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Title: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: MrBogosity on October 27, 2008, 02:12:31 PM
EDIT 5/29/10: I have updated the subtitles to Version 1.3.

EDIT 12/11/08: I have updated the subtitles to Version 1.2.

Haven't had the stomach yet to watch Expelled? Watched it, but hurled? Know people who think it's just the greatest flick ever and want to set them straight? You need this subtitle track! See how it works:


It's available in two formats. The first is an SRT file. It should be compatible with pretty much everything, and is supported by YouTube and Google Video. The catch is, it may look different on different systems depending on font, screen size, etc.

SRT: http://www.bogosity.tv/files/expelled.srt (68K)

The second is an SSA file. It's not recognized everywhere, but where it works it's better because the font and size are specified, so the subtitles should work better.

SSA: http://www.bogosity.tv/files/expelled.ssa (93K)

Here's a ZIP file containing both of them:

ZIP: http://www.bogosity.tv/files/ExpelledSubtitles.zip (52K)

Octamed has also graciously hosted a torrent of the subtitle, renamed several different times to match common names for the movie:

Torrent: http://www.mininova.org/tor/1969197

Instructions on using it are for VLC Media Player (download it here (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/)). Other players should recognize it; check their documentation for more information.

Put the subtitle file in the same directory as your Expelled video file. Rename it to match. For example, if the video file is "expelled.avi" then name the file "expelled.srt"; if the video file is "Expelled - No Intelligence Allowed.mp4", name the file "Expelled - No Intelligence Allowed.srt" (note: keep all extensions the same as they were).

For VLC (and most other video players), this should Just Work. If it doesn't:

Right-click the screen; go to "Video/Subtitles Track/Load File..." Select the subtitle file in the dialog box.
If that doesn't work, then click the Video menu at the top and go to "Subtitles Track/Load File..." Select the subtitle file in the dialog box.
If that doesn't work, go to "Media/Advanced Open File...", click on your video, check "Use a subtitles file", click "Browse...", select the subtitle file, then click Open, and then Play.

If none of that works, locate a small child and ask for assistance.  :P

The subtitles start up right at the start of the movie itself, right after the unnecessarily-long Premise Media promo. If it shows up before or after, then know that this lag is on your system. Hopefully it won't lead to any confusion as you watch.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: lennyhipp on October 27, 2008, 02:48:52 PM
might want to add that they first need a copy of the movie! You'd be surprised...

Also, I found it necessary to rename the movie file to "expelled.avi" before i got it to work properly.

great job Shane!
and thanks!!

Leonard
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Theta Omega on October 27, 2008, 02:52:56 PM
Ok, does that work with youtube? Or do I have to download the whole movie from somewhere?
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Tom S. Fox on October 27, 2008, 02:55:27 PM
Iím afraid only the video uploader can add subtitles on YouTube.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Theta Omega on October 27, 2008, 03:18:10 PM
Iím afraid only the video uploader can add subtitles on YouTube.
Then any ideas where I get the movie from???
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: MrBogosity on October 27, 2008, 03:29:10 PM
Ok, does that work with youtube? Or do I have to download the whole movie from somewhere?

If you have the whole movie on YouTube or Google Video, you can add in the SRT as a subtitle track, but I think you have to be the owner of the video.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: MrBogosity on October 27, 2008, 03:31:51 PM
Iím afraid only the video uploader can add subtitles on YouTube.
Then any ideas where I get the movie from???


BitTorrent?

NOTE: Bogosity.TV does not in any way authorize or condone the piracy of copyrighted materials, not even of stupid creationist movies made by dimwitted monotonal C-actors who have never heard of Godwin's Law.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: FelleAndersson on October 27, 2008, 05:08:12 PM
Iím afraid only the video uploader can add subtitles on YouTube.
Then any ideas where I get the movie from???


BitTorrent?

NOTE: Bogosity.TV does not in any way authorize or condone the piracy of copyrighted materials, not even of stupid creationist movies made by dimwitted monotonal C-actors who have never heard of Godwin's Law.

Haha! Funny :)

Haven't seen expelled yet, just Thunderf00ts rebuttal and only that gives me the impression that I shouldn't watch cause my head would just explode because of all the ignorance
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: BZ987654 on October 27, 2008, 05:30:37 PM
Iím afraid only the video uploader can add subtitles on YouTube.
Then any ideas where I get the movie from???


BitTorrent?

NOTE: Bogosity.TV does not in any way authorize or condone the piracy of copyrighted materials, not even of stupid creationist movies made by dimwitted monotonal C-actors who have never heard of Godwin's Law.

Why risk going to jail to dl some movie you can get in the clearance bin at wal mart for $3.50?
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Real Captain Olimar on October 29, 2008, 07:10:14 AM
Then any ideas where I get the movie from???



BitTorrent?

NOTE: Bogosity.TV does not in any way authorize or condone the piracy of copyrighted materials, not even of stupid creationist movies made by dimwitted monotonal C-actors who have never heard of Godwin's Law.


Haha! Funny :)

Haven't seen expelled yet, just Thunderf00ts rebuttal and only that gives me the impression that I shouldn't watch cause my head would just explode because of all the ignorance

lol, quote pyramid
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Octamed on October 31, 2008, 04:26:37 AM
[MOD: Sorry; I originally thought he had included the Expelled movie itself in with the torrent. I'm restoring the link. SK]

http://www.mininova.org/tor/1969197 (fixed seed)

*** deleted this as the seed was broken - http://www.mininova.org/tor/1963324

I thought I'd stick these where people are most likely to find them :)
Could someone try and download the torrent? I'm not sure if my seed is working since I've never make a torrent before.
I included copies using common movie filenames to make it easy. There's also a readme pointing here.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Tom S. Fox on October 31, 2008, 05:31:02 AM
Letís see how long it takes for the first woos to come here.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: BZ987654 on October 31, 2008, 09:39:51 AM
Letís see how long it takes for the first woos to come here.

Soon I hope
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Tom S. Fox on October 31, 2008, 10:02:07 AM
[MOD: This may be considered a link to illegal material, which is not allowed under Da Rules. SK]

Hey, Shane, how is this linking to illegal material if it links to something you created?
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: BZ987654 on October 31, 2008, 10:03:49 AM
Hey, Shane, how is this linking to illegal material if it links to something you created?

I didn't actually see what it was linked it. Can you pm it to me?
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Tom S. Fox on October 31, 2008, 10:06:40 AM
Uh, Iíll have to see whether I can find it in my records, but it was basically a link to a torrent containing Shaneís subtitles.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: BZ987654 on October 31, 2008, 10:09:04 AM
Uh, Iíll have to see whether I can find it in my records, but it was basically a link to a torrent containing Shaneís subtitles.

It was probably the torrent site then. If I remember correctly (I don't have a torrent) you can find things that are copyrighted on them.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Tom S. Fox on October 31, 2008, 10:11:07 AM
Okay, but that is not the linkerís fault, is it?
Anyway, I found it, I will send it to you.

Edit: I mean, according to that logic, it would be against da rules to link to YouTube, because it contains copyrighted material as well!
Also, I sent it to you. Iím not sure whether it worked, though.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: BZ987654 on October 31, 2008, 10:15:31 AM
Okay, but that is not the linkerís fault, is it?
Anyway, I found it, I will send it to you.

Not his fault at all, but sadly the webhost and I am not sure who that is, may not see it that way.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Tom S. Fox on October 31, 2008, 10:17:16 AM
Okay, but as I said, why is it okay to link to YouTube, then?
It contains illegal material, too!
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Octamed on October 31, 2008, 11:29:15 AM
Hi guys, I made the torrent seeing how Shane put "It's free to download and spread around" in the youtube vid, plus I link back to this site/thread in the description and the included readme.txt file, so I'm not pretending it's mine or anything. Mininova hosts lots of legit content and it's clear that the excellent subtitles are pretty useless unless people can find them. Torrent technology isn't the slightest bit illegal themselves. Just like you COULD download illegal content normally, but that doesn't make it to illegal to download. Torrents are just excellent tech for downloading and spreading files.
I felt it was my duty to mankind to spread them around after seeing some of the 'movie' ;)
But I can take the torrent down if Shane wants.
The other thing I could do is host it on 'www.legittorrents.info', which makes it a bit clearer :)
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: MrBogosity on October 31, 2008, 01:58:59 PM
Hey, Shane, how is this linking to illegal material if it links to something you created?

Because the movie itself is not an original creation. It's a violation of copyright. If you want to suggest to people how they might find it, fine, but directly linking is a no-no and could land me in serious legal hot water.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Tom S. Fox on October 31, 2008, 03:00:20 PM
I donít think he linked to the movie itself.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: MrBogosity on October 31, 2008, 07:05:47 PM
I donít think he linked to the movie itself.

It appeared to me as if he linked to a torrent of the movie with the subtitle file. If I'm wrong, he can repost the link.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Tom S. Fox on October 31, 2008, 08:18:45 PM
My dear Shane, the file is only 1.24 megabytes in size, how on Earth could a entire movie fit in there?
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: MrBogosity on October 31, 2008, 09:10:35 PM
My dear Shane, the file is only 1.24 megabytes in size, how on Earth could a entire movie fit in there?

I didn't notice the file size. If you still have the link, repost it. Mea culpa.

EDIT: Never mind: I found the link in my cache:

http://www.mininova.org/tor/1963324

Octamed: you might want to change the title. It makes it seem as if the movie's included.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Octamed on November 02, 2008, 04:56:26 AM
Octamed: you might want to change the title. It makes it seem as if the movie's included.

You're right, I changed the description. Plus I deleted it and reuploaded another one because it was broken anyway! :)

This is the new one which seems to work
http://www.mininova.org/tor/1969197
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: MrBogosity on November 03, 2008, 04:28:45 PM
I'm working on an update to the subtitles, fixing a couple of errors and putting in some more information during the cell animation sequence, so if anyone knows of anything else that needs changing, now's the time!
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Tom S. Fox on November 03, 2008, 04:58:39 PM
I donít, I donít have that film.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: MrBogosity on November 03, 2008, 05:30:42 PM
We've been Pharyngula'ed!!!

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/11/actually_i_do_own_expelled.php

I guess this'll be a good test of the server, database, and forum capacity...

EDIT: I went ahead and uploaded the corrected version so the Pharungylites can get at least a little better version.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: BZ987654 on November 03, 2008, 05:47:49 PM
You would have to write a book to answer to all the lies in Expelled.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: MrBogosity on December 11, 2008, 01:55:03 PM
Bumping, because I have updated the subtitles to Version 1.2. Typos are fixed, and there's some additional information, including more of Darwin's opinions about the sick and the poor.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: ffejpsycho on December 18, 2008, 05:11:30 PM
Thanks for all the work you do on Bogosity! I love the series, And with this set of subtitles, I may actually be able to stomach watching this movie...
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: MrBogosity on December 18, 2008, 06:03:58 PM
Maybe you should watch it with a group, and take a drink whenever they pull a Lord Privy Seal!

Oh, no, wait, better not. I don't want any cases of alcohol poisoning on my conscience...
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: ffejpsycho on December 30, 2008, 02:36:33 PM
Maybe you should watch it with a group, and take a drink whenever they pull a Lord Privy Seal!

lol, I would be dead half way through the "movie" (Propaganda)... Although I supposed it would be less painful than finishing it...
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: snickerskicker on March 06, 2009, 11:13:33 PM
If only whoever made this could also make one for The Case For Christ and/or The Case For Faith we'd be set.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: MrBogosity on March 07, 2009, 07:48:15 AM
That would be me, and I haven't seen either of those.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Real Captain Olimar on April 07, 2009, 06:40:27 PM
Bump.


Gotta keep this one ALIVE!
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: ffejpsycho on April 08, 2009, 02:18:43 AM
Bump.


Gotta keep this one ALIVE!


lol, Bumping a Sticky'd thread.....
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Real Captain Olimar on April 10, 2009, 01:49:20 PM

lol, Bumping a Sticky'd thread.....

Sorry, didn't know it was sticky.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: semper03 on May 13, 2009, 05:31:51 PM
My mother tongue isn't English, so bear with me.
First of all, I would like to thank the people involved in making the critically commenting subtitles. Great job!
Next, in order to make Expelled play with these subtitles, I suppose you need Expelled as an avi-file AND re-name the subtitles file exactly in accordance with the movie's name (exepting the extension, in my case respectively .avi and .srt. - E.g. 'Expelled_critically commenting subtitles.avi' and 'Expelled_critically commenting subtitles.srt'). It works fine for me, using Media Player Classic.
Finally, since 2004, I have worked as a Philosophy and Theory of Knowledge (TOK) teacher in the International Baccalaureate (IB) system, and besides, I've taught Literature, Antiquity and Philosophy in my national educational system, in fact since 1976.
When some months ago I first watched Expelled, I thought "This seems interesting...". Now, having watched the movie a couple of times, and having visited a good deal of critical internet sites, I'm disappointed, embarrased and horrified on behalf of the Intelligent Design movement, and on behalf of honest Christians respecting Science as an independent realm besides the independent realm of Faith.
As far as I have been able to scrutinize things, Expelled is one of the most manipulating 'documentaries' I've ever watched.
For my teaching purposes, I've set up a web page on Intelligent Design vs. Evolution in general. However, it's a work in progress, and I have not had the time to update it with references to the subtitles materials at stake. Nevertheless it may be of some interest to members of this forum: http://kj.kolding-gym.dk/TOK%20archive/intelligent_design_andor_evolut.htm
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: 11mc22 on May 13, 2009, 06:38:19 PM
My mother tongue isn't English, so bear with me.

you probably speak better English than I do.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: Sinlingual on May 14, 2009, 05:29:52 PM
Cool you're danish. You must be happy lol. Nice site by the way.

P.S. For all those who don't know, Denmark is apparently the happiest nation in Europe. Dunno how you determine that though lol
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: semper03 on May 21, 2009, 08:02:03 PM
Cool you're danish. You must be happy lol. Nice site by the way.

P.S. For all those who don't know, Denmark is apparently the happiest nation in Europe. Dunno how you determine that though lol

Admittedly it's a privilege to live in Denmark in a lot of respects, albeit it's not exactly Paradise!
It's difficult for me to imagine a Danish initiative like Steins "Expelled". I guess it would be nipped in the bud, simply because we in our public life have a very long anti-authoritarian tradition, ridiculing stuffed shirts like Ben Stein.
I've added a few things to my High School educational page on Evolution and Intelligent Design, http://kj.kolding-gym.dk/TOK%20archive/intelligent_design_andor_evolut.htm, - i.e. a trailer to the excellent documentary "Judgement Day - Intelligent Design on trial", and a pfd-file synoptically combining the transcript from "Expelled" with Shane Killian's critical commentary.
Personally I'd prefered to omit Killian's purely subjective, taunting remarks. In my opinion they just weaken his (our) case. Having said that, I would like to thank Killian (and his sources) for a fine job!
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: MrBogosity on May 21, 2009, 08:07:19 PM
I guess it would be nipped in the bud, simply because we in our public life have a very long anti-authoritarian tradition, ridiculing stuffed shirts like Ben Stein.

The thing is, the movie tries to make it out like THEY'RE the ones being trodden on by those authoritarian stuffed-shirt evolutionists. And their followers just eat it up.

Quote
Personally I'd prefered to omit Killian's purely subjective, taunting remarks. In my opinion they just weaken his (our) case. Having said that, I would like to thank Killian (and his sources) for a fine job!

Thanks. And there weren't THAT many jabs. Hopefully enough to keep it entertaining.

With that said, it IS Creative Commons. If you want to download Subtitle Workshop (it's free!) and go through and delete the jabs (very easy to do!), it's fine with me; but it is an Attribution license, so if you do that and show or give the file to anyone else, please add in a subtitle at the beginning saying that you did it.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: semper03 on May 23, 2009, 08:46:43 PM
The thing is, the movie tries to make it out like THEY'RE the ones being trodden on by those authoritarian stuffed-shirt evolutionists. And their followers just eat it up.

Thanks. And there weren't THAT many jabs. Hopefully enough to keep it entertaining.

With that said, it IS Creative Commons. If you want to download Subtitle Workshop (it's free!) and go through and delete the jabs (very easy to do!), it's fine with me; but it is an Attribution license, so if you do that and show or give the file to anyone else, please add in a subtitle at the beginning saying that you did it.

I certainly appreciate your critical comments! My only objection is that subjective, taunting remarks tend to weaken one's case.

I agree that the overriding strategy in Expelled is to make the ID people look like the victims of authoritarian evolutionists.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: phantomspell on July 20, 2009, 11:14:20 AM
Realize it is not illegal to download a torrent of Expelled provided you already purchased a hard copy (dvd) of it.
Also, there are software programs that convert DVDs to Avi format.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: MrBogosity on July 20, 2009, 02:21:46 PM
Handbrake, for one. There's probably easier ones, but it seems to work the best.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: asamak on December 04, 2009, 07:54:01 PM
At the very start of the movie it shows a University auditorium full with students.

Sadly, I cannot find the reference which says that
1. the University was not informed that a creationism talk was to take place
2. only four real students were in the audience
3. the rest of the audience were extras/invited

If you can find the reference, it would be good to add in the subtitle file, at the start of the movie.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: MrBogosity on December 04, 2009, 08:26:13 PM
I hadn't heard that.
Title: Re: Expelled, with lie-correcting subtitles!
Post by: MrBogosity on May 29, 2010, 07:03:22 PM
Version 1.3 of the subtitles is up! It contains the information asamak requested, and several other changes and additions as well.