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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7950 on: April 02, 2017, 02:41:55 PM »
http://travisretriever.deviantart.com/journal/PSA-on-Communism-and-Fascism-672088185
The comments left by the edgelord on this.* As I said in a reply to him, as soon as they start calling you a beta, a cuck, a degenerate, autistic, etc means you win the debate.  Much like Godwin's Law.

What little else I did read was of him saying the Labor Theory of Value has been shown to be more accurate than the economic calculation problem/price mechanism.  Yeah.


The fact that Venezuela, the old USSR, Nazi Germany, hell every single socialist state ever has failed should be more than enough to show that's bogus, so without even looking at his links, we can declare bogosity.  If he's THAT big a sophist to deny basic reality, then there is nothing to be gained from 'debating' him, even in public.

Now, he *did* violate my rules first for using bigoted anti-ASD statements in his first post.  And for being a pedantic, overly verbose, word smithing asshole--Which I warned about on the comment he was replying to, so he has no excuse.  And if I do decide to block & delete his comments it will be no one's fault but his own.  His first paragraph of his first reply is nothing but playing the victim card and threats to be a self righteous peacock.  Pathetic.

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*If anyone wants to see the comment thread, send me a request over Skype or whatever and I'll send you the screencaps.  I don't want that kind of sophistry polluting my page.  Especially when it breaks two of my most important rules.  Both of them have entertained me enough.
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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7951 on: April 10, 2017, 01:10:45 AM »
https://www.facebook.com/beingalibertarian/photos/a.256552551217454.1073741829.246976735508369/634335716772467/?type=3&theater
The war apologist comments are beyond painful.  Even worse is how many likes they're getting.  What the fuck?
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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7952 on: April 11, 2017, 08:40:50 AM »
https://www.facebook.com/beingalibertarian/photos/a.256552551217454.1073741829.246976735508369/634335716772467/?type=3&theater
The war apologist comments are beyond painful.  Even worse is how many likes they're getting.  What the fuck?

Yeah, I like how they're all like, "We're only against unnecessary wars" or "unjust wars." But what does that mean? And who decides when a war is just or necessary?

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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7953 on: April 11, 2017, 04:32:12 PM »
Yeah, I like how they're all like, "We're only against unnecessary wars" or "unjust wars." But what does that mean? And who decides when a war is just or necessary?

Well, it seems pretty obvious that all wars are going to be unjust from at least one side.  Somebody has to start them.

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« Reply #7954 on: April 11, 2017, 11:42:18 PM »
That's the problem people have grappled with for centuries, all over the world. One side starts/provokes the war, so obviously they're in the wrong. But  what of the other side? Are they unjust merely by fighting? If not, should they content themselves with merely repelling the invasion? should they carry the fight to the enemy? what constitutes what in Arabic is called "i'tidaa'"--to exceed what is necessary and just? And as you note, Shane, what is "just" in this case?

We've had to grapple with the problem in the Near East since at least the Bronze Age, and we've yet to find a (near)perfect answer. Even religious and legal scholars in the middle ages couldn't agree: the Shafi'is traditionally believed it was just to fight a country simply because it is ruled by an infidel/unjust regime (an attitude not too different from neo-cons in reasoning. Just replace Sunni Islam with Democracy).

Others believed there had to be some serious violation of what passed in those days for international law (killing an emissary, piracy/privateering, invading your soil, etc). While this is more noble in theory, it can easily be seized by a clever sultan to justify aggrandizement. For example Suleiman I used the humiliation of an emissary are an excuse to attack Hungary in the 16th century. Perfectly legal, but what Suleiman I did as a result wasn't necessary, and in the long run might have made the Ottomans more vulnerable. This was by dragging in the Hapsburgs into the war (they had a claimant for the Hungarian throne, whereas the Ottomans, after killing the Hungarian King at Mohacs, wanted another candidate: wisdom would have recommended leaving the Hungarians to fuck themselves over--they were already doing a good job of that prior to Mohacs; the Austrians would have taken a long time to sort out the mess--Austria was historically pretty bad at this sort of thing...).

The only conclusion I can come to myself on the subject is that there is no such thing as a truly just war; only necessary ones*. And those should involve defense of home and hearth. This may or may not entail taking the fight to the enemy, but it's hard to tell (if not impossible) when you should or shouldn't.

* to not resist is either to allow occupation: sometimes that may be acceptable, but sometimes it's not (e.g. when dealing with ISIL).
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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7955 on: April 13, 2017, 11:14:43 PM »
Now, the show itself isn't fail, buy what he's talking about is:


So apparently, the media in Egypt suggests the people take an "economic injection", must endure taxes.

And in a scene all too similar to what is going on in Venezuela, the lack of food as spun as a "healthful diet"....That and they're blaming people for the government's ills...and that if they are "too lazy", they deserve to starve to death.

Oh, and the economy is, according to some of them, bad simply as a conspiracy to get al-sisi ousted in 2018's election...
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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7956 on: April 28, 2017, 08:41:24 AM »
Hey, look!


It appears a small child has decided to try and rewrite history to conform to novels put out by the CCP and challenge China Uncensored with the result!

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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7957 on: May 12, 2017, 09:00:22 PM »

You know, it's bad enough we have statists who slander libertarians as "fascists", but now we have actual libertarians coming out as fascists and fascist-sympathizers. I'm embarrassed.

Can we get Lord Killian to rip this video a new one?


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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7958 on: May 13, 2017, 02:19:31 PM »

You know, it's bad enough we have statists who slander libertarians as "fascists", but now we have actual libertarians coming out as fascists and fascist-sympathizers. I'm embarrassed.

Can we get Lord Killian to rip this video a new one?
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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7959 on: May 26, 2017, 03:58:35 PM »
OK, this one takes some thinking about or some specific historical knowledge:


This is actually a very undesirable quality for a vehicle that operates at the kind of speeds of a typical passenger vehicle.  In the 19th century, sleighs were really quiet as well, and they killed kind of a lot of people until bells were added to the harnesses (the origin of jingle bells) to reduce the chance that a distracted pedestrian would carelessly walk out into the street in front of one.  I think we've just not had a problem with the danger of quiet, fast vehicles that people aren't thinking about this.

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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7960 on: May 29, 2017, 07:47:05 AM »
OK, this one takes some thinking about or some specific historical knowledge:


This is actually a very undesirable quality for a vehicle that operates at the kind of speeds of a typical passenger vehicle.  In the 19th century, sleighs were really quiet as well, and they killed kind of a lot of people until bells were added to the harnesses (the origin of jingle bells) to reduce the chance that a distracted pedestrian would carelessly walk out into the street in front of one.  I think we've just not had a problem with the danger of quiet, fast vehicles that people aren't thinking about this.

I would hope by now people would have learned to look before crossing the road and not rely on sound. The problem with sleighs was they weren't driven on roads, and so you'd never know where you'd encounter one.

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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7961 on: May 29, 2017, 12:07:54 PM »
I would hope by now people would have learned to look before crossing the road and not rely on sound. The problem with sleighs was they weren't driven on roads, and so you'd never know where you'd encounter one.

The real problem was in cities, where both sleighs and people had to walk along streets.  Sleighs weren't terribly common, since only a substantial business or a fairly rich person could afford the upkeep of horses.  If you weren't paying attention, it was easy enough to not notice one coming.  The problem of distraction is probably worse now than then, as we have so many more distractions (which includes some that tend to block out sound as well).

Distraction to the point of nearly getting yourself killed hasn't ever gone away.  I recall my late father telling me that in 1944 or 1945 he almost stepped out in front of a streetcar.

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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7962 on: June 23, 2017, 12:55:16 PM »
The Kids are Socialists Because Capitalism is Dickslapping the Planet


Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, for your viewing displeasure, the single worst thing I read this week. (And I've read an article about a couple who claims they can survive without food and water!)

There is so much wrong in this socialist diatribe that I'm not sure where to begin but the beginning:

Capitalism doesn’t have a plan, you know. It only goes in one direction and it doesn’t care what you want.

No. By it's very nature, capitalism needs to care about what you want because it's about exchanging goods and services. If a business doesn't give customers what they want, it goes out of business.

The most advanced capitalist states are literally at the stage of collapse and yet we deny that perhaps the problem is capitalism.

Things may be bad, but they're not that bad. The world is not falling apart. Everything from violent crime to armed conflicts to worldwide poverty has been on the rapid decline for decades.

Capitalism is a system that we can prove with any science is fucking the planet and yet the rich can convince most this is progress.

The planet may have problems, but overall, the environment have been improving.

Capitalism not only eats babies, it makes sure those babies suffer horrific and needless deaths first because suffering is less costly than care.

I'm assuming she's referring to the infant mortality rate and how America allegedly has the worst in the world. This simply isn't true. The only reason our rate is higher than other countries is because we count stillborn deaths as infant deaths. If we didn't, our rates would be comparable to other developed countries.

Capitalism wants your parents to die long, drawn-out, painful deaths from preventable diseases because managing slow, painful death is a hugely profitable enterprise employing tens of thousands of people.

Fewer people are dying from preventable diseases now more than ever. Most leading causes of death in America such as heart disease, cancer, stroke, diabetes, and accidents have seen a major drop within the past 40+ years. If anything, Americans are living longer and healthier lives.

Capitalism is why there are six empty houses in this country for every homeless person but thousands still freeze to death.

No. That's because of the government-created housing bubble. Mises broke this down in four easy steps:

1. The Federal Reserve cut interest rates to as low as 1% so that after inflation we had negative interest rates.

2. As a result, mortgage rates fell to an all time low.

3. Low rates caused borrowing and lending to explode, particularly in real estate. For example, commercial banks more than doubled the amount of real-estate loans they made.

4. All these low interest loans had to be extended to people with worse credit ratings and this increased the demand for homes and other real-estate assets. It should not be surprising that home prices skyrocketed. Click on the link below to the Real Estate Roller Coaster:

Capitalism is why we waste 40 percent of our food while children die of starvation.

No. That's because government regulation makes it costly and cumbersome for super markets and other businesses to donate their food, and thus they throw it all away instead.

Capitalism is why 200 species went extinct today.

First, I call bullshit on that statistic because global extinction rate estimates vary so wildly. Plus if that stat were true, then the entire planet would be dead in a single year.

Just today, it was announced that the Yellowstone Grizzly Bear was removed from the endangered species list. The past decade alone has seen many animals removed from the list: humpback whales, giant pandas, manatees, and tigers, just to name a few.

Capitalism is why we’re all going to war for oil under the North Pole.

Most experts agree that both electric cars and cheap renewable energy sources will cause fossil fuel growth to halt worldwide by 2020. As solar and wind energy costs decrease, fossil fuel and coal consumption is going to decrease likewise. The free market seems to be pushing that transition just fine.

Capitalism is why your kid is going to die in a water riot.

Excuse me? Have you seen Venezuela? That socialist country is literally on the brink of collapse due to shortages of all kinds ranging from food and water to electricity.

Capitalism is the state religion of sociopaths.

No. Statism is the state religion of sociopaths.

If your kid is a Socialist, at least you raised a kid with a fucking heart. If you’re not a Socialist, I don’t even know where to start.

I'm not socialist because I know what Venezuela is. I doubt this stupid woman can find it on a map.


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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7963 on: July 12, 2017, 01:50:17 PM »
I hadn't heard of this "Tariq Nasheed" until someone pointed him out on my Twitter feed. Apparently he's some sort of anti-white supremacist/black supremacist or somesuch who's decided to create a website to track suspected white supremacists (9_9), but the fail in question surrounds the logo for this website, which... well, take a look.



Tariq is so adamant that his logo is not a swastika that he's trying to hide it, deleting his tweet advertising the website as well as shutting the website down, at least for the time being. Of course, this has led to said tweet and logo getting re-posted by others multiple times in a clear example of the Streisand Effect. Doesn't help that he's notably silent when anyone asks what his logo looks like.

On a personal note, there were enough people who thought it was meant to be a swastika for the ironic value that I think he would've had an easier time claiming that was his intention all along.
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« Reply #7964 on: July 12, 2017, 02:47:22 PM »
I hadn't heard of this "Tariq Nasheed" until someone pointed him out on my Twitter feed. Apparently he's some sort of anti-white supremacist/black supremacist or somesuch who's decided to create a website to track suspected white supremacists (9_9), but the fail in question surrounds the logo for this website, which... well, take a look.



Tariq is so adamant that his logo is not a swastika that he's trying to hide it, deleting his tweet advertising the website as well as shutting the website down, at least for the time being. Of course, this has led to said tweet and logo getting re-posted by others multiple times in a clear example of the Streisand Effect. Doesn't help that he's notably silent when anyone asks what his logo looks like.

On a personal note, there were enough people who thought it was meant to be a swastika for the ironic value that I think he would've had an easier time claiming that was his intention all along.

And going after Philip DeFranco isn't likely a terribly smart move, either.  He's got the money and the profile to flatten Tariq in court if he wants to.  Phil's quite right, this is a potentially lethal thing Tariq's doing here.  Phil might not have a lot of choice but to do something about it.