universal health care vs private health care

[MrBogosity]

Here's some Reason.TV videos on the subject:

http://reason.tv/video/show/560.html
http://reason.tv/roughcut/show/133.html
http://reason.tv/video/show/333.html
http://reason.tv/video/show/407.html

And here's a website critical of Canada's system, especially the waiting limits:
http://www.nomorewaiting.info/site/index.cfm

[11mc22]

so are you planning to make an episode against universal health care soon?

[MrBogosity]

I'm focusing on the DVD right now.

[11mc22]

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/socialized.html

another website

[Real Captain Olimar]

I'm focusing on the DVD right now.

WOO HOO!

[11mc22]

I don't live in America so i don't know exactly what this is

[MrBogosity]

They are good. The idea is that you can take part of your paycheck and put it in one of these accounts pre-tax. You can remove money from the account as long as it's for medical use, again paying no taxes.

The problem is there are so many stupid restrictions on them they're almost worthless. Ron Paul (a medical doctor) has tried several times to introduce a bill that lifts these restrictions so that they can be an important solution to health care expenses, but it never goes anywhere.

[11mc22]

this is another video that talks about it

[Tom S. Fox]

Don’t ask me! I know nothing about the topic!

[Andy120290]

but I'm pretty sure you've watched Sicko before
you must know something

If you want to call "knowing" something by watching a Michael Moore movie.

[Tom S. Fox]

that's why i posted the videos!!!!!

I’m sorry! I’m sorry! I might watch them later!

but I'm pretty sure you've watched Sicko before

As a matter of fact, I haven’t. I don’t think it was shown over here.

i don't know too much on this issue either but at least I'm participating by giving my opinions and my thoughts

Yes, but I don’t have opinions and thoughts about it, because I don’t know anything about it!

I want more people here taking a side ...

I’m impartial.

[11mc22]

the World Health Organization looks into why Americans have such low life expectancy compared to other industrialized countries

http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/pr2000-life.html

a lot of universal health care advocates wants you to think that these countries have higher life expectancy just because of universal health care, but they miss many factors that can contribute to lower life expectancy in America such as crime, HIV, drug use, lack of exercise, unhealthy eating habits, and so on.

and another website:
http://www.worldhealth.net/news/u_s_life_expectancy_reaches_record

[MrBogosity]

I think we can improve most of that just by getting rid of the War on Drugs.

[11mc22]

here is another website i found

http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2007/09/natural-life-expectancy-in-united.html

Reuters goes on to say that the death rates from the top three natural causes of death in the United States, heart disease, cancer and stroke, all decreased in 2005 compared to the previous year, helping to contribute to the increase in U.S. life expectancy. What the Reuters article doesn't tell us is something we find more interesting. Here, what they don't tell us is that the CDC's life expectancy figures also incorporate non-natural causes of death, such as those resulting from fatal injuries, which include motor vehicle accidents, falls, accidental poisonings, homicides, et cetera.

This low ranking in life expectancy is often pointed to as being the result of the deficiencies of the health care system in the U.S. The problem with this thinking however is that it does not account for the fact that the U.S. has a disproportionate number of individuals who die as the result of fatal injuries compared to the other wealthy nations of the world. This does not reflect upon the quality of health care in the U.S., in that these events almost universally occur independently of the condition of health of the individuals who die as a result of these factors.

[11mc22]

leading causes of death in America

source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/FASTATS/lcod.htm
and http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/LCWK9_2005.pdf

1. heart disease
2. cancer
3. stroke
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries)
6. Diabetes
7. Alzheimer's disease
8. Influenza/Pneumonia
9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis
10. Septicemia
11. Intentional self-harm (suicide)
12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis
13. Essential (primary) hypertension and hypertensive renaldisease
14. Parkinson's disease
15. Assault (homicide)

obesity linked to or increases the risk of numbers 1,2,3,6,13 and obesity affects about 33% of American adults.

source: http://www.downtoearth.org/articles/obesity_america.htm

http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/obesity-health-risks#

smoking is linked to or increases the risk of numbers 1,2,3,4,6,8 and probably more. lung cancer is the leading causes of death in the cancer category and most of it is from smoking. smoking is the leading cause of preventable diseases and deaths. Alcohol consumption is also linked to some of those numbers.

solution:
1.for obesity. Get off the couch and exercise and eat some vegetables.
2.plan to stop smoking and stop drinking so much. drinking little is proven to be healthy but drinking so much and passing out will get you some brain damage, liver damage and so on.
3.for accidents. some people should stop being such a Dumbass on the road
4. As for assault and homicide, get rid of The War on Drugs and strict gun control because both have been proven failures. But is the government listening?

you guys can list more solutions

so basically America's life expectancy can go up dramatically if people lived a healthier lifestyle. Europe and Canada has a healthier lifestyle, less crime, and less accidents and they live longer because of it.