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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7800 on: July 21, 2015, 01:00:18 AM »


I have to ask what Mr. Sanders defines as record breaking....does he mean absolute levels, or relative? does he take inflation into account or not?

also, due to the nature of taxation, taxing too high might well cause only a short-term increase in revenue: eventually the revenues will essentially return to pre-tax raise levels, as the full economic impact settles in (that's why Sweden runs a budget deficit, though its tax rate is FAR FAR higher).
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« Reply #7801 on: July 21, 2015, 11:15:33 AM »
I have to ask what Mr. Sanders defines as record breaking....does he mean absolute levels, or relative? does he take inflation into account or not?

also, due to the nature of taxation, taxing too high might well cause only a short-term increase in revenue: eventually the revenues will essentially return to pre-tax raise levels, as the full economic impact settles in (that's why Sweden runs a budget deficit, though its tax rate is FAR FAR higher).

If they jack up the corporate tax rate in the US too much (already one of the highest in the world, as I understand it) then more companies will follow suit with Burger King and switch themselves to Canada.

As for the actual effect of the rate, IIRC, the highest proportion of GDP taken as personal income tax in the US was 19.6%, which occurred during the "Bush Tax 'Cut'".

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« Reply #7802 on: July 21, 2015, 01:42:15 PM »
Feminism rots the brain now.
He just went full potato...again!
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« Reply #7803 on: July 21, 2015, 01:44:01 PM »
https://reason.com/archives/2015/07/21/privatizing-marriage-is-a-terrible-idea
If the title is any indicator...

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« Reply #7804 on: July 21, 2015, 08:20:37 PM »
And again, we're also ignoring the success stories of people using e-cigs to quit the nicotine habit altogether! Also, without e-cigs, what does this moron think people are going to do, other than go back to cigarettes? So the fact that they're much safer than cigarettes is ABSOLUTELY relevant!
(emphasis added by me)
Actually, it seems they want that, given this bit in the description: "It makes us wish hipsters would go back to rolling their cigarettes."
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« Reply #7805 on: July 25, 2015, 12:17:36 PM »

Where upwards of 10% of them will be raped. :P
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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7807 on: July 26, 2015, 02:17:15 AM »
Uh..huh. I don't see anything, anywhere that makes a God damn fucking bit of difference. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/aug/28/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-tax-share-paid-corporations-ha/

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« Reply #7808 on: July 26, 2015, 11:21:21 AM »
Uh..huh. I don't see anything, anywhere that makes a God damn fucking bit of difference. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/aug/28/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-tax-share-paid-corporations-ha/

Bernie Sanders is complaining that the share of taxes from corporate income is too low.  The reality is that corporations' share of income has declined with personal income taking it's place.  In other words while true, it's really a stupid complaint in context.
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« Reply #7809 on: July 26, 2015, 03:26:48 PM »
Bernie Sanders is complaining that the share of taxes from corporate income is too low.  The reality is that corporations' share of income has declined with personal income taking it's place.  In other words while true, it's really a stupid complaint in context.

And the main reason income has shifted that way is that the personal income tax rates for the highest incomes are lower now.  In the 1950's, the most efficient way to richly reward your senior executives was with company perks, like cars with drivers (but basically never quite what the executive would have chosen).  Once the top tax rates went down, it became preferable to stop giving a lot of those perks and just give them the money instead (so they could buy the luxury car they actually wanted, for example).

(Incidentally, this also connects to why claims that Japanese firms don't have such wildly different compensation for the highest and lowest paid people are bunk.  They just don't COUNT the perks Japanese executives get that American ones don't, like golf club memberships, which can run into millions of dollars a year in Japan.)

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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7810 on: July 27, 2015, 08:32:41 AM »




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the real problem is that we are not drawing in the amounts of tax money as before. why? because corporations rule this country. they have their politician whores that will do their bidding. programs that are funded by public tax dollars that are suppose to benefit that same public are instead going to corporations. our tax money is going into corporate pockets in the form of bailouts and subsidies. then, on top of that, they get a bunch of tax breaks. some companies have a negative tax rate, where they are getting more tax money back in subsides (corporate welfare) than they are putting into the system. couple all this with the billions we piss away to Israel alone in foreign aid (not to mention other nations we just hand money to) and you can see how our money is going to those who do not need it. we warmonger our money away. we spend over $700 billion a year on the military so the military industrial complex can warmonger us into oblivion. we can easily cut that in half and still be spending more than the closest rival in military spending. drop the money we cut into the pockets of the vets and the VA to get the vets the treatment and support they deserve and once that is all taken care of, apply it to other parts of our country...you know, like infrastructure.

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Lol ok. You do realize that the labor unions represent workers. They push for people to be able to collectively voice their concerns. It was labor unions that helped pave the way for workers' rights and representation. The Koch brothers are trying to screw over everyone but themselves and their rich buddies. They push for fracking despite its negative affects on the environment, paying people to lie about its affects through a variety of acenues. Same goes for climate change/global warming. They purposefully mislead others by throwing money at various sources so they can continue to make more money at the expense of the American people. They are part of the Establishment and the corporate oligarchy set up in power.



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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7811 on: July 28, 2015, 01:03:16 PM »
Bernie Sanders: The Vox conversation

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Bernie: Open borders? No, that's a Koch brothers proposal...What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy.

Eh, what right-wing people has Bernie been listening to? Because it's not Rush Limbaugh. It's not Fox News. It's not every Republican candidate who's been pandering to their base by promising them a barb-wire electric fence along the border with gun turrets every 100 feet. Open borders has been a left-wing proposal, or at best, a libertarian one.


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« Reply #7812 on: July 28, 2015, 03:16:09 PM »
Bernie Sanders: The Vox conversation

Eh, what right-wing people has Bernie been listening to? Because it's not Rush Limbaugh. It's not Fox News. It's not every Republican candidate who's been pandering to their base by promising them a barb-wire electric fence along the border with gun turrets every 100 feet. Open borders has been a left-wing proposal, or at best, a libertarian one.

Mainstream politicians consider the Koch brothers to be libertarians. Also, from their point of view, you look at Rush Limbaugh, and then you look to spaces to the right and you find Shane Killian. That being said, every conservative I've ever heard of is for a closed border. You should see my Facebook with all the "If you crossed the border illegally...(blah blah) posts."

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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7813 on: July 28, 2015, 03:17:30 PM »
Bernie Sanders: The Vox conversation

Eh, what right-wing people has Bernie been listening to? Because it's not Rush Limbaugh. It's not Fox News. It's not every Republican candidate who's been pandering to their base by promising them a barb-wire electric fence along the border with gun turrets every 100 feet. Open borders has been a left-wing proposal, or at best, a libertarian one.

It's not even Rand Fucking Paul!

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« Reply #7814 on: July 29, 2015, 08:12:16 PM »
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/03/30/was-the-new-deal-a-bust.html

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'm aware of the many social democracies in Europe. I am hoping to move to one eventually. But that whole unbridled capitalism thing has a way of enslaving us, you know. These countries that have this kind of government are doing better than the US. Denmark, Sweden, Australia, Canada, Iceland, Germany, hell I'll even throw in Great Britain, are all doing better than we are at the moment.

Yeah, you are right, places like Australia don't have an armed citizenry. And how many gun deaths have they had since Sandy Hook? The US has topped beyond 85,000 since Sandy Hook. We as a nation have a problem and we are too stupid to do anything about it. Instead, most are too uptight about the government being the boogy man, which means we as the people are failing because we are the ones who vote them in. The system, overall, works minus some bad quirks but the vast majority of the problem is who we vote in. But hey, I'm growing very apathetic towards Americans because they keep voting these idiots in and demonstrate they are just as idiotic. They are handing themselves to hell in a hand basket.


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