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Title: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2009, 03:00:20 PM
Post quotes that are epic failures.
I'll start:

"The day someone quits school he is condemning himself to a future of poverty." - Jaime Escalante
(Because people who have dropped out of school have never become rich or succesful, right? *rolls eyes*)

"When we find that 34% of our young men and women are unfit for military service because of physical and mental defects, there is something wrong with the health of the country and I am trying to find a remedy for it."

"I am trying to fix it so the people in the middle-income bracket can life as long as the very rich and the very poor."

"I usually find that those who are loudest in protesting against medical help by the federal government are those who do not need help."

"I have had some bitter disappointments as president, but the one that has troubled me most, in a personal way, has been the failure to defeat organized opposition to a national compulsory health insurance program."

- Harry S. Truman (Showing his ignorance of history of the healthcare system and how to fix (What did Einstein say about Insanity again?).  Not to mention how 97% of people had insurance before the mid 60s; so I doubt more gov't is what was needed.
Ad Hominem.
Translation:  "I am upset that I couldn't put a gun to people's heads and force them to pay for others' healthcare that would kill millions")

"Democracy is the destiny of humanity; freedom its indestructible arm."

- Benito Juárez
(MAJOR FAIL and ignorance of history.  Do I even need to get into this? Like about how Democracy is complete failure (e.g. The Greek City States, or Rome after the fall of their republic?))

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair (Ironically it was his book that got people to push for Congress to pass regulation that acted as barriers to entry which actually gave the big meat packers artificially high profits.  He did realize this only after the fact:  What a tool.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 22, 2009, 07:32:26 PM
Some pompous jackass I'm debating with though wondering why.  One of those types who can't keep his answers brief and to the point, much like politicians!

him: This was most certainly not ignorance of the Constitution, and most definitely suggests that it has been upheld despite aggressive Executive pursuit of sometimes questionable policy.  (talking about New Deal)

me: I'm going to make sure I'm clear here. Are you honestly suggesting the constitution has been overall upheld to the present day?

Him: I don't buy your contention that people, for the most part, are ignoring it and getting away with it.


And he tells me he's far more hip about politics than me.  I don't even know where to start here...

I started with "Do the words Patriot Act mean anything to you?" and listed a few other big violations.  I wonder what kind of spin I'll get.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 05, 2009, 03:30:53 PM

The above video has a ton of good ones. :)

A sample:

"we need wars.  if we didn't have wars we'd still be livin in caves.  everythin thats invented today is because of wars."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 05, 2009, 04:16:46 PM
I love trolls, they're delicious.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 08, 2009, 06:18:37 PM
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Does having a library in your municipality make all bookstores go out of business? Does having a police force stop companies from hiring private security or private investigators? Does having public schools mean all private schools lose?

NO.

Hey Shane, he's stealing your schtick!

But oh yeah, the money to pay for those things just appeared out of thin air!  Okay...maybe it sorta did but...you know, inflation and all that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 08, 2009, 08:28:00 PM
Yes, there's a ton of information showing that government services crowd out private services.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2009, 02:00:27 PM
"The average divorce rate for married couples is roughly 67%.  When an institution has that high of a rate of failure, it is a failed institution." - My old Psychology Professor, who provided no source for this, and not realizing that of the people who enter college, less than 40% go to find jobs in their field of study (according to my High School), thus, by his standard, college/university is a failed institution.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2009, 02:02:05 PM
"Subliminal advertising works; it's why the government outlawed it." --Psy, prof, again, providing no sources
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2009, 02:03:46 PM
"The studies say that students must study for 5 hours for each test to get an A, 4 hours for a B, etc." - Same as above, despite the fact that he provided zero sources, didn't list a single control, and the fact that I got an A in the class, despite an average of about 10 minutes of studying for each test, which, according to him, should have resulting in me failing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 11, 2009, 05:45:20 PM
"Subliminal advertising works; it's why the government outlawed it." --Psy, prof, again, providing no sources

Cracked.com had the best counter to this.  If it was that simple to influence people, why aren't government doing it?  The fact that no government has ever been able to successfully utilize subliminal advertising no matter how badly they wanted to should be a confirmation that it doesn't work.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: valvatica on December 11, 2009, 09:44:27 PM
Cracked.com had the best counter to this.  If it was that simple to influence people, why aren't government doing it?  The fact that no government has ever been able to successfully utilize subliminal advertising no matter how badly they wanted to should be a confirmation that it doesn't work.

Agreed. Well, this doesn't even need to ride on majority vote: If the psy prof (and many others) thought that their assertion was true, where's the proof of it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2009, 10:24:23 PM
Agreed. Well, this doesn't even need to ride on majority vote: If the psy prof (and many others) thought that their assertion was true, where's the proof of it?
Well, if memory serves, the story he told was like this:  A store in a dept. Store might play a message at really high pitch or really fast, or something like that in order to get the people within earshot to come into the store for a sale, or something like that.
And, according to my professor, this would work!  A surge of people would come and wouldn't know why they were there.  Since they were there, and there was a sale or something, they participated into it.
He said that this was why that sort of thing is illegal.
He gave no sources/studies/controlls, etc.
It also just occurred to me that even IF he could give me the sources for that, that it wouldn't justify making it illegal.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2009, 10:58:42 PM
What really upset me from him was the whole story he fed us about the mentally ill being treated like (I kid you not) Holocaust victims until the State intervened shown in this thread: http://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=333.0
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 12, 2009, 09:10:37 AM
I think the best fail quote would be:
"I know what I'm doing."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2009, 11:32:11 AM
I think the best fail quote would be:
"I know what I'm doing."
Or how about the infamous, "I'm/We're fine."  Famous last words as they say.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on December 12, 2009, 04:46:27 PM
Or how about the famous, "I'm/We're fine."  Famous last words as they say.

You know what a Texan's most famous last words are?

"That's nuthin'. Watch this!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 12, 2009, 04:49:59 PM
Is'nt it amazing how fail quotes so often are Final Words?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2009, 04:53:48 PM
You know what a Texan's most famous last words are?

"That's nuthin'. Watch this!"
ROFL!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 15, 2009, 02:45:21 PM
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We've seen this pattern in you for a while, Hawk. Do you want to know why everybody confuses you for an anarchist? It's because before you're presented with any issue, no matter what it is, you already have your mind made up that everything the government does and stands for is bad. That's what sickens me about this. That regardless of your own opinion regarding slavery and Confederate pride, you still side with the SoCV because you're afraid of the Big Bad Government coming to huff and puff and blow down your Brick House of Freedom. News flash: That doesn't happen in a democracy. If the government takes too much away from us, we just vote the bums out. And if that doesn't work, the founding documents themselves even call for an armed uprising should the government morph into an irrevocable tyranny.

You'll just vote them out?  It would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragically wrong...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 15, 2009, 02:53:51 PM
You'll just vote them out?  It would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragically wrong...
*facepalms that quote*
Wow....I don't even know where to begin with that...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 19, 2009, 12:26:01 AM
"The benefits of social interactions can only be purchased with the limitations of the individual." --Thunderf00t.

Speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 19, 2009, 01:11:11 AM
Really?
I always read that as your freedom ends where the other one starts.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 19, 2009, 05:49:45 PM
Actually the original was, "My right to swing my fist ends where your face begins."

But TF's quote is very far off from that...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 20, 2009, 12:51:23 AM
I was under the impression that hitting you in the face was my personal freedom and the limitation that social interactions require are that I wont, even when I really, really want to.
Of course some might argue that that is a social interaction within it's own rights. ::)

(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o196/Gumba_Masta/frauen_fischschlacht.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: valvatica on December 20, 2009, 06:37:02 AM
I was under the impression that hitting you in the face was my personal freedom and the limitation that social interactions require are that I wont, even when I really, really want to.

What you're describing sounds like the 'biological leash' Thunderf00t has touched on in the WDPLAC series.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 27, 2009, 02:13:06 PM
"Thanks for helping me to explain to that guy that removing the governing structure from a society isn't panacea that leads to a utopia, but rather a regressive step toward tribalism. I can't believe anyone could be so naive." --ShaneSaw83

"Your welcome. Even in animal Societies, the beginning of government structures arise. The only reason you do not see other animals having complex government structures is because of the lack of complex communication abilities." --TemplumVerum
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 27, 2009, 02:21:12 PM
I always thought it was the lack of self loathing that prevented other animals from forming goverment.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2009, 05:27:34 AM
DonTruman:  "It's funny how the liberal-left is terrified of America having religious values -- values that might foster horrible ideas like 'do unto others as you'd have them do unto you' or 'thou shalt not steal' or 'love your neighbor' or... But boy-oh-boy are they eager to tell everyone what to do and what not to do. And more importantly, they want to require it by force of law, not merely to promote it as a social value. I.e., they truly want to take away your freedom to do what you want."

@Shane, Virgil, Lord T Hawkeye, and others:  Do I even NEED to get into the sheer stupidity and facepalm-worthyness of this comment?

Here was my response to the above comment:  "Cool story, bro."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 29, 2009, 06:50:59 AM
"HARRY POTTER: ENEMY OF GOD" - "Dr". P. Bradley Carey

At least both of them a fictional characters.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on December 29, 2009, 12:26:40 PM
DonTruman:  "It's funny how the liberal-left is terrified of America having religious values -- values that might foster horrible ideas like 'do unto others as you'd have them do unto you' or 'thou shalt not steal' or 'love your neighbor' or... But boy-oh-boy are they eager to tell everyone what to do and what not to do. And more importantly, they want to require it by force of law, not merely to promote it as a social value. I.e., they truly want to take away your freedom to do what you want."

@Shane, Virgil, Lord T Hawkeye, and others:  Do I even NEED to get into the sheer stupidity and facepalm-worthyness of this comment?

Here was my response to the above comment:  "Cool story, bro."

*singing* Frollo longed to purge the world of vice and sin!
And he saw corruption everywhere...except within!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2009, 03:04:21 PM
Me to my mom after a discussion about a dog:  "The point about eating our dinner reminds me of a youtube poop with that Zelda CD-I game.  It was spliced so that the king actually killed and ate his daughter (Zelda) for dinner."

Mom: "He got that from the bible."

Me: "I doubt it, I think it was just a coincedence."

Mom (with a grin): "Oh, no, it was definitely from the bible."

Nevermind the fact that she would have the burden of proof on that, and wouldn't be able to just assert it.
*facepalms*

And people wonder why I'm also an Anti-Theist in addition to an Atheist and an Anti-Statist in addition to an Anarcho Capitalist...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2009, 03:57:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=uAgQKJuriIo
This video's comment section is so full of fail:  e.g. defense and apologetics for tyranny, arguing that "well you don't know what a police state is.  We're not as bad as Afganistan" Yeah, yet...idiots.
Someone please tell the neocons here to go fuck themselves.

Warning, what has been read, cannot be unread.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 30, 2009, 03:33:50 PM
I have taken a liking to Dale Everett's site and his writing.
He's a pretty insightful guy.

However, the next bit I will paraphrase belongs in this thread:

"Corporations are the real rulers.  Follow the money." --Dale Everett

My (would be) response:  "Corporations are an arm of the State in so much as they are legal entities.  They are NOT the rulers themselves, as they wouldn't exist without the State; that's just silly."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 30, 2009, 03:44:17 PM
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." - Karl Marx
Evidently using magic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 30, 2009, 04:15:44 PM
"It's because we're surrounded by legions of Alex Jones fans.  As much good information he spreads, he also gives out a lot of disinformation." --Someone on the Mises Forum thread on the Fed being a "private" bank

Emphasis added by me.
Speaks for itself, really.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 02, 2010, 07:34:52 PM
"Stupid question:  In the first scenario, couldn't she have put the child up for adoption?"  --Me, in response "Abortion Challenge! Is it Ethical or Unethical? You decide!" by roevswade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRwwfxRm49A)

The fail quote:
"So if she couldn't find a family, murder is okay?"--Nulono in response to me

Personally, I will always adore TheAmazingAtheist's reply to his position on the abortion debate.
"I'm pro-abortion; no, not pro-choice, but PRO-ABORTION:  Kill as many babies as you can."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 03, 2010, 10:27:08 AM
Said when I refuted another "Stalin was an atheist" argument.

"It's interesting how when a religious man commits atrocities, he must be doing it because of his religion... but when an atheistic man commits atrocities, he must be doing it for some other reason."

Yeah, forgetting the fact that those who commit atrocities in the name of their religion ADMITTED IT THEMSELVES!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 04, 2010, 06:38:22 PM
Here's something I said on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAIiKw84zwg) by ladyattis:  "On the, "REGULATION VACATION CELEBRATION!" video, they linked to a story on mises (dot) org, saying that the people there "actually agree with the contents of their video in a more serious sense" I read the first bit, and found the institute had been strawmanned."

And here's the failquote response: "@Surhotchaperchlorome  Keep... There are 'serious' arguments for Somalia being better off without a central governement on the Von Mises Website. There are no researchers @Von Mises. They conduct no behavioral research, doubleblind testing or support game theory. They don't do anything like research. They quote that which seems to support a slightly warped neoclassical economic theory. They are a fringe element, a sometimes interesting critic of dominant Keynesian and Monetarist theory." --TrampEdgewood

CAN I GET A FACE-PALM?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 07, 2010, 01:16:35 AM
"We workers are not dirty.  The only dirt is Capitalist gang.  We workers are the only added value created.  Long live communism." --SlobodnaJugoslavija on this video (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=9NKHJ64qRR8)
Speaks for itself, really.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 10, 2010, 06:31:29 PM
"'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence' is just a cliche'."  --an acquaintance of mine
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 10, 2010, 08:03:46 PM
Why "undisclosed"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 10, 2010, 08:05:59 PM
Because I forget to just say, "an acquaintance of mine".
Blah, hold on...
There.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 12, 2010, 04:45:46 PM
Good ol' Kia.  Never runs out of good fail quotes.

He said "Communism can, and arguably should be, be linked with a democratic political system, and the same goes for socialism."

Now that's worthy of being here on it's own but it gets even better!

I brought up the fact that India does just that and look how much good that's done them.  He comes back with...

"AHAHAHAHA! You are clueless. India is a booming economy that is recovering from protectionist policies that isolated them from the rest of the world, economically, for 50 years."

India is a booming economy?  Yeah, their leaders seem to think so but if you take their word for it unquestioningly, I got a homeopathic cure for brain cancer to sell you.  -_-
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 12, 2010, 05:29:13 PM
India WAS booming while they were allowing the "sweatshops" to flourish. Now that they've cracked down on this again (another socialist thing), their economy's being stifled.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 12, 2010, 11:10:05 PM
"There is no war but the class war." --FakeSagan
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 13, 2010, 12:19:28 PM
To which you should've replied; "In the future there is only war. And war, war never changes.." ...Hnnngggg! Arrrr, arf arf, nyyyung, I have one thousand demons inside me that force me to type this stuff out.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 15, 2010, 01:22:19 PM
"It's not nepotism--he's my brother!" --Philadelphia Mayor Frank Rizzo, after appointing his brother Joe as Fire Commissioner.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 15, 2010, 02:53:42 PM
"You contest that before the industrial revolution classes were more simplistic, but Marx shows us that it is actually the other way around. He suggests that society had a more complex order in say the middle ages (Vassals, fiefs, guild masters, knights, apprentices, journeyman, Burgers, ect.) Where as today our classes are ever more simplified into 2 opposing forces. Bourgeoisie and proletariat. And wouldn't you say that class analysis is NECESSARY to discover if any class is being OPPRESSED?" --TolstoyKafkaEvsky, showing himself to be a Marxist or at least leaning in that direction, and therefore a fucktard.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 16, 2010, 01:50:48 PM
Ah, gotta love the Anarcho Socialists/Communists/Syndicalists.  I never run out of fail quotes from them.

"Capitalism is for the profit of the few, anarchism for sharing among the many. Anticapitalism goes hand in hand with anarchism. What point are you trying to make?" --johnlepo on this video:

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 16, 2010, 04:09:21 PM
From that same video, the poster said this:

"I don't know why people are still having the capitalism versus socialism naming debate. Both words can mean entirely different things to different people. What we want is freedom, pure and simple. Call it capitalism, call it socialism, I don't care." --AlaskanAnarchist

I simply can't stand it when people pull the semantics card.
Words have meaning.  His whining won't change that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 16, 2010, 06:06:26 PM
Granted, I find their statist cousins to be far worse, if not for any other reason than the fact that they want to impose a system from the top down...

Witness this idiot (in red). I (in blue) try to help inform.
The conversation takes place in the comments section of this video by FlowCell:


Staunts:  "Even by making the statement that our rights are natural, you are a person making this claim, therefore it's just another example of rights coming from people. Nobody can stand up for rights other than people, and nobody can take them away other than people. What's so hard to understand about this? How can you demonstrate where rights come from without doing so through the words, actions and perspective of people?" (Um...not sequitor, much?  Not to mention a shifting of the burden fallacy:  he's asking FlowCell to prove a negative.)

Me:  "@Staunts Yes, but people also came from nature.  Ergo our rights have to have come from nature."
(So I try to do what Shane did and try to link the two.  Apparently, that was a mistake...)

*Staunts:  "yeah, but I mean what's the difference. We're nature, we give ourselves rights. Poeple wouldnt consider rights an issue if there werent other people to threaten them, and when they are threatened it's not a tree or the wind that fights for them, it's people." (*facepalms*  What an egotist...we ARE nature?  wtf?  We "give ourselves rights"  What does that even mean?  *facpealms again* Yes.   People VIOLATE and SECURE our rights.  That doesn't mean that rights come from them.  Gotta love how to twists my point into something to fit his statist mindset, and then later on baw's about FlowCell making a video correcting AronRa making FlowCell to be some kind of bully...)

Me:  "Then you agree people secure our rights, that doesn't mean they 'grant' them to us.
Just because there is disagreement doesn't mean squat. Many people don't agree that evolution is a fact. Does that mean evolution is not firmly supported by evidence?
Then look at the comments section and read up on the other hundred or so times your point has been suggested."

Staunts:  "But proving evolution is different than proving we have rights! Evolution leaves physical traces, and continues to do so even if we die away. How do you scientifically prove human rights? Would human rights exist without humans?I think you are just making this pointless distinction to try and sound smart, but what's the point, everybody still agrees that we should have rights."
(*facepalms*  Argument from ignorance + shifting the burden + Ad hominem + bullshit point at the end.  Not all people agree we have rights.)

Me:  "Once again.
See the other many comments where this idea has been suggested.
Should be the first set of comments FlowCell replied to." (Yeah, I'm getting tired of this political dogmatist.)

(Another part of the thread):

Me (replying to *'ed comment):  "And by the last sentence of my other comment to you, I mean the idea that rights come from men.
This idea has been brought up roughly 100 times and has been responded to at least that many times.
Read through comments on this video. " (Yeah, I completely lost all interesting in debating this dogmatist at this point)

Staunts:  "I have and I still find it to be stupid. Like the kind of jerk who has to one-up the other guy(AronRa) by making a pointless distinction to sound smart when you're not really disagreeing with him on the main point.(That we have rights) Our rights come from nature. We are nature, rights come from us."
(*double facepalms*  Argument from personal incredulity and poisoning the well.  Not to mention distorting my first point to mean something it didn't.  What a fucktard.  Just like the creationists, I swear).

Me:  "Then you admit to not understanding the concept.
Come back when you get an education dude, seriously. Nature doesn't just consist of humans..."

Staunts:  "There is no concept to understand. You say our rights come from nature, hut you fail to explain exact;y how that works without human interaction. It's a simple question: do rights exist without someone to even concieve of the idea of rights? You couldnt really say that non human animals think they have rights."
*facepalms* (If he actually BOTHERED to read the comments posted by FlowCell he would know that the idea that there are liberties (or rights) without human interaction is actually proof that they don't come from other humans.
"There is no concept to understand." Puh-leeze.)

Me:  "'Interesting that you'd ask me to show a universal, when you make it sound as if they are particulars. You may as well ask me where the physical location of happiness or the number one. Please don't ask me gotcha questions when you have no idea what you are talking about.

If you want to see something physical, go get a book of laws and read where men have declared your rights null and void. Liberty is the default state of the universe, not legal restriction.' --FlowCell

'Liberty is the absence of restriction, much like how darkness is the absence of light. You don't need anything for darkness to exist. Much as how Darkness existed before stars existed, so too did Liberty exist before Government.

The fact that you can do what ever you want in the absence of governance should be all the proof you need. Nobody would be around to say "no".

Liberty is the default state of the universe. I'm not sure I could explain this in language any plainer or simpler.' --FC

'I view rights as a way of conceptualizing Liberty (a negative) in positive terms. This is why I call rights heuristic (a useful fiction). Its similar to fictional borders on a map defined by treaty or law (heuristic) vs. geographical regions which law has no control over (real). I derive my definition of rights from Liberty, which is why you see conflation. I see them as different perspectives on the same concept.' --FlowCell
"Liberty cannot be imposed on anybody, only Tyranny can. If Liberty is given, then the last man on Earth would be in chains." --FlowCell
A man may be born a slave, but only if his pre-existing rights are violated; he is not a slave by default.

I suppose I should have specified what I meant by "rights", so I do apologize if that caused any confusion.'"
(As I said, in the comment, I will give him that.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2010, 04:54:54 PM
Iconoclastithon:  "@Malthus0

American Libertarianism is very influenced by Rand/Objectivism.

Libertarianism is rooted in social-anarchy. The first people to call themselves Libertrarians{1800s} were such. The American Libertarian ovement is an imposter that usurped the term. So unofrunately real libertarians have to now pre-fix their libertarianismj with left or suffix with socialist{ie: Left Libertarian & Libertarian Socialism}, which is a redundancy, classic liberalism partly informs LEFT LIbertarianism."

On the comment section of this video:

I'd say that's an Argument from etymology (argumentum ad etymologia).
What do you think?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 17, 2010, 05:46:57 PM
I'd say it's just plain wrong.

But remember, this is the guy that thinks libertarianism = objectivism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2010, 07:51:57 PM
*nod*
Next thing you know he'll be saying that a mutually voluntarily agreed upon wage is "slavery" (or wage slavery exists).

And even if what he says is true, so what?
Word definitions change.  That's part of how language works, you have already stated.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on January 18, 2010, 12:12:31 AM
Iconoclastithon:  "@Malthus0

American Libertarianism is very influenced by Rand/Objectivism.

Libertarianism is rooted in social-anarchy. The first people to call themselves Libertrarians{1800s} were such. The American Libertarian ovement is an imposter that usurped the term. So unofrunately real libertarians have to now pre-fix their libertarianismj with left or suffix with socialist{ie: Left Libertarian & Libertarian Socialism}, which is a redundancy, classic liberalism partly informs LEFT LIbertarianism."

On the comment section of this video:

I'd say that's an Argument from etymology (argumentum ad etymologia).
What do you think?

Found a response to the above video.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 18, 2010, 12:17:04 AM
@Virgil0211:  I saw it.  I also added it to my favorites, as I figured you would.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on January 18, 2010, 12:26:51 AM
@Virgil0211:  I saw it.  I also added it to my favorites, as I figured you would.

What was that about great minds thinking alike?

What say we work together on this "AncientAtheist" nutball?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 18, 2010, 01:21:59 AM
Great minds? On my Interwebs...Yeah right. =P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 22, 2010, 07:13:31 PM
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2010/01/22/olbermann-unhinged-supreme-court-sanctioned-murder-democracy

Olbermann went on a mega tirade recently apparently.

Here's the challenge, how much of it can you read without laughing?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 26, 2010, 08:25:26 PM
Quote
You can't just "print more money", for someone who so adamantly claims to know what a good economy is supposed to look like, you should understand that even if the "political class"(what are you a Marxist now?) may be wasteful but they're not stupid. Printing more money only makes the money they have worth less. And it's not like every member of this "class" has access to the printing machine. A senator can not just go and say "print me more money." When you make such parodies of the actual situation it just makes me wonder what on earth you're thinking.

Oh yeah, they don't print money.  They'd NEVER do something like that...  -_-
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 26, 2010, 08:35:50 PM
Oh yeah, they don't print money.  They'd NEVER do something like that...  -_-
Yeah, what you had in a quote was DEFINITELY a fail quote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 27, 2010, 12:04:02 AM
Is'nt that what the Nintendo DS is for?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 27, 2010, 03:28:29 PM
This guy has put me down one too many times.  Where can I find indisputable proof that politicians DO in fact print money and do it a lot?  I want to send him that along with a subtly nasty comment to drive it home because I've frankly had enough of trying to be civil with him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 27, 2010, 03:57:31 PM
Try http://www.shadowstats.com/.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 27, 2010, 05:51:27 PM
Thanks, I'll take a look even though we all know the reply is going to be "It's biased therefore it's wrong."

Seriously, sometimes I don't know why I bother.  They've completely taken the challenge out of it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 27, 2010, 06:49:41 PM
Thanks, I'll take a look even though we all know the reply is going to be "It's biased therefore it's wrong."

Seriously, sometimes I don't know why I bother.  They've completely taken the challenge out of it.
There's a reason why me and Shane call them "dogmatists", "cultists" and "members of the cult of the omnipotent state".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 27, 2010, 07:39:39 PM
Is that some sort of sex cult?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 27, 2010, 07:56:05 PM
Is there no cure?  Gotta be something...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 28, 2010, 06:38:18 AM
Is that some sort of sex cult?

Well, we're certainly getting f***ed because of it...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 28, 2010, 11:06:26 AM
Well, we're certainly getting f***ed because of it...
Well, I guess we all need to stock up on lube.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 28, 2010, 11:16:15 AM
"Rights come from society [people]." --Thunderf00t, AronRa, etc.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 28, 2010, 12:40:43 PM
"They dropped a lot of energy in Hiroshima and Nagazaki, and they didn't organize anything!" --Kent Hovind, from Chaos511
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 01, 2010, 12:30:07 AM
Ooh, mr "Government doesn't print money" just gets better and better.

So the site is invalid cause "Well no [censored] the Federal Government prints money, but your insinuation that any individual who happens to be a politician can just print more was vastly misleading. The Federal Government also destroys old money. But they don't just get paid a visit by the Secretary of State who says "Hey guys, I need 20 grand, can you print me some money?" Which is what your statement made it out to look like."

I showed him Shane's vid on money and explained that not only can politicians print money any time, there is no mechanism whatsoever stopping them.

Why's that invalid?

"I know quite well what the gold standard was, how it worked, and how money works now. The Dollar is NOT backed by "politicians", it's backed by the fact that we're a sovereign nation. And unless you've got some evidence aside from youtube OPINIONS that politicians just print money whenever they want to, this argument is over."

Yeah, anything that disagrees with you is just an opinion.  That's kind of a one sided set of rules don'cha think?

Now I've asked him "If it's backed by the people and not by politicians, why aren't competing currencies allowed?"

Taking bets on what the excuse is going to be this time...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 01, 2010, 11:41:40 AM
Ooh, got the answer and it's...

"Lets see, because if you had competing currencies, you could earn a wage in one place and be worthless in another place. How would that be beneficial to the nation? Oh, right, it wouldn't.

So bug off already, I'm tired of listening to your ignorance."

Hey, why stop there?  Let's have one universal computer format so this won't happen.  One universal format for everything.  Perfect!  No more confusion, no more mishaps!  Why didn't we think of this before?

Oh yeah...BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY BLOODY STUPID IDEA!  ><
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 01, 2010, 01:37:37 PM
"Lets see, because if you had competing computers, you could buy software for one and it wouldn't work in another. How would that be beneficial to the nation? Oh, right, it wouldn't."

"Lets see, because if you had competing cars, you could buy parts for one and they wouldn't work in another. How would that be beneficial to the nation? Oh, right, it wouldn't."

"Lets see, because if you had competing game consoles, you could buy a game for one and it wouldn't work in another. How would that be beneficial to the nation? Oh, right, it wouldn't."

"Lets see, because if you had competing grocery stores, you could get a discount card in one place and be worthless in another place. How would that be beneficial to the nation? Oh, right, it wouldn't."

Anyway, is this guy in any way aware of the term "exchange rate"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 01, 2010, 02:02:24 PM
That was my reply.  I asked if there was some magic rule that says you can't exchange one currency for another.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 01, 2010, 09:21:47 PM
Which we by the way already do...with all the different currency from all the different countries that are in the world...the world outside the USA. For who's existance we have sufficient eveidence.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 02, 2010, 05:43:15 AM
For who's existance we have sufficient eveidence.

I call bullshit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 02, 2010, 05:48:44 AM
That different countries have different currencies at different exchange rates?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 08, 2010, 03:30:40 PM
"If we want to understand origins, if we want to understand how the universe came into existence and everything that is in it, we have to look at theology, not science." --Idiotic video an idiotic creationist pointed me to.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: valvatica on February 08, 2010, 04:14:37 PM
Didn't the individual states prior to the Civil War have their own currency?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 08, 2010, 05:01:59 PM
Or, the comments of almost any liberal (at least, the ones opposing the decision) in this discussion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_35lNmxDYI
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 08, 2010, 05:02:08 PM
Didn't the individual states prior to the Civil War have their own currency?

No.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 08, 2010, 08:50:12 PM
"I know 'authoritarian' begs the question, but you and I have similar definitions of 'authoritarian' - the violent imposition of will, in this case ownership.
Private property is the violent enforcement of a claim over an area one can effectively *homestead*. The claimed area is smaller, and the mode of enforcement is limited by explicit agreement, as opposed to whatever the fantasy of a state allows.
Though voluntarism isn't authoritarian, private property just isn't voluntarism." --Fringeelements making a fool of himself.
*facepalm*

If this is what Shane, FlowCell, and Lord T Hawkeye are talking about in terms of anarchists, then I'm in full agreement.
In fact, it was this "intersubjective consensus" attitude (which, whether Stodles/Fringeelements, likes it or not IS basically democracy:  he IS in favor of it, whether he wants to admit it or not.  "descriptive vs. prescriptive" my ass...)
As for the idea of an intersubjective consensus that he stresses, and the idea of objective morality being statist, he's full of shit.
He should see FlowCell's video on liberty to see just where THAT leads...

Don't get me wrong.
If he means that the SYSTEM would evolve and emergent via an intersubjective consesus, then I can get on board.
But if he, like AlaskanAnarchist means that freedom is an intersubjective consensus, then he's wrong, as FlowCell, has unequivocally shown.
But then, by the way he described his points in many of his videos and comments (many removed when his ConfederalSocialist account was suspended), you'd think he just wants local level states, as opposed to national sized ones.

I recall him saying that, "well, if they didn't like living in those areas with this restrictive convanent, they could just move to one that doesn't."

Basically, it's the love it or leave it argument that Shane addressed in his first constitution lectures series videos and that LTHE pointed out.
How is that ANY different from taxes, or a state?
Something I also thought was, "then DON'T use that argument against the state.  If it doesn't apply to an anarchist system, it doesn't apply to a statist system either."

I apologize for the long rant, but, as Shane said, about HTWW, and as I'll say about Spawktalk and Fringeelements:  "He [they] also said a lot of stupid things.  I don't side with stupid things."

And speaking of fail quotes,
this video is full of them:


For those wondering, the quote from Fringeelements was in the comment section of the above horrible video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Whycantivote on February 10, 2010, 07:11:24 AM
"The USSR wasn't socialist nor communist by definition. This isn't my opinion." - a communist by the username of itrainsinoctober in the comments of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=angbZB2WeMQ
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 11, 2010, 02:31:07 AM
And speaking of communism/socialism:


"Mises' works on socialism/Marxism are riddled with straw men. He had no intellectual honesty at all. At least Austrians like Bohm-Bawerk were somewhat intellectually honest." --ZakeD3 on YouTube.

Note how he never specified any of these alleged "straw men".
I responded with, "Such as...?"

Chances I get an honest answer (assuming he replies at all): Little to none.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 11, 2010, 06:34:51 AM
Interesting how Mises's "straw man" was able to successfully predict how communism would fall.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Whycantivote on February 20, 2010, 09:05:21 PM
The entire video description of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cLkouGu8LQ

To summarise it briefly: "Anyone who doesn't think I am entitled to taxpayer's money is a fascist".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 20, 2010, 09:32:37 PM
Just another example of confusing equality of opportunity with equality of outcome.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 23, 2010, 11:06:22 PM
"You gaiz know what Libtards remind me of?

Children, That have been told that they must share some candy for the first time, I bet that's how they feel.
Sharing doesn't come naturally, It comes with maturity and a honed sense of responsibility." --DackIsBack

As TJ once said, "Aww how cute!  It's trying to think."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 26, 2010, 07:51:04 PM
There's just no end to it.  When someone called me fanatical and I demanded examples backing this up, he refused to give specifics so I called him cravenly hiding behind vague statements as usual to avoid being called out.  This was the response...

Quote
No. You see, I learned from the best. That is to say, you. Once upon a time, I would have, and I still would, for just about anyone else. But you continually ask for things you are unwilling to give. In almost every argument I have seen you get into, you have been asked for specifics, for examples, to stop making generalizations and to present evidence. You might say that you do, indeed, do so. In the occasional circumstance, you have, nevertheless this has almost universally been in significantly less quality and quantity than anyone who has attempted to engage you in a serious debate. When you have been called to task you have typically just completely ignored that section of the post. Completely. I find this, personally, to be one of the few things worse than, uh 'cravenly hiding behind vague statements to avoid being called out'.

so, I am very deliberately not going to answer your questions. For a long time I was quite happy to spend hours researching and typing out essays more concise that most of my university materiel, just for your benefit. For much of that time I was happy to take certain of your axioms on trust, against all good practice, out of respect. I've even been willing to overlook your continued attacks on me, despite your touchiness about the same thing in reverse. However, it has become singularly evident that you do not share this respect, for me or apparently for anyone in this community, unless they happen to bow down to your holy writ world order. That, for me, is the essence of fanaticism, and why I accuse you of it. If you have something to say, I will still listen. But I will not answer to anything you ask me to do or, more accurately if we examine your parsing, demand of me, because you are seemingly incapable of reciprocation. As with most of my comments to you of late, I will say take that as you will. I will not enter into a debate of any kind with you, because I don't see there being any point. I've heard your arguments, decided they are fallacious. You have failed to present any new ones, and you will not give any kind of rebuttal any consideration other than perhaps not being so ridiculous in your examples and supporting arguments next time you state your point of view. Why should I, then, give you anything but the moments it takes to check that there's nothing new in your latest post?

You have, in more ways than can be counted, failed the social contract that exists in any community, or at least this is my opinion, and the reason for which I will not answer your demands. I would also ask that, if you have issue with this, and absolutely must take me to task for it, you either start a thread specifically for it, or you PM me, the latter preferably. the news thread really isn't the place for this.

This is one those big time college types, or so he claims, and yet unless I'm reading this wrong, has no understanding of how the claimant owes evidence, not the skeptic.  -_-
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 27, 2010, 06:50:26 AM
Man, that is just about the biggest shifting burden fallacy I've ever seen in my life!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 27, 2010, 09:30:27 AM
That's pretty much what I said.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Whycantivote on February 27, 2010, 04:57:17 PM
"The British[banking]Empire used the Germany-Poland border dispute as an excuse to initiate war on Germany" - A Nazi while claiming the world would be better off if America had allied with the Nazis. Apparently invading an entire country with the help of allies now only counts as a "border dispute".

I wonder if the Border Dispute in Afghanistan will end anytime soon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 28, 2010, 12:31:03 AM
"you do have a choice! the little guy has a lot of power. free yourself from archons and others will follow!" --freedominsomalia
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 28, 2010, 02:03:28 AM
And it's a false analogy anyway. Grocery stores sell a real product, insurance isn't a real product.
Insurance companies sell a promise and buy a risk- but they don't have to keep that promise, and that's how they make money (by denying legit claims).

But back to the main point- you're factually wrong, nobody is allowed to do anything like that but insurance companies, who don't sell any real product anyway
- Funincluded on youtube

I replied to this by saying "Then why would anyone in their right mind buy it?"

Taking bets on which bogus answer I get to that question.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 28, 2010, 03:03:01 AM
Taking bets on which bogus answer I get to that question.

I bet Twenty Zero-G Jelly Beans on my favorite. "Go back to Russia!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 28, 2010, 03:36:59 AM
Nah, I got this

Quote
Most people get their insurance from their employers, it's not just something they have a free market choice in.

Employers might get the cheapest or the best, but it's not just an open free market decision all of the time.

yes people will look for the jobs with the best benefits, but that is neither here nor there

Maybe it's due to late hours but I have no idea what he just said...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Whycantivote on February 28, 2010, 01:20:56 PM
"The good news is that Sarah Palin came only third in a straw poll of right-wing conservatives asking who should be next president of the USA.

The bad news is that the winner Ron Paul, a Republican congressman, may be even pottier than Palin." - Tom Shields; commentator for the Scottish Sunday Herald's opinion section.

On that note; Palin needs to fall into a coma for the next seven years.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 28, 2010, 08:54:44 PM
That actually could increase her chance of being elected president.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 02, 2010, 11:32:50 PM
"SOCIAL HEALTHCARE WORKS. That's not a theory, it's a real world fact. Like everything in life there will always be detractors and I'm not saying it's a perfect system, but the benefits are that it's cheap, it's fair and it reduces the cost of alternatives."

So...social healthcare works as an undeniable fact...but it's not perfect?  It must be nice living in a world where that pesky logic thing doesn't get in your way.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on March 03, 2010, 12:06:27 AM
"SOCIAL HEALTHCARE WORKS. That's not a theory, it's a real world fact. Like everything in life there will always be detractors and I'm not saying it's a perfect system, but the benefits are that it's cheap, it's fair and it reduces the cost of alternatives."

So...social healthcare works as an undeniable fact...but it's not perfect?  It must be nice living in a world where that pesky logic thing doesn't get in your way.

LTH, I have to ask, how the hell do you put up with posting in that politics section?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 03, 2010, 03:36:14 AM
This was on my own youtube vid on the subject.

But as to your original question, I suppose I put up with it because I understand it I guess.  I used to be one of them.  Thought capitalism was evil and the angels up in government were the fearless heroes battling them, the whole nine yards.

Not that I can convince them of that.  I've told them countless times that they employ arguments I used to use liberally but they never believe me.  What would I know about me?  I'm only me after all.  -_-

I can't really say I pity them since they voluntarily have chosen ignorance.  I think the big reason I do is because while I hold little hope of changing most of the woos out there, I can always hope someone with a little more self respect does look at my statements and actually think about them.  I figure if even one person can be made to see the truth, then it's worth it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 03, 2010, 06:42:34 AM
"SOCIAL HEALTHCARE WORKS. That's not a theory, it's a real world fact. Like everything in life there will always be detractors and I'm not saying it's a perfect system, but the benefits are that it's cheap, it's fair and it reduces the cost of alternatives."

So...social healthcare works as an undeniable fact...but it's not perfect?  It must be nice living in a world where that pesky logic thing doesn't get in your way.

We know what that is now: the Best Game In Town Fallacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 03, 2010, 12:02:19 PM
We know what that is now: the Best Game In Town Fallacy.

Hmm?  I don't get it though I haven't had my tea yet so that may be why.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 03, 2010, 12:44:19 PM
Look at the thread on unnamed logical fallacies. The Best Game In Town Fallacy is when you assert superiority of your options over other existing options--which, even if you could prove it, does not mean you get to avoid problems with your options or consider other alternatives which aren't in place.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 03, 2010, 01:51:37 PM
Ah, okay.

Oy, this guy just doesn't give up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRzOqXL-5I0

British if I'm reading him right which doesn't surprise me one bit.  They got a double dose of uber nanny state and despite how much they trample their rights, they still leap to it's defense.  Talk about a bad case of battered wife syndrome!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2010, 09:54:40 AM
"Asians have always saved 30% or more. Americans never saved more then 10% years ago. Americans have had a negative saving rate for decades. How does economics explain such a monster difference? It can't. Only anthropology or sociology can study cultural differences.

We borrowed from the savers (Asians). Karl Marx wrote 'whoever rules China rules the world.'"--RadioHogan

"You are assuming people save with paper money. Americans do not save at all. This is their answer to inflation.

Asians, on the other hand, exchange paper money for gold (Indians & Chinese, for example). There are the folks who now control the world. What we do doesn't matter. The Chineses are converting paper money into commodities as fast as they can (copper, iron, etc.)."--RadioHogan
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2010, 10:07:03 PM
"atheist (n.): One who believes there is no god.

If you do not believe there is no god you are not an atheist, a nonatheist."--gklr, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt1wDNRkllQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt1wDNRkllQ)

gklr is a fucking moron.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2010, 10:11:42 PM
He also made this video.
What do you think?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2010, 11:05:38 PM
"atheist (n.): One who believes there is no god.

If you do not believe there is no god you are not an atheist, a nonatheist."--gklr, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt1wDNRkllQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt1wDNRkllQ)

gklr is a fucking moron.
If anyone else wants to take this fucktard on, go for it.
I could use the help...
I'm fucking exhausted. @_@

I'm through replying to this sophistic douchebag.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: LuminousMonkey on March 11, 2010, 11:17:44 PM
"A gnostic claims to know. No-one is gnostic." -- gklr

I really can't be bothered with him after this either.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2010, 11:23:15 PM
Thanks for at trying though.
I really appreciate it, LuminousMonkey. :)
I'm also glad it wasn't just me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 12, 2010, 12:01:06 AM
I also facepalm when he whines about me not showing his fallacies.
There's a reason for that:
1.  I'm as exhausted as fuck.
2.  I don't 'debate' sophistic douche-bags with a chip on their shoulder the size of a mosque.
3.  YouTube auto-marks as spam any comment with quoted material.  How can I?
4.  If he really was in fact, as skilled with logic as he claims he would know they were fallacies and why and what they were called and wouldn't need me to correct them.  So he's a liar either for not correcting himself when he was being fallacious, or he's lying when he says that he knows logical fallacies.

If Virgil0211, Shanedk, FlowCell, LordTHawkeye, etc want to give it a try, they can go for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: LuminousMonkey on March 12, 2010, 12:29:56 AM
I don't think I've good enough at elucidating my thoughts, or I must be misunderstanding what he's saying.

He says this:

Quote
A gnostic claims to know. No-one is gnostic.

To me that looks like he's using the correct definition of gnostic, then suddenly shifts the meaning right after.  Am I wrong here?

Religious people claim to know god exists all the time, they think such things are knowable.  He just seems to, basically twist around and up his own backside.  But I'm just a simple man, so I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on March 12, 2010, 02:20:08 AM
I also facepalm when he whines about me not showing his fallacies.
There's a reason for that:
1.  I'm as exhausted as fuck.
2.  I don't 'debate' sophistic douche-bags with a chip on their shoulder the size of a mosque.
3.  YouTube auto-marks as spam any comment with quoted material.  How can I?
4.  If he really was in fact, as skilled with logic as he claims he would know they were fallacies and why and what they were called and wouldn't need me to correct them.  So he's a liar either for not correcting himself when he was being fallacious, or he's lying when he says that he knows logical fallacies.

If Virgil0211, Shanedk, FlowCell, LordTHawkeye, etc want to give it a try, they can go for it.

I'm exhausted myself. I've had about 5 big exams in the last couple of weeks, just picked up my exercising routine again, been trying to teach my girlfriend how to lift weights, and a few other issues. Sorry, but I don't think I'd be much help on this one even if I tried. If he's still bothering you in about 3 or 4 days, drop me a line.


He's a religious woo, right? I might know a couple of people who would relish the opportunity. Old 'hunting buddies', if you get my drift.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 12, 2010, 10:45:02 AM
I'm exhausted myself. I've had about 5 big exams in the last couple of weeks, just picked up my exercising routine again, been trying to teach my girlfriend how to lift weights, and a few other issues. Sorry, but I don't think I'd be much help on this one even if I tried. If he's still bothering you in about 3 or 4 days, drop me a line.


He's a religious woo, right? I might know a couple of people who would relish the opportunity. Old 'hunting buddies', if you get my drift.
He claims to be an atheist (believe it or not).

He has stopped bothering me ever since I stopped replying to his smug, pseudo-intellectual and sophomoric replies.
I did, however make the video he was bitching about my featured video (just to piss him off).
I'm convinced he's a troll.
I know for a fact that he's at least a liar and a sophist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 12, 2010, 10:49:36 AM
I don't think I've good enough at elucidating my thoughts, or I must be misunderstanding what he's saying.

He says this: "A gnostic claims to know. No-one is gnostic."

To me that looks like he's using the correct definition of gnostic, then suddenly shifts the meaning right after.  Am I wrong here?

Religious people claim to know god exists all the time, they think such things are knowable.  He just seems to, basically twist around and up his own backside.  But I'm just a simple man, so I could be wrong.
Because no theist ever claims to know, right?
*rolls eyes at the dude...*
Ray Comfort: "I know, and you don't." --when talking to thunderf00t about the origin of the universe and/or god and stuff.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 13, 2010, 01:08:43 PM
"So rocks are atheists? They lack belief in a god."--gklr
*facepalms*
Yes, because as we all know, rocks are sentient with the characteristic of belief, right?
*rolls eyes*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 13, 2010, 01:19:30 PM
"That is quite alright Val. :) Since you are unable to show why atheism is a lack of belief, when I showed that a lack of belief is not anything at all.... you run around commenting I trolled. Ok. Troll this. lol." --gklr

What a fucking condescending prick!
Words are defined as we use them (as he himself says), right?
He says lack of belief in gods is nontheism, except, when I look it up, it says atheism and agnosticism are synonyms.
Can you say epic fail?
As Matt Dilahunty on the Iron Chariots wiki says, "Dictionary definitions can be misleading when dealing with larger philosophical topics like atheism."

"when I showed that a lack of belief is not anything at all"
Right, atheism.
To use his own stupid example of a rock.
It doesn't have belief, it lacks belief, ergo, according to his bogus logic, it is an atheist. :D
He also talks of atheism as "well it exists; a lack of belief doesn't exist, therefore atheism is not a lack of belief"
What kind of bullshit is this?
Is he not aware of the concept of negatives?
And he has the balls to say his definition is the only one logically possible?
By that logic, non-theism is a lack of a belief, which, according to him, therefore doesn't exist.
Non-theism "exists" (however this disingenuous asshole defines it), therefore, non-theism is not a lack of belief.
This is blatant special pleading.
And he has the balls to tell ME to crack open a book of logical fallacies?

What a fucking asshole.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 13, 2010, 01:27:12 PM
"a = not has been addressed often and I posted my video on that topic as a reply here. Etymology is not how we define words and any natural language loses most of it's meanings if it were.

The problem with the logical operator not didn't come until 1905, well after the Greeks founded their language. Logic has come a long way since then."--gklr

OK, basically he's saying that because a = not is Etymology, which isn't how words are always defined, therefore it a != not.
Even though he himself told me that, "Well words can have multiple meanings" and doesn't tell us how:
1. why his prefix of "non" gets special treatment and
2. why our version of atheism can't be one of those meanings

Yeah...
*facepalms*
How does this guy manage to tie his shoes in the morning.
I look at the comment section of that video by FFreethinker and he's been spamming it with his pseudo-intellectual bullshit for months.
Man, where's Matt Dilahunty when you need him?
Matt would tear this guy a new one...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 13, 2010, 01:28:56 PM
"Rocks and numbers are not able to have beliefs yes, and that is why they both are without belief that god exists.
all you have done is state why they lack belief in a god, yet they remain nonatheists.
If you do not believe there is no god, you are not an atheist." --gklr

Circular reasoning + nonsequitor.

Funny how he's so smug about us showing why it's a this or that fallacy.
Yet the people who actually know what they are don't ask this of me...
As I said before, either he's lying about knowing what the fallacies are, or about not having committed them.

Also, I like how he beats the vagueness of language to death with words like "exists" which he seems to redefine with almost every post.

@Virgil0211: Though I stopped replying to his stupid ass posts, he's still giving many others in that video (the one by FFreethinker) trouble.
Does that still make your offer for help from other friends of yours, acceptable?  :P

@FlowCell:  If you want to know why I'm not too keen on philosophy, take a look at the comments left by gklr on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt1wDNRkllQ by Ffreethinker to see why; because Any wordsmithing asshole with a pocket-dictionary and way too much spare time can take advantage of the vagueness of language and use it to support any proposition--no matter how unfounded or outright bogus--they want...

Gotta love word-smithing assholes like gklr and MasterGhostKnight who will say anything, botch up any word, equivocate any word, bastardize any fallacy, etc just to support their own dogma...
As Virgil0211 said, I seriously wonder if both of these two have formal language/thought disorders...
I'm not even kidding.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: LuminousMonkey on March 13, 2010, 08:43:31 PM
He used the argument saying the current king of France is neither an theist or an atheist, because there is no such thing that exists.

He seems think that if someone argues that the word atheist is someone that lacks a belief in god or gods, then it is incorrect, because rocks and people that don't exist clearly aren't atheist.

Talk about moving something completely out of context, I was going to comment and say the next time he talks to rocks, or non-existent people he should let me know.  But I've decided that he's just a waste of my time.

Quite frankly, his discussion seems to be, if you will excuse me, just a bunch intellectual masturbation.  He's talking about set logic, yet seems to miss that it's boolean logic.  If something is not true, then it is false.

Talking about the belief of a rock is out of context in the discussion, and is meaningless.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 15, 2010, 12:30:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=aRzOqXL-5I0&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DaRzOqXL-5I0

Hoo boy, of all the thick skulls I have tried to crack, this is the one of the thickest by far.

According to him, UHC is not forced, there is nothing wrong with it and there's no way Mutual Aid societies could ever work even though they kinda sorta did.

Oh yeah, and when I ask him questions, he claims he already answered them.  -_-
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 15, 2010, 12:49:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=aRzOqXL-5I0&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DaRzOqXL-5I0

Hoo boy, of all the thick skulls I have tried to crack, this is the one of the thickest by far.

According to him, UHC is not forced, there is nothing wrong with it and there's no way Mutual Aid societies could ever work even though they kinda sorta did.

Oh yeah, and when I ask him questions, he claims he already answered them.  -_-
billburns2?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 15, 2010, 01:11:57 AM
Indeed, most of the others were at least willing to answer questions and defend their positions.  He just calls everything wrong and breaks for lunch, putting no effort into the position he claims to hold so dear.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 15, 2010, 01:30:48 AM
As Shane would probably say to him:  "It must be so nice to just assert that your opponent is wrong without out having to go through the process of actually rebutting them..."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 17, 2010, 01:39:59 AM
Nope. This is not how you advance freedom. 1 star for anyone who leans on moral arguments. They don't explain anything, and they won't convince anyone because morality is just made up. - Fringeelements (shockingly enough)

Morality is made up?  Psh...so if I were to steal his wallet at gun point, he would react by saying "Hmm...that person acts in a way quite differently than I would.  How interesting"?

No!  Of course you wouldn't!  You'd think I had done something wrong or...immoral?

He's make some good vids but this nonsense about blurring morality to the point of it being meaningless is just absurd.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 17, 2010, 06:54:03 AM
Of course many people's moral standarts are based on a highly personalized bias.
Like me who thinks that the fact that women arent tearing their clothes off and fling themself at me in hopes of being a part of a debauched orgy that the world has'nt seen since the days of Caligula is just wrong.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2010, 12:06:53 PM
Nope. This is not how you advance freedom. 1 star for anyone who leans on moral arguments. They don't explain anything, and they won't convince anyone because morality is just made up. - Fringeelements (shockingly enough)

Morality is made up?  Psh...so if I were to steal his wallet at gun point, he would react by saying "Hmm...that person acts in a way quite differently than I would.  How interesting"?

No!  Of course you wouldn't!  You'd think I had done something wrong or...immoral?

He's make some good vids but this nonsense about blurring morality to the point of it being meaningless is just absurd.
Yeah, his videos on free will and morality are pathetic.
He really needs to stick to economics and anti-statism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 22, 2010, 12:45:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt-qihwxk0I

Seems I ruffled some feathers with my story time vid about healthcare.  Why is it always the Brits who are first to go charging in blindly when you dare bad mouth the liberal holy grail?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 22, 2010, 06:52:18 AM
It seems like the ones who respond to mine didn't even bother to watch the video. I got the same crap about things like pre-existing conditions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 24, 2010, 12:54:00 AM
"aaaaactually the goal of socialism is ultimately to not have a government at all. True socialism is far closer to libertarianism than statism."

I swear to Ghandi, he was dead serious here...  o.O
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 24, 2010, 12:33:51 PM
"aaaaactually the goal of socialism is ultimately to not have a government at all. True socialism is far closer to libertarianism than statism."

I swear to Ghandi, he was dead serious here...  o.O
From what I understand, he's right.
But what I don't always get is how they're supposed to get to having no government by making it as big as possible.
Do they really think the people in power of this supersized state are not going to give them any trouble giving up all that power?
Or that people aren't going to die from the adjustment?
Why not simply abolish the state to begin with?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 24, 2010, 02:03:04 PM
They're still not closer to libertarianism. Libertarianism is individualism; socialism is collectivism. It's hard to get any more diametrically opposed than that!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 24, 2010, 07:04:02 PM
@Shane:  That's true.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 25, 2010, 02:24:45 AM
My apologies in advance for quoting this one, if it breaks any forum rules, but I simply HAD to put this one in: 

"@scottvska

Take your liberal crap somewhere else. DNA evidence as well as empirical evidence show different race has difference distribution pattern of physical traits and intelligence. "Race doesn't exist!"? What world are you living in? Yeah, keep your head in the sand. " --lwglwglwg

Yes, because controls don't mean anything, amirite?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 25, 2010, 02:36:39 AM
Wait, what?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on March 25, 2010, 10:14:09 PM
Ah, good old Kia252, I wondered when that little worm would slither along to make up facts

"Just so you know, the AMA is a private organization that has nothing to do with physician licensing, and is most certainly not a the only organization around for physician education and advocacy (their primary roles from my understanding). You may want to rework your talking points."

If the AMA is a private organization and not a monopoly, I am Princess Peach of the Mushroom Kingdom.  -_-
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 25, 2010, 10:17:02 PM
[anything that comes out of the mouth of Vogter2100, MasterGhostKnight, and billburns2 on economics]
'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 31, 2010, 08:32:27 PM
"Turned a million dollar profit last year? How can you classify Locks of Love (yeah, right, love) as a non-profit charity with a four star ranking with that kind of profits." --Some idiot commenter on Charity Navigator: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.comments&orgid=9285

Yeah, like it's a HORRIBLE thing if charities make money! Does this guy reek of political dogmatism or what? I'll betcha he thinks UHC is a great idea...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 31, 2010, 08:37:27 PM
Because as we all know, the state never makes any money whatsoever with all the people in it doing what they do as unpaid volunteers.
Oh wait...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 02, 2010, 12:50:25 PM
"@Surhotchaperchlorome

I honestly don't see rational justifications for 'incompetence' theories. Much of our society is planned, just like executives in a firm would plan buisness ahead so that profits can be maximized. Similarly, such planning ensures the maximization and consolidation of power, so that power does not escape from those who are already in power. These people will of course compete (and I'm not accusing a set of people, you could be one of them if power acquisiton was your goal)" --someone on one of Stefan's videos on "statism is dead".

When someone does something horrible, you can choose between malice or stupidity.  I say stupidity is the default because it (a lack of smarts in this) is the negative position.

I'll admit that the politicians are in it for profits, I won't deny that.  I just don't think they are THAT smart to know all of what is going on.
They probably honestly believe that they are doing good.  However, odds are they are probably just indifferent and/or don't give a rat's ass about us and are only in it to better themselves...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 03, 2010, 04:48:21 PM
"It's amusing how public schools elsewhere in the free world manage to put American public schools to shame. So, the answer is private schools? I'm sure they'll do just as great a job as the health care industry." --some state cultist on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzvKyfV3JtE)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 03, 2010, 05:28:52 PM
As someone who heavily relies on medication to at least stay periodicaly sapient I hearthely disagree with this statement.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2010, 10:35:35 PM
"@Surhotchaperchlorome. OK, so you're not a neo-con. What word best describes someone who believes the market is the answer to all the planet's ills?
Stefan may not be a neo-con, but if he believes only unpaid researchers can be believed, he is not a deep thinker. He has swallowed every denier argument without checking them. I've debunked the first few here, and I posted a video reply that debunks two - if he approves it! A few minutes research would have shown him the polar bear claim is a lie."--cristop5

*facepalms*
I'm an anarcho capitalist; which is about as far from neo conservatives as you can get.
Neocons aren't free market.  They just pay lip service to it.
I never said Stefan was right.  I even posted Potholer54's Climate Change playlist to correct him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2010, 11:55:20 PM
I tell him a shorted version of the above after the facepalm and here's what I get:

"@Surhotchaperchlorome. Have a look at greenman3610's channel. It also debunks climate denier myths.

Is 'anarcho capitalism' the same as laissez faire? Apparently it gives you license to use the word 'violent' in a new way. It seems you can now slip 'violent' into any sentence provided it is in rough proximity to the word 'statism' - another new word. Whether you include or remove the word 'violent' - the meaning of the sentence remains exactly the same!
Might I suggest 'violent redundancy'?"

What a fucking dogmatic prick.
Gee, it couldn't possibly be because, oh, I dunno, the State and statism is violent?
I mean, come on...
That whole post was one big fat poking fun/prodding/poisoning the well/appeal to ridicule.
Bah, I don't have the strength for this.
If he's going to treat Capitalism like a religion, I'm sorry, but he's a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 05, 2010, 11:11:37 AM
Stefan was totally on the ball about the eco-hypocrisy vid though.  I mean seriously, if the biggest proponents of global warming don't seem to be taking it all that seriously, why should we?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 08, 2010, 04:16:06 PM
First comment: "unification church is all about inter faith work and bringing peace to this world, ignorant people focus on the negative and ignore the positive"

My comment: "Bullshit.
It's a cult that extorts money out of gullible people."


Now for the fail quote:
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brunoklotz: "@Surhotchaperchlorome

It is the movement of the Messiah and Saviour, working to save this world. But such motivation is maybe beyond some people's imagination."

The old "yer closed minded" bs for the win.

For those wondering, here's the video in question: 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 08, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
Is it just me or is that theme just promissing unwarranted funk?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 09, 2010, 08:43:06 PM
You know, they say "give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself."

Man did I get a disturbing example of this today...

Another liberal whackjob bleating about how evil insurance companies are so I decided to not try and counter his arguments but simply ask questions and see how long he could dance around them before saying something stupid.

I got to the point where I asked "Food is arguably an even MORE essential service than medicine since you could theoretically never see the  doctor and take your chances but you will definetely die without food.  So, why does nobody object to making profits off food?"

What did I get in response?

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It isn't immoral to charge for food because the human body can run on almost ANYTHING. That means that I could go outside right now and live off the plants and animals living there. People can live in the desert, because that's what humans do; we survive, we persevere, we overcome! When people buy food or water they are paying for the CONVENIENCE of another human finding it and preparing it. We pay extra for exotic foods that are rare to our lands because it takes more effort, time, and money to gather them.

Yeah...those 25,000 people a day who die of hunger.  They just weren't trying hard enough.  Wow...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 09, 2010, 11:05:25 PM
Yikes...just yikes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 10, 2010, 11:44:46 AM
Speaking of defending atrocities and double standards...
...Something that has bothered me about politicians is that the public will go crazy if they cheat on their spouse, or have whatever else going on in their personal lives.
Heck, I'm sure they'd try and burn the candidate at the stake if he/she molested a few 5 year olds and killed his/her family.
I was taught that people are like this to presidential candidates especially because the person is supposed to be the "moral leader".
But even if the person who became president did the actions above BUT still managed to get elected and, because the person has the politics of Harry Browne or Mary Ruwart, manages to save millions of lives from our wars, FDA, etc, isn't that a good thing?
The person, on net balance saved many many lives and helped billions more.

Yet normally a person with a clean (or close to clean) personal life gets elected and millions die as a result of his policies.
Isn't that far worse than the above scenario?

Yet my teacher would probably say that
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But he's the moral leader!!!  He can't be president!  He's too immoral!
If I were to defend the first president.

Yet if I were to bash the second president I'd get
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But he fought them over there so we didn't have to fight them over here!

Because murder is perfectly OK so long as it is done by the state, right?
*facepalms*

The idea that our archons have to be these superhuman perfectly 100% clean lambs is a load of crap...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 10, 2010, 04:04:15 PM
LTH notes that the idea that social animals need a state is a contradiction.

He got this reply:
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we call it a hierarchical structure all social animals have one form of it. And sides there is no true such thing as personal success in our modern world, you drive on public roads funded by the public unless you want to pay a toll to some company for using their roads, you have education unless you want to pay for private and being in a population of uneducated cuts down opportunities for all, there is no escaping that you rely on social systems.
--Some guy talking to Lord T Hawkeye on one of stefbot's videos.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 11, 2010, 06:38:06 AM
You know, they say "give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself."

Man did I get a disturbing example of this today...

Another liberal whackjob bleating about how evil insurance companies are so I decided to not try and counter his arguments but simply ask questions and see how long he could dance around them before saying something stupid.

I got to the point where I asked "Food is arguably an even MORE essential service than medicine since you could theoretically never see the  doctor and take your chances but you will definetely die without food.  So, why does nobody object to making profits off food?"

What did I get in response?

Yeah...those 25,000 people a day who die of hunger.  They just weren't trying hard enough.  Wow...


OK, first off, the same way that they get enraged when presumably someone denies you health care because of money, they should be enraged that someone would deny you food because of money too. And the same way they think that health care is essential to human life, therefore it must be free for all, then they must by all means be for socialized food (or whatever you would call it).

Also, we can put out fires and chase criminals by our self too, but i don't think they would like it if I say we don't need police or fire departments.

Also, the same argument could be applied to health care - your body heals naturally, has an immune system build in to it. If you keep your self warm  and safe from health hazards and drink enough tea and eat enough veggies every day, you don't need health care that much.  And yes, you might get cancer or something that can't be prevented by just doing those things, but you could also get a drought too, so why not have socialized food then?

And anyone who says that our means of getting food is nothing more than convenience, I dare him to try to survive by just hunting. Yeah, you can do it, but say hello to constant battle for survival and no time left to do any of the stuff that modern humans do. You might as well just go back to the Xth century.

Being able to get food fast, on the spot,  is more essential to our way of life today than these people think.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 12, 2010, 12:19:19 AM
I don't know how but it seems liberals have a bad habit of taking a lot of things in life for granted.  That's why they take on this absurd "bash capitalism while reaping the benefits of it and try to stop any progress you can just as long as you can still get lattes" stance.

Worse yet is when you get examples like the quote above of "We care...as long as you believe as we do."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 12, 2010, 02:04:34 PM
FergTubeAble: "Sad. You don't offer any proof, You are simply trying to insult thru imitaion. Your other videos I have seen offer a rational arguement. This is just sad. Stick with the social ideals. Leave personal choice alone."

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@FergTubeAble  Do you really need proof to know that a hell of a lot more people are dying of heart attacks over b12 deficiency

Even giving the benefit of the doubt that what he says is true, that's NOT an argument against eating meat, but rather just not eating ridiculous amounts of meat.

The other was quoted because of the poor spelling and to give context to Jacob's quote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 12, 2010, 11:16:29 PM
All from that Ultramediacorp imbecile commenting on Shane's latest video:

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@Surhotchaperchlorome If you want to make it a racial question, then yeah we would be just like Kenya is Black and Puerto Rico Brown. Why do you have a problem with that?

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@shanedk If the majority is white and you are asking what kind of country we are in a racial context, yeah then we would be white. Or do you think implying a racist component to the argument is gonna scare me into denying what the facts are.

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@shanedk They were Deists were they? Gee, you ever read the mayflower compact? You ever read the letters written by George Washington? Just how many signatures on the the founding Documents were those of deists? You care to share the staggering truth with us? Or don't you really know?
*facepalms* The pilgrims did NOT found the USA.  Even *I* know that.

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@shanedk Just out of curiosity, what were the Quakers and what was their influence on the founding documents? Think that will give ya some clues
Nor did the Quakers.  And even if they did:  "Regardless of their personal opinions, the founding fathers choose to set up a secular state." --Iron Chariots (NOT a fail quote)

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@Elitistb616 No he is completely wrong. The constitution is a contractual agreement and in the very first part of his video he admits the words are not in the Constitution but implies the supposition of a "Concept of said wall being there" when NOTHING like abstract concepts are enforceable moreover he gratuitously adds to the instruction "Congress shall make no laws respecting a religion" is not the intent of any one founder. On the contrary, everyone that signed it in so doing agrees with it

*facepalms* His entire point is a strawman.  As Shane already explained in the very video this bozo is commenting on, you have to go by the meaning of the words as they were used at the time, not founder intent.

I hate to break it to him, but reality doesn't work by majority vote.

Also, his profile:
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My Mission"

To Destroy, Discredit, Debunk, Disparage the ever lying illusion of evilution. Join me and BigWhammy in exposing the most insidious, insipid, ignorant, idiocy being taught in our public schools today. The fraud, the Hoax's, the Deceptive slippery circular semantics of Atheist speaking out both sides of their filthy foaming mouths. We expose, exploit and extinguish EVERY Atheist / evolutionary ploy with drop dead common sense and scientific facts the old fashioned way and we never lose. I don't care if you're Bitchin Hitchens, Sam The Scam Harrisy, or Dick DoHkins, WE divide and CRUSH the pathetically repugnant pseudo science of evolution leaving the followers of this so called mountain of evidence, choking on the dust of their own regrets.

Evolution is unequivocally the biggest hoax ever perpetrated for the advancement of the religion of Atheism and its NWO agenda
What more need to be said?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 13, 2010, 01:26:26 AM
*facepalms* The pilgrims did NOT found the USA.  Even *I* know that.
Nor did the Quakers.

Of course, everyone who knows a thing or two about a thing or two know that it was elves.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 14, 2010, 11:35:10 AM
"Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society." --Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 14, 2010, 11:38:12 AM
Taxes and not eating the raw hearts of our vanquished enemies.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 15, 2010, 10:30:06 AM
And from someone else on that Unification Church video:

"@Surhotchaperchlorome

Sorry to say, but I think that your viewpoint is not in line with God's. You can ask God humbly and gradually find out the spiritual reality, that Rev Moon is the Saviour."--brunoklotz

Sorry, but I'm not a Schizophrenic...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 20, 2010, 01:53:44 PM
Me:  " Solution: Abolish the war on drugs; legalize ALL drugs, period.
1. But..but..there are GOOD reasons to legalize drugs too! =P"
To which this idiot responded:
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@Surhotchaperchlorome What a GREAT solution! Allow everyone to self-medicate into lethargy, and then we will be just another second-rate nation.
--RackedRabbi


Translation: "AHH!!! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 20, 2010, 02:14:23 PM
He puts such a negative spin on lethargy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 20, 2010, 03:47:35 PM
@Gumba Masta:  All the more reason to make his response a fail quote.


"@Surhotchaperchlorome
The historical record would show you that the most paranoid are those in power who plot and scheme to maintain and increase it all cost. History is rife with governmental conspiracies, not a flight of fancy at all." --Some dude on Stefan's video

I was talking about THIS country not "throughout history"; and I figured that was clear based on the context.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 21, 2010, 08:19:52 PM
I made the statement that statism has proven to be unsustainable saying "Numbers don't lie.  What cannot mathematically continue, will not continue" and was met with this gem...

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It's testament to how little you understand of macroeconomics and... well, mathematics, that you can believe any part of this. Numbers *do* lie, all the time, because they're badly sourced, and debt can continue to grow so long as potential value grows at the same pace. Which it probably does, in long term trends. little stock market crashes and depressions happen all the time, but on the whole, the world economy keeps getting worth more and more, and debt continues to increase alongside it. That's how a capitalist market creates momentum and profitable ventures. Debt will ALWAYS increase, it's actually a sign of a healthy economy. Of course, there are bits of debt that are rather bad, but on the whole, saying the economy is terrible because it's in debt shows an utter lack of knowledge about how capitalism works on a grand scale.

Debt is a sign of a healthy economy?  Well gee, maybe I should go on a shopping spree with my credit card and improve my own personal economy!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 21, 2010, 08:22:24 PM
"...and debt continues to increase alongside it. That's how a capitalist market creates momentum and profitable ventures."
*Facepalms*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 22, 2010, 03:16:25 AM
I consider my self to be a capitalist newb in general, but DEAR GOD WAS THAT STUPID!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 23, 2010, 01:23:27 AM
He goes on with this when challenged.

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No, because of what I outlined. Listen.

Man has $100. He wants to start a business. He borrows $500 (what the bank will allow based on his existing money), and starts the business. He uses the venture capital to generate profits, paying his debts. He's now worth $600. He could just sit there and continue to make a bit of money, but why do that? he can now borrow 6 times that amount from the bank, so he borrows $3000, and invests it in the same way, growing his business to the point where it can efficiently pay off his debts. He makes the 3000 dollars back. He's now worth 3000 dollars, and why not just keep going? he can now borrow $15000. He is now 30 times more in debt than he was when he first borrowed, but the debt is sustainable because he is worth more. Read my post, I said that

"the world economy keeps getting worth more and more, and debt continues to increase alongside it. That's how a capitalist market creates momentum and profitable ventures. Debt will ALWAYS increase, it's actually a sign of a healthy economy"

I hope this makes more sense with the given example.

Have some more rope...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 23, 2010, 09:56:50 AM
Uh...what exactly happens if he CAN"T make more money than he borrowed?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 23, 2010, 10:30:26 AM
Well to use a technical term... if he only borrows 500 bucks he's fucked.
If he borrows 10 million, the banks will ask him if he needs some more.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 23, 2010, 03:35:53 PM
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How many Libertarians does it take to change a light bulb?
None. If you just leave it alone and get out of the way, the free market will take care of it."
--Etimos, source (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laCYmjUDOvk)

Do I even have to explain this one?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 23, 2010, 04:00:40 PM
Good heavens no!
You know that explaining it ruins every joke.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 27, 2010, 09:41:37 PM
"The free market is not perfect, it is an ideal. Like communism it is a beautiful idea that can't exist in the real world.

Communism ignores the affects of greed to achieve a perfect society. Free Marketism ignores the affects of fraud and force."--SpamSpamNEggs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy_segw1NII)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 29, 2010, 03:05:20 AM
"But it [paying taxes] is common sense, unless you want your economy and infrastructure to go down the shit hole." --Encyclopedia Dramatica article on "Zeitgeist - The Movie"

1.  "Appeal to common sense" is a fallacy.
2.  Broken Window Fallacy + argument from adverse consequences.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 29, 2010, 07:17:38 PM
I have to ask, what is the basis for this "Without taxes there will be chaos" claim anyway?  Can these people point to one case where a society had no taxes and it didn't work out?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 02, 2010, 08:43:07 PM
On this video: 

I made this comment: " /watch?v=ftd-AiOz_Kl ("Understanding Liberty: Answering My Critics " by FlowCell)"

To which the video's uploader responded with:
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@Surhotchaperchlorome I appreciate the sentiment of the video and agree with most of the conclusions, but I don't see how "all men are created equal" can be accepted axiomatically. I also think whether or not rights are objective is beside the point. As the video illustrates, what matters is whether or not people believe in those rights. Thus I think the argument for human rights should be out of empathy and potential benefit, not that they are objectively true, since that's hard to prove.
--Stargazer5781

Sheesh, talk about missing the point...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 03, 2010, 02:06:13 AM
Fringeelements is great at politics but I wish he'd think a little harder about his moral nihilism position because I really don't think he gets the full implications of that stance.

To be a moral nihilist, you cannot correct or object to anyone's behavior.  As soon as you do so, you're not a moral nihilist anymore.

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I don't know if every single one, but the major moral codes were said to be prescribed by god. This was how they bridged the is-ought gap, with god.
Morality is subjective like god is subjective. An "ought" cannot exist, and the use of oughts in language is not proof of one any more than using "the mind" is proof of mind-body dualism.
No, you don't need morality to appeal to subjective value. Why are you people still doing this? This is so simple.

This was said AFTER I stated that the golden rule predates organized religion and the state by centuries.  I really wish he'd rethink this position because it's hurting his credibility.

Oh yeah...he states this in another comment...

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No, the state does not respect the individual, all acts of state are acts of war. A state is a person or persons who claim an area and say you have to do X or force will be applied to you until you obey.

This sounds a lot like an appeal to morality to me...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 05, 2010, 08:16:03 PM
Self explanatory:
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 06, 2010, 03:49:40 AM
"If you think global warming is man made you might be a fucking moron. Water vapor is by far the biggest greenhouse gas yet people only concentrate on CO2! This is just another bullshit bogeyman to scare you into giving up liberty and your money. If they don't get you with this they try terrorists, guns, immigrants, gays, trans fat, etc. And if global warming is man-made, then try to find some solution that doesn't involve forcing peoples' hands and drastically lowering their quality of life!"-- Militant-Mike1, on OKCupid.com

Only the bold part is the fail quote.
I do agree that if global warming is man-made, that that does NOT justify using the state to try to stop it.
Voluntarism >> Statism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 06, 2010, 06:24:44 AM
The second sentence is fail, too. First of all, there is no such thing as a "greenhouse gas." The carbon gases (like carbon dioxide and methane) increase the heat index of the atmosphere, which is why increased concentration raise global temperatures. Water vapor doesn't work like that. When it's in the form of humidity, it allows the atmosphere to hold in more radiation, which warms it, but when it's in the form of clouds, it increases the albedo, reflecting away more radiation, having the opposite effect. Also, water vapor is very good at staying at equilibrium--the water cycle removes new water in the atmosphere quickly, while carbon gases can stay in the atmosphere for upwards of a thousand years. Increased concentrations of those results in a new, higher equilibrium; not so with water vapor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 06, 2010, 11:47:53 PM
Fixed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2010, 11:10:04 PM
"@Surhotchaperchlorome I recommend revisiting the history of human civilization. It's been nothing but a purposeful quest for power and control over others. Most recently, the track record of the British empire in establishing countries around the world to farm could hardly be classified as random incompetence.

I wonder where the reflexive need to call this conspiracy theory comes from...perhaps that our entire lives have been spent believing the myth of the invisible hand and free market"--councilonsper.

What a fucking moron...
I probably wouldn't have put this in the fail quotes section if it weren't for the last part.
I mean come on, as I explained in this (http://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=462.0) topic about Stefan Molyneux's videos, they clearly haven't thought this idea through.
And yes, the invisible and the free market, work.
What a fucking idiot councilonsper is.
Human history my ass, prove what they say or STFU.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 16, 2010, 10:27:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMzeY7rOJvQ

Challenge: How long can you watch and keep a straight face?

I seriously laughed hysterically for a good 5 minutes when he said the rich bring no value to society.  What is this asshole thinking?  That rich people just dropped out of the sky?

PSA voice: Your brain is a marvel of technology, but when you take Marxism, you alter your brain.  You change thinking patterns.  You distort perception.  And eventually...your brain just won't be the same.  Think about it, while you still can.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 16, 2010, 12:47:17 PM
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The basic structure of the internet was created by govt funding. If a private company had built the internet, it would be entirely different. The govt created the internet to be an open platform that couldn't be disabled by an attack, but a private company would've built a system that could be easily controlled for reasons of profit. Even as we speak, private companies are lobbying to gain more control of the internet and lessen its open structure.


MarmaladeINFP in this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG51uCrYxVM

Edit: The guy kinda got mad after I responded to him:

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If the government had no control over the internet, a monopoly would have control over the internet. If you don't understand that, your blindness to reality is amazing. Free markets only exist with regulation and effective regulation only exists with a government. Show me an example of a truly free market (fair, just & meritocratic) that has existed without any government regulation at all at any point. You can't. So just STFU!



Correct me if I am wrong, but I sure as hell don't remember reading about the telephone being a monopolized free market service, do you?

OK, last one, I promise:
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The black market demonstrates how monopolization happens without government regulation. The drug cartels will simply kill their competition and otherwise protect their monopolies at all costs. Even though they aren't regulated, it doesn't stop them from bribing officials. But that is just a mere inconvenience. Without any officials at all to bribe, their control would be complete.


Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2010, 04:33:57 PM
"The ATF and FBI have a file on me. If you don't have a FBI file you aren't doing enough against this tyrannical state."-- Militant-Mike1 on OKCupid.

Because doing god-knows-what he did to get that is the ONLY way to help the liberty movement, right?
*facepalms*

Don't get me wrong, this guy is pretty cool.
Damn near the rest of his entire OKCupid profile is epic fucking win.
The vast majority of which I will now post in the fav quotes thread.

also:  w00t!!! :D
Forum's back up y'all! :D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: valvatica on May 16, 2010, 09:21:10 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but I sure as hell don't remember reading about the telephone being a monopolized free market service, do you?

Regarding the Internet, do people purposely forget that it is not centralized? This is not the Internet:

(http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu318/valvatica/funny/1268542243847.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 17, 2010, 04:46:47 AM
Regarding the Internet, do people purposely forget that it is not centralized? This is not the Internet:

(http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu318/valvatica/funny/1268542243847.jpg)

What episode is that? Started watching South Park again couple of months ago on their website and i am still at season 9.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: valvatica on May 17, 2010, 06:29:19 PM
What episode is that? Started wathing South Park again couple of months ago on their website and i am still at season 9.

Season 12, "Over Logging"  :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 18, 2010, 01:40:14 PM
I got someone saying that government is a non profit organization, no kidding.

When asked for an explanation for this insane statement, I got this.

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Government doesn't run intending to make a profit. It uses money from taxes to provide services. Any "profit" (taxes less services provided) should either have been used in providing services, or shouldn't have been taxed in the first place (lower taxes). The government is not there to be making a profit (and this is perhaps why quite a few are in deficit right now)

Why yes, this person IS British.  How did you guess?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 18, 2010, 02:59:02 PM
Did you explain to him that even a non-profit has to worry about staying in the black?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 18, 2010, 05:36:04 PM
I'll be sure and bring that up but he'll probably just quote the twit who said debt is essential for a healthy economy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 19, 2010, 08:40:31 PM
"Nobody's granting anything on behalf of anyone else. YOU choose to live where you do, therefore YOU accept the contract.. Nothing to do with rape or any such nonsense.
No, I don't agree with everything my government does. This is the third time I've explained that those who believe in government don't believe that government can do no wrong. It's a Libby strawman. " - Our old friend Billburns on youtube

Some days, it's just too easy...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2010, 11:25:41 AM
"No, it's not.
Libertarians seem to have trouble figuring out the difference between having a CHOICE to leave and being OBLIGED to leave."--Billburns yet again.
In response to me saying that the "social contract" is the leave-it-or-leave-it argument.

Man this guy is a tool.
Why he considers himself an Anarchist I'll never know.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2010, 11:27:23 AM
"1. ..and as an adult you can choose where you live - house, town, region, COUNTRY
2. Who said choices had to be easy? TANSTAAFL
3. You need to make the choice that is best for you. Obviously Canada ain't because you whine about it. Nobody is obliged to supply you with something just because you want it. That's not how the free market works.
4. You can accept the concept of social contract and still disagree with everything your government does. They're not not mutually exclusive"--billburns again.

I like how he's trying to use Libertarian memes (TANSTAAFL) and others to try and be ironic and play the gottcha game.
What a tool.

"Truth Warrior
Debunker of bullshit.
Slayer of Libertarians"--The idiot's profile page
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 20, 2010, 02:01:36 PM
Why he considers himself an Anarchist I'll never know.

Because he is a communist. Communism is ultimately supposed be anarchism, where people just naturally act as a social collective.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 20, 2010, 02:38:51 PM
Because he is a communist. Communism is ultimately supposed be anarchism, where people just naturally act as a social collective.

Yeah; anyone else remember that Oingo Boingo song "Perfect System"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on May 20, 2010, 03:37:18 PM
No, how did that one go?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2010, 05:56:53 PM
No, how did that one go?

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 20, 2010, 08:31:52 PM
Nightmare060 makes a fool of himself.  He asked for sources, I gave him Stefan Molyneux's exhaustive study of public healthcare as well as many others and I got this

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So first of all, you are making a no true scotsman logical falacy in that it can't be "True" freemarket unless it's totaly unregulated.

Do you HONESTLY think that having doctors be lisenced so you know that they know what the fuck they are doing? If there were no regulations, any old person could come off the street, claim to be a doctor and sell snake oil to any person that doesn't know the difference.

You may as well throw out the ENTIER scientific method because people die while waiting. But get this; If we let drugs be unregulated, theres a thing called the BLACK MARKET! This will kill more people with fake medecine since there are those who only care about the money.

I never stated there was no regulation to begin with. You are putting words in my mouth. I am saying that social regulations need to be there because of the deceptive people who care more about money or religon than actualy helping people or science. You may as well allow faith healing hopsitals, as they would come without any sort of regulations! I remain neutral on the subject of echonomics because I do not yet understand enough about the subject to comment. And so, I can only comment on the social side of things and the ethics part of it.

If you honestly think that insurance companies, if they were alloud to create manopolies then they can and will deny newborn babies coverage because of pre-existing conditions. And also considering how BP are refusing to admit responsability for the oil spill off the gulf of maxico right now and are LITERALY saying things like "Oh the ocean can handel it, natural oil leaks out more than that", how can you honestly say that free market coperations are honest enough to keep the customers wellfare in mind rather than thinking of their own profits?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2010, 08:41:02 PM
Just reading the first line of that quote, you know he's full of shit.
As Shane has explained many times.
It's a continuum, not a dichotomy.

Also, did you try showing him Shane's video response to FightingAtheist and his pair of videos showing how to fix health care without spending a dime?
Where Shane debunks the claim about the AMA or no doctor licensing false dichotomy?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2010, 09:02:14 PM
Heh.
A reply he made to my comment:

"1: Better to force people to pay a small ammount each month that contributes better overall, than to force them to pay huge ammounts of money upfront.
2: Of course. I know their are charities. I love wildlife charities and wish I could do more to help. But for something as large as healthcare for the whole country I don't like leaving the door open to unregulated for-profit corperations is a good idea.
3: Not if they want to get re-elected."

Translation: "AHHH!! THE SKY IS FALLING!! THE SKY IS FALLING!"
What? He's presented just as much evidence.  Zilch.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 20, 2010, 09:59:18 PM
Just reading the first line of that quote, you know he's full of shit.
As Shane has explained many times.
It's a continuum, not a dichotomy.

Also, did you try showing him Shane's video response to FightingAtheist and his pair of videos showing how to fix health care without spending a dime?
Where Shane debunks the claim about the AMA or no doctor licensing false dichotomy?

No, I lectured and shamed him like the child he is.  I told him that he gets an F for presenting no evidence to back up his statements, his knowledge of economics is an embarrasment and if he honestly gives a damn about the sick, he ought to get off his ass and do some homework on the subject rather than regurgitate propaganda from Micheal Moore films.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2010, 11:08:37 PM
No, I lectured and shamed him like the child he is.  I told him that he gets an F for presenting no evidence to back up his statements, his knowledge of economics is an embarrasment and if he honestly gives a damn about the sick, he ought to get off his ass and do some homework on the subject rather than regurgitate propaganda from Micheal Moore films.
Yeah, I see what you mean.
Honestly, if you've seen my latest reply to him, well, fun fact about that.
I'm just so sick of hearing the same debunked bogosity again and again, I'm honestly to the point where I can't take their arguments seriously anymore.
Period.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 21, 2010, 12:20:43 AM
I don't take them seriously.  I laugh at them and hope maybe I can shame people for believing in such foolishness.

Though on another note...

"Slayer of Libertarians"?  What?  Is he hoping we're going to laugh ourselves to death?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2010, 04:09:52 AM
A few more grim covered gems on Lord T Hawkeye's videos:

Me:
"@Nightmare060
1. And your evidence for this doomsday situation is?
2. Why not?
3. Because that's worked so well in the past in this country, right?"

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1: What doomsday situation? Paying huge ammounts upfront is what you'd have to do in the US right now if you don't have insurance. And there are many documented cases of inusrance companies denying people coverage they desperatly need and making excuses, as well as denying babies because of pre-existing conditions.
2: To large a scale, no garantee that the money will be sustainable.
3: No corrupt poloticians screwing up the NHS thus far :3.
--Nightmare060

from comments on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvEC71m7j4g

As you yourself said, dude, I bet ALL politicians wish everyone was that easy.
And yeah, I suppose I should have known he was from the UK....

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@lordthawkeye
I thought this was explained to you...
Nobody is bullying you into doing anything.
You're here by your own choice. If that wasn't true you'd live somewhere else.
That's the Social Contract.
"Myth #1" debunked.
next please...
--billburns2 on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djYq1fr9fKI

And now a poem/story thingie, by me.  It is called, "I killed a man: the social contract".

I killed a man.
I walked onto his land
and told him if he doesn't pay
rent to me I will make his day.

He said I have no right
to give him fright
unless he can do so to me
"No because I use your money
to provide goods and services to you.
You ungrateful lout.
You have the choice to leave."
"If I did the same to you
would you allow it for true?"

"No, for I claim ownership of this land
and of you, if you disobey, you'll die
you disobedient shrew!
If you want to leave that is fine, go ahead
I don't need the likes of you."

"What choice is that, to act as if liberty is given
and chains the default.
They are imposed, not of nature of her fault!"

"I refuse you
I will not pay.
I urge you:
Go Away."

*BANG*
"Justice is served.
He didn't obey his social contract."

THE END
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2010, 04:41:26 AM
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@lordthawkeye Making no sense I'm saying what will happen in anarchy and you ask why it isn't happening now? Can you seriously sit there, without actually addressing the issues, and make such blatently contradictory statements?
I'm saying in anarchy this will happen.
Then you ask why it isn't happening?
Let me get my spoon.
If there is no force, then the free rider problem becomes more wide spread than it is now. The reason it isn't more problematic than it is now, is because of force
--yytrert on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B3FrISvypo

Note how he's asserted this many times, but never actually bothers to back it up...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2010, 01:44:30 PM
What more needs to be said?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 21, 2010, 07:02:12 PM
Man, billburns2 doesn't know when to quit.

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@lordthawkeye
Once again, you're comparing dictatorships, where citizens have no choice as to who governs them, and democracies, where we do.
The Social Contract entails choice: The choice of who governs you and the choice of leaving the country if you so wish. None of those are applicable in Haiti, Iraq (under Saddam), Germany (under Hitler), USSR (under Stalin) or any of the other extremes that you choose to falsely portray as free countries.
This really is too easy...

What scares and angers me the most about that is that people like BillBurns2 can vote.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/mvp27444/l_cb959ca2996ecf8df49a20767a333a68.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 22, 2010, 03:18:10 PM
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Well you can't tell me exactly how we get to a free market, therefore, it's Utopian just like Communism.
--Some conservative imbecile who just admitted he pays lip-service to free market capitalism, and to "hating the government".

My reply:
1. Guilt by Association.
What, both free market capitalists and communists don't like the status quo, therefore we MUST want the exact same results?
Because obviously there is only a choice between the status quo and "utopia", right?
*facepalms*

2. So I suppose the American Revolution never happened?
Or the period of about 20 years of massive economic and personal freedom after the Civil War?
BASIC HISTORY FAIL
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 23, 2010, 03:27:02 AM
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http://www.thecritui.com/articles/Engle%20II.pdf
Sometimes Libertarians come along thinking that they could somehow have "rights" without also having a state; as if a bunch of private people with hoarded gold who hire thugs to beat people down would not also be a state. As if you could even have things like property and rights without the state. Usually the libertarian concepts of "rights" are really childish and undeveloped, mostly just an instinctive reflection of greed. So I wrote this in part to try to give the tards a better grasp on their dicks, and also to criticize them.
--eric-the-read on OKCupid.

Aw, how cute.  He's trying to think.  ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 23, 2010, 05:30:50 AM
mootheshmoo- The problem with youtube they all seem to be muslims. and very few of everyone else. NO JEWS NO HINDUS, NO BUDDIST and only a handful of Christians. I think that all these muslims are the same person withdifferent usernames on youtube getting paid by some oil rich Arab from the oil we buy from them spreading their ISLAMIC PROPAGANDA to the world and building mosques all other the western world with oil money. That is how EVIL SPREADS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? TO A RARE NON MUSLIM HERE

From the comments on this movie. I've been reading it for a good laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW6t5fgVJoc
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 25, 2010, 04:12:06 AM
"OKCupid's political quiz recognizes the only true anarchy as Anarcho-Capitalism."--that mike dude.

Yeah...which would be nice if they didn't put a picture of the fucking unabomber as the "famous person" for "the only true anarchy...Anarcho-Capitalism".
He's against the people who initiate force and doesn't consider it anarchy, yet it's what OKCupid considers as an example of "true anarchy"?
*facepalms*
They couldn't have used a picture of, say, Murray Rothbard?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 26, 2010, 08:59:05 PM
"Fuckin' magnets; how do they work?  And I don't wanna talk to a scientist.  Y'all muthafucka's lyin and gettin' me pissed."--ICP
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: valvatica on May 28, 2010, 01:43:40 AM
When I first saw the clip I thought that was the SNL parody. My mind was blown when I found out it wasn't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 28, 2010, 09:46:15 PM
"The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the essence of inhumanity" -George Bernard Shaw, source: this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFSoPcD1wAA)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2010, 10:39:54 AM
"@Surhotchaperchlorome And? That video suffers the same flaw. FlowCell never makes a case for why it is not ethical to act hypocritically nor why neo-lockean property norms must necessarily describe the natural relationship of ones self to material things. In fact, he makes an argument that humans are born with inate 'liberty' and yet he never describes how he knows this, or how such a phenomenon can be observed."--TehBANN3D

*facepalms*
While I wish I could show him the comments of that other video by FlowCell, still...
Man, what IS it with so many anarchists and the concept of liberty?
It's one of the reasons I was so reluctant to call myself one.
I suspect he wasn't paying attention when he "watched" the video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2010, 02:13:30 PM
"no, the nazi policies were pretty free in terms of the economy, but the state had a load of control in all the other sectors."--some idiot commenting on Morrakiu's videos
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 29, 2010, 03:29:32 PM
"@Surhotchaperchlorome And? That video suffers the same flaw. FlowCell never makes a case for why it is not ethical to act hypocritically nor why neo-lockean property norms must necessarily describe the natural relationship of ones self to material things. In fact, he makes an argument that humans are born with inate 'liberty' and yet he never describes how he knows this, or how such a phenomenon can be observed."--TehBANN3D

*facepalms*
While I wish I could show him the comments of that other video by FlowCell, still...
Man, what IS it with so many anarchists and the concept of liberty?
It's one of the reasons I was so reluctant to call myself one.
I suspect he wasn't paying attention when he "watched" the video.

Also, I love it when people bitch about a video, "not containing this or that" when the poster only had about half a second left...
PS: before I forget, here's the video I showed him: 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 29, 2010, 07:52:40 PM
coolvideo28, in the comments to this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj9hG91uOoU):

"I dont belong to a Religion I have a relationship with God."

"Adam was the first on earth so No other "religion" as you would call it came first."

In response to ChaseKittens's question, "If the bible told us the universe is expanding, then why didn't Christianity come forth with such a claim before science?": "It always takes mankind an extreamly long time fo Science to catch up with Gods word because he knows everything."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2010, 02:17:18 PM
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@jeepndesert
That is the criticism I've had that no anarcho-capitalist has answered. The mining towns owned by corporations were perfect examples of anarcho-capitalism. These mining towns were essentially a capitalistic version of feudalism. Anarcho-fiefdoms?
I like the ideal of anarchism, but the reality of anarcho-capitalism does seem to be very appealing. How can anarcho-capitalism avoid the failings of the oppressive abuse of power by corporations?
--MarmaladeINFP on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60veZm9ZbyU)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 04, 2010, 03:04:12 PM
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@jeepndesert
That is the criticism I've had that no anarcho-capitalist has answered. The mining towns owned by corporations were perfect examples of anarcho-capitalism. These mining towns were essentially a capitalistic version of feudalism. Anarcho-fiefdoms?
I like the ideal of anarchism, but the reality of anarcho-capitalism does seem to be very appealing. How can anarcho-capitalism avoid the failings of the oppressive abuse of power by corporations?
--MarmaladeINFP on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60veZm9ZbyU)

<NORMAN>Illogical! Illogical! All units coordinate!</NORMAN>
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2010, 05:21:39 PM
"STOP BLAMING SOCIALISM FOR THE FAILURES OF CAPITALISM"--source: http://gl-es.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=41491064600&topic=11931

"Typical American way of thinking. I doubt you have any knowledge of political economy outside of the US. That's ok, most Americans are ignorant about the what happens in other countries. Just as long as they are allowed to continue to buy cheap goods from poor countries with prices set in New York you don't have to know about how the free market and neo-liberalism has pushed more people into grinding poverty."--ubercomrade on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14C-H3W03VI)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 04, 2010, 06:52:18 PM
--MarmaladeINFP on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60veZm9ZbyU)


<NORMAN>Illogical! Illogical! All units coordinate!</NORMAN>

Don't tell me, let me guess.  The only reason the corporations got away with what they did was because the state gave them monopolies?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 04, 2010, 07:27:54 PM
Don't tell me, let me guess.  The only reason the corporations got away with what they did was because the state gave them monopolies?
Well, yes, and let them use the police and national guard as strike-busters. But it's mostly the fact that you don't even have corporations without the state to begin with!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2010, 07:33:19 PM
"free market economics has very little effect in cost to the consumer."--mrgetrealpeople on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAa6dYBwy7M)

@LordTHawkeye:  As Jacob Spinney explained in this video
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2010, 07:48:57 PM
Don't tell me, let me guess.  The only reason the corporations got away with what they did was because the state gave them monopolies?
Even moreso than that.  See 0:54 to 1:40 of this video: 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 05, 2010, 06:17:03 PM
But I digress.  BACK TO FAIL QUOTES! :D

"ABOUT ME AND MY MISSION:
I want you to know, the crux of my mission is to elevate Progressivism and to define the goals and philosophies we strive for in such as way as to be concise, honest and comprehensive. I firmly believe that it is the best way forward for America and that the majority of Americans are actually socially Progressive and marginally economically conservative.

Our voices are muted by the fact that Progresivism promotes social and economic justice and these two points are anathema to predatory capitalism. I believe in and promote a mixed market economy, one in which private enterprise is encouraged and nurtured to promote innovation and progress but where American Citizens are seen as a family. We pitch in together toward Democratically defined goals and programs and protect our valuable resources both tangible and intangible.

Welcome!"--Frank of "The Frank Factor"; introduction on their website.
The same person/people who made this video:
Which is ironically the "Featured Video" on Shane's "What is the Free Market?" video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2010, 03:18:22 AM
"Landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed."--Karl Marx
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 08, 2010, 08:53:23 PM
"christianity led to the rejection of aristotle and the development of natural science via nominalism which was theologically motivated"--some religious woo commenting on Stefan's latest video
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 11, 2010, 02:55:48 AM
I just watched
by Jacob Spinney.
In it he asks four questions to socialists/communists (be sure to watch the video first, or the fail-quote to follow won't make much sense).

Stargazer5781 noted that based on conversations he's had with socialists, the questions Jacob asked in his video would be answered like this:
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1. People would not take out more than they put in. This is a capitalist mentality. People will take what they need and contribute as much as they can because they will value the community as a whole. If they really don't, then I guess they'd get ostracized from the community.
2. People would vote on how much everyone should work, and everyone would work that much.
3. All labor is equal. The labor of the doctor is equally valuable to the society as the labor of the janitor, and they would receive equal access to community resources.
4. The way it works in Cuba is that if something needs to be done, people volunteer to do it because they want to help each other. This is how unpleasant jobs like trash collection etc. are achieved without capitalism. As far as compensation, they would receive whatever they needed.
The community votes on what it needs ahead of time, and the resources are devoted towards achieving those ends as best as possible. This is actually superior to markets because of the impossibility of economic calculation. In Capitalism, entrepreneurs must guess what consumers desire. In socialism, consumers indicate their desires ahead of time and production is directed to fit those desires. Value is derived from labor, so I don't know what you mean by "contributing value".

Stargazer5781 then continues on with: "...and yes, I actually had a socialist use the economic calculation argument against markets once. I almost fell over out of sheer confusion, disbelief, and hilarity."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 11, 2010, 05:14:01 PM
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Anarchists are libertarian socialists and some libertarian socialists are anarcho-communists, you dumbass.
Anarcho-capitalists are not anarchists since they are authoritarians and right-wing libertarians are not libertarians. They are fucking liberals. Term "libertarian" throughout history always meant anti-authoritarian socialist.
Now take that middle finger and shove it up your ass!
--Grindermetalhead being a fucktard.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 12, 2010, 01:12:09 AM
"Again, look at the anime industry and the issue of pirating. Why do you think people download torrents if they have the "I want it, so I pay for it" mentality?
People will freeload whenever they get the opertunaty. It's just a matter of what opertunaty they get.
I would like to see your source that suggests the NHS is responsible for the defacit. However this is something that will have to be delt with as the wellfare of the patiant should be always come first."

To which I replied: Opportunities such as....being elected to office where you are granted the exclusive, monopolistic right to extract money from the whole populace by force and not only get away with it, be praised for it?
If you're actually worried about free loaders, I think piracy ought to be the least of your concerns.  -_-

I think I'm going to name a new fallacy after this.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 12, 2010, 03:19:36 AM
I read that the main concern, for the Japanese publishers at least, is'nt the sales they loose but the fear that they loose their mangaka.
Which I read on an article  here (http://"http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/04/24/publishers-fear-mangaka-not-pirates/").
Also be advised that there are boobies on the site, so mostly NSFW, I think.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 12, 2010, 08:32:23 AM
From what I hear, people who pirate have actually been found to buy MORE than those who don't so his point is even weaker on that front.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 14, 2010, 12:19:01 AM
Ah Rachel Browyn, you keep me in business.

Someone on a forum just had a pregnancy test tell her she was pregnant.  Rachel's reply...word for word was this...

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I'd urge you to think about over-population, how people are destroying the planet and the thousands upon thousands of people who will never be adopted because every time someone gets pregnant, is bullied into carrying the pregnancy to term and has their seed adopted, it denies another potential adoptee already in foster care a home and stable life. Nothing changes for those waiting to be adopted and the planet is further over-populated. Yippee! I do wish people would stop overlooking all the horrific realities of adoption and foster care. Save one child (that never had to be produced but was because...because) and deny another a home – it’s the American thing to do! It's not an argument against adoption. It's an option that may be right for you. I'd just appreciate that everyone stop pretending adopting is just peachy and that women really have no excuse to abort because it's available.

I'd also urge you to keep in mind there is no baby present and it has no sense of consciousness and certainly has no ability to suffer physically or psychologically. These are human cells. They are not a human. If your god or anyone else’s opposes the termination, I assure you they’ll intervene. If not, any just god will understand your reasoning and not damn you for all eternity for making a decision contrary to their desire. The only reason not to terminate a pregnancy is because you don't want to and it’s a terrific reason. No one else's desires should have any impact on your decision and, frankly, no one has any business expressing their desires to you regarding what you do with a pregnancy unless you request that information, as those desires may result is guilt or obligation for you, which no one has any business imposing on you. Part of respecting someone's choice is not imposing one's desires on the carrier. I do wish people would do more of it. And I certainly have no investment in you terminating. I just don't think it should be presented as the evil procedure it's considered by the ignorrant masses. It is what it is, just like adoption and we shouldn't pretend either is something it's not.

Heartless as it sounds, I don't care what you do. For your sake and the sake of anyone else impacted, I hope the decision you make is a rational one, not an emotional one or one you're bullied into making. All anyone should be providing you with is facts. Forget feelings and opinions and beliefs. None of those pertain to you or your pregnancy. We all know there are positives and negatives to all the options, and only you can weigh those accurately as they pertain to you and your life. As long as you do what's right for you, I'm thrilled.

I’m incredibly proud of my family for choosing not to reproduce. I haven’t a single aunt or cousin or sibling who has. Lots of the women in my family have undergone endometrial ablation in their mid twenties. If they’d all chosen to have kids, I’d be just as happy for them. All I care about is that they make the right decision for themselves.

More importantly though: home pregnancy tests are ridiculous. I always have two lying around because, prior to injecting my contraceptive, I need to be sure I’m not pregnant. Otherwise I could fuck up the foetus which I wouldn’t know about until the pregnancy was well underway. I couldn’t live with the idea my negligence had disabled a child. Until I’ve had two consecutive negatives I don’t trust the results enough to inject. At best, a couple of positive results are reason to visit the doctor. They mean very little. While the stupid things are advertised as 99+% effective, none of the bazillions of things that can compromise the tests including human error are taken into account. Over 25% of my results are false positives that I use to scare my boyfriend with. “I can’t handle anymore!” I got a girlfriend to pee on a bunch while she was pregnant until we got a negative result and it didn't even take two trips to the bathroom. My boyfriend has produced positive results. Just get a blood test and/or an ultrasound and some real answers.

I replied how disturbing it was that her reply was basically "Go green!  Flush your baby!" and got this...

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Well, not having kids is the most environmentally friendly thing to one can do. There's no argument to be had about THAT. I'm just crazy-tired of the dumbass argument that adoption is the best option for everyone as it completely overlooks all the incredibly negative outcomes of producing a child, even if you don't keep it and it ends up with a responsible family. It will still have a negative impact on the planet and the people who are denied adoption because it was produced. That's the reality of adoption that no one is willing to face because they're so busy pretending they're doing the humane thing by not terminating the pregnancy.

The fact it's the only environmentally friendly option doesn't necessarily make it the right option for everyone. I'm not THAT delusional.

And I think you know how profoundly hyperbolic the "Flush your baby" statement you made is. I may not romantacise the topic of reproduction and I'm certainly analytical but I'd never condone or promote the idea of "flushing" something that's fully conscious and has the capacity to suffer physicologically and physically, whether it's in or outside the mother's body. I'm just in favour of people not having kids where ever it's desired, even if that means preventing embryos from becoming kids. Embryo =/= baby.

So, how far can anyone read into this before feeling nauseous?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 14, 2010, 04:55:10 AM
You're right!
That person is clearly crazy. She hasn't thought this one through. What to do with the aborted fetuses.
Think of how many people go hungry every day. We could feed thousands with them instead!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 14, 2010, 04:54:03 PM
"@Morrakiu This comment is bs. Libsocs view property the way you view intellectual property. IP creates artificial monopolies which allow for unjustified profits by creating artificial barriers to entry. Same applies to land property. Since an an-cap society would use violence to protect private property, I could simply reverse your argument."--NoMoreSunsets

Which might actually mean something if actual physical property and "intellectual" property were in any way similar...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 14, 2010, 09:17:35 PM
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Pardon me but ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? Do you know nothing of the seventh extinction? Do you even read? Books? Articles in science journals? Anything? Overpopulation is the primary factor in the destruction of the planet. How you can say something so profoundly stupid is beyond me.

What's the Seventh Extinction?  Anyone wanna buzz in on that one?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 14, 2010, 10:08:18 PM
An extinction period is a period where the number of species on the Earth drops by 25% or more. The Earth has been through six such extinctions before, the last one occurring near the Pleistocene/Holocene boundary. Some biologists are claiming we're going through one now, and they call it the Seventh Extinction. There is no scientific consensus for it, though.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 14, 2010, 11:35:59 PM
And I gather there's even less evidence that if it did happen, it's all our fault for being selfish and having children right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on June 19, 2010, 01:42:03 PM
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democratic control cannot be doone by market forces because the rich have too much power. democracy needs equality

first you say true democratic control cannot exist, then it can only exist with market forces

private industry did not create computers, the public sector did.

When you retard libertarians can provide anything other than baseless rhetoric, lemme know

That's xkeltoix from the comments in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLyUeiR7djQ&feature=sub
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 20, 2010, 09:34:44 PM
"The basic point is that the recession of 2001...was a prewar-style recession, a morning after brought on by irrational exuberance. To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that, as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble." --Paul Krugman, "Dubya's Double Dip?", The New York Times 2 August 2002 (He later won the Nobel Prize for Economics in 2008.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 21, 2010, 04:49:20 PM
"Capital is dead labor, which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking living labor, and lives the more, the more labor it sucks."--Karl Marx
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 21, 2010, 10:30:04 PM
"What, exactly is blackmail? Blackmail is the offer of a trade; it is the offer to trade something, usually silence, for some other good, usually money. If the offer of the blackmail trade is accepted, then the blackmailer maintains his silence and the blackmailee pays the agreed amount of money. If the blackmail offer is rejected, then the blackmailer may exercise his right of free speech, and perhaps announce and publicize the secret….

The only difference between a gossip and blabbermouth and the blackmailer is that the blackmailer will refrain from speaking — for a price. In a sense, the gossip or the blabbermouth is much worse than the blackmailer, for the blackmailer at least gives you a chance to shut him up. The blabbermouth and gossip just up and spill the beans. A person with a secret he wants kept will be much better off if a blackmailer rather than a gossip or blabbermouth gets hold of it. With the blabbermouth or gossip, as we have said, all is lost. With the blackmailer, one can only gain, or at worst, be no worse off. If the price required by the blackmailer for his silence is worth less than the secret, the secret-holder will pay off, and accept the lesser of the two evils. He will gain the difference to him between the value of the secret and the price of the blackmailer. It is only in the case that the blackmailer demands more than the secret is worth that the information gets publicized. But in this case the secret-keeper is no worse off with the blackmailer than with the inveterate gossip…. It is indeed difficult, then, to account for the vilification suffered by the blackmailer, at least compared to the gossip who is usually dismissed with merely slight contempt."--source: http://mises.org/daily/2572

Sadly, blackmail, libel and slander are all still initiations of force or fraud.
I also don't like how, in that article, Rothbard seems to conflate negative and positive rights.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 21, 2010, 10:59:26 PM
I think it would probably depend on what the blackmail is about. If it's just about something that's personally embarrassing but otherwise harmless, I can see his point. But not if it rises to the level of a crime.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 21, 2010, 11:30:04 PM
True.

"Sorry ShaneDk, you cant have it both ways. Choose.. no taxes or no fundies. :-P"--Vogter2100, source: 

Would it kill him to actually put this as a response to one of Shane's videos?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 22, 2010, 06:34:29 AM
I don't think anyone could Poe someone and be as extreme as Vogter. Could there be ANY better example of a false dichotomy?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on June 22, 2010, 08:18:33 AM
Either you're with me or you're gonna eat bacon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 27, 2010, 09:09:41 PM
Speaking of Vogter2100;

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Well.. the day a libertarian can change my mind without some evidence of the free markets invsible hand or a religiosu person cna provide evidence for his god or gods, has yet to come. I dont see that coming in the foreseeable future.
--Vogter2100
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 28, 2010, 01:40:20 PM
From some fucktard comment on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF5tAxAmC_M) by Stefan Molyneux:
Quote from: Technocratic
So? Why is coercion wrong? I disagree with the libertarian notion. If anything, coercion is necessary for morality and an important component of it, given that humans are stimulus response organisms that respond to incentives and punishments. Operant Conditioning.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 30, 2010, 06:06:59 AM
(After being asked for proof that the free market is a "failure") "What? Do I have any "data" aka Bullshit to back it up? No I don't. But if you want eyewitness evidence without all the BS feel free to look me up. Or better yet,...look around." --NBAGOATS, commenting on this video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAa6dYBwy7M)

(Hmmm, who else uses this line of argument?)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 30, 2010, 11:29:15 AM
(After being asked for proof that the free market is a "failure") "What? Do I have any "data" aka Bullshit to back it up? No I don't. But if you want eyewitness evidence without all the BS feel free to look me up. Or better yet,...look around." --NBAGOATS, commenting on this video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAa6dYBwy7M)

(Hmmm, who else uses this line of argument?)
Yeah, when I first read that, I died a little on the inside.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 30, 2010, 10:03:12 PM
Update again on Saur's "debt is good" thesis.

As you recall, he began with this gem

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It's testament to how little you understand of macroeconomics and... well, mathematics, that you can believe any part of this. Numbers *do* lie, all the time, because they're badly sourced, and debt can continue to grow so long as potential value grows at the same pace. Which it probably does, in long term trends. little stock market crashes and depressions happen all the time, but on the whole, the world economy keeps getting worth more and more, and debt continues to increase alongside it. That's how a capitalist market creates momentum and profitable ventures. Debt will ALWAYS increase, it's actually a sign of a healthy economy. Of course, there are bits of debt that are rather bad, but on the whole, saying the economy is terrible because it's in debt shows an utter lack of knowledge about how capitalism works on a grand scale.

And then this

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No, because of what I outlined. Listen.

Man has $100. He wants to start a business. He borrows $500 (what the bank will allow based on his existing money), and starts the business. He uses the venture capital to generate profits, paying his debts. He's now worth $600. He could just sit there and continue to make a bit of money, but why do that? he can now borrow 6 times that amount from the bank, so he borrows $3000, and invests it in the same way, growing his business to the point where it can efficiently pay off his debts. He makes the 3000 dollars back. He's now worth 3000 dollars, and why not just keep going? he can now borrow $15000. He is now 30 times more in debt than he was when he first borrowed, but the debt is sustainable because he is worth more. Read my post, I said that

"the world economy keeps getting worth more and more, and debt continues to increase alongside it. That's how a capitalist market creates momentum and profitable ventures. Debt will ALWAYS increase, it's actually a sign of a healthy economy"

I hope this makes more sense with the given example.

When he took offense again at me saying his knowledge of economics is embarrassing, out came this one...

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Misrepresentation as usual.

If you have X dollars you can support 2X dollars debt.

If you have 1 you can support 2
if you have 10 you can support 20
if you have 100 you can support 200

So forth infinitely. So yes, you can 'jack up debt infinitely' but only if your actual capital against which you're borrowing increases in proportion*


* actual proportion may be different to 2-1, depending on productivity and stability.

No, you cannot just increase debt infinitely without increasing your own value at a similar rate. If you have issues with this logic, please explain them.

Just stop trying, seriously...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 01, 2010, 05:56:03 AM
Ask him what the mechanism is that allows debt to magically create capital.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 03, 2010, 02:02:46 PM
"Too Smart For Science: Has the author ever heard of Piltdown Man? Climategate? No doubt he or she would decry any studies to the contrary of the IPCC's as "Funded by Big Oil interests", and yet somehow thinks research grants, fame and government protected positions are not sufficient motivations (let alone the incentives for their backers..) for climate scientists to falsify data, exaggerate or simply lie."--Praetyre here (http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/17927.aspx?PageIndex=1)

Yeah, I would have forgiven him had he not made himself out to be stupid by mentioning Piltdown Man.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 03, 2010, 02:40:21 PM
Link him to my video on Piltdown Man and Potholer54's videos on ClimateGate.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 03, 2010, 02:44:05 PM
I'm considering it.
Here's hoping they don't dismiss you and potholer54 as "too dumb" "too gullible", etc, like the last time I tried doing that.
I think I will though.

Depending on the responses I get, you may end up seeing more from him and others on this thread. ;)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 03, 2010, 03:26:17 PM
Alright...after 30 minutes of fucking fiddling, I finally just gave up and posted the links with a non-formatted quote.
The reason?
Because for some reason, every
single
time
I tried to do a quote the way I did before (and would work), it wouldn't show up in my post.
WTF?
That's another reason I rarely (if ever) post there.
That forum is about as user friendly as Ikea Furniture with the directions written in Mandarin Chinese.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 03, 2010, 03:40:37 PM
Yes, but the furniture looks much more interesting that way when you're finished putting it together.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 05, 2010, 07:49:06 PM
More fun from Saur.  For fun, I sent him Stefan Molyneux's podcast on how academia basically entraps intellectuals by making them have to invest massive amounts of money and time so that they'll be too afraid to dissent lest their investment be for naught.  I got this...

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podcast is a bit rich. The livestock analogy is bunk as livestock have no effort reward as we do even if I concede the society is utterly statist. If they produce more milk, they get no benefit, nor even if they did would they be aware of it. This changes the dynamics of the game fundamentally and renders the analogy extremely weak.
   
    As to how societies control dissenters, yup, pretty much dead on. Of course, the control isn't ironclad and the system still evolves purely because there are, as he says, the poor, the rich, the old and the young who have less vested interest- and even those who are so vital to the society's running that the cost of them speaking up is less than that of getting rid of them. However, I disagree with his complaints that nothing comes of formal academia, as much as I'm inclined to be sympathetic. This might be more true now than it ever was, but formal academia has been a cornerstone of technological advancement and, until fairly recently, social advancement as well through the study of economics before it became widely known. For every Eddison, Franklin and Ghandi there has been a Newton or a Smith or an Einstein. Those who come up with the theoretical basis for improvement almost always hail from formal academia, even if they did not need to- Einstein didn't *need* to become a professor to publish and develop his ideas, but he chose to become one when they were accepted.
   
    For all its strictures and regulations, academia *does* recognize good ideas when they come along. It might be hard for you to understand, but the problem is, there have just been so many that what seems like a good idea to you, has probably been had- and published- and debated- and often debunked, many times before. Anything genuinely new and solid that someone dreams up will get integrated, regardless of barriers.
   
    That's all I can say, take what you will. I'm not really interested in debating with you unless you can show you're willing to be more polite than in the past.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 05, 2010, 08:05:23 PM
I shared my thoughts on it in an AIM convo with him.
My conclusion:  Saur is a pompous windbag with a severe case of Unwarranted Self Importance.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 06, 2010, 08:32:02 AM
He's not an orc by any chance?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on July 13, 2010, 05:14:43 AM
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Quote from: JD_Method;1447368
The world would be better off without money.

Quote from: cazzer;1447374
It wouldn't think it through.
Currency helps maintain a structured society. When it gets out of control and hyperinflation comes about yes that is bad. But if there was no money and everything was free, people would most probably annex certain stocks of items. And end up selling them off. Hence re-building another society.

Quote from: JD_Method;1447376
Couldn't sell them because there would be no currency to buy them with. And if someone takes a lot, just make more. :)

This has to be the dumbest shit I have seen in some time.

I posted Shane's video about money, so I hope he puts his brain back on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 13, 2010, 08:30:52 AM


This has to be the dumbest shit I have seen in some time.

I posted Shane's video about money, so I hope he puts his brain back on.

Obviously JD doesn't appreciate money, unlike some other people I know.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 13, 2010, 09:10:26 AM
This has to be the dumbest shit I have seen in some time.

I posted Shane's video about money, so I hope he puts his brain back on.

What I usually do with people like that when I'm talking one-on-one is ask them questions about how they would make the system fair and equitable. They go different paths, but end up in the same basic place as I point out problem after problem and they modify their system of equity to solve them.

When it's over, I say to them, "Congratulations--you just invented money!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 13, 2010, 12:43:09 PM
I do a similar thing with so called "anarcho-socialists"

When they talk about distributing wealth fairly, I ask them "So if someone ends up having...'too much', how do you fix that?"

When they say who's going to have the authority to take the money, by force if needed, I say "Congratulations, you now have a government."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2010, 01:49:38 PM
In this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paylYrdEIeE)
I saw the following comment posted by Libertarianist:
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While I do agree that foreign occupation is definitely the wrong way and provokes most of the violence committed against us, and that the Jeffersonian approach would work much better. I don't think this would result in terrorism stopping entirely. You CAN'T stop terrorism.

Some of the violence is senseless. Perpetrated by radical muslims who are motivated merely because they feel commanded by their book to punish the infidels.

To which I responded with:  "How much Muslim terrorism in on the books before we starting meddling in their affairs?"

To which he fail-quote responded with:
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@Surhotchaperchlorome  Your sentiment is post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Muslims have always been in conflict with neighboring infidel societies.
The shift in US foreign policy resulting in occupation of muslim countries coincides with technological developments that both exposed western culture to xenophobic muslim extremist and provided them with affordable means of travel.

And muslim extremists don't just attack invading countries. Remember the violence in Denmark over that cartoon?

So how many fallacies and other forms of bullshit can you spot in both of Libertarianist's comments (both of which are the fail quotes)?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 18, 2010, 03:11:49 PM
How about just ignorance of history?

The Barbary pirates WERE Muslim extremists. So how come we didn't hear anything from them from the end of that episode throughout the period when we had a humble foreign policy, only to see a resurgence when we started meddling over there again?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2010, 04:42:05 PM
How about just ignorance of history?

The Barbary pirates WERE Muslim extremists. So how come we didn't hear anything from them from the end of that episode throughout the period when we had a humble foreign policy, only to see a resurgence when we started meddling over there again?

True, but I was a bit irked that he called me question, "post hoc ergo propter hoc".
Does he even know what that means?
His point about the Danish cartoonists is kinda lame.  Last time I checked, Denmark has soldiers in those parts too.
So red herring + ignorance.

I got a reply from Akatam0t0ma which read: "@Surhotchaperchlorome:
Pretty much since Islam started. Starting from the 3rd decade of the 7th century, going through Muslim occupation of North Africa, India, part of Spain, later Anatolia and continues to this very day, even if the tactics changed."

OK, I'll admit I should have worded my question better to regard Muslim terrorism in the USA, but still...
I don't know that much about history, myself, so I'm a bit iffy on his response.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 18, 2010, 05:51:37 PM
So, he doesn't even know that until about the 12th Century, the Muslim world was the seat of all scientific learning. People--including Christians and Doubters (their word for atheists)--came to Baghdad to exchange knowledge and learn from each other.

This is why most of the visible stars have Arab names (like Aldebaran and Betelgeuse), why we use Arabic numerals, and why so many of our scientific and mathematical words have Arab roots (algebra, algorithm, etc.).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2010, 06:13:49 PM
So what Akatam0t0ma says is bs?

Even the equivalent of atheists came there for knowledge? Dang!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 27, 2010, 11:52:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4G-_Ch9YpE

Aw!  That's cute!  He thinks copying me will make him as awesome as I am.  ^^
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 30, 2010, 02:53:16 AM
And speaking of him,


I haven't watched this, but I get the impression it will reek of cherry picking, strawmen, and other forms of butthurt.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 30, 2010, 06:02:42 AM
Just look at the comments, is all you need to do. They're filled with every dogmatist I've ever pwned.

Like, going after me saying that Texaco and Gulf didn't exist in 1890...Geez, like in 500 characters you can be specific enough to say "the businessmen that went on to found Texaco and Gulf." One cheap, lame excuse after another--and no response to the substance, which was all of the protectionism that was going on at the time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 30, 2010, 05:23:40 PM
No surprise there...

Another fail quote video:

This guy is an idiot anyways...
Is he not aware of the 20,000+ gun control laws already on the books in the USA?

Be sure and check out OtherJacobSpinney's video response to him; that's how I found Onision's video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 03, 2010, 05:38:25 PM
In red will be the fails, in blue the not-fails.

cx0r: "Maybe if this sinner baby would take part in Christ's ministry instead of wading in his own piss and feces then God would have more mercy on him. The fact is, babys aren't immune to God's wrath, ever heard of SIDS? That is the punishment for unrepentant infants, and you'd be wise to bring your baby into the light of Christ before God becomes impatient with his impetuous hedonism."

TheThinkingAtheist: "@cx0r You're shittin' me."

cx0r: "@TheThinkingAtheist Am I? A baby is the very embodiment of sin manifested in a form so conveniently tailored for acceptance by a fallen people that its existence is nothing short of empirical proof that Satan rules this world. Sloth, Gluttony, Greed, Wrath, Envy all wrapped up in a little package that we pretend is immune to God's judgment. God does not see our age, he sees our hearts, and that baby's heart is full of self serving indulgence. At the very least, a baptism is in order."

TheThinkingAtheist: "@cx0r I can only hope you have no children of your own."

The source: the top four user comments on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rwioe1SGkQ)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 06, 2010, 03:41:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=cFMhMnNZ2YA
Scroll down near the bottom for some fail-gold from Houshalter.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 06, 2010, 03:56:13 PM
See, that's why we can't have nice things here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 07, 2010, 07:18:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX7OqeouQaU&feature=sub

Oh where do I even start...

Added my own video reply since I felt it prudent.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bboqH5u6bo
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 07, 2010, 07:50:17 PM
Well, he does have a point.
After all we all know that two wrongs make a right.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 10, 2010, 12:40:42 AM
NoMoreSunsets: "# 12: Pretending that only libertarians use logic when in fact, just about every single school of thought premises their beliefs on it.

# 13: Acting like economics can only be understood a priori but then turning around and using empirical evidence when it helps their arguments.

# 14: Reduce human action to a strict form of behaviorism where people are nothing more than rodents in a cage who press a lever for a treat.

# 15: Pretend that utility is the same things as happiness."

billburns2:  "@NoMoreSunsets

#16: Thinking that just by telling everyone you use logical deduction somehow absolves you from actually having to use it.

#17: Thinking that Libertarians invented outrage over government waste and mismanagement. Nobody else thinks they are bad or works to stop them or even knows they exist."

Source: 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2010, 03:12:19 AM
"It has become fashionable to say that the republican and democrat party are equally statist, but
that is not true. The deficits Bush ran pale in comparison to Obama's deficits, and the republican
party, in terms of total spending, is not as statist as the democrat party, and it's visually obvious.
And this makes sense theoretically: the GOP is the party of big business. And so they want big
government to help the rent-seeking corporations, and in the past it was them vs. the
libertarians. The GOP views the state as a means to an end: the enrichment of corporations. The
democrats view the state as the enabler of positive change in itself." -Fringeelements, "For an Emergent Governance", page 159.

Time sensitive cherry picking bullshit.
At their time, the Bush deficits were the biggest.
At their time, the Reagan deficits were the biggest.
At their time, the Obama deficits are now the biggest.

Wait 4 - 8 years.
Regardless of who gets elected, that president will have the biggest deficit of his time, setting new records, like damn near ever other president we've had.

Also:  http://mises.org/daily/895 ("Republicans and Big Government" by James Ostrowski)

And let's not even get started on Lincoln.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2010, 03:17:05 AM
"And so the prime opponent today of the movement are the socialists. Now if you believe there are
no socialists, lets take a look at the 10 planks of the communist manifesto:
1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.
The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property
taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
The 16th amendment, The Social Security Act of 1936" -Fringeelements, "For an Emergent Governance", page 159. (Emphasis added by me)

Hoo boy, more of this "Red Amendment crap"
This is the third or fourth time I've seen people bring up the 14th amendment as socialist.
Ever single time, they never provide any evidence for the claim, they merely assert it.

As for the Social Security Act of 1936, correct me if I'm wrong, but was that also a flat tax when it started?
Also, last time I checked, it takes money from those who are still working and young, and gives it to the state, and to some old people --the wealthiest demo-graph by age.
Those things may have been different then for the SS Act of 1936, but then why did he use the word today like that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 11, 2010, 06:49:02 AM
It still is flat (albeit at 15+%), and regressive to boot since you stop paying it once you make over something like $80k/year.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 11, 2010, 09:28:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE9PkClweJc&feature=sub    More reasons why state unions make me ill.

I mean it's not rocket science!  If I'm dying and there's some med that might save me or might not, shouldn't I be allowed to take that risk?  I mean, it IS my life in case that slipped everyone's minds!  -_-
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 11, 2010, 10:03:48 AM
Where did you get that idea? It's not YOUR life, it's the state's life! Now, don't you have some genuflecting to do?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2010, 02:47:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE9PkClweJc&feature=sub    More reasons why state unions make me ill.

I mean it's not rocket science!  If I'm dying and there's some med that might save me or might not, shouldn't I be allowed to take that risk?  I mean, it IS my life in case that slipped everyone's minds!  -_-

Who else felt like vomiting because of the union workers by the end of that video?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 11, 2010, 02:52:47 PM
I felt like vomiting ON the union workers. Is that close enough?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2010, 02:59:13 PM
That's even better.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 12, 2010, 09:32:33 PM
"Capitalism: Known True Evil
1.4 Billion Murdered
Total Killed by Capitalism: 1,439,656,267"--WorkersControl in the comments section, confusing corporatism and imperialism for a matrix of free exchange (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtOtV-gE3YQ)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 13, 2010, 03:34:21 AM
"We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail." --President George W. Bush

"Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born."--Ronald Reagan

"Governor, why wouldn't anyone want to say the Pledge of Allegiance, unless they detested their own country or were ignorant of its greatness?"--Sean Hannity

"A man who won't die for something is not fit to live."--Martin Luther King Jr.

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it.  He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."--Martin Luther King Jr.

"Humans were meant to work and sweat for their money after all. Those that try to get rich quick or live at the expense of others all get divine retribution along the way."--Jet Black

"The thing about fairy tales is... There's always some truth to 'em"--Quent Yaiden

"Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's first law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only truth."--Alphonse Elric
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 14, 2010, 02:25:55 AM
"We [El Salvadorians] call him William Shakespeare.

We [El Salvadorians] respect names a good 98% of the time....

Not like you [Americans] calling the ITALIAN-SPANIARD Cristobal Colón, (note where the accent goes) to CHRISTOPHER COLOMBUS"--Some collectivist dipshit who has never heard of methodological individualism
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 15, 2010, 06:47:51 PM
http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/34219545/#comments  I got a war supporter on my journal.

I really hate this ridiculous "if you can't find a solution, then mine flies even if it's really a step backwards that just makes it worse" thought pattern.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 16, 2010, 08:28:58 PM
Friend-of-a-friend on Facebook: Made me think that God knew what he was doing when he asked the Jewish males to be circumicised.

Me: So, does that mean he DIDN'T know what he was doing when he created the foreskin in the first place?

FoF: Shane a nice two fold plan. An outer sign that also promoted cleanliness.

I don't even know how to respond to that...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 16, 2010, 10:05:51 PM
FoF: Shane a nice two fold plan. An outer sign that also promoted cleanliness.

I don't even know how to respond to that...

I can't even PARSE that.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 17, 2010, 07:02:51 AM
I can't even PARSE that.

Nor I.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 17, 2010, 09:33:00 AM
How about "Bullshit" ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 20, 2010, 04:09:31 PM
"0:40 Hold the phone. Libertarians are NOT consistent on abortion at all. Like capital punishment, there's no clear cut position that libertarians take."--Libertarianist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuBX3TaRi2o)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 20, 2010, 10:19:47 PM
This is a message a friend of mine got on youtube.  I'll let it speak for itself.

Challenge: How far can you get without laughing?

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Wraith you dont know me but this is importent Hello Wraith, charmed to speak with you.
    I'll have you know that I am an Anonymous, a Faction of Trolls we are quite organized. And I could not help but noticed you subbed to two anti-religion channels (ignorant atheist spreading hate on religions, mostly catholic) Why is this important in anyway you may ask, well my "boss" (yes we have ranks) has zero tolerance for anti-religion videos, and you are a quite popular bloke with the Furries, A faction on the internet we Anonymous do not coexist with well. My boss would not enjoy seeing a guy popular with furries starting his own anti religion videos, it could lead to a troll raid.
   
    But I don't think you will make such videos even if I did not talk to you. You seem to be a nice bloke I would hate to have my Anonymous brethren put a bad name out on MSFH. That's why I'm warning you, just in case. Also does your girlfriend like those anti-religion videos as well? Oh how terribly sorry of me, thats none of my business...or is it...
    Anyway if your wondering "Is he supposed to be telling me this?" Your answer is, no I'm not, I'm actually breaking a important Anonymous law right now warning you to not do something that could lead to a troll raid, Why? Well Anonymous love a good raid and they would be pissed at me if they somehow found out I prevented one.
    Your girlfriend, I can just tell by art style of her artwork that she would never seek out to spread hate towards someone or some belief, but that's just my guess.
    You two have been stamped by Anonymous as "Not a large threat" for a very long time and you still are, unless you make an anti religion video, that could put you in the hot seat (also other things could as well, as if you want to know) , but like I said I don't think you would make such a video but! I'm breaking an Anonymous law for you guys to be on the safe side.
    So! Any questions? I can answer them....well some anyway I wont tell you everything I know, I'm still somewhat loyal to Anonymous. Also are trolls who claim to be Anonymous giving you a hard time? I could divert them.
    As I said I would hate for Anonymous to put a bad name on all you work for.
    Believe it or not some Anonymous have souls like myself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 20, 2010, 10:28:28 PM
Not really laughing; sounds like a typical 4channer to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 20, 2010, 11:07:41 PM
I read a few sentences in and said "This guy watches WAY too many mafia movies."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 20, 2010, 11:09:36 PM
Not really laughing; sounds like a typical 4channer to me.
I think you mean "\b\tard".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 20, 2010, 11:19:19 PM
I read a few sentences in and said "This guy watches WAY too many mafia movies."
Oh no!
Now whenever I read that fail quote, I keep picturing being read in a really really bad Italian accent.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 22, 2010, 02:08:40 PM
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 23, 2010, 01:54:09 AM
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I have to agree with you on that one. "The People" are usually responsible for more fuck ups than the government itself.

No words.  No words at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 23, 2010, 02:42:25 AM
Oh yeah?

Who's the bigger fuck up? The fuck up or the fuck up who let's him stay in power?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 23, 2010, 07:02:26 AM
The thing is, when people fuck up, they usually just fuck themselves. When government fucks up, they fuck up everyone else.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 27, 2010, 11:05:22 PM
wizkid2000 has his lucid moments.
This post isn't about those:

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For someone who loves philosophy, you seem to subscribe to some form of scientism. It's amazing how you don't understand how flawed this is."
--wizkid2000 to Stefan on this video:  http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=rfsgCep9INQ
Cue ICP's Miracles: 

Quote
@gradiu3rox

Science is not the only or final arbiter of truth. For example a priori knowledge is true and not scientific. Anyone who understands basic philosophy knows that that god is metaphysical claim that can not be addressed by science.
--wizkid2000 to Stefan on this video:  http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=rfsgCep9INQ
A claim that is meaningless without the real world (scientific) empirical evidence supporting the Austrian School.
Same question as to the anti-Austrians.
If the Austrian School's use of Praxeology is NOT scientific/empirical, how/why did it PREdict all the boom/bust cycles since and including the Great Depression, including the one going on right now?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 27, 2010, 11:15:44 PM
Found some more.
Disclaimer:  I didn't watch the video below (and I'm not going to), so I don't know if it contains anything that would violate your forum's rules, just so you know.

"Here's the problem: all of the people who understand anything about the subject recognize that evolution didn't stop at the neck.

He wants you to cite creationist hacks like Tim Wise, Gould or Flynn.

It just amazes me how people will deny something that is so obviously true. They've fallen for the 'culture', 'education' and 'privilege' mysticism."--Fringeelements,
comment on this video: 
(posted so you can see his comment in the proper context)

After seeing him refer to Stephen Jay Gould as a "creationist hack" I simply HAD to post that as a fail quote.
It simply amazes me how anti-science so many Anti-statists can be.
Also, both of the videos above, are also fail quotes.
Enjoy. :3
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 28, 2010, 06:43:24 AM
And since when is Tim Wise a creationist?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 28, 2010, 08:37:48 AM
And Gould?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 28, 2010, 11:43:57 PM
Not really laughing; sounds like a typical 4channer to me.
In stark contrast to how cracked.com portrays them: http://www.cracked.com/funny-1143-4chan/
Damn, I couldn't get through that.  It was scary, yet, I wouldn't be surprised if (knowing cracked.com ) that is cherry picked, or worse...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 31, 2010, 01:01:31 PM
How many times have we heard THIS one:
"@Surhotchaperchlorome That [Non-interventionist Foreign Policy] is how Hitler came to power. We wanted to stay out of europe's problems. I'm not saying your thinking is wrong, but we can't just stay out of things. We need a foreign policy that improves our image to the people of other countries, not just their leaders."--Pharaoh481 (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=Ww2sASZSh24)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 31, 2010, 01:23:08 PM
Please, not while I'm drinking! Tea came out my nose...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 31, 2010, 03:29:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bboqH5u6bo  I got two annoying ones on mine.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 31, 2010, 05:36:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bboqH5u6bo  I got two annoying ones on mine.
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that "johnny" talks about you making up history, and yet I've not seen a single source in any of his posts?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 01, 2010, 01:01:14 AM
And speaking of Major bullshit, I've been meaning to post this from MaoistRebelNews2's profile description:

Quote
Capitalism: Known True Evil
1.4 Billion Murdered

Second Boer War 75,000
Japanese Massacre of Singapore 100,000
Burma-Siam Railroad Construction 116,000
Japanese Germ Warfare in China 200,000
Rebelling Shia Killed by Saddam 300,000
US Bombing of Yugoslavia 300,000
US Bombing Iraq Water Supply '91 500,000
US Civil War 700,000
Iraq-Iran War 1,000,000
US sanctions on Iraq 1,000,000
US Backed Suharto 1,200,000
Irish Potato Famine 1,500,000
Japanese Democides 5,964,000
Famine of 1932-33 7,000,000
Bengal Famine of 1943 10,000,000
Famine in British India 30,000,000
US Intervention in the Congo 5,000,000
Hurricane Katrina 1,836
Indonesian Anti-Com. Purge 500,000
Stateless Capitalist Somalia 1,000,000
Industrial Revolution USA 100,000
1898 US War vs Philippine 3,000,000
Palestinians Killed by Israel 826,626
Guatemala 300,000
Nanking Massacre 300,000
Iraq (Selling Gas to Saddam) 400,000
Iraq (Desert Storm) 500,000
Invasion of the Philippines 650,000
Feudal Russia 1,066,000
Afghanistan 1,200,000
Iraq 1,300,000
Khmer Rouge 2,035,000
South African Apartheid 3,500,000
Nazi Holocaust 12,000,000
US Aggression on Latin America 6,000,000
Japanese Imperialism 6,000,000
Pol Pot (CIA Puppet) 7,100,000
Vietnam War - including Cambodia & Laos 10,000,000
Korean War 10,000,000
British Occupation of India 10,000,000
Great Depression (America alone) 12,000,000
World War One 16,500,000
World War Two 60,000,000
Native American Genocide 95,000,000
Capitalist Policy in India 1947 - 1990 120,000,000
African Slave Trade 150,000,000

Children Killed by Hunger Since 9/11 235,000,000
Children Killed by Hunger during the 1990s 100,000,000
Ciggarette Related Deaths Worldwide (1960 - 2010) 300,000,000

Total Killed by Capitalism: 1,439,656,267

Yes, he actually blames wars of first strike aggression funded via taxation (force initiated via the state) and people who smoke (drug related stuff) on exchange absent the initiation of force.

Regarding the last three...I don't even know where to begin with those...
Is he really that damn deluded?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 01, 2010, 06:51:39 AM
I'm surprised he came up with such a low number.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 01, 2010, 08:52:02 AM
Quote
Yes, he actually blames wars of first strike aggression funded via taxation (force initiated via the state) and people who smoke (drug related stuff) on exchange absent the initiation of force.

Yeah, tis the usual idiocy of failing to understand the difference between the gun and the handshake.  "Rape = lovemaking, therefore sex is evil"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 03, 2010, 01:25:51 PM
"'Simply put, this is a question for science, not philosophy.'

Science is a branch of philosophy. That's like saying 'this is about apples, not about fruit'."--somecomputergeek in this video's comment section (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=G3UYZcwUEfw)

Three words: Pedantic equivocation fallacy.
It should have been blatant based on the mere differentiation between them that I was referring to Natural Philosophy (Science) vs. Non Natural Philosophy ("Philosophy" aka Bullshit).

Something Stefan and his followers don't seem to understand is that English is not the perfectly-precise or perfectly logical spiel he makes it out to be.
While I disagree with XOmniverse on his thoughts about Molyneux's UPB (I think it's pretty good; what I've read of it so far), and his points about Psychology (crap; citations needed, bro) I *do* agree with his thoughts on Stef's personality.

I've heard many of Stef's arguments against determinism and they are unconvincing strawmen at best...
As I said, this is a question for science, not philosophy.
Google "Quantum Mechanics" and see just how deterministic this universe really is...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 03, 2010, 04:35:10 PM

The above video is also a fail quote.
Reasons: condescending attitude when not warranted, almost nonstop mischaracterizations and butcherings of determinism and weak philosophical arguments against determinism for free will when scientific ones are what is warranted.
And this is from a guy who thinks determinism is nonsense and free will is a fact...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 04, 2010, 07:13:39 PM
Seemed fine to me.  If I have no free will, then why try to debate me about the subject?  It doesn't make any sense.

I view it like nihilism, a "Fashion philosophy."  Just an edgy label people like to stamp on themselves without actually changing one whit about their life or world view.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 04, 2010, 07:19:19 PM
Seemed fine to me.  If I have no free will, then why try to debate me about the subject?  It doesn't make any sense.
THAT doesn't make any sense...

Quote
I view it like nihilism, a "Fashion philosophy."  Just an edgy label people like to stamp on themselves without actually changing one whit about their life or world view.
I fail to see the connection.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 04, 2010, 07:39:40 PM
Honestly Stef's 'arguments' were the determinist equivalent of this (wait until she gets to the Free Will vs. Determinist stuff):


A conversation between me, Shane and a determinist (not a fail quote) -
Shane: "The brain is an electrochemical computer. It operates with the movement of electrons and photons, which are subject to quantum mechanics. Your causal chain doesn't apply to the quantum level; quantum particles are probabilistic, not deterministic. When these particles make larger structures, the probabilities converge on either 0 or 100%, giving the illusion of determinism, but that's not what's really going on."

Me: "@shanedk Not to mention that free will advocates don't think that things don't have causes..." (Spoilers)

Shane: "@Surhotchaperchlorome  Yeah, as if free will means you don't consider the current state of things when making a decision or something. I really wonder what these people think free will means?"

sidewaysfcs0718 (the determinist): "@shanedk so its randomness then ....i see no free will.....

by the way ....the brain's functionality isnt based on the quantum nature of electrons and photons ...neurons send electrical impulses to teachother ..thoose impulses arent randomly timed ...the only thing random there is the simple movement of the current between neurons ...wich doesnt affect the impulse being trasmitted.

fail."

Shane: "@sidewaysfcs0718 NO IT IS NOT RANDOMNESS! Read my post again! Being probabilistic does NOT make it random! If it's random, then by definition all outcomes are equally likely and normalized over time. That is NOT the case with quantum mechanics.

It's ridiculous and arrogant that people are assuming that our human experience of a deterministic universe is the way things really are and QM is an illusion, when all of the data show it's really the other way around."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 04, 2010, 09:30:19 PM
Fail quote:

What more needs to be said?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 05, 2010, 11:21:53 AM
"@Surhotchaperchlorome  show me evidence that airplanes took those building down. better yet, prove to me the US isn't a worldwide bully, a pack of liars, and unworthy of trust in any situation."--hollaboutit, in response to me saying that ThetaOmega's video about debating creationists applies to 9/11 truthtards as well. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VVqL9etvU0)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 05, 2010, 11:06:21 PM

"...raising taxes is not socialist, it is WHY you raise taxes that can make it socialism."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 06, 2010, 08:23:20 PM
I don't remember if I've posted this here or not.  It's even stupider than the above video, and thus, is a fail quote:


I've already gone into great detail into why his video is complete BS, (http://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=500.0) so I won't go into that here.

I suppose I should have expected this level of scientific illiteracy, special pleading, conspiracy mongering, intellectual arrogance and general/outright stupidity from someone who's both an anti-vaccination nutter (see FlowCell's 11 minute video about thunderf00t for source) and a 9/11 truther (see his comments left on JacobSpinney's recent videos on 9/11).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 07, 2010, 11:05:15 PM

Gotta love this.
How cute, the poster is trying to be intelligent. XD
This was found in the favorites of a Venus Project Nutter idiot called "voiceofreason467".
Adding even more proof to the notion that if a person labels themselves a certain way through their username, it's bullshit. :3
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2010, 09:59:03 AM
"@DarkMatter2525

Wars aren't free. Safety, security, and freedom isn't free. Teapartyers are not war hawks, however they may understand its purpose. They dont want to let ruthless dictators and tyrants cause peril and death to millions - maybe you do. They actually care about the world. Imagine if the Allies decided to go to war before 1939; way back when Germany 1st violated the Treaty of Versailles. Who knows - - maybe they would have stopped Hitler BEFORE HE KILLED 6 MILLION INNOCENT JEWS."--OddRobb's comment on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgN9wFNOV_g)

Honestly, what is it with people thinking that Hitler just came out of nowhere and/or from our inaction?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2010, 01:34:57 PM

Gotta love this.
How cute, the poster is trying to be intelligent. XD
This was found in the favorites of a Venus Project Nutter idiot called "voiceofreason467".
Adding even more proof to the notion that if a person labels themselves a certain way through their username, it's bullshit. :3
Also, I find their points about the coincidences to be kinda lame.
What's the proper response to those?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2010, 01:35:55 PM
And the video the above was a response to: 

Also a fail quote I would imagine.
Yeah...references to peer reviewed scientific literature, please.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 14, 2010, 09:37:45 PM
I was going to post something and give it a source, but, I found a youtube profile page so full of bogons I figured I'd just post his youtube profile page and let anyone who wants click away and look at the horrors within:  http://www.youtube.com/lilhavanaboys
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 14, 2010, 09:43:47 PM
Friend-of-a-friend on Facebook: I think it has something to do with introducing the vaccine to the immune system before it's formed and ready to fight. Whether it's trace amounts of mercury, aluminum, adjuvant, "killed viruses," whatever in hell else they put in there, something seems to be overwhelming children's' abilities to thrive. There are a lot more autistic children these days, and their symptoms do look a lot like some sort of heavy metal poisoning. There is something going on here with vaccines, and we aren't being told the truth because there is SO much money involved.

Me: "There are a lot more autistic children these days" No, there aren't. More of them are being DIAGNOSED, because of increased awareness and a greater number of disorders included in the autism spectrum, but epistemological studies show the rate of autism is steady, and has been for a long time.

And I'm sorry, but the money argument makes NO sense. It's less than 2% of the sales of pharmaceuticals, and doctors make very little money from them--certainly a lot less than they'd make treating the diseases they are KNOWN (yes, KNOWN) to prevent.

FoF: Ok, Shane, you are right, there are no autistic children, and vaccines do not make any money for Big Pharma.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 15, 2010, 02:41:15 AM
I am very disapoint.
That reply was lackluster at best. I would've added something terribly flippant at the end like "And the great pink unicorn will rain candy and rainbows down on us all. Yipeee and sparkles!" at the very least.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on September 15, 2010, 09:42:42 AM
I was going to post something and give it a source, but, I found a youtube profile page so full of bogons I figured I'd just post his youtube profile page and let anyone who wants click away and look at the horrors within:  http://www.youtube.com/lilhavanaboys

He is 15, so he has plenty of time to get his brain back on track. I believed in God only 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 15, 2010, 10:07:52 AM
He is 15, so he has plenty of time to get his brain back on track. I believed in God only 3 year ago.
Honestly, that's about the only nice thing I can say about him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 15, 2010, 10:08:26 AM
Friend-of-a-friend on Facebook: I think it has something to do with introducing the vaccine to the immune system before it's formed and ready to fight. Whether it's trace amounts of mercury, aluminum, adjuvant, "killed viruses," whatever in hell else they put in there, something seems to be overwhelming children's' abilities to thrive. There are a lot more autistic children these days, and their symptoms do look a lot like some sort of heavy metal poisoning. There is something going on here with vaccines, and we aren't being told the truth because there is SO much money involved.

Me: "There are a lot more autistic children these days" No, there aren't. More of them are being DIAGNOSED, because of increased awareness and a greater number of disorders included in the autism spectrum, but epistemological studies show the rate of autism is steady, and has been for a long time.

And I'm sorry, but the money argument makes NO sense. It's less than 2% of the sales of pharmaceuticals, and doctors make very little money from them--certainly a lot less than they'd make treating the diseases they are KNOWN (yes, KNOWN) to prevent.

FoF: Ok, Shane, you are right, there are no autistic children, and vaccines do not make any money for Big Pharma.
OMG....That looked painful...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on September 15, 2010, 10:32:29 AM
FoF: Ok, Shane, you are right, there are no autistic children, and vaccines do not make any money for Big Pharma.

"Are you retarded?" would have been my immediate answer.

Also:


Don't really care about the Tea Party stuff, but DAAAAYUM this shit was dumb.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 15, 2010, 11:12:27 AM
I'd say this definitely qualifies as a fail quote:


Seriously, how many times must we debunk that bogus WHO 'study' and those points about state education before people wise up?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 15, 2010, 11:24:17 AM
"Truth Warrior
Debunker of bullshit.
Slayer of Libertarians - especially Lordthawkeye
Pwner of fools - especially Surhotchaperchlorome"--billburns2's userpage (http://www.youtube.com/billburns2)

Don't know if I've posted this, but isn't the last line cute?
He thinks he "pwned" me. :P
If by pwn, he means, "blast with logical fallacies and bullshit", then I agree. :3
And if his plans with Lord T Hawkeye is to make him die of laughter, he might be onto something.

Note that he has a few fail quotes on his page too.
You'll know them when you see them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 17, 2010, 02:12:05 PM

The URLs to the videos being criticized are in the above video's description.

Here's more or less the content of the video above, as stated by a person on Stef's forum (not a fail quote):
"1. Stef is ambitious.

2. Stef confuses performative contradictions and a self refuting statements.

3. Self detonating statements are not a contemporary problem in philosophy, but rather identifying them has been a staple in the discipline since Socrates.

4. Stef has contempt for historical philosophers and a lack of appreciation for western thought.

5. Philosophy isn't boring.

6. Stef has a monstrious ego.

7. Philosophy can exist without property rights because philosophy predates property rights.

8. Stef should have credited John Locke for his property rights theory.

9. Stef does not list any of the criticisms of John Locke's argument in his 8 minute video.

10. Stef does not have the intellectual integrity to consider counter arguments.

11. Attempting to prove a conclusion by analyzing the logical structure of its denial is extremely hubristic.

12. Stef only argued for property, not property rights.

13. Stef seems oblivious to the possibility of other theories of property without rights.

14. Stef's argument is similar to a widely ridiculed argument.

15. Stef is begging the question of self ownership.

16. Stef straw mans the opposition.

17. Stef overestimates the power and scope of his methodology.

18. Stef fails to credit thinkers from which he explicitly borrows.

19. Stef fails to appreciate the history of philosophy.

20. Stef has a grotesque sense of self importance."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 18, 2010, 12:24:41 AM
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 18, 2010, 05:17:49 AM
Hmmm, could use a laugh track and some wacky sound effects.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on September 18, 2010, 10:33:36 PM
"Forgive me, but...

FIRST! =D"

Me on Shane's new video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 19, 2010, 05:41:27 PM
"While you may not agree with the ideological premises behind the program, I feel you would serve your interests best by restraining your arguments to addressing those ideologies. Even granting the idea that the program is fundamentally flawed does not demonstrate in any way that it cannot be improved or that the its premises behind it are unfounded." --LordVith, commenting on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuaG-A6ezMQ).

Yeah, because ideology always trumps reality...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 19, 2010, 06:27:17 PM

He gets MUCH more entertaining hate mail than I do...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 19, 2010, 06:31:25 PM
Well, he IS much more entertaining than you. ;)
Joking!Joking! Eeeeeeh! *runs away*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 20, 2010, 02:03:03 PM

*sigh* I ask Stefan on his latest video if/when we can expect a reply to the above, and my comment was deleted...
I did get a reply from someone else before it was saying, "He did make a reply, but then changed his mind and decided it wasn't worth it."
Man, I'm seeing bullshit tactics from both Stefan AND SR...

SR's bullshit notwithstanding, self-ownership is a fact.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 23, 2010, 12:12:51 AM
This (http://www.scribd.com/doc/37811023/Combating-Online-Infringement-and-Counterfeits-Act) is an epic fail quote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 23, 2010, 02:36:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrLMdnWQsWA&feature=watch_response
The description...just the description. Oh my aching ass. v_v

Quote
:::No Scientific Explanation::: Millions of Seashells apearing every day on Clifton beach, karachi, Pakistan.
Just Last year in March 2009 " Dolphins Beaching " happened here on Pakistani Beaches.
Wat is surprising is that not a single private TV channel has covered this huge Event, No discussion forums on this Topic.
Not to mention there are large numbers of Earthquakes happening all around the world in the year 2010.
My thought is that all these Events are Signs of Great fluctuations in Earth's Magnetic Field...
This magnetic field fluctuation is happening due to the loss of Lubricant of Oil and Gas inside Earth's Crust.
Oil and Gas acts as Lubricant for Earth's Crust Movement. Now that we have taken out so much Oil and Gas. Earth's Layers have lost this lubricant and as a result we will observe much bigger more devastating Mega Earthquakes... just like Grand Canyon(Mega Earthquakes created Grand Canyons)
Electric Cars and Maglev Electric Turbines and Maglev Train, are the way of the future... if we want to save ourselves and humanity and future generations

Someone please tell me that this one's joking... lie if you have to.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2010, 03:46:22 PM
@Gumba Masta: That's joking?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 25, 2010, 03:47:33 PM
"@darkr0astedblend btw i dont require anyones permission to put a bullet in someone :)"--RadicalSyndicate (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=O06acUXAOFQ), showing us just how loving and anti-totalitarian anarcho-communism is...

I will always adore Lord T Hawkeye's statement that whenever he talks with so called anarcho-communists about how to do this and that, it always ends up with him saying, "Congratulations, you've just invented government."
Just like with Shane talking to people who think money = a bad idea, and ends up saying at the end: "Congratulations, you've just invented money."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 25, 2010, 06:36:34 PM

I don't know if Doctor Kent is suposed to be in here or in the crazy thing thread.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 29, 2010, 01:47:29 PM
Aw, geez...


Someone PLEASE explain to Thunderf00t that YouTube videos are audio/visual media! I mean, the guy makes awesome science videos, but personally, he can be a real douche...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 01, 2010, 01:20:22 PM
CognitiveDisonance: "There are no 'unconstitutional' laws. According to Article One section 8, clause 18: (the sweeping clause);

'Congress shall have Power To make all Laws which shall be necessary...'" on the video of Tom Woods interviewing a zombie.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 01, 2010, 05:46:05 PM
It's those damn ellipses that get you every time!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 01, 2010, 05:59:32 PM
I thought so too.
So how much do you want to bet that he's quote mining the US Constitution?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 02, 2010, 12:20:32 AM
Oh, I KNOW he is! Here's what it really says:

"To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof." (emphases mine)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 02, 2010, 12:45:28 AM
*Applause*
Very well put, Shane.
You know that I'm not a Constitutionalist.  However, if someone is going to argue about the Constitution, they should at least be honest about what it says and means.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 03, 2010, 08:58:25 PM
In red are the fail quotes.  Whole conversation posted for full context.

It took place in the comment section of this video:
for those wondering.

Me: "My apologies in advance if I am misinterpreting what you said regarding what you like about Christianity, but you seem to be saying that the reason Christianity got so popular was because of the willingness of the believers to evangelize to people (e.g. going door to door).

Wasn't the spread of Christianity mostly because of their use of force (e.g. Theocracy), and the fact that, most people today are simply indoctrinated into it?
And that if Christianity had just been born recently, that most people would simply view the people proselytizing it simply as nut jobs?

Case in point, Scientology."

Audiofalcon7:  "Is it really Christianity, or the mixture of Christianity by political power? Is it the Christian doctrine itself, or the horrific disaster that comes from the centralization of an idea into a political structure?

Is it school's faults that they are so bad, or the centralization of academics? Is it the natural sciences' fault, or Soviet Russia's extreme desire for empiricism to the point where 2+2 DOESN'T equal 5?

I think the question is essentially...IS it Christianity?"

Me: "Christianity: /watch?v=EEs2PHfKVyM

But then, that's kinda my point...

It wasn't because people "were willing to make fools of themselves" so much so that people were convinced, but because people were converted by the edge of a sword that Christianity got to where it is.

The other stuff in the comment is pretty much a red herring."

Audiofalcon7:  "A red herring to what? It is all roughly the same thing.

I really don't think it is any social institution - such as Christianity, or labor unions, whatever - that are so problematic, as much as the centralization of them to, as you said it, the edge of the sword.

But alas, we're not on polar opposite opinions here. I think we both contend with the same thing. xD"

Me:  "'...as you said it, the edge of the sword.'
Indeed.
That, and the whole social inertia children indoctrinated into it deal, as I initially said.
Ironically, in my original comments, I never said it was a bad thing, just that I disagreed with Stef's points of how Christianity became so prevalent.

'A red herring to what?'
To my point of how Christianity spread."

Seriously, what is with all of the religious apologists in the anarchist movement?
Honestly, I don't even know what his point was with his first comment...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 08, 2010, 02:05:57 PM
"What is free will? I've yet to hear a definition that's coherent.

Specifically, are the decisions reached by a 'free will':

a) Fully caused (no, this would be determinism)

b) Fully uncaused (indistinguishable from random)

c) Partly caused and partly uncaused (like determinism, but with some non-determined randomness thrown in)

I think that exhausts the possibilities. None of these sound like what free-will-ists seem to have in mind, to me.
"-someone commenting on Lord T Hawkeye's latest video

He forgot about the part of our brains being probablistic.

Although something that has bothered me lately: What exactly IS free will?
Is it simply non-deterministic?
Or does it mean the ability to choose, and if so, how does having probablistic brains give us that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 08, 2010, 04:01:16 PM
"So, because you know nothing about a subject, that means it must be random? The reason quantum mechanics makes no sense to us is because we evolved in the macroworld. Our brains weren't made to handle really big things or really small things. Quantum particles and really, really, really small."--Some wanker in this video's comment section:


After reading some comments from Stargazer and others, I've come to the conclusion that the Determinist understanding of Quantum Mechanics is about as good as the Creationist understanding of Evolution by Natural Selection.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 08, 2010, 07:03:46 PM
I avoid the quantum mechanics debate because it's not really my field of expertise.  I find you really don't have to go that deep to demonstrate that determinism is unfounded nonsense.  The determinist says the universe is scripted and I say "Okay, show me the script" and they get ticked at me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 08, 2010, 07:38:02 PM
You don't need to go deep into QM. I'd love to see someone reconcile determinism with the double-slit experiment, or the Casimir Effect.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 09, 2010, 12:39:39 AM
Quote
You don't need to go deep into QM. I'd love to see someone reconcile determinism with the double-slit experiment, or the Casimir Effect.

Can't say I've heard of them before.  Care to enlighten me?

By the way, does anyone think I'm being unreasonable when I say that to be a nihilist, you can't logically correct or object to anyone's behavior because to so is to suggest a more preferable course of action which runs contrary to the claim of nihilism?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 09, 2010, 04:01:28 AM
Can't say I've heard of them before.  Care to enlighten me?

By the way, does anyone think I'm being unreasonable when I say that to be a nihilist, you can't logically correct or object to anyone's behavior because to so is to suggest a more preferable course of action which runs contrary to the claim of nihilism?

Not quite. You would have a hard time calling a behavior unethical by your own personal ethical system, but you could argue that their behavior runs counter to their stated objective, or expose a contradiction in their own ethics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 09, 2010, 06:49:46 AM
And then they drank tea.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 09, 2010, 08:03:52 AM
Can't say I've heard of them before.  Care to enlighten me?

With the double-slit experiment, a laser is shone through two tiny slits, the barrier between which is smaller than the wavelength of the light used. When this happens, instead of getting two dots of light on the wall as you might expect, you get an interference pattern, meaning the light waves are interfering with each other as they exit the slits. The crazy thing is, you still get the interference pattern even when you only send through one photon at a time--meaning that a single particle exists in two places at the same time!

But if you have a detector observe the particle on its way to the photographic plate--even if it doesn't observe it until AFTER it's left the slits--it will be seen to have only gone through one of the slits, and there will be no interference pattern created. It could be either slit.

The Casimir Effect is a way of detecting virtual particles which form spontaneously in a vacuum. Ordinarily, these form in particle-antiparticle pairs and immediately annihilate each other, but with this experiment one particle is absorbed, leaving the other to emit a very tiny amount of energy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 09, 2010, 03:23:49 PM
Now if we could build an engie that utilizes the casimir effect would you get an perpetual motion machine?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 09, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
It wouldn't be perpetual motion, because the act of absorbing one of the particles corrodes the plate a bit. In a sense, it's like taking one tiny particle from the plate and turning it into energy, except that's not really what's going on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 09, 2010, 10:32:27 PM
So you're generating something only you don't.
No wonder all those scientists that somehow got a hold of a deathray and enough juice to power it went mad.
I always wonderd did they go mad right before discovering the quantum principle of generating energy out of thin air or right after it.
I mean, which was the prerquisite of which.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 10, 2010, 08:58:13 AM
Not quite. You would have a hard time calling a behavior unethical by your own personal ethical system, but you could argue that their behavior runs counter to their stated objective, or expose a contradiction in their own ethics.

But then you're suggesting that it's objectively preferable to practice what you preach no?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 10, 2010, 09:07:13 AM
That's an interesting point: a nihilist should should consider pragmatism as no more preferable than any other approach.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 10, 2010, 07:13:35 PM
Which I why I say all these so-called nihilists are total pretenders.

But oh boy!  I landed me a good one this time!  Check this out!

"Your logic is flawed. "Violence" is what allowed for the creation of this very Nation. "Violence" is what brought about the end of the Third Reich.

"Violence" is what put Jesus Christ on a Cross to be assasinated. Thereby,

fulfilling prophesy and making it possible for Believers to even get to heaven.

Yes, Power corrupts. And, absolute power, corrupts absolutely. But,

occasionally, and history proves that sometimes "Violence" IS a nessasary,

and even, yes, a "Good" Thing."


It's just too logical for words!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 10, 2010, 07:16:55 PM
That's an interesting point: a nihilist should should consider pragmatism as no more preferable than any other approach.

I always thought it meant that there were no objective standards by which one might determine a preferable ethical stance and so forth, leaving one free to decide upon whichever standards they otherwise desired.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 10, 2010, 09:47:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mOp2Hg_kVs Proof for determinism.

Well, this approach isn't so much my thing.  Shane?  Anything of substance to be gleaned here?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 11, 2010, 07:05:05 AM
I found it very rambling and confused. Could you summarize his arguments?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 11, 2010, 11:01:44 AM
He could but it would cost... HIS MIND!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 11, 2010, 12:42:51 PM
He could but it would cost... HIS MIND!

Yeah, what he said.  I couldn't stay awake through it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 13, 2010, 10:39:44 AM
Today's addition comes from an unexpected place: My micro-economics teacher.

(Summary, but mostly exact, especially the last line) "Let's assume that the insurance company isn't able to charge higher-risk persons a higher premium. The premiums would then be somewhere around the average price to cover the cost of covering all customers. The lower risk persons look at the high premium they're paying with respect to the higher-risk patrons, and decide that they don't need insurance. When they all drop off, the insurance company must increase its premiums in order to cover its new customer base, at which point the process repeats itself. This is the reason you would see steadily increasing insurance premiums in things like health insurance. I'm not trying to get political here, but this is used as the justification for requiring that all people buy health insurance. Sure, then you get into arguments about whether or not it's right to make someone pay for someone else's insurance, but that's more based in opinions."

Uh-huh. Right. Because apparently there's no value to the shelter from unforeseen risks provided by health insurance, and people are now suddenly clairvoyant to the point of perfectly predicting all future medical costs. Sheesh. This is the first sign I've had that the guy was a hack. If I could, I'd drop the course and take it again from a better teacher next semester.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 13, 2010, 11:37:41 AM
Man, he pretty much ADMITTED that it was because of price controls, didn't he?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 14, 2010, 04:59:54 PM
He could but it would cost... HIS MIND!

I prefer this one.

It's a proven fact: Everything is better with lightsabers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2010, 05:41:21 PM
I prefer this one.

It's a proven fact: Everything is better with lightsabers.

The Light-saber:  The most bad-ass weapon since the flamethrower.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 14, 2010, 07:22:36 PM
The Light-saber:  The most bad-ass weapon since the flamethrower.

Agreed. I present the following as further evidence of the lightsaber's ability to immediately improve any given item.

Let us examine the following; a typical axe deoderant body spray commercial:


It is crude, un-funny, nonsensical, and seems mildly misogynistic to even me, a man who feels that porn continues to be unfairly kept out of the food pyramid.

Now, we shall add lightsabers. I think you'll find the result is a vast improvement:


Agreed?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2010, 08:56:37 PM
Agreed. I present the following as further evidence of the lightsaber's ability to immediately improve any given item.

Let us examine the following; a typical axe deoderant body spray commercial:


It is crude, un-funny, nonsensical, and seems mildly misogynistic to even me, a man who feels that porn continues to be unfairly kept out of the food pyramid.

Now, we shall add lightsabers. I think you'll find the result is a vast improvement:


Agreed?
Absolutely. 8)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 14, 2010, 09:00:34 PM
Back on topic:

"Social Darwinism is based on the idea that Darwinism Evolution should be applied to human society.  It states that societies are organisms that evolve --the strong advance and the weak (mostly poor) people should be allowed to die off, without interference from the state."--My history professor
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 16, 2010, 09:21:33 AM
Thunderf00t: not only has he gone completely off the deep end, he's completely lost any sense of humor he ever might have had:


Sigh...does anyone remember the days when Tf00t would actually refute people's arguments based on logic and evidence?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 16, 2010, 09:26:38 AM
Not really. I just remember the times he picked on the kid with the obvious mental problems (VFX), which I loved by the way. =D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 16, 2010, 01:27:09 PM
Sigh...does anyone remember the days when Tf00t would actually refute people's arguments based on logic and evidence?

And even then he used logic and reason on creationists   ::)

I guess this is why I was never a subscriber.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 16, 2010, 02:32:19 PM

The following are the two top rated comments on the above video as of this posting.

workergirls:  "Peace can only be had when the last Nationalist is hanged by his own flag.
Freedom can only be had when the last Capitalist is strangled by the entails of the last Bureaucrat.
Long live to the workers unity !!!
Death to the fascism, capitalism and racism !!!"

MarxistStudant:  "You as many Americans may try to fool me with this art of manipulating definitions, but you won't.
Socialism => public ownership over the means of production;
Capitalism => private ownership over the means of production;

Neither of them refer to government, state intevention, authority, democracy, republics, anarchy, etc. We may have both with a very complex combination of all those above.

Don't blind yourself with manipulated definitions on eahc system, it is not worth it."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 16, 2010, 02:56:20 PM
And even then he used logic and reason on creationists   ::)

I guess this is why I was never a subscriber.

You know, that just struck me as being kind of perverse: like he thinks the creationist arguments deserve a proper, logical rebuttal, and the comments of other atheists who disagree with him don't. Like he's elevating creationists into the field of rational debate or something.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2010, 10:58:12 AM

From the above video with the fails in red:

Nightmare060:  "I'll only adress the first joke as that's all I listened to. From my perspective, the private businessman would pay the average guy to push his car for him to the nearest petrol station, then drive off with the petrol leaving the guy behind when it's done! Unless of course the government official was there with a cop to keep an eye on him ;).

And on a wider subject; I'm OK with private companies for the most part, save for some important services. With rules of course."

Me: "But what if the cop makes off with the car?"

Nightmare060: "That is unlikley to happen. Unless for a valid reason. I.E; No lisence, insurance etc.."

Nightmare060 showing himself to be a complete tool...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 17, 2010, 11:58:46 AM
People who think that cops are righteous by default are a delusional bunch.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2010, 12:44:49 PM
People who think that cops are righteous by default are a delusional bunch.

That's nothing.
he just linked me to two videos by TheElmoIsEvil in response to the video I linked to him from Stefan Molyneux:



Thereby proving just how big of a deluded tool he is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 17, 2010, 01:43:35 PM

From the above video with the fails in red:

Nightmare060:  "I'll only adress the first joke as that's all I listened to. From my perspective, the private businessman would pay the average guy to push his car for him to the nearest petrol station, then drive off with the petrol leaving the guy behind when it's done! Unless of course the government official was there with a cop to keep an eye on him ;).

And on a wider subject; I'm OK with private companies for the most part, save for some important services. With rules of course."

Me: "But what if the cop makes off with the car?"

Nightmare060: "That is unlikley to happen. Unless for a valid reason. I.E; No lisence, insurance etc.."

Nightmare060 showing himself to be a complete tool...

Weird... All of my comments aren't showing up on the main page.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2010, 02:17:21 PM
Weird... All of my comments aren't showing up on the main page.
It shows that three of your comments were marked as spam.
I don't know why the first was.
I would advise deleting the last two and asking Shane to un-mark the first one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 17, 2010, 02:48:14 PM
It shows that three of your comments were marked as spam.
I don't know why the first was.
I would advise deleting the last two and asking Shane to un-mark the first one.

Huh... I only see one of my comments showing up on the main page. Were the ones marked as spam ones with links to videos in them?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 17, 2010, 03:08:07 PM
Huh... I only see one of my comments showing up on the main page. Were the ones marked as spam ones with links to videos in them?
Yup.  Go to the See all (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=laCYmjUDOvk) comments section to see your comments.
That's how I knew.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 17, 2010, 03:13:40 PM
Yup.  Go to the See all (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=laCYmjUDOvk) comments section to see your comments.
That's how I knew.

Alright. Already done. I linked Nightgown060 to the videos RaymondDundas made about Elmo. Some of my favorite pwnage videos, and a pretty thorough demonstration why one should never take anything Elmo says very seriously unless it's been verified from an outside source.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 18, 2010, 03:56:48 PM
'if they did, they did so for a reason. that makes no sense. im going to assume your "accident" was either your birth, or a closed head injury, haha!'

A desperate insult from louiscaponecchia regarding Shane's car accident on the 'How to Fix Health Care' video.

I don't think I've ever been more disgusted by a remark in my life.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 18, 2010, 04:06:35 PM
You can be disgusted, but at this point, can you really be surprised?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 18, 2010, 04:19:46 PM
You can be disgusted, but at this point, can you really be surprised?

I'm ashamed to say I was. I've never seen anyone make fun of someone's dead wife for the sake of making an argument before. I mean, I thought I'd seen the lowest of the low with Vogter.

Shane, I commend you for showing restraint here. If it'd been me, I would've been tracking his address and 'borrowing' my ex-marine buddy's service rifle.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 18, 2010, 04:24:01 PM
You really should'nt say stuff like that. For it will certainly come back to bite you, one way or another.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 18, 2010, 04:40:52 PM
You really should'nt say stuff like that. For it will certainly come back to bite you, one way or another.

It's a bit of hyperbole for the sake of expressing the kind of anger I would feel in that situation. Then again, I'm very protective of my missus.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 18, 2010, 04:52:26 PM
I'm ashamed to say I was. I've never seen anyone make fun of someone's dead wife for the sake of making an argument before.

Happened to me all the time over on the Randi forums after it happened. One reason I'm no longer there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 18, 2010, 04:57:10 PM
Happened to me all the time over on the Randi forums after it happened. One reason I'm no longer there.

Wow... I'm just about speechless...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 18, 2010, 06:47:51 PM
Classy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 19, 2010, 11:02:18 AM
Rule of internet etiquite: If you wouldn't say it IRL, don't say it on the net.  The internet is not a magical morality shield.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 19, 2010, 12:36:06 PM
I actually saw some of Shane's older posts and threads on that forum and damn....lost all respect for those forums. Imagine a forum with nothing but Thunderf00ts and Vogters. It was that bad.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 19, 2010, 12:54:33 PM
(Completely unrelated note: would the plural of Thunderf00t be Thunderf33t?)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 19, 2010, 01:00:41 PM
(Completely unrelated note: would the plural of Thunderf00t be Thunderf33t?)

I dunno. I think in this case it'd be more of a title rather than a noun, Thunderf00t being his online moniker. I think in that instance, the plural form would be the addition of an s on the end. I'd get around the problem by rephrasing it as 'multiple clones of Thunderf00t'. =P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 19, 2010, 04:56:50 PM
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/2/0/1/4201.jpg?v=1)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 19, 2010, 08:49:16 PM
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/2/0/1/4201.jpg?v=1)

Um, yeah. That only works if you have lube.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 19, 2010, 09:16:15 PM
Um, yeah. That only works if you have lube.
And are missing the part of the brain responsible for registering pain.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 19, 2010, 09:33:22 PM
And are missing the part of the brain responsible for registering pain.

I can speak from personal experience- it only hurts if you don't use lube, or alot of saliva. If you don't, yeah, it hurts quite a bit. Really, that bit needs to have an asterisk next to it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 19, 2010, 10:53:19 PM
"Communism is good in theory, bad in practice."--People who a) don't know what the word 'theory' means b) haven't read up on communism or c) don't understand basic logic
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on October 19, 2010, 11:30:46 PM
I know I'm going to get heat this one, but...

And are missing the part of the brain responsible for registering pain.

Surhot, for being a total virgin. =P

Sorry! Don't hit!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 20, 2010, 09:50:42 AM
Happy 300th post. :P

I walked right into that one, didn't I?

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 20, 2010, 10:15:28 AM
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 22, 2010, 11:08:23 AM
"ECONOMICS ARE IRRELEVANT!"--James, around the 6:25 mark of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_B-sDrKmWQ)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 22, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
"'Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics.'

Adolf Hitler

'Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease.

Adolf Hitler'"--dex1391 on this video in the comments (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdiD5iC3rno), without any citations
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 24, 2010, 12:04:09 AM
So who wants to bet that those quotes he left in an attempt to paint Adolf Hitler as an Atheist are quote mines?

Even if they aren't quote mines (a huge assumption in and of itself) it still doesn't explain why he spoke of doing "the Creator's work" or something like that in Mein Kampf, his Baptism and the fact that he never renounced it, his public prayers, the belt buckles with the words, "Got Mit Uns" or "God With Us", his constant hanging out with the Catholic higher ups, and the blessing he and the Nazis got from the Pope.  And even if Hitler was an Atheist, it still doesn't mean that him being an Atheist caused him to do what he did.
Him and Stalin also had mustaches.  Does this mean that having mustaches causes people to mass murder?

And even IF being an atheist caused him to mass murder, why don't we see that same thing with people today (to any meaningful percentage) becoming atheists and becoming mass murderers as a direct result?  In fact, what statistics I have been shown shows people of faith are more likely to murder, rape, etc.

And even if THAT were the case, it would still put atheism pretty low on the list of causing deaths.
Environmentalism, from what I can tell would still be far greater in deaths caused than atheism.
I could go on.
All it shows is that dex1391 either missed the point of the video, or more likely, didn't even watch it to begin with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 24, 2010, 12:33:31 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this article belongs in here.
http://www.slate.com/id/2271265/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 24, 2010, 08:12:22 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this article belongs in here.
http://www.slate.com/id/2271265/
Wow! Lots of ad hominem attacks, but if there was an argument in there anywhere, I missed it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 24, 2010, 12:27:21 PM
Wow! Lots of ad hominem attacks, but if there was an argument in there anywhere, I missed it.

From the comments:

Quote
I think this guy is making an admission that rightwingers in general don't want to admit: 
 
"I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible." That seems the basis for the Citizens United decision, and generally the way the new Libertarian-style conservatives have developed their worldview. 
The first time I heard the term "Jobless Recovery" I realized with a shock: These people don't need us anymore. This guy makes it clear he, and by extension the rest of Randian Supermen-In-Their-Own-Minds, would just like the rest of us to go away and die. Historically, the next step is in engineering that outcome.


I think I might die from all the facepalming.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 24, 2010, 02:26:28 PM
Oh, God, I couldn't even get through that whole comment.

As for the article, I got bored after finishing the first paragraph.
It didn't seem very interesting, and judging by Shane's comment, it doesn't sound like it had any substance either.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 24, 2010, 02:43:18 PM
I finished it and it's exactly as Shane said - no arguments whatsoever. Just Ad Hominem, strawman and just general idiocy. "HOLY SHIT HE DOESNT THIN DEMOCRACY IS A GOOD THING ZOMG!" And so on. The guy just acts as if it's some sort of undeniable fact that democracy is the best system ever and that colleges are magic or something, so he just slams Peter Thiel for his disagreements.

There is even this one part, where they mention that Thiel is gay, which didn't seem to be of any relevance whatsoever. It's like the writer tried to appeal to some of the readers homophobia, in a stealthy way.

And btw, it seems this site is from the same fridge as MSNBC...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 24, 2010, 03:08:55 PM
There is even this one part, where they mention that Thiel is gay, which didn't seem to be of any relevance whatsoever. It's like the writer tried to appeal to some of the readers homophobia, in a stealthy way.

Of course.  Because nothing is too low when defending a dogma.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 26, 2010, 05:53:43 PM
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on October 26, 2010, 06:34:24 PM
Please tell me that's a parody...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 26, 2010, 07:38:40 PM
For some reason, it reminds me of Oingo Boingo's "Perfect System."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 26, 2010, 11:54:30 PM
Please tell me that's a parody...
I made almost the exact same comment on the video. :P

And yes, as far as I can tell, it's a real video by a real ministry.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 26, 2010, 11:57:02 PM
Ah, YouTube.
You never cease to amaze me with the shear amount of stupid emanating from your comments.

"@Stargazer5781 Yes, all efforts at pooling resources are highway robbery. Why? because profits are always involved. When that becomes involved, morality goes out the window."--qtzlctl2012 in the comments of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feoOSbgG4p4).

"You're shifting the burden of proof. I don't need to describe why my state is going to protect me for you to demonstrate how a stateless society can. they are two separate issues. And your insinuation that I must do this otherwise my position loses merit is akin to saying I must prove my husband won't beat me unlike the millions of other husbands that beat their wives. It's a loaded question."--qtzlctl2012 in the comments of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feoOSbgG4p4).

"@Stargazer5781 Of course you have no words! you're talking out of your ass!

And along with no words, you have no evidence. Just like a typical anarchist."--qtzlctl2012, same source as the above.  Can you say "Psychological Projection"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 27, 2010, 09:14:16 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this article belongs in here.
http://www.slate.com/id/2271265/
Response from the JREF: http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1120-slates-wrong-headed-attack-on-peter-thiel.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 27, 2010, 09:43:50 PM
Response from the JREF: http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1120-slates-wrong-headed-attack-on-peter-thiel.html
I'm afraid to ask, but is the JREF's response a fail quote, or something posted to add to Gumba Masta's point?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 27, 2010, 10:11:17 PM
No, they tear the guy a new one. Read it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 27, 2010, 11:26:40 PM
I just read it.
To be blunt:  That should have gone in the fav quotes thread.

In it, I also saw an excerpt from the article Gumba Masta posted.
The shear amount of smarmy-ness and snootiness made me facepalm.
I would never be able to read Weisberg's entire article, at least not without vomiting.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on October 28, 2010, 08:31:52 AM
Like I often suspected, there's nothing altruistic about anti-capitalists. They're nothing but snobs.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 28, 2010, 03:23:41 PM

Don't get me wrong, most of the video is good.
It's when he gets to the politics part in the second half that he starts to lose it...
He seems to be implying that a ban = no people drinking it.
I take it he hasn't heard of the war on drugs.
I won't even get into that "we all bear the cost" stuff...

I'm really disappointed in him.
So shameful that he's yet another collectivist hack.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 29, 2010, 10:27:17 PM
This one takes a bit of setup. In this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-cKzzPkz2o), user "tntdeamicis" is getting on my case because I'm so irresponsible telling people to get dangerous, toxic vaccines and so "negligent" because I'm actually pointing out the real-world data showing that car seats don't make children above two years of age any safer.

Anyway, he posted something that was confusing, and when I asked him what he meant, this was the first part of his reply:

Quote
sorry, was driving when i sent it, so i mispelled it.

Sometimes, there just aren't the words...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on October 30, 2010, 03:22:30 AM
Almost as bad as all those people that record their videos while driving.
On the other hand a nice twelve car pile up caught from inside one of the cars would rake in the views. If you survive to put it online that is. Or if someone else salvages your camera and does.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 30, 2010, 01:16:30 PM
I haven't even watched this, but judging by the title alone, it's fail quote:

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 30, 2010, 01:58:35 PM
I stopped it after 1:40, right after he said that it was from "reading too much Hayek" and we had to "get back to Keynes." What???
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 30, 2010, 02:04:11 PM
Indeed.
When have we NOT been using Keynes anytime recently?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on October 30, 2010, 03:02:26 PM
I know! How do they go from "We're all Keynesians now" to "We need to start being Keynesians"?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on October 31, 2010, 03:59:11 PM
I know I'm going to get heat this one, but...

Surhot, for being a total virgin. =P

Sorry! Don't hit!

Oh, yeah?
Well, I raise your virgin quote with this:
"If eve-er-lu-shun is real, where is the sun?"--Me.
:P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 03, 2010, 02:01:46 AM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-lLuL7QAUA&feature=sub  My response to him said it all: So basically your argument is that through the use of coercion by voting, we can produce less coercion?
   
    ....and he still can't understand why I find him so funny?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 03, 2010, 09:29:38 AM
Pretty much everything I've seen on this site so far is a Fail Quote, being presented as successes when in reality they're either useless posturing or more of what's created this mess to begin with: http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 03, 2010, 10:45:40 AM
The ones I saw were just examples of the government breaking people's legs, giving them a crutch, and telling them, "See? Without us, you couldn't walk."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 03, 2010, 10:44:27 PM
I was arguing for hours in this thread: http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=114548 with a user called
Rindill the Red, who is this totalitarian technophile (or whatever you would call a guy who belives in the PC GOD), who believes that we should have a one world government ruled by an AI that works on nothing but logic. He has all sorts of crazy things to say, but at the end was the worst (for me at least):

Him: Just because we don't NEED a one world government doesn't mean we won't be better off WITH one.

Me: That's pretty much the same as: "There is no evidence for a God, but that doesn't mean there isn't one!"

Him: If killing me was truly the most logical way to provide for the well-being of every human being on the planet (including me)... then yes, I would still try to stay alive... but that's because I'm human and flawed.

Me: OK, this is it for me. This guy is a religious fanatic. This last quote says it all.
If God (his ULTRA MEGA SUPER AI) said that his death would make it better for everyone else, it would be OK, for he is just a flawed mortal and God (HAL 9001) is perfect and all knowing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on November 04, 2010, 10:16:58 AM
Just out of curiosity... why do you have that sort of discussions on the Eidos forum?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 04, 2010, 02:45:04 PM
"Treatments should be determined by scientists and not by voters." --Gil Kerlikowske (Obama's drug czar) on Prop 19 (California's marijuana legalization referendum)

Yes, but they're not letting the scientists do that, either!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 04, 2010, 04:49:30 PM
Just out of curiosity... why do you have that sort of discussions on the Eidos forum?

Because the moderators didn't close the thread  :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 05, 2010, 07:33:13 PM
Yeah, that doesn't surprise me...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 09, 2010, 04:56:21 PM
This one will need a bit of setting up for the impact.
I made the following comment on this video by Jacob Spinney:
Me:  "'Capitalists Do Not Exploit Workers'
Unless they are in bed with the state. In which case they are corporatists, not capitalists."

To which billburns2 responded with:
Quote
Ah, the old capitalist / corporatist bullshit.
Another version of the "no true scotsman" fallacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 09, 2010, 07:39:22 PM
From the comments on this fun article: http://www.cracked.com/article_18840_5-common-medical-procedures-that-secretly-arent-worth-it.html

[about circumsision]
Quote
Ha Kitsuke, your comment was the only one that made sense. It's more about a child being happy with their life (all parts of it, including sex) in the future. If a kid was born with a disfigurement that would not affect their health but would possibly make others tease them, would you be totally against getting them help to make their life easier? Mysto, I don't have a penis, therefore don't have foreskin. I find it interesting that people are so up in arms about this issue. I have been with a guy with a foreskin before, and I physically was not as excited by his penis as I am by a circ*mcised penis. It is simply a matter of taste. Perhaps there are men who lose pleasure from this procedure, but I have never before heard of such an issue so I have to assume it is the exception and not the rule. Lastly, an uncirc*mcised penis does have health risks attached to it. So let's just say both choices are a risk and in my opinion, circ*mcisions benefits outweigh non circ*mcision.


Lot's of dumb cows in those comments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 09, 2010, 08:37:20 PM
Why did she keep censoring the word "circumcised"? (And interesting that she DIDN'T censor the word "foreskin.")
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 09, 2010, 08:38:02 PM
Pretty much everything I've seen on this site so far is a Fail Quote, being presented as successes when in reality they're either useless posturing or more of what's created this mess to begin with: http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

A nice (and MUCH more accurate) response to this site: http://whatinthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 09, 2010, 08:41:21 PM
That should also go in fav quotes, Shane. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 09, 2010, 08:43:09 PM
From the comments on this fun article: http://www.cracked.com/article_18840_5-common-medical-procedures-that-secretly-arent-worth-it.html

[about circumsision]

Lot's of dumb cows in those comments.

http://www.youtube.com/user/freedom0speech would have it out with her...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 10, 2010, 06:51:42 AM
Why did she keep censoring the word "circumcised"? (And interesting that she DIDN'T censor the word "foreskin.")

It's not her, all of the comments have that censored. It's automatic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 10, 2010, 01:00:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/freedom0speech would have it out with her...

I'm truly shocked that Penn and Teller never brought this up.  So why was the female version banned but not the male version?  Cause everyone knows it's not sexual abuse when you do it to boys?  Bloody pigs...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 10, 2010, 01:12:29 PM
I'm truly shocked that Penn and Teller never brought this up.  So why was the female version banned but not the male version?  Cause everyone knows it's not sexual abuse when you do it to boys?  Bloody pigs...
The ironic thing?
At least one person defending this inequality is a feminist.
The dude's videos go into it, last time I checked.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 10, 2010, 03:20:23 PM
Feminist double standarts are nothing new.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 10, 2010, 07:03:25 PM
"If you like freedom, thank a veteran."--A bumper sticker I saw on the way home
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 10, 2010, 08:28:59 PM
"The current U.S. Health-care system is broken! Why do you free market fundies support it?"--Socialist/Statist fuckwits

Not an exact quote from any one person, but I think we've all heard what more or less amounts to this, no?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 11, 2010, 06:02:41 PM
Quote
It's simply a matter of the nature of claims. In politics, the status quo is usually the default position. If the claim is: "A reduction in government intervention can be demonstrated to increase efficiency in healthcare delivery." then the default position is that it "can't be demonstrated". For every positive claim there is a mutually exclusive negative claim.

Libertarianism is not the default. Specific positive claims must be demonstrated to be verifiable.
--C0nc0rdance to franks2732 in the raw milk video's comments.

Spoken like a true State Cultist, C0nc0rdance...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 11, 2010, 06:31:35 PM
Yeah, it's not as if Appeal to Status Quo is a fallacy or anything...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 11, 2010, 07:09:29 PM
Yeah, it's not as if Appeal to Status Quo is a fallacy or anything...

I didn't see "Appeal to Status Quo" when I Googled it.
I think that might be a fallacy worth adding to the list of unnamed logical fallacies.
As I can't see any way that is NOT fallacious.
It seems like a special version of appeal to common practice.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 11, 2010, 07:17:57 PM
Yeah, it's not as if Appeal to Status Quo is a fallacy or anything...

Also, here was the reply I just posted to C0nc0rdance's comment(Not a fail quote):
"@C0nc0rdance
Appeal to Status Quo.

I'm sorry, but an argument that could be used to defend slavery or nazism as legitimate has no place in the realm of the rational."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 11, 2010, 09:19:25 PM
I didn't see "Appeal to Status Quo" when I Googled it.

Put it in quotes. I just did it and got several results. Wikipedia lists it as "status quo bias."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 11, 2010, 11:03:18 PM
I'm not sure if that's how you found it in Wikipedia, as putting in the quotes didn't much help.
At least I didn't see it on the first several pages of results even with the quotes.
I did put in "status quo bias" in Wikipedia and got results, however.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 12, 2010, 06:35:22 AM
No, put the quotes in Google.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 12, 2010, 11:11:45 AM
No, put the quotes in Google.
I did.
"Status Quo Bias" (at least on the first few pages) didn't show up for me when I put in "Appeal to Status Quo" with the quotes in Google.
I did find it when put in "Status Quo Bias".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on November 12, 2010, 11:39:30 AM
Maybe all your searches for " Nectrotic Lesbian Bestiality with mollusks" messed up your google relevance?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 12, 2010, 11:54:02 AM
You know that comment I posted?
Well, C0nc0rdance responded:

Quote
I'm not appealing to anything, this is a fundamental of critical thinking. The default position for any argument is that a positive claim can NOT be supported by evidence.

In politics or economics, the default is whatever we are currently doing (ie "no change"). If you want to make a positive claim, it will be something other than what we are currently doing. Inaction is always the default (negative) position.

If you want to change what we are currently doing, make a positive case.
--Fail quote

A claim that was long refuted by FlowCell in the comment section of the very video he posted that.
I'm sorry, but I just lost all respect for C0nc0rdance.
He's a statist hack.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ex_Nihil0 on November 12, 2010, 09:05:16 PM
I can't believe C0nC0rdance would be this stupid.  Maintaining the status quo is equal to the claim that the status quo is what is best.  In other words, C0nC0rdance claims that the status quo does not need to be justified by evidence.  How the fuck is this a fundamental of critical thinking?  Oh GOD, the stupid, it BURNS!!!!

Where he misses the boat is thinking that the status quo is the same as inaction.  Inaction of government would be LIBERTY, not the status quo.  The status quo is just the present condition of the state and its policies, what ever they may be.  To say that the status quo is the NULL is to say that opportunity costs don't matter when fundamental critical thinking should tell everybody that they do.  See, this is the problem with statists, they have no concept of opportunity costs!  As C0nc0rdance admits, the NULL of an action is inaction, but this should then translate to mean that the NULL of government action is government inaction, not government doing the same damn thing it has done before.

How could somebody as smart as C0nc0rdance bet this stupid?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 13, 2010, 12:18:16 AM
Statism does that.  If you use statism, you're not using your brain.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ex_Nihil0 on November 13, 2010, 12:30:26 AM
Am I the only Science major on YouTube who doesn't think the State should manage the "little people"?  This is why we have phrases like "egotistical fathead".  My intellect, knowledge and experience does not give me the right to declare everybody else too stupid and too dumb to manage there own lives.  For all we know, people are stupid and dumb because they are taken care of too much as it is!  Nobody gets to feel the sting of their own dumb decisions anymore.  Yet we all feel the sting when the government makes a dumb decision without our consent.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 13, 2010, 12:50:27 AM
Am I the only Science major on YouTube who doesn't think the State should manage the "little people"?
If it makes you feel any better, I'm an Engineering major who doesn't think the state should manage the "little people".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ex_Nihil0 on November 13, 2010, 12:58:01 AM
It does, actually.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 13, 2010, 08:46:38 AM
My intellect, knowledge and experience does not give me the right to declare everybody else too stupid and too dumb to manage there own lives.

This was actually one of the reasons used to justify slavery and segregation: that blacks just aren't smart enough to run their own lives.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 13, 2010, 08:00:58 PM
I can't believe C0nC0rdance would be this stupid.  Maintaining the status quo is equal to the claim that the status quo is what is best.  In other words, C0nC0rdance claims that the status quo does not need to be justified by evidence.  How the fuck is this a fundamental of critical thinking?  Oh GOD, the stupid, it BURNS!!!!

Where he misses the boat is thinking that the status quo is the same as inaction.  Inaction of government would be LIBERTY, not the status quo.  The status quo is just the present condition of the state and its policies, what ever they may be. To say that the status quo is the NULL is to say that opportunity costs don't matter when fundamental critical thinking should tell everybody that they do.  See, this is the problem with statists, they have no concept of opportunity costs!  As C0nc0rdance admits, the NULL of an action is inaction, but this should then translate to mean that the NULL of government action is government inaction, not government doing the same damn thing it has done before.

How could somebody as smart as C0nc0rdance bet this stupid?
(NOT a fail quote. Emphasis added by me)

If memory serves, opportunity costs (in economics as I learned it) was:  If you have x, you can't have y
And vice versa.
So is there another definition to it?
Either way, how does this relate to the status quo and inaction in the way you put it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ex_Nihil0 on November 14, 2010, 03:42:36 AM
There is an opportunity cost because resources spent on particular government actions.  In other words, the money we have been spending and continue to spend on X (Continued Government Action) could be used to spent on Y.  Y would be anything from some other government project to something you spend the money on because your tax burden was lessened by the government not spending money on X anymore.

Does that explain it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 14, 2010, 11:21:42 AM
There is an opportunity cost because resources spent on particular government actions.  In other words, the money we have been spending and continue to spend on X (Continued Government Action) could be used to spent on Y.  Y would be anything from some other government project to something you spend the money on because your tax burden was lessened by the government not spending money on X anymore.

Does that explain it?
I think I've got it.
Basically, they don't understand what me and Shane call the Broken Window Fallacy.
And yes, it's something that pretty much every single person working in a school (college, K-12, etc) that I've interacted with in real life can't seem to get.
The collapse of the state / end of the dollar is going to hit them like shovel.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 17, 2010, 01:57:51 PM
"liberals are selfless, libertarians are fucking selfish" - eugeneonegin09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVPu-jyWvQY)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 17, 2010, 08:59:22 PM
"liberals are selfless, libertarians are fucking selfish" - eugeneonegin09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVPu-jyWvQY)

I loved my response to the guy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 19, 2010, 12:38:30 PM
"The recession is over." --Ben Bernanke on the current crisis, stated at least a year ago.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 19, 2010, 09:15:23 PM
Check out the "DUMBASS HALL OF FAME" on RaymondDundas's channel: http://www.youtube.com/RaymondDundas
Lots of good fail quotes there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 20, 2010, 11:40:00 AM
I had this little run in with some idiot/troll who thinks he's being cute in the comments to this video:

In red are the fail quotes.

Me:  "Solution: Abolish Government."

mrpotatohead34:  "aka democrats :3"

Me:  "And republicans.
Abolish ALL government. :3"

mrpotatohead34: "and hire hungry gorrilla?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 20, 2010, 02:50:52 PM
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on November 20, 2010, 06:34:29 PM
I hate to say this to you but... hungry gorilla has my vote... do you want to make something of it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 20, 2010, 06:49:33 PM
I hate to say this to you but... hungry gorilla has my vote... do you want to make something of it?

You don't scare me. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ex_Nihil0 on November 21, 2010, 02:42:31 AM
Every time I see What About Bob, I imagine his videos are part of some doctor supervised therapy for anger management.  Ugh, neocons make me ill with there caveman logic.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 21, 2010, 10:40:26 AM
On both accounts, good, then it's not just me...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 21, 2010, 11:54:41 AM
"@vspqbd You wouldn't be able to make a positive case against slavery? He's not saying the status quo is good, just that it's the default and we should justify any change."--KaraRvn on C0nc0rdance's raw milk video...
Gotta love the state religion, you know?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 21, 2010, 12:22:13 PM
"Capitalism & socialism are both redistributions of wealth. One redistributes it upwards, the other spreads it out which is why you'll be hard pressed to find either a billionaire or a homeless person in Denmark. Why redistribute at all?"--Proteanview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roGiuuB__Dw)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 21, 2010, 12:26:25 PM
"Myth: Regulation is to blame for unemployment
Fact: OVER Regulation is only one of many contributing factors, simply blaming it on regulation is a gross over simplification of the global and domestic economic situation, ignoring a wide range of factors such as worker redundancy, exploitation of desperate labor, insufficient education for tech jobs, economy of scale, and so much more.

But by the look of you, you're an internet troll."--GodlessInfinity on my YouTube channel.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 21, 2010, 02:35:54 PM
The word "troll" has really turned in to something you say to dismiss arguments of any kind. Kinda like Vogter calling everyone that criticizes him a strawman.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 21, 2010, 04:11:46 PM
Yup.
Whenever anyone seems to criticize Vogter2100, that person will be called a troll, and the criticism a strawman.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on November 21, 2010, 10:05:00 PM
Vogter just saw smart people using the term and figured using it himself would make himself smart.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 22, 2010, 11:49:23 AM
Quote
Yes but we must live in the country as it is, not as we wish it was. There are thousands of laws on the books that address marriage, including tax laws. Rather than overturn each and every single one of those laws, it's easier to add to the existing laws.

The government will never get out of the business of marriage because it is legally binding and impacts many other laws addressing child custody, domestic abuse, military service, and disability just to name a few.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2010, 10:16:55 AM
This one will require a bit of context.

Before reading the comments to follow, I would suggest watching this video so that you'll know what we're talking about.  Or at least scrolling to the scene beginning around 5:20 ish:

As usual, the fails are in red:

Me: "5:57 - True, but the news guy said "Global Warming ALARMISTS" (caps for emphasis) he didn't say that was what the scientists said in that bit."

Desertphile (in response to my comment):  "You are of course 100% correct. The alarmists on the subject are the hysterical fascist nutcases like Glen Beck and FOX "News" obeyers why insist AGW did not happen and is not happening."

Another one on the same video:
"'...misunderstood by both proponents and critics of climate science.'
Proponents of climate change? What, are they homicidal sociopaths?! Who the bloody hell are climate change proponents?"--Desertphile

Though I agree that Climate Change is real, I also agree that the Climate Change alarmists are total cultists about it...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2010, 03:01:30 PM

Someone is in serious need of Stefan Molyneux's book, Universally Preferable Behaviour.
I linked him to it in the description.
Here's hoping he gives it a read.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2010, 03:11:02 PM
Quote
The problem with the scanners isn't nudity. It's that they represent how America always goes for the biggest, DUMBEST, most cost-ineffective brute-force method that the military-industrial complex can buy. Instead of dogs, we have $150K scanners that were heavily lobbied for. Instead of intelligence ops and diplomacy, we have decade-long $4 trillion wars. Obama is a very effective follower of a feeble-minded electorate that seems to like this approach.
--EdwardCurrent's comment on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Pr31H6Wus)
Emphasis on the part that is a fail.

Last time I checked, about 75% of people OPPOSE the war...
In fact, one of the reasons Obama was elected was because he said (at least in some of his speeches at some point) that he would withdraw from the wars...
I hate to break it to the real EdwardCurrent (who is a liberal atheist) but...
Obama LIED to you...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 23, 2010, 07:51:34 PM

This video and every comment save for mine, Morrakiu's, and Apptendo's are all epic fail quotes.

A sample:  "ANTI-FREEDOM?!?!?!?!! I'm some one actually fighting and you call me anti-freedom. You are such an ignprant fool calling me anti-freedom. You should never EVER say that to any soldier or Veteran. You could be killed by saying that!"

Because nothing says pro-freedom quite like death threats.
And people wonder why I'm not a minarchist...
The state military needs to go even moreso than the welfare-state.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 26, 2010, 02:15:59 PM
Major fail...
That entire channel is fail...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on November 27, 2010, 03:26:27 AM
The existence of MaoistRebel just shows that sometimes, even the most ridiculous stereotypes are real.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 27, 2010, 09:53:40 PM
"All libertarians are affluent" - Atticana source (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=Na4XbRSc8II)
Well, except for the ones that aren't...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 27, 2010, 10:00:10 PM
"You have no idea...Check out his channel page for what he calls, '1.4 people being killing by capitalism'." --Me, in my response to FlowCell about MaoistRebelNews2's userpage.
Yeah, I made a fail quote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 27, 2010, 10:11:46 PM
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on November 27, 2010, 10:46:57 PM
"All libertarians are affluent" - Atticana source (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=Na4XbRSc8II)
Well, except for the ones that aren't...

Speaking of which, where's my fail quote you promised? I thought I was going to get a chance to debate someone on a relevant topic without a 500 character limit. Besides, I owe you one for that virgin remark, don't I? :-P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on November 28, 2010, 07:49:37 AM
My question is, where were you when the dead lift was last seen alive?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 28, 2010, 04:45:47 PM
I've split off the side discussion into its own topic: http://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=579.0

Back to Teh Failz!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 28, 2010, 09:49:16 PM
Back to Teh Failz!

I aim to please!

Quote
If he was really "dirt poor" he's wouldn't be so happy. He is in fact RICH and his literally *hundreds* of videos championing the free market is adequate proof of that. Middle class Americans don't eat Sorbet. They eat Sherbert. Likewise they don't use a bidet. They use normal toilets. Buyings Spinney's BS is like buying the delusion that capitalism can save our tanking economy.
--JonPaulDorn
Source: 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 29, 2010, 01:03:51 AM
"Gene variations between individuals is greater than between races, What does 'cascading gene expression' mean?"--Source (http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/7/7d/Emocrat20.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 29, 2010, 06:07:47 AM
Quote
Likewise they don't use a bidet. They use normal toilets.

Um...PLEASE tell me he doesn't poo in a bidet when he travels!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on November 29, 2010, 11:56:26 AM
As long as he does'nt use it to wash his shoes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on November 29, 2010, 04:21:20 PM
Or brush his teeth.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 29, 2010, 10:45:43 PM
Quote from: ReliableInsider
@LordCustos3
There IS actually something worse than tyranny of the majority:
tyranny of the MINORITY.

And there is something better than tyranny of the majority:
democracy.

When the world is full of whackaloons, we need better schools, not 'better' dictators.
Then the educated will see the wisdom of electing non-dictators.
Gotta love the democracy apologists.

The source is from the comments of this video:


Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ex_Nihil0 on November 30, 2010, 02:46:20 AM
Wow, that LordCustos3 quote is so full of stupid, it burns. 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 30, 2010, 03:05:19 PM
Actually, ReliableInsider was the author of the quote.  It was just addressed toLordCusto3, as stated.
Also, I added a source to the fail quote, just in case you want to see it in full context.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on November 30, 2010, 09:16:18 PM

Speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 30, 2010, 09:49:19 PM
The title and video description, not what Tom Woods says, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 30, 2010, 11:42:48 PM
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on November 30, 2010, 11:51:35 PM
Quote from: MadLegit360
For all the free people who still protest, you're welcome, we protect you and you are protected by the best. Your voice is strong and loud, but who will fight for you? No one standing in your crowd. WE are your fathers, brothers, and sons, wearing the boots, and carrying the guns. WE are the ones who leave all we own, to make sure your future is carved in stone. WE are the ones who fight and die. WE may not be able to save the world, well at least we try. WE walked the paths to where we are at, and want no other choice than that. So when YOU rally your group to complain, take a look in the back of your brain. In order for that flag you love to fly, wars must be fought, and young men must die. We came here to fight for the ones we hold dear, if that's not respected, we would rather stay here. So please put down your signs, and pray for those behind enemy lines. When the conflict is over and all is well, BE THANKFUL WE CHOSE TO GO THROUGH HELL!

Quote from: NARproductions
You are a miserable creature who has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than yourself. Many men have died for your right to say what you want, and you cant even show a shred of respect for them, you even dare mock them. Think real hard about the freedoms you have and how many sons, daughters, fathers, and mothers died so that you can have them. I plan to join the Marine Corps here soon, and I will keep in my mind the fact i'm putting my life on the line everyday, living through hell, so that you may go on the internet and call me and my fellow soldiers "Pocket queens", and I'll gladly do it. You're welcome

Gotta love patriotic/nationalistic retards.
I swear, the more I listen to people who support or are in the army (and stories about them), the more they sound like members of the mafia.

Found those quotes on this YouTube user page: http://www.youtube.com/vspqbd
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 01, 2010, 12:34:10 AM
One is a Halo tard and the other one is a Modern Warfare tard. Speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on December 01, 2010, 01:34:05 AM
Gotta love patriotic/nationalistic retards.
I swear, the more I listen to people who support or are in the army (and stories about them), the more they sound like members of the mafia.

Found those quotes on this YouTube user page: http://www.youtube.com/vspqbd

I'm just pondering how much I'm willing to bet the above posters are simply fans of the aforementioned video games/the armed forces and aren't actually in the military? I mean, personally, I've never run into someone with that attitude who was actually IN the military, but that may just be me. 2 of the 3 ex-marines I know are tournament-level 'Magic the Gathering' players, and the third a philosophy teacher. The army guys are all regular department heads at various anime conventions, and their specializations usually weren't combat-centric (Satellite communications (don't remember technical term), field medic, etc), except for one who was an MP, and even he doesn't have that kind of attitude. He is a little bit... off-kilter, though. And he's obsessed with furries. Once lobbed an apple core at one during a convention from three stories up.

What was I talking about?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 01, 2010, 07:13:23 AM
Gotta love patriotic/nationalistic retards.

Right, as if you can't be free unless some other people have committed acts of violent aggression against people you've never even met.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ex_Nihil0 on December 01, 2010, 02:18:10 PM
Right, as if you can't be free unless some other people have committed acts of violent aggression against people you've never even met.


Which begs the question, why are Libertarians and Anarchists on YouTube suddenly turning towards nationalism?  I think you all know of which individuals I speak.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 01, 2010, 09:13:34 PM
Which begs the question, why are Libertarians and Anarchists on YouTube suddenly turning towards nationalism?  I think you all know of which individuals I speak.
Being a moral nihilist seems to have that effect on people...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 01, 2010, 09:14:59 PM
"@vspqbd Being rational is even a part of the status quo giving the society." - HybridD91 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QuduG4CCyc)
I couldn't even PARSE that...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 01, 2010, 11:50:39 PM
Quote from: dragonguitar777
@supersmash43 show me one place in the Bible that demo[n]strate God's abuse of power. God IS love; there is nothing He does that contradicts His nature, or else He would cease to be God.
- source (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65y4smgn6hI)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 02, 2010, 11:50:03 PM
"@DutchsMaria - , according to the constitution, congress' vote and the president's signature, absolutely makes it constitutional

you don't seem to understand law very well"--sfiorare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh5oKTY9PoY)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 03, 2010, 06:02:04 AM
And that's where in Article V?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 03, 2010, 06:56:32 AM
Right under the section dealing with prohibiting dead cats stuffed with popcorn to run for a official office.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 03, 2010, 02:29:14 PM

A fail quote because they associate that stuff with capitalism.
Now, if they called him, "Captain Corporatism", it would have been a Win Quote. :3
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 03, 2010, 03:17:00 PM

A fail quote because they associate that stuff with capitalism.
Now, if they called him, "Captain Corporatism", it would have been a Win Quote. :3

That beginning was really ironic to me, because eagleeye1975 argued a couple of months back with a socialist friend of his, and she argued for what the captain was saying. But instead of that little boy right there, it was the rich people that were hoarding their money and crippling our economy by not spending.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 03, 2010, 08:30:37 PM
From the comments of this video:

As usual, the fails are in red.

nolan067:  this video is pure hilarious, but really, alex is a genius so go fuck yourself.

Me: "'alex is a genius'
ROFLMAO!
Cool story, bro. :P"

nolan067:  "he is and you know it, he is a leader and your a troll."

Me:  " /watch?v=IBdSl7yeIiw "

In another thread with this Alextard:

Me:  "I wouldn't be surprised if Alex Jones honestly thinks this."

nolan067:  "your an idiot, alex jones is on the ball 99.9% of the time."

Me:  " /watch?v=IBdSl7yeIiw "

nolan067:  "pure hilarous, but sad story, you're still an idiot. You can try to insult my intellect but it won't work, go make some more videos about free markets."

Me:  "You gotta be shitting me."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 04, 2010, 01:42:02 AM
You know, you just could've said "You know who else was a leader? Adolf Hitler!" There you would've had a show stopper AND invoked godwins law.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 05, 2010, 01:47:38 AM
"Now, an army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of crap. The bilious bastards who wrote that stuff about individuality for the Saturday Evening Post don't know anything more about real battle than they do about fornicating."--General George Smith Patton, Jr's Address to the 3rd Army

If Individuality is such a bad thing, had he considered moving to Soviet Russia?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 05, 2010, 03:46:40 AM
Ahh, good old Patton, why could'nt you bastard die for your country... preferably before the war started.
Say, I read this bit that he was in the habbit of shooting soldiers that surrenderd to him, is this true?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 05, 2010, 04:13:25 PM
(http://www.norelpref.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/no-exit-libertarianism-anarchy-for-rich-people.gif)
In light of the mini conversation between me and Shane on the Statism & H0 thread.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 07, 2010, 06:17:19 PM
"Morality comes from God."--Every theocratic, pseudo-intellectual assclown who has never bothered to read the Bible.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 07, 2010, 08:12:18 PM
Well, if you think about it it makes sense. Who has no morals? God. And why? Because he gave it all away.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 08, 2010, 02:57:54 PM
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 08, 2010, 03:43:09 PM

Considering that Bowden thinks that the Earth is the fixed, motionless center of the universe...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 09, 2010, 01:36:04 AM
... You mean it is'nt?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 09, 2010, 10:04:12 AM
Use Ctrl + f to find posts by "B190489" on this video's comment section:

Some of my personal favorites:

B190489:  "Democracy = rule of the majority
Majority kills minority (Probability 10%) = still democracy
Majority decides to prohibit killings (Probability 90%) = democracy"

B190489: "Democracy is the only way how we can organize our common life, while protecting our freedom rights. Everybody has a vote. In the brutal reality in cowboy country without government, people will restrict your freedom rights without consequences like government imprisioning etc. There you have no vote, no representatives.

A world without forces who control others is not possible in a world where you are not living alone in. You have just the choice between Democracy and Dictatorship"

B190489: "No, if you are for equal rights you have to be pro equal pay, pro anti-discrimination laws, etc.
You are against this? So you are no statist and not pro freedom.
Some rights need services. Like a law which prohibits killings need the service of police. No police a valid law. That is what you want, no government force right? lol"


Just to name a few.
So how many logical fallacies can you find in the above fail quotes?

So you see, FlowCell, I can't stand it when Statheists bitch about theists appealing to the popularity of theism while using the exact same fallacy for the legitimacy of the state (Democracy and Appeal to the Majority/Appeal to Popularity).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 09, 2010, 11:55:37 AM
Wait a second, is that the Vault Tech logo?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 09, 2010, 12:58:39 PM
B190489: "Democracy is the only way how we can organize our common life, while protecting our freedom rights. Everybody has a vote. In the brutal reality in cowboy country without government, people will restrict your freedom rights without consequences like government imprisioning etc. There you have no vote, no representatives.

Yeah, and you can't be good without God, either.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 09, 2010, 05:36:51 PM
Yeah, and you can't be good without God, either.

Earlier today I got these gem,
B190489:  "It doesn't matter if god exists, people shall believe what they believe.
The topic was government and democracy. Government is needed to organize our common life. We need rules and laws to shape the society. No government/laws/force = chaos/private dictatorships.
If you all call democracy, dictatorship of the majority, i would prefer it against the dictatorship of a minority. There is no third option.
It's logical people, think about it!"

B190489:  "Dictatorship and Democracy is a contradiction.
Read it on Wikipedia or somewhere else!"

So I guess in his imagery world Hitler wasn't elected to office...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 10, 2010, 01:31:46 AM
"Also the constitution is rather clear in it's allowance of unlimited state power. I suggest you read it again while suspending your preconceptions. You'll see that it is terrifically vague."--Fringeelements (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKdlMNxul_4)
Long since refuted by AHPMB, Shane and Me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 10, 2010, 06:51:36 AM
Yeah, nothing specific at all about that 10th Amendment, no sirree Bob...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 10, 2010, 11:08:07 PM
From this video's comment section:

omegahpla:  "Depends on who's asking and their definition. You mean about spelling, or something monumental like that? I'm not really into it & you're not really into cause & effect, history, economics, or information puzzles so I guess we'll never find true happiness together here on YouTube. Don't be too sad, some times it just doesn't work out."
After being asked if he has anything of substance to say.

omegahpla:  "Yeah, that's called raw theory : ) Not that I totally disgree, but lets see you account for that one."
After being shown proof that wars and state funding hinder, as opposed to help science and technology.

Just to name a scant few.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2010, 01:55:14 AM
Woo boy.
I posted Shane's source and the like about Pintos on this video:

And got this steaming pile of stupid:

hieronomy:  "and the government frequently acts in the interests of the so called ' private sector '
an example of which is the presciption drug teat salaciuosly lapped upon by La
Farmacia ( Big Pharma ).
........and babies arent forced to play with lead laced toys and if they do they ...get what they deserve ?? fucking idiot"

Am I the only one who finds it utterly despicable when people try to use the young ('the children' and infants) as a cheap rhetorical tool?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2010, 02:20:54 PM
Yeah, nothing specific at all about that 10th Amendment, no sirree Bob...

He's also one of those idiots claiming that the 14th Amendment is a 'red amendment'.  Why? He doesn't say.  His source? He gives none.
I've heard another person saying that the 14th Amendment is what makes individuals liable for the gov't debt (again, while calling it a 'red amendment'). Again, doing nothing to support or back up his claims.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 11, 2010, 04:02:59 PM
"2 points:

Fuck with the bull, you get the horns.

Secondly, the citizens were definitively for their current political stance.

Nice anime poster in the background, can you smell your own bias?"--Rangerfury144 on this video:

"Rofl - your ignorance hurts my brain. So because we bombed one country, once, who was a far more volatile poltical state than even the middle east is now. All bombing of all civilian areas is legit. Are you a fucking serious? I'm washing my hands of your down syndrome. See ya."--Rangerfury144 on this video:

"Really? Cause the US wanted to keep trading with Germany after WW I and didn't want strict economic restrictions on them, which is one of the things the Treaty of Versailles did. So in really the economic restrictions were probably negotiated down by the US meaning Germany would have had a worst economy had the US not entered the war."--TRMerc in response to me saying that the Treaty of Versailles would not have been enacted if the US gov't stayed out of WWI.
On this video:

Gotta love nationalist/neocon retards and their caveman logic...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 11, 2010, 05:42:37 PM
Washing my hands of your down syndrome...
That.. that does'nt make any sense, does it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 11, 2010, 07:23:39 PM
When has that ever stopped you before?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 11, 2010, 07:49:06 PM
Look, Shane. If you really want to make a video series where you look behind myths and mysteries, why not look into the matter as of why my bogometer keeps falling despite my best efforts.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 11, 2010, 09:28:52 PM
You just might be forced to accept the fact that, despite your attempts at some sort of reverse verisimilitude, you're actually a pretty cool guy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on December 12, 2010, 12:45:36 AM
You just might be forced to accept the fact that, despite your attempts at some sort of reverse verisimilitude, you're actually a pretty cool guy.

He's the Elim Garak of the Deep Spaxe Nine that is the bogosity.tv forums. Or is that the Quark?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 12, 2010, 03:33:36 AM
How about both?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 12, 2010, 03:37:27 AM
Ayyy.
(http://innocentdrinks.typepad.com/dev/images/2007/10/22/fonzie.jpg)

...just kidding. ;)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2010, 04:48:36 PM
"For the same reason that paying taxes and serving on juries is compulsory. A "free" society is not an anarchy, and people still need to play by the rules of society. In the case of a democracy or other participatory government, society at large needs to have the capacity to actually participate. Since people weren't developing that capacity in their children, it was found necessary to make it legally mandatory."--drKitten on this thread:  http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=193871
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 12, 2010, 04:52:12 PM
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=194639
Filled with fail quotes.
The title alone made me facepalm.

http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=6
Groan.
The titles alone on some of those say it all.
Those threads can't be going anywhere good...

PS: My apologies to Shane if I have accidentally re-opened up any old wounds.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 12, 2010, 05:20:00 PM
I gave up on those boards before I even registered. Or maybe I did actually register  ???
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 12, 2010, 06:19:16 PM
Good thing the JREF is'nt the JREF Message Boards.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 13, 2010, 12:28:11 AM
The saddest thing about this video?
The guy who made it claims to be 46 years old.
I seriously thought a 10 year old made it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 13, 2010, 04:08:06 AM
That... That was'nt a real video by a real person, right?
That was just some satirists sad attempt at being witty and biting and failing at it, right? ...right?!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 14, 2010, 07:00:17 PM
"A person with a IQ of 110 today belongs to the avarage category, Since an an eye-queue of 100 points is normalized to the avarge of the population; because the standard-deviation s=15 points. Since 1999, the eye-queue decreases in all western nations between 3...15 points per decade. Consequently, such a person stood at or below the avarage in 1999. Consequently, he could be used e.g. for simple office works. The eye-queue is NOT a complete measurement of intelligence. Fluidic intelligence- and problem-solving strategies are not accordingly recorded. A better indicator is, how many persons are required to do a particular job - connected to all aspects of intelligence. While in 2001, 1 person could perform a demanding office job in my country, today 3 persons are required - for the same work. Consequently, we can say, the effective decline of intelligence is about 67% per decade. Thus, in 2021, we need 9 people for the fore mentioned job and in 2031, 27 people will be required, etc.."--debrainwasher posted on this profile page (http://www.youtube.com/olokun80)

So who wants to tell this guy that "idiocracy" is not a reliable source of scientific knowledge, or any knowledge at all?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 14, 2010, 07:20:01 PM
Or just mention the Flynn Effect to him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 14, 2010, 07:47:21 PM
"A person with a IQ of 110 today belongs to the avarage category, Since an an eye-queue of 100 points is normalized to the avarge of the population; because the standard-deviation s=15 points. Since 1999, the eye-queue decreases in all western nations between 3...15 points per decade. Consequently, such a person stood at or below the avarage in 1999. Consequently, he could be used e.g. for simple office works. The eye-queue is NOT a complete measurement of intelligence. Fluidic intelligence- and problem-solving strategies are not accordingly recorded. A better indicator is, how many persons are required to do a particular job - connected to all aspects of intelligence. While in 2001, 1 person could perform a demanding office job in my country, today 3 persons are required - for the same work. Consequently, we can say, the effective decline of intelligence is about 67% per decade. Thus, in 2021, we need 9 people for the fore mentioned job and in 2031, 27 people will be required, etc.."--debrainwasher posted on this profile page (http://www.youtube.com/olokun80)

So who wants to tell this guy that "idiocracy" is not a reliable source of scientific knowledge, or any knowledge at all?

Poe's Law
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 14, 2010, 08:19:09 PM
That... That was'nt a real video by a real person, right?
That was just some satirists sad attempt at being witty and biting and failing at it, right? ...right?!

The words you're looking for are "Poe's Law" and no, he seems pretty genuine to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 14, 2010, 08:26:51 PM
Or just mention the Flynn Effect to him.

Or that bullshit unfalsifiable anecdotes are worthless as far as scientific claims go.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 14, 2010, 08:32:58 PM
The fails, as usual, are in red:

Me (in response to this guy doxxing someone):  "@shadowgeyser
Where'd you find all that?"

shadowgeyser: "I also have his phone number and street address. Interested?
Despite youtube's 'rules' what I'm doing is not illegal. It's free public information contained in any phonebook."

And it doesn't make it any less of a dick move.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 15, 2010, 01:54:40 AM
"5% to 6% global plant production decline in the past ten years, linked to CO2-caused climate change. 40% of the world's phytoplankton gone. Corrals bleaching; oceans turning more acidic. 3c to 4c temperature increase expected within 90 years. And that's the GOOD news. Glaciers melting and not reforming means loss of drinking water for nearly 1 billion people."--Desertphile Source (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3vIWD4tAHc)

"The score so far: two studies, one poll, and one survey reported the same findings: scientific consensus about AGW is better than 97%. More than 30,000 peer-reviewed science papers on the subject, by over 600 science organizations world-wide, written by more than 3,100 science teams---- and the best the reality-deniers have is FOX 'news' and a fake English lord."--Desertphile Source (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3vIWD4tAHc)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 15, 2010, 06:11:54 AM
He's talking about Lord Battman I mean Mountbattoon here, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 16, 2010, 02:40:48 AM
"You watch the watchers by voting."--funisverygood
Because nothing says "Fail Quote" quite like a self-detonating/internally contradicting argument.

Source of the Fail Quote is the comment section of this video:
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 18, 2010, 02:42:22 PM
"You want to know how? After analysing a lot of pro-choice essays and comments, I came to that conclussion, you guys think that abortion must be a way of mercy-killing, due to, if the babies are born, they won't enjoy the same benefits as if they're wanted children."--GohanLSSJ2 in the comments to this video:

1) Of said essays, he cited none of.
2) No, the support comes from the fact that the baby is a part of the mother's body until it is born, and as such, the mother has a right to do with as she pleases.  Where he gets this, "mercy killing" shit is beyond me.

Many of us, (Stefan, Shane, Lord T Hawkeye, myself and others) are against abortion. We have just accepted the reality that government prohibition doesn't work.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 19, 2010, 08:26:54 PM
During a conversation with me and my conservative friend (The same one that prompted me to start this thread (http://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=177.0)), I stated this,

Me: "So who do you trust, the people, or the government?"

Conservative Friend: "Heh.  I trust neither."

And yet throughout that in that conversation, he constantly treats government as the default winner...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 19, 2010, 09:00:29 PM
Well they have lots of gun.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on December 20, 2010, 04:07:19 PM
Quote
The internet was built and created around open standards. This didn't happen by accident - but was the result of regulation in the first place. Net Neutrality keeps those standards - so for example a broadband company cannot restrict your bandwidth to only corporate websites.


From the comments:

Is there some truth in this?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 20, 2010, 05:02:47 PM
And from the comments of that same video:

"We're screwed either way. Left to their own devices, ISPs will eventually find some reason to restrict or limit access to certain sites. Even if the FCC's initial net neutrality legislation doesn't include a means to impose censorship, granting them any regulatory powers will eventually reduce the internet to what broadcast media has become.

Any binary choice between government and corporation always results in the loss of the average person to the profit of special interests."--Highest rated comment as of this posting.

Yeah, yet another ignoramus who doesn't understand what a corporation, definitionally, is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 20, 2010, 05:12:44 PM
Am I the only one who remembers when AOL had the lion's share of internet users? They tried restricting content and it didn't work!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 20, 2010, 05:55:39 PM
Am I the only one who remembers when AOL had the lion's share of internet users? They tried restricting content and it didn't work!

It seems you are the only one who remembers this.
Reminds me of the people who think Rockefeller hurt the market with predatory pricing.
When in reality, he tried to do this, and failed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 25, 2010, 02:02:15 AM

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 26, 2010, 01:34:56 AM

(To the Tune of ICP's, "Miracles"):
FUCKING PROPAGANDA, HOW DOES THAT WORK?
FUCKING FALSE DICHOTOMIES AFTER IT RAINS THERE'S ENOUGH STUPIDITY HERE TO BLOW YOUR BRAINS!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 26, 2010, 06:41:53 PM
"Democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."--Winston Churchill
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 27, 2010, 02:28:36 PM
Groan...Another wordsmithing asshole:

ShootMyMonkey: "Your exact words were that I supported a monopolistic gov't and to say after the fact that you only meant to say that all gov'ts are monopolistic is weak rationalization at best.

"Something that free marketeers take into account better."

By saying that it will fix itself given time. That's not really taking it into account at all.

"Why do people in the gov't get a free pass from doing this wrong?"

Nobody says they do. Just that that alone doesn't intrinsically make gov't an evil thing"

ShootMyMonkey: ""Irrelevant."

Only because you feel that it's far more correct to assume what someone else supports is what you think it is.

You also seem to choose wordings which equate freedom with anarchy.

Now, obviously, the ideal role of government in economics would be to mitigate the costs of damning effects and influences (e.g. antitrust laws), though history has destroyed that possibility.To take that as proof that the opposite extreme that no gov't is infinitely superior is stupid at best."

From the comments of this video:  

If he honestly thinks that gov't is NOT a monopoly, he's deluding himself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 29, 2010, 09:16:47 PM

A decent video for the first minute and a half.
Then around 1:35 he makes a nolan-ish chart for theism, atheism, agnosticism, etc, and it all goes downhill from there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 30, 2010, 10:20:09 PM
Yeah, and you can't be good without God, either.

Yeah, gotta love these democracy worshipers huh?
He keeps saying that, "Democracy and dictatorship are mutually exclusive! Check the Wikipedia entry!"
So how much do you want to bet he:
a. Hasn't read it and/or
b. Doesn't understand it.
And even barring that, if he wants me to read it instead of using that as a distraction, he needs to tell me the part of it I need to read, exactly. I'm NOT wading through a several page article just to find that.
Also, if he thinks democracy is the only way to defend our rights and any other way leads to tyranny, he desperately needs to study history...

I also posted a bit about Hitler being elected through democratic elections.
It will be fun watching him try to weasel out of that, or, God forbid, try to defend that.
As I also said to him (not a fail quote), "Your God, Democracy, is a failure. Accept it and move on."

I also sent him a link to one of Stefan's videos on the subject.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2010, 01:32:12 AM
*EDIT*  The crap Shane had to put up with from Global Warming Alarmists from the following video's comment section are the fail quotes *NOT* the video itself.

Shane's debate with alarmists in the comment section about three years ago was also pretty sweet too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on December 31, 2010, 07:56:34 AM
You should see some of the conversations on his Facebook page. I actually enjoy it when he and David Gorski go at each other...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2010, 12:05:00 PM
You should see some of the conversations on his Facebook page. I actually enjoy it when he and David Gorski go at each other...

I actually meant to post Tim's video in Fav Quotes, hence why I just had to edit my above post a bit.  My bad.  It was really really late.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2010, 12:27:12 PM
Yeah, gotta love these democracy worshipers huh?
He keeps saying that, "Democracy and dictatorship are mutually exclusive! Check the Wikipedia entry!"
So how much do you want to bet he:
a. Hasn't read it and/or
b. Doesn't understand it.
And even barring that, if he wants me to read it instead of using that as a distraction, he needs to tell me the part of it I need to read, exactly. I'm NOT wading through a several page article just to find that.
Also, if he thinks democracy is the only way to defend our rights and any other way leads to tyranny, he desperately needs to study history...

I also posted a bit about Hitler being elected through democratic elections.
It will be fun watching him try to weasel out of that, or, God forbid, try to defend that.
As I also said to him (not a fail quote), "Your God, Democracy, is a failure. Accept it and move on."

I also sent him a link to one of Stefan's videos on the subject.

And I responded to his points about democracy being the "well of the people" with "So is gang rape."

And I get this pile of shit:

"How do you want to avoid this? Do you want to prohibit private military firms?

Democracy is gang rape? Are you stupid? Where in democratic the world is raping allowed? Stupid!

There was no problem in the election of Hitler, the problem was, that he ended democracy, the system you hate so much. Oh, you and Hitler both hate democracy? Are you a facist?"

Gotta love this guy. ^_^

I ask him to prove that a stateless society has no law and is chaos, etc.  He uses Somalia *facepalms*
So I give him this:
"You imbecile. Somalia DOES have a government. and it's very repressive. Just try setting up a land line phone there and see just how "without" a government they are. For your benefit: /watch?v=qtGkTRnocZI /watch?v=OBuPECU0_P0 /watch?v=Qk0tlZ2hZiY /watch?v=KDb9pTmSWq4 You fail. And while I'm at it: /watch?v=m-LJ3wZjD4I /watch?v=aBm6U3yzLzI "

And how does he respond to my sources and points?
With this:
"Somalia has NO government, the government rules over 2 blocks of the capital. In fact, no government that rules over the country = libertarianism."

To which I responded with:  "Yes, and repeating your lie doesn't make it true.

Sorry. :P"

Here's the video where this is taking place: 

His username on youtube is B190489 just so you know. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2010, 12:55:47 PM
And I link the guy to some videos, and I get this stupid:  "I don't care about the video. Where are YOUR arguments???"
How often have we heard that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on December 31, 2010, 01:17:05 PM
And I got this reply after telling him the country (USA) is corporatist.
Something tells me he doesn't even know what that means.
I think this guy's been watching way too much RSAnimated.

His latest reply to me:
"The USA is no corporatist, the unions in your country are a joke. Money is ruling your country since Reagan and it's neoliberal agenda in the 80's.

I prefer to live in west- or northern Europe.

The Police is the state. All the other security forces are private security companies. They can not be the police, because just the security force of the state can be a police force."

Yeah...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on December 31, 2010, 01:30:32 PM
I bet he's horrible at coming up with puns too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 01, 2011, 01:14:13 PM
Pretty much every post by nofalltoofar on this video: http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=lWBG8byqqUI

Especially the really stupid things, like how he thinks passive voice turns a verb into a noun and has no subject!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 02, 2011, 09:31:37 PM

The stupidest thing had to be the "public option will foster competition among insurance companies" crap.
Please!  When has ANYTHING government has done EVER fostered competition, ever?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 02, 2011, 09:33:53 PM
The guy who posted this video to YouTube *IS* aware that every single thing he listed is because of government intervention, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 03, 2011, 05:13:35 PM
"@RaymondDundas
Monopolies are an inevitable reality, There are 5 monkeys.
7 Nuts, 4 monkeys get 1 nut, The biggest mo-fo gets 3.
Oh-Shit, Divide by zero, Your argument fails.
This is childishly simple stuff rofl."--DackIsBack in this video's comment section (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIba6_7Lw1s)

And yet he can't point to a single example of a free market monopoly that was either granted government privilege which aren't free market by definition such as the East India Company, or not monopolies altogether (e.g. Standard Oil).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 03, 2011, 05:46:36 PM
"@shanedk '...then STFU.'

Yup, as mature and sophisticated as always. Try this little koan on for size, black and white thinking is always wrong.

ta"--AutodidacticPhd

So Shane is immature because this guy can't provide any support for his claims?
That's rich...
Gotta love the ironic username.
I swear, the more you see a positive attribute in a youtube username, the less likely it is to apply.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on January 03, 2011, 11:38:50 PM
"@RaymondDundas
Monopolies are an inevitable reality, There are 5 monkeys.
7 Nuts, 4 monkeys get 1 nut, The biggest mo-fo gets 3.
Oh-Shit, Divide by zero, Your argument fails.
This is childishly simple stuff rofl."--DackIsBack in this video's comment section (http://)

And yet he can't point to a single example of a free market monopoly that was either granted government privilege which aren't free market by definition such as the East India Company, or not monopolies altogether (e.g. Standard Oil).

Link doesn't work. And his example makes no sense. Every monkey got a nut, so how does one monkey have a monopoly on all the nuts, when it only got 3 out of the 7? Being bigger than everyone else doesn't make you a monopoly. People who keep acting like it does are either delusional, or intentionally misleading.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 04, 2011, 06:44:59 AM
Link doesn't work.

I fixed it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 04, 2011, 11:12:42 AM
Pretty much every post by sol3a1 on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYWxflErVWk

Especially the really stupid things, like how he conflates a violent monopoly (government) with a matrix of voluntary exchange (free market).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 05, 2011, 01:02:18 AM
What I have read of this article didn't impressed me.  At first, I didn't pay attention to who wrote this, but needless to say I wasn't at all surprised to find out that it was written by David Wong...
5 Reasons The Future Will Be Ruled By B.S. by David Wong (http://www.cracked.com/article_18817_5-reasons-future-will-be-ruled-by-b.s..html)

And based on Shane's prior evaluation of it, I think this next article is long overdue for posting in this thread.
5 Reasons You Should Be Scared of Google by Robert Evans (http://www.cracked.com/article_18540_5-reasons-you-should-be-scared-google.html)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 05, 2011, 08:43:56 AM
Who's David Wong?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 05, 2011, 08:54:14 AM
What I have read of this article didn't impressed me.  At first, I didn't pay attention to who wrote this, but needless to say I wasn't at all surprised to find out that it was written by David Wong...
5 Reasons The Future Will Be Ruled By B.S. by David Wong (http://www.cracked.com/article_18817_5-reasons-future-will-be-ruled-by-b.s..html)

Well, I can at least tell that he's an idiot. Example:

Quote
But then the publisher invented a better book. An indestructible book called an ebook that could be read 10 billion times without ever falling apart. How much does it cost to manufacture this marvel? Not a goddamned penny.

So, writers work for free? Editors don't charge for their service? The people who do the typesetting etc. just do it out of the goodness of their hearts?

He's also wrong about the inevitability of self-destructive electronic products. Anyone else remember the failure of Divx? (The video player, not the codec.)

He's also ignoring the well-established fact that people WILL pay--even voluntarily--for things they find valuable. Someone reading a really good book will support the author, because they want the author to write more books.

Also interesting how he rails about Windows but completely ignores Linux.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on January 05, 2011, 09:17:21 AM
David Wong is a geek version of a stereotypical anti-capitalist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 05, 2011, 09:20:22 AM
I`m a pervy version of a anti-capitalist.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 06, 2011, 06:12:19 AM
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 06, 2011, 06:17:16 AM
A fail not for the quote, but what he ended up doing:

"Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better." --Barack Obama, 2006
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2011, 05:13:28 PM
"Without the nation state corporation becomes the state and not just any kind of state but the  worst kind of tyranny. In a nation state at least there is some sort of democratic participation through elections while in corporations workers have absolutely no saying in decisions.

They have to take orders from above and execute them without question or else they get fired.

This crap you're advocating is not free market but a total tyranny. Inequality, wage slavery and subjugation are not freedom."--Grindermetalhead in response to this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHo7LYoJHg0)

So much for GMH being an anarchist...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2011, 06:46:36 PM

And the annotation @0:55 - "You can't be 'free from religion' - because unsaved people always have a religion."
Yeah, sorry, but atheism is a religion in the same way 'clear' is a color. (and yes, I nabbed that from one of your posters on that issue. :P)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 06, 2011, 06:51:11 PM
His channel background is also a fail quote:  (http://i2.ytimg.com/bg/e59cL4edbS8z1X1PIZ6-ig/101.jpg?app=bg&v=4d24fe79)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 09, 2011, 10:03:42 PM
OK, from the comments of this video:
Are some fail quotes.  In addition to pretty much every statist dickhead reply to FletchforFreedom, I got into a conversation with one of the wankers myself.
As usual, the fails are in red.

Me: "@FletchforFreedom
I would also add that, in a free market, they could be held liable (responsible) for any damages their product causes."

freedomrings442: "@vspqbd Yes you would also qoute milton friedman im not surprised. So its okay because, in this system you can kill people wth your product, but a court of law can fine you (doesnt bring them back frmo the dead) and then you can subvert the fine or declare bankruptcy or many other loop holes and escape ever paying it. Hmmmmmm. yeah. gotta love it" (Even stranger since I wasn't quoting Friedman.  He did right my post, right?)

Me: "@freedomrings442
For your benefit: /watch?v=xta4c731F-Y
and while I'm at it: /watch?v=fYWxflErVWk"  (I linked him to Shane's video replies to TheAmazingAtheist on pollution, etc, in a free market)

freedomrings442: "@vspqbd like honestly. are you at all aware that companies who cannot pollute their own land, pollute other peoples land? The bayer thing was a great example, they couldnt give the HIV infected medicine to americans, so they dumped it on other countries. THEY NEED MORALS to not act as such. but theyr blinded by the motivation of profit. Sure the may still be greedy, but being in a system that promotes profit making doesnt assist them to become any less greedy."  (*facepalms* He did not watch Shane's videos on the subject, I see...)

Me: "@freedomrings442 Considering I gave you videos rebutting that nonsense, forgive me if I an not impressed with your post." (Especially given he clearly didn't even try to watch said videos in the first place)

freedomrings442: "@vspqbd and i just rebutted your rebuttles. Just bcause a watch dog group stops pollution in one area, doesnt stop the problem caused by the motivation to get profits. They STILL DUMP THE POLLUTION ELSEWHERE. you should look into it a little further. just because some guy on youtube tells you somthing. doesnt make it true. Good video to support your beliefs though. if i stopped there id prolly believe what you beleive to. Go ask somalia what they thnk about pollution okay? thanks"  (Yup, he didn't watch the videos.  Otherwise, he would have noticed the sources provided in the descriptions.  Also, is it just me or can this guy not spell to save his life?)

Me: "@freedomrings442
*facepalms* You do know that Somalia isn't a free market right?
They do have a government. Try putting up a phone line there, and see just how nonexistent their government is.
As for the USA and other countries, if the polluters aren't made to restitution the victims for property damage, that's hardly the fault of the free market.
After all, who monopolizes the courts and police over most of the world?
I'll give you a hint. It's not the free market."

Me: "@freedomrings442
Also, you do know he provided sources for his claims right?
Way to not watch the videos."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 09, 2011, 10:13:30 PM
And his replies to my latest comments:

freedomrings422:  "@vspqbd yes, as i said. but you seem to believe that because a watch dog group helped preserve water in the UK, that the company responsible for the pollution, just magically stopped pollutiing. They still produced a product taht causes pollution, yet you seem to believe the pollution magically disapeared. i repeat. THE POLLUTION IS STILL PUT OUT INTO THE LAND JUST SOMEWHERE ELSE. he didnt seem to mention any of that. i stopped watching after it got to the deforestation for this reason."
(1.  Hasn't this idiot ever heard of crowding out?  Even my less-than-awesome economics text went into that.  2. I never said they would "magically stop polluting".  So his post is nothing but Strawman and Nirvana Fallacies, especially given that governments are the world's biggest polluters, even outside of war.)

freedomrings422:  "@vspqbd you dont think the US or the CIA helps harm the somalian government? why do you think we tried to stop castro in cuba? but the cubans supported him? its because they NEED places liek somalia to dump their polution. you understand that right. you understand there is no huge somalian company that is making massive profits that ispolluting their land. NO its US companies, with the help of the US government. if you really look into things youll see this. I recommend"
(Um...yeah.  He's just handwaving now.)

freedomrings442:  @vspqbd a people history of the united states by howard zinn, its a credible book not a youtube video, and i recommended it earlier. Its a great basis to start real research. you have to be open to everything. Trust me i used to think america was great and could do no wrong just like you, until i actually learned and welcomed other information. THE US WANTS PLACES LIKE SOMALIA SO THAT OUR BUSINESS CAN DUMP POLLUTION THERE. look into united fruit and their business in south america. please.
(Again, ignoring the sources Shane DID provide in the video description.  And he would know that if he had bothered to look...  Also, I'm not reading some book, in place of peer reviewed literature and official historical records, among other good stuff. Sorry.)

freedomrings442: @vspqbd If you cant see how, business interest use lobbyists to influence our government, the businesses within the free market, and you really believe our government is never corrupted and has never been a tool for companies to expand their wealth, i feel extremely soryr for you. You should look into halliburton and their no bid contract on the war. You should look into united fruit in south america as i said. look into things that dont just support your claims. and disprove them.
(*Facepalms* Is this guy fucking stupid or something?  What he describes is corporatism, which is NOT a free market by definition.)

(Geez; 4 near max sized replies to only two, or even one comment?  Damn.  I think I really struck a nerve in this guy. ^^)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on January 10, 2011, 06:10:33 AM
That was a great example of the most common and idiotic case of hypocrisy on the Internet.

"LOL, just because a guy in a video says so, doesn't make it true!"

10 minutes later

"THIS GUY IN THIS BOOK KNOWS IT ALL! YOU MUST BE OPENMINDED"

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on January 14, 2011, 04:55:43 AM
From user named Dead-Eye, in this fun thread: http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=116016

Quote
I would guess VictorM has researched the topic, but is in denial of his findings.

I'm pretty much at the end of my investigation into this matter, at this point there really is so much evidence to suggest a global banking elite controlling world events that to deny it is like denying you have cancer when your hair has fallen out of you're head and there are black patches all over your body.

An Illuminati-esk organization dose exists and is 100% real (They even have a website: http://www.lloyds.com/ (http://www.lloyds.com/)). People are in open denial of that fact, because subconsciously they know it's real but they are too afraid of the truth to face it. POM posted probably the best conspiracy in this matter:

It's sad because in reality there are people in the know (like myself) and people in denial (Like VictorM), vary few are the people that have no idea what the New World Order is and are prepared to have an open mind about the matter. Instead we have this thing where people in denial will fight and kick and scream because they are desperately trying to hold on to the old ways of thinking. They think they can't live without the system, the system is all they know, they must defend the system. Yet when someone in the know shows them the truth, that the system is all BS, they get mad and offended and try everything they can to demise the clams of the person in the know because they are too afraid to face the truth.

VictorM and myself are really on the same page, it's just that I'm not going to sit around and be in denial of the facts

I was pretty sure he is a troll, but I don't know what to think at his point
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 14, 2011, 07:36:15 AM
Look, I'm just going to do my best to shorten this thread:

Anything said by any conspiracy theorist ever.

That should cover quite a lot...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on January 14, 2011, 09:50:13 AM
I don't post anything on here unless it makes a really bad impression anyway.

Edit: Like this shit right here:

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 17, 2011, 12:02:40 AM
Everything out of QQOQQ's mouth in this video is a fail quote:

Note how in the first two to three minutes he starts pulling crap right out of the Kent Hovind play-book.

Also, later in the video he says that the only way to have facts would be to have first hand accounts, e.g. either doing the experiments or being in the same room as the person doing them.
Yeah... I can't refute that exactly, but that smells like total bullshit.

I would have posted QQOQQ's original video, but it wasn't listed in the description, or did he accept the above as a video response.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 18, 2011, 01:23:39 AM
"Either fight for legalization with the political process of STFU."--HeavyTrafficAhead on this video's comment section: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEEniqWDN7Y

Spoken like a true state cultist HTA...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 18, 2011, 06:44:41 PM
Everything posted by JesusforLife2 on this video's comment section:  

Especially his claiming atheism is mutually exclusive from agnosticism AND his calling atheism "a belief".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 18, 2011, 08:46:26 PM
Even after being corrected ad nauseam.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on January 19, 2011, 05:37:49 PM
Conspiracy Theorist: Oh but its all for out benefit hey Vector and El Bel...?? what exactly have we gained from these wars?? anyone?? anyone win anything?? anything positive?? hmmm didn't think so.

Me: Nothing was gained from these wars, yes. And I am agaisnt them just as much as you are.

Then a guy responds to me with this: Really? Do you pay the taxes that fund these wars? Then how can you reconcile the inconsistency between your words and your actions?

If you were against a group of terrorist, would you pay them money and then say "i'm against terrorists"?


*****
Because we all know that taxes are paid by choice, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 19, 2011, 11:15:14 PM
Then a guy responds to me with this: Really? Do you pay the taxes that fund these wars? Then how can you reconcile the inconsistency between your words and your actions?

If you were against a group of terrorist, would you pay them money and then say "i'm against terrorists"?
Yeah...That definitely belongs in fail quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 20, 2011, 09:10:16 PM
These two were having a conversation on JacobSpinney's latest video.

Can you guess which one of these is the fail quote?

nocturnalc:  "They would be incentivized to put out better & better products at free market driven prices because they wouldn't have the guns of the state to squash out their competition. Apathy in a free world won't get you anywhere in any field of interest. By the way, I'm not an advocate of starvation just because I oppose slavery."

To which this guy (mykeBC) responded with: "1. state imposed barriers to competition like what? filling out forms? waiting a few months for a permit? these seem insignificant compared to the real barriers to competition (capital, resources, technical knowhow - the latter 2 of which can be greatly monopolized). 2. have you heard of planned obsolescence? 3. what's to stop cartels and oligopolies? your average person can't suddenly start operating an oil refinery just because the cartels decide to manipulate prices."

I bet this idiot thinks Rockefeller had an oil monopoly, or that OPEC is a free market institution...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 21, 2011, 07:36:11 AM
Then again, how many oil refineries would you have owned?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 28, 2011, 10:04:25 PM
"When historians look back at 2008–10, what will puzzle them most, I believe, is the strange triumph of failed ideas. Free-market fundamentalists have been wrong about everything — yet they now dominate the political scene more thoroughly than ever."--Paul Krugman (Source (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/20/opinion/20krugman.html?_r=1))
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 28, 2011, 10:14:48 PM
The fail continues:

Quote
How, after runaway banks brought the economy to its knees,

What, you mean because of the housing bubble that YOU said we needed to replace the NASDAQ bubble?

Quote
But the response should be, what big-government policies?

Maybe the hundreds of thousands if not millions of pages of regulations that make the financial market the most heavily regulated market in the US?

It continues all through the article. Why should anyone trust this lunatic to even SPELL economics, let alone be considered an expert?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 28, 2011, 10:22:35 PM
Krugman gets handed his: http://krugman-in-wonderland.blogspot.com/2010/12/paleo-krugmanism.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 28, 2011, 10:53:30 PM
It continues all through the article. Why should anyone trust this lunatic to even SPELL economics, let alone be considered an expert?
The worst part?  The idiot got a Nobel Prize in economics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on January 28, 2011, 11:55:10 PM
Krugman gets handed his: http://krugman-in-wonderland.blogspot.com/2010/12/paleo-krugmanism.html

Lol. I knew it was a good idea to post that blog. Hell, even my old not-all-that-Austrian macro teacher liked it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2011, 02:25:22 PM
Both of the following are from the comments of this video:

"@lordthawkeye '*talking* surrender'? Are you aware that the Korean peace talks lasted almost two years and the Vietnam talks lasted almost FIVE. J govt had sought Soviet mediation to end war- not surrender.
JambUSSR Sato cabled JForMin Togo 7/45 that J was defeated & could only hope to preserve the Imperial system. Togo replied that J would not accept unconditional surrender under any circumstances. 8/2/45 after Sato requested J peace terms, Togo refused.There was NO offer of surrender"--kentamitchell

"@lordthawkeye There was NO offer of surrender until after H&N. Japan did not plan to invade America- in the 1940s. All they wanted was the EastAsian Co-Prosperity Sphere (replace British, French, & Dutch as colonial rulers) as ONE step towards their ambition to "bring all 8 pillars of the earth under one roof".
Japan did not just wake up one morning & decide to attack PH. True enough. J plans for indefinite expansion had put it on a collision course w/t US since 1905."--kentamitchell

"'America bombed J submarines' TOO FUNNY. Early morning12/7/41 the USS Ward sank a Japanese midget sub in US territorial waters as it tried to sneak into Pearl Harbor.
FYI Hiroshima was the headquarters of the Japanese 2nd Area Army, under Field Marshal Hata. 43,000 J troops were in the city; 20k-30k died in the bombing. Too bad we didn't have the Atomic bombs 12/41"--kentamitchell
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2011, 04:54:20 PM
And from the above video from Lord T Hawkeye, here's that same wanker commenting:

"@lordthawkeye You seem to think that Japan ever made an offer to surrender before H&N. Sorry, but you are completely wrong. Mark Twain said it best: 'It ain't ignorance that is dangerous, it's people knowin' things that just ain't so'"--kentamitchell
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on January 29, 2011, 06:41:00 PM
Can someone link me up to an official record showing Japan did in fact talk surrender?  I really need to put this murder apologist in his place.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 29, 2011, 07:49:01 PM
See The Folly of war: American Foreign Policy, 1898-2005; "Bare Peace Bid U.S. Rebuffed 7 Months Ago" Chicago Daily Tribune, August 19, 1945; Racing the Enemy: Stalin, Truman, and the Surrender of Japan; and other stuff here: http://www.doug-long.com/quotes.htm

I can probably dig up more when I get more time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2011, 08:50:46 PM
On a completely unrelated note,
HAPPY 1500TH POST SHANE! ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 29, 2011, 09:26:55 PM
Thanks, which reminds me, I should scale up the post groups now that we've got a good set of regulars here.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 29, 2011, 10:27:35 PM
You mean the four of us?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 29, 2011, 11:15:35 PM
And from the above video from Lord T Hawkeye, here's that same wanker commenting:

"@lordthawkeye You seem to think that Japan ever made an offer to surrender before H&N. Sorry, but you are completely wrong. Mark Twain said it best: 'It ain't ignorance that is dangerous, it's people knowin' things that just ain't so'"--kentamitchell
And he's back again.

"@lordthawkeye LOL! I might very well ask you the same question.
You have better evidence than a decoded cable from the Japanese Foreign Minister sent 8/2/45? Bring it on!
I really hope you aren't one of the many dupes of that famous fabrication by Chicago Tribune's columnist Walter Trohan. It is very popular among people who take wikipedia at face value."--kentamitchell

"You would do well to read Richard Frank's 'Downfall'. There were 28 neutral embassies in Tokyo in 1945, and US codebreakers were monitoring the diplomatic cable traffic of all of those embassies. All 28 of them were reporting that the Japanese military intended to fight to the last- toretain power through a compromise peace.
Are you aware that the J Army had committed >700k troops & >10k kamikazes to defend Kyushu, & was drafting 'volunteers m15-60 f17-40. Not the act of ppl about to surrender"--kentamitchell

"@lordthawkeye Secretary of War Henry Stimson put it very well: 'the atomic bombs were our least abhorrent choice'"--kentamitchell

"@nicolaswirth Death toll from H&N was approx 200k. In 1945 there were approx 100k Allied POWs & 100k civilian internees in J custody. (40k POWs & 30k civilian internees had died in j custody)"--kentamichell
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2011, 12:47:35 AM
But wait, there's even more: 

"@lordthawkeye They WEREN'T??? You need to do your homework. Field Marshal Hata (one of 42,000 J troops in Hiroshima) was the Commanding Officer of the J 2nd Area Army. He'd been both Minister of War & Commander of the Chinese Expeditionary Army during the Zhejiang-Jiangxi campaign where >250,000 Chinese died. So are you arguing that it is only permissable touse bombs only against guilty individuals? Terribly naive." --kentamitchell

"@lordthawkeye Irrelevant? NOT HARDLY! You claim J was ready to surrender. They were certainly not. So what is this wonderful scource of yours that J govt had a plan to surrender w/one condition? A plan that Japanese Foreign Minister Togo was completely unaware of as larte as Aug 2, 1945. LOL!" --kentamitchell

"@lordthawkeye Thucydides' History of the Peloppensian War in the 5th century BCE tells of an Athenian who taunted a Spartan who'd been captured. The Spartan replied "Arrows would be worth a great deal if they could pick out brave men from cowards". Bombs would be worth a great deal if they could destroy only those directly responsible for war crimes. " --kentamitchell

"@lordthawkeye Let's see the "evidence"

Or shouldn't you be getting busy writing up your retraction and apology?" --kentamitchell

Because nothing says supporter of freedom like support of mass murder...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 30, 2011, 12:52:05 AM
So, that Japan offerd a surrender under the condition that the emperor remained emperor, which was rejected by the US who then bombed Japan, which led to a unconditional surrender that led the US to leave the emperor being emperor anyway is not relevant to him?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2011, 12:52:48 AM
He denies it ever happened.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 30, 2011, 12:57:57 AM
The problem with these people is that they take such statements as a personal accusement of guilt, which leads to a almost fanatical defense of the actions of ones country beyond any sense or reason, or somesuch psychological bullshit. I don't really know what I'm talking about here anyway.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2011, 01:01:42 AM

Moral of the story, fuck LaRouche.

Thanks to Apptendo for posting.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 30, 2011, 01:10:09 AM
I like her glasses but that's about it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on January 30, 2011, 08:18:03 AM
Moral of the story, fuck LaRouche.

And liberal Democrats try to deny he's one of them by calling him a libertarian

I like her glasses but that's about it.

She's DEFINITELY not going to get a job at CBS News anytime soon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2011, 11:21:24 AM
And liberal Democrats try to deny he's one of them by calling him a libertarian
Because calling a dog a cat makes it meow in their world.

She's DEFINITELY not going to get a job at CBS News anytime soon.
True.  Now MSNBC on the other hand...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2011, 12:09:08 PM
From the following video,

Starting @2:45 - "A question that I would like to pose is if we cannot use the Bible to support the Bible as Christians, why is it that science can be used to support science?"

The worst part?  I know someone outside of the web (who isn't even a Christian) who asks that question...
As I said to him, science is tautologically justified.  That is, it just says that more repeatable predictions are more reliable; ergo it *IS* justified philosophically.  I am really getting sick of pseudo-philosopher fucktards like them trying to muddle up science, when what they have is blatantly worse by every objective standard...

Starting @6:43(ish) --Thunderf00t ridicules Shawn for claiming to possess special knowledge that no one else has...Am I the only one who sees the irony there?  As a statist TF believes the people in the state have access to special knowledge (e.g. where to set interest rates) that no one else has, so why all the hostility towards what is essentially something he believes as well?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 30, 2011, 12:17:16 PM
OK, so I don't fill up this thread with more of kentamitchell's bullshit, here's the video he's been commenting on.


Note how, even after being sent the source that Shane shared with Lord T Hawkeye, he *STILL* won't acknowledge that Japan was already offering to surrender...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on January 30, 2011, 02:04:01 PM
Honestly, I don't see what your problem is Hotchap.
Look here i show you, rape, genocide and mistreatment of war prisoners by japan crime.
Rape, genocide and mistreatment of war prisoners by the US, it's awwwwwwright.
There. Why can't you get that fact into your stupid little monkey head?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on January 31, 2011, 11:03:01 AM
"And taxes? Again, the numbers don't lie -- in the U.S. taxes are the lowest they've been since 1950, and now that the Bush-era tax cuts have been temporarily extended, they will continue to be until 2012 at the soonest. The government even threw you an extra two percent reduction in payroll tax as a cherry on top. The U.S. has the second-lowest taxes among developed countries."--Source: 5 Complaints About Modern Life (That Are Statistically B.S.) By Mark M., M. Asher Cantrell (http://www.cracked.com/article_18983_5-complaints-about-modern-life-that-are-statistically-b.s..html)

Rebuttals:  http://mises.org/daily/4946 ;

That quote was from item #5 on the list, about things getting more expensive.  Funny how what they *don't* mention is that because wages are stickier than other prices, most people (e.g. the ones who don't get to spend the new money first--the government, the big banks, the politically connected corporations) have smaller real incomes.
And don't get me started on the way the gov't calculates cost of living/CPI stuff...
The best inflation indicator that we know of would be M3, which, according to Shane (according to independent assessments according to Shane) has been increasing at roughly 10% per year or something like that.  So that's about 10% yearly inflation, especially given the gigantic deficits our federal government has been throwing out.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 01, 2011, 02:26:22 AM
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It says on your video that "adding comments has been disabled" so I guess I cannot respond there.

I have a few sources and information backing up my argument.

You are correct that the Imperial Government was willing to surrender, however, the Military was not and was indeed willing to fight to the last man. This is the problem. Even if the Government had accepted surrender before the bombings, the Military would attack the first Americans that set foot in Japan, and maybe even overthrow the Government to prevent surrender. (The overthrow is my personal speculation, but still a valid hypothesis). Look at my sources and tell me what you think, and I will do the same with what you sent me. If you are willing to have an intelligent discussion debating facts and opinions without personal attacks on each other, I am definitly interested. Also, please understand that I am not ignorant enough to think the Atomic Bombings were not horrible, nor do I believe that the Japanese were an evil race that needed to be completly wiped out. I just feel that they were the lesser of two evils and necessary to end the war quickly and save lives.

We dropped leaflets to warn people of destruction and ask them to beg the government for surrender. They still refused. (Harry S. Truman Library, Miscellaneous historical document file, no. 258)

The Japanese code of bushido—"the way of the warrior"—was deeply ingrained. Surrender was unacceptable, and it was better to die honroably than surrender and be dishonored. (http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/articles/bushido.aspx)

The Japanese military was willing to fight to the "final Armageddon," regardless of what the Imperial Government wanted.- Richard B Frank, World War II historian and author (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/894mnyyl.asp?page=1)

"Military leaders also hoped that if they could hold out until the ground invasion of Japan began, they would be able to inflict so many casualties on the Allies that Japan still might win some sort of negotiated settlement ." (http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/surrender.htm)

More information that Government and Military could not reach an agreement: H. Bix, Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan, 2001, p. 512.

"Rational calculations did not determine Japan's position. Although a peace faction within the government wished to end the war—provided certain conditions were met—militants were prepared to fight on regardless of consequences. They claimed to welcome an invasion of the home islands, promising to inflict such hideous casualties that the United States would retreat from its announced policy of unconditional surrender. The militarists held effective power over the government and were capable of defying the emperor, as they had in the past, on the ground that his civilian advisers were misleading him... Even after both bombs had fallen and Russia entered the war, Japanese militants insisted on such lenient peace terms that moderates knew there was no sense even transmitting them to the United States. Hirohito had to intervene personally on two occasions during the next few days to induce hardliners to abandon their conditions... [The fact] That they would have conceded defeat months earlier, before such calamities struck, is far-fetched to say the least." (http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1995/3/1995_3_70_print.shtml)

Sent this to me in a PM.  Seriously, what part of "I'm not arguing that the US should have invaded Japan instead" is this guy incapable of processing?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 01, 2011, 10:47:38 AM
You are correct that the Imperial Government was willing to surrender, however, the Military was not and was indeed willing to fight to the last man. This is the problem. Even if the Government had accepted surrender before the bombings, the Military would attack the first Americans that set foot in Japan

*facepalms* Yeah, that's a fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 01, 2011, 11:01:30 AM
Yeah, because militaries are always ready to disregard orders and commit treason...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 01, 2011, 04:56:29 PM
Not only that, but (according to my history class anyways: take with that what you will), the primary government of Japan of that time was the military.  If memory serves, it was Tojo (something of a military dictator) or Yamamoto (another military higher up) who was pulling the strings.
So if the IMPERIAL government, as he called it surrendered, then that means the military also surrendered.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 02, 2011, 07:46:41 PM
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showpost.php?p=1550077&postcount=114

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it was religion in the form of monks in abbey's that preserved much of the art, literature, math, history and science from antiquity. If not for them and the Arabs, most of it probably would have been lost.



Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 02, 2011, 08:20:31 PM
If not for religion most of it probably wouldn't have been destroyed in the first place.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 03, 2011, 09:19:46 PM
"Ghastly as it may seem to say this, the terror attack--like the original day of infamy, which brought an end to the Great Depression--could do some economic good." --Paul Krugman after 9/11
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 03, 2011, 09:26:35 PM
"@studentofsmith So the free market in not smart enough to see what the fed is doing? That's a market failure. Not the failure of the fed."--funisverygood on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQFhm4s_-Pk)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 04, 2011, 06:09:46 PM
Something I sometimes see from communists:  "China under Mao was far better."--communists who actually think Mao, Stalin, etc were actually awesome rulers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2011, 08:02:56 PM
"What will it take to get gays out of marriage?" --Carl, in the comments (http://flamingfreedom.com/2011/02/04/what-is-government-marriage/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 06, 2011, 12:16:56 PM
"im weary of your views of property even though i dont know them specifically. Think about property before you criticize violence"--seigneurvoland666 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zppY0EzNy6I)

Because there's no difference between the initiation of violence and the use of defensive violence, right?
*facepalms*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2011, 03:07:26 AM
From http://freedomainradio.com/BOARD/forums/p/27406/212282.aspx , Every post by "sacredeye" and especially "Ruppert9" is conspiracy mongering bullshit, claiming Bill Gates is supporting Eugenics through vaccinations, and thus, earns a place here in this thread of epic fail quotes.

[Rant]
I really respect Stef, but he really needs to distance himself from the "Anarcho"-Communists/Socialists/Syndicalists and especially the conspiracy theorists--9/11 Truthers, NWO fucktards (He was on the Alex Jones Show, however, I haven't watched that episode and I'm not going to.), the anti-vaccination crowd (see the above), and so on.  From a PR perspective it REALLY hurts his credibility to those not familiar with him.  I mean, if he can claim that not practicing what you preach doesn't mean that logically that it is false; that it means you don't believe it, thus there isn't much reason to be convinced by the person arguing for it if they themselves don't believe it (which always struck me as something of a PR move, especially given his example of a violation of this as free market economists working in state universities), then I can say what I have already.  He needs to stay the fuck away from the conspiracy peddlers and anarcho-pinkos.

It's bad enough Stef tends to word many of his videos (e.g. "The Story of Your Enslavement"), where he basically words it such that he is speaking of the agents'/heads of the state's intentions, which basically means we're talking conspiracy theorist territory, even though he denies this.  But if he can pick on the people criticizing that video, slicing their wording to pieces, then maybe he needs to follow that advice and word his TL; DW videos a little more carefully...
[/Rant]
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 07, 2011, 02:25:34 PM
From this video's comment section: 

Everything Luigi84289 has posted, is total bullshit and fail.

"You can have competitive states. The US was a polystate. This would be a great improvement if it were the case today. If all critical decisions were decided by each state if you didn't like something you could just go to another state. We need the states to be in charge of printing dollars with the feds making sure that they are all uniform among them."

"No a state is a monopoly on a piece of land. A government is just a firm that takes in funds and produces a product, security You can have competing governments in the same area."

"The hate was sparked by conflicts between different cultures. The white and black races both sought to preserve themselves but were trapped under the same state and competing for land. Integration produces one uniform brown race in the case of the south where the two populations were near 50/50. There is no need for integration if an understanding is reached on land claims. Hate is a reaction you can't found anything on hate."

"If canada invaded america I'm sure many people would be filled with hate. I do not hate my own people nor do I waste time hating myself. I believe we are going to need land eventually just for us to preserve our people if we can't close the borders and present trends continue or face extinction when our population numbers get too small like all species through inbreeding and a lack of genetic diversity. Being proud and wanting to preserve your people =/ hate."

"Nothing is stronger than the dollar. Take away a sections money and you take away it's ability to fight. What the South and each region of America needs is to be Sovereign again. Let black people have their own states to represent their people and preserve it and let us as well. I don't want one big mono-culture and one big brown race."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 07, 2011, 02:32:13 PM
How many of his comments start with "I'm not a racist BUT..." ?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 08, 2011, 10:52:56 PM
"Explain how GOOGLE isn't a monopoly? It became a monopoly when the Internet was still free. It out competed its competition and established it's self so that new competitors can't penetrate the market. Most everybody googles, few people bing."--FlowCell
And the rest of his comments on this video:


Man, FlowCell has really gone downhill.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 09, 2011, 01:50:30 AM
Don't say that just because he does'nt have the same economic views as you.
He's still the same man you fell in love with... just that you now all his dirty little perverted secret that hadn't a clue of before. Right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 09, 2011, 07:16:00 AM
And Bing, Ask.com, and all the others don't count because...?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 09, 2011, 07:33:49 AM
Just because something is very popular doesn't make it a monopoly. I guess World Of Warcraft has a monopoly too, by his logic. And there are like 400000 other alternatives to that crap.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 10, 2011, 06:28:28 PM
"We want to promote economic freedom, a strong national defense and social conservativism. We think these policies are indivisible...It's not a boutique. You can't pick one and not the other." --a spokesman for Heritage, from the description of this video:

Because nothing says freedom quite like a false dilemma.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 10, 2011, 06:38:05 PM
And from the comment section of the same video:
"Christian conservatives are trying to politicize homosexuality. Homosexuals are politicizing homosexuality. Who you decide to share a bed with has no place in politics. It is homosexuals that want special rights because they are gay, not Christians trying to take away their rights because they are gay.

Homosexuals keep wanting to be married but they are fighting the wrong fight. If they can find a church to marry them that is fine. The problem is govt having anything to do with it." --st4ticblu3
That's got to be some of the most pathetic "he hit my fist with his face" logic I've ever heard...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 10, 2011, 06:43:56 PM
From the same fucktard who brought to me and us the above fail quote:  "Love is great, you should love everyone as I do and I love you. There is enough hate in the world. That has nothing to do with what you posted. It made no sense and was just pointless vulgarity."--the idiot above who can't grasp concepts like satire.
Seriously, if he doesn't want to deal with vulgarity, I suggest he keep out of the comment section...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 11, 2011, 02:11:58 PM

A response to Shane's constitution lecture 9. I think it speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 11, 2011, 02:17:07 PM
@Virgil0211:  It looks familiar.

And from the comments of that SAME video: "Homosexuality is natural de-selection thus it is disgusting to the natural law."--yakyakyak69, from the comments of this video:

Why are all these homophobic conservatards subbed to ReasonTV?
They are aware that ReasonTV is a Libertarian and skeptical and/or atheism channel, not a conservative christian channel, right?

Surely they don't honestly believe that the political party/group (republicans/conservatives respectively) that has only increased government size, power and scope while in control of the white house, Congress, etc (with the possible exception of Warren G. Harding, who was the last conservative president to do so) is for small government do they?

Surely they don't believe that the party that has, over the past 108 years has produced 5 out of 7 biggest increases in domestic spending ever is for decreases in the size of the domestic budget do they?

Or the fact that the Conservatives/Republicans have NEVER EVER EVER been for small government.  Even Lincoln was a complete tyrant who, despite 'freeing the slaves' (something that would have happened without a war and if the government didn't keep propping slavery up), made Bush and Obama look like George Washington by comparison!
They are the Mercantile Party.  Always have been, and probably always will be.
It was the Democrats--the liberal party who were originally small government--why do you think they called it 'classical liberalism'?-- but, as a result of the progressivist movement, became more statist, along with the Republicans/Conservatives.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 11, 2011, 02:37:26 PM

A response to Shane's constitution lecture 9. I think it speaks for itself.

Yeah, I actually watched the first 3 parts of this insipid "series."

The amazing thing is, he had the audacity to make this a response to Lecture 9 when he did nothing at all to refute the facts that a) as a treaty made under the authority of the Constitution the treaty (including Article 11) became the supreme law of the land and was never overturned, and b) the treaty was published in newspapers without any record whatsoever of opposition from the public to that concept.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 12, 2011, 10:52:48 AM
Pretty much everything said by YeshuaYisroelNotzer here: http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=x1a7t76K2dE

But bluecode320 and I are having WAY too much fun with Google's translator in response...

EDIT: And the responses from Singvangelist1 are EPIC Failz.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 12, 2011, 02:33:24 PM
Pretty much everything said by YeshuaYisroelNotzer here: http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=x1a7t76K2dE

But bluecode320 and I are having WAY too much fun with Google's translator in response...

EDIT: And the responses from Singvangelist1 are EPIC Failz.

Lol. It's been a little while since I took chinese, but I used what I remembered in tandem with google translator to come up with a few insults (i.e., corrected grammatical errors when I recognized them.). Let's see him try and figure out what it means. =P

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 12, 2011, 02:38:25 PM
I ran it through the translator and I couldn't figure it out!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 14, 2011, 12:47:47 AM
And speaking of unparsible translations, FletchforFreedom is dealing with this guy user/hungdirect in the comments of this video: 

I swear I can't parse most of what he says.

Aside from damn near everything he's posted on that video, I'd say his background image, given that he's a communist, also qualifies as a fail quote:

(http://i2.ytimg.com/bg/MtmZbA5PHO9mvf2sx-48KA/105.jpg?app=bg&v=4d195acc)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 14, 2011, 06:34:59 AM
Huh? How is Firefox communistic?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 14, 2011, 06:36:04 AM
I ran it through the translator and I couldn't figure it out!

That's the idea. It should actually come out to something like. "You are nothing. You are a fool with no brain." Chinese grammar's a little odd. I'm not quite sure I got the second one right. Probably would've been more correct if I if I did it a little differently.

The first one's the big one in Chinese, though. That's the one that, in most cases, would probably lead to violence. At least, according to my old Chinese teacher. =P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 14, 2011, 08:36:06 AM
Huh? How is Firefox communistic?

It's a community prject.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 14, 2011, 01:10:37 PM
Huh? How is Firefox communistic?

They probably think that because it is not made for profit, and is open source.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 14, 2011, 01:12:44 PM
"Dude, no matter how correct or incorrect your points are, you're so incredibly full of yourself. No one will ever listen to you if you spend a full minute lecturing everyone on how sad it is that 'we're so wrong'." --obamamaniac42 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAa6dYBwy7M)

Because, as we all know, there's nothing hubristic about wanting to use the most violent monopoly ever to organize society as you see fit, and thinking yourself and/or your cult leaders to be smart enough to know where to set interest rates despite no one knowing or being able to know that, etc.
Yup, nothing arrogant about that at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 14, 2011, 01:59:42 PM
So's a mutual aid society. Are they communist too?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 14, 2011, 02:17:04 PM
So's a mutual aid society. Are they communist too?

Hey, I was just the messenger here!
But no, they are not.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 19, 2011, 03:08:42 PM
*EDIT*  OK, so maybe the stefbot video wasn't as awful as I might have thought.  Certainly not compared to those attempting to justify mass murder.

From the comments of this video: 

"Rofl - your ignorance hurts my brain. So because we bombed one country, once, who was a far more volatile poltical state than even the middle east is now. All bombing of all civilian areas is legit. Are you a fucking serious? I'm washing my hands of your down syndrome. See ya." --Rangerfury144
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 19, 2011, 04:07:43 PM
By contrast, this next one is an unequivocal fail quote:

"Jacob Weisberg (http://www.slate.com/id/2202489/) writes in Slate that just as the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1989 finally proved for good that communism was an unworkable ideology, the financial crisis of 2008 proves that libertarianism is also dead." --Puppycow (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=126691)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 20, 2011, 06:26:06 AM
And people on a freaking sceptic forum actually agree with that. Seriously.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 20, 2011, 08:03:39 AM
What's sad is how they say that Libertarianism BOTH failed AND was never tried! Geez, are we tall AND short, too?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on February 20, 2011, 08:15:06 AM
Fail quote from Geni in the thread:

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Not so you are indeed free to trade with people in gold should you so chose

Oh yeah? Then why did the government confiscate mine from the Asheville warehouse it was in?

From Highly Selassie:

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False dichotomy. The only reason the alternative is starvation is because there are no labor laws in these third-world countries.

Amazing how they think that laws are magical incantations that can change the laws of economics. And they wonder why we call it the Cult of the Omnipotent State!

I'm sure there'd be lots more if I went through the (currently) 11 pages of the thread, but it'd just be a colossal waste of time, like it always was trying to talk reality to them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 20, 2011, 09:31:05 AM
Wait, you had gold?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 20, 2011, 11:47:14 AM
Gold Statue, that is.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 20, 2011, 02:23:42 PM
It wasn't that golden Idol that Indy found in Raiders of the Ark, was it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 20, 2011, 05:17:03 PM
I'm sure there'd be lots more if I went through the (currently) 11 pages of the thread, but it'd just be a colossal waste of time, like it always was trying to talk reality to them.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=156056  Get read to facepalm:  I hope this thread can take the overload of bogons.
I honestly face-palmed when they gave answers of "bioshock" and "lord of the flies".

In my digging around that forum, I found a thread called, "Why the Derision for AnCap and Libertarianism Here?" http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=136113

It's 67 pages long.  I haven't read any of the replies, nor am I going to, but the first things that came to mind for me on seeing the length were: "Guilty conscience" and "lots of Libertarian and an-cap bashing".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 21, 2011, 05:53:08 AM
Bioshock doesn't make much sense even as a fictional criticism of libertarianism/objectivism.

From what I remember, the world was fine, until those highly addictive plants were discovered. Highly addictive plants that would give you X-MEN powers, mind you. And then the Armageddon clock started ticking.

So what is the argument here (if any)? That a libertarian society couldn't contain such a threat? We are talking about an extremely addictive drug, that can turn you in to a telepath. How the hell would a socialist society handle that exactly? They will ban it and start raiding basements that produce it? Because we all know how effective that was historically, right guys?

And besides, the government DID interfere in this case, by granting that Atlas impersonator a monopoly on the drug.

Also, some of the other stuff are nothing more than moronic caricatures, like the ammo vending machines.

"But if we let everyone have guns, then we would have ammo vending machines everywhere, and there would be chaos!!".

Yeah, the same way we let gays marry and then people start marrying their dogs and daughters :). I think I know what game I'll be making one day.



Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 21, 2011, 12:45:57 PM
Bioshock doesn't make much sense even as a fictional criticism of libertarianism/objectivism.

From what I remember, the world was fine, until those highly addictive plants were discovered. Highly addictive plants that would give you X-MEN powers, mind you. And then the Armageddon clock started ticking.

So what is the argument here (if any)? That a libertarian society couldn't contain such a threat? We are talking about an extremely addictive drug, that can turn you in to a telepath. How the hell would a socialist society handle that exactly? They will ban it and start raiding basements that produce it? Because we all know how effective that was historically, right guys?

And besides, the government DID interfere in this case, by granting that Atlas impersonator a monopoly on the drug.

Also, some of the other stuff are nothing more than moronic caricatures, like the ammo vending machines.

"But if we let everyone have guns, then we would have ammo vending machines everywhere, and there would be chaos!!".

Yeah, the same way we let gays marry and then people start marrying their dogs and daughters :). I think I know what game I'll be making one day.





Can I get any special deals if I preorder now?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 21, 2011, 04:33:29 PM
Can I get any special deals if I preorder now?

For Bioshock or for marrying dogs?
If it's the former both Bioshock one and two are already out.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 21, 2011, 05:19:49 PM
For Bioshock or for marrying dogs?
If it's the former both Bioshock one and two are already out.

I meant for this:

I think I know what game I'll be making one day.

Cuz I would love it if more video games followed a more libertarian bend. The main ones I can think of right now that even involve the discussion would be a couple of BioWare games, although it tends to be more indirect.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 22, 2011, 06:50:48 AM
Well, if I can get my hands on some more cash, I would love to become a producer for a pro-libertarian RPG of some sort.

It would be sweet to introduce some none-intuitive "Choices and Consequences" to the game. Like helping a union to establish a minimum wage law in some small town, making the players think they did the "good" thing. Only to realize later, that some shops are closed, because they can't hire people anymore, thanks to the minimum wage.

Also, I would actually try to get this guy as a writer: http://www.youtube.com/user/sfdebris?blend=1&ob=4

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on February 22, 2011, 11:10:52 AM
Just don't get too preachy or else I will bite your head off, eat it and use your body as a distaction.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on February 22, 2011, 09:38:14 PM
Not exactly libertarian but still with a message behind it that I completely loved was Persona 4.  The big theme behind it was "truth vs deception."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 23, 2011, 01:27:37 AM
Well, if I can get my hands on some more cash, I would love to become a producer for a pro-libertarian RPG of some sort.

It would be sweet to introduce some none-intuitive "Choices and Consequences" to the game. Like helping a union to establish a minimum wage law in some small town, making the players think they did the "good" thing. Only to realize later, that some shops are closed, because they can't hire people anymore, thanks to the minimum wage.

Also, I would actually try to get this guy as a writer: http://www.youtube.com/user/sfdebris?blend=1&ob=4



I thought I was the only one who knew about that guy. If he helped write your game, I'd be first in line.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on February 23, 2011, 07:15:45 AM
I thought I was the only one who knew about that guy. If he helped write your game, I'd be first in line.

Well, I found him thanks to you after all  ;D
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on February 26, 2011, 06:56:19 PM
Have I posted this?
If yes, it deserves to be posted again.

Note the disabling of both ratings and comments.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on February 26, 2011, 09:41:13 PM
Well, I found him thanks to you after all  ;D

Well, you're quite welcome, Mr. Garak.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 01, 2011, 03:26:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jGAvGVBz7A&feature=related

By canofsand

Quote
As if you don't already know the answers to those questions. It's a waste of time trying to convince someone with a closed mind about the basic principles of motivation, innovation, capitalism, and reward for effort. But I'm sure Edison and Gates and all the rest would've just as soon done it all for FREE, right?? I might as well be talking about the free market to a hardcore capitalism-hating socialist - some "liberaltarians" practically are that in many regards.

Yeah, thank god for copyright laws, we wouldn't want the REAL inventor of the light bulb to be left unrewarded, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 01, 2011, 06:33:23 AM
Yeah, thank god for copyright laws, we wouldn't want the REAL inventor of the light bulb to be left unrewarded, right?

Tag!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 01, 2011, 09:42:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jGAvGVBz7A&feature=related

By canofsand

Yeah, thank god for copyright laws, we wouldn't want the REAL inventor of the light bulb to be left unrewarded, right?

You think I should link him to those videos showing that IP laws actually hurt, not help, innovation?
Or that Mises Institute Daily, "The Fallacy of Intellectual Property" which explains why IP is not compatible with real property rights?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 01, 2011, 10:12:06 AM
He does kind of have a point, that Reason.TV is a bit hypocritical here. Alright, IP laws are bad for the fashion industry. What about every other industry then?

Still, he hasn't really given any actual reason for the existence of these IP laws, besides the usual appeal to good intentions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 01, 2011, 04:58:20 PM
@VectorM:  Alrighty.


http://www.businessinsider.com/if-you-think-government-cant-create-wealth-youre-wrong-2011-2
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 01, 2011, 05:11:29 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/if-you-think-government-cant-create-wealth-youre-wrong-2011-2

I hereby nominate this for Best Example of the Broken Window Fallacy In Action.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 03, 2011, 04:00:01 PM
Big fail: https://www.facebook.com/djgrothe/posts/107832615963797

It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't the president of the JREF!

You might have to be on DJ Groethe's friends list to see this, but he posted this: http://www.businessinsider.com/ ("The Five States Where Teachers Unions Are Illegal Have The Lowest Test Scores In America") as if it were absolute proof that teachers unions were vital, when in reality it's just a correlation/causation fallacy.

The dogmatists came back with "it does not mean that it is to be ignored" and "sometimes correlation does in fact imply causation" (direct quotes) and other crap like that, until I and others posted data showing that they cherry-picked their data and there isn't even a correlation between whether teachers unions are allowed and school performance.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 03, 2011, 04:47:43 PM
And this bit from the last comment as of this posting:  "The reasons for the correlation should be pretty clear: unions fight for education funding, smaller class size, and better treatment of teachers, who might otherwise be attracted to better paying jobs in the private sector."-- Professor Smartass on that business website article.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 04, 2011, 10:32:26 AM
Would it have helped if we had found a way to make James Randi immortal?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 04, 2011, 11:06:18 AM
There's still time. He's not dead yet. Know anywhere we can upload his brain?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 04, 2011, 11:13:53 AM
There's still time. He's not dead yet. Know anywhere we can upload his brain?

Inside of my body?
My computer doesn't have enough memory or CPU power for his brain.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 04, 2011, 11:29:27 AM
Would be nice if he uses those 1000 000 challenge dollars to freeze his brain, so he could politely kick Groethe's ass when he comes back looking like commander Data, but with an awesome augmented beard. Actually, he should punch him with his beard instead.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on March 04, 2011, 12:36:35 PM
Would be nice if he uses those 1000 000 challenge dollars to freeze his brain, so he could politely kick Groethe's ass when he comes back looking like commander Data, but with an awesome augmented beard. Actually, he should punch him with his beard instead.

Huh... James Randi's brain with Brent Spiner's appearance and voice, and an android. Singularity of awesomeness, or scream-yourself-awake nightmare?

Dear god. What would happen if someone did the same to Sylvia Browne or Uri Geller, effectively giving us the 'Lore' counterpart to the above?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 04, 2011, 12:39:13 PM
OK, back on topic.

Reagan for small government/slashing domestic spending?  Is he for real?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 04, 2011, 01:40:14 PM
I really need to find the time to do that video about the Republican presidents.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 04, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
I really need to find the time to do that video about the Republican presidents.
Indeed.

As for the video I posted above, note the preview screen-shot.  He's got those figures wrong.  Accroding to the BEA, BLS, etc (from my econ text),
Gov't spending as a % of GDP
In 1981:  20.058%
In 1989:  20.040%

Hardly a difference to brag about!  And even if he wasn't wrong about those figures, that government grows at the same rate as the rest of the economy != slashing spending.  It means more spending.
Finally, most of the so-called 'growth' during the Reagan years was because of the bubble (deficits cause inflation, when they don't cause stagnation)!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 04, 2011, 08:51:04 PM
From this idiot: http://marauderosu.livejournal.com/560958.html

"A: Kenya, Botswana, and Somalia
(opens envelope and pulls out question)
Q: Name two African nations and a libertarian's paradise." -- MarauderOSU

And the LJ's only reply to a lesser extent:
"No true libertarian considers any of those nations a 'paradise'. I believe you have us confused with an Anarchist. Don't feel too bad though, it's a common mistake among liberals.

Without law there can be no freedom. --Greek Philosophy" --d_l_leonine

Because the Somalia thing HASN'T been debunked countless times by Ryan Faulk (Fringeelements) and Stefan Molyneux...
Also, I've yet to meet a single anarchist of ANY variety or flavor who is against laws.  We are just against a MONOPOLY on law funded through involuntary means.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 05, 2011, 08:07:54 PM
Every post by bmwm3cs here: http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=Ubmjc83yAtI

Note how, once again, the state-worshipers use the EXACT SAME TACTICS as the creationists. And they wonder why we call it the Cult of the Omnipotent State!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 06, 2011, 09:22:18 AM
This is the kind of fail quote that really annoys me: http://cell-phones.toptenreviews.com/smartphones/htc/htc-evo-4g-review.html

Quote
Running on the 1GHz Snapdragon processor and using Android 2.1, the EVO is similar to the Droid Incredible’s processing features. However, only 1GB of internal memory is stored on the phone, making it a poor comparison to the Incredible’s 8GB. But similar to other HTC phones, there is provided a microSD card slot that will support up to 32GB of additional storage.

Wait...when you say "1GB of internal memory," do you actually mean memory, or do you mean internal storage? Memory deals with how many apps you can run and what you can put in them at one time. Storage is, well, what you store. The reviewer said "additional storage" implying that he was really talking about 1GB of internal storage.

Idiot.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 06, 2011, 12:57:25 PM
And speaking of State Cultists,

"@Guncriminal

correct me if im wrong, you reject both ideas, the venus project and the current system.

but you do not offer any other systems or other solutions? I believe everyone is aware of that

the vp is not perfect, but it's just much better then the system we have today. The world does not need

people who only live to complain. My point is that we don't need your opinion on how bad things are,

unless you can offer a better way. So start working on a better way and then express yourself" --afrodinho, on this video (http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=UTZlNM-1QNM)

Ya' gotta love Venus Project nutbars.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 07, 2011, 06:39:55 AM
Related to the video that surhot just posted over in Fav Quotes by ProfMTH (God appointed Hitler?), I'd like to submit the first half of Romans 13 as a fail quote:

"1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor." --New International Version
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 07, 2011, 06:49:28 AM
While I'm at it, I'd also like to submit Ephesians 6:5-8:

"5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free." --New International Version

EDIT: Also Colossians 3:22 and Titus 2:9:

"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."

"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 07, 2011, 06:59:51 AM
And 1 Peter 2:13-14, 18:

"13 Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right."

"18 Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 07, 2011, 09:51:37 AM
Thanks for the related submission, Shane. :)  Those verses are DEFINITELY worthy of being here.  You get a cluon for that!

I would also add that Lord T Hawkeye said that there seemed to be a contradiction, "what about the communist, anti christian governments?"
Yet, that verse was written while under such a government!  Also, the verse is general.  As far as the bible is concerned, ALL existing governments, including those claiming to be for other religions or even the anti-religious communist governments, exist because Yahweh himself appointed them, and are thus legitimate on that basis alone.
So what is this nonsense of, "This nation was founded on Christian Values" again?  According to the Bible, the colonists rebelled against their governing body (Great Britain) and were therefore going against God.  Then again, many of the founders were Deists too.

Also, so much for the bible (the work which Christians consider the word of God--so no punishing the messenger here :P) being anti-slavery.
I have a conservative friend who goes on about the Quakers being the first abolitionists, yet they clearly were heritical.
Funny how he doesn't mention the Individualist Anarchists during the period of 1812-1860, who not only predated the Spanish Anarchists he loves to hold up (along with the Anarcho-communist my history prof loves holding up), but were also some of the biggest abolitionists of slavery of their time!
Just saying.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 07, 2011, 04:13:13 PM
Also, so much for the bible (the work which Christians consider the word of God--so no punishing the messenger here :P) being anti-slavery.

Yeah, they can't even weasel out of it by claiming that the Old Testament was made obsolete by Jesus (although it wasn't), since this is from the New Testament.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 07, 2011, 04:29:16 PM
Yeah, they can't even weasel out of it by claiming that the Old Testament was made obsolete by Jesus (although it wasn't), since this is from the New Testament.

Oh, yeah.  I double checked to make sure.  All of the verses you posted are from the New Testament.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2011, 07:36:13 PM
All of the following are from the review section of this book:  http://mises.org/store/Against-Intellectual-Monopoly-P552.aspx

"Why is this hypocrit selling the book? I guess he wants to exploit the government monopoly while he still can." --John V
1.  Learn to use spell-check, you idiot.
2.  Screen-shot of a copyright symbol in or on the book, or stfu.  Just because I sell a product doesn't mean I have the government granting me a monopoly on that product.

"why charge for the book?" --Writers & Inventors
Addressed above.

"attribution and ownership are indeed different concepts; but, ultimately there can be no equity in a society without objective, transparent relationships between rights and responsibilities. this book does not explain what is wrong with property as a bundle of rights and yet without royals issuing letters patent, the US has created more jobs than any other nation in history. not because people had a street-corner-performer-donation mentality but because fences make good neighbors. second, there is no empirical evidence to support the arguments. you can always offer your "property" for free: alas, this book is not free. it ain't even "steal this book" free! it is bewildering to think that the authors ignore key debates leading to the original Patent Act & the fact the Founders recognized only two forms of employment in the Constitution - Writers & Inventors. why? the States had ALREADY begun to issue patents (originalists who ignore the 13th, 14th & 15th Amend- conveniently ignore).  " --Writers & Inventors
Let's see...red herrings, broken window fallacy, alluding to evidence, while not providing any, and more red herrings...Pathetic.

"BS" --Rand_Ayn
NO U!

"'All credit goes to the authors here—Michele Boldrin and David Levine of the Washington University in St. Louis—who have undertaken this daring and challenging area of research. They are exemplars of intellectual pioneers. If they have an effect in changing the way people think on this subject, civilization will owe them a huge debt.'
that is really a funny sentence! by their argument- why should i pay for that? why shouldn't i release the book under my name? WHY would THEY want/need/deserve credit for this book? they are just keeping their hardwork from the good of society (or so they would argue!)

shattering myths? until food and shelter are relatively abundant and free to all why should anyone else's work not be compensated- art, literature and music as prime examples? if it is for exposure and the good of society shouldn't all things be free as well? I ask anyone to reflect upon not being given their pay check for working. This is more demeaning to the arts of a society than "monopolizing" of thoughts. As soon as copyright gets abolished I look forward to Corporations capitalizing off the backs of anyone foolish to believe copyright doesn't protect the holders. Copyright is in the US Constitution so Amend that if you feel in unnecessary.  " --Rand_Ayn
1.  *sighs* Addressed above...Sheesh. Because if I'm against the government granting a monopoly on production, I MUST be for that thing fully socialized instead, right? Puh-lease!
2.  Simply signing your name on something =/= getting a government monopoly on production.  Nice strawman, though.
3.  Weak/false analogy.  He was talking about information, NOT scarce physical resources.  Again, nice strawman.
4.  Because Creative Commons doesn't exist, right?  Idiot.  Also, Corporations ARE a creation of government, complete with state-granted with anti-free market privileges like:  Unlimited Debt Shield, Immunity, etc.  Epic fail, dude.
5.  "Copyright is in the US Constitution so Amend if you feel in unnecessary."  Grammar/spelling fail.  Also, so was slavery for a while.  What's your point?
I'm honestly considering making appeal to constitution an unnamed logical fallacy.  I know it's technically already an appeal to authority, but I think it deserves its own name.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 08, 2011, 08:51:58 PM
Love how the last guy didnt read the book at all.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 08, 2011, 10:49:41 PM
"I show in the first place that the state of men without civil society (which state may be called the state of nature) is nothing but a war of all against all; and that in that war, all have a right to all things." -- http://www.youtube.com/user/clownporn1 , blatantly nabbed from that idiot Thomas Hobbes

"If you were to destroy in mankind the belief in immortality, not only love but every living force maintaining the life of the world would at once be dried up. Moreover, nothing then would be immoral; everything would be lawful, even cannibalism. " -- http://www.youtube.com/user/clownporn1 , failing basic economics and math.

"Men would never be superstitious, if they could govern all their circumstances by set rules, or if they were always favoured by fortune: but being frequently driven into straits where rules are useless, and being often kept fluctuating pitiably between hope and fear by the uncertainty of fortune's greedily coveted favours, they are consequently, for the most part, very prone to credulity." -- http://www.youtube.com/user/clownporn1 , failing physics, and showing us that he has never reasoned from first principles in his life.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 09, 2011, 01:03:49 AM
Oh, so you actually understood what he was trying to say? I thought it was just fancy gibberish he wrote to sound intelligent.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 09, 2011, 02:31:02 PM
http://www.slate.com/id/2287539/

"In the movie version of Atlas Shrugged, there is a scene in which Ayn Rand's libertarian heroes defy all odds, deploy some untold amount of private funding, and launch the fastest high-speed train in history over rails of experimental metal...That's in the fantasy world. In the real world, libertarians aren't cheering for high speed rail but rather trying to stop it from being built."

They REALLY don't get it, do they? This is how statism pollutes the mind. They just can't understand why someone would want a service run efficiently by private entrepreneurs who can only get the funding if they convince people to give it to them, but not want that same service run by a government who takes money by force and runs it extremely inefficiently to the point where it harms the local economy and even the environment.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 09, 2011, 02:34:00 PM
Another fail from the same article:

"Amtrak passengers pay more of the cost of their transportation than do drivers on the interstate. About 62 percent of Amtrak's operating expenses, according to the Department of Transportation, comes from fares. According to the Federal Highway Administration, the percentage of highway spending paid for by users—in the form of gas taxes and tolls—is headed below 50 percent."

Yeah, because drivers don't spend anything on fuel, oil changes, vehicle maintenance, etc., right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 09, 2011, 03:14:31 PM
From that article's title: "Why do conservatives hate trains so much?" --Emphasis added by me.
Shane, I'm surprised you of all people would miss that!
Gotta love it when nimrods conflate libertarianism with conversatism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 09, 2011, 03:47:35 PM
Well, the copy was consistent about libertarians (at least in the part I quoted) and usually the headlines are written by someone else. I don't usually consider inconsistencies in the headline as anything else.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 11, 2011, 06:38:13 PM
"@ashane77
I have the freedom to chose which company I work for.

Stef was born in Ireland the country (IRELAND the corporation)

Stef chose to move to Canada the country, (CANADA the corporation)

Considering the mess the Mick's have put themselves into, it looks like he made a good choice of his own free will and accord.

He could have chosen Zimbabwe but that may have conflicted with his own SELF INTEREST.

No one put a gun to his head.

You ask to live under the protection of a company.canUsee." --Darkhorse21x, on this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcKdaK2MDAs)

Gotta love the Social Contract people talking about government like it's some kind of voluntary system.  Really, that's how you know you're dealing with a propaganda-bot.
And yeah, I understand posting this would probably violate Shane's rules on bigotry given part of his comment, but it's here for criticism, etc, so yeah.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 12, 2011, 10:45:51 AM
"A few months ago the vast majority of business economists mocked concerns about a ”double dip,” a second leg to the downturn. But there were a few dogged iconoclasts out there, most notably Stephen Roach at Morgan Stanley. As I’ve repeatedly said in this column, the arguments of the double-dippers made a lot of sense. And their story now looks more plausible than ever.

"The basic point is that the recession of 2001 wasn’t a typical postwar slump, brought on when an inflation-fighting Fed raises interest rates and easily ended by a snapback in housing and consumer spending when the Fed brings rates back down again. This was a prewar-style recession, a morning after brought on by irrational exuberance. To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that, as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble...But wishful thinking aside, I just don't understand the grounds for optimism. Who, exactly, is about to start spending a lot more?" --Paul Krugman in 2002, clearly calling for a housing bubble

"If you read it in context, you’ll see that I wasn’t calling for a bubble — I was talking about the limits to the Fed’s powers, saying that the only way Greenspan could achieve recovery would be if he were able to create a new bubble, which is NOT the same thing as saying that this was a good idea." --Krugman in 2010, clearly backpedalling. He was clearly NOT saying that a housing bubble would not be a good idea; he WAS clearly saying that his problem was he didn't think Greenspan could pull it off.

And then the big fail: "But did I call for low interest rates? Yes. In my view, that’s not what the Fed did wrong. We needed better regulation to curb the bubble — not a policy that sacrificed output and employment in order to limit irrational exuberance. You can disagree if you like, but that doesn’t make me someone who deliberately sought a bubble."

Noooo, you didn't deliberately seek a bubble, you just called for doing all of the things that create bubbles to begin with...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 12, 2011, 02:51:19 PM
Paul Krugman could fill an entire fail quotes thread with his Keynesian stupidity, I swear.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 13, 2011, 03:00:50 PM
"You're being arrogant!" --Most arrogant people

Example:

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2011, 05:15:42 PM
And not to be outdone:

"Harm obviously isn’t a good standard to judge crime" --James (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2010/10/07/the-trouble-with-selling-tribbles/)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 17, 2011, 05:29:10 PM
You should have continued his fail by at least one clause:

"Harm obviously isn’t a good standard to judge crime, because someone stealing your unused eighth car doesn’t harm you"

Really? He didn't spend money to get that car? He doesn't have equity due to his ownership of that car? He has no opportunity to make money in the future from that car, by selling or renting it?

Major unbelievable fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 17, 2011, 10:27:19 PM
Every post by fernieboy100 on this video:

These creationists really make Christianity out as a very amoral religion.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 19, 2011, 04:21:33 PM
"actually you never have told me how you tell the difference between right and wrong - all you say is go read a book - then you get mad when i wont read it." --fernboy100, ignoring that I also posted a video on the very subject, and that the answer to his question was in the book...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 20, 2011, 06:55:49 PM

I wasn't sure whether to start another thread on this.
Oh well.

*EDIT*:  Is the above video a fail quote?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 21, 2011, 02:57:01 PM

Epic fail in the second half of the video:  doctor justifying the FDA.
+4 million people killed as a result of the FDA withholding drugs + defense of this = epic fail.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 22, 2011, 10:49:31 PM
What's worse than a statist defending statism?  Watching someone claiming to be a Libertarian defend statist policies too...

From the comments of this video (fails in red as usual): (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=PVusj2a0pzg)


Panpiper:  Copyright violation is not a crime of theft, it is more analogous to a crime of trespass.
I create a video, which I sell access to online. If it is copied and freely distributed by anyone, I cannot sell access to it. Being unable to profit from it, I cannot continue to create videos. The end result is that I do 'not' create videos. An absolute abrogation of the concept of intellectual property will virtually destroy certain kinds of art.

Me:  For your benefit: mises.org/daily/5025 ("The Fight against Intellectual Property" by Jacob H. Huebert)

Panpiper:  Yes, I am familiar with those arguments, and I am not just unpersuaded; I believe a subsection of libertarianism is being led by the nose straight towards IP socialism with collectivist, utilitarian arguments. A film maker investing millions of their labor and capital into creating a work does not automatically have their work become the collective property of all man kind, simply because it was combined with bits instead of atoms. Socialism destroys that which it would steal.

Me:  Just because someone doesn't have a government granted monopoly of something (IP) doesn't mean he can't sell it, or profit from it. Nor does it mean that innovation can't occur, as the fashion industry and the article linked show.

How about this: mises.org/daily/3631 ("The Fallacy of Intellectual Property" by Daniel Krawisz)

Panpiper:  @vspqbd I cannot compete with free. If I make a video and try to sell it, while others are giving my work away for free, it is quite impossible to earn my investment back. You call it a government granted monopoly. I call it my property, which they simply protect as any, because it is the direct result of my own labor and capital. That others should have the 'right' to copy it, to distribute it, to sell it even, without compensating me for my own investment of labor and capital, is outrageous.

*EDIT* Fixed the hyperlink.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 23, 2011, 12:08:09 AM
I find myself less and less willing to get into huge debates with statists.  I seem to be more willing to just make a few points, and if that doesn't at least push them in the right direction, then it's obvious they're not interested in virtue, and thus I am trying to give them a pill they believe they don't need.
However, if anyone who wants to see me give rebutting commentary to the above IP-nonsense/state apologetics (much like in the Economic Insanity thread), just say so. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 23, 2011, 07:58:59 AM
Do it, DO IT NAO!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 25, 2011, 09:44:59 PM

Note how he doesn't really seem to address the argument that taxation is theft.
So property ownership is subjective?  Makes me wonder what his bank account information is...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on March 28, 2011, 10:21:46 AM
Some jackass on a gaming forum:

Quote
like it or not, and dig up as many studies as you can, piracy definitely hurts digital media sales. I know far too many people who do it. though I will say, far more music than games and movies. you can make a study read whatever you want it to. as the saying goes, there's lies, damn lies, and statistics.


It doesn't matter actual research says, piracy is horrible and nothing will convince me otherwise!

I really hate dogmatic pricks.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 28, 2011, 10:55:12 AM
Quote
like it or not, and dig up as many studies as you can, piracy definitely hurts digital media sales. I know far too many people who do it. though I will say, far more music than games and movies. you can make a study read whatever you want it to. as the saying goes, there's lies, damn lies, and statistics.
Why do I now have a powerful urge to pirate as many video games, music and movies as my connection can handle?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 28, 2011, 11:02:39 AM
Because you are a vile, human degenerate who enjoys the sight of misery and anguish while helping himself to another spoon of baby seal?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 28, 2011, 11:44:46 AM
Because you are a vile, human degenerate who enjoys the sight of misery and anguish while helping himself to another spoon of baby seal?

Absolutely not! Baby seals should be barbecued, not stewed! Come on, we're not barbarians here...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on March 29, 2011, 11:13:50 AM
"Because guns don't get you high?" --A guy on David Gorski's Facebook page, in response to my question as to why gun prohibition would work any better than drug prohibition.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on March 29, 2011, 01:51:55 PM
These ladies beg to differ.  ::)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_29_shKT4Elw/TDy3IKrxtPI/AAAAAAAAKfU/r-aZ8RyKrXg/s1600/1nuns_with_guns_big.jpg)

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on March 30, 2011, 03:50:30 PM
Everything said by bdf2718 on this video's comment section (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=Y3S_mlOwNVc):

Some fun examples:

"Most libertarians are naive, ignorant and deluded. The rest, like the Koch brothers, are fucking liars trying to implement a plutarchy and using the rest of the libertarians as tools.

It's a story we've seen over and over. Only the names and the fairy tales justifying plutarchy change. Communism. Fascism. Catholicism (during the Dark ages, particularly)."
(Nevermind that everything he lists there is an example of a huge government something we are all opposed to by definition...)

After being called out by LTH:
"Oh my. I have never before seen anybody straw-man me by stating the diametric opposite of what I said.

You a sock-puppet of Virgil0211? Nah, you can't be. As trolls go that was very creative."
(Pot.  Kettle.  Black.)

And corrected by me:
"I'd agree with you that pointing out a logical conclusion of one of my points is not a straw man. But that's not what he did. He invented something I did not say. To be charitable he inferred something I did not say. Then he criticised what I did not say. That's straw-manning.

If you look closely you'll even see me criticising the Koch-supported fascism that LTH accuses me of supporting."
From there I got into a scuffle with him that I was way too tired and burned out from school to handle.
Basically, him demanding that I support the claim that he believed/used/whatever the definition of the government as I used it.

Never mind the fact that words have meanings and just because he 'thinks' government means what it does doesn't mean that's what it is...
I don't care what 'his' definition of government is, the reality is that government is a monopoly on the initiation of violence.  Words have meaning.  If I say the 'n-word' spelled out, does it matter how 'I' define it, or does it matter the reality of what it entails?  Same with any other word?  None of his smug-self-righteous bullshit will ever change that.

Unless he's literally talking about another universe or some nonsense.


So yeah...I HATE losing debates like this, especially when involving bullshit semantics with smug-asses like him. >_<
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 02, 2011, 11:17:25 AM
And as promised: 

Panpiper:  Copyright violation is not a crime of theft, it is more analogous to a crime of trespass.
I create a video, which I sell access to online. If it is copied and freely distributed by anyone, I cannot sell access to it. Being unable to profit from it, I cannot continue to create videos. The end result is that I do 'not' create videos. An absolute abrogation of the concept of intellectual property will virtually destroy certain kinds of art.
(Yet he never explains WHY copyright violation is like trespass...or at least does so in a very non-sequitur way)

Me:  For your benefit: mises.org/daily/5025 ("The Fight against Intellectual Property" by Jacob H. Huebert)


Panpiper:  Yes, I am familiar with those arguments, and I am not just unpersuaded; I believe a subsection of libertarianism is being led by the nose straight towards IP socialism with collectivist, utilitarian arguments. A film maker investing millions of their labor and capital into creating a work does not automatically have their work become the collective property of all man kind, simply because it was combined with bits instead of atoms. Socialism destroys that which it would steal.
(Yet you don't REFUTE any of those arguments.  Kind of a big deal there, asshole.)

Me:  Just because someone doesn't have a government granted monopoly of something (IP) doesn't mean he can't sell it, or profit from it. Nor does it mean that innovation can't occur, as the fashion industry and the article linked show.

How about this: mises.org/daily/3631 ("The Fallacy of Intellectual Property" by Daniel Krawisz)

Panpiper:  @vspqbd I cannot compete with free. If I make a video and try to sell it, while others are giving my work away for free, it is quite impossible to earn my investment back. You call it a government granted monopoly. I call it my property, which they simply protect as any, because it is the direct result of my own labor and capital. That others should have the 'right' to copy it, to distribute it, to sell it even, without compensating me for my own investment of labor and capital, is outrageous.

(So it's OK for you to make utilitarian arguments, but the second I make them I'm a 'socialist'? Even though "IP" involves the violation of property rights by definition AND requires, much like socialism an omnipotent state to enforce?  Fuck you, asshole.)

VectorM I didn't forgot (in case you or anyone else were wondering), I've just been up to my forehead in projects for school and only recently got the strength to even try. @_@

I should mention this corporatist fucktard gets his ass handed to him by truthadvocate and selfrealizedexile.
Here's the link again, since for some reason the one I provided didn't work:  http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=PVusj2a0pzg
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2011, 01:35:15 PM
From the comments of this video: 

"The truth is we humans have been eating 'fats', and of course fresh fruits and veg's(high in vitamins) since the cavemans arrived. Since agriculture arrived, planting grains high in calories and carbs, people started to gain diseases. Well, my point is, the message about 'good fats' and 'bad fats', its all a myth, there is no such thing.

In America almost all of the population have cars, almost all of us eat junk, and almost all of us DO NOT EXERCISE." --tuberman890

Because as we all know, disease didn't exist before agriculture, right?
*rolls eyes*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 04, 2011, 01:47:10 PM
I believe Jacob pointed this out, but the reason why we started getting more diseases at that point was that we were living long enough to get them.

It's kind of like when UHC nutbars point out how many more cases of cancer and Alzheimers we get as opposed to the UK (like the NHS has some miracle cure for these or something). It's simply because seniors in the US live longer, and thus have a greater chance of getting them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2011, 02:08:30 PM
Yup, it was in that same video too.

Speaking of Health Care, I find lifestyle and murder rates to make a difference as well.
Hence, I'm feeling bittersweet about this video: 

"rule of thumb" doesn't mean, 'definition' or 'absolute certain rule' it just means a rule with broad application that is not intended to be strictly accurate or reliable for every situation; a guideline.  Also, I almost face-palmed when he mentioned the point about health care being the reason why some countries have better life expectancies than others.  To an extend, but then he doesn't consider the USA one of them, despite us having among the best (albeit expensive) health care on the planet.
Of course it would be even better if it wasn't such a corporatist/socialist clusterfuck, but then, we all knew that.

Also, despite the good work he does regarding anti-vegan videos, this isn't one of his better videos on the subject, as are the ones defending the state (he's an admitted socialist...he's using property, and yet he finds people who use self detonating arguments stupid...interesting).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 04, 2011, 02:18:11 PM
What you need to look at is the life expectancy of the group: of those over 65 (that is, of those who don't die due to other factors like accidents or crime), how long do they live? And we're one of the best countries in the world in that regard.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 04, 2011, 03:39:57 PM
Indeed.

But there's more:

“causing all kinds of preventable conditions in humans like heart disease, obesity, type 2 diabetes and many forms of cancer”

According only to D.Ornish and other such ‘luminaries’ and mostly found in trials that other either couldnt reproduce, was purely analytical (copy paste science) in nature, based on questionaries or which showed not to disciminate between other foods and that more than anything else, wheat and processed sugar was singled out as a culprit since everywhere meat was in the shit people eat, wheat, soy and sugar was right there with it. The lipid hypothesis that have served hypocritical vegan promoters that pose as scientists so well has fallen a part completely.

Late last year teams at Copenhagen university isolated the gene that controls LDL (the bad kind) cholesterol in our body. Thats the good news, we have the culprit. The bad news is that it is a lottery. Some people can gorge on saturated fat, smoke cigars and drink whiskey every day of all their life and be fit is a weasel untill they die at age 100. While others can eat the most pristine foods and drink only holy water from tibet and drop dead from a heart attach at age 45. The fact remains, it is as good 100% out of your control. But exercise seem to do a lot of a difference as does mainting muscle volume throughout life. These are facts! --Homo Carnivorous, http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2011/02/23/vegan-diet-2/

Quite a bit wrong with both of those, really...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 09, 2011, 07:53:45 PM
By this idiot TheUSMetalhead, in the comments of this video:



Quote
Legalize prostitution, about the dumbest idea I can think of.

What that very first guy asked is the issue, legalization will allow pimps to safely engage in slavery and human trafficking. This goof from Carson City is the owner of a well known establishment, the only kind in America, he's a horrible example of what really happens in this world.

Libertarians are mostly good folks who have more in common with progressives like me than any other movement, but they're ignorant on social issues.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 09, 2011, 10:05:33 PM
Yeah, cause everyone knows how safe prostition is right now thanks to the laws...

What is WITH this mentality of "If we remove law X, tragedy Y will occur.  Yeah...Y is already occuring anyway but that doesn't count!"?  You really have to try to be that anti-emperical.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 10, 2011, 07:07:02 AM
Statists chain up a dog and never let him run, which of course causes the dog to become vicious. They then say, "See how vicious that dog is? You see now why I have to keep him chained!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 10, 2011, 09:25:02 AM
Maybe it's just but... doesn't Stossel sound like he has at least one Bourbon per comercial break?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 10, 2011, 09:34:18 AM
He has a speech impediment that he struggles with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 10, 2011, 05:24:33 PM
"I like this video. It is absolutely irrefutable evidence of design and complex thought used in the design of bacteria." --GoodScienceForYou, and everything else he's said.
The source is this video's comments: 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on April 10, 2011, 06:15:45 PM
He has a speech impediment that he struggles with.

Meh, it would be more impressive if he'd do his shows dead drunk.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 13, 2011, 08:13:24 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdxP-3gmNWI&feature=feedu  I like his anti vegan vids but man, he epically fails here
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 13, 2011, 08:29:28 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdxP-3gmNWI&feature=feedu  I like his anti vegan vids but man, he epically fails here

I made it about 45 seconds in, then my head started hurting too much to continue.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on April 13, 2011, 09:50:39 PM
Wait till you get to the part about how war is TOTALLY different than murder.

I should do a vid on this one some time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 13, 2011, 10:49:11 PM
I made it about 45 seconds in, then my head started hurting too much to continue.
And it's about to hurt even more.
check out the comments on this video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba030UmbkCo
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 14, 2011, 03:22:19 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdxP-3gmNWI&feature=feedu  I like his anti vegan vids but man, he epically fails here

Oh, cmon now. I unsubscribe to him, because I can't understand half of what he is saying. Not his fault, not everyone is born an English gentleman after all.

But now this? Seriously.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 15, 2011, 09:05:55 AM
Every comment by MorganMarvinson in the comment section of this video:

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 16, 2011, 03:20:15 PM
Statists chain up a dog and never let him run, which of course causes the dog to become vicious. They then say, "See how vicious that dog is? You see now why I have to keep him chained!"

Shouldn't this be in Fav quotes?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 16, 2011, 03:23:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdxP-3gmNWI&feature=feedu  I like his anti vegan vids but man, he epically fails here

I've already shared my thoughts on that train-wreck of a video with you over AIM last night.
The part that really freaked me out was around 0:57 when he actually defended the atrocities in the Bible.  That's a tactic I've only ever seen from full-blown Young Earth Creationists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 16, 2011, 03:53:37 PM
From the comments of the video that Lord T Hawkeye shared:

"then you'd better be careful that your planned video doesn't backfire." --ThatGuyFromAustria
Is it just me or does that sound like a threat?

"Another fallacy - 'Religion is to blame for most violence in the world and/or history'
No. Though-out history individual groups had become prominent and to retain power they appealed to the masses by spinning whatever beliefs they subscribed to, whether religious or political in nature.
The communists in Asia proved that one doesn't need to be religious to be completely twisted and irrational. They didn't need a God to perform genocide and mass hysteria is not limited to religion." --canucktunes
By that 'logic', cancer is not to blame for the deaths of millions because you don't need to get cancer to die.
Also, I've never heard an atheist say religion was responsible for "all" the violence.  Given his lack of specific examples, I can thus conclude that atheist "fallacy" to be a strawman on his part.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2011, 08:59:45 PM
"@OatSharpener Okay, just making sure. I don't think that is possible in the world that we live in today simply because it is far safer to not bother sending in troops to invade and instead just do damage from the inside. Besides, under certain circumstances, foreign intervention is justified, to a limited degree. I realize that Iraq and Afghanistan were mistakes, but to remove ourselves completely from them at this point would leave a country that utterly despises the US." --Delichtig (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaACuHe0oZ8)

Translation:  AH THE SKY IS FALLING!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 19, 2011, 09:22:30 PM
Yeah, what did he mean by "do damage from the inside"? Is that a dig at "illegal" immigration?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 19, 2011, 10:08:54 PM
Yeah, what did he mean by "do damage from the inside"? Is that a dig at "illegal" immigration?

I have no idea.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on April 20, 2011, 07:17:38 AM
but to remove ourselves completely from them at this point would leave a country that utterly despises the US."[/url]

And staying there will make them hate you less? How?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 21, 2011, 05:54:56 PM
Every single comment by themanofearth on this video:
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 23, 2011, 09:35:38 AM
http://www.copyhype.com/2011/01/the-fallacy-of-intellectual-property-fallacy/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 24, 2011, 04:03:50 AM

1.  Even if a person is careless with their keys or whatever, it doesn't magically make theft no longer theft.
2.  So by his logic, men are animals who can't control themselves and who upon seeing a body will leap at it and rape the crap out of it.
3.  How then, does he account for most rapes (around 75% last I checked) occurring between people who know each other?
4.  Finally, by focusing on the victim he completely lets the dickheads initiating force on BOTH counts of theft and rape completely off the hook.  Really, it reminds me of Alex Jones and his merry band of conspiracy nutters who bitch and moan about the evil "private" bankers, while completely letting the government crooks who established that system to begin with completely off the hook.  Complete fucking tool.
5.  You know, for someone into Ayn Rand and probably others as well, he sure lacks an understanding of natural rights and natural law theory.  His butchering of it near the end is pretty hard to listen to.  Really, his conflation of a defense of property rights (against theft and against rape) and comparing it to "cultural Marxism" (however the fuck this douche bag defines that) is rather pathetic.

Kinda explains why so many state apologists try to use Ayn Rand as an instant win phrase.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 24, 2011, 10:32:30 AM
5.  You know, for someone into Ayn Rand and probably others as well, he sure lacks an understanding of natural rights and natural law theory.

Don't say that as if the two are somehow mutually exclusive--or any great surprise.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 24, 2011, 01:33:35 PM
Don't say that as if the two are somehow mutually exclusive--or any great surprise.

True.  Granted, I've never actually read Rand, nor am I going to.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 24, 2011, 04:09:19 PM
Every comment by kDest left on this video: 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 26, 2011, 10:13:09 PM
That and all of Nightmare060's comments on it too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 27, 2011, 06:37:27 AM
Did you notice his sources were things like Wikipedia, YouTube, and the Huffington Post?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on April 27, 2011, 09:28:21 AM
That and all of Nightmare060's comments on it too.

I love how all of his arguments were addressed here.

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=cpeoZsCobrM&page=2

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=cpeoZsCobrM&page=3

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=cpeoZsCobrM&page=5

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=cpeoZsCobrM&page=7

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=cpeoZsCobrM&page=8

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=cpeoZsCobrM&page=9

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=cpeoZsCobrM&page=10

(Just put them after the youtube URL.) [EDIT: You do realize you can post full links here, right? --MrB]

I'm going to regularly post that in the comments of that video to make sure that anyone who comes across it can easily check where his arguments have been addressed before.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 28, 2011, 11:45:40 PM

I almost didn't post that because I figured it was a joke, but what the hell?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 29, 2011, 01:14:22 AM
Sample: "This is capitalism: where people who have the money control everything."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 29, 2011, 01:22:22 AM
From the same person who us that video about communism: 
Note how every single thing he lists is caused or made worse by government...
Our state has been crushing capitalism over the years and...wait a minute...there's a bigger wealth gap?  How could this have happened?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on April 29, 2011, 09:11:33 AM
Sample: "This is capitalism: where people who have the money control everything."

Isn't that the equivalent of an Illuminati-esque conspiracy theory?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on April 29, 2011, 11:33:42 AM
I thought it was too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 01, 2011, 12:29:58 PM
"Feudalism was based entirely on private property and contracts, just like the Libertarians want in their society [Ergo, libertarians are feudalists]"
- Rundstedt1, Guncriminal's Moron Hall of Fame (http://www.youtube.com/Guncriminal)
I recall kDest trying to argue something like that too, only with him it was a warlord fetish.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 02, 2011, 02:13:09 PM
"Feudalism was based entirely on private property and contracts, just like the Libertarians want in their society [Ergo, libertarians are feudalists]"
- Rundstedt1, Guncriminal's Moron Hall of Fame (http://www.youtube.com/Guncriminal)
I recall kDest trying to argue something like that too, only with him it was a warlord fetish.

This would be a bad time to bring up my interest in swords and medieval swordplay. <.< >.>
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 03, 2011, 07:08:47 AM
Every comment by this idiot http://www.youtube.com/user/Slipknotyk06 in the comments of this video:


Quote
The second in command for Al Qaeda is known. It's Al Zawhiri. He will move up in the absence of Bin Laden. I think keeping on the assault would be a game of whack-a-mole. However, showing mercy may be a mistake. It may give them an opportunity to regroup and conduct an other action against us. It may be rather naive to believe that if we stop attacking them they'll stop attacking us. It's a conflict many generations old.

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As a former Airman, I would love to see this war over. However, I do think that much of the stance of "if we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone" is naivety nearly to the point of retardation. The first strike of Islam on the US was the plunder of cities in the Carolinas and Georgia in the 18th century, and the reprisal was the defeat of these Barbary pirates on the shores of Tripoli in America's first war abroad.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 03, 2011, 08:23:24 AM
If no terrorist steps forward to take bin Laden's place, it will be necessary for our government to create one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 03, 2011, 12:25:11 PM
http://phantom-inker.deviantart.com/journal/40282083/?offset=25#comments

You gotta love people with their "I'm too edumucated to respond to you peasants!" nonsense.  The whole thing is just full of nauseating jingoism.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 03, 2011, 03:45:31 PM
http://phantom-inker.deviantart.com/journal/40282083/?offset=25#comments

You gotta love people with their "I'm too edumucated to respond to you peasants!" nonsense.  The whole thing is just full of nauseating jingoism.

Yeah, I could only handle a line or two of the guy you were conversing with there.  Then I got the urge to claw my eyes out.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 03, 2011, 03:46:55 PM
"This video straw man's Keynes so hard that I want to cry.
Ugh." --TheAnonymouz in response to this video: 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 03, 2011, 04:01:19 PM
And how does he explain the fact that lots of Keynesian economists said they did a good job putting his theory across?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 03, 2011, 04:03:04 PM
He doesn't.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 03, 2011, 06:26:37 PM
"This video straw man's Keynes so hard that I want to cry.
Ugh." --TheAnonymouz in response to this video: 

Sounds like something so stupid, it had to be from Krugman or Stiglitz. Except, if I remember correctly, even they liked the video. At least Stiglitz did. Krugman's gone so far off the deep end these days, he's not even relevant.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 03, 2011, 07:14:26 PM
http://www.slate.com/id/9593
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 03, 2011, 07:33:37 PM
Sounds like something so stupid, it had to be from Krugman or Stiglitz. Except, if I remember correctly, even they liked the video. At least Stiglitz did. Krugman's gone so far off the deep end these days, he's not even relevant.

Krugman should like it--they used his "hangover" metaphor!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 04, 2011, 01:44:32 AM
Related to the video that surhot just posted over in Fav Quotes by ProfMTH (God appointed Hitler?), I'd like to submit the first half of Romans 13 as a fail quote:

"1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor." --New International Version

I can already imagine my conservative agnostic ex-friend saying, "they only wrote stuff like that to avoid the persecution of that awful government..."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 04, 2011, 04:29:41 PM

For saying that Osama's death is a good thing.
And that the military should be praised for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 05, 2011, 04:06:37 PM
Every post made by AmericanNohbuddy in the comments section of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMyQk9qdkKQ).
A sample, but from his profile: "If taxation is theft wouldn't the use of public property when you don't pay your taxes be trespassing?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 06, 2011, 11:07:05 AM
http://www.cracked.com/funny-4179-credit-cards/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 06, 2011, 07:37:10 PM
So if you take out a 10k loan with a credit card and not a bank like a sensible people do and think you're going to get away with paying it back at a measly 2% a month and act surprised when the fees end up adding up because you failed at basic arithmatic, this is all a sign that the BANKS are the assholes and we should be grateful that the people running the world's largest ponzi scheme are on the job to keep our finances safe?

Sure!  Makes perfect sense!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 06, 2011, 09:58:44 PM
So if you take out a 10k loan with a credit card and not a bank like a sensible people do and think you're going to get away with paying it back at a measly 2% a month and act surprised when the fees end up adding up because you failed at basic arithmatic, this is all a sign that the BANKS are the assholes and we should be grateful that the people running the world's largest ponzi scheme are on the job to keep our finances safe?

Sure!  Makes perfect sense!

*Whips out Abacus and Papyrus paper*

*Calculates*

Nope. Can't find anything wrong with that logic there. It must be perfect, then. =P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 06, 2011, 11:00:52 PM
So if you take out a 10k loan with a credit card and not a bank like a sensible people do and think you're going to get away with paying it back at a measly 2% a month and act surprised when the fees end up adding up because you failed at basic arithmatic, this is all a sign that the BANKS are the assholes and we should be grateful that the people running the world's largest ponzi scheme are on the job to keep our finances safe?

Sure!  Makes perfect sense!

That actually wasn't the reason that bit from Cracked was a fail.
It was put there because, according to a comment Shane once made on a video, you would pay back a credit card debt in about 10-15 years when making the minimum payments.  Given that Cracked didn't provide any sources for those figures, I'm going to have to go with Shane on this one.  Occam's Razor and all that.
They blame all of this on overturning of laws regulating and/or banning that sort of thing, but again, given they didn't provide a link to the Federal Register and/or Congress to show this, I am convinced that claim is also bullshit.  So more Occam's Razor for the win.
Here's the thing though.  Even if what they said weren't nonsense, it would STILL vindicate the pro-freedom position.
Think about it.  Who runs the education system that's supposed to TEACH people about that sort of thing?  The government.
Who has been in total control of the money supply and interest rates for almost a century now?  The Government.  Or more specifically the Federal Reserve.
Who's been pumping money into the economy like mad for decades now?  The government's Federal Reserve.
Who's massive taxation and regulation drives up prices relative to disposable income and makes it so people HAVE to take out loans they wouldn't otherwise take on in a free market?  The government.
Who's propping up of fractional reserve banking amplifies inflation and makes people need to take loans more than they otherwise would need on a free market?
(not a fail quote): 
You know this one.
And which sector is the most heavily regulated by our precious government? Yeah, the financial sector (with health care being a close second).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2011, 12:24:38 AM
I originally wasn't going to post this, but after that troll posting a variation of it on one of Shane's videos, I figure I might as well:

Quote from: some state cultist who thought he was clever, but failed miserably at it
"A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE LIBERTARIAN"

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.

The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
(Source: first post in this link (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=28320))

Shane does a good job refuting it, both in that forum post, and on his video's comments too.

Another fail quote would be the person trying to convince him (either in that thread or another) that government isn't force.  I've never seen that kind of nitpicking ever.
Gotta love the insanity statists will go through to justify their religion.
ALL HAIL THE CULT OF THE OMNIPOTENT STATE!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2011, 12:54:11 AM
For posterity, I'll also post the variation of that copypasta by the troll, simply because this is the second time I've seen it posted.  The first time being from that clownporn1 guy, IIRC:

Quote from: AmericanNohbuddy & clownporn1
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy.

I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. Then, I brushed my teeth with that water, filtered to standards set by the EPA and my state.

After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the FED and printed by the Federal Bureau of Engraving and Printing. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

I park my car on the street, paved and maintained by the Department of Transportation, and put quarters issued by the United States Mint into the parking meter.

Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, I drive back to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and the fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log onto the Internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right.
(Source (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=bMyQk9qdkKQ))
As stated in my previous post in this thread, Shane did a pretty good job of refuting that lame copypasta.

Perhaps the biggest fail quote was when, after Shane pointed out that the above is filled with logical fallacies he says:

Quote from: AmericanNohbuddy
What fallacy? You guys use government things every single day, then go online and complain about government.
(Source (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=bMyQk9qdkKQ))
Shane didn't address the elephant in the room, so I will.
It seems these trolls have no humanity left in them, as they don't quite seem to grasp how despicable their argument is.
By AmericanNohbuddy's and clownporn1's logic, a slave who accepts a meal from his master is a hypocrite and wrong for opposing slavery.
Is that a hyperbole?  Not really.  He's basically saying that if you are against government breaking your leg, then if you accept the crutch, you think having your leg broken was actually moral.  There is no difference, not in kind or even degree, only in name and PR.

Or as one of the folks on the Mises Institute forum put it: So public schools, government roads, government regulations, etc etc etc are all voluntary?  Holy shit, someone better tell that to Irwin Schiff.  He's been in the slammer for like, what, 30 years now?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2011, 10:43:05 AM
"War is the best incentive for the scientific and technological development. btw the era of modern computers owes much to the major advances made during the WW2 because of the war." --WarmongerWW3, on Stargazer5781's channel page
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 07, 2011, 10:52:16 AM
"if everything is so bad here, why not go to live in another country?" - my own mother.

She is one of the Obama drones though so that doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2011, 10:59:14 AM
"if everything is so bad here, why not go to live in another country?" - my own mother.

She is one of the Obama drones though so that doesn't surprise me.

I would send her a copy of this:  http://www.harrybrowne.org/articles/AmericaLoveIt.htm (not a fail quote, obviously).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 07, 2011, 03:57:17 PM
Is it just me, or is that CFLarsen dude, from the Randi forums, a giant cockbag?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 07, 2011, 04:03:01 PM
Pretty much, yes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2011, 04:51:22 PM
Is it just me, or is that CFLarsen dude, from the Randi forums, a giant cockbag?
Yeah.  If memory serves, he was the one going through the massive evasion of government being force.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 07, 2011, 05:04:54 PM
"if everything is so bad here, why not go to live in another country?" - my own mother.

She is one of the Obama drones though so that doesn't surprise me.

"Yeah, sure. I'll move just like you did during Bush's presidency. I mean, you sucked it up and dealt with it, right? Oh, wait. I guess you just don't have any arguments left."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 07, 2011, 05:24:08 PM
"Yeah, sure. I'll move just like you did during Bush's presidency. I mean, you sucked it up and dealt with it, right? Oh, wait. I guess you just don't have any arguments left."

FLAWLESS VICTORY
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 08, 2011, 02:53:41 PM
"The Chicago economist then writes that the Federal Reserve is charged with limiting inflation, 'which it can do over the long run by limiting the supply of money and similar assets in the hands of the public.'" --Casey B. Mulligan (http://mises.org/daily/5269)

What!?  Is Mulligan on mad crack?  Does he not know what Quantitative Easing even is?  As many complaints as I have had about my own economics professor, at least he admitted that Quantitative Easing = firing up the printing press.

And people wonder why Austrian School Economists have so little (if any) respect for the Chicago School of Economics...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 08, 2011, 03:26:27 PM
It's hard to believe that Milton Friedman and Ben Bernanke are from the same school...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 08, 2011, 03:53:52 PM
It's hard to believe that Milton Friedman and Ben Bernanke are from the same school...

Where did I say they were? :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 08, 2011, 04:06:29 PM
No, they are: they're both monetarists!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 08, 2011, 04:14:31 PM
No, they are: they're both monetarists!

NM.  I misinterpreted your post.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 08, 2011, 07:33:07 PM
FLAWLESS VICTORY

Ironically, I wasn't allowed to play Mortal Kombat when I was a kid, and I was never good at it when I could sneak it at the arcade or when they finally let me play it. =P

I prefer this fighting game reference, if only to inflate my own ego:

or this:

And is it just me, or is that argument the fighting game equivalent of this?:

No, they are: they're both monetarists!

That reminds me of another fail quote. Not for the quote itself, but what he ended up doing later.

"Friedman, about the depression, you were right. We did it, and we're very sorry." - Bernanke on accepting appointment to federal reserve chairman.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 08, 2011, 09:36:05 PM
Ironically, I wasn't allowed to play Mortal Kombat when I was a kid, and I was never good at it when I could sneak it at the arcade or when they finally let me play it. =P

I prefer this fighting game reference, if only to inflate my own ego:

or this:

And is it just me, or is that argument the fighting game equivalent of this?:

That reminds me of another fail quote. Not for the quote itself, but what he ended up doing later.

"Friedman, about the depression, you were right. We did it, and we're very sorry." - Bernanke on accepting appointment to federal reserve chairman.

No love for SNK?!

I'll take King of Fighters over Street Fighter any day of the week.


As far as fail quotes go, this one is more relevant if you are a fan of pro wrestling, but some of the stuff in here is just so baffling that even people who aren't wrestling fans can see the bullshit for what it is.

http://www.imdb.com/list/A5QwbNs75to/

Some examples include:
Quote
If anyone reading this is a parent of a child who's a wrestling fan, please, for the sake of the true wrestling fans (the ones who were watching before your young child started watching and will still be there by the time your child stops...assumimg wrestling isn't in the gutter by then) stop letting your kids watch wrestling, or at least stop buying them John Cena merchandise. Maybe then, WWE will see that a rated PG show for wrestling doesn't work.

Or how about this one in reference to Chris Benoit:
Quote
Everyone heard the news story. In 2007, Chris Benoit murdered his wife and son before committing suicide. In addition to being a horrible person in general, Benoit's actions led to WWE becoming less ballsy and less edge, and more careful with their storylines so as not to offend anyone. Yes, Benoit killed the "attitude" once and for all (though to be fair, the attitude was already on its way out. Benoit only put the exclamation point on its death).

And then there's the fact that Benoit's actions led to WWE implementing a stupid drug-testing policy that has led to wrestlers being suspended, fired, or lowered in status when the product would probably be better if they were still in prominent spots. It's because of this policy that a great wrestler like Rob Van Dam was frustrated and decided to quit WWE, that a great future star like Brian Kendrick was fired, and that great wrestlers like William Regal and John Morrison are unable to become the top stars they deserve to be.

It's all because of Benoit.

It should be noted that this particular person is saying that these people are ruining the business.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 08, 2011, 09:40:37 PM
No love for SNK?!

I'll take King of Fighters over Street Fighter any day of the weak.

Didn't SNK go under about 10 years ago?

And remember, Akuma kicked the ass of the main villain from the SNK series in Capcom VS SNK.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 08, 2011, 09:45:02 PM
Didn't SNK go under about 10 years ago?

And remember, Akuma kicked the ass of the main villain from the SNK series in Capcom VS SNK.

SNK Playmore is still going (New name, same company.)

Also, Rugal is not a main villain in the KOF series. Canonically, he only appeared in KOF 94 and 95. He does make appearances in the "dream match" games, but he's not a main villain. That being said, you could also make the argument that it's just Capcom giving themselves the boost.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 08, 2011, 10:16:22 PM
SNK Playmore is still going (New name, same company.)

Also, Rugal is not a main villain in the KOF series. Canonically, he only appeared in KOF 94 and 95. He does make appearances in the "dream match" games, but he's not a main villain. That being said, you could also make the argument that it's just Capcom giving themselves the boost.

Actually, it was originally playmore. It got started after SNK originally went under, and didn't go by SNK playmore until 2003. So, yeah, SNK did go under for a couple of years. I just prefer the street fighter characters, as well as the music. Just my personal preference.

And I think capcom has a right to brag. They've done very well for themselves, and they've never gone under even once. =P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 10, 2011, 08:30:52 PM
Every comment by eirefrance on this video: 

I was going to rebut his latest bloviating, hand-waving nonsense posts to me, but after seeing this:

"I'm not sure I would describe the Nazis as corrupt. Corruption isn't really the right word for crazy fundamentalists tied to their beliefs above all, including economic policy. But private German and non-German companies did use forced labor from Nazis and profited from it. And some of those companies are still around today." (Emphasis added by me.)

I finally realized that he's too far gone into the cult of statism to be worth any more of my precious time.
Aside from the obvious, given the insanity he's spewed, I think it's safe to say he just affirmed Godwin's Law.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 11, 2011, 09:05:29 AM
Every comment by eirefrance on this video: 

I was going to rebut his latest bloviating, hand-waving nonsense posts to me, but after seeing this:

"I'm not sure I would describe the Nazis as corrupt. Corruption isn't really the right word for crazy fundamentalists tied to their beliefs above all, including economic policy. But private German and non-German companies did use forced labor from Nazis and profited from it. And some of those companies are still around today." (Emphasis added by me.)

I finally realized that he's too far gone into the cult of statism to be worth any more of my precious time.
Aside from the obvious, given the insanity he's spewed, I think it's safe to say he just affirmed Godwin's Law.

What? You're just gonna leave him alone after that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 11, 2011, 02:27:32 PM
Every single quote from our newest forum member sonylr. And by every single quote, I really do mean EVERY SINGLE DAMN QUOTE.

He only has 10 or so, but DAAAYUM. Makes my head spin.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 11, 2011, 03:22:19 PM
Our new RCO?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 11, 2011, 03:53:14 PM
I thought sfiorare was the new RCO?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 11, 2011, 04:19:25 PM
Actually, to be honest, at first glance I thought sonylr was a spammer. But none of his posts were actual spam.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 11, 2011, 04:49:28 PM
Every time I see the same user responding to the a whole bunch of threads at the same time, I assume spam too. Boy, was I unpleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 11, 2011, 04:51:50 PM
@Shane & VectorM:  You thought it was spam at first too, huh?  Glad I wasn't the only one.  And yes, his gibbering definitely belongs in the fail quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 11, 2011, 05:31:13 PM
@Shane & VectorM:  You thought it was spam at first too, huh?  Glad I wasn't the only one.  And yes, his gibbering definitely belongs in the fail quotes.

Don't be too harsh on him. His posts seem like they're ESL.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 11, 2011, 06:23:33 PM
Don't be too harsh on him. His posts seem like they're ESL.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 12, 2011, 10:08:05 AM
From http://www.cracked.com/article_19192_6-things-you-wonE28099t-believe-got-banned-by-modern-governments.html
"As much as we love thinking of ourselves as the rebellious kids fighting against an oppressive society run by unreasonable old men, the truth is that most things that are illegal are illegal for a reason. Society just doesn't enjoy your public urination as much as you do.

But sometimes, the grownups get it wrong. Hilariously wrong, in fact."

Yes, because our mommy governments are pure heated and who follow the will and best interest of the people--you stupid rebel brats--and anything not in the spirit of the public interest is a mere anomaly that can be voted out in the next election.  *rolls eyes*

Asside from that godawful condescending introduction, the rest of the article seems decent (Granted, I've only read the last item on the list).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 13, 2011, 06:47:37 PM

Not a fail quote:  "This is so unfortunate that a nutritionist like her is promoting such false and misleading information. She is identifying High Fructose Corn Syrup with Fructose in fruits!

The fructose in high fructose corn syrup is from genetically modified, dead corn. It is chemically converted to corn syrup. It has been proven clinically that it produced visceral fat which leads to the metabolic syndrome.

HFCS has also proved to cause diabetes. Such a shame. She gives us nutritionists a bad image." --metabolismmakeover1 

So is there a difference between HFCS and the Fructose in fruit?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2011, 08:37:54 PM
Every comment made by ThickShades0 in this video's comment section:

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 16, 2011, 08:40:42 PM
This entire image.

(http://www.leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/types_of_libertarian1.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 16, 2011, 08:47:16 PM
This entire image.

[Image omitted from quote to save space.]

Oh, we've seen that one.  Unfortunately for the makers of the original, The folks at the Mises Institute forum have as well, and, well, let's just say they had some fun with it:

(http://i.imgur.com/2axVG.png)

(http://laughingatpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/24typesof.png)

(http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/the24typesofauthoritarian1.gif)

It should go without saying that the above three aren't fail quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 17, 2011, 04:33:45 PM
"Why would you vote Libertarian? They only get 1% of the vote. You should vote for a party that actually stands a chance of winning." - My uncle.

"I believe that those who have more money should be forced by the government to give some of their money to those less fortunate than them. We all live in the same community, and if someone doesn't want to help out, they should leave." - My mother.

"I vote for Democrats because that is my team. It's like the New York Giants vs. The Dallas Cowboys. I don't really care about their position, but I can't stand to watch my team lose." - My brother

I think I've mentioned that my family is full of idiots right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 17, 2011, 04:56:54 PM
"Why would you vote Libertarian? They only get 1% of the vote. You should vote for a party that actually stands a chance of winning." - My uncle.

The "horse race" mentality.

Quote
"I believe that those who have more money should be forced by the government to give some of their money to those less fortunate than them. We all live in the same community, and if someone doesn't want to help out, they should leave." - My mother.

The "I want to feel generous but I don't want to actually give my own money so I want to force others to do it" mentality.

Quote
"I vote for Democrats because that is my team. It's like the New York Giants vs. The Dallas Cowboys. I don't really care about their position, but I can't stand to watch my team lose." - My brother

The "Should really be at frat houses crunching beer cans against his forehead rather than having anything to do with setting policy" mentality.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 17, 2011, 07:29:03 PM
"Why would you vote Libertarian? They only get 1% of the vote. You should vote for a party that actually stands a chance of winning." - My uncle.
Refuted by Shane in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjUtYQ1dvuA)

"I believe that those who have more money should be forced by the government to give some of their money to those less fortunate than them. We all live in the same community, and if someone doesn't want to help out, they should leave." - My mother.
Government welfare:  When you care so much about a stranger, you're willing to have government rob another stranger at gunpoint to pay for the first one's expenses.

"I vote for Democrats because that is my team. It's like the New York Giants vs. The Dallas Cowboys. I don't really care about their position, but I can't stand to watch my team lose." - My brother

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/mvp27444/l_cb959ca2996ecf8df49a20767a333a68.jpg?t=1243325228)


I think I've mentioned that my family is full of idiots right?
Yes, many times.  And if those quotes are the sort of thing you deal with on a daily basis, I really can't say I blame you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 17, 2011, 08:28:49 PM
The "I want to feel generous but I don't want to actually give my own money so I want to force others to do it" mentality.

Yeah, I've had debates about this issue several times with my mother.

I've told her several times that you cannot force charity. Charity simply is not force. That's the whole point. It's supposed to be a choice. You choose to donate. Once you eliminate the choice, you've turned charity into nothing more than government run armed robbery.

Of course being the state cultist she is, she treats government like a god figure and deems them beyond our standards and thus, if they do it, it must be for the greater good...unless they're Republicans.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 17, 2011, 11:06:22 PM
"@Virgil0211: Something like that :) Remember, though, Vietnam, Korea and a few other "police actions" also weren't "wars" by definition, despite loss of life on several sides and the use of military force. The moronic "war on ~fitb~" they come up with are not actual wars and don't involve the military or have targets you can apply military force to. All they have ever done is criminalize and stigmatize some of the population, cost billions or aggrandize some political hack or all three." --RyuDarragh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNCv9BgPb58)

As Virgil so eloquently responded (not a fail):  "@RyuDarragh *sigh* I remember when words used to mean something, back in the 1800s..."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on May 18, 2011, 01:37:11 AM
I thought sfiorare was the new RCO?

I thought I was the new RCO.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 18, 2011, 04:14:38 AM
No, you are just the current Gumba Masta.

Quote
I think I've mentioned that my family is full of idiots right?

I've told this story before, but there was this one time when I told my family about Lysander Spooner. I didn't remember his name at the time I talked about him, so I just explained what he did. How he run a private postal service, that did a better job than the one the government provided, at a cheaper price. And how the government shut him down, so they won't need to compete with him.

And then, almost everyone said, that it was another private organization that shut him down. I did a mental face-palm after that.

Keep in mind, they had NO IDEA who this guy was, before I mentioned him. They've never heard of this story, EVER. And yet they had the audacity to tell me what actually happened. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 18, 2011, 06:24:06 AM
Keep in mind, they had NO IDEA who this guy was, before I mentioned him. They've never heard of this story, EVER. And yet they had the audacity to tell me what actually happened. Unbelievable.

Yeah, I get that all the time: someone's never heard of someone or something and two minutes later they're acting like an expert about it.

I get that with some other people, too, can't think of whom right at the moment...something to do with biology, and they pretend to be knowledgeable of principles of biology and evidence for morphology and genetics they hadn't heard of five minutes earlier...let's see, whom am I thinking of...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 18, 2011, 02:36:06 PM
"Like the rest of America I cheered at the news of the killing of Osama bin Laden. I was thrilled. It made my night…and the next day too. One of the great vile, evil, villains of modern history had been eliminated. If you weren’t celebrating, there is a chip missing from your DNA." --Wayne Allyn Root

<RED_DWARF>No, he hasn't--you're still here!</RED_DWARF>
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 18, 2011, 04:02:11 PM
"Who are you to ask whether or not God's action is justified? Whatever God does is just no matter what you say or think." - A super Christian I had a conversation with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 18, 2011, 04:20:25 PM
Ask him the age-old question: does God do it because it's just, or is it just because God does it?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 18, 2011, 04:24:13 PM
Ask him the age-old question: does God do it because it's just, or is it just because God does it?

That's really not even the worst of it.

Here's one person's view of why atheists are wrong when it comes to the afterlife:
"So I can't really understand how Atheist can say there is god or heaven when 1)No dead Atheist has ever come and been like 'Well there no heaven guys, I been down here for hours and I'm just rotting', It's kinda silly in alot of ways."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 18, 2011, 10:02:05 PM
That's really not even the worst of it.

Here's one person's view of why atheists are wrong when it comes to the afterlife:
"So I can't really understand how Atheist can say there is god or heaven when 1)No dead Atheist has ever come and been like 'Well there no heaven guys, I been down here for hours and I'm just rotting', It's kinda silly in alot of ways."

So I can't really understand how Christians can say there is no Nirvana or enlightenment when 1) No dead Christian has ever come back and been like "Sorry, but there's no Nirvana guys, I been here hours and I'm just rotting." It's kinda silly in alot of way.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 19, 2011, 12:55:33 AM
http://mises.org/daily/5294
I really lost a lot of respect for Jeffrey Tucker with this one.  Honestly, the this left such a bad taste in my mouth, I couldn't even get through it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 19, 2011, 03:45:20 AM
http://mises.org/daily/5294
I really lost a lot of respect for Jeffrey Tucker with this one.  Honestly, the this left such a bad taste in my mouth, I couldn't even get through it.

Because he said stupid things, or because he talks about Bieber in a positive way (I guess that would be the stupid part)?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 19, 2011, 08:46:17 AM
Because he said stupid things, or because he talks about Bieber in a positive way (I guess that would be the stupid part)?

That, and for using a documentary ("Never Say Never") as an authoritative source.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 19, 2011, 09:37:44 AM
That, and for using a documentary ("Never Say Never") as an authoritative source.

So you lost a lot of respect for him, because he talks about Bieber in a positive way?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 19, 2011, 09:41:32 AM
So you lost a lot of respect for him, because he talks about Bieber in a positive way?
Well, when you compare *him* to the Beatles and Elvis, I facepalm.  Though using a documentary as an authoritative source was the straw that broke my back and got me to stop reading.

I was annoyed Jeffrey brought him up at all, though.

I apologize if I'm coming off as being a bit petty, but I'm just really sick of people mentioning *him* at all.  I can't tell you how many top rated youtube comments I've seen bashing *him*.  I'm just sick of hearing about him. >_<
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on May 19, 2011, 10:01:39 AM
Well, when you compare *him* to the Beatles and Elvis, I facepalm.  Though using a documentary as an authoritative source was the straw that broke my back and got me to stop reading.

I was annoyed Jeffrey brought him up at all, though.

I apologize if I'm coming off as being a bit petty, but I'm just really sick of people mentioning *him* at all.  I can't tell you how many top rated youtube comments I've seen bashing *him*.  I'm just sick of hearing about him. >_<

THIS!

I wouldn't have ever known who he was had people not constantly bashed the kid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 19, 2011, 10:13:01 AM
THIS!

I wouldn't have ever known who he was had people not constantly bashed the kid.
Thanks! I'm glad I'm not the only person who feels that way. :)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on May 19, 2011, 01:04:46 PM
Well, when you compare *him* to the Beatles and Elvis, I facepalm.

Well, this is just my opinion, not based on anything substantial, but i think that if the Internet existed back in those days, Elvis would be treated the same way Bieber is treated today - the mainstream loves him, the Internetz hate him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on May 20, 2011, 07:53:03 AM
No, you are just the current Gumba Masta.

I'm also the past and the future one...
OMFG!
I just realised, I'm motherfucking eternal!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 20, 2011, 08:32:07 AM
How about, anything said by mba2ceo, anywhere on my channel?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2011, 11:05:43 AM
I'm also the past and the future one...
OMFG!
I just realised, I'm motherfucking eternal!

So you're god?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on May 20, 2011, 11:48:41 AM
If he's God, I want my tithes back...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on May 20, 2011, 02:37:23 PM
I'm not THAT incompetent.
Although I do a great deal in suffering once in a while.
One of my pictures even got linked on a tvtropes page for tear jerkers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 20, 2011, 04:18:36 PM
THIS!

I wouldn't have ever known who he was had people not constantly bashed the kid.

I think that chick singing 'Friday' was worse, personally...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 20, 2011, 05:11:51 PM
I think that chick singing 'Friday' was worse, personally...
Rebecca Black, IIRC.  I can't tell you how many parodies of that song I've seen.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 22, 2011, 10:17:31 PM

Daww, he cute!  He's trying to think.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on May 22, 2011, 11:00:22 PM
So you're god?

He's like god, but without all of that annoying judgment.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on May 24, 2011, 11:25:33 AM

Daww, he cute!  He's trying to think.

Oh check this out.

I posted to his vid saying "Then I gather you're of the school that the more the state regulates the economy, the better it gets?

Tell me, how's that working out for you so far?"

He replies "Unlike you, I don't live in a black and white world."

I try to post again saying "That's not an answer."

"Comment pending approval"

...

Color. Me. Surprised.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on May 24, 2011, 11:39:37 AM
Oh check this out.

I posted to his vid saying "Then I gather you're of the school that the more the state regulates the economy, the better it gets?

Tell me, how's that working out for you so far?"

He replies "Unlike you, I don't live in a black and white world."

I try to post again saying "That's not an answer."

"Comment pending approval"

...

Color. Me. Surprised.
What?  Dsglop being a dick?  No...that NEVER happens! *awesomeface*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 02, 2011, 11:27:06 AM
Every comment from an anti-libertarian in this thread: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/06/oh_so_thats_what_the_libertari.php

It's once again amazing how so many skeptics turn it all off in the political arena and behave EXACTLY like creationists.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 02, 2011, 07:25:10 PM
Quote
Phil says:
 do you believe the market includes medical care & education?
D says:
 Yes
 I do
Phil says:
:(
D says:
 Why is the government the only one who can handle health care and education?
 The government is incompetent
Phil says:
 our current one is
D says:
 You know why 9/11 wasn't an inside job? Because the government is too incompetent to do something like 9/11
 that's why
 Watergate is the answer to all of this
 If they couldn't cover something so simple as that up, they can't do anything right
Phil says:
 if we're talking ideal world here, I imagine a small government could handle a simple healthcare system
D says:
 Problem is, before government involvement, health care was much better
Phil says:
 Umm... in a way, yes
D says:
 as far as insurance goes, almost everyone was covered, and those who weren't were capable to go to free clinics and charity clinics
 I'm talking the financial side of it
Phil says:
 the problem with that is the time period during which most medical advances were made
D says:
 not the actual medicine itself
 The problem was, lobbyists complained that health care was too cheap, and so they demanded government make the AMA (American Medical Association) so that they could distribute licenses and force doctors to have higher wages
 Once that happened, the free and charity clinics were disbanded because they weren't capable of getting the licenses
Phil says:
 but... doctors don't get paid particularly well for the high stress & education required
D says:
 Problem is you have a monopoly on the system
 Are the AMA the only group of people in the world who are capable of determining who is worthy of practicing medicine?
Phil says:
 problem is listening to stupid lobbyists
D says:
 Like I said, government gave them the power
 Government works like this
 they break your leg
 hand you a crutch
 then claim that without them, you wouldn't be able to survive
 They fuck shit up, make regulations that do very little, then claim that the evil free market is responsible for the problems
Phil says:
 So religious indoctrination?
D says:
 Essentially
 It's funny
 I know a lot of atheists who complain about religious dogma, but they turn that shit off once they get in the political debate
 they become as dogmatic as the creationists they despise
 If you believe that government is the only group of people who are qualified to handle matters, then that is practically superstitious in it's own right
Phil says:
 I loved on PZ's blog this morning, there was an Ayn Rand thread. And oh did the battle commence
D says:
 How about the FDA?
 The FDA is government run
 people complain that if the FDA were private, they'd be corrupt and only listen to pharmaceutical companies
 they do that now
 in a 2001 report from Washington Post, the FDA admitted that they do their best to not upset their corporate sponsors
Phil says:
 Umm... the current system is fucked
 but I don't think all future systems involved in regulating medicare have to be complete fubar
 I think there is a sane way to do it
D says:
 However, in the private sector, we have a company called United Laboratories
 They certify all electronic appliances
Phil says:
 without leaving it in the 'free' market
D says:
 or most of them
 UL can be sued
 the FDA can't
 UL is one of the least corrupt companies ever and they've been around for a century
 UL knows that if they fuck up, their competition will take over
 Make them compete. Basic principal of competition creates better quality with lower prices.
 I actually made a large post about this in a thread about Britain's NHS cutting funding and thus denying people surgeries due to lack of funding
 If we leave it in a free market, there is far less force and taxpayers save a lot of money
 In the United States, it is illegal for people for one to buy insurance from another state
 for example, I live in Connecticut
 if I want insurance from Delaware
 it is illegal for me to buy it
Phil says:
 ... I don't know if you're following my point
D says:
 I know your point
 but my point is, the free market method is a much easier and efficient way to work things
 it involves no force and saves money for taxpayers
 Can you give me a legitimate and rational reason why we should not go with this?
Phil says:
 in most cases, I'd say yes. But in the case of education & medicare exclusively, I say no. And here's why
 What is the primary purpose of medicare when run by the government compared to the primary purpose of medicare run by a private company?
D says:
 Do you believe that health insurance is a right?
 Do you believe that government is the only group of people who can give proper health care?
 Also, you do realize that this is an economic issue, and not an actual medical issue right?
 It needs to be looked at from a purely economic standpoint
 No one actually complains about the treatment itself, just how to pay for it
Phil says:
 and that is entirely my point
D says:
 And again, like I stated before. Before government got involved, there were free and charity clinics.
 When you give government the power to decide who can and can't practice medicine and what your insurance will cover, it raises the prices through taxes
Phil says:
 the government isn't running medicare for profit. No one wins by charging too much
D says:
 That's a crock of shit
 you pay for it through taxes
 Look at it this way
 with each thing that is covered in your care, you have to pay for them through your taxes
 Why should I have to pay for materinty if I'm a single male
 Why should I have to pay for alcoholics rehabilitation if I'm a non drinker
Phil says:
 because women are paying for your prostate exam
D says:
 That's force, and I'm against that
 My argument is against the idea of force and implements more choice
 and costs far less
 Why should I have to pay for someone else? Why should someone else be forced to pay for me?
Phil says:
 I don't trust the invisible hand of the free market not to crush the weak masses in the name of personal greed
D says:
 (facepalm_
 )*
 Okay, that sounds like government cultist
Phil says:
 I don't
 I like the idea, but reality demonstrates clearly that morality has nothing to do with the way the world is run
 why then should we expect basic moral tenets to exist in our economic system?

My buddy Phil here is generally a smart guy, but like most atheists, the second he gets in the political debate, he shuts it all off.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 02, 2011, 07:57:03 PM
Quote
I like the idea, but reality demonstrates clearly that morality has nothing to do with the way the world is run
 why then should we expect basic moral tenets to exist in our economic system?

Why should you expect it from government? If morality has nothing to do with the way the world is run, then why the HELL would you set up a system where people have a monopoly on force against others?

I forget who said this, but if people are moral, you don't need a government; if people are immoral, you don't dare have one!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 02, 2011, 08:08:23 PM
Why should you expect it from government? If morality has nothing to do with the way the world is run, then why the HELL would you set up a system where people have a monopoly on force against others?

I forget who said this, but if people are moral, you don't need a government; if people are immoral, you don't dare have one!

I know what you mean bro. It's been stated time and time again that the minute these "anti-dogmatists" get into the political debate they shut that all off.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 03, 2011, 10:46:19 AM
This entire video.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2011, 12:44:51 AM
Why should you expect it from government? If morality has nothing to do with the way the world is run, then why the HELL would you set up a system where people have a monopoly on force against others?

I forget who said this, but if people are moral, you don't need a government; if people are immoral, you don't dare have one!

I was the one who first posted that quote here.  I saw it in the signature of some dude at the Mises Institute forum.  I don't know where he got it though.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2011, 12:46:27 AM
This entire video.


Not a fail quote, would be Ladyattis' video response to that trainwreck of a video: 
Also not a fail: 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2011, 12:49:15 AM
Phil says:
 I don't trust the invisible hand of the free market not to crush the weak masses in the name of personal greed
D says:
 (facepalm_
 )*
 Okay, that sounds like government cultist
Phil says:
 I don't
 I like the idea, but reality demonstrates clearly that morality has nothing to do with the way the world is run
 why then should we expect basic moral tenets to exist in our economic system?

ALL HAIL THE CULT OF THE OMNIPOTENT STATE
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2011, 01:04:54 AM
Phil says:
 but... doctors don't get paid particularly well for the high stress & education required

OK, this guy is a fucking moron.  The ridiculous education requirements are a PART of the barriers to entry of people in the medical profession, not a reason to pay them even more.  Same goes for a good amount of the stress.  If there was a higher supply of doctors, they wouldn't have to work > 12 hours a day with people waiting over an hour and rescheduling at a better time.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 04, 2011, 07:27:33 AM
Not a fail quote, would be Ladyattis' video response to that trainwreck of a video:

Why won't those videos show up in my ladyattis subscription or in her channel?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 04, 2011, 01:54:08 PM
Why won't those videos show up in my ladyattis subscription or in her channel?
When did you first sub to her?  It says those videos were made in May 7, 2009 and May 27, 2009.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 04, 2011, 03:44:15 PM
Yeah, I was subbed back then. Oh, well.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on June 11, 2011, 12:02:09 PM
I was watching CGRUndertow review Super Mario Land. In the review, the guy was tearing the game apart, going as far as to claim it was the worst Mario game ever. A lot of people commented showing their disapproval of the person's position on the game. Not too long after, some ditz throws this pile of vomit in the comments section.

Quote
These comments are an example of how we've lost our freedom to say what we want.

This is a review, not a place where you kiss everyones ass and agree with them. There will always be atleast one peson who disagrees.

I believe that Super Mario Land is a great game, and I don't want to shout at a guy for having a different opinion. That's just shallow.

I'm liking this as encouragement for saying something like this. You've got to have balls to say that.

This guy doesn't understand that freedom isn't a one way street apparently.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 18, 2011, 07:15:09 AM
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2088nyr.jpg)

Public schooling at its finest!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 21, 2011, 01:09:17 PM
From the comments of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zppY0EzNy6I) (fails in red, wins in blue, as usual):

Me:  "Libertarian Socialist/Anarcho-Socialist: The biggest contradiction in all of political science."

SecularNumanist:  "not by etymology"

Me:  "'Libertarian: 1789, "one who holds the doctrine of free will" (opposed to necessitarian), from liberty (q.v.) on model of unitarian, etc. Political sense of "person advocating liberty in thought and conduct" is from 1878. U.S. Libertarian Party founded in Colorado, 1971.' (Online Etymology Dictionary)
"anarchy: 1530s, from Fr. anarchie or directly from M.L. anarchia, from Gk. anarkhia "lack of a leader, the state of people without a government" (in Athens, used of the Year of Thirty Tyrants, 404 B.C., when there was no archon), noun of state from anarkhos "rulerless," from an- "without" (see an- (1)) + arkhos "leader" (see archon)." (Online Etymology Dictionary)

Even if that wasn't the case, your post would still be a bogus appeal to etymology."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on June 21, 2011, 09:09:34 PM
"The only school of economics that rails about "Keynsian" economics is Austrian. And its not a school, its a propaganda machine. If you honestly believe that accredited colleges only teach Keynsian economics your head is so far up your ass no light can reach you. There's a rich history in economics and dozens of schools of thought that are taught. Out of all these schools, guess what the ONE train of thought is that can't get a paper past peer review. Yup: Austrian."

Comment from this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j3_Ki6R3z0&lc=In_B2P1J37rBI5OMlvzPGXnLEit-DXHRHzFdCEhiYjQ&feature=inbox

I notice he never even addresses my point about the two schools' respective track records.  Odd that...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on June 26, 2011, 12:48:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15zKIlqkkhc

*groan*
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on June 29, 2011, 07:50:50 AM
Another from The Punk Patriot

"The state's purpose is to defend the rights of individual citizens against powerful private interests. The state is supposed to serve as a citizen's union. The constitution ties the governments hands from infringing on individual liberty (or is supposed to), and the government also lifts up the poor and powerless from serfdom by protecting them from the sociopathic wealthy and powerful who seek to become even more wealthy, and even more powerful."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on June 29, 2011, 09:27:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15zKIlqkkhc

*groan*

Did he just invalidate the entire study of Fuzzy Logic?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 01, 2011, 10:37:56 AM
Did he just invalidate the entire study of Fuzzy Logic?

No, but goddamn, that won't stop him from trying!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 01, 2011, 10:43:40 AM
From the comments of this video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQfpvQKUodY
As usual, fails in red, wins in blue.

FletchforFreedom:  "@BeauJames59 As, of course, the market (capitalism) you denigrate is entirely responsible for 300 years of improved living standards, better health and longer life spans while the innocent children suffering in Iraq are not doing so as the result of capitalism and as NO ONE is known to be dying from radiation poisoning in Japan (albeit the 50 volunteers fighting to fix it may) due to an ACCIDENT (not capitalism), all you've demonstrated is the bankruptcy of your position..."

Me:  "@FletchforFreedom
Not to mention all the wars he uses to diatribe capitalism are fought by government, which makes them socialist by definition.
So basically his reasoning is. War is evil, therefore we need to give more power to the institution that makes war possible in the first place.
Statist Logic: It's the equivalent of dividing by zero."

xexixk:  "@vspqbd Is it a "socialist" war if it is a war as the result of government collusion with big business in order to gain access to or control of some natural recource which those businesses will then profit from? Read War is a Racket by Gen. Smedley Butler"
(When did I say war WASN'T a racket?  And if he thinks socialism is mutually exclusive from rackets, he's beyond help.)

Me:  "Yes."

xexixk:  "@vspqbd LOL So a war on behalf of a corporation to help them get access to or control of resources is a socialist war? That makes no sense. Socialism doesn't = collusiton of business and government. Corporatism yes. Socialism no."
(So how are corporatism and socialism mutually exclusive?  He never explains that bit.  Does he not know the definition of socialism?  Government ownership of capital.  Government owned the capital where they go to war, ergo war is a subset of socialism.  I mean, duh.  His whole post just reeks of what we now call the piety fallacy:  INTENTIONS ARE IRRELEVANT.  They really need to understand that.
Last I checked, the corporatism is just socialism for the big players.  Or, more specifically, corporatism is a subtle form of fascism.  And fascism is indistinguishable economically from socialism.  Simple as that.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 01, 2011, 08:51:26 PM
Quote from: Kradiancy
@DJYC21215 Fucking idiot socialism supports the idea of freedom of information. Stupid brainwashed yanks.

>socialism
>supporting freedom and not government bullshit


BWAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 02, 2011, 09:00:06 AM
Quote
Argument for the Existence of a Necessary Being (God)

1) Anything that exists is either
a) contingent = it is possible for it to not exist (might not have existence)
or b) not contingent = it is not possible for it not to exist (must exist)

2) If something is contingent there must be some explanation for why it does in fact exist

3) The explanation for the existence of a contingent thing must involve something other than itself and its parts (cause and effect)

4) The totality of all contingent things "T" is contingent.

5) There must be an explanation for "T"

6)The explanation for the existence of "T" must be outside of "T" and its parts.

7)The explanation for the existence of "T" must be something that is not contingent and must exist.

8) There is a necessary being = God.

Religious nonsense is a funny thing sometimes. Most times though, it's just a headache.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 02, 2011, 04:07:30 PM
More comments in regard to a video spreading around about that streaming bill:

Quote
this has fuck all to do with communists, this is entirely the doing of capitalism

Quote
corporatjsm has only come about and only has power due to capitalism

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because the goverment is capitalist it is in their interests to support corporations

It gets worse with each reply.....

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there are lots of different types of capitalsim besides free market capitalism, state capitalism, mercantalism etc. It its obviously in the interest of the goverment to support corporations in certain areas because they help to improve the economy

Now that's just full of shit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 03, 2011, 09:14:06 AM
"People seem to not realize that the founding fathers actually wanted central government." - ABC's This Week.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 03, 2011, 09:31:01 AM
"People seem to not realize that the founding fathers actually wanted central government." - ABC's This Week.

Man...got a video source for that one?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 03, 2011, 09:33:47 AM
Man...got a video source for that one?

It was just on television 20 minutes ago.

You'd have to wait until the segment appears on youtube.

Oh, and of course they had the token black guy on the panel who basically tried to bury the Constitution because the founders had slaves.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 03, 2011, 09:40:33 AM
Ah yes, the old, "You want to go back to the Constitution--that means you want slavery!" Uh, 13th Amendment, guys? The Constitution BANS slavery.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 03, 2011, 09:43:40 AM
Ah yes, the old, "You want to go back to the Constitution--that means you want slavery!" Uh, 13th Amendment, guys? The Constitution BANS slavery.

Not to mention, when they bury guys like Washington and Jefferson, they fail to realize that the only reason they kept their slaves in the first place was because of Virginia law stating that slaves that are set free are open to being rounded up again later on, and so they kept their slaves to protect them from people who would treat them far worse.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 03, 2011, 09:58:52 AM
Not to mention, when they bury guys like Washington and Jefferson, they fail to realize that the only reason they kept their slaves in the first place was because of Virginia law stating that slaves that are set free are open to being rounded up again later on, and so they kept their slaves to protect them from people who would treat them far worse.

Correct, and moving into another state wouldn't have helped them, because even so-called "free states" had a policy of removing freed slaves back to the states where they came from. Don't want THEM taking OUR jobs, you know...

Washington freed his slaves the only way he legally could: in his will. By the time Jefferson had died, they had closed that loophole.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 03, 2011, 10:38:21 AM
Not to mention, when they bury guys like Washington and Jefferson, they fail to realize that the only reason they kept their slaves in the first place was because of Virginia law stating that slaves that are set free are open to being rounded up again later on, and so they kept their slaves to protect them from people who would treat them far worse.
For pointing this out, you get an anti-bogon.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 04, 2011, 08:17:52 AM
Okay, so unfortunately they didn't put the piece before the roundtable discussion on youtube, but the discussion itself is up.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 04, 2011, 12:08:35 PM
Stefan has said that Jefferson raped his slaves.  Anyone wanna buzz in on that?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 04, 2011, 01:03:41 PM
There's no evidence of that. The only evidence there is for a sexual relationship is with Sally Hemmings (and even that's sketchy; there's evidence it may have been an uncle instead), and there's no evidence that was anything other than consensual.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 04, 2011, 03:55:31 PM
Quote from: Random Jackass on a chanboard
I hate this idea that the only reason why anyone may ever oppose gay marriage is LOL GOD SAID NOT TO. I'm personally an atheist and don't support it either because I don't support gay adoption. I'm adopted and had several foster siblings growing up and know for a fact that there are more hetero couples looking to adopt, that could give a kid the mother and father they deserve, than there are kids actually needing adopted. I'd rather see kids and poor barren mothers get a family than see some gays get a human for a pet.

Talk about despicable.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 04, 2011, 10:24:29 PM
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 04, 2011, 10:31:01 PM

That was painful to watch....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 04, 2011, 10:36:23 PM
That was painful to watch....
Indeed.  One of the many reasons it's in fail quotes:  The cult of democracy strikes yet again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on July 05, 2011, 04:11:21 AM

Communism is...

SHARING!

TEAM WORK!

EQUALITY!

FREEDOM!

WHAT WE NEED!

I can do this too, dickhead.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 05, 2011, 07:19:45 AM
Hilarious that they misspelled "expression"...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 05, 2011, 09:31:12 AM
Reading the comments on that video was pretty painful too. One guy just kept quoting actors and saying "you're dead to me" when people disagreed with him.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 05, 2011, 02:00:06 PM
"“[W]e will actually vote in favor of raising the debt ceiling next week if we can, but it will be contingent on passing a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution … I will only do it if we have significant budgetary reform, and to me that means you have to balance your budget every year.” - Senator Rand Paul via The Daily Caller

Raising the debt ceiling will just allow government to continue massive spending you dunce!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 05, 2011, 04:06:29 PM
Yeah, so we have to have MORE debt to have a balanced budget? How does THAT work?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 05, 2011, 04:36:32 PM
Yeah, so we have to have MORE debt to have a balanced budget? How does THAT work?

The fucked up part is that the Campaign of Liberty posted this on facebook and didn't really object to it. I think they only read the second half of the statement.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 05, 2011, 04:45:25 PM
The fucked up part is that the Campaign of Liberty posted this on facebook and didn't really object to it. I think they only read the second half of the statement.

Yeah, they're good at ignoring the inconvenient parts.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 05, 2011, 04:50:06 PM
Quote from: Tim Wise
For all y’all rich folks, enjoy that champagne, or whatever fancy ass Scotch you drink.

And for y’all a bit lower on the economic scale, enjoy your Pabst Blue Ribbon, or whatever shitty ass beer you favor.

Whatever the case, and whatever your economic station, know this . . .

You need to drink up.

And quickly.

And heavily.

Because your time is limited.

Real damned limited.

So party while you can, but mind the increasingly loud clock ticking away in the corners of your consciousness.

The clock that reminds you how little time you and yours have left.

Not much more now.

Tick, tock.

Tick, tock.

Tick.

Tock.

I know, you think you’ve taken “your country back” with this election—and of course you have always thought it was yours for the taking, cuz that’s what we white folks are bred to believe, that it’s ours, and how dare anyone else say otherwise—but you are wrong.

You have won a small battle in a larger war the meaning of which you do not remotely understand.

’Cuz there is nothing even slightly original about you.

There have always been those who wanted to take the country back.

There were those who, in past years, wanted to take the country back to a time of enslavement and indentured servitude.

But they lost.

There were those who wanted to take us back to a time when children could be made to work in mines and factories, when workers had no legal rights to speak of, when the skies in every major city were heavy with industrial soot that would gather on sidewalks and windowsills like volcanic ash.

But they lost.

There were those who wanted to take us back to a time when women could not vote, or attend any but a few colleges, or get loans in their own names, or start their own businesses.

But they lost.

There were those who wanted to take us back to a time when blacks “had no rights that the white man was bound to respect,”—this being the official opinion of the Supreme Court before those awful days of judicial activism, now decried by the likes of you—and when people of color could legally be kept from voting solely because of race, or holding certain jobs, or living in certain neighborhoods, or run out of other towns altogether when the sun would go down, or be strung up from trees.

But they lost.

And you will lose.

So make a note of it.

Tweet it to yourself.

Put it on your Facebook wall and leave it there so you’ll remember that I told you so.

It is coming, and soon.

This isn’t hubris. It isn’t ideology. It is not wishful thinking.

It is math.

Not even advanced math. Just simple, basic, like 3rd grade math.

The kind of math that proves how your kind—mostly older white folks beholden to an absurd, inaccurate, nostalgic fantasy of what America used to be like—are dying.

You’re like the bad guy in every horror movie ever made, who gets shot five times, or stabbed ten, or blown up twice, and who will eventually pass—even if it takes four sequels to make it happen—but who in the meantime keeps coming back around, grabbing at our ankles as we walk by, we having been mistakenly convinced that you were finally dead this time.

Fair enough, and have at it. But remember how this movie ends.

Our ankles survive.

You do not.

Michael Meyers, Freddie Kreuger, Jason, and that asshole husband in that movie with Julia Roberts who tracks her down after she runs away and changes her identity—they are all done. Even that crazy fucker in Saw is about to be finished off for good. Granted, he’s gonna be popping out in some 3-D shit to scare the kiddies, so he isn’t going quietly. But he’s going, as all bad guys eventually do.

And in the pantheon of American history, old white people have pretty much always been the bad guys, the keepers of the hegemonic and reactionary flame, the folks unwilling to share the category of American with others on equal terms.

Fine, keep it up. It doesn’t matter.

Because you’re on the endangered list.

And unlike, say, the bald eagle or some exotic species of muskrat, you are not worth saving.

In forty years or so, maybe fewer, there won’t be any more white people around who actually remember that Leave it to Beaver, Father Knows Best, Opie-Taylor-Down-at-the-Fishing Hole cornpone bullshit that you hold so near and dear to your heart.

There won’t be any more white folks around who think the 1950s were the good old days, because there won’t be any more white folks around who actually remember them, and so therefore, we’ll be able to teach about them accurately and honestly, without hurting your precious feelings, or those of the so-called “greatest generation”—a bunch whose white members were by and large a gaggle of miscreants who helped save the world from fascism only to return home and oppose the ending of it here, by doing nothing to lift a finger on behalf of the civil rights struggle.

So to hell with you and all who revere you.

By then, half the country will be black or brown. And there is nothing you can do about it.

Nothing, Senõr Tancredo.

Nothing, Senõra Angle, or Senõra Brewer, or Senõr Beck.

Loy tiene muy mal, hijo de Puta.

And by then you will have gone all in as a white nationalist movement—hell you’ve all but done that now—thus guaranteeing that the folks of color, and even a decent size minority of us white folks will be able to crush you, election after election, from the Presidency on down to the 8th grade student council.

Like I said, this shit is math, baby. And numbers don’t lie.

Bottom line, this too shall pass.

So enjoy your tax cuts a while longer.

Go buy whatever you people buy when your taxes get cut: a new car or two, a bigger house, an island. Whatever.

Go back to trading your derivatives, engaging in rampant financial speculation that produces nothing of value, that turns the whole world into your personal casino. Whatever.

Play your hand, and for the love of God play it big. Real big. As in, shoot for the moon big. As in, try to privatize Social Security, and health care, and everything else. Whatever.

At least that way everyone will be able to see what you’re really about.

We’ve been trying to tell them, but nothing beats seeing it with your own eyes, so “Go big or go home,” Bubba.

“Git ’er Done.”

“Cowboy up,” or whatever other stupid-ass catch phrase strikes your fancy.

Just promise you’ll do more than talk this time.

Please, or as one of your celluloid heroes might put it, “make my day.”

Do whatever you gotta do, but remember that those who are the victims of your greed and indifference take the long view.

They know, but you do not, that justice is not for the sprinters, but rather for the long distance runners who will be hitting their second wind, right about the time that you collapse from exhaustion.

They are like the tortoise to your hare.

They are like the San Francisco Giants, to your New York Yankees: a bunch that loses year after year after year, until they finally win.

You have had this confidence before, remember?

You thought you had secured your position permanently after the overthrow of reconstruction in the wake of the civil war, after the elimination of the New Deal, after the Reagan revolution, after the Republican electoral victory of 1994. And yet, they who refuse to die are still here.

Because those who have lived on the margins, who have been abused, maligned, targeted by austerity measures and budget cuts, subjected to racism, classism, sexism, straight supremacy and every other form of oppression always know more about their abusers than the abusers know about their victims.

They have to study you, to pay careful attention, to adjust their body armor accordingly, and to memorize your sleep patterns.

You, on the other hand, need know nothing whatsoever about them. And this, will surely prove fatal to you in the end. For it means you will not know their resolve. Will not fear it, as you should.

It means you will take their greatest strength—perseverance—and make of it a weakness, called losing.

But what you forget, or more to the point never knew, is that those who lose know how to lose, which is to say they know how to lose with dignity.

And those who suffer know how to suffer, which is to say they know how to survive: a skill that is in short supply amid the likes of you.

You, who could not survive the thought of minimal health care reform, or financial regulation, or a marginal tax rate equal to that which you paid just 10 years earlier, perhaps are under the illusion that everyone is as weak as you, as soft as you, as akin to petulant children as you are, as unable to cope with the smallest setback, the slightest challenge to the way you think your country should look and feel, and operate.

But, surprise . . . they are not.

And they know how to regroup, and plot, and plan, and they are planning even now—we are—your destruction.

And I do not mean by that your physical destruction. We don’t play those games. We’re not into the whole “Second Amendment remedies, militia, armed resistance” bullshit that your side fetishizes, cuz, see, we don’t have to be. We don’t need guns.

We just have to be patient.

And wait for your hearts to stop beating.

And stop they will.

And for some of you, real damned soon, truth be told.

Do you hear it?

The sound of your empire dying? Your nation, as you knew it, ending, permanently?

Because I do, and the sound of its demise is beautiful.

So know this.

If you thought this election was payback for 2008, remember . . .

Payback, thy name is . . .

Temporary.

Fringeelements covered this on youtube, but I figure I may as well just copy/paste the thing itself. Yeah, it is full of stupid "I regret being white" bullshit.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 05, 2011, 04:59:06 PM
I only read the first few lines of that.  It sounded like more anti-rich nonsense too.
Really, what is it with people hating on greed?  I know it's not the best of things, but even at its worst there *are* worse things out there.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 05, 2011, 05:40:43 PM
And at its best it's responsible for everything from feeding the poor to heart transplants.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 06, 2011, 12:05:59 AM
I wasn't sure where else to put this:  http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=79046

Most if not all of Shane's posts (his were the only ones I bothered to read, and I only got to about page 3 or 4.  It just got tired listening to you have to repeat yourself to the economic equivalent of creationists and moon hoaxers.) are favs.

The statists he keeps having to debunk (especially the one(s) who keep reasserting the same point--like Standard Oil being a monopoly) are the major fail quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 06, 2011, 12:46:35 AM
Figured this deserved a posting at this point.

Anything by user ninjacatmagic (http://www.youtube.com/user/ninjacatmagic) on the following youtube videos.


Though, particularly this one.


His most recent one was something of a side-splitter. I'll post my comment, his comment responding to it, and my reply. (My comments in blue, his in red.)

 "The conversation is evolution"

Wrong. The conversation between you and me, through this entire thread, has been your reasoning and logic when approaching the subject of evolution. The only way you can claim that I have committed a fallacy would be if you were to claim that criticizing someone's logic, their reasoning from point A to point B to conclusion C, is somehow fallacious. Is this what you're claiming?

It's "you and I".....Wtf?....Mr. Eye Trysohard to sound smart is still making a fool out of himself.....You're silly..lol...I normally don't proofread people's work, but such a .rudimentary error for YOU to make is just way too much fun to pass up.....ha/ha....  watch?v=GjFOV-b0GtI

 goo dot gl slash 7fzPo

No, I was using correct grammar. Type the preceding URL into your browser if you want a source.

Here's a tip: Open mouth, insert foot.

Link to the site I referenced. : Linky (http://goo.gl/7fzPo)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 06, 2011, 07:53:07 AM
The statists he keeps having to debunk (especially the one(s) who keep reasserting the same point--like Standard Oil being a monopoly) are the major fail quotes.

Ah yes, I remember that one.

Me: (lots of reasons Standard Oil couldn't gain monopoly power)

Them: Stop cherry-picking Standard Oil!

Me: Okay, give me a counter-example.

Them: Standard Oil!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 06, 2011, 07:56:54 AM
It's "you and I".....Wtf?....Mr. Eye Trysohard to sound smart is still making a fool out of himself.....You're silly..lol...I normally don't proofread people's work, but such a .rudimentary error for YOU to make is just way too much fun to pass up.....ha/ha....  watch?v=GjFOV-b0GtI

Yeah, that's a peeve of mine...people say "[blank] and I" when they're in the objective instead of the nominative.

"Janet and I are going to the movies."

"Bob is going to the movies with Janet and me."

It's not like it's hard...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 06, 2011, 08:25:28 AM
Yeah, that's a peeve of mine...people say "[blank] and I" when they're in the objective instead of the nominative.

"Janet and I are going to the movies."

"Bob is going to the movies with Janet and me."

It's not like it's hard...

Agreed. In addition, just how desperate do you have to be to hammer on imaginary grammar mistakes?

Though, I think the funniest one is how he insists that, because the topic is evolution, I'm not allowed to criticize his logic or reasoning. He even claimed it was a logical fallacy at one point, of all things.

I really want to know where he got his college education, if there's any truth to his claims. I'm just dumbfounded that anyone could have survived even a community college while being that dense.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 06, 2011, 10:18:50 AM
Ah yes, I remember that one.

Me: (lots of reasons Standard Oil couldn't gain monopoly power)

Them: Stop cherry-picking Standard Oil!

Me: Okay, give me a counter-example.

Them: Standard Oil!

I couldn't even be bothered to read all of that thread. It made my head hurt with all of the lunacy.

>WE NEED GOVERNMENT!
>Government fucked us over several times, here are examples
>WE NEED GOVERNMENT!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 07, 2011, 01:14:29 PM
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 07, 2011, 02:08:56 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-pro-marijuana-arguments-that-arent-helping/
I haven't yet read them yet, but after looking at each item in the list, I'd say this is probably leaning towards fail quotes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 07, 2011, 02:31:18 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-pro-marijuana-arguments-that-arent-helping/
I haven't yet read them yet, but after looking at each item in the list, I'd say this is probably leaning towards fail quotes.

Not as fail as it could have been, but still pretty fail. Some good points, though.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 07, 2011, 04:08:41 PM
Not as fail as it could have been, but still pretty fail. Some good points, though.

And to think, John Cheese was on such a roll too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 07, 2011, 04:10:54 PM
Everything said by MsZeitgeist85, FangoFan68 & his brother whedonfreak976 in the comment section of this video:

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 09, 2011, 05:54:10 PM
Kind of on the obvious side, but yeah, may as well put it here:

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 11, 2011, 10:27:57 AM
"a constitution written by slave owners for slave owners. We need many more amendments." - politicalarticles

This is the guy who uploaded the Rachel Maddow (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=yepI1Jz3OAE) video in which she makes an even bigger ass out of herself in regards to nullification.

In fact, all of the posts by that guy are full of shit.

"Bush committed war crimes -- killing upto a million Iraqis and thousands of American soldiers, and I didn't see a single black person revolting in the streets and trying to overthrow his government. Now, we see white people running around menacingly with civil war pistols tucked next to their balls -- while Obama is trying to clean up Bush's mess. It's all about that 'darkie' in OUR whitehouse -- isn't it?"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 11, 2011, 10:41:35 AM
"a constitution written by slave owners for slave owners. We need many more amendments." - politicalarticles

Um, why wasn't the 13th Amendment enough to take care of that?

And why would ANYTHING need "many more amendments"? Couldn't you just compile everything you need into a single amendment?

If Maddow had posted that to this forum she would have been instantly banned.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 11, 2011, 11:01:45 AM
Um, why wasn't the 13th Amendment enough to take care of that?

And why would ANYTHING need "many more amendments"? Couldn't you just compile everything you need into a single amendment?

If Maddow had posted that to this forum she would have been instantly banned.

Because it is easy for weak minded people to cling to something that happened and blatantly ignore the events that occurred after it which dealt with the problem.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 12, 2011, 01:23:45 PM
I normally like Jack Hunter, but sometimes he posts videos that are a tad on the questionable side.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on July 12, 2011, 02:28:28 PM
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 15, 2011, 08:24:59 AM
"Pornography is the instruction. Rape is the practice, battered women are the practice, and battered children are the practice." --Gloria Steinem
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 15, 2011, 11:52:46 AM
Anything and everything by Michael Moore should be here in Fail Quotes, but this particular skit from Bowling for Columbine is pretty egregious.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2011, 02:21:02 PM
Anything and everything by Michael Moore should be here in Fail Quotes, but this particular skit from Bowling for Columbine is pretty egregious.

Ugh.  I remember that pile of crap of a video. >_<  I was going to post it myself, but I think I was afraid of getting banned and/or a warning or something.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 15, 2011, 02:24:00 PM
Ugh.  I remember that pile of crap of a video. >_<  I was going to post it myself, but I think I was afraid of getting banned and/or a warning or something.

I think in this instance we're criticizing the clip for being outrageous and downright wrong so it gets the okay. We're not really using it as an argument for or against anything.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 15, 2011, 02:56:25 PM
Anything and everything by Michael Moore should be here in Fail Quotes, but this particular skit from Bowling for Columbine is pretty egregious.

Wow...just wow. I would go through and point out all of the historical innacuracies, except I don't see one single thing he got RIGHT!

And yes, if Moore himself came to this forum and posted that bigoted crap of lies, he would have been instantly banned.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 15, 2011, 03:20:25 PM
Wow...just wow. I would go through and point out all of the historical innacuracies, except I don't see one single thing he got RIGHT!

And yes, if Moore himself came to this forum and posted that bigoted crap of lies, he would have been instantly banned.

Yeah, I first saw this garbage my junior year of high school in my Issues in Government class. We had to watch Bowling for Columbine while we were talking about gun control and what not. The entire movie is complete garbage. Moore goes on a tangent about 9/11 and the Iraq War while trying to talk about gun control. It was just a mess.

Oh, and I challenge you to go through the comments and not find something worthy of being in fail quotes.

Quote from: BaBYPuNCheR133
"THIS is what should be in history books."

Also, I think you should do the error and lie correcting subtitles for Michael Moore documentaries like you did for Expelled. I think that would be glorious.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 15, 2011, 05:57:38 PM
Yeah, but that means I'd have to sit through that crap...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 15, 2011, 05:59:12 PM
Yeah, but that means I'd have to sit through that crap...

I hate to pull an RPG trope here.....but thou must.

Seriously though, I don't blame you.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 15, 2011, 06:21:09 PM
Yeah, but that means I'd have to sit through that crap...

Hey, you lasted through Expelled.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 15, 2011, 06:39:45 PM

Another one of those "if we don't raise the debt ceiling, it will be armageddon" types.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 15, 2011, 07:06:50 PM
Quote
Also, I think you should do the error and lie correcting subtitles for Michael Moore documentaries like you did for Expelled. I think that would be glorious.

There was a good vid done by a student film maker called "Six Degrees from Truth" that did a pretty good job of debunking both Bowling For Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11

It was my first taste of skepticism and started me down the road to enlightenment.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 15, 2011, 07:26:02 PM
There was a good vid done by a student film maker called "Six Degrees from Truth" that did a pretty good job of debunking both Bowling For Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11

It was my first taste of skepticism and started me down the road to enlightenment.

Don't forget "Michael Moore Hates America", with interviews with Penn Jillette.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 15, 2011, 07:46:48 PM
Don't forget "Michael Moore Hates America", with interviews with Penn Jillette.

Great movie!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 16, 2011, 06:25:11 AM
I hate to wrest the theme away from Mike Moore... well actually I love to do that but

I think the whole speech by Shelley Lubben does count as fail quote
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 16, 2011, 08:07:44 AM
"You can have your own opinion but you can't make up your own facts. If we don't raise the debt ceiling, we will go into a major fiscal hole almost overnight." - Idiot in a suit on Good Morning America
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 16, 2011, 08:51:38 AM
I hate to wrest the theme away from Mike Moore... well actually I love to do that but

I think the whole speech by Shelley Lubben does count as fail quote

Wow...that was like a complete train wreck of fail! "We kill more people than the music industry"? What kind of argument is that?

And what, 21-year-old ADULT WOMEN are too stupid to read contracts???
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2011, 09:33:50 AM
"You can have your own opinion but you can't make up your own facts. If we don't raise the debt ceiling, we will go into a major fiscal hole almost overnight." - Idiot in a suit on Good Morning America

Translation: "AH! THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!" Right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 16, 2011, 09:34:31 AM
Translation: "AH! THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!" Right?

Pretty much. That and, "IF YOU DISAGREE WITH GOVERNMENT PAID 'ECONOMISTS' YOU ARE WROOOOOOOONG!!!!!!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2011, 10:11:15 AM
Pretty much. That and, "IF YOU DISAGREE WITH GOVERNMENT PAID 'ECONOMISTS' YOU ARE WROOOOOOOONG!!!!!!"

Government paid economist.  Sounds like "Church paid 'scientist'".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 16, 2011, 10:19:19 AM
Government paid economist.  Sounds like "Church paid 'scientist'".

Exactly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 16, 2011, 01:23:45 PM
This article by USA today. (http://www.usatoday.com/money/smallbusiness/columnist/abrams/2011-07-08-debt-ceiling_n.htm)

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There's an important day coming for small businesses: August 2. That's the day the national debt ceiling must be raised, or the U.S. will officially default on its debt.

Okay...where's your data for this? Oh wait...you don't have any.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2011, 02:00:42 PM
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There's an important day coming for small businesses: August 2. That's the day the national debt ceiling must be raised, or the U.S. will officially default on its debt.
Citation DEFINITELY needed for that claim of theirs.
Also, that's implying default (and/or repudiation of the government's debt) would be a bad thing to begin with.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 16, 2011, 02:16:41 PM
I just ran some numbers. If the current debt were like a mortgage loan to be paid off in 30 years, then the annual payments on it (principal plus interest) would be about $710 billion. Estimated 2011 revenues are $2,173 billion. That's a debt-to-income ratio of 32.7%. Anything less than 36% is considered healthy.

No default.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2011, 02:25:35 PM
I just ran some numbers. If the current debt were like a mortgage loan to be paid off in 30 years, then the annual payments on it (principal plus interest) would be about $710 billion. Estimated 2011 revenues are $2,173 billion. That's a debt-to-income ratio of 32.7%. Anything less than 36% is considered healthy.

No default.

*applause* Well played, good sir. :)

Though we can both probably agree that the "income" listed should be lower, if you know what I mean *coughlowertaxescough*.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 16, 2011, 02:31:22 PM
But do they actually have the intention of paying anything back=?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 16, 2011, 02:54:40 PM
The Treasury has no alternative but to make the payments. It's just that right now, the payments are only about $300 billion, which won't pay it back for a LONG time, if ever.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 16, 2011, 03:09:31 PM
The Treasury has no alternative but to make the payments. It's just that right now, the payments are only about $300 billion, which won't pay it back for a LONG time, if ever.

Debt ceiling aside, is there a theoretical economic limit to which the debt can go?  I know those numbers can't go up forever (obviously).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 16, 2011, 04:13:01 PM
There's not like a fixed dollar amount, but at some point it's going to get to the point where people and banks stop keeping dollars in reserve as the currency devalues and the debt mounts. Dollars are still the #1 form of money in the world, with gold in second place. The more this goes on, the more people and foreign banks will stop keeping dollars and start turning them in for gold. Once the foreign banks start doing this en masse, the dollar collapses.

Keep in mind, though, that no one can predict timing, and there are other factors involved as well. But if we keep going the way we're going, the collapse is not a matter of IF it will happen, but WHEN.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 16, 2011, 06:48:58 PM
"Why cant both thoise claims be right? Lets put it this way......(and I can get to chemtrails later as I witness them and their effects DAILY here in the midwest...In fact, I can open my window and take a picture right now if you will)

Our international affairs have made more hardened enemies worldwide than friends. Our CONTINUAL affairs will make more. And it is my belief it is by design to be that way.

I can believe that through some very simple coercion that CIA could essentially take those hardened and willing men, finance their mission, and allow them to carry out there plan in the name of starting a war that makes some very powerful men even more powerful and wealthy. False flags are tradition in all warfare to incite anger.

There are more questions than answers on the 9/11 topic.

If you do not care to know more. Or if you do not entertain even the notion that it is a possibility then we can be done with this now and my feelings will not be hurt. I have learned not to waste my time with ears that do not bend.

I can tell you that 9/11 truthers are not some fringe group of conspiratists. They are very well informed, educated." - A conspiracy theorist I know on Facebook.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 17, 2011, 06:51:06 AM
"Time is running out to raise the debt ceiling. Come August 2nd the country will have no money." - Sara Welch, an anchor for the weekend show of my local news affiliate WTNH.

Either this woman is stupid, or they're getting really desperate to get people to want to raise the debt ceiling.

I sent a comment to WTNH on their facebook thread on this with the numbers you posted as well as a statement from the Mises article about raising the debt ceiling stating that the treasury would have to pull a pay as you go system on the debt. They only read part of my comment on the air about military spending, but blatantly ignored everything else.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 17, 2011, 08:09:47 AM
"If you look at the case, there was overwhelming evidence to support Casey Anthony was guilty." - Nancy Grace
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 17, 2011, 09:23:03 AM
"Time is running out to raise the debt ceiling. Come August 2nd the country will have no money." - Sara Welch, an anchor for the weekend show of my local news affiliate WTNH.
Time is running out on Sara Welch's brain.  Come August 2nd, it will have no cluons.  See what I did there?

"If you look at the case, there was overwhelming evidence to support Casey Anthony was guilty." - Nancy Grace
One of the many reasons I don't watch the news.  They have a bogon hazard worse than a creationist video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 17, 2011, 09:23:55 AM
Time is running out on Sara Welch's brain.  Come August 2nd, it will have no cluons.  See what I did there?
One of the many reasons I don't watch the news.  They have a bogon hazard worse than a creationist video.

I know. Trust me. I'm getting so sick and tired of the news, but unfortunately when I'm with my dad, I can't really escape it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 17, 2011, 11:48:28 AM
"But we legislate through morality all the time. If we didn't use morals, rape and murder should be legal."

-Dipshit preacher who I'm designing a website when we got into a conversation of what a Libertarian is
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 17, 2011, 12:28:00 PM
"But we legislate through morality all the time. If we didn't use morals, rape and murder should be legal."

-Dipshit preacher who I'm designing a website when we got into a conversation of what a Libertarian is

Wow. That claim is so asinine. It gives credence to the idea legality is morality, when more times than not that couldn't be any further from the truth.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 17, 2011, 07:03:08 PM
"But we legislate through morality all the time. If we didn't use morals, rape and murder should be legal."

-Dipshit preacher who I'm designing a website when we got into a conversation of what a Libertarian is
It's also a fallacy.  So unless we have laws against victimless crimes we can't have laws against rape, murder and theft?  Makes me crave À la carte laws.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on July 18, 2011, 04:16:19 AM
I wanted to make a seperate thread about this, but this is probalby some fail quotes from yours trully, so i might as well put it here.

The people I was arguing with are in blue, I am in green.

if they'd just released a demo at this point, they could have avoided the leak entirely. The leaked beta provided a great demo for the game, many new customers were attracted to the game as a result of it. Yes it was a violation of trust, yes it was an asshole thing to do, but in the end they really provoked it by keep it behind closed doors for so long, if you hype things up without actually showing it.. it does lead people to do stupid shit like this. In the end developers should be releasing demos like it used to be, that way we won't have need to leak anything until the retail version is ready.. then the pirates will do as they do anyway, nothing can be done about that because it'll always be a problem. (unless you take away peoples rights..)

He is talking about the leaked preview built of a game called Deus Ex: Human Revolution, a build that I also have on my computer. Now, the problem with this post to me was, that he is engaging in victim blaming, which is something I am really not very fond of. And he continued to do so in his next couple of posts.

Also, my problem with this has nothing to do with copyrights, or the law, or anything, just the mentality of blaming the victim, for something you think is wrong.

And in responce to that, rather emotionally, i said this:

By Mr_Cyberpunk's brilliant logic, women who dress "slutty" are all asking for rape.

Now, i was immediately attacked for giving such an extreme example and i do have to agree,
that i could have went for something else, rather than play this cheap card. But this is one of the
first examples i think off, where this type of thinking just shines as purely stupid and outright evil..

Yes, it is true that any time someone makes the argument that someone brings violation on themselves by doing something they consider provocative and then not putting out, which was Mr. Cyberpunk's argument, it brings unpleasant associations of evil arguments past to mind. But I don't see the benefit in dragging them into the light. It risks trivializing the more serious violation and is more likely to provoke the kind of defensiveness that will make someone reinforce their position than it is to make them seriously reconsider what they are saying. In my opinion at least.

While it is certainly true the much the same argument has been used to claim that rape victims were responsible for being raped, it is also true that comparing not-at-all-rape things to rape has a net effect of making rape seem ... well, less evil. You can't compare software piracy to rape without comparing rape to software piracy, and treating the two as comparable is a very, very bad idea. Ideally you could make the connection without in any way normalizing rape or in anyway implying they were remotely on the same level, but in the real world human minds don't tend to work that way.

This, i had a problem with, since he is basically claiming, that using the word "rape" in a context that doesn't actually have anything to do
with rape, normalizes this evil act and thus, potentially making rape less of a crime and making it a more common occurrence. At least this is
what i get from his posts. Why would he be so up and arms about it, otherwise?

So i asked this:

Can we use murder in conversations not about murder? Can i say "Invisible War KILLED the franchise"? Are you going to tell me how we are normalizing murder

His reply:
 
Do you really want to get into this? Because I have to say, I don't.

A long discussion of rape culture is not something that I really want to have. I'd also rather not parse the differences between being killed and being raped in any kind of detail. I'd prefer to avoid getting into the difference in how rape and attempted rape victims are treated as opposed to murder and attempted murder victims (or why it is that when someone is a victim of both people seem to default to the worse treatment.)

This is a fucking game thread as far as I know, we shouldn't have to be having this conversation. Why exactly do you feel the need to argue this point? Rape is a pretty narrowly defined term which means that it doesn't apply in the absence of sexual violence anyway. What's the worst that could happen if people stopped using it where it didn't apply? Their language ends up more precise? Oh the motherfracking horror.

This isn't the answer to your question that I should give because it doesn't address the myriad reasons why one shouldn't, for example, use the term rape where you've used the term "killed". It doesn't address the moral concerns, but since those moral concerns are built on a foundation of unnecessary undeserved suffering it makes my stomach turn to think of them, so I'd rather not go there. So today you get the cheap answer, the easy out as it were:

To say that a franchise was killed is a fairly straightforward almost literal statement. It was alive, then it was dead, something did that to it, the word for the verb for that is to kill.

To say that a franchise was raped is not the same. It doesn't apply. It can't apply. The meaning of the word rape doesn't allow it to apply.

Even if all else were equal, and it isn't, the use of rape would still be inappropriate where the use of the word kill is not.

-

If you really want to get into depth about why I'm saying that it is genuinely harmful to use the term rape in a situation like this I'll see if I can look up one of the many things other people have written on the topic. That should have two benefits. The first is that it would mean that the bulk of the writing would be off-site (all that would be needed here would be a link) which means this wouldn't be derailing the conversation here anymore. Second it would save me the trouble of writing more on a topic that I find quite literally sickening.

Now, as I've said, the colors represent them in blue and me in green, they don't point out the fail quotes. I would like you guys to tell me if i
am the guy on the wrong side here, because i just don't get it.

I believe, that the problem with rape is actual rapists and not people who use the word the wrong way. I just don't get this mentality, that merely using the word "rape" casually, can lead to any sort of harm. And when i say harm, i mean to actually contribute to an increase of rape crimes and the abuse of women and men, not just being insensitive to actual rape victims.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2011, 03:35:20 PM
Every single post made by FSAthe1st in the comment section of this video: 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 18, 2011, 03:52:23 PM
Every single post made by FSAthe1st in the comment section of this video:  

Agreed. I just don't understand his motivation here. I mean, he's arguing for the sake of proving himself correct rather than trying to learn something. It's the anti-socratic method.

EDIT: He seems like he might be reconsidering his attitude thus far, so I'm going to withhold judgement for now.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 18, 2011, 08:03:07 PM
Every single comment by bobmuffins posted on this video: 
  And his comments on Shane's videos on fixing healthcare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7z4iHCNHMI), and what is money. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtF_zbI5j7M)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 18, 2011, 08:28:34 PM
Nancy Grace really is a smug and arrogant prick.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 18, 2011, 08:43:09 PM
She really just made herself the self-appointed crusader for Caylee--as well as prosecutor, judge, and jury.

I don't think it's any coincidence she used to be a prosecutor. She took to this case just like a prosecutor: automatically assume guilt, cling to it like a religion, and come up with every excuse to support it even though the evidence for it is severely lacking.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 18, 2011, 08:45:08 PM
She really just made herself the self-appointed crusader for Caylee--as well as prosecutor, judge, and jury.

I don't think it's any coincidence she used to be a prosecutor. She took to this case just like a prosecutor: automatically assume guilt, cling to it like a religion, and come up with every excuse to support it even though the evidence for it is severely lacking.

She also brought up her fiance being killed. I think she tries to cling that emotion to every single case and automatically assumes the worst.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 19, 2011, 07:53:35 AM
On my local news affiliate's Facebook page, there is a topic on the debt ceiling, and this little gem of fail happened to show up.

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taxes arent even enup 2 pay for state and gov workers how wud it help the national debt? how about EVERY! makes the same amount!! every1s job is hard. even the cashier at stop and shop. so we shud all including gov and state wrkers make the same. and if we want to pay debt then they shud raise taxes alittle. cant always get what u want. my household makes less than 35,000. ive learned 2 live with out ipads and magizine subscriptions. get rid of crap u dont need and u will have sum money. and the country shud have a maximum wage!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: VectorM on July 19, 2011, 02:44:25 PM
Thanks for the lobotomy, D.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 19, 2011, 02:49:24 PM
Thanks for the lobotomy, D.

You are quite welcome. I would have translated it to English, but I feel like had I done that, it would have taken away from the stupid.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on July 19, 2011, 03:06:50 PM
On my local news affiliates Facebook page, there is a topic on the debt ceiling, and this little gem of fail happened to show up.


The only way I could respond was by sitting there with my jaw hanging open for a full minute and a half. WOW, that was horrid...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 20, 2011, 09:07:24 AM
"Get more streaming movies and shows! We want more streaming movies and shows!...Hey, why'd you raise your prices???" --Many Netflix customers
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 20, 2011, 11:36:22 PM
Ugh, the entire panel segment of the July 16th episode of Real Time with Bill Maher.

It's pretty much all bullshit. It starts with Maher complaining about Wall Street Journal printing a story about a guy with a mechanical hand getting a medal of honor, then it goes on into how economic booms are due to raising taxes...I'm not even kidding. They also talk more alarmist bullshit about how if the debt ceiling isn't raised then the world as we know it will end. The panel consisted of Dan Savage, Mark Cuban, and some woman whose name I forget. It was atrocious to say the least.


Here is at least part of the panel discussion. For whatever reason, I can't find the whole discussion that they had.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 22, 2011, 11:44:57 PM
"I don't think there is such a thing as independent voters." - Bill Maher
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 23, 2011, 12:05:51 AM
How I lasted this long before posting this pile of economic fail, I'll never know.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 23, 2011, 08:33:51 AM
How I lasted this long before posting this pile of economic fail, I'll never know.

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d168/IronFury51488/wooo/Kill_It_With_Fire_Undertaker02-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 23, 2011, 09:18:32 AM
The first half was actually entertaining but then it just plunges into bogosity a million miles a minute.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 23, 2011, 01:18:16 PM
Every comment left by blackacidlizzard on this video
and on this video: 


From the first video,

blackacidlizzard: "Socialists also claim that man needs to eat.

Digestion is socialist!"

Me: "Not sure what the point of this comment of yours is, but if you don't believe me, read the communist manifesto."

blackacidlizzard: "Do you not believe my claim? Read socialist literature, it is very clear that they support digestion, therefore digesting is socialist!

The point is that the support of a particular action by a particular group does not make that action a specifically (insert group name here) action."

Me: "*facepalms* Rewatch the video for the definition of socialism dude."

Me: "And check the 10th plank of the communist manifesto while you're at it."

The worst part of this?  He's an anarchist too...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 23, 2011, 01:47:33 PM
Can you have an anarcho-socialist? Anarcho-communist I can see, but how would anarcho-socialism work?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 23, 2011, 02:34:00 PM
Can you have an anarcho-socialist? Anarcho-communist I can see, but how would anarcho-socialism work?
I've always thought that Anarcho-Communism and Anarcho-Socialism are used interchangeably. Though Wikipedia tends to say otherwise.  Why do you ask?
There are people calling themselves "Libertarian Socialists" but I doubt you'd consider them a kind of Libertarian. :P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 23, 2011, 02:36:23 PM
And another bit from this guy:

Blackacidlizzard:  "Goddamn you're dense.

Your claim made above, and reinforced by your insistence that people look at the Communist Manifesto (already read it, but thanks for the suggestion) in order to verify: knowing that socialists support public schooling is knowing that public education is socialist.

Oh, and every widely used political word means many distinct things, always including mutually exclusive things."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 23, 2011, 02:36:44 PM
Heh, I'm dense.  He's one to talk.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 23, 2011, 08:02:18 PM

Anyone not named Nick Gillespie.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on July 23, 2011, 08:16:23 PM
Can you have an anarcho-socialist? Anarcho-communist I can see, but how would anarcho-socialism work?

"Hey you there making the pies, you have to share them with everyone so it's fair!"

"Oh really?  Do you have any guns to force me to?"

"No..."

"Well fuck off then"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 23, 2011, 08:36:01 PM

By the way, here is a short clip from last week's Real Time where the idiot claims that higher taxes creates a better economy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 24, 2011, 09:33:09 PM

This is a fail video only from the perspective of a professional wrestling fan. Jack tries to compare Julian Assange to John Cena, going as far as to say that the negative fan reaction against Cena is for the same reason that Wikileaks and Julian got from the US government and news media.

He also gave John Cena a 10/10 for in ring work....

John Cena is a great person, a company man, a great asset for marketing, and decent on the mic, but John Cena is not a 10 when it comes to in ring ability.

Now that I think about it, his comparison of Wikileaks to Cena is a tad off. If anything, What Wikileaks does is closer to the current storyline involving CM Punk a lot more than John Cena.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 27, 2011, 06:46:07 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/libertarians/posts/153072441435627

There are a lot of posts in support of raising the debt ceiling.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 27, 2011, 06:51:29 PM
Because we all know the only surefire way to reduce your debt is to spend even more money.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 27, 2011, 06:56:14 PM
Because we all know the only surefire way to reduce your debt is to spend even more money.

Indeed. Hell, some of these people are as paranoid as the news media and politicians.

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This quote is disastrous by nature. What do you think will be cut? EVERY SOCIAL PROGRAM, INCLUDING MASSIVE EDUCATION CUTS. No thanks Libertarians; I am saddened to see that you have become as bad as the rest.

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Not raising the debt ceiling = not paying for things that have already been bought. The money has already been spent. Yes, spending needs to be cut, but not at the expense of the world economies. Skyrocketing interest rates will be like another tax on Americans that have any type of adjustable interest loan. A plummeting dollar will likely drive up the cost of oil by a lot, so there's another "tax" on Americans because fuel costs will go through the roof. It's just not smart to hold the American people hostage and drive them into bankruptcy.

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First off, default would be horrible for the economy. The dropping of the US credit rating would be so destructive to ours, and the worlds economy. I appreciate the reason behind the words, but this cannot be done without dire consequences.

Also, you all do realize that part of the debt the us owes is to the Social Security Trust Fund. Almost $3 trillion in fact. Do we just write that off and those who have paid in for so long get screwed? I don't see that as very fair.

I do appreciate the Libertarian view on free markets, civil liberties, and peace. Sometimes things aren't so black and white though.

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You realize that not raising the debt ceiling lowers our credit rating. Lowering that increases interest on everything... from mortgages, to your car payment, to basically... everything. By not raising it you are essentially increasing taxes on everyone.

Here is something to get everyone riled up... France would have a better credit rating than the US. So would Canada....they are socialist countries by the way... lol

Let's just pay the bill, then figure out how to fix things shall we?

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With out raising the debt celling all of the troops risking their life's wouldn't be getting paid. Its not like they can just stop doing there job.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 29, 2011, 10:14:42 AM
(http://www.uplolit.com/media/201112/3b5cc6b90a00d7e813720a86d938cae1.jpg) (http://www.uplolit.com/view/sarah-palin-fascism-3b5cc6b90a00d7e813720a86d938cae1.html)

Not that I'm any kind of defender of Sarah Palin or anything, but Sinclair Lewis never said this, and he wasn't even born until 1885!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 30, 2011, 11:04:03 AM
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/6/4/7/71647_v1.gif)

(Source:  http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_231_creative-ways-to-teach-children-harsh-life-lessons_p2/ It's the picture labeled "#4.")
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on July 30, 2011, 11:41:27 AM
It's not the operation that's denied it's just the insurance that wont pay for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 30, 2011, 07:03:13 PM
A Christian's attempt at humor.

"I'm pretty surprised they haven't filed a lawsuit against every cemetary known to man. Where do you bury an atheist? Nowhere I don't believe in shovels. A grave mistake indeed. hahaha"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 30, 2011, 07:05:17 PM

Not even 14 seconds in, I find something wrong with it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 30, 2011, 10:46:52 PM
That was complete fail from start to finish!

Why on EARTH does he think I don't believe that quantity will fall below LRAS in a recession???
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 30, 2011, 10:56:32 PM
I had to lol for a minute at one of the comments on that video:

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Shane is just a loud mouth baffon who loves to hear himself talk. Every video he uploads is his personal openion, historical facts, or any other facts means nothing to him. He also has an obsession with Darwinism. If one is nieve enough to add a comment on one of his videos, he first makes the decision if you are a Darwinist or a Creationist, and if his decision is Creatonist he attacks you like a rabid dog. He also has two sock accounts "vspqbd" and virgil0211 are his constant supporters.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on July 30, 2011, 11:26:24 PM
That's our old friend louiethegreater. Sad thing is, two people thumbed-up the comment!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 31, 2011, 08:49:34 AM
What's even worse is this one from post-objectivist and anarcho capitalist, ladyattis:

Quote from: ladyattis
I have to agree. I didn't understand shane's video. It seem to go into some weird assumptions that contradict each other. At least, that's how I saw it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 31, 2011, 08:49:56 AM
I was digging through old threads on a forum I go to when I found this......mess.

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BTW, communism is the highest form of capitalism last time I remembered and if you don't know what capitalism and furthermore Marxism is, I suggest you step back and re-think about what your going to say.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 31, 2011, 08:53:41 AM
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BTW, communism is the highest form of capitalism last time I remembered and if you don't know what capitalism and furthermore Marxism is, I suggest you step back and re-think about what your going to say.

Trollololol!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 31, 2011, 09:05:18 AM
Trollololol!

That was my reaction initially.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 31, 2011, 09:26:27 AM
Every single post made by FSAthe1st in the comment section of this video: 
Make that, every comment not only by him, but also his sockpuppets as well (all of which have probably been deleted, though based on what I was told from Shane, yeah, they were super fails.).
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on July 31, 2011, 09:28:00 AM
Every single comment made by AndroidPolitician in the comment section of this video:

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 31, 2011, 12:34:46 PM
"What does prayer or religion have to do with governance..these people are so retarded and can't do things on their own..its really sad adults have to pray for guidance on any issue when all they have to do is use their rational mind for guidance.."

>implying the government has ever used rationality even without prayer
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on July 31, 2011, 08:31:58 PM
I mentioned this in the podcast thread, but still.

This was a response I got on another forum about the evolution topic. This guy posted a massive wall of fail which Shane debunked most of already in his BBE segment. I called it out for the tripe that it is and even posted all 6 parts to How Evolution is Scientific. He spewed a few things, most of which are completely hilarious.

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why have we all the sudden stopped evolving, I mean history has been going back for thousands of years and not one change since then. I mean sure we've evolved mentally but somewhat none physically...Rest my case

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Its been like 5000 years since history has been recorded

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how long would it freakin take to shed some hair then...fucking monkeys

He posted a bunch of inane nonsense that was thoroughly debunked, but he finally ended up posting this, which is the most hilarious thing I've read in a long time.
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Post the usual garbage that fucking proves the shit!! Dammit I do think your fuckin insane...and dude he walked on water...its history..its documented...its called the bible there in every book store youll ever see in your life
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on July 31, 2011, 09:29:51 PM
On a Doctor Who forum regarding Season 6 so far

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While there's no doubt in my mind that the overall arc in season 6a is too strongly interwoven for anyone to enjoy an isolated episode, the same could not be said of season 5.

Really? The three seconds (give or take) of arc material in Curse of the Black Spot and The Doctor's Wife or the mere minutes of it in the Gangers two-parter (a lot of it right at the very end after the main Gangers plot had already been wrapped up) mean nobody could possibly enjoy these episodes on their own?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 02, 2011, 12:05:08 PM
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No matter what you say or think, God is just. God is the only holy or righteous thing/being in existence. So saying that God is cruel with what little perspective and limited brain power we have is damn ignorant, yet understandable since you are all very self-righteous and full of pathos and ethos.

This is what fundamentalists actually believe.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 02, 2011, 08:03:17 PM
It had some good points but it became way too conspiratorial. It even goes as far as to imply that JFK was assassinated by the Federal Reserve.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 04, 2011, 05:32:06 PM




How could I NOT post these here?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 04, 2011, 05:36:32 PM
How about a blow-by-blow so I don't have to waste 48 minutes of my life watching that drivel?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 04, 2011, 05:43:50 PM
How about a blow-by-blow so I don't have to waste 48 minutes of my life watching that drivel?

I'll see what I can do, but I'm about to get very busy. May be better to ask surhot or LTH for that. :-P
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 06, 2011, 02:55:09 PM
Every single comment without exception from FSAthe1st on this:  http://bogosity.podbean.com/2011/07/17/bogosity-podcast-for-18-july-2011/
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 06, 2011, 03:44:06 PM
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I for once agree need to take out military forces out every country in the middle east . However south Korea needs our presence otherwise north Korea will begin to push a campaign like no other to take over . Also keep a few base on the east side we need to protect our borders but we need to keep our military supply lines for strategic reasons.

Ugh. When will people realize that we have no legitimate business in these countries?

It gets worse:
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As far as war goes it's from my personal view that sure we can border up and leave the rest of the be but there are some wars that we can fight and win namely the war against drugs in mexico, central and south America if we treat it as it is a war . If we really focus we could have end this a long time all it really needs is routine air strikes and raids.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 06, 2011, 09:53:43 PM
A response video to Shane's "What is the Free Market?" video.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 07, 2011, 06:30:37 AM
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okay now i am in my quarters I explain something there is a difference between fighting cartels and fighting "terrorist" (cartels are terrorist).

The problem with legalizing drugs what would stop legal industries seeking those same cartels as suppliers rather than supply themselves cheaper labour means more profits. This is wasn't the case really for alcohol because it much easier to start a brewery than to start up your own fields upon fields .
And i wasn't saying it will stop cartels but it can be controlled you hit their profits such as their fields and so fort constantly they eventually give up .
Middle eastern terrorists have nothing to lose so that fight is a never ending war they are fighting to gain while cartels and drug lords have everything to lose thats the huge difference between the two.

for the record you can't have the whole military standing idle or discharge as you please adjusting to life after seeing so many combat tours is rough. The reason I know this is because this is how I am from time to time which is why i am semi pro war.

STUPID STUPID STUPID!

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 07, 2011, 08:29:37 AM
Wow, that guy sure knows what he's not talking about.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 07, 2011, 07:23:32 PM

Nightmare060 is at it yet again.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 08, 2011, 11:54:12 AM
The conspiracy loons are full force again.

Someone posted this (http://wakeup-world.com/2011/06/06/push_for_lithium_to_be_added_to_our_drinking_water/) on facebook:

“Experts” Push For Lithium To Be Added To Our Drinking Water

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Apparently there are not enough chemicals already added to our drinking water, as there is now a call by “experts” to further poison our water supplies by adding Lithium. Their main reason is to decrease suicide and violent crime rates.

So it this how we wish to function as a society?  Instead of dealing with our issues at hand, let’s drug ourselves so that we don’t have to deal with personal subjects that may be perceived as hard, negative or scary. This is not a time for putting our heads in the sand and pretending or even hoping that an issue will just resolve itself. Where is the personal growth in that? Don’t you feel elated when you resolve a personal issue that no longer hangs over your head or weights on your mind? It is more important than ever to clear ourselves of past issues that we have held onto and allow more room for the new energies coming to earth to take its place within our being.

What is Lithium usually prescribed for?

    * Bi polar disorder
    * Agitation not associated with bipolar disorder
    * Depression and to boost the effect of antidepressants
    * As a mood stabiliser
    * Sever Migraine Headaches


“Much like fluoride, lithium alters the brain’s normal production of serotonin and norepinephrine, which in turn artificially alters the way an individual thinks and how he or she feels about a given situation. Lithium is literally a mind-altering, antidepressant chemical substance that those promoting it openly admit modifies brain function. And yet they purport that forcibly inducing these chemical changes on the unwitting populations of the world is a good and acceptable idea.” Source (http://www.naturalnews.com/032576_lithium_drinking_water.html#ixzz1OSpQrroM)

So what are “experts” saying?

“Lithium has been heralded by some experts as the next potential flouride, after scientists found suicide rates were lower in areas where the drinking water had higher concentrations of the element, reports the Daily Mail” Source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1390732/Adding-Lithium-drinking-water-lower-suicide-rates.html)

“Time to supplement? Some scientists believe lithium could reduce suicide rates if traces were added to drinking water. The study, published in the British Journal of Psychiatry, analysed a sample of 6,460 lithium measurements and then compared suicide rates across 99 districts.” Source (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/new-research-finds-lower-suicide-rates-in-areas-where-drinking-water-has-a-higher-concentration-of-lithium/story-e6frf00i-1226063628178)

If anyone still believes that adding fluoride into our drinking water is a good idea. Please read our article on this subject here.

What are some side effects of Lithium?

    * extreme thirst, urinating more or less than usual;
    * weakness, fever, feeling restless or confused, eye pain and vision problems;
    * restless muscle movements in your eyes, tongue, jaw, or neck;
    * pain, cold feeling, or discolorations in your fingers or toes;
    * feeling light-headed, fainting, slow heart rate;
    * hallucinations, seizure (blackout or convulsions);
    * fever with muscle stiffness, sweating, fast or uneven heartbeats; or
    * early signs of lithium toxicity, such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, drowsiness, muscle weakness, tremor, lack of coordination, blurred vision, or ringing in your ears.


Less serious side effects may include:

    * mild tremor of the hands;
    * weakness, lack of coordination;
    * mild nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, stomach pain or upset;
    * thinning or drying of the hair; or
    * itching skin.


Side Effects Source (http://www.drugs.com/lithium.html)

Adding Lithium appears to be yet another way that our population can be “dumbed down”. Why would governments want to turn our drinking water into a chemical cocktail? Perhaps this way society we will be more malleable and less people will be concerned about what is really going on in this world.

What I want to know is who are these so called "experts" that these nutjobs keep coming up with? They never go out of their way to give any kind of source for who is making these kind of claims and just referring to them as "experts" in quotations. I tend to think that people who give these conspiracy wackos their so called "information" are merely trolls.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 09, 2011, 12:16:00 PM
I have a headache now.

Just got into a debate with my aunt over the debt ceiling. First off, she admits to being a socialist because IT'S DA MORAL THANG TO DO YA KNOW. Ugh, makes me sick to my stomach. I said that socialism is the use of force with the intent to steal. She denied that. I asked her how socialism would work without the use of force and she gave me the half ass answer of "Just make it a law."

/facepalm

She also said some gibberish too about how the debt limit isn't about how much money the government can borrow but about some other bullshit I don't remember. I'll have to ask her again when I see her.* All I remember was it was fucking stupid and she INSISTED I look up the definition of debt ceiling because she honestly believed that it wouldn't say how much money government is allowed to borrow.

Not even 5 seconds later, on google, this came up:

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Web definitions:
* debt limit: the maximum borrowing power of a governmental entity

* A limit, set by Congress, on how much federal debt the U.S. can hold.

* An explicit, legislated limit on the amount of outstanding national debt.

She made the statement that the news media and the government kept using the wrong terminology about what the debt ceiling really is, despite the fact that a basic search on google, and a fully functioning brain, would tell you that the debt ceiling is pretty self explanatory. She also kept saying, "IT ISN'T ABOUT BUDGETING IT IS ABOUT OUR PAST NOT OUR FUTURE!"

*EDIT: I remember now what she said. She said that the debt ceiling is how much of the debt we're going to pay off, and not raising the debt ceiling is telling other countries that we're choosing to default. Fucking retarded indeed.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 10, 2011, 09:42:21 AM
The entire article, no way around it: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/MH11Dg01.html
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 10, 2011, 10:46:53 AM
@Shane:  Christ...I stopped reading after the first sentence.  It sounded like something that belonged on The Onion.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This video:

And most--if not every--comment by Ex_Nihil0 in this thread:  http://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=579
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 10, 2011, 11:19:32 AM
Why is that video a fail? The only part of it I thought was over the top was when he said gays wanted to get married to denigrate religious marriage. Other than that, I thought he had a lot of good points.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 10, 2011, 11:52:21 AM
Why is that video a fail? The only part of it I thought was over the top was when he said gays wanted to get married to denigrate religious marriage. Other than that, I thought he had a lot of good points.

To be fair I was going by this:  http://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=60.msg668#msg668
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 10, 2011, 12:19:01 PM
Whatever happened to FlowCell, anyway?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 10, 2011, 12:27:04 PM
Whatever happened to FlowCell, anyway?

The last I saw, he made a comment on Lord T Hawkeye's latest video where he points out that FSAthe1st banned him from commenting on that video too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 10, 2011, 01:10:14 PM
The last I saw, he made a comment on Lord T Hawkeye's latest video where he points out that FSAthe1st banned him from commenting on that video too.

Why am I not surprised?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 10, 2011, 01:33:15 PM
Maybe we should lock FSAthe1st and Flow Cell in a room together for a few hours for the lulz.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Virgil0211 on August 10, 2011, 04:15:35 PM
Maybe we should lock FSAthe1st and Flow Cell in a room together for a few hours for the lulz.

No, no, no, no... That's completely wrong.

We'll lock them in a small flat wired up with zillions of hidden cameras and microphones, post the highlights reels on youtube, then sell uncut DVDs of the rest.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 10, 2011, 08:19:21 PM
Ugh, unfortunately, tragedies bring about stupidity and anti-fun brigades. A cop is blaming Grand Theft Auto for inspiring the riots.

Source. (http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/game/3295793/london-riots-blamed-on-video-games/)

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"These are bad people who did this. Kids out of control. When I was young it was all Pacman and board games. Now they're playing Grand Theft Auto and want to live it for themselves."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 10, 2011, 09:51:02 PM
Oh wonderful!  As if I needed yet ANOTHER reason to think even less of pigs police officers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 10, 2011, 11:45:47 PM
Oh wonderful!  As if I needed yet ANOTHER reason to think even less of pigs police officers.

Of course. You should know by now that when bad things happen they're ALWAYS going to blame someone or something else, even if it is completely unrelated.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 11, 2011, 10:35:06 AM

This video is kind of a mixed bag. It has some good points like how people have been spoiled by entitlement programs and what not, he also makes a few blunders.

He said something in here along the lines of how apparently gun crime is rampant in Britain, despite how most Brits are proud of their very strict gun control laws. He also said something about how anyone involved with the riots in any way, shape, or form should have their house demolished, and fuck their basic human rights.

EDIT: Apparently he removed the video. Hmm....I wonder if he's going to reupload it or possibly reword it this time. Who knows.

EDIT 2 - Electric Boogaloo: Apparently he reuploaded it....but with crappier audio. Whatever.

EDIT 3: So reading through the comments, I came across this gem of failure.
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I doubt the police would just walk by & put a bullet in him for no reason & completely unprovoked. Besides it doesn't justify what those anarchists are doing, hope they all get lined up against the wall & shot when it is over.
>implying that police don't plant evidence and abuse their power
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2011, 12:59:51 PM
Regarding that quoted gem of fail, also a fail for calling for the anarchists death like that...the police state:  already here.

Also, it seems Pat Condell has really gone downhill in recent years.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 11, 2011, 01:16:12 PM
Regarding that quoted gem of fail, also a fail for calling for the anarchists death like that...the police state:  already here.

Also, it seems Pat Condell has really gone downhill in recent years.

Here's another failure:
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As usual Pat cuts through all the bullshit and speaks to the heart of the problem.

What's needed are a few fatal beatings of these parasites. Then they will learn that society doesn't owe you anything. These dregs of self entitlement.

It's time we did a little culling of the herd.

And now we have socialist douchebaggery:
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Sigh, what a terrible worldview you have, let the poor starve and die instead of providing them with OUR money so that they can eat and survive, that'll solve everything right.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2011, 01:17:57 PM
Yeah...there was so much wrong with that, I wouldn't even know where to begin...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 11, 2011, 01:20:39 PM
Yeah...there was so much wrong with that, I wouldn't even know where to begin...

More socialism douchebaggery!

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I'm Pat I love authoritarianism and Capitalism, and anything that opposes it is wrong. I had a pampered upbringing but I know about everything even though i have never experienced any of it, but because I'm and Ignorant Snob - stop labelling everything that you know nothing about reading a news paper watching the news or reading blogs isn't really going to enlighten you into how these lesser people of society behave and why they do the things they do!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2011, 02:44:57 PM
More socialism douchebaggery!
I was referring to the first one you posted. :P
I didn't see the second one, but yeah, second one (and the latest) is messed up too.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 11, 2011, 02:53:22 PM
I was referring to the first one you posted. :P
I didn't see the second one, but yeah, second one (and the latest) is messed up too.

Oh I know, but yeah, socialist douchebaggery at its finest.

Speaking of douchebaggery, it's time for conspiracy douchebaggery!


DA LUNDUN RYUTZ WUR AN INSYD JAWB!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 11, 2011, 03:18:05 PM
I don't think I want to watch that one at all...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 11, 2011, 03:28:23 PM
Oh I know, but yeah, socialist douchebaggery at its finest.
Cool, just wanted to make sure I was clear. :)

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Speaking of douchebaggery, it's time for conspiracy douchebaggery!


DA LUNDUN RYUTZ WUR AN INSYD JAWB!
(emphasis added by me) probably sums that video up quite nicely.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 11, 2011, 03:29:15 PM
I don't think I want to watch that one at all...

It helps to think of it as a comedy...

(emphasis added by me) probably sums that video up quite nicely.
"There were other reports that men posing as journalists were basically offering money to youths if they too would engage in rioting."
INSYD JAWRB!!!!!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 11, 2011, 06:55:43 PM
Was Pat wrong in saying gun crime is rampant in Britain?

I heard at the very least, because of gun control, now muggers just stab you and take your wallet, leaving you to bleed to death.

And while I do understand the causes of the riots, that in no way changes the fact that those doing it are poisons unto humanity.  I don't care what your upbringing or situation is, the minute you decide violence is a good idea, my sympathy for you shrinks VERY rapidly.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on August 12, 2011, 07:26:46 AM
Personaly I prefer to watch the Nighty News.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Houshalter on August 13, 2011, 01:36:22 PM
Hello, I'm new here. I made this video about a year ago, but I just realized I had it set to private the whole time. I never really finished it, it was supposed to be completely full of fail quotes, but I only put in a few. Some of them aren't actually that bad, but they seem to get progressively worse.
Oh, and make sure you have annotations on.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 13, 2011, 04:05:44 PM
Hello, I'm new here. I made this video about a year ago, but I just realized I had it set to private the whole time. I never really finished it, it was supposed to be completely full of fail quotes, but I only put in a few. Some of them aren't actually that bad, but they seem to get progressively worse.
Oh, and make sure you have annotations on.
Nice soundtrack. :)

Also, long time no see, Houshalter. :P  And welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Rockandrock44 on August 13, 2011, 10:41:07 PM

This whole video, but especially (at 4:10):

"Without government, there is no rule of law. This is a no-brainer. Anyone can thus do anything they like. They can steal off of you, kill you, and rape your family and no one short of a vigilante mob will be able to put a stop to it or retaliate for said actions, because in an anarchy there is no rule of law. Without government, who will build or maintain roads?..."

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 13, 2011, 10:59:36 PM

Dude, you formatted that youtube video wrong.
You only put the part after the "="

It should be:

Code: [Select]
[yt]OsNXNk14w1w[/yt], which yields: 

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 14, 2011, 10:21:15 AM
I really need to get to doing that video on "Everything you fear about statelessness is already here"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 14, 2011, 10:42:22 AM
I really need to get to doing that video on "Everything you fear about statelessness is already here"

I can tell already that'll be a fav quote!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 14, 2011, 12:34:26 PM
"You don't like taxes at all.  Which... means you don[']t like civilization!" --Vogter2100, source is 2:25 of this video:


Incidentally, check out blackacidlizzard's comments to see just how much he loves to play the semantics card.  Something, Shane and I are all too familiar with from said douche-bag.

And, from thunderf00t:  "To be frank, this [JBC's response video] did little more than alert me to the fact that there is a large slice of society--American society, that is: Libertarians/Ron Paul supporters--that seem to be unaware of the fact that were are a social species. "  Source is 1:50 of this video:


And right after that, TF says:  "The benefits of social interactions can only be purchased with the limitations of the individual.", from the same video; also a fail quote.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 14, 2011, 11:52:20 PM
Found these (source included) from Guncriminal's profile page:

"[The Fallacy of the Broken Window is] called a 'fallacy' because it does not align with Austrian assumptions."- Rationalwiki

"[Wealth is] GDP idiot." - AntiSchiff, 2011
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 15, 2011, 08:00:01 AM
You know what pisses me off? I and a lot of other skeptics did a lot of work into the Skeptic Wiki, and now skepticwiki.org redirects to Rational Wiki! And no one has given me an answer as to what the fuck happened! Where's all our pages with all our hard work gone? For example, the moon hoax page we had was comprehensive, well-sourced, and convincing to people; Rational Wiki's is idiotic and nothing but a cheering section that won't convince anyone who's not already a skeptic.

I fucking HATE that place...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 15, 2011, 12:18:16 PM
Posted the war on drugs report from yesterday's podcast on another forum. Got this response:

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Gambling is a far worst addiction than drugs, same result . I am in a country were gambling is legalize right now and i am reading people lose homes n matter of a few days just after bouncing back from debt. Gambling is far from a victimless crime .

I guarantee you legalizing prostitution , gambling and drugs all together will make things just as worst , giving to much credit to the education system as people/young people will know right from wrong.


Also you don't seem to realize that the drug war is slowly but surely spilling in our own home turf. The cartel is growing which is why they want to regulate it.

Also this won't take a billions of dollars to fight hell not even a whole battlegroup.

Mostly Black ops handle these quick in and out with no political restrictions and full force.

Now all of that ^^^^ is what it should be about and should do. However this is more to it than what this report says.

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First of all , I do find this "I don't care what others do to themselves" mentality really sickening , sure its their lives and its the way they want to live it but who do you think take care of them when shiz hit the fan them? no their family , they then become a burden upon others and in some cases the government as criminals during jailtime and court fees. Its a dangerous cycle.
Unless your insinuating the family members and government just be eff these people ?

I may come from a militant family but i tell you this those guys who serve with me are my brothers , and if we take that type of attitude, we all would be dead. What affects one , affects us all its simple as that. if the U.S economy defaulted it would affected the rest of the world as well. Just like leaving and allowing a drug problem to grow it also becomes our problem.

When i hear stop giving foriegn aid and so forth , I know some small countries depends on foriegn investment for their economy and infastructure.

This is not a pro war mentality I am not pro war , I am in surport to get out the middleeast we can't win that war we are fighting a losing battle it's only wasting resources and lifes of American Soldiers .

However like in the other thread like i explain America is the biggest customer to the drug game , sure illegalization what fuels it but legalizing it will not stop it , as i said before captialism will make legalizing do nothing i mean companies would just seek to hire cartels for the cheaper production so it will only increase these cartel businesses , it won't stop the senseless killing they do either.

What needs to be done is guarding our borders with troops and eliminate all close threats.

for the record the trillions spent in these war are for it being prolong for so long. If we fought like the chinese who believe going in with overwhelming force and numbers it would not only be quick it chances are we could have won .

This guy gets worse and worse as he posts:
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you do realize it harder to grow other drugs than it is to run a brewery ?
You do know that by the time they set up a good production field it be more to maintain in the us than where they are naturally found?
That 1930's bullcrap logic doesn't fly here because it not ABC logic its factors between the two and fact is other drugs are way more cheaper to manufacture elsewhere than the U.S with the exception to maybe just maybe marijuana. If you can provide me how easy it would be producing all these drugs in the U.S and how much more profitable said companies will be if done so I will take back my opinion.
But as it is breweries are far easier run.

There are pros and cons to everything and just like the pros to legalization of drugs their are sever cons to it.
I am all in favor to legalize mary jane if i know it will be 100% american grown and manufactured in order for this to happen, coperations would need to invest money and government to implement strict regulation against hiring outside producers.

The drug game itself is violent from the day it was born, it won't change either now.Cartel rise in power and just like  the government , power corrupts. And in Mexico where government officials are in with the cartels legalizing there won't do much either.


btw U.S Military does not capture every cartel member or try avoid minimal casualties, Only people that will possible live to tell the tale is 1-3 top men who will face jail time.

So to sum it up I am in favor of what you said in legalizing drugs if we do it ourselves but knowing how this country operates it won't be done so.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 15, 2011, 07:36:56 PM
The following is the video that Fringeelements parodied; the one I just posted in Fav Quotes: 
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Houshalter on August 15, 2011, 09:11:53 PM
Apparently libertarians are all supposed to live in a cave somewhere and not use any technology, or else we are endorsing "socialism". Its so ridiculous, and yet I know this is what a lot of people seriously think.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 15, 2011, 11:15:11 PM
Saw this failure of a comment on facebook in regards to Whole Foods being so expensive:
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Everybody is just trying to make a buck, if eating healthy was cheaper more people would do it which = less disease which = less money for drug companies. They want us to be sick and eat processed food. Fuck this country.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 16, 2011, 08:26:47 PM
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people seem to apply the 1st amendment very liberally given the context to when it was originally written. You may not like it but cell phone use is a service not a right. More importantly with freedom of speech comes acceptance of the consequences of that speech. You can say "i want to kill the president" but then you cant complain when your sent to jail.
More over since people cannot protest peacefully in the world anymore and their strapping bombs on men,women, and children that can be triggered by cell phone denying/restricting access to a SERVICE is not only lawful but prudent.

There are so many more important "rights" issues worth fighting for privelage use issues like denying cell phone access is is no FucKing big deal. As the article said the world still turned when we didnt have the damned things.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 18, 2011, 11:00:03 AM
Related to the video that surhot just posted over in Fav Quotes by ProfMTH (God appointed Hitler?), I'd like to submit the first half of Romans 13 as a fail quote:

FINALLY found a response to how a libertarian can be a Christian in light of this passage, and yes, it's full of fail: http://libertarianchristians.com/2008/11/28/new-testament-theology-2/

Some real doozies:

"Paul’s primary message for Christians, however, is not that states are specially instituted in the same way as the family and church, but rather that the state is not operating outside of the plans of God. In this sense, the state is divinely instituted in the same way that Satan is divinely instituted." Really? Why isn't God saying to obey Satan in all things then?

"Submission to civil government, then, is always qualified. The command is to obey in general, but sometimes we will disobey public policy because of personal and Scriptural conviction." In other words, obey when you want, don't when you don't feel like it. Come on! Isn't that what people are going to do anyway? If that's the message, then what's the point of even HAVING this passage?

"Verses 2-4 indicate that if you irritate the state then you will face wrath, but if you behave in the way the state wants then they will be pleased. At many points, what the state defines as good and evil may be very much opposed to what God defines as good and evil. But what Paul is telling the believers in Rome is that if they do something that the Roman government defines as evil then they will likely be punished for it." BULLSHIT! Verse 5 SPECIFICALLY says, "Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF CONSCIENCE." However, the author conveniently stops before verse 5, leaving it as the start of his next passage (despite it beginning with the word "therefore") and essentially skipping over it as a result.

Watch him worm around it: "The word 'conscience' in verse 5 should be interpreted in a similar manner as 1 Corinthians 10 (regarding food sacrificed to idols). The believers were concerned that the Roman state would find a legal reason to persecute them." DOUBLE BULLSHIT! Here's the verse again, with different emphasis: "Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE PUNISHMENT but also because of conscience." So, he's effectively re-written the verse to say, "Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of possible punishment."

He continues this motif: "Paul also says to submit to paying taxes for the same reason: avoiding state wrath in order to live for God. One despises paying taxes, but in order to abate the state’s wrath one pays them." But again, we're not JUST talking about "avoiding state wrath"--conscience was SPECIFICALLY given as a reason OTHER THAN state wrath to submit to authority! Here we have someone who wants to deny what the Bible says, and is willing to warp the text any way he can to make it fit what he WANTS it to say, not what it REALLY says. That's both anti-rational AND anti-Christian! How often does THAT happen?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2011, 01:23:14 PM
Here was one fail comment that stood out among many fail comments on a recent Campaign for Liberty post about illegal immigration.

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are you kidding me Ziya? Are you KIDDING ME!? There is no morality for coming here illegally. and to RECEIVE amnesty, you must ASK for it.!

Gah, and here is an argument I used to use when I actually thought illegal immigration was a major problem:
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Imagine Your President Says:
"From now on...when you are asleep..its NOT illegal for strangers to enter your home to eat your food, drink your water, use your bathrooms etc...Its not. Its not harming anyone for them to do this...so its not ...illegal...and if you disagree, I will make sure that the media companies that kiss my ass portray you to be a selfish crazy person for wanting your home to be safe and secure..."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 19, 2011, 02:33:39 PM
Gah, and here is an argument I used to use when I actually thought illegal immigration was a major problem:

So, the idea is, the government owns the entire country and everything--and everyONE--in it?

Maybe the quote should be this: "From now on...when you are asleep..its NOT illegal for the government to enter your home to take your guests, or even your family, just because they weren't born here and didn't fill out the right paperwork...Its not. Its not harming anyone for them to do this...so its not ...illegal...and if you disagree, I will make sure that the media companies that kiss my ass portray you to be a selfish crazy person for wanting your home to be safe and secure..."
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2011, 02:39:25 PM
So, the idea is, the government owns the entire country and everything--and everyONE--in it?

Maybe the quote should be this: "From now on...when you are asleep..its NOT illegal for the government to enter your home to take your guests, or even your family, just because they weren't born here and didn't fill out the right paperwork...Its not. Its not harming anyone for them to do this...so its not ...illegal...and if you disagree, I will make sure that the media companies that kiss my ass portray you to be a selfish crazy person for wanting your home to be safe and secure..."

Believe it or not, I actually found one that was worse...

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I would like to see Obama do what Roosevelt, Truman, and Eisenhower did. Each of those presidents deported many thousands of immigrants, legal and otherwise, in order to provide jobs, especially for returning veterans. Those actions, however, were taken by LEADERS, and we certainly have no reason to think that Obama is one!

Oh this doesn't sound racist at all...
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Before Johnson was president, most manual labor type jobs from custodial, ditch digging, roofing, etc were done by mostly uneducated people, black and white. Since Johnson became president and the Chavez revolt in California most of the jo...bs you will see in fast food restaurant and other manual labor jobs have been taken over by latinos. The blacks and others are now on the public dole in the form of welfare, foodstamps, housing, medical, etc and have been enlaved by the Democrats. Those on the public dole have become the voting base for the Democrats, it the illegal are deported then the jobs held by illegals could then be taken by those on welfare. As long as the status quo is unchanged, the Democrats will do everything possible to stop others from effecting any change.

What....the fuck?!
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there is a large immigration problem. It's not that we have lazy americans, the problem is that many of them would rather be on the public dole than to get a job. Also, employers prefer to hire cheap labor. The government will no...t do much to resolve illegal immigraton because it affects its voting base and they dont want to called racist. Here is the solution - deport illegals, force the people on welfare to take those jobs, this reduces the amount of entitements in this country, this lowers the budget, this lowers the deficit. As for myself, I am unemployed because my employer decided to Outsource to India. So in you above post, I guesss those who have been raped, molested and murdered are not victim due to illegals who have perpertrated those crimes.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2011, 04:14:26 PM
Read this on 420chan's politics board.

Yeah, save your comments on that and focus on this gem of failure.

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I am an anarchist because I believe capitalism is irresponsible in it's consumption of resources. It consumes resources and then uses those resources to develop institutions and establishments of consumption. It allows for accelerated progress in technology at times, but in the wrong directions. Anarchism allows for maximum freedom with minimum exploitation of humans and their environment, not to mention the abolition of the egoism and envy present in capitalist socieites. Anarchism is based on altruism and egalitarianism, and this is why i choose it over capitalism every time.

Back to the illegal immigration debate, I made the comment that I believe government should only be there to stop violence and coercion, and I got this insanely idiotic remark.
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Dave, but in protecting the people from violence and coecion, that could be contruded as interfereing in another persons personal life. If a person, in his own personal life, thrives to go about and commit voloence on other people, the govenment should not interfere.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 19, 2011, 05:50:55 PM
Yeah, save your comments on that and focus on this gem of failure.

I smell a Venus Project nutbar!

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Back to the illegal immigration debate, I made the comment that I believe government should only be there to stop violence and coercion, and I got this insanely idiotic remark.

That's an oldie. LOTS of morons resort to that one.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2011, 06:25:17 PM
I smell a Venus Project nutbar!

Sounds about right:

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The only thing I realize is that that is a pretty common argument, but it's bullshit. As you defined it, capitalism dictates that industry and trade should be owned privately. Maybe i should have made it clear that I exist somewhere on the left side of anarchism, considering it is an extremely broad area of political thought as of late (it's basis is in the left, and it's founding fathers were vehemently opposed to capitalism). The only form of anarchism that requires capitalism is anarcho-capitalism ( I shouldn't have to explain that). My concept of anarchism dictates that the means of production (your industry and trade) are owned collectively by the community, this is the only way to prevent exploitation. The motto of anarchism is "no gods, no masters" and that necessarily means that in an anarchic society there can be NO bosses, NO managers, NO executives besides the common people themselves. The claim that anarchism requires capitalism is common, but often, if not always, without basis in anarchic theory.
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keyword "profit". implies production for exchange. social anarchism emphasises production for use. also, creating a binary between individual ownership and state ownership is plain wrong: prior to the state, ownership was communal

Translation: HUURRR DURRRRR

Here (http://boards.420chan.org/pol/res/202396.php#202727) is the thread in particular if you feel like taking a look at some of these for yourself.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 19, 2011, 06:50:37 PM
Anarchism has founding fathers? How does THAT work?

"My concept of anarchism dictates that the means of production (your industry and trade) are owned collectively by the community, this is the only way to prevent exploitation."

Sorry, no: that IS exploitation! Exploitation is anything that does not allow you to keep the fruits of your own labor.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2011, 07:03:30 PM
Anarchism has founding fathers? How does THAT work?

"My concept of anarchism dictates that the means of production (your industry and trade) are owned collectively by the community, this is the only way to prevent exploitation."

Sorry, no: that IS exploitation! Exploitation is anything that does not allow you to keep the fruits of your own labor.

This guy is off his rocker.

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Occupation placement would be based on enjoyment. Those who enjoy farming would farm, and in producing more food than they themselves need, they would distribute the abundance of food through public storehouses. If no one enjoys farming, than the farming labour is distributed evenly amongst the public, or if technology allows it, performed by automated machinery. What people like you will never understand is that this farmer is producing food for himself and the community because he wants to keep his community alive. Not because he wants to turn a profit, not because he wants to hoard food, but because he has altruistic beliefs, which is the basis of said society.

Nope not at all. If you labour towards the creation of a product, that product is rightfully yours. But in the case of basic resources like food,water, and medicine, to produce an abundance of resources and not distribute that which you do not consume yourself to those who need them in your community would be horrifyingly selfish and inhumane.

I don't. You cannot force someone to live in an anarchic society, it's basis is voluntary cooperation and anarchists (myself included) oppose all forms of authority and coercion. An anarchic revolution would simply be communities with altruistic beliefs beginning to live in the way they want to. As more and more anarchic communities arise, they bind themselves together through federation. Anarchism CANNOT be forced. This is why it will not become viable until people advance intellectually to adopt altruistic and egalitarian beliefs.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 19, 2011, 08:17:46 PM
Anarchism has founding fathers? How does THAT work?

"My concept of anarchism dictates that the means of production (your industry and trade) are owned collectively by the community, this is the only way to prevent exploitation."

Sorry, no: that IS exploitation! Exploitation is anything that does not allow you to keep the fruits of your own labor.

Yeah, that's "anarcho" communists for you...I still have no clue how they plan on such a system without a massive state.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 19, 2011, 08:20:23 PM
For the computer geeks of this forum, this one's for you:  http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/jguhj/whats_the_most_enraging_thing_a_computer/
The full title is:  "What's the most enraging thing a computer illiterate person has said to you when you were just trying to help?"

A sample:  "From my mother:

[']IT'S NOT TURNING ON NOW BECAUSE YOU DOWNLOADED WHATEVER THAT FIREFOX THING IS.[']" -- from the first poster.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 19, 2011, 08:50:59 PM
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Atheists do Believe in something. They Believe Jesus isn't real. Government is not all powerful. If the people disagree with the government then they can overthrow it for a better one. The government's power comes from the People.

/head desk
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 19, 2011, 09:04:56 PM
"It just means we're tough on crime!" -- my dad's response to the USA having more people in the penal system per capita than any other country including China.
Because evidently a murder solve rate of around 12% is being "tough on crime"...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 19, 2011, 09:14:19 PM
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Atheists do Believe in something. They Believe Jesus isn't real. Government is not all powerful. If the people disagree with the government then they can overthrow it for a better one. The government's power comes from the People.

Is that why near everyone in my province is outraged about the HST tax hike and our past and present premiers both have fought us every step of the way and can just override us even if we do jump through every hoop?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 21, 2011, 09:27:48 AM
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"Rick Perry seems to be the only candidate who truly is the anti-Obama."
From ABC's This Week.


Yeah, and we're all creationists and moon hoaxers.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 21, 2011, 01:59:52 PM
A decent video, but loaded with stupid comments. Some of them are the typical mantras we've heard before.


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Long term use of marijuana has potential risks of causing various mental disorders. Yeah we should stop funding programs to combat drugs cos people still end up taking them. People still commit crimes and fires still happen so let's fire all the police officiers and firefighters too in order to save a buck.

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1. if drugs where made legal then eveyone one is gonna take it.

2.the govermet make alot of money Cigarettes

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Problems in the world such as these will never be solved. As long as people continue to spend billions of dollars on absolutely ridiculous things in this country such as sports teams, television shows, movies, and of course the oh-so-familiar "necessities" such as breast implants, botox injections, etc. We will always have the pathetic morons who will continue to protest for the legalization of a bull-shit drug that has no reason to exist, other than to help scum-bags hide from their problems.

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Yeah the drugs only hurt them. WRONG. What about people getting behind the wheel high and killing innocent people? People do stupid things when they are high meaning that they put others at risk even if the drug itself is only harming the taker. Not to mention victims of the illegal drug trade.

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So I guess we should just let everyone do what ever they want. Yeah keep thinking that.

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Marijuana may be harmless, but there;s the chance that someone high can do stupid things (like get behind the wheel ) and hurt someone. I agree, they should go to rehab, instead of prison because it crams the jails.

The video kind of has a fail moment where the guy advocates forced rehab. While that would be better than prison, it still wouldn't solve the problem of people using drugs, and not only that but it advocates the idea that government has any business telling us what is bad and what is good.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: evensgrey on August 22, 2011, 07:07:44 AM
"Subliminal advertising works; it's why the government outlawed it." --Psy, prof, again, providing no sources

I love that.  It demonstrates that he's NEVER researched the basis of subliminal advertising.  The ONLY claimed support for the idea was the "popcorn Study" which claimed that a single frame inserted into a movie that said "Eat popcorn and drink Coca-Cola" substantially increase sales of those items when it was shown.  No other study shows subliminal ads working.

Here's the problem:  There was no such study.  It was invented BY AN AD COMPANY, they were trying to sell the idea of subliminal ads to clients.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 22, 2011, 08:52:38 AM
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People who are treading on Ron Paul have not learned history well enough. With Ron, there are only two scenarios.

Scenario 1 - Ron Paul is not part of NWO.

The super-powerful globalist will not allow Ron to get to power. I would wonder why they would even let him survive till now.

Scenario 2 - Ron Paul is part of NWO.

There will be lot of deception to make you believe that NWO is losing and make you tread on Ron!

This was a comment on that guy's video about the War on Drugs. I didn't realize Ron Paul signed a contract for the defunct WCW.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 22, 2011, 08:26:02 PM

And of course he just commented on my channel calling me "Shane's alt channel".
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 22, 2011, 08:44:14 PM
And of course he just commented on my channel calling me "Shane's alt channel".

You ought to just end that bullshit if you have a microphone by posting a video claiming you aren't his alternate account...then again you probably would have been making videos anyway so who knows.

As I was going through my subscriptions, I remember being subscribed to a youtube ranter by the name of BigAl2k6, so I checked through his archive of videos since he doesn't post new ones anymore and I stumbled upon this bit of stupid from back when Obama won that Nobel Joke...er I mean Peace prize.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 23, 2011, 10:51:52 AM
"Some readers have asked for cites in which I warned early on that the Obama stimulus was too small and would end up being seen as a failure...[citations excised]...I really wish I hadn’t been right." --Paul Krugman

Yeah, and you got sicker because we didn't use enough leeches!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 23, 2011, 03:02:03 PM
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You don't classify Iraq war/Afghan as Obama war its Bush war and always will be a Bush war regardless who took over.

You don't leave dirty dishes for the person taking over your room your subletting and call it his dirty dishes.

The problem with both is there should be a law against where politicians dictate tactics of a military in a war and should be a law where congress and the current administration can use the military as their personal enforces.

You don't land ground troops for an invasion and use light humane tactics its either you go in with full force and get the job done or you don't.

As cruel as it sound but the truth is back in WWII when we drop the Abomb over Japan , we were fed up and we said enough is enough this war ends now and we dropped it. That not only scared the bejesus out the japs but they yeilded.

Carpet bomb a city full of Taleban militia , pull out leaving them with a message that if they attack U.S soil it will be 100 folds worst.

It won't stop terrorism , it might even encourage it more(going to war as it does the same) but it send a clear cut throat message that we will not eff around.

the reason most soilders lose their lives because they know we fight under restraints and they don't

Where do I even begin?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 23, 2011, 10:25:26 PM
Every single comment by C0ct0pusPrime on this video:

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 25, 2011, 08:36:41 PM
This was a comment by a guy on American Atheists Inc. post on National Atheist Party.

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I think thats what libertarians want. Some other intelligent people might point out the fact that socialist countries like Canada,Sweden, and France have been out performing us for the last 25 years and that a flat tax rate isn't gonna build the infrastructure needed to compete with those countries. Other intelligent people would also point out that under the greatest period of America's economy 40's,50's,60's the tax rate was a lot higher and we were more prosperous..some still might argue that was because we invested in a 20th century infrastructure build the highways,hoover dame, universities. Im not saying we go back 40 years ago or we become socialist but Clinton did have a surplus. Do you also want to go back to the gold standard?

Failure. Pure failure.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 25, 2011, 10:13:19 PM
Yeah. What's the unemployment rate in France again?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 25, 2011, 10:22:10 PM
Yeah. What's the unemployment rate in France again?

Yeah, I posted a response to him asking exactly what they were better at. The guy supports Clinton style tax increases and all that shit. Typical bullshit really.

Also, how come my thread says it is pending approval?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 26, 2011, 01:49:57 AM
For the record, Canada was doing badly economically and improved when they actually managed to drag the politicians, kicking and screaming all the way, to actually cut spending.

In areas where things are socialized, it remains deteriorating.  There's a shortage of doctors and the looming retirement of the baby boomers is going to make that worse, far worse.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 26, 2011, 07:34:09 AM
Same guy as before.

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The problem is the issues are so much deeper. We have to have a HOLISTIC approach to things. The cognitive change that needs to happen isn't going to happen tell we have a environmental change. People will listen better to the the argument ...of a atheist when there not worried about stress of there socioeconomic position. Case in point Sweden wish has the largest non-deist population in the world. Now one could argue that the ENVIRONMENT that Sweden has created( a social democracy created by high taxes) also created a cognitive shift because people were living better lifes with full health care and better rights in the work force etc etc etc..... Thats why its better to fight behind concepts like a free energy infrastructure so we stop buying oil from the middle east, vertical farming which allows you to grow food in skyscrapers hydroponically which brings the food back locally to urban areas and cuts down on pesticides because its all grown in doors, we need a Maglev train all across the world which would allow you to go from NY to LA faster than a plane, etc etc etc... You say you want to change this country but all I hear from your kind is glittering generalities. These are all plans Obama has been pushing and what was in the debt deal he laid our but the Yeha! crowd in Congress didn't want it and passed a smaller bill and that's why we got downgraded. Note Frances didn't get downgraded even though they have a high debt per GDP but they have a high tax rate which project them to pay the debts at the end the day we need to go big or go home because China and whole lot of other counties are willing to step to the plate. And the fact is the new emerging technologies will pay for themselves once we build it. Just like roads, power plants, and colleges did for FDR
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 26, 2011, 10:39:36 AM
I replied to that dunce and he had this to say in response:

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The key point in your standard and poor's quote is "higher general government debt trajectory..". Which is the reason why France's rating didn't go down even though they have worst numbers than us. That reason being because the have a more ...fair and balanced approach to there tax rate(which is extremely higher than ours). Im mean look at the difference between rich people here and in France (http://www.economywatch.com/in-the-news/French-Billionaires-Call-For-Higher-Taxes.24-08.htm). Look, people like you will never understand how the economy works because what you don't understand is that it runs on pure abstractions not hard numbers. If we found out that in five years we would be invaded by aliens you would see the greatest build up of infrastructure ever. All our economic worries would be over and we would retool in months. As to health care you are in complete denial if you are saying that the national health care programs aren't better than what we have now. Look at Massachusetts and ever other developed nation in the world. Plain and simple these small minded small government types are not the way to go. I'll take FDR,JFK,Clinton, and OBama over any person you put up.

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fact: France has had the best health care system period.
fact: increasing the power of the government can solve problems. this debt was had out unde Abe Lincoln who was wrong for the right reasons while people in the south were right for the wrong reasons. We clearly see what side of the debt you would've been on back then. And if the problem with social health care is long lines that your just being a little...southern about this

What...the fuck?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 26, 2011, 01:35:24 PM
"So you want to restrict a teacher's God-given right to join a union? Public schools outperform Charter Schools. Unionized teachers outperform ununionized teachers. Look it up, buddy. Pathetic, uninformed, not humorous, video." -- Chrisrokk239, in the comments of this video:  http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=5kxc6kzH-uI
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on August 26, 2011, 06:46:07 PM
Also, how come my thread says it is pending approval?

Seconded.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 26, 2011, 06:54:29 PM
There's a bug where some posts at random are being sent for mod approval. The annoying thing is, there's also a bug where they don't actually get approved when I click "Approve." Took me until today to figure out how to go into the database and change it manually.

PM me if you post something that needs approval.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on August 26, 2011, 11:10:35 PM
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2nk18o1.jpg)

I'll quote what I said to Wraith when he showed me this.

Wraithkun 8:04 pm
(8:04:01 PM):     http://i51.tinypic.com/2nk18o1.jpg
(8:04:04 PM):     Who made this up?
Lord T Hawkeye 8:04 pm
(8:04:33 PM):     an idiot
(8:04:53 PM):     Let's see...All drugs legalized?  Good thing.  You can't treat it as a medical problem by throwing people in jail
(8:05:31 PM):     Second part, taken out of context.  Paul isn't personally a fan of gay marriage but says he'd like to see government out of the whole marriage thing altogether which would make the matter moot
Lord T Hawkeye 8:06 pm
(8:06:20 PM):     not bombing the shit out of anyone who looks at your country funny =/= isolationist.  You're an idiot
(8:06:45 PM):     Failed gold standard?  Then why did Nixon have to forcibly take you off it?
(8:07:23 PM):     Supporting climate change legislation?  Government being a fighter for the environment is the biggest crock I've ever heard
(8:07:44 PM):     last one is just completely pulled out of his ass.  I need a citation for that
Wraithkun 8:08 pm
(8:08:28 PM):     Yup.
(8:08:35 PM):     How has obama saved any money?
(8:08:44 PM):     We're still collapsing, and this guy claims he's saved us?
Lord T Hawkeye 8:08 pm
(8:08:46 PM):     By saving it for himself
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 27, 2011, 10:25:24 AM
This psychotic rambling. (http://www.prisonplanet.com/haarp-hurricane-irene-and-the-dc-earthquake-%E2%80%A6connected.html)

The final paragraph really says all you really need to read:
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In a nutshell, this is the nucleus of the expertise required to control the weather. By pouring measured energy that has been focused into certain parts of the ionosphere, scientists can create all kinds of storms, such as hurricanes, thunderstorms, floods, tornadoes and even drought.  China, Malayasia and Russia all openly admit to weather modification operations, including the creation of pinpoint hurricanes.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 28, 2011, 11:09:50 AM
Everything said by Laughingblades in the comments here: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=uxKjuV_mneg
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 28, 2011, 11:30:34 AM
Everything said by Laughingblades in the comments here: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=uxKjuV_mneg

Yeesh, that was atrocious.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on August 28, 2011, 12:50:40 PM
Market Darwinists? The hell.......
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 28, 2011, 01:27:07 PM
Market Darwinists? The hell.......

I know, right?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 28, 2011, 05:44:44 PM
He's now pretending he doesn't understand how to cut and paste links (replacing "DOT" with ".") and insisting I haven't given my sources. He's also using "autistic" as if it's an insult, revealing himself to be a disgusting bigot as well.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 29, 2011, 02:12:59 PM
This was a question someone submitted to Yahoo Answer (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101117095507AARFQZd)s.

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Exploitation of the working class is how the rich get rich. Capitalism is a system by which those who do virtually no work (the super-rich) live very well by expropriating the wealth created by those who do all of the work (labor) into their own coffers. Class warfare is their motto and their representatives in public office spend the overwhelming majority of their time implementing all aspects of that war. The rich use the power generated by their wealth to pursue policies that rape the earth and the working class. These aspects are all laid out, not just by Marx and Trotsky in more extensive studies, but also by the great Albert Einstein in his essay "Why Socialism" which is avialable to read on the Internet.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 30, 2011, 06:56:22 AM
My uncle responding to this article (http://www.downsizedcfoundation.org/blog/how-warren-buffett-is-wrong).
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These guys need to do more math to also determine what the gap is between these people and the working people did the math for. They do not get that if this continues to happen they will become so low down on the economic ladder that being libertarian will equate to poverty.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 30, 2011, 08:31:13 AM
Why do people think that someone else being richer automatically makes them poorer? I really don't understand this mindset.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 30, 2011, 11:21:28 AM
Why do people think that someone else being richer automatically makes them poorer? I really don't understand this mindset.

Because they don't like people who have more stuff than them and are willing to come up with anything, even the most insanely ass backwards illogical nonsense, to justify taking from them.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Houshalter on August 30, 2011, 04:27:24 PM
Why do people think that someone else being richer automatically makes them poorer? I really don't understand this mindset.

Here (http://lesswrong.com/lw/2gd/fight_zerosum_bias/) is a good article I found awhile ago about that fallacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on August 31, 2011, 08:20:50 AM
Just happened to see this on my profile:

"I noticed that you posted a flood of response comments to older comments late in the conversation, creating a false chronology. Well done. At first I thought maybe you were simply an idiot, but such a deceptive trick as posting a flood of responses to old comments then calling someone a liar for not seeing them requires a manipulative and cunning mind." --Laughingblades

NONE of the posts of his that I responded to were more than 10 hours old. So, apparently, if you do something radical like GO TO BED, then when you get up in the morning you don't get to respond to the many posts of absolute crap your critic has posted over the night.

In fact, I just looked at his home page and found this:

"shanedk
Posts a flood of responses to older comments to create a false chronology, then calls people liars when in fact he's the liar. Also shows a seeming inability to interpret scientific data, and appears to be autistic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTjDLS8kf0A"

The video he linked to is the highlights video for the 8/29 podcast, which is only 2 days old as I write this, and only 1 day old when he posted that comment to my profile!

(Plus, the autistic comment reveals him to be an outright bigot. It's shameful that such people live in our society.)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on August 31, 2011, 05:43:01 PM
Everything said by Laughingblades in the comments here: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=uxKjuV_mneg

You think Laughingblades is bad? Check out TheFrankFactor's comments. Talk about a train wreck.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 01, 2011, 04:14:58 PM
How about, everyone in the comments of my latest video ("Creationists and Population Growth II") who don't realize that the model was SUPPOSED to fail?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 03, 2011, 08:43:39 AM
The comments in this video:

I would copy and paste them here, but I believe this board has too much dignity. Read them for yourselves.

This (http://aol.sportingnews.com/sport/story/2011-09-03/charges-filed-in-attack-on-florida-youth-football-referee) is where I read up on this story. The comments on that page aren't much better.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 03, 2011, 02:31:20 PM
Not sure where else to put this, so I figured I'd put it here:  http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-bizarre-outbursts-by-celebrities-you-thought-were-sane/
Note #4:  Bill Maher.  I guess John Cheese isn't aware of him being an anti-vaxxer and AIDS denialist.  And don't even get me started on the guy's politics...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 03, 2011, 03:07:07 PM
Not sure where else to put this, so I figured I'd put it here:  http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-bizarre-outbursts-by-celebrities-you-thought-were-sane/
Note #4:  Bill Maher.  I guess John Cheese isn't aware of him being an anti-vaxxer and AIDS denialist.  And don't even get me started on the guy's politics...

I knew he was an anti-vaxxer and an all around asshole, but I never heard his AIDS denial. Got anything on that? Just more ammunition for me as far as I see it.

I will say this though about the Bill Maher part of that article, I think Cheese is completely denying a double standard here. While it isn't as bad as Maher says it is, we've seen that a double standard does exist. Just look at the incident with that guy getting his penis chopped off. Those women from that television show The Talk thought it was hilarious and a "you go girl" moment. Where were they in this count down? Of all the shit Bill Maher does, this is probably the least egregious.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 03, 2011, 03:29:55 PM
I knew he was an anti-vaxxer and an all around asshole, but I never heard his AIDS denial. Got anything on that? Just more ammunition for me as far as I see it.


I might have been wrong.  It may have been Germ Theory Denialism.  In which case, my bad.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 03, 2011, 03:32:50 PM
Of course, if you're a germ theory denialist, doesn't that kind of automatically make you an AIDS denialist?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 03, 2011, 04:54:56 PM
Of course, if you're a germ theory denialist, doesn't that kind of automatically make you an AIDS denialist?

Point taken.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: kiri2tsubasa on September 03, 2011, 07:27:41 PM
Assuming I'm remembering it right (that and I am enjoying Domino's Pizza have imbibed on a few glasses from a 64oz growler from OPAOPA Brewery (if you live in western Mass I highly recommend them), this is at home so no worry of me driving) I was having a conversation with my friend earlier today about the free DLC (Downloadable Content) for Warhammer 40,000 Space Marine Co-op.  He was complaining about how this was DLC when the interview stated that there would be Co-op.  It went something like this.  For this I will call him Titus.

Kiri2tsubasa:  Space Marine comes out in a few days, glad I paid off for all three games* I have pre-ordered for the Midnight release on Monday night.

Titus:  They removed the Co-op from Space Marine and now it is DLC.  If I could have I would have canceled my pre-order.  Shame Steam saved it.

Kiri: I am aware of that, but it is free.

Titus:  It is the principle of the things.

Kiri:  Let's just say for the sake of argument that some problem occurred with the development for the co-op.  At least they can bring the game out on its appointed release date instead of delaying it for a month.  With the digital distributions set up we have with this generation of consoles, and by extension PC's (he pre-ordered this for the PC, me 360 and PS3**) they can give us the game we pre-order and give us the co-op experience for FREE in early October.

Titus:  I don't care, they are nickel and dimming us.

Kiri:  It will be provided for free for us.  If anything they are paying the cost for the XBLA, PSN, and Steam network to provide us with free content.

At this point he pretty much left.  Not sure if it counts but he was so frigging adamant about Relic doing something wrong here.  I don't know maybe I am too much of a Warhammer 40,000 fan and missed what they did wrong.

* Space Marine, Disgaea 4, Dead Island.
**  What happened was that I originally pre-ordered this fr the 360, then after lurking on various gaming forums I learned that their is a collectors edition form the THQ website so I pre-ordered the collectors edition from THQ, I then changed my pre-order at GameStop over from 360 to PS3.  I pre-ordered Space Marine from Steam and got Darksiders as a gift.  Good game, though I prefer it on my 360.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 03, 2011, 10:49:17 PM
Of course, if you're a germ theory denialist, doesn't that kind of automatically make you an AIDS denialist?

I thought that might be the case, but I didn't want to jump the gun.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 03, 2011, 11:33:50 PM
(http://d.facdn.net/art/karno/1315076655.karno_thebigtable.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 04, 2011, 07:24:08 AM
I wonder what that guy thinks of all the money that's snatched up in taxes?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 04, 2011, 08:31:25 AM
I...this...I guess that means I'm a sex offender then.
Thanks Tom Nook.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 04, 2011, 08:39:57 AM
I...this...I guess that means I'm a sex offender then.
Thanks Tom Nook.

Wow....just...wow.

As someone who owns a PS3 and has played games online, I find that younger kids who play end up saying more offensive things than any adults I've ever played with.

Speaking of video game related nonsense, fringeelements uploaded this on his alternate channel NotRyanFaulk. Now, this could all be a video that's meant to be humorous, but in case, I'm tossing this here for trying to ruin an amazing game for me....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Gumba Masta on September 04, 2011, 08:44:11 AM
fringeelements and humor? Now there a combination of words I'd never thought to see in that context.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 04, 2011, 08:49:30 AM
fringeelements and humor? Now there a combination of words I'd never thought to see in that context.

I know...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 04, 2011, 10:33:52 AM
Every single comment on this video:
by xexixk and MaryJo1950 without exception.  I won't insult anyone's intelligence by posting the actual comments here.  Click on the video, and get ready to vomit at the sheer stupidity of these neo-fascist dickheads.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 04, 2011, 01:59:57 PM
Source (http://atheists.org/blog/2011/09/04/millions-of-taxpayer-dollars-used-to-convert-soldiers-and-their-children-to-christianity)

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In a time when national debt is relatively common discussion, it seems that unconstitutional spending of hundreds of millions of dollars would be a natural choice for the chopping block. Instead, my educational opportunities (eArmyU), yearly salary increase for inflation (lowest in 50 years), retirement benefits (pensions for 20+ year veterans are now considered ‘on the table’ to be cut), are already in place or soon to be.

You know, I'm getting really sick of these hypocrites. They have a fit when there is unconstitutional spending on religion, but when there is unconstitutional spending on government programs and handouts they are all for it.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 05, 2011, 02:09:23 PM
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 05, 2011, 06:39:38 PM

Yeah...I could only stomach about 5 minutes of that crap.

I haven't watched this one, nor do I expect anyone here to sit through an hour long video, but just from the title alone, you know it can't be a win.

For starters, murder, by definition, is an immoral or wrong killing.  So the title is a fail already.  Finally, even if he was referring to say self defense, as Shane eloquently spelled out in this video: 
  It wouldn't be "OK" much less "moral" as it was a necessity.
And let's not even get into the fact that being taught "criminal justice" by a state funded institution and dynasty that is piss horrible and even by title doesn't even consider the damn victim at all, is completely laughable.  Like being taught biology by Kent Hovind.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 05, 2011, 06:44:58 PM
I'd also like to point out that I'm not giving Harvard the benefit of the doubt, given their less than stellar record on statism.  Case in point:  http://mises.org/daily/3379
I even once read (can't remember from where) that Harvard prohibited students from sharing their course notes with people outside the university on IP grounds.  Take a moment to absorb that.  Meanwhile, the folks at MIT were having their classes lectures (and even sample tests) online on their website for free before it even became a thing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 05, 2011, 07:27:08 PM
Yeah...I could only stomach about 5 minutes of that crap.

Same here.

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I haven't watched this one, nor do I expect anyone here to sit through an hour long video, but just from the title alone, you know it can't be a win.

I skimmed through the first 15 minutes, and it was all the 5 guys on the train tracks thing. I have no idea where he was going with it because I'd rather listen to the London Trash Can Lid Ensemble playing the Atonata for Squealing Cats in R Flat Minor than listen to that guy lecture anymore...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 05, 2011, 10:02:46 PM
From Bill Maher's Twitter

"Worth remembering on Labor Day Americans get fewer vacation days than anyone else in the world -cuz its better 2b miserable than socialists!"
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 05, 2011, 11:19:38 PM
From Bill Maher's Twitter

"Worth remembering on Labor Day Americans get fewer vacation days than anyone else in the world -cuz its better 2b miserable than socialists!"

isn't he just a right genius? ::)

ugh....


anyways: check this one out:

(finally got it!)

I could go on for years explaining how wrong this video is. I in fact am considering nominating him for a possible "idiot extraordinaire" candidacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 06, 2011, 06:45:08 AM
anyways: check this one out:

(finally got it!)

I could go on for years explaining how wrong this video is. I in fact am considering nominating him for a possible "idiot extraordinaire" candidacy.

Wow, his comments are complete fail, too!
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 06, 2011, 11:38:47 AM
Professional wrestler Ezekiel Jackson has been posting nonsense on Twitter this morning.

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God only gives three answers to prayer: 1. 'Yes!' 2. 'Not yet.' 3. 'I have something better in mind.
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Becoming a Christian doesn't mean you lost your cool. It means you lost your foolishness.

He should stick to wrestling....
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 06, 2011, 12:50:44 PM
From Bill Maher's Twitter

"Worth remembering on Labor Day Americans get fewer vacation days than anyone else in the world -cuz its better 2b miserable than socialists!"

Funny, those guys in the bread line never look all that happy to me...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 06, 2011, 01:54:29 PM
He should stick to wrestling....

all the choke holds must be getting to him, if he's flat out evangelizing.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 06, 2011, 02:03:16 PM
all the choke holds must be getting to him, if he's flat out evangelizing.

(http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/e/ezekieljackson/08.jpg)

Either that or all them muscles are clogging up the space where his brain is supposed to be.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 06, 2011, 03:02:45 PM
Maybe the fail should go to you guys for taking anything a pro wrestler says seriously to begin with...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 06, 2011, 03:19:45 PM
Maybe the fail should go to you guys for taking anything a pro wrestler says seriously to begin with...

Really? I figured fail quotes are fail quotes regardless of who says them or what profession they have. I didn't realize there was some sort of criteria in regards to what profession they have. That would be like me saying that nearly everyone on this forum should consider fail going to them because they talk about youtube comments. I'm not trying to instigate anything, but I think it is rather silly to claim that we are "failing" because we're talking about a legitimate fail quote made by someone just because of their profession.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 06, 2011, 04:04:56 PM
OK, good point. But it does seem a bit like going to the special class to find dumb opinions.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 06, 2011, 04:16:41 PM
OK, good point. But it does seem a bit like going to the special class to find dumb opinions.

Fair enough I suppose.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 06, 2011, 05:49:32 PM

I like Ron and everything, but this campaign ad is terrible.

His add is basically, "Look at me, I hung out with Ronald Regan, oh and Rick Perry was buddies with Al Gore so he's a meanie head"

It also gives the same failed impression Republicans usually give that Regan was this pinnacle of libertarian views when we know that his presidency was anything but. All around, very sloppy, but I suppose it serves the purpose of getting votes, I still think it is a failure if we're going with sheer legitimacy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 06, 2011, 05:59:43 PM
Maybe the fail should go to you guys for taking anything a pro wrestler says seriously to begin with...

I don't. doesn't mean I can't take potshots at him. :shrug:

it's not like he has any "excuse" for evangelizing, like Kirk Cameron does. it's annoying when I get all these self-righteous family members (Christian or otherwise) of mine-don't need some random guy doing it.

@ D: just saw that a few minutes ago. I'm pretty annoyed at it too. not so much the Reagan association (annoying as it is), but the attack ad within-at least it feels that way. I dunno, Mr. Perry's a dumb- :-X and a murderer, but just reviewing his positions should be sufficient, not just pointing out his association with Al Gore. That means nothing, and may even backfire, since some people are still ignorant enough to think Gore is worth a crap.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 06, 2011, 07:07:27 PM
He's not looking to get the votes of liberals, libertarians, or independents at this time, remember. He's going for the Republican nomination and needs to appeal to its conservative base.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 06, 2011, 07:23:31 PM
It does still leave a bad taste in the mouth.  That kind of "Gotta be a devil to fight a devil" thing which is a very dangerous road to go down.

Tis why I say Ron Paul's integrity is wasted on politics.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 06, 2011, 09:25:52 PM
Ron Paul got as far as he had because of showing what was behind the curtain, but now it looks like he is making his own wizard with this ad. As others have said, trying to associate himself with Reagan promotes an already false idea Reagan was libertarian.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 06, 2011, 09:42:11 PM
Christ, as if I needed yet another reason to be convinced that political action cannot work.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 07, 2011, 10:55:18 AM
Facebook friend in red, me in blue:

Funny that Ron is so "offended" by a lie that abortions are taxpayer funded but I haven't heard him upset by the FACT that atheist's tax monies are going to churches due to Faith-based Initiatives started by Bush and continued by Oblahblah. Ever heard of separation of church and state, Paul? That should be simple stuff, even for you.

Geez, is it too much to ask for people to actually READ what Ron Paul has said about faith-based initiatives before posting screeds like this? On June 13, 2001, Ron Paul stood up in Congress and told them NOT to fund faith-based initiatives. He said the same thing again in an article posted to RonPaul.com on February 19, 2009. Procon.org lists Paul under "Should federal funds be given to faith-based (religious) organizations and initiatives?" as Con.

Ron Paul IS against taxpayer-funding of faith-based initiatives and has said so clearly. Knock off the dogmatism, people!

2001? That's a long time ago. I want to know what he says NOW, he should be OUTRAGED. I'm not buying it, Shane. Not one bit. (1 person liked that)

I guess you missed the reference from 2009? VERY selective there.

Yeah, I don't like his reasoning at all. He's upset that religious orgs. can't discriminate anymore when they get funding. "With the stroke of a pen, religious charities might not be able to take into consideration a job applicant’s faith, sexual orientation or lifestyle if they wish to remain eligible for that taxpayer money that was so enticing a few years ago. Similarly, if FOCA (Freedom of Choice Act) is passed, will Catholic Church hospitals be forced to offer abortion services to retain their federal funding? Can they remain solvent without it? "

(Notice that we've just jumped from "He's in favor of it" to "I don't like his reasoning for being against it" without ANY kind of retraction.)

2009 also isn't 2011 BTW

Nice quote-mining. He also said: "Money is the Trojan horse that government uses to infiltrate and infect organizations. Funding that, on the outset, is designed to strengthen and support, will bureaucratize and regulate in the end. It is sad to see charities now having reason to focus on lobbying, regulatory compliance and paper pushing to get and retain money taken by force, rather than beefing up private, voluntary fundraising activities."

And what, he's just supposed to re-state his long-held positions on everything every few months just to satisfy you? Come on! How are you in ANY way being rational here?

Shane, go try your bull on other people, not my wall. You're not going to get anywhere with your "Ron Paul is great" nonsense here. We see right through him and his son.

(Note: I haven't once said "Ron Paul is great" here. I've pointed out--with evidence--that she was wrong when she said Paul supports taxpayer funding of faith-based initiatives.)

Also: "If religious organizations receive taxpayer monies, they will have an incentive to make obedience to the dictates of federal bureaucrats their number-one priority...people who currently voluntarily support religious organizations will assume they 'gave at the (tax) office' and thus will reduce their level of private giving. Thus, religious charities will become increasingly dependent on federal funds for support."

What, me using actual quotes and going with what he actually said is bull, and you ascribing positions to him he did not take (taxpayer funding of faith-based initiatives) without even CHECKING isn't???

Once again, we see people who skeptical in many other matters turning it all off when it comes to politics.

I posted a quote of his, too. You called it quote "mining", remember? LOL If he was so upset about taxpayer funded faith-based initiatives he'd be TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW. He's not.

Yes, we certainly do Shane.

He's spoken against it in Congress every time it's come up, and voted against it. What more do you want him to do? Why should he REPEAT a LONG-HELD position RIGHT NOW just because you want him to?

Ummm....maybe because it's important?

At this point, the only thing I know to do is drop the subject.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 07, 2011, 11:06:57 AM
Yeesh, that was almost painful to read. James Randi is right when he says that they don't just want what they believe to be true, they need it to be true and any counter argument is treated as a personal attack because they feel legitimately threatened when you provide counter evidence for their claims.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 07, 2011, 11:13:50 AM
Okay, so I did come up with one more response:

Really? It's important? So, $140 million in faith-based initiatives is more important than TRILLIONS spent on foreign wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lybia, as well as keeping a military presence in well over 100 countries, costing American lives and spawning anti-American sentiments that terrorists can use to recruit?

$140 million in faith-based initiatives is more important than tens of billions spent on a failed War on Drugs that ultimately funds terrorism, increases border crime, as well as domestic crime--especially in inner cities, and results in the United States having the largest per capita prison population in the world?

$140 million in faith-based initiatives is more important than an out-of-control monetary policy which impoverishes the poor and middle class to enrich cronies and threaten the financial solvency of the US as well as the stability of the dollar?

Interesting priorities you have there...
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 07, 2011, 11:37:00 AM
Okay, so I did come up with one more response:

Really? It's important? So, $140 million in faith-based initiatives is more important than TRILLIONS spent on foreign wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lybia, as well as keeping a military presence in well over 100 countries, costing American lives and spawning anti-American sentiments that terrorists can use to recruit?

$140 million in faith-based initiatives is more important than tens of billions spent on a failed War on Drugs that ultimately funds terrorism, increases border crime, as well as domestic crime--especially in inner cities, and results in the United States having the largest per capita prison population in the world?

$140 million in faith-based initiatives is more important than an out-of-control monetary policy which impoverishes the poor and middle class to enrich cronies and threaten the financial solvency of the US as well as the stability of the dollar?

Interesting priorities you have there...

Sounds like typical statheism to me.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 07, 2011, 03:19:51 PM

Ugh, when he isn't spouting stupid internet memes he's spewing the flawed, not based in reality, assumption that taxing the rich will save the universe from bankruptcy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Lord T Hawkeye on September 07, 2011, 08:26:43 PM
It's like that old fable where the two bears keep complaining that the other's piece of cheese is bigger so the fox would take a bite of each in turn until they both wind up with none.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Ibrahim90 on September 07, 2011, 09:16:24 PM
well, here's one silly comment from YT: it was under one of my subscription's (representativepress) vids regarding 9/11:

Quote from:  a baby
"always liked most of your videos but your views on 9/11 are just ridiculous.I will unsubscribe.This video and all your 9/11 stuff makes you sound like a complete idiot.You cherrypick and ignore hundreds of anomolies and then have some emotional hate of people who want to ask questions. You do realize that history is full of proven false flag events previously labelled as conspiracies?? Pathetic and disappointing.Since you never bring up Mossad's involvement, you must be a shill. BYE!!!!"

another one, but by another user:
Quote from:  some other user
"WHY DID THE PENTHOUSE ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING FALL FIRST THEN??????????????????????????­??????????????????????????????­??????????????????????????? HOW DID ALL THE CORE COLUMNS FAIL ALL AT ONCE SO THE BUILDING WOULD FALL IN ON ITSELF????PLEASE ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, CAUSE THAT BUILDING WAS TAKEN OUT WITH EXPLOSIVES OR ADVANCED WEAPONRY."

and the list goes on. to quote Shane himself: "some people just want to shift the blame away from those 19 mass-murdering scumbags".

agree or not with Tom Murphy (the owner of that channel), you have to give him credit: he goes through a lot of comments like this, while trying to show the facts about 9/11.

and for the record, the video:

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 08, 2011, 08:59:54 AM
John Bradshaw Layfield, former pro wrestler, now writes for Fox Business.

You want to talk about failure....wow.

Quote
What's wrong with calling Social Security a ponzi scheme? It is, imo. We rely on a pyramid scheme to pay for it. It has helped eradicate poverty among elderly-acknowledging it is a ponzi scheme doesn't mean it doesn't do something good. It needs reform to continue to exist and arguing about what it is currently or should be called takes away from efforts to reform it.

He also got a facebook comment claiming that it isn't a Ponzi scheme and the person posted this diagram.
(https://motherjones.com/files/images/venn-diagram-social-security-ponzi-scheme-630.png)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 08, 2011, 09:08:44 AM
Regarding LPF chair's fight against Real ID, I'm in blue, he's in red

So the government requiring practically your whole life's story just to get a driver's license isn't a search by the government?

Being able to drive a car is not a requirement. So in the end getting a drivers license is voluntary, as is forgegoing a drivers license for a state ID.

In the end though, if you want to use certain services, both private and public, one requirement is to show ID. If you dont have the ID, there is nothing wrong with that, but just like any business, they dont have to help / sell you anything if you dont have it.

Secondly, when you get your DL / State ID, you are consenting to have personal information placed into a database (DMV/DOR/etc). As said before, you arent required ot have an ID or DL. Just dont expect businesses to make an exception.
And an unreasonable one at that?
Since its voluntary, its not unreasonable, and the courts have upheld that.
And what do you mean by the 4th amendment applies to government and not the individual?
A civilian who decides to walk into their neighbors house and look around for drugs / illegal items violated the law, specifically (if the homeowner is not home) Burglary in the 2nd (in my state) and if the homeowner is home its 1st degree.

If a police officer does the exact same thing, not only are we technically burglarizing the property, we are also violating his civil rights, specifically the 4th amendment. LEO either needs a warrant, consent or exigent circumstances.

Your neighbor who searched doesnt require a warrant since he is not acting under color of law.

This is why I said the guy does not understand how the 4th amendment applies to his case.

Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: MrBogosity on September 08, 2011, 09:09:40 AM
JohN Bradshaw Layfield, former pro wrestler, now writes for Fox Business.

You want to talk about failure....wow.

Wait, so if we want to reform it, we shouldn't talk about what it currently is? How can you reform something if you don't know what it is?
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: FSBlueApocalypse on September 08, 2011, 09:13:12 AM
Last post got cut off


If showing ID is practically mandatory in this country, than how is it in any way voluntary. I have to show ID to get on a plane? Oh I could drive, so its voluntary. Oh wait, I still need to do that to get a driver's license. Oh wait, I could still walk from Florida to New York, so its voluntary.

What's that, I'm going to need a credit card and ID to try and get a hotel room? Oh I guess I could just sleep out in a ditch or something, but then I'll get busted for vagrancy.
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: AnCap Dave on September 08, 2011, 04:18:18 PM

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d168/IronFury51488/1266290552391.jpg)
Title: Re: Fail Quotes
Post by: Travis Retriever on September 08, 2011, 07:14:49 PM