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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2013, 12:50:19 AM »
quite a strange looking firearm...Hardly surprised this was in Columbia: the drug war is at its worst there and Mexico: we get the runoff..
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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2013, 01:02:51 AM »
I have to ask with nations like this down south of the US border what the hell makes people think that gun control will work here.

I mean the authorities in those countries can not even keep track of their police and military armories. Not to mention corrupt elements get in to these places. 
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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #48 on: August 19, 2013, 05:19:57 PM »
I have to ask with nations like this down south of the US border what the hell makes people think that gun control will work here.

I mean the authorities in those countries can not even keep track of their police and military armories. Not to mention corrupt elements get in to these places.

The authorities in the US can't keep track of their police and military armories, and the US doesn't have nearly the corruption problems that some countries in South America do.

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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #49 on: August 19, 2013, 06:12:12 PM »
The authorities in the US can't keep track of their police and military armories, and the US doesn't have nearly the corruption problems that some countries in South America do.

Do have any numbers on how many guns are stolen from armories per year?

I did find these articles.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/30/california.stolen.firearms/index.html

http://laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=373911&CategoryId=14092

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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2013, 08:29:46 AM »
Do have any numbers on how many guns are stolen from armories per year?

I did find these articles.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/30/california.stolen.firearms/index.html

http://laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=373911&CategoryId=14092

The only statistics I've ever seen for this (which would be nearly 20 years old now) claims that thefts from police and military armories (almost all by corrupt police and soldiers) are comparable to thefts from private individuals and straw sales in terms of the supply of illegal guns used in crime in the US.  When I did a quick search, I found a report of hundreds of firearms being stolen from government armories in the UK as well, where that's pretty much the only possible domestic source of illegal guns, and similar reports in other countries (including a report of a vast number of long guns transferred from the US military to US police forces having disappeared), but not anything in terms of recent statistics.

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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2013, 03:53:36 PM »
The only statistics I've ever seen for this (which would be nearly 20 years old now) claims that thefts from police and military armories (almost all by corrupt police and soldiers) are comparable to thefts from private individuals and straw sales in terms of the supply of illegal guns used in crime in the US.  When I did a quick search, I found a report of hundreds of firearms being stolen from government armories in the UK as well, where that's pretty much the only possible domestic source of illegal guns, and similar reports in other countries (including a report of a vast number of long guns transferred from the US military to US police forces having disappeared), but not anything in terms of recent statistics.

There are street gang members that are entering the armed forces.

I guess some of them got access to the armories.

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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2013, 05:12:50 PM »
There are street gang members that are entering the armed forces.

I guess some of them got access to the armories.

That was the point of one of the articles I came up with as well.

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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #53 on: September 10, 2013, 02:58:03 PM »
An Ar-15 pattern sub-machine gun

M1911 .45 caliber pistols


All made by the Philippines Backyard Gunsmiths

(see vids bellow)

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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #54 on: September 10, 2013, 06:45:39 PM »
This article gives us a hint how the DIY gunmakers in the philippines make the barrels of their guns. I have to tell you this article was not easy to find.

http://wall.eila.univ-paris-diderot.fr/dyn/txt/Herald94/0/5910443

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The barrels had been fashioned out of thick steel pins from a junked bulldozer, crafted into working chrome-plated handguns by Filipino employees and finally engraved with U.S. markings.

I also found this Google Group

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.filipino/OJFDmM1oZHA
 
with one of the users by the name of Isip Bata giving a hint of this

This User says

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Paltiks made in Danao are at par or even excels over the
original equipment produced abroad. An example is the
.45 ACP or M-1911-A1, whose barrel is machine-worked from the steel link
pins of a CAT bulldozer. Definitely better
than a Bar-Sto barrel anytime

I think them being better then a gun made in a Smith & Wesson plant is a bit of a stretch though

(M1911 barrels)
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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2013, 06:32:10 PM »
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=363736&CategoryId=14091

South African Weapons found in Mexican Narco Traffickers' Arsenals

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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2013, 10:42:37 PM »