The Black Market for Firearms

[Skm1091]

This aspect of gun control is rarely discussed, so I thought it would be a good idea to put it out here. That topic would be the illicit manufacture, or gunsmithing of black market firearms. If gun control was passed many arms manufacturing companies in the US would go out of business, many of them produce guns almost exclusively for civilian market. One such example would be STI International. With many talented gun designers and gun makers out of work, there is a big possibility that they could start making copies of firearms for the underground market. Think it is not possible? Think again. It has already happened in the Philippines. In fact many of the guns made by underground gunsmiths in the Philippines end up in the hands of the Japanese Yakuza, Chinese Triads, and other criminal elements in east asia.

Read these for more info

http://kitup.military.com/2011/10/the-home-brewed-danao-guns-of-the-philippines.html

http://www.dausa.org/2007/04/24/boboy-and-danao%E2%80%99s-thunder-things/
 
http://www.photoblog.com/undergroundpix/2008/05/28/

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/asia/south_east_asia/AJ201112270001n

You think that is impressive you should see the illegal arms manufacturing going on in Pakistan. Where they can make fully automatic, Kalashnikovs, H&Ks, m16s, and Even Russian RPGs and US stinger missiles.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5066860.stm

http://www.worldpress.org/Asia/2942.cfm#down

http://tribune.com.pk/story/458310/the-legendary-gunsmiths-of-darra-adam-khel/

http://tribune.com.pk/story/423534/illegal-arms-k-p-home-department-to-crackdown-on-dormant-factories/

http://newagerants.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/darra-adam-khel-the-coolest-place-on-earth-7/

SO any opinions or comments on here. How do you think it will work in the US?

[Skm1091]

  No replies anyone?

[MrBogosity]

None from me, other than thanks for the info.

[Skm1091]

 Your welcome Shane.

[MrBogosity]

Your welcome Shane.

Aww, now I'm going to have to do this:

[Skm1091]

Whoops

[Skm1091]

Apparently India is also making illegal weapons. Mainly single shot pistols. These are not as fancy as the ones in the Philippines or Pakistan but they have been used in murders.  The criminal here also has an advantage because you can destroy the weapon thus destroying the evidence and they can get another one because it's very cheap. They cost about 1000-1500 rupees each, which is a about 20-30 US dollars.

[Ibrahim90]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMfxM0diG28

Apparently India is also making illegal weapons. Mainly single shot pistols. These are not as fancy as the ones in the Philippines or Pakistan but they have been used in murders.  The criminal here also has an advantage because you can destroy the weapon thus destroying the evidence and they can get another one because it's very cheap. They cost about 1000-1500 rupees each, which is a about 20-30 US dollars.

remind me to get one for Obama someday.

[Skm1091]

Or maybe this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C5%82yskawica_submachine_gun

 

[Ibrahim90]

Or maybe this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C5%82yskawica_submachine_gun

 

I can see this going into Palestinian hands. might not drive the Israelis out, but it may help keep what we have left, should enough be made for refugees or townsfolk. could use field strip simplification: clearly held together with screws and threads, rather than the typical methods of the time (or today), and would take forever for a person with little understanding of the niceties of weapon maintenance.

[Skm1091]

I can see this going into Palestinian hands. might not drive the Israelis out, but it may help keep what we have left, should enough be made for refugees or townsfolk. could use field strip simplification: clearly held together with screws and threads, rather than the typical methods of the time (or today), and would take forever for a person with little understanding of the niceties of weapon maintenance.

You're Palestinian?

[Skm1091]

I found another gold mine

http://improguns.blogspot.com/

[Ibrahim90]

You're Palestinian?

On my dad's side, yes. he's originally from Hebron. Mom's American. so half and half I guess...naturally, I have a vested interest in seeing my people well armed and ready to defend themselves.

EDIT: there is the caveat that Hamas shouldn't get this: only non Hamas regions (i.e. the West Bank). Hamas sucks at weapons manufacture (e.g. their shitty rockets). besides, they're genocidal in intent: I don't want my people to be treated like the Germans were.

[Skm1091]

On my dad's side, yes. he's originally from Hebron. Mom's American. so half and half I guess...naturally, I have a vested interest in seeing my people well armed and ready to defend themselves.

EDIT: there is the caveat that Hamas shouldn't get this: only non Hamas regions (i.e. the West Bank). Hamas sucks at weapons manufacture (e.g. their shitty rockets). besides, they're genocidal in intent: I don't want my people to be treated like the Germans were.

So you don't like Hamas eh?

[Ibrahim90]

So you don't like Hamas eh?

no, I don't. Not because they're religious fanatics--that's incidental (or causative: sometimes I wonder if they were insane before they subbed to Hamas ideology). Their genocidal tendencies also don't endear them to me.

it's also because of their propensity of getting Palestinians killed at rates unseen since 1948....by giving the Israelis the excuse to rocket the ever loving shit out of Gaza, they're in many ways worse. the one thing going for them is that they aren't corrupt, but then, the insane rarely are.

but as we live in a crazy world, they won the 2006 legislative seats, and caused Gaza to split off from West bank.

don't like Fatah either (who are socialistic, and corrupt as hell)--so neither major party is much good*. And in case you're wondering, the other parties are staffed by communists or socialists (and they're a substantial minority: 8-15% of the seats)--and I don't mean the half-assed types you find in Europe. if there's one thing we really don't have, it's subtlety.

the only thing they have in common is that they all hate Israel (hatred of Jews themselves varies from mild to well past NAZI levels), and have a nationalist bend to them.

and no, there is no Libertarian party or organization there, and frankly, considering the social attitudes, it would have less luck than it does in the US, or Germany...or Russia. I'd start it, but, I'd be dead within a week, and to no advantage. If I'm to be killed, might as well not be in vain.

speaking of which, that's what the situation reminds me of: Russia in 1917: defeated, hungry, with shitty government, and lots of reds. wouldn't be shocked if it wound up the same way.

*assuming I had no choice at all, I'd go with Fatah--reluctantly. As I haven't been hit on the head enough times and do have a choice, they can lick my ass.