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Tom S. Fox

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Having the same rights as everybody else is like trespassing!
« on: December 28, 2008, 06:21:59 AM »
Thatís at least the way I have to interprete this comic:



Hey, Shane, maybe you could make an episode on homophobia.

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Re: Having the same rights as everybody else is like trespassing!
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2008, 08:20:14 AM »
Thatís at least the way I have to interprete this comic:



Hey, Shane, maybe you could make an episode on homophobia.

take that to the future episodes section

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Re: Having the same rights as everybody else is like trespassing!
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2008, 09:11:27 AM »
Moved.

There's a lot of potential for bogosity episodes here: not just homophobia, but the fact that government's involved in marriage AT ALL. Also, the cartoon reminds me of my standard response to Socialists who say that we don't own anything: so, you wouldn't mind if I just came and took your TV? After all, it's not yours; we don't own anything!

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Re: Having the same rights as everybody else is like trespassing!
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2008, 11:56:33 AM »
There's a lot of potential for bogosity episodes here: not just homophobia, but the fact that government's involved in marriage AT ALL.

Well, who should organize this whole marriage thing?

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Re: Having the same rights as everybody else is like trespassing!
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2008, 02:26:13 PM »
Shane did a video on this subject a while back:


In my opinion, homophobia and government intervention are really two different subjects. I guess the point is that homosexual couples want to get married and have their marriage recognized by the state, but the state/government should not be involved in marriage at all. Thus making gay rights issues moot.

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Re: Having the same rights as everybody else is like trespassing!
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2008, 05:06:40 PM »
Well, who should organize this whole marriage thing?

The individuals who get married, their family and friends, etc.

We didn't have marriage licenses in the US until the mid-19th century, and that was only to keep free blacks from marrying whites.

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Re: Having the same rights as everybody else is like trespassing!
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2008, 05:23:31 PM »
Okay, but what makes marriage offical, then?

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Re: Having the same rights as everybody else is like trespassing!
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2008, 05:27:43 PM »
Okay, but what makes marriage offical, then?

you can cohabit

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Re: Having the same rights as everybody else is like trespassing!
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2008, 06:44:26 PM »
Okay, but what makes marriage offical, then?

Why does it need to be "official"?

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Re: Having the same rights as everybody else is like trespassing!
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2009, 10:25:52 PM »
Why does it need to be "official"?

That's exactly the point, though. There's no point in "marriage" if it's not "official." Otherwise, I could just claim I'm "married" to someone. I kind of do think it's a good thing that the governement is involved with marriage, as it does provide certain benefits. It also "officially" makes the two people a couple, and you can get "proof" of this marriage.

Having "unofficial" marriages kind of makes the whole point of marriage irrelevant. Therefore, going by that logic... the same-sex couples are just fine, and there shouldn't be any "anti same sex marriage" laws. The same sex couples would be at your point of view already, and the government would have to be the ones to change it so they're no longer involved. So, that's kind of backwards.

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Re: Having the same rights as everybody else is like trespassing!
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2009, 10:41:21 PM »
There's no point in "marriage" if it's not "official." Otherwise, I could just claim I'm "married" to someone.

If the other person agrees, and you're both sincere, how would you not be?

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I kind of do think it's a good thing that the governement is involved with marriage,

Yeah, not like the old outdated way of making it an issue for families and communities. Far better to have a government marriage system so that women can turn into property and blacks can't marry whites...

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It also "officially" makes the two people a couple, and you can get "proof" of this marriage.

Again, what's the point?

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Re: Having the same rights as everybody else is like trespassing!
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2009, 11:56:40 PM »
In my opinion, there is really no point to marriage at all becuase a) the state should not be involved and b) if you are an atheist, there is not point in looking good to God.

Yeah, not like the old outdated way of making it an issue for families and communities.

Not sure what you mean by making an issue for the community. What is that supposed to mean?

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Re: Having the same rights as everybody else is like trespassing!
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2009, 12:45:39 AM »
Basically, you're married if everybody recognizes that you're married. At least, everybody important to you in your daily life.

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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2009, 10:11:19 PM »
But you forget one of the best things about 'official' marriage, at least in Texas, that everything that is the husbands is 50% the wife's and vise versa.  Meaning filing for injured spouse on taxes gets us back half of his income tax rebate. lol

My husband and I were married by the justice of the peace where no mention of God was heard.

But all in all, I think Homosexual Couples should have equal rights when it comes to the whole marriage thing.  I understand that they want the state and federal governments to acknowledge that their spouse will get their social security after they die, be covered by spousal benefits, and get deductions on their taxes. 

After all the government made marriage a state issue and last time I check there was a separation of church and state, there fore Religion should have NO say in the matter.