PZ Myers fail: "Maybe this will finally drive the libertarians out of atheism"

Started by BlameThe1st, December 29, 2013, 05:13:12 PM

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>there's no profit in atheism

So I guess they're giving away their merchandise in the shop for free then?

What a bunch of hypocrites.

Quote from: D on December 30, 2013, 09:12:25 AM
>there's no profit in atheism

So I guess they're giving away their merchandise in the shop for free then?

What a bunch of hypocrites.
They even have a shop with merchandise?  I honestly didn't know that.  And yeah, blood-sucking hypocrites the whole lot of them.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Quote from: dallen68 on December 29, 2013, 07:49:28 PM
Yes, they can be, but it's the content of those documents that make them evidence, not the fact they are documents.
Or who they are made by.  Basically he's just saying that "white papers are evidence, unless they're one of yours"  pathetic.  Two can play that game:  since academia gets money from govco, it is therefore biased against a free market, and is therefore propaganda and doesn't count.  Love showing his emperor of an argument for the naked and ugly thing that it is. X3
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Quote from: T dog on December 30, 2013, 09:38:20 AM
Or who they are made by.  Basically he's just saying that "white papers are evidence, unless they're one of yours"  pathetic.  Two can play that game:  since academia gets money from govco, it is therefore biased against a free market, and is therefore propaganda and doesn't count.  Love showing his emperor of an argument for the naked and ugly thing that it is. X3

Yeah, no matter how the evidence is presented, at some point you're going to have to evaluate that evidence. That judgement is going to come down to how credible you think that evidence is, which is always eventually going to come down to your opinion, which is hopefully based on prior knowledge, a familiarity with the source, etc. Part of the evaluation may very well be the medium or the source - but those things, in and of themselves, do not make it (good or bad) evidence. Come to think of it, the argument shouldn't even be: "Is this (whatever the argument happens to be) evidence?" (because it most certainly is) but "Is this good evidence?"

Quote from: Rob GrigjanisSallyStrange @64:
QuoteI'm not only for socialized medicine, but also for a guaranteed minimum income for all.
Yes! And gosh, there's even evidence that, contrary to knee-jerk conservative bleating, people wouldn't spend all their time drinking beer and watching telly.

Wow, do they REALLY think that's our problem with that?

Also, notice that the "evidence" that he cites is an experiment that the participants KNEW to be temporary.

Quote from: MrBogosity on December 30, 2013, 04:31:03 PM
Yes! And gosh, there's even evidence that, contrary to knee-jerk conservative bleating, people wouldn't spend all their time drinking beer and watching telly.

Wow, do they REALLY think that's our problem with that?

Also, notice that the "evidence" that he cites is an experiment that the participants KNEW to be temporary.

For some conservatives, that *is* the problem with that. They're not talking about libertarians here, where the problem is being forced to give the gift. They're talking about conservatives, who want to make sure that the recipients use the gift in a manner... Well, they want to control what people can and cannot buy.

Looks like we made Mr. PZ extremely butthurt: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/12/31/so-i-invented-a-new-law-the-other-day/

My "favorite" part has to be when he claimed that America is already a "libertarian paradise"!

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One comment summarizes the absurdity of that sentiment exactly:

Quote"The US is already a libertarian paradise"
*Bailouts
*FDIC
*Drug War
*Social Security
*Payroll Tax
*Medicare
*Medicaid
*Fiat money
*NASA
*NSA
*Afghanistan War

<sarcasm>How libertarian!</sarcasm>


No Sovereign but God. No King but Jesus. No Princess but Celestia.

Quote from: BlameThe1st on December 31, 2013, 02:18:22 PM
Looks like we made Mr. PZ extremely butthurt: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/12/31/so-i-invented-a-new-law-the-other-day/

My "favorite" part has to be when he claimed that America is already a "libertarian paradise"!

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One comment summarizes the absurdity of that sentiment exactly:
Did anyone else from this forum comment on the journal regarding libertarians and profit you first shared with us?

I would have posted more, but I honestly had my fill of that place.
And yeah, he *does*  know that we've had all 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto enacted in the USA to varying degrees right?  And according to Shane, all 28 Planks of the old U.S. Socialist Party.  Hardly Libertarian (or free market).  Well, unless he's one of those woos who thinks that "libertarianism really means socialism/communism, but you Americans stole it from us!" (a claim, which, even if it is true--online etymology dictionary is your friend, people!--would still be an appeal to etymology)
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Quote from: BlameThe1st on December 31, 2013, 02:18:22 PM
Looks like we made Mr. PZ extremely butthurt: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/12/31/so-i-invented-a-new-law-the-other-day/

And fail like this: "The other thing these libertarians did, so predictably and at least a little more productively, is try to tout the virtues of their political philosophy. "Freedom, no initiation of force, no corporate welfare, no censorship, no drug war, peace...no initiation of force, individual liberty, live and let live, no corporate welfare, no drug war, etc." Yes? So? Those are things progressive liberals are all for, too, and we do it without the destructive baggage of unfettered capitalism, which they all neatly leave off their laundry list." Um, "unfettered capitalism" IS the non-initiation of force and live and let live! The only way to fetter capitalism is to USE force!

I would post that, if I weren't BLOCKED...

QuoteThe US is already a libertarian paradise

And then he says we "cheer it on." WHAT???

Quote from: MrBogosity on December 31, 2013, 02:42:21 PM
And fail like this: "The other thing these libertarians did, so predictably and at least a little more productively, is try to tout the virtues of their political philosophy. "Freedom, no initiation of force, no corporate welfare, no censorship, no drug war, peace...no initiation of force, individual liberty, live and let live, no corporate welfare, no drug war, etc." Yes? So? Those are things progressive liberals are all for, too, and we do it without the destructive baggage of unfettered capitalism, which they all neatly leave off their laundry list." Um, "unfettered capitalism" IS the non-initiation of force and live and let live! The only way to fetter capitalism is to USE force!

I would post that, if I weren't BLOCKED...

And then he says we "cheer it on." WHAT???

I'm starting to think we may have found our Idiot of the Year.

Quote from: D on December 31, 2013, 02:44:56 PM
I'm starting to think we may have found our Idiot of the Year.
Seconded.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Quote from: D on December 31, 2013, 02:44:56 PM
I'm starting to think we may have found our Idiot of the Year.

Unfortunately, I've already got the podcast in the can...

(Besides, the one I actually picked is still worse!)

Quote from: MrBogosity on December 31, 2013, 02:42:21 PM
And fail like this: "The other thing these libertarians did, so predictably and at least a little more productively, is try to tout the virtues of their political philosophy. "Freedom, no initiation of force, no corporate welfare, no censorship, no drug war, peace...no initiation of force, individual liberty, live and let live, no corporate welfare, no drug war, etc." Yes? So? Those are things progressive liberals are all for, too, and we do it without the destructive baggage of unfettered capitalism, which they all neatly leave off their laundry list." Um, "unfettered capitalism" IS the non-initiation of force and live and let live! The only way to fetter capitalism is to USE force!

I would post that, if I weren't BLOCKED...

And then he says we "cheer it on." WHAT???

*deep breath*
Okay, I'm only doing this because I feel I owe you for all the times you've helped me in getting information, with debates and stuff.  I went and posted this on the blog entry:

Quote from: TDogAnd fail like this: "The other thing these libertarians did, so predictably and at least a little more productively, is try to tout the virtues of their political philosophy. "Freedom, no initiation of force, no corporate welfare, no censorship, no drug war, peace...no initiation of force, individual liberty, live and let live, no corporate welfare, no drug war, etc." Yes? So? Those are things progressive liberals are all for, too, and we do it without the destructive baggage of unfettered capitalism, which they all neatly leave off their laundry list."

Um, "unfettered capitalism" IS the non-initiation of force and live and let live! The only way to fetter capitalism is to USE force!  Just once it'd be nice to see a statist who knows their definitions.
And really?  You believe that?  Okay.  Say I don't want to fund something you want me to (yes, even science funding via the state) and would rather spend it on something else.  Are you going to stop me?
If yes, you're a free market person and even an anarcho capitalist and libertarian.
If not, then grats, you do believe in the initiation of force.  Simple, no?
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Quote from: T dog on December 31, 2013, 02:54:44 PM
*deep breath*
Okay, I'm only doing this because I feel I owe you for all the times you've helped me in getting information, with debates and stuff.  I went and posted this on the blog entry:
/sigh
I had to add this addendum: 
*If no, you're a free market person and even an anarcho capitalist and libertarian.
If yet, then grats, you do believe in the initiation of force. Simple, no?
Damn bogons.

and then add a 3rd comment: *yes, not 'yet'.

Damn bogons...making me look bad.  Oh well, can't blame a guy for trying, eh?  I'm surprised they haven't blocked me too.

bloody hell, I posted it on the wrong blog entry too (posted it on the original one.) Goddamnit.  Gonna post it on the other one too (against my better judgement).
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Okay, last post, this time to the "So I invented a new law the other day" blog entry:

Quote from: TDogAnd fail like this: "The other thing these libertarians did, so predictably and at least a little more productively, is try to tout the virtues of their political philosophy. "Freedom, no initiation of force, no corporate welfare, no censorship, no drug war, peace...no initiation of force, individual liberty, live and let live, no corporate welfare, no drug war, etc." Yes? So? Those are things progressive liberals are all for, too, and we do it without the destructive baggage of unfettered capitalism, which they all neatly leave off their laundry list."

Um, "unfettered capitalism" IS the non-initiation of force and live and let live! The only way to fetter capitalism is to USE force!

Just once it'd be nice to see a statist who knows their definitions.
And really?  You don't believe in the initiation of force?  Okay.  Say I don't want to fund something you want me to (yes, even science funding via the state--no sacred cows please. :P) and would rather spend my own money on something else.  Are you going to stop me?  By force if necessary?
If not, you're a free market libertarian too.
If yes, grats, you do believe in the initiation of force.  Simple, no?

Stick a fork in me, I'm done. @.@
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537