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Economic Strawmen: Capitalism, Socialism and Corportism

Started by Travis Retriever, April 13, 2009, 04:05:37 PM

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April 13, 2009, 04:05:37 PM Last Edit: April 15, 2010, 07:53:52 PM by surhotchaperchlorome
A common lie told is that the USSR was "capitalist" because of who was controlling the means of production (the bosses, or government, instead of by the workers).
This is inspired by the comments on the CATO Institute's video about Obama's UHC plan by some guy who I'd swear leaked more Bogosity than all of Congress, less substance than Michael Moore, and more insults than...someone who does huge amounts of insults.

What are the thoughts about this?

I'm tired of these bogus commies and Anarcho-closet commies using the no true Scotsman fallacy to prove their point.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
April 13, 2009, 04:11:49 PM #1
I'd never heard the claim that the USSR was capitalist until recently. It's very strange! You have to wonder how ignorant people can be to believe this stuff?

It's just like I've always maintained: political dogmas can be as bad as or even worse than religious dogmas!
April 13, 2009, 06:25:10 PM #2
Yeah.
I can't remember exactly what the justification was (I posted it on your profile, along with ACCURATE definitions of what capitalism and socialism are).
Basically the claim is that because the means of production (capital) is controlled by the rich (or higher class than said workers), the Soviet Union was, in fact, capitalist.
Which is really just saying that because the people in control were granted desired, unavoidable social status, that the USSR is capitalist.
<sarcasm>And Stalin was both a good man and an evil man.</sarcasm>

Another strange claim I would get from the Anarchists (bless their *little* bogus brains), is that when an Anarchist society coersises a person out of them, or when the first human hunter-gather soceities (which they claim to be Anarchist) would establish rules and punish those who didn't follow them, it WASN'T the same as government (yah, rite).
As the picture says:  It's not fascism when WE do it. :P
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
April 14, 2009, 12:44:31 AM #3 Last Edit: September 03, 2009, 12:39:50 AM by surhotchaperchlorome
Another bogus argument defending the stupidly high taxes of the EU nations made by an "anarchist":
(In response to saying that capitalism is about free will and socialism is about government coercion):
"Then if I live their and pay my taxes out of my own free choice, Sweden is a capitalist nation."
*facepalm*
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
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