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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2013, 01:32:11 AM »
no, I don't. Not because they're religious fanatics--that's incidental (or causative: sometimes I wonder if they were insane before they subbed to Hamas ideology). Their genocidal tendencies also don't endear them to me.

it's also because of their propensity of getting Palestinians killed at rates unseen since 1948....by giving the Israelis the excuse to rocket the ever loving shit out of Gaza, they're in many ways worse. the one thing going for them is that they aren't corrupt, but then, the insane rarely are.

but as we live in a crazy world, they won the 2006 legislative seats, and caused Gaza to split off from West bank.

don't like Fatah either (who are socialistic, and corrupt as hell)--so neither major party is much good*. And in case you're wondering, the other parties are staffed by communists or socialists (and they're a substantial minority: 8-15% of the seats)--and I don't mean the half-assed types you find in Europe. if there's one thing we really don't have, it's subtlety.

the only thing they have in common is that they all hate Israel (hatred of Jews themselves varies from mild to well past NAZI levels), and have a nationalist bend to them.

and no, there is no Libertarian party or organization there, and frankly, considering the social attitudes, it would have less luck than it does in the US, or Germany...or Russia. I'd start it, but, I'd be dead within a week, and to no advantage. If I'm to be killed, might as well not be in vain.

speaking of which, that's what the situation reminds me of: Russia in 1917: defeated, hungry, with shitty government, and lots of reds. wouldn't be shocked if it wound up the same way.

*assuming I had no choice at all, I'd go with Fatah--reluctantly. As I haven't been hit on the head enough times and do have a choice, they can lick my ass.

 This is why I'm reluctant to support either Israel or Palestine because of the bullshit that goes on in that messed up region (no offense). BTW what religion are you? You said in your introduction you aren't an atheist so Im curious.

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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2013, 11:27:29 AM »
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This is why I'm reluctant to support either Israel or Palestine because of the bullshit that goes on in that messed up region (no offense).

none taken. It's been a fact of life there since 1919 that the place is a tinderbox. It's what happens when you trust European governments to deliver their end of the deal (heck, trust any govco).

I was raised a Sunni Muslim--Shafi'i jurisprudence (so your average Muslim Palestinian). Nowadays I don't subscribe to any of the main sects of Islam: they all suck: Sunnism too friendly to status quo*, Shiism too much into butthurt over the house of Ali, Ibadis lack firmness (they are supposed to be Kharijites), Mu'tazilites didn't go far enough*, Wahhabis are too Calvinistic, and all around, Muhammad is spinning in his grave (assuming there is an afterlife). they're also far too sure of themselves. So nowadays, I am the local equivalent to "nondenominational".

still learned enough to describe the legal and religious differences in sects, and tell you what each broadly think on an issue, but that's another story.

*it evolved to prop up the Umayyads.
*they're the regions equivalent to deists, though not quite deist by western standards.
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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2013, 12:20:23 PM »
Thank u for the info.

Moving back to black market firearms you should read this

http://books.google.com/books?id=rNNhhuURbLIC&pg=PA253&dq=danao+gunsmith+yakuza&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bmAiUaHkBKTTiwKoxYCgAg&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

On page 253

It says that in 1988 a Kyoto Yakuza Syndicate, the Aizu Kotetsu, recruited five of the Filipino gunsmiths in Danao to make guns for the syndicate. The operation got busted, however they were able to make 160 guns, which earned the Aizu Kotetsu 600,000 US dollars, meaning each gun was worth 5000 dollars a piece.   
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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2013, 11:29:57 PM »
This piece right here says that the Filipino made guns are popular among US criminals as well, but this source is not a very solid one it does not go into much detail.

 http://www.dausa.org/2002/07/05/danao-made-paltiks-are-weapons-of-choice-among-us-criminals/

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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2013, 09:37:10 AM »
More black market guns made in the Philippines.

http://kitup.military.com/2011/10/danao-sniper-rifles.html



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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2013, 10:02:50 PM »
I found more pictures from Danao "Gun City" Philippine. This one is an absolute goldmine.

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&assetType=image&family=Editorial&p=danao+guns

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More articles

http://dumaguetemetropost.com/guns-seized-on-passenger-bus-p3126-459.htm

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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2013, 02:38:48 AM »
You know its funny, They have all these illegal guns, but the homicide rate has been dropping in the Philippines, based on what I've seen.
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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2013, 10:42:02 PM »
You know its funny, They have all these illegal guns, but the homicide rate has been dropping in the Philippines, based on what I've seen.

Seriously? I gotta look into that.

BTW If gun control advocates bring up Japan. Just tell them that many of these guns go directly to their very own Yakuza gangs .LOL ;D

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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2013, 11:36:08 PM »
Seriously? I gotta look into that.

BTW If gun control advocates bring up Japan. Just tell them that many of these guns go directly to their very own Yakuza gangs .LOL ;D

http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/philippines/homicide-rate
it did go up in 2002 but, lowered fast.
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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2013, 08:40:21 AM »
http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/philippines/homicide-rate
it did go up in 2002 but, lowered fast.

If I'm understanding it correctly, this excludes a portion of the deaths relating to the ongoing insurrection that's been occurring since the 19th century, correct?  (The page says that this statistic normally excludes killings by large, cohesive groups, so it wouldn't cover casualties in actual battles, but it sounds like it would cover killings in the really nasty, small scale stuff that tends to cause a lot of harm to bystanders.)

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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2013, 08:35:18 PM »

Yo guys (and gals if there are any on the bogosity forum) check this out.

This video above is about gun making industry in the Pakistani black market?

I think this factory might be legal, but the point still stands. They are making the guns with basic machining tools. Also it is in the Darra region. Lastly if guns were outlawed where do you think they will go?


http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/content/EkFyAkZElFDSBAXykb.html

This piece above says that some of the weapons that the Mexican drug cartels use might be coming from the Pakistani arms market. I don't really know if this source is solid but it is a possibility.


http://www.crimefilenews.com/2011/10/gun-banners-cant-fight-computer-aided.html

Need I say more about the piece on top?


http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1370&dat=19960404&id=UpMVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1QoEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6627,1266728

For more on the Philippines Black Market, here's an interesting piece from Filipino news paper above. Read page 153



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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2013, 06:20:57 PM »
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Re: The Black Market for Firearms
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2013, 06:52:55 AM »
http://www.sportingshootermag.com.au/news/machinegun-maker-busted-in-south-australia

Yo guys check this out.

As they said in the movie Planet of the Apes: where there's one, there's another, and another, and another...

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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2013, 03:30:36 PM »
As they said in the movie Planet of the Apes: where there's one, there's another, and another, and another...

Like the drug trafficking networks.

If that is what's happening in Australia imagine the scale it would take place in the US. They do not even have as nearly as many civilian gun companies. With many civilian gun companies going out of business and many workers who have seen and know where to get blueprints, knows how to use CNC and proper heat treating equipment out of work, we won't just see improvised firearms we would see knock offs of existing handguns, assault rifles (Glock, Smith&Wessons, Colts, H&Ks, Walther, Izhmash, Beretta etc), probably some black market custom brands or maybe even RPGs and grenades.

Metal and material? Heck I know some rich people who would love to supply them e.g Mafias, well connected street gangs and probably even legitimate metal companies. Remember during alcohol prohibition there were some wealthy and influential people in on alcohol production and smuggling and the authorities turned a blind eye to it.

Equipment? Again, I know some rich people would would like to give to black market gun makers equipment. Any company working with metal has them. Heck most of it is available in basic machine shops. The 3d Printers also might come into it eventually if the Black Marketeers refine it to the point of making it work.

Smuggling? We would also see another market open for criminals south of the US border e.g. The Cartels. The Cartels are well know for smuggling in guns and ammunition from China Russia, and even out from armories from very unscrupulous elements in the Mexican police and military.

Some people will say that but most people won't be able to find them blah blah blah. Uh people the kids in  the Broncs know where every street corner drug dealers are. It is really arrogant to say that they can't find street corner arms dealers or illegal factories/workshops.
 
Just my take on it
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