Fail Quotes

[Travis Retriever]

So if the government confiscated everything you had, you'd be completely free?

Not to mention what republican ever actually substantially cut taxes AND proportionally cut spending?  (cause if you don't do the latter, you're just deferring the payment to the next generation)

And more often than not, more debt generally means more inflation in the meantime, IIRC.

[MrBogosity]

And more often than not, more debt generally means more inflation in the meantime, IIRC.

Either way, it's not actually cutting taxes, just reshuffling the tax burden (generally by placing more of it on the poor).

[evensgrey]

And more often than not, more debt generally means more inflation in the meantime, IIRC.

It's called 'monetizing the debt'.  Since US law doesn't allow the Treasury to simply have the Fed print money for them (that having been tried and proving to be a complete fiasco) they sell bonds, which are bought up by the Fed, which then uses them to justify issuing more currency.  The only reason the US doillar hasn't collapsed already is this process occurs only at the rate the federal government currently accumulates debt.

[BlameThe1st]

[yt]SW2TBJPuoAI[/yt]

I would take his reasoning more seriously if they had at least some rationale behind them. But no. Most of it is just "well, you know, it is what it is, its a lot like this; therefore, it's that."

And then there's this comment:

Capitalism is a religion.  Banks are churches.  Bankers are priests.  Wealth is heaven.  Poverty is hell.  Rich people are saints.  Poor people are sinners.  Commodities are blessings.  MONEY IS GOD.

[Travis Retriever]

[yt]SW2TBJPuoAI[/yt]

I would take his reasoning more seriously if they had at least some rationale behind them. But no. Most of it is just "well, you know, it is what it is, its a lot like this; therefore, it's that."

And then there's this comment:

Just looking at the title of that video, I don't even have to watch it to know it's going to be such projection I could see it from the moon.

[MrBogosity]

[yt]SW2TBJPuoAI[/yt]

I would take his reasoning more seriously if they had at least some rationale behind them. But no. Most of it is just "well, you know, it is what it is, its a lot like this; therefore, it's that."

And then there's this comment:

It's no different than creationists trying to claim evolution is a religion.

[Travis Retriever]

It's no different than creationists trying to claim evolution is a religion.

U MEAN EVIL-UTIONISM YOU EVIL GOD HATIN' BABY EATIN' A-THUMB-THEIST! D:

In all seriousness, brands of woos sound similar.  Deal with one, you've dealt with them all.  SJWs (and a few too many socialists/statists) calls you a cisshit lord who needs to check his privilege (despite them always being better off than us) and creationists/fundies use stuff like above.

Though, I think you've hinted that the moon-hoaxers tend to be the most smug and desperate...I'm personally afraid to even ask.  Though I'll still never forgot Jarreh White's beautiful math skills. Hur hur.

[evensgrey]

Though, I think you've hinted that the moon-hoaxers tend to be the most smug and desperate...I'm personally afraid to even ask.  Though I'll still never forgot Jarreh White's beautiful math skills. Hur hur.

Moon hoaxers, like creationists, come in two basic flavors:  The ones who actually believe the crazy, and the cynical ones who make the media products that are sold to the former.

My personal favorite bit from the hoaxers is something about the woman who claims she saw a coke bottle kicked over on the Apollo 11 moonwalk, which didn't make it into Shane's video for whatever reason.  It's something that the professionals hope their prey don't know about, because it demonstrates what they really are (although Jarreh's math skills also accidentally turned up proof of that).

The full story, which hoaxers don't use, is that she claims she stayed up very late to watch the live coverage of the moonwalk and saw the lens flair she mistook for a coke bottle being kicked over and rolling away.  She says she was home, which at that time was in western Australia.  The problem with her story is that the Apollo 11 moonwalk was late at night FOR EASTERN NORTH AMERICA.  In western Australia, it happened in early afternoon.

Unfortunately, it is entirely possible she really believes her obviously impossible story.  People can be induced, quite easily, to concoct complex, detailed memories of events that didn't occur over the course of a couple of weeks (and then it becomes very difficult to dissuade them from the notion that these things happened), and she's had DECADES to convince herself she saw something that didn't happen at a time she couldn't have seen it.

[MrBogosity]

My personal favorite bit from the hoaxers is something about the woman who claims she saw a coke bottle kicked over on the Apollo 11 moonwalk, which didn't make it into Shane's video for whatever reason.

Because if I put in each and every claim they made I'd still be making the video and it would end up being 18,000 hours long!

And yes, it's an obvious lens flare. A lot of UFO videos are, actually. Ordinarily they're easy to tell, because they move opposite the light source, but modern cameras with image stabilization make it less obvious.

We've talked about false memories on the podcast. She could easily have gone from "I saw something weird" to "It was definitely a Coke bottle, I saw the logo and everything" without even realizing it. She could have even made it up as a lie, and ended up believing it after numerous retellings with the original memory of concocting the lie never being reinforced.

[evensgrey]

Because if I put in each and every claim they made I'd still be making the video and it would end up being 18,000 hours long!

And yes, it's an obvious lens flare. A lot of UFO videos are, actually. Ordinarily they're easy to tell, because they move opposite the light source, but modern cameras with image stabilization make it less obvious.

We've talked about false memories on the podcast. She could easily have gone from "I saw something weird" to "It was definitely a Coke bottle, I saw the logo and everything" without even realizing it. She could have even made it up as a lie, and ended up believing it after numerous retellings with the original memory of concocting the lie never being reinforced.

Interesting you mention UFO's in this context, as they're one of the classic examples of false memories.  I recall reading, years ago (so, perhaps this is a false memory itself), of an incident in which the passengers on an airliner had a quite spectacular view of a meteor.  Within 3 DAYS, some of them were describing, in detail and apparent complete sincerity, seeing a spacecraft with portholes, and being able to see the occupants through those portholes.  (This is why the proper UFOlogists, the ones who really do try and sift through the nonsense looking for real evidence, Houdini-style, don't care what you say you saw, they care only if you've got photos or video that they can then do a proper examination of to see if they can figure out what it really was.)

[R.E.H.W.R.]

Just looking at the title of that video, I don't even have to watch it to know it's going to be such projection I could see it from the moon.

This puritan actually thinks that porn is a drug.

[Altimadark]

"Maybe it's time for mandatory voting." - Barack Obama

Considering how often the value of voting has come up before, this sounds like a bad idea.

[MrBogosity]

"Maybe it's time for mandatory voting." - Barack Obama

Considering how often the value of voting has come up before, this sounds like a bad idea.

Someone should remind him how that worked out for Socrates...

[AdeptusHereticus]

Yeah ... That point comes up in France from time to time ...

There has been a total of one person in the political spectrum in France who had a good idea, he ran for office several times and never made it in the second round. He pointed out that blank ballots do not count in the result of the polls. They are treated as if they were nulls. They are not given any value. So he proposed that we count them in and give them the same value as other ballots because there is no reason we should vote for anyone if no one is convincing enough. After the last election, the party in place (socialists) tried to trick everyone by announcing that blanks were not nulls anymore ! Hourray! Well what the law actually said was that they would be counted as a separate category from the nulls. But they still weren't valid and not integrated in the poll results ... That's the kind of sleaze those people are capable of ...

And that's the extent of discussion that happens about our current voting system. Nobody cares about alternative poll methods at all.

I don't know what is the next step, but if voting eventually becomes mandatory, I'll surely become a cynic old fuck because I absolutely can't see myself vote for the dumb morons that manage to get enough support to appear on the poll list. Soooooo, I don't know ... I'll probably find a way to have the state forbid me to vote ... I'll have to go to syria and train with ISIS or something

[AdeptusHereticus]

Someone should remind him how that worked out for Socrates...

Can you expand on that ? Because I can't seem to find a link about it ... Thanks.