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Re: Unnamed(?) logical fallacies
« Reply #120 on: February 04, 2010, 10:20:31 PM »
How about this one:
"It has never happened before, therefore, it will never happen."  Appeal to lack of precedent (unless there is an official name?  If you can think of a better name, please give it).

A common use I've seen of this logical fallacy is from, say, 9/11 truthers; "A building has never fallen like this before without controlled demolition!  It must have been controlled demolition."
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Re: Unnamed(?) logical fallacies
« Reply #121 on: February 05, 2010, 07:00:54 AM »
Actually, that would just be Appeal to Precedent; there's no need for the "lack of" part.

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Re: Unnamed(?) logical fallacies
« Reply #122 on: February 05, 2010, 07:44:00 PM »
This also sounds similar to what Nassim Nicholas Taleb calls the "black swan" (covered in his book of the same name). Basically, just because something hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't or won't happen.
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Re: Unnamed(?) logical fallacies
« Reply #123 on: February 05, 2010, 08:04:39 PM »
Actually, that would just be Appeal to Precedent; there's no need for the "lack of" part.
OK, thanks.
So is this a pre-existing logical fallacy?
I ask because it wasn't added to the group on your first post.
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Re: Unnamed(?) logical fallacies
« Reply #124 on: February 05, 2010, 08:05:09 PM »
This also sounds similar to what Nassim Nicholas Taleb calls the "black swan" (covered in his book of the same name). Basically, just because something hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't or won't happen.
That's EXACTLY what it is.
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Re: Unnamed(?) logical fallacies
« Reply #125 on: February 17, 2010, 08:47:33 PM »
Here's one thought up by Shane.

Appeal to majority.
The majority of a population believe X to be true, better or legitimate therefore, it is.
This is similiar to an appeal to popularity, only instead of just being popular, it is more specific:  a majority of people think so, instead of just "many".
The entire concept of democracy is rooted in this fallacy (or fallacy family).

Example:  "Polls show that 75% of Canadians like their UHC, therefore it is better than free market health care."

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Re: Unnamed(?) logical fallacies
« Reply #126 on: February 19, 2010, 04:52:33 PM »
I still think we need one for being falsely accused of being a conspiracy theorist.

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Re: Unnamed(?) logical fallacies
« Reply #127 on: February 19, 2010, 06:25:16 PM »
You seem to be forgetting to add them if you like them to the list in the beginning.
Unless of course you haven't seen any worth adding in a while.

Appeal to conspiracy?
When they accuse you falsely of being a conspiracy theorist?
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Re: Unnamed(?) logical fallacies
« Reply #128 on: February 19, 2010, 08:02:04 PM »
Which ones do you think I've missed? I don't feel like going through the thread right now.

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Re: Unnamed(?) logical fallacies
« Reply #129 on: February 19, 2010, 08:21:12 PM »
1.  Appeal to "same argument"

2.  Appeal to Precedent

3.  Appeal to majority

4.  Appeal to conspiracy
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Re: Unnamed(?) logical fallacies
« Reply #130 on: February 19, 2010, 09:27:44 PM »
Okay, but I'd really like to think of better names that appeal to same argument and appeal to conspiracy. I'll go ahead and put the other two in.

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Re: Unnamed(?) logical fallacies
« Reply #131 on: February 20, 2010, 01:44:38 AM »
OK, for #1, how about "Argument Association Fallacy"?

For #4, how about "Pseudo Conspiracy Fallacy"?

Are these good?
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Re: Unnamed(?) logical fallacies
« Reply #132 on: February 20, 2010, 07:29:59 AM »
How about False Conspiracy? I think that sounds better.

Still not wild about the first one. You don't really get an indication of what it is just by reading its name.

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Re: Unnamed(?) logical fallacies
« Reply #133 on: February 20, 2010, 11:16:31 AM »
How about this: the Best Game In Town Fallacy.

"Our court system/universal health care/democracy/whatever may not be perfect, but it's the best game in town."

Related to the Holmesian Fallacy, the problem is that, even if you could prove your system is the best (extremely difficult, to say the least), you still cannot use this as an argument against other proposals which may yet be better.
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Re: Unnamed(?) logical fallacies
« Reply #134 on: February 20, 2010, 03:12:17 PM »
@Shane:  "False Conspiracy" sounds good to me! :) 

I still liked the "Argument Association Fallacy".  Oh well.  We'll come up with something better sooner or later.

"the Best Game In Town Fallacy"  Also sounds good. :)
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