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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7950 on: April 02, 2017, 02:41:55 PM »
http://travisretriever.deviantart.com/journal/PSA-on-Communism-and-Fascism-672088185
The comments left by the edgelord on this.* As I said in a reply to him, as soon as they start calling you a beta, a cuck, a degenerate, autistic, etc means you win the debate.  Much like Godwin's Law.

What little else I did read was of him saying the Labor Theory of Value has been shown to be more accurate than the economic calculation problem/price mechanism.  Yeah.


The fact that Venezuela, the old USSR, Nazi Germany, hell every single socialist state ever has failed should be more than enough to show that's bogus, so without even looking at his links, we can declare bogosity.  If he's THAT big a sophist to deny basic reality, then there is nothing to be gained from 'debating' him, even in public.

Now, he *did* violate my rules first for using bigoted anti-ASD statements in his first post.  And for being a pedantic, overly verbose, word smithing asshole--Which I warned about on the comment he was replying to, so he has no excuse.  And if I do decide to block & delete his comments it will be no one's fault but his own.  His first paragraph of his first reply is nothing but playing the victim card and threats to be a self righteous peacock.  Pathetic.

"But I'll just use the webarchive against you!"
I'm shaking in my boots. *rolls eyes*  No really!  Post all you like on your own pages, but I'm the only one entitled to the last word on mine.



*If anyone wants to see the comment thread, send me a request over Skype or whatever and I'll send you the screencaps.  I don't want that kind of sophistry polluting my page.  Especially when it breaks two of my most important rules.  Both of them have entertained me enough.
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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7951 on: April 10, 2017, 01:10:45 AM »
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The war apologist comments are beyond painful.  Even worse is how many likes they're getting.  What the fuck?
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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7952 on: April 11, 2017, 08:40:50 AM »
https://www.facebook.com/beingalibertarian/photos/a.256552551217454.1073741829.246976735508369/634335716772467/?type=3&theater
The war apologist comments are beyond painful.  Even worse is how many likes they're getting.  What the fuck?

Yeah, I like how they're all like, "We're only against unnecessary wars" or "unjust wars." But what does that mean? And who decides when a war is just or necessary?

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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7953 on: April 11, 2017, 04:32:12 PM »
Yeah, I like how they're all like, "We're only against unnecessary wars" or "unjust wars." But what does that mean? And who decides when a war is just or necessary?

Well, it seems pretty obvious that all wars are going to be unjust from at least one side.  Somebody has to start them.

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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7954 on: April 11, 2017, 11:42:18 PM »
That's the problem people have grappled with for centuries, all over the world. One side starts/provokes the war, so obviously they're in the wrong. But  what of the other side? Are they unjust merely by fighting? If not, should they content themselves with merely repelling the invasion? should they carry the fight to the enemy? what constitutes what in Arabic is called "i'tidaa'"--to exceed what is necessary and just? And as you note, Shane, what is "just" in this case?

We've had to grapple with the problem in the Near East since at least the Bronze Age, and we've yet to find a (near)perfect answer. Even religious and legal scholars in the middle ages couldn't agree: the Shafi'is traditionally believed it was just to fight a country simply because it is ruled by an infidel/unjust regime (an attitude not too different from neo-cons in reasoning. Just replace Sunni Islam with Democracy).

Others believed there had to be some serious violation of what passed in those days for international law (killing an emissary, piracy/privateering, invading your soil, etc). While this is more noble in theory, it can easily be seized by a clever sultan to justify aggrandizement. For example Suleiman I used the humiliation of an emissary are an excuse to attack Hungary in the 16th century. Perfectly legal, but what Suleiman I did as a result wasn't necessary, and in the long run might have made the Ottomans more vulnerable. This was by dragging in the Hapsburgs into the war (they had a claimant for the Hungarian throne, whereas the Ottomans, after killing the Hungarian King at Mohacs, wanted another candidate: wisdom would have recommended leaving the Hungarians to fuck themselves over--they were already doing a good job of that prior to Mohacs; the Austrians would have taken a long time to sort out the mess--Austria was historically pretty bad at this sort of thing...).

The only conclusion I can come to myself on the subject is that there is no such thing as a truly just war; only necessary ones*. And those should involve defense of home and hearth. This may or may not entail taking the fight to the enemy, but it's hard to tell (if not impossible) when you should or shouldn't.

* to not resist is either to allow occupation: sometimes that may be acceptable, but sometimes it's not (e.g. when dealing with ISIL).
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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7955 on: April 13, 2017, 11:14:43 PM »
Now, the show itself isn't fail, buy what he's talking about is:


So apparently, the media in Egypt suggests the people take an "economic injection", must endure taxes.

And in a scene all too similar to what is going on in Venezuela, the lack of food as spun as a "healthful diet"....That and they're blaming people for the government's ills...and that if they are "too lazy", they deserve to starve to death.

Oh, and the economy is, according to some of them, bad simply as a conspiracy to get al-sisi ousted in 2018's election...
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Re: Fail Quotes
« Reply #7956 on: April 28, 2017, 08:41:24 AM »
Hey, look!


It appears a small child has decided to try and rewrite history to conform to novels put out by the CCP and challenge China Uncensored with the result!