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The Podcast / Re: Podcast for 20 May 2018
« Last post by evensgrey on Today at 01:07:43 PM »
At least the guy in Springfield didn't end up going through what Guy Paul Morin did here in Canada between 1985 and 1995.  He spent those years fighting to clear his name (including a year and a half spent in the general population in a maximum security prison) from charges he had raped and murdered a nine year old neighbor because...the police thought it was 'weird' that he did things that included playing the clarinet.  And saxophone.  And having been a good student.  And had a steady (if slightly unusual) job in a furniture factory.

One good thing that came out of his was the group that formed to try and get his wrongful conviction reversed turned into The Association In Defense Of The Wrongfully Convicted, which has helped numerous wrongfully convicted persons clear themselves.  There was also an inquiry, which came out with over a hundred recommendations for how to avoid repetitions.
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The Podcast / Podcast for 20 May 2018
« Last post by MrBogosity on May 20, 2018, 06:00:00 PM »


Co-Host: Charles Thomas

News of the Bogus:
13:35 - Biggest Bogon Emitter: UK police https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/police-threaten-to-arrest-facebook-users-after-tiny-drugs-bust-mocked-a3836296.html
20:50 - Idiot Extraordinaire: Equifax (again!) https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/05/another-credit-freeze-target-nctue-com/

This Week's Quote: “There is something about the state putting the power to bully into the hands of subnormal, sadistic apes that makes my blood boil.” —Gore Vidal

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The Podcast / Re: Podcast for 13 May 2018
« Last post by evensgrey on May 15, 2018, 10:53:38 PM »
All that does is increase the chances of a false positive. With the tiny amount of true positives they have, they'll waste FAR more resources checking out the dead ends. And again, we have no way of knowing the rate of false negatives.

From a Bayesian standpoint, being pegged by this system means you're more likely to be an innocent than someone they're looking for. The more hay you add, the more hay gets detected as needles, even if you do manage to put the odd needle in while you're doing it.

Actually, assuming those 19 million are actually people they're looking for, at that level the odds are swinging back in favor of real detections.  That slice ALONE is about 30% of the UK's population.  Once you're looking for everyone, there's no such thing as a false positive.  Of course, it also means you don't get to follow up on anything, either.
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The Podcast / Re: Podcast for 13 May 2018
« Last post by MrBogosity on May 15, 2018, 01:29:52 PM »
I think you're haystack analogy doesn't quite work like that.  The UK police are trying to find specific needles in a needlestack.  Given that they are planning on putting 19 million MORE faces into the database to be looked for, they will have a substantial percentage of the population of the UK in the system.

All that does is increase the chances of a false positive. With the tiny amount of true positives they have, they'll waste FAR more resources checking out the dead ends. And again, we have no way of knowing the rate of false negatives.

From a Bayesian standpoint, being pegged by this system means you're more likely to be an innocent than someone they're looking for. The more hay you add, the more hay gets detected as needles, even if you do manage to put the odd needle in while you're doing it.
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The Podcast / Re: Podcast for 13 May 2018
« Last post by Altimadark on May 14, 2018, 02:59:46 PM »
I was thinking the hay in this context would be the additional false positives each wanted face would produce.
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The Podcast / Re: Podcast for 13 May 2018
« Last post by evensgrey on May 14, 2018, 01:09:27 PM »
I think you're haystack analogy doesn't quite work like that.  The UK police are trying to find specific needles in a needlestack.  Given that they are planning on putting 19 million MORE faces into the database to be looked for, they will have a substantial percentage of the population of the UK in the system.  Given the vagaries of appearance and recognition, there are bound to be several people whom human strangers would be hard pressed to quickly differentiate between given photo references (and we're pretty good at telling each other apart, certainly better than most image recognition systems are going to be), never mind if the computers can tell them apart by whatever criteria they're using.
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The Podcast / Podcast for 13 May 2018
« Last post by MrBogosity on May 13, 2018, 06:01:03 PM »


News of the Bogus:
14:08 - Biggest Bogon Emitter: Amazon https://signal.org/blog/looking-back-on-the-front/

19:40 - Idiot Extraordinare: Illinois police http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/if-illinois-legalizes-marijuana-what-happens-to-pot-sniffing-dogs/article_6d67b6d3-cc27-5053-ba8c-eb641611c28b.html

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The Podcast / Podcast for 6 May 2018
« Last post by MrBogosity on May 06, 2018, 06:00:01 PM »


Co-Host: Chris Hangartner

News of the Bogus:
18:35 - Biggest Bogon Emitter: The CDC https://reason.com/blog/2018/04/20/cdc-provides-more-evidence-that-plenty-o
25:35 - Silver Cluon Winner: Royal Nonesuch http://tribunistdaily.com/man-makes-pipe-guns-from-scrap-sells-them-to-gun-buyback-program-for-300/
28:05 - Idiot Extraordinaire: Drug Warriors http://reason.com/blog/2018/04/19/as-opioid-prescriptions-fall-opioid-deat
This Week's Quote: "People go funny in the head when talking about politics...When, today, you get into an argument about whether 'we' ought to raise the minimum wage, you're executing adaptations for an ancestral environment where being on the wrong side of the argument could get you killed." —Eliezer Yudkowsky

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General Discussion / Sargon needs some help
« Last post by evensgrey on May 04, 2018, 04:54:35 PM »
Sargon miscalculated a bit financially with all his recent travels (apparently his travel was paid for by someone else, but not all the sundries that go along with travel) and he's not got the money to continue defending the law suit.  Here's his gofundme for it:

https://www.gofundme.com/sargon-of-akkad-legal-fund

He's doing extremely well on this, he asked for £40,000 and has well over £50,000 in 9 hours as of this writing, so he should be fine for now, but some extra cushion in these things is never a bad thing.
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General Discussion / Re: Fav quotes
« Last post by evensgrey on May 02, 2018, 04:36:16 PM »
A most excellent speech by Sargon yesterday:


It is interesting that I can hardly tell the difference between the messages Sargon and Stephan are putting out these days.
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