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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #4215 on: August 05, 2014, 06:29:19 PM »
http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/future-bayesian-bodybuilding-ii/
In the comments of the above, one I left.  Note that the "you" in this is referring to Menno:
"http://dynamicduotraining.com/ask-the-experts-round-table-discussions/18-nutrition-myths-want-know-allow-experts-tell/
Jacob M. Wilson's talk kind of annoyed me.

For one, the results for whey vs casein sounded suspiciously large and unidirectional.  This seemed a bit odd, especially when you've told people in the comments of your articles on this site that the main focus should be getting a complete animo acid profile, noting that evolution has made the body very efficient with proteins. Maybe it was in a different context?

"The final flaw of IIFYM, is that it doesn’t matter when you consume your macros, how they are distributed, or how many meals they are consumed over."
I thought that was a feature, not a bug,  IIFYM always struck me as an understandable reaction to all the food fear-mongering I've seen not just from gym goers, health nuts, and worried mothers; but even from doctors and dieticians and other health professionals.
That's not to say there's is not or cannot be more to food timing and the like than CRNT and IIFYM, but it just seems like some of the stuff he's presenting (especially with the whey protein) just strikes me as a bit in the too good to be true for whey.  Also, I wonder how it would compare to just good old fashioned whole milk.

The protein serving talk made me raise an eyebrow  According to your posts on the bodybuliding.com forums on your protein timing article, you can eat 1 meal of protein and do as well (or even better) as someone eating 4 or 8 meals of protein.  "Absolute meal frequency is irrelevant."--as you said in your protein timing article.  Did the studies Jacob present use better methodology and/or more representative groups or have greater statistical power than the ones you did?

As did the comments regarding timing of fat, etc, especially when in your CRPT article you noted: "You can skip breakfast without sacrificing gains to cortisol, absolute meal frequency is irrelevant, carbs and fats can be eaten at any time of day and you can go without food for a long time without losing muscle."  Same questions as above, better methodologies as in the previous studies?"

Yeah, I figured I'd be nicer...didn't want to sour relations with Menno.  He's been a very cool dude.
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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #4216 on: August 05, 2014, 06:43:18 PM »

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« Reply #4217 on: August 05, 2014, 07:27:11 PM »

I  wonder if we should invite him to the show? :3
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« Reply #4218 on: August 06, 2014, 12:49:21 AM »

gun controllers really seem to getting desperate recently, haven't they?

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« Reply #4220 on: August 07, 2014, 10:25:30 AM »
Whoopi Goldberg says something smart for once.
http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2014/08/whoopie-goldberg-says-bad-teachers-should-not-get-tenure-on-her-show-teacher-unions-go-crazy-video/

Of course they went crazy.  The purpose of unions is to protect the poorly performing workers in whatever workplace is unionized.  Workers who perform well don't need unions.

Then there's the fact that the only employee segment that retains strong unionization is government (here in Canada, our Federal civil service even has a union for the managers and professionals in the civil service).  Socialists insist that workers need unions and governments to protect them from bad employers, but the only workers who are particularly seeking union protection are those who work FOR governments...

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« Reply #4221 on: August 07, 2014, 11:37:16 AM »
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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #4222 on: August 07, 2014, 12:06:17 PM »

This promo is why I still love Pro Wrestling

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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #4223 on: August 07, 2014, 05:08:27 PM »
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #4224 on: August 07, 2014, 05:25:29 PM »
http://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/wiki/faq
I don't agree with everything perfectly, but most of it is spot on enough to merit a post here.
The deal maker for me was this bit:

Quote from: Fitness Wiki on Reddit
How can I avoid Starvation Mode?

Starvation mode is a myth that was popularized due to the Minnesota Starvation Experiment in which subjects were given 50% of their daily calorie intake for months. The result? Well, they lost weight until they had almost no weight left to lose and their bodies simply could not get the calories ANYWHERE. Concisely put: starvation mode happens when you are, quite literally, wasting away. Not when you have a simple caloric deficit. Your body will make up for it with fat stores. That's what they're for. Do not worry about starvation mode.

Dear OP:  Thank you.  If I had a dollar for every Armchair McExpert who has thrown "starvation/hibernation mode" at me, well, you get the idea.  Moral of the story, unless the person you're lecturing wouldn't look out of place in a picture of post WWII concentration camp victims, starvation mode is 100% irrelevant to them and your best course of action regarding this is to STFU with your so-called 'facts' you got from Yahoo News, Doctor Oz or a P90X/CrossFit commercial.

In even more detail on this topic, is Armi Legge from this article:  http://evidencemag.com/calories-count/
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Myth #5: Your metabolism slows when you cut calories, so cutting calories doesn’t work.

If this were true, starvation wouldn’t be possible.

As you lose weight, you burn fewer calories. This is going to happen on every diet, and it’s true for everyone.82,84,95,96 Except for extreme circumstances, however, this is almost never enough to completely stop weight loss.

In most cases, the drop in calorie burn is small, and only has a minor impact on your rate of weight loss.82

When obese people are forced to do hours of exercise and cut their calorie intake by 30%, they lost 123 pounds in 30 weeks. Their resting metabolic rates only dropped 504 calories per day over the normal drop caused by weighing less.97

In the Minnesota Starvation Study, people were forced to cut their calorie intake by 50% and walk 22 miles per week. After six months of straight dieting they lost 25% of their body weight. Their resting metabolic rates only dropped by about 225 calories per day. These people were also lean when they started dieting.98

There’s also no evidence that the decrease in your metabolic rate while dieting is enough to cause weight gain. It’s never happened in a single weight loss study in over 100 years. If it were going to, it would have happened by now.

Your metabolism drops slightly when you lose weight, but that’s the price you pay for fat loss. It happens to everyone, and it’s something you can minimize with the right behaviors. Calories still count.

Legge's sources beneath spoiler:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

In short, I do my homework.  All you Armchair McExperts are NOT going to bluff your way through this.
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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #4225 on: August 08, 2014, 04:12:23 PM »
Another good bit from Armi Legge's article: http://evidencemag.com/calories-count/
Quote from: Armi Legge
Myth #10: Cutting calories makes you hungry; therefore, it’s not effective in the long-term.

Eating less generally makes you want to eat more.

However, if you also choose more filling foods, you don’t necessarily have to be hungry while dieting. When people increase their protein intake, for instance, they usually eat several hundred calories less per day without even noticing.24,27,28,119-121 The same thing usually happens when people eat more fruits, vegetables, and fiber.122

In some cases, people still get hungry when they eat filling foods. Unfortunately, sometimes you have to suck it up. There’s no rule that says you can’t experience any hunger while dieting. Over time you generally adjust to your new body weight and your hunger levels drop.

Another thing to keep in mind is that your food intake is affected by many things that aren’t directly related to hunger.

    We eat more when food tastes good.
    We eat more out of bigger bowls.
    We eat more when we have more food choices.
    We eat more from highly palatable foods than from less palatable ones.
    We eat more out of wide containers rather than tall ones.
    We eat more when we’re bored.
    We eat because food is available.
    We eat more because the people are around us eat more.
    We eat more because we eat too fast.
    We eat more because we lose track of our calorie intake.
    We eat more because we’re distracted.

Exercise also tends to help people control their food intake, despite the fact that it may also create a calorie deficit.123,124

Unless you’re dieting to an extremely low body fat, you can generally manage your hunger levels with the right strategies.

Here’s your takeaway:

Eating less doesn’t always make you hungry.

Just because eating less sometimes does make you hungry, doesn’t mean you can lose weight without cutting calories.
It reminds me of David Wong's crap saying, "HUR DUR BEING OBESE CHANGES YOUR BODY!" No shit Sherlock, but it works the other way around.  Unless you're trying to get so lean you wouldn't look out of place in a picture of hyper starved fashion models and/or contest ready drug using bodybuilders, you're likely going to be just fine.

The sources under spoiler as usual:
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« Reply #4226 on: August 08, 2014, 07:27:35 PM »
Great review except in the beggining when he talks about "blithering idiots coming out of the woodwork accusing me of imaginary bias" when that's been a completely legitimate criticism of him before. No wonder Jim and Yahtzee are the only two likable assholes on escapist.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/9634-Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Kids-Deserved-Better-Than-This?fb_action_ids=855849381106146&fb_action_types=og.comments&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B616176408500774%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.comments%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D
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« Reply #4227 on: August 08, 2014, 10:30:10 PM »


Thanks to Hawkeye for sharing. :)
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Re: Fav quotes
« Reply #4228 on: August 08, 2014, 10:40:54 PM »
Great review except in the beggining when he talks about "blithering idiots coming out of the woodwork accusing me of imaginary bias" when that's been a completely legitimate criticism of him before. No wonder Jim and Yahtzee are the only two likable assholes on escapist.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/9634-Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Kids-Deserved-Better-Than-This?fb_action_ids=855849381106146&fb_action_types=og.comments&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B616176408500774%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.comments%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D

Thing is, you ONLY get to whip out the "nostalgia wanker" argument if the person compares the movie to the older material which Bob does not do at any point in the review so on this one, he's absolutely right.
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« Reply #4229 on: August 09, 2014, 09:26:05 PM »
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