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Started by 11mc22, December 26, 2008, 03:09:16 AM

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July 25, 2009, 10:00:53 AM #45
Kucinich starts off with the completely debunked "50 million uninsured," and then expects us to believe him when he goes spouting off unsourced statistics without letting the other guy answer the question?
July 25, 2009, 02:28:30 PM #46
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 25, 2009, 08:41:50 AM
For Socialized Medicine (from that DonJack1776 guy):
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LOL

there was like nothing in that whole video that had anything to do with health care
July 25, 2009, 11:15:00 PM #47
There wasn't? I guess that's what happens when you don't watch it first.
My bad.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
July 25, 2009, 11:36:42 PM #48
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 25, 2009, 11:15:00 PM
There wasn't? I guess that's what happens when you don't watch it first.
My bad.

It was just basically about how liberals trust the government while conservatives don't
and that governments do work in things like health care

This video wasn't really an argument but just a statement on what donjack believes
July 26, 2009, 12:41:58 PM #49
It's just the political false dichotomy again.
August 01, 2009, 02:59:02 AM #50
August 02, 2009, 02:11:38 AM #51
"Public Option"

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August 02, 2009, 02:28:46 AM #52 Last Edit: September 17, 2009, 08:31:29 PM by 11mc22
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I didn't post this vid because of its content
as you can see there is a guy called the theRadicalliberal in the comment section spouting Michael Moore cliches like life expectancy, infant mortality and the really dumb WHO ranking.
The WHO ranking is based on life expectancy, "fair" financing, and etc etc that has actually nothing to do with health care

http://www.photius.com/rankings/who_world_health_ranks.html

In fact the only thing that does involve health care is RESPONSIVENESS which US ranked number 1 for
http://www.photius.com/rankings/world_health_systems.html

Should I even bother responding to him?
I'm really tempted but I don't want to waste my time

not only that, his channel looks like a sock puppet.
August 02, 2009, 02:41:14 AM #53
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 25, 2009, 10:00:53 AM
Kucinich starts off with the completely debunked "50 million uninsured," and then expects us to believe him when he goes spouting off unsourced statistics without letting the other guy answer the question?

September 04, 2009, 02:35:54 AM #54
Something interesting you might want to cover in this episode:
Many Socialized Medicine proponents will go on and on about their personal anecdotes about how cheap and fast their own healthcare was, despite wait times of about 4 months for Canada and 1 year for France (to name a few examples of wait times of systems with Socialized Medicine).
Yet what they seem to forget is that those figures are AVERAGES; meaning that it's perfectly expected that there are going to be people who get in sooner.
But what about the people on the other side of the bell curve of wait times; the ones who have to wait longer, maybe even much longer than the average to get medical care?
What about THEIR stories/anecdotes/testimony?
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
September 04, 2009, 09:16:39 PM #55
And by those people, I mean people who die; not just go to the USA or India for treatment...
I mean, about half as much per capita spent, but even more socialized (higher costs b/c of tragedy of the commons)?
You've gotta be kidding me.
They must have shortages like no other in these places.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
September 12, 2009, 08:29:08 PM #56
Would this qualify as a good video?
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He read it directly from this:  http://libertariannation.org/a/f12l3.html

Shane, what do you think of this?
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
September 12, 2009, 09:08:46 PM #57
Yes, and there are only a couple dozen Shriner hospitals left...many are having to cut back on services, now offering only outpatient procedures. The director has said that if this continues, there won't be any left in ten years.

This is the legacy of government health care "reforms."
September 12, 2009, 10:11:43 PM #58
I should have worded the question better.
"As a source/video for this thread, do you think this was appropriate; if so, how good was it?" would have been better.
Though it does sound like you liked it. :)

As the saying goes: "The worst words in the English Language, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
September 12, 2009, 11:26:29 PM #59
Oh, yes, it was good.
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