elected, of course I went after him just as much, and they all griped about how I'd lost my mind.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 22, 2015, 06:40:29 AM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on September 22, 2015, 04:14:09 AM
That's it Richard Dawkins has lost his fucking mind (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ahmed-mohamed-richard-dawkins-criticises-14-year-old-for-pretending-to-invent-clock-10509841.html)!

Richard Dawkins trades in his intellect for a tin-foil hat!

He just doesn't get how young engineers get their start. Taking apart/putting back together (and having it still work) is just the first step. Does he expect him to be able to solder a PC board his first time out?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on September 22, 2015, 08:37:28 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 22, 2015, 06:40:29 AM
He just doesn't get how young engineers get their start. Taking apart/putting back together (and having it still work) is just the first step. Does he expect him to be able to solder a PC board his first time out?

That is completely true and this is a very important point to keep in mind. But at the same time I don't see him as unreasonable to consider the opinion of people who can make the difference between something put together or just reassembled because as the author of the article Dawkins provides says, at the very least it gives perspective on the media treatment of the case, Obama's reactions and the social media trend. Obviously they loose me when they begin to assume intent, but it was interesting nonetheless.

That doesn't change a thing about the rest and I still think the school and the police we wrong though. Unless they have Ahmed on record saying to his friends that this is a mock up bomb, this was a non event and he got cuffed over it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 22, 2015, 01:11:54 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on September 22, 2015, 04:14:09 AM
That's it Richard Dawkins has lost his fucking mind (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ahmed-mohamed-richard-dawkins-criticises-14-year-old-for-pretending-to-invent-clock-10509841.html)!

Richard Dawkins trades in his intellect for a tin-foil hat!

dude, the guy lost his mind ages ago. What took you so long?  :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on September 22, 2015, 01:59:42 PM
To be fair, Dawkins himself never said whether the boy made or did not make a clock. What he said was (essentially), even if he didn't build a clock, from scratch, police involvement was unnecessary.

Also, some of the blame for us "being fooled", if such is the case, is the media's usage of the word "invent" here. The boy didn't "invent" anything. Clocks have existed for hundreds of years now. At best, he crafted a hobby clock, at worst he put an existing clock in a new container. Neither thing is a crime. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 23, 2015, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 22, 2015, 06:40:29 AM
He just doesn't get how young engineers get their start. Taking apart/putting back together (and having it still work) is just the first step. Does he expect him to be able to solder a PC board his first time out?

To be honest, if he's really been an electronics hobbyist for any length of time, by 14 he should be beyond just reformatting an existing device like that.  When I was 14, I started an electronics course and within a few weeks I had built a power supply, on it's own PCB, which I designed and etched.  (Back in 1985, it was a linear one.  Switching supplies were considered well beyond what highschool students were up to in those days.  Now, switching supplies are relatively easy to build and so much more efficient that linear supplies are almost never built outside of specialized applications that can make use of specific features of linear supplies.)  I built a device that was functionally equivalent to a bullhorn in the same course, again designing and etching the board myself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on October 02, 2015, 12:59:22 PM
LOL! Looks like someone made a response (http://mylittletripod.deviantart.com/art/Statist-and-RWLPTBA-Anarcho-Peoplewhoopposeus-562437098) to one of my SAA comics (http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/art/Statist-And-Anarchist-Anarcho-Syndicalism-560066529):

(http://img15.deviantart.net/018b/i/2015/268/9/0/statist_and_rwlptba___anarcho_peoplewhoopposeus_by_mylittletripod-d9auz8q.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on October 02, 2015, 01:25:54 PM
Next !
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 03, 2015, 01:21:58 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on October 02, 2015, 12:59:22 PM
LOL! Looks like someone made a response (http://mylittletripod.deviantart.com/art/Statist-and-RWLPTBA-Anarcho-Peoplewhoopposeus-562437098) to one of my SAA comics (http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/art/Statist-And-Anarchist-Anarcho-Syndicalism-560066529):

(http://img15.deviantart.net/018b/i/2015/268/9/0/statist_and_rwlptba___anarcho_peoplewhoopposeus_by_mylittletripod-d9auz8q.png)
Stopped reading past the "viable voluntary alternatives" part.  I'm sorry, but I've yet to see that being anything but an excuse.  Get rid of the state, and those voluntary alternatives emerge, as they always do.  Mutual Aid societies anyone?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 03, 2015, 08:09:05 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on October 03, 2015, 01:21:58 AM
Stopped reading past the "viable voluntary alternatives" part.  I'm sorry, but I've yet to see that being anything but an excuse.  Get rid of the state, and those voluntary alternatives emerge, as they always do.  Mutual Aid societies anyone?

Moreover, how CAN they emerge when you have government programs crowding them out?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on October 03, 2015, 12:10:31 PM
There's a related questions that I often ask myself : If a governement in a country with welfare programs decides to go full free market, how much inertia can we expect from the system ? So let's say, I want a free market because it tends towards full employment, but at the moment I change the rules, people are still affected by the effects of the old system. How much time before unemployment benefits become useless ?
Is there any way to answer that question or is it the better option to just smooth it out by making requirement stricter gradually until benefits become useless (obviously affecting to some extent the free market system I'm trying to push while doing so, because the money have to come from somewhere) ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 06, 2015, 08:25:37 AM
Looks like this entire website is fail:

http://www.fitman-fi.eu/ (http://www.fitman-fi.eu/)

It seems to be mostly written in buzzwords, and has no locatable description of what it's actually FOR.

Searching for likely buzz words (FI-PPP) turns up some sort of government-driven R&D project to develop new internet technologies, which doesn't look all that likely to pan out.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on October 07, 2015, 03:54:59 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on October 06, 2015, 08:25:37 AM
Looks like this entire website is fail:

http://www.fitman-fi.eu/ (http://www.fitman-fi.eu/)

It seems to be mostly written in buzzwords, and has no locatable description of what it's actually FOR.

Searching for likely buzz words (FI-PPP) turns up some sort of government-driven R&D project to develop new internet technologies, which doesn't look all that likely to pan out.

"MANufacturing"?  Are they TRYING to be sexist?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on October 07, 2015, 01:59:31 PM
You know how you all have been talking about starting a separate category from BBE and IE that highlights the most evil asshole? Can we start that this week and make the first nominee the Nobel Peace Prize winning president who greenlit this: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/07/asia/doctors-without-borders-afghanistan-airstrike/

If that doesn't make him an irredeemable a-hole, I don't know what else will!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on October 07, 2015, 05:36:32 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on October 07, 2015, 01:59:31 PM
You know how you all have been talking about starting a separate category from BBE and IE that highlights the most evil asshole? Can we start that this week and make the first nominee the Nobel Peace Prize winning president who greenlit this: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/07/asia/doctors-without-borders-afghanistan-airstrike/

If that doesn't make him an irredeemable a-hole, I don't know what else will!

I'm really REALLY curious to see what comes out of this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 07, 2015, 07:06:20 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on October 07, 2015, 05:36:32 PM
I'm really REALLY curious to see what comes out of this.

The Obamatons have their apologetics all ready. Look at the YouTube discussions I've been having about it.

Example: https://plus.google.com/+shanedk/posts/SpPYKoEVuXF
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on October 07, 2015, 09:49:59 PM
if he were really sorry, he would have put a bullet in his mouth.

after-all, it's kind of hard mistaking a hospital for a terrorist centery--unless he thinks all Afghanis are terrorists by default. Either he's a cunt, or criminally incompetent.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on October 08, 2015, 08:02:40 AM
The collateral damages argument really bothers me because of the nature of the method of choice, which are drones. If we follow the same logic to it's very end, there is no unacceptable deaths in a war. So what happens if we double the charge of the drone missiles ? And if we triple it ? And if we multiply it by 10 ? How far from the actual target is collateral damage ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 15, 2015, 01:36:05 AM
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So I watched this...wow.  Good lords, so many claims so fast.  Did this guy go to auctioneer school or something?

Jesus, at first I took offense to the "well he plays video games" comment Tristan from Primal Edge Health made about him...now I kinda agree with it.  Jesus.

So too many points to go through individually, but here are the main ones I stuck around long enough to see and find problems with:

1) Blasting Layne Norton for having a PhD and how it's used as an appeal to authority...while making nonstop appeals to authority to people who agree with him throughout the video.

2a) Ignoring that blood lipids on a ketogenic diet tend to improve even more for most people compared to a low fat diet (he does know the body can bio-synthesize those SFA from carbs, and can make its own cholesterol in the liver, yes?).

2b) Bitching about saturated fats being bad for you; despite the fact that  coconut oil--a vegan fat source--has more saturated fat than any animal source, if not of all fat sources, period.  yet is actually very good for you.  Meanwhile, palm oil, another vegan SFA source and the kind in most commercially available food products, tends to be somewhat bad for people (young, lean, and physically active vegetarians at least) compared to PUFAs:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24550191
So it's not a matter of it being a SFA, OR it being from an animal or vegetarian or vegan source.  It doesn't work that way.

3) Going on nonstop about corporate/mainstream validation...while supporting the folks in government who agree with him--thus making his position the more mainstream one as it's the one with government support--and the fact that grain farmers are the ones with the most money to lobby congress (how does he think the food pyramid became a thing?)  So...double standards much?

4) Tons of pointless  #3edgy5me   humor, which, while it did get a chuckle or two from me, was so much of the video, it dragged it out longer than needed.

5a) Ignores studies like this one:  http://www.amazon.com/The-China-Study-Comprehensive-Implications/dp/1932100660 that showed that vegan diets are actually dead last in terms of life expectancy, with people who eat meat & fish being above them, followed by vegetarians, with vegetarians who eat fish being #1.

5b) Considering the slew of lifestyle co-founders like smoking, binge-drinking, being fatter, eating processed meats like cold cuts, activity levels, to name but a few, and considering nutrients like Zinc that red meat has, it's not too hard to explain why those eating meat, fish and other animal products weren't at the top of the list. ;)

6) Whining about corporate/industry funding about milk and eggs.  I think I'll let Alan Aragon get this one:

"*Funding bias?*
And then comes the question of funding source. Are Dairy Council dollars really that good at keeping the overwhelming majority of RCTs in favor of milk for improving bone integrity? If it were true, then we'd at least see a reasonable set of independently-funded experimental data consistently showing that the Dairy Council is wrong. Too bad it doesn't exist. And keep in mind that the dairy industry doesn't have its political talons sunk into every peer-reviewed journal, so there's actually plenty of room for opposing results if they indeed could be derived without the bias. You would think that after decades of bitching over industry bias, staunch anti-milk groups would be able to pool together the resources to spawn at least a small handful well-controlled experimental trials that consistently support their agenda and amusing position that milk does not do the human skeleton good. Nope, hasn't happened."--Source:  http://www.simplyshredded.com/qa-with-nutrition-expert-alan-aragon-milk.html
What's more, he never uses that political crap they pull as a reason to say, "And this is why we shouldn't have government or politics involved in science, period!" As usual, what's not said always says more than what is...because that would mean his own political funded experts being denied funding they couldn't get in a sane world. That's what he doesn't want to happen.  Isn't it?

Wait, I haz moar:
7) Going on about steroid use with Layne. Okay, even if that's true, unless he can show that the rest of his weight class's competitors are clean, I fail to see how that invalidates any of his methods or world records. At worst, it's a false accusation, at best, it's someone going to a dwarf convention and singling one of them out for being short.

Hell, I say all this as a guy who normally has sympathy for the edgy and provocative crowd and black sheep in general. I can forgive damn near everything if the person is at least, you know, correct/honest.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on October 19, 2015, 11:20:33 PM
This is just pathetic: http://lordofstamps.deviantart.com/art/The-Libertarian-Starter-Pack-567225262

So is this: http://lordofstamps.deviantart.com/art/Libertarian-Racism-567247384
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on October 19, 2015, 11:43:59 PM
This kind of response is not going to go away any time soon. If this guy and people with the same political beliefs were interested in how libertarians get their principles about individual rights, they probably wouldn't be statists anyway.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on October 29, 2015, 11:19:37 PM
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Damnit, Swann.
You become The Dark One.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on October 31, 2015, 06:29:23 AM
Why do you sound so disappointed ? Is this guy supposed to be smarter than that ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 31, 2015, 06:56:25 AM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on October 31, 2015, 06:29:23 AM
Why do you sound so disappointed ? Is this guy supposed to be smarter than that ?

Usually he is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on November 06, 2015, 01:11:08 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 31, 2015, 06:56:25 AM
Usually he is.
Damn, I was hoping someone got that reference.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on November 11, 2015, 12:51:50 AM
So, had a pointless little twitter conversation with a min wage supporter.

Convo starts here: https://twitter.com/CatlinNya/status/664263509044281346

Brings up this chart to support his claims:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTgMJ6MVEAAjhHs.jpg)

@micahcwes The slow descents are just accounting for the gradual loss of money power due to inflationary periods.

@Altimadark Periods, plural? Chart has every sharp MW rise followed by immediate gradual decrease.

Yeah. After each small peak it falls due to inflation. However you can see employees were paid more in adjusted USD decades ago.

You're saying that raising the MW always causes an inflationary period. Also, 1950 & 2013 Adj MW are basically equal.

It really says something when they all but admit that the problem they're trying to solve is being caused by their proposed solution.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 30, 2015, 10:23:51 AM
This popped up on my regular LinkedIn email:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/education-adequate-defense-against-rise-robots-martin-ford (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/education-adequate-defense-against-rise-robots-martin-ford)

QuoteDelving further into the numbers, however, uncovers a discomfiting reality. That educational wage premium is being driven not by the fact that college graduates are inundated with opportunity—but rather because prospects for those with only high school educations are in collapse. A 2012 analysis by Citi Research found that incomes for young workers with bachelor's degrees declined by a full 15 percent between 2000 and 2010, and that decline began well before the 2008 financial crisis. Any recent graduate can tell you that we have entered the age of the degree-bearing barista: as many as half of new college graduates end up taking jobs that don't utilize their education.

They manage to completely miss the fact that most of the increase in degrees is in degrees that are basically worthless as far as getting a good job.  Almost any sort of engineering degree will get you into a great, well-paying career, but engineering degrees are bastardly hard to get (and with good reason).  We're practically drowning in people with history and english (and even worse, gender studies) degrees, which are basically useless except for the fairly small number we can use as teachers.  (History and english teachers in Ontario are complaining about not being able to get jobs.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 03, 2015, 07:32:56 PM
If you know what you're doing for example, you could get a lovely job anywhere with a Bachelor's in Geology--doesn't have to be the oil industry (though it is easier to get a job out of there when you have connections...). Same with Engineering. Both are hard to get, and quite demanding--as are most STEM fields, and the law.

This isn't to say the others aren't needed or useful (Gender studies aside), but their application outside academia is limited, and frankly, largely irrelevant.

There's also Mike Rowe's observation about what society expects: there seems to be this delusion that you need a college degree to be successful, and that blue-collar work (or any sort of "dirty-job"--even if white-collar) are somehow not worthwhile. (even though a college degree might be needed for some of them).

Considering my Master's studies is entirely funded by money I make doing one such "dirty job" (Mudlogging), I can't say I agree with that, yet people are largely stupid enough to think it's a must. And I know people who make way more money just welding, or putting in Car windows...there's a whole world out there of dirty jobs.


N.B.: there has been an increasing demand for people with BSc's in Geology, since the job is becoming more technically demanding, and there is a desire for increased accuracy, as the margin for error is increasingly small. I suspect I'm part of the first generation of loggers entirely drawn from college graduates--certainly none of the young people coming in lacking degrees have have been able to get far in my job.

I just hope though I can keep working...this oil slump's got me nervous all year...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 04, 2015, 03:01:07 PM
Here in Ontario there's been a relatively recent push to get people to go into building trades like plumbers, electricians, and carpenters, since we've discovered we have a real shortage of people who can do that sort of thing and it's only going to be getting worse and there's really no way to not need them to build and maintain buildings.  (3D printed buildings are lovely, but we're a long way from the machines being able to plumb and wire them without human labor, and I'm never going to like a printed plastic table better than a wooden or metal one.)  These people make quite nice money (a $50k a year job at 20 is pretty damn nifty, and gets better when you become a journeyman and then a master, and if you've got the talent and drive you can become a general contractor or even a developer and make serious coin) and the trade unions have some pretty decent benefits packages in some of them.

Then we've got the idiots trying to make a go of it in the seriously obsolete taxi industry.  They're so upset about both Uber and the Ottawa airport deciding to pull in a hefty fee for the privilege of picking up a fair at the airport that they recently trashed their dispatch company's dispatch center.  (Yes, that's right, they trashed the office through which almost all their work flows.  The union brought in people from outside Ottawa to bolster their numbers for this action, since there are only 300 taxi drivers who actually CARE about the airport pickup fee, the rest appear quite happy that the 300 no longer have the exclusive pickup rights for the airport and they can make money more efficiently by dropping off one person and picking up another.  Uber, well, they're being stupid and nasty about that and giving a lot of tourists the impression that Ottawa is NOT a place you want to be anywhere near a taxi driver.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on December 22, 2015, 04:26:00 PM
The most incoherent video you'll see all year.

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Must be part of the long running series: "The Protocols of the Elders of Mecca".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: bp_28 on December 24, 2015, 08:10:40 PM
Quote from: tnu on May 28, 2014, 10:09:58 PM
Can you do one for Sam Seder? I have osmething of a vendett a agaisnt theman.
Yeah, Sam Seder is fucking cancer. My ancap friend told me he'd debate him at some point over Christmas break.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: bp_28 on December 27, 2015, 12:30:57 AM
When someone holds power over me, it's Statism. When I hold power over someone else, though, it's called private property rights. "Anarcho-capitalism is a return to fuedalism. -Unknown
The same property rights which prevent me from attacking you prevent you from attacking me and that is extended to our property. I can not own you- this violates private property. Feudalism is a select few people called Lords who were politically connected who were given land by the king, and the serfs maybe could eventually buy a portion of the land from the lords. This is no way private property. This quote asserts that more conflict is caused by private property rather than property rights being a barrier to conflict. This is not true, as most violence violates property rights.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AdeptusHereticus on December 27, 2015, 06:09:40 PM
Is it still a quote if you can't attribute it to someone ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 29, 2015, 03:47:53 PM
Quote from: AdeptusHereticus on December 27, 2015, 06:09:40 PM
Is it still a quote if you can't attribute it to someone ?

yeah: it's an anonymous quote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: bp_28 on December 31, 2015, 09:54:57 PM
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This whole video
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: bp_28 on December 31, 2015, 10:48:52 PM
Also: this whole video
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: bp_28 on January 06, 2016, 07:24:28 PM
Bringing up the flat up conspiracy again. U should do an episode of Bogosity on it:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 07, 2016, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: libertarian__revolution on January 06, 2016, 07:24:28 PM
Bringing up the flat up conspiracy again. U should do an episode of Bogosity on it:
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I think this one's a Poe.  Eric Dubay, who's making money off this idiocy, is a better target.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on January 18, 2016, 05:32:27 PM
Some Bernie Sander supporter shared my "Average Bernie Sander Supporter" meme, and the comments are exactly what you would expect from them: https://plus.google.com/115071146236569053294/posts/HzBDi2PhkqZ
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 25, 2016, 10:39:25 AM
Amtrak's website

https://www.amtrak.com/home (https://www.amtrak.com/home)

Now, a lot of it's pretty good.  I does have all the information you would want about stations, their hours and amenities, and train schedules and amenities. However, the booking system is pretty stupid.  I sometimes check how much it would cost to travel by train to places I'd like to visit (I love train travel, if you have the time and money it's far more comfortable than flying, and you don't get groped) and I have run into really stupid problems of not being able to book straight through to a destination if an overnight layover is required.  (This tends to happen on most returns, as the train up to Montreal, QC, which is where I'd like to enter and leave Amtrak service, goes through Schenectady, NY, before the one that comes over from Chicago, IL gets there.)  Even worse, when I was looking at trains from Montreal to San Jose, CA, it won't let you book that one-way all the way as a single trip, you have to break it at Sacramento, CA, which doesn't involve an overnight layover, and then the return involves changing between the same trains that you change between at Sacramento on the way down at a place called Emeryville on the way back.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 25, 2016, 05:23:29 PM
https://www.facebook.com/TravisRetriever/posts/1658085177785759?comment_id=1658198334441110&ref=notif&notif_t=feed_comment

Every single post by Steven Swenson here.  Fuck Objectivists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on February 28, 2016, 03:23:18 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/trump-kkk-cnn-tapper-154053871.html

I only have this to say:

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on April 04, 2016, 04:58:17 PM
CA Gov. Jerry Brown wants to raise the state minimum wage to $15/hr (https://reason.com/blog/2016/04/04/gov-brown-admits-15-minimum-wage-does-no). His reasoning?

Quote from: Jerry Brown"Economically, minimum wages may not make sense. But morally, socially, and politically they make every sense because it binds the community together to make sure parents can take care of their kids."

Or to put it another way, "The science doesn't hold up, but I support it anyway because MAH FEELS!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 04, 2016, 05:35:30 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on April 04, 2016, 04:58:17 PMOr to put it another way, "The science doesn't hold up, but I support it anyway because MAH FEELS!"

Isn't that the only reason regressives do anything?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on April 05, 2016, 02:38:24 AM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 04, 2016, 05:35:30 PM
Isn't that the only reason regressives do anything?

Regressives, fundamentalists, statists, politicians...  That about covers it. /venkman
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on April 19, 2016, 09:07:26 PM
This feels like one of those situations where something is so stupid it hits integer overflow and winds up being smart.

Zoolander 2 Is Too Offensive for Students, University Shows Deadpool Instead (https://reason.com/blog/2016/04/19/zoolander-2-is-too-offensive-for-student)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 20, 2016, 02:36:46 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on April 19, 2016, 09:07:26 PM
This feels like one of those situations where something is so stupid it hits integer overflow and winds up being smart.

Zoolander 2 Is Too Offensive for Students, University Shows Deadpool Instead (https://reason.com/blog/2016/04/19/zoolander-2-is-too-offensive-for-student)
brb, head exploding...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: R.E.H.W.R. on April 23, 2016, 09:19:24 PM
Really?!? They actually think this is true.
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/13015546_1307088349302140_2731059642223936933_n.png?oh=9e0a440e539a18e7570b3dbb41b3e664&oe=57B6A6FF)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 24, 2016, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on January 18, 2016, 05:32:27 PM
Some Bernie Sander supporter shared my "Average Bernie Sander Supporter" meme, and the comments are exactly what you would expect from them: https://plus.google.com/115071146236569053294/posts/HzBDi2PhkqZ
Reminds me of this furry dude I know who commented on it, being all smug and smarmy saying, "well you would also know that his supporters are very diverse, too much so to be summarized in a single picture like that!"
Um, yeah.  And today's game of:  Name That Logical Fallacy.
[spoiler]Appeal to Complication.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 24, 2016, 01:35:39 PM
Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on April 23, 2016, 09:19:24 PM
Really?!? They actually think this is true.
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/13015546_1307088349302140_2731059642223936933_n.png?oh=9e0a440e539a18e7570b3dbb41b3e664&oe=57B6A6FF)
@OP:  Um, yeah.  Citation needed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 25, 2016, 12:24:56 PM
This doesn't take into account expenses from medical tourism (necessary in many a case), or cases where people simply can't find tge needed medicine.


That's the insidious thing about these systems: the costs to people are there, but hidden. At least in the US, people can SEE there's a problem.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 26, 2016, 09:14:41 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on April 25, 2016, 12:24:56 PM
This doesn't take into account expenses from medical tourism (necessary in many a case), or cases where people simply can't find tge needed medicine.


That's the insidious thing about these systems: the costs to people are there, but hidden. At least in the US, people can SEE there's a problem.

Don't forget the exorbitant taxes levied to attempt to pay for it, as well, and all the harms that causes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 20, 2016, 02:10:23 PM
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Anyone want to go and give Noel a bit of a smack and an explanation as to why he's talking shit about the NC bathroom access bill?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 30, 2016, 11:22:12 AM
And I'm back again with fail and stupidity from LinkedIn, this time pretending that it's a terrible thing that bully-corp Gawker Media has been fatally wounded by it's own arrogance and stupidity:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/you-care-innovation-peter-thiel-vs-gawker-should-worry-rachel-sklar?trk=eml-b2_content_ecosystem_digest-hero-14-null&midToken=AQESusUSbWGtxQ&fromEmail=fromEmail&ut=0tzlbLiobBu7g1 (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/you-care-innovation-peter-thiel-vs-gawker-should-worry-rachel-sklar?trk=eml-b2_content_ecosystem_digest-hero-14-null&midToken=AQESusUSbWGtxQ&fromEmail=fromEmail&ut=0tzlbLiobBu7g1)

It looks like the rather transparent nature of the diatribe has been seen through by most of the audience, judging by the comments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 30, 2016, 04:07:41 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on May 30, 2016, 11:22:12 AM
And I'm back again with fail and stupidity from LinkedIn, this time pretending that it's a terrible thing that bully-corp Gawker Media has been fatally wounded by it's own arrogance and stupidity:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/you-care-innovation-peter-thiel-vs-gawker-should-worry-rachel-sklar?trk=eml-b2_content_ecosystem_digest-hero-14-null&midToken=AQESusUSbWGtxQ&fromEmail=fromEmail&ut=0tzlbLiobBu7g1 (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/you-care-innovation-peter-thiel-vs-gawker-should-worry-rachel-sklar?trk=eml-b2_content_ecosystem_digest-hero-14-null&midToken=AQESusUSbWGtxQ&fromEmail=fromEmail&ut=0tzlbLiobBu7g1)

It looks like the rather transparent nature of the diatribe has been seen through by most of the audience, judging by the comments.

Just so everybody knows: LinkedIn Pulse is more like an open blog system. Any LinkedIn member can publish basically whatever they want. So it's not really "from LinkedIn," since the article doesn't necessarily match the opinions of LinkedIn or anyone directly affiliated with them, other than that particular user.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on June 16, 2016, 01:23:26 AM
http://latest.com/2016/06/whoa-the-nra-just-backed-down-on-gun-sales-for-suspects-on-terror-watchlist/

The most confusingly written article I've ever seen:

Headline: "NRA backs down on terror watchlist"
Content: "NRA's position has not changed"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 07, 2016, 01:33:47 AM
Fuck....

https://www.facebook.com/ben.perez.5/posts/1121150037958958

Do I have to explain the fail? The false dichotomy for example? Nevermind everything else wrong with this!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 10, 2016, 01:26:22 AM
http://www.benjerry.com/whats-new/vermont-gmo-law-begins

As much as I love their ice cream (half baked, chocolate chip cookie dough, fudge brownie, and their strawberry cheesecake fro yo is to DIE for), I'm considering switching to another ice cream brand, if only because the idea of my money going to these assholes kinda takes the fun out of their (admittedly very good, but also very expensive) product...Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 14, 2016, 01:31:08 PM
Well, Tested (the YouTube channel largely showing people used to work on Mythbusters) has pulled a major boner AGAIN:

[yt]7uK1f9aWby8[/yt]

Apparently, this is not the first time she's been on.  Adam seems to have REALLY bad taste in friends.  Or maybe the fog in San Francisco has messed with his brain.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on July 15, 2016, 07:34:38 PM
And again I get caught up in a stupid Internet argument. I just had to stop for a moment when Cataphract made this claim (https://twitter.com/Cataphract/status/754065451139862528), basically cementing him as an Islamaphobe (emphasis mine)

Quote from: Cataphract
@Altimadark The Crusades were an entirely justified retaliation against 400 years of Islamic aggression.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 16, 2016, 04:00:07 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on July 15, 2016, 07:34:38 PM
And again I get caught up in a stupid Internet argument. I just had to stop for a moment when Cataphract made this claim (https://twitter.com/Cataphract/status/754065451139862528), basically cementing him as an Islamaphobe (emphasis mine)

First, if you're going to claim to be the better person, BE the better person. Retaliating with such a destructive campaign that shocked even their own side, makes them no better than their enemies at best. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Second: so what does the Holy Land (which was open to Western Pilgrims: just ask William the Bastard's father) have to do with the Muslim incursions in Europe? Especially as those were already on the defensive: the Normans had retaken Southern Italy and Sicily, and the Reconquista was in full swing. Why go on Crusade? It wasn't Western Europe who owned Jerusalem and lost it to the Muslims: it was the Eastern Roman Empire. And they had accepted the loss of that region centuries before (the closest they got to retaking the place was in the late 10th century, when the army raided towards Tripoli, Lebanon. And the goal here was just to weaken the Hamadanid State in Syria, not conquer the place: one general was even literally disgraced for capturing Aleppo--for insubordination).

Third: the Crusades were a response to Emperor Alexios I's appeal to help him reclaim lost lands in Anatolia (it was a partial success at least in this respect), in the aftermath of Manzikert. He didn't have Jerusalem even remotely in mind. Nor was revenge over something that happened centuries ago a motive: the battle of Manzikert (1071) was a result of the war between the Fatimids and Seljuks, which sucked the Romans into it, as Alp Arsland invaded Byzantine territory on route to Fatimid lands. Prior to that point the Romans were actually doing quite well in the east, as they had recently gained much territory outside Anatolia (and Manzikert needn't have ended in defeat: Romanos V was betrayed by his own generals).

Fourth: Urban II really thought it was a good chance to reunite the Orthodox and Catholic Churches, and to divert the energies of the knights away from killing each other. His speeches recorded by an eye-witness (Fulcher of Chartres), and referenced by his surviving letters, make it clear even HE didn't have what ended up happening in mind: all he thought of was aiding the Eastern Roman Empire. sources stating otherwise were written years after the fact, as an ex post facto explanation.

Finally: the only reason the Ottomans wound up at Vienna's gates was because dumb-ass Crusaders sacked Constantinople in 1204 and made confetti of its empire. That was all that kept Europe from a Turkish invasion, and they destroyed it. Mehmet II's conquests was merely a coupe de gras.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 16, 2016, 11:02:25 AM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 16, 2016, 04:00:07 AM
Third: the Crusades were a response to Emperor Alexios I's appeal to help him reclaim lost lands in Anatolia (it was a partial success at least in this respect), in the aftermath of Manzikert. He didn't have Jerusalem even remotely in mind. Nor was revenge over something that happened centuries ago a motive: the battle of Manzikert (1071) was a result of the war between the Fatimids and Seljuks, which sucked the Romans into it, as Alp Arsland invaded Byzantine territory on route to Fatimid lands. Prior to that point the Romans were actually doing quite well in the east, as they had recently gained much territory outside Anatolia (and Manzikert needn't have ended in defeat: Romanos V was betrayed by his own generals).

Fourth: Urban II really thought it was a good chance to reunite the Orthodox and Catholic Churches, and to divert the energies of the knights away from killing each other. His speeches recorded by an eye-witness (Fulcher of Chartres), and referenced by his surviving letters, make it clear even HE didn't have what ended up happening in mind: all he thought of was aiding the Eastern Roman Empire. sources stating otherwise were written years after the fact, as an ex post facto explanation.

Finally: the only reason the Ottomans wound up at Vienna's gates was because dumb-ass Crusaders sacked Constantinople in 1204 and made confetti of its empire. That was all that kept Europe from a Turkish invasion, and they destroyed it. Mehmet II's conquests was merely a coupe de gras.

You missed an important point:  Alexios I asked for military aid, and expected a fairly small force, of maybe a few hundred knights.  He eventually gets an army of knights, but first he gets this mass of poorly trained, poorly equipped, and, worst of all, extremely poorly DISCIPLINED peasants under the charismatic but not very coherent leadership of Peter the Hermit, and promptly sends them off to be slaughtered when they start looting and pillaging.

The other problem is that while the REQUEST was for some help to retake and solidify his hold on Anatolia, Alexios got a LOT more knights than he was expecting or wanted when they did show up, and they were uninterested in both Byzantine goals (which were limited and mostly defensive, I suspect the inclusion of recapturing Jerusalem had become pro forma traditional verbiage by that point that Alexios didn't expect the knights to take seriously) and promises they had made to turn over captured territory.

Basically, this is why you have to be really careful about asking for violent help from people who are very aggressive and have poor impulse control:  They might just decide to go and savage the people living in a different spot than what you wanted them to savage, and they might just turn on you when they finally notice you're MUCH richer than the people you asked them to savage.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on July 26, 2016, 03:43:29 AM
I just WANT to submit this for BBE, but it's just too silly.  On the other hand this is just
<slow-mow>
lllllooooooooooowowowwwww
</slow-mow>

(http://www.i-am-bored.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/pokemon-go-us-navy.jpg)

Just...no
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 26, 2016, 03:59:39 AM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on July 26, 2016, 03:43:29 AM
I just WANT to submit this for BBE, but it's just too silly.  On the other hand this is just
<slow-mow>
lllllooooooooooowowowwwww
</slow-mow>

(http://www.i-am-bored.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/pokemon-go-us-navy.jpg)

Just...no


Wait, what are you referring to?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on July 26, 2016, 11:13:45 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on July 26, 2016, 03:59:39 AM

Wait, what are you referring to?

You join the Navy, you should NOT expect to be playing Pokemon GO.  Now scrub those toilets sailor!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on July 27, 2016, 04:18:52 AM
Hmmm... probably a bad link:

If you can't see it here's a URL:
http://www.i-am-bored.com/2016/07/is-the-us-navy-evil-enough-to-use-pokemon-go-to-trick-potential-enlistees-pic.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on July 31, 2016, 03:17:19 AM
dug this up on facebook (originally in Arabic):

QuoteIf you consider that the word is six letters long:

What is the thing which has skin, yet is not an animal, has paper and is not a plant*, and a tongue but is not human?

some smart-ass gave this as an answer:

Quotebashar al-assad...


*the correct answer is "the book" (Ar. al-kitab); the word for paper is the same as the word for leaf (waraq); jild, the word for "skin", can also mean "book-cover"; lisan can mean both "tongue" and "language" (since there is writing).

EDIT: wait, why is this in fail quotes? it's supposed to be in Fav quotes XD
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on August 14, 2016, 01:58:05 AM
(https://scontent.fphx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11846610_857925247632632_892592928751755117_n.jpg?oh=9081bd88d8fcda449b1f0da5d145f73c&oe=581C04E1)

Nationalization, Cronyism, Overregulations et cetera.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on August 26, 2016, 11:43:36 AM
More stupidity from Facebook:

(https://scontent.fphx1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/s960x960/14115045_1078290245558674_3487807146534444523_o.jpg)

No lady, the rich are NOT the source of the poor's problems.  It's government privilege.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 26, 2016, 03:57:26 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on August 26, 2016, 11:43:36 AM
More stupidity from Facebook:

(https://scontent.fphx1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/s960x960/14115045_1078290245558674_3487807146534444523_o.jpg)

No lady, the rich are NOT the source of the poor's problems.  It's government privilege.

Set her straight, Uncle Miltie:

[yt]WTLwANVtnkA[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on August 30, 2016, 08:01:28 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on August 26, 2016, 11:43:36 AM
More stupidity from Facebook:

(https://scontent.fphx1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/s960x960/14115045_1078290245558674_3487807146534444523_o.jpg)

No lady, the rich are NOT the source of the poor's problems.  It's government privilege.

So, she wishes/desires that people lose their fortune, because she thinks they ought not to have their fortune, and yet does not call this envy?

But that is the definition of envy...

And isn't she rich or something? I mean, she is a known actress.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 01, 2016, 11:28:13 AM
Well, the Tested gang managed something utterly astounding:

[yt]nHAUfyQf7jU[/yt]

The guy on the right is a sculptor, and he manages to be vastly more irritating that Rebeca Watson.  She gets a 2:1 like:dislike ratio, but this guy manages a 1:2.

I'm wondering is Adam has decided that Tested was a bad idea and is trying to kill it by having guests on that nobody likes.

About Jodie Foster:  Is there any confirmation she actually said that, and when?  She's been an actress, off and on, going back 50 years, and the rhetoric sounds kinda antique, like it was something she said as a kid back in the 60's or 70's.  (She's not only someone you would expect to be wealthy, she's operated a production company, which is a business model that only works if there's large blocks of money looking for things to be invested in.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 02, 2016, 01:22:14 PM
Yeah, that's partly why I find it so questionable. It would come across as a conflict of interest.

Then again, we have Warren Buffet...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 02, 2016, 04:25:11 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on September 02, 2016, 01:22:14 PM
Yeah, that's partly why I find it so questionable. It would come across as a conflict of interest.

Then again, we have Warren Buffet...

My point is that even is she said it, she might have said it back when she was an idiot child and has learned better since.

Warren Buffet, on the other hand, is clearly working an angle.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on September 05, 2016, 11:33:30 PM
Yet another stupid internet argument (http://comments.deviantart.com/1/631882680/4214979144), today with one AComissionReviewer

Redmond17/Altimadark: Obamacare resulted in me losing my health insurance...and having the cheapest replacement priced above what i can reasonably afford.

AComissionReviewer: For better coverage. So how's that a bad thing?

Just to re-emphasize, I cannot afford it. Because clearly you didn't catch that the first time.

So you could afford health insurance before but when it's cheaper you can't?

*headdesk*headdesk*headdesk*

The only reason I'm bothering to mention it here is on the off chance that Lord T Hawkeye would like to waste any of his time talking with a fellow Canadian about how "wonderful" the Canadian health care system is. 9_9

I'm Canadian, which means I live in a country with single payer healthcare and it's wonderful.

I frequent a message board where one of its most active members is Canadian. Often enough he points out how that "wonderful" system sucks.

Which message board because I'd love to see this person. Because if he thinks it sucks he clearly has done no research...

...yeah, kinda my fault for bringing LTH up to begin with. Not gonna direct him here to waste everyone's time, I think I've done enough of that already.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 06, 2016, 06:33:50 AM
Show him my UHC video and ask him why their politicians are constantly promising to fix their broken health care system and only 3% of Canadians think it works fine.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 07, 2016, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on August 14, 2016, 01:58:05 AM
(https://scontent.fphx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11846610_857925247632632_892592928751755117_n.jpg?oh=9081bd88d8fcda449b1f0da5d145f73c&oe=581C04E1)

Nationalization, Cronyism, Overregulations et cetera.
It's also a long debunked copy/pasta.  Just because government does those things doesn't mean nobody else can, or that they wouldn't get done in a free market.  Especially egregious is the fact that many of those things are full on government monopolies, so competitors CAN'T spring up.  Insufferable.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 07, 2016, 01:11:59 PM
This is a bit of an unusual one, because it's from the IEEE (a quite important standards body, you tend to see them in the context of electrical signaling standards, for those not into this sort of thing).


They're running this fun little contest for makers, see here:

http://transmitter.ieee.org/makerproject/ (http://transmitter.ieee.org/makerproject/)

Since they have now cleaned this problem up, I'll give you the video from Dave Jones describing the idiocy:

[yt]KpXvt8HRdoU[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 15, 2016, 09:13:59 PM
Went to check on the Presidential poles, and ran across a link to THIS gem:

http://beta.wplol.us/smartest-and-dumbest-us-presidents-ranked-by-iq-score/1/ (http://beta.wplol.us/smartest-and-dumbest-us-presidents-ranked-by-iq-score/1/)

Apparently, they've found someone who will claim they know the IQs of people who died decades before IQ tests were invented (including George Washington, John Adams, and Abraham Lincoln), and they decided to include several people who never have been president, including at least one who never will be (they put in both Hillary and Donald, and clearly whichever one wins will preclude the other from ever winning).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on September 17, 2016, 06:02:41 PM
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/f445f9bfc00ec55b117514b0725f376b/tumblr_odew1mX4Qy1uxjmu4o1_1280.jpg)

Funny, because I'm pretty sure our cavemen ancestors had a strictly plant-based diet, and yet with our "medicine" we manage to outlive them.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 17, 2016, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on September 17, 2016, 06:02:41 PM
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/f445f9bfc00ec55b117514b0725f376b/tumblr_odew1mX4Qy1uxjmu4o1_1280.jpg)

Funny, because I'm pretty sure our cavemen ancestors had a strictly plant-based diet, and yet with our "medicine" we manage to outlive them.

It also doesn't explain vaccines.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on September 25, 2016, 01:05:37 PM
"this moment in history, for a presidential election, is not the time for a protest vote." – @BernieSanders on @FaceTheNation

Yes, I know we hear this sentiment (https://twitter.com/cascamike/status/780061305327804416) every election cycle.

Doesn't make it any less fail-worthy.

EDIT: Also, doesn't the fact that you have to worry about a "protest vote" suggest you know the Federal Government is doing a piss-poor job?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 25, 2016, 01:21:22 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on September 25, 2016, 01:05:37 PM
"this moment in history, for a presidential election, is not the time for a protest vote." – @BernieSanders on @FaceTheNation

Yes, I know we hear this sentiment (https://twitter.com/cascamike/status/780061305327804416) every election cycle.

Doesn't make it any less fail-worthy.

EDIT: Also, doesn't the fact that you have to worry about a "protest vote" suggest you know the Federal Government is doing a piss-poor job?

He certainly knows the Federal Government is doing a piss-poor job.  The real thing that is indicated by the worry about a 'protest vote' is that he's worried that the VOTERS have noticed, are pissed off, and want it to change.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 07, 2016, 08:19:02 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-to-stay-home-election-day-if-youre-idiot/
Stay classy...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 05, 2016, 04:40:45 AM
In other news, people lying, wrong, or inaccurate are not a big deal:

https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5844b2f2e4b0c68e04818206/amp

Seriously at this point I'm not sure whome to condemn: huffpo (don't know if they're telling the truth) or Ryan.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 05, 2016, 12:37:14 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on December 05, 2016, 04:40:45 AM
In other news, people lying, wrong, or inaccurate are not a big deal:

https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5844b2f2e4b0c68e04818206/amp

Seriously at this point I'm not sure whome to condemn: huffpo (don't know if they're telling the truth) or Ryan.

A bit of this interview on the radio on the way home from work this morning suddenly brought a fascinating thought:  What if Trump is putting out all this (actually quite well founded, given what we already know about the Democratic Party's fraudulent activities) inflammatory stuff to distract his political opponents from finding anything real to talk about?  If so, then Ryan is actually not helping when he talks about how his meetings with Trump are almost purely the practical business of setting policies, selecting people to implement them, and how to get them implemented.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on December 07, 2016, 10:32:38 PM
You may be giving Ryan too much credit. Or the media; not sure which.

Anyways: dad "reports" that Oxygen smuggling is seen as an issue in Egypt


The title translates as: "phenomenon of air-smuggling in Egypt--very dangerous!"

[yt]GzIwrRvV60o[/yt]

(obviously it isn't: the people were "informed", a la dihydrogen monoxide style, that Oxygen is being smuggled out of the part of Earth's atmosphere over Egypt. When asked what to do if they run out of Oxygen, Many suggested getting Oxygen from the US, or the gulf states. Never mind the obvious effects of such a patently ludicrous scenario taking place, I'm now suddenly imagining Egyptians doing
This

[yt]SiabeNR_q0U[/yt]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on December 29, 2016, 09:22:52 PM
For context, Mr. Eichenwald is proposing that this is somehow a bad thing.

(http://i.imgur.com/2TayV4j.png)

I cannot give this tweet even half the eyerolls/facepalms/etc it deserves.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on December 30, 2016, 02:36:26 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on December 29, 2016, 09:22:52 PM
For context, Mr. Eichenwald is proposing that this is somehow a bad thing.

(http://i.imgur.com/2TayV4j.png)

I cannot give this tweet even half the eyerolls/facepalms/etc it deserves.

It should be noted that the people he's decrying for living in mansions AREN'T all that rich.  He's describing what are usually known as 'upper middle class' or 'professionals'.  (This basically are the people who make their living by acquired skills that usually take some underlying talent to learn and use well, but don't usually involve any great physical exertion or use of heavy equipment.)

I'm damn well pleased that people typically in the low 6 figures for income are able to buy large, luxurious homes today.  That indicates just how fast productivity has improved.

Decrying that the richest get richer ultimately means you'd be perfectly happy if everyone lived in identical mud huts, and would object if the worst homes actually in use were small modern cottages if the best were large mansions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2016, 07:57:00 PM
Quote from: evensgrey on December 30, 2016, 02:36:26 PM
It should be noted that the people he's decrying for living in mansions AREN'T all that rich.  He's describing what are usually known as 'upper middle class' or 'professionals'.  (This basically are the people who make their living by acquired skills that usually take some underlying talent to learn and use well, but don't usually involve any great physical exertion or use of heavy equipment.)

I'm damn well pleased that people typically in the low 6 figures for income are able to buy large, luxurious homes today.  That indicates just how fast productivity has improved.

Decrying that the richest get richer ultimately means you'd be perfectly happy if everyone lived in identical mud huts, and would object if the worst homes actually in use were small modern cottages if the best were large mansions.
Gotta love the rat race mentality of modern liberals.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2017, 08:48:57 PM
Okay, so I said I wasn't going to post much in this thread anymore, but this was just too much NOT to post:

"Discrimination is how things are made good."--Cantwell, from this:  https://www.facebook.com/LibertyHangout/videos/1852066598340254/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

Also, given that this is a live feed, currently in motion, by clicking that link, you agree I am not responsible for any content (including the breaking of rules of this forum, and so forth) that Cantwell ends up saying, should he use the n-word.  I posted that as a source for those who want to see it.  I haven't and am not going to watch that debate.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 21, 2017, 04:40:25 PM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2017, 08:48:57 PM
Okay, so I said I wasn't going to post much in this thread anymore, but this was just too much NOT to post:

"Discrimination is how things are made good."--Cantwell, from this:  https://www.facebook.com/LibertyHangout/videos/1852066598340254/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

Also, given that this is a live feed, currently in motion, by clicking that link, you agree I am not responsible for any content (including the breaking of rules of this forum, and so forth) that Cantwell ends up saying, should he use the n-word.  I posted that as a source for those who want to see it.  I haven't and am not going to watch that debate.

1-I don't think Cantwell understands the difference between racial and product discrimination.
2-get used to posting here again: no doubt the fail will rain harder still. Trump has not been in office a week, and he's already won an IE.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on January 21, 2017, 10:06:43 PM
[yt]XHEzU1BLp8o[/yt]

Sweet Celestia! This video contains so much straw that you can barely find a needle in it!

Yo, Shane, can we have Lord Killian rip this strawman a new one? Consider this a request.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 21, 2017, 11:29:34 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on January 21, 2017, 10:06:43 PM
[yt]XHEzU1BLp8o[/yt]

Sweet Celestia! This video contains so much straw that you can barely find a needle in it!

Yo, Shane, can we have Lord Killian rip this strawman a new one? Consider this a request.
Seconded.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 22, 2017, 09:08:36 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on January 21, 2017, 10:06:43 PM
[yt]XHEzU1BLp8o[/yt]

Sweet Celestia! This video contains so much straw that you can barely find a needle in it!

Yo, Shane, can we have Lord Killian rip this strawman a new one? Consider this a request.

Man...I'll try, but I'm having trouble making it through the stupid...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on January 22, 2017, 07:45:25 PM
Found another stupid video in the mentions of that other video:

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The stupid, it burns.

1. If you are the legal guardian of a child, especially an infant, withholding food from them to the point of starvation would be considered child neglect, and thus a form of aggression.

2. Property is the fruit of ones labor. It is literally an extension of their humanity. Property rights are human rights. Also, that extreme example is just that: an extreme example. No one would defend shooting a child for stepping onto a neighbor's lawn. No sane court would defend such a case.

3. That's not how wages work. Does this person not Econ 101. If nobody is forcing you to work on that factory, nobody is forcing you to labor on their behalf.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on January 25, 2017, 09:43:13 PM
Woebegone has an... "interesting" argument against free-market healthcare:

(http://i.imgur.com/wjmn5JI.png?1)

I admit, it took me a moment to catch the obvious problem.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 29, 2017, 02:55:35 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on January 25, 2017, 09:43:13 PM
Woebegone has an... "interesting" argument against free-market healthcare:

(http://i.imgur.com/wjmn5JI.png?1)

I admit, it took me a moment to catch the obvious problem.

Most don't make 1700 a day

some places charge that per month.

What's the connection again?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 29, 2017, 03:22:13 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 29, 2017, 02:55:35 PM
Most don't make 1700 a day

some places charge that per month.

What's the connection again?

He thinks there was no government involvement in health care when Dubya was president.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on January 30, 2017, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 29, 2017, 02:55:35 PM
Most don't make 1700 a day

some places charge that per month.

What's the connection again?

On top of that, he's using the cost of COBRA as an example of a lack of government intervention... When COBRA is government intervention. Seems like a Love Canal fallacy to me. :p
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on January 30, 2017, 09:27:58 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 29, 2017, 03:22:13 PM
He thinks there was no government involvement in health care when Dubya was president.

Oh, I got that.

I just don't get his logic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on January 30, 2017, 10:28:00 PM
He's trying to counter the argument that you couldn't get a years' HC coverage for a day's wages back before govt got involved.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on February 07, 2017, 04:03:39 PM
Intolerant Liberals (https://medium.com/@tuckerfitzgerald/intolerant-liberals-4ecd712ac939#.44whuttuv)

QuoteI have some difficult news for everyone: Progressives aren't interested in diversity. We aren't interested in inclusion. We aren't interested in tolerance. The progressives I know give exactly zero shits about those things.

We have no interest in everyone getting treated the same. We have no interest in giving all ideas equal airtime. We have no interest in "tolerating" all beliefs. I don't know where this fairy tale comes from, but it's completely disconnected from every experience I've had with progressive liberal folks in my lifetime.

When conservatives cross their arms and glare and shout "It's not fair! You're supposed to welcome everyone but you aren't being nice to me!" it stings about as much as if they shouted, "It's not fair, you're supposed to be wearing tutus and juggling flaming donuts!"

The progressive liberal agenda isn't about being nice. It's about confronting evil, violence, trauma, and death. It's about acknowledging the ways systemic power, systemic oppression, systemic evil, work in our world around us. I'm not fighting for diversity. I'm not fighting for tolerance. I'm fighting to overturn horrific systems of dehumanizing oppression.

In the words of Christopher Walker, "This guy, is un-f***ing believable!"

I pretty much wrote a lengthy rebuttal (https://medium.com/@blamethe1st/re-tolerant-liberals-fc2d69ccd513#.5hs4ytcy4) to his bogosity.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 07, 2017, 11:21:26 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on January 30, 2017, 10:28:00 PM
He's trying to counter the argument that you couldn't get a years' HC coverage for a day's wages back before govt got involved.

And the specific fail is him thinking he's talking about a time before massive government intervention in health care in the US.  You have to go back 60-70 years to get back to before the MASSIVE interventions, and pretty much back into the 19th century to get close to a real free market.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on February 16, 2017, 02:45:25 PM
(https://i.redd.it/4mqzqhce9tfy.png)

Good grief! The statist who made this is projecting so hard that you can use him to put on a Star Trek movie marathon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 16, 2017, 02:49:28 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on February 16, 2017, 02:45:25 PM
(https://i.redd.it/4mqzqhce9tfy.png)

Good grief! The statist who made this is projecting so hard that you can use him to put on a Star Trek movie marathon.
I'd point them to anarchyball.  Nearly half of their posts are ripping "An"coms a new one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 16, 2017, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on February 16, 2017, 02:45:25 PM
(https://i.redd.it/4mqzqhce9tfy.png)

Good grief! The statist who made this is projecting so hard that you can use him to put on a Star Trek movie marathon.

And not even looking at their own terms.  Precisely how is any sort of anarchism going to be any form of statism?  Terminology can't be valid and contradict itself.

The other weirdness here is how rarely there's anyone limited to a single employer, which cannot happen without massive state intervention (of kinds that are usually explicitly illegal in most Western states), and even then it's rare for it to actually work on anything but the most local level.  (Even the classical example of the company mining town rarely works.  It is extremely unusual, even with massive state intervention, for there to be no other mines in the region.  Mines tend to cluster because deposits tend to cluster.  If you're experience in mining one type of material, much of your skills will likely transfer to mining other materials.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 17, 2017, 11:47:49 AM
Here's the way I say it:

What if I *want* to use money, work for a business owner,  be a tenant in rental property, etc?  Will you use force to stop me?

If so, you just formed a state.  You're not an anarchist.

If not, congratulations, you're a capitalist.

Simple, no?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on February 26, 2017, 05:57:47 PM
[yt]AKxGuK8GbYw[/yt]

Looks like we have some fresh meat on our hands. This guy is a major SJW, from the looks of his channel, a real HBomberguy wannabee: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJnucewF46pFN74GDfLDZBA

Could make for some fresh bogosity material for Lord Killian to tackle.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on February 27, 2017, 08:59:44 AM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on February 26, 2017, 05:57:47 PM
[yt]AKxGuK8GbYw[/yt]

Looks like we have some fresh meat on our hands. This guy is a major SJW, from the looks of his channel, a real HBomberguy wannabee: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJnucewF46pFN74GDfLDZBA

Could make for some fresh bogosity material for Lord Killian to tackle.

Seems like just another "But that's not REAL Socialism!" poser.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: dallen68 on March 04, 2017, 12:26:50 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on February 07, 2017, 04:03:39 PM
Intolerant Liberals (https://medium.com/@tuckerfitzgerald/intolerant-liberals-4ecd712ac939#.44whuttuv)

In the words of Christopher Walker, "This guy, is un-f***ing believable!"

I pretty much wrote a lengthy rebuttal (https://medium.com/@blamethe1st/re-tolerant-liberals-fc2d69ccd513#.5hs4ytcy4) to his bogosity.

If you eliminate that last paragraph, it's an astoundingly accurate statement. Replace the final paragraph with "use force to oppose everything that disagrees with me" and... Ta-Da!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 02, 2017, 02:41:55 PM
http://travisretriever.deviantart.com/journal/PSA-on-Communism-and-Fascism-672088185
The comments left by the edgelord on this.* As I said in a reply to him, as soon as they start calling you a beta, a cuck, a degenerate, autistic, etc means you win the debate.  Much like Godwin's Law.

What little else I did read was of him saying the Labor Theory of Value has been shown to be more accurate than the economic calculation problem/price mechanism.  Yeah.

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The fact that Venezuela, the old USSR, Nazi Germany, hell every single socialist state ever has failed should be more than enough to show that's bogus, so without even looking at his links, we can declare bogosity.  If he's THAT big a sophist to deny basic reality, then there is nothing to be gained from 'debating' him, even in public.

Now, he *did* violate my rules first for using bigoted anti-ASD statements in his first post.  And for being a pedantic, overly verbose, word smithing asshole--Which I warned about on the comment he was replying to, so he has no excuse.  And if I do decide to block & delete his comments it will be no one's fault but his own.  His first paragraph of his first reply is nothing but playing the victim card and threats to be a self righteous peacock.  Pathetic.

"But I'll just use the webarchive against you!"
I'm shaking in my boots. *rolls eyes*  No really!  Post all you like on your own pages, but I'm the only one entitled to the last word on mine.

(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png)

*If anyone wants to see the comment thread, send me a request over Skype or whatever and I'll send you the screencaps.  I don't want that kind of sophistry polluting my page.  Especially when it breaks two of my most important rules.  Both of them have entertained me enough.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 10, 2017, 01:10:45 AM
https://www.facebook.com/beingalibertarian/photos/a.256552551217454.1073741829.246976735508369/634335716772467/?type=3&theater
The war apologist comments are beyond painful.  Even worse is how many likes they're getting.  What the fuck?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 11, 2017, 08:40:50 AM
Quote from: Travis Retriever on April 10, 2017, 01:10:45 AM
https://www.facebook.com/beingalibertarian/photos/a.256552551217454.1073741829.246976735508369/634335716772467/?type=3&theater
The war apologist comments are beyond painful.  Even worse is how many likes they're getting.  What the fuck?

Yeah, I like how they're all like, "We're only against unnecessary wars" or "unjust wars." But what does that mean? And who decides when a war is just or necessary?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 11, 2017, 04:32:12 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on April 11, 2017, 08:40:50 AM
Yeah, I like how they're all like, "We're only against unnecessary wars" or "unjust wars." But what does that mean? And who decides when a war is just or necessary?

Well, it seems pretty obvious that all wars are going to be unjust from at least one side.  Somebody has to start them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 11, 2017, 11:42:18 PM
That's the problem people have grappled with for centuries, all over the world. One side starts/provokes the war, so obviously they're in the wrong. But  what of the other side? Are they unjust merely by fighting? If not, should they content themselves with merely repelling the invasion? should they carry the fight to the enemy? what constitutes what in Arabic is called "i'tidaa'"--to exceed what is necessary and just? And as you note, Shane, what is "just" in this case?

We've had to grapple with the problem in the Near East since at least the Bronze Age, and we've yet to find a (near)perfect answer. Even religious and legal scholars in the middle ages couldn't agree: the Shafi'is traditionally believed it was just to fight a country simply because it is ruled by an infidel/unjust regime (an attitude not too different from neo-cons in reasoning. Just replace Sunni Islam with Democracy).

Others believed there had to be some serious violation of what passed in those days for international law (killing an emissary, piracy/privateering, invading your soil, etc). While this is more noble in theory, it can easily be seized by a clever sultan to justify aggrandizement. For example Suleiman I used the humiliation of an emissary are an excuse to attack Hungary in the 16th century. Perfectly legal, but what Suleiman I did as a result wasn't necessary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Hungary), and in the long run might have made the Ottomans more vulnerable. This was by dragging in the Hapsburgs into the war (they had a claimant for the Hungarian throne, whereas the Ottomans, after killing the Hungarian King at Mohacs, wanted another candidate: wisdom would have recommended leaving the Hungarians to fuck themselves over--they were already doing a good job of that prior to Mohacs; the Austrians would have taken a long time to sort out the mess--Austria was historically pretty bad at this sort of thing...).

The only conclusion I can come to myself on the subject is that there is no such thing as a truly just war; only necessary ones*. And those should involve defense of home and hearth. This may or may not entail taking the fight to the enemy, but it's hard to tell (if not impossible) when you should or shouldn't.

* to not resist is either to allow occupation: sometimes that may be acceptable, but sometimes it's not (e.g. when dealing with ISIL).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on April 13, 2017, 11:14:43 PM
Now, the show itself isn't fail, buy what he's talking about is:

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So apparently, the media in Egypt suggests the people take an "economic injection", must endure taxes.

And in a scene all too similar to what is going on in Venezuela, the lack of food as spun as a "healthful diet"....That and they're blaming people for the government's ills...and that if they are "too lazy", they deserve to starve to death.

Oh, and the economy is, according to some of them, bad simply as a conspiracy to get al-sisi ousted in 2018's election...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 28, 2017, 08:41:24 AM
Hey, look!

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It appears a small child has decided to try and rewrite history to conform to novels put out by the CCP and challenge China Uncensored with the result!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on May 12, 2017, 09:00:22 PM
[yt]l2-jH1vFrW8[/yt]

You know, it's bad enough we have statists who slander libertarians as "fascists", but now we have actual libertarians coming out as fascists and fascist-sympathizers. I'm embarrassed.

Can we get Lord Killian to rip this video a new one?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 13, 2017, 02:19:31 PM
Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 12, 2017, 09:00:22 PM
[yt]l2-jH1vFrW8[/yt]

You know, it's bad enough we have statists who slander libertarians as "fascists", but now we have actual libertarians coming out as fascists and fascist-sympathizers. I'm embarrassed.

Can we get Lord Killian to rip this video a new one?
Crazy story (not fails)--

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Conspiracy nuttery & Ayn Rand worship have always been some of the anarchyball mods' gris-gris.  But, in light of the Twitter exchanges over the past month or so, I can see where they're coming from with That Guy T and others.  Though 1) That was still no excuse to dox Mr. Dapperton, and 2) I doubt Mr Dapperton could have seen that coming over a year ago.  I know I sure as hell didn't see That Guy T drinking the Kool-Aid then.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 26, 2017, 03:58:35 PM
OK, this one takes some thinking about or some specific historical knowledge:

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This is actually a very undesirable quality for a vehicle that operates at the kind of speeds of a typical passenger vehicle.  In the 19th century, sleighs were really quiet as well, and they killed kind of a lot of people until bells were added to the harnesses (the origin of jingle bells) to reduce the chance that a distracted pedestrian would carelessly walk out into the street in front of one.  I think we've just not had a problem with the danger of quiet, fast vehicles that people aren't thinking about this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 29, 2017, 07:47:05 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on May 26, 2017, 03:58:35 PM
OK, this one takes some thinking about or some specific historical knowledge:

[yt]P33qGqqyzNA[/yt]

This is actually a very undesirable quality for a vehicle that operates at the kind of speeds of a typical passenger vehicle.  In the 19th century, sleighs were really quiet as well, and they killed kind of a lot of people until bells were added to the harnesses (the origin of jingle bells) to reduce the chance that a distracted pedestrian would carelessly walk out into the street in front of one.  I think we've just not had a problem with the danger of quiet, fast vehicles that people aren't thinking about this.

I would hope by now people would have learned to look before crossing the road and not rely on sound. The problem with sleighs was they weren't driven on roads, and so you'd never know where you'd encounter one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on May 29, 2017, 12:07:54 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 29, 2017, 07:47:05 AM
I would hope by now people would have learned to look before crossing the road and not rely on sound. The problem with sleighs was they weren't driven on roads, and so you'd never know where you'd encounter one.

The real problem was in cities, where both sleighs and people had to walk along streets.  Sleighs weren't terribly common, since only a substantial business or a fairly rich person could afford the upkeep of horses.  If you weren't paying attention, it was easy enough to not notice one coming.  The problem of distraction is probably worse now than then, as we have so many more distractions (which includes some that tend to block out sound as well).

Distraction to the point of nearly getting yourself killed hasn't ever gone away.  I recall my late father telling me that in 1944 or 1945 he almost stepped out in front of a streetcar.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on June 23, 2017, 12:55:16 PM
The Kids are Socialists Because Capitalism is Dickslapping the Planet (https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/the-kids-are-socialists-because-capitalism-is-dickslapping-the-planet-4b4980eb2353)


Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, for your viewing displeasure, the single worst thing I read this week. (And I've read an article about a couple who claims they can survive without food and water!)

There is so much wrong in this socialist diatribe that I'm not sure where to begin but the beginning:

Capitalism doesn't have a plan, you know. It only goes in one direction and it doesn't care what you want.

No. By it's very nature, capitalism needs to care about what you want because it's about exchanging goods and services. If a business doesn't give customers what they want, it goes out of business.

The most advanced capitalist states are literally at the stage of collapse and yet we deny that perhaps the problem is capitalism.

Things may be bad, but they're not that bad. The world is not falling apart. (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/12/the_world_is_not_falling_apart_the_trend_lines_reveal_an_increasingly_peaceful.html) Everything from violent crime to armed conflicts to worldwide poverty has been on the rapid decline for decades.

Capitalism is a system that we can prove with any science is fucking the planet and yet the rich can convince most this is progress.

The planet may have problems, but overall, the environment have been improving. (http://rare.us/rare-news/science-and-nature/its-earth-day-and-climate-change-or-not-the-planet-is-still-getting-greener/)

Capitalism not only eats babies, it makes sure those babies suffer horrific and needless deaths first because suffering is less costly than care.

I'm assuming she's referring to the infant mortality rate and how America allegedly has the worst in the world. This simply isn't true. The only reason our rate is higher than other countries is because we count stillborn deaths as infant deaths (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/08/infant_mortality_figures_for_us_are_misleading.html). If we didn't, our rates would be comparable to other developed countries.

Capitalism wants your parents to die long, drawn-out, painful deaths from preventable diseases because managing slow, painful death is a hugely profitable enterprise employing tens of thousands of people.

Fewer people are dying from preventable diseases now more than ever. Most leading causes of death in America (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/u-s-deaths-drop-for-leading-causes/) such as heart disease, cancer, stroke, diabetes, and accidents have seen a major drop within the past 40+ years. If anything, Americans are living longer and healthier lives.

Capitalism is why there are six empty houses in this country for every homeless person but thousands still freeze to death.

No. That's because of the government-created housing bubble. Mises broke this down in four easy steps (https://mises.org/library/housing-bubble-4-easy-steps):

1. The Federal Reserve cut interest rates to as low as 1% so that after inflation we had negative interest rates.

2. As a result, mortgage rates fell to an all time low.

3. Low rates caused borrowing and lending to explode, particularly in real estate. For example, commercial banks more than doubled the amount of real-estate loans they made.

4. All these low interest loans had to be extended to people with worse credit ratings and this increased the demand for homes and other real-estate assets. It should not be surprising that home prices skyrocketed. Click on the link below to the Real Estate Roller Coaster:

Capitalism is why we waste 40 percent of our food while children die of starvation.

No. That's because government regulation (http://reason.com/archives/2017/06/10/to-reduce-food-waste-government-must-get) makes it costly and cumbersome for super markets and other businesses to donate their food, and thus they throw it all away instead.

Capitalism is why 200 species went extinct today.

First, I call bullshit on that statistic because global extinction rate estimates (http://e360.yale.edu/features/global_extinction_rates_why_do_estimates_vary_so_wildly) vary so wildly. Plus if that stat were true, then the entire planet would be dead in a single year.

Just today, it was announced that the Yellowstone Grizzly Bear was removed from the endangered species list. The past decade alone has seen many animals removed from the list: humpback whales, giant pandas, manatees, and tigers, just to name a few.

Capitalism is why we're all going to war for oil under the North Pole.

Most experts agree that both electric cars and cheap renewable energy sources will cause fossil fuel growth to halt worldwide by 2020 (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/02/electric-cars-cheap-solar-power-halt-fossil-fuel-growth-2020). As solar and wind energy costs decrease (https://mic.com/articles/157683/renewable-energy-just-got-bigger-than-fossil-fuels-by-one-key-measure?utm_campaign=social&utm_medium=main&utm_source=policymicFB#.bigRiuWMb), fossil fuel and coal consumption is going to decrease likewise. The free market seems to be pushing that transition just fine.

Capitalism is why your kid is going to die in a water riot.

Excuse me? Have you seen Venezuela? That socialist country is literally on the brink of collapse due to shortages of all kinds ranging from food and water to electricity.

Capitalism is the state religion of sociopaths.

No. Statism is the state religion of sociopaths.

If your kid is a Socialist, at least you raised a kid with a fucking heart. If you're not a Socialist, I don't even know where to start.

I'm not socialist because I know what Venezuela is. I doubt this stupid woman can find it on a map.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on July 12, 2017, 01:50:17 PM
I hadn't heard of this "Tariq Nasheed" until someone pointed him out on my Twitter feed. Apparently he's some sort of anti-white supremacist/black supremacist or somesuch who's decided to create a website to track suspected white supremacists (9_9), but the fail in question surrounds the logo for this website, which... well, take a look.

(http://i.imgur.com/xQyKdAo.png)

Tariq is so adamant that his logo is not a swastika that he's trying to hide it, deleting his tweet advertising the website as well as shutting the website down, at least for the time being. Of course, this has led to said tweet and logo getting re-posted by others multiple times in a clear example of the Streisand Effect. Doesn't help that he's notably silent when anyone (https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/885062789328457728) asks what his logo looks like (https://twitter.com/TarikNasheed/status/885108129503088640).

On a personal note, there were enough people who thought it was meant to be a swastika for the ironic value that I think he would've had an easier time claiming that was his intention all along.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on July 12, 2017, 02:47:22 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on July 12, 2017, 01:50:17 PM
I hadn't heard of this "Tariq Nasheed" until someone pointed him out on my Twitter feed. Apparently he's some sort of anti-white supremacist/black supremacist or somesuch who's decided to create a website to track suspected white supremacists (9_9), but the fail in question surrounds the logo for this website, which... well, take a look.

(http://i.imgur.com/xQyKdAo.png)

Tariq is so adamant that his logo is not a swastika that he's trying to hide it, deleting his tweet advertising the website as well as shutting the website down, at least for the time being. Of course, this has led to said tweet and logo getting re-posted by others multiple times in a clear example of the Streisand Effect. Doesn't help that he's notably silent when anyone (https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/885062789328457728) asks what his logo looks like (https://twitter.com/TarikNasheed/status/885108129503088640).

On a personal note, there were enough people who thought it was meant to be a swastika for the ironic value that I think he would've had an easier time claiming that was his intention all along.

And going after Philip DeFranco isn't likely a terribly smart move, either.  He's got the money and the profile to flatten Tariq in court if he wants to.  Phil's quite right, this is a potentially lethal thing Tariq's doing here.  Phil might not have a lot of choice but to do something about it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on September 23, 2017, 03:47:26 PM
Study: anti-black hiring discrimination is as prevalent today as it was in 1989

https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/911313411413118977
https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/9/18/16307782/study-racism-jobs

This thing's setting off all my alarms, yet I can't quiiiite pinpoint the major issue. :p
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 24, 2017, 08:57:10 AM
Maybe there wasn't really much in 1989 to begin with?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 24, 2017, 01:05:38 PM
Quote from: MrBogosity on September 24, 2017, 08:57:10 AM
Maybe there wasn't really much in 1989 to begin with?

And just how well were these supposedly equivalent resumes matched up?  The study that demonstrated women are twice as likely as men to get offered US university academic positions in STEM fields didn't 'match' resumes, they used the same ones with just the names changed.

Well-known racist Tareeq Nashid (he of the swastika symbol for the system to publish any random accusation against white people) naturally pretended that the absence of black privilege is white supremacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on September 28, 2017, 01:21:59 PM
I wandered from The Guardian's rather banal attempt to pretend they weren't entirely in agreement with Hillary about how she isn't responsible for being unelectable (penned by someone trying to act like they weren't agreeing with her, and doing a bad job of it), and found this prize:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/28/theresa-may-capitalism-jeremy-corbyn-conference (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/28/theresa-may-capitalism-jeremy-corbyn-conference)

They seem magnificently out of touch with the political situation in the UK at the moment:  Corbyn is a communist, his senoir people are communists, he's stacked the Labour Party with his sycophants, and the only reason he isn't completely tanking in the polls is because May is almost as out to lunch as he is.  In fact, the only difference of principle between them appears to be that May doesn't appear to believe political violence is a valid tactic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on October 01, 2017, 12:44:49 AM
Guy by the twitter handle @izs has created a program to allow him to block anyone who disagrees with him. Which, according to this screencap (Original (https://twitter.com/izs/status/913988190851100672)) (Mirror (https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/914163287981359104)) amounts to over 376k people.

And gog, he's so openly proud of himself for building an echo chamber.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on October 02, 2017, 09:06:08 AM
Quote from: Altimadark on October 01, 2017, 12:44:49 AM
Guy by the twitter handle @izs has created a program to allow him to block anyone who disagrees with him. Which, according to this screencap (Original (https://twitter.com/izs/status/913988190851100672)) (Mirror (https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/914163287981359104)) amounts to over 376k people.

And gog, he's so openly proud of himself for building an echo chamber.

Surprisingly, he doesn't seem to have blocked everyone who's pointing out that he's a nutter or those who point out he clearly has no confidence in any of his opinions.

I think he's going to be quite surprised when Twitter shuts down because it cannot make money.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on November 09, 2017, 02:03:49 AM
Another shooting another article complaining how "too easy" it is to acquire a gun:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/health/getting-gun-ease-trnd/index.html

So many problems, the biggest one overall is that overlooks cost.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on November 12, 2017, 05:47:22 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on November 09, 2017, 02:03:49 AM
Another shooting another article complaining how "too easy" it is to acquire a gun:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/health/getting-gun-ease-trnd/index.html

So many problems, the biggest one overall is that overlooks cost.

I wish it were this easy.

As it is, I can't get a "fire-ready" Brown Bess: it's too bloody expensive! ($650)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: BlameThe1st on December 27, 2017, 10:09:27 PM
Taxation isn't theft? Gee, I wonder if this video is actually going to offer us any fresh and new arguments:

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15 seconds in and we have a "what about Somalia?"

Nope.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on January 07, 2018, 01:23:48 PM
If you all were hoping for another one of my stupid internet arguments, you're in luck!

Summary: In practice, @RadicalGoats fails to argue against free market capitalism.

Back when Bloomberg posted that scare piece, "Americans are Dying Younger, Saving Corporations Billions," RadicalGoats gave his knee-jerk reaction (https://twitter.com/RadicalGoats/status/894970416896385025), which I briefly "discussed" with him.

Five months later, RadicalGoats elected to continue the conversation (https://twitter.com/RadicalGoats/status/950000277704278016) (pictured below). His last tweet (https://twitter.com/RadicalGoats/status/950049820391198720) (as of this post, bottom of pic) is so facepalm-inducing in its cognitive dissonance that I couldn't figure out what the best response was. So I gave (https://twitter.com/Altimadark/status/950054978516865025) him (https://twitter.com/Altimadark/status/950055474040328192) three (https://twitter.com/Altimadark/status/950057076818104321).

(link) (https://imgur.com/SEhm78Z)
(https://i.imgur.com/SEhm78Z.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 09, 2018, 07:42:42 AM
The thing I find absolutely baffling about this is that it's all based on this tiny little uptick at the end. Look earlier in the graph and you can see several other upticks, a couple of which are actually greater in magnitude than the last one.

This is noise, people.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on January 09, 2018, 01:24:24 PM
Indeed; that's why I submitted Tozzi for BBE.   ;)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Altimadark on February 28, 2018, 07:12:42 AM
Louisiana student says math symbol looks like a gun, prompts police investigation (http://www.syracuse.com/us-news/index.ssf/2018/02/math_symbol_gun_threat_school_louisiana.html)

*sigh*

Student B comments the square root symbol looks like a gun, Student A responds with an off-hand comment, which goes thru the rumor mill and results in Student A getting investigated by the police under suspicion that he may be planning a school shooting. Police determine Student A does not own a single gun and (shock of shocks) didn't actually do anything wrong.

The paranoid part of my brain is telling me 1) this is going to be counted as a school shooting incident, and 2) the omission of Student A's name seems rather suspicious.

Oh and it looks like Student A is going to an expulsion hearing. Gotta make an example of those dangerous students who aren't actually a threat to anybody.

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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 28, 2018, 05:47:17 PM
Sounds radical to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Skm1091 on February 28, 2018, 09:28:41 PM
Quote from: Altimadark on February 28, 2018, 07:12:42 AM
Louisiana student says math symbol looks like a gun, prompts police investigation (http://www.syracuse.com/us-news/index.ssf/2018/02/math_symbol_gun_threat_school_louisiana.html)

*sigh*

Student B comments the square root symbol looks like a gun, Student A responds with an off-hand comment, which goes thru the rumor mill and results in Student A getting investigated by the police under suspicion that he may be planning a school shooting. Police determine Student A does not own a single gun and (shock of shocks) didn't actually do anything wrong.

The paranoid part of my brain is telling me 1) this is going to be counted as a school shooting incident, and 2) the omission of Student A's name seems rather suspicious.

Oh and it looks like Student A is going to an expulsion hearing. Gotta make an example of those dangerous students who aren't actually a threat to anybody.

[yt]JKJkd4RgNfM[/yt]

Oh for the love of... Are people turning into the 2032 people of demolition man?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 11, 2018, 05:39:48 PM
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 28, 2018, 09:28:41 PM
Oh for the love of... Are people turning into the 2032 people of demolition man?

No, they're turning into a docile version of this:

[yt]sGUNPMPrxvA[/yt]

At least the people in that movie knew they were stupid...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on July 28, 2018, 05:06:37 AM
I've been wondering if you were ever planning getting around to any of Black Pigeon Speak's videos.  In any case here's a video where he REALLY goes off the rails!

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1) The title's about radical individualism, yet I'm not sure where exactly he talks about radical individualism.  I'm instead left with the impression that any form of individualism is just radical in current circumstances.

2) He points to the most obvious and abhorrent manifestations of identity politics (Antifa), and yet says that identity politics is inevitable and required for survival.  Couldn't it just be the that people who associate with groups like Antifa are just horrible?

3) Either he's never actually seen any of Jordan Peterson's videos or has the most extremely bizarre Strawman understanding of Jordan Peterson's ideas.  Back to point 1, what exactly is so "radical" about Dr Peterson's ideas let alone individualism?

4) He closes out saying "the solutions are there to the nightmare of identity politics".  So which is it navyhato (his alias on Twitter), are identity politics a:
-bad thing, OR
-a necessary evil
MAKE UP YOUR GODDAMN MIND!!!
And seriously "look back to go forward"?  What is that supposed to mean?

The Big Lebowski concludes my thoughts perfectly:
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Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 28, 2018, 12:10:04 PM
I've never heard of Black Pigeon Speak. Probably not, if this video is any indication. To do a response, there has to at least be a coherent thought to respond to! If there was one in that video, I missed it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on January 04, 2019, 10:46:13 PM
Sargon of Akkad of course is for closed borders.

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-Publicly funded infrastructure is not legitimate due to the mere ethical problems with taxation.
-Private property can be enforced WITHOUT the government.  That's why it's called a right to keep and bear arms.  To say otherwise is a false dichotomy.
-Close down the borders and it is GUARANTEED that "upper class" will see the "working class" as entitled and indolent.  After all, that "working class" is willing to keep otherwise industrious and eager individuals out of the labor market just to boost their own wages.
-More problems with this video, but I could go on.

Call yourself a "liberal" all you want Sargon, positions like these betray the little slivers of Marxism in you.  After all, Karl Marx himself did advocate for sealed off borders.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on January 06, 2019, 02:51:17 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on January 04, 2019, 10:46:13 PM
Sargon of Akkad of course is for closed borders.

[yt]ycEeDXusv7s[/yt]-

-Publicly funded infrastructure is not legitimate due to the mere ethical problems with taxation.
-Private property can be enforced WITHOUT the government.  That's why it's called a right to keep and bear arms.  To say otherwise is a false dichotomy.
-Close down the borders and it is GUARANTEED that "upper class" will see the "working class" as entitled and indolent.  After all, that "working class" is willing to keep otherwise industrious and eager individuals out of the labor market just to boost their own wages.
-More problems with this video, but I could go on.

Call yourself a "liberal" all you want Sargon, positions like these betray the little slivers of Marxism in you.  After all, Karl Marx himself did advocate for sealed off borders.

Marx may have realized that his ideas were rubbish and turning the whole country into a prison was the only way to keep people from leaving.  Then there's the issue that Marx claimed there wouldn't be countries any more, so...

As for Sargon, he thinks socialized medicine is a good idea, so...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on January 23, 2019, 11:01:12 PM
A video from PSA Stitch:

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Putting aside objections to the existence of government ...

-Punishing a business for simply complying with hostile boycotts is NOT good policy as it puts pressure on said business to shut down operations in either our own or foreign countries.  Doing so means either country loses tax revenue.  As far as this video is concerned, if a business shuts down in an Arab League country it will make the USA even less popular in said Arab country.  To be sure, certain actions, absolutely should not be permitted for the sake of compliance with foreign regulations such as providing personally identifying information without explicit written consent or sound justification otherwise.  Tax deductions for fines levied by foreign governments would also be a good idea.
Then again legislators aren't reliable when it comes to writing sound policy, nor revising it when it's obviously broken.

-The explanation provided for the GOP's support of Israel is based solely on one side of the equation.  Yes it is true that most evangelions evangelicals believe that Israel is linked to end times (per the book of Revelations in the New Testament).  Yes it is true that evangelions evangelicals vote heavily in favor the GOP.

BBBuuuuuut ...
[spoiler]<insert pic of Assface McGee here>[/spoiler]

Evangelions Evangelicals make up only less than 1% of the population and only slightly more than a third of GOP voter base (2016 election numbers) (http://www.pewforum.org/2016/07/13/evangelicals-rally-to-trump-religious-nones-back-clinton/)

Factoring in the numbers cited by Stitch, that means only around a quarter of the GOP voter base their support on End Times prophecy.  Nothing to sneeze at sure, but he also points out that the Democrats also support Israel to an extent.  All of these reasons make me doubt that End Times prophecy was enough for states to enact laws prohibiting the boycotting of Israel.

It could simply be the case that most people support Israel either for business opportunities or that they simply do not want to see the same kind of mass exodus that led to the creation of Israel in the first place or both.  Though I admit to speculation, if it really is the latter case it would make the whole "End Times" prophecy justification moot.

Nonetheless both State and Federal laws are bad policy while the former is undeniably unjust.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on March 02, 2019, 05:55:46 PM
I generally like these videos, but for this series on the Irish potatoe famine I can't seem to count how many times the narrator blames the free market while pointing out policies that go against the free market.

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Especially considering that here's the case another politician with cynical and superficial support of free markets.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on March 03, 2019, 06:18:29 PM
That and people naturally attempted to help; even the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire sent supplies--against the UK government's request. The Irish still celebrate the guy--they got this plaque for him
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on April 03, 2019, 01:30:48 AM
Jordan Peele makes a questionable remark.

TYT goes out of their way to defend said remark with the most hilariously insane double standard:

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Let me get this straight TYT, you actually think it's a good thing when Jordan Peele is being racist??!?!?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 05, 2019, 11:10:22 AM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on April 03, 2019, 01:30:48 AM
Jordan Peele makes a questionable remark.

TYT goes out of their way to defend said remark with the most hilariously insane double standard:

[yt]7xuejtBVRG4[/yt]

Let me get this straight TYT, you actually think it's a good thing when Jordan Peele is being racist??!?!?

They knowingly continue to call their podcast after the political movement that inspired the Nazis to commit the Holocaust (and supplied methodology for a large portion of it), and you actually have to question if they think a bad thing is actually good?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on April 06, 2019, 03:48:19 AM
Quote from: evensgrey on April 05, 2019, 11:10:22 AM
They knowingly continue to call their podcast after the political movement that inspired the Nazis to commit the Holocaust (and supplied methodology for a large portion of it), and you actually have to question if they think a bad thing is actually good?

I know, this just happened to be one of their most dumbest segments
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 06, 2019, 03:51:16 PM
Quote from: Dallas Wildman on April 06, 2019, 03:48:19 AM
I know, this just happened to be one of their most dumbest segments

That's saying something, considering they can be reasonably called "The Proto-Nazis".  How do you stomach watching them?  Alex Jones is at least entertainingly crazy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on April 30, 2019, 06:42:13 PM
OK, let's see about this tweet.

https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1123213723483738118 (https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1123213723483738118)

QuoteDeeply worrying news of an attempted military coup in Venezuela, supported by Trump and the White House. US imperialism must always be opposed.

Solidarity with the Venezuelan people!

Who's it from?  Momentum, of course!

[spoiler]Momentum is a function of the UK Labour Party, currently being run by outright communists.  Naturally, they're deeply upset that their pet communist state is desperately trying to throw off the shackles of communism before everyone dies of starvation.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on June 07, 2019, 10:48:25 PM
Quote from: Kanafe headFor all of the money we are spending, NASA should NOT be talking about going to the Moon - We did that 50 years ago. They should be focused on the much bigger things we are doing, including Mars (of which the Moon is a part), Defense and Science!

For some reason, this is somehow a dumb version of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DLuALBnolM
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on June 25, 2019, 10:41:49 AM
YouTube kept spitting this ad at me the other day:

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Now, firstly, this thing is obviously NOT a knee pad, this is a knee BRACE.  And more than that, this is a spring-loaded knee brace.  And the spring-loading is an interesting idea, but there's no way those springs are strong enough to be worth the bother.  And the brace is poorly designed, because the coverage on the front is too small to provide enough support for it to work well as a brace.  The legit knee braces I've seen have broad straps above and below the kneecap, not those little narrow things.

Now, a knee BRACE is a medical device.  How long before this outfit gets hammered by the FDA, do you think?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 29, 2019, 12:22:13 PM
Here's Tim Pool's morning upload.  It's here not because of the subject, or the production quality (which is pretty much standard for him, and not at all bad for a high-volume one-man show), or the commentary, but because of what happens at about 10:30 because of a third party.

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It looks lik somebody tried to break into Tim's home this morning, before dawn.

At about 10:30 in the video, IT APPEARS THAT THE GUY CAME BACK.

Tim actually gets a little frightening in this one.  And well he should be, since people are trying to frighten him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Dallas Wildman on October 23, 2019, 12:25:46 AM
Every frickin' video by Sky Quack Scholar (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL7QIOZteWPpBWBOl8i0e-g)

One example:
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So because the product of the speed of light in a vacuum and time does not form an orthonormal vector with the other 3 principal directions, spacetime does not exist!  False premises much?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on November 23, 2019, 07:43:09 PM
In my trawl through The Daily Mail's current articles (where I found the one about how Jeremy Corbyn's son managed to go broke selling drugs), I came across this little 'awe cute' article about an actual midget German Shepherd.  (Yes, midget is the correct term for a pituitary dwarf.  Those affected by other forms of dwarfism are not, as midget is very specific as to what it means.)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7709959/amp/This-adult-German-Shepherd-looks-like-puppy-rare-condition.html?ico=amp_moreTopStories (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7709959/amp/This-adult-German-Shepherd-looks-like-puppy-rare-condition.html?ico=amp_moreTopStories)

Mostly, the story is about how this dog, which will never grow beyond puppy size, has been brought through a series of serious health issues, some related to his dwarfism, and some not.  However, there's this aggravating bit at the end.

Quote'At the same time another one of our followers who also has a Dwarf German Shepard told us to get his thyroid levels checked as many dwarfs suffer from hypothyroidism.

'So our vet checked his thyroid levels and sure enough he was low, this can cause hair loss and a loss of appetite.

'After getting Ranger on Levothyroxine and using this soap his fur grew back and the dryness went away.

'Rangers litter was the first litter that our breeder had bred those to specific dogs together.'

'We believe this was the cause of the genetic defect. And as a responsible breeder will not breed the two dogs together again.

'He healthy and happy as can be as of now and loves jumping around and playing with his ball and squeaky toys with his two sisters Hazel and Jessie.'

It MIGHT sound petty, but I really expect newspapers to know the difference between homonyms.  Shouldn't even any automatic grammar checking program detect that error?