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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #360 on: May 24, 2010, 02:28:31 PM »
"Religion is JUST a theory, people! A worthless one if you'd ask me."--allianceofdemons on youtube
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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #361 on: May 24, 2010, 08:37:01 PM »
Isn't his point #2 exactly what communists say?

Alright, I said I'd ask him exactly what you said and here's the reply I got:

"Never heard a communist say anything like that at all. Matter fact most of them try to say anarchism will never have to worry about anything because everyone 'will produce enough shit' or something. Yeah like disputes would never arise in a free society. You should read some Ludwig von Mises, about how its impossible for a minority to rule a majority for long unless the minority starts to become more popular etc, you think if the small group of anarchists we had now destroyed the government the bulk of humanity wouldn't just try to get a state back?"

I would personally like to hear what you think of his response.
As for me, it's the last clause that caught my attention.
Well of COURSE if we use force ("destroy") to overthrow the state, people would hate us for it, would see us as violent aggressors and would probably put us in gulags for killing so many people!
That would of course, make people associate anarchy and anti-statism with violence and of course further increase the state's legitimacy: the LAST thing we need to do.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2010, 08:41:07 PM by surhotchaperchlorome »
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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #362 on: May 24, 2010, 08:59:28 PM »
I call BS. He's NEVER heard a communist say this?

"Let's say we smashed capitalism tomorrow, without first converting humanity to be communistic, they would still be capitalists, disorder would take place, they would blame communists, say that capitalism is right, and politicians would rise to meet that demand and would have much popular support. The way the video words it makes it sound like they are saying communism is unpractical now, and doesn't explain at all by what they mean."

That's EXACTLY what they say. What they ALL say. He CAN'T have had any dealings with communists if he hasn't heard that.

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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #363 on: May 24, 2010, 10:01:51 PM »
I call BS. He's NEVER heard a communist say this?

"Let's say we smashed capitalism tomorrow, without first converting humanity to be communistic, they would still be capitalists, disorder would take place, they would blame communists, say that capitalism is right, and politicians would rise to meet that demand and would have much popular support. The way the video words it makes it sound like they are saying communism is unpractical now, and doesn't explain at all by what they mean."

That's EXACTLY what they say. What they ALL say. He CAN'T have had any dealings with communists if he hasn't heard that.
Indeed.

Out of curiosity, do you think my assessment of the last point of his reply is accurate?
I honestly don't imagine the state being done away with unless it dies via the vast debts it has accumulated and finally undergoing a super hyper-inflationary collapse coupled by the intellectual death that Stefan Molyneux has pointed out.
Maybe.
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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #364 on: May 24, 2010, 10:06:37 PM »
"So we are to trust individuals and the free-market or 'freedom' to prevent pockets of power from developing that can be exploited because a self interested people will stay informed.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree since you are liberal (as in free-market) and i'm more of realist."

"You trust a small monopoly group with armies and nukes and the power to counterfeit currency and you call yourself a realist?"--Stefan Molyneux, responding to the above.
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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #365 on: May 25, 2010, 02:50:41 PM »
Isn't his point #2 exactly what communists say?
Aaaaand...at the risk of getting flamed, that wouldn't make it false.
I mean, if that's what you're getting at.

As for how to change over to anarchy...
I dunno.
How did people change from monarchies to republics?
(Seriously. ^^; )

*EDIT*  Although it just occured to me that, because private property is the naturally arising relationship between human beings and material things (Austrian School) as opposed to communal sharing forced or otherwise (socialism), that that would partially invalid his point.

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« Last Edit: May 25, 2010, 04:22:57 PM by surhotchaperchlorome »
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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #366 on: May 25, 2010, 04:33:24 PM »
Oh, it's not false, I just think it might be about as realistic.

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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #367 on: May 25, 2010, 04:40:50 PM »
Oh, it's not false, I just think it might be about as realistic.

What might be as realistic?
Him and others toppling the US Government?
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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #368 on: May 25, 2010, 04:57:28 PM »
Oh yeah. Just wait till you see the ruskies mind controled giant squids sinking your warships off the coast of florida.

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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #369 on: May 25, 2010, 05:12:21 PM »
What might be as realistic?
Him and others toppling the US Government?

No, getting every single person on the planet to agree with a particular philosophy.

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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #370 on: May 25, 2010, 05:35:05 PM »
No, getting every single person on the planet to agree with a particular philosophy.
Very true.

Also, to make it so this thread doesn't stray to far off topic:

"Communism is a mistress that you later find out was a mister.  And no amount of showering can wash the shame away."--The Cloak
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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #371 on: May 25, 2010, 09:45:24 PM »

"Kyle, this is the way the world works. If you want to find some quality friends, you gotta wade through all the dicks first."
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« Reply #372 on: May 26, 2010, 01:24:11 AM »

"Communism is a mistress that you later find out was a mister.  And no amount of showering can wash the shame away."--The Cloak

Unless that sort of thing turn you on... Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #373 on: May 26, 2010, 11:57:40 AM »
Ludwig von Mises: "A society that chooses between capitalism and socialism does not choose between two social systems; it chooses between social cooperation and the disintegration of society. Socialism is not an alternative to capitalism; it is an alternative to any system under which men can live as human beings." - Human Action
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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #374 on: May 26, 2010, 11:59:54 AM »
"The Borg continue to live up to Q's remark about them, that they are a threat unlike any the federation has ever faced. They're coming not to conquer, but to consume. They cannot be negotiated with, and they cannot be stopped. They not only enslave, but take your very soul and turn you against any and all you hold dear. But perhaps the most infuriating part of all that, is that they actually think they're doing you a favor. They are a personification of that terrifying adage; 'We're from the government, and we're here to help you.'"

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