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MADD/Prohibition/DUI laws/21 to drink
« on: July 13, 2009, 11:57:28 AM »
I've been involved with this for awhile, and I think this topic deserves it's own bogosity. This post isn't endorsing drinking and driving.

First off, to say MADD isn't a neo-prohibitionist organization is laughable. At one point, they tried to pass a law in my home state to have EVERY keg registered in a database and if your keg was found at a party with underage kids, you may be charged with a felony.

As for DUI laws themselves, it's ridiculous. At best, 60% of people can perform a field sobriety test WHEN SOBER. In addition, it's legally acceptable in my home state to have breathe tests that can be as much as .02 off. Just think about that then. A normal sized woman could have 2 beers at a bar and runs the risk of getting a DUI because of the machine.

And being 21 to drink, well, do I need to explain that?

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Re: MADD/Prohibition/DUI laws/21 to drink
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2009, 12:22:29 PM »
As for DUI laws themselves, it's ridiculous. At best, 60% of people can perform a field sobriety test WHEN SOBER.

I'd love to see a source for this.

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And being 21 to drink, well, do I need to explain that?

That's completely bogus, and I agree about MADD, too.

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Re: MADD/Prohibition/DUI laws/21 to drink
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2009, 01:30:57 PM »
I'd love to see a source for this.

http://www.drunkdrivingdefense.com/general/field-sobriety-evaluations-or-tests.htm

http://www.drunkdrivingdefense.com/general/report-on-nhtsa-standardized-field-tests-claims-made.htm

http://www.michbar.org/journal/article.cfm?articleID=882&volumeID=67

http://www.azduiatty.com/field-sobriety-tests-designed-for-failure.htm


http://www.themichigandrunkdrivinglawyer.com/the-controversy-over-roadside-field-sobriety-tests/
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In 1991, Clemson University conducted a study on the accuracy of FSTs. Police officers were shown videotapes of individuals performing six common FSTs and asked to determine whether they were too intoxicated to drive. The officers concluded that almost half of the people were too drunk to drive; however, unknown to the officers, none of them had consumed any alcohol.

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Re: MADD/Prohibition/DUI laws/21 to drink
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2009, 02:53:19 PM »
I'd love to see a source for this.

That's completely bogus, and I agree about MADD, too.
"I can fight for my country, but I can't drink!" :)

Reminds me of a debate in my school.  There was a bunch of statistics rattled off showing that when the drinking age is lowered, the number of deaths from drunk driving tends to increase.  I wish I could have remembered the sources though so I could see what, if any, controls were used...
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Re: MADD/Prohibition/DUI laws/21 to drink
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2009, 04:32:36 PM »
Over here you can drink with 18.

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Re: MADD/Prohibition/DUI laws/21 to drink
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2009, 07:33:42 PM »
If memory serves, the drinking age in Germany is 16, yes?
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Re: MADD/Prohibition/DUI laws/21 to drink
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2009, 12:38:47 PM »
I’m pretty sure it is 18, as I said above.

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Re: MADD/Prohibition/DUI laws/21 to drink
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2009, 01:24:56 PM »
Ooh, ok.
Tom, the correct word to use was "at" not "with".
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Re: MADD/Prohibition/DUI laws/21 to drink
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2009, 04:50:59 PM »
Okay, I checked and it turns out that you can drink beer and wine at 16 and hard liquor at 18.
I don’t drink either way, so it doesn’t matter to me.

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Re: MADD/Prohibition/DUI laws/21 to drink
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2009, 05:06:52 PM »
So my German teacher WAS right. :D

I don't drink either, so it doesn't matter to me either, I just thought it was a cool thing to know.
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Re: MADD/Prohibition/DUI laws/21 to drink
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2009, 06:25:29 PM »
So my German teacher WAS right. :D

Did your German teacher also tell you that Kennedy flubbed his speech?

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Re: MADD/Prohibition/DUI laws/21 to drink
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2009, 07:59:35 PM »
Yes.  She told us that Kennedy phrased it wrong.
Although you went into more detail and corrected us all on that.

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Re: MADD/Prohibition/DUI laws/21 to drink
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2009, 07:44:44 AM »
Yes.  She told us that Kennedy phrased it wrong.

Well, then she was not right in this respect. Strangely, many non-German German teachers make this mistake.

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Re: MADD/Prohibition/DUI laws/21 to drink
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2009, 12:09:21 PM »
I'd love to see a source for this.

That's completely bogus, and I agree about MADD, too.


I love it when I go to the store and MADD is out front asking for money. It takes no effort to piss those people off.

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Re: MADD/Prohibition/DUI laws/21 to drink
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2009, 02:20:33 PM »

I love it when I go to the store and MADD is out front asking for money. It takes no effort to piss those people off.
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